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Home Theater => Displays => Flat Panels => Topic started by: comitatus on Apr 24, 2009 at 12:39 AM
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i saw this model in the u.s and per my hubby's incessant request i took a very good look at the g10.
i may not be as acurrate as my hubs (carlo777) but here is my 1st take on a plasma i know a lot of us have been waiting for. the model i saw is a u.s version and sana naman they don't undercut the specs so it remains faithful to what it really is. lucky for me i still remember how our cool plasma models look so i could vivdly remember how they compare.
picture quality for bluray and dvd:
maganda po siya and colors are more vivid than the pv80 and the py800, it has deeper blacks that reminded me of the basic pioneer kuro model i saw at sights and sounds months back. ewan ko why motion is a big deal for you guys but when i was forced to watch transformers just to check for blurs wala naman akong nakita. plasma has been known for a softer picture definition but the G10 seems to be more aggressive without being too overpowering like a glaring lcd. sa dvd with an oppo player (can't remember model) it drove sd closer to hd better than anything i've come across in comparison to older panny models. the only unit that beats it is the higher kuro's but since wala na po yun and mahal. pwedeng pwede na po ito.
for ps3:
may game mode siya! yehey! the game mode is not only a very good pre-set picture mode that attempts to give plasma that much needed digital look. it is also an enhancement that is suppose to lessen input response time. but i did'nt really see the actual need for this, kasi the recent plasma models from pv70 to py800 never had input response time probs naman.
Image retention:
good news! halos wala! the pv80, py800 and pv70 had these issues na kahit temporary-it was still there. The G10 with it's orbiter ba yun? or whatever you call it fixes the retention issue to a point na you can really see that burn-in along with image retantion is truly a thing of the past.
Green phosphor lag:
this is what disappointed my hubby but good for me! meron pa din even with the neo-pdp panel, quick first person pans of games like resistance gave off the green ghosts. if this bothered you before then it will still bother you now. Buti lalang kasi kung wala my hubby would have asked me to haul this thing back to the philippines=)
Will we buy it despite having a py800?
the general idea is that we will ;D think of a more aggressive pv80/800 with deeper blacks, full hd, and with better image retention management. sorry for the very newbie review tis the best i can do with my limited knowledge.
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thanks for this. my tito is eyeing for this model din..
would you know if this one has the intelligent frame creation feature as with the py800? have you noticed the same movements with this unit?
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Excellent a husband - wife review team :). You guys should do a He says - She says thing....
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Hi Madame Comitatus,
I'm just wondering, whenever you and hubby Carlo777 watch somethin, do you watch separately on different TVs or do you watch on different TVs side by side? ;D. My wife and I could possibly do the 1st option but at least one has got to wear headphones sa liit ng bahay. ;D
Kindly keep the reviews and impressions coming. No fin please. Thanks.
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I see... husband and wife team pala, parang Brad and Angelina :D ... comitatus conjugatus pala ... :D
Thanks for the excellent review, madam comitatus! That's not a newbie review at all. It's obvious that you already know what to look for in a TV's image.
I've read many reviews from sir carlo. They're very useful, and use a simple but clear format. It's good that you followed the format.
Please maintain the review style. I like it. It's a pleasure to read your styles, since the too-techie stuff can get a bit annoying after a while.
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thank you much much!
please don't call me madame i'm only 24, unless you guys are teeners lang ;)
Hi Madame Comitatus,
I'm just wondering, whenever you and hubby Carlo777 watch somethin, do you watch separately on different TVs or do you watch on different TVs side by side? ;D. My wife and I could possibly do the 1st option but at least one has got to wear headphones sa liit ng bahay. ;D
Kindly keep the reviews and impressions coming. No fin please. Thanks.
yeah we watch separately, not because our tastes are miles apart it's just that it takes carlo 1 week to watch a movie. sometimes nga i ask him are you watching the movie or are you watching the t.v again? :)
I see... husband and wife team pala, parang Brad and Angelina :D ... comitatus conjugatus pala ... :D
Thanks for the excellent review, madam comitatus! That's not a newbie review at all. It's obvious that you already know what to look for in a TV's image.
I've read many reviews from sir carlo. They're very useful, and use a simple but clear format. It's good that you followed the format.
Please maintain the review style. I like it. It's a pleasure to read your styles, since the too-techie stuff can get a bit annoying after a while.
thanks! there won't be any team effort muna kasi mukhang nagsawa bigla si carlo, are you guys really quick on dropping things? at the very least he is starting to treat our tv's like tv's and not some strange artifact uncovered from egypt :D
Excellent a husband - wife review team :). You guys should do a He says - She says thing....
wag hehehe baka magaway kami he has soooo much faith in LCD^^^
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madam, how much is the g10 50" in the US?
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madam, how much is the g10 50" in the US?
Not sure about the 50 inches but the 42 inches go for like 1200 to 1300 usd.
thanks for this. my tito is eyeing for this model din..
would you know if this one has the intelligent frame creation feature as with the py800? have you noticed the same movements with this unit?
Yes it still has that feature=)
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.. are you guys really quick on dropping things? at the very least he is starting to treat our tv's like tv's and not some strange artifact uncovered from egypt :D
Ok yun, sister. Kung nagsawa sa tech aspect, that's normal. He might focus on the movie itself rather than the monitor's performance; or, like many of our members here, move on to other hobbies.
Kung tuloy-tuloy ang obsession sa tech aspect ng monitors, medyo delikado nga yun ... he might be better off spending money on therapy rather than on another new TV ... :D
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please don't call me madame i'm only 24, unless you guys are teeners lang ;)
thanks! there won't be any team effort muna kasi mukhang nagsawa bigla si carlo, are you guys really quick on dropping things? at the very least he is starting to treat our tv's like tv's and not some strange artifact uncovered from egypt :D
Opo Ms. Comitatus. :)
"Mukhang" nagsawa bigla si Carlo because he bought too many too fast. I remember in the late 90s until 2004 when I reviewed almost every new release of video camcorders especially those only available in Tokyo. Tagal ko nagsawa because despite the large number of models I played with sa stores, I only bought a cam every 3 years. hehehe...always looking for the gem model ika nga.
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Ok yun, sister. Kung nagsawa sa tech aspect, that's normal. He might focus on the movie itself rather than the monitor's performance; or, like many of our members here, move on to other hobbies.
Kung tuloy-tuloy ang obsession sa tech aspect ng monitors, medyo delikado nga yun ... he might be better off spending money on therapy rather than on another new TV ... :D
Oo nga! but this hobby went by pretty quick, mamaya or tom i may write down the 50S1 naman just to give an alternative. by the way, you're the super techie daw when it comes to t.v...did ya need therapy afterwards? j/k lang ha^^^
Opo Ms. Comitatus. :)
"Mukhang" nagsawa bigla si Carlo because he bought too many too fast. I remember in the late 90s until 2004 when I reviewed almost every new release of video camcorders especially those only available in Tokyo. Tagal ko nagsawa because despite the large number of models I played with sa stores, I only bought a cam every 3 years. hehehe...always looking for the gem model ika nga.
too many and too fast yes i agree, never thought anyone could be so obsessed with a t.v! you're from tokyo? i'm half japanese po sir but see see marunong po ako mag tagalog. did you find the gem already? i thought we were able to hit gem world with the py800 but it does not seem that way.
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too many and too fast yes i agree, never thought anyone could be so obsessed with a t.v! you're from tokyo? i'm half japanese po sir but see see marunong po ako mag tagalog. did you find the gem already? i thought we were able to hit gem world with the py800 but it does not seem that way.
Konnichiwa Comitatus Fujin.
Considering my budget and other priorities, I've been quite pleased with my purchases so far. I am the type who appreciates every little technical improvement - collecting technical catalogues and product brochures was my hobby - hahaha - but I only buy when it's time to upgrade. I can see the improvements on these Neo PDP models but my current PZ800, though not perfect, should be fine for at least 4-5 generations - unless it conks out prematurely - and unless something with much higher resolution than 1080p is commercially developed soon.
Besides, if you've been reading this forum for quite some time now, you'd know that my current high def fascination is more like brilliant zirconia instead of diamonds - they shine like real gems on any Plasma, LCD or HD CRT. :)
Hope you dont get tired posting your impressions. Give us the beef. Thanks.
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Is the G10 the new models of Panasonic that will be replacing the 2008 models?
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Konnichiwa Comitatus Fujin.
Considering my budget and other priorities, I've been quite pleased with my purchases so far. I am the type who appreciates every little technical improvement - collecting technical catalogues and product brochures was my hobby - hahaha - but I only buy when it's time to upgrade. I can see the improvements on these Neo PDP models but my current PZ800, though not perfect, should be fine for at least 4-5 generations - unless it conks out prematurely - and unless something with much higher resolution than 1080p is commercially developed soon.
Besides, if you've been reading this forum for quite some time now, you'd know that my current high def fascination is more like brilliant zirconia instead of diamonds - they shine like real gems on any Plasma, LCD or HD CRT. :)
Hope you dont get tired posting your impressions. Give us the beef. Thanks.
Wokie!
Wait a sec...are you the guy who got my hopes up by offering us a sony hd crt? hehehe sayang! :D
Is the G10 the new models of Panasonic that will be replacing the 2008 models?
yes it's the new 2000 model that i think will replace the older pv8 pv80 and the py800+ lines. yun lang baka very expensive pa siya when they do come out.
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thanks.........sister ??? ::) ;D
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thanks.........sister ??? ::) ;D
maybe this will be priced here mga 70k (42 inches) for starters, sana mas mababa but wishful thinking.
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Hello, this is a very good preview of the upcoming 2009 models from Panasonic. I'm shocked that you are also a competent reviewer like carlo. ;)
You are more on the lighter side but also full of good information. New models are also coming around. We are equally excited to bring the asian version of this model and other 2009 Panasonic models soon! :D
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maybe this will be priced here mga 70k (42 inches) for starters, sana mas mababa but wishful thinking.
abang abang tayo sa mga reliable sellers dito sa pdvd such as ser vic ;)
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Nice review ma'am.. :)
Tempting! Kaya lang medyo mataas malamang intro price nito dito sa atin. Wait ko na lang price drop nito a year after... ;D
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typical specs of a neo-pdp
2,000,000 to 1 dynamic contrast ratio
40,000 to 1 native contrast ratio
600hz sub field drive
typical specs of the G11 panels pv8/pv80/py800
1,000,000 to 1 dynamic contrast ratio
15,000 to 1 native contrast ratio (30,000 to 1 for py800)
400hz sub field drive (480hz for py800)
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Nice review ma'am.. :)
Tempting! Kaya lang medyo mataas malamang intro price nito dito sa atin. Wait ko na lang price drop nito a year after... ;D
ma'am naman ngayon :D
sana naman the price talaga is not that high but usually po ba how much do these units cost when they are released?
Hello, this is a very good preview of the upcoming 2009 models from Panasonic. I'm shocked that you are also a competent reviewer like carlo. ;)
You are more on the lighter side but also full of good information. New models are also coming around. We are equally excited to bring the asian version of this model and other 2009 Panasonic models soon! :D
thanks vic!
abang abang tayo sa mga reliable sellers dito sa pdvd such as ser vic ;)
sana our sellers could give us a release date :)
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Wait a sec...are you the guy who got my hopes up by offering us a sony hd crt? hehehe sayang! :D
Yes, and my wife apologizes for bringing down that hope. :) I thought Carlo could get an HD CRT from Vic?
Pricing:
The current prices of NEO PDPs are just about the same (actually a little bit less) as that of series 800 when they were first released, with the exception of the 1-inch model - that is not surprising of course.
Then the X series which is the upgrade to the PV80 - ganon din ang pricing.
Hence, as in the usual case for electronics, it pays to wait a while because prices can only go down and not up.
Still bummed to find out that when Panasonic described their previous full HD 1080p Plasmas as having "greater than 900 lines of horizontal resolution", they actually meant it was less than 1080. >:( Now these new NEO PDPs are being marketed as having some kind of "true" 1080 horizontal lines of resolution. Oh well.. Ganda no. ;D -
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ma'am naman ngayon :D
pero mas surprising for me yung sister ??? ::) ;D
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Thanks to tita comitatus for generating interest in this model.
I tried searching for other comments on standard DVD performance. This review agrees with comitatus' observation regarding SD DVD:
"SD (standard definition) reproduction is one of the G10 series’ strengths. It beats the vast majority of TVs on the market. The picture is beautiful, crisp and very natural. I saw minimal noise in the picture."
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1237901339
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Thanks to tita comitatus for generating interest in this model.
I tried searching for other comments on standard DVD performance. This review agrees with comitatus' observation regarding SD DVD:
"SD (standard definition) reproduction is one of the G10 series’ strengths. It beats the vast majority of TVs on the market. The picture is beautiful, crisp and very natural. I saw minimal noise in the picture."
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1237901339
thank you, wow "tita" parang im so matured already ;D
about the dvd performance, yup it was really nice, crisp and clean in a way that does not take away the flim look of the material.
pero mas surprising for me yung sister ??? ::) ;D
and ano po dapat? ;)
Yes, and my wife apologizes for bringing down that hope. :) I thought Carlo could get an HD CRT from Vic?
Pricing:
The current prices of NEO PDPs are just about the same (actually a little bit less) as that of series 800 when they were first released, with the exception of the 1-inch model - that is not surprising of course.
Then the X series which is the upgrade to the PV80 - ganon din ang pricing.
Hence, as in the usual case for electronics, it pays to wait a while because prices can only go down and not up.
Still bummed to find out that when Panasonic described their previous full HD 1080p Plasmas as having "greater than 900 lines of horizontal resolution", they actually meant it was less than 1080. >:( Now these new NEO PDPs are being marketed as having some kind of "true" 1080 horizontal lines of resolution. Oh well.. Ganda no. ;D -
apology not accepted ayoko ng nabibitin=) joke lang ha :)
nway, is panasonic trying to say na hindi true hd yung mga py800? :'( confused now ???
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Panasonic TX-P42G10 Review
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p42g10-tx-p42g10b-20090415146.htm
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Panasonic TX-P42G10 Review
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p42g10-tx-p42g10b-20090415146.htm
:)
thanks for the link! so far medyo tama naman observation ko kahit papano :) any take kaya on the asian version? like i said sana they keep the specs.
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nway, is panasonic trying to say na hindi true hd yung mga py800? :'( confused now ???
No, I'm just being overly critical of motion resolution. If a maker designates a certain flat panel as full HD one, they refer to the static resolution. Hence your PY800 should have 1920x1080 pixel matrix which is indeed full HD (based on current standards) - but that resolution can hardly be maintained on moving images, especially very fast moving ones - resulting in blur.
Before this year, I think HDTVs have motion resolutions ranging from 600 to "over" 900. The higher the motion resolution, the better the TV handles "motion" - which is what a movie or TV show or home video is all about. Kaya our PY800 having "over 900 motion resolution" is in fact "top class", while entry level Pany's with "over 720 motion resolution" are seemingly "sufficient". However, I don't think any standard has been established on how to measure motion resolution. Just have to trust what the makers claim on paper but it is quite obvious that Panasonic Plasma's handle motion blurrying pretty well.
Now these NEO-PDP are being claimed by Panasonic to have finally reached 1080 motion resolution. Isn't that great? It's as if Panasonic's NEO PDP can capture each video frame at full HD and stitch all of them so smoothly, thus maintaining 1080 horizontal resolution all throughout the playback - kinda similar to what a super high speed camera does. But would we actually notice that difference between the 800 series and the NEO PDP? - that's why we are lucky to have someone like Carlo and you to possibly verify...hehehe
BTW, I'm not really sure if my understanding of motion resolution is accurate so any correction would be highly appreciated. :)
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thank you, wow "tita" parang im so matured already ;D
and ano po dapat? ;)
pwede po bang dear nalang para universal (i.e. dear comitatus, dear carlo) ;D
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pwede po bang dear nalang para universal (i.e. dear comitatus, dear carlo) ;D
awww masyado naman sweet yan but sure dear is ok also! wag lang madame :D
No, I'm just being overly critical of motion resolution. If a maker designates a certain flat panel as full HD one, they refer to the static resolution. Hence your PY800 should have 1920x1080 pixel matrix which is indeed full HD (based on current standards) - but that resolution can hardly be maintained on moving images, especially very fast moving ones - resulting in blur.
Before this year, I think HDTVs have motion resolutions ranging from 600 to "over" 900. The higher the motion resolution, the better the TV handles "motion" - which is what a movie or TV show or home video is all about. Kaya our PY800 having "over 900 motion resolution" is in fact "top class", while entry level Pany's with "over 720 motion resolution" are seemingly "sufficient". However, I don't think any standard has been established on how to measure motion resolution. Just have to trust what the makers claim on paper but it is quite obvious that Panasonic Plasma's handle motion blurrying pretty well.
Now these NEO-PDP are being claimed by Panasonic to have finally reached 1080 motion resolution. Isn't that great? It's as if Panasonic's NEO PDP can capture each video frame at full HD and stitch all of them so smoothly, thus maintaining 1080 horizontal resolution all throughout the playback - kinda similar to what a super high speed camera does. But would we actually notice that difference between the 800 series and the NEO PDP? - that's why we are lucky to have someone like Carlo and you to possibly verify...hehehe
BTW, I'm not really sure if my understanding of motion resolution is accurate so any correction would be highly appreciated. :)
hala panic mode kami dito, all the more reason daw sabi ni carlo to get the new pdp models.
@guys
dami ko pm's about this t.v, di po ako expert you may want to ask carlo777, e-reply, nemesis, barrister or Clondalkin ;) i'll still do my best to answer them kahit papano.
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Wag sa akin!
EDTV lang po ang plasma ko. Most often used TV ko ay 14" CRT! :'(
Nakiki-chismis lang ako sa thread na to e :D
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Wag sa akin!
EDTV lang po ang plasma ko. Most often used TV ko ay 14" CRT! :'(
Nakiki-chismis lang ako sa thread na to e :D
Wuuuushuuuu! ikaw pa?
more observations...
sa blu-ray you're hard pressed to see a huge as in huge leap sa pq, sa dvd you'll get to really appreciate the upgrade.
i also saw the new lcd's so i think mas maganda to post that mamaya!
a little off-topic...since, may green ghostnig pa din yung neo-pdp i think the ghosting has nothing to do with specs like full hd, 600hz drive or drives, or even the motion resolutions. is it because of the gas? they say only a few can actually see it, but here in the house even my maid na naka eye glases can readily see it! carlo hates me for showing him the "ghost" ika nga once you see it you'll always see it.
no issue naman sa akin kasi for me there is really nothing better than plasma for a flat panel pag pq ang usapan. personal opinion lang ha ;)
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i also saw the new lcd's so i think mas maganda to post that mamaya!
can't wait! :D ;D
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a little off-topic...since, may green ghostnig pa din yung neo-pdp i think the ghosting has nothing to do with specs like full hd, 600hz drive or drives, or even the motion resolutions. is it because of the gas?
No, it's not the gas. It's the phosphors.
Plasma cells have red, green and blue phosphor coatings. There is a slight difference in each phosphor's excitation/decay times. Blue is the fastest, and green is the slowest.
(http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/image/phosphor/phosphor.gif)
The higher speed of blue phosphors causes blue fringing in front of a moving object; the slower speed of green causes green fringing behind it.
Blue fringing is not a problem. In fact, I have never heard of anyone who has ever seen blue fringing on a plasma display.
However, some people with more sensitive eyes are able to see the green trails, especially on fast-moving areas with high contrast.
The only way to remedy the problem is for the manufacturers to develop a new, faster green phosphor. I haven't heard of any such plans from the manufacturers, so I'm not optimistic that this problem will see a solution anytime soon.
no issue naman sa akin kasi for me there is really nothing better than plasma for a flat panel pag pq ang usapan. personal opinion lang ha ;)
That's right. It's really a matter of personal preference.
There is no such thing as a perfect TV --- they all have issues. All we can do is find out what those issues are, and then decide whether or not we are willing to live with those flaws.
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No, it's not the gas. It's the phosphors.
Plasma cells have red, green and blue phosphor coatings. There is a slight difference in each phosphor's excitation/decay times. Blue is the fastest, and green is the slowest.
(http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/image/phosphor/phosphor.gif)
The higher speed of blue phosphors causes blue fringing in front of a moving object; the slower speed of green causes green fringing behind it.
Blue fringing is not a problem. In fact, I have never heard of anyone who has ever seen blue fringing on a plasma display.
However, some people with more sensitive eyes are able to see the green trails, especially on fast-moving areas with high contrast.
The only way to remedy the problem is for the manufacturers to develop a new, faster green phosphor. I haven't heard of any such plans from the manufacturers, so I'm not optimistic that this problem will see a solution anytime soon.
That's right. It's really a matter of personal preference.
There is no such thing as a perfect TV --- they all have issues. All we can do is find out what those issues are, and then decide whether or not we are willing to live with those flaws.
thanks for the information, so the way it goes i think this particular issue will always be there^ will you buy this plasma or would you stick with the 2007/8 models? as if wala ka pa ;)
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can't wait! :D ;D
well here it is! let's start with the basic and in a way - cheap Panasonic TC-L32X1, a 720p native lcd. mura lang po siya becuase it retails for about 570-600usd so nasa 27k to 30k.
dvd and blu-ray:
i was "forced" to bring a few test materials para naman to check out these new models from panasonic. when i popped star wars on dvd and looked for uneven lighting, i saw that it was more than just passable. meron pa din clouding but not the type naman that would be too obvious. picture definition for dvd seems to fall short for me lalo na when you consider other brands like Sony. it's not that it was bad but color reproduction for dvd was not as vibrant as i hoped it would be. maybe na sanay lang ako with higher end lcds like the Sony X and the Samsung A650. sa blu-ray naman it performed well with minimal motion blur, great color tones and very acceptable black levels. clean din ang picture def niya for blu-ray lalo na when you get to check chapter 35 ng kingdom of heaven! sa lx80 it was peppered with picture noise, for this unit you'd be very nosy and maarte kung papansinin mo pa yun^(hehehe)
Viewing angles naman are really solid and one of the best i've seen on an lcd.
ps3:
these new models have a "game mode" to reduce input lag, again i did not see the need for it... kasi naman the older models did not really have an issue with this. kaya for me, parang picture setting lang siya. if there was a substantial increase in performance sa input lag, i did not feel or notice it. baka naman naive lang ako, anyway panasonic claims to reduce input lag with "game mode" on, so i'll just let my mind feel what my ultra gaming reflexes could not :D
other stuff:
it has an ipod dock! eh? cool feature that you may want to use? 3x hdmi inputs and 1080p capable naman daw (sorry was not able to verify that).
more on this tomorrow plus the full high def - Panasonic TC-L37S1!
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just read the reviews this morning. this plasma looks promising indeed! ;)
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just read the reviews this morning. this plasma looks promising indeed! ;)
Neo-pdp is really promising, over-all, it's an excellent plasma. it does advance in some areas, yet falls short on others...
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Neo-pdp is really promising, over-all, it's an excellent plasma. it does advance in some areas, yet falls short on others...
yeah and by the time theyve perfected this technology .. it should be priced under 10k for a 42" ;D
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yeah and by the time theyve perfected this technology .. it should be priced under 10k for a 42 ;D
hehehe that would be nice :D
just to answer some pm's i got about the neo-pdp and will post it here lalang para people could see them. iwas ulit tanong ;)
the questions re-phrased to a sinlge question...
1. should i get a new pdp model if i have a pv70/pv8/pv80 already?
the following reasons for one to get a neo-pdp, if you already have a pv70/pv8/pv80 would be...
-a better dvd performance
-slightly stronger color, this may work for some while others are even turned-off by this - specially when it comes to the neo-pdp's strong definition of "green". others say it's better, while yung iba naman say it's oversaturated na it leans towards blue. note po that the pv8/80 along with the 70 does not have this "issue"
-if you want a full hd panel, mas litaw yung details.
-higher contrast that gives you deeper blacks, if you've seen a basic kuro like the 8Xg, then this is as close as you can get to it, less the price factor syempre.
-virtually no i.r's!
the arrival of the neo-pdp brings something fresh to the scene but the advantages for me, are really brought into play when you are so nitty about details. kung hindi naman then the best "thing or things" these new models bring are the much lower prices of the already very very good pv8 and pv80 (sama na din natin yung pv70).
ciao now ;)
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what's the difference of the G10 Panasonic Plasmas and the Panasonic 42PX10 that Nemesis91 is selling?
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=80265.1320
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what's the difference of the G10 Panasonic Plasmas and the Panasonic 42PX10 that Nemesis91 is selling?
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=80265.1320
the px10 is the 720p hd ready version of the G10 (which is a 1080p full hd model).
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the px10 is the 720p hd ready version of the G10 (which is a 1080p full hd model).
i see. ma'm thanks po for the information. :)
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i see. ma'm thanks po for the information. :)
the direct equivalent to the local px10 is the Panasonic P42X1 which is also a 720p model. i wrote down a few notes about that model and will post it here mamaya=)
skip the "ma'am" pls ;)
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skip the "ma'am" pls ;)
will do. sorry. ;D
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1. should i get a new pdp model if i have a pv70/pv8/pv80 already?
Some people might be thinking that the upgrade to the PV70/PV8/PV80 is a Neo PDP model. That is not the case. Neo PDPs are upgrades to the PZ80/PY800/PZ800/PZ850/PZ900 series. These are all full HD model plasmas.
The upgrade to the PV8/PV80 is the X series; basically the same specs but with improved contrast ratio - not Neo PDP tech though.
To answer the question, why not if you really need a full HD plasma. Otherwise, might be rather early to upgrade.
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Thank's for the review Yuri ;)
Anyway, I will place an order for a 2009 1080p Neo-Pdp solely on two factors Yuriko (comitatus) mentioned:
1) The Kuro like performance
And
2) The clear absence of even temporary I.R's (Still need to re-check this)
Too bad it still has the green phosphor lag but it's something I can live with already.
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Some people might be thinking that the upgrade to the PV70/PV8/PV80 is a Neo PDP model. That is not the case. Neo PDPs are upgrades to the PZ80/PY800/PZ800/PZ850/PZ900 series. These are all full HD model plasmas.
The upgrade to the PV8/PV80 is the X series; basically the same specs but with improved contrast ratio - not Neo PDP tech though.
To answer the question, why not if you really need a full HD plasma. Otherwise, might be rather early to upgrade.
Yep!
Thank's for the review Yuri ;)
Anyway, I will place an order for a 2009 1080p Neo-Pdp solely on two factors Yuriko (comitatus) mentioned:
1) The Kuro like performance
And
2) The clear absence of even temporary I.R's (Still need to re-check this)
Too bad it still has the green phosphor lag but it's something I can live with already.
Talaga? ;)
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any news on the local availability of the G10's?
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If you're planning to buy your first flat TV, will you get a 42PY800 or 42X10 at this point in time?
or will a PV80 be already okay?
for cable tv..dvd..and bluray, in the future maybe...
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AVAILABLE NOW!
Panasonic 42X10 at cash P67K.
Prices sent are for reference only. Pls call or visit our shop to inquire for lower prices. :D
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AVAILABLE NOW!
Panasonic 42X10 at cash P67K.
Prices are for reference only. Pls call or visit our shop to inquire for lower prices. :D
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AVAILABLE NOW!
Panasonic 42X10 at cash P67K.
Prices sent are for reference only. Pls call or visit our shop to inquire for lower prices. :D
uy ma-audition nga this weekend :)
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uy ma-audition nga this weekend :)
Yes, take a look at this TV and post your impressions here.
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We have an impression for the X10 already, but I'll have to ask my wife to do it. She was the one who saw the line-ups in the states and the new local version.
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We have an impression for the X10 already, but I'll have to ask my wife to do it. She was the one who saw the line-ups in the states and the new local version.
Yep! So eto na po yung 42PX10. (Saw at Sights and Sounds)
Dvd/Blu-Ray:
We tested the dvd performance of the x10 with the "Lord of the Rings: Two Towers", while watching "the battle of helm's deep", we saw the picture as well defined with very good blacks. This was something naman we expected, so natural lang talaga for a Panny plasma to deliver more than "just good" dvd performance. For Blu-ray, we played an HD sampler and watched clear and vivid "aquarium" demo's using the X10's 720p resolution.
PS3:
Very good input response time, again this was never an issue with plasma's so having this kind of performance does not shock us one bit. Game defenition remains tops but still falls short of a Samsung A650 in-terms of sharp details and crispy renditions of digital images.
Our take:
Though the X10 represents a new "era" of 720p plasma's, it did not really give us that "drool! We want this tv badly" feeling. Make no mistakes, this is still a very good plasma, but since we have a PV70//80 and an 800 already we did not witness any substantial "leaps" over what we already have. Siguro, if you plan to buy your very first 720p pdp then this will be a very good model to start with. As of now, this is the definitive 720p plasma, if you do not factor the price.
Pro's
+Very good dvd performance
+Deep Blacks, good color tones
+Near perfect viewing angles
+Great input response time
+Cool design (For me :))
Con's
-Green Phosphor lag is still there to some extent
-Fuzzy detail compared to FULL HD units like the Sammy A650 or a Panny 800 when it comes to "game picture" defenition
-Bad looking design (For Carlo777 :D)
For those who would ask me kung malaki ba ang difference ng X10 sa PV80, in-truth meron naman talaga but like what my hubby would say "Is the difference in price proportionate to the difference in quality?" So given that a PV80 is around 45k now and the X10 is worth 65k, the question now would be: Is the X10 twenty thousand pesos better than a PV80? We leave that answer to you guys ;)
Bring on the full hd neo-pdp^^^
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Good review, Comitatus. Your sound advise really helps members in their decision to buy the very best TV for their money.
I gave Carlo and his partner a lot of credit for tackling a potentially daunting subject with such intelligence and passion.
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Great review, as usual!
Thanks very much, it discussed the things I wanted to know.
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great review comitatus, actual pics nalang kumpleto na :)
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Just to further the comments made by Yuri (comitatus), the X10 presents a refinement over the previous models. However, these refinements are not enough to tide me over and to pluck down that extra 20k. If you can still get a PV8/PV80 or a PY800 from Theatreworks or Sights and Sounds then by all means don't think twice and get them already. As of now, they are the true bang for your buck plasma's...
The X10 will become sweeter as soon as the price goes down or when the 2008 plasma's are no longer available.
I'll wait for the Full HD Neo-PDP's and will skip the X10 out in the meantime.
Again let me say that the X10 is a very good plasma model, it's just that the PV8 and the PV80's are so "sexily" priced now.
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Good review, Comitatus. Your sound advise really helps members in their decision to buy the very best TV for their money.
I gave Carlo and his partner a lot of credit for tackling a potentially daunting subject with such intelligence and passion.
Thanks Vic!
Great review, as usual!
Thanks very much, it discussed the things I wanted to know.
Glad you liked it po! Will ya buy a new plasma na? ;)
great review comitatus, actual pics nalang kumpleto na :)
Maybe next time may pic na^
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is it advisable ba to get pv80 now?
or wait for the new model?
how much kaya for the rate for 50" neo pdp?
or should i stick with 50pv80?
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Perhaps the sellers here could possible source the PZ80 = PY800. That is the outgoing model with the sweetest price in Tokyo at the moment. And it's full HD.
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is it advisable ba to get pv80 now?
or wait for the new model?
how much kaya for the rate for 50" neo pdp?
or should i stick with 50pv80?
Between the 42x10 and a 50PV80 and even a 50PV70, I'll go for the older models. No doubts and no regrets, if ever. I'm still waiting for the "local" version of the G10, which is a FULL HD panel with (according to what my wife saw) "Kuro" like picture performance.
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Between the 42x10 and a 50PV80 and even a 50PV70, I'll go for the older models. No doubts and no regrets, if ever. I'm still waiting for the "local" version of the G10, which is a FULL HD panel with (according to what my wife saw) "Kuro" like picture performance.
Sorry,, newbie here.. what is a "kuro" like performance.. ive been hearing a lot of this.. insights pls.. one cant know everything hehehe
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Sorry,, newbie here.. what is a "kuro" like performance.. ive been hearing a lot of this.. insights pls.. one cant know everything hehehe
welcome to pdvd brother. Pioneer Kuro has set the bar so high that even "close to" or "kuro like" description to a new panel makes us so curious and want to see it.
check this out bro: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=920011
the first time i saw a Kuro sa SnS may biglang tumawag sakin " sir, naiwan nyo po yung lower jaw nyo". ;D
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I still find the Kuro "cleaner" compared to the latest Neo-PDPs. Mapapaupo ka sa display area ng Pioneer sa ganda ng PQ ng Kuro. Kung Panasonic, ok lang nakatayo and palakad lakad. Para ngang may tendency na grainy ang Panasonic ;D
Pero Panasonic ang binili ko kase di ko ma-afford ang Kuro. No problem at all. ;)
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although not really an apples to apples comparision...
what about 42x10 vs 42LZ80...pricewise full HD LZ wins at 45k...
which one would you choose?
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although not really an apples to apples comparision...
what about 42x10 vs 42LZ80...pricewise full HD LZ wins at 45k...
which one would you choose?
Compared both and I liked the px10 better. Better color, contrast and response time. That's why I only carry the 42px10. For LCD I prefer Samsung. :)
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I still find the Kuro "cleaner" compared to the latest Neo-PDPs. Mapapaupo ka sa display area ng Pioneer sa ganda ng PQ ng Kuro. Kung Panasonic, ok lang nakatayo and palakad lakad. Para ngang may tendency na grainy ang Panasonic ;D
Pero Panasonic ang binili ko kase di ko ma-afford ang Kuro. No problem at all. ;)
Mag kuro naman tayo sir^
although not really an apples to apples comparision...
what about 42x10 vs 42LZ80...pricewise full HD LZ wins at 45k...
which one would you choose?
Boss, I'll answer this within the week. I'm looking for my notes on the LZ80, we did test the 37 inch version awhile back.
Compared both and I liked the px10 better. Better color, contrast and response time. That's why I only carry the 42px10. For LCD I prefer Samsung. :)
Nice combo yan sir, Panny sa plasma, Sammy sa LCD=)
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Im not sure if the 42 inch LCD panel of the LZ80 series is made by IPS Alpha. Im positive the 32 and 37 are.
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Im not sure if the 42 inch LCD panel of the LZ80 series is made by IPS Alpha. Im positive the 32 and 37 are.
what's IPS Alpha? Is it a good sign na sila may gawa?
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Im not sure if the 42 inch LCD panel of the LZ80 series is made by IPS Alpha. Im positive the 32 and 37 are.
hindi ba yung new batch na ng panny IPS alpha panel na?
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hindi ba yung new batch na ng panny IPS alpha panel na?
As far as I remember even the older LX80 already has an IPS-Alpha panel. Could be wrong though...
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Panasonic TX-P42G10 Review
NeoPDP technology for a grand? Yes please.
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Picture Quality: HD
This is not going to be a very long summary, because I couldn't find anything to complain about here. The TV reproduced 1080p content from Blu-ray at 24p without judder. The quality of the image is astonishingly good, with all of the benefits of Plasma technology with as few of the disadvantages as I've seen in a long time. That is to say, the contrast, depth, and uniformity of the picture were utterly fantastic, as was the inherently wide viewing angle, but inherent Plasma issues – dithering PWM noise (only just noticeable as a “tizzing” in white areas) and phosphor trails – were close to non-existent. I had almost no complaints here whatsoever.
Conclusion
Well done to Panasonic for the TX-P42G10. Here we have a Plasma display with contrast performance previously reserved only for the high end, made available in smaller screen sizes, and for an amount of money that, recession or not, is a steal. Granted, value for money is one of the few parts of our tests that's somewhat subjective rather than based on data, but I feel that having newly developed technology (or more properly, refinements to technology), with this level of quality, at a price just over the three digit mark, is exemplary. With retailers such as Amazon and HiFiBitz offering this TV for under a grand, it's really a no-brainer.
Let's not forget the excellent Greyscale accuracy (once calibrated, that is!), the convenience of having both analogue, digital and digital HD satellite tuners in one device, and the fast response for gaming. Even the sound from the TV's own built in speakers isn't too bad - I found it to be totally serviceable for TV programmes and older games.
The only limitations of this display are ones that can either be side-stepped by adding a high quality video processor (whether that's in the form of an upconverting DVD player, a dedicated processor device, or an AV receiver with processing built in), or ones that I can happily tolerate given its other strengths and price. Highly recommended.
Pros:
-Fantastic contrast and black level performance
-Extensive connectivity options (Digital Terrestrial, Digital Satellite, Analogue Terrestrial, HDMI...)
-Excellent greyscale accuracy once calibrated
-Imperfect, but still very good colour performance
-Sublime detail thanks to 1:1 1080p input
-24p input is handled correctly, judder-free
-Portrays Digital TV broadcasts in an unusually favourable light!
-Video gaming is incredibly responsive
-Incredible value for money
Cons:
-No Colour Management System for perfecting colour performance
-Standard-def video deinterlacing and scaling are lacking
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http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Panasonic-TX-P42G10-Review.html
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That's a nice review! Sana me can do something like that also ;)
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Some people might be thinking that the upgrade to the PV70/PV8/PV80 is a Neo PDP model. That is not the case. Neo PDPs are upgrades to the PZ80/PY800/PZ800/PZ850/PZ900 series. These are all full HD model plasmas.
The upgrade to the PV8/PV80 is the X series; basically the same specs but with improved contrast ratio - not Neo PDP tech though.
To answer the question, why not if you really need a full HD plasma. Otherwise, might be rather early to upgrade.
Are any of the Neo PDP models already available in the local market? All I see in the market are PVs and the PYs. So the PY800 is already a 2009 model?
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Are any of the Neo PDP models already available in the local market? All I see in the market are PVs and the PYs. So the PY800 is already a 2009 model?
Neo PDP is not yet available in our market. :(
The PV and PY are last year models. We now have the new TH-P42X10. Check this out on display at our shop. :D
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Neo PDP is not yet available in our market. :(
The PV and PY are last year models. We now have the new TH-P42X10. Check this out on display at our shop. :D
Thanks. Am not in any rush. Hopefully it will come out sometime this year. Hopefully worth the wait especially for a 50 inch model.
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50 inch G10 siguro ang next TV ko, thanks to sir Carlo's recommendations.
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50 inch G10 siguro ang next TV ko, thanks to sir Carlo's recommendations.
May tentative price na ba eto sa atin? Sa Amazon, its $1,440.00. Not bad for a 50" 1080p Plasma TV
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50 inch G10 siguro ang next TV ko, thanks to sir Carlo's recommendations.
Thank you sir, my wife is also pushing for the same unit. Naka hold muna yung LED until this one comes out. Though she says it's really a good model, I'd like to see it with my own eyes first.
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Any reviews/impressions on the 42C10? This 2009 unit is the nearest to the 42PV80, price-wise at the moment, i believe?
Comparison to the 42X10 would be very much appreciated. too.
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May tentative price na ba eto sa atin? Sa Amazon, its $1,440.00. Not bad for a 50" 1080p Plasma TV
Wala pa sir. Nagtanong nga ako sa Theater Works Trinoma, wala pa raw silang idea.
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http://panasonic.net/avc/viera/asia/product/g_plasma.html
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I stood up for nearly 1 hour in front of 2 50-inch Neo PDPs (the G and the V - G series is the upgrade to the PZ80/PY800, V series is the upgrade to the PZ800) and the PZ800 (PY850/PZ900) last Saturday and tried to figure out if I could actually detect the difference in terms of PQ. Despite all the detailed comparative analyses of the seller, I honestly couldn't see much change - although I said "yeah yeah yeah" out of courtesy. ;D
An hour later, the wife joined me and I asked for her impression. She said the Neo PDP simply looked brighter on the same settings. That I could see. ;D
On the other hand, the PZ800's built-in speaker did sound BETTER. A quick browse through the latest catalogue confirmed that Panasonic has reduced the number of built-in speaker - probably couldn't fit the same sound system in the narrower breadth.
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I stood up for nearly 1 hour in front of 2 50-inch Neo PDPs (the G and the V - G series is the upgrade to the PZ80/PY800, V series is the upgrade to the PZ800) and the PZ800 (PY850/PZ900) last Saturday and tried to figure out if I could actually detect the difference in terms of PQ. Despite all the detailed comparative analyses of the seller, I honestly couldn't see much change - although I said "yeah yeah yeah" out of courtesy. ;D
An hour later, the wife joined me and I asked for her impression. She said the Neo PDP simply looked brighter on the same settings. That I could see. ;D
On the other hand, the PZ800's built-in speaker did sound BETTER. A quick browse through the latest catalogue confirmed that Panasonic has reduced the number of built-in speaker - probably couldn't fit the same sound system in the narrower breadth.
My wife agrees with you!
Again, for me, I'll only look at these factors:
1)Just how much the green phosphor lag has been reduced. The green trails is a subject of conflicting views so I really have to see this for myself.
2)I would also like to see the improvement in the area of "image retention".
Finally, it would also be nice to check out the "Z" series, if and when it does arrive.
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Sorry,, newbie here.. what is a "kuro" like performance.. ive been hearing a lot of this.. insights pls.. one cant know everything hehehe
bro, kuro yun ang model ng pioneer plasma maganda ang pq nya kya lng sobrang mahal naman compare sa mga plasma ng panasonic na di naman din nahuhuli in terms of pq milya ang layo ng presyo ng kuro kesa sa mga ibang brand triple ang difference.
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Initial Limited Introductory Stocks Available
Panasonic TH-P42C10 at 12 months P57250. Call for cash discount.
Units are selling very fast. Only a few units available. Re-stocking will come on next 2 weeks again.
Available at Sights and Sounds 4th level Shangri-La Plaza. Tel. 634-1789 to 90.
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Link to C10 review:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=96467.new#new
Check post#22
Thank you.
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Meron palang exhaust fans ang G10 sabi sa avforums (a UK site):
http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-televisions/1004863-panasonic-p50g10-fan-noise.html
I try to avoid TVs and AV Receivers with fans because it means that those units run hot. I don't want the additional hassle of always having to check if the fans are in good running condition.
Maybe I should look at the S10 (is it called S1 in the U.S.?). Wala daw fans yon, sabi sa avforums.
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Panasonic TX-P50S10
Has anybody seen this?
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Meron palang exhaust fans ang G10 sabi sa avforums (a UK site):
http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-televisions/1004863-panasonic-p50g10-fan-noise.html
I try to avoid TVs and AV Receivers with fans because it means that those units run hot. I don't want the additional hassle of always having to check if the fans are in good running condition.
Maybe I should look at the S10 (is it called S1 in the U.S.?). Wala daw fans yon, sabi sa avforums.
(http://img.idealo.com/folder/Product/1626/9/1626920/s3_produktbild_gross.gif)
Panasonic TX-P50S10
Has anybody seen this?
Yes, my wife saw that model also. I'll ask her to post her findings when she's not too busy anymore. About the fans, it was sort of a hassle for me before when I got my PY800 - It has 4 fans and yes I used to check them every now and then ;) Hindi na ngayon, kasi my wife says "SOBRA NA YAN"...^
POST UPDATE: What she saw was the V10,G10, and S1 (eto daw ba?)
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Yes, my wife saw that model also. I'll ask her to post her findings when she's not too busy anymore.
Thanks very much for the quick reply, bos Carlo!
Comitatus' inputs will be very helpful.
About the fans, it was sort of a hassle for me before when I got my PY800 - It has 4 fans and yes I used to check them every now and then ;) Hindi na ngayon, kasi my wife says "SOBRA NA YAN"...^
We probably don't have to worry about the fans. They're very simple parts, so it's unlikely that they will die prematurely. But then again, you'll never know, di ba?
A unit that runs cool and doesn't need fans would give me one less thing to worry about.
POST UPDATE: What she saw was the V10,G10, and S1 (eto daw ba?)
Yes, I think so. S1 ang nakikita ko sa U.S. sites.
Here's a link from amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIERA-TC-P50S1-50-Inch-Plasma/dp/B001U3YJTY/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
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One more point that's very important to me:
I'm more interested in SD DVD performance. On a Panny plasma, is it true that SD DVD looks worse on a 1080p panel than on a 768p panel?
Because if a 768p panel gives a better SD DVD picture, I'll have to look at the next lower model.
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We probably don't have to worry about the fans. They're very simple parts, so it's unlikely that they will die prematurely. But then again, you'll never know, di ba?
A unit that runs cool and doesn't need fans would give me one less thing to worry about.
They are simple yet moving parts, there's always the risk of having them stop functioning for whatever possible reason.
I would honestly prefer one that has no fans for ventilation.
One more point that's very important to me:
I'm more interested in SD DVD performance. On a Panny plasma, is it true that SD DVD looks worse on a 1080p panel than on a 768p panel?
Because if a 768p panel gives a better SD DVD picture, I'll have to look at the next lower model.
Very important thing also for me, as my movie collection consists of ONLY SD DVDs.
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Next lower than S10 is X10: http://panasonic.net/avc/viera/asia/product/x10_plasma.html
Lower than X10 is C: http://panasonic.net/avc/viera/asia/product/c_plasma.html
Carlo and Comitatus say both X10 and C are good.
I once used a fan on an old integrated amp that ran a bit hot. Nag-improve naman ang temperature, pero ang bilis mapuno ng alikabok ang loob ng amp :P. I always tried to avoid fans since then.
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I dont know about other brands but a full HD Panasonic plasma will cook in its own heat if not for the cooling fans. I saved a lot on gas heating bills last winter by simply watching on a plasma. It's an effective space heater.
The NEO PDPs have reduced the power consumption by nearly 50% compared to previous gen models. The fans should be more energy efficient as well - quieter that is.
Neo PDP images are relatively softer than that of the X-series. Similar to previous year's models, this seems to be the visual effect of having visible grid lines (on the 720p panel) that tend to edge enhance the image. The grid lines are discernible up to about 6 feet, but it's no big deal really unless you look very closely at how smooth the 1080p images are. It's even possible, depending on the viewer, to prefer the X series image over the Neo PDP images at farther viewing distances due to seemingly sharper picture.
Anyways, the X series is really quite good. The 37-incher, though could be somewhat small for many people, is very pleasing to the eyes.
Then napa-tambay ako sa Pioneer section while waiting for the rain to stop..Iba pa rin talaga Kuro kaya dapat, sa huli tinitignan. :)
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Thanks, that's very helpful.
Ganun kainit pala yun? .... Scary ... :-\
C and X10 yata talaga ang safe bilhin.
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Thanks, that's very helpful.
Ganun kainit pala yun? .... Scary ... :-\
C and X10 yata talaga ang safe bilhin.
Plasmas should be safe to use up to an ambient temp range of 35-40 degrees. Kung spacious yung viewing room, the heating effect of the plasma can be effectively dissipated. Of course, airconditioning will make it comfortable both for the plasma and the people watching - but I don't think aircon is a must unless you live in the Middle East.
Sometimes, lower power consumption can also be equated to (relatively) cooler device during operation. Hopefully, that is the case for the 2009 models.
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Thanks, that's very helpful.
Ganun kainit pala yun? .... Scary ... :-\
C and X10 yata talaga ang safe bilhin.
Elo!
sir yung g10 and the s1 are similar pag dating sa pq maybe nag kaiba lang siya when it comes to the "extra" features. sa dvd performance talagang maganda ang G10 for that purpose.
since you mentioned a 720p having a better performance for dvd over a 1080p, allow me to say that i prefer watching dvd's on our pv70 over the py800. i find that the py800 is too clean na parang hindi natural and film-like ang dating. carlo, disagrees, but to each his own naman di ba?
sa bahay our set-up is - blu-ray for py800, dvd for pv70, games sa a650.
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Elo din po!
Nababasa ko yan sa forums, sabi nila pareho lang daw ang panel ng S1 and G10.
With the same video processing software, PQ should be similar. I agree that it's the extra features that make the G10 more expensive.
Maganda pala talaga ang G10 for SD, sayang naman, medyo apprehensive ako sa heat and fan.
Di ba wala daw fan ang S1? If so, and it's a 1080p panel similar to the G10, e di ang init siguro ng S1?
since you mentioned a 720p having a better performance for dvd over a 1080p, allow me to say that i prefer watching dvd's on our pv70 over the py800. i find that the py800 is too clean na parang hindi natural and film-like ang dating. carlo, disagrees, but to each his own naman di ba?
I haven't seen an SD comparison for 768p vs. 1080p panels, nababasa ko lang sa forums.
Sabi nila 1080p is great for BD, but 720p is better for SD. It seems you also observe that on a PV70 vs PY800 comparison.
But I guess that's no longer true on a NeoPDP 1080p?
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Elo!
sir yung g10 and the s1 are similar pag dating sa pq maybe nag kaiba lang siya when it comes to the "extra" features. sa dvd performance talagang maganda ang G10 for that purpose.
since you mentioned a 720p having a better performance for dvd over a 1080p, allow me to say that i prefer watching dvd's on our pv70 over the py800. i find that the py800 is too clean na parang hindi natural and film-like ang dating. carlo, disagrees, but to each his own naman di ba?
sa bahay our set-up is - blu-ray for py800, dvd for pv70, games sa a650.
Parang contradicting medyo? Since G10 is a 1080p plasma diba? So the G10 would be considered an exception sa 720p offers better SD DVD performance?
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Yan ang piniag-iisipan ko ngayon.
1. G10 is NeoPDP and 1080p. Maganda raw sa SD DVD. Therefore, maganda na ang SD DVD kahit 1080p panel basta NeoPDP panel.
Pero may fan ang G10. Iniiwasan natin ang may fan. Punta tayo sa S1 kasi walang fan ang S1.
2. Ang S1 ay NeoPDP rin. 1080p din. E di maganda rin siguro sa SD DVD (although ang impression ni Comitatus ay mas maganda pa rin ang G10 even for SD DVD ).
Pero pareho lang ang panel ng S1 sa G10. E di mainit din siguro ang S1. Pero walang fan ang S1. E di lalong mainit ang S1 kasi 1080p na walang fan.
Kung mainit ang S1, punta tayo sa X10 :D
3. Ang X10 ay hindi NeoPDP panel. 768p ang native resolution (1024x768 sa 42inch; 1366x768 sa 50 inch). Maganda rin sa SD DVD, hindi pa mainit, walang fan.
Maganda rin daw ang X10, sabi ni Comitatus on page 2 of this thread: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=95177.msg1003214#msg1003214
Siguradong much cheaper than G10 ito ... puwede!
Anyway, matagal pa naman yata ang availability ng buong 2009 line ng Panny dito. Marami pang inputs na puwede tayong basahin.
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3. Ang X10 ay hindi NeoPDP panel. 768p ang native resolution (1024x768 sa 42inch; 1366x768 sa 50 inch). Maganda rin sa SD DVD, hindi pa mainit, walang fan.
Maganda rin daw ang X10, sabi ni Comitatus on page 2 of this thread: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=95177.msg1003214#msg1003214
Siguradong much cheaper than G10 ito ... puwede!
Anyway, matagal pa naman yata ang availability ng buong 2009 line ng Panny dito. Marami pang inputs na puwede tayong basahin.
Inaantay ko rin yung price ng 50-incher na X10, kaso mukhang madugo since around 67k yung 42-inch.
Based on your experience, hindi ba mas malabo 50-inch sa 42-inch pag SD DVD?
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Based on your experience, hindi ba mas malabo 50-inch sa 42-inch pag SD DVD?
No, diyan nga ako nagtataka, e.
My plasma is a 42" Viera EDTV, 480p. Compared with 42" 1024 x 768, parang mas maganda ang 480p panel for SD DVD. Not surprising, kasi a 480p panel gives you almost 1:1 pixel mapping for SD DVD.
Side by side with Panny 50 inchers, nagtataka ako, bakit mas maganda nang konti ang 50 incher for SD DVD.
Dapat nga mas pangit ang 50 inch for 2 reasons: (a) It's a bigger screen; and (b) Resolution is 1366 x 768, which will require more processing from the Viera's software.
But there it is. Side by side, the 50 inch 768p was slightly better than the 42 inch 480p.
Why didn't I buy the 50 incher? It was just too expensive.
It was 2006. The 42 incher was P160K; the 50 incher was P250K.
At the time, there were very few of us in pinoydvd who preferred plasmas. Everybody else wanted LCDs, and we looked like dumbasses for wanting an "obsolete" technology. :D
Inaantay ko rin yung price ng 50-incher na X10, kaso mukhang madugo since around 67k yung 42-inch.
OK na rin yan sir. Yung 42 inch EDTV ko nga, P120K ang bili ko in 2006, tuwang tuwa pa ko. :D
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Dapat nga mas pangit ang 50 inch for 2 reasons: (a) It's a bigger screen; and (b) Resolution is 1366 x 768, which will require more processing from the Viera's software.
But there it is. Side by side, the 50 inch 768p was slightly better than the 42 inch 480p.
Maybe Panasonic has developed a very good upscaler over the past few years kaya ganun. Parati kong naiisip na mas malabo yung 50-incher dahil nga regarding sa pixel density and the bigger screen.
I guess we'll have to wait talaga until these 2009 models come out before magsalita any further. ;D
Thanks barrister!
OK na rin yan sir. Yung 42 inch EDTV ko nga, P120K ang bili ko in 2006, tuwang tuwa pa ko. :D
Lately lang kami sumabak sa flat panels. Hehe we currently have a LG 32-inch 480p Plasma. We got the 480p since yun nga, almost 1:1 ang mapping ng pixels, hence dapat better picture quality than a display which would require upscaling.
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Parang contradicting medyo? Since G10 is a 1080p plasma diba? So the G10 would be considered an exception sa 720p offers better SD DVD performance?
Not really contradicting naman...
i compared the pv70 with the py800 not with the g10. the py800 based on my experience has a softer picture, kaya i preferred the pv70 over it sa dvd. back sa g10, the g10 (though also a 1080p panel like the py800) has a sharper look over the py800, kaya for me the g10 is a cut above the older py800 sa dvd ;)
@barrister
i'll check the fans after we watch a blu-ray, and feel just how hot it is^
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Is it confirmed that the S1 series has no cooling fans? That line is not available in Tokyo hence I cannot verify myself.
Even then, I would prefer having the cooling fans because naturally-cooled 1080p plasma panel sounds disturbingly hot.
Masilip nga yung likod ng Z1 dahil baka wala syang cooling fans sa nipis. :)
Parang ang hirap i-justify ng full HD panel if the main use would be SD DVD, unless the price difference with that of X series is not an issue.
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Is it confirmed that the S1 series has no cooling fans? That line is not available in Tokyo hence I cannot verify myself.
No, hindi pa 100% sure yan.
Nabasa ko lang sa avforums (UK), where they were comparing the S10 to the G10 (S10 is "S1" in the U.S.):
is your tv still within its return period, i noticed you have a buzzing problem as well. if it is within the return period and you want a 1080p plasma without fans you could try the panasonic S10 as it has no fans, but i think it will get quite hot in a recess.
so once you get the S10 home and set it up properly by turning the settings up from the factory presets to show a similar picture to the G10, will it then use more power than the G10. if thats correct why does the S10 not need fans and the G10 does.
This is correct.
As to why the G10 uses fans when the S10 doesn't, this is not dependent on power usage, but more to do with how all the components inside the tv handle high temperatures. Internally the G10 is very different to the S10 in design.
http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-televisions/1004863-panasonic-p50g10-fan-noise.html
Even then, I would prefer having the cooling fans because naturally-cooled 1080p plasma panel sounds disturbingly hot.
That's true. Given a choice between 2 hot TVs, one with a fan and one without, I would choose the one with a fan.
But given a choice between a hot TV with a fan, and a cool TV without a fan, I would choose the cool TV.
Parang ang hirap i-justify ng full HD panel if the main use would be SD DVD, unless the price difference with that of X series is not an issue.
Korek.
If use is mainly for SD, X10 dapat.
Kung konti lang ang price difference, S or G10 na, even if main use is for SD.
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Sir barrister, how do you know if hot is too hot already? Pasensya na sir medyo paranoid ako pag dating sa mga toys natin. ;D
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Estimates lang naman talaga yan sir.
It's mostly guesswork. You know if an appliance is hot by touching and comparing with similar appliances. Once you get used to it, you can describe with reasonable accuracy if it's hot (not good), or just warm (OK lang).
Even if you had a thermal scanner, useless din, kasi you wouldn't know what temperature is acceptable and what isn't.
There are no known heat issues with the PV70 or the PY800, so if you don't notice any temperature changes since they were new, then you should be fine.
Just touch your 2 plasmas, remember their temperatures, then compare with the new models you'll be looking at. Puwede na yon.
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got my x10 for 60k... sulit na siya para sa akin..
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Congrats! Very low price!
Balitaan mo kami sa performance.
Meron na bang 50 inch?
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noob pa din ako pag dating sa mga tv.. ang napansin ko lang talaga nung tinest namin unit eh nagandahan ako sa plasma.. eto kasi first plasma ko at ang meron father ko lcd bravia... napansin ko lang dun sa store ang blurry ng lcd kesa sa plasma na mas detailed ang output..
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got my x10 for 60k... sulit na siya para sa akin..
Maganda talaga magbigay ng deal yung sellers natin within this board. They can match the prevailing online prices in Tokyo for this particular model.
Hopefully, they can bring in yung mga nag-price down nang series 800 and 850 full HD plasmas. Grabe bentahan ngayon.
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Meron na bang 50 inch?
From what I heard with Jeff of TW, end of June pa yung dating ng mga 50-inchers.
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Thanks!
Let me see...
July lalabas ... babasa ako ng comments from July hanggang October ... pag OK, puwede na siguro bumili sa December ...
... Pero mas mababa na siguro ang presyo next year, baka next year na lang ... :D :D :D
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Thanks!
Let me see...
July lalabas ... babasa ako ng comments from July hanggang October ... pag OK, puwede na siguro bumili sa December ...
... Pero mas mababa na siguro ang presyo next year, baka next year na lang ... :D :D :D
Hahaha, ganito nangyari sa akin nung PV70 days pa lang, ayun sa PV80 ako bumagsak, december last year, muntik ko pa nga abangan yung 2009 models e, hehe ;D ;D ;D
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Maganda talaga magbigay ng deal yung sellers natin within this board. They can match the prevailing online prices in Tokyo for this particular model.
Hopefully, they can bring in yung mga nag-price down nang series 800 and 850 full HD plasmas. Grabe bentahan ngayon.
Here in our local market, the prices of 50PY850 and 50PY800 had gone down also. :D
Anyone who wishes for these models may call up Sights and Sounds 634-1789 to 90 to inquire the prices. :D
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Estimates lang naman talaga yan sir.
It's mostly guesswork. You know if an appliance is hot by touching and comparing with similar appliances. Once you get used to it, you can describe with reasonable accuracy if it's hot (not good), or just warm (OK lang).
Even if you had a thermal scanner, useless din, kasi you wouldn't know what temperature is acceptable and what isn't.
There are no known heat issues with the PV70 or the PY800, so if you don't notice any temperature changes since they were new, then you should be fine.
Just touch your 2 plasmas, remember their temperatures, then compare with the new models you'll be looking at. Puwede na yon.
I see, maybe it's best for me to stop worrying about these things and just enjoy the show. About your search for a new T.V, I'd wait til prices go down before I buy anything. I made a critical error buying the latest "gear" only to find out how prices considerably drop after a few months.
Of all the purchases I made last year, the best purchases were:
1) Samsung 40A650 for LCD
2) Panny 42PV80 for Plasma
The "others" including the PY800, are units I could have just "skipped".
Like you I'm also looking for my 1st 50 incher, choices are either a 50PV70 or 80, if they could still be purchased. Or a 50G10 or the 50X10.
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ang ganda talaga ng x10... im so happy with it... i won't regret it..
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The "others" including the PY800, are units I could have just "skipped".
mabuti na lang pala hindi ako natuloy bumili ng PY800.. I'm looking forward to seeing with my own eyes the G10 series..
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I hope the Asian TH-P50X10 is not the same as the U.S. TC-P50X1.
On the TC-P50X1, Cnet's David Katzmaier found a flaw:
Uniformity: Most plasmas have nearly perfect screen uniformity, to the extent that we usually skip this section entirely in plasma TV reviews, but on the TC-P50X1 we encountered an issue we hadn't seen before. It might not be a classic uniformity artifact, such as off-angle problems or brightness variations across the screen--which were, as expected, basically nonexistent on this plasma--but it could be a deal-breaker for sharp-eyed viewers. Then again, most viewers probably won't notice it, at least until they read about it.
From seating distances closer than about 10 feet, we could make out a pattern of very faint, grayish diagonal lines that ran from the upper left to the lower right of the screen. The lines didn't move, but rather seemed to be a part of the screen or pixel structure.
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p50x1/4505-6482_7-33490593.html
On pictures, the only visible difference is the pedestal stand:
(http://panasonic.net/avc/viera/asia/product/img/x10_plasma/head.jpg)
Asia
(http://panasonic.net/avc/viera/us/product/img/x_plasma/head.jpg)
U.S.
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got my x10 for 60k... sulit na siya para sa akin..
Hmm.. I saw a bnew 42X10 sa marketplace, 58.5K yata...
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whoah... ang mura naman nun...
edit: parang wala naman yata ako nakita sa marketplace..
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whoah... ang mura naman nun...
edit: parang wala naman yata ako nakita sa marketplace..
This one (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=96663.0).
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I hope the Asian TH-P50X10 is not the same as the U.S. TC-P50X1.
On the TC-P50X1, Cnet's David Katzmaier found a flaw:
Uniformity: Most plasmas have nearly perfect screen uniformity, to the extent that we usually skip this section entirely in plasma TV reviews, but on the TC-P50X1 we encountered an issue we hadn't seen before. It might not be a classic uniformity artifact, such as off-angle problems or brightness variations across the screen--which were, as expected, basically nonexistent on this plasma--but it could be a deal-breaker for sharp-eyed viewers. Then again, most viewers probably won't notice it, at least until they read about it.
From seating distances closer than about 10 feet, we could make out a pattern of very faint, grayish diagonal lines that ran from the upper left to the lower right of the screen. The lines didn't move, but rather seemed to be a part of the screen or pixel structure.
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p50x1/4505-6482_7-33490593.html
On pictures, the only visible difference is the pedestal stand:
(http://panasonic.net/avc/viera/asia/product/img/x10_plasma/head.jpg)
Asia
(http://panasonic.net/avc/viera/us/product/img/x_plasma/head.jpg)
U.S.
Hey thanks! I'll look at it again this Saturday, and see if it's present to some degree on our local versions (X10/C10). If there is, I would also like to check how it affects actual "viewing"
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Panasonic TX-P42X10 Plasma HDTV Review
It's the base model. It's only HD Ready. But it's very impressive!
Reviewed 1st Jun, 2009
By Phil Hinton
(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/6210/x101430ac7.jpg) (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=x101430ac7.jpg)
As you would expect from the base model there are no fancy extras adorning this plasma, so no NeoPDP panel, DNLA, Viera Cast, THX, Digital cinema colour or intelligent frame creation. And the screen resolution is also not full HD; instead it is 1024 x 768 pixels from a G12 plasma panel.
Picture Quality out of the box
Starting with the best out of the box settings (Cinema and Warm with Brightness and Contrast set for our room), the X10 is quick to impress with its picture quality. Although there is a slight lack of red in the greyscale and that is seen on screen with a green/yellow tone, the image is still very impressive. Dynamic, Normal and Game modes suffer more with this error and colour temperature settings of cool and normal don’t improve matters in my eyes. So, sticking with the Cinema and Warm modes is highly recommended. The first thing that really does impress with the X10 is the black levels available on what is a base model. Blacks are rich and solid with plenty of shadow detail still available.
This performance when compared to LCD screens in the same price range, show why Plasma is still a preferred choice for videophiles and those looking for accurate images. And the 720p image capabilities are not detrimental to overall sharpness or detail on screen. Indeed at normal viewing distances and side by side with the Reference Kuro in our testing room, image sharpness and detail was never an issue at normal distances. Colours do look slightly over saturated out of the box, especially reds and greens, but this is also only really noticeable with material using strong examples of those colours. For the most part you will need to give the X10 some time if your used to strong bright LCD images to get the very best detailed images. As with the more expensive Panasonic's for 2009, PWM noise is also reduced and this offers a cleaner and sharper feel to images. The X10 offers an exceptionally good image performance out of the box at this price level and certainly offers some accuracy for film and TV material.
Conclusion
We knew the higher end Panasonic plasma TVs were likely to offer excellent performance and value for money this year, as seen in our reviews. But, I had no idea just how well this base model was going to perform. And I am glad that I have taken the time to live with the TX-P42X10 because it is an exceptional performer for the money.
It might only be HD ready, but with an acceptable out of the box performance against the standards, strong dynamic range, black levels and with no special features getting in the way; the X10 is an absolute bargain that offers performance levels well above its price point. It’s a best buy!
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http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Panasonic-TX-P42X10-Plasma-HDTV-Review.html
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Panasonic TX-P50V10 Review
THX knocks some extra accuracy into Panasonic's already excellent Plasma Displays
Reviewed 7th May, 2009
By David Mackenzie
(http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/8066/main5320a3.jpg) (http://img36.imageshack.us/my.php?image=main5320a3.jpg)
Picture Quality
So, to sum up: we have the accuracy of the THX mode, the contrast performance of Panasonic's NeoPDP technology, and of course all of the other characteristics of Plasma displays (a wide viewing angle, a phosphor-driven natural TV-like picture, excellent motion resolution, and also the usual PDP quirks: a little bit of mild dithering/posterisation and PWM noise). The result? Overall, beautiful!
Conclusion
With a certain other company pulling out of the PDP market lately, video enthusiasts are counting on Panasonic to step up and provide high quality images in the same way that Pioneer once did: through adherence to standards, which exist for a reason. The THX mode is an absolutely fantastic step in this direction - but it's just one step. Regardless, the effectiveness of this mode is undeniable: a one-touch mode for utterly brilliant video is too much to stay mad at regardless of the other controls the TV does or does not have. Do consider this, though: were it not for THX's input into this TV's behaviour, there would be almost nothing to set this model apart from the considerably cheaper G10 series. Thanks to them, though, the out of the box Greyscale performance is wonderful, and the colour reproduction is fantastic – leagues ahead of the usual "pumped up" look. This makes for an absoutely excellent display which is not only kind to standard definition content, but one which realises HD (almost) to its full.
I started this review by mentioning that none of Panasonic's Plasmas are bad TVs (not by a long shot), and I'm about to finish it in the same way. I do think that especially at the higher end, the company should be including more calibration controls to add value for money. Several manufacturers of what often turn out to be lesser displays are managing this feat, so we can only dream what Panasonic could achieve by implementing such features. For now, though, the THX image mode combined with Panasonic's Plasma know-how win the panel a Highly Recommended badge.
(http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/3397/highlyrecommended.jpg) (http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=highlyrecommended.jpg)
http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Panasonic-TX-P50V10-Review.html
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Thanks for the professional reviews!
I've been googling all week, konti lang ang hits ko, puro low-quality write-ups pa.
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got my x10 for 60k... sulit na siya para sa akin..
Pwede po ba malaman kun saang store 'to.
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I hope the Asian TH-P50X10 is not the same as the U.S. TC-P50X1.
On the TC-P50X1, Cnet's David Katzmaier found a flaw:
Uniformity: Most plasmas have nearly perfect screen uniformity, to the extent that we usually skip this section entirely in plasma TV reviews, but on the TC-P50X1 we encountered an issue we hadn't seen before. It might not be a classic uniformity artifact, such as off-angle problems or brightness variations across the screen--which were, as expected, basically nonexistent on this plasma--but it could be a deal-breaker for sharp-eyed viewers. Then again, most viewers probably won't notice it, at least until they read about it.
From seating distances closer than about 10 feet, we could make out a pattern of very faint, grayish diagonal lines that ran from the upper left to the lower right of the screen. The lines didn't move, but rather seemed to be a part of the screen or pixel structure.
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/panasonic-tc-p50x1/4505-6482_7-33490593.html
On pictures, the only visible difference is the pedestal stand:
(http://panasonic.net/avc/viera/asia/product/img/x10_plasma/head.jpg)
Asia
(http://panasonic.net/avc/viera/us/product/img/x_plasma/head.jpg)
U.S.
I was at SnS shang last sat to scout for some 32" models for my gf's sis. I saw the 42" X and C plasmas and didnt notice any gray diagonal lines on the screen whether the unit was on or off. The 50" versions were still unavailable, tsk tsk...
Reflection wise, I used my cel's photolight and shone on both screens to check how each model reflects the light while the sets were off. In my eyes, both screens just displayed the same amount of light and background reflections. Maybe its just me..
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I did the fan check yesterday. For those who might be interested;
1. Neo PDP models G, V and Z all have cooling fans at the back.
2. The cooling fan configuration of the V series is the same as that of PZ800/850/900. 4 fans lined up near the top. However, probably due to changes/upgrades in the features of the panel itself, the Neo PDPs are warmer to touch from the front compared to the 800/850/900 series.
3. The G series is mysteriously "very hot" to touch particularly on the top right side - similar to the feel of the hot parts of an old laptop. The bezel and case design is different from the V series, and it seems not as "balanced" in terms of cooling.
4. The Z series is warmest to touch on the front. I saw only 1 cooling fan at the back which is similar to that of Pioneer. So perhaps the idea is to dissipate more heat uniformly from the front instead of installing additional fans at the back. Pioneer plasmas have the reputation of being hot-ter.
Correction: After a closer look, ang dami palang cooling fans sa likod ng Z series. Ang nipis kase kayo mukhang breathing holes lang pero merong manipis na fan inside. Pero warmer talaga sya compared to the regular phat ones.
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I've seen the Panny X10 at Listening Room the other day. While the picture quality is not heaven and earth difference when compared to the 2008 models, the build quality has somehow taken the back seat compared to last years model.
But then again, that's just me. :)
Cheers!
Rev
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I was at SnS shang last sat to scout for some 32" models for my gf's sis. I saw the 42" X and C plasmas and didnt notice any gray diagonal lines on the screen whether the unit was on or off. The 50" versions were still unavailable, tsk tsk...
Reflection wise, I used my cel's photolight and shone on both screens to check how each model reflects the light while the sets were off. In my eyes, both screens just displayed the same amount of light and background reflections. Maybe its just me..
Hello,
Thanks for visiting Sights and Sounds. :) You have seen both new TH-P42X10 and TH-P42C10. Today, We have received the new 50" TH-P50C10. :D You may wish to come back and do some audition with this model.
By the way, the TH-P50C10 is cash P87K. ;)
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sir whats the difference between 50pc10 and 50pv80? ;D
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Hello,
Thanks for visiting Sights and Sounds. :) You have seen both new TH-P42X10 and TH-P42C10. Today, We have received the new 50" TH-P50C10. :D You may wish to come back and do some audition with this model.
By the way, the TH-P50C10 is cash P87K. ;)
Ok tnx boss Vic, cge I'll drop by to audition the 50C10. Im seriously thinking to upgrade na before the year ends. :)
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Panasonic's best plasma yet
(http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/1594/panasonicv1006090923acd.jpg) (http://img188.imageshack.us/my.php?image=panasonicv1006090923acd.jpg)
In our review of Panasonic's G10 plasma we discussed how it competed for picture quality supremacy against Pioneer's now-discontinued Kuro PRO-111FD--still the best HDTV ever--and how ultimately it couldn't quite match the Kuro.
The same basic story stays true for the TC-PV10 series, but it's even better than the G10.
This Panasonic plasma has the same deep blacks that grace its less-expensive little brother, and adds a couple of key improvements: better video processing to handle 1080p/24 sources and more picture adjustments that allow it to transcend the limitations of THX mode. Its picture should satisfy all but the pickiest of videophiles, and it also outperforms any LCD-based display, LED or otherwise, we've ever tested. Beyond image quality, the V10 delivers plenty of features and an eye-catching one-sheet-of-glass design, for a combination that deserves serious consideration from buyers willing to pay for it.
Product summary
The good:
Superb black-level performance with excellent shadow detail; relatively accurate color in Custom mode after adjustment; great color saturation; properly handles 1080p/24 sources without flicker; uses less power than previous 1080p plasmas; VieraCast provides access to select Internet services; plenty of connectivity with four HDMI and one PC input.
The bad:
Expensive; less accurate primary and secondary colors in non-THX modes; somewhat limited picture controls; still less efficient than comparable LCDs.
The bottom line:
The high-end Panasonic TC-PV10 series of plasmas delivers the overall best picture quality of any flat-panel HDTV we've tested so far this year.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10259971-1.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=Crave
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sir whats the difference between 50pc10 and 50pv80? ;D
TH50PV80 has 400Hz Sub-field Drive, Dynamic: 1,000,000:1; Native: 15,000:1
New TH-P50C10 has 600Hz Sub-field Drive, Dynamic: 2,000,000:1; Native: 30,000:1 :D
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Only 5 units available...
New 50" Plasma TV TH-P50C10 at P87k
Call Jonjon or Hazel for order and inquiry. Tel 634-1789 to 90.
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Only 10 units available...
New 32" LCD TV TH-L32X10 at P27K
Call Jonjon or Hazel for order and inquiry. Tel 634-1789 to 90.
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Only 5 units left...
New Plasma TV TH-P42C10 at P48K
Call Jonjon or Hazel for order and inquiry. Tel 634-1789 to 90.
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Liquidation Sale...
37" LCD TV TX-37LX80 at P35K
Call Jonjon or Hazel for order and inquiry. Tel 634-1789 to 90.
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New 50" Plasma TV TH-P50C10 at P87k
Malapit na rin yung X series na 50-incher?
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Malapit na rin yung X series na 50-incher?
Yup malapit na. ;)
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Malapit na rin yung X series na 50-incher?
Will announce the availability of TH-P50X10. Coming very soon. :D
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Not sure about the 50 inches but the 42 inches go for like 1200 to 1300 usd.
Yes it still has that feature=)
Hello there ms. comitatus,
I know you have answered this query but just to be definitely sure does the G10 have the intelligent frame creation feature? I have researched it thru reviews and they say nothing of this feature but the V series does have it. Thanks in advance! ;D
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Hello there ms. comitatus,
I know you have answered this query but just to be definitely sure does the G10 have the intelligent frame creation feature? I have researched it thru reviews and they say nothing of this feature but the V series does have it. Thanks in advance! ;D
yes it claims to have that feature but was not able to test it...
I found a review that says something about the intel frame creation
"The Panasonic TX-P42G10 HDTV handled 1080p/24 video signal from the Sony PS3 fluidly without any sign of telecine judder. Engaging [Intelligent Frame Creation] did not introduce the dreaded video-like effect nor any significant interpolation artefacts, but because we did not observe any convincing improvement in motion resolution either, we decided to leave it off."
source po:
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p42g10-tx-p42g10b-20090415146.htm
the review also confirms my observation about the green ghosts=)
"If you’re not one of the few unfortunate viewers with high retinal persistence who are extremely susceptible to phosphor trails on plasma televisions, high-definition gaming on the Panasonic TX-P42G10 will be a blast thanks to its punchy contrast, vibrant colours, lucid detail, and almost non-existent input lag."
source po:
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/panasonic-tx-p42g10-tx-p42g10b-20090415146.htm
Ako naman may question:
people always say that pixel response time is not an issue sa plasma but i can't find any actual figure to put a "number" sa response time...siya ba ay 2ms? 4ms or 6ms?
thank you.
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I recall seeing the response time somewhere. It was a .05 or faster. :)
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I recall seeing the response time somewhere. It was a .05 or faster. :)
really? that's nice and thank you for the info.
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how to enable game mode sa x10?
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Ms. Comitatus,
THANKS for the reply. Im eagerly awaiting the G10's local release or even an imported release which will be available soon ( I hope ) ::). I'm torn between the 2 panny 50 inchers either last years 50PY800 or the 2009 50G10 ???. Your thoughts HD Gurus? ;D
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just got my new panny 42pc10...
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=17792.msg1015572#msg1015572
wish i could figure out how to tune the channels properly though...
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how to enable game mode sa x10?
Go to menu -> go to picture -> enter viewing mode -> select normal/cinema/game/dynamic. ;)
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Only 5 units available...
New 50" Plasma TV TH-P50C10 at P87k
Call Jonjon or Hazel for order and inquiry. Tel 634-1789 to 90.
sir whats the best deal?
pv80 pc10 or py800?
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What's the catch of this pana 37" 1080 resolution LCD? TX-37LZ8 - 39.6k compared to 42k sa mga suki natin
http://cgi.ebay.ph/BRAND-NEW-PANASONIC-LCD-TV-37-MODEL-TX-37LZ8_W0QQitemZ200350578722QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_211?hash=item2ea5d33822&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65:2|66:2|39:1|240:1318|301:1|293:1|294:50
ITEM DESCRIPTION:
TV type: LCD
Diagonal screen size: 32 inch
Aspect ratio 16:9
Screen size 37 inch / 94 cm
Resolution 1,920 x 1,080
Contrast 6.000:1
View angle 178 grade
Sound 20 W (10 W x 2), 10% THD
Other characteristics Panel IPS-Alpha Full-HD Tehnologie V-Real Pro 3
Contrast dinamic 6.000:1 3D Comb filter
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got my new panasonic L32X10 kanina lang sa robinson pioneer...... naistorbo ko pa lunch ng mga staffs :D
the best buy!
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Professional review (UK):
(http://www.trustedreviews.com/images/article/inline/10429-p50x10bimg2.jpg)
Panasonic Viera TX-P50X10 50in Plasma TV Review
http://www.trustedreviews.com/tvs/review/2009/03/26/Panasonic-Viera-TX-P50X10-50in-Plasma-TV/p1
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got my new panasonic L32X10 kanina lang sa robinson pioneer...... naistorbo ko pa lunch ng mga staffs :D
the best buy!
care to write a review sir?
i'll be getting a 32" soon and i'm eyeing this particular model.
tia!
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just got a 32x10 from Theaterworks Robinson. May settings ba kayo marerecommend guys? thanks.
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What is Panasonic's version of Sony's "motion flow" feature? (the silky smooth effect, for lack of a better term :))
And what 2009 Panasonic models have this feature?
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care to write a review sir?
i'll be getting a 32" soon and i'm eyeing this particular model.
tia!
Well ..... i like it a lot thats for sure ;D maganda yung color niya. compared with LG's LH20 model na nasa store .... maganda pagka red ng panny at yung skin ng tao mas natural ..... dunno about the settings ng LG but i am assuming na nasa default settings lang ang parehong tv
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sir whats the best deal?
pv80 pc10 or py800?
The best deal when you consider price and performance is still the pv80. It has a good following because of it's well received performance and even though it is a 2008 plasma model it's still praise worthy.
Come and visit the shop and we can see it for ourselves.
Cheers.
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Any updates on the arrival of a 2009 Full HD panel?
I have my eyes on this one already ;)
http://panasonic.com.sg/web/pid/8011
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What is Panasonic's version of Sony's "motion flow" feature? (the silky smooth effect, for lack of a better term :))
And what 2009 Panasonic models have this feature?
I'd described Sony's motion flow as "home video look effect". I haven't seen that kind of effect (on a movie) from any other brand or make.
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I'd described Sony's motion flow as "home video look effect". I haven't seen that kind of effect (on a movie) from any other brand or make.
I have seen a similar things with Samsung models. The Series 5 and 6 models of last year in particular when their movie plus option is turned on. I think the movement becomes "artificial" (for lack of a better term) due to the insertion/manipulation of frames. I say this because my Sammy Series 5's manual, defined movie plus as a feature that provides better skin detail, which i can only imagine is a per-frame processing thing.
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Any updates on the arrival of a 2009 Full HD panel?
Hey Carlo, we have just received TH-P42S10 full HD plasma TV. You may wish to check this out on display. This TV is P72K cash. :D
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Hey Carlo, we have just received TH-P42S10 full HD plasma TV. You may wish to check this out on display. This TV is P72K cash. :D
Yesss! Be there this week ;D
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Aside from being full-hd, what are the benefits/advantages of the higher end NEO PDP models (series Z, V and G) over the standard models (series S, X and C) for Pana's 2009 lineup?
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Ano po ba equivalent model ng 42PX10 sa US models. Can't seem to find the PX10 model at tweaktv.
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Impression of the "Asian" 42S10 done, and could be found on this link:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=97929.0
Reply#13
Thank you.
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carlo777 is looking at the g10 u.s version and he will do a mini mamaya.
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We will display the new Neo PDP Panasonic 50G10 and 54G10 tomorrow. For those who wish to order, you may call Sights and Sounds 634-1789 to 90 for transaction. :)
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Sir Vic just curious...:) Why sell the Panny G series US version instead of the asian version? ::)
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ano magandang panny 42-50 incher na model ngayon? ung super sulit sa performance
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Sir Vic just curious...:) Why sell the Panny G series US version instead of the asian version? ::)
We sell G series out of Carlo777 and his wife's feedbacks that this TV, a new Neo plasma panel, really rocks! This G series, This TV, therefore, will be our trial product to see if market will accept the 110 volt TV. We will sell this TV while awaiting the arrival of the asian version. :D
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We sell G series out of Carlo777 and his wife's feedbacks that this TV, a new Neo plasma panel, really rocks! This G series, This TV, therefore, will be our trial product to see if market will accept the 110 volt TV. We will sell this TV while awaiting the arrival of the asian version. :D
Ok, I'm not easily floored by a new T.V simply because I've nearly seen them all. From the LCD wonder Sony X to the plasma PY800 and even down the line to the now humbled but still well performing Sammy 32A550.
What can I say about the G10?
MARVELOUS, FANTASTIC, THE MOST BEUTIFUL PANNY PLASMA I'VE SEEN! Darn, I almost forgot I had a new T.V being delivered today. Everything, my wife said about the G10 when she was in the U.S holds true, and I think she was still pulling punches with her observations.
Here is what I've seen so far:
-No I.R's, really, none.
-The Phosphor lag was not seen, but this needs another careful look
-Blu-Ray playback and picture defenition comes off without a hitch.
I'll be more specific with these things tomorrow. Hold one for me Vic! It's a toss coin between the larger 65PY800 and this model.
Cool unit, very cool! My only gripe is that it's 110v :'(
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Cool unit, very cool! My only gripe is that it's 110v :'(
G series has exhaust fans, right?
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Ok, I'm not easily floored by a new T.V simply because I've nearly seen them all. From the LCD wonder Sony X to the plasma PY800 and even down the line to the now humbled but still well performing Sammy 32A550.
What can I say about the G10?
MARVELOUS, FANTASTIC, THE MOST BEUTIFUL PANNY PLASMA I'VE SEEN! Darn, I almost forgot I had a new T.V being delivered today. Everything, my wife said about the G10 when she was in the U.S holds true, and I think she was still pulling punches with her observations.
Here is what I've seen so far:
-No I.R's, really, none.
-The Phosphor lag was not seen, but this needs another careful look
-Blu-Ray playback and picture defenition comes off without a hitch.
I'll be more specific with these things tomorrow. Hold one for me Vic! It's a toss coin between the larger 65PY800 and this model.
Cool unit, very cool! My only gripe is that it's 110v :'(
Dang... Tempting... ::)
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Cool unit, very cool! My only gripe is that it's 110v :'(
How big of a gripe is that? I'm sure, as a TV tech enthusiast you have transformers, surge protectors, line conditioners to protect all your precious AV gear. :)
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How big of a gripe is that? I'm sure, as a TV tech enthusiast you have transformers, surge protectors, line conditioners to protect all your precious AV gear. :)
Not the biggest deal in the world but If you can have something on 220v already, why not? Anyway, I'm still open for this G10.
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OT : I also would prefer a uniform 220V ..... no energy wasting transformers ..... and kahit papano hindi magkakaruon ng chance na masaksak yung 110 sa 220V :) kahit anung ingat pa natin siyempre accident happens.
Bakit kasi ayaw nila gumawa ng autovolt nalang >:( >:( >:( >:( mas cheaper pa sa production cost kesa maintain ka different parts inventory for different market.
volume is money ;D
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Bakit kasi ayaw nila gumawa ng autovolt nalang >:( >:( >:( >:(
Iyan ang nakakapagtaka sa mga US appliances.
In the 1970s, Japan-made appliances already had a voltage selector switch, with 110v, 120v, 220v, & 240v options. For safety, you need to use a coin to be able to select the setting. US-made appliances at the time were fixed at 110v only, no selectable voltage.
In the 1990s, Japan-made appliances were already auto-volt. US-made appliances were still fixed at 110v; no auto-volt, not even a manually selectable switch. Same situation until today.
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Iyan ang nakakapagtaka sa mga US appliances.
Probably because the US has the best of what they want and they don't need to import anything from other countries, lalo na electronics. Bihira talaga ang mga 220v dun.
Sa Japan, hindi ba karamihan, 100v?
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Probably because the US has the best of what they want and they don't need to import anything from other countries, lalo na electronics. Bihira talaga ang mga 220v dun.
Sa Japan, hindi ba karamihan, 100v?
yup japan domestic models are 100v ...yung export model lang at mga portable devices (laptops) ang 220v or auto-volt
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In the 1990s, Japan-made appliances were already auto-volt. US-made appliances were still fixed at 110v; no auto-volt, not even a manually selectable switch. Same situation until today.
No not all. I already handle some high end sony lcd models like the kdl52xbr9 which have a power requirement of AC 120-240 volts.
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665746306 (http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665746306)
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OT question:
is the power consumption for 110v lower than that of the 220v counterpart?
im just wondering if this is the reason why US opted to stick with 110v, since afaik voltage x amp = power consumption (tama ba?)
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OT question:
is the power consumption for 110v lower than that of the 220v counterpart?
im just wondering if this is the reason why US opted to stick with 110v, since afaik voltage x amp = power consumption (tama ba?)
No. It only means the flow of current is higher kaya dapat mas mataba ang cables. The utility company is charging you for the kWh consumed and not on either the voltage or the current flow only. Mas safe and mas mura ang distribution ng 220-240V (kaya mas wise talaga ang Europeans sa power systems - hehehe). In the US, some utility companies are upping their distribution voltage up to around 139V para makatipid. Ang pag malalaki na ang loads, they use 220V or higher - they can tap 220V from the distribution line.
Why the Americans decided to adopt that standard? Well they just have too much pride to copy the better European standards...para ring colored TV system.
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OT question:
is the power consumption for 110v lower than that of the 220v counterpart?
im just wondering if this is the reason why US opted to stick with 110v, since afaik voltage x amp = power consumption (tama ba?)
120 volts na pala sa U.S., not 110 volts: http://users.telenet.be/worldstandards/electricity.htm
This one looks like a good answer:
The system of three-phase alternating current electrical generation and distribution was invented by a nineteenth century creative genius named Nicola Tesla. He made many careful calculations and measurements and found out that 60 Hz (Hertz, cycles per second) was the best frequency for alternating current (AC) power generating. He preferred 240 volts, which put him at odds with Thomas Edison, whose direct current (DC) systems were 110 volts. Perhaps Edison had a useful point in the safety factor of the lower voltage, but DC couldn't provide the power to a distance that AC could.
When the German company AEG built the first European generating facility, its engineers decided to fix the frequency at 50 Hz, because the number 60 didn't fit the metric standard unit sequence (1,2,5). At that time, AEG had a virtual monopoly and their standard spread to the rest of the continent. In Britain, differing frequencies proliferated, and only after World War II was the 50-cycle standard established.
However that might have been a mistake! Not only is 50 Hz 20% less effective in generation, it is 10 - 15% less efficient in transmission and requires up to 30% larger windings and magnetic core materials in transformer construction. Electric motors are much less efficient at the lower frequency, and must also be made more robust to handle the electrical losses and the extra heat generated. Today, only a handful of countries (Antigua, Guyana, Peru, the Philippines, South Korea and the Leeward Islands) follow Tesla's advice and use the 60 Hz frequency together with a voltage of 220 - 240 V.
Originally Europe was 120 V too, just like Japan and the US today. It has been deemed necessary to increase voltage to get more power with less losses and voltage drop from the same copper wire diameter. At the time the US also wanted to change but because of the cost involved to replace all electric appliances, they decided not to. At the time (1950s-1960s) the average US household already had a fridge, a washing-machine, etc., but not in Europe.
The end result is that now it may seem, to some people, that the US has not evolved from the 1950s and 1960s, and still copes with problems as light bulbs that burn out rather quickly when they are close to the transformer (too high a voltage), or just the other way round: not enough voltage at the end of the line. (105 to 127 volt spread!).
wiki.answers.com (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_are_different_household_AC_electrical_power_mains_voltages_and_frequencies_used_in_the_various_countries_around_the_world)
Panahon pa pala nina Edison at Tesla, may format war na :P
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If such is the case, masmadali bang masira ang mga 120v appliances vs. 220v?
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Hindi naman sir, pareho lang yan. 60 Hz frequency din naman.
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well ang akin it doesnt make economic sense na mag maintain ng 2 or 3 types of power supply for one common product. like Tv for instance :) let sya they maintain 50,000 pcs for each kind ... e di mahal yung procurement nila nung inventory na yun per item ...
pero kung they maintain 150,000 pcs of same item .... i am certain mas mura siya sa cost :)
sorry sa off topc hihihi .....
how does 32C10 compare sa 32x10 na lcd? :)
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Question:
My PY800, S10 and C10 have X.V color? Now, what does this actually do?
Thanks.
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x.v. Color is "xvYCC" ("Extended-gamut YCC"), a Color Space for video. "x.v.Color" is Sony's name for "xvYCC".
It's a new standard published by the IEC in 2006, a color space that supports a gamut twice as large as that of the sRGB color space, allowing the creation of deeper colors/hues. A mechanism for carrying the gamut boundary definition for xvYCC was defined in the HDMI 1.3 spec.
Now, what does this actually do?
As far as I know --- nothing. :D
If your TV has x.v.Color, it means that the xvYCC color space is supported. But that's the hardware, not the video content.
Blu ray and HD-DVD specs do not support xvYCC/x.v.Color and/or Deep Color. Since there's no home video format that uses it, then it serves no other purpose than extreme future-proofing, if you're one of those who believe that there's actually such a thing as "future-proof" ;).
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x.v. Color is "xvYCC" ("Extended-gamut YCC"), a Color Space for video. "x.v.Color" is Sony's name for "xvYCC".
It's a new standard published by the IEC in 2006, a color space that supports a gamut twice as large as that of the sRGB color space, allowing the creation of deeper colors/hues. A mechanism for carrying the gamut boundary definition for xvYCC was defined in the HDMI 1.3 spec.
As far as I know --- nothing. :D
If your TV has x.v.Color, it means that the xvYCC color space is supported. But that's the hardware, not the video content.
Blu ray and HD-DVD specs do not support xvxYCC/x.v.Color and/or Deep Color. Since there's no home video format that uses it, then it serves no other purpose than extreme future-proofing, if you're one of those who believe that there's actually such a thing as "future-proof" ;).
Useless P.O.S :D :D :D Just kidding=)
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Anybody have any reviews on the x10 lcd? I'm also considering this TV.
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just got a new toy... panny 32x10
so far so good... audio is just like watching a movie (according to my wife). color is right... nung nagplay ako ng dvd using composite connection, di ko nagustuhan yung picture quality (will comment pag nakakuha na ako ng s-video cable, walang component out). tried popcorn hour. i noticed that dumidilim siya habang nagaaccess ang pch. pero after a while, nawala na yung ganyang behavior.
sa susunod na lang yung other review pag nakahiram ako ng BD player, laptop, and console game.
only comment? still have to figure out the menu. nasanay kasi ako sa sony eh... ;D
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just got a new toy... panny 32x10
so far so good... audio is just like watching a movie (according to my wife). color is right... nung nagplay ako ng dvd using composite connection, di ko nagustuhan yung picture quality (will comment pag nakakuha na ako ng s-video cable, walang component out). tried popcorn hour. i noticed that dumidilim siya habang nagaaccess ang pch. pero after a while, nawala na yung ganyang behavior.
sa susunod na lang yung other review pag nakahiram ako ng BD player, laptop, and console game.
only comment? still have to figure out the menu. nasanay kasi ako sa sony eh... ;D
Thanks... any comments on standard TV broadcast?
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Thanks... any comments on standard TV broadcast?
Actually, we are using this TV for standard TV broadcast and we are quite satisfied with this TV in this area. Definitely, expect noise especially during dark scenes (maybe due to our cable signal) but at a certain viewing distance it won't be that noticeable. Color and contrast is quite good at dynamic mode since I find the other modes too dim for my taste for cable. The only thing I do not like with this TV is its black level when watching lights off. Its bluish tinge is just too evident at dark scenes.
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Actually, we are using this TV for standard TV broadcast and we are quite satisfied with this TV in this area. Definitely, expect noise especially during dark scenes (maybe due to our cable signal) but at a certain viewing distance it won't be that noticeable. Color and contrast is quite good at dynamic mode since I find the other modes too dim for my taste for cable. The only thing I do not like with this TV is its black level when watching lights off. Its bluish tinge is just too evident at dark scenes.
kung noise lang, sinet ko sa maximum yung noise reduction.
tried playing pch kanina, same behavior din (dumidilim siya while accessing a file). bakit kaya?
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I've been reading a lot of positive reviews for the 2009 Panasonic plasma TVs so I went to S&S this afternoon to see for myself. I've always used Sony TVs since the early Trinitron days and it will take a powerful tug to wean me away from my current SXRD rear-projector. Boss Vic of S&S kindly set up a 50" S10 for my evaluation and I was able to compare it with several units on display. I also met Carlo777 there, whose very informative reviews posted in this forum was one of the reasons why I even considered a Plasma.
To my eyes, The S10's image was softer, like watching a hi-def CRT. This contrasts with the punchy image from an LCD or even a top-shelf RPTV. I was hoping that the juddering of the image when the camera is panned had been eliminated but it seems it is still there, although attenuated somewhat. Maybe I'll wait for the G11 like Carlo777 ::)
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I've been reading a lot of positive reviews for the 2009 Panasonic plasma TVs so I went to S&S this afternoon to see for myself. I've always used Sony TVs since the early Trinitron days and it will take a powerful tug to wean me away from my current SXRD rear-projector. Boss Vic of S&S kindly set up a 50" S10 for my evaluation and I was able to compare it with several units on display. I also met Carlo777 there, whose very informative reviews posted in this forum was one of the reasons why I even considered a Plasma.
To my eyes, The S10's image was softer, like watching a hi-def CRT. This contrasts with the punchy image from an LCD or even a top-shelf RPTV. I was hoping that the juddering of the image when the camera is panned had been eliminated but it seems it is still there, although attenuated somewhat. Maybe I'll wait for the G11 like Carlo777 ::)
It was a pleasure meeting you ;)
I forgot to inform you that to eliminate judder, we need to activate the 1080p/24 option from our blu-ray and dvd player. However, the only dvd player I know off that has this function is the Toshiba XDE500.
Happy hunting and hope to see you again soon.
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I've been reading a lot of positive reviews for the 2009 Panasonic plasma TVs so I went to S&S this afternoon to see for myself. I've always used Sony TVs since the early Trinitron days and it will take a powerful tug to wean me away from my current SXRD rear-projector. Boss Vic of S&S kindly set up a 50" S10 for my evaluation and I was able to compare it with several units on display. I also met Carlo777 there, whose very informative reviews posted in this forum was one of the reasons why I even considered a Plasma.
To my eyes, The S10's image was softer, like watching a hi-def CRT. This contrasts with the punchy image from an LCD or even a top-shelf RPTV. I was hoping that the juddering of the image when the camera is panned had been eliminated but it seems it is still there, although attenuated somewhat. Maybe I'll wait for the G11 like Carlo777 ::)
Welcome to Sights and Sounds! Wow, you are also a good observer. With critical eyes, you too will become a great reviewer like Carlo777. :D
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@BongC36
carlo told me you met him daw yesterday=) did you buy the S10 or will you wait for the g11 like what he is doing ;)
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I actually had the cash for the S10 with with me when I went to S&S yesterday but now I think I will wait for Carlo's evaluation of the new model. ;)
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I actually had the cash for the S10 with with me when I went to S&S yesterday but now I think I will wait for Carlo's evaluation of the new model. ;)
wokie that will be around friday late, if the g11 comes in on wed or thur per s&s target ;)
also, carlo told me you were concerned with "judder" is there a particular movie daw you want us to use?
see yah!
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Ah so I have another week to wait then, hehe. It's really good for the rest of us that there are early adopters like you and Carlo777 who are willing to try out the new stuff then honestly share their experiences.
What I mean by judders, for lack of a more technical terms, is the rapid freezing of a frame, in little incremental steps, when a camera shooting a wide scene is quickly panned across. Old CRT's, and films, of course don't have it, but all LCDs that I've seen so far suffer from it.
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Ah so I have another week to wait then, hehe. It's really good for the rest of us that there are early adopters like you and Carlo777 who are willing to try out the new stuff then honestly share their experiences.
What I mean by judders, for lack of a more technical terms, is the rapid freezing of a frame, in little incremental steps, when a camera shooting a wide scene is quickly panned across. Old CRT's, and films, of course don't have it, but all LCDs that I've seen so far suffer from it.
yup around a week , on thur i'll be at s&s to look at the g11 again ;)
hope to see you guys soon=)
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Professional review from Singapore: Panasonic 50-inch TH-P50V11S plasma:
(http://www.hardwarezone.com/img/data/articles/2009/2991/OneSheet.jpg)
Panasonic VIERA 50-inch V-series Plasma TV
By Andy Sim
Published by Vijay Anand on Monday, 7th September, 2009
Rating : 4.5 out of 5 stars
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?id=2991&cid=11&pg=1
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Professional review from Singapore: Panasonic 50-inch TH-P50V11S plasma:
(http://www.hardwarezone.com/img/data/articles/2009/2991/OneSheet.jpg)
Panasonic VIERA 50-inch V-series Plasma TV
By Andy Sim
Published by Vijay Anand on Monday, 7th September, 2009
Rating : 4.5 out of 5 stars
http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/view.php?id=2991&cid=11&pg=1
We'll be setting up office in Singapore next week, and I'll see if I can spare time to check out the V11 ;D