Hi Guys,
Hope somebody would do a review of the new Panny 42C10.
Was looking for a 42PV80 but units were sold-out already.
The 42C10 might be a cheaper alternative to the 42PX10.
Comparison of the C10 to the PV80 & PX10 would be much appreciated, too.
42C10 at a glance:
TV Type: Plasma
Diagonal Screen Size: 42 inches
Aspect Ratio: 16:9
Resolution: 1024 x 768
Contrast Ratio: 2,000,000:1
Features:
600 hz sub-field drive
SD card slot
Viera link
x.v color-ready
1080p24 input-ready
2x hdmi inputs
v-audio surround
optical av output
Dimensions: 661 x 1029 x 100 mm
Weight: 26 kg
Approx Php50K
Hi Carlo777/Comitatus,
Truly appreciate your reviews.
Hope the 42C10 merits a review from you guys, too!
Regards to all PDVDers!
magkano price range nito jeff? thanks!
ako rin waiting for a local pdvd review.
here's what i've found on the net recently comparing the x10 and c10
http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-televisions/992493-tx-p42x10-tx-p42c10.html
sir bat parang di maganda review d2 sa net. masyado daw reflective walang "Natural Vision FilterAR". e hanggang 50K lang budget ko for plasma tv..... wahh di ko na alam bibilin ko tuloy. wala na nga pv80 tapos dami negative review pa sa C10....
guru's what's your comment on this.... thanks!
magkano price range nito jeff? thanks!ano nga ba price range nito? ty!
Thanks Carlo!
Looking forward to your review!
If you dont know much about TVs and dont know what to look for, then Carlo777 will help you. His reviews are all about what to look for when you are aiming for your dream TV. There is so much advice here. He gives tips on what to look for when inspecting a TV, things to do on a test drive and so on. Written in simple to understand format, I highly recommend everyone to read his review before you make your final TV purchase. Comprehensive advice. :D
What exactly is the difference of this from the X series? Kasi almost 20k price difference between the two.
Regarding "reflectiveness", how does the C10 compares with the PV80 or the X10?
I understand it does not have the AR feature.
:)
ako rin waiting for a local pdvd review.
here's what i've found on the net recently comparing the x10 and c10
http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-televisions/992493-tx-p42x10-tx-p42c10.html
Reading the comparison in this avsforum made me fall asleep... There's no need to go thru all 12 pages of it.. Instead of the usual detailed comparison of features and reviews, it just boiled down to a "screen reflection issue" debate between the 2 models...
I was just reading thread, and yes it seems to veer towards the reflection issue of the C10. My advise for people who are interested in the model, would be to check the unit out for yourselves and see if the lack of the A.R feature is acceptable for you.
Do take note I was never bothered by plasma's screen reflection, even way back with my first encounter with a plasma, which was a very "reflective" panny px500.
Likewise sir with my older pv70 ;)
Sure Carlo, Ill pm the settings to you maybe this afternoon :)
Pm sent! ;)
angat ko lang. wala pa po ba review sa mga nakabili na?
any reviews sa mga nakabili na ng c10?
I upgraded from Panasonic 42PV8 to 42C10. Parang lumiit yung screen maybe because of the slim frame compared to the 42pv8 na malaki yung frame. Regarding with the performance . Cant really tell hwat's the difference because they're both picture perfect when matching mkv files.
plasma din ba bro ang C series? is this the counterpart of PV8 and PV7? and the X series is the PV80/70?Yes boss plasma din sya..dapat nga kukunin ko is 42LZ because Full HD sya..pero ayaw ni commander..hari lang ako...alas sya..mas gusto nya PQ ng C10 ::)
thanks!
i did a side by side comparison between the lz80 and c10 at SnS before purchasing the latter. hands down walang sinabi yung lz80, especially sa SD content. plus the frame of the c10 is way classier!
Konting push pa ng budget, mas magandang deal yung 65K na PY800. Sayang tong chance na to mga kaibigan!!!!
full HD na kya ito? matanong ko lang ksi, i'm actually saving up in purchasing a tvpara mapalitan yung 32lx80. now i don't know yet kung woth it ba yung lz80 (full hd) or ito kunin ko or save more para sa full HD plasma. i'm still confused about the HD ready and Full HD advantages. hope you guys can help me out here
eventually ksi lilipat at bibili din ako ng dedicated blu-ray player at ps3 as well. at syempre gusto ko na ng tv na ika-nga bang for the buck (with features i need intact)
tia
full HD na kya ito? matanong ko lang ksi, i'm actually saving up in purchasing a tvpara mapalitan yung 32lx80. now i don't know yet kung woth it ba yung lz80 (full hd) or ito kunin ko or save more para sa full HD plasma. i'm still confused about the HD ready and Full HD advantages. hope you guys can help me out here
eventually ksi lilipat at bibili din ako ng dedicated blu-ray player at ps3 as well. at syempre gusto ko na ng tv na ika-nga bang for the buck (with features i need intact)
tia
based on the calibration done at SnS, here is the recommended setting:
NORMAL
contrast 68
brightness +1
color +45
sharpness +51
tint +1
color balance Warm
color management Off
xV color Off
PY800 is FULL HD Plasma. Definitely higher grade than the new C or X series.
If you dont know much about TVs and dont know what to look for, then Carlo777 will help you. His reviews are all about what to look for when you are aiming for your dream TV. There is so much advice here. He gives tips on what to look for when inspecting a TV, things to do on a test drive and so on. Written in simple to understand format, I highly recommend everyone to read his review before you make your final TV purchase. Comprehensive advice. :Dagree...thumbs up to carlo777..i'm one of his apprentice about flat tv's...he helps me a lot to decide what tv to purchase...may the force be with you!!! 8) 8) 8)
based on the calibration done at SnS, here is the recommended setting:
NORMAL
contrast 68
brightness +1
color +45
sharpness +51
tint +1
color balance Warm
color management Off
xV color Off
Bakit kaya wala tong PIP??
question lang sa mga guru's...whats the brand name and model number of your upscaler?
pano po mag-upscale ng dvd videos sa panasonic plama tv to 720 and 1080? di ko kasi sya makita sa manual and remote e. kapag pinipindot ko kasi ang display eh laging 480 lang ang lumalabas. may dapat po bang i-set sa tv? please help.
i'm trying to check kasi kung ano ang mas magandang mag-upscale between dvd player and the pana 42C10.
thanks!
question lang sa mga guru's...
pano po mag-upscale ng dvd videos sa panasonic plama tv to 720 and 1080? di ko kasi sya makita sa manual and remote e. kapag pinipindot ko kasi ang display eh laging 480 lang ang lumalabas. may dapat po bang i-set sa tv? please help.
i'm trying to check kasi kung ano ang mas magandang mag-upscale between dvd player and the pana 42C10.
thanks!
Bro imo the display is the signal fr source, any signal fr video source is upscaled automatically b d tv to its native reso.
Sabi sa avforums (UK) parehong-pareho lang daw, except for very minor differences such as eco mode, surround-sound simulation, side HDMI input, and PC input.
Ang pinagtatalunan talaga nila yung anti-reflective coating lang, na meron daw sa X10, pero wala sa C10.
Sabi ni sir Carlo777, kahit may anti-reflective coating ang X10, reflective pa rin, so no big deal naman ang issue.
Sa akin naman, mas reflective talaga ang C10, pero duda ako kung talaga ngang walang AR sa C10. Sa tingin ko, may AR din ang C10, pero yung old version lang. Mas bagong version yung AR ng X10 kaya mas nabawasan ang reflections.
But it's hard to confirm, since Panasonic does not publish clear AR differences in their specs.
Baka nga mas maganda pa ang AR ng C10, kasi pag nasobrahan sa AR, nagkakaroon ng epekto sa picture.
Parang LCD ng laptop monitor. Yung mga BrightView (glossy) mas malinaw ang picture; yung mga ordinary screens mas malabo. Yung mga high-end Samsung LCD TVs, mas malinaw yung mga glossy screens sa mga regular non-reflective screens.
However, others say it's just a matter of personal preference.
Popular Mechanics on gloss vs matte LCD monitors:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/how_to/4213062.html
Hello,
I'm interested in the 42PV80 but since wala na ata stock, baka yung 42C10 nalang. If ever I purchase this, it will be used for HD/DVD and cable viewing only. I have a Samsung 40A650 LCD. I'm just wondering how this will compete with the Samsung 40A650?
Hello Boss Vic and Boss Jeff,
Can you send pricelist for the 40 inches and above for Plasma TVs?
Thanks!
thanks sa inputs mga gurus! Sige mukhang sa C10 nalang ako if the PQ is basically the same! sayang din ang additional P15T, I usually watch in the dark naman so not a major issue ang new AR coating ng X10.
Boss M@v3r1ck,
I don't have a C10, but do have a 40A650 and a PV80/800. I made a comparison between the PY800 and the A650, I'll look for the link and post it here, for reference lang.
POST UPDATE:
Here it is:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=89925.30
Thanks Master Carlo! hahaha. Bilis sumagot. I 'm also thinking about the 50C10. But I believe that it's only HD Ready (1024x768) and I heard that you can only see the difference of HD Ready and Full HD if the screen is beyond 40 inches. Is this true? Or Maganda pa din ang quality kahit HD ready lang kapag 50 inches? Thanks in advance!=)
Question lang about the "cross pattern" that is supposed to be a result of an anti-reflective coating. With or without it, I can't really distinguish the "level" of anti-reflection, for me they look very similar. Would we say that it was not really effective?
Kamusta naman yung level of reflection ng plasma nila?
Iba ang dating ng 50 inches sir! Baka nga mag 50 na din ako :D :D :D
When comparing reflectivity, look at the sharpness and brightness of the reflected image.
Yes, I think they're not very effective. Reflectivity reduction is very slight, yet side-effects are visible.
On the PV8, users usually see the cross-hatch pattern only when the TV is off. But I've read one foreign forum post saying that he sometimes sees cross-hatch patterns while the TV is on, but only during very dark scenes.
My 2006 EDTV is very reflective.
In fact, the reflections are so bad that I initially thought there was no anti reflective coating at all.
But I suspected there was a small amount of AR because I noticed that the ambient reflections on the wall clock hanging above my TV was much worse. On the wall clock, reflections are very sharp; on the TV, reflections are more diffuse and blurred.
I confirmed the presence of AR when I googled for additional descriptions. For example, the following linked page says, "Features: Video noise reduction, Q-link, anti-reflection coating, Real MACH system, Real Black Drive System ".
http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/plasma-tv/panasonic-th-42pa60/
The good part is that my screen has absolutely no cross-hatch patterns.
Bosing, I'm now seriously considering a 50C10. ;)
mga sir malaki po ba lamang ng c10 sa pv80? kasi merong available na 50pv80 sa sm 18mos zero interest php90,900. magandang deal na po ba to? kasi yung 50c10 php97,080 kaso 12mos to pay lang. pls help. tnx
Nope bossing, the difference is not miles apart and you could try our sellers here namely Theatreworks or Sights and Sounds. Send a pm to Nemesis or e-reply they could give you reasonable prices.
tnx sir. di na po kasi available sa kanila yung pv80 puro c10 na lang po available. mahal po ba sa php90,900 yung 50pv80? medyo natutukso na po ako kasi 18mos to pay.
I haven't seen a direct comparison of this 42C10 to the X10 series. P15T kasi ang difference. I am thinking if sulit yung value added features ng X10 to this one. Will just view SD DVD, SkyCable Digibox (notHD) and egreat movies, not so much Xbox/PS3 gaming. For this purpose same lang C10 and X10?
ano ba talaga mas ok 50pv80 or 50c10? pls help....
just got a 50c10 from TW trinoma, ganda ng piq quality sulit! Thanks sir Carlo for the feedback on this unit.
Question lang po, kelangan pa po ba ulit i burn in to? Kindly share your setting for egreat movies pls. tnx!!!
just got a 50c10 from TW trinoma, ganda ng piq quality sulit! Thanks sir Carlo for the feedback on this unit.
Question lang po, kelangan pa po ba ulit i burn in to? Kindly share your setting for egreat movies pls. tnx!!!
Is there any shop that has the 50C10 on display?wow bro, jumping to 50" ? ;D
This afternoon, I went to Sights & Sounds and Listening in Style at Shang, then to Theaterworks Trinoma. None of them had the 50C10 on display.
Hello People,
If you were to choose between 42c10 and 42PV80, what will you choose?
Thanks! :)
wow bro, jumping to 50" ? ;D
i have no plans for upgrade this year but if you do, ill follow ;) (prolly by december '09)
Sa naexperience ko sa PV series namin, burn in prone siya but not to the extent na IR. Hopefully di mangyari ang IR sa unit namin.
Sir, mas worse ang burn in (permanent), ang IR (temporary lang)...
Sir, mas worse ang burn in (permanent), ang IR (temporary lang)...
oh sorry, got confused between the two. May IR pa rin ang PV series even after the break in period sa unit. So is this issue really much less with the new gen models?
Is there any shop that has the 50C10 on display?
This afternoon, I went to Sights & Sounds and Listening in Style at Shang, then to Theaterworks Trinoma. None of them had the 50C10 on display.
When comparing reflectivity, look at the sharpness and brightness of the reflected image.
Yes, I think they're not very effective. Reflectivity reduction is very slight, yet side-effects are visible.
On the PV8, users usually see the cross-hatch pattern only when the TV is off. But I've read one foreign forum post saying that he sometimes sees cross-hatch patterns while the TV is on, but only during very dark scenes.
My 2006 EDTV is very reflective.
In fact, the reflections are so bad that I initially thought there was no anti reflective coating at all.
But I suspected there was a small amount of AR because I noticed that the ambient reflections on the wall clock hanging above my TV was much worse. On the wall clock, reflections are very sharp; on the TV, reflections are more diffuse and blurred.
I confirmed the presence of AR when I googled for additional descriptions. For example, the following linked page says, "Features: Video noise reduction, Q-link, anti-reflection coating, Real MACH system, Real Black Drive System ".
http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/plasma-tv/panasonic-th-42pa60/
The good part is that my screen has absolutely no cross-hatch patterns.
Bosing, I'm now seriously considering a 50C10. ;)
i know this doesn't sound like a very bright idea, but i've been trying very very hard to produce image-retention, through ps3 gaming and watching with my egreat m34a (black bars). and i have, as of yet, been unable to do so. none whatsoever. i did go through the 100-hour burn in ritual before attempting this of course.
a bummer for me is that i have realized that my eyes are apparently very sensitive to the infamous green phospors. i see them floating around even when the screen is blank/empty and all black :P
I think it will be fine in my case bacause our living room is not really well lit. In my current setup, the windows with curtains are located on the right side and not directly in front of the tv screen so there are only minimal reflections. :)
You have a 42C10? That's very useful information, sir. I'm sure sir kalash appreciates the info too.
OK lang yan, sir. You'll get used to it after some time.
Pag tumagal yan, parang hindi mo na rin napapansin. And on the very few instances when you do notice, you won't mind it very much anymore.
I'm actually glad that more members are now noticing phosphor lag. 2 years ago, I was the only one mentioning it, and my phosphor lag posts came and went without any comments from other members.
Other users in foreign forums have suggested that phosphor lag decreases as the unit gets more and more broken-in. But I don't buy it. Nasanay lang ang mata nila, pero hindi naman talaga nabawasan ang phosphor lag.
In my case, I won't buy a higher-end plasma until after they resolve the phosphor lag issue.
I think I mistakenly attributed the phospor issues to my egreat m34a ...
Phosphor Lag:
Seems like the S10, with a new panel has the clear advantage here, with those pesky green trails kept to a bare minimum, with the PY800 I could easily see those green ghosts while playing a vicious FPS game on my PS3. With the S10, I could still see it, but with some degree of effort already.
Ignorance is truly bliss, eh? :D
a bit OT. Its upgrading time for me, I'll be coming from a 32 inc lcd 1080i samsung. I am quite impressed with the 42pv80 when I auditioned it. I heard 42c10 is also good and is now seriously considering it.
Naisip ko lang, since I will be upgrading why not go up a notch to 50 inch. BUT 50c10 is 85K vs 42c10 at 43K, thats almost double the price at 8 inch gain. I haven't audioned the 50c10 but I am thinking, will it the bigger screen justifies the 40K++ increase in price?
what are your thoughts on this guys?
I haven't audioned the 50c10 but I am thinking, will the bigger screen justify the 40K++ increase in price?
what are your thoughts on this guys?
Is there any shop that has the 50C10 on display?
This afternoon, I went to Sights & Sounds and Listening in Style at Shang, then to Theaterworks Trinoma. None of them had the 50C10 on display.
Hello Sir, we still have not displayed the new 50C10 because of many units of TH50PV80, which we need to liquidate and dispose.
You should have ask the staff to show you the 50C10. We have around 6 units 50C10 that are kept in adjacent shop Paradigm Showroom. My staff can direct you to the Paradigm Showroom to audition this TV. :)
Lagi kasing kinakamusta ng in-law ko kung binebenta ko na raw ang old TV ko. :D Sabi ko, benta ko sa kanya pag may nagustuhan akong 50-inch na bago.ill prolly get a 720p variant if the price difference is over 10k.
OK yata ang G10, but I lost interest nung nalaman kong may exhaust fans pala.
Next, pinag-isipan ko ang S10, but I also lost interest after boss Carlo's comments. Ang lumalabas ay malabo yata ang image ng SD DVD sa 1080p sets.
Next, 50X10 naman kaya. Hindi 1080p native ito; 1366 x 768 lang. Pero wala pang available, e.
50C10 na lang kaya? Available na, pero wala naman akong makitang display set na puwedeng pang-audition.
50PV80 na lang kaya? ??? Kaya lang, takot ako e ... IR-prone daw ang 11th generation 2008 series. :-\
regarding IR on 2008 series, i dont know if im just too blind to see it or i just know how to take care of my unit ;D
to be honest, i feel stupid everytime im ... leaving it on pause for 30 minutes then watching again without noticing any IR. :-\
Suwerte ka siguro sir. Baka maganda talaga ang unit mo. Meron talagang PV na sobrang bilis daw magkaroon ng IR, even after a 100-hour break-in.remember my 24 hour whitewash burn in procedure ;D
Pause for 30 minutes? ... Scary ... :oyeah bro 30 minutes paused
Bilib ako sa yo, bosing ... you have nerves of steel! :o
If you really want the bigger screen area and money isn't a problem then 50-inchers are the way to go.
Otherwise I'd stick with one or two 42-inchers.
a bit OT. Its upgrading time for me, I'll be coming from a 32 inc lcd 1080i samsung. I am quite impressed with the 42pv80 when I auditioned it. I heard 42c10 is also good and is now seriously considering it.
Naisip ko lang, since I will be upgrading why not go up a notch to 50 inch. BUT 50c10 is 85K vs 42c10 at 43K, thats almost double the price at 8 inch gain. I haven't audioned the 50c10 but I am thinking, will the bigger screen justify the 40K++ increase in price?
what are your thoughts on this guys?
No, the P40K+ price is not justified. For a mere 20% increase in diagonal size, you have to pay 100% more.
I suspect that for 50-inchers and higher models, mark-up is higher than for the low-end 42.
If you want the best value for your money, get the lowest-end 42-incher. Maliit na lang siguro ang kinikita nila para sa ganyang model.
I asked about the 50C10 at Ansons Landmark. Around P90K+. I asked for a price-match at P85K. Ok daw at P85K, basta cash. Then I asked if they can price-match the 42C10 at P43K. Hindi daw kaya, kahit cash pa.
Pero wala namang masama sa ganoong pricing. Legitimate marketing and pricing strategy lang yan.
Actually kung ganyan ang prices, better pa bumili na lang tayo ng 50 inches sa local market. 42 inches malayo pero at 50 inches, pareho na safer ka pa sa warranty. Downside lang is that our friendly PDVD stores are more knowledgeable.
Hopefully mababaan yung prices ng gray 50 inch units to be consistent with the lower price of the smaller units.
Yes I think the price is really not justified. In the US for example, the 42X1 is $800 (P38,400) while the 50X1 is $1100 (P52,800). A measly difference of only P14,400!!! :oprolly because our distros priced it high, that's why our resellers here could'nt cut their price down :(
Bakit sa sellers sa atin you have to pay twice the price of the 42" to upgrade to a 50" equivalent?!? ::) >:(
Hays, kawawa naman tayong mga nagbabalak ng 50" na plasma, at their mercy na lang lagi.. :'(
prolly because our distros priced it high, that's why our resellers here could'nt cut their price down :(
im pretty sure our resellers would lower their price if the source lowers it ;)
Yep its a possiblity nga. :)
Maybe our friendly pdvd sellers could enlighten us a bit re the reason behind the huge price gap between the 42 and 50 inch plasmas. :)
In Japan 1.4x-1.7x difference between a 42V and a 50V of the same model. So hindi rin malapit.
And makers can manage to go deeper only on fast selling sizes - in plasmas case, that would be the 42V. In LCDs case, that would be 32 or 37V.
Sir clondalkin, what is the jap counterpart for the 50C10? Is it cheaper there or mahal din? Just curious.. ;D
None. They offer the X series only. They did a similar thing last year when only the PV80 (PX80) was made available to the Japanese market.
Tapos sa full HD line, we have G, V, Z and the new R series (V with built-in HDD).
Kung full HD, cheaper here but Japanese ang menus and channel frequency is not the same as that of US, Europe or Asia. Kung 720p, oks na oks yung pricing nila Vic and Jeff.
Thanks for the info sir! Grabe pala variety ng models jan that I saw sa panasonic japan website! Built in hdd pa. :o
I'm planning to upgrade kasi to a 50C10 within the year and I still dont have any hd stuff to use, just regular dvds and cable. If I were to choose between the 50C10 and the 42py800, in your opinion what is the better buy in terms of pic quality and wow factor? ::)
OT, from the displays you've seen there, di pa ren ba kayang pantayan na panny ang kuro?
If set properly, the 42PY800 should have better potential than the C series. Do note that you are comparing a new entry level model and last year's upper-mid full HD model with higher quality panel. Im not even sure if the engine of the new C series is at par with that of PY800 because the upgrade to the PY800 are the Neo PDP models. Unless you've gotten used to the smooth image rendering of a 1080p panel, you wont likely have any issues with the fine (resolution) lines that seem to mask over the image on a 720p panel - that become more apparent as you sit closer. It's the inherent limitation of the 720p panel but it's not as bad looking as my previous statement may have implied - not bad at all. The minimum viewing distance where those lines are no longer visible is not that far anyways.
Would regular DVD and cable still be your main application? 720p panels tend to be more forgiving on the quality of signal than their 1080p counterpart.
Between these 2 models. the more lasting WOW factor would likely be due to the size of the screen, thus 50 is definitely an advantage, unless, you like sitting pretty close on the TV.
The Kuro? Yes, it definitely remains the most impressive in terms of picture quality. It's pretty easy to detect the superiority of the Kuro image over that of Viera image in a store, but the price and (to a certain extent) heat level of the Kuro are both issues for me. Besides, its not at all a quandary to choose a reasonably priced very beautiful model over a very expensive "extremely" beautiful one. The Kuro is most highly recommended if you can afford it.
In terms of LCD, Sharp still sets the highest standard in Japan but for some reason, that company is not as aggressive in offering their best products outside Japan. It seems discrimatory that a company would only offer their most superior products in their own turf only. Having said that, I have to commend Sony for their efforts to reach the farthest and remotest points in the earth. And although I prefer the Aquos image over the Bravia image, I think that Sony's Motion Flow is one of the coolest effects Ive ever seen on an HDTV - I'm actually wishing something similar can be implemented on a plasma.
Will wait for your impressions/review again Carlo! Planning to get this unit if the 42LZ80 won't be available anytime soon.
Carlo,
When I saw the 42c10 beside a Samsung Plasma, I noticed that the C10's screen looked darker. Even when we adjusted the brightness, that didn't seem to help. When it was beside a PV80 in another appliance store, same thing and the colors seemed more saturated than the PV80. I saw more details in the PV80. I just don't know if it had to do with the cable or settings. My dad, who's going to use it, liked the C10, though. hehehe
... I liked the price E-reply gave me for the 50pv70, but is the 50pv70 still a good buy 2 years after being introduced? I can't seem to find much recent info on pv70, is it true that this model has no hdmi input? ...any issues on this model? sorry for hi-jacking this thread a bit.
I saw a 42S10 and 50C10 side by side at SM Makati.
Unfortunately, the audition was not very useful. That's because the 42S10 used a composite cable connection, believe it or not :P. But the 50 C10 used an HDMI cable connection.
Both units were dispaying a Panny BD demo disc simultaneously. The 42S10 looked blurry, while the 50C10 looked OK.
I requested a demo of the compressed single-layer SD DVD-R that I brought with me. Same result. 42S10 was blurry; 50C10 looked OK.
Anyway, at least nakita ko rin ang 50C10 in the flesh and in action. Maybe the 50C10 would look better in a darker room and after some calibration.
Mahal pa rin sa SM, so I decided to close the deal for a 50C10 at Ansons Landmark at P85K. Promised delivery is tomorrow.
Kung sa porma lang externally, mas pogi pa rin ang PV80. The rounded edges of the C10 make it look cheap.
Nice! I'm also waiting for the delivery of a 42C10.
Maybe, the blurry picture was the effect of the composite connection?
I'm one of the many members waiting for another review from you. ;)
Yes, definitely. That was what I meant.
Because of that composite connection, I had no way of fairly comparing the 2 models, even if they were already side by side.
I requested the sales guy to connect the 42S10 with HDMI. Sabi niya, wala daw siyang extra HDMI cable, baka next week magkaroon. :P
Really annoying. I mean, who would demo a 1080p TV with a composite cable connection? :( ??? >:(
Baka mahal na talaga ang mga HDMI cord :D
Sir, what was the "deciding" factor that made you go C10 over the X10,S10 and even PV80?
Panasonic Phil. is doing a lousy job of marketing their plasmas in the Philippines.
When I was at SM Makati, the Panny plasmas were easily the worst-looking TVs on the showroom floor.
No kidding. :(
1. PV80 or PV8 - Takot ako sa IR e :-[. Some users say they don't have IR issues; some say IR appears too quickly.
2. S10 - It's 1080p, but I intend to avoid BD and stick to SD DVD for a long time. Many U.S. forum posters say that for SD DVD, 768p plasmas perform better than 1080p plasmas. When you posted here that your S10 does not display SD DVD images well, I decided to cancel it from my short list.
3. X10 - It's 768p, so it must be great for SD DVD. But I can't find it anywhere, and I don't think it will be available in the Philippine market any time soon. So that's the end of the X models for me.
4. C10 - Also 768p. Same panel and specs as the X. And it's cheap. ... Puwede! ;)
Yes, definitely.
10 hours a day for 10 days = 100 hours. ;)
Nice bossing!
Will you do a break-in?
A recurring PM I get is almost always about the phosphor lag. Luckily, I still have the video I made about the lag, and took the liberty of uploading it on a Youtube account.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm63BEhHWUk
Hopefully, this will show you guys what to look for, and I'll also be taking a video of the lag on the C10, if it's as noticeable as it was on older models.
;)
I see the phospor but it did not bother me much, I'll have to see it in actual to really determine if it bothers me. :)
The 50c10 looks bigger than 42c10 by more than 8 inches to me :)
also, that 85K price at ansons.. is it cash or on credit card (installment)?
The 50 is only 8 inches bigger diagonally than a 42. But when side by side, the 42 is really dwarfed by the 50 in comparison.
Wow!! That's very eye-opening, thanks for the video Carlo.
I see the phospor but it did not bother me much, I'll have to see it in actual to really determine if it bothers me. :)
Previously, I have decided on the 42c10, but after my brief audition of the 50c10 at listening in style and seeing it next to the 42c10 got me so confused. The 50c10 looks bigger than 42c10 by more than 8 inches to me :) I really want it save for the price.
I'll be waiting for your review sir barrister. also, that 85K price at ansons.. is it cash or on credit card (installment)?
sir carlo777... is it true that pv70 has no hdmi input?
nakakatakot naman yung phosphor lag :-\
Not really sir, like I said it looks worst on video than in real life.
By the way, the T.V used for the vid is a Panny PV70. I'll re-do it with the C10/S10.
hey carlo ;D sorry di na kita natawagan last month, as i ended up buying a 42pc10 two days after our last pm conversation. :D i had a chance to get a pv8 but i like how c10 has a higher-end look with it's piano black finish and the curved bezel. i also was able to do a side by side of a 50pv80 and a 42pc10. played a 720p movie file and it SEEMED to me that the c10 was able to show more shades of black than the pv80. granted, the middle shades of blacks were more of a dark gray sometimes, but at least it theoretically can show more detail in that respect. ;) do you have an nmt? i would love to get your feedback regarding the pq of current nmt's when paired with a pana plasma. i have a theory about it but i'll wait til after you put it through it's paces so as to avoid influencing your evaluation even a little bit. ;)
oh, also, i first of course did the zoom/burn in 100 hour thing, and now have tried several times to create IR on purpose. have yet to succeed. ;D i see the phospors alot though :P
Not really sir, like I said it looks worst on video than in real life.
By the way, the T.V used for the vid is a Panny PV70. I'll re-do it with the C10/S10.
ahh i just have to see it for myself. fir the mean time i'll wait for your review on the c10 and s10. maraming salamat sa iyong kasipagan broder carlo. :)
Same here. That 50 incher is one big mother ... :o
The 50 is only 8 inches bigger diagonally than a 42. But when side by side, the 42 is really dwarfed by the 50 in comparison.
Cash only, sir.
Regular price is P90K+. I asked if they can match the SnS price at P85K, and they immediately agreed, provided I pay in cash.
Maybe I should have started haggling at P80K ? :D
Wow!! That's very eye-opening, thanks for the video Carlo.
I see the phospor but it did not bother me much, I'll have to see it in actual to really determine if it bothers me. :)
Hello guys!
Since my C10 has not yet been delivered and the fact that Vic already has a U.S G10. I asked him to hold my C10 purchase, til I get to see the G10 in action.
We live in a very difficult world ;)
Will keep you guys posted.
yes, carlo did a number of videos already with the pv70 and pv80, alam ko i also did something for the py800. we just have to upload them.
confused? :D
@barrister
Thank you for the initial impression of the C10, where you able to check the I.R?
ang kagandahan ng PV80 comapared to C10 is ung access sa SD card which in in front of the TV also includes the HDMI and composite video input and head phone and also the manual buttons ung sa C10 sa side medyo may kahirapan cause you have to look at the side of the TV instead accessing it on front at isa pa may cover compared to C10 na expose which can accumulate dust. At ung anti-reflectiveness filter nawala nga sa C10 nakakatulong ung filter in my opinion. Saka mukhang heavy duty ang construction ng PV70/80 compared to C10 in terms of raw material na ginamit....Kaya kung papansinin nyo mas mura ang starting retail price nya compared to PV70/80....Just sharing.
No IR so far.
It's safer to buy a PV80 at this point rather than a C10.
The PV80's known issues are minor, but the C10 might have major issues that we're not yet aware of.
Kung sa materials and frame design, mas maganda pa rin ang PV80 para sa akin. Mukhang cheap nga ang porma ng C10.
Hindi naman sir. Personal preference lang yan.
Mas gusto ko ang sharp edges kasi it looks sleeker to me.
Yung iba naman mas gusto ang rounded edges kasi it looks more updated. To them, sharp edges look old and boxy.
Ang katapat ng C10 ay yung PV8.
Equivalent of PV8 is C10; equivalent of PV80 is X10; equivalent of PY800 is S10. All of the higher models are new.
Dumating na mga sir. Break-in pa lang ako ngayon, aabutin ng 10 days (10 hours a day lang kasi ako mag-break-in e).
I'm happy with it so far.
First, the bad news: Hindi perfect ang screen uniformity when displaying a full-white screen. Pero slight lang naman ang imperfection, hardly noticeable even with a full-white screen on.
Otherwise, the picture is very good. Black levels are amazing (but still not Kuro-amazing ;)), and saturation is satisfying. Phosphor lag is reduced (meron pa rin, but the green trail is now very hard to see on this model).
Kuwentuhan ko kayo pag natapos ang break-in.
... how was the installation service of Panasonic Philippines? May calibration/manual channeling service ba? Did the unit come with a wall mount?
Cross-posting:
Delivery ng Ansons yon sir.
Ok naman ang delivery. Delivery date was on the date promised. Delivery guys were polite.
No wall mount. Pedestal stand only. I think a wall mount bracket would have had an additional, separate charge. But if I ordered one, they would have wall-mounted it for me for free.
No problem with installing the pedestal stand and setting it on top of my TV rack. They seemed to know what they were doing.
The problem was that they brought nothing but the TV. No philips screwdriver, no 3-prong grounding adaptor for the power cord, no PAL adaptor for the broadcast TV input.
No calibration service. OK lang, since I didn't expect it anyway.
They would have set the TV channels, if only they brought along a PAL connector that they could have sold to me. I would have gladly paid an overprice for a PAL connector and considered it a tip.
So the delivery personnel were knowledgeable?
I guess that's the advantage of our friendly stores.
Yun nga lang, peace of mind talaga ang kapalit with the local warranty.
Experience ko from long ago with a Philips projection tv, delivery was made by a different person from the one who would calibrate and arrange the channels.
Cross-posting:
The problem was that they brought nothing but the TV. No philips screwdriver (they used mine), no 3-prong grounding adaptor for the power cord (I had my own), no PAL adaptor for the broadcast TV input (I didn't have one).
No calibration service. OK lang, since I didn't expect it anyway.
They would have set the TV channels, if only they brought along a PAL connector that they could have sold to me. I would have gladly paid an overprice for a PAL connector and considered it a tip.
The 42C10 arrived today, sorry for the delay, I'm a bit tired but tomorrow I'll have an updated video.
I hope to clear out the following that's still hanging from my PM box:
1)The Phosphor lag, is it still there? and if it is, how does it compare to the lag of the PV70/8/80 and the PY800?
2)Reflectiveness, just how reflective is this model?
3)PS3 performance
4)Dvd performance
People seem to be less interested in Blu-Ray, I wonder. ???
See you guys then.
Again my thanks to Vic and the Sights and Sounds crew for a hassle free transaction.
I thought you guys decided to go 50C10 na after considering the 50G10. Hehe. Still 42 pala. ;D
As for lack of interest in BD, I would think it has to do with cost. BD players and media are quite expensive and a lot of people are also using NMTs.
Anyway, rest up and enjoy your new toy. While we are a demanding bunch, we wouldn't want to pressure you into releasing your review without letting you have your fun.
People seem to be less interested in Blu-Ray, I wonder. ???
Maybe because everyone assumes that rendering a good BD image is so easy that nobody's worrying about it.
The real challenge is rendering a good SD DVD image. That's what gets people worried.
What if you want to play Armageddon, a movie that's not yet available on BD? How would the non-anamorphic SD picture look like?
People seem to be less interested in Blu-Ray, I wonder. ???
Sure, I'll check that one. Any ideas on what the Overscan function does?
Thanks boss.
Sure, I'll check that one. Any ideas on what the Overscan function does?
POST UPDATE:btw Carlo777 for the benefit of our htpc users, let me add that for htpc use i suggest that this option be off at first setup, cause it will cause issues with setting up the scaling of the vga. some lines or portion of the tv might not be filled out or might look like zoomed.
By the way, the C10 along with my S10 and PY800 has this option called Overscan on/off. Should this be on? I can't remember what this feature actually does.
Thanks.
Phosphor Lag:
Great news! The C10 still has it, but not as "bad' as it was on the PV80 or the PV70.
Do the green trails appear on movies, or are the green trails visible only on video games?
mga sir may white wash feature ba ang c10?
So far I've only tested it with games. Can you give me a movie where the lags are most seen for me to test.
No white wash feature on my 50C10.
The worst I've seen is on I, Robot, Chap. 10, 25:11 to 25:38. Look at the heads of the robots.
Chapter and time stamps are from the Philippine R3 version.
On my 50C10, I can still see some phosphor lag on that scene, but it's so minimal that it's hardly noticeable.
Reflectivity:
I found out that the C10 is really reflective, to a point you'd need to have good lighting conditions. It does not have those "chicken wire" patterns, but if you're coming from a PV8 or 80 you may get a little bit distracted, as was my wife when she watched a blu-ray under normal lighting.
...for me the only plasma i've seen with a substantial improvement sa lag was the g10.
Hi Carlo, Comitatus,
Regarding "reflectivity" of the C10, did the AR feature of the X10 reduce this significantly? I'm choosing between these 2 models & "reflectivity" might be a deciding factor.
Truly appreciate your inputs.
Thanks! :)
Hi Carlo, Comitatus,
Regarding "reflectivity" of the C10, did the AR feature of the X10 reduce this significantly? I'm choosing between these 2 models & "reflectivity" might be a deciding factor.
Truly appreciate your inputs.
Thanks! :)
Hmmm...this is what my barkada jokingly said when she saw the t.v. "uy...you don't need a mirror na pala when you feel like being kinky".
medyo reflective siya talaga lalo na when you use it under normal lighting conditions. pag naka off or naka dim yung lights maganda naman siya.
Hmmm...this is what my barkada jokingly said when she saw the t.v. "uy...you don't need a mirror na pala when you feel like being kinky".
medyo reflective siya talaga lalo na when you use it under normal lighting conditions. pag naka off or naka dim yung lights maganda naman siya.
Thanks Comitatus!
I guess it will be the X10 (with the AR) for me then, or the PV80 (kung aabot ako sa remaining units available).
Great inputs! :)
So I guess, for normal lighting conditions, not advisable. However, for dedicated HT rooms, reflectiveness shouldn't be an issue.
Can anyone confirm if the X10 has AR? Specs from panasonic seem to say that AR is nonexistent in both the C10 and X10.
On the other hand, except for the reflectiveness issue, PQ especially blacks seem to have improved on the newer panels compared to the PV80?
Yes, it seems slightly worse.
Too bad I don't have the two sets side by side, but as far as I can recall, this 50C10 seems slightly more reflective than my old 42" Panny EDTV.
On this 50C10, I think it's just plain glass, without any anti-reflective coating whatsoever.
But on image quality, this 50C10 is much better. Here's a screenshot:
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/5448/50c10.jpg)
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In real life, the actual image looks much better than this pic.
Kaya pala ang init ng discussion nito sa AV forums in uk between the X10 and the C10.
Hays, Im thinking twice na tuloy. :-\ Kaya pala ang init ng discussion nito sa AV forums in uk between the X10 and the C10.
I remember you have a PV70, the C10 is very good baka lang magulat tayo sir, dahil medyo malakas yung reflections. However, if you can get pass that issue then you have a winner here.i remember my cousin's PV70 is not that reflective.
i remember my cousin's PV70 is not that reflective.
cause iirc i was doing a movie marathon from 8am - 3pm (wayback early 2008), without complaining about screen reflections.
Hi guys! My mom finally decided to take my advice and buy a plasma tv, we bought the P42C10 a while ago at Sights and Sounds. Thank you for all the stuff I read here.:D
(Sorry kung OT?) Kaso lang, medyo di ata satisfied nanay ko sa customer service ng Sights and Sounds, pag-uwi ko sabi niya masusungit at suplado daw mga staff ng SnS kanina sa kanya. Anyone experienced this before? Di ko alam yung buong storya pero mukhang di talaga natuwa nanay ko sa pagbili niya ng TV kanina (di ako kasama eh, may class kasi ako.). :-[
Anyway! Hope to hear some tips from you guys to get the most out of our TVs! :D
Hi guys! My mom finally decided to take my advice and buy a plasma tv, we bought the P42C10 a while ago at Sights and Sounds. Thank you for all the stuff I read here.:D
(Sorry kung OT?) Kaso lang, medyo di ata satisfied nanay ko sa customer service ng Sights and Sounds, pag-uwi ko sabi niya masusungit at suplado daw mga staff ng SnS kanina sa kanya. Anyone experienced this before? Di ko alam yung buong storya pero mukhang di talaga natuwa nanay ko sa pagbili niya ng TV kanina (di ako kasama eh, may class kasi ako.). :-[
Hi guys! My mom finally decided to take my advice and buy a plasma tv, we bought the P42C10 a while ago at Sights and Sounds. Thank you for all the stuff I read here.:D
(Sorry kung OT?) Kaso lang, medyo di ata satisfied nanay ko sa customer service ng Sights and Sounds, pag-uwi ko sabi niya masusungit at suplado daw mga staff ng SnS kanina sa kanya. Anyone experienced this before? Di ko alam yung buong storya pero mukhang di talaga natuwa nanay ko sa pagbili niya ng TV kanina (di ako kasama eh, may class kasi ako.). :-[
Anyway! Hope to hear some tips from you guys to get the most out of our TVs! :D
Paging sir Vic of SnS, hehe... :D
I smell some spanking from the boss.. ;D
The anti-reflective (AR) coating discussion at avforums is too simplistic. Nobody there is discussing the possibility that a glossy screen could be better in some aspects than an AR-coated screen.
Matte screens cut down reflections, but they also lighten black levels and colors.
I notice the same thing from photograph prints to magazine covers to laptop monitors. Glossy is reflective, but has deeper colors and blacker blacks. Matte cuts down reflections, but it also washes out colors.
i agree... i was able to compare a pv8 and c10, and they both had excellent contrast, but the pv8's blacks were somewhat "gray"-er(???), for lack of a better term...
i'm just happy that i have a DIY blue backlight for the TV rack so i can watch movies on my pc10 with the lights off ;D
Sir, sorry for my ignorance, but why do you need the blue backlight?
personal preference really, gives a great accent to the plasma's PQ. and honestly, from a practical standpoint, it is hard walking around in my room in absolute darkness...
Haha... thanks... akala ko papangit yung PQ kung walang ganon... dami rin kasi may mga backlight ngayon when I looked at the galleries. Nice set-up by the way... mukhang enjoy ka sa C10 mo. Really considering this model too.
Thanks.
... dami rin kasi may mga backlight ngayon when I looked at the galleries.
i agree... i was able to compare a pv8 and c10, and they both had excellent contrast, but the pv8's blacks were somewhat "gray"-er(???), for lack of a better term...
i'm just happy that i have a DIY blue backlight for the TV rack so i can watch movies on my pc10 with the lights off ;D
(http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs119.snc1/4868_107762661024_729851024_2081635_3159325_n.jpg)
(http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs119.snc1/4868_107762656024_729851024_2081634_2986034_n.jpg)
by the way, fellow pc10 owners, how is the image retention of your units? as previously stated, I have yet to see this manifest with mine...
I have not experience any image retention yet. My unit is about a month old.
Sir, sorry for my ignorance, but why do you need the blue backlight?
Hi guys! My mom finally decided to take my advice and buy a plasma tv, we bought the P42C10 a while ago at Sights and Sounds. Thank you for all the stuff I read here.:D
(Sorry kung OT?) Kaso lang, medyo di ata satisfied nanay ko sa customer service ng Sights and Sounds, pag-uwi ko sabi niya masusungit at suplado daw mga staff ng SnS kanina sa kanya. Anyone experienced this before? Di ko alam yung buong storya pero mukhang di talaga natuwa nanay ko sa pagbili niya ng TV kanina (di ako kasama eh, may class kasi ako.). :-[
Anyway! Hope to hear some tips from you guys to get the most out of our TVs! :D
it's a t5 bulb sir, i got the smallest wattage available... olsun brand i think... i had it wired with a switch leading to an AC plug... got some double-sided tape, and attached it to my av rack's spine facing the wall...
got mine from DIY Store Eastwood branch... although it's usually available in similarly themed stores such as Ace, Handyman, Home Depot and Wilcon...
i agree... i was able to compare a pv8 and c10, and they both had excellent contrast, but the pv8's blacks were somewhat "gray"-er(???), for lack of a better term...
i'm just happy that i have a DIY blue backlight for the TV rack so i can watch movies on my pc10 with the lights off ;D
(http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs119.snc1/4868_107762661024_729851024_2081635_3159325_n.jpg)
(http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs119.snc1/4868_107762656024_729851024_2081634_2986034_n.jpg)
Sorry if OT... But i just wanna ask if this model is HD ready 1080p? Meaning, if i use it to play a SD dvd it will give me the native 720p and if i play BD using my ps3 is would upscale it to 1080p?
Sorry if OT... But i just wanna ask if this model is HD ready 1080p? Meaning, if i use it to play a SD dvd it will give me the native 720p and if i play BD using my ps3 is would upscale it to 1080p?
The native resolution of the C10 is 720p.
For SD source input resolutions of 480i, 480p and 576p, the tv will upscale the signal to 720p.
For HD resolution input of 720p, no upscaling or processing is done. If the PS3 is set to ouput a resolution of 1080i or 1080p, The tv will downscale the signal to 720p.
Therefore, the actual resolution of the picture you are viewing all the time will always be 720p regardless of the source you are watching, whether its a regular tv channel, dvd or even a 1080p bluray film.
This really made me confiused... ??? if that would be the case, then what is the HD ready 1080p Stands for? or what is the diffrence between HD ready 1080p with FULL HD? I believe that 42C10 is HD Ready 1080p right?
Applicable Scanning Format 525 (480)/60i, 525 (480)/60p, 625 (576)/50i, 625 (576)/50p, 750 (720)/50p, 750 (720)/60p,
1125 (1080)/50i, 1125 (1080)/60i, 1125 (1080)/24p (HDMI only), 1125 (1080)/50p (HDMI only), 1125 (1080)/60p (HDMI only)
I've trying to research on this, but I always get a mixed answer... :D
This really made me confiused... if that would be the case, then what is the HD ready 1080p Stands for? or what is the diffrence between HD ready 1080p with FULL HD? I believe that 42C10 is HD Ready 1080p right?
Applicable Scanning Format 525 (480)/60i, 525 (480)/60p, 625 (576)/50i, 625 (576)/50p, 750 (720)/50p, 750 (720)/60p,
1125 (1080)/50i, 1125 (1080)/60i, 1125 (1080)/24p (HDMI only), 1125 (1080)/50p (HDMI only), 1125 (1080)/60p (HDMI only)
I've trying to research on this, but I always get a mixed answer...
HD ready sets - is for TVs with a native resolution of 1024 X 768 or 1366 X 768 = 720p panels / 1 meg
Full HD sets - is for TVs with a native resolution of 1920 X 1080 = 1080p panels / 2 megs
HD ready 1080p means that even if the tv is just a native 720p panel, it can accept all resolutions that you listed on top (from 480-1080) with 1080p 60 or 24hz being the highest resolution. However, for the actual image to be displayed on to the tv screen, the viera processor will process and recalculate the 1080p image to fit a lower resolution 720p panel, so what it does is downscale the resolution from 1080p to 720p. So when you watch a bluray movie and you press recall(status), it will show 1080p(source) but the picture you are actually watching is already a 720p downscaled image.
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Now I understand.. Thank you so much sir... ;)
The native resolution of the C10 is 720p.
For SD source input resolutions of 480i, 480p and 576p, the tv will upscale the signal to 720p.
For HD resolution input of 720p, no upscaling or processing is done. If the PS3 is set to ouput a resolution of 1080i or 1080p, The tv will downscale the signal to 720p.
Therefore, the actual resolution of the picture you are viewing all the time will always be 720p regardless of the source you are watching, whether its a regular tv channel, dvd or even a 1080p bluray film.
This really made me confiused... if that would be the case, then what is the HD ready 1080p Stands for? or what is the diffrence between HD ready 1080p with FULL HD? I believe that 42C10 is HD Ready 1080p right?
...
.. I've trying to research on this, but I always get a mixed answer...
I believe that 42C10 is HD Ready 1080p right?
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/5448/50c10.jpg)
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In real life, the actual image looks much better than this pic.
50" Panasonic Viera 50C10 review
(SD-DVD observations only)
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Summary:
- Good for SD DVD; good black levels and colors; good sharpness as long as the input is a good quality 720p/1080p signal.
- Very reflective glass; screen uniformity is not perfect.
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Intro
This is the lowest-end 50-incher from Panasonic's 2009 (12th generation) lineup. There's a big price difference when compared with the 42C10's tag, but if you want a 50-inch 12th gen Panasonic, the 50C10 is as cheap as it gets.
The budget-category pedigree shows. Picture adjustments are limited to the most basic controls. No features such as pixel orbiters, whitewash or scrolling white bar.
The sound from the built-in speakers are awful, but it must have been unavoidable because the designers wanted to maintain a very slim form factor to the TV frame. To keep the bezel as slim as possible, the speakers are very small down-firing ones. Expectedly, the sound is bad no matter what audio setting I choose.
Reflectivity & Uniformity
The biggest complaint about the C series is about the reflectivity. The bad news is that it really is very reflective. The glass looks like it's just plain glass, without ant anti-reflective (AR) coating whatsoever. But if it's any consolation, the good news is that if you'll be using this in a dark room, the omission of an AR coating could be contributing to a better picture with blacker blacks and deeper colors that would have slightly sufffered otherwise.
My screen has a very faint horizontal line, about 1/8 of an inch tall, located at the top 1/3 of the screen, running acsross the entire width of the screen. Not anything to worry about because it's so faint that it's only noticeable when a full-white screen is displayed. In fact, even with a full white image on, it's still hard to see. Nevertheless, it's still there, which is slightly disappointing, considering that my old 7th gen Panny EDTV displayed perfect screen uniformity with a full white image.
Other than those two negatives, this TV is truly amazing for the price.
BI, IR, Phosphor Lag
This unit has no burn-in so far, and I'm willing to bet it's not going to have any during its entire lifespan. No big deal, since nobody worries about burn-in these days anyway.
As for image retention (IR), I haven't seen any so far, either. I'm too chicken to give it a torture test, but I have a feeling that this TV is not going to have any IR problems with normal use.
Older generations (around 6th and earlier) had problems concerning purple snakes/purple ants/magenta banding; "clay faces"; false contouring/solarization/posterization; etc. As expected, this TV has none of those early-generation flaws.
Green phosphor lag still exists on this TV, but this time it's hardly visible even on the most difficult video material. My phosphor lag test scene is on I, Robot, Chap. 10, 25:11 to 25:38 (Chapter and time stamps are from the Philippine R3 version). I can still see some phosphor lag on that scene, but it's so minimal that it's hardly noticeable. The judder is still obvious on that scene (which is normal), but the phosphor lag is now so slight that less sensitive eyes can stare at that scene all day and still not notice.
Sub-Field Drive: Black Levels & Posterization
Black levels in a dark room are amazingly good. Still not Kuro-amazing, but pretty close. The 2009 Pannys could be using a better screen filter on the panel for a blacker black. No need to worry that the filter might crush the grays, since grayscale on this TV is also very good.
The 600 Hz sub-field probably works well, as it could be improving grayscale to compensate for the filter. To get a Kuro-like infinite black level, Panny will have to install an even more enhanced filter; however, the 600 Hz sub-field might not be up to the task.
The Kuros reportedly use an 840 Hz sub-field, which is probably the secret sauce for an infinite black level that still maintains grayscale, unlike the latest Panny line, which uses only a 600 HZ sub-field. But considering the rumors that Pio's Kuro engineers are now working at Panny, it's reasonable to assume that Panny will be able to come up with an 840 Hz spec in the near future. But as for now, the blacks and grayscales on this 50C10 is pretty impressive nonetheless.
Posterization is very low on this unit. This is another aspect that was probably improved by the 600 Hz sub-field. Any posterization that you might see on this TV is unlikely to be the fault of the TV, but caused by MPEG compression artifacts already present on the poorly-encoded SD DVD disc itself.
Scaling & Sharpness
Native resolution on this panel is 1366 x 768, standard for 50-inch HD ready plasma screens. I recommend a viewing distance of more than 5 feet from the screen, since pixel structure will be visible at a distance closer than that.
I had a Philips 5986 connected via component video at 480p. The picture was good, except that it seemed too soft to me. I tried HDMI at 480p and 720p, but the image was still soft. Thankfully, the picture looked sharp enough at 1080p HDMI.
I tried my old Pioneer 270 DVD player, which upscales to a maximum of only 1080i, to see what differences I would observe. The image was soft at 480p component, 480p HDMI and 720p HDMI, with terrible-looking details. Sharpness and details were acceptable at 1080i, but still not good enough.
I bought a cheap Pioneer 410 yesterday (P4,990) to see if there would be any improvement. The image was soft at 480p component and 480p HDMI. But at 720p and 1080p, the image is sharp enough. Images on 720p and 1080p are indistinguishable --- on both resolutions, image is sharp; film grain rendition looks natural --- just the way I like it.
The good part is that the Pio 410 player passes BTB (blacker-than-black), even if it's such a low-end model. This player uses a low-end Mediatek MT1389FE chip, but it's good enough for me (The Pio 610 player uses Mediatek MT1389XE, which is slightly better).
There's no way to know just how the TV's internal scaler handles input signals since that's a manufaturer's trade scret that we'll probably never know. But based on my brief tests, my guess it that this TV's scaler is optimized at 1080p. This means that any signal it receives is first upscaled to 1080p, then downscaled to the exact 1366 x 768 native resolution of the panel.
If you feed it a 480p signal, the TV first upscales it to 1080p, then downscales it to 1366 x768 (The image is soft because the internal upscaler is not that good). Feed it a good 1080p signal and all the TV has to do is downscale it to 1366 x 768 (The image is sharp enough).
Colors
Colors are very good. The very good black levels undoubtedly help a lot in making the colors look even better. Color saturation is fine at a 36 setting (in a scale of 0 to 100), Cinema Mode.
The experts recommend the Warm color temperature at Cinema Mode, but I prefer the Normal temp, since at the Warm seting, the whites look too yellowish to me. Cinema mode works best in a dark room. Use the Normal Mode if you have medium ambient lighting as the Normal Mode setting makes the image slightly brighter.
Color accuracy looks fine to me. I remember reading a review about red push and green push on another model from the 2009 series, but I don't notice that here. Reds and greens look accurate enough.
Conclusion:
If you want a cheap 50 incher that renders a good SD DVD image, get this TV and feed it the best upscaled 1080p signal you can find.
Great review boss! Very very nice, so when is the next purchase? ;)
... so when is the next purchase? ;)
Thanks bosing!
Pag nagkaroon ng Asian equivalent ng 50G10 that runs cool without cooling fans! :D
Sure, PM ko later.
the backlight is pretty cool, but doesn't your eye hurt when you play a bright/colorful game like...street fighter 4? it would look very well on a game room...nice :)
@barister
i share your opinion that the cinema mode makes everything yellowish. for me this applies even with no light on. especially the whites. but i have gotten used to it.
Has anyone tried connecting their laptop to the TV? I tried it a while ago but it doesn't work. I simply plugged the laptop to the TV using a VGA cable (I'm sure it's working properly, it's the one I use for my desktop), also tried pressing the function + projector (f6 ata, not sure) but it didn't work. Any steps I missed? ???
Yes, the "Warm" setting on "Colour Balance" is supposed to give a yellowish temperature. On the other hand, the "Cool" setting is supposed to give a bluish temperature.
Actually, a yellowish white will look white once your eyes adjust to it. Maybe I should try the Warm setting for a longer period and see if I'll like it.
The Warm setting (at Cinema Mode) is widely recommended, since it reportedly produces a color temperature closest to "D65".
D65 has a color temperature of approximately 6500K, the CIE standard illuminant representing overcast daylight in Western/Northern Europe.
I don't have any measuring equipment, so I don't know if the Warm setting really gives us a D65 or 6500K.
But to my eyes, the Normal setting is already slightly yellowish, and it might already be a D65 or 6500K. On the other hand, the Warm setting looks too yellow to me.
ditto sir. i primarily like my yellow on tshirts...
Sirs Invinciible, Carlo777, Barrister, C10 Owners,
Care to post your settings? :)
I shone my cel's photolight on both screens, looked very closely and noticed a very faint crosshatch pattern on both with very fine lines on the c10 as compared to the the pv80 which had thicker lines. :-\
I'll post as soon as I figure out what my Pio 410 DVD player's firmware version is.
Settings will differ depending on the player used. I'm thinking I should post the TV settings + player model + player firmware version.
How bad is the reflectiveness of this TV? Is it similar to CRTs wherein it would be difficult to have a window in front of it because of the glare and shadow from the sunlight, or is it worse? Does it mean that LCD's or the PV80's AR make it ok to position a TV opposite a window?
Appreciate it Sir!
Kindly post it at the new thread I created "PinoyDVD TweakTV".
Regards :D
How bad is the reflectiveness of this TV?
Is it similar to CRTs wherein it would be difficult to have a window in front of it because of the glare and shadow from the sunlight, or is it worse?
Does it mean that LCD's or the PV80's AR make it ok to position a TV opposite a window?
Very bad.
Similar to CRT.
Actually, that's a bad place for any TV.
Comparatively, a plasma C10 will have specular reflections; a plasma PV80 will have diffuse reflections; but an LCD with a matte screen will be most resistant to reflections.
Yeah bad place nga talaga. Unfortunately no choice for a lot of bedrooms unless we position the TV perpendicular to the bed. Saw the C10 kasi earlier. Ganda nga talaga ng plasma. However, there was no direct glare on it, so I couldn't notice it. Kung sanay ka pa rin sa CRT, I guess you won't know any better but right now, with the bed against the window and my CRT facing the window, hirap manood during the day.
LCD siguro talaga for this set-up.
Thanks for all your help. Hoping LCDs will at least be competitive with C10 price.
another way of solving this would be to buy or order custom blinds or roman shades that are very opaque. i did this with my previous room. 95 or 98 percent daylight filtering if i remember correctly.the contact i got gave a good price so it wasn't so heavy an upgrade. i also diffused my main light source via a cove light fixture. what's funny is i was using an old crt tv back then. ;D
sayang din sir, i have owned recent models of both an lcd and a plasma, and the pq of the plasma is definitely better.
some pics...
Thanks for the tip. The thing is, I don't think I'd like the shades down every time I watch TV. I guess sometimes we have to sacrifice quality for practicality. Oh well... hehe. Thanks again though.
Invinciible nice blinds, curtain ???
how much did you get those and where? :D
thanks sir! unfortunately binenta na namin yung bahay na yan kasama yung kwarto at blinds. isang set nalang ang natira. ang galing, laging gabi sa karto ko. sa may marikina/cainta yung supplier ko. they make the roman shades to your specifications. they don't outsource. pati yung mechanism sila may gawa. may tatlong ratings sila sa pagka-opaque ng fabric. range ng pricing is 120-150/sqft if i remember correctly. you can reach Allan the owner at 6478447 or 5832723.thanks bro ^_^
Has anyone tried connecting their laptop to the TV? I tried it a while ago but it doesn't work. I simply plugged the laptop to the TV using a VGA cable (I'm sure it's working properly, it's the one I use for my desktop), also tried pressing the function + projector (f6 ata, not sure) but it didn't work. Any steps I missed? ???
admittedly, due to space constraints, i have tried to integrate the ht, audio, game and bed room. ;D most guest like it naman.
i had the same concern prior to installing the backlight. pleasantly surprised that it actually lessened eye strain. i don't have sf4(my combo-producing, button-mashing abilities have long deserted me.), but playing 2k9, cod4 and cod5, and ufc undisputed 2009, i found myself playing for longer periods. 2k9 would be the brightest of my games. the rest are generally set in dark situations. still, to a degree, i believe it actually helps. i am biased though as i have an affinity for blue... ;D
awww...you don't play fighting games? I'm loving the new king of fighters 12. blue is one of my fav colors, that's why i was particularly attracted to your backlight.
about the reflections...come to think of it, a glossy picture looks classy :)
You could also try using a laser pointer pointing it to the panel and reflecting it on a wall. With our PV80, it produces an X mark.
Wow, that's great info. :o I gotta try that one.
The most logical-sounding theory used to be that the crosshatch pattern on the PV80 was caused by the screen's AR coating. But since you've seen a cross-hatch pattern on a C10 (no AR coating), then I guess that's the end of that theory :P.
If a cross-hatch pattern appears on a screen with plain external glass, then the cross-hatch pattern must be caused by something on the internal glass, such as a filter.
Just saw the C10 side by side with the pv80 at Avant trinoma this afternoon. I asked permission from the sales rep to turn off both TVs so I can compare their reflections.
After some careful scrutiny, my verdict is, the C10 is indeed more reflective between the two. The PV80's reflections looked darker and diffused just like the PV70 while the C10's looked quite bright and sharp as if it was just a plain glass panel with no AR at all. I shone my cel's photolight on both screens, looked very closely and noticed a very faint crosshatch pattern on both with very fine lines on the c10 as compared to the the pv80 which had thicker lines. :-\
Can you guys see the pattern on your respective units already?
Hindi pa rin, e. :-[
I'm sure it's there, since two members already confirmed it. But I don't know why I can't see it. ???
Nakita ko na din, hard to see, but it's there! The PV70 and 80 has thicker lines. The C10 has very thin lines, now that I see it, I see it all the time :D
@barrister&Invinciible
Can you guys see the pattern on your respective units already?
Sir, try looking at it with the lights on ;)
I've tried it, but I still don't see it.
I have 2 sets of ceiling lights in my video room: 4 recessed incandescent lamps (with dimmer); and 1 circular fluorescent lamp.
I tried all sorts of combinations: fluorescent only; incandescent only (bright and dimmed); both fluorescent and incandescent (bright and dimmed); all lights off; LED flashlight shining on the screen with ceiling lights on/off/bright/dimmed; etc. ...
Still nothing.
i noticed that when you look at the left border of the screen there is a thin purple/violet line sa right naman green...do you guys have that sa C10 niyo?
salamat :)
Yeah, do you guys have this?
Just curious, how close do you have to look at the screen to notice. I'm thinking of buying the 50 incher later this year. Thanks.
I've tried it, but I still don't see it.naalala ko tuloy nung naghahanap ako ng green trails :D
I have 2 sets of ceiling lights in my video room: 4 recessed incandescent lamps (with dimmer); and 1 circular fluorescent lamp.
I tried all sorts of combinations: fluorescent only; incandescent only (bright and dimmed); both fluorescent and incandescent (bright and dimmed); all lights off; LED flashlight shining on the screen with ceiling lights on/off/bright/dimmed; etc. ...
Still nothing.
naalala ko tuloy nung naghahanap ako ng green trails :D
i noticed that when you look at the left border of the screen there is a thin purple/violet line sa right naman green...do you guys have that sa C10 niyo?
Just for the record, I've encountered my 1st genuine issue with the C10. It "powers" down (switches off), leaving a blinking red light, spoke to Vic of Sights and Sounds already and a replacement is on the way!
That's what I call service=)
Maybe you should try out a 50C10 as a replacement and pay the price difference? ;)go carlo ;D
Boss, I did not get your PM, you may want to re-send it ;)cancelled bro, prolly on or after xmas. pm you details. ;D
Bili na na ba tayo ng 50 inch? ;)
Yes, my 50C10 has them: purple on the left, green on the right. My old 42 Panny EDTV also had exactly the same thing.
They're noticeable only when the program material's image has white or light-colored areas on the left and right edges, and only when I'm extremely close to the screen, about a foot away.
Kudos to sir Vic for the great service! Too bad that we won't have an opportunity to try and figure out what went wrong, but I'm happy that you won't have to worry about it.
Blinking lights on a Panasonic plasma are error codes. If something goes wrong, the unit automatically shuts down to prevent any further damage, then the red light beside the power button blinks.
The number of blinks represents the corresponding error code that's supposed to assist the repair technician in making a diagnosis. Here's an avsforum thread on power board defect = 7 blinks on the red light: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=993769&highlight=panasonic+blinking+light
Maybe you should try out a 50C10 as a replacement and pay the price difference? ;)
@barrister
simpleng kulam sir! :D
@carlo
could you elaborate on what happened? it just powered down while you were watching?
cancelled bro, prolly on or after xmas. pm you details. ;D
I've tried it, but I still don't see it.
I have 2 sets of ceiling lights in my video room: 4 recessed incandescent lamps (with dimmer); and 1 circular fluorescent lamp.
I tried all sorts of combinations: fluorescent only; incandescent only (bright and dimmed); both fluorescent and incandescent (bright and dimmed); all lights off; LED flashlight shining on the screen with ceiling lights on/off/bright/dimmed; etc. ...
Still nothing.
@barrister
simpleng kulam sir! :D
Sir chris69ners: I'll try it. Thanks for the tip!
:D Bakit naman, brader? ??? Barya lang naman ni boss Carlo ang price difference, di ba? ;)
Hi, great info you guys provide here. I'm wondering if anyone here has tried connecting their PC/laptop either using HDMI or VGA? How is the qualty? Thanks.via hdmi using cq40 310 with ati HD3200. perfect ;D
question is...what does 24p playback mean? is it like the sammy movie plus option found sa a650?
pahabol...
what do you mean by pwm noise? and what does image banding mean? :)
na turn off ako sa reflectiveness ng c10, so py800 na pinili ko..
anlakas mangkulam ni sir carlo e! ;D
via hdmi using cq40 310 with ati HD3200. perfect ;D
just make sure you have the right codecs etc. ;)
but audio output is still stereo :( (need to get one of those hp docking station to output digital audio*5.1*7.1)
about the image banding, reason i asked kasi i read somewhere that the 2009 plasma series are still plagued by this issue...have you seen this on your plasma?
sir carlo,
is this more "bang for the buck" compared to the 42s10? mga 20k rin kasi price difference eh...thanks po!
thanks sir carlo :)
i'm into HD content and ps3 gaming po...so s10 is really for me?
Sure, if you want to maximize what your blu-ray and ps3 units can do. Go 1080p, go for the S10 ;)
thanks again sir carlo! i will be waiting, though, for your review of the G series kung mas ok yun :) thanks!
No, it's definitely not true that the 2009 Panny plasmas are "still plagued" by banding issues.
First, let's discuss the proper terminology.
When an image that should have gradual tonal gradations is rendered with abrupt tonal changes, the artifact is generally called "Posterization". To describe posterization in computer graphics, the term is "Color Banding".
Illustration of Color Banding caused by insufficient BPP (bits per pixel):
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9a/Colour_banding_example01.png/180px-Colour_banding_example01.png)
Other terms used to describe the artifact are "False Contouring", "Image Banding", and "Solarization". False Contouring is an acceptable term but less commonly used. Image banding is less acceptable and very seldomly used. Solarization is also very seldomly used, since it's actually a term in photography that refers to a reversal of tone, so it's erroneous to use the term "solarization" to refer to posterization.
Whenever posterization is visible on an image in a flat panel display, the observer should be able to pinpoint the source of the posterization before blaming the display device. Is it caused by the TV itself? Is it caused by the player? Or is it present on the disc itself as a compression artifact?
Here's an example of a less than credible review from cnet Australia:
Based on first impressions we gathered from the launch in Sydney, we only have generally positive things to say about the Panasonic range. However, one image artefact that the company has found hard to shake has been image banding — where gradations of colours appear as bands instead of one smooth image. Unfortunately, the S10 seemed to exhibit this from time to time as well. http://www.cnet.com.au/panasonic-viera-th-p42s10a-339296187.htm
The author's opinion is unreliable, since it does not appear that he bothered to check whether or not posterization is already present on the source material itself.
Posterization usually appears on underwater shots, sky shots, and areas with blurred backgrounds/foregrounds. To test if the posterization is present on the source disc, I play the same scene on a CRT TV or CRT computer monitor. All posterizations I've seen so far on my Panny plasma are the fault of the source disc, since I've confirmed that the posterization is also present when viewed on a CRT display.
Try the underwater scenes on the Superman Returns DVD, Chap. 28, 105:34 - 105:38 and 106:10 - 106:14. You will notice posterization on a flat panel TV, but you can confirm that the posterization is present on the source disc because the artifact is also visible on a CRT monitor.
Try the DVD of William Shakespeare's Hamlet (Kenneth Branagh) on a 42C10 and tell me if you can find posterization anywhere:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/510zn7IHbGL._SL160_AA115_.jpg)
PWM Noise refers to shimmering pixels, an artifact that sometimes appears on plasma TVs. "PWM" means "Pulse-Width Modulation", a method of providing intermediate amounts of electrical power between fully-on and fully-off.nice reading material bro ;D
Image Banding refers to abrupt tonal changes in an image that should have gradual tonal gradations. Here's an example from Planet Earth:
From the BBC HD broadcast:
(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7052/bbcbandhm2.png)
No banding issues.
From the controversial HD DVD/Blu-ray:
(http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/6651/pebandax0.png)
Unacceptable banding/posterization.
Bading issues pala yun.
kulang ng 'n' ata bro, baka ma-misinterpret ;D ;D ;Dbaka nga mabasa nung friend natin bro ;D ;D ;D
How's the IQ of this model when used for regular cable viewing?
Which one is brighter, the PV80 or this C model?
Umaangal na si Mrs. na maliit yung 29" na HD-CRT sa bedroom for Egreat playback (pahamak na Egreat ;D). Pero maganda yung CRT for local cable viewing.
Thanks in advance!
what kind of brightness are we talking about with regards to cable viewing sir allan? when fed by a normal-strength signal i'd generally say my 42pc10 is as close as you'll get to crt cable viewing with a flat screen.
Thanks Reyneir. Every room in our place in Pasig has the option to be very very bright (as in over 500 lux daylight bright - store bright) or dim (but we never watch in pitch dark conditions). Observing my family's viewing habits, mahilig silang manood under bright conditions kase nagbabasa or gumagawa ng kung ano-ano while viewing, except during late night. Thus, plasma with bright image would be preferable under such illumination conditions. Besides, I dont think my wife or daughter would want to watch cable programs (especially local variety shows and news programs in ABS-CBN or GMA) under dim conditions. I am familiar with the brightness level of the PV80, but I'd be very interested to know the comparative brightness of the C series. If it's equivalent in brightness to the X model, then that would be great for my family's application in Manila.
Also, Im concerned about the general image quality of Sky cable channels. CRTs are able to compensate for that reasonably well. I am aware that plasmas handle good strength/quality SD signals better than LCDs, but I dont know how plasmas deal with bad cable signal.
So dalawa lang ang concern ko bale. Local cable program IQ and Egreat viewing (but the latter is better than OK Im sure).
Anyways, it's quite reassuring to be informed that with normal-strength local cable signal, your C10 compares quite well with a CRT. Thanks!
How's the IQ of this model when used for regular cable viewing?
Which one is brighter, the PV80 or this C model?
Umaangal na si Mrs. na maliit yung 29" na HD-CRT sa bedroom for Egreat playback (pahamak na Egreat ;D). Pero maganda yung CRT for local cable viewing.
Thanks in advance!
hmmm, should i assume that the light sources of your pasig residence are adequately diffused? just a thought as i know you are well aware of how reflective this unit is. i actually have destiny cable at home as of now. with the cable signal booster turned off, i'd say same quality ang crt and my pc10 as this signal has a bit of noise from the get go. but with an amplified cable signal, i have to say the pc10 wins hands down. at least with the quality of destiny cable's signal here in greenpark pasig village...
this is a newbie observation so it could be very inaccurate...
i still prefer our 29inch crt for cable viewing over plasma or lcd...not that the C10 is bad, it's actually very good but it lacks...crisp? or punch? maybe i just find the picture a bit soft. we're using skycable nga pala here sa q,c and maybe when skyhd is finally installed baka magbago yung observation ko=)
All impressions and observations are sincerely appreciated.
Actually, I wouldnt be surprised to find out that SD cable viewing on the CRT would be nicer compared to that of Plasma, especially if the video signal is not really optimum as in the case of Skycable. Pero as long as hindi considered as "pangit" yung image ng Plasma, it would be tolerable. And you're right, once you get enough channels from SkyHD, then bye bye CRT. :)
One more concern, how's the sound quality of the C model? Matinis or manipis ba? Thanks as always!
the sound is more than adequate given na it's stock lang naman, but parang mas maganda yung sound ng py800 namin over this and the s10. i think the bbe-viva sound (py800) is way better than the 2009 v-audio :( hope it's not replicated sa g11...
It is likely, unfortunately - because one of the ways to reduce the power consumption of the 2009 models is by stripping down the stock sound system. Kasama na rin yung smaller/narrower bezel design - ergo smaller space for speakers :( Sa V series for instance, Panasonic have reduced the number of speakers to 2 sets compared to 6 sa PZ800. Well, as long the voice of ladies on TV dont sound like Matutina - you probably dont know her. ;D
It is likely, unfortunately - because one of the ways to reduce the power consumption of the 2009 models is by stripping down the stock sound system. Kasama na rin yung smaller/narrower bezel design - ergo smaller space for speakers :( Sa V series for instance, Panasonic have reduced the number of speakers to 2 sets compared to 6 sa PZ800. Well, as long the voice of ladies on TV dont sound like Matutina - you probably dont know her. ;D
john en marsha! maypagka-sanggol pa ako ng panahong yan sir pero naaalala ko naman sya hehehe...
@comitatus
as i don't get to watch cable as often now, it took a while for me to recognize the relative "softness" of the cable's pq. i guess what gives an HD plasma its advantage over an HD lcd with cable and SD in general is what keeps it from being able to surpass a good SD crt.
i have gotten used to the soft pq though.
also, how is the skycable signal strength there in your area? the cable pq of my pc10 seems much better now with a cable amplifier installed. i have a feeling that the pc10 requires a much stronger cable signal than a crt.
Hi Invinciible, Comitatus,
What brand/model are you using for CATV Signal Amplifier?
Yeah, the C10 might need a little boost than my previous Wega CRT.
:)
Hi Invinciible, Comitatus,
What brand/model are you using for CATV Signal Amplifier?
Yeah, the C10 might need a little boost than my previous Wega CRT.
:)
more game shots for the c10=)Is that from 50C10?
(http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz259/geekygal800/DSC01132.jpg)
Is that from 50C10?
The pic looks sharp. Now Im convince I have to audition the unit myself. ;D
shots of the 50C10 with my fav game^^^ (nga pala we upgraded to the 50 inch version for our replacement unit) ;)one of my favorite games ;D
(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/5588/test01i.th.jpg) (http://img193.imageshack.us/my.php?image=test01i.jpg)
2-D rules! burnnnn knuckleeeee^
(nga pala we upgraded to the 50 inch version for our replacement unit) ;)
Replacement unit? So those "vertical lines" are really some sort of defect ba?
What iz zis "power problem"? ;Dnervous? ::) ::)
one of my favorite games ;D
whoa... flashbacking to neo geo days... ;D
yup! i still have a Neo-Geo AES!
my top 3 neo-geo games:
(http://i833.photobucket.com/albums/zz259/geekygal800/Image000.jpg)
actually these are my "prize" geeky possessions, not bags and shoes (one of them being far more expensive than a plasma). sad they look crappy on a plasma(C10/S10/PY800), that's why i'm pushing for a really good crt.
as soon as my neo geo s-video comes in... i'll try to post a pic of the neo with the C10...just to show how modern tech works with old school games :D
ok now i'm flashing back to bags and shoes i have "lovingly" bought in the past... ::)
samurai showdown! ;D if only i were as good at maintaining my videogame consoles... going back to topic, i'm guessing these have "soft" pq when played on a plasma...
ah i guess that is really the case when those pixels are magnified to 720p... i honestly do not know if s-video would help... i'll do my best to find my SD dvd player and try to compare a composite and s-video connection...
From previous experience, using an s-video connection compared to composite will just make the images cleaner and smoother but not necessarily sharper. It might also remove jaggies and rainbow artifacts from edge enhancement on the outline of the images, specially texts.
tested the s-video last night, and it was cleaner...the blocky sprites were still there but ok lang. i don't think they had plasma's in mind naman when they made the system back in the early 90's.
Guys, me and my dad just came from Ansons Makati a while ago.
We're currently eying the Panasonic TH-P50C10 and TH-P42S10. We were fortunate enough to have the two units side by side. The sales personnel also was kind enough to lower the blinds to cover the windows because of the excessive sunlight.
I just noticed that the 50" C10 was not as bright as the 42" S10 even when both set to the "Cinema" picture setting. The S10 was expectedly much sharper than the C10 when it came to HD content from the Blu-ray disc. But when we requested for a regular DVD with SD content, the 1080p S10 was still sharper. Shouldn't the 720p/1080i C10 be sharper when it comes to SD content because the image isn't stretched as much?
The lowest they could give us for both units is 18 months 0% interest @ 78K for the P42S10 and 93K for the P50C10.
Any suggestions on what to get? The P42C10 was out of the question because the 1024x768 resolution turned me off. We were already supposed to get the P42S10 but we're only holding out for tomorrow because I convinced him to check out Sights and Sounds in Shangri-La first (and that I wanted my dad to get the bigger TV... more fun for me!). I told him it was cheap there (according to the guys here and TipidPC). I just don't know how cheap they really are.
BTW, we already removed the LCD options. We like the image quality of plasma TVs more. Colors on the LCD TVs look too artificial and it didn't have any depth at all compared to a plasma. The LCDs we considered beforehand were the Sony Bravia W550 40" and Samsung Series 5 (the 79K and 91K Php ones, I forgot the model number. Sorry).
if you don't mind me asking, what's the name of the store that gave you this price at 18months zero interest?
The lowest they could give us for both units is 18 months 0% interest @ 78K for the P42S10 and 93K for the P50C10.
Hi Mr. Smith,
If you are willing to wait for the 42G11 (Full HD, NeoPDP), it's going to be in Sights and Sounds next week. Also, our resident sellers offer those sets for much much cheaper. :)
If you're willing to spend for the s10, I would suggest you go for the G11 instead. :)
I heard it was cheap here, but in cash. My dad said he'd go no less than 12 months installment. The 18 months / 0% interest is what attracted him. The prices in Ansons are easy to haggle. SM Appliance is a bitch. Automatic Center's sale in Greenhills was initially looking like a steal, but Ansons can match them except for the Bravia W550 40" @ 103K Php / 12 mo 0% interest with a free home theatre set.
I apologize for hijacking this thread. But what does the G11 have that the S and C don't? And will it cost too much? Our budget is 100K Php ceiling.
@ ninjababez
Ansons Makati beside Landmark.
thanks for answering bro. kaka-tingin ko lang sa malls kahapon ng mga tv's at halos ka-presyo na ng resellers natin dito, kaso iba parin mag asikaso ng warranty dito compared to big appliance center.
I apologize for hijacking this thread. But what does the G11 have that the S and C don't? And will it cost too much? Our budget is 100K Php ceiling.
@ ninjababez
Ansons Makati beside Landmark.
I heard it was cheap here, but in cash. My dad said he'd go no less than 12 months installment. The 18 months / 0% interest is what attracted him.
I read somewhere that the G model would sell for something between 75K to 80K cash at suking tindahans here.
Try to ask your Dadeih this question. Would he rather pay for 18 months for an entry level full HD model, or pay cash for something that is getting raved reviews right now? That might turn out to be 18 long months of regret you know. The savings palang sa monthly electric bill nyo for the entire lifespan of the plasma might be able to cover for any other price difference between the S and V.
The Dadeih and you should check out the G model before deciding. Kung wala kang makitang difference, eh di magaling (din) ang S kung ganon. No need to rush a 100K TV purchase.
My parents have their reasons for not wanting to pay in cash, I think one of them is cause my term just ended and my tuition again next term which has a deadline next, next week without surcharge. That's almost 60K again. I can understand if they don't buy the TV But apparently they're totally go with installment since it's manageable. I hope you understand that not all of us can just burn cash like that.
Anyway, I've been reading stuff regarding the G-series. Apparently power consumption-wise, the reflection on the electricity bill is negligible for those who've upgraded from an older model. But of course, why get the old when you can get the new one, right? We can hold off the purchase for now, but we'll see first if the G-series actually looks as nice as everyone else says and if Sights and Sounds can give us a reasonable installment deal on the G-series. If they can't offer us a deal or if they run out of stock (I'm assuming several dozen guys here want the G-series real bad, like you, and will get it immediately in cash), we'll just wait until the G-series is officially here.
"size matters" holds true(hmmm...parang that does not sound too nice :D :D :D)not if the topic is about flat panels ;D
Took a video of the C10 but found it too grainy, it must be my lighting. Because of the video people may think that the C10 is grainy, but that's not the case. Just tell me if you guys want it posted despite the flaws, and I'll still upload it.nice review and comparison sir....ok ka talaga carlo.. ;)
This is my take VS the PV80 so far:
Reflectivity:
I found out that the C10 is really reflective, to a point you'd need to have good lighting conditions. It does not have those "chicken wire" patterns, but if you're coming from a PV8 or 80 you may get a little bit distracted, as was my wife when she watched a blu-ray under normal lighting.
Dvd performance:
Mixed bag, and we're sort of divided here. While I prefer the sharper look of the PV80. My wife prefers the softer and deeper black defenition of the C10. Under normal lighting conditions the C10 does look darker than the PV80, maybe because much of the picture is drowned out by the reflections. Switch off all the lights and you'll begin to see the intricate details and the gorgeous blacks of the C10.
Phosphor Lag:
Great news! The C10 still has it, but not as "bad' as it was on the PV80 or the PV70.
Image Retention:
Are kidding me? Don't want to test this on my C10 and S10 extensively til break in is done. Right now they seem to be very mild compared to the PV80.
More to come.
POST UPDATE:
Sorry for the delay, Internet connection is pretty bad around my place today.
hi guys, during one of my hyper boring momments i unplugged the hdmi cable on our 50C10 and the xde dvd player and swapped it with components...then i swithed the player to output proggresive scan which was a simple 480p. i don't know if it's just me or does 480p really look better on a plasma? if i'm not mistaken dvds are native to 480p? if so, does it mean it's better to play them using the native res?
carlo777 thinks the pic looks a bit washed out but i say it's pretty cool...what do you guys think of components+480p on your c10?
salamat.
if i'm not mistaken dvds are native to 480p? if so, does it mean it's better to play them using the native res?
i don't know if it's just me or does 480p really look better on a plasma?
Newbhie here, i have been learning lot from this forum, thanks to the very detailed explanation"s of sir Carlo and all other Guru's out there sharing their ideas and precious time.
Now, I been searching for the difference of c10 and x10 and i havent got a solid answer. Does the ~5K difference in price justified? Does the x10 have the Ar filter? PLease help
Salamat ulit Sir Carlo
Newbhie here, i have been learning lot from this forum, thanks to the very detailed explanation"s of sir Carlo and all other Guru's out there sharing their ideas and precious time.
Now, I been searching for the difference of c10 and x10 and i havent got a solid answer. Does the ~5K difference in price justified? Does the x10 have the Ar filter? PLease help
Using my Pioneer 410, I sometimes notice fine jagged edges, but I'm not sure what it is or what's causing it.
I don't think it's a deinterlacing error, since I've been somewhat familiar with that artifact since my Laserdisc days.
I suspect that it's CUE (Chroma Upsampling Error).
I see something like this...(similar po ba?)
... it disappears when you go 480i
No, it's not that bad. It appears as a combing artifact on diagonal edges, but so far I've only seen it on 2 DVDs so far.
I tried 480i component. The combing artifact did not disappear, but it did become less noticeable. It became less obvious because the picture became softer, and the softness masked the artifact.
I still don't know what's causing it, but if the artifact is indeed CUE (chroma upsampling error, sometimes called the "chroma bug"), then the error is caused by MPEG decoding, not by upscaling.
CUE will be present regardless of whether the player is set to 480i, 480p or 1080p because the problem arises from a decoding error of the 4:2:0 format chroma information, and not from the upscaling process.
So far I've only seen it on 2 titles. On those 2 titles, the combing appears very infrequently; and when it does appear, it's not very distracting.
I tried looking for the combing artifact last night while I was watching Hitler - The Rise of Evil DVD on my 50C10 at 1080p.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/410Z8QBM1CL._SL160_AA115_.jpg)
I didn't see any combing artifact whatsoever.
My wife asked me to check that issue last night, it appeared on her "BATMAN: Forever" Region 3 DVD, while she was connected via components running 480p (P-Scan) on an XDE-500. Going 480i removed the issue, as well as going back to HDMI on a 720p resolution.
You think it's a dvd encoding error and not a T.V or a player issue? Nahahawa na ata missis ko sa akin ;D
Also, she picked up an old movie last night titled "The Killing Fields", ...
... She loves it so much that we went over the show 2x yesterday (To my utter horror ;)).
... it's an old transfer it was very difficult to get the right setting. What's a good setting daw for movies like that? ...
do you think movies like the killing fields will look better on a crt instead of the c10? (i really like the movie and will watch it again tonight)^^^
Killing Fields was one of the very first movies I watched in DVD (back in 1998) and even then, it was clearly the worst IQ among all DVD movies available - not much improvement from the S-VHS version. I'm still waiting for a good remaster of that movie.
I still think that DVD and CRT (the real good quality ones) are closer to each other than A is to B. But where will you find an HD CRT now?
Try mo naman ang Judgment At Nuremberg. :)
meron na po! just came in last week from amazon plus "The Pianist" on hddvd^^^
hoping they'd look great on the 50c10/42s10...i'll watch them sa weekend :)
@barrister
sorry, carlo made a mistake, it's BATMAN: Returns, not Forever! on Chapter 6...the part where batman speaks to commissioner gordon. the artifact was noticable when i was playing the dvd using compo cables at 480p. it disappeared when i was asked to switch back to hdmi/720p.
do you think movies like the killing fields will look better on a crt instead of the c10? (i really like the movie and will watch it again tonight)^^^
Naku ang ganda naman ng combination - Judgment At Nuremberg + The Pianist. They both look great in high def (I have the downloadable type only but they looked awesome on the 50V plasma).
Judgment at Nuremberg made me skip (proper) lunch yesterday.
hey i'm not some holocaust loving psycho chick ha^
by the way, i plan to connect my x-box360 on the 50c10 and do you think it's time for me to upgrade to an hdmi capable 360? yung 360 ko kasi 1st batch pa na japanese with just component cable connections. kaya pa naman yung 720p na rez.
@barrister
cge! ii'll check it with a pioneer 410v, i was using the xde-500 kasi when i saw it on batman...
about the killing fields, i think i'll just live with it... too bad it's really a good movie.
Don't forget Hitler - The Rise of Evil. It's a 2003 TV miniseries in 2 parts, starting from Hitler's childhood to his ascendancy as Führer und Reichskanzler.
Ok para di OT. 50C10 is a great buy indeed but for similar amount of money, I would choose the smaller 42G10. ;)why? :)
Have you tried the Oppo players?
Don't forget Hitler - The Rise of Evil. It's a 2003 TV miniseries in 2 parts, starting from Hitler's childhood to his ascendancy as Führer und Reichskanzler.
Sorry for the OT but cant help it. This is one highly recommended movie. Make sure not to start watching late because it would be difficult to stop.
Yuriko, question about Killing Fields dun sa final scene (the scene you've probably repeated like 10x already ;D), the moment the Cambodian jumped on Sydney's arms and they embraced near the car, what exactly happened? How was the scene in relation to that great song in the background? I'm asking you this because the original version I saw (probably in tape or in the moviehouse) was not the same as the DVD version. The tape version was even more dramatic.
Ok para di OT. 50C10 is a great buy indeed but for similar amount of money, I would choose the smaller 42G10. ;)
the scene sa dvd had pran rushing to sydney (total tear jerker) and syd was apologising but dith was going "Nothing to forgive"...was there another scene to it? please tell me! please! (can't sleep tuloy)
why the g11 over something that gives you more screen size? the g11 has more detail, but you'd have to be close to see them. unless, you can see something my newbie eyes can't.
i hate saying this... kasi parang improper, but for me..."size matters" (sa t.v lang ha :D)
why the g11 over something that gives you more screen size? the g11 has more detail, but you'd have to be close to see them. unless, you can see something my newbie eyes can't.
Luma na talaga ang video transfer. I doubt if you'll see much improvement using any DVD player.
Have you tried the Oppo players?
Don't forget Hitler - The Rise of Evil. It's a 2003 TV miniseries in 2 parts, starting from Hitler's childhood to his ascendancy as Führer und Reichskanzler.
Does it mean that the gap between c10 and g11 in terms of color reproduction, black is black level and overall picture definition is quite close that the most noticeable difference is detail? If this is so, 50c10 would be a wise choice. I have not seen the g11 personally, but when looking at a Pioneer, I am still be wowed by it even if we already have a PV80 and this was what I was also expecting with the g11, a totally different viewing experience.
is this the one starring the british actor robert carlyle as hitler? pretty good watch if i remember correcctly...
... One of the attendants said, just don't look at the the G10 and you'll be happy with the C10. Too late for me. ;D
1)Contrast ratio
Looking at the C10 and the G11; They both bleed out 2,000,000 to 1/40,000 to 1 contrast ratios, both models also sport a 600hz subfeild drive.
What this means for us:
Well basically, both models can deliver deeper blacks and well pronounced colors. The 600hz subfeild drive enables smooth motion flow, allowing for less blur, pixelation (if any, if ever) for better over-all picture definition.
Please check this out again Carlo.
AFAIK, only the Neo PDPs have 40K:1 contrast ratio. The X series (similar to the C I guess) has 30K:1.
And Im not sure if the 600hz subfield drive applies to Non-Neo PDP models as well because the video engine of the Neo PDP models is different from the non-full HD types.
However, specs for non-Japanese models may differ of course.
BTW, is your G11 capable of 48Hz and 96Hz mode under 24P?
Cheers
Hi Teams SnS, TW,
Pls advise when the 42C10 will become available again?
Thanks :)
Meron na 42C10 sa SnS. Got mine last week!my non expert anwers Hot Mama .. :)
Here are my comments (not as detailed as Carlo777 reviews) ;D
1. Color, contrast, overall PQ is great! Am at this point just using Component 480p connection from DVD.
that is one of the advantage of plasma :)
2. Sound, overall audio quality is also great.
yup, tv speakers are good enough for movies that does not need 5.1 e.g. drama and comedy
3. What bothers me about the 42C10 are the controls. For instance, changing the viewing mode between Normal, Cinema, Dynamic, requires to enter the menu setup. Sana may short cut button since this setting changes a lot when i watch in different lighting conditions.
ganyan din ako nung una, masasanay karin, although ive been using ECO for a while now
4. The aspect button has a shortcut button though. But since the DVD/film has different aspect ratio as well, i keep on switching to different modes (since bago pa at break in period to prevent image retention). I do notice that computer animated films (Shrek, Bee Movie, etc) are formatted 16:9... Thus the screen is filled up. For those 2.35:1 movies, the black bars appear. To eliminate the bars, i set to Zoom1... which unfortunately distorts the picture - medyo oblong ang bilog. However, the manual indicates that Zoom1 simply zooms the picture whether 16:9 or 4:3...Why ??? The Just setting is good for watching 4:3 format.
how about the zoom of your player? btw most of the time zoom1 auto fills the screen, but in some cases, it zooms like a normal "digital zoom" and is ugly, di kasi pantay :-\
5. I dont have cable at home. Actually, wala sa Phase ng village namin... so i bear with VHF/UHF signals. My exeprience with Panasonic TV is the cumbersome channel settings...including the 42C10. It seems there are slots and you have to tune in the channel individually. Ex., slot 1 = ch2 ABS, slot2=ch4 NBN, slot3=ch5 TV5, slot4=ch7 GMA, and so fort. Thus, pressing the channel number, ex. 02, channel 4 is displayed instead. You have to manually arrange it... much worse, yung channel 25 (NET25) ay naka slot sa ch 72!
I guess its time to check out the satellite TV service.
can't really comment about this since im using cable since day one :D
i did try aerial antenna for a day, just to see how it would perform, if incase id need it ;D ;D
6. The manual isnt that helpful either. Descriptions and specifications are not that thorough
i agree. but in a week or two you should be able to "master" the remote etc.
7. One last thing to the experts here... as i am really quite worried about the image retention (IR) thing with plasma (or should i be?)...
others would advise you to ZOOM it for 100 hours. for me i just did a white wash for 24 hours (did this on the 2nd day, no IR that lasted longer than 10minutes so far ;)
Reviews state that to prevent IR, the TV should not display stationary objects on screen (Channel logo, black bars from DVD playback) for the first 100 hours of viewing. While there is no harm in following this "rule", my question is -
How long really does an image have to be displayed constantly on screen for the image to be retained?
Were there tests done on plasma (better if with C10) on image retention? Baka may documents from Panasonic (or other expert groups).
Cheers! :)
Hi Guys,
Just would like to share my 42C10 settings...
Watching movies via HDMI:
Mode: Normal
Contrast: 60
Brightness: +2
Color: 40
Sharpness: 70
Tint: 0
Color Balance: Normal
Color Mgmt: All off
Watching TV via Cable:
Mode: Normal
Contrast: 55
Brightness: +2
Color: 40
Sharpness: 50
Tint: 0
Color Balance: Normal
Color Mgmt: All off
BTW, I'm using Pio 610 upscaler for DVD, & Skycable with catv booster.
Regards :)
Mga Sir,
Newbie lang po, Medyo mag OT lang. Ive been lurking here for for a long time na and will be buying my 1st LCD/Plasma this December. What do you think is worth to get, 37x10 or 42c10? or if you have any suggestions? My budget is around 35-40T for it.
Once i have an extra budget this year im planning to buy an upscaling DVD player also, and for next year a PS3 for Bluray and games.
Thank you very much
Salamat mga sir,
Im leaning towards the 42xc10. Im just worried about the image retention, but as the other threads say theres a way naman to fix it
Mga sirs, how much nyo po nakuha yung 42C10 and saan? I'm really considering this model. Question ko lang din po, nawa-wall mount po ba sya? wala kc akong nakitang parang mga holes sa likod for wall mounting? TIA. :)pwede i wallmount. madalas may nakatakip na plastic cover yung mounting holes.
bakit pamahal ng pamahal ngayon ang 42c10?!?Sir Holiday Season !!! Babagsak presyo next year. kung bibili kayo, delay ninyo
I have no plasma experience yet.
But I'd like to know if it's okay to turn off the the set immediately w/o washing out the IR first?
I have no plasma experience yet.There's no need for that with modern plasmas. Even leaving a static image on for a week won't cause permanent burn-in.
But I'd like to know if it's okay to turn off the the set immediately w/o washing out the IR first?
bakit pamahal ng pamahal ngayon ang 42c10?!?last two weeks 42k sa theaterworks.magkano na ba ngayon? >:(
Hello everyone! Some n0ob question lang sana to our plasma peeps:
I was wondering if pano gawin yung 100 hr burn in? Plano ko sana magupgrde to 50in plasma from Lcd soon. Tia! =)
last two weeks 42k sa theaterworks.magkano na ba ngayon? >:(
A wooping 49.5k.. 7.5k increase agad konte nalang HTIB na sana.. Baka next year nalang tuloy ako kumuha ng 42C10..Sa Listening Room (megamall) , Last Sunday i dropped-by to their store, 44k. binibigay. Next year na lang bumili, tignan natin kung hindi nila ibaba yan. :D :D :D
Not sure if SnS increased their price as well..
A wooping 49.5k.. 7.5k increase agad konte nalang HTIB na sana.. Baka next year nalang tuloy ako kumuha ng 42C10..afaik those are units with local (panasonic phils) warranty, kaya may kamahalan. im not sure though, better ask jeff :)
Not sure if SnS increased their price as well..
Sa Listening Room (megamall) , Last Sunday i dropped-by to their store, 44k. binibigay. Next year na lang bumili, tignan natin kung hindi nila ibaba yan. :D :D :D
... But I'm a little disappointed when it played some of my standart quality(640x480) movies its blurry and the pictures are not that quite good, I dunno if its the player or its just the media that I used, maybe jumping from CRT -> HD TV also needs jumping of Ordinary DVDs to HD DVDs.
What's your DVD player? Is it upscaled?
Also what type of connection are you feeding the TV? HDMI or Composite lang?
The C10's internal scaler is not good enough. For standard DVD sources, it needs to be fed a good 1080p or 720p HDMI signal from a good DVD player. Otherwise, you'll get a softer picture.
Please browse my 50C10 review for standard DVD:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=96467.msg1036848#msg1036848
btw can DVD players upscale divx/avi files?
Meron add sa newspaper (Inquirer) P38,888 lang! Pwede COD. Sa metrowalk 2nd floor daw showroom nila. I'll try to check their showroom this week.Metrowalk? Be careful...
Sana bumaba pa to.
Metrowalk? Be careful...
Bakit sir? Pirated din ba to ;D ;D?
Yun add nila sabi main office nila sa shaw. They also have 1yr warranty.
Gray units kaya to?
Try to read their add sa Inquirer. Need your opinion on this din. Ty!
what page of inquirer today sir? i can't seem to find it.
Wala silang add today, I checked. But last week before new year halos araw araw akita ko yung add. I even clipped it.
Here is the cell number: 09228575366.
Btw, cell phone numbers lang nakalagay and no landlines. ???
Wala silang add today, I checked. But last week before new year halos araw araw akita ko yung add. I even clipped it.Sounds a bit fly-by-night, if possible try to access the service menu to check the TV's hours of usage too.
Here is the cell number: 09228575366.
Btw, cell phone numbers lang nakalagay and no landlines. ???
Hi fellow C10 owners
Just wanna ask if any of you are encountering this problem.
When I turn on my 42C10 there are times that my picture settings is being reset to default. Is this normal?
My 42C10 is plugged on an 1000w voltage regulator and is always being turned off everytime its not in use. (power off via remote and off on avr)
I usually dont turn off the button thats in front of the tv, the one that allows you to turn the tv on standby.
Sounds a bit fly-by-night, if possible try to access the service menu to check the TV's hours of usage too.
Sir,Depende sa TV model kasi. You have to press a secret sequence of buttons on the remote. I was able to access my Samsung TV's menu, but can't find any info on the C10 series on Google.
What are the steps to check the TV's hour usage in the service menu? Thanks! ??? ;D
Bakit sir? Pirated din ba to ;D ;D?Puedeng ganyan na kamura balik sa dating presyo na 39k yung 42c10.
Yun add nila sabi main office nila sa shaw. They also have 1yr warranty.
Gray units kaya to?
Try to read their add sa Inquirer. Need your opinion on this din. Ty!
meron po ba gumagamit ng sky digibox with 50c10 dito? pwede ba malaman kung ano yung settings nyo?
Box setting ba tanong mo?
I use Sky's Coship HD Digibox with an HDMI connection. I just use the 1080i resolution, which is the native res of Sky's HD feed (History / Discovery / HBO / Balls). It looks best this way.
For audio, I just set it to AC-3, as this is also the native format of the feed. I just allow my receiver to decode it as-is, instead of passing a PCM signal.
parang gusto ko mag 50c10 at palitan yung 42 c10 ko =(Better to also get a 1080p-capable set rather than just a mere 8 inch size increase.
Better to also get a 1080p-capable set rather than just a mere 8 inch size increase.
parang gusto ko mag 50c10 at palitan yung 42 c10 ko =(
I have auditioned the 42C10 and picture quality is impressive for its price if not very particular with black levels or screen reflectivity issue.
I just noticed that at viewing distance of 7 feet, the pixel structures is still a bit prominent to my eyes. This is not the case with 1080 plasma 42S10.
Does anyone also have same observation?
Just came to know about this issue. Can you inquire your mom if the staff is a woman or a man. This staff will be reprimanded once I get to identify him.I second the motion, last time na pumunta ako bibili sana ako sa Sight and sound ng 42s10 , para sa bahay namin sa Mla. pero masungit talaga yung babaeing nasa kahera. kaya bumili nalang ako sa List in style kahit mas mahal ng 1T pesos. Now balak ko naman bumili ng 50s10 para sa bahay namin sa province. pag nandun naman yung masungit na babae ewan ko lang. calling the attention of manager Vic.
Thank you for giving us the feedback. Will definitely put my hand on this rude personnel.
Please note that
42" c10 plasma has 1024 x 768 pixels while the
42" s10 plasma has 1920 x 1024 pixels.
Since more pixels are compressed in the 42" s10 unit, it means the pixels for the s10 are smaller compared to that from the c10. It's more of the horizontal pixels which are very obvious. The Full HD s10 has twice as many horizontal pixels. The pixels are visible at 4 to 5 feet viewing distance.
I don't remember where I read before that the optimal flatscreen tv is screen size x 1.5.
For a
TV size (diagonal) viewing distance(minimum)
42" 42 x 1.5 or 63" (approxiate 5 feet)
50" 50 x 1.5 or 75" (approximate 6 feet)
60" 60 x 1.5 or 90" (approximate 7 feet)
Get the biggest size that your budget permit, for your viewing pleasure will be enhanced greatly. Am enjoying the 42c10 plasma. Although sometimes I wished I have more money so I can get the 50" plasma. Have a good and Godly day.
i think it is x2.5 to x3.0 of the screen size is the optimal viewing distance.
Please note that
42" c10 plasma has 1024 x 768 pixels while the
42" s10 plasma has 1920 x 1024 pixels.
Since more pixels are compressed in the 42" s10 unit, it means the pixels for the s10 are smaller compared to that from the c10. It's more of the horizontal pixels which are very obvious. The Full HD s10 has twice as many horizontal pixels. The pixels are visible at 4 to 5 feet viewing distance.
I don't remember where I read before that the optimal flatscreen tv is screen size x 1.5.
For a
TV size (diagonal) viewing distance(minimum)
42" 42 x 1.5 or 63" (approxiate 5 feet)
50" 50 x 1.5 or 75" (approximate 6 feet)
60" 60 x 1.5 or 90" (approximate 7 feet)
Get the biggest size that your budget permit, for your viewing pleasure will be enhanced greatly. Am enjoying the 42c10 plasma. Although sometimes I wished I have more money so I can get the 50" plasma. Have a good and Godly day.
yes that' what puzzled me, it shouldve beeen the same. regarding the viewing angle, we were standing approximately 8ft away making sure we were perpendicular to the screen of the unit we were auditioning. actually this was observed by some other friends of mine when they visited ansons (i thnk) we just wanted to knw if we had the same impression. bt i was really dead set on getting the 42c10, until yesterday.Could it be because of the native resolution of the panels?
first of all your choice of media. I'm assuming by "standar dvd of 2012" you mean it's a pirated version of 2012. I just guessed because currently 2012 in Amazon.com is still not released.
Could it be because of the native resolution of the panels?
While 50inch is larger by 8" diagonally, it also has a better resolution of 1366 x 768 or 1MP versus the 42" resolution of 1024 x 768 or 786,432pixels. So in effect the 50C10 has finer details?
Blu-Ray:
Using a PS3 set at 1080p for both the S10 and the C10 gave mixed results:
-With a new movie like "The Dark Knight", both the S10 and the C10 gave very good picture quality. The S10 with it's 1080 moving resolution bested the C10 in the area of motion flow.
-Popping an old and somewhat poor transfer like "Bram Stockers: Dracula", delivered varied results for me. The S10 came off flat, soft and somewhat dull. The C10's inherently "glossy" pic (thanks to the reflective screen), gave a more "high-def" look with colors that seem to be more alive.
So far, the S10 remains the "weaker" of the Panny 2009 offerings in my possession...My brain can't accept what my eyes are telling me, so I may do another round"
Presently with the 2009 models I have (G11,C10,S10) the S10, for me, was the "weakest" of the bunch, despite the bannered 1080p flash!
The G series on the other hand is a clear winner:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=98930.120
Sabi ni sir Carlo mas maganda pa raw ang C10. Eto yung comment niya:
Yes, everytime I look at them both, mas maganda talaga ang C10^^^
Anyway, mga tsip, my C10 seems to be switching off at random intervals! I got a new power cord along with a new AVR and yet it still happens.
Any ideas?
Claim warranty via seller/dealer. ;D
Anyway, mga tsip, my C10 seems to be switching off at random intervals! I got a new power cord along with a new AVR and yet it still happens.
Any ideas?
Yes, everytime I look at them both, mas maganda talaga ang C10^^^
Anyway, mga tsip, my C10 seems to be switching off at random intervals! I got a new power cord along with a new AVR and yet it still happens.
Any ideas?
I second the motion, last time na pumunta ako bibili sana ako sa Sight and sound ng 42s10 , para sa bahay namin sa Mla. pero masungit talaga yung babaeing nasa kahera. kaya bumili nalang ako sa List in style kahit mas mahal ng 1T pesos. Now balak ko naman bumili ng 50s10 para sa bahay namin sa province. pag nandun naman yung masungit na babae ewan ko lang. calling the attention of manager Vic.
When I was at Sights and Sounds they still have the Legendary 50PV80 (one of the best plasma units to come out). Check it out kung meron pa...
For those who are bothered by the reflective screen of the C10 this is a very good bet.
Exactly why I bought my 42PV80 even if I still didn't need it. Great TV talaga. Downside lang with the PV80 as against the C10, is that the PV80 requires slightly more electricity.
BTW, anybody know when the C10 initially came out in the Philippines? I'm wondering when the new series will come out and if the C10 prices will go down.
At SM appliances, there was a L32S10 and 42C10 playing the same video loop. Without even bothering with the settings, I really liked the LCD better. LCD looks warmer with the color popping. Plasma looked subdued compared to the LCD, almost as if there was a very fine meshed screen infront of it-preventing it from looking as vibrant as the LCD.
I noticed that too. And that also led me to check amazon ;).
But if a pirate version of 2012 was used on the 42C10, the comparison is still fair because the 50C10 was also playing the same pirate version.
I'm thinking that a slight difference could be caused by the native pixel ratio.
1024 x 768 pixels is a 4:3 ratio, called "XGA" (Extended Graphics Array), originally designed for 4:3 computer monitors.
1366 x 768 pixels is a true 16:9 ratio, called "WXGA" (Wide XGA), a non-standard resolution originally designed for widescreen LCD monitors and TVs.
The 42C10 native resolution ratio is 4:3, but it uses rectangular pixels to make a 16:9 screen. The 50C10 uses a 16:9 native pixel resolution ratio on a matching 16:9 screen.
My theory is that it's likely that a 1366 x 768 TV will outperform a 1024 x 768 TV because it would be easier to design a good internal scaler for square pixels than for rectangular pixels.
I have the Panny P42C10 and for me, I find it better than my other Samsung LCD TV - the picture quality is more "cinematic". The colors in this plasma are not too bright nor saturated such that it's more realistic (especially in showing black levels and grey shades). Of course, in a brightly-lit showroom, the brighter LCD will look "better" (because the colors will be stronger and brighter) than plasma. But try watching for longer periods of time and the plasma will appear better, non-fatiguing visually (the equivalent of non-fatiguing sound that one can compliment better audio systems).
On both DVD and BD (via PS3), the Panny plasma gives off a better color balance and better overall picture quality. And especially on regular TV viewing via cable, the Panny plasma has a better viewing experience, as it shows less or none of the signal distortions/noise such as horizontal "line buzz" that are more obvious on the LCD (we have Sky Cable, and the signal is already quite good, watching cinema channels on plasma like HBO, Star Movies and Cinemax look like watching DVD!).
... ang distance ko po kasi sa screen would be about 12ft ...
... ang tanong ko lang po, ano po kaya sa tingin niyo ang maganda given my viewing distance..42c10/50c10?
... or do you guys think i should go Full HD for the 42s10? hindi na kasi kaya ng budget yung 50s10 e..your comments will be greatly appreciated
Btw, OKay po ba 720p viewing sa 50c10? TYIA
At SM appliances, there was a L32S10 and 42C10 playing the same video loop. Without even bothering with the settings, I really liked the LCD better. LCD looks warmer with the color popping. Plasma looked subdued compared to the LCD, almost as if there was a very fine meshed screen infront of it-preventing it from looking as vibrant as the LCD.
bro, as per my research upon reading tons of reviews and other threads as well as actual viewing, i would recommend the 50c10. Especially considering your viewing distance of 12 ft. At first kc i was also concerned with the 720 "only" res of the 50c10 but you're right, not noticeable yun difference sa 1080p unless you move in 6ft or closer. Most of the people i know who upgraded their display unit usually end up saying "sayang sana yun mas malaki na lang kinuha ko" :D so yes, in this case size wins. plus, the 50c10 delivers astoundingly natural color that's soothing to the eyes, the very reason why people here prefer plasma over lcd, one look at the 50c10 and you'll know why.
So anybody know the cheapest 42C10 price now?
just want to ask this to the owners...
how much "damage" did the 42c10 (@ 280watts)/ 50c10 (@385 watts) do to your electric bills? were there any significant increase? i went to MAC by Meralco but I found it a bit vague...
thanks!
bro, as per my research upon reading tons of reviews and other threads as well as actual viewing, i would recommend the 50c10. Especially considering your viewing distance of 12 ft. At first kc i was also concerned with the 720 "only" res of the 50c10 but you're right, not noticeable yun difference sa 1080p unless you move in 6ft or closer. Most of the people i know who upgraded their display unit usually end up saying "sayang sana yun mas malaki na lang kinuha ko" :D so yes, in this case size wins. plus, the 50c10 delivers astoundingly natural color that's soothing to the eyes, the very reason why people here prefer plasma over lcd, one look at the 50c10 and you'll know why.+1 very gentle on eyes compare to LCD.
based on the calibration done at SnS, here is the recommended setting:
NORMAL
contrast 68
brightness +1
color +45
sharpness +51
tint +1
color balance Warm
color management Off
xV color Off
just got my 42c10 @ 39,888 w/ free hdmi and 1 year warranty
so far so good
Nice! Saang store ito? Panasonic Philippines ba ang warranty? Thanks for the info!
just had mine calibrated earlier by the guy from SnS... had different settings. just sharing.
NORMAL
contrast 59
brightness +3
color +44
sharpness +50
tint 0
color balance Warm
color management Off
xV color Off
eto setting ni Carlo777 ginaya ko ok namn lalo malamig sa mata.
During the "Break-in" period I use these settings;
Mode: Cinema
Contrast: 48
Brightness: -1
Color: 50
Sharpness: 49
Temp: Normal
Tint: 0
C.Management: Off
sir carlo gano katagal break in setting?
100 hours lang tsip=)after 100 hours,ano po magandang settings?TIA rod
after 100 hours,ano po magandang settings?TIA rodTnx sir carlo! same question with retro sir?
Tnx sir carlo! same question with retro sir?
after 100 hours,ano po magandang settings?TIA rod
sirs tulong namansame sakin before. are you using 5.1 or speaker ng tv lng? sa home theater 5.1 auto setup na check ko negative ang center at positive surround. ganon yata pag your watching 5.1 kasi sa movie house d ba malakas tlga ang surround at tama lng ang center. d lng tau sanay sa house na ganon din kalakas. try watching sa rockwell and compare mo sa room mo naka 5.1 same vol. hehe ;D
may settings ba kayo ng audio?
ung sakin kasi pag movies, ang hina ng speech volume pero normal ung background sound (music, sound effects etc) pero pag speech mahina. pag nilakasan ko naman ung volume for the speech to be audible, napalakas naman ng background so ang nangyayari manual mode ako ngayon, lagi ko hawak remote >:(
So anybody know the cheapest 42C10 price now? :DKay sir jeff yung pana 42 c10 nya 38k lang, by order daw.
Kay sir jeff yung pana 42 c10 nya 38k lang, by order daw.
same sakin before. are you using 5.1 or speaker ng tv lng? sa home theater 5.1 auto setup na check ko negative ang center at positive surround. ganon yata pag your watching 5.1 kasi sa movie house d ba malakas tlga ang surround at tama lng ang center. d lng tau sanay sa house na ganon din kalakas. try watching sa rockwell and compare mo sa room mo naka 5.1 same vol. hehe ;D
In preparation for the arrival of my BD player, please enlighten on the audio connections. First, I connect the HDMI cable to the panny plasma. This includes audio right? Then I connect the audio cable to my yamaha for the 5.1 speakers. When I play movies, do i mute the plasma or automatic sya na mag off once the audio cable is activated? or does it play together with the HT for better sound? please advise gurus. Thanks.
Yamaha AVR ito or HTIB? If its a yamaha AVR and can decode audio via hdmi, just connect your HDMI from the BD player to your AVR and connect another HDMI cable from the yamaha to your Plasma.
On the other hand, if your AVR does not decode audio via HDMI, you can still connect your HDMI cable to your AVR but you have to have another cable (optical or coaxial) connected to your AVR.
If your AVR does not have HDMI, just connect your HDMI directly to your TV and connect an audio cable (optical or coaxial to your AVR). In this scenario, you have to change the setting on your BD player to send only video and not audio. Otherwise, yes you'll have to mute your TV so that you won't have to sound sources. (TV and separate speakers)
how do you go about the 100 hours burn in process ?
meron ba link dyan
how do you go about the 100 hours burn in process ?
meron ba link dyan
remember my 24 hour whitewash burn in procedure ;D
yeah bro 30 minutes paused
but after that long pause, i did finish the movie (must be the reason why i dont see it after) ???
panasonic said it's burn proof anyway (naniwala lang ako sa sinabi nila) :D :D
================para sa akin di mo na kailangan gawin, pero sabi nga nila precaution lang. wala naman mawawala. besides it's just 100 hours. kung mainipin ka, 24 hours white wash lang (faster burning kasi white tapos balance pa sa buong screen) ;)
sir kailangan ba talagang gawin ito? kasi im buying a grey unit from a seller here...mahirap kasi ipa warranty ang 42" na plasma.(C10 @ 29k).
thanks
para sa akin di mo na kailangan gawin, pero sabi nga nila precaution lang. wala naman mawawala. besides it's just 100 hours. kung mainipin ka, 24 hours white wash lang (faster burning kasi white tapos balance pa sa buong screen) ;)
in my experience, after several months of watching i have completely forgotten about the "burn marks". nung una medyo OC ako and true enough, upon close scrutiny you can see some marks, in my case, the BTV logo, the home settings menu of my BD player, etc. but after a while you simply ignore it. I don't even notice them anymore. And my viewing pleasure has been increased kasi nga di ko na pinoproblema ito. I just sit back and enjoy the movie ;D
para sa akin di mo na kailangan gawin, pero sabi nga nila precaution lang. wala naman mawawala. besides it's just 100 hours. kung mainipin ka, 24 hours white wash lang (faster burning kasi white tapos balance pa sa buong screen) ;)
How do you do the white wash? Thanks!
sirs tulong namanyou need a receiver that can do dynamic volume. no workaround bro, sorry :(
may settings ba kayo ng audio?
ung sakin kasi pag movies, ang hina ng speech volume pero normal ung background sound (music, sound effects etc) pero pag speech mahina. pag nilakasan ko naman ung volume for the speech to be audible, napalakas naman ng background so ang nangyayari manual mode ako ngayon, lagi ko hawak remote >:(
ung sakin kasi pag movies, ang hina ng speech volume pero normal ung background sound (music, sound effects etc) pero pag speech mahina.
pag nilakasan ko naman ung volume for the speech to be audible, napalakas naman ng background so ang nangyayari manual mode ako ngayon, lagi ko hawak remote >:(