Post by: xdaatom206 on Jul 20, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Post by: textmailbox on Jul 28, 2009 at 01:32 PM
Any info on Sakura Tube Amps in the market
Nakakita ako ng Sakura Tube Amps @200W at around 3.5K lang ang price. Duon sa may tabi ng UNO Sporting Goods sa Raon.
Nagagandahan nga ako kase maliit siya at cute, parang gusto ko rin magkaroon. Di ko lang na-audition kase naka-plastic ang display at dyahi ako dahil di ko pa siya na-research, pero sabi ng may-ari ng store ay mahusay daw tumunog dahil parang diesel daw na habang umiinit lalong clear ang sound output. :)
Siyanga pala, hybrid ng tube at transistors ang laman, sabi ng may-ari ng store.
Sana next time marinig natin ang tunog, parang naaalala ko tuloy erpat ko na nagpapatugtog ng marching band LPs. :D
Post by: John E. on Jul 28, 2009 at 01:40 PM
Nakakita ako ng Sakura Tube Amps @200W at around 3.5K lang ang price. Duon sa may tabi ng UNO Sporting Goods sa Raon.
Nagagandahan nga ako kase maliit siya at cute, parang gusto ko rin magkaroon. Di ko lang na-audition kase naka-plastic ang display at dyahi ako dahil di ko pa siya na-research, pero sabi ng may-ari ng store ay mahusay daw tumunog dahil parang diesel daw na habang umiinit lalong clear ang sound output. :)
Siyanga pala, hybrid ng tube at transistors ang laman, sabi ng may-ari ng store.
Sana next time marinig natin ang tunog, parang naaalala ko tuloy erpat ko na nagpapatugtog ng marching band LPs. :D
wow 200w na tube amp! this i got to see! post pics naman yung mga nakakita.
thanks!
Post by: jerix on Jul 29, 2009 at 11:56 AM
wow 200w na tube amp! this i got to see! post pics naman yung mga nakakita.
thanks!
Yes me too nagka interes tuloy ako to have a tube amp.
Post by: textmailbox on Aug 26, 2009 at 08:25 AM
Eto na yung picture ng Sakura AV-200 Amp @100wpc sa Raon.
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt245/textmailbox/08252009001.jpg)
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt245/textmailbox/08252009.jpg)
Front Panel:
Input Selector
Power Button
Volume Control
Side Panel:
Bass Control
Treble Control
Magkaka-idea na naman ang Konzert na magkaroon ng ganito. :D :D :D
Post by: John E. on Aug 26, 2009 at 09:30 AM
Eto na yung picture ng Sakura AV-200 Amp @100wpc sa Raon.
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt245/textmailbox/08252009001.jpg)
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt245/textmailbox/08252009.jpg)
Front Panel:
Input Selector
Power Button
Volume Control
Side Panel:
Bass Control
Treble Control
Magkaka-idea na naman ang Konzert na magkaroon ng ganito. :D :D :D
nice ;D
i also saw that being sold at eBay PH.
Post by: Schrodinger's cat on Aug 26, 2009 at 03:41 PM
Since meron ng pics nung front si textmailbox, eto na lang yung likod:
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg47/ubunterror/P8260007.jpg)
Instead na 'Sakura' nakalagay, eh 'Sakua' ??? . Tapos nakalagay 'POWER OUTPUT(PMPO)......MAX.200W+200W' (hindi pala RMS):
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg47/ubunterror/P8260006.jpg)
Specs sa manual (nakasulat din pmpo):
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg47/ubunterror/P8260003.jpg)
Sabi dun sa store eh mga 2 weeks daw bago mapalitan. :P
Post by: jerix on Aug 26, 2009 at 03:46 PM
Post by: Schrodinger's cat on Aug 26, 2009 at 03:50 PM
PMPO not RMS so 20 watts lang ang RMS nya?
Pano ba mag-convert? Ewan ko nga eh, wala yatang definite formula to convert PMPO to RMS, let's see what the experts say.
Post by: jerix on Aug 26, 2009 at 03:53 PM
Post by: Schrodinger's cat on Aug 26, 2009 at 03:58 PM
Post by: textmailbox on Aug 26, 2009 at 05:51 PM
SAKUA kase yata yun at hindi SAKURA. :D
May warranty naman sila sa Raon pag binili ang item.
At sa opinyon ko lang, kailangan talaga ng ingat kapag vacuum tube ang amplifier.
Dapat i-match ang speaker impedance at controlled environment, di siya talaga pwede gamitin kung saan-saan dahil fragile ang vacuum tube.
Nuong araw na panahon ng mga olds ko, di pwede basta hawakan ang vacuum tube at madaling masisira ang amplifier.
Ewan ko ngayon...
:)
Post by: Schrodinger's cat on Aug 26, 2009 at 06:45 PM
SAKUA kase yata yun at hindi SAKURA. :D
<snip>
He he! It's the same unit bro, Sakura yung nakalagay sa box at sa front ng unit, pero Sakua yung nasa likod :D So either na misspell ng Sakura yung name nila sa likod, or counterfeit Sakura ito. ;D
Na-tempt lang daw yung bumili kasi mura nga, even if signs point to it as most probably an imitation, a Sakura imitation at that (not sure ito ha).
At any rate, caveat emptor ... ;)
Post by: Stagea on Aug 27, 2009 at 01:30 AM
Interesting siya because of the entry price, wala pang kalahati ng presyo ng Dared MP-5. Mas mura pa sa mga T-Amps.
Post by: textmailbox on Aug 27, 2009 at 09:08 AM
He he! It's the same unit bro, Sakura yung nakalagay sa box at sa front ng unit, pero Sakua yung nasa likod :D So either na misspell ng Sakura yung name nila sa likod, or counterfeit Sakura ito. ;D
Na-tempt lang daw yung bumili kasi mura nga, even if signs point to it as most probably an imitation, a Sakura imitation at that (not sure ito ha).
At any rate, caveat emptor ... ;)
Hmmm... baka nga imitation na Sakura amp yan. Kaya nga siguro mura. ;)
Post by: textmailbox on Sep 14, 2009 at 06:35 PM
Nag set-up ako ng KSS-10 speaker para sa Sakura 502K. Guess what? Maganda ang tunog, kahit hi-fi lang okay na okay ang kantahan. May extra bass power na rin naman ang Sakura 502K, kahit wala pa akong subwoofer ayos lang.
Take note: Karamihan sa mga videoke machine ngayon sa Raon Sakura 502K na ang ginagamit. Ayaw na ng mga customer magpalagay ng 502A marami daw kaseng peke lalo sa Raon.
:D :D :D
Post by: jerix on Sep 17, 2009 at 09:26 AM
Post by: textmailbox on Sep 18, 2009 at 09:37 AM
Eto yung sinasabi nilang peke, tube amp na wala naman talaga sa product catalog ng Crown at Sakura.
So far, puro Sakura 502K integrated amp ngayon ang mga gamit sa build-up ng karaoke machines sa Raon.
Post by: rnb_zounds on Sep 18, 2009 at 11:30 AM
Kamusta naman kaya tunog niyan... di ba ma"SAKUA"? ??? Pangalan nalang kokopyahin, mali pa. :o ;D ::)
Post by: oweidah on Sep 18, 2009 at 11:45 AM
Kamusta naman kaya tunog niyan... di ba ma"SAKUA"? ??? Pangalan nalang kokopyahin, mali pa. :o ;D ::)
hi ryan! oonga "whats in a name? a rose by any other name would smell as sweet"; basta ok ang tunog ayos!
uso naman ang gaya-gaya ng mga named brands- sony/sonny;sunny ;D
Post by: JojoD818 on Sep 22, 2009 at 12:05 PM
panalo ka rito, i can not DIY them for the price.... ;D
yung tube amp, ipa mod mo kay jojod and you will have a winner also...
korek tony... took a peek before on a 502a i think and i can't explain how they do it but they're doing it. the discrete amp was simplified with the absence of current mirrors, cascodes, etc. though the published output power is so way beyond the actual power but hey, for 3k+ panalo!
Post by: oweidah on Sep 23, 2009 at 05:03 PM
4.1k initial price may tawad pa daw
front panel> selector . power . volume
side > bass & treble
apat na tubes ang gamit. dalawa sa harap parang 6922/6dj8, yung 2 sa likod na mas malaki. 4pins lang 5z4p at 787j ang marka.
ganda ng finishing. not tested. inabot ako ng ulan eh ;D
eto kaya panapat sa dared mp5? why 200w? eh ang gaan nung binuhat ko! ::) :o
Post by: JojoD818 on Sep 23, 2009 at 05:48 PM
Eto na yung picture ng Sakura AV-200 Amp @100wpc sa Raon.
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt245/textmailbox/08252009001.jpg)
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt245/textmailbox/08252009.jpg)
Front Panel:
Input Selector
Power Button
Volume Control
Side Panel:
Bass Control
Treble Control
Magkaka-idea na naman ang Konzert na magkaroon ng ganito. :D :D :D
There should be a schematic with the manual, pa post naman para makita namin ni Tony... ;D
Di ko kasi alam kung saan kukunin yun 200W... ::)
Post by: markcrenz on Sep 23, 2009 at 06:46 PM
There should be a schematic with the manual, pa post naman para makita namin ni Tony... ;D
Di ko kasi alam kung saan kukunin yun 200W... ::)
SAKURA --> SAKUA?
200W --> 20W?
EDITED to highlight important mod:
replace the input caps of the power amp board with a film cap type...
the power amp input ecap could be leaky, a 1ufd film cap will do nicely,......
while you are at it, parallel the miniature tube unused pins, 1//6; 2//8; 3//8.....
less ecap to worry about.
Post by: JojoD818 on Sep 23, 2009 at 09:39 PM
hindi naman siya power consumption kasi power output nakasulat... baka hybrid siguro yan?
pero what bothers me is the Frequency Response spec... +/-2dB? nakakalito naman yan... ::)
Post by: frootloops on Sep 23, 2009 at 09:45 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Sep 23, 2009 at 10:00 PM
The famous PMPO! ;D
Unfortunately...
Post by: oweidah on Sep 24, 2009 at 07:28 AM
nung binuhat ko, parang wala transformer sa gaan!
kahoy pa ang ginamit na material as cage nung supposedly transformer. may fan pa!
my guess> hybrid
(hindi naman kaya tripath chip ::) ;D )
5z4p 4pin fullwave rectifier tube > http://us.100y.com.tw/pdf_file/5Z4P.pdf
http://www.tubeampdoctor.com/english-store/5Z4P-Tube-Full-Wave-Rectifier-pid-1320.htm
its chinese tube and one net info sez can be substituted w/5z4g
(http://us.100y.com.tw/product_jpg_big/A016214.jpg)
Since meron ng pics nung front si textmailbox, eto na lang yung likod:
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg47/ubunterror/P8260007.jpg)
Post by: JojoD818 on Sep 24, 2009 at 02:49 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Sep 25, 2009 at 08:59 AM
smps na nga yan, yung rectifier pang showmanship lang, para masabi na de-tubo..... ;D
langy, parang showbiz ah... ;D ;D ;D
meron cover sa ibabaw ng amp baka nandun yun tranny...
Post by: oweidah on Sep 25, 2009 at 10:18 AM
naalala kng bigla yung isang thread na may rectifier pero tumutunog pa rin kahit wala yung tube.... ;D :D :D
pero bibile ako ng sakura para gawin kong refference amp..... ;D
ako rin! kaya lang wala daw schematic ;D
how does its s.q. fare vs. hybrid mosfet dared mp5? ::)
200wats pwedengpwede pang rakrakan. ;D
(unless mahubaran si emperor sakura, di magkaalaman hehehe)
naghihintayan kung sino una bibile. (kundi umulan at naghihintay si mang gerry, baka nag-gamble ako ipatest, sayang). baka mamaya ;D
*edit/add
btw shops name is RALD ALLIED electricalsupplies 733-1762 and 733-1777 ; i think its the owner who gave me calling card. [email protected]
Post by: JojoD818 on Sep 25, 2009 at 11:45 AM
naalala kng bigla yung isang thread na may rectifier pero tumutunog pa rin kahit wala yung tube.... ;D :D :D
pero bibile ako ng sakura para gawin kong refference amp..... ;D
possible na tube input, ss output kaya may fan sa loob yun heatsinks... ;D
Post by: diy_master on Sep 25, 2009 at 08:05 PM
sana may nakabili na patingin naman more pics ;D kung pwede sama na pics yun loob... ;)
sir ako meron nito. mahirap i rate ang tunog. After ko i tweak, tinabi ko na fisher ko. :D
Post by: oweidah on Sep 25, 2009 at 09:34 PM
sir ako meron nito. mahirap i rate ang tunog. After ko i tweak, tinabi ko na fisher ko. :D
ayos ! "giantkiller ba? yun tipo pwede magkaron ng "cultfollowing?" Sakuaistas! ;D
pwede na itabi allied333 ko!?
friday traffic quiapo day, di natuloy audition.
sir pwede malaman ano tweakable parts? 200wpc ba? ano est. mo rms power nya 20-20/8ohms
tnx
Post by: diy_master on Sep 25, 2009 at 10:43 PM
ayos ! "giantkiller ba? yun tipo pwede magkaron ng "cultfollowing?" Sakuaistas! ;D
pwede na itabi allied333 ko!?
friday traffic quiapo day, di natuloy audition.
sir pwede malaman ano tweakable parts? 200wpc ba? ano est. mo rms power nya 20-20/8ohms
tnx
25w per channel lang and ang tube pre-amp section lang. Dami akong pinalitan mga 25-30 items.
Post by: iiinas on Sep 25, 2009 at 11:07 PM
Post by: oweidah on Sep 25, 2009 at 11:21 PM
25w per channel lang and ang tube pre-amp section lang. Dami akong pinalitan mga 25-30 items.
congrats sir anthony!
aroooojoshkupo! meron ganon kadami piyesa sa loob? buti di kinalog nung binuhat ko ;D
basta maganda ang tunog at may upgraded parts availabilty pwede na sugalan. worth a try. (ibang usapan naman ang gastos baka mas mahal pa sa buong amp ::) ;D
Post by: iiinas on Sep 25, 2009 at 11:26 PM
congrats sir anthony!
aroooojoshkupo! meron ganon kadami piyesa sa loob? buti di kinalog nung binuhat ko ;D
basta maganda ang tunog at may upgraded parts availabilty pwede na sugalan. worth a try. (ibang usapan naman ang gastos baka mas mahal pa sa buong amp ::) ;D
hehe, yun nga gusto kong itanong kay sir anthony, magkano inabot yung 25-30 parts na yon? ;D
Post by: John E. on Sep 26, 2009 at 12:28 AM
maganda nga sana pati loob ;D
Post by: JojoD818 on Sep 26, 2009 at 01:28 AM
oo nga ano? a la joe rasmussen..... ;D
mismo, pero mukhang maraming pinagkaiba... actually, the Dared MP5 is much much much more like Joe's JLTi series...
ako rin! kaya lang wala daw schematic ;D
how does its s.q. fare vs. hybrid mosfet dared mp5? ::)
200wats pwedengpwede pang rakrakan. ;D
(unless mahubaran si emperor sakura, di magkaalaman hehehe)
naghihintayan kung sino una bibile. (kundi umulan at naghihintay si mang gerry, baka nag-gamble ako ipatest, sayang). baka mamaya ;D
*edit/add
btw shops name is RALD ALLIED electricalsupplies 733-1762 and 733-1777 ; i think its the owner who gave me calling card. [email protected]
fyi lang po sir, wala po laman mosfet part ang Dared MP5, not even in the power supply. it's a different rendition of Joe Rasmussen's tube buffered gainclone with the addition of a usb input and a headphone out.
Post by: JojoD818 on Sep 26, 2009 at 01:35 AM
sir ako meron nito. mahirap i rate ang tunog. After ko i tweak, tinabi ko na fisher ko. :D
sir, bale mas maganda pa siya sa fisher mo nun na tweak mo?
if ever you have time baka pwede pics of what's inside... gusto ko lang makita topology and satisfy my curiosity.
thanks
Post by: oweidah on Sep 26, 2009 at 07:14 AM
fyi lang po sir, wala po laman mosfet part ang Dared MP5, not even in the power supply. it's a different rendition of Joe Rasmussen's tube buffered gainclone with the addition of a usb input and a headphone out.
tnx. i googled "dared mp5" and clicked the 1st result i got>
http://www.enjoythemusic.com/Magazine/equipment/0306/dared_mp5.htm
March 2006
Dared MP-5 Vacuum Tube Amplifier
Daring to be different.
Review By Jeff Rabin
The Dared MP-5 Vacuum Tube Amplifier (or should I more accurately say, USB DAC, Headphone Amplifier, Hybrid Tube and MOSFET Single Input Integrated Amplifier with Magic Eye, for it is all these things) I am afraid to say is not such a product. Exhale. That said, however, the DARED MP-5 amplifier is quite simply one of the most whimsical, fun and useful pieces of good sounding gear that has crossed my desk in a long while. Indeed, it is so oddball in function that I don’t even know how to classify it.
...
The name doesn't, to me anyway, give much indication as to what the product is or does. In fact, I have come almost to associate anything with the letters mp before it as a sign of something less than hi-fi, of lossy codecs, IPODs, and a woman with unfeasibly large forearms named Frau Hoffer. Call this amp what you will, and the naming of the product is the one lacunae of imagination and execution on the part of the designers, but the MP-5 would seem to belong to a whole new category or categories of hi-fi component because not only is it a USB DAC, a single input integrated amplifier, a headphone amp, a user of one of my favorite amplifier topologies (lush tubes upfront and creamy MOSFETs out back) it even has a brand new, Chinese sourced magic eye which is there for no other reason than I can see than to provide a light show. The MP-5 is a veritable Swiss Army knife of a hi-fi component that I didn’t even know I needed.
Post by: JojoD818 on Sep 26, 2009 at 09:00 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/jojod818/Dared%20MP5/04.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/jojod818/Dared%20MP5/03.jpg)
Post by: iceman90a on Sep 27, 2009 at 01:42 PM
Post by: diy_master on Sep 27, 2009 at 11:50 PM
sir, bale mas maganda pa siya sa fisher mo nun na tweak mo?
if ever you have time baka pwede pics of what's inside... gusto ko lang makita topology and satisfy my curiosity.
thanks
yes sir mas maganda pa sa fisher ko. post ko picture bukas medyo buzy sa baha hanggang hita d2 sa amin.
Post by: interceptor on Sep 28, 2009 at 12:43 AM
Post by: oweidah on Sep 28, 2009 at 11:30 AM
yes sir mas maganda pa sa fisher ko. post ko picture bukas medyo buzy sa baha hanggang hita d2 sa amin.
sir pwede pa post din pics ng mga tweaked/upgraded parts. tnx
coming from sir anthony, to claim that the upgraded/tweaked sakua is better than his fisher x100 int.amp sez a lot about the potential of this "hybrid amp".
Post by: JojoD818 on Sep 28, 2009 at 04:25 PM
Dared yan Jo? ano gagawin mo?
Yup Dared yan paps, pinag aaralan ko muna mabuti...
yes sir mas maganda pa sa fisher ko. post ko picture bukas medyo buzy sa baha hanggang hita d2 sa amin.
Wow, a Fisher bowing to a Sakura is really something. Hope everything is ok diyan sa inyo Master Anthony, dito sa Marulas bubong na lang naiwan.
Post by: interceptor on Sep 28, 2009 at 07:24 PM
if a sakura is modded already...
Yup Dared yan paps, pinag aaralan ko muna mabuti...
Wow, a Fisher bowing to a Sakura is really something. Hope everything is ok diyan sa inyo Master Anthony, dito sa Marulas bubong na lang naiwan.
di na po sakura yan...
HYBRID na malamang...
Post by: JojoD818 on Sep 28, 2009 at 07:33 PM
if a sakura is modded already...
di na po sakura yan...
HYBRID na malamang...
from the looks of it sir, it is already a HYBRID in the first place...
Post by: interceptor on Sep 28, 2009 at 09:01 PM
its now what i meant sir...
from the looks of it sir, it is already a HYBRID in the first place...
di na po sya dapat tawagin na sakura, kasi nga modded na sya...
Post by: JojoD818 on Sep 28, 2009 at 09:28 PM
its now what i meant sir...
di na po sya dapat tawagin na sakura, kasi nga modded na sya...
what I meant was, hybrid na siya kahit stock pa siya so kahit anong mod ang gawin ay hybrid pa din. ;D labo ko ba, hangover kay Ondoy...
edit: i'm waiting for my schematic to confirm if it is indeed a stock hybrid... my neighbor wants to try one daw. :)
Post by: networkingguy on Oct 05, 2009 at 11:27 PM
yes sir mas maganda pa sa fisher ko. post ko picture bukas medyo buzy sa baha hanggang hita d2 sa amin.
Sir, I got one here in Cebu so far so good. She's driving Pioneer CS803 4 way speaker system. May I know sir ano yung pinalitan mo sa loob para gayahin ko dito sa Cebu. Thanks po.
Post by: oweidah on Oct 05, 2009 at 11:40 PM
Sir, I got one here in Cebu so far so good. She's driving Pioneer CS803 4 way speaker system. May I know sir ano yung pinalitan mo sa loob para gayahin ko dito sa Cebu. Thanks po.
bai,
or you can post the closeup pics of your stock sakua's innards perhaps the gurus here can take if from there and suggest the possible tweaks.
Post by: networkingguy on Oct 05, 2009 at 11:45 PM
bai,
or you can post the closeup pics of your stock sakua's innards perhaps he gurus here can take if from there and suggest the possible tweaks.
Ok Bai try ko open siya and take some picutres on it.
Post by: diy_master on Oct 08, 2009 at 07:50 PM
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z103/diy_master/DSC00406.jpg)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z103/diy_master/DSC00401.jpg)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z103/diy_master/DSC00399.jpg)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z103/diy_master/DSC00402.jpg)
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 09, 2009 at 12:53 AM
thanks for the pics.
Post by: anchit on Oct 09, 2009 at 08:03 AM
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z103/diy_master/DSC00396.jpg)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z103/diy_master/DSC00406.jpg)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z103/diy_master/DSC00401.jpg)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z103/diy_master/DSC00399.jpg)
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z103/diy_master/DSC00402.jpg)
magkano naman bro inabot yung pag modify mo? kung 3.5k ang base price ng unit ++++ ng modifications???
Post by: deng8 on Oct 09, 2009 at 01:18 PM
Sir, I got one here in Cebu so far so good. She's driving Pioneer CS803 4 way speaker system. May I know sir ano yung pinalitan mo sa loob para gayahin ko dito sa Cebu. Thanks po.
bai, saan store at address sa cebu nabili mo ang amp at magkano? thanks po.
Post by: oweidah on Oct 09, 2009 at 08:34 PM
ewan lang kung kay mang gerry caps etc ;D ::) sayang walang parts list ang sakua ;D
sana may amperex a or L frames pa ma-ukay-ukay ;D
Post by: diy_master on Oct 10, 2009 at 12:25 AM
magkano naman bro inabot yung pag modify mo? kung 3.5k ang base price ng unit ++++ ng modifications???
3k sir parts and labor na.
Post by: endrik35 on Oct 10, 2009 at 09:12 AM
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt198/endrik35/10082009492.jpg)
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt198/endrik35/10082009493.jpg)
Post by: oweidah on Oct 10, 2009 at 09:33 AM
Was able to audition this amp last thursday at diy_master's house. He tweaked it, added alps potentiometer and substituted the capacitor and resistors and voila! the sound blew me away! This sub 4k amp tweaked by Anthony would put to shame far more expensive tube amps like the Dared's and the Cayins for just a little piece of your hard earned money! You have to hear it to believe it! here are pics I tooked of his tweaked Sakura amp! :)
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt198/endrik35/10082009492.jpg)
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt198/endrik35/10082009493.jpg)
3k sir parts and labor na.
sirs,
were the stock small front-tubes (i think 6dj8/6922 equivalent) changed?
care to share the capacitor and resistor brands? boutique ba?
how about the stock caps and resistors?
any change in values from the original?
thanks.
Post by: anchit on Oct 10, 2009 at 09:42 AM
3k sir parts and labor na.
pagawa . hahahaha
kitakits bukas pre.
Post by: markcrenz on Oct 10, 2009 at 09:46 AM
3k sir parts and labor na.planning to sell modded sakura sir? ;)
Post by: endrik35 on Oct 10, 2009 at 09:48 AM
Post by: oweidah on Oct 10, 2009 at 09:52 AM
eto nakita ko
apat na tubes ang gamit. dalawa sa harap parang 6922/6dj8, yung 2 sa likod na mas malaki. 4pins lang 5z4p at 787j ang marka.
full wave rectifier
http://us.100y.com.tw/PNoInfo/43283.htm
(http://us.100y.com.tw/product_jpg_big/A016214.jpg)
http://cgi.ebay.com.my/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260438836678
http://www.tubeampdoctor.com/english-store/5Z4P-Tube-Full-Wave-Rectifier-pid-1320.htm
its chinese tube and one net info sez can be substituted w/5z4g
Post by: oweidah on Oct 10, 2009 at 09:55 AM
Sir Rene, I don't think he changed the tubes, stock pa rin. When it comes to caps and resistors, medyo bopol tayo diyan pero the pics he posted were the only things he replaced in the amp. For the price of 3k for parts and labor, and less than 4k for the amp, this is surely a steal! Thanks and Godbless! :)
thanks sir funk firm. pareho tayo bopols sa electronics. ;D
Post by: oweidah on Oct 10, 2009 at 10:18 AM
ahh, marami siguro silang stock nyan tubes na yan, kaya kailangan madispose..... ...supply ng 6922 preamp malamang.....
so dapat me higher voltage cap dyan, at least 160volts, o baka naman palamuti na naman yan, parang yung rectifer dun sa kabilang thread.... ;D
me nakasubok na bang magtanggal nang rectifier tube para malaman kung gagana pa rin yung amp?
pwede kasi sa 35volts plate ang 6922, gagana pa rin yon.. ;D
ganda naman ng dating nung 5z4p, aesthetically ;D pero kung wala, baka menos 1k?
Post by: t68kv on Oct 14, 2009 at 01:32 AM
Dami sa shenzhen nyan. BTW, boss anthony mas ok ba sya compare sa mga lm chips? since class ab sya?
Eto oh mas makatotohanan sa itsura pero mas nakakaaning yung presyo kung hindi iisipin ang mga kurakot sa tax :)
http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db2-37792f881ef1f37ec3087eaad68087a1.htm
http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db2-dd2fed1310cd69c6e7d736f232c8199f.htm
http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db2-faacb0b4c161415118639e6712c530f5.htm
Magsawa ka :)
Post by: John E. on Oct 14, 2009 at 01:56 AM
Was able to audition this amp last thursday at diy_master's house. He tweaked it, added alps potentiometer and substituted the capacitor and resistors and voila! the sound blew me away! This sub 4k amp tweaked by Anthony would put to shame far more expensive tube amps like the Dared's and the Cayins for just a little piece of your hard earned money! You have to hear it to believe it! here are pics I tooked of his tweaked Sakura amp! :)
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt198/endrik35/10082009492.jpg)
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt198/endrik35/10082009493.jpg)
ang cute! ;D
so a good sounding one will cost 3.5k + 3k = 6.5k not bad na rin, naka integrated tubo ka na under 7k.
ilang wpc ba talaga sya?
Post by: oweidah on Oct 14, 2009 at 07:51 AM
rebranded ng sakura yan, halata naman dun sa sakua dba :)
Dami sa shenzhen nyan. BTW, boss anthony mas ok ba sya compare sa mga lm chips? since class ab sya?
Eto oh mas makatotohanan sa itsura pero mas nakakaaning yung presyo kung hindi iisipin ang mga kurakot sa tax :)
http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db2-37792f881ef1f37ec3087eaad68087a1.htm
http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db2-dd2fed1310cd69c6e7d736f232c8199f.htm
http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db2-faacb0b4c161415118639e6712c530f5.htm
Magsawa ka :)
ayos ang mga intsik na tubero ah!!! ;D ;D ;D
meron din naman tayo ibubuga sa china. maraming magaling mag-diy dito sa atin pero, maliban sa amx, hindi ganun ka-commercialized.
Post by: praktikal on Oct 14, 2009 at 11:31 AM
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 14, 2009 at 11:44 AM
sana nga maglabasan na din dito ng Pinoy "budget meals" o "tipid meals" tube amps. sa ginawa ni Anthony imagine nasa 7k lang... kaso lang wala na akong makitang Pinoy creations na ganun kababa. kaya tuloy sa Dared MP5 ang bagsak. wish ko la-a-ang...
punta lang kay Anthony wish come true na yan sir...
Was able to audition this amp last thursday at diy_master's house. He tweaked it, added alps potentiometer and substituted the capacitor and resistors and voila! the sound blew me away! This sub 4k amp tweaked by Anthony would put to shame far more expensive tube amps like the Dared's and the Cayins for just a little piece of your hard earned money! You have to hear it to believe it! here are pics I tooked of his tweaked Sakura amp! :)
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt198/endrik35/10082009492.jpg)
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt198/endrik35/10082009493.jpg)
tagilid ang Dared at Cayin...
Post by: macdon on Oct 14, 2009 at 12:05 PM
punta lang kay Anthony wish come true na yan sir...
tagilid ang Dared at Cayin...
Brader Jo - for some reason, I was kinda expecting your post regarding this particular amp.......but then again, I think would rather call you instead ;D
Post by: anchit on Oct 14, 2009 at 12:20 PM
Brader Jo - for some reason, I was kinda expecting your post regarding this particular amp.......but then again, I think would rather call you instead ;D
mukhang may lulutuin na naman kayo sir ah! ;D
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 14, 2009 at 12:33 PM
Brader Jo - for some reason, I was kinda expecting your post regarding this particular amp.......but then again, I think would rather call you instead ;D
As always brader... ;D
mukhang may lulutuin na naman kayo sir ah! ;D
Meron brader anchit. Pork with tofu nga lang... ;D ;D ;D
Post by: t68kv on Oct 14, 2009 at 06:00 PM
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sana nga maglabasan na din dito ng Pinoy "budget meals" o "tipid meals" tube amps. sa ginawa ni Anthony imagine nasa 7k lang... kaso lang wala na akong makitang Pinoy creations na ganun kababa. kaya tuloy sa Dared MP5 ang bagsak. wish ko la-a-ang...
problema lang kasi wala sa atin yung mga materials :)
The rest nasa atin na.
Post by: macdon on Oct 14, 2009 at 07:29 PM
Post by: John E. on Oct 15, 2009 at 03:08 AM
i-shootout na eto - mp5 vs sakura av200 ;D
sasama ako ha ;D
Post by: textmailbox on Oct 15, 2009 at 11:23 AM
Post by: markcrenz on Oct 15, 2009 at 12:42 PM
Nice idea, shoot out nyo rin ang dalawa, MP5 vs Sakura AV200.mas maganda meron din stock vs modded sakura
Post by: anchit on Oct 15, 2009 at 06:15 PM
Post by: iiinas on Oct 15, 2009 at 08:03 PM
uy sama ako dito! natetempt na nga ako kunin yung mp5 sa FS thread eh. ;D
kunin na kasi at bagay din yan sa a audio bookshelves. ;D
Post by: t68kv on Oct 15, 2009 at 09:28 PM
Post by: John E. on Oct 16, 2009 at 01:06 AM
kunin na kasi at bagay din yan sa a audio bookshelves. ;D
+ 1million! in kulam mode :D
Post by: kulapong on Oct 18, 2009 at 03:11 PM
san location? kina anthony? baka me area pa na baha doon...
very interested sa dared, sakura stock and modded..
Sir Anthony,
facilitate mo na to, and if you can prove na mas ok talaga ung modded mo...
malamang busy ka hanggang december..... :D
Post by: oweidah on Oct 19, 2009 at 04:33 PM
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=103679.0
Post by: reynold on Oct 19, 2009 at 05:37 PM
meron na fs sa marketplace. can shootout be far behind?
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=103679.0
Magkano kaya kung Group Buy? ;) ;) ;)
Post by: cHiNo2728 on Oct 19, 2009 at 09:41 PM
Name the time and place naman po mga sirs.
Post by: John E. on Oct 20, 2009 at 02:58 AM
Post by: markcrenz on Oct 20, 2009 at 10:59 AM
pag nagkataon pila ang magpapa-mod kay sir anthony
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=103679.0
Post by: macdon on Oct 20, 2009 at 12:21 PM
You can also entice anthony to possibly supply the Sakura amps and do the modifications to ease the process in both the purchase and the handling.
I think a modified Sakura tube amp would still be cheaper and a bit stronger than a Dared MP5, but the only thing to consider in a MP5 is its USB Burr Brown DAC - that is if you really need it.
Anthony already has a demo/EB room which he is currently fixing up - last i heard he might hold his b-day EB at the end of the month ;)
Post by: John E. on Oct 20, 2009 at 01:33 PM
Post by: markcrenz on Oct 20, 2009 at 01:40 PM
You can also entice anthony to possibly supply the Sakura amps and do the modifications to ease the process in both the purchase and the handling.
pwede nga buy na lang si anthony in bulk (amp + mod parts) tapos offer nya group buy ng modded sakura. compute na ng pricing master!
Post by: macdon on Oct 20, 2009 at 01:47 PM
pwede nga buy na lang si anthony in bulk (amp + mod parts) tapos offer nya group buy ng modded sakura. compute na ng pricing master!
A modded Sakura tube amp would be in the vicinity of 6.5k-6.8k cguro......parang NMT ;D
Post by: anchit on Oct 20, 2009 at 02:00 PM
Post by: markcrenz on Oct 20, 2009 at 02:01 PM
A modded Sakura tube amp would be in the vicinity of 6.5k-6.8k cguro......parang NMT ;D
not bad considering the modded sakura sounded better than his fisher. an good entry-level price for those who want to venture into tubes.
modded sakura + proac clone... mmmm... (drooling a la Homer simpson)
Post by: macdon on Oct 20, 2009 at 02:32 PM
not bad considering the modded sakura sounded better than his fisher. an good entry-level price for those who want to venture into tubes.
modded sakura + proac clone... mmmm... (drooling a la Homer simpson)
Its still subjective - which is why we are hoping if it could be compared to a Dared MP5 or an AMX hybrid that would be close to its price.
Granted, a sub-10k price for a hybrid tube amp is hard to come by - which is why this possible shootout would be exciting ;)
What I would like to know is the definite parts that would be included in the 3k modification - which parts would affect the SQ & which parts are solely for aesthetics.
Lastly, if a customer can stretch maybe 1-3k more on the mods - what else could be modified?
Baka mmya kaha nalang ang matira :D ;D
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 20, 2009 at 02:48 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 20, 2009 at 03:03 PM
What I would like to know is the definite parts that would be included in the 3k modification - which parts would affect the SQ & which parts are solely for aesthetics.
Lastly, if a customer can stretch maybe 1-3k more on the mods - what else could be modified?
Baka mmya kaha nalang ang matira :D ;D
This will be working blind without a definitive circuit analysis or a schematic at least. Suntok sa buwan sa tagalog so better wise up and study it first to make a more meaningful modification strategy.
Post by: macdon on Oct 20, 2009 at 03:05 PM
this is going to be a great battle. don't forget to try the fisher which was the initial challenger.
......and I'm sure the attendees would be honored if you could be part of this shootout to share your knowledge & expertise. ;D
Post by: iiinas on Oct 20, 2009 at 03:10 PM
......and I'm sure the attendees would be honored if you could be part of this shootout to share your knowledge & expertise. ;D
+1 dito. iba pag nagsama si master at si diy_master. ;D
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 20, 2009 at 03:10 PM
......and I'm sure the attendees would be honored if you could be part of this shootout to share your knowledge & expertise. ;D
I would love to but this would make the budget conscious aficionados rather nervous especially with a lot of recommended changes in the amp.
On another note, it still bothers me if the stock Sakura beat the Fisher or was it the modded Sakura that did... ::)
Post by: anchit on Oct 20, 2009 at 03:10 PM
......and I'm sure the attendees would be honored if you could be part of this shootout to share your knowledge & expertise. ;D
i will be deeply honored. ( pressure) ;D
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 20, 2009 at 03:17 PM
+1 dito. iba pag nagsama si master at si diy_master. ;D
would love to be an audience sir...
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 20, 2009 at 03:17 PM
i will be deeply honored. ( pressure) ;D
;D ;D ;D
Post by: macdon on Oct 20, 2009 at 03:39 PM
I would love to but this would make the budget conscious aficionados rather nervous especially with a lot of recommended changes in the amp.
On another note, it still bothers me if the stock Sakura beat the Fisher or was it the modded Sakura that did... ::)
We are not worthy - hahahahaha. :D ;D
Bring your aikido para isama na sa shootout ;D
Not the stock Sakura but the modded one made him realize that it was better than his Fisher ;)
Post by: iiinas on Oct 20, 2009 at 03:41 PM
We are not worthy - hahahahaha. :D ;D
Bring your aikido para isama na sa shootout ;D
Not the stock Sakura but the modded one made him realize that it was better than his Fisher ;)
yung hybrid gainclone na rin. hehehe :)
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 20, 2009 at 03:45 PM
We are not worthy - hahahahaha. :D ;D
Bring your aikido para isama na sa shootout ;D
Not the stock Sakura but the modded one made him realize that it was better than his Fisher ;)
For the sake of science hahaha...
Can't do that, Aikido is a tube preamp, the shootout is about integrated hybrids... ;)
What if I modify his Fisher? I once inherited a Fisher that served me well through grade school and late high school. ;D ;D ;D
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 20, 2009 at 03:46 PM
yung hybrid gainclone na rin. hehehe :)
gusto ko yan... ;)
Post by: macdon on Oct 20, 2009 at 03:47 PM
Post by: macdon on Oct 20, 2009 at 03:48 PM
yung hybrid gainclone na rin. hehehe :)
Hahahaha - Teka, diba ginawan ka ni master jojod ng integrated hybrid - dalhin mo! ;D
Post by: kulapong on Oct 20, 2009 at 03:57 PM
basta dapat weekend ha...para masaya!..
saka baka meron dyan miniature t-amp...tutal nabubulsa naman....singit na natin yan...baka nga maganda...eh di mapag ipunan din....makapag sideline muna sa GH, bukas kotse
Sir Anthony.....where are you?
Post by: reynold on Oct 21, 2009 at 09:40 PM
care to share the exact model of the stock tubes of this amp, i'll ask my cousin ruel felix if he's familiar with the tubes and he might do some mods on this amp also when i get one ;)
...and if possible, can you list down also the stock components of this amp like caps, trany, etc para malaman nya kung anong tweaks ang gagawin nya sa sakua na 'to ;D
TIA Master :)
Post by: textmailbox on Oct 22, 2009 at 10:58 AM
Palagay ko kailangan talaga ng shoot-out, based on what i've read from Topic: Sakura Ampifiers For Sale
Marami talagang interesado dito.
Post by: Schrodinger's cat on Oct 22, 2009 at 02:14 PM
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg47/ubunterror/sakura.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg47/ubunterror/P8260007.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg47/ubunterror/P8260006.jpg)
Eto naman yung posted pics sa pdvd marketplace:
(http://i33.tinypic.com/2v2zko4.jpg)
(http://i36.tinypic.com/96gu2r.jpg)
(http://i34.tinypic.com/i1ct94.jpg)
Same make, different colors, and may tatak lang yung isa, probably isa lang siguro manufacturer nito. So meron din palang mga amps na katulad nung mga made-in-China products sa CDR King, generic yung pagkagawa tapos nilalagyan lang ng tatak ng iba't-ibang companies? In this case, tinatakan ng Sakura or Sakua.
Post by: reynold on Oct 22, 2009 at 02:47 PM
Post by: oweidah on Oct 22, 2009 at 02:54 PM
rebranded ng sakura yan, halata naman dun sa sakua dba :)
Dami sa shenzhen nyan. BTW, boss anthony mas ok ba sya compare sa mga lm chips? since class ab sya?
Eto oh mas makatotohanan sa itsura pero mas nakakaaning yung presyo kung hindi iisipin ang mga kurakot sa tax :)
http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db2-37792f881ef1f37ec3087eaad68087a1.htm
http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db2-dd2fed1310cd69c6e7d736f232c8199f.htm
http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db2-faacb0b4c161415118639e6712c530f5.htm
Magsawa ka :)
Post by: bulak_henyo on Oct 22, 2009 at 09:17 PM
Post by: leftover on Oct 23, 2009 at 10:08 AM
me nakasubok na bang paganahin yung amp ng hindi nakakabit yung 2 malaking tubes? curious lang... ;D
per diy-master, di raw gumagana, ano ibig sabihon nun?
Post by: oweidah on Oct 23, 2009 at 10:29 AM
per diy-master, di raw gumagana, ano ibig sabihon nun?
hindi gumagana yung amp pag hindi nakakabit yung 2 tubo
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hindi gumagana yung 2 tubo as in, walang silbi, palamuti lang?
Post by: kenchix1 on Oct 23, 2009 at 10:41 AM
Hahahaha - Teka, diba ginawan ka ni master jojod ng integrated hybrid - dalhin mo! ;D
That I would love to hear na shootout. The unmodified and modified Sakura and the hybrid from sir jojo. BTW, gumagana ba talaga apat na tubo ng sakura o preamp section lang ? o gumagana pa din kahit tanggalin mo lahat ng tubes ?
Post by: leftover on Oct 23, 2009 at 10:43 AM
me nakasubok na bang paganahin yung amp ng hindi nakakabit yung 2 malaking tubes? curious lang... ;D
I asked diy_master this qoute, and his answer is hindi gumagana amp pag hindi nakakabit ang ang 2 malaking tubo...
Post by: kulapong on Oct 23, 2009 at 10:47 AM
bibili na lang ako ng parol ...umiikot pa yung mga ilaw he he he
Post by: kenchix1 on Oct 23, 2009 at 10:54 AM
kung palamuti lang yung apat na tubo? uurong ako sa group buy...
bibili na lang ako ng parol ...umiikot pa yung mga ilaw he he he
haha !! ;D gumagana daw sir sabi sa ibang post. ;D
hindi kaya rebrand ito ng Menq at Yaqin...
Post by: dana on Oct 23, 2009 at 12:15 PM
i hope the maker/s won't resort to that thing.
im sure my ckt function ung tubes na tinutukoy nyo.
hindi naman cguro ganun ka ogags mga gumawa nyan at ganun kababa ang tingin sa consumers.
Post by: leftover on Oct 23, 2009 at 12:23 PM
i doubt kung palamuti lang yan.
i hope the maker/s won't resort to that thing.
im sure my ckt function ung tubes na tinutukoy nyo.
hindi naman cguro ganun ka ogags mga gumawa nyan at ganun kababa ang tingin sa consumers.
i second the motion ;)
Post by: qguy on Oct 23, 2009 at 12:54 PM
At para maganda itsura as if you use one tube, then mukhang konti lang ang tubes...
yung 6922 na tube kasi pwede sa mababang plate volts, so bakit kailangan yung 2 malalaking rectifier tubes? ;D
Post by: praktikal on Oct 23, 2009 at 01:38 PM
kahit tanggalin ang 2 malalaking tubo at gumagana pa rin, meaning useless?
magkaiba kaya ang sq ng meron at walang 2 tubes? kung same lang aba e bling-bling nga lang talaga yun noh?
Post by: praktikal on Oct 23, 2009 at 02:11 PM
di naman kaya habang nageenjoy ka ng music e bigla na lang mangamoy itong sakura?
Post by: anchit on Oct 23, 2009 at 02:39 PM
I asked diy_master this qoute, and his answer is hindi gumagana amp pag hindi nakakabit ang ang 2 malaking tubo...
Post by: juneaki on Oct 23, 2009 at 04:22 PM
Post by: juneaki on Oct 23, 2009 at 04:25 PM
Post by: anchit on Oct 23, 2009 at 04:36 PM
Post by: markcrenz on Oct 23, 2009 at 04:38 PM
At magkano kaya minimum na magagastos to make it sound better and improve the quality?
25w per channel lang and ang tube pre-amp section lang. Dami akong pinalitan mga 25-30 items.
magkano naman bro inabot yung pag modify mo? kung 3.5k ang base price ng unit ++++ ng modifications???
3k sir parts and labor na.
Post by: dnk on Oct 23, 2009 at 04:38 PM
http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db2-37792f881ef1f37ec3087eaad68087a1.htm
Post by: oweidah on Oct 23, 2009 at 04:41 PM
Kung sakaling di matuloy ang group buy, dito nalang kaya tayo mag group buy?
sino naman ang magpapasok dito? dadaan pa ng customs? magkano? ::)
Post by: dnk on Oct 23, 2009 at 04:49 PM
sino naman ang magpapasok dito? dadaan pa ng customs? magkano? ::)
Im sure may mga importer dyan na pwede magkainteres sa product na to kung may sufficient demand. Baka pag umabot ng 50 ang group buy, baka ganahan na sila. ;) baka lang ha....
Post by: anchit on Oct 23, 2009 at 04:49 PM
Post by: oweidah on Oct 23, 2009 at 04:56 PM
what i intend to do is get one sa quiapo, kung 3.8k pwede na yun, then pagsawaan ko muna yung stock na tunog kasi wala naman ako idea kung ano tunog ng tubo, then have it tweaked by anthony para maappreciate ko yung improvement.
sugod na! kasi pag napansin ng mga shops na marami ang nagkaka-interest at bumibili baka mas mahirap mag-haggle...
expect something like 3.9 to 4.1k ang high/starting price nung iba store.
Post by: anchit on Oct 23, 2009 at 05:04 PM
sugod na! kasi pag napansin ng mga shops na marami ang nagkaka-interest at bumibili baka mas mahirap mag-haggle...
expect something like 3.9 to 4.1k ang high/starting price nung iba store.
san kaya ito sir sa quiapo? malapit sa mga tindhan ng ehem?
Post by: oweidah on Oct 23, 2009 at 05:06 PM
san kaya ito sir sa quiapo? malapit sa mga tindhan ng ehem?
backread ka lang sa thread i posted exact shop. at sa hilera nun meron pa
Post by: dana on Oct 23, 2009 at 05:22 PM
yung 6922 na tube kasi pwede sa mababang plate volts, so bakit kailangan yung 2 malalaking rectifier tubes? ;D
sir tony, malamang wala cla nyan, especially the NOS ones. :D
most likely ,as a visual treat and marketing come on.
like occasional diyer, we always like to exagerrate use of materials:big caps, big knobs, big chassis,exotic/snake oil components/wires,nice finish, etc...
kakabilib price pt. based on material build and looks.
bili bili na...baka marami na kumukuha behind your backs, while all of you are still discussing...
tapos na boxing.baka while supply lasts lang mga yan ;D...
Post by: oweidah on Oct 23, 2009 at 06:23 PM
sa modification/ upgrade - nakita naman sa previous pages na maraming pinalitan si sir anthony (25 parts yata). ganun ba karami ang dapat palitan para tumunog ng mas maganda kesa fisher tube amp ang sakura?
premium/ boutique parts ba o raon parts din? kasi kung premium as in mundorf, auricap, nichicons rikken etc malaman, mas mahal pa sa stock amp ang gastos.
da best eh pakiusapan si sir anthony na ipost ang costing o maski essential parts na kailangan iupgrade. (sana di trade secret ;D ) peace p0 :)
bili-bili na! sige maunahan kayo ni sir kulapong! ;D
Post by: t68kv on Oct 23, 2009 at 08:43 PM
Post by: John E. on Oct 23, 2009 at 11:39 PM
what i intend to do is get one sa quiapo, kung 3.8k pwede na yun, then pagsawaan ko muna yung stock na tunog kasi wala naman ako idea kung ano tunog ng tubo, then have it tweaked by anthony para maappreciate ko yung improvement.
wag ng magpatumpik-tumpik pa pre! ;D pero tingin ko di to matutuloy eh hehe, feeling ko lang.
;D
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 24, 2009 at 09:36 AM
i doubt kung palamuti lang yan.
i hope the maker/s won't resort to that thing.
im sure my ckt function ung tubes na tinutukoy nyo.
sir dana with all due respect (share ko lang sir ha :)), meron po nangyayari na ganyan.
examples that i've seen so far, a tube buffer that only uses the tube's heater as a mosfet's current source (hence it should be called a mosfet buffer), a tube rectifier that doesn't even rectify but likewise glows. an avr with the center and rear channels at 1/5th the power of the fronts. a tube amp with ss tone controls that can't swing enough output voltage to drive the next tube stage. so for whatever reason, it happens.
as for the av200 and looking at the pics only, those two small signal tubes should be (at the very least) a cathode follower which would make it an input buffer. it could very well be a plate follower but with the cap values (from the posted pics) having 35V it's possible yes but foolish to operate a tube at that plate voltage at the very least.
kaya nga ganyan ka-skeptical si Tony. ;D
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hindi naman cguro ganun ka ogags mga gumawa nyan at ganun kababa ang tingin sa consumers.
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg47/ubunterror/P8260003.jpg)
PMPO daw po yun 200W+200W pero look at the THD, at less than 0.5% pa yun ha. PMPO at less than 10% total harmonic distortion would be a milestone in modern day electronics.
saludo ako sa nag test niyan.
kung me schematics man lang sana, madali yan madetermina...pero talagang mura sya in fairness.... ;D
malabo daw yun schematics na ilabas sir. live subject and old school reverse eng'g na lang.
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hindi ko kayang gawin yan with that looks at that price..... ;)
hard to beat talaga, even the pure ss amps nila gaganda pa ng case, heatsink. naka toroid pa yun. ;D
Post by: JoeyGS on Oct 24, 2009 at 09:46 AM
Post by: oweidah on Oct 24, 2009 at 10:15 AM
me magandang chassis pa ako.... ;D
nadale mo sir tonyT! chassis nga ang balak ko kunin dito kung sakaling di maganda o mas mahal pa ipa-upgrade. parang gusto ko tuloy kumain ng relyenong bangus. ;D ;D ;D
Post by: cHiNo2728 on Oct 24, 2009 at 04:39 PM
35W per channel x 2
Frequency response: 20Hz-20KHz plus or minus 2db
Consumes 120w
Approximately 35cm long, by 25 cm width, and height of 19cm.
Weighs approximately 7 kilos daw.
Please note that these specs are unofficial.
Thanks. I'll post additional pics later.
Post by: cHiNo2728 on Oct 24, 2009 at 05:43 PM
AV 200t with Focal Speakers
(http://i34.tinypic.com/3h1xv.jpg)
AV200t with Bose 301
(http://i33.tinypic.com/mh60bd.jpg)
AV200t with Sansui
(http://i36.tinypic.com/4q1n4o.jpg)
AV200t with Avance
(http://i34.tinypic.com/jza0ls.jpg)
I also saw some pics of some of the future models like this one:
(http://i35.tinypic.com/2ldk1ts.jpg)
(http://i34.tinypic.com/aaub5u.jpg)
(http://i38.tinypic.com/5wk19l.jpg)
AV-300T? Let's wait and see.
Post by: t68kv on Oct 24, 2009 at 06:30 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 24, 2009 at 06:33 PM
@jojo,
hindi lang tayo kasi sanay makakita ng ampli na may dalawang rectifiers na tulad nito, but then as i have said, the price of this amp is really hard to beat. ;D
i might buy one myself if only to satisfy my curiosity....pwede naman kasing i convert ito sa pure tube amp....me magandang chassis pa ako.... ;D
totoo yan Tony, yun mga na repair ko na mono tube amp na pang combo may dalawang tube rectifier kasi apat na 6l6 yun output tube. for a hybrid amp di lang talaga tayo sanay. ;D
the one sold by chino is the black one yata? and for me mas elegant yun black kaysa yun parang kahoy but it's aesthetics, hence, subjective matter. wag mo na gawing all tube ;D, taasan mo na lang yun biasing nun opt device para bumaba naman yun crossover distortion at low volumes and change the heatsink with a bigger one ok na.
I have seen this amp in an electronics shop somewhere in Binan and was selling for 5k
chino here is selling it way way cheaper than that... ;)
Post by: dana on Oct 24, 2009 at 08:24 PM
I still believe in the goodness of man :D, not to resort to this kind of trickery. Sakura, already an established brand locally competing with Konzert amps would do better in performing an IQC before accepting this as a possible OEM product, I believe. The specs provided with these have always been inaccurate, im sure ,if you would perform a comprehensive laboratory measurements based on known Audio test standards.
How about the two big tubes behind acting as single diode (?), 2 can make you a full wave ckt.
Anyways, tubes connected with heaters only is a visual delight this Yuletide Season ;D. ;D ;D
As for the PMPO thing, this is a usual marketing gimmick then, especially employed during the peak of the Karaoke days (and until now).For all we know, dibay dibay lang ng certain factor, as per manufacturer's wishes. Could be dibay dibay by a factor of 20, 10 (?),usually, and also in this case.Thus 200WPMP0/ch as claimed, could just be 10W or 20W at 10% THD, in this particular case.
As for the tube replacements, pray ;D. Likewise, tube longevity is never a question, unless operated outside of its known parameters.I get old console tube amps (60"s), still with their original tubes and still working fine and yet to be replaced.
Para matapos na ang mga katanungan, sa mga nakabili na , baka gusto nyo buksan & take pictures so everybody here can do post mortem analysis and have idea ...kung mumurahin or pupurihin ;D ;D ;D
Post by: oweidah on Oct 24, 2009 at 09:05 PM
I also saw some pics of some of the future models like this one:
(http://i35.tinypic.com/2ldk1ts.jpg)
(http://i34.tinypic.com/aaub5u.jpg)
(http://i38.tinypic.com/5wk19l.jpg)
AV-300T? Let's wait and see.
the sleeping giant is wide awake and the dragon's glowing tubes ;D
Post by: John E. on Oct 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM
(http://i35.tinypic.com/2ldk1ts.jpg)
AV-300T? Let's wait and see.
parang logo ng bada yun ah ;D
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 25, 2009 at 01:03 AM
JojoD, thanks for sharing that info, firsthand info based on your tinkerings with these kind of toys.
I still believe in the goodness of man :D, not to resort to this kind of trickery. Sakura, already an established brand locally competing with Konzert amps would do better in performing an IQC before accepting this as a possible OEM product, I believe. The specs provided with these have always been inaccurate, im sure ,if you would perform a comprehensive laboratory measurements based on known Audio test standards.
How about the two big tubes behind acting as single diode (?), 2 can make you a full wave ckt.
Anyways, tubes connected with heaters only is a visual delight this Yuletide Season ;D. ;D ;D
As for the PMPO thing, this is a usual marketing gimmick then, especially employed during the peak of the Karaoke days (and until now).For all we know, dibay dibay lang ng certain factor, as per manufacturer's wishes. Could be dibay dibay by a factor of 20, 10 (?),usually, and also in this case.Thus 200WPMP0/ch as claimed, could just be 10W or 20W at 10% THD, in this particular case.
As for the tube replacements, pray ;D. Likewise, tube longevity is never a question, unless operated outside of its known parameters.I get old console tube amps (60"s), still with their original tubes and still working fine and yet to be replaced.
Para matapos na ang mga katanungan, sa mga nakabili na , baka gusto nyo buksan & take pictures so everybody here can do post mortem analysis and have idea ...kung mumurahin or pupurihin ;D ;D ;D
I agree, I've also got the chance to do work on several Eico relics with their original tubes labeled "Mullard for Eico" still working and tested good.
Di naman po mumurahin (bad yun sir ;D), maayos naman po yan, but let's just all be realistic lang. :)
Post by: kulapong on Oct 25, 2009 at 08:33 AM
Post by: kulapong on Oct 25, 2009 at 08:37 AM
san kaya ito sir sa quiapo? malapit sa mga tindhan ng ehem?
Sir Anchit,
dun sa tulay...isa lang naman yata yun..pagtawid mo..raon na yun di ba....lakad ka lang ng konti...sa right side..Rald Allied...naka display naman sa labas..medyo sisipatin mo nga lang..nasa itaas yung karton....then pagpasok mo sa loob..meron demo unit....nasa istante..
u can get it at 3.8k....pero baka kung medyo maboka ka..baka makuha mo pa ng lesser...
Post by: oweidah on Oct 25, 2009 at 08:44 AM
Sir Anchit,
dun sa tulay...isa lang naman yata yun..pagtawid mo..raon na yun di ba....lakad ka lang ng konti...sa right side..Rald Allied...naka display naman sa labas..medyo sisipatin mo nga lang..nasa itaas yung karton....then pagpasok mo sa loob..meron demo unit....nasa istante..
u can get it at 3.8k....pero baka kung medyo maboka ka..baka makuha mo pa ng lesser...
sirs,
i posted the details a few pages back. dun ka pala nakabili 3.5k tawad ko hehehe ! ;D
nasaan na pic nung loob kahon sa likod ng malaking tubes?
shootout...shootout...sagot ko na yung unmodified!!
mukang wala gusto tumapat sa stock sakura mo ah! sa hifi show kabila dalhin! ;D
Post by: kulapong on Oct 25, 2009 at 05:52 PM
sirs,
i posted the details a few pages back. dun ka pala nakabili 3.5k tawad ko hehehe ! ;D
nasaan na pic nung loob kahon sa likod ng malaking tubes?
mukang wala gusto tumapat sa stock sakura mo ah! sa hifi show kabila dalhin! ;D
dapat pala Sir...sumabay na ko sau nung nakatawad ka ng 3.5k,...nung pumunta nga ko...naka short at tsinelas na lang nga ako eh....paawa effect..kaso sabi sa akin..baka daw tumaas pa..baka maging 4.1k....he he
bakit kaya walang gustong lumaban sa 3.8k na sakura.....hmmm..kinakabahan yata cla he he...
btw, sa totoo lang...hindi ko masabi kung maganda nga talaga..dahil first timer lang nga ako sa tube...
pero when i compare it to my Denon 1907 na SS na worth 28k..... lumalaban sa ganda ng tunog...
pinakanta nya ang 602 s3 ko....
Post by: oweidah on Oct 25, 2009 at 06:17 PM
dapat pala Sir...sumabay na ko sau nung nakatawad ka ng 3.5k,...nung pumunta nga ko...naka short at tsinelas na lang nga ako eh....paawa effect..kaso sabi sa akin..baka daw tumaas pa..baka maging 4.1k....he he
bakit kaya walang gustong lumaban sa 3.8k na sakura.....hmmm..kinakabahan yata cla he he...
btw, sa totoo lang...hindi ko masabi kung maganda nga talaga..dahil first timer lang nga ako sa tube...
pero when i compare it to my Denon 1907 na SS na worth 28k..... lumalaban sa ganda ng tunog...
pinakanta nya ang 602 s3 ko....
tawad lang naman yung 3.5k hehehe
sa pagkakaalam ko tube rectified hybrid ang sakura. preamp tube/power SS. basta maganda tunog ayos!
mas gaganda pa yan pag mag-tube rolling ka ng preamp tubes. at ipamodify mo kay sir anthony. palagyan mo ng mundorf cap sa signal path.
Post by: dana on Oct 26, 2009 at 08:16 AM
cno sa inyo ang nakakuha na at medyo malapit lan sa QC?
bka pede marinig at ma QC na rin :D
tamang tama, mukhang long weekends ahead.
Post by: tarsi on Oct 26, 2009 at 09:45 AM
Post by: reynold on Oct 26, 2009 at 11:27 AM
sa mga nakabile na at hindi nagustuhan ang sounds, willing akong kuhanin at cost, just pm me..... ;D
Same here ;D
Post by: ledrahc on Oct 26, 2009 at 01:45 PM
Post by: reynold on Oct 26, 2009 at 02:10 PM
since naunahan ako ni brother Anchit, at malabong pakakawalan pa nya yung offer ni Anthony, i have decided na bumili na lang yesterday. Natawaran ko ng 3.6k. i'll check the receipt later para sa name nung store, para don sa mga interested pang bumili. Aside from the fact na pogi talaga yung unit, mukhang decent naman yung quality. Though yung point of comparison ko lang e yung current setup ko na AMX tube preamp and bada poweramp. Pagsawaan ko muna, later ko na ipa-mod kay Anthony.
Congrats pre, ako nagda-dalawang isip pa rin hanggang ngayon, pero pa-pm na lang din sa akin nung pangalan ng store at exact place ha. Thanks :)
Post by: anchit on Oct 26, 2009 at 02:49 PM
since naunahan ako ni brother Anchit, at malabong pakakawalan pa nya yung offer ni Anthony, i have decided na bumili na lang yesterday. Natawaran ko ng 3.6k. i'll check the receipt later para sa name nung store, para don sa mga interested pang bumili. Aside from the fact na pogi talaga yung unit, mukhang decent naman yung quality. Though yung point of comparison ko lang e yung current setup ko na AMX tube preamp and bada poweramp. Pagsawaan ko muna, later ko na ipa-mod kay Anthony.
pre madami yun nakay anthony. ;D
Post by: ledrahc on Oct 26, 2009 at 03:33 PM
Congrats pre, ako nagda-dalawang isip pa rin hanggang ngayon, pero pa-pm na lang din sa akin nung pangalan ng store at exact place ha. Thanks :)
sure!! ikaw pa, malakas ka sakin e.. ;D
Post by: markcrenz on Oct 26, 2009 at 03:35 PM
Post by: ledrahc on Oct 26, 2009 at 03:36 PM
pre madami yun nakay anthony. ;Dwaaaa seyeng nemen!!! ;D
Post by: Brian_mico on Oct 26, 2009 at 11:55 PM
Congrats pre, ako nagda-dalawang isip pa rin hanggang ngayon, pero pa-pm na lang din sa akin nung pangalan ng store at exact place ha. Thanks :)
Bro,
Huwag ka ng mag dalawang isip... kumuha ka na rin.. ;D
ako nga rin eh... na te-tempt na kumuha din ;)
Post by: anchit on Oct 27, 2009 at 12:05 AM
waaaa seyeng nemen!!! ;D
friday deliery ng sakin. ;D kaso wala pa ako CDP, dvdp muna gagamitin ko. :( langya, psp dapat bibilin ko eh.
Post by: kulapong on Oct 27, 2009 at 12:33 AM
way to go brod arnel.... parinig naman nyan ;D ;D ;D
He he he...pwede Sir Tarsi..
or pwede rin sa shootout....sana marami magdala para beng bengan talaga...
Post by: Brian_mico on Oct 27, 2009 at 12:54 AM
Dami na talaga nag kaka-interes ah..... pag nalaman 'to ng mga taga Raon.. malamang tataas ang SRP nito...
By the way don't know kung nasagot na 'to.... are the stock tubes replaceable ?
Post by: kenchix1 on Oct 27, 2009 at 11:21 AM
(http://i35.tinypic.com/2ldk1ts.jpg)
Ganda nito ah. Ano kaya yung nasa likod nung 6922, apat na EL34 ?
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 27, 2009 at 12:27 PM
Ganda nito ah. Ano kaya yung nasa likod nung 6922, apat na EL34 ?
small signal tubes must be in a concertina fashion but 6922 too low to drive pp opt, I bet those are 12ax7 variants... ;)
6BQ5/EL84.... ;D
x2, too slim for EL34 sir. ;D
Post by: anchit on Oct 27, 2009 at 03:09 PM
naka impluwnesya na naman ako dito sa office na 2 officemates, will drive a 92 and 90db b&w, so should be easy for sakura no? thanks!
Post by: markcrenz on Oct 27, 2009 at 03:38 PM
25watts si sakura right? gano kalakas ang 25w? ;D
naka impluwnesya na naman ako dito sa office na 2 officemates, will drive a 92 and 90db b&w, so should be easy for sakura no? thanks!
for the 90 dB/w-m speaker for the 92 dB/w-m speaker
watts dB @ 1 meter dB @ 1 meter
0.25 84 86
0.5 87 89
1 90 92
2 93 95
20 103 105
25 104 106
OSHA’s Permissible Noise Exposure
90 dB 8.0 hours
92 dB 6.0 hours
95 dB 4.0 hours
97 dB 3.0 hours
100 dB 2.0 hours
102 dB 1.5 hours
105 dB 1.0 hour
110 dB 30 minutes
115 dB 15 minutes
Post by: networkingguy on Oct 27, 2009 at 03:45 PM
iba talaga kapag mass production. kung meron din sanang pinoy DIY na ganitong price kahit ako na lang ang magbibihis as long as materiales fuertes, ayos!
di naman kaya habang nageenjoy ka ng music e bigla na lang mangamoy itong sakura?
So far soo good, been using for almost 2 months now.
Post by: anchit on Oct 27, 2009 at 03:47 PM
for the 90 dB/w-m speaker for the 92 dB/w-m speaker
watts dB @ 1 meter dB @ 1 meter
0.25 84 86
0.5 87 89
1 90 92
2 93 95
20 103 105
25 104 106
OSHA’s Permissible Noise Exposure
90 dB 8.0 hours
92 dB 6.0 hours
95 dB 4.0 hours
97 dB 3.0 hours
100 dB 2.0 hours
102 dB 1.5 hours
105 dB 1.0 hour
110 dB 30 minutes
115 dB 15 minutes
hehe so is it a Yes? ;D sorry wala pa gano alam. :-[
Post by: reynold on Oct 27, 2009 at 03:56 PM
hehe so is it a Yes? ;D sorry wala pa gano alam. :-[
Kayang-kaya yun pre, imo :)
imagine a dared mp5 na 13 watter per channel can drive a wharf 9.1 with only 86db sensitivity, yan pa kaya na 90db and above using a 25 watts per channel na amp? ;)
nagbebenta na naman ako ng gamit para may pondo, hahaha bawas gear, speaker and nmt :P
Post by: ledrahc on Oct 27, 2009 at 03:58 PM
pakipost na lang name ng store :)as promised, eto yung name nung store:
Summitron Lights & Sounds Inc
Along Raon main road lang. Mas malapit sya sa side nung LRT. If coming from that side, nasa KANAN yung store..
Post by: reynold on Oct 27, 2009 at 04:01 PM
as promised, eto yung name nung store:
Summitron Lights & Sounds Inc
Along Raon main road lang. Mas malapit sya sa side nung LRT. If coming from that side, nasa KANAN yung store..
Uy alam ko yan, may nabili na ako dati sa kanila, di ko lang matandaan kung dvd player o amp din, hehehe ;D
thanks pre ;)
Post by: anchit on Oct 27, 2009 at 04:24 PM
Kayang-kaya yun pre, imo :)
imagine a dared mp5 na 13 watter per channel can drive a wharf 9.1 with only 86db sensitivity, yan pa kaya na 90db and above using a 25 watts per channel na amp? ;)
nagbebenta na naman ako ng gamit para may pondo, hahaha bawas gear, speaker and nmt :P
haha salamat! CD player na lang tatakbo na! ;)
Post by: t68kv on Oct 28, 2009 at 02:18 AM
papuntang raon malamang..
Post by: John E. on Oct 28, 2009 at 02:29 AM
haha salamat! CD player na lang tatakbo na! ;)
congrats bro! ;D may dedicated audio set-up ka na!
Post by: anchit on Oct 28, 2009 at 11:24 AM
congrats bro! ;D may dedicated audio set-up ka na!
hehe excited na nga ako eh, dvdp muna gagamitin ko pansamantagal. ;D
i have an extra sub, and intend to use it for audio. hindi mahirap magtimpla? or better pa din 2.0 instead na 2.1?
Post by: sjss on Oct 28, 2009 at 11:48 AM
Post by: -sniper- on Oct 28, 2009 at 12:05 PM
or better pa din 2.0 instead na 2.1?
mag 2.1 ka na bro. may sub-out naman ung amp. :D
Post by: xdaatom206 on Oct 28, 2009 at 01:38 PM
Naisip ko tuloy ibenta ang AMX EL84 ko
sa mga interesado PM me
Post by: reynold on Oct 28, 2009 at 02:21 PM
hehe excited na nga ako eh, dvdp muna gagamitin ko pansamantagal. ;D
i have an extra sub, and intend to use it for audio. hindi mahirap magtimpla? or better pa din 2.0 instead na 2.1?
Ako pareho din ni t68kv, pera na lang tatakbo na, hahaha ;D
use of subwoofer will depend on the songs you preferred... if its rock/alternative, i think you'll going to need that pre, but for easy listening, i prefer 2.0 stereo... well, that's my opinion, ikaw pa rin ang masusunod in the end ;)
cheers,
reynold
Post by: textmailbox on Oct 28, 2009 at 04:26 PM
12AT7 fits nicely don't you think? ;D
(http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/thetubestore_2075_73776474)
12AT7
Nung araw, naalala ko pag nasira ang tube amp ko ang mahal ng piyesa.
Ngayon, mura na daw ang tube at mas matibay pa.
Post by: ledrahc on Oct 28, 2009 at 04:29 PM
Ako pareho din ni t68kv, pera na lang tatakbo na, hahaha ;D
use of subwoofer will depend on the songs you preferred... if its rock/alternative, i think you'll going to need that pre, but for easy listening, i prefer 2.0 stereo... well, that's my opinion, ikaw pa rin ang masusunod in the end ;)
cheers,
reynold
bumili ka na kasi!!! hahaha ;D
Post by: reynold on Oct 28, 2009 at 04:48 PM
bumili ka na kasi!!! hahaha ;D
PAUTANG!!! hahahaha ;D
...sana may mag-regalo sa akin nito sa pasko, sana... :)
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 28, 2009 at 08:13 PM
12AT7 fits nicely don't you think? ;D
That would do nicely. 8)
Post by: jetro on Oct 29, 2009 at 06:53 PM
OT: until what time ba open stores sa raon? sorry di ako familiar dun e, havent been there in years. safe pa ba mag shop dun say, 7pm?
gusto ko sana patulan yung offer ni sir anthony for the upgraded sakura. but i thought i should hear the stock first and be familiar with it so i'll know to what extent it has improved.. pag bitin, buy a better tube amp :)
Post by: anchit on Oct 30, 2009 at 01:18 AM
Post by: John E. on Oct 30, 2009 at 01:33 AM
ehem... Hehe 1:30am na, di pa din ako makatulog.ü
parang ganyan ka rin nung nakuha mo yung clones ;D
Post by: markcrenz on Oct 30, 2009 at 10:10 AM
OT: until what time ba open stores sa raon? sorry di ako familiar dun e, havent been there in years. safe pa ba mag shop dun say, 7pm?
nakow wala na halos open pag 7pm.
Post by: praktikal on Oct 30, 2009 at 10:35 AM
Post by: ledrahc on Oct 30, 2009 at 12:16 PM
nakow wala na halos open pag 7pm.i got mine last sunday at around 7pm. But, most of the shops sarado na by that time. dapat before 6 andon ka na para sure
Post by: jetro on Oct 30, 2009 at 02:53 PM
also, to avoid going around in circles. i plan to go straight to a single store since i dont think price will vary greatly. 3800 Php is the going rate, right? which store would you recommend as the most reliable?
Post by: praktikal on Oct 30, 2009 at 03:03 PM
@markcrenz, praktikal, ledrahc thanks for the tip in going to raon. sayang, bibili sana ko mamaya pero baka late na ko makadating don. next time na lang siguro... oh well, antayin ko na lang muna result ng tube shootout kila sir Anthony baka may useful information na makuha dun.
also, to avoid going around in circles. i plan to go straight to a single store since i dont think price will vary greatly. 3800 Php is the going rate, right? which store would you recommend as the most reliable?
you're welcome. tama ang desisyon mo, intay ka nalang muna. or kung pupunta ka kina anthony e magdala ka na ng pera at baka may bitbit ka na pauwi hehe, sayang ang long weekend.
Post by: oweidah on Oct 30, 2009 at 04:14 PM
SAKUA pa rin ang print sa likod
mukang mas mabigat kesa sa dati ko nakita. at kita sa likod ang torroidal traffo ;D
yung rectifier tubes baka meron daw si mang gerry RCA. yung signal at filter/coupling caps, baka meron din sabihin nyo lang ang values. post ko pag confirmed na.
Post by: oweidah on Oct 31, 2009 at 08:17 AM
Post by: oweidah on Nov 02, 2009 at 09:12 AM
3.5k sa JEMS kanto ng raon at evangelista
SAKUA pa rin ang print sa likod
mukang mas mabigat kesa sa dati ko nakita. at kita sa likod ang torroidal traffo ;D
Post by: almirage on Nov 02, 2009 at 08:01 PM
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z103/diy_master/DSC00448.jpg)
pic borrowed from sir diymaster ;)
Post by: reynold on Nov 09, 2009 at 12:57 AM
Gwapong-gwapo pa lalo na kapag patay ang ilaw at nakabukas ang amp ;)
(http://www.sakura.com.ph/images/products/orig/av200t_copy.jpg)
Post by: reynold on Nov 09, 2009 at 03:34 PM
congrats reynold, me abutan pa kaya ako na ganyan by end novbember? ;D
Thanks Sir Tony, malamang meron pa nun, dumadami na daw ang nagtatanong sa kanila about this amp ;)
...yun lang, baka dahil sa pagtaas ng demand, magtaas din sila ng presyo... wag naman sana...
Post by: dana on Nov 10, 2009 at 04:59 PM
....dumadami na daw ang nagtatanong sa kanila about this amp ;)
malamang, mga kampon ng pdvd yun!
nakikiramdam lang ang iba or yung iba naman, sumugod at bili agad. ;D
Post by: reynold on Nov 10, 2009 at 05:02 PM
malamang, mga kampon ng pdvd yun!
nakikiramdam lang ang iba or yung iba naman, sumugod at bili agad. ;D
Mismo ;D
Post by: reynold on Nov 10, 2009 at 08:03 PM
celphone cam shots in a semi-dark and totally dark room...
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x120/reynoldlazaro/DSC00747.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x120/reynoldlazaro/DSC00761.jpg)
Gwapo!!! ;)
Post by: Tube Pro on Nov 10, 2009 at 10:36 PM
Just want to share some pics of my Sakura AV-200T in action ;)
celphone cam shots in a semi-dark and totally dark room...
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x120/reynoldlazaro/DSC00747.jpg)
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x120/reynoldlazaro/DSC00761.jpg)
Gwapo!!! ;)
Mismo sir. gwapo nga lalo sa dilim.
Kamusta naman tunog ng stock Sakua components?
;)
Post by: dana on Nov 11, 2009 at 07:39 AM
just want to share his views about this amp, ganda nga daw ang looks and sound.
invited me over to have a listen.
for the price of P3.5~4k,depending on how good you haggle, san ka pa ;D ;D ;D...
another friend just received some moolah and also contemplating to buy himself an audio toy :D
unahan na lan, sana may matira pa para sa iba jan :D
Post by: -sniper- on Nov 11, 2009 at 08:59 AM
(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x120/reynoldlazaro/DSC00761.jpg)
pwede rin pala syang mood light. :D
Post by: dana on Nov 11, 2009 at 09:20 AM
i saw na meron syang fan sa likod, does it work continuously or intermittently?
intermittently : meaning, volume dependent ba sya, umaandar pag nilakasan?
also, gagana ba sya kung mainit na ang amp or what?
also, hi rpm ba ung fan at maingay?
thanks sa mag rereply :)
Post by: oweidah on Nov 11, 2009 at 09:34 AM
sa mga nakabili na, ask ko lang....
i saw na meron syang fan sa likod, does it work continuously or intermittently?
intermittently : meaning, volume dependent ba sya, umaandar pag nilakasan?
also, gagana ba sya kung mainit na ang amp or what?
also, hi rpm ba ung fan at maingay?
thanks sa mag rereply :)
+1
yan lang fan ang medyo nagpa-hesitate sakin kumuha agad. parang intel/amd kaya mag-init? at napansin ko ang liyab ng tubo, eh hindi naman power tubes. karaniwan, power tubes maliyab at di gaano ang rectifier driver,preamp tubes. siguro turbocharged, sinagad? ;D
Post by: dana on Nov 11, 2009 at 09:45 AM
+1
yan lang fan ang medyo nagpa-hesitate sakin kumuha agad. parang intel/amd kaya mag-init? at napansin ko ang liyab ng tubo, eh hindi naman power tubes. karaniwan, power tubes maliyab at di gaano ang rectifier driver,preamp tubes. siguro turbocharged, sinagad? ;D
im expecting na sensing type lan ang fan operation, meaning at certain volume level lan or heat sensing naman.
pede rin,nanigurado lang sa design.otherwise, i believe pedeng deactivate kung high rpm at maingay. again, i believe low rpm rin lan sya...
hmmm, makakuha rin nga kaya at i match ko sa killer harana speakers ;D...sarap paglaruan / tweak nito.
:)
Post by: oweidah on Nov 11, 2009 at 09:52 AM
im expecting na sensing type lan ang fan operation, meaning at certain volume level lan or heat sensing naman.
pede rin,nanigurado lang sa design.otherwise, i believe pedeng deactivate kung high rpm at maingay. again, i believe low rpm rin lan sya...
:)
hmmmmm naalala ko tuloy yung adcom gfa1a 200wpc cube power amp ko noon, may fan din
so, ok talaga *intsik gumawa kung heat-sensing fan, tas torroidal tranny pa. bili ka na para magkaalaman na! ;D
*nakakabilib na @3.5kphp, nilagyan pa ng fan. (sigurado mura lang sa tsina yan)
kung sa pinoy - o eto tapwe, bili ka na lang ng pamaypay pag nag-init ;D
Post by: macdon on Nov 11, 2009 at 03:55 PM
hmmm, makakuha rin nga kaya at i match ko sa killer harana speakers ;D...sarap paglaruan / tweak nito.
:)
Same thoughts Dana ;D
After enjoying last weekend's HiFi show in which a Dared MP5 playing in the Harana room made me think that this Sakura could possibly do the same job at less money ;)
Post by: anchit on Nov 11, 2009 at 04:02 PM
sa mga nakabili na, ask ko lang....
i saw na meron syang fan sa likod, does it work continuously or intermittently?
intermittently : meaning, volume dependent ba sya, umaandar pag nilakasan?
also, gagana ba sya kung mainit na ang amp or what?
also, hi rpm ba ung fan at maingay?
thanks sa mag rereply :)
i think continuos sya. pero super quiet naman nya eh.
Post by: wengkapre on Nov 11, 2009 at 04:28 PM
tia po
Post by: reynold on Nov 11, 2009 at 04:31 PM
Pasensya na po noobie lang po ako sa pdvd...plan ko po bumili nitong 200T, magandang po bang i-combo ito with Crown BF-646A Floorstander speaker...200w 96dB po sya...
tia po
It can and it will ;)
Post by: wengkapre on Nov 11, 2009 at 04:42 PM
Post by: reynold on Nov 11, 2009 at 04:52 PM
Yes!!!Makakapagstart na din ako ng HT setup ko sa bahay...namimili kasi ako between 200T or sakura 5023. A little more advice Sir kung wise move kung 200t ang kukunin ko po
You cannot use the 200T for your HT bro, 2-channel lang sya... this tube amp is good for stereo listening only sir :)
Post by: wengkapre on Nov 11, 2009 at 04:56 PM
Post by: anchit on Nov 11, 2009 at 05:00 PM
You mean Sir wala syang audio in? coconnect ko po yung audio from my PC thru my soundcard.
madami, aux, dvd, cd and sub. pero 2.1 lang at most ang mapapalabas mo sa kanya.
Post by: wengkapre on Nov 11, 2009 at 05:02 PM
tnx po
Post by: anchit on Nov 11, 2009 at 05:14 PM
A okay lang po mga Bossing kasi nagsstart pa lang naman po ako sa ganitong hobby...fulfilled naman po ako sa sound ng 2.0...I will buy this monster end of this month...
tnx po
parang higher maintenance ang tube sir ha.
Post by: reynold on Nov 11, 2009 at 05:16 PM
A okay lang po mga Bossing kasi nagsstart pa lang naman po ako sa ganitong hobby...fulfilled naman po ako sa sound ng 2.0...I will buy this monster end of this month...
tnx po
If that's the case bro, then it's alright :)
...but be prepared for lots of upgrades in the very, very near future ;D ;D ;D
Goodluck ;)
Post by: anchit on Nov 11, 2009 at 05:22 PM
A okay lang po mga Bossing kasi nagsstart pa lang naman po ako sa ganitong hobby...fulfilled naman po ako sa sound ng 2.0...I will buy this monster end of this month...
tnx po
IMO better lung kukuha ka ng prewowned receiver na lang bro.
Post by: wengkapre on Nov 11, 2009 at 11:03 PM
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IMO better lung kukuha ka ng prewowned receiver na lang bro.Sir anchit ano po recommended mo na receiver? budget ko po hanggang 4k or less tapos stick lang po muna ko sa Crown BF-646A dahil yun pa lang kalampag nitong speaker na to e baka ipabarangay na ko ng mga kapitbahay ko lalo na pag mas malakas pa na speaker ang bibilhin ko siguro! Kaya nga po I consider this 200T dahil mostly gagamitin ko lang sya for watching movies and mp3s from may pc...I'm also looking at Sakura 5023 saka Sir yung 387A>okay po ba tong mga to Sir?
tia po uli
Post by: cHiNo2728 on Nov 11, 2009 at 11:16 PM
Post by: anchit on Nov 11, 2009 at 11:32 PM
If I were you bro I'd go for either the flagship Sakura AV 348 or Sakura 387A. You can use them for HT 5.1 and 2.1. You can choose to have 5 speakers working all at once or just 2 speakers plus a sub. This tube amp is primarily for people who listen to audio/stereo 90% of the time. Just my thoughts.
Tama si chino, this tube amp are primarily for audio. Medyo tight ang bduget na 4k even for a preowned avr. King makaipon ka pa ng extra 2k, meron ng mga 6k na preowned avr dito sa marketplace natin.ü or if the sakura avr is swak sa 4k, pwde mo siguro subukan, perhaps chino can give you a good deal.ü
Goodluck!
Post by: wengkapre on Nov 12, 2009 at 08:57 AM
Sir maraming salamat po sa advices nyo, noted po yan ;)
Sir chino, hanap lang ako review nung av348 vs. 387A then, pag ok na lahat lalo na yung budget ;D pm po kita agad at sana po mabigyan nyo ko ng discount :D
Post by: reynold on Nov 12, 2009 at 03:11 PM
sa mga nakabili na, ask ko lang....
i saw na meron syang fan sa likod, does it work continuously or intermittently?
intermittently : meaning, volume dependent ba sya, umaandar pag nilakasan?
also, gagana ba sya kung mainit na ang amp or what?
also, hi rpm ba ung fan at maingay?
thanks sa mag rereply :)
Napansin ko kagabi na Volume Dependent yung fan, everytime it reaches 10 o'clock position (Volume Knob), umaandar yung fan, pero kapag hininaan mo na, namamatay sya... paulit-ulit ko tinest kanina, so i guess ganun talaga ang design ng fan nung amp :)
btw, tahimik lang yung fan kaya walang istorbo sa pakikinig ;)
Post by: oweidah on Nov 12, 2009 at 03:59 PM
Napansin ko kagabi na Volume Dependent yung fan, everytime it reaches 10 o'clock position (Volume Knob), umaandar yung fan, pero kapag hininaan mo na, namamatay sya... paulit-ulit ko tinest kanina, so i guess ganun talaga ang design ng fan nung amp :)
btw, tahimik lang yung fan kaya walang istorbo sa pakikinig ;)
kung gayon, may nag-iinit sa loob na nangangailangan ng fan pag nilakasan ang volume...
Post by: wengkapre on Nov 12, 2009 at 04:16 PM
Post by: reynold on Nov 12, 2009 at 04:28 PM
Sir maganda po ba SQ pag movies? kahit 2.0|2.1 setup lang po?
Maganda ang SQ ng movie kapag 2.1 channel kung ang makikinig ay hindi pa nakakarinig ng sounds ng 5.1 sir..
Iba talaga kapag 5.1 or more ang Sound setup mo, bitin kasi ang 2.1 channel lang, you'll never go back to 2-channel sa movie kapag nasanay ka na sa 5.1 setup ;)
Post by: wengkapre on Nov 12, 2009 at 04:44 PM
Post by: reynold on Nov 12, 2009 at 04:48 PM
may 5.1 ht ako Sir pero yung mumurahin lang nabili>nextbase HM050 nabili ko lang sa SM Applicance Ctr. Eto nga din pinag-iisipan ko. Malamang sa lakas panalo siguro itong 200T + 2xFloorstander speakers(Crown BF-646A)<pwede na sakin siguro to Sir :)
Kung dyan ka magiging masaya sa setup na yan sir, then it's worth it na rin :)
Happy Listening ;)
Post by: iiinas on Nov 12, 2009 at 04:51 PM
Sir maganda po ba SQ pag movies? kahit 2.0|2.1 setup lang po?
i think as @anchit and @chino have already mentioned, using this for movie wont be advisable. even if its budget friendly, it would be more prudent to save some more for a solid state based receiver.
tandaan mo, kahit magumpisa ka sa 2.0 or 2.1, eventually you are going to try to go for the full surround and i think mid term, its better to get a receiver already so that your next upgrade is just to add speakers into your setup and hopefully ending up with 5.1. just my two cents. ;)
and i think with your budget of 4k, 500 pesos nalang and you get this sakura receiver that's a dead ringer for a hk. ;)
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=103679.0 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=103679.0)
(http://i33.tinypic.com/33xfyg6.jpg)
Post by: wengkapre on Nov 12, 2009 at 04:55 PM
Post by: wengkapre on Nov 12, 2009 at 04:59 PM
this saturday pupunta ko ng Raon para makapag-audition ng mga receivers & speakers lalo na yang 348. Mas wise nga nag mag AV348 ako...futureproof kung baga... ::)
Post by: oweidah on Nov 12, 2009 at 05:05 PM
Luma na yung 5.1 ko Sir reynold...saka nabibitin ako sa kalampag. Nakita ng officemate ko na tiga audio-visual namin, advice nya etong 200T na lang daw kunin ko,kasi mura na daw kasi nung araw daw napakamahal daw ng mga t-amp.
sonic impact t-amp 2k lang po noon sa sm megamol daiichi
Post by: wengkapre on Nov 12, 2009 at 07:31 PM
Post by: oweidah on Nov 12, 2009 at 08:27 PM
Sir noong araw na wala pang megamol...tanda na nyun e ;D
ah ok di ko na inabutan yun ;D ,,,2005 ko lang yata nalaman ang t-amp.
good luck sa gear search mo, yan ang pinaka-exciting sa hobby na ito ;D
Post by: markcrenz on Nov 13, 2009 at 08:44 AM
Luma na yung 5.1 ko Sir reynold...saka nabibitin ako sa kalampag. Nakita ng officemate ko na tiga audio-visual namin, advice nya etong 200T na lang daw kunin ko, kasi mura na daw kasi nung araw daw napakamahal daw ng mga t-amp.tube amp is implied, not tripath t-amp
Post by: oweidah on Nov 13, 2009 at 08:51 AM
tube amp is implied, not tripath t-amp
oo nga noh! tube section pala ito kaya t-amp = tube amp ;D
ano kaya ss amp? sa-surplus? o speaker stand? ::)
Post by: rony on Nov 13, 2009 at 09:18 AM
Balak ko gamitin sa HT 2.0 setup sana driving 90db speakers.
Post by: reynold on Nov 13, 2009 at 11:41 AM
without tweaks maganda na rin sq?
Balak ko gamitin sa HT 2.0 setup sana driving 90db speakers.
Yes, the SQ of this tube amp is good for its price... but as other members always advice, it's better to have a receiver for HT para ma-enjoy nyo ng husto ang mga movies ;)
but if budget is the problem, you can always start with a 2-channel or 2.1 setup for HT goooooiiingggg to 5.1 to 7.1 to 7.2 or higher, unti-unti lang at maaabot din ang mga pangarap ;D
btw, for a 90db speakers, kayang-kaya ng amp na 'to ;)
WOW, pang 1000 post ko na pala 'to, isa na akong ganap na PinoyDVD Guru :D :D :D
Post by: docsialu on Nov 13, 2009 at 02:03 PM
Post by: anchit on Nov 13, 2009 at 02:09 PM
Yes, the SQ of this tube amp is good for its price... but as other members always advice, it's better to have a receiver for HT para ma-enjoy nyo ng husto ang mga movies ;)
but if budget is the problem, you can always start with a 2-channel or 2.1 setup for HT goooooiiingggg to 5.1 to 7.1 to 7.2 or higher, unti-unti lang at maaabot din ang mga pangarap ;D
btw, for a 90db speakers, kayang-kaya ng amp na 'to ;)
WOW, pang 1000 post ko na pala 'to, isa na akong ganap na PinoyDVD Guru :D :D :D
ayus! congrats! ;D
kita tayo minsan pre kinig natin stock at modded.=)
Post by: ledrahc on Nov 13, 2009 at 03:45 PM
Yes, the SQ of this tube amp is good for its price... but as other members always advice, it's better to have a receiver for HT para ma-enjoy nyo ng husto ang mga movies ;)
but if budget is the problem, you can always start with a 2-channel or 2.1 setup for HT goooooiiingggg to 5.1 to 7.1 to 7.2 or higher, unti-unti lang at maaabot din ang mga pangarap ;D
btw, for a 90db speakers, kayang-kaya ng amp na 'to ;)
WOW, pang 1000 post ko na pala 'to, isa na akong ganap na PinoyDVD Guru :D :D :D
Post by: -sniper- on Nov 13, 2009 at 03:48 PM
WOW, pang 1000 post ko na pala 'to, isa na akong ganap na PinoyDVD Guru :D :D :D
congrats fellow tubero! :D
Post by: wengkapre on Nov 13, 2009 at 08:53 PM
wag po sana kayong magsasawang tumulong sa mga kagaya kong baguhan lang po dito sa pdvd...
Mabuhay po kayo Sir!!!Mabuhay po ang pdvd!!!
Post by: lakambini on Nov 17, 2009 at 12:48 PM
Post by: oweidah on Nov 17, 2009 at 12:54 PM
Mga sir I am new sa tube, is the Sakura a great-sounding tube amp? How much and where to buy? Also, will the modicfications, stated in the earlier thread, provide a night and day difference? How much is the modification cost? Am really getting curious about the sound of tubes, tnx.
sir konting backread lang po. palagay ko kumpleto naman itong thread sa info. meron pa 2 thread sa marketplace/fs.
Post by: Signal2Noise on Nov 17, 2009 at 05:38 PM
rebranded ng sakura yan, halata naman dun sa sakua dba :)
Dami sa shenzhen nyan. BTW, boss anthony mas ok ba sya compare sa mga lm chips? since class ab sya?
Eto oh mas makatotohanan sa itsura pero mas nakakaaning yung presyo kung hindi iisipin ang mga kurakot sa tax :)
http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db2-37792f881ef1f37ec3087eaad68087a1.htm
http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db2-dd2fed1310cd69c6e7d736f232c8199f.htm
http://item.taobao.com/auction/item_detail-0db2-faacb0b4c161415118639e6712c530f5.htm
Magsawa ka :)
Post by: Signal2Noise on Nov 17, 2009 at 05:46 PM
Eto na yung picture ng Sakura AV-200 Amp @100wpc sa Raon.
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt245/textmailbox/08252009001.jpg)
(http://i616.photobucket.com/albums/tt245/textmailbox/08252009.jpg)
Front Panel:
Input Selector
Power Button
Volume Control
Side Panel:
Bass Control
Treble Control
Magkaka-idea na naman ang Konzert na magkaroon ng ganito. :D :D :D
Post by: oweidah on Nov 17, 2009 at 06:50 PM
Sayang lang pera mo diyan, baka wala pang ilang buwan ay makikita na natin dito sa Buy & Sell section as For Sale na kaagad. Mas mabuti pa na magpagawa ka na lang kay Andrew S. or sa mga nag-d-DIY ng tube amps dito sa PDVD. At least sigurado kang hindi cheapo electronics ang gagamitin na components and far better sounding than those tube amps built somewhere in China, just my 2 cents. :)
sir,
i dont own a sakura amp but may i ask exactly whats your reason for stating that "sayang lang ang pera mo diyan"? mas inferior ba ang mga parts neto kesa sa mga nabibili sa raon?
base sa post ng ibang may-ari ng sakura, mukang happy naman sila at wala pa ako nababasa o naririnig na sirain ang amp.
Post by: reynold on Nov 17, 2009 at 07:23 PM
one of the factors na tiningnan ko for me to purchase this amp is the price... sa napaka-gandang pagkaka-gawa ng kaha nito ay panalo ka na agad... every electronic gears/gadget naman ay posibleng masira, ang tanong lang e kung nagagawa pa ba... in this case, i'd rather buy a cheap gear like this tube amp na pwede namang magawa at ma-modify kaysa sa napaka-mahal na tube amp na pwede ring masira at mas mahal pa kapag pinagawa... make sense? just my practical opinion... peace ;)
someone in this community once quoted...
"hindi lahat ng mura ay pangit at sirain... at hindi lahat ng mahal ay maganda at matibay..."
...in the end, it's still the users satisfaction is always important ;)
Post by: Signal2Noise on Nov 18, 2009 at 12:51 AM
If this is the case, then go for a much more decent amp like the one being sold by a local manufacturer of tube amps or DIYers here. I saw last time they had sold an SE El84 (15wpc) and 6L6 PP UL Class A baby amp (30wpc) at 14-16K with Nichicon and Illinois caps , PP hard wired, no PCB, Alps potentiometer and comes with Sylvania NOS signal and JJ power tubes. So comparing the Sakura Tube Amp versus the amps made by a local manufacturer here. I think ours are far better than this amp somewhere from China. Not to mention again iyong local support nito kapag nasira. Baka gawa Lunes sira Martes ang kalabasan niyan , ilang buwan lang ay umuugong or nagha-hum na ang output trannies niyan (No Offense). Konti na lang ang diperensiya, save the cash and buy later that will last for a long time. Do you think? Just my 2 cents again and opinion ko lang ito.
sir,
i dont own a sakura amp but may i ask exactly whats your reason for stating that "sayang lang ang pera mo diyan"? mas inferior ba ang mga parts neto kesa sa mga nabibili sa raon?
base sa post ng ibang may-ari ng sakura, mukang happy naman sila at wala pa ako nababasa o naririnig na sirain ang amp.
Post by: Signal2Noise on Nov 18, 2009 at 01:07 AM
I managed to bought a locally manufactured amp for about 16K during their sale offer. I opened the chassis and saw the internal components. Nichicon / Illinois Caps, Japan Alps potentiometer, Point-point hard wired, 2 big output trannies and 1 power, not OTL design, Sylvania NOS signal tubes and choice of brands of power tubes like Tung Sol,Electro Harmonix, Svetlana, Shuguang and JJ.
So just think of the price-built/quality ratio compared to the Sakura Amp. (BTW,how much is this Sakura Amp w/o the tweak)? So my question now to you, is this amp durable? It's up to you to decide. This is just my 2 cents. :)
I dont think it's a disposable tube amp :)
one of the factors na tiningnan ko for me to purchase this amp is the price... sa napaka-gandang pagkaka-gawa ng kaha nito ay panalo ka na agad... every electronic gears/gadget naman ay posibleng masira, ang tanong lang e kung nagagawa pa ba... in this case, i'd rather buy a cheap gear like this tube amp na pwede namang magawa at ma-modify kaysa sa napaka-mahal na tube amp na pwede ring masira at mas mahal pa kapag pinagawa... make sense? just my practical opinion... peace ;)
someone in this community once quoted...
"hindi lahat ng mura ay pangit at sirain... at hindi lahat ng mahal ay maganda at matibay..."
...in the end, it's still the users satisfaction is always important ;)
Post by: seymorebutts on Nov 18, 2009 at 02:16 AM
So just think of the price-built/quality ratio compared to the Sakura Amp. (BTW,how much is this Sakura Amp w/o the tweak)? So my question now to you, is this amp durable? It's up to you to decide. This is just my 2 cents. :)
maybe you overlooked the actual price of the stock amp kaya nasabi mo na small difference lang compared to other tube amps na quality wise
stock is 3.5k to 3.7k basta <4k, pag modded around 6k ata
Post by: Signal2Noise on Nov 18, 2009 at 04:32 AM
maybe you overlooked the actual price of the stock amp kaya nasabi mo na small difference lang compared to other tube amps na quality wise
stock is 3.5k to 3.7k basta <4k, pag modded around 6k ata
Post by: Signal2Noise on Nov 18, 2009 at 05:17 AM
whoaaa...hold your horses.....this Sakua amp is a hybrid amp....ss output and tubed buffer input......no sense to compare with a pure tubed amp...
Post by: dana on Nov 18, 2009 at 08:16 AM
Sayang lang pera mo diyan, baka wala pang ilang buwan ay makikita na natin dito sa Buy & Sell section as For Sale na kaagad. Mas mabuti pa na magpagawa ka na lang kay Andrew S. or sa mga nag-d-DIY ng tube amps dito sa PDVD. At least sigurado kang hindi cheapo electronics ang gagamitin na components and far better sounding than those tube amps built somewhere in China, just my 2 cents. :)
obviously, its just your opinion and you are entitled to it.
better check the unit first. i dont own one yet, but i have listened and checked the build quality from a friend.quite impressed based on price ,performance and build ratios.
how sure are you that those you mentioned & some diyers who commission work dont use raon or cheap parts from time to time, close ba kayo
peace...:)
Post by: gutierrez on Nov 18, 2009 at 08:29 AM
Too good to be true for a tube amp of that price. Have you in any way ask yourself what's inside of that amp, will it sound really good even at the very least of an audiophile level? is it durable in a long run and etc? You know, my wife has a very little knowledge about electronics as in very little (ipod and creative speakers ok na sa kanya) but when i told her about a tube amp that cost less than 10K, she raised her eyebrow and said "Ano ba 'yon, meron bang ganon? hindi kaya sunog-bahay 'yon?" Imagine, for a person na walang hilig sa hobby natin eh nagkaroon pa ng doubt ng sabihin ko sa kanya ito. Well how much more pa sa atin. Anyway, this is a personal choice, you buy the amp, you take the risk. Mine is just an opinion. Peace & Good luck :)
What's your audio setup? If I may ask. I just acquired a modified sakura amp and it's waaay better than my ss Harman integrated amp, which is about 3x i'ts price (modified sakura pricing). I could let you listen to my setup and I'm sure that you'd change your perception about cheap electronic devices. I was hesitant at first but when I listened to it, I immediately grabbed one. Even the unmodified Sakura sounds good, the only difference is that the modified sounds cleaner and better staging, everything else are the same.
Post by: gutierrez on Nov 18, 2009 at 08:32 AM
Post by: cHiNo2728 on Nov 18, 2009 at 08:58 AM
Everyone has a point, however it all boils down to the cost. I could buy 4 or 5 AV-200T's for the price of one single DIY or Branded Tube amp. Pag nasira, pwede naman parepair and upgade na din. I also look at it in a way that more people who have never experienced the joy of listening to a hybrid tube amp, will now be able to without spending a lot of cash for their gears. Mas maraming napapasaya mas maganda. Yung lang po ang aking palagay!
Happy Holidays po! ;D
Post by: leftover on Nov 18, 2009 at 09:04 AM
Eto opinion ko, yung nabibiling mga china-made na dvd/cd players sa raon karamihan cheapo ang dating pero kahit nakakarinig ako na madaling masira, nagtry pa rin ako, at sa halaga ng mga ito sulit na yung pinambili ko kasi halos 5 yrs na sa akin at di pa sira.
Why dont you try this sakura bago mo sabihing sayang ang pera...marami ka maaantagonize niyan bro
Peace! Happy xmas :D
Post by: Signal2Noise on Nov 18, 2009 at 09:08 AM
What's your audio setup? If I may ask. I just acquired a modified sakura amp and it's waaay better than my ss Harman integrated amp, which is about 3x i'ts price (modified sakura pricing). I could let you listen to my setup and I'm sure that you'd change your perception about cheap electronic devices. I was hesitant at first but when I listened to it, I immediately grabbed one. Even the unmodified Sakura sounds good, the only difference is that the modified sounds cleaner and better staging, everything else are the same.
Post by: leftover on Nov 18, 2009 at 09:12 AM
I am using the Amadeus SR#1 KT88 & Maestro SE 845 (Direct Heated Triode) amps, Sonus Faber Grand Piano Speakers and Garrard / NAD C542 players.
Wow, great set-up. Pricey. Siguro naman pag nagtry ka ng sakura na worth 7k(modified) chicken feed lang sa iyo bro. Try it then post your final opinion/review of the product. :)
Post by: Signal2Noise on Nov 18, 2009 at 09:16 AM
obviously, its just your opinion and you are entitled to it.
better check the unit first. i dont own one yet, but i have listened and checked the build quality from a friend.quite impressed based on price ,performance and build ratios.
how sure are you that those you mentioned & some diyers who commission work dont use raon or cheap parts from time to time, close ba kayo
peace...:)
Post by: dana on Nov 18, 2009 at 09:25 AM
Wow, great set-up. Pricey. Siguro naman pag nagtry ka ng sakura na worth 7k(modified) chicken feed lang sa iyo bro. Try it then post your final opinion/review of the product. :)
agree. wow, pricey set up, im sure.if you feel like it,try to borrow a sakura or grab one and make an honest to goodness sound comparison/evaluation before ending it with a period.:)
Post by: Signal2Noise on Nov 18, 2009 at 09:34 AM
Opinions are better left unsaid much more if yours sounds like "bashing" a product without even trying it! Mayroon nagsasabing pangit ang gawang china, at meron din namang sulit daw kasi mura...so what i did is bumili ako ng cd player, dvd player atbp sa raon and i can safely say, based on my experience, nakatsamba ako ng matibay and they are still serving me though ocassionally na lang.
Eto opinion ko, yung nabibiling mga china-made na dvd/cd players sa raon karamihan cheapo ang dating pero kahit nakakarinig ako na madaling masira, nagtry pa rin ako, at sa halaga ng mga ito sulit na yung pinambili ko kasi halos 5 yrs na sa akin at di pa sira.
Why dont you try this sakura bago mo sabihing sayang ang pera...marami ka maaantagonize niyan bro
Peace! Happy xmas :D
Post by: Signal2Noise on Nov 18, 2009 at 09:38 AM
agree. wow, pricey set up, im sure.if you feel like it,try to borrow a sakura or grab one and make an honest to goodness sound comparison/evaluation before ending it with a period.:)
Post by: dana on Nov 18, 2009 at 09:53 AM
And besides, whatever the insides of the amp are what matters most is the quality of sound it produces. In terms of durability, I'd say that it will always depend on the user. I've no intention to argue, just stating my opinion about your opinion.
yes, generally its in the pudding, what it taste. not everybody in this hobby, especially the newbies around understand what a cheapo part looks like.for all they know, they are looking at them closely but still cant recognize that it is cheap. its a gift sometimes to detect one. also, its an advantage if you are deep into this hobby and been reading/learning around or electronics engg literate. what's important I believe is the tried and tested circuit topology used and observing the correct part ratings...the parts & the unit's reliability, well that's the manufacturer's job or option...possible waterloo to sustain his business if he can't address possible future RMA/CMA , market complaint issues :)
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 18, 2009 at 09:58 AM
What should be avoided are some of the backyard operators, which reminds me of those cheap Lithium Polymer battery chargers wherein it charges at 12.6V but uses 10V rated caps. ::)
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 18, 2009 at 10:06 AM
yes, generally its in the pudding, what it taste. not everybody in this hobby, especially the newbies around understand what a cheapo part looks like.for all they know, they are looking at them closely but still cant recognize that it is cheap. its a gift sometimes to detect one. also, its an advantage if you are deep into this hobby and been reading/learning around or electronics engg literate. what's important I believe is the tried and tested circuit topology used and observing the correct part ratings...the parts & the unit's reliability, well that's the manufacturer's job or option...possible waterloo to sustain his business if he can't address possible future RMA/CMA , market complaint issues :)
I believe the warranty from the Chinese manufacturer of this product is non-existent. The local distro should be the one to absorb warranty repairs/replacement.
Post by: Signal2Noise on Nov 18, 2009 at 10:10 AM
If I may add my two cents worth:
Everyone has a point, however it all boils down to the cost. I could buy 4 or 5 AV-200T's for the price of one single DIY or Branded Tube amp. Pag nasira, pwede naman parepair and upgade na din. I also look at it in a way that more people who have never experienced the joy of listening to a hybrid tube amp, will now be able to without spending a lot of cash for their gears. Mas maraming napapasaya mas maganda. Yung lang po ang aking palagay!
Happy Holidays po! ;D
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 18, 2009 at 10:12 AM
becuase labor is dirt cheap in china, no labor unions to disrupt factory operations, no haggling for pay increases...etc.....etc....they can come up with really cheap goods......many times better than we can here in PI......
but mind you, technlogy comes from such places as the US and European union countries.....this is inevitable....
this amp is now on the very top of my "to do" list once i am back.....
i will dissect this amp and report finding here....
this amp is the best you can buy "for the money".....period.... ;D
a close friend says they work for food and shelter? and they work fast too for they must reach a certain quota for the day.
maybe we should convert to communism so we can build dirt cheap gears like they do. ;)
ot: you're coming home for the holidays? i'm still hoping one day you can bring home a box of ak47s... ;D ;D ;D
btt: reverse engineer a schematic for me will you please... ;D
Post by: Signal2Noise on Nov 18, 2009 at 10:24 AM
Imo, not all China made gears are bad, especially when a company outsources their labor there and sends in a company representative for strict quality compliance.
What should be avoided are some of the backyard operators, which reminds me of those cheap Lithium Polymer battery chargers wherein it charges at 12.6V but uses 10V rated caps. ::)
Post by: Signal2Noise on Nov 18, 2009 at 10:26 AM
OT: a lot of folks here have no idea of what that word means, they just don't care... :'(
neither do i..... ;D
but i do care when we get sidetracked, like the national panasonic closing shop here, and Intel moving to Vietnam.....tsk...tsk...we really love to shoot ourselves in the foot... :'(
Post by: -sniper- on Nov 18, 2009 at 10:27 AM
as for the durability, i echo the opinion of the others that it depends on the user. if you are a careless owner, no matter how expensive your gears are, it will easily breakdown. being aware of the prevailing notion that china made products are not that durable, we are already forewarned and, thus, should exercise extra care in using the product.
just my thoughts...
thanks.
Post by: kenchix1 on Nov 18, 2009 at 10:31 AM
whoaaa...hold your horses.....this Sakua amp is a hybrid amp....ss output and tubed buffer input......no sense to compare with a pure tubed amp...
Tanong ko lang sir, when you say SS output and tube buffer input what does it mean ba ? parang the same ba yan sa SS amp na nilagyang ng tube buffer ? pacencia na sir, di ko alam pano imagine, newbie lang.
Thanks. :)
Post by: Signal2Noise on Nov 18, 2009 at 10:37 AM
growing up, i used to hear this, "gawang Hapon, sira sa hapon..."
then came korean tv's.....
and taiwan.....before china.....
this is a natural reaction of folks that have a hard time shedding off their colonial mentality....
i wonder, are there still those among us who thinks that "US made" goods are best?
Post by: dana on Nov 18, 2009 at 10:38 AM
I believe the warranty from the Chinese manufacturer of this product is non-existent. The local distro should be the one to absorb warranty repairs/replacement.
agree.if the local distro receive so much complaints from these, the best option is just terminate business relationship with china counterpart (manufacturer directly, maybe).sourcing na lan ulet sa china ;D.but sakura is sakura, its been in the market na rin for sometime. so, it must have proven its brand na rin, maybe.. china will soon or already moving forward from these "inferiority complex products", supplying almost the rest of the world thru outsourcing mfg activities.aside from those mentioned by sir tony, halos lahat ng support industries, nandun na thus, making it really cheap to produce/support new product developments.
Post by: -sniper- on Nov 18, 2009 at 10:46 AM
if only we can get our acts together, instead of pulling each other down....
blame it on the crabs. ;D
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 18, 2009 at 10:54 AM
OT: a lot of folks here have no idea of what that word means, they just don't care... :'(
neither do i..... ;D
but i do care when we get sidetracked, like the national panasonic closing shop here, and Intel moving to Vietnam.....tsk...tsk...we really love to shoot ourselves in the foot... :'(
indeed we do. ;D
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 18, 2009 at 11:00 AM
agree.if the local distro receive so much complaints from these, the best option is just terminate business relationship with china counterpart (manufacturer directly, maybe).sourcing na lan ulet sa china ;D.but sakura is sakura, its been in the market na rin for sometime. so, it must have proven its brand na rin, maybe.. china will soon or already moving forward from these "inferiority complex products", supplying almost the rest of the world thru outsourcing mfg activities.aside from those mentioned by sir tony, halos lahat ng support industries, nandun na thus, making it really cheap to produce/support new product developments.
I agree, the sakura amp we used to amplifier the electronic organ at church still works. But not just because it's a sakura, but because the topology used in there was already proven to be robust.
OT: even the movie 2012 outsourced the building of the arks in China. ;) ;D
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 18, 2009 at 11:05 AM
growing up, i used to hear this, "gawang Hapon, sira sa hapon..."
then came korean tv's.....
and taiwan.....before china.....
this is a natural reaction of folks that have a hard time shedding off their colonial mentality....
i wonder, are there still those among us who thinks that "US made" goods are best?
hahaha! I remember our relatives in Angeles, Pampanga uses "state-side" kitchen gears only.
but I think the problem with Japan made stuff before was communication, they don't have the proper user's manual for their products that's why they broke more often. unlike US-made stuff where it has to be able to withstand a war and still function. ;D
even the US-made M-16 broke a lot during the Vietnam conflict, not because of it's plastic parts, but because soldiers didn't read the manual. ;D ;D ;D
Post by: Signal2Noise on Nov 18, 2009 at 11:06 AM
A Luk Lai Amplifier is not as good as the NAD/Cambridge that were assembled in PRC.
A Ling Ma Ref is not as good and durable as GE / Westinghouse that were assembled in China or Korea.
A Cheng Du loudspeakers is not as good as the B&W or Monitor Audio that were assembled in China.
A Strawberry Car is not as good and safe as the Chrysler or Toyota that were assembled somewhere in SEA.
A chinese brand vacuum tube is not as good as the RCA/GE/Brimar/Raytheon & other NOS electron devices.
This are probably the reasons why the notion still exists. It's not about the colonial mentality.
Other countries think the same when it comes to chinese brands, not brands that were patented and assembled in china. It's 2 different things.
growing up, i used to hear this, "gawang Hapon, sira sa hapon..."
then came korean tv's.....
and taiwan.....before china.....
this is a natural reaction of folks that have a hard time shedding off their colonial mentality....
i wonder, are there still those among us who thinks that "US made" goods are best?
Post by: kenchix1 on Nov 18, 2009 at 11:10 AM
if you read jojoD's post in the earlier pages, you will find what i mean... ;D
Done reading back from page 11 to 1 searching for sir Jojo's post on each page, didn't find any or probably I just don't understand because of the complexity of the conversation. Thanks anyway sir.
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 18, 2009 at 12:51 PM
Tanong ko lang sir, when you say SS output and tube buffer input what does it mean ba ? parang the same ba yan sa SS amp na nilagyang ng tube buffer ? pacencia na sir, di ko alam pano imagine, newbie lang.
Thanks. :)
Yes pareho lang, ganyan ang ginawa sa av200 with the exception na tube rectified yun input buffer.
Done reading back from page 11 to 1 searching for sir Jojo's post on each page, didn't find any or probably I just don't understand because of the complexity of the conversation. Thanks anyway sir.
When you say tube buffer input and ss output it means that the "amplification" is still done by the ss output stage and the tube buffer only has a gain of 1 (kaya nga po buffer). That is how this av200 is Sir.
On the other hand, it is also possible for a hybrid amp (tube input/ss output) to have the "amplification" done by the tube section (gainstage na ito, hindi na tube buffer ang tawag), it is then followed by a "power follower" (often times referred to as a current amplifier) that has a gain of 1 which drives the speaker.
To recap, there are 2 ways to make a hybrid.
1. Tube buffer input -> SS amp output stage
2. Tube gainstage input -> SS power follower
I hope this clears things for you Sir.
Cheers
Edit:
There's a 3rd way pa pala, you can use high current voltage regulators and use them as power followers too to drive speakers, the gain is still dictated by the tubes in such a case.
Post by: iiinas on Nov 18, 2009 at 01:26 PM
To recap, there are 2 ways to make a hybrid.
1. Tube buffer input -> SS amp output stage
2. Tube gainstage input -> SS power follower
I hope this clears things for you Sir.
Cheers
Edit:
There's a 3rd way pa pala, you can use high current voltage regulators and use them as power followers too to drive speakers, the gain is still dictated by the tubes in such a case.
question master, the hybrid gainclone i got from you is an example of the second way? tube gainstage -- ss follower?
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 18, 2009 at 01:32 PM
question master, the hybrid gainclone i got from you is an example of the second way? tube gainstage -- ss follower?
that's correct Sir...
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 18, 2009 at 01:42 PM
in case 1, buffer has unity gain, well, almost, gain is provided by the SS output stage..
in case 2, tube input stage provides voltage gain, the SS output stage only provides current, voltage gain is unity, or one.....
exactly...
BTT: I hope to get the chance to listen (with my gears) a previously modified av200 tonight... sana matuloy. ;D
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 18, 2009 at 01:46 PM
(http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z103/diy_master/DSC00396.jpg)
i've always wondered how the amp section was biased... the size of the heatsink tells a lot but I still want to "touch" one and see for myself...
Post by: iiinas on Nov 18, 2009 at 01:56 PM
in case 1, buffer has unity gain, well, almost, gain is provided by the SS output stage..
in case 2, tube input stage provides voltage gain, the SS output stage only provides current, voltage gain is unity, or one.....
in theory, which is a better design concept in which better sq can be achieved? case 1 or case 2? :)
Post by: macdon on Nov 18, 2009 at 02:07 PM
exactly...
BTT: I hope to get the chance to listen (with my gears) a previously modified av200 tonight... sana matuloy. ;D
I would eagerly await your feedback el presidente ;D
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 18, 2009 at 02:26 PM
in theory, which is a better design concept in which better sq can be achieved? case 1 or case 2? :)
In a perfect world, both should be the same. Both will present a very high source impedance, however, tube sound tends to sound more prominent when they "amplify" the signal as such in the 2nd case.
There are many applications for buffers, take the tube hybrid gainclone (JLTi) of Joe Rasmussen for example, the tube buffer is there not because of it's looks or just to have a tube in there. The tube buffer is used to isolate the input of the gainclone from the varying resistance that is being presented by the volume control.
In essence, the gainclone will change it's high frequency response dependent on the position of the volume control which in fact acts as a low pass filter (together with the gainclone's input capacitance). Adding a buffer in front of the amp isolates the volume control from the gainclone and the tube buffer presents a constant impedance to the amp, independent of the volume control's position.
I would eagerly await your feedback el presidente ;D
Sana nga matuloy Brader...
Post by: kenchix1 on Nov 18, 2009 at 02:55 PM
Yes pareho lang, ganyan ang ginawa sa av200 with the exception na tube rectified yun input buffer.
When you say tube buffer input and ss output it means that the "amplification" is still done by the ss output stage and the tube buffer only has a gain of 1 (kaya nga po buffer). That is how this av200 is Sir.
On the other hand, it is also possible for a hybrid amp (tube input/ss output) to have the "amplification" done by the tube section (gainstage na ito, hindi na tube buffer ang tawag), it is then followed by a "power follower" (often times referred to as a current amplifier) that has a gain of 1 which drives the speaker.
To recap, there are 2 ways to make a hybrid.
1. Tube buffer input -> SS amp output stage
2. Tube gainstage input -> SS power follower
I hope this clears things for you Sir.
Cheers
Edit:
There's a 3rd way pa pala, you can use high current voltage regulators and use them as power followers too to drive speakers, the gain is still dictated by the tubes in such a case.
Thanks sir, that I understand. ;D
Post by: reynold on Nov 18, 2009 at 03:01 PM
i read somewhere (posted by sir Tony) that the small tubes of this amp can be replaced by 12AT7 tubes and sir JojoD agree..., so tube rolling is possible and safe for this amp, right? may ibang tubes pa ba na pwede? And for those big tubes naman, pwede rin ba tube rolling dun and what is the safest tubes na pwede dun na available sa market today at madaling hanapin?
just curious ;)
Post by: iiinas on Nov 18, 2009 at 03:40 PM
In a perfect world, both should be the same. Both will present a very high source impedance, however, tube sound tends to sound more prominent when they "amplify" the signal as such in the 2nd case.
There are many applications for buffers, take the tube hybrid gainclone (JLTi) of Joe Rasmussen for example, the tube buffer is there not because of it's looks or just to have a tube in there. The tube buffer is used to isolate the input of the gainclone from the varying resistance that is being presented by the volume control.
In essence, the gainclone will change it's high frequency response dependent on the position of the volume control which in fact acts as a low pass filter (together with the gainclone's input capacitance). Adding a buffer in front of the amp isolates the volume control from the gainclone and the tube buffer presents a constant impedance to the amp, independent of the volume control's position.
Sana nga matuloy Brader...
depends on the implementation....and your tastes....
if you are more into tubes, you may find case 2 to be better....else you may find case 1 better...
thanks sa mga sagot! well, i find my jdlabs tube hybrid's sq very pleasing. neutral sound, which is how i like it. so i guess i like case 2. :D
but if the sakua/sakura is case 1, i hope i will be able to listen to one in a foreseeable future. its really a great piece of equipment at its price. the beauty of it is price for admission into tube sound need not be expensive anymore. :D
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 18, 2009 at 05:17 PM
I have another questions for the Masters...
i read somewhere (posted by sir Tony) that the small tubes of this amp can be replaced by 12AT7 tubes and sir JojoD agree..., so tube rolling is possible and safe for this amp, right? may ibang tubes pa ba na pwede? And for those big tubes naman, pwede rin ba tube rolling dun and what is the safest tubes na pwede dun na available sa market today at madaling hanapin?
just curious ;)
I believe that the 12AT7 "replacement" was used in a different context. Iirc, we were talking of possible modifications (not upgrades) that requires re-wiring. (Disclaimer) I personally don't suggest such a replacement until I can confirm what tube pinout was used in the av200.
Tube rolling is possible for all types of tube equipment naman sir, but we only have to be sure which type is it so we can make further suggestions.
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 18, 2009 at 05:19 PM
i do not see any....
just as I thought. I wish it still is a class ab with a fixed bias nga lang.
Post by: reynold on Nov 18, 2009 at 05:22 PM
I believe that the 12AT7 "replacement" was used in a different context. Iirc, we were talking of possible modifications (not upgrades) that requires re-wiring. (Disclaimer) I personally don't suggest such a replacement until I can confirm what tube pinout was used in the av200.
Oh i see, so it's for upgrades pala. Thanks Sir Jojo, i'll be waiting for your feedbacks kapag napag-aralan mo na ang AV200 ;)
Tube rolling is possible for all types of tube equipment naman sir, but we only have to be sure which type is it so we can make further suggestions.
E bakit kasi tinanong ko pa 'to, ang lakas naman ng pakiramdam ko na ganito ang kasagutan sa tanong ko, hehehe for the sake of other members na lang siguro kaya ko naitanong ;D ;D ;D
Maraming salamat Sir JojoD ;)
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 18, 2009 at 05:27 PM
E bakit kasi tinanong ko pa 'to, ang lakas naman ng pakiramdam ko na ganito ang kasagutan sa tanong ko, hehehe for the sake of other members na lang siguro kaya ko naitanong ;D ;D ;D
Maraming salamat Sir JojoD ;)
Sabi ng titser ko noon bata pa ako... "Kapag hindi ninyo naintindihan, huwag mahiya na itaas ang kamay..."
;D
Post by: reynold on Nov 18, 2009 at 07:47 PM
Sabi ng titser ko noon bata pa ako... "Kapag hindi ninyo naintindihan, huwag mahiya na itaas ang kamay..."
;D
Korek, i agree ;)
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 19, 2009 at 12:44 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/jojod818/JD%20Labs/av200.jpg)
Build quality looks good for it's price... unfortunately I cannot open this for it's not mine and I need to send it back asap. :P
Btw, it says 5Z4P on the 2 rectifier tubes, no id on the peanut bulbs though. >:(
Post by: macdon on Nov 19, 2009 at 01:17 AM
Sa wakas nakahiram din ako nito...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/jojod818/JD%20Labs/av200.jpg)
Build quality looks good for it's price... unfortunately I cannot open this for it's not mine and I need to send it back asap. :P
Btw, it says 5Z4P on the 2 rectifier tubes, no id on the peanut bulbs though. >:(
Sound impressions perhaps? ;D
Post by: iiinas on Nov 19, 2009 at 06:48 AM
Sound impressions perhaps? ;D
+1 ;D
Post by: qguy on Nov 19, 2009 at 07:02 AM
Sabi ng titser ko noon bata pa ako... "Kapag hindi ninyo naintindihan, huwag mahiya na itaas ang kamay..."
;D
Post by: markcrenz on Nov 19, 2009 at 09:00 AM
this amp has fet differential/current mirror input stage, tube VAS stage in differential mode, this in turn buffered by a pnp transistor in a commen emitter type stage finally driving the mosfet output stage...melting pot of all active devices.... ;Dnosebleed!!! overheat utak ko...
in theory, you can also have a fourth type, that is both tube and ss stages have voltage gains....
Post by: oweidah on Nov 19, 2009 at 11:39 AM
Post by: gutierrez on Nov 19, 2009 at 12:48 PM
Post by: markcrenz on Nov 19, 2009 at 12:54 PM
... unfortunately I cannot open this for it's not mine and I need to send it back asap. :Psayang. ano kaya IC o transistors ng amp nito?
Post by: reynold on Nov 19, 2009 at 02:24 PM
we'll find out in 2 weeks time...promise.....i'll be looking into viability of tweaking also... ;D
eto ang hinihintay ko ;)
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 19, 2009 at 05:13 PM
Sound impressions perhaps? ;D
+1 ;D
In the short amount of time I had with it I find the music too compressed (or tends to compress) for my taste. It's like when I turn the volume up, only the mids increases magnitude, the lows and highs gets left behind, the result was Beyonce sounds like she has a cold while singing and sometimes tends to be too sibilant. It's hard to describe really, but again, with such a short amount of time, I was like in a rush.
The good news is that I will have another shot at it next week, this time with a lot longer foreplay and more intimate relationship - I was promised to get to see it naked. ;)
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 19, 2009 at 05:17 PM
i forgot to mention the Luxman LV-103/105 series....they use the 6CG7 tubes as VAS stage, they were raved at afaik, getting good reviews....
this amp has fet differential/current mirror input stage, tube VAS stage in differential mode, this in turn buffered by a pnp transistor in a commen emitter type stage finally driving the mosfet output stage...melting pot of all active devices.... ;D
in theory, you can also have a fourth type, that is both tube and ss stages have voltage gains....
Iirc, it was Prof Leach who always talk about operating the VAS stage in Class A - and what better active device to do this than a vacuum tube... the hotter, the better. ;D
Post by: macdon on Nov 22, 2009 at 10:55 PM
(http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/11/88/38/44/dsc_0197.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=628&u=11883844)
(http://i88.servimg.com/u/f88/11/88/38/44/dsc_0198.jpg) (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=629&u=11883844)
I really wanted to hear an un-modified Sakura to compare with a modified version but unfortunately Anthony only had modified ones.
To begin with, do take this all with a grain of salt as I was skeptical myself in using a floorstander speaker with having a low 86db sensitivity rating. The amp did fill my living room with adequate music at a comfortable level & it has an impact to a degree but most times it was brite with no depth or weight.
There was no 'midrange lush' that is common with tube gears which actually made me think that i was just using a solid state amp.
However, even at a modified price of 6.5k - its hard to beat and to anyone looking for their first (SS or Tube) amp should atleast audition this amp. Just remember to pair it with higher sensitivity speakers of 89db and up.
Post by: dencio105 on Dec 04, 2009 at 11:31 PM
In the short amount of time I had with it I find the music too compressed (or tends to compress) for my taste. It's like when I turn the volume up, only the mids increases magnitude, the lows and highs gets left behind, the result was Beyonce sounds like she has a cold while singing and sometimes tends to be too sibilant. It's hard to describe really, but again, with such a short amount of time, I was like in a rush.
The good news is that I will have another shot at it next week, this time with a lot longer foreplay and more intimate relationship - I was promised to get to see it naked. ;)
Post by: docsialu on Dec 05, 2009 at 03:27 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 07, 2009 at 10:25 AM
Any update on this sir?:
Unfortunately, no new update sir. Hindi kami natuloy nun ka-date ko due to time constraints.
I hope TonyT has some news...
Post by: reynold on Dec 07, 2009 at 08:12 PM
Post by: dana on Dec 08, 2009 at 02:44 PM
yup, got mine just now......Jems had it listed for 3850, but when i asked seller Alma, she told me i can have it for 3500, so without further ado, i got one....expect my review in a day or two.... ;D
initial impression....mas pogi sa personal yung amp.... :D
welcome back Sir TonyT...aside from your isound mpressions, if you feel like it, baka pede nyo po kuhanan ng kahit konting basic measurements including freq. response para sa mga curious...
thanks
Post by: oweidah on Dec 09, 2009 at 11:56 AM
yup, got mine just now......Jems had it listed for 3850, but when i asked seller Alma, she told me i can have it for 3500, so without further ado, i got one....expect my review in a day or two.... ;D
initial impression....mas pogi sa personal yung amp.... :D
congrats sir tonyT. bakit lalayo pa eh sa Jem's lang 3.5k na. nung una ko nagtanong sakua amp wala sila kaya sa kahanay una nakita ko. nung nagkaron stock binisaya ko agad sila inday kaya 3.5k agad pero ayaw na magpa-tawad nung amo.
Post by: markcrenz on Dec 09, 2009 at 12:56 PM
power supply caps for the SS output stage are rated at 35vdc.....so that rails could be anywhere from +/-25 to +/- 30 volts, therefore this amp can deliver about 48 watts average per channel into an 8 ohm load...per my estimates....besides, the power traffo seem just about right for a 100watt amp...tube-driven gainclone amp?
Post by: reynold on Dec 09, 2009 at 05:14 PM
i am still puzzled by the 2 rectifier tubes.....
will try to enjoy the sounds first before i operate on this amp.....
at 3500, this is a novelty of an amp, and i will not modify this amp in any way until i get to know it better....
more to come.... ;D
and oh, the Sakura 5026 at 3500 is also quite tempting....yummy.... ;D
what's with the rectifier tube sir Tony?
...and you're also right, the 5026 is really tempting ;)
Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 09, 2009 at 11:23 PM
There are two 2200/25volts caps.....tube rects do not see this king of filter caps...so i suspect that these rectifier tubes are there just for show....but will know for sure when i get to dismantle the tube section...
Run the amp without the tube rects?
Post by: reynold on Dec 10, 2009 at 04:31 PM
Run the amp without the tube rects?
Is this possible? i mean for other tube amps, pwede ba tumunog yun w/o the rectifiers?
Post by: comecum on Dec 10, 2009 at 04:41 PM
May local source na ba for solid capacitors?
Post by: doasmarx on Dec 10, 2009 at 05:54 PM
even at 3850, this amp is a steal... ;D
interesting sirs san ba tong jems store na to
Post by: doasmarx on Dec 10, 2009 at 05:59 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 10, 2009 at 10:35 PM
Is this possible? i mean for other tube amps, pwede ba tumunog yun w/o the rectifiers?
Yes it's possible. If the tube rectifiers are just for show then the whole thing will run even with the tube rectifiers out of their sockets.
not yet...untill i understand fully how the thing works.....the amp stays as is for now.... ;D
off-hand i can tell that the tube pre-amp section needs tweeking...... ;D
it will take more than just capacitor mods imho.... ;D
I understand, baby steps then... ;D
Maynilad is all over our streets, messing up my schedule date with my specimen. >:(
Reinventing it already? ;D I suggest installing a speaker time delay at least, something with dc protection would be great I guess. ;D
Post by: dencio105 on Dec 11, 2009 at 07:42 AM
Any impressions on the performance of the unit without performing tweaks?
Post by: dana on Dec 11, 2009 at 08:22 AM
compared to my leach amps, not as good....but i suspect given better speakers, (i am currently using my AIWA's) and signal source, this amp can really sing.....
bass is very good, mids are credible, highs fair......for the price, this amp rocks...
ok guys, coming from sir TonyT's...what are we waiting for ;D ;D ;D
Xmas gift sa mga big kids
Post by: deuce on Dec 11, 2009 at 09:17 AM
bass is very good, mids are credible, highs fair......for the price, this amp rocks...
At may separate sub out pa! ;D
Post by: cHiNo2728 on Dec 11, 2009 at 03:59 PM
Yung mga 13 month dyan ilabas na. Hehe!
Post by: NongP on Dec 11, 2009 at 04:32 PM
Post by: shuttertrigger on Dec 11, 2009 at 04:43 PM
got one yesterday @ jems. available colors are gold & silver :)
san yung gems sir? sa raon ba yan? thanks :)
Post by: oweidah on Dec 11, 2009 at 04:55 PM
san yung gems sir? sa raon ba yan? thanks :)
Jems- raon cor. evangelista. walking distance sa place mo ;D
Post by: reynold on Dec 11, 2009 at 05:48 PM
got one yesterday @ jems. available colors are gold & silver :)
May silver na rin??? ;)
Ayan na, pinag-aaralan na nila ng husto ang Sakura Tube Amps :)
...as per sir Tony's review, i totally agree with him, for the price, sulit na sulit na talaga... and i think may ibubuga pa ng husto ang amp na 'to kapag na-tweak ng maayos, syempre courtesy of our masters Sir Tony and Sir JojoD ;)
Post by: deuce on Dec 11, 2009 at 08:14 PM
compared to my leach amps, not as good....but i suspect given better speakers, (i am currently using my AIWA's) and signal source, this amp can really sing.....
You really ought to hear this brave little amp paired with Anthony's proac clones, sir.
This amp may have issues with the Wharfe 9.1 or Anthony's own floorstanders, but with
his proac clones, the combination is... astonishing!
Post by: ramgos on Dec 11, 2009 at 11:08 PM
You really ought to hear this brave little amp paired with Anthony's proac clones, sir.
This amp may have issues with the Wharfe 9.1 or Anthony's own floorstanders, but with
his proac clones, the combination is... astonishing!
Is your Sakura the modified one, or the original from Raon?
Post by: comecum on Dec 12, 2009 at 09:22 AM
(http://i33.tinypic.com/2v2zko4.jpg)
Post by: shuttertrigger on Dec 12, 2009 at 09:47 AM
Jems- raon cor. evangelista. walking distance sa place mo ;D
thanks boss... esep esep muna :)
Post by: eksi on Dec 12, 2009 at 09:57 AM
May ganitong finish ba sa Raon? Open ba dun on Sundays?
(http://i33.tinypic.com/2v2zko4.jpg)
nakapaling yung isang tubo
Post by: oweidah on Dec 12, 2009 at 10:13 AM
thanks boss... esep esep muna :)
welcome. imo, ok na amx sonatina mo ;D
Post by: shuttertrigger on Dec 12, 2009 at 10:18 AM
welcome. imo, ok na amx sonatina mo ;D
thanks again sir.. yeah... parang nangangati lang ako sir..hehe ;D
Post by: oweidah on Dec 12, 2009 at 10:29 AM
thanks again sir.. yeah... parang nangangati lang ako sir..hehe ;D
sige gogogo! abangan ko sonatina hehehe ;D
Post by: anchit on Dec 12, 2009 at 10:33 AM
Post by: dencio105 on Dec 12, 2009 at 10:50 AM
i dont think na pampapogi lang yung big tubes sa likod, kasi i got mine busted after 1hr of playing, nangitim, ayun ayaw na gumana ng amp. then anthony replaced it with a new one, so far i've logged at least 150hrs of playing dito ke kuring ko, im happy with it, parang ginawa sya para sa clones. ;)
How much were the replacement tubes?
Post by: anchit on Dec 12, 2009 at 11:13 AM
How much was the replacement tubes?
FREE. ;) mine is a modified sakura.
Post by: markcrenz on Dec 12, 2009 at 12:35 PM
FREE. ;) mine is a modified sakura.panalo talaga aftersales service ni master anthony!
Post by: Tube Pro on Dec 14, 2009 at 01:56 PM
infantile mortality ang tawag dyan....otherwise tatagal pa yung tubes....i ran the amp without those big tubes, and there was no sound, this time these big boys are needed for the amp to work....
one of these days i will reverse engineer the tube preamp stage and find out exactly how it ticks....
while i have 2 issues with "my" unit, i am in no hurry to mod it, i am still enjoying the sounds....
these amp should be able drive any speaker, it has high enough power, about 45 watts per channel...
Hi Sir TonyT,
Very impressive comments sir!
Mas lalong dumami ang nangangating bumili...
:D
Post by: eqp2009 on Dec 29, 2009 at 01:48 PM
Thanks.
Ed
Post by: eqp2009 on Dec 29, 2009 at 02:00 PM
Post by: jake052478 on Jan 12, 2010 at 04:47 PM
i just got mine today.... hmmm maganda nga... i will let you know kung kelan ko ipamodify tong amp... sounds good on acoustics... Sir Tony... please let me know when you will modify yours para alam ko review nito.... For Me.... Newbie din lang ako into this hobby... but i enjoyed it right away.... hope it will last.... je je je.... tamang tama ito sa sub ni MARCOPILYO.... may sub out eh... je je je....
Post by: wengkapre on Jan 12, 2010 at 10:18 PM
Hello,
i just got mine today.... hmmm maganda nga... i will let you know kung kelan ko ipamodify tong amp... sounds good on acoustics... Sir Tony... please let me know when you will modify yours para alam ko review nito.... For Me.... Newbie din lang ako into this hobby... but i enjoyed it right away.... hope it will last.... je je je.... tamang tama ito sa sub ni MARCOPILYO.... may sub out eh... je je je....
Pwede ba yun Sir tonyt/Anthony derecho na sa amp4v2+sub ni marco? May issue nga ba 'tong 200T sa Floorstander ni Anthony...please elaborate na lang po...
Post by: jarod on Jan 12, 2010 at 10:48 PM
Pwede ba yun Sir tonyt/Anthony derecho na sa amp4v2+sub ni marco? May issue nga ba 'tong 200T sa Floorstander ni Anthony...please elaborate na lang po...Maybe what the previous poster meant was since there was a sub pre-out, it can be connected to pilyo's passive sub through an amp of course unless pilyo had an active sub ;)
For the 200T vs AAudio FS, this I gottae hear as well.
Post by: deuce on Jan 12, 2010 at 11:07 PM
This amp may have issues with the Wharfe 9.1 or Anthony's own floorstanders, but with
his proac clones, the combination is... astonishing!
Please let me clarify. Previous to my post above, two others commented rather unfavorably on the Sakura AV-200T; one paired it with the Wharfe 9.1, the other paired it with one of Anthony's floorstanders. That's all I meant! And why I said "may have," not "has." ;)
Post by: wengkapre on Jan 13, 2010 at 08:20 AM
Post by: jake052478 on Jan 13, 2010 at 10:13 AM
Post by: wengkapre on Jan 13, 2010 at 10:39 AM
Quote
I agree with Sir TonyT regarding his comment on Wharfedale 9.1... I used this speaker at home and guess what... the Sakura sings with it beautifully. Je je je... wala namang problema yong wharfedale 9.1 ko pairing it with this amp.... ganda ganda ng tunog.... i just got mine yesterday.... reading all the reviews here about the amp i finally decided to get one for my audio setup.... I am still waiting for a Yamaha setup for my HT... je je je... ganda ng tunog.... di ko pa na test yong sub out nia i guess this will also a good pair with MARCOAMP... je je je... yes i mean connect muna sa ampv2 ni pilyo then sa sub... kayo naman.... je je je... i also got a 5.1 setup of this.... 1 amp4v2 and 5 pieces amp5 of sir MARCO PILYO and of course a sub enclosure and subwoofer.... Je Je JeSir how's the performance of this t-amp in Movies?
Post by: oweidah on Jan 13, 2010 at 10:47 AM
Post by: jake052478 on Jan 13, 2010 at 12:24 PM
Regarding movies, di ko tinest because i plan it to be use dedicated for audio lang... pag medyo mahilig ka sa audio... malaki kasi pagkakaiba ng tunog... may separate akong setup for HT.... Yong SAKURA for audio lang talaga siya... i am even planning to connect it to my computer so that di na hussle sa mga CD... i have a gud sound card naman... medyo mid high na rin yon... pero i guess it will no longer matter but i hope maganda pa rin tunog...
Post by: NongP on Jan 13, 2010 at 12:41 PM
Post by: markcrenz on Jan 13, 2010 at 12:56 PM
Post by: deuce on Jan 13, 2010 at 12:58 PM
tanong ko lang po pede ba ito sa 4 ohm 80watts floorstander speaker? salamat
Pwede. My Dali Suite 1.7 is 4 ohm, 89 db, 40-160 watts. The Sakura AV-200T drives it pretty loud :D.
Post by: NongP on Jan 13, 2010 at 04:18 PM
salamat ng marami.
Post by: markcrenz on Jan 13, 2010 at 04:29 PM
hindi ako sure, pero yung dtx ko meron so okey alng....yung amps kasi ni marcopilyo walang xover e. di rin cost-effective kung bibili pa ng separate xover. thanks anyway sir tony!
Post by: machoman on Feb 07, 2010 at 12:07 PM
san kaya pde papalitan yun tube?
thanks!
Post by: macdon on Feb 07, 2010 at 12:31 PM
accidentally natamaan ko yun malaking tube, nabasag. :(
san kaya pde papalitan yun tube?
thanks!
Sir, contact DIY Master Anthony - baka may extra pa sya ;)
Post by: machoman on Feb 11, 2010 at 08:17 AM
Sir, contact DIY Master Anthony - baka may extra pa sya ;)
thanks macdon!
got one from anthony. :)
Post by: sentinel808 on Feb 26, 2010 at 11:20 PM
Post by: iiinas on Feb 27, 2010 at 05:53 AM
Hi, who sells the modified version of the sakura 200t tube amp?
@diy_master used to do it. i dont know if he still does this since he is busy with his speaker creations. but you can try contacting him through pm if he still does it.
Post by: egzbuen on Mar 05, 2010 at 05:06 PM
Can you guys give me a heads-up on what I need to purchase to attach these FS to the AV-200t? I will be buying them from ACE probably, so, nothing fancy please ;D I would want to know to what I need to buy to attach my active sub too.
Thanks in advance ;)
Post by: -sniper- on Mar 05, 2010 at 05:18 PM
Can you guys give me a heads-up on what I need to purchase to attach these FS to the AV-200t? I will be buying them from ACE probably, so, nothing fancy please ;D I would want to know to what I need to buy to attach my active sub too.
Thanks in advance ;)
i don't know if the speaker wires from ACE are good. i suggest you buy from a/v stores.
for the subwoofer cable, you can ask paolorenzo to make one for you, just give him the length you need. :) here is his thread:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=95498.0 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=95498.0)
hope this helps. :)
Post by: anchit on Mar 05, 2010 at 05:21 PM
Hi guys, I am new in tubes and would be purchasing this amp this Tuesday along with 2 new floor standers.
Can you guys give me a heads-up on what I need to purchase to attach these FS to the AV-200t? I will be buying them from ACE probably, so, nothing fancy please ;D I would want to know to what I need to buy to attach my active sub too.
Thanks in advance ;)
hi bro, you can try contacting paolorenzo, get a banana plug, some decent speaker wires. Paolo also has really good cable for your sub. Im using this amp with the Proac Clone BS, serving me well naman.
Post by: oweidah on Mar 05, 2010 at 05:49 PM
hth
Post by: egzbuen on Mar 06, 2010 at 05:18 PM
I will try and check out what paolo has to offer.
Going back to my question, what type of cable configuration would I need?
1. My A-Audio FS to connect to my AV-200T; and
2. My Ganzklar sub to connect to my AV-200T.
Meaning, two RCAs to two RCA jacks or one RCA jack that becomes two or what?
Sorry, really a newbie in this.
Thanks in advance again.
Post by: shuttertrigger on Mar 09, 2010 at 08:10 PM
Ok, thanks for all the heads-up guys.
I will try and check out what paolo has to offer.
Going back to my question, what type of cable configuration would I need?
1. My A-Audio FS to connect to my AV-200T; and
2. My Ganzklar sub to connect to my AV-200T.
Meaning, two RCAs to two RCA jacks or one RCA jack that becomes two or what?
Sorry, really a newbie in this.
Thanks in advance again.
sir, do you mean speaker cable on number 1? you may try gauge 12 oxygen free speaker cable (maraming brand, it depends on your budget syempre ;)) parang highway yan, mas mataba yung wire mas maganda ;)
for the sub, usually coax ang gamit. I recommend to use both RCA's on your sub. Mas solid ang tunog. May adaptor na nabibili to accomodate 1 input RCA to 2 output RCA. hope this helps :)
Post by: reynold on Mar 11, 2010 at 12:46 PM
pwede pamalit ang mga tubes na ito: 5R4,5V4, 5W4, or even 5Y3,
yung 6H23, pwede palitan ng 6922, or 6dj8...
Hi Sir Tony,
Have you already tried replacing the tubes? im just curious, may malaking difference ba in terms of sound quality using those tubes above? Thanks ;)
Post by: anchit on Mar 11, 2010 at 05:24 PM
Hi Sir Tony,
Have you already tried replacing the tubes? im just curious, may malaking difference ba in terms of sound quality using those tubes above? Thanks ;)
actually i was about to ask the same question. malaki ba gastos sirs pag pinalitan?
Post by: saladmaster on Mar 12, 2010 at 02:26 PM
Post by: reynold on Mar 12, 2010 at 03:59 PM
if get them NOS, you might end up spending more than the cost of the unit itself.....the 6H23 will not require replacement any time soon, so with the big tubes....unless you want ot tube roll...
Yes Sir Tony, for tube rolling lang sana, curious lang talaga ako kung may malaking difference ba in sound quality :)
Post by: xdaatom206 on Mar 15, 2010 at 11:36 PM
Post by: ultimax on Mar 17, 2010 at 12:52 PM
Post by: wengkapre on Mar 17, 2010 at 01:09 PM
Post by: egzbuen on Mar 17, 2010 at 05:57 PM
contact diy_master Sir
+1
Post by: xdaatom206 on Mar 17, 2010 at 08:39 PM
Post by: yygoob on Mar 18, 2010 at 12:21 PM
(http://yfrog.com/j3piosx34bj)
(http://yfrog.com/0dsx34bj)
kaya pa kayang maayos o bili na lang ng sakura tube amp
Post by: ultimax on Mar 18, 2010 at 01:10 PM
BTW: I came across a chinese tube amp probably the same manufacturer of the Sakura AV-200T but this one is an AV-400 trademark is "newjomo". It is very much the same in appearance of the Sakura and the specs are:
Real 2.1 channel output
Main channel 80W x 2
I attempted to show an image but don't know how to do it. Buyers/suppliers are required to contact them for the price and probably the minimum no. of units. Anyway check it out at:
http://www.made-in-china.com/products-search/hot-china-products/Tube_Amplifier.html
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Post by: rocker30 on Mar 22, 2010 at 01:31 PM
Post by: deuce on Mar 22, 2010 at 03:07 PM
Hi! I am a newbie here and would like to get information on who or where I can upgrade my sakura av-200t tube amp. I was reading this forum and is very interested on the cost of upgrading one (3k?). I will very much appreciate any info (name, store, contact no.). Thanks again and more power
Hi, there, Ultimax!
If you are the same Ultimax in Wiredstate, and if you take up Hypertriode on his enthusiastic invitation to "bring your unit over and let's see what we can do with your Sakura," can you please share the results with us in this thread? Not too many of us know the great Mr. Rivo that well, to successfully solicit such an invitation :)!
With this, plus Sir TonyT's hints at future tube-rolling and mods, great things might be in store for the Sakura AV-200T. It seems the saga of this lowly sub-P4k amp will never end :).
Post by: ea_potenciano on Mar 24, 2010 at 11:44 AM
Post by: ultimax on Mar 24, 2010 at 03:26 PM
In my opinion this amp will someway serve as an "advent" to peolple like me who loves to listen to pure analog music. I guess I'll stick to it for a while, read more forums, audition other popular tubes, and finally when ready...... be good to my wife..hehehe. :D
Post by: oweidah on Mar 26, 2010 at 12:37 PM
I have just bought the sakura a couple of days ago and been listening to it for a total of 18 hours now.I first tried to hook a couple of polk speakers as satellites to a powered MK sub, nice at first but then something nasty happened. The mk gave and what was left was an irritating humming sound. I transferred the polk monitors to a passive subwoofer from my old bose acoustimass, spin some of my audiophile demo recordings and after a few adjustments Hmmm.. quite impressive specially on the acoustic strings and the vocals are clear and decent.
In my opinion this amp will someway serve as an "advent" to peolple like me who loves to listen to pure analog music. I guess I'll stick to it for a while, read more forums, audition other popular tubes, and finally when ready...... be good to my wife..hehehe. :D
congrats! i'm glad you're satisfied/happy.
aside from you, sir tonyt na lang yata ang alam ko na gumagamit neto. medyo marami na yata ang nasa marketplace
btw i believe hybrid tube amp ito, tubes used sa preamp & rectifier?
enjoy!
Post by: gunslinger on Mar 26, 2010 at 12:53 PM
Yung source ko either laptop CD player or PSP. ;D Nasira kasi dedicated CDP ko and still saving for a replacement.
Maganda ang SQ lalo na sa mids and highs.
Post by: egzbuen on Mar 26, 2010 at 07:29 PM
Ako din still using a modified version from Anthony. Its used to power my 1SC BS clones and 2.5 FS Clones alternately depende sa mood. ;D
Yung source ko either laptop CD player or PSP. ;D Nasira kasi dedicated CDP ko and still saving for a replacement.
Maganda ang SQ lalo na sa mids and highs.
I am using the same amp and modification. Not bad for its price. I am still using a DVDP and quite contented already.
Post by: Brian_mico on Mar 26, 2010 at 07:41 PM
I am using the same amp and modification. Not bad for its price. I am still using a DVDP and quite contented already.
question lang mga sir... is it really there's a huge difference between stocks and modified? if yes ? what is it?
Post by: anchit on Mar 26, 2010 at 08:02 PM
Post by: egzbuen on Mar 26, 2010 at 11:21 PM
question lang mga sir... is it really there's a huge difference between stocks and modified? if yes ? what is it?
Let us wait for the experts. I haven't tried the unmodified version. I bought it modified at once.
Post by: Brian_mico on Mar 27, 2010 at 06:35 PM
this is very subjective....that is why my advice is to give you and your amp time to live together for a while, then mod and see for yourself....no guarantees that you will like the results, except that when you go that route it is a done deal, no going back... ;D
the atraction of this amp is that is is very very cheap....and yet delivers, once you mod it and increases its monetary value, then i am afraid some of the novelty might wear off.... ;D
actually what i'm trying to point it out, kung ok na pala yung stocks then bakit kailangan pang imodify... anwyay as you've said subjective talaga... it really depends on the person's references.
Post by: ultimax on Mar 27, 2010 at 07:20 PM
Post by: ultimax on Mar 28, 2010 at 01:33 PM
Anyway I suspect that this sakura amp av-200t is actually "newjomo" av-400. They both look alike but the spec's of the latter is 80w x 2. I have read this european forum discussing technical modifications. Maybe the masters could give us inputs. ???
(http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.topicattivo.com/31713796350-amplificatore-valvolare-av-400-cinese-ibrido-da-50-50w&ei=ZOeuS8fvGYvk7AOA-NHBDw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CCAQ7gEwBQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dnewjomo%2Bav-400%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-US%26rlz%3D1I7ADRA_en)
Post by: ultimax on Mar 28, 2010 at 07:21 PM
Strange that this sakura only existed locally hence the av400 have manage to find its way in europe. Both looks exactly the same on the outside except to the brand and wood panels. Anyway thanks for checking it out and I hope to get your professional opinion on what they are up to. ;)
Post by: monreq on Apr 19, 2010 at 03:48 PM
Note: I would suggest to use a pair of good headphones or good computer speakers
Enjoy
Please click the You Tube link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ)
Thanks for viewing. :)
Post by: John E. on Apr 20, 2010 at 03:47 AM
Just want to share video of Sakura AV200T Hybrid Tube Amp.
Note: I would suggest to use a pair of good headphones or good computer speakers
Enjoy
Please click the You Tube link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ)
Thanks for viewing. :)
nice! ;D
Post by: monreq on Apr 20, 2010 at 08:58 AM
Post by: Vhongbiker on Apr 20, 2010 at 12:13 PM
Post by: dencio105 on Apr 20, 2010 at 01:20 PM
mon hindi ko ma open :(
Try mo to sir:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk)
Post by: rspeed on Apr 23, 2010 at 10:17 AM
Post by: JoeyGS on Apr 23, 2010 at 10:58 AM
i have a noob question sirs.. pwede ba ikabit ang turntable dito? ???
Post by: rspeed on Apr 23, 2010 at 12:33 PM
TT ---> Phono Preamp -----> Sakura
ano cheap but good phono preamp sir?
Post by: nizmo on Apr 23, 2010 at 02:53 PM
ano cheap but good phono preamp sir?
musical fidelity v-lps ;D
Post by: JoeyGS on Apr 23, 2010 at 03:09 PM
+1
musical fidelity v-lps ;D
Post by: rspeed on Apr 23, 2010 at 08:58 PM
+1
how much masters? and where can i get? :)
Post by: nizmo on Apr 24, 2010 at 08:38 AM
how much masters? and where can i get? :)
there is one in our marketplace
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php?topic=113139.0
Post by: gunslinger on Apr 25, 2010 at 07:57 AM
Post by: nutkrakr on Apr 25, 2010 at 08:50 AM
Post by: markcrenz on Apr 26, 2010 at 09:17 AM
1. 3 sakura will be worth around 11k.
2. it will occupy a lot more space than a single HT receiver.
3. no remote.
4. may not have enough juice to handle the dynamics of HT.
Post by: ATJr. on Apr 26, 2010 at 04:05 PM
Post by: markcrenz on Apr 26, 2010 at 04:31 PM
@markrenz, you make a lot of sense....i would go for a single unit myself.... ;Doo nga sir. tapos yung complicated wirings pa, etc...
Post by: JojoD818 on Apr 26, 2010 at 06:48 PM
Post by: Onkyo606 on Apr 26, 2010 at 07:41 PM
Post by: nutkrakr on Apr 26, 2010 at 08:14 PM
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Post by: cococrunch on Jun 19, 2010 at 03:03 AM
Post by: yygoob on Jun 19, 2010 at 05:04 AM
Post by: jhelenz on Jun 26, 2010 at 06:09 PM
sir,im a newbee and meron po ako sakura av-200t tube amp san po ba pwede mag pa modify to make it better..hope you guys could help me.. :)bakit?ano ba hindi mo gusto sa stock?o ano pa gusto mo iimprove?parang balak ko din kasi subukan yan eh
Post by: jlester87 on Jun 27, 2010 at 05:13 PM
bale ito setup pang videoke
dvd player ---> Sakura av-200T ---> konzert kss-10
Post by: BigBert-2 on Jun 27, 2010 at 05:42 PM
ok ba i-pair ang konzert kss-10 500w dito? kakayanin kaya ng speaker?
bale ito setup pang videoke
dvd player ---> Sakura av-200T ---> konzert kss-10
Baka the other way around ang mangyari, baka yong tube amp mo ang di makakaya sa KSS-10 speaker. Try mo i-audition to be sure. Dalhin mo yong Sakura mo sa maynabebenta ng KSS-10 at subukan mo. ;)
Post by: BigBert-2 on Jun 27, 2010 at 05:44 PM
kay sir anthony aka diy master sir!!!
+1
Post by: jlester87 on Jun 29, 2010 at 02:43 AM
Quote
Just want to share video of Sakura AV200T Hybrid Tube Amp.
Note: I would suggest to use a pair of good headphones or good computer speakers
Enjoy
Please click the You Tube link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j05VfMSxJKk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZrw6xprZVQ
Thanks for viewing. Smiley
meron bang hoods run down? hehe
Post by: jlester87 on Jun 29, 2010 at 02:46 AM
Quote
Baka the other way around ang mangyari, baka yong tube amp mo ang di makakaya sa KSS-10 speaker. Try mo i-audition to be sure. Dalhin mo yong Sakura mo sa maynabebenta ng KSS-10 at subukan mo. Wink
ah ganun ba... ayos pala tong kss-10
Post by: bz on Jun 29, 2010 at 09:55 PM
Post by: BigBert-2 on Jun 30, 2010 at 09:15 AM
may nagsubok na tanggalin ang tube habang tumutunog? baka decoration lang ang tubo.
Parang nabasa ko yan sa Cayin thread bro!!! No offense to Cayin owners....Peace ;)
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,29032.540.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,29032.540.html)
Post by: jlester87 on Jul 01, 2010 at 09:03 PM
Post by: anchit on Jul 01, 2010 at 10:04 PM
may nagsubok na tanggalin ang tube habang tumutunog? baka decoration lang ang tubo.
my Kuring's rectifier, yung bigger tubes got busted, hindi na gumana yung amp, so i guess its not just for decoration. buti na lang Antony replaced it agad.
Post by: anchit on Jul 01, 2010 at 10:05 PM
Gaano kaya katagal ang lifespan ng vacuum tubes ng sakura amp? Saka madali bang makahanap nun kung sakaling masira and how much ang price? nagdadalawang isip kasi ko kung ito o yung AV-502K ang mas ok bilhin... bitin kasi ko sa jvc ax-r97 integrated amp + konzert tower speakers(2x100w) ko ngayon eh...
I've had mine for more than 8months already, i think ive logged at least 1000hours on it and its still working fine. my rectifier got busted nung bnew pa sya, wala kasi akong AVR i think nag flactuate yung kuyente. pero after that, wala ng problema
Post by: yygoob on Jul 02, 2010 at 01:00 PM
Post by: jhelenz on Jul 05, 2010 at 06:00 PM
Post by: anchit on Jul 05, 2010 at 06:57 PM
sir,puedeng malaman kung anong gamit mong speaker saka cd player na partner ng sakura mo?balak ko din kasi mag try ng sakura eh.9.1 kasi gamit kong speaker.tnx
ako pre 1sc Proac clone gawa ni DIY master. my CDP is just the cheapest cambridge, 340c.
OK yan pre sa 9.1, maganda yang wharfe na yan. ;) i
Post by: Onkyo606 on Jul 05, 2010 at 07:05 PM
ako pre 1sc Proac clone gawa ni DIY master. my CDP is just the cheapest cambridge, 340c.
OK yan pre sa 9.1, maganda yang wharfe na yan. ;) i
cheapest is relative brader hehehehehe
Post by: yygoob on Jul 05, 2010 at 10:22 PM
sir,puedeng malaman kung anong gamit mong speaker saka cd player na partner ng sakura mo?balak ko din kasi mag try ng sakura eh.9.1 kasi gamit kong speaker.tnx
mine naman coax 12 inches paired with laptop computer...ayos naman!!! sarap pang relax...
Post by: gunslinger on Jul 06, 2010 at 12:04 AM
Post by: jefftipon on Jul 28, 2010 at 01:40 PM
Post by: wengkapre on Jul 28, 2010 at 03:19 PM
Hello po Newbie po ako. may bose acoustimass series 2 ako. medyo luma ok pa sya. nakalagay sa likod nya max 200w receiver pwede po ba ito sa Sakura AV-200T parang gusto kong itong ampli na ito. kaso hindi ako familiar. Also plan ko rin ikabit ung karavision ko na pro-808. thanks
check mo Bro sensitivity ng speakers mo...recommended is atleast 90db
Sorry for the typo
Post by: Brian_mico on Jul 28, 2010 at 03:21 PM
Hello po Newbie po ako. may bose acoustimass series 2 ako. medyo luma ok pa sya. nakalagay sa likod nya max 200w receiver pwede po ba ito sa Sakura AV-200T parang gusto kong itong ampli na ito. kaso hindi ako familiar. Also plan ko rin ikabit ung karavision ko na pro-808. thanks
i don't think it will fit.... For me, Bose spkrs are for SS only and not designed for tubes amp... but if you think na ok naman para sa 'yo then go for it.. much better if you'll bring your spkrs when auditioning this amp..
Post by: jefftipon on Jul 28, 2010 at 04:42 PM
check mo Bro impedance ng speakers mo...recommended is atleast 90db
Bro, it ung nakalagay "Your speaker system is designed for use with receivers or amplifiers rated from 10 to 200 watts per channel with 4 to 8 ohm impedance." pasenya di ko talaga alam. newbie lang ako.
Please suggest kung anong compatible sakura amplifier na pwede. thanks.
Post by: reynold on Jul 28, 2010 at 05:16 PM
As for bro brian mico's advice, its true that speaker's impedance is very important, the higher it's rating, the easier for your amp to drive them, in other words... hindi hirap yung ampli for your speakers :)
Im also a user of Sakura Av-200 and it has been my main audio setup for my room since i bought it, mga 8mos na rin and it never failed to amuse me, it really is a bang for a buck Tube amp ;)
BTW, im also using a very old bookshelf speakers, Onkyo Liverpool D-200II (150wpc, 89db) and a Samsung HD-748 DVD player (as CD player), and their combination is awesome for my taste :)
Post by: Brian_mico on Jul 28, 2010 at 07:14 PM
Hi Bro, tutunog naman yung speakers mo sa sakura and im definite na kayang pakantahin ng sakura av-200 yung bose speakers mo, but the thing is, you have to listen first to the sounds they will produce, if it will fit enough for your taste then that's it, enjoy your setup and enjoy the Music ;)
As for bro brian mico's advice, its true that speaker's impedance is very important, the higher it's rating, the easier for your amp to drive them, in other words... hindi hirap yung ampli for your speakers :)
Im also a user of Sakura Av-200 and it has been my main audio setup for my room since i bought it, mga 8mos na rin and it never failed to amuse me, it really is a bang for a buck Tube amp ;)
BTW, im also using a very old bookshelf speakers, Onkyo Liverpool D-200II (150wpc, 89db) and a Samsung HD-748 DVD player (as CD player), and their combination is awesome for my taste :)
Nice feedback bro Reynolds... muzta na?
Post by: praktikal on Jul 29, 2010 at 01:34 PM
Hi Bro, tutunog naman yung speakers mo sa sakura and im definite na kayang pakantahin ng sakura av-200 yung bose speakers mo, but the thing is, you have to listen first to the sounds they will produce, if it will fit enough for your taste then that's it, enjoy your setup and enjoy the Music ;)mahusay nga as cd player ito. sa akin ka match nya mp5 at b&w 302. ;)
As for bro brian mico's advice, its true that speaker's impedance is very important, the higher it's rating, the easier for your amp to drive them, in other words... hindi hirap yung ampli for your speakers :)
Im also a user of Sakura Av-200 and it has been my main audio setup for my room since i bought it, mga 8mos na rin and it never failed to amuse me, it really is a bang for a buck Tube amp ;)
BTW, im also using a very old bookshelf speakers, Onkyo Liverpool D-200II (150wpc, 89db) and a Samsung HD-748 DVD player (as CD player), and their combination is awesome for my taste :)
ops, sorry po sa OT :)
Post by: jefftipon on Jul 29, 2010 at 03:04 PM
Post by: reynold on Aug 12, 2010 at 07:22 PM
mahusay nga as cd player ito. sa akin ka match nya mp5 at b&w 302. ;)
ops, sorry po sa OT :)
^^^ plus Samsung HD-748 DVD player (as CD player)
Nice Setup Bro ;)
Post by: gotoman2 on Aug 29, 2010 at 11:17 PM
is anyone familiar with these speakers?
pioneer cs-959
i'm planning to use it with the sakura av200t, pwede kaya?
thanks
Post by: dencio105 on Aug 31, 2010 at 07:24 AM
hi, newbie here
is anyone familiar with these speakers?
pioneer cs-959
i'm planning to use it with the sakura av200t, pwede kaya?
thanks
Eto ba yan sir?:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v85/izz_vgv/12042009028_resize.jpg)
Vintage 1984?
Post by: monreq on Aug 31, 2010 at 10:35 AM
Sakura Hybrid Tube Amp paired with Harmony X77
You Tube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj5hth-SASQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj5hth-SASQ)
Thanks for watching. :)
Post by: jlester87 on Sep 02, 2010 at 11:20 PM
thanks
Post by: jlester87 on Sep 03, 2010 at 10:41 AM
Quote
a leach amp can stand on its own but that is another story....
wow yun naman pala haha
newbie here
plan ko kasing gumawa ng leach amp, eh since mapapagastos ako sa transformer, case at big capacitors balak ko sanang gamitin nalang etong sakura at yung preamp niya.
ano po kayang specs ng powersupply? kakayanin kaya yung preamp + amp, or leach amp lang ang kaya niya?
thanks
Post by: jfbltzr on Sep 04, 2010 at 05:13 PM
Post by: wengkapre on Sep 04, 2010 at 05:28 PM
Post by: oweidah on Sep 04, 2010 at 05:28 PM
Hi! Would anyone know of someone who can make tweaks to this amp? I have a stock version of this amp but after hearing a tweaked version, I feel I need to have my amp tweaked also. I inquired with diy_master but he doesn't have available spare parts right now. Would you know who else tweaks these amps? Thanks!
this just me>
imo, signal path capacitors palitan mo ng mundorf mcap o supreme. usual value nyan 0.22uf or 0.47uf. tas papalitan mo sa marunong maghinang. pwede rin audiophiler capacitor at eleshop ronquillo quiapo. sayang wala na ako spare siemens oil caps. 100pesos each lang.
pwede rin palitan mo ng nichicon yung filter caps (malapit sa power supply). wag mo na gastusan yung ibang caps. baka mas malaki pa sa halaga ng unit ang gastusin mo. bili ka na lang kay mang gerry ng 6dj8/6922 preamp tubes. (i believe thats the equivalent of the chinese preamp tubes of your amp)
Post by: JojoD818 on Sep 04, 2010 at 07:50 PM
Post by: oweidah on Sep 04, 2010 at 08:12 PM
ayan oh pagawa mo kay ojofool...
sinabi ko sa post na maghanap siya ng magaling maghinang. hindi ako naghihinang at hindi rin ako nagmo-modify para sa iba.
Post by: JojoD818 on Sep 04, 2010 at 10:00 PM
Post by: gotoman2 on Sep 15, 2010 at 05:33 PM
Vintage 1984?
yup yan nga!
sad to say na nasira ko sya kanina! i hooked it up to a vintage sansui receiver
yung 4-way naging 2 way nalang. bumigay yung woofer and yung tweeter. :'(
worth it pa ba paayos 'to?
sorry OT na
Post by: monreq on Sep 29, 2010 at 08:31 AM
Video Of Previous Tweaks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj5hth-SASQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj5hth-SASQ)older video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljY8Oha7JPA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljY8Oha7JPA) previous video
Final Tweak Listening Tests Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlQXxMK-vQo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlQXxMK-vQo)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBGoe_pfMiU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBGoe_pfMiU)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFg53-uH13s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFg53-uH13s)
Thanks for viewing folks. :)
Post by: BigBert-2 on Sep 29, 2010 at 08:44 AM
Congrats bro. Just viewed the link.... ;)
Post by: monreq on Sep 29, 2010 at 08:53 AM
Congrats bro. Just viewed the link.... ;)Salamat! ;)
Post by: praktikal on Sep 29, 2010 at 10:40 AM
magkano inabot lahat for the tweak?
parang mas tumaba at kalmado ang tunog pero mas ok sana kung same music ang ginamit sa lahat ng test ;)
Post by: BigBert-2 on Sep 29, 2010 at 11:58 AM
ayos!
magkano inabot lahat for the tweak?
parang mas tumaba at kalmado ang tunog pero mas ok sana kung same music ang ginamit sa lahat ng test ;)
+1
Post by: monreq on Sep 29, 2010 at 04:18 PM
ayos!Tweak is less than P500. But the principle of the tweak is the one that counts. Simple lang siya pero madami pinagdaanan para maging simple at effective iyong circuit. I used various music in order to show the versatility of the audio set up. Iba kasi maganda lang sa vocals or acoustics. Masasabi ko kasi ok iyong set up kung di namimili ng music.
magkano inabot lahat for the tweak?
parang mas tumaba at kalmado ang tunog pero mas ok sana kung same music ang ginamit sa lahat ng test ;)
Thanks for the comment. :)
Post by: praktikal on Sep 29, 2010 at 05:26 PM
Post by: Schrodinger's cat on Sep 29, 2010 at 10:45 PM
Tweak is less than P500. But the principle of the tweak is the one that counts. Simple lang siya pero madami pinagdaanan para maging simple at effective iyong circuit. I used various music in order to show the versatility of the audio set up. Iba kasi maganda lang sa vocals or acoustics. Masasabi ko kasi ok iyong set up kung di namimili ng music.
Thanks for the comment. :)
Wow, galing sir! less than P500? double-wow!!!
Care to share your tweaks sir? ;D
Thanks in advance.
Post by: monreq on Oct 01, 2010 at 08:55 AM
Wow, galing sir! less than P500? double-wow!!!
Care to share your tweaks sir? ;D
Thanks in advance.
I love to bro. But the simple design was from the blood and sweat of rascal 101. It is his creation. I just assisted him on the experiment to get the proper sound. He can help you tweak your system at a reasonable price and big improvement. :)
Post by: monreq on Oct 01, 2010 at 08:58 AM
maganda sana ma side by side ito sa mp5 :)
Kahit Cayin bro magandang compare ito at iba pang Tube or Hybrid Tube Amp. Wala lang kasi location to do the testing. I am from Cavite and just living in an apartment. Sana mayroon taga Las Pinas o Alabang na mag offer. Offer? Parang special offer ;D;D
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 11, 2010 at 05:51 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 11, 2010 at 06:30 PM
yup, swapping the signal tubes every 6 months i would say, the sections used allows that.... you can even convert this amp to an all solid state amp if one wishes... ;D
those naughty chinese boys surely knows how to play around with tubes.... :D
that should last two lifetimes already! ;D ;D ;D
yup they do, hindi nga naman gagana pag walang tubes... ;D
Post by: markcrenz on Oct 12, 2010 at 07:28 AM
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 12, 2010 at 10:30 AM
Post by: markcrenz on Oct 12, 2010 at 12:24 PM
I believe Tony meant the tube rects were used for the opamps only, the amp stage has it's own silicon rects in it's psu...nga pala. so replacing these tubes with silicon rectifiers will give save about 20 watts, more available power to supply the amplifier. ano nga pala transistors or chip used for the amp?
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 12, 2010 at 05:24 PM
nga pala. so replacing these tubes with silicon rectifiers will give save about 20 watts, more available power to supply the amplifier. ano nga pala transistors or chip used for the amp?
yes, and you also save electricity... ;D environment friendly pa sir... ;D
the power amp is a classic discrete quasi-complimentary class AB amp, on my unit, 2SD717 power trannies were used....
uy classic nga kung naka quasi-comp siya... 2SD717 looks good already no need to replace/upgrade them unless you intend on increasing the rails...
Post by: monreq on Oct 12, 2010 at 11:22 PM
nga pala. so replacing these tubes with silicon rectifiers will give save about 20 watts, more available power to supply the amplifier. ano nga pala transistors or chip used for the amp?
KTD 718 Korean Made Triple Diffused NPN Transistor
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 13, 2010 at 08:32 PM
What are the rails on the amp board?
Jojo
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 14, 2010 at 07:43 AM
Post by: Zitr0 on Oct 15, 2010 at 06:49 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 15, 2010 at 09:56 PM
below is the schematic for the tube rectifiers, one tube for the positive 6volt rail and one tube for the negative 6 volt rail, remember that two rectifier tubes are supplying the input 4558 ic with +/-6 volts, these tubes supplies around 3~4mA current.....what do you think? too much hard work for a measly 80mW consumption!!!
~24 watts spent for a mere 80mW gain..... ???
notice too that the negative rail is a half-wave rectifier whereas the positive rail is a full wave type...
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b201/tecson/Sakua%20200AV/IMG_0466.jpg)
Tony sobra inefficient naman kung 24W spent (mostly for the heaters) then 80mW lang nagagamit! Besides, a +/-6V supply rails for the opamps is a bit on the low side, it may swing it's output very closely to it's rails. Siguro it's better to change it to a fullwave silicon rect which would be better than a "mestiso" fullwave/halfwave psu? And increase the supply rails for the opamps while you're at it na din. ;D
Lalamig pa yun tranny pag pinalitan mo ng ss rects... ;D ;D ;D
sir tony, sir jojo tanung curious lang, would replacing the tube rectifiers with silicone types alter also the sound character since i think the tubes give something to it? or hindi? hehehe!
no Sir it will not alter the sq, but increasing the opamp rails will - but for the betterment of the gear.
nakupo... powering an opamp with a tube rectifier while saying that it will improve the sound character is like walking naked in a gay bar with a sign saying "Rape Me!" (no offense to homosexuals)...
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 16, 2010 at 06:56 AM
agreed, so out with the rectifier tubes, 2 resistors and 2 0.1ufd caps tapped to the exixting +/-12volt rails...
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b201/tecson/Sakua%20200AV/IMG_0467.jpg)
that's much much nicer for the opamps Tony... ;)
yes, the filament glow...... ;D
the thing that gives the amp its tubey sound are the cathode followers:
although i am not happy with the lowish plate supplies, i will go along this time.
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b201/tecson/Sakua%20200AV/IMG_0468.jpg)
that sure looks like ala Joe Rasmussen CFs with +/-12V instead of +/-35V ;D
a symmetrical voltage quadrupler might be your best bet for an increased plate supply while using the existing taps in the tranny... ;D
Post by: bigfoot on Oct 16, 2010 at 09:40 AM
Post by: monreq on Oct 20, 2010 at 12:03 PM
Sir sa Pasig ka pa din ba or abroad na? Pag may binisita ko parents ko parinig naman yang Sakura mo...I'll also bring mine. Thanks. :)
that is why this amp is a DIY'ers friend....lot to tweak, lot's of possibilities, limited only by one's imagination... ;D
Post by: Pecs on Oct 21, 2010 at 12:24 PM
Post by: Pecs on Oct 22, 2010 at 08:16 PM
Post by: extreme teban on Nov 02, 2010 at 03:47 PM
The lowest price i got was P3,550.00 and the highest is P3,700.00
Do you think P 3,550.00 was the best price? Maybe you know a store that could give much lower price.
Thanks...
Post by: wengkapre on Nov 02, 2010 at 03:55 PM
Post by: extreme teban on Nov 02, 2010 at 04:04 PM
Pero okay ba sa ganitong setup... for AUDIO lang indoor at outdoor
2 X 10" KONZERT 300W Subwoofer / 2 X Horn Type Dai-Chi 200W Tweeter per channel
Kakayanin ba ng SAKURA AV-200T Tube AMP or baka may ibang SAKURA AMP kayo marerekomend
newbie lang po ako sa Audio Setup... pa help po kung may iba kayong idea...
Post by: wengkapre on Nov 02, 2010 at 08:04 PM
Ah ok pre...
Pero okay ba sa ganitong setup... for AUDIO lang indoor at outdoor
2 X 10" KONZERT 300W Subwoofer / 2 X Horn Type Dai-Chi 200W Tweeter per channel
Kakayanin ba ng SAKURA AV-200T Tube AMP or baka may ibang SAKURA AMP kayo marerekomend
newbie lang po ako sa Audio Setup... pa help po kung may iba kayong idea...
I never had a chance na makarinig ng ganyang set-up pa Brader, kaya di ko masasabi, si Brader Monreq ang setup nya Sakura tube amp(modified) + audio nirvana full range speaker, imo perfect combo ang tube amp + full range speaker...may speakers ka na ba or bibili pa lang?
Post by: extreme teban on Nov 02, 2010 at 08:06 PM
I never had a chance na makarinig ng ganyang set-up pa Brader, kaya di ko masasabi, si Brader Monreq ang setup nya Sakura tube amp(modified) + audio nirvana full range speaker, imo perfect combo ang tube amp + full range speaker...may speakers ka na ba or bibili pa lang?
wala pa sir bibili pa lang
Post by: wengkapre on Nov 02, 2010 at 08:15 PM
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,70456.1380.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,70456.1380.html)
Post by: extreme teban on Nov 02, 2010 at 08:44 PM
Post by: wengkapre on Nov 08, 2010 at 09:51 AM
hindi ako sure na bagay itong amp na to na pang-outdoor...... ;D
+1tb
Post by: eqp2009 on Nov 09, 2010 at 10:08 AM
+1tbI have an AV200 for a year and wants to convert it to tube output amplifier (DIY). Anybody there could help me get the schematics and part lists? I am new in radio electronics but can solder and knows a little bit of drawings and schematics. I would prefer an SET low watter design using the power supply and pre-amp of AV200.
Thanks.
Post by: eqp2009 on Nov 11, 2010 at 12:42 AM
if you want to go that way, just remember that you will be throwing away the power amp section.....if you intend to use the existing torroid, that will have to go under side, and then you need another transformer for the plate B+ and then two output transformers.......i suppose it is possible but be warned that it will be a lot of hard work and you may not like the results if your speakers are not suitable for a set amp.....]
if you really want to learn to make your own amps, i am more than willing to help.... ;D
You are right, the existing torroidal transformer has to go under if it fits, and yes I am removing the entire ss power amp section (so no turning back). I have RTi3 89db or RB3 94db speakers to use and the time to spend with this project. Im sure it would be a lot of work but sure a lot of things to learn. I prefer a low-watter SET using cheap triode tubes, parts, but good transformers for the start. Im new in audio electronics and would appreciate all the help (schematics, specs, etc) suggestions and comments along the way. I would be more than happy to share the results. I will wait for your recommendations then. Thanks.
Post by: eqp2009 on Nov 12, 2010 at 12:04 AM
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You are right, the existing torroidal transformer has to go under if it fits, and yes I am removing the entire ss power amp section (so no turning back). I have RTi3 89db or RB3 94db speakers to use and the time to spend with this project. Im sure it would be a lot of work but sure a lot of things to learn. I prefer a low-watter SET using cheap triode tubes, parts, but good transformers for the start. Im new in audio electronics and would appreciate all the help (schematics, specs, etc) suggestions and comments along the way. I would be more than happy to share the results. I will wait for your recommendations then. Thanks.
Or maybe later on somebody could sell complete upgrade DIY kits to those interested to convert to all-tube amplifier. The kit might contain schematics, pictorial diagram, parts including transformers, and connectors for easy connection to the preamp and power supply.
Post by: eqp2009 on Nov 13, 2010 at 02:11 PM
Post by: myxtlplyx on Nov 28, 2010 at 04:51 AM
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Nov 28, 2010 at 10:33 AM
punta ka sa wiredstate.com maraming nagbebeta ng tubes doon.....
very conservatively used yung mga rectifer tubes, imagine 6 volts lang ang output nya.... :D
Kasi hybrid siya?
Post by: wengkapre on Nov 28, 2010 at 05:26 PM
Post by: wengkapre on Nov 29, 2010 at 04:55 PM
hindi naman, at moderate listening levels baka hinid pa lumanpas ng 5 watts sa tantiya ko....
thanks Sir TonyT :)
Post by: myxtlplyx on Nov 29, 2010 at 09:44 PM
Post by: Zitr0 on Nov 30, 2010 at 01:48 AM
punta ka sa wiredstate.com maraming nagbebeta ng tubes doon.....
pero sa tingin ko, malabong mangangailangan ng replacements yung mga tubes.....yung 6922 pwede mo pagpalitin ng pwesto kada buwan, kasi kalahati lang ang ginamit, in effect meron kang spare tubes within the amp itself...
yung rectifiers naman hindi ko maimagine kung paano masisira, maliban na lang kung ibagsak mo at mabasag...
very conservatively used yung mga rectifer tubes, imagine 6 volts lang ang output nya.... :D
is it true mga sirs that this sakura is not good for tube rolling? pano kasi if its not only changing the tubes for replacement perse, but more on changing the character of sound?
Post by: wengkapre on Nov 30, 2010 at 09:34 AM
Post by: jhelenz on Dec 20, 2010 at 09:47 PM
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,127239.0.html
Post by: monreq on Jan 09, 2011 at 06:19 AM
Here is the link.http://tubesky.3hksky.com/6N2.html (http://tubesky.3hksky.com/6N2.html)
(http://www.google.com.ph/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://ussr-tubes.com/images/6N2P-EV.jpg&sa=X&ei=EPQoTZynIY_CcYSqqJoJ&ved=0CAQQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNGhAMPLAuzJn_NjXOTgxYH9371qZg)
(http://tubesky.3hksky.com/Pre-Amp%20Tube/ECC83-66-Russian.jpg)
So kindly PM me if you already have the tube 6n2p EV and has stocks for sale. Thanks.
Post by: markcrenz on Jan 09, 2011 at 02:09 PM
Post by: markcrenz on Jan 09, 2011 at 03:27 PM
Post by: yygoob on Jan 09, 2011 at 04:58 PM
hindi naman, at moderate listening levels baka hinid pa lumanpas ng 5 watts sa tantiya ko....
i have measure this amp's consumption using a watt meter.. and it reads 45 watts idle around 60 watts siguro kung playing music that why i bought a t-amp para makatipid sa kuryente.
Post by: monreq on Jan 09, 2011 at 09:16 PM
@monreq,
do not risk your money, cathode follower lang ang gamit nung tubes, saka kalahati lang ng tubes ang ginamit, pwede mong gawin ay pagpalitin yung 2 tubes, parang rotation ng tires sa kotse para para distributed ang pagkapudpod ng goma, walang gaanong sonic signature yan........
saka yung tanggal kabit ng tubes makaluwag ng socket yan, remember na china sockets yan, meron akong novar 9 pins na nabile ko na brand new, pero hindi magamit unless i re-crimp mo yung pins.....
pag minamalas malas ka at natapat ka sa mahinang tube, posibleng magka humming ka pa....
sabi mo happy ka na sa X77 mods mo......kulang pa rin? ;)
ako malapit ko nang ipamigay yung sakura ko sa pinsan ko, inaawitan kasi..... ;D ;D ;D
in case you are wondering, cathode followers are 100% negative feedback, ayaw na ayaw ng mga audiophiles yung negative feedback....
ang sonic character ay nadedevelop ng "common cathode" tube amps, dyan isinisilang ang 2nd harmonics na kinagigiliwan ng mga tube heads.....
Thanks sir Tony. Alam mo naman ako, I would like to test it first. I don't have plans for tube rolling. I just want to replace the chinese 6n2 with Russian 6n2p-EV if there is available locally. BAsta, i'll update you guys if I already have and test the 6n2p-EV. Theories are helpful in guiding us on decision making. But in real life everything can change. If I maximized the performance of Sakura with X77 Circuit to be more tubely...there is also a possibility that replacing the tube with 6n2p-EV can give better details and soundstage on Sakura. There is no harm in trying as long as the tube is compatible with the amp. The tube is cheap, actually. I just don't want to take the risk buying on E bay to an individual abroad. :)
P.S. I hate tube rolling and I hate chinese tubes. At least, Sakura will be for keeps after the final upgrade on tube. Also, I am not an audiophile Sir Tony, I am a simple audio hobbyist who have passion for natural analog sound. ;)
Post by: monreq on Jan 10, 2011 at 12:30 PM
@monreq,
the Sakura is a low cost amp that delivers the goods.. ;D...i bought the amp because of its novelty and the fact that it gave me more value supplying me with spare tubes.....
spending more money than what is cost you to acquire the amp is not a wise imho......
if the selling price at the time was 4,500 instead of 3,500 i would probably have not purchased that amp... ;)
you can even buy the same amp for 3000, here, http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,123275.0.html
(http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,123275.0.html)
For me it's the sound that counts. The stock Sakura is basically good. Doing the right modification that will rival the P20K up amps is a steal. As for now, I could say that the sound is near to a real tube amp (not pentode but push pull type tube amp) for me, and others that already heard it. It's insane if I am the only one who can appreciate the sound. If many did appreciate it means, I am on the right track. My point is to rival amps that are in the category of P20K up. So, it's fair enough to spend some to make this amp be a rival of those amps in that category. In D.I.Y, with proper modification,I can have the sound that I really want...and for me my objective is to have the natural analog sound. Sabi nga ni Mang ROd (Trodt Tube Amp creator) "nasa tenga yan panu matimpla ng tama ang tunog ng Amp. Di mo makukuha ang tamang tunog sa computation lang. Kailangan may actual adjustment din na kung saan doon mo talaga maririnig ang tamang timpla. Pero kailangan at pinaka importante marunong ka talagang makinig. Kasi kung hindi, magiging sintunado ang tunog ng amp mo o di tama." Sa audio industry maraming kayang gumawa ng amp, pero konti lang ang marunong magtimpla ng tamang tunog. Kaya kung gusto natin pagandahin and tunog ng set up natin, kailangan muna alam natin ang tunog na tama. Musical Instruments etc. Di natin basta puwedeng palitan na lang ang bawat components sa tweaking. Kailangan din alam talga natin epekto nito sa tunog kung malaki or maliit ba ang effect niya. Trial and error din to get the proper sound. IYan ang natutunan ko kay Mang Rod.
Alam mo yan sir Tony, you are experienced in your field. Ang pinagkaiba lang natin mahilig ako mag explore kahit wala sa libro. Sa totoo lang wala kasi ako pambili ng tube amp ni Mang Rod kaya ako nagkakaganito. Masyado ako nagandahan sa gawa niya kahit nung dati na di pa niya na introduce iyong "interstage coupling transformer." Ewan ko kung iyon nga tawag dun. Basta iyong transformer ni Mang Rod ang nagdadala ng ganda sa amp niya. Kaya nga may ibang tube amp na branded kahit anung ganda, parang walang buhay or manipis tumunog. Kasi nga iyong transformer ang problema.
Cheers.:)
Post by: yygoob on Jan 10, 2011 at 03:18 PM
@monreq,
the Sakura is a low cost amp that delivers the goods.. ;D...i bought the amp because of its novelty and the fact that it gave me more value supplying me with spare tubes.....
spending more money than what is cost you to acquire the amp is not a wise imho......
if the selling price at the time was 4,500 instead of 3,500 i would probably have not purchased that amp... ;)
you can even buy the same amp for 3000, here, http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,123275.0.html
(http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,123275.0.html)
+1
kung hindi lang ako nagtitipid ng kuryente... i would have bought another sakura 200t..i really love how it sounds
Post by: monreq on Jan 13, 2011 at 09:17 PM
"chinese tubes" yung 5Z4, gamit ng sakura kaya nila naibenta ng mura..... :DYes it's chinese tubes sir. Pero rectifier lang naman siya at di input tube or pre amp tube kaya wala masyado effect, di ba? ;)
Post by: BigBert-2 on Jan 16, 2011 at 09:45 AM
update:
changed the stock 6H23 tubes to russian 6H23.......and the winner is...... ;D
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_1369.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_1370.jpg)
a peek into my russian tube stash, sa tagal ng delivery time, naluma na ng husto yung box..... :D
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_1365.jpg)
Sarap naman yan sir, dami nyan ha.... sobra sobra na yatang stock yan even lifetime dina muubos.... ;D
Post by: molins on Jan 16, 2011 at 10:22 AM
congrats! ;)
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 16, 2011 at 07:35 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 16, 2011 at 08:12 PM
di ko pwedeng galawin yan, aawayin ako ni wifey...... :D :D :D
naku kahit ano galing sa electronics pag dating diyan wala tayo laban hahaha... ;D ;D ;D
baka sibilant yan speakers mo kaya nilagyan ni misis ng sound absorber sa ibabaw? ;D ;D ;D
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 16, 2011 at 08:20 PM
sinabi mo pa..... ;D
kakabitan ko nga sana ng DTX subwoofer, pero sa ganda ng response, buong-buo yung tunog ng kick drum at cymbals tama lang, natapat siguro ako sa magandang recording.....opm yung tugtog, do ko alam yung singer...
ok din pag may sub especially yun mga DTX subs, prices sa buy and sell are too good to let pass. nun isang gabi vst & company at cinderella ang trip ko dito sa bahay ;D ganda naman ng tunog eh...
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 17, 2011 at 08:04 AM
oo nga, pero dahil sa mura lang, marami ring ang nang-iisnob sa mga Dai-ichi as being non-audiophile grade, buti na lang hindi ako audiophile........ ;D ;D ;D
hindi dahil sa audiophile yun kaya nang-iisnob... baka naman isnabero lang talaga... ;D ;D ;D
paano pala yan gawa ng Dai-ichi yun Targa sub ko? :D
Post by: efren_ on Jan 17, 2011 at 08:05 AM
a peek into my russian tube stash, sa tagal ng delivery time, naluma na ng husto yung box..... :D
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_1365.jpg)
sir may nasama b jan na 6p15p, baka pede bumili ng tingi, pm me lang po. :D
Post by: monreq on Jan 17, 2011 at 11:15 AM
update:
changed the stock 6H23 tubes to russian 6H23.......and the winner is...... ;D
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_1369.jpg)
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_1370.jpg)
a peek into my russian tube stash, sa tagal ng delivery time, naluma na ng husto yung box..... :D
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_1365.jpg)
Sir Tony I thought you change the stock tube rectifier of Sakura and change it to SS type? Pinalitan mo lang pala ng rectifier tube na mas maliit, am I right? Ginaya kasi ng isang kasama natin dito iyong modification na ginawa niyo sa Sakura wherein you change the tube rectifier to SS type rectifier. Ewan ko kung palpak pagkagawa niya at di niya nasunod mabuti instructions niyo. Ang panget ng kinalabasan..the sound was so distant, poor imaging. Kaya I told him to return the stock tube rectifier to enjoy his Sakura again, which he already did. So, was that also your reason why you return the Sakura to tube rectified from SS? ::)
In D.I.Y, I realized that having mistakes is normal. Important thing is we find ways to make it better. :)
Post by: Stagea on Jan 17, 2011 at 11:25 AM
Sir Tony I thought you change the stock tube rectifier of Sakura and change it to SS type? Pinalitan mo lang pala ng rectifier tube na mas maliit, am I right?
I think he replaced the cathode follower 6H23 tubes. There's nothing plugged into the former rectifier sockets. Nakapatong lang yung dalawang tubes sa likod at hindi nakasaksak, baka kaya namalikmata ka sa picture.
Post by: monreq on Jan 17, 2011 at 12:44 PM
I think he replaced the cathode follower 6H23 tubes. There's nothing plugged into the former rectifier sockets. Nakapatong lang yung dalawang tubes sa likod at hindi nakasaksak, baka kaya namalikmata ka sa picture.Ay oo nga. Malabo na mata ko. :o Akala ko ibinalik niya na or nagpalit siya ng tube rectifier. Ksi may nakapatong na tubo sa likod. ::)
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 17, 2011 at 04:35 PM
all i did was to take out 5z4 tubes.....
original tubes yung nasa likod.....i posted the schematics on page 1 getting rid of the tube rectifiers is quite easy since there is an existing +/-12volts rails sa board, all that is needed are 2 isolating resistor and 2 bypass caps to supply one 4558 IC......up to 100 ohms can be used for the isolation resistors and about 0.22 mylar bypass caps.......
next time i will try to replace the 6H23 tubes with the 6H30......before i finally remove the tubes from this amp.... ;D
Idle Hands ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 17, 2011 at 07:08 PM
.....hehehe...wala lang...walang magawa..... :D :D :D
come to think of it, sobrang sulit na para sa iyo yan amp na yan... may napapakinggan ka na may napaglalaruan ka pa diba? :D :D :D
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 19, 2011 at 10:13 PM
oo nga.....tinanggal ko na yung mga tubes...hindi na yon babalik pa sa ampli ko......so all SS na yung SAKURA... :D
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/tube008.jpg)
susmaryosep wala na naiwan na tubo! ;D
Post by: LETOR on Jan 23, 2011 at 04:37 PM
By the way sir TonyT, yung sub-out ng amp variable ba ang output nya na pag inadjust mo ang volume control nang amp adjust din level nya? Otherwise kung full-range and fixed ang output sa sub-out, pag kinabitan mo ng powered subwoofer paulit-ulit kang a-adjust volume level control ng subwoofer pag ni lower or pinataas mo ang volume ng amplifier....hustle di ba?
thanks for any info...
Post by: stockHT on Jan 28, 2011 at 01:16 AM
and saan pwede maka score...
or baka merong nagbebenta ng 2nd hand !
Post by: wengkapre on Jan 28, 2011 at 10:48 AM
sa deeco me nakita ako....dito meron 3k ang benta......search mo lang...
Sir tony, same lang po kaya ng components yung Lzban at sakura?
Post by: markcrenz on Jan 28, 2011 at 12:50 PM
oo nga.....tinanggal ko na yung mga tubes...hindi na yon babalik pa sa ampli ko......so all SS na yung SAKURA... :Dmaster tony OT ka na, tube thread 'to! ;D ;D ;D
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/tube008.jpg)
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 28, 2011 at 12:50 PM
if they look the same, they must have the same internals.... ;D
and they all come from the same assembly house, just rebadged :)
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 28, 2011 at 12:51 PM
master tony OT ka na, tube thread 'to! ;D ;D ;D
Tubeless na ang tawag sa amp ni Tony... ;D ;D ;D
Post by: wengkapre on Jan 28, 2011 at 12:56 PM
if they look the same, they must have the same internals.... ;D
and they all come from the same assembly house, just rebadged :)
Kasi, I don't just a book by it's cover, but this time, there's always an exemption to the rule, hehehe, pwede! 8)
Tubeless na ang tawag sa amp ni Tony... ;D ;D ;D
Sexxxxy ;)
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 28, 2011 at 01:15 PM
Kasi, I don't just a book by it's cover, but this time, there's always an exemption to the rule, hehehe, pwede! 8)
Sexxxxy ;)
Tama ka sir, don't judge a book if you are not a judge. ;D Pero kahit naman sa Audio Space, ASL, Primaluna nangyayari yan, and believe me, hindi lang sa cover, ako mismo nabuksan ko na side by side. Wala naman masama, basta maganda tumunog diba sir?
Heto isang example... Grant Fidelity B-283 Tube Processor...
(http://grantfidelity.com/site/files/images/B-283top_0.preview.jpg)
Ito naman ay Yaqin CD2 Tube Buffer...
(http://hi-end.on9mart.com/products/amplifiers/other_amp/AO-YQ-BUFFER-2bkbk/THA06-photo_03.JPG)
:)
Post by: wengkapre on Jan 28, 2011 at 03:16 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 28, 2011 at 03:36 PM
Oo nga Sir Jojo :o sino nauna dyan sa dalawa ang naunang lumabas?
Sabay! Hahaha! ;D ;D ;D
Quote
sa tingin ko may cheaper yung Yaqin kasi china made ???
WRONG! ;D ;D ;D
Pareho lang yan made in China sir hahaha! Meron lang silang agreement ng Grant USA to sell "outside" the US. Kaya kung mapapansin mo yun isa 110V and yun isa 220V. Tama ka na mas cheaper yun Yaqin sir, and mas mahal yun isa.
Ang nangyayari kasi halos lahat ng major designers sa China ang punta when it comes to manufacturing, mas mura kasi doon ang labor costs. Food and shelter lang, sagot na ng manufacturer and training at sagot ng government ang puhunan.
Parang yun sa Primaluna, designed in Italy, pero sa China ginawa ang fabrication and assembly. As with any fabrication gig, it is best na magpasobra ka na ng casing, boards, trannies, etc since it is cheaper that way than to correct if any defects should arise. Now, sa sobrang dami ng surplus ito naman mga kapatid natin Chinese binuo pa din nila yun mga sobra then rebadge na lang hehehe... Basta negosyo go go go hehehe...
Yan ang komunista, ginagamit na ang kapitalismo sa mga kapitalista. Kaya yun mga talak ng talak dito sa atin na galit sa kapitalista ang sarap ipadala sa China eh! ;D ;D ;D
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 28, 2011 at 08:04 PM
eyy, dito na lang sa pinas merong komunista..... ;)
mga yuppies na ang karamihan ng mga intsik, nakakabile ng mga mamahaling kotse......
yung gobyerno nila, natuto na,.................pero diktadurya pa rin at one party system.......hindi na nila kailanganng manggiyera........
hay naku, as ussual kulelat pa rin tayo...... :'(
oo nga, ang bibilis pa nila sa production, less kasi ang reklamo. :D
kahit maliit lang ang kita laban pa din, profit by volume na lang. at least malaki ang market shares pag ganun...
Tony, yun simpleng rubber shoes sa marikina/laguna nasa Php230 ang puhunan, yun galing ng China ang street price sa Divisoria Php180 :o
paano kaya nila nagawa yun? baka kasi yan ang solusyon sa problema natin sa Pinas... ;D ;D ;D
Post by: wengkapre on Jan 29, 2011 at 08:26 AM
nakita ko na sya sa market place=5.5k. nasubukan nyo na po ito Sir tony? o mas praktikal sakura tubeamp? aside sa price syempre, ano po pros & cons nya vs. sakura?
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 29, 2011 at 11:56 AM
Post by: wengkapre on Jan 30, 2011 at 08:24 AM
cdp > tube buffer > receiver > speakers
yung receiver po ba pwede kahit 5.1-7.1 avr?
Sir jojo, di po ba nagawa ka ng buffer(tube or ss)? papm po magkano :)
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 30, 2011 at 08:07 PM
In line tube buffer nga po. pakorek po kung tama config ko:
cdp > tube buffer > receiver > speakers
yung receiver po ba pwede kahit 5.1-7.1 avr?
Sir jojo, di po ba nagawa ka ng buffer(tube or ss)? papm po magkano :)
Tama yan sir. Yup pwede naman yan 5.1 or 7.1, kadalasan naman sa mga receiver meron 2.1 selection para pag mag pure audio ka lang.
Mura na yan sir 5.5K, parallel cathode followers lang kasi config kaya matipid sa piyesa, yun sa akin nasa 2.2K yun ss, yun tube using nos 5670w nasa 8K yata.
Post by: wengkapre on Jan 31, 2011 at 08:03 AM
Tama yan sir. Yup pwede naman yan 5.1 or 7.1, kadalasan naman sa mga receiver meron 2.1 selection para pag mag pure audio ka lang.
Mura na yan sir 5.5K, parallel cathode followers lang kasi config kaya matipid sa piyesa, yun sa akin nasa 2.2K yun ss, yun tube using nos 5670w nasa 8K yata.
pa-audition creations mo Sir Jojo, papm po papunta sa place nyo, magkalugar lang po tayo sa Val, near Fatima church lang po ako :D
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 31, 2011 at 08:10 AM
pa-audition creations mo Sir Jojo, papm po papunta sa place nyo, magkalugar lang po tayo sa Val, near Fatima church lang po ako :D
hahaha asus neighbor lang pala kita! Marulas lang ako sir ;D
ok lang mga end of this week or next week? para habang test ako ng BabyG masubukan mo buffer, yun receiver kasi nakakabit ngayon katamad lang mag reconnect ng pang audio. :D
Post by: wengkapre on Jan 31, 2011 at 08:24 AM
hahaha asus neighbor lang pala kita! Marulas lang ako sir ;D
ok lang mga end of this week or next week? para habang test ako ng BabyG masubukan mo buffer, yun receiver kasi nakakabit ngayon katamad lang mag reconnect ng pang audio. :D
lakad na lang ako papunta sa inyo para exercise sa weekend, mas ayus Sir Jojo kasi gusto ko din marinig talaga yung BabyG int amp mo, weekends ayus na ayus sir, inform mo lang ako pag pwede na ;)
Mods: Sorry for the OT mga bossing
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 31, 2011 at 09:08 AM
lakad na lang ako papunat sa inyo para exercise sa weekend, mas ayus Sir Jojo kasi gusto ko din marinig talaga yung BabyG int amp mo, weekends ayus na ayus sir, inform mo lang ako pag pwede na ;)
okidok sir, wag naman maglakad baka masobrahan hehehe... sige po PM kita sir at sobrang OT na tayo dito sa Sakura thread. ;D
Post by: George SJ on Feb 04, 2011 at 10:28 PM
Post by: wengkapre on Feb 05, 2011 at 11:44 AM
gudpm, mga sir, any suugestions for a 3 way speaker system for sakura AV-200T?
parang mas maganda ata result pag full range speaker like fostex or audio nirvana ang gagamitin w/ sakura Sir?
Post by: drelyn0823 on Feb 24, 2011 at 09:10 AM
1. What is the average lifespan of those tubes before it get busted?
2. Is there a commercially readily availabe tubes for replacement?
3. In replacing those tubes do i need a technician or parang nagtatangal-kabit ng speaker wires in replacing a busted tubes?
4. Anong power consumption nito?
I have an existing HT & Audio set up gusto ko lang subukan pano tumunog tube amp mura kasi at wala akong budget to buy a real tube amp? TIA
Post by: drelyn0823 on Feb 26, 2011 at 09:57 AM
BTW how much kaya price range of those tubes?
Post by: BigBert-2 on Feb 26, 2011 at 12:45 PM
;D thanks sir tony for the info! ok ng subukan just to feed my curiosity and aesthetics wise gwapo tong av200t for it`s price, just starting out this hobby maybe someday i could buy a pricey real tube amp. ;D
BTW how much kaya price range of those tubes?
Depende sa tubes bro ? usually ang mahal eh yong kung tawagin eh NOS tubes. mapa preamp, output o rectifier yan kasi medyo mahirap hanapin. Maganda din naman yong mga new production tubes. Para sa AV200T mo, try mo call A-Audio kasi meron ata siyang tubes para diyan. ;)
Post by: oweidah on Feb 26, 2011 at 03:44 PM
hi bros
i have a 200t which i have used for less than 30 hours total then boxed it
after some time in storage, i used it again but after an hour or so of playing a cd theres a loud "grounded" sound which then disappears
brought it to raon but the tech didnt find anything wrong with it
listened again. same loud "grounded" sound midway of a cd. ano kaya problema?
tia for the help ;)
kung may iba source ka (tuner), try mo din para ma-isolate talaga problema.
Post by: warmaster on Mar 12, 2011 at 05:25 PM
Post by: warmaster on Mar 12, 2011 at 06:50 PM
3995 sa deeco, pero meron dito nagbebenta 3000 lang....look ka lang sa buy and sell hardware....
ayt thanks sir tony
Post by: Wildfire™ on Mar 19, 2011 at 07:08 PM
Post by: George SJ on Mar 20, 2011 at 02:39 AM
Correct also sa sinabi ng isa natin member na from 30-40 watts lang sya. hybrid amp. hindi talaga na maximize ung lakas ng tubes. And in terms of A-Audio or si sir anthony ang may stock ng tubes, (correct me if im wrong) si sir anthony po ay pwede mag-modify ng buong sukura tube amp. nag-tanong na rin ako sa kanya, and sabi nya, mga 20 percent ang pwedeng i-ganda pa ng sound sa mga modifications na gagawin nya.
For 3 months of break-in, ung pang third month makikita nyo ang difference. As in! But try to have a decent BS speakers. I jas bought my D1 speakers last March 12 kay sir anthony, you know what? it really performs well. malalim ung bass, the mid-range and tweeter, perfect! timplado. i placed the volume at 7 o'clock for i week then 8 o'clock in this second week. With my estimation. Sakur can drive speakers from 30 to 100 watts. dont ever use it in a much higher watts coz it will only disappoint you.
ung isang question naman about more than one inputs. its already my 3rd day using Sakura tube amp with my turntable and cd player. I jas realized if both the cd player and the turntable is playing, there's a little hum. example: im playing my turntable in the cd slot of sakura, so before you switch the sakura selector to dvd ( which is playing an audio cd) you will lower the volume di ba? so ginawa ko yun until its off. i can still hear a song humming at the speakers before i turn the selector to dvd from which my cd player was hook.
hindi ko rin malaman kung bakit may feedback na ganun. kung talagang magaling din ang gawa ng Chinese, sana nakita nila ung dilemma nun.
Post by: Wildfire™ on Mar 20, 2011 at 08:38 AM
Post by: George SJ on Mar 20, 2011 at 04:06 PM
Post by: drelyn0823 on Mar 21, 2011 at 11:48 AM
Very well said sir tonyT...sir MajorKonig, saan mo pala nabili yung av200t na 3,500.Any info sir, pangalan ng store, or tel. no? Planning to buy one. TIA.
Post by: supermanster on May 16, 2011 at 09:05 AM
PLano ko bumili ng Kumyoung karaoke tapos kakabit ko dito sa sakura then speakers. Pa advice naman po. Thanks
Post by: wengkapre on May 16, 2011 at 09:24 AM
Inquiry lang po mga master, ppwede po bang gamiting itong Sakura Av200T as a karaoke amp?
PLano ko bumili ng Kumyoung karaoke tapos kakabit ko dito sa sakura then speakers. Pa advice naman po. Thanks
imo, hindi sya amp made for karaoke purposes, unang-una low wattage lang sya, around 20watts rms or lower pa ata? 2nd wala syang microphone in. merong konzert 502 na for sale sa market place, yun pwedeng pwede pangkaraoke brader.
Post by: oweidah on May 16, 2011 at 09:33 AM
Post by: wengkapre on May 16, 2011 at 09:39 AM
sirs, tama ba ang title ng thread? tube amp nga ba ang sakura av200t? para sa kaalaman ng mga newbies like me thanks po
ngek, kaw pa Sir Rene ::)
Post by: oweidah on May 16, 2011 at 12:21 PM
solid state amp ito na nilagyan ng tubo..... ;D
i wouldn't even call this a hybrid, walang kinalaman yung 6H23 sa power amp section, ginamit syang buffer circuit....
thanks, o ayan mga newbies...hindi de-tubo yan!
ngek, kaw pa Sir Rene ::)
;D ;D ;D
Post by: supermanster on May 16, 2011 at 02:33 PM
pwede yang balak mo, lalo na kung meron ka ng av200, pero kung wala pa at bibili pa lang, yung electown na 502, P2,950 sa deeco mdron ng mic input pang karaoke...
Salamat po sa mga sagot mga masters. Actually kabibili ko lang po kahapon kay Sir Anthony ng modified Sakuras, kasabay ng D1 at Videoke speakers. Plano ko nga din talaga bumili ng Konzert502a amp dedicateds sa karaoke kaya lang baka sakaling umubra din itong sakura na nabili ko since amp din naman sya. Anu po kaya ang magiging disadvantage nito kung sakaling gamitin ko siya as Videoke Amp? madali kaya sya masira kumpara sa 502a?
Post by: George SJ on May 20, 2011 at 01:01 AM
Salamat po sa mga sagot mga masters. Actually kabibili ko lang po kahapon kay Sir Anthony ng modified Sakuras, kasabay ng D1 at Videoke speakers. Plano ko nga din talaga bumili ng Konzert502a amp dedicateds sa karaoke kaya lang baka sakaling umubra din itong sakura na nabili ko since amp din naman sya. Anu po kaya ang magiging disadvantage nito kung sakaling gamitin ko siya as Videoke Amp? madali kaya sya masira kumpara sa 502a?
supermanster,
pwede yan gamitin bilang amplifier, pero dapat sa gagamitin mong dvd/videoke player ang microphone input.
ganyan ang ginawa ko. tapos i-hook mo ung videoke speakers that you bought from anthony. tapos sa audio settings ng dvd player mo ikaw mag-adjust ng echo, equalizer, etc. until you appreciate the sound quality...
Post by: cm8 on Jul 04, 2011 at 07:32 PM
Would anybody know if this sakura is bridgeable? Has anybody tried to bridge this amp?
Thanks in advance.
cmagalona
Post by: George SJ on Dec 04, 2011 at 06:32 PM
Post by: jay2 on Dec 07, 2011 at 07:10 AM
sir tony yung av-200t ko bakit yung isa channel mas mahina ang tunog kaysa sa right channel? I have tested it only once a few months back then naitago ko na ok naman sya nun then pinaandar ko sya kagabi nung umpisa walang left channel pero pagnilakasan ko volume nagkakatunog naman mahina nga lang. Binaligtad ko na rin ang input baka kako yung cd player pero ganun pa din.
Post by: Schrodinger's cat on Dec 07, 2011 at 11:11 AM
Iba pa ba yung 6h23 sa 6h32?
Thanks sir :)
Post by: George SJ on Dec 07, 2011 at 09:36 PM
possible replacements for those peanut tubes:
6922, 6DJ8, 7DJ8, 6BQ7, 6BK7, 6H23, ECC88, etc.
to avoid the tubes getting busted as in the case of MajorKonig, the unterminated pins should be soldered to the corresponding pins of the active half...
filaments are in parallel so there is no way to turn off the filament of the unused half, meanwhile cathode poisoning is a real possibility as what happened to George's amp.
of course simply replacing the busted tube is easy.....
Post by: cm8 on Jan 05, 2012 at 02:06 AM
sir tony yung av-200t ko bakit yung isa channel mas mahina ang tunog kaysa sa right channel? I have tested it only once a few months back then naitago ko na ok naman sya nun then pinaandar ko sya kagabi nung umpisa walang left channel pero pagnilakasan ko volume nagkakatunog naman mahina nga lang. Binaligtad ko na rin ang input baka kako yung cd player pero ganun pa din.
Hi Sirs,
I'm having the same problem as stated by sir jun2 above. Is there anything that can be done to fix this and is it worth the trouble of having it fixed at all? I have been using my unit sparingly and usually at low volumes, I'm wondering what could have caused this.
Sir TonyT, do you still do modifications of this amp? Been reading back on this thread and I found out that you do some mods on this amp. I wonder if I can bring my amp to you for repair of said problem and modification too?
Thanks.
Post by: cm8 on Jan 05, 2012 at 11:26 AM
ok you can bring your Sakura's to my place for some check-ups...
Thanks Sir TonyT. Will PM you when I have the time to bring it to your place.
Post by: tein on Feb 01, 2012 at 09:54 PM
Post by: princess salina on Feb 04, 2012 at 08:07 AM
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Feb 04, 2012 at 11:01 AM
this is not strictly a tube amp, but rather a "tubed" amp.....the speakers are driven by 25watter solid state amp, jojoD's baby G has more power....
do not pay too much attention on the tubes, eye candy lang ang mga yan.....
Parang buffer lang siya?
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 04, 2012 at 11:42 AM
yes, cathode follower yung 6N2 tube,
ok ito, parang Joe Rasmussen ang principle..
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supply naman ng 4558 ic yung 2 5z4 tubes...
ito naman lame hahaha... magkaroon lang ng gamit yun mga rectifier tube. sabi nga sa kabila, "grave misappropriation of parts..." ;D ;D ;D
EDIT: pero sabi nga nila, walang basagan ng trip - yan ang trip nun designer eh so let it be... :D :D :D baka naka-inom ng Tsing Tao beer habang nag design... peace! ;D ;D ;D
Post by: princess salina on Feb 04, 2012 at 12:07 PM
this is not strictly a tube amp, but rather a "tubed" amp.....the speakers are driven by 25watter solid state amp, jojoD's baby G has more power....
do not pay too much attention on the tubes, eye candy lang ang mga yan.....
thanks sir TonyT
Post by: docrob on Mar 13, 2012 at 11:51 AM
"that is why this amp is a DIY'ers friend....lot to tweak, lot's of possibilities, limited only by one's imagination"
and he has enumerated the lists to be modified also, so pwedeng project sa future
he also said:
"the Sakura is a low cost amp that delivers the goods.. ...i bought the amp because of its novelty and the fact that it gave me more value supplying me with spare tubes.....
spending more money than what is cost you to acquire the amp is not a wise imho......"
talagang malaking bagay ung price nya na affordable talaga
sir monreq and sir Jojo and others have provided good insights as well
After reading what has been said, discussed and discovered (both good and bad) about this amp would you still recommmend it? Is it good enough in stock form? if ever kasi i would like to enjoy and familiarize myself with it's sonic qualities first before modifying it?
hoping for some responses
thanks
Post by: JojoD818 on Mar 13, 2012 at 11:57 AM
I think you'll be able to test it in some shops in Raon area.
Good luck sir!
:)
Post by: tein on Mar 13, 2012 at 01:35 PM
Sakura AV-200T powering the Duevel Planets :D
(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l258/Pure_1600/401130_327845967257184_281866661855115_878302_1979010952_n.jpg)
Post by: docrob on Mar 13, 2012 at 05:01 PM
sir Jojo you're right, why buy it if you don't like pinamigay mo na rin ung pera mo kung ganun. medyo mahirap lang magtesting sa Raon at maingay ung place pero kailangan before buying
sir tein, nice gear you have there. me shop ka ba? available ung amp? thanks
sir Tony, the "cheap" price is really it's selling point kaya nagkainterest ako. thanks for the tips vet helpful talaga
hope to hear from the others, too
Post by: docrob on Mar 14, 2012 at 06:12 AM
Post by: markcrenz on Mar 14, 2012 at 07:12 AM
sir Tony, what do you think should be done to the ecaps you mentioned? thanksi'm guessing replace with poly caps. or install poly caps parallel to the ecaps, value about 1/100th of the ecap.
Post by: docrob on Mar 15, 2012 at 09:42 PM
i'll start with the basic mods muna siguro after familiarizing with the characterof the amp, then ask na lang for help pag mahirapan ako
Post by: CMac on Mar 16, 2012 at 09:56 AM
this is not strictly a tube amp, but rather a "tubed" amp.....the speakers are driven by 25watter solid state amp, jojoD's baby G has more power....
do not pay too much attention on the tubes, eye candy lang ang mga yan.....
tony, i'm intrigued as to what the popular dared mp5 uses the tubes for. pardon the ot.
Post by: markcrenz on Mar 16, 2012 at 10:29 AM
tony, i'm intrigued as to what the popular dared mp5 uses the tubes for. pardon the ot.+1
Post by: JojoD818 on Mar 16, 2012 at 10:32 AM
Post by: markcrenz on Mar 16, 2012 at 10:36 AM
edit:
read somewhere:
DARED MP-5: The most popular DARED amp.. Hybrid design
A stylish tube hybrid amp
Tube pre with MOSFET output with per channel
Post by: CMac on Mar 16, 2012 at 10:38 AM
not tony but the MP5 uses the tubes as cathode follower. personally verified this.
yes, cathode follower yung 6N2 tube, supply naman ng 4558 ic yung 2 5z4 tubes...
given na naman na tony=jojo ;D
cathode follower is like a tube buffer right?
so parang same lang config nila ng sakura?
Post by: docrob on Mar 16, 2012 at 11:29 AM
given na naman na tony=jojo ;D
cathode follower is like a tube buffer right?
so parang same lang config nila ng sakura?
+ 1, so same sila na Cathode Follower
wow, this is interesting
Post by: JojoD818 on Mar 16, 2012 at 12:08 PM
given na naman na tony=jojo ;D
naku hindi sir, malapit na mag super sayan level up si tony eh...
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cathode follower is like a tube buffer right?
so parang same lang config nila ng sakura?
yes and yes sir.
which is also the same (more or less) as Joe Rasmussen's hybrid gainclone.
Post by: JojoD818 on Mar 16, 2012 at 12:12 PM
so does that mean it's not a tube amp in the true sense? ???
it never was. ;)
Post by: CMac on Mar 16, 2012 at 12:32 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Mar 16, 2012 at 07:43 PM
Post by: docrob on Mar 20, 2012 at 05:26 PM
the power switch of his sakura AV-200 amp got stuck so it's always ON and cannot be turned OFF
need to unlug the cord to turn it OFF
anybody know if the switch can be repaired or if there's an available part sa electronics shop if it needs to be replaced? tinanung nya ung binilhan nyang store di magawa eh at wala raw nung switch
thanks
Post by: JojoD818 on Mar 20, 2012 at 05:49 PM
baka tinatamad lang yun store na binilan ng friend mo.
Post by: docrob on Mar 20, 2012 at 06:38 PM
sir Jojo, me alam kau store sa Raon pwede mabilhan nung push button switch pang CRT TVs?
sir Tony, nakabaon po ung switch di nga po gumagalaw kahit pindot-pindotin namin. isip ko nga buksan ung ilalim para silipin ung switch kaso di ko naman alam gagawin pag nakita ko na, any ideas po?
pasyalan ko sya ulit pag nalibre ng oras, sa ngaun di nya ginagamit at baka lalo raw masira
Post by: fantom_mayonaise on Mar 20, 2012 at 11:25 PM
Are you going to buy a unit in the near future? Pasabay? ;D . The unit at the marketplace was sold outside PDVD. Bummer, I was next in line na...
The av-200T looks good for sourcing parts for DIY projects.
Post by: docrob on Mar 20, 2012 at 11:37 PM
my friend is offering me his sakura with a stucked-up power switch, tingnan ko ulit muna kaya rin ako nagtatanung dito ;D
Post by: fantom_mayonaise on Mar 20, 2012 at 11:49 PM
Post by: allanxtreme on Mar 21, 2012 at 03:06 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Mar 21, 2012 at 03:50 PM
Good day mga Sirs, help naman po sa SV-200T ko. Pag-on mo parang basag ang tunig na mahina. pag tumatagal eh lumalakas, pero garalgal ang tunog. sa tube na ba to o sa unit na talaga. TIA!
both channels? try swapping the tubes first.
Post by: JojoD818 on Mar 21, 2012 at 03:51 PM
hi sir, i already went to Jem's at Raon. they have one with a tag price of 4.1K pero me tawad pa hanggang 3.8K
my friend is offering me his sakura with a stucked-up power switch, tingnan ko ulit muna kaya rin ako nagtatanung dito ;D
malayo po sa bituka yan sir, ang masama yun ayaw mag power on. :)
Post by: docrob on Mar 21, 2012 at 07:15 PM
pero problema nung pinuntahan ko kanina and test namin ayaw mag power On :(
though he swears tumunog daw dati, hirap pag kwento lang kasi buti na ung nakita ko na hindi nga tumunog
so i opened it up, wala naman akong nakitang sunog na parts, checked the fuse ok naman, proceeded to the power switch di rin sunog so unscrewed it and paghila ko nung knob wala na pala ung spring sa loob nung switch
i'll try to find a switch sa raon within the week sana meron
baka meron din kayung alam na shops na nagbebenta nito:
me markings na
SW-2 TV5
8A/129A 250V
thanks uli masters
Post by: fantom_mayonaise on Mar 21, 2012 at 10:27 PM
;D ;D ;D
Post by: docrob on Mar 22, 2012 at 02:54 AM
buti pinauwi nya sakin so gawinko yun just to find out if it's working
found a switch in ebay, store is located in HK but doesn't ship to RP..........bummer
sana meron dito
Post by: JojoD818 on Mar 22, 2012 at 06:30 AM
Post by: markcrenz on Mar 22, 2012 at 08:13 AM
(http://www.surplus-electronics-sales.com/Zencart/images/products/280-1043%20Push%20Button%20Switch,%20Micro,%20DPDT.gif)(http://www.gd-wholesale.com/userimg/58/2818i1/push-button-switch-740.jpg)
Post by: allanxtreme on Mar 22, 2012 at 08:59 AM
Post by: docrob on Mar 22, 2012 at 02:16 PM
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/714.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/715.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/717.jpg)
then nakita ko ito sa net same design but lower value of only 5A kaso they won't ship to the Philippines:
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/SPSTswitch.jpg)
BTW, eto pic nung power amp board with large heatsink parang iba sa loob ng Sakura AV200T iba kasi value nung 2 big caps? or same lang din? ???
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/719.jpg)
comments and suggestions please?
salamat po ;D
Post by: docrob on Mar 22, 2012 at 02:54 PM
pa PM na lang po nung address nyo sir
BTW sir, you posted this before:
power supply caps for the SS output stage are rated at 35vdc.....so that rails could be anywhere from +/-25 to +/- 30 volts, therefore this amp can deliver about 48 watts average per channel into an 8 ohm load...per my estimates....besides, the power traffo seem just about right for a 100watt amp...
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/SakuraAV-200Tpowersupply.jpg)
magkaiba po layout and value nung 2 big caps (50VDC 3300uF) dun sa AV-400 amp, me significant difference po ba compared sa Sakura?
Thanks again
Post by: docrob on Mar 22, 2012 at 09:40 PM
will be in touch with you sir Tony
Thanks
Post by: JojoD818 on Mar 22, 2012 at 09:41 PM
Post by: markcrenz on Mar 22, 2012 at 10:11 PM
u can get the switch from a discarded AT computer psu, matitibay ang mga switch noon...or from discarded old dvd players....i have some of those i can even give you for free it you can come to the house to pick it up...master T namimigay ka rin ba ng tubes? ;D
Post by: docrob on Mar 22, 2012 at 11:19 PM
Very common yan switch na yan sir, dami ko din dito niyan dati... :D
common pala locally, atleast me mapagkukunan
salamat sir Jojo
Post by: allanxtreme on Mar 23, 2012 at 10:44 AM
Post by: JojoD818 on Mar 23, 2012 at 11:06 AM
Post by: docrob on Mar 24, 2012 at 07:13 PM
good news: i shorted the switch to check if there's power and it has. the tubes also glowed so i immediately hooked it up to a generic dvd player and old Pioneer 3-way component speakers and boy it sounded good in my ears. sobra ngiti ko dahil gumagana at maganda tunog for me ;D
bad news: hindi balanced ang music na lumalabas sa 2 speakers, malakas at buo sa right speaker while sobrang hina at hindi buo sa left. tried swapping the tubes but still the same result ???
pareho kami ni sir allanxtreme ng problema :'(
but that didn't stop me from enjoying the amp, ole blue eyes Frank Sinatra was singing in front of me and he sounded good and real to me
i know with the masters here in PDVD, particularly sirs Tony and Jojo who are always in this thread, the problems of this amp will be resolved and i can't wait to have i up and running in tip-top condition
sir Tony, anyday next week i'll visit you and have you look at my amp para maayus na sya. i'll notify you in advance. thanks sir
Post by: raider125jeigh on Mar 24, 2012 at 07:21 PM
how much naman ung mga tube kung need ireplace?
Post by: docrob on Mar 24, 2012 at 07:35 PM
ok. we'll see, pwede ako mga bangdang friday next week....
salamat sir Tony, see you next week (friday)
sir raider, meron benta sa selling ng modded sakura 3k lang
Post by: raider125jeigh on Mar 24, 2012 at 09:34 PM
salamat sir Tony, see you next week (friday)naka next in line ako hehehe
sir raider, meron benta sa selling ng modded sakura 3k lang
gusto ko lang maexperience ung tube amp
is this better with the old amp available sa pier?
anu magandang speaker ang babagay dito?
Post by: docrob on Mar 24, 2012 at 09:53 PM
Post by: docrob on Mar 29, 2012 at 05:46 PM
i was able to source the 2pin push button switch at raon, kailangan lang sabihin na pang TV P45 at Deeco
bought also an electra contact cleaner baka kasi ung left channel ng volume potentiometer eh madumi lang kaya mahina at pangit pero no luck ganun pa rin. ung right channel konting pihit lang ang lakas agad at buo
time to bring it to sir Tony for check-up tomorrow afternoon
Post by: 9ume6 on Apr 03, 2012 at 06:59 PM
this sakura amp that dacrob brought me is an entirely different sakura altogether.....
1. input selector is digital type...
2. the 2 x 5Z4, big tubes do not serve any purpose...
3. the 2 small tubes, both sections are now connected.....
4. i counted 14 ecaps in the preamp board, another 2 in the input, and 2 in the power amp boards..
the good news is that rails are now higher at about 32volts so that about 45watts per channel is possible, compared to the other's 25watts of power.....
it looks like those amps brought in by chino would be a better buy.....
sir TonyT, Is this the AV400 or AV200?
Post by: 9ume6 on Apr 03, 2012 at 07:07 PM
i saw an AV400 marking on one of the boards...
tnx sir!
Post by: docrob on Apr 07, 2012 at 07:58 PM
eksayted na ako, yahoo!
Post by: docrob on Apr 10, 2012 at 01:46 PM
spent the whole day listening to it play beautiful music (to my ears), parang nasa harap ko sina jacintha, jheena, susan, sitti, frank etc naiyak ako....................................................................sa tuwa at mangha
as was mentioned by sir Tony, the AV-400 has a different design than the Sakura AV-200T though they share the same casing. also, the AV-400 uses 6N1P tubes compared to the 6H2 in the Sakura
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/SakuraAV-200Tpowersupply.jpg)
Sakura AV-200T
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/719.jpg)
AV-400
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/010.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/011.jpg)
14-pin IC in AV-400 found in multiplexers instead of 8-pin IC 4558
before pics (stock)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/006.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/019.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/021.jpg)
with 4558 ICs
after mods:
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/059.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/061.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/062.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/063.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/067.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/069.jpg)
with 5532 ICs and socket
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/054.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/055.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/057.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/058.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/072.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/073.jpg)
i believe sir Tony would explain his mods
maraming salamat sir ;D
Post by: docrob on Apr 10, 2012 at 06:01 PM
no problem leaving the two 5Z4 rectifiers in there even if for show only, maganda sya tingnan pag dim lights haha very soothing "eye candy"
very satisfied indeed with this bang for the buck amp
Post by: roygee on Jun 02, 2012 at 07:12 AM
when i saw the sakura av-200t sa showroom ng sakura/crown.. natuwa ako. for its price, looks, and sound (the sales lady paired it with crown speakers)... binabalak sanang bumuo ng simpleng 2.1 para sa masters bedroom ko. what "budget" speakers can you reco na babagay dito.. wharfdales, polk tsi?
i tried reading the whole thread but mostly about modifications siya. i have no plans of modifying it. any reco's would greatly be appreciated. salamat!
Post by: docrob on Jun 02, 2012 at 07:31 PM
i'm using an old car speaker which i mounted in a bookshelf, it's an a/d/s 300i plate speaker 5-100watts 90dB sensitivity and boy does it sing
i also tried my vintage Akai SW-35 fullrange TL speaker iba ang labas ng vocals pero i'm reserving this for my vintage tube amp match kasi due to it's high sensitivity
Post by: Amielc on Jul 03, 2012 at 10:49 PM
Post by: joko11 on Jul 04, 2012 at 03:29 AM
wala bang shortcut? ;D
gusto ko bumili pero takot ako sa raon.basta malayo sa edsa i rather die :P
il read the whole thread maybe sa di-uf ko na lang ;)
sir tony,expect for me this month or the next ;D
Post by: docrob on Jul 04, 2012 at 05:45 AM
i had sir Tony do preventive mods as well as light upgrades to mine as you can see in the pics in the last pages and i enjoy using it on a daily basis
Post by: joko11 on Jul 04, 2012 at 06:04 PM
if you are interested in one please choose the AV400 over the Sakura AV-200T, it has higher power around 45watts compared to the 20watts of the AV200 due to higher voltage in the railsthanks.il keep that in mind.no time for backreading as of now.just asking how will i know i get the av400 series and not the 200?
i had sir Tony do preventive mods as well as light upgrades to mine as you can see in the pics in the last pages and i enjoy using it on a daily basis
Post by: robot.sonic on Jul 04, 2012 at 06:14 PM
gusto ko bumili pero takot ako sa raon.basta malayo sa edsa i rather die :P
bakit naman takot ka sa raon bro? ;D madalas ako dyan.
Post by: docrob on Jul 04, 2012 at 06:59 PM
of course ung malalaman mo rin sa markings on both front and back
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/AV-400-1.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/sakuraav200.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/sakav200.jpg)
Sakura AV200
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/072.jpg)
(http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn316/blueyes512/073.jpg)
AV400
iba rin ung sub out nila if you will look closely
puro Sakura ang tinda sa Raon (Jems, Deeco, etc)
not sure kung meron pa si paul aka tein of Sound and Vision sa banawe ng AV400 ask nyo na lang sya
Post by: joko11 on Jul 04, 2012 at 08:17 PM
same ang exterior design ng Sakura AV200T at AV400, difference is ung color dark ang sakura at light naman sa AV400big thanks! il pm tein later.
iba rin ung sub out nila if you will look closely
puro Sakura ang tinda sa Raon (Jems, Deeco, etc)
not sure kung meron pa si paul aka tein of Sound and Vision sa banawe ng AV400 ask nyo na lang sya
Post by: joko11 on Jul 04, 2012 at 08:18 PM
bakit naman takot ka sa raon bro? ;D madalas ako dyan.basta malayo sa edsa naliligaw ako ;D
Post by: George SJ on Jul 07, 2012 at 02:04 AM
Post by: George SJ on Jul 07, 2012 at 02:10 AM
palit ng tube. 2 sa harap. konti lang ang gastos ko at narinig ko ang pagkakaiba sa tunog ng stock...
well, its just me. and even sir tony can attest to that. na-satisfy ako ng pinalitan ng tubes...
Post by: docrob on Jul 07, 2012 at 06:02 PM
it was sir Tony and sir Jojo who dissected the Sakura amp thoroughly which led to it's true identity and unveiling of it's weaknesses and shortcomings which the chinese cleverly hid from the public. sir Tony even gave pointers and tips on how to make it better and simpler and last longer
it just so happened that i got a NOS unit with a defective left channel which i posted here in the hope of someone helping me and fortunately that person was sir Tony. after waiting for his schedule to clear he was kind enough to take a look at my amp and did some preventive work to make it last longer. if you will read the post of sir Tony in this page when he worked on my amp he refrained from doing "modifications" to retain the character of the amp
soon a vintage tube amp will be arriving at my doorstep. i already consulted sir Tony about the things i'm planning to do, i.e, recap, change resistors, fuse, power switch installation etc and in one of our PMs he said one thing that stucked to me - " kung okey naman ang function ng amp mo, then no need to recap and replace resistors. meron bang issues ang amp mo?" he was right, hindi ko pa nga natatry ung amp upgrade na agad nasa isip ko. anyway, it's good to know that if i do find any problems with my new amp sir Tony and the others here would certainly lend a helping hand
Post by: markcrenz on Jul 08, 2012 at 05:51 AM
... mod it immediately then claiming "night and day" difference from the stock ...
i am not a believer in "capacitors and magic chokes".....they are audio voodoo as far as i am concerned....i believe in well-engineered amps..... ;D;D
Post by: Amielc on Jul 08, 2012 at 12:10 PM
Post by: markcrenz on Jul 08, 2012 at 12:44 PM
Sirs ive inquired about the Sakura av200, from the showroom they mentioned that they do not carry the av400 a bit weird coz that was their showroom but don't carry their own brands? But its available from other retailers? From what I read this seems like a good entry level amp, Savin up for it then will dive into the purchasemay showroom na ba ang sakura? saan?
Post by: docrob on Jul 08, 2012 at 01:28 PM
iba kasi ang naglabas ng AV400 at limited quantities lang according to my friend who knows the supplier of the AV400. unfortunately, the last time i talked to him around march or april pa eh out of stock na yung AV400 at yung Lzban AV03 na lang ang meron just like yung benta sa selling
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,165940.0.html
Post by: Wildfire™ on Jul 08, 2012 at 02:23 PM
may showroom na ba ang sakura? saan?
meron dun sa bldg tapat ng robinsons galleria pero ung av200t nila 4500 sa raon 3500 lang
Post by: docrob on Jul 08, 2012 at 05:13 PM
http://sakura.com.ph/pages/Visit-our-Showroom.html
"The difference between professional and amature amp builders is pros use inexpensive parts as possible and develop unique (good) sounding amps. Amatures pick too many expensive parts and end up with less attractive (flat) sounding amps." - Mr Ohshima, former manager of High-End Department of Sansui.
Post by: joko11 on Jul 08, 2012 at 05:33 PM
that's correct, Sakura only carries the AV200-T. Baka mas mura pa sa Raon kung malapit ka duneto ang masakit sa part ko.kaya nag-aalangan ako pumunta ng raon dahil bukod sa zero idea ako sa lugar baka wala rin akong abutan na av400
iba kasi ang naglabas ng AV400 at limited quantities lang according to my friend who knows the supplier of the AV400. unfortunately, the last time i talked to him around march or april pa eh out of stock na yung AV400 at yung Lzban AV03 na lang ang meron just like yung benta sa selling
http://www.flippish.com/happy-endings-erika-padilla/2012/07/01/
Post by: joko11 on Jul 08, 2012 at 11:11 PM
^pagka-alam ko, a certein Chinoxxx a pinoydvd'er brought in those units here so that your best bet would be to buy those from members here also, and i do not think there are many of those...but from what i saw with dacrobs unit, the AV400 is much better that the AV200....yes sir tony as what ive seen and observed base on discussion,i believe that the 200 and 400 series of this sakura have lots of difference most specialy on performance.kaya nga po 400 ang target ko in case may bala na ang pitaka at ready na sumugod sa raon. :D
at maraming salamat sa info tungkol sa ka-pdvd natin.sa kanya pala galing ang mga ito
Post by: Amielc on Jul 09, 2012 at 12:24 AM
Post by: docrob on Jul 09, 2012 at 05:43 PM
Me nakikita pa ako sa Jems (P3500-3800) at Deeco (P4250)
Post by: Amielc on Jul 10, 2012 at 12:35 PM
Post by: docrob on Jul 10, 2012 at 02:29 PM
Jem's Appliance
601 Evangelista Corner Macabulos Streets, Manila
(02) 733 2911
tawagan nyo muna
Post by: DTNS on Jul 21, 2012 at 10:17 AM
kaya napapaisip ako tuloy. ::)
Post by: DTNS on Jul 21, 2012 at 10:47 AM
no...
thanks for the advice. :D I'll go ahead with an avr. ;)
on the side note, I might still consider this for a music only or pc audio setup.
Post by: Wildfire™ on Jul 21, 2012 at 10:53 AM
thanks for the advice. :D I'll go ahead with an avr. ;)
on the side note, I might still consider this for a music only or pc audio setup.
pc audio pwede kaya lang pag active speakers hindi
Post by: DTNS on Jul 21, 2012 at 10:54 AM
pc audio pwede kaya lang pag active speakers hindi
I know. I'll have to use passive bookshelfs then. ;)
Post by: Wildfire™ on Jul 21, 2012 at 11:02 AM
I know. I'll have to use passive bookshelfs then. ;)
yes ang advantage ng av200t may sub pre out ;D
Post by: allan1836 on Aug 08, 2012 at 04:18 PM
Post by: absinth3 on Aug 18, 2012 at 09:16 PM
I do not own this amp. found the pics on the net. it was selling for 3,900 pesos.
just answering sir tony's request for pics. :)
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Post by: markcrenz on Aug 18, 2012 at 09:58 PM
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Post by: absinth3 on Aug 18, 2012 at 10:05 PM
Post by: docrob on Aug 29, 2012 at 05:10 PM
Post by: shellcourt on Sep 05, 2012 at 11:03 PM
I am new here. I want to ask for your opinions. I am planning to use a Sakura AV-200T for the following;
1) Audio for video filre streamer
2) For Turntable (is there a phono out for this unit)
3) Audio for radio/tuner/CD device
I want to know if this is feasible, most especially if it has phono out for my TT.
Thanks!
Post by: markcrenz on Sep 06, 2012 at 08:58 AM
Post by: shellcourt on Sep 07, 2012 at 08:15 AM
this amp won't cut it for your needs. walang phono input at 3 lang line level inputs. saka hindi naman ito totoong tube amp. abang ka na lang ng vintage amp for sale dyan.
Salamat sa replies nyo sirs!Sige, abang abang na lang ako ng vintage amp.
Post by: docrob on Sep 07, 2012 at 03:24 PM
still using it, happy naman sa tunog nya
Post by: shellcourt on Sep 14, 2012 at 12:15 AM
i'm using it with a cheapo TT no problems naman, also with a vintage sony DVD player
still using it, happy naman sa tunog nya
Sir, what kind of TT do you use with the amp? It works well even if the Sakura does not have phono input?
Post by: igopyakobis on Sep 24, 2012 at 12:52 PM
Have just bought SAKURA AV-200T yesterday at Shockwave Marketing in Raon for 3.5K.
With its better sound (nearly tube sound?) compared to my AVR during music play, it's really a bang for the buck.
My teen daughter says 'Parang Live Band ang sound..'
While my wife say's 'Ang linis ng tunog..' Whoa! parang WAF (wife approval factor na)
Post by: odyopayl on Sep 24, 2012 at 09:43 PM
Good day to all...Newbie here
Have just bought SAKURA AV-200T yesterday at Shockwave Marketing in Raon for 3.5K.
With its better sound (nearly tube sound?) compared to my AVR during music play, it's really a bang for the buck.
My teen daughter says 'Parang Live Band ang sound..'
While my wife say's 'Ang linis ng tunog..' Whoa! parang WAF (wife approval factor na)
Is this Hybrid Amp, the specs says 2 x 200watts output??? Is this rms value?
Congrats Bro! You're only just begun......
http://sakura.com.ph/products/AV%252d200T.html (http://sakura.com.ph/products/AV%252d200T.html)
Post by: odyopayl on Sep 25, 2012 at 02:48 PM
pmpo....... ;D
??? ???
Post by: JojoD818 on Sep 25, 2012 at 03:17 PM
what can you expect from rails of +/-25volts? ;D ;D ;D
power in equals power out. can't do magic numbers. ;D ;D ;D
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the point here is that, it is not the watts that count....... ;) if the owner is happy with his sakura, then that is it.... ;D
parang si JPE lang... :D
Post by: vhinx on Sep 25, 2012 at 04:29 PM
what can you expect from rails of +/-25volts? ;D ;D ;D
the point here is that, it is not the watts that count....... ;) if the owner is happy with his sakura, then that is it.... ;D
So it means po nasa 30-40wrms lang yun... ;)
Post by: JojoD818 on Sep 25, 2012 at 05:06 PM
gusto ko happy ka.... ;D ;D ;D
o diba... ;D ;D ;D
Post by: rochie on Sep 25, 2012 at 05:14 PM
Post by: odyopayl on Sep 25, 2012 at 06:37 PM
gusto ko happy ka.... ;D ;D ;DEspecially kung merong WAF support!!!
This is the first happiness then looking for more!!! Don't attend Sessions mapapariwara ka ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Post by: remington on Oct 26, 2012 at 09:36 AM
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[/quote]Recently bought this amp, it sounds fine but somehow kung mapapaganda pa sana SQ nya. Anybody knows who can tweak this and magkano kaya ang magagastos kung sakali? Help would be gladly appreciated. TIA braders
Post by: remington on Oct 26, 2012 at 12:13 PM
under warranty pa?Copy sir sayang din ang warranty baka biglang bumigay he he!Thanks for the advice. How about changing the tubes for a better one? Ano po kaya pwede ipalit na mas maganda at saan pwede bumili? I noticed kasi yesterday when I played it for about 5 hours nag bago ang SQ nya.
the selling point of this amp is low cost....unless me issues ka, i wouldn't recommend to touch it....after a year mabe pag expired na yung warranty....
Post by: remington on Oct 31, 2012 at 09:07 AM
i am not a believer in tube rolling, you might spend for nothing.....the amps that benefit from rolling are those that were poorly designed to begin with....wala sa pana, nasa indyan yan.....;DA ok, so wala din pala epekto tube rolling dito. Thanks master for the answers. More power to you!
Post by: ponky26 on Oct 31, 2012 at 12:30 PM
im looking to buy another amp, cdp for our living room. ano po kaya magandang match na speakers dito?
Post by: DTNS on Oct 31, 2012 at 09:55 PM
just tested this amp earlier sa showroom nila sa ETON bldg (accross galleria along ortigas). ok naman nogtu nya para sakin. and for its price and looks, the wife will approve. ;D
im looking to buy another amp, cdp for our living room. ano po kaya magandang match na speakers dito?
if you want a budget stereo 2.0 setup, go for Polk TSi 100's. they're around 8500 a pair.
Post by: Wildfire™ on Nov 01, 2012 at 10:33 AM
just tested this amp earlier sa showroom nila sa ETON bldg (accross galleria along ortigas). ok naman nogtu nya para sakin. and for its price and looks, the wife will approve. ;D
im looking to buy another amp, cdp for our living room. ano po kaya magandang match na speakers dito?
4500 yata dun sa showroom ng sakura pero sa raon 3500 ;D
Post by: docrob on Nov 01, 2012 at 06:49 PM
Just use it as it is and be contented. And read the the whole thread even if it's long, you'll learn alot about this amp
Post by: dana on Nov 06, 2012 at 09:15 AM
i've been using my AV-400 (higher wattage than the Sakura) for around 6months already, still with the stock tubes. No plans of tube rolling since i'm very happy them and i know that this not really a tube amp, not even a hybrid. But it belts out clean and loud music i have no complaints. Aside from the modifications on the unused pins of the driver tubes and bypass caps that Sir Tony did no other mods or upgrades were done. Very satisfied with it, alternating with a vintage Phonola 6AQ5 tube amp
Just use it as it is and be contented. And read the the whole thread even if it's long, you'll learn alot about this amp
yes, yan ang tamang attitude sa hobby na eto.
basta maganda sa listening ears naten. ok yan.
Post by: igopyakobis on Nov 06, 2012 at 01:22 PM
Post by: docrob on Nov 06, 2012 at 02:44 PM
then ipon at hingi ka ng favor sa kanila para igawa ka nila ng Proudly Philippine Made ;)
Post by: dana on Nov 07, 2012 at 08:17 AM
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then ipon at hingi ka ng favor sa kanila para igawa ka nila ng Proudly Philippine Made ;)
signatured and limited edition pa
Post by: igopyakobis on Nov 07, 2012 at 08:37 PM
pigil, pigil pa.. kakain ako ng papaya..teka sa seminaryo lang yata iyon...ha ha
Mag eenjoy muna ako dito sa Sakura..poor kids lang po tayo. he he
Post by: tukmol1925 on Nov 11, 2012 at 09:11 AM
Post by: docrob on Nov 11, 2012 at 07:03 PM
signatured and limited edition pa
yes sir, i will be honored to have something (amp, preamp etc) made by one of the masters here at PDVD ;)
to the new members enjoy your stay here. basa lang sa mga threads at huwag mahiya magtanung
Post by: igopyakobis on Nov 13, 2012 at 06:53 AM
Is adding tube buffer after my source prior my AV-200T will add more tubey sound on my set-up? My source is just Platinum DVD/CD/MP3/videoke player.
Post by: igopyakobis on Nov 13, 2012 at 09:23 AM
So my next upgrade should be into pure tube amp. ipon mode....
Post by: docrob on Nov 13, 2012 at 03:55 PM
then backread mo yung mga tube amp project threads dito para maenganyo ka lalo. pag decided ka na contact the masters like sir Tony, edrel and stick, para malaman mo cost. kung marunong ka mag DiY mas makakamura ka pa since pwede ka bentahan ng kit ikaw na lang magbuo ;)
Post by: DTNS on Nov 13, 2012 at 09:12 PM
san ba best place para bilhin ang tube amp na to? ::)
Post by: DTNS on Nov 14, 2012 at 09:43 PM
raon.....
Thanks! :)
Post by: docrob on Nov 15, 2012 at 12:29 AM
Post by: DTNS on Nov 25, 2012 at 09:49 AM
would Wharfedale Diamond 9.1 bookshelf speakers sound good paired with this?
Post by: cHiNo2728 on Nov 25, 2012 at 12:37 PM
Post by: docrob on Nov 25, 2012 at 07:06 PM
But we would suggest you look for the AV400 version instead. It's more powerful and the design is better than the 200
Meron ata si chino parating
Post by: Talim on Mar 19, 2013 at 01:11 PM
Post by: mc03_12 on Mar 19, 2013 at 01:19 PM
napuntahan nyo na po ba yung Showroom ng SAKURA / CROWN dyan sa E-ton bldg Ortigas ave. across Robinson's Galleria?
oo napuntahan ko na un pwede mo i-audition dun ung sakura av-200t
Post by: Talim on Mar 19, 2013 at 01:37 PM
Post by: mc03_12 on Mar 19, 2013 at 02:05 PM
pwede mo ipair yung AV-200T sa crown speaker BF-301 nila. malinis din tumunog.
yes sir yun ang match dun maganda tumunog pag un ang nakakabit.
puntahan mo sir ung ang set up nila bf-301 at av-200t
Post by: stockHT on May 31, 2013 at 12:35 AM
Post by: Gino on Jun 02, 2013 at 12:14 PM
Post by: stockHT on Jun 03, 2013 at 06:21 PM
Si Rene Rivo may binebentang modified Sakura.
sir how much kaya yung modified?
Post by: stockHT on Jun 03, 2013 at 06:22 PM
salamat!
Post by: DTNS on Jun 03, 2013 at 06:27 PM
Post by: Superman on Jun 03, 2013 at 06:37 PM
sir how much kaya yung modified?
P8,500.00
Post by: docrob on Jun 04, 2013 at 10:16 AM
in fact, sir Tony was able to open it up and work on it as can be seen on pages 26-28 of this thread
it used to be my main amp before I got my pair of Quicksilver 8417 monos, I may dispose of it at the right price
Post by: czarsky on Jun 04, 2013 at 08:25 PM
that is what I have, the AV400 and though externally it looks the same as AV200T the internal layout, wiring and component used is different hence the higher wattage rating
in fact, sir Tony was able to open it up and work on it as can be seen on pages 26-28 of this thread
it used to be my main amp before I got my pair of Quicksilver 8417 monos, I may dispose of it at the right price
Hi Sir - pa bulong naman thru PM ng "right price" nung AVT-400 mo . . . .
czarsky
Post by: geriboy on Jun 09, 2013 at 10:12 AM
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1. although the 5Z4 rectifiers in the picture below does not serve any use i decided to just let it hang in there....clearly visible from the pic that the tube is there only for show...... ;) the chinese did it again.... >:(
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...no problem leaving the two 5Z4 rectifiers in there even if for show only, maganda sya tingnan pag dim lights haha very soothing "eye candy"
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To sirs Tony and Docrob - if pang-show lang yung mga 5Z4 tubes, so pwede ito tanggalin and the AV400 amp would still work? baka kasi mas makakatipid sa kuryente kung hindi nakakabit yung 5z4 tubes.
TIA!
Post by: JojoD818 on Jun 09, 2013 at 11:35 AM
The tubes are still part of the circuit, they're just surprisingly used oddly in this case. I do not know of any self-respecting designer who would intentionally implement it like it was done so. For example, the tube rectifiers would be easily thought of as supplying power to the signal tubes, but wait, they're not... they're there to supply an opamp. ;D Kaya sa nakakaintindi, hindi maiwasan sabihin na palamuti lang sila.
Anyone who would argue that there is nothing wrong about it's implementation is probably right, kanya-kanyang trip lang yan on how you design things, and besides, gumagana naman diba? But like I said, it's just odd to see it that way.
As my friend Frank used to say, they may be a bunch of rectumfriers (pertaining to tube rectifiers) but they sure do have a purpose.... ;D
Post by: geriboy on Jun 09, 2013 at 11:40 AM
Post by: docrob on Jun 09, 2013 at 10:52 PM
i'm satisfied with the sound of the AV400. Even though it's not a pure tube amp per se, not even a hybrid as what sir Jojo said it still belts out good music powering a vintage Akai fullrange speakers. Sarap makinig even though the Quicksilver mono tube amps are my main amps
i'll try to record a video of it playing music and post it here
Thanks,
Rob
Post by: czarsky on Jun 10, 2013 at 08:20 AM
naibulong na?
i have a good idea of the history of that amp....
palagay ko lang nagsisi yung previous owner.....:D
Yes sir . . . pwede na ung price nya considering na higher wattage at modded na . . .
Post by: czarsky on Jun 10, 2013 at 09:06 PM
Post by: arbitrage on Jun 19, 2013 at 02:50 PM
Have a sort of review here :-)
http://www.wiredstate.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=27239&p=468556#p468556
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Post by: fishda on Jun 20, 2013 at 09:17 PM
Post by: cHiNo2728 on Jun 28, 2013 at 10:32 AM
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Post by: cHiNo2728 on Jun 29, 2013 at 07:47 PM
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Post by: Gino on Jul 10, 2013 at 08:55 AM
Post by: balarila on Jul 25, 2013 at 01:54 PM
I’m no audiophile (though I can usually tell when something sounds bad). But I’m a pretty handy woodworker.
I have a pair of Wharfedale 9.1 lying around. Also have some pieces of good wood. I figure I can surprise the wife by constructing some nice speaker stands, a hall table, an ipod dock, then have a retro-looking sound-system on top of the table. Wife will use it only to listen to music while she works at home, not for some superfine audiophile experience.
This Sakura seems to fit the bill. I can also probably replace the wood siding with something better looking like dao or kamagong.
I can also solder so, if I get a bit more ambitious, maybe I can tweak the amp by replacing with better parts. Haven’t done a full backread of this thread yet so no idea if this is ambitious. My skill is high-school practical arts level when we soldered together a super-heterodyne thing.
Could someone point me to the part of the thread (too many pages!) where there could be a list of parts? Would also like to know where I can get them. Deeco? Alexan? I have no means of going to Raon.
Is this a good idea or am I just nuts?
Post by: Gino on Jul 25, 2013 at 03:59 PM
Post by: balarila on Jul 26, 2013 at 11:39 AM
Here's an ignorant question, please. Will the AV200T drive my Wharfedale 9.1 speakers properly?
The amp is claimed to have a PMPO of 200W so I'd roughly estimate that it would have 20W RMS per channel. The Wharfedales are rated at 100W each. Would I not end up running this amp with volume always at the top end, distorting sound?
Post by: rochie on Jul 26, 2013 at 11:49 AM
Post by: balarila on Jul 26, 2013 at 11:52 AM
with Sensitivity of 86dB you'll be pushing the sakura on the top end,when i still have my av-200t i usually turn the volume up to 11-12 oclock position w/o any noticeable distortion,but my av-200t is already modified by diy_master,capacitors replaced and volume pot changed to alps.
Sorry for being thick about electronics. Are you implying that, if I do not upgrade the capacitors and pots, I will most always have my volume knob at max?
Post by: cHiNo2728 on Jul 26, 2013 at 11:53 AM
Balarila,
If you succeed in changing the sides to real wood like mahogany, kamagong, acacia or what, please let me know so I can have mine modified.
Post by: rochie on Jul 26, 2013 at 12:25 PM
Sorry for being thick about electronics. Are you implying that, if I do not upgrade the capacitors and pots, I will most always have my volume knob at max?
ohh sorry bout that hehehe, i mean if not upgraded for sure you can still listen to it in low-high volume.you can still use you're wharf with sakura but the only question is how loud is your normal listening level?are you the generous type who likes to listen with your neighbor :) or are you the greedy type that you want your audio just for yourself? hehehehehe.i havent heard the stock av-200T but upon reading its thread from page 1 up to the last page majority agrees that upgrading/mod the components greatly improve its SQ.
Post by: balarila on Jul 26, 2013 at 12:57 PM
I will probably mod it sometime in the future, time permitting. Haven't soldered anything in more than 20 years.
@Chino, sure, will post here if I were able to change the sides. From your message, I take it that the sides are not real wood? MDF with laminate?
Maybe I can do a deal with someone here: Change to wood sides for an innards upgrade!
BTW, I live in Antipolo so I called up Deeco on Marcos Hiway. They say they can easily have an AV200T sent from Raon to their branch if I make a P500 deposit. Cost of unit is P4290.
Post by: balarila on Jul 27, 2013 at 06:10 AM
I may, for example, find out at some point, while tinkering with the AV200T, that the sum of expenses could have afforded me a fully built and much better amp, at much less trouble.
That's one of the reasons why I will try to enjoy it "stock" first. When I do decide on the mod, it will be for the fun of the mod itself, secondary is the SQ.
In my hobbies, I seldom look at ROI when I buy new stuff and sell my old. I guess I have long ago considered my hobbies as cost centers of joy. I could never cost justify, for example, constructing a Home Theater if I can watch movies in a cinema. Yet I have built (and now rebuilding) one.
But I do see your point. It's always good discipline to keep economics at the back of one's mind everytime one gets the urge on a project.
Post by: Gino on Jul 27, 2013 at 08:39 AM
Post by: balarila on Jul 27, 2013 at 08:51 AM
it is a misconception that DIY saves you money, simply not true all the time..
How very true!
My other hobby is woodworking. I make all sorts of little projects (boxes, racks, cabinets) and an ongoing big one: 23-foot sailboat.
Would I have saved money if I just bought stock? Absolutely.
So why do I do DIY? Just for the fun of it. Never for economics.
Of course, if the wife asks... :)
Post by: balarila on Jul 27, 2013 at 08:51 AM
I personally am drawn towards stock used items. When i come across a modded item I think wow this guy did some mods and still he is unhappy with it, this must sound really bad.
That's great insight, Gino.
Learned something today.
Post by: cHiNo2728 on Jul 27, 2013 at 09:07 AM
Well said sir.
Balarila,
Yes, the sides are MDF with laminates. Would'nt mind modifying it aesthetically and put in real wood.
Maybe widen it a little bit. You know what I mean. Let me know. The Deeco price is okay considering you wont have to travel to Raon anymore.
Post by: JojoD818 on Jul 27, 2013 at 11:24 AM
and may i add, because we can...
would had been a waste if we don't... not to mention the passion involved.
the tube technology if lost to the young would really be a sad thing...
when I was invited to do a lecture on a TESDA workshop I found that the participants, mostly fresh high school graduates eager to learn but lack the passion to see it through. it takes a certain mind set and a little kick in the butt to get them going.
DIY (in whatever field) is a viable alternative to doing nothing, or worse, doing drugs...
Post by: Gino on Jul 27, 2013 at 11:43 AM
Post by: balarila on Jul 31, 2013 at 07:07 PM
At the store, I was not impressed at the build quality. The fake wood (laminate) had some minor defect at the corner. I didn't mind because the woodworker in me knows I'll have to replace that with some finely milled wood. The volume knob's mark was not aligned with the minimum mark. I tried to pull it off to reinsert at the proper rotation but could not. I feared any more force would tear the whole pot off. If anyone knows how to do this, I'd appreciate some suggestions.
When the store clerk was preparing to hook it up for testing, I saw her dragging a huge pair of speakers. Told her bookshelf speakers will do. She said no because the amps are rated at 200W. I said that's PMPO so it'll probably have about 20W+ per channel. She dragged smaller but still huge speakers. We played some horrible rap music. But I was surprised I could play such volume at only a quarter of the volume dialed up.
A bunch of other guys crowded around awed by a valve amp. When I bought it, one of the guys asked if I got the last one. I said there's plenty more in Raon and told him how to go about it.
Now, at home, hooked it up to my Wharfedale 9.1. Played Tuck & Patti's "I Will".
Man, this is one awesome amp. Patti's voice seemed a lot more leathery punctuated by Tuck Andres' even more metallic plucks. Even the skids across the frets was a pleasure to hear.
Played a few more vocals. Somehow, the voices and orchestra were aggressively velvet. Supple. Firm. But whole and round.
Sorry, I am no audiophile. And I could never convert to words what I feel about music (same way with wines). And this is the first time I am listening to a valve amp, something I have always been skeptical about.
I'm a convert.
And this amp's a treasure.
Post by: balarila on Jul 31, 2013 at 07:17 PM
congrats.....i suggest you live with that amp for a while before thinking of tinkering with it.....
Tinkering with the innards is farthest from my mind and heart right now, Tony. I'm just so happy with it. Babaw ba?
I will probably make a new wood case for it, though.
Thanks, too, for all your posts. I learned a lot.
- Ding
Post by: david webb on Aug 01, 2013 at 07:35 AM
Got to hear the sound of a tube amp in a friend's house and I was really impressed! Patay na! gastos na naman! :)
Search search lang sa internet about tube amps so I landed into this Sakura AV 200T thread. It immediately caught my interest kasi nga mura and maganda naman ang feedback. Punta agad ako Raon to get one. Also bought a pair of TSI 100s and decent cables made in the UK from SnS. CD Player eh lumang Philips. Initially satisfied with the sound pero parang may kulang eh. Di ko ma explain! so Basa basa basa ng threads. Meron mga upgrades suggested, etc., Di ako mapakali...
Until I found the contact details of one of the well respected gurus here at PDVD. ang advise niya is huwag na galawin at di rin sigurado kung ma kukuntento ako sa tunog after the upgrades. besides, gagastos ako ng almost the same with my cost of acquisition ng amp. So there I decided na pagtiyagaan na lang muna at mag research research na lang muna.
hanggang sa balak ko na bumili ng Dared and Cayin. Later on found out na made in China so medjo na turn off ako (No offense meant of course to Dared and Cayin owners).
To cut the long story, I decided to get a hybrid set up (tube pre amp with SS amp) that is locally made. Now I am very happy with it!
My Sakura is definitely a keeper. for its price, looks, and sound panalo na!
Now, I will place it in my office. Upgrades are still not an option unless may masira.
Post by: balarila on Aug 01, 2013 at 07:44 AM
I now find myself surfing websites like Dared, Cayin, and even Yaqin.
To the gurus here: How do I remove the tubes from the sockets? Do I simply grip the lower part (seems strongest) then pull out? Do I need to wipe my hands clean; i.e. would hand oil compromise the glass?
I'm asking this question because I plan to replace the MDF laminate sides with some nice wood and would prefer to do it without the tubes getting in the way.
I recall when I was in high school we made a superhet receiver and we just recklessly handled tubes then. Never taught if there's a right/wrong way.
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 01, 2013 at 08:30 AM
How do I remove the tubes from the sockets? Do I simply grip the lower part (seems strongest) then pull out? Do I need to wipe my hands clean; i.e. would hand oil compromise the glass?
Grip it firmly and pull it upwards. Never make any large horizontal movements or you might damage the pins and crack the envelope.
Wipe you tubes and hands when you're done. Oil would not compromise the glass, tubes have seen worse scenarios and still survive/function.
I recall when I was in high school we made a superhet receiver and we just recklessly handled tubes then. Never taught if there's a right/wrong way.
This must be during the 70's right?
Post by: david webb on Aug 01, 2013 at 08:40 AM
Ha, ha, David. Looks like I'm following your footsteps.
I now find myself surfing websites like Dared, Cayin, and even Yaqin.
Sir Balarila, looks like I'm also following your footsteps. found some scrap nara planks and planning to make trimmings for my new amp. :)
Post by: Gino on Aug 01, 2013 at 09:08 AM
Post by: balarila on Aug 01, 2013 at 10:30 AM
Yes, I recall from an electronics class back in college a professor demo-ed to us how a capacitor can actually discharge. Good point. Will read up.
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On another matter, someone PM-ed me asking how much I got the Sakura from Deeco for.
It was P4,295. Not sure by how much it would be cheaper in other shops in Raon but, since I live in Antipolo, going to Raon would probably cost me more.
Post by: balarila on Aug 01, 2013 at 10:32 AM
This must be during the 70's right?
Thanks for the tip, Jojo. Looks like I had the right idea, too.
Yes, I graduated HS in 1976 so that Superhet must've been sometime 1974-5. Had my share of electrocution back then.
Bisto na age ko!
Post by: Gino on Aug 01, 2013 at 10:47 AM
Post by: ndotcom on Aug 01, 2013 at 11:09 AM
Thanks, Gino.
Yes, I recall from an electronics class back in college a professor demo-ed to us how a capacitor can actually discharge. Good point. Will read up.
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On another matter, someone PM-ed me asking how much I got the Sakura from Deeco for.
It was P4,295. Not sure by how much it would be cheaper in other shops in Raon but, since I live in Antipolo, going to Raon would probably cost me more.
Sir if I may, saan kayo dito sa Antipolo am here at upper side near Ynares I could be of help and vice versa in terms of wood works, I like to learn wood working skills.
By the way Raon is just a 15min or less train away from Deeco Marcos Hway, kaya ako pag wala dun diretso na Raon :)
Post by: balarila on Aug 01, 2013 at 01:04 PM
Sir if I may, saan kayo dito sa Antipolo am here at upper side near Ynares I could be of help and vice versa in terms of wood works, I like to learn wood working skills.
By the way Raon is just a 15min or less train away from Deeco Marcos Hway, kaya ako pag wala dun diretso na Raon :)
I live in Palos Verdes, about 500m uphill from Padi's Point. You're less than 15min away. PM me if you want to drop by. You're most welcome to "play". Check out my thread My Home Theater Rebuild Project in Setting Up.
Yes, I've done that train ride before. My constraint nowadays is actually more on time.
Post by: balarila on Aug 01, 2013 at 01:08 PM
unsolicited advice, if you want to get into tubes, get a straight tube amp, not a half tube, half ss one....go to friend's place with tube amps and then listen, then you ca make up your mind....:D
Thanks, Tony. Will try that one day.
Frankly, I had always been skeptical about tube amps. I only got this Sakura because of the cool retro looks. So imagine my surprise when it sounded great. Even if it were not a "full" tube. Of course, I'm only comparing it with my cheap Nova amp.
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 01, 2013 at 01:49 PM
Thanks for the tip, Jojo. Looks like I had the right idea, too.
Yes, I graduated HS in 1976 so that Superhet must've been sometime 1974-5. Had my share of electrocution back then.
Bisto na age ko!
I knew it. ;D
We did the solid state version of the superhet during the 80's for our practical arts. Tubes were still preferred for the transmitters back then because the solid state finals almost always gives out the magic smoke.
Damn, that was a long time ago for me too... ;D
Back to the future.
Post by: Gino on Aug 01, 2013 at 03:30 PM
Post by: ye-yo on Aug 01, 2013 at 06:00 PM
Post by: Gino on Aug 01, 2013 at 06:29 PM
Post by: balarila on Aug 01, 2013 at 07:45 PM
i am here to give the technical side of things....
note that i shy away from giving comments about how an amp sounds,
as much as possible i leave that to the user,
as listening to music is very much a subjective thing...
what sounds good to you may not necessarily sound good to me,
and vice versa....:D
Yes, very subjective. In fact, it may even be psychological. For all you know, I'm enjoying placebo. Just because of all I read about tube amps, I may have convinced myself that this amp sounds fantastic.
Whatever, been listening to a bunch of R&B, soul, and soft rock the past 2 hours. Nirvana!
Post by: Gino on Aug 01, 2013 at 08:12 PM
Post by: david webb on Aug 01, 2013 at 08:53 PM
Yes, very subjective. In fact, it may even be psychological. For all you know, I'm enjoying placebo. Just because of all I read about tube amps, I may have convinced myself that this amp sounds fantastic.
Whatever, been listening to a bunch of R&B, soul, and soft rock the past 2 hours. Nirvana!
ika nga eh Music touches the soul! As long as you're happy listening to it.
From a newbie that is used to the sound of mini and micro components from Abensons, ipod docks, and mp3 players, malayo talaga ang tunog.
Post by: balarila on Aug 01, 2013 at 09:44 PM
BTW, one of my neighbors and good friend is John Webb. Related?
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 01, 2013 at 10:30 PM
One of my favorites... ;D
Post by: balarila on Aug 02, 2013 at 03:21 AM
I think David Webb = Jason Bourne? ;D
One of my favorites... ;D
Ha-ha. Didn't dawn on me quick enough.
Post by: david webb on Aug 02, 2013 at 11:36 AM
I think David Webb = Jason Bourne? ;D
One of my favorites... ;D
Tama sir!
Post by: balarila on Aug 05, 2013 at 08:07 AM
Anyone have any experience doing this? SQ?
Or, are there any cheap media players I can use to play just audio?
Post by: rochie on Aug 05, 2013 at 08:34 AM
Planning to move the Sakura amp into the dining room. I'd like to attach it to a cheap source. Someone gave me one of those no-name Android tablets with an SD port. Thinking I can load music onto an SD card and use that tablet as source.in my experience mas ok ang SQ ng portable audio player ko before(sansa clip+ and cowon j3) compared to my android tablet/device(kindle fire/htc desire hd).so baka sir meron kayo lumang ipod na hindi na ginagamit mas ok gamitin yun compare sa mga unknown/china brand na android tablet.
Anyone have any experience doing this? SQ?
Or, are there any cheap media players I can use to play just audio?
Post by: wackiedoodle on Aug 05, 2013 at 10:40 AM
I think David Webb = Jason Bourne? ;D
One of my favorites... ;D
hehe... nice one sir jojo... ;D ;D
Post by: ehmarzo on Aug 05, 2013 at 04:58 PM
wala na kasi yung resibo nito at ayaw na tanggapin sa binilhan ko when i called. pinacheck ko sa pinaka malapit na technician sa amin. binentahan lang ako ng mga 2nd hand amp nya. di na daw narerepair mga ganito.
any idea kung ano pyesa nasira dito? may output pa naman sya nag power on pero yun lang tunog lata ang lumalabas.
Post by: fishda on Aug 05, 2013 at 05:08 PM
Planning to move the Sakura amp into the dining room. I'd like to attach it to a cheap source. Someone gave me one of those no-name Android tablets with an SD port. Thinking I can load music onto an SD card and use that tablet as source.ot:
Anyone have any experience doing this? SQ?
Or, are there any cheap media players I can use to play just audio?
am not sure if you can install an external dac on your tab. you can probably get a fiio e10 dac to pair with it so it will sound smoother and cleaner.:) 2nd hand might cost you 2k+
back to topic:
there's a sakura at deeco ever commonwealth. i saw 1 last week.:)
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 05, 2013 at 05:29 PM
mga boss, ano kaya problema ng sakura ko? bigla na lang nawala yung buong buong sound nya habang nagpapatugtog ako. bigla na lang naging puro kalansing at tunog lata output ng speakers ko?
wala na kasi yung resibo nito at ayaw na tanggapin sa binilhan ko when i called. pinacheck ko sa pinaka malapit na technician sa amin. binentahan lang ako ng mga 2nd hand amp nya. di na daw narerepair mga ganito.
any idea kung ano pyesa nasira dito? may output pa naman sya nag power on pero yun lang tunog lata ang lumalabas.
both channels po ba? paki silip nga po kung nagbabaga ang mga heaters ng mga tubo? pwede kasing nawalan ng supply yun plate or yun heater ng amp ninyo.
Post by: ehmarzo on Aug 05, 2013 at 07:08 PM
both channels po ba? paki silip nga po kung nagbabaga ang mga heaters ng mga tubo? pwede kasing nawalan ng supply yun plate or yun heater ng amp ninyo.
hi sir jojo, thanks for the reply. yes sir, umiilaw yung mga tubes nya. napapansin ko din, pag power on, umiilaw yung power button sa harap pero parang hindi umaandar yung fan nya sa likod.
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 05, 2013 at 08:46 PM
and fyi po nun pinakamalapit na technician diyan sa inyo, na-re-repair naman po yan, baka hindi niya lang alam kung paano... ;D
Post by: Aav888 on Aug 05, 2013 at 11:45 PM
Post by: eliahp on Aug 06, 2013 at 12:01 AM
@Aav888
Baguhan lang din ako in this kind of hobby pero palagay ko kaya di maayos yung tunog nyan dahil kailangan mo pa ng phono stage? Im not sure though sir, opinion ko lang. HTH.
Lets wait for the masters input here. ^-^
Post by: ATJr. on Aug 06, 2013 at 06:59 AM
Good evening po! Newbie palang po ako sa sounds. Ask Lang po sana ako ng opinion regarding sa nabili ko na Sakura av-200T kanina sa Deeco sa sales st. Manila. Pag uwi ko po ng bahay ay sinubukan ko kagad yun bnew tube amp na nabili ko sa turn table ko pero napuna ko po kagad na mahinang mahina ang volume kahit na isagad pa ang volume level at parang di gumagana ng matino yun amp pati tunog. Ano po kaya ang problem? Yun tube amp unit po kaya ang may problema? Balak ko po ibalik kaagad sa Deeco bukas para sabihin ang problem. Salamat po sa tulong in advance
you need a phono preamp. hanapin mo si rene rivo, meron syang mods para sa phono preamp input.
Post by: ehmarzo on Aug 06, 2013 at 09:56 AM
may malaking chance na isa po sa mga power supply ay nag loose, nasira o nasunog. mas maigi po talaga na ihanap niyo ng manggagawa para ma-repair... or baka pwede niyo track down yun service center ng Sakura dito sa atin.thanks Sir Jojo. Hirap lang talaga pag sa province. unlike sa manila, kabila kabila mga shops at mga service centers.
and fyi po nun pinakamalapit na technician diyan sa inyo, na-re-repair naman po yan, baka hindi niya lang alam kung paano... ;D
Post by: simplekryz on Aug 06, 2013 at 08:50 PM
3k sir parts and labor na.boss pwede mag order ng av-200t modified kindly txt me 09266553161
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 06, 2013 at 09:40 PM
thanks Sir Jojo. Hirap lang talaga pag sa province. unlike sa manila, kabila kabila mga shops at mga service centers.
You're welcome sir. Madami na din ako na-repair na av200 and usually it is psu related or busted outputs. Hanap na lang po kayo ng manggagawa diyan sa may inyo sir. :)
Post by: rochie on Aug 06, 2013 at 10:50 PM
boss pwede mag order ng av-200t modified kindly txt me 09266553161
sir afaik hindi na nagmomodify si diy_master ng sakura dahil super busy sa speakers, and 4 years ago na po yung quote nyo na post nya :) :) :) :)
Post by: ATJr. on Aug 07, 2013 at 06:41 AM
Post by: Gino on Aug 07, 2013 at 07:38 AM
Post by: ATJr. on Aug 08, 2013 at 07:18 AM
Post by: buchieboy on Aug 09, 2013 at 06:47 PM
Post by: Gino on Aug 09, 2013 at 07:00 PM
Post by: ATJr. on Aug 09, 2013 at 07:46 PM
Newbie here guys and in need of help. I currently have a nad 325/515 and wharfedale 10.1 combo which i find dark sounding (good for some recordings but not for all) will a modded (by hyperaudio) avt 200 and pairing it with the nad515 and wharfe 10.1 have better sound quality?thanks!
how do you plan to pair the av200 with a nad515?
Post by: rochie on Aug 09, 2013 at 07:57 PM
how do you plan to pair the av200 with a nad515?
sir tony yung nad515 ata cd player.
Post by: ndotcom on Aug 09, 2013 at 08:26 PM
Newbie here guys and in need of help. I currently have a nad 325/515 and wharfedale 10.1 combo which i find dark sounding (good for some recordings but not for all) will a modded (by hyperaudio) avt 200 and pairing it with the nad515 and wharfe 10.1 have better sound quality?thanks!
You have already a good combo with your NADs, what is dark for you? Limited highs ba, you are looking for highs(kalansing) in your current set-up? I wonder if you have considered to test/hear other speakers.
Post by: buchieboy on Aug 10, 2013 at 12:29 AM
Will a speaker change address the concern?
@ATjr. Nad515 cdp wt d sakura amp :)
Thanks for the help!
Post by: fishda on Aug 10, 2013 at 02:26 AM
Post by: ATJr. on Aug 10, 2013 at 07:59 AM
there are 4 tubes on the chassis, 2 x 5Z4 rectifiers and 2 x 6N2 twin triodes..
the 2 5z4's are rectifiers that supply rail voltages for a rc4558 input buffer ic...
the output of these rectifiers are zener regulated at 6 volts...
the ic drives a tone control circuit with another rc4558 in active configuration,
this other ic however is fed rails off the power amp board via lm 7812/7912 regulators..
the 6n2 tubes are also fed off the regulated +-12 volt rails, configured as a cathode follower,
as we all know, cathode followers are 100% negative feedback circuit with voltage gains around 0.9
this and the use of tone control necessitates use of the rc4558 integrated chips..
cathode followers are not supposed to "color" the sound...
but the fact that very low voltages were used on a tube that needs significantly highish
voltages in order to be in the linear region, then this coloration happens...
the av200 represents a break with all tube design traditions that only the chinese can do... ;) :D
incidentally, just about any type of b9 tubes ca be tried, i used the russian 6n23 in mine...
btw, Chino's sakura av-400 is much better than the av-200 in terms of power, owners of these units are advised to hold on to them... 8)
Post by: Wildfire™ on Aug 10, 2013 at 09:40 AM
Post by: ehmarzo on Aug 10, 2013 at 03:54 PM
san ang service center ng sakura?same question here.
Post by: arbitrage on Aug 10, 2013 at 05:36 PM
Newbie here guys and in need of help. I currently have a nad 325/515 and wharfedale 10.1 combo which i find dark sounding (good for some recordings but not for all) will a modded (by hyperaudio) avt 200 and pairing it with the nad515 and wharfe 10.1 have better sound quality?thanks!
I have one (modded by Rene Rivo) and its not the right amp if you want to remedy that dark sound. The only tube component of the AV200t is it's Preamp section and the power is still SS. Its a good amp for laidback listening as the Tube filtering renders music to be more warm and musical, its a step up from unmodded AV200s (a very nice step up too!) but it's still a tad dark. Wharfes are power hungry in my experience so the AV200's 20W/Channel output wont really do it for the 10.1's (yup it's just 20-25W; dunno why they claim it to be 200w as my friend measured it).
That being said, Rene's AV200 would be ideal if you're a newbie to Vinyl and Hi Fi as it has a Phono In, Sub Out and 2 extra inputs so you can experiment to your heart's content.
Plus the tube coloration renders most mp3 to be really listenable. Tatagal ka makining kahit mp3 lang source. IME it lessens ear fatigue because of said coloration.
FWIW look for vintage Sansui INT amp with a high watt rating. These amps are really detailed and bright without being grating and can properly drive your wharfes on the cheap.
Just my two cents
:)
Post by: balarila on Aug 10, 2013 at 08:28 PM
same question here.
san ang service center ng sakura?
They have a website: http://sakura.com.ph/
Maybe you can start looking there.
Post by: roygee on Aug 10, 2013 at 08:55 PM
san ang service center ng sakura?
sa Eton (tapat ng Robinsons Galleria).. Crown ang name ng store, I inquired before about this amp, and asked yung sales lady na what if magka problem ang amp, sa kanila lang daw dalin :)
Post by: buchieboy on Aug 11, 2013 at 08:24 AM
Post by: balarila on Aug 14, 2013 at 01:30 PM
I plan to do some cosmetic changes to it. Specifically, I'd like to replace those MDF (faux wood) sidings with real wood. I'll also probably replace that black box at the top with some better wood.
Would anyone know if these panels and the box can be removed easily? e.g. by screws? I'd hate to pry them off if they're glued on.
Also, what is inside that black box?
Is that metal Sakura logo at the front removable?
Post by: Gino on Aug 14, 2013 at 02:11 PM
Post by: ATJr. on Aug 14, 2013 at 04:19 PM
To those who have opened up this amp, may I have a bit of info?
I plan to do some cosmetic changes to it. Specifically, I'd like to replace those MDF (faux wood) sidings with real wood. I'll also probably replace that black box at the top with some better wood.
Would anyone know if these panels and the box can be removed easily? e.g. by screws? I'd hate to pry them off if they're glued on.
Also, what is inside that black box?
na awitan ng bayaw ko yung Sakura ko after i modded it...maybe 2 years ago...
Is that metal Sakura logo at the front removable?
i do not see any problem there....go ahead and do it.... :D
to remove the top box you may have to lift the power amp board for access, i posted some photos many many pages back...search mo na lang.....
the front panel is removable, not sure about the logos...
Post by: balarila on Aug 14, 2013 at 08:19 PM
The box covers the transformers. They get really hot hence they are outside the chassis. I wouldn't change those to wood.
Oh, I thought that box is made of wood. Tapping on it, sounds like wood so I planned to use some nicely grained wood instead.
Thanks!
Post by: balarila on Aug 14, 2013 at 08:20 PM
i do not see any problem there....go ahead and do it.... :D
to remove the top box you may have to lift the power amp board for access, i posted some photos many many pages back...search mo na lang.....
the front panel is removable, not sure about the logos...
Yes, Tony. Saw the photos you took several messages back. I could make out some screws. Just wanted to be sure I'm not missing anything. Salamat!
Post by: Wildfire™ on Aug 14, 2013 at 10:18 PM
sa Eton (tapat ng Robinsons Galleria).. Crown ang name ng store, I inquired before about this amp, and asked yung sales lady na what if magka problem ang amp, sa kanila lang daw dalin :)
thanks
Post by: balarila on Aug 23, 2013 at 12:08 PM
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,182649.0.html
I accidentally snapped off the shaft of the volume pot. Can anyone tell me the specs of this pot so I may attempt to replace it? I'd also like to know if the tone control pots are identical to the volume pot so Imay replace them as well.
Please note I have not been into electronics for more than 20 years so very rusty. All I can recall is that these pots are rated in terms of range of Ohms in variable resistance. As much detail as you can, please, would be greatly appreciated.
Can I find better pots at Decco? I'm not looking at top of the line. Just something better than the stock pots with cheap plastic shafts.
Post by: rochie on Aug 23, 2013 at 08:38 PM
I am presently dismantling my Sakura to replace the MDF parts with wood.
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,182649.0.html
I accidentally snapped off the shaft of the volume pot. Can anyone tell me the specs of this pot so I may attempt to replace it? I'd also like to know if the tone control pots are identical to the volume pot so Imay replace them as well.
Please note I have not been into electronics for more than 20 years so very rusty. All I can recall is that these pots are rated in terms of range of Ohms in variable resistance. As much detail as you can, please, would be greatly appreciated.
Can I find better pots at Decco? I'm not looking at top of the line. Just something better than the stock pots with cheap plastic shafts.
if i remember it correctly my previous sakura is modded/replaced with 100K dual/stereo volume potentiometer alps to be exact,try eleshop or watson baka meron sila alps,i bought an alps single pots couple of weeks ago sa watson di ko lang natanong kung meron pa sila dual/stereo.
Post by: balarila on Aug 24, 2013 at 06:17 AM
(http://balarila.smugmug.com/Other/Stuff/i-XQGnmFb/0/L/photo%201-L.jpg)
I think the label says B50k. Would that mean a dual-gang 50kOhm pot?
Post by: ATJr. on Aug 24, 2013 at 07:00 AM
Post by: markcrenz on Aug 24, 2013 at 08:39 AM
Post by: balarila on Sep 04, 2013 at 07:49 AM
The torroidal transformer looks interesting so I'm encasing it partially in glass. I thought it may look cool if I put a pair of LED lights somewhere inside the transformer case to make the coiled copper wire gleam a bit.
Can anyone show me where to tap into to power a pair of LED lights? I plan to get some low-wattage LEDs and some hookup wire from DEECO to do this.
I'm no expert in electronics but I think I can still solder. Would this be an easy job or too risky for my skill-level?
Post by: jlester87 on Sep 04, 2013 at 10:22 AM
I think jlester sells alpine pots, not sure of the value though. get 50k or lower, not higher. as i've read high resistance pots may induce more noise and taper the hf response.I don't have alps, what I have here is chinese DACT pot (stepped attenuator with SMD resistors). Value is 100k log. But it's not cheap :)
Post by: balarila on Sep 04, 2013 at 02:01 PM
The amp is a cheap one so I am hesitant to use expensive parts. Something better than stock would do for me now.
Post by: jlester87 on Sep 04, 2013 at 02:15 PM
These cheap sealed pots are ok for slight upgrade, already tried them...
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee246/shkub/IMG_0184-1.jpg)
Post by: balarila on Sep 04, 2013 at 02:55 PM
My problem is I am too far from Raon so my only source is Deeco which sells just the same cheap generic pots.
Someone in this forum offered to look at his old stash. Hope something comes out of it.
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 04, 2013 at 06:36 PM
I don't have alps, what I have here is chinese DACT pot (stepped attenuator with SMD resistors). Value is 100k log. But it's not cheap :)
Sir balarila aka Noah ;) (according to Timber, gumagawa ka daw kasi ng mga boats and yacht ;D ). Maganda yan DACT na yan. I think you can still use that, then replace it with an ordinary pot if you intend to sell your Sakura, provided you have extra space for the DACT.
Post by: markcrenz on Sep 04, 2013 at 09:13 PM
(http://sound.westhost.com/p01-f1.gif)
more here: http://sound.westhost.com/project01.htm
Post by: balarila on Sep 05, 2013 at 06:40 AM
Nice link. Napa-review tuloy ako ng basic electronics. Buti naalala ko pa ang Ohm's Law at summation of V, I,and R across series and parallel circuits.
Luckily, a member in this forum offered to give me a spare log pot and some 9V LED lamps. This forum really rocks with helpful and generous people.
I plan to install some blue LEDs near the cool-looking torroidal transformer. If I may re-ask: Would anyone here know where I can tap 9volts from to light up my LEDs?
Post by: remington on Sep 06, 2013 at 12:29 AM
hello av-200t amp owners...definitely there is something wrong with the unit. You should return it to where you bought it and dont attempt to trouble shoot as it will void the warranty if it has any.
out of curiosity and after reading feedbacks with this amp, i decided to get one. however, there seems to be a problem with my unit that i need to confirm before i return it.
i noticed that upon power up, i can hear a hum, increasing in volume for about 3 seconds followed by a loud crackling sound. i'm worried that it may damage my speakers. is this thing normal or a defect in the unit?
Post by: dana on Sep 06, 2013 at 08:32 AM
hello av-200t amp owners...
out of curiosity and after reading feedbacks with this amp, i decided to get one. however, there seems to be a problem with my unit that i need to confirm before i return it.
i noticed that upon power up, i can hear a hum, increasing in volume for about 3 seconds followed by a loud crackling sound. i'm worried that it may damage my speakers. is this thing normal or a defect in the unit?
nacheck mo before getting it?
try mo muna insert/re-insert mga tubes, baka may loose contact sa pins.
Post by: ATJr. on Sep 06, 2013 at 07:51 PM
Post by: lonto08 on Oct 11, 2013 at 03:18 PM
Share ko lang po ang SHOWROOM namin (CROWN, SAKURA, PRESTIZ, GECKO AND SANUS)
09175091547 and 5140429 and look for Manuel / Val
May mga bumili na rin samin na active dito sa pinoydvd and so far hindi pa naman po sila bumabalik dito samin, if ever kailangan nyo po ng TUBES or Isang UNIT ng AV-200T, tawag po kayo sa number or kung gusto nyo po ng LIVE DEMONSTRATION, bisita po kayo samin.
Eto po magiging address namin sa bago naming lilipatan.
SAINT FRANCIS SQUARE, AG-005 & AG-006 GROUND FLOOR JULIA VARGAS corner BANK DRIVE AVENUE , ORTGAS CENTER, MANDALUYONG CITY.
Baka end of October pa kame makalipat, sa ngayun po nandito pa rin kame sa ORTIGAS so tawag po muna kayo samin.
Maraming Salamat Po!
Eto po picture ni SAKURA AV-200T :D
(http://imageshack.us/a/img20/4453/3rmy.png)
Post by: m0b1u5 on Oct 11, 2013 at 06:48 PM
Hi guys, Salamat sa mga nagreview, nadismaya at natuwa sa SAKURA AV-200T namin
Share ko lang po ang SHOWROOM namin (CROWN, SAKURA, PRESTIZ, GECKO AND SANUS)
09175091547 and 5140429 and look for Manuel / Val
May mga bumili na rin samin na active dito sa pinoydvd and so far hindi pa naman po sila bumabalik dito samin, if ever kailangan nyo po ng TUBES or Isang UNIT ng AV-200T, tawag po kayo sa number or kung gusto nyo po ng LIVE DEMONSTRATION, bisita po kayo samin.
Eto po magiging address namin sa bago naming lilipatan.
SAINT FRANCIS SQUARE, AG-005 & AG-006 GROUND FLOOR JULIA VARGAS corner BANK DRIVE AVENUE , ORTGAS CENTER, MANDALUYONG CITY.
Baka end of October pa kame makalipat, sa ngayun po nandito pa rin kame sa ORTIGAS so tawag po muna kayo samin.
Maraming Salamat Po!
Eto po picture ni SAKURA AV-200T :D
how about Sakura av-400?
Post by: ATJr. on Oct 11, 2013 at 07:35 PM
Hi guys, Salamat sa mga nagreview, nadismaya at natuwa sa SAKURA AV-200T namin
Share ko lang po ang SHOWROOM namin (CROWN, SAKURA, PRESTIZ, GECKO AND SANUS)
09175091547 and 5140429 and look for Manuel / Val
May mga bumili na rin samin na active dito sa pinoydvd and so far hindi pa naman po sila bumabalik dito samin, if ever kailangan nyo po ng TUBES or Isang UNIT ng AV-200T, tawag po kayo sa number or kung gusto nyo po ng LIVE DEMONSTRATION, bisita po kayo samin.
Eto po magiging address namin sa bago naming lilipatan.
SAINT FRANCIS SQUARE, AG-005 & AG-006 GROUND FLOOR JULIA VARGAS corner BANK DRIVE AVENUE , ORTGAS CENTER, MANDALUYONG CITY.
Baka end of October pa kame makalipat, sa ngayun po nandito pa rin kame sa ORTIGAS so tawag po muna kayo samin.
Maraming Salamat Po!
Eto po picture ni SAKURA AV-200T :D
(http://imageshack.us/a/img20/4453/3rmy.png)
a look at the back panel will tell us if that is an AV200 or 400...
it is entirely possible that that is called an AV200 but inside an AV400,
we can only confirm by looking under the hood...
Post by: cHiNo2728 on Oct 12, 2013 at 06:04 AM
These were my past visits, not sure if recently they've brought in something different.
Post by: lonto08 on Oct 12, 2013 at 10:58 AM
(http://imageshack.us/a/img208/6079/qoyg.jpg)
We don't have AV-400.
Please Visit sakura.com.ph and crown.com.ph for more info.
Post by: lonto08 on Oct 12, 2013 at 11:09 AM
We recommend this Crown Active Sub-woofer http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,184566.0.html
Thank you! :D
Post by: ATJr. on Oct 12, 2013 at 04:50 PM
(http://imageshack.us/a/img46/4245/8bfw.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img208/6079/qoyg.jpg)
We don't have AV-400.
Please Visit sakura.com.ph and crown.com.ph for more info.
thought so...the ones brought in by Chino are different, the input selector is digital and does not have a sub out as far as i can recall...
so my unsolicited advise to those who bought units from Chino, hold on to them, they are one of a kind....
you are a chosen few....
for the price, these amps are hard to beat...
Post by: ATJr. on Oct 12, 2013 at 04:51 PM
Post by: lonto08 on Oct 12, 2013 at 05:05 PM
BTW ATJr.,We are looking for possible dealers here at pinoyDVD, can you help me? TIA!! :D
As far as I know, My BOSS is planning to add 1 another Tube Amp, with higher wattage. But for now, we only have 1 model for Tube Amp which is the SAKURA AV-200T.
Thank you for asking ATJr., feel free to cantact me at 514 04 29 or 09175091547.
-Manuel
Post by: DTNS on Oct 12, 2013 at 06:10 PM
Post by: ATJr. on Oct 12, 2013 at 06:50 PM
@ATJr., Yes we sell ALL Sakura and Crown Products, As I said, We are the Supplier of Crown and Sakura Products in Philippines, so you can buy products from us (Volume or Personal Use)
BTW ATJr.,We are looking for possible dealers here at pinoyDVD, can you help me? TIA!! :D
As far as I know, My BOSS is planning to add 1 another Tube Amp, with higher wattage. But for now, we only have 1 model for Tube Amp which is the SAKURA AV-200T.
Thank you for asking ATJr., feel free to cantact me at 514 04 29 or 09175091547.
-Manuel
sorry no inclination to be a dealer....:D
but i can design for you an honest to goodness "tube amp" and you can have it mass produced in china for low cost....
Post by: ATJr. on Oct 13, 2013 at 08:43 AM
another plus is that transconductance is doubled, output impedance is lowered, makes for a better sounding amp....
but the biggest plus i would say is that amplifier downtime is halved...
Post by: markcrenz on Oct 13, 2013 at 10:17 AM
pag binuksan agad to parallel those 6n2 pins, void na waranty, pero tatagal buhay ng tubes.
pag 'di pinakialaman so as to not void the warranty, baka di na rin tumagal ang tubes kasi na-poison na.
habang di pa naaayos ng supplier yung design flaw, what would you suggest to the buyers master tony?
Post by: ATJr. on Oct 13, 2013 at 11:07 AM
that leaves av200t owners in a conundrum: to immediately apply that corrective measure dahil mali yung implementation ng original, or to wait till the warranty is over.
pag binuksan agad to parallel those 6n2 pins, void na waranty, pero tatagal buhay ng tubes.
pag 'di pinakialaman so as to not void the warranty, baka di na rin tumagal ang tubes kasi na-poison na.
habang di pa naaayos ng supplier yung design flaw, what would you suggest to the buyers master tony?
i wouldn't call it a design flaw...way i look at it, the designer was not aware of that possible issue....
that is why i suggest the vendor to make that mod in-house before they sell their amps...
Post by: markcrenz on Oct 13, 2013 at 11:46 AM
i agree it's a great suggestion for the maker/vendor. i know you're an expert on these stuff.
back to my question, what do you suggest para doon sa nakabili na or planning to buy na? tweak agad or keep it intact for the warranty? nagbabalak din kasi ako and it would of course help me/us make a better decision.
Post by: ATJr. on Oct 13, 2013 at 11:51 AM
that is why i post that issue here so that owners can enjoy trouble-free listening on their Sakura's...
for those who like to tube roll, just about any 6.3 volt twin triodes can be used....
Post by: lonto08 on Oct 14, 2013 at 06:06 PM
wrt to the Sakura AV200, one upgrade i would like to see you apply on your product is that you parallel two sections of the peanut tubes 6N2, pin 1 // pin 6; pin 2 // pin7 ; pin 3 // pin 8, reason for this is to avoid cathode poisoning that happens when triode filament is on and no voltages are applied to the elements of the triode...
another plus is that transconductance is doubled, output impedance is lowered, makes for a better sounding amp....
but the biggest plus i would say is that amplifier downtime is halved...
Okay I'll tell my BOSS about this.
Thank you ATJr. :)
Post by: ATJr. on Oct 14, 2013 at 06:57 PM
Post by: NongP on Oct 15, 2013 at 08:32 PM
Post by: ATJr. on Oct 15, 2013 at 08:35 PM
pa post naman po ng drawing kung paano po ito gawin (parallel two sections of the peanut tubes...) no background in electronics. salamat ng marami!
very easy, just jumper pin 1 to pin 6, pin2 to pin 7, pin 3 to pin 8...
from the underside of the board, pin 1 is the one on the left side of the gap, counting clockwise to pin 9...
really easy as counting 1, 2, 3...mas matagal pa yung pagbaklas, daming screws....
make sure na walang sobrang screws pag katapos....:D
Post by: NongP on Oct 15, 2013 at 09:03 PM
Post by: markcrenz on Oct 15, 2013 at 09:24 PM
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Oct 15, 2013 at 10:07 PM
makaipon sana ako ng maraming lakas ng loob para magawa ko na ito :) salamat uli master Tony.
Pag labas nyan kina don king markcrenz, VTL na yan amp mo. Di na sakura. :D
^ kung malapit ka sa proj 8 QC tulungan kita.
Post by: remington on Oct 15, 2013 at 10:14 PM
Pag labas nyan kina don king markcrenz, VTL na yan amp mo. Di na sakura. :Dvery dramatic transformation ^-^ ^-^ ^-^
Post by: docrob on Oct 16, 2013 at 11:29 AM
^ kung malapit ka sa proj 8 QC tulungan kita.
many will help you sir, go ahead with the suggestion of sir Tony you'll be pleased :D
Post by: markcrenz on Oct 16, 2013 at 11:38 AM
Pag labas nyan kina don king markcrenz, VTL na yan amp mo. Di na sakura. :DVery Tunog Lata? wag mo naman takutin...
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Oct 16, 2013 at 08:32 PM
Very Tunog Lata? wag mo naman takutin...
Very Tube Lover.
Post by: nods on Oct 17, 2013 at 10:47 AM
Seriously, pag-usapan na ito. Let me be the first in line :D
Post by: ATJr. on Oct 17, 2013 at 11:56 AM
PinoyDVD Tube Masters + China manufacturing + nice looking case = profit!
Seriously, pag-usapan na ito. Let me be the first in line :D
economy of scale, diy is not exactly cheap, mas mura yung mga ready made amps....
Post by: lonto08 on Oct 17, 2013 at 01:11 PM
PinoyDVD Tube Masters + China manufacturing + nice looking case = profit!
Seriously, pag-usapan na ito. Let me be the first in line :D
May kausap na ko about this, marami daw uhaw sa AV-200T (Modified), for now ang usapan namin is Supplyan ko sya, then sila bahala sa Marketing and Modification in short, Original Equipment Manufacturer.
:)
Post by: TOP 20 on Oct 17, 2013 at 09:24 PM
May kausap na ko about this, marami daw uhaw sa AV-200T (Modified), for now ang usapan namin is Supplyan ko sya, then sila bahala sa Marketing and Modification in short, Original Equipment Manufacturer.
:)
Welcome development here...
Post by: lonto08 on Oct 27, 2013 at 01:24 PM
Nagulat ako may pumunta samin kahapon to buy AV-200T,
Sabi nya meron daw yung kaibigan nya nun pero ibang iba daw yung sa kaibigan nya,
Medyo nakakahiya tuloy kasi yung showroom namin parang bodega kasi mag lilipat na kami sa St. Francis Square, likod ng megamall
and yung ginamit namin na speaker is crown ( hindi pa Hi-Fi)
pero satisfied naman sya :)
Post by: qguy on Oct 27, 2013 at 06:36 PM
Post by: corpse grinder on Oct 27, 2013 at 07:06 PM
Happy Sunday guys !
Nagulat ako may pumunta samin kahapon to buy AV-200T,
Sabi nya meron daw yung kaibigan nya nun pero ibang iba daw yung sa kaibigan nya,
Medyo nakakahiya tuloy kasi yung showroom namin parang bodega kasi mag lilipat na kami sa St. Francis Square, likod ng megamall
and yung ginamit namin na speaker is crown ( hindi pa Hi-Fi)
pero satisfied naman sya :)
sir lonto08 kelan kayo maglilipat sa st.francis square? at kelan po pwede mag audition sa show room nyo? medyo madali puntahan yan place nyo.salamat po
Post by: lonto08 on Oct 28, 2013 at 07:48 PM
sir lonto08 kelan kayo maglilipat sa st.francis square? at kelan po pwede mag audition sa show room nyo? medyo madali puntahan yan place nyo.salamat po
Advise kita Sir or abang kayo sa mga post ko or sa mga post na related sa CROWN / SAKURA,
Pero baka mga first or second week ng November
Post by: lonto08 on Oct 28, 2013 at 07:49 PM
How much ang price AV200T ?
Please refer here
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,184480.0.html
Post by: corpse grinder on Oct 29, 2013 at 04:09 AM
Advise kita Sir or abang kayo sa mga post ko or sa mga post na related sa CROWN / SAKURA,
Pero baka mga first or second week ng November
thanks sir....abang abang na lng kami....
Post by: lonto08 on Oct 29, 2013 at 07:06 PM
Post by: DTNS on Oct 30, 2013 at 02:04 AM
Para po sa mga pupunta, kung madadala nyo po yung speaker nyo much better :) sa ngayun kasi out of stock yung pinapares namin na Speaker sa AV-200T namin so ang gamit lang namin is yung mga floorstander na crown hehe :)
nasa Eton pa rin ang unit nyo ng AV200T?
Post by: lonto08 on Oct 30, 2013 at 10:28 AM
nasa Eton pa rin ang unit nyo ng AV200T?
Meron kaso isa na lang ito, nabili ni ObiWan yung isa then yung 2 pcs nabili this month ng walk-in.
Kung sakaling bibilin itong isa dito wala na akong gagamitin sa pakikinig :(
Post by: lonto08 on Oct 30, 2013 at 10:30 AM
Post by: ATJr. on Oct 30, 2013 at 11:38 AM
Post by: lonto08 on Oct 30, 2013 at 04:52 PM
kailan kayo lilipat? me store blessing ba? :D
Baka first or second week ng November :)
advise kita Sir ATJr. kung kailan mag open sa St. Francis.
Bisita ka Sir ahh :)
Post by: lonto08 on Nov 09, 2013 at 10:26 PM
Manuel Lonto
Post by: m0b1u5 on Nov 15, 2013 at 07:35 PM
what could be the case for this? also there is the thud sound whenever I turn off the unit. baka masira AN ko eh.
thanks.
Post by: remington on Nov 15, 2013 at 07:42 PM
mga sirs, i recently got one but my problem is after about 1 hour, a high pitch sound is coming from the both the speakers. medyo nakakatakot lang kasi I am using it in my AN full range...baka masyado malapit sa AN mo yang sakura ilayo mo sa experience ko nagkakaroon ng reaction ang AN pag masyado malapit sa mga tubo sensitive kasi. Unahin mo din patayin ang source then wait ka mga 1 to 2 mins. bago mo patayin ang sakura pag bukas naman unahin mo source then yung amp.
what could be the case for this? also there is the thud sound whenever I turn off the unit. baka masira AN ko eh.
thanks.
Post by: m0b1u5 on Nov 15, 2013 at 08:52 PM
baka masyado malapit sa AN mo yang sakura ilayo mo sa experience ko nagkakaroon ng reaction ang AN pag masyado malapit sa mga tubo sensitive kasi. Unahin mo din patayin ang source then wait ka mga 1 to 2 mins. bago mo patayin ang sakura pag bukas naman unahin mo source then yung amp.
ganun ba bro? sige subukan ko ilayo, medyo malapit kasi yung AN sa amp. thanks
Post by: ATJr. on Nov 16, 2013 at 07:57 AM
Post by: m0b1u5 on Nov 16, 2013 at 09:58 AM
zero out the volume control before you turn your sakura off, it will help...meron pa din thud sound even if volume is at zero level. sa ibang amps ko naman upon power on meron thud. :(
Post by: markcrenz on Nov 16, 2013 at 11:21 AM
baka masyado malapit sa AN mo yang sakura ilayo mo sa experience ko nagkakaroon ng reaction ang AN pag masyado malapit sa mga tubo sensitive kasi. Unahin mo din patayin ang source then wait ka mga 1 to 2 mins. bago mo patayin ang sakura pag bukas naman unahin mo source then yung amp.You should turn the amplifier ON LAST, then turn it OFF FIRST.
Post by: ATJr. on Nov 16, 2013 at 11:35 AM
meron pa din thud sound even if volume is at zero level. sa ibang amps ko naman upon power on meron thud. :(
the tubes have nothing to do with that,
the power amp is a solid state and connected to speakers via relays,
on power down, this relay should turn off quickly,
but on power on there must be a delay of a few seconds,
this the heart of your problem,
ss amps do have turn on/of thuds and so uses a speaker
time delay relay, this is very rare in pure tube power amps...
Post by: X-FILES on Nov 22, 2013 at 08:56 AM
Post by: DTNS on Nov 22, 2013 at 10:55 AM
Post by: ATJr. on Nov 22, 2013 at 11:13 AM
Mga masters, ask ko lang po kung ok ba MA BX2 sa AV-200T?
tutunog, pero duda ako, 30 watt ang recommended minimum power,
kung baga sa tube dynaco st70, kung ss, paralleled LM3886 gainclone....
http://www.monitoraudio.co.uk/products/bronze-bx/bx2/#/specification
manghiram ka na lang muna and then hear it for yourself...kung magustuhan mo saka mo bilhin...
Post by: lem1121 on Nov 22, 2013 at 11:34 AM
Post by: ehmarzo on Nov 29, 2013 at 02:44 PM
Post by: ATJr. on Nov 29, 2013 at 09:01 PM
minsan pag ayaw unilaw ang mga octal tubes, resolder mo yung filament fins, 2 and 8 baka sakali...
Post by: ehmarzo on Nov 30, 2013 at 08:49 AM
visit their store at the ST Francis square near SM Megamall...
minsan pag ayaw unilaw ang mga octal tubes, resolder mo yung filament fins, 2 and 8 baka sakali...
Natatanggal ba yung pinaka tube dun sa plastc sa ilalim? Mukhang di naman pundido kasi nalaro ng anak ko lumuwag naiikot na yong glass sa pinaka itim na plastic.
Post by: ATJr. on Nov 30, 2013 at 08:55 AM
karaniwan sa octal tubes lumuluwag ang base,
kaya pag mali ang hawak mo pwedeng malagot yung pigtails sa loob....
kaya merong mga miniatures at compactrons na walang bases, to address that issue...
Post by: newbie pa rin on Dec 05, 2013 at 02:51 PM
What speakers do you pair with your tube amp?
Post by: xbase on Dec 06, 2013 at 02:20 AM
Post by: ATJr. on Dec 06, 2013 at 06:43 AM
Post by: xbase on Dec 06, 2013 at 03:07 PM
Post by: arbitrage on Dec 13, 2013 at 11:10 PM
http://hearhead.com/hyperaudio-av200t-review/
(http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r656/hearhead82/01-DSC04382_zpsc569840e.png) (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/hearhead82/media/01-DSC04382_zpsc569840e.png.html)
Post by: TOP 20 on Dec 14, 2013 at 12:00 AM
I'll be picking up tomorrow the one with no phono stage from Rene as well.
Post by: tony on Dec 15, 2013 at 08:35 AM
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,186888.0.html
Post by: tony on Dec 16, 2013 at 12:27 PM
Post by: oopsydaisy18 on Dec 17, 2013 at 02:51 PM
pu-pwede po bang ikabit ko dito yung konzert 200v ko? 200watts po ata yun speaker.. salamat sa reply!
Post by: roygee on Dec 19, 2013 at 11:06 AM
an officemate of mine asked me to build her a 2 channel set-up, budget is 10 to 12K.. i was thinking of getting her a sakura tube amp, which still gives me an ample budget for speakers..
anong speakers ang mag match kaya dito? please be specifc sa models na ma-reco niyo, thanks in advance!
Post by: balarila on Dec 19, 2013 at 11:16 AM
Also got an ipod cradle from Sulit. Have you also budgeted for your source?
Post by: roygee on Dec 19, 2013 at 11:27 AM
I got a pair of used Wharfedale 9.1 in excellent condition from one of the members in this forum. Very happy with my setup.
Also got an ipod cradle from Sulit. Have you also budgeted for your source?
thanks for the reco, will try out wharfs with sakura.. malamang brandnew na kunin since she's in a hurry ;D
source will be an ipod/android phone, malamang an ipod dock or bluetooth receiver will do. told her on-top of the budget pa yun, pati a voltage regulor.
how much pala inabot yung ipod dock niyo sir?
Post by: balarila on Dec 19, 2013 at 01:42 PM
Post by: TOP 20 on Dec 20, 2013 at 12:12 AM
Per balarila, okay na ka match ang Wharfedale 9.1. How about with the 10.1, may nakasubok na ba?
Thanks!
Post by: mixxx30 on Dec 25, 2013 at 04:17 PM
Post by: sansui on Jan 15, 2014 at 10:43 AM
Post by: remington on Jan 15, 2014 at 11:01 AM
Post by: m0b1u5 on Jan 15, 2014 at 11:10 AM
I bought a Sakura av-200T last December. Everytime time I turn it on, there is a humming sound fron my speakers that gets louder that finally terminates to a very loud popping sound. All these happens in a span of about 5 seconds. The av-200T then plays on as usual. I thought this was normal for the av-200T until yesterday when I noticed my Wharfedale speakers giving rattling sounds on normal listening volume. On inspection, it turned out that everytime I turn on the av-200T, the popping sound is actually caused by a huge speaker cone excursion caused by this amplifier. Sad to say, the rubber surrounds on both of my Wharfedales are torn. Can anyone help? Thank you in advance.having experienced a similar thud sound from my amplifiers, I thought of a solution using markcrenz creation. I used his amplifier switch so that there will be no connection to my speakers when I turn the power on. Then I toggle the switch after a few seconds and voila, not more thud sound. My amp will be due for modification soon and the thud sound may disappear but i will still keep the setup as a safety measure.
Post by: sansui on Jan 15, 2014 at 05:53 PM
Post by: esr101 on Jan 15, 2014 at 07:29 PM
The modified amp is definitely way better than the stock one.
Post by: sansui on Jan 15, 2014 at 07:49 PM
Post by: esr101 on Jan 15, 2014 at 08:14 PM
Bring it to Rene Rivo, the mods might help you out.
Post by: markymark8386 on Jan 22, 2014 at 09:15 AM
Anong gamit nyo to connect your ipod sa ampli na ito?
Post by: markymark8386 on Jan 22, 2014 at 09:30 AM
Any trusted shops where i can purchase this?
Post by: tony on Jan 22, 2014 at 10:54 AM
Post by: markymark8386 on Jan 26, 2014 at 09:19 AM
Post by: sansui on Jan 27, 2014 at 07:16 AM
Post by: navtech64 on Jan 28, 2014 at 04:09 PM
Post by: xbase on Jan 28, 2014 at 04:11 PM
Post by: tony on Jan 28, 2014 at 07:06 PM
1. this unit had a hairline crack on the board, very hard to see
with naked eye...
2. in order to avoid cathode poisoning, the two sections
of the triode buffers must be paralleled with jumpers,
in the picture, you will see that pin 1 and 6 are already
connected via pcb traces, so that two wire jumpers are
needed to complete the paralleling mod...
the 6N2 tubes are replaced with Japanese 6r-rh2 FUTABA triodes
which are better suited to lower voltages than the 6N2...
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_4154_zps1d14cb28.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/leoman53/media/IMG_4154_zps1d14cb28.jpg.html)
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 28, 2014 at 08:52 PM
I second that changing the tube to something that can operate on lower plate volts is most welcome, imho. I don't like the original "starving" arrangement, feed them right and they serve you right.
Post by: tony on Jan 28, 2014 at 09:03 PM
i have two units bought to me with the symptom,
tubes light up but not working,
replacing the tube briought it back to life....
actually just about any tube with the B9 base should work,
being of the cathode follower configuration,
in effect 100% feedback, so that it works all the time
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 28, 2014 at 11:56 PM
Post by: tony on Jan 29, 2014 at 07:54 AM
fragile stock tubes... I made a JLTi monoblock hybrid that only uses one section of a 6922 and it still works, more than 10 years already.
thousands of 6n2 tubes to dispose that's why.....
at 500 bucks, easily the best deal in PDVD last year,
the 7806 ic for filament supply fried taking the power transformer with it,
my fix was just a resistor to limit current, no more semicons that can fry.....
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_4028_zps82bb16b1.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/leoman53/media/IMG_4028_zps82bb16b1.jpg.html)
Post by: markymark8386 on Jan 29, 2014 at 08:02 AM
Post by: tony on Jan 29, 2014 at 08:10 AM
Na no-nose bleed ako. Too many jargons hehe
your technician will understand......
also these posts will show up in search engines so that
those looking for info will find them useful.
Post by: markymark8386 on Jan 29, 2014 at 08:32 AM
Or, am i better of getting bookshelfs? Im thinking budget wise.
Post by: tony on Jan 29, 2014 at 08:37 AM
are no longer servieable, but the speakers are still good, i use them to test new amps....
simmilar to this one:
(http://cdn2.sulitstatic.com/images/2012/0714/04415112_04304663520e885a5af55d64a159fc50a230026fc78ff5c4d.jpg)
Post by: markymark8386 on Jan 29, 2014 at 08:56 AM
Ok na kaya yun?
^i use a pair of aiwa mini-compo speakers, the rest of the minicompo electronics
are no longer servieable, but the speakers are still good, i use them to test new amps....
simmilar to this one:
(http://cdn2.sulitstatic.com/images/2012/0714/04415112_04304663520e885a5af55d64a159fc50a230026fc78ff5c4d.jpg)
Post by: tony on Jan 29, 2014 at 11:45 AM
Post by: markymark8386 on Jan 29, 2014 at 12:43 PM
only one way to find out......try it and see if you like it...:D
only one way to find out......try it and see if you like it...:D
only one way to find out......try it and see if you like it...:D
Post by: bosyo on Jan 30, 2014 at 10:46 AM
(http://i58.tinypic.com/2558kds.jpg)
ibibigay ko na sana sa father ko yang speakers na pioneer S-HS55 5.1 kasama ang receiver year 1999 ko pa nabili
kaya lang nagbago ang isip ko nang ipahiram sa aking nang friend ko ang sakura niya.
add lang ako nang cheap na tweeter 100 pesos pair na hehehe.
sulit na sulit talaga :)
player: foobar + asio
soundcard: audigy 2 platinum
(http://i60.tinypic.com/2zef52a.jpg)
galit galit muna sa 5.1 na setup.
Post by: markymark8386 on Jan 30, 2014 at 08:52 PM
Sulit speakers + sulit amp
Post by: markymark8386 on Jan 30, 2014 at 08:54 PM
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e187/markymark8386/IMG_20140130_200023_zps7f78b903.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/markymark8386/media/IMG_20140130_200023_zps7f78b903.jpg.html)
Post by: markymark8386 on Jan 30, 2014 at 08:55 PM
Post by: navtech64 on Feb 02, 2014 at 10:44 PM
Post by: markymark8386 on Feb 03, 2014 at 01:51 PM
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e187/markymark8386/IMG_20140202_162511_zpscf480af4.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/markymark8386/media/IMG_20140202_162511_zpscf480af4.jpg.html)
Post by: remington on Feb 03, 2014 at 02:49 PM
Post by: xbase on Feb 03, 2014 at 03:20 PM
Sulit talaga.
(http://i58.tinypic.com/2558kds.jpg)
player: foobar + asio
soundcard: audigy 2 platinum
player: foobar + asio
soundcard: audigy 2 platinum
Nice setup! enjoy!
Post by: xbase on Feb 03, 2014 at 03:23 PM
Heres my proper setup sa masters bedroom. Ive changed my speakers to energy bookshelves. Ummm... Just wondering if ok lang ba ang spacing between the speakers and the amp?
(http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e187/markymark8386/IMG_20140202_162511_zpscf480af4.jpg) (http://s39.photobucket.com/user/markymark8386/media/IMG_20140202_162511_zpscf480af4.jpg.html)
you can experiment sa spacing ng speakers, kung anu maganda tunog para sa 'yo, un ang best. kahit malapit sa amp ok lang... how does it sound with your setup?
Post by: markymark8386 on Feb 03, 2014 at 10:27 PM
Post by: drummerjun on Feb 04, 2014 at 04:43 PM
Post by: markymark8386 on Feb 04, 2014 at 05:39 PM
Hi sirs, saan pa available ang av200t? I'm looking to buy one. thanks
Post by: xbase on Feb 04, 2014 at 05:40 PM
Hi sirs, saan pa available ang av200t? I'm looking to buy one. thanks
try mo sa automatic center, got my unit sa greenhills. they offer 0% interest...
Post by: egzbuen on Feb 05, 2014 at 05:32 AM
try mo sa automatic center, got my unit sa greenhills. they offer 0% interest...
How much do they give it there at both cash/straight charge and installment?
Post by: m0b1u5 on Feb 05, 2014 at 08:41 AM
Post by: drummerjun on Feb 05, 2014 at 12:05 PM
Post by: xbase on Feb 05, 2014 at 01:14 PM
How much do they give it there at both cash/straight charge and installment?
P4750 got it 24mos %0, less than P200/mo... not sure sa straight since i availed the installment.
Post by: tony on Feb 07, 2014 at 11:58 AM
this amp has a built in speaker delay relay...3 sec to about 6 secs...
the purpose of this relay is to avoid annoying turn on thumps...
if you purchased a unit that shows this type of symptoms,
return it to the seller to have it repaired for free
if you are still under a 1 year warranty period...
Post by: xbase on Feb 07, 2014 at 12:04 PM
just a heads up to those who purchased this amp.
this amp has a built in speaker delay relay...3 sec to about 6 secs...
the purpose of this relay is to avoid annoying turn on thumps...
if you purchased a unit that shows this type of symptoms,
return it to the seller to have it repaired for free
if you are still under a 1 year warranty period...
salamat sa info sir tony.
sa umpisa lang meron sa unit ko, after a while wala na pag uminit na amp. kahit on/off na. but i always set vol to min before turning on/off...
i dont care the minimal thump, will it affect the future performance of the amp?
Post by: tony on Feb 07, 2014 at 12:17 PM
Post by: markymark8386 on Feb 08, 2014 at 11:42 PM
Post by: tony on Feb 09, 2014 at 07:18 AM
hindi naman delikado kung power off ka na...
turn down mo yung volume bago ka mag power off...
i do this on most of my gears...
Post by: sansui on Feb 09, 2014 at 09:48 AM
Post by: tony on Feb 09, 2014 at 11:02 AM
i am not in this for the business, i sell ideas mostly...
if i can help, i am happy.....:D
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 09, 2014 at 02:24 PM
Totally for free, I'll pay for whatever parts I use and install.
Cheers
Post by: markymark8386 on Feb 09, 2014 at 04:50 PM
Post by: tony on Feb 09, 2014 at 05:14 PM
the best thing to do is to give feedback to the seller,
after sales service requires that he fixes that problem
it is his responsibility, specially if the one year warranty
period has not yet lapsed....
that is why i frown upon tampering with your units
prematurely and within the warranty period....
i have a Sakura amp repaired and was taken today by the owner,
but i wouldn't want to tinker with these Sakura AV200's
if still under warranty, lugi kayo nyan.....
Post by: sansui on Feb 09, 2014 at 06:13 PM
Post by: tony on Feb 09, 2014 at 06:45 PM
and most important, these issues needs to be addressed at their expense,
not at the buyer's', any scrupulous seller will do this, it goes without saying...
as early as two years ago i have pointed out design flaws but the sellers
seem disinterested, after all a broken Sakura amp opens up opportunities
for others to make money at the expense of end users....
Post by: sansui on Feb 09, 2014 at 09:03 PM
Post by: sansui on Feb 09, 2014 at 09:09 PM
Post by: JojoD818 on Feb 09, 2014 at 09:15 PM
I have been approached so many times and still have no plans of accepting any mods for this amp. Just this once, and totally for free, no strings attached - promise.
Post by: markymark8386 on Feb 09, 2014 at 09:36 PM
I cured the annoying and ocassionally loud popping sound when turning off by using an AVR. After listening, I turn off the AVR first before the Sakura av-200t.
Post by: TOP 20 on Feb 09, 2014 at 10:16 PM
Post by: choyb on Feb 09, 2014 at 10:18 PM
My offer still stands.pm sent!
I have been approached so many times and still have no plans of accepting any mods for this amp. Just this once, and totally for free, no strings attached - promise.
Post by: sansui on Feb 09, 2014 at 10:26 PM
Post by: bosyo on Feb 10, 2014 at 09:56 PM
habang wala pang AN Super 8 driver
(http://i58.tinypic.com/ng9g6a.jpg)
burn-in ko muna ang baffles with Crown Super 8
mura lang yan php 320.00 x 2 + 100 pair na tweeter
hahahhaa
Post by: lars0914 on Feb 17, 2014 at 10:30 AM
sir diy_master of a audio sir anong bookshelf nyo po ang pwede sa amp na ito ung pang entry level lang po since sa room ko lang xa gagamitin thanks :)
Post by: lars0914 on Feb 17, 2014 at 11:10 AM
kailan kayo lilipat? me store blessing ba? :D
sir meron kapa sakura AV200? anog bookshelf speaker naka pair?
Post by: tony on Feb 17, 2014 at 12:37 PM
My unit also has a slight thud upon powering on, after the clicking of the relay but it's not loud. You won't hear it unless you put an ear near the speakers.
the correct delay should be around 3 secs, more does not hurt, so within 3 secs you should not hear anything from the speakers, if you do then you have an issue and you can return your unit for repair of outright replacement if within a day of two...
if you hear a thud right after turn-on, then that means that the time delay relay is not working as it should,
you are entitle to a unit that does....
i wouldn't worry much about thuds when powering down, it is not as critical as when powering on.....
Post by: TOP 20 on Feb 18, 2014 at 12:08 AM
the correct delay should be around 3 secs, more does not hurt, so within 3 secs you should not hear anything from the speakers, if you do then you have an issue and you can return your unit for repair of outright replacement if within a day of two...
if you hear a thud right after turn-on, then that means that the time delay relay is not working as it should,
you are entitle to a unit that does....
i wouldn't worry much about thuds when powering down, it is not as critical as when powering on.....
Thanks for the advice Tony!
Post by: tony on Feb 18, 2014 at 05:29 PM
Post by: markymark8386 on Feb 18, 2014 at 06:20 PM
It also pops loudly when the electric fan is turned off. Baka magkasunog pa. This popping issue on our electrical doesnt appear when using my yamaha amp, leaving the sakura amp as culprit.
May 1yr warranty pa yung amp but ayoko na sumalit ulo kakabalik and risk the amp having scratches lalo na acrylic panel in process of repair (di naman enthusiast mga technician dun to care for the cosmetic aspect) and no guarantees that they will accept or fix the problem. So in short, im glad im done with my sakura amp. Hehe.
Post by: krimxon on Mar 13, 2014 at 10:37 PM
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Post by: remington on Mar 14, 2014 at 09:05 PM
Post by: tony on Mar 15, 2014 at 08:01 AM
the small tubes are buffers, aka cathode followers, the big tubes rectifiers..
some call it a hybrid.....
i am not sure that is the correct term.....:D
but for the price, like all things China, it is a bang for buck amp....
Post by: mickerru on Mar 28, 2014 at 09:59 PM
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Post by: pTrader on May 07, 2014 at 10:48 AM
Post by: tony on May 07, 2014 at 11:12 AM
may static yung amp ko, paano mawawala yun.. at parang grounded.. pa help naman po... thanks
ibalik mo sa binilhan mo...responsibility nilang irepair yan...
Post by: pTrader on May 07, 2014 at 07:00 PM
ibalik mo sa binilhan mo...responsibility nilang irepair yan...
Malayo sir ibiyahe yung unit... baka mayroon sa forumer na naka-experience ng parehong issue like mine..
Post by: tony on May 07, 2014 at 07:23 PM
what do you mean by static? parang grounded, ano yon? saan ang place mo?
Post by: pTrader on May 07, 2014 at 07:56 PM
i have repaired a lot of these amps, kaso sa description mo hindi maliwanag..
what do you mean by static? parang grounded, ano yon? saan ang place mo?
there is low static sound like hissing sound na sumasabay sounds output both left and right .
when you touch metallic cover at volume control knob ng bass at treble, this produce loud hissng sound (gizzshisssssss).
sensya na hirap explain yung sound pero parang gizzshisssssss sound.
Post by: pTrader on May 09, 2014 at 11:53 AM
salamat sa pag entertain ng concern ko.. i have researched, yung ugong na sound normal pala sa tube amp..
Post by: tony on May 09, 2014 at 11:57 AM
how old is your Sakura? was it like that when you first bought it?
i heard a story from one who bought it that there was a thump when first powered on,
and several units tried were like that, so what he does is not connect the speakers
until some time has elapsed, and i say it shouldn't be like that at all...
Post by: pTrader on May 11, 2014 at 06:50 PM
it could any of various things, could be a loose ic, etc...
how old is your Sakura? was it like that when you first bought it?
i heard a story from one who bought it that there was a thump when first powered on,
and several units tried were like that, so what he does is not connect the speakers
until some time has elapsed, and i say it shouldn't be like that at all...
1 1/2 years I suppose, I got it as a second hand item. The thump is manageable considering that you need to wait for 3 to 5 seconds before connecting the speakers.
The only thing that I need to have this unit serviced is the grounding system.
thanks..
Post by: dom_08 on May 24, 2014 at 12:04 PM
namiss ko bigla yung AV200T ko, i think so far yun yung best amp na namatch ko sa Celestion 9 ko.
Sakura AV200T -> dual SMSL 36 -> single B&O ICE amp. malinis tumunog naman lahat, hirap yung SMSL, pero kaya naman at reasonable levels. for some reason, mas malambing lang tumunog talaga yung Sakura.
sa mga nagtatanong ng bagay na speakers for this amp, try niyo yung Celestion 5/9. :) with the proper placement, you'll get good enough bass extension.
madali lang ba patayin mga LED light nito? para puro tube lang umiilaw? parang mas ok tingnan yun :)
Post by: eliahp on May 28, 2014 at 10:03 AM
Sirs, Possible ba to convert this amp into a pure tube amp?
If Hyperaudio managed to do some mods in the amp baka posible din na i-convert this amp into pure tube.
Just use the chasis etc.
Thanks
Post by: tony on May 28, 2014 at 10:27 AM
Rene added an ic phono stage to the Sakura...
the two peanut tubes are cathode followers, not really needed....
the two big rectifiers supply +-6vdc, can be done with zeners only
as it is already there, tapping from the +-15 which is regulated is easy...
the tubes in the Sakura 200 are there as eye candy....
Post by: egzbuen on May 28, 2014 at 07:46 PM
Thanks.
Post by: panzimus on May 28, 2014 at 08:09 PM
Post by: bosyo on May 30, 2014 at 11:36 PM
sakuuuura power : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PztZPghTRA
:)
Post by: tony on Jun 03, 2014 at 10:33 AM
ito nag trip lang
sakuuuura power : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PztZPghTRA
:)
nice cilp there bosyo...:D
Post by: egzbuen on Jun 03, 2014 at 10:58 AM
^^maybe a 3.55mm (via headphone out) to RCA interconnect will do?
How would the quality of the sound be compared to a USB connection as regards other gadgets/equipment?
Thanks.
Post by: panzimus on Jun 05, 2014 at 10:59 PM
Post by: egzbuen on Jun 06, 2014 at 08:39 AM
that would depend on how good the built in dac of your tablet. if you could use an external dac in between of your tablet and amp, that would be better.
Cool. What can you suggest as a budget DAC that would perfectly blend and work well with that setup (Blackberry Playbook > DAC > AV-200T)?
Post by: supermanster on Jun 10, 2014 at 08:24 AM
Nung isang gabi I decided kuhain sa baul yung AV-200t at yung bookshelf speaker. Ni hook ko sya sa PLatinum BMB-one karaoke namin. Akala ko sira na yung amp kasi nun una ayaw tumunog pero umilaw naman yung mga tube sa gitna. Pinagpalit palit ko lang yung connectors at yung selector knob and then ayun nagulat ako biglang tumunog.
Nagtest kame ng songs at videoke songs at maganda pala sya tumunog :)
Here is the actual photo of the set-up, parang yung Bmb-One na ang magiging cd player ko nito.
(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p572/chicomark13/10434267_549577155152814_3220462760278232947_n.jpg)
(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p572/chicomark13/10366245_549577178486145_2259655665723629926_n.jpg)
Post by: pTrader on Jun 10, 2014 at 10:40 AM
I have this moded AV-200T bought from sir Anthony i thinkg mga 2-3 year na together with A-Audio Bookshelf speaker. Di ko sya nagamit dahil sobrang busy at mas gusto ko manuod ng movies plus hinde ako maka timing sa Market place ng decent CD player.Ano model ng BS speakr mo sir?
Nung isang gabi I decided kuhain sa baul yung AV-200t at yung bookshelf speaker. Ni hook ko sya sa PLatinum BMB-one karaoke namin. Akala ko sira na yung amp kasi nun una ayaw tumunog pero umilaw naman yung mga tube sa gitna. Pinagpalit palit ko lang yung connectors at yung selector knob and then ayun nagulat ako biglang tumunog.
Nagtest kame ng songs at videoke songs at maganda pala sya tumunog :)
Here is the actual photo of the set-up, parang yung Bmb-One na ang magiging cd player ko nito.
(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p572/chicomark13/10434267_549577155152814_3220462760278232947_n.jpg)
(http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p572/chicomark13/10366245_549577178486145_2259655665723629926_n.jpg)
Post by: supermanster on Jun 10, 2014 at 10:43 AM
Ano model ng BS speakr mo sir?
Haha, sa totoo lang sir nalimutan ko na. Isa sa mga collection ni si Anthony yan eh pero diko na maalala exact model.
Main purpose ko talaga dati is to set-up a Music/Audio set-up para sa small room ko. Kaya yung kinuha kong BS is for that purpose.
Post by: pTrader on Jun 10, 2014 at 10:45 AM
Haha, sa totoo lang sir nalimutan ko na. Isa sa mga collection ni si Anthony yan eh pero diko na maalala exact model.
Main purpose ko talaga dati is to set-up a Music/Audio set-up para sa small room ko. Kaya yung kinuha kong BS is for that purpose.
May amp ako na ganito and looking for a suitable BS... ngayon lang ako nagsisimula sa Hifi hifi na yan eh.. :)
Post by: kolomennoi on Jun 11, 2014 at 05:59 AM
I have been reading this thread from page 1, and am seriously considering purchasing one this coming Sunday (SWMBO gave the green light ^__^).
I just want your inputs please. I currently own a HTIB from Philips (HTS3366) but the player/amp got wet during habagat last year and it stopped working. I still have the speakers and my plan is to connect the 2 speakers to the SAKURA AVT 200. I also want to connect the passive sub, but I'm not sure if it can power it up. Here are the specs of the speakers..
Loudspeakers
Satellite Speaker: 2 Floor standing pillars
Satellite speaker drivers: 3" full range woofer
Satellite speaker impedance: 3 ohm
Satellite speaker freq range: 150-20000 Hz
Center Speaker: Magnetically shielded, 3 way
Center speaker drivers: 1 x 2" tweeter, 2 x 2.5" woofers
Center speaker impedance: 6 ohm
Center freq range: 150-20000 Hz
Subwoofer driver: 6.5" high efficiency woofer
Subwoofer impedance: 6 ohm
Subwoofer freq range: 40-150 Hz
Subwoofer type: Passive
The plan is to get the tube amp and connect the 2 speakers + passive sub. This will be used in a small room, roughly 20 square ft. for 70% music and 30% movies.
This is my first post and thanks in advance!
Post by: supermanster on Jun 11, 2014 at 06:43 AM
Post by: tony on Jun 11, 2014 at 07:05 AM
Additional inquiry po. Anu po bang suitable subwoofer na pwede ihook dito sa ating sakura av200t?
any powered sub will do...
Post by: supermanster on Jun 11, 2014 at 08:08 AM
any powered sub will do...
Copy Sir. Thanks for your prompt reply. Currently this is my set-up. Makakatulong po ba yung subwoofer para mag improved yung output ng system ko?
Post by: tony on Jun 11, 2014 at 10:15 AM
Copy Sir. Thanks for your prompt reply. Currently this is my set-up. Makakatulong po ba yung subwoofer para mag improved yung output ng system ko?
the Sakura has a mono low-pass filter that combined the left and the right channel lows into a single channel,
this is just one option, most powered subs lets you connect the speaker terminals into it, another option...
Post by: tony on Jun 11, 2014 at 10:16 AM
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2 speakers + passive sub
you need a powered sub...
Post by: supermanster on Jun 11, 2014 at 02:40 PM
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Post by: paradayms on Jun 15, 2014 at 02:13 PM
Post by: tony on Jun 15, 2014 at 06:17 PM
yung original na 6N2 equivalent to 12ax7 pero 6 volts ang filament so hindi pwede ang 12ax7..
Post by: KALUIT on Jun 19, 2014 at 12:56 AM
Rene added an ic phono stage to the Sakura...
the two peanut tubes are cathode followers, not really needed....
the two big rectifiers supply +-6vdc, can be done with zeners only
as it is already there, tapping from the +-15 which is regulated is easy...
the tubes in the Sakura 200 are there as eye candy....
sir tony...judging from this revelation...then the tube doesn't contribute at all to the SQ of this amplifier.
in short its a fake...isn't?
Post by: tony on Jun 19, 2014 at 06:46 AM
^converting that to a pure SS amp is more viable...
Rene added an ic phono stage to the Sakura...
the two peanut tubes are cathode followers, not really needed....
the two big rectifiers supply +-6vdc, can be done with zeners only
as it is already there, tapping from the +-15 which is regulated is easy...
the tubes in the Sakura 200 are there as eye candy....
sir tony...judging from this revelation...then the tube doesn't contribute at all to the SQ of this amplifier.
in short its a fake...isn't?
yes, the tubes in that amp are for show only......
but even so, the price of the amp is hard to beat
and some folks actually enjoy the sound....
i was able to get rid of the 2 big tubes in one of my mods...
i was about to get rid of the small tubes,
pero nahingi ng bayaw ko kaya hindi natuloy....
one day i might just be able to do that...
Post by: KALUIT on Jun 20, 2014 at 09:33 PM
sir tony...so how's the VT PCB layout, can it be modified to act as an preamp stage?
Post by: tony on Jun 21, 2014 at 07:49 AM
Thanks for the reply...i was on planning to get this sakura amplifier after reading the whole thread. But when i read your post on how this vacuum tube were included in the circuit design...uhmmm...i will think again.
sir tony...so how's the VT PCB layout, can it be modified to act as an preamp stage?
it is a preamp stage with 2 op amps....
it can be modified to get rid of the 2 big tubes easily, all you need are just 2 resistors.
Post by: KALUIT on Jun 21, 2014 at 11:53 AM
Post by: tony on Jun 21, 2014 at 01:00 PM
Sorry sir tony, what i meant was...to act as preamp? not just a decoration on the preamp stage.
yes, but the ensuing cost is not worth the effort imho,
remember that this is a low cost amp..
if i were to do it in my sakura amp, probably worth it...
not so if you are getting someone do it for you,
if you get what i mean.....
Post by: pTrader on Jun 25, 2014 at 01:18 PM
it is a preamp stage with 2 op amps....
it can be modified to get rid of the 2 big tubes easily, all you need are just 2 resistors.
paano sir ito, i mean decoration lang yung big tubes?
Post by: docrob on Jun 25, 2014 at 01:31 PM
but for me the glow of the tubes especially when it's dark gives a relaxing atmosphere resulting to a pleasurable listening experience 8)
just as long as you accept the sakura for what it is it's a fine integrated amp ;)
Post by: tony on Jun 25, 2014 at 03:46 PM
paano sir ito, i mean decoration lang yung big tubes?
let us just say it was a complex solution to a very simple problem....;)
Post by: pTrader on Jun 26, 2014 at 11:53 AM
let us just say it was a complex solution to a very simple problem....;)
very deceiving naman yun...
Post by: tony on Jun 26, 2014 at 12:29 PM
very deceiving naman yun...
not really, to the casual end-user, it is all about the sounds vs.
the cost that makes the difference, all that should matter to them... :D
building amps is just like cooking food, the cook selects ingredients
to get that sought after taste, he is not limited in his choices.... ;)
myself can not complain about this amp which is truly a bang for the buck,
there is no other amp like this...for the price, which diy'er here can make one like this? 8)
Post by: JojoD818 on Jun 26, 2014 at 09:00 PM
very deceiving naman yun...
depends on your point of view. nowadays, anything that has a tube in it is mistaken for a tube amp. just like anyone who owns something that has a tube is known as a "tubero". give that same person a screwdriver and some selfie shots and his a master.
no self respecting diy'er will implement something like that, I can be wrong though.
Post by: markcrenz on Jun 26, 2014 at 09:36 PM
no self respecting diy'er will implement something like that, I can be wrong though.I doubt you can be wrong on that. Deceive-It-Yourself? ;D
Post by: tony on Jun 27, 2014 at 06:57 AM
the Chinese are very good at that, i have to give them credit...;)
we all know how the chinese business man thinks,
kahit mamera lang ang ganansya, basta libo libong items ang mabenta,
malaki ang kita...
Post by: pTrader on Jun 27, 2014 at 08:54 AM
Post by: tony on Jun 27, 2014 at 09:05 AM
knowing all these, so how to make the sakura tube amp really a tube amp?
costly.....
and when done will cost many time more than the Sakura...
i have a plan, but then hindi na Sakura amp ang kalalabasan,
i am looking for a beat up sakura to play with...
it can be done.....a 2A3 SET perhaps....
or a 7403 pentode triode wired....
Post by: JojoD818 on Jun 28, 2014 at 06:36 PM
I doubt you can be wrong on that.
I sincerely hope not... can't imagine what the next generation will be like.
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Deceive-It-Yourself? ;D
Just like buying an already built amp and saying you build it...
Post by: tony on Jun 28, 2014 at 06:44 PM
he's just one importer, there could be others bringing in this amp...
Post by: JojoD818 on Jun 28, 2014 at 06:44 PM
knowing all these, so how to make the sakura tube amp really a tube amp?
you buy it as it is, don't "make" it what it's not. or just buy something else that's specifically what you are looking for.
as you can see from the previous pages, it's not a bad amp, there are those who enjoy it as it is and what it is. so ultimately, either love it or don't make it loveable.
don't get a scooter and soup it up to run fast, get a big bike instead.
Post by: tony on Jun 28, 2014 at 06:47 PM
who will want to add some sugar and spices to their cake...
we have warned them but still they come.....
i had to turn down several requests for mods,
instead i ask them to go to rene rivo instead....
rene has mods for this amp... :D
Post by: tony on Jun 29, 2014 at 11:00 AM
i have been told that someone brought in 100 units of this Sakura amp....
he's just one importer, there could be others bringing in this amp...
assuming landed cost is 2500...
selling it for 4000 will give you a profit of 150,000 pesos easy,
kaching, kaching ang cash register!!!!.....:D >:D >:D >:D
modding it to have a phono stage for a cost of 2000 each,
and selling it for 8000 nets you additional profit of 200,000...
so for the 100 Sakuras that you bring in, you stand to earn 350k,
ayaw ka pa noon?
cheap china imports are killing the local electronics business,
that is the sad reality of it.... :-X
say you are selling a diy amp for 30k, but how many can you sell in a months' time
1 or two? even if you have a profit of say 15k, hindi makakabuhay ng pamilaya yan... ::)
but the end-users as always turns out to be the big winner... ;) ;) ;)
Post by: paradayms on Jul 01, 2014 at 12:53 PM
Post by: tony on Jul 01, 2014 at 02:19 PM
sorry medyo OP: Sir tony, ask ko lang normal lang ba talaga na meron tubes na mahina ang glow kht bago pa?
yes, depende yan sa tube, merong tubes na akala mo hindi gumagana....
meron din namang tubes na parang light bulb sa simula....
amg importante gumagana ng mahusay yung equipment...
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Post by: rochie on Jul 03, 2014 at 04:05 PM
YUMMMY!!!!! >:D >:D >:D
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nung kinuha namin to ni dandy tsaka ni fantom kanya kanyang hula kami kung para saan to hehehehe. pabulong naman sir Tony kung saan mo gagamitin yang mga yan at baka meron somobrang pcb.
Post by: tony on Jul 03, 2014 at 05:03 PM
nung kinuha namin to ni dandy tsaka ni fantom kanya kanyang hula kami kung para saan to hehehehe. pabulong naman sir Tony kung saan mo gagamitin yang mga yan at baka meron somobrang pcb.
sure...i will give you one....;)
Post by: cHiNo2728 on Jul 08, 2014 at 07:24 AM
sure...i will give you one....;)
Pabulong din sir kung saan mo gagamitin yan.
Post by: tony on Jul 08, 2014 at 07:27 AM
Pabulong din sir kung saan mo gagamitin yan.
ygpm....
Post by: eyeyousee™ on Jul 15, 2014 at 04:51 AM
Post by: TOP 20 on Jul 15, 2014 at 05:35 AM
Hello mga bossing, bakit maganda daw tumunog ang AV-200T kahit hindi naman sya tunay na de-tubo? At saka na fix na kaya yung old (unit) issues dito sa mga latest units? Gusto ko kasing bumili rin kung meron pa ba nito. Thanks!
Well, it sounds decent for it's price. Just don't expect it to be a miracle worker. You have to learn to live with its' limitations. I've been using mine for 7 months now, wala namang problema. Yung slight thud nawala na rin after constant usage. Di lang ako sure sa stock kasi I got mine from Rene Rivo.
Post by: tony on Jul 15, 2014 at 06:32 AM
Hello mga bossing, bakit maganda daw tumunog ang AV-200T kahit hindi naman sya tunay na de-tubo? At saka na fix na kaya yung old (unit) issues dito sa mga latest units? Gusto ko kasing bumili rin kung meron pa ba nito. Thanks!
yung ganda ng tunog, subjective yan.....
if you are happy with how it sounds despite its low cost,
then good for you, and be happy...
same parin ang issues...wala akong nakitang pagbabago...
but the model AV400 has a bit more power, about twice... ;)
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You have to learn to live with its' limitations.
+1...good post, this is true for all amps naman,
amps follow the laws of physics and thermodynamics....;)
Post by: markcrenz on Jul 15, 2014 at 09:45 AM
Hello mga bossing, bakit maganda daw tumunog ang AV-200T kahit hindi naman sya tunay na de-tubo?maybe they haven't heard better
Post by: Gino on Jul 15, 2014 at 11:22 AM
Sa amp na ito, you get to hear a little bit of tube sound with your speakers for cheap.
Post by: tony on Aug 02, 2014 at 08:21 AM
maybe they haven't heard better
effects of a product being hyped....
Post by: TOP 20 on Aug 21, 2014 at 08:49 AM
Rene Rivo replaced the stock volume pot and it's working perfectly except that it kinda misses in between loudness levels.
I listen at moderate levels, mga 6 clicks or turns of the volume knob. Pero merong mga CDs na malakas na for me at that level. Now, when you turn it down a notch, sobrang hina naman. ;D
I really prefer yung pag pihit walang clicks para ma achieve yung desired level.
Any tips?
Post by: markcrenz on Aug 21, 2014 at 11:11 AM
Post by: Gino on Aug 21, 2014 at 11:26 AM
Post by: tony on Aug 21, 2014 at 11:36 AM
The best guy to solve that is Rene.
yes, and i wouldn't out of respect to Rene's stature make comments, you should let him fix that for you...;)
Post by: TOP 20 on Aug 22, 2014 at 02:08 AM
I'd pay Rene a visit on a holiday one of these days. The traffic along Osmena is the only thing that's stopping me.
Cheers bros!
Post by: gunslinger on Aug 22, 2014 at 08:00 AM
Post by: TOP 20 on Aug 22, 2014 at 08:09 AM
Tsaka wala naman yatang sira to fix. Its more of a preference for bro Top 20. Ganyan talaga tayo na may sakit sa audio. Always looking for that sweet spot between our gears and listening preferences.:)
Yup, nothing wrong with the amp and the volume pot bro, except that I kinda feel it misses that "imaginary" softness / loudness mark. Nasanay yata kasi ako sa mga volume knobs ng mga lumang amp. ;D
Post by: Gino on Aug 22, 2014 at 08:17 AM
Post by: tony on Aug 31, 2014 at 11:05 AM
this version of the sakura is latest one i think,
no speaker delay relay but then no turn-on thumps,
a big improvement by the Chinese... ;)
the power amp section has 3 boards mounted vertically
a departure from the early models...surface mount
components are used in these boards...it can only mean that
they are making this amps by the thousands.... >:D
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Post by: docrob on Aug 31, 2014 at 12:17 PM
how much going price ngayon master Tony?
Post by: tony on Aug 31, 2014 at 12:38 PM
ok yung newest version ng sakura amp with phono stage na ah
how much going price ngayon master Tony?
i added the phono stage, boards were made in china....no idea about the current price of the sakura these days....
Post by: JojoD818 on Aug 31, 2014 at 01:19 PM
Yup, nothing wrong with the amp and the volume pot bro, except that I kinda feel it misses that "imaginary" softness / loudness mark. Nasanay yata kasi ako sa mga volume knobs ng mga lumang amp. ;D
That is a valid concern. You shouldn't live with it. Find the time. That can be sorted out.
That's because it's cheaper to use linear pots rather than audio taper ones. Ang problema lang, biglang lakas - then biglang hina. All Sakura amps and their counterparts/rebadged versions use this.
Ang sabi nun supplier, it gives out daw the illusion of being "malakas", kasi kaunting pihit mo pa lang daw malakas na. Ang sabi ko naman, kaunting pihit pa - basag na. Di naman daw inaabot yun ganun kaya walang nagrereklamo.
Kaya nga mababasa niyo yun ibang amps ng Sakura are advertised to be matched with 400W to 500W speakers. So system matching din ang tinuturo nila.
In fairness, yun mga videoke machines na for rent ang lalakas ng mga tunog, yun iba nga naipapa barangay pa eh.
Post by: docrob on Sep 01, 2014 at 12:10 AM
i added the phono stage, boards were made in china....no idea about the current price of the sakura these days....
I see, husay talaga ni master Tony ;)
I hope you don't mind but do you plan to offer that option to sakura owners, sir? Thanks
Post by: tony on Sep 01, 2014 at 07:02 AM
I see, husay talaga ni master Tony ;)
I hope you don't mind but do you plan to offer that option to sakura owners, sir? Thanks
yes, why not? its a 4000 peso option.....:D
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Post by: docrob on Sep 01, 2014 at 07:19 PM
at least me option na phono stage for the sakura hybrid
Thanks sir T :)
Post by: pTrader on Sep 03, 2014 at 12:50 PM
Post by: tony on Sep 03, 2014 at 12:52 PM
where to get that phono stage board?
from me.....:D
Post by: pTrader on Sep 03, 2014 at 06:32 PM
Post by: tony on Sep 03, 2014 at 07:35 PM
yung phono stage mo, pwede gamitin sa ibang amp o pwede kong ilagay sa isang box with input/output terminal with correct power supply?
pwede rin....
Post by: igopyakobis on Oct 10, 2014 at 03:59 PM
Post by: nicky on Nov 02, 2014 at 11:03 PM
Post by: Superman on Nov 02, 2014 at 11:15 PM
Post by: tony on Nov 03, 2014 at 04:58 AM
Hello mga sirs, ask ko lang what is the possible cause bakit bigla na lang di na tumutunog yung av200 ko. Bago sya nawalan ng sound may naamoy nako sa amp na amoy sunog. Nkailaw naman lahat ng tubes. Almost 6 months palang sakin yung amp. Salamat sa mga magrereply.
under warranty pa yan, ibalik mo sa binilhan mo for after sales service...
Post by: nicky on Nov 04, 2014 at 10:24 AM
Post by: bosyo on Nov 04, 2014 at 10:49 AM
Post by: tony on Nov 04, 2014 at 11:53 AM
Naiisip ko kasi baka tumagal ng months bago bumalik. Kasi kaya ko din nmn magpalit ng component kung malalaman ko kung ano papalitan. Pero tama ka sir tony balik ko na lng under warranty pa naman. Salamat.
even if that happened to me, i will still bring it back to where i bought it, because that is the right thing to do....;)
Post by: bosyo on Nov 08, 2014 at 08:49 AM
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Notebook <--------HDMI -----------> Samsung TV <-------- Analog Out -------> SAKURA
Post by: tony on Nov 08, 2014 at 09:06 AM
Post by: bosyo on Nov 09, 2014 at 09:38 AM
^the Sakura has more power than the AMX tube amp, and the bass and treble control lets you tailor the sound to taste....
+ 1
oks na oks @master tony.
highly recommended talaga ang sakura
Post by: corpse grinder on Nov 09, 2014 at 03:40 PM
alam ko na gift ko sa x-mas hehehe
Post by: tony on Nov 10, 2014 at 01:54 PM
...na sounds ko yung sakura av-200t sa hi-fi show sa Defacto room 545 ay ang ganda pla talaga....
alam ko na gift ko sa x-mas hehehe
that will be the latest iteration, no more relays....sound has improved also...
Post by: pTrader on Nov 12, 2014 at 06:06 PM
Post by: lonto08 on Dec 02, 2014 at 05:16 PM
Share ko lang po bagong dating ng AV-200T. Thanks
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Mall SRP: 5,999.00
Kung sakin kayo kukuha at marami, pag usapan natin.
LAHAT po ay welcome magpa-Audition dito sa St. Francis Square (Beside Megamall)
0909 143 6027
0917 666 9642
Manuel Lonto
Post by: noelbantoc on Dec 02, 2014 at 05:36 PM
Post by: tony on Dec 02, 2014 at 06:53 PM
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Mall SRP: 5,999.00
dati 3,500 lang ang kuha ko sa Raon....
Post by: lonto08 on Dec 03, 2014 at 01:27 PM
dati 3,500 lang ang kuha ko sa Raon....
Opo Sir Tony, Meron nga daw 3.5k. Im not sure kung sa SAKURA nila kinukuha.
Post by: lonto08 on Dec 03, 2014 at 01:30 PM
Ah ok yan. Share ko lang one time may nagpunta dito sa store namin dala yang tube amp n yan na sakura of course nagulat ako dahil sakura plus high end hifi audio system. Of course client kaya po need natin ma entertain...Sabi ko sir cge try po natin yung PSB Alpha B1 and Monitor Atom and n amaze ako s halagang wla pang 6k medyo ok na na drive nya ng at napalabas nya yung tunog na ok. Sabi ko sir pa modify mo once na kukunin mo to speaker ko para mas lma drive pa nya ng husto yung speaker ko. - Sir regards mo ko kay Jan.
Parang may naalala akong pinuntahan na Dealer sa Cubao, kay Mr. Chua. Okay ask ko si Jan Gilbert kung saan sya nag-audition ng AV-200T namin :)
Post by: tony on Dec 03, 2014 at 05:18 PM
no luck yung kaibigan ko, ayaw syang patulan ng factory...;)
Post by: bosyo on Dec 03, 2014 at 05:28 PM
meron bang nabago sa design o upgrade?
Post by: tony on Dec 03, 2014 at 05:44 PM
Post by: eliahp on Dec 03, 2014 at 05:57 PM
Post by: George SJ on Dec 04, 2014 at 08:08 PM
Post by: tony on Dec 05, 2014 at 07:07 AM
sir tony, may difference ba outside between the old and new sakura av200?
walang difference, malalaman mo lang pag binuksan mo ung ilalim....
Post by: stockHT on Jan 13, 2015 at 04:49 AM
ung latest model na nahawakan ko, wala ng speaker delay relay... at iba na rin ang power amplifier board...
Paging bossing Rene.. kasa ba sa mod mo to sa mga lumang sakura?
Post by: stockHT on Jan 13, 2015 at 04:50 AM
Post by: tony on Jan 13, 2015 at 07:52 AM
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iinit ang tubes?
yung two big tubes very small ang current delivery,
so heat generated by this tube mostly due to filament heating,
same with the two front peanut tubes....
this SAKURA AV200 is a tube buffered solid state amplifier..
this is not a true tube amplifier...
true tube power amps will have more heat simply because it uses tube all throughout....
Post by: egzbuen on Jan 16, 2015 at 09:02 PM
If I buy a Samsung BD-H 4500 BD player and would use it as a dedicated CD player for the AV-200T, what other gear can I buy to make it work? I was thinking of an external DAC, am I right?
Please take note that this specific Samsung model has no other outputs but HDMI....
Finally. would a Fiio work well with this tube amp? What other DAPs would you guys recommend?
Thanks
Post by: bosyo on Jan 27, 2015 at 10:29 AM
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Coaxial Speaker
5.25" Kevlar Neodymium
1" Titanium Dome Neodymiun Tweeter
Post by: egzbuen on Jan 27, 2015 at 01:30 PM
buhay pa sakura !!!
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Coaxial Speaker
5.25" Kevlar Neodymium
1" Titanium Dome Neodymiun Tweeter
What player are you using
Post by: bosyo on Jan 27, 2015 at 02:16 PM
What player are you using
PC behind the TV with slim case.
PC <--- hdmi --> TV <--- analog pre out ----> AMP
OS: Ubuntu 14.10
Player: DeadBeef and Spotify
:)
Post by: egzbuen on Jan 27, 2015 at 02:40 PM
PC behind the TV with slim case.
PC <--- hdmi --> TV <--- analog pre out ----> AMP
OS: Ubuntu 14.10
Player: DeadBeef and Spotify
:)
I see, thanks buddy.
Post by: hyperaudio on Jan 29, 2015 at 08:27 AM
One of the upgrades I made with my Hyperaudio Hotrod Hybrid Sakura (H3S) AV-200T that made a significant improvement is the Japan-made Noble 41-step detented logarithmic potentiometer. The two-sections are closely tracking hence good channel balance at all levels. The carbon contacts are much better than the stock and not a slight crackle problem since I started installing them on my H3S (more than two years ago). And I love the musicality of carbon volume pots, esp. the Japanese-made ones.
There's a simple run-around with your complaint (about sudden change in levels with every click) without changing the pot - the volume can be set in between clicks, try it. Or we can remove the mechanical attachment that sets the clicks and have a very smooth action all the way :-)
May I ask if there's an old fashioned volume pot that can be a viable replacement for the modded AV-200T?
Rene Rivo replaced the stock volume pot and it's working perfectly except that it kinda misses in between loudness levels.
I listen at moderate levels, mga 6 clicks or turns of the volume knob. Pero merong mga CDs na malakas na for me at that level. Now, when you turn it down a notch, sobrang hina naman. ;D
I really prefer yung pag pihit walang clicks para ma achieve yung desired level.
Any tips?
Post by: yygoob on Jan 29, 2015 at 09:38 AM
Post by: geriboy on Jan 29, 2015 at 11:33 AM
san ba pwede magpayos or upgrade na sakura av 200...and magkano? thanks
try nyo po tawagan si sir Rene Rivo (hypertriode) at tanungin kung tumatanggap sya ng pagpapa-upgrade ng Sakura amplifier. :)
Post by: jhelenz on Jan 29, 2015 at 03:51 PM
Post by: tony on Jan 29, 2015 at 07:03 PM
Post by: TOP 20 on Jan 30, 2015 at 03:55 AM
Hi Top 20,
One of the upgrades I made with my Hyperaudio Hotrod Hybrid Sakura (H3S) AV-200T that made a significant improvement is the Japan-made Noble 41-step detented logarithmic potentiometer. The two-sections are closely tracking hence good channel balance at all levels. The carbon contacts are much better than the stock and not a slight crackle problem since I started installing them on my H3S (more than two years ago). And I love the musicality of carbon volume pots, esp. the Japanese-made ones.
There's a simple run-around with your complaint (about sudden change in levels with every click) without changing the pot - the volume can be set in between clicks, try it. Or we can remove the mechanical attachment that sets the clicks and have a very smooth action all the way :-)
Thanks for the tip hyperaudio. I'm still enjoying the H3S, it's been more than a year now. Also getting a lot of inputs via the H3S FB page. I'm in a quandary whether to have the phono stage installed or not. Reason for dilly dallying? No vinyl collection :). Thanks & more power!
Post by: Gino on Jan 30, 2015 at 07:27 AM
Post by: jhelenz on Jan 30, 2015 at 07:31 AM
i used the Sakura for watching movies. my 90db can really fill my room( about 40 square meters) with thunderous bass.....thanks sir
Post by: hyperaudio on Jan 30, 2015 at 01:33 PM
"Just a little rave on the Phono Preamp of the H3S:
I dont know what kind of electronic wizardry Rene employed with his Phono Pre but let me tell you that it is one of the most quiet preamps ive ever encountered. Not too mention that it is one of the most forgiving phono ins money can buy. A struggle with Vinyl has always been a cartridges tracking and sometimes even the highend ones have an over emphasized treble and when the stylus starts to go to the inner grooves a certain amount of distortion can occur.
I used to have a vintage Pioneer table with an original cart that seems to encounter this distortion in the inner grooves (on hindsight it may be a set up issue: IGD) but ive never had that treble distortion with using the H3S. Did a shoot out with a Tube Phono Pre from a local diyer and the H3S beat it by a mile.
Even the china tube amps suffer from a grounding and hum issue that seems to be missing from the H3S. If youve been dipping your toes in Tubes youll notice that lower hum and noise are some of the premium things you have to pay for.
I said "forgiving" since the tracks i play with it are almost always sweeter. Its like the H3S rolls off the jagged peaks and treble that makes mediocre pressings fatiguing to listen to.
My Dads a local speaker builder an we used that H3S in the last hifi show to power a diy bookshelf speaker and it did not disappoint.
Hats off sir Rene Rivo!"
Thanks for the tip hyperaudio. I'm still enjoying the H3S, it's been more than a year now. Also getting a lot of inputs via the H3S FB page. I'm in a quandary whether to have the phono stage installed or not. Reason for dilly dallying? No vinyl collection :). Thanks & more power!
Post by: TOP 20 on Feb 03, 2015 at 12:10 AM
Bro, the centerpiece of the H3S is the phono section. Although I am sure you are enjoying it with digital sources. Here's what our resident audio blogger, hearhead, says about the H3S' phono stage:
"Just a little rave on the Phono Preamp of the H3S:
I dont know what kind of electronic wizardry Rene employed with his Phono Pre but let me tell you that it is one of the most quiet preamps ive ever encountered. Not too mention that it is one of the most forgiving phono ins money can buy. A struggle with Vinyl has always been a cartridges tracking and sometimes even the highend ones have an over emphasized treble and when the stylus starts to go to the inner grooves a certain amount of distortion can occur.
I used to have a vintage Pioneer table with an original cart that seems to encounter this distortion in the inner grooves (on hindsight it may be a set up issue: IGD) but ive never had that treble distortion with using the H3S. Did a shoot out with a Tube Phono Pre from a local diyer and the H3S beat it by a mile.
Even the china tube amps suffer from a grounding and hum issue that seems to be missing from the H3S. If youve been dipping your toes in Tubes youll notice that lower hum and noise are some of the premium things you have to pay for.
I said "forgiving" since the tracks i play with it are almost always sweeter. Its like the H3S rolls off the jagged peaks and treble that makes mediocre pressings fatiguing to listen to.
My Dads a local speaker builder an we used that H3S in the last hifi show to power a diy bookshelf speaker and it did not disappoint.
Hats off sir Rene Rivo!"
Temting, really tempting...
But as much as I'm tempted to go back the vinyl route, I have to face the fact that it's too late in the day for me.
The day I purchased the H3S, it was during the first ever Vinyl ATBP bazaar. Seeing the crowd that turned up reminded me of my college days when I'd scour every record bar in the University Belt area in search of that "would be classic" and when new locally pressed LPs were just about 50 pesos a pop.
Anyway, enough of the nostalgia and back to the H3S. Again thanks for the tip. Now, I can listen to Shawn Colvin's A Few Small Repairs and Bruce Hornsby's Harbor Lights without a hitch. No more jarring change in levels. In between the 5th and 6th click, I finally found the sweet spot.
Thanks again!
Post by: egzbuen on Feb 05, 2015 at 11:39 AM
Thanks
Post by: tony on Feb 05, 2015 at 12:10 PM
Post by: Bemermeister on Mar 02, 2015 at 05:27 PM
Kamusta ang Fiio X5 mo as source? Maganda ang line out? :) Ano po speakers mo naka pair dito?hehe
Thanks!
Post by: egzbuen on Mar 03, 2015 at 11:44 PM
Sir Egzbuen,
Kamusta ang Fiio X5 mo as source? Maganda ang line out? :) Ano po speakers mo naka pair dito?hehe
Thanks!
I was initially disappointed with the X5's output using my cars OEM AVT HU (2014 Fort). Hooked up with my car's HU, the highs were tiring and fatiguing.
But, after hooking it up with my AV-200T tuned and sold by Anthony, paired with Anthony's FS which I got from him way back in 2010 (together with the AV-200T) but updated its tweets after a year..... WOW! Never appreciated jazz and other light music until now that I've used a X5. :p
I guess my car's HU was really built for iPods. :)
Post by: DTNS on Mar 04, 2015 at 06:42 AM
I was initially disappointed with the X5's output using my cars OEM AVT HU (2014 Fort). Hooked up with my car's HU, the highs were tiring and fatiguing.
But, after hooking it up with my AV-200T tuned and sold by Anthony, paired with Anthony's FS which I got from him way back in 2010 (together with the AV-200T) but updated its tweets after a year..... WOW! Never appreciated jazz and other light music until now that I've used a X5. :p
I guess my car's HU was really built for iPods. :)
or maybe your speakers need an upgrade. (and Anthony's FS just sound better) ;) ::) ;D
Post by: egzbuen on Mar 08, 2015 at 05:21 PM
I'm into my few weeks with my new x5. My initial thoughts when I posted here was the treble and highs were too tiring and fatiguing with this player attached to my cars HU. But wicked and awesome attached to my tube amp at home. And that the iPod was better with my car's HU than the x5, the HU being designed and optimized for iPod.
Boy was I wrong, I recently bumped into monoprice's website and ordered a few cables and wires from them. Apparently, there are different 3.5mm Jacks and, in particular, when the x5 is on a casing, you need to use a slimmer. Well, apparently, I had to use one as well for my Cars HU as my original 3.5mm couldn't attach fully resulting to the initial output. Alas, just got my mobile 3.5 Jacks from monoprice and now I see the big difference, not to mention hear it.
Anyway, just wanted to share.
Post by: songerph on Mar 09, 2015 at 06:54 PM
update lang. galing akong Raon/Puyat St. kahapon at nagtanong tanong ako sa mga shops dun ng sakura av-200t. ang average price nasa 4k pesos. nakipagtawaran din ako kahit hindi bibili haha. kaya pa namang ibaba ang price.
hindi ko lang alam kung old or new models ito. pero yun nga nagbebenta pa rin sila.
bibili ako next week :)))
Post by: tony on Mar 09, 2015 at 07:03 PM
Post by: zram18 on Mar 09, 2015 at 07:06 PM
Post by: songerph on Mar 10, 2015 at 02:41 AM
dun ka sa tapat ng deeco or alexan, balita ko lang kaya ng 3500 doon...yon ang mga new models na yung walang relay....
ahh dun sa kabilang street. sige sir, try ko dun. tnx :)
Post by: corpse grinder on Mar 10, 2015 at 10:55 AM
maraming salamat po.
Post by: tony on Mar 10, 2015 at 12:15 PM
no other bang for the buck amplifier to date than the sakura av200...
Post by: songerph on Mar 14, 2015 at 06:27 PM
sakura av-200t + wharfee diamond 10.2 = eargasm
ayos na. bang for the back talaga. sulit. swabe. pumogi ako bigla nung nakinig nako ng sounds.
sir tony, wala akong nakitang unit sa paligid ng deeco at alexan. kaya dun ako sa main street. nakipagtawaran ako sa kung san san at nakakuha ako ng 3800 with 1 year warranty (plus libreng wires hehe). mukhang depende sa mood ng mga tao dun ang presyo hahaha. (tsaka yung mga chinese na may-ari ng shops. bola-bolahin nyo lang)
fyi, sa raon bldg (along quezon blvd) mas mahal ang price (~5k). habang naglalakad ka along g.puyat street mas nagmumura ang prices (~4-4.5k).
nakalimutan ko yung shop na binilhan ko pero a kabilang side siya ng deeco/alexan street.
Post by: songerph on Mar 14, 2015 at 07:11 PM
1. ang init nung mga tubo na may ilaw
2. medyo mainit din yung hangin ng exhaust sa likod
3. kapag ino-on/off ko yung amp, wala naman akong naririnig na thump or any suspicious sound sa speakers
4. kapag naka-pause yung music, wala ring hissing or any feedback sound sa speakers
5. yung wharfee swabe ang performance kahit nilalakasan ko ang volume
6. i'm using copper wires na inipit ko lang. may advice ba kayo regarding wiring?
7. sarap makinig grabe. first time ko kasi magkaroon ng ganitong setup haha
Post by: tony on Mar 14, 2015 at 08:29 PM
2. matuwa ka, ibig sabihin nahihigop palabas yung init...
3. i-zero mo ang volume bago mo i turn off, kung turn off yan, more of an annoyance than a problem...
4. dapat lang...
5. good to know...
6. make sure the wires are thight, me problema pag maluwag ang pagkakaipit..
7. yes, ginamit ko rin yan sa movies, napadagundong nya yung Acoustic Audio ko na 3 way FS......
enjoy you sakura...
3800 is a very good price already....
Post by: songerph on Mar 14, 2015 at 10:52 PM
1.ganyan talaga ang tubes, some tubes can get as hot as 200*C that is why they are always mounted atop the chassis where there is plenty of air...do not touch or let kids touch it, nakakapaso ang tubes..
3. i-zero mo ang volume bago mo i turn off, kung turn off yan, more of an annoyance than a problem...
enjoy you sakura...
3800 is a very good price already....
Salamat sir tony! enjoy na agad ako e
Question sa #1. Dahil nga sa init, yung box sa likod pati glass sa baba umiinit din. Hindi ba masama to sa parts sa loob? Ok lang ba magdamag nakabukas yung amp like 6 hours?
sa #3.
pansin ko kapag on, may delay ilang seconds bago lumabas ang sounds.
kapag may volume tapos biglang off ng amp tsaka may thump na tunog. or kapag nagturn knob ako from different inputs. Hmm mukhang random din siya. Zero volume lang talaga gawin ko?
kahit zero volume basta after gamitin. may parang punit sound kapag off. kahit ipahinga ko. huhu. well pwede ko siguro bunutin yung speaker sa likod haha
Post by: tony on Mar 15, 2015 at 09:05 AM
yung speaker delay ay para walang turn on pops sa speakers, yung huling sakura na nahawakan ko hindi na gumamit ng relay kaya wala kang maririnig na click...kaya kung nararanasan mong faint sound ay dahil doon
hindi naman problema dahil pinatay mo na nga yung power...
pansinin mo, yung fan sa likod iikot lang pag may music na....nahinto pag tapos na yung music, IOW, nagpapahinga rin.....
Post by: songerph on Mar 15, 2015 at 06:45 PM
Post by: tony on Mar 16, 2015 at 08:07 AM
so ito nga yung bagong model?
yes, most likely revision number 3 or better pa...
Post by: songerph on Mar 20, 2015 at 02:22 PM
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Post by: songerph on Mar 22, 2015 at 08:07 PM
Post by: tony on Mar 22, 2015 at 08:21 PM
Post by: songerph on Mar 22, 2015 at 09:10 PM
Post by: tony on Mar 23, 2015 at 08:29 AM
nakakasira ba ng speakers yun?
hardly, like i said that is a mere annoyance than substantial.....
Post by: egzbuen on Mar 23, 2015 at 03:18 PM
hardly, like i said that is a mere annoyance than substantial.....
This is good to hear. :)
I have some gears giving out the same annoying sound.
Post by: songerph on Mar 23, 2015 at 04:20 PM
Thanks a lot sa info! :)
Post by: tony on Mar 23, 2015 at 06:23 PM
Post by: songerph on Mar 23, 2015 at 10:57 PM
Post by: tony on Mar 24, 2015 at 07:05 AM
try mo i zero ang volume, then unplug mo all input connections,
then i off mo, tignan natin kung me pinagkaiba...
Post by: pTrader on Mar 24, 2015 at 11:37 AM
ibinigay ko yung sakua tube ko sa kapatid ko, preparing to have tube amp again, any low cost recommendation, my speakers are 50w and 100w rating.
san meron nag latest version nito at paano mo malalamang latest version nga?
Post by: tony on Mar 24, 2015 at 11:47 AM
the earlier models, uses a speaker delay relay, (orange in color)....with #15 sticker..
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_4492_zpsarddi7og.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/leoman53/media/IMG_4492_zpsarddi7og.jpg.html)
the latest model i have opened up, notice upright modularised board, and the absence of a speaker delay relay...
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/leoman53/IMG_4841_zpsze5vogvv.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/leoman53/media/IMG_4841_zpsze5vogvv.jpg.html)
Post by: pTrader on Mar 26, 2015 at 09:59 AM
Post by: TOP 20 on Mar 27, 2015 at 03:17 AM
(https://scontent-hkg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11091483_623894704378301_7332342915649631135_n.jpg?oh=f4a75b605eaeff7e723d78b89cdf860c&oe=557A4FCF)
Listening to Stone Flower by Antonio Carlos Jobim.
Post by: songerph on Mar 28, 2015 at 01:28 AM
Post by: egzbuen on Mar 28, 2015 at 02:06 AM
Ang workaround ko sa ngayon for the turn-off pop sound is to use an extension/power strip na may mga individual switch. Imbes na switch ng amp ang gamitin ko yung sa extension na lang papatayin. Ok na yehey
Interesting, will try this out. Would this wok with an AVR?
Post by: songerph on Mar 28, 2015 at 03:11 AM
Post by: bosyo on Mar 28, 2015 at 06:10 AM
1. turn off connected devices to rca input/output then unplug to the wall socket.
2. turn amp volume to zero and off.
3. use different wall outlet for each devices
works well for me.
may marking din yung power cable nang amp
kung ano ang left sa wall outlet
nagtataka nga ako pag nabaliktad may pop sound
SAKURA power !!!
Post by: tony on Mar 28, 2015 at 07:28 AM
Ang workaround ko sa ngayon for the turn-off pop sound is to use an extension/power strip na may mga individual switch. Imbes na switch ng amp ang gamitin ko yung sa extension na lang papatayin. Ok na yehey
good to know you found a work around,
i also use a power strip where all my gears are connected,
all the gear's power switch are in on position so that only the power strip
switch is turned on or off...
others who are having the same issue can do this...
Post by: tony on Mar 28, 2015 at 07:30 AM
Interesting, will try this out. Would this wok with an AVR?
can not see why not....
Post by: egzbuen on Mar 29, 2015 at 02:22 AM
Post by: tony on Mar 29, 2015 at 08:51 AM
Post by: songerph on Mar 29, 2015 at 01:06 PM
Just tried this for the first time this afternoon, it worked, No popping sound if I use my AVR's switch instead.nice! congrats satin! haha
Post by: pchin on Apr 01, 2015 at 10:43 AM
The Sakura AV-200T in action.
(https://scontent-hkg.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/11091483_623894704378301_7332342915649631135_n.jpg?oh=f4a75b605eaeff7e723d78b89cdf860c&oe=557A4FCF)
Listening to Stone Flower by Antonio Carlos Jobim.
Nice bro! Looking forward to hear it soon... :)
Post by: tony on Apr 01, 2015 at 12:17 PM
i am working on one and have removed the big tubes at the back,
next to go will be the two small tubes in front.... ;)
i hope i can do it before your next EB...
Post by: geriboy on Apr 02, 2015 at 10:53 AM
how about the same amp without the tubes? >:D
i am working on one and have removed the big tubes at the back,
next to go will be the two small tubes in front.... ;)
i hope i can do it before your next EB...
sso this would make the Sakura amp a pure solid-state amplifier without a tube buffer, tama po ba?
Post by: tony on Apr 02, 2015 at 12:08 PM
sso this would make the Sakura amp a pure solid-state amplifier without a tube buffer, tama po ba?
yes....
Post by: markcrenz on Apr 05, 2015 at 09:27 AM
how about the same amp without the tubes? >:Dalin nga po dyan rectifier? big or small tubes?
i am working on one and have removed the big tubes at the back,
next to go will be the two small tubes in front.... ;)
i hope i can do it before your next EB...
Post by: tony on Apr 05, 2015 at 12:24 PM
alin nga po dyan rectifier? big or small tubes?
lahat....getting the buffer out out fo the loop saves you 4.7uf in the signal path...
Post by: songerph on Apr 09, 2015 at 05:06 PM
Post by: songerph on Apr 09, 2015 at 05:42 PM
Post by: tony on Apr 09, 2015 at 06:54 PM
so kung hindi ganyan ang nangyayari, pwede mo ibalik sa kinuhanan mo para macheck-up..
Post by: songerph on Apr 09, 2015 at 11:37 PM
Post by: songerph on Apr 10, 2015 at 12:23 AM
kapag tv series or pop or classical music hindi nagrereact yung fan.
kapag malakas talaga ang volume at matindi ang bass (double peds, metal genre) umaandar yung fan. haha.
kapag movie na matindi ang barilan or may explosions umaandar din yung fan.
Post by: tony on May 28, 2015 at 12:23 PM
this is my final hack for the Sakura AV200...get rid of the tubes, we don't need them anymore.......
so don't be afraid if your tubes dide out on you, the amp can still run...
program source is my midi player Bread was on deck...
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xat1/v/t1.0-9/11295827_951039364917698_6691501434513810781_n.jpg?oh=96bc3663b6f808b912406e1b8d5e5269&oe=5603552D&__gda__=1443258098_fb976b99d68835b3652efd6b1f34d7e7)
panasonic 2,2ufd polypropylene cap inserted at pins 2 and 3 on the 6n2 socket...
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/19016_951039384917696_8644334408321524965_n.jpg?oh=ae1658ff59a15ac197d22496d313fb13&oe=55F63391)
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/1509805_951039391584362_5970556342249960916_n.jpg?oh=2ae559b06251b7eb372be53b2428f013&oe=55C3CB34)
first tried out a 10ufd cap but leads are not enough long to fit into tube socket
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10431453_951039348251033_2508539421007173091_n.jpg?
oh=9cbfa87cce4cca24f4276d277b4c3b43&oe=55FED4BE)
a tube ss rectifer can be used also to get rid of the 5z4///
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11205615_951039351584366_1244270325051442766_n.jpg?oh=0f81dc482b519cc22d03135f37d85884&oe=55C36E8C&__gda__=1438615632_7c494f00240f0de94f81f02b75376157)
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/t31.0-8/q87/s960x960/11336804_951039344917700_457412360999482760_o.jpg)
Tube Exorcism completed....
Post by: bosyo on Aug 24, 2015 at 10:51 PM
speaker: 5.25" Crystal SSX 510 made by Daichi !!!
player : PC
trip lang umulan ...
Take 1 using ASUS Smart Phone hehehehe. Lee Grane
soundcloud : https://soundcloud.com/user398571365/sounds-from-monday-night
backup singers >>> pusa
Post by: tony on Aug 25, 2015 at 07:41 AM
Post by: remington on Aug 25, 2015 at 08:51 AM
buhay pa sakura!!!ang lupit ng backing vocals talo yung lead singer hehehe! Nice sound bro!
speaker: 5.25" Crystal SSX 510 made by Daichi !!!
player : PC
trip lang umulan ...
Take 1 using ASUS Smart Phone hehehehe. Lee Grane
soundcloud : https://soundcloud.com/user398571365/sounds-from-monday-night
backup singers >>> pusa
Post by: zram18 on Aug 25, 2015 at 06:00 PM
Post by: tony on Aug 25, 2015 at 06:11 PM
OT lang po for the benefit of everyone: dumaan ako sa calatagan st,Palanan, Makati kanina,looking for rene rivo's Hyperaudio. wala na pala dun. nasa paranaque na daw.
hanapin mo na lang sa facebook....https://www.facebook.com/renerivo?fref=ts
Post by: zram18 on Aug 25, 2015 at 06:45 PM
Post by: bosyo on Sep 02, 2015 at 05:40 PM
very good sounds bosyo.....
@Master Tony
source pala ay youtube SANA by Lee Grane
may clipping/distortion pala ngayon ko lang napansin naka max ang recording level nang phone.
test ko minsan using pcm/lossless recording.
lagyan ko muna nang sound diffuser, kumot at sinampay ni misis ang loob ng kwarto.
hahaha
ang lupit ng backing vocals talo yung lead singer hehehe! Nice sound bro!
sunod aso naman labrador, rottweiler at dalmatian ang backup singers hehehehe.
pag nakaluwag sound trip tayo ni xbase sa house mo.
Post by: remington on Sep 03, 2015 at 12:04 PM
sunod aso naman labrador, rottweiler at dalmatian ang backup singers hehehehe.
pag nakaluwag sound trip tayo ni xbase sa house mo.
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ayos bro puro bardagul mga yan sigurado bilog boses ala scotty wright hehehe. Sige pag maayos na ang lahat session tayo
Post by: egzbuen on Sep 03, 2015 at 05:08 PM
Post by: tony on Sep 03, 2015 at 05:52 PM
it is by far the biggest bang for the buck of an amp....
spending more than you pay for is giving up the novelty of the amp....
besides why buy the amp in the first place if you think that you have to modify it?
the Sakura is tough act to follow, even i can not make something similar for its looks and power at that price...
Post by: cyberdraven on Sep 04, 2015 at 12:30 PM
Post by: tony on Sep 04, 2015 at 12:48 PM
Post by: cyberdraven on Sep 04, 2015 at 12:53 PM
you can still get it for 3,500 if you buy it in quantities...
Damn! How could they do that? Thats sooooo cheap and considering the shipping and mark-up, how could the chinese build an amp for 20-30 USD?
Post by: tony on Sep 04, 2015 at 01:47 PM
Damn! How could they do that? Thats sooooo cheap and considering the shipping and mark-up, how could the chinese build an amp for 20-30 USD?
building them by the hundreds of thousands....
i was asking my Pinoy friends in China to source this amp out and get price breaks for 100 units,
no luck so far....
Post by: choyb on Sep 04, 2015 at 06:19 PM
building them by the hundreds of thousands....I agree, really puzzling, but what,s amazing is that, the products work!
i was asking my Pinoy friends in China to source this amp out and get price breaks for 100 units,
no luck so far....
Sir Tony, might be OT but, what is your opinion of the Chinese-made Little Bear amps (Tube buffer $49 / tube preamp $75!!!/ etc) ?
And they,re getting " generally" good reviews in fora like DIY & Audiokarma !!!
I,m being tempted to try haha...
Post by: tony on Sep 04, 2015 at 08:31 PM
I agree, really puzzling, but what,s amazing is that, the products work!
Sir Tony, might be OT but, what is your opinion of the Chinese-made Little Bear amps (Tube buffer $49 / tube preamp $75!!!/ etc) ?
And they,re getting " generally" good reviews in fora like DIY & Audiokarma !!!
I,m being tempted to try haha...
up to you....it's your money....
i do not read reviews, i find them boring....i never let my self get blah blahed.... >:D
your best bet is to look for someone with a unit you can audition....
and then decide for yourself...do not let yourself be swayed,
trust your own ears only....
Post by: songerph on Sep 27, 2015 at 07:04 PM
Post by: audioPaul on Oct 04, 2015 at 11:04 AM
Post by: zram18 on Oct 04, 2015 at 11:35 AM
kaya yung iba, gusto sakura kc 4k pesos lang sa raon quiapo,puwede pa tumawad tapos pa modify yung sakura kay rene rivo for a total of 8k which includes the initial 4k sakura.(ewan kung nagtaas na cya).
in short,22k vs 8k. price difference is 14k pesos. but if budget permits, best pa rin yung pa assemble ng tube amp talaga.
Post by: tony on Oct 04, 2015 at 06:24 PM
SAKURA? mas mainam mag pa assemble na lng kayo ng tube amp kaysa bumili ng sakura tube tapos i modify lng din pla ....
aba...mahirap yatang tapatan ang Sakura na yan....wala akong klalalng dy'er na kaya ang 4k na budget...
Post by: fontana33 on Nov 04, 2015 at 02:35 AM
Iyong nakikita kong "SAKUA" label at the back from previous postings, is that fake or talagang ganun label nun (misprint).
Thanks po.
Post by: tony on Nov 04, 2015 at 06:06 AM
Post by: fontana33 on Nov 05, 2015 at 01:12 AM
Iyong "SAKUA" printed label sa likod ok lang ba yun or fake un?
Post by: tony on Nov 05, 2015 at 06:26 AM
Post by: fontana33 on Nov 05, 2015 at 11:02 PM
iyong sa "authorized" dealer, SAKUA rin naka print sa likod?
Thanks po.
Post by: pTrader on Nov 06, 2015 at 02:03 PM
hehehe..
iyong sa "authorized" dealer, SAKUA rin naka print sa likod?
Thanks po.
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg47/ubunterror/P8260006.jpg)
Post by: egzbuen on Nov 06, 2015 at 02:12 PM
^the Sakura is an el-cheapo amp.....love it or leave it...
it is by far the biggest bang for the buck of an amp....
spending more than you pay for is giving up the novelty of the amp....
besides why buy the amp in the first place if you think that you have to modify it?
the Sakura is tough act to follow, even i can not make something similar for its looks and power at that price...
Actually I just wanted to fix/tweak the popping/cracking sound upon starting it.
Post by: rochie on Nov 06, 2015 at 02:22 PM
Actually I just wanted to fix/tweak the popping/cracking sound upon starting it.
does it pop/crack even if the volume is turned down?
Post by: tony on Nov 06, 2015 at 08:31 PM
Actually I just wanted to fix/tweak the popping/cracking sound upon starting it.
pm mo si markrenz or vhinx or si sansui dan, they are the ones who can help you...
Post by: fontana33 on Nov 09, 2015 at 01:25 AM
Post by: tony on Nov 11, 2015 at 11:24 AM
store sa saint francis square, malapit sa sm megamall...
looks like walang stock sa raon, wala akong nakitang display,
dati kahit sa deeco meron, 4500 ang price...
Post by: tony on Nov 13, 2015 at 01:29 PM
matagal na nga raw walang stock....
Post by: fontana33 on Nov 18, 2015 at 09:06 PM
Kaso sabi ng tindero dami daw sumosoli, nasisira daw iyong tube. :(
So hindi ako bumili hehe
Post by: tony on Nov 19, 2015 at 07:03 AM
I just came from Raon. Merong stock iyong store sa 2 O'Clock ni Deeco, forgot the name. P4300 minus 15% or so dicount=P3700.
Kaso sabi ng tindero dami daw sumosoli, nasisira daw iyong tube. :(
So hindi ako bumili hehe
merong design flaw na madali namang ayusin, nai-post ko na yan several years ago...
magkano kaya ang mga returns? masarap kunin yan at ayusin...:D
Post by: egzbuen on Nov 19, 2015 at 10:51 AM
pm mo si markrenz or vhinx or si sansui dan, they are the ones who can help you...
Thanks. Will do PM them, cheers.
Post by: mattpanas on Nov 19, 2015 at 11:14 AM
yap,mas mainam magpa assemble ng tube amp yun nga lang mas mahal,cheapest i know is 22k.
kaya yung iba, gusto sakura kc 4k pesos lang sa raon quiapo,puwede pa tumawad tapos pa modify yung sakura kay rene rivo for a total of 8k which includes the initial 4k sakura.(ewan kung nagtaas na cya).
in short,22k vs 8k. price difference is 14k pesos. but if budget permits, best pa rin yung pa assemble ng tube amp talaga.
Bro Pa PM naman contact details nung gumagawa ng diy tube amp
Post by: fontana33 on Dec 01, 2015 at 01:14 AM
I have no idea if they are reselling the returns. Baka binabalik sa supplier? :)
Post by: tony on Dec 01, 2015 at 05:11 AM
Sir Tony,
I have no idea if they are reselling the returns. Baka binabalik sa supplier? :)
kadalasan isa lang ang importer nyan, then maraming resellers....
i will also ask around pag nagawi ako ng raon...
Post by: tony on Dec 10, 2015 at 11:36 AM
Post by: tony on Feb 04, 2016 at 08:19 AM
the lady owners said she returned to distro but wouldn't tell me, for obvious reasons...
meanwhile a guy i met at OLX sent me his broken AV200, trouble was no sound,
as one of the big tubes was not lit, i told him to swap tubes, but the tubes seem okay...
what i found out was the the 5volt feed has burned contacts in one of the tubes...
fix was to disable those big tubes and do a 2 resistor mod....
now it plays good music.....
(https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12647520_1069150389773261_2515622987248841918_n.jpg?oh=664e53cf4f2b42b4cd8830d6249a0178&oe=573E369F)
no, i did not nudify this amp, the owner did...:D
i put back the two big tubes para naman mabalik ang porma....;)
disabling the two big tubes shaves off about 20 watts of meralco bill...
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12670046_1069150446439922_2713176067098172270_n.jpg?oh=b9700e12b64108c95a73774e73add3a3&oe=5729F54D&__gda__=1462884978_c978a34d151073f883c61bae91372c47)
Post by: markcrenz on Feb 04, 2016 at 11:54 AM
master is that a word play o iba nasa isip mo when you posted? ;D ;D ;D
no, i did not nudify this amp, the owner did...:D
Post by: tony on Feb 04, 2016 at 12:29 PM
master is that a word play o iba nasa isip mo when you posted? ;D ;D ;D
ikaw naman, di ba't nahubaran yung amp? >:D
i was reading posts from Bogelinda when posted this.... ;D
btw, those who want to retain the big tubes, i recommend direct soldering of
wires, 2A is simply too much for a skimpy connector.... ::)
Post by: tony on Feb 04, 2016 at 07:35 PM
(https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/12670469_1069355949752705_4967042481759905700_n.jpg?oh=2c40e63e9a9eec979fbd57152fafe467&oe=57271E0D)
power draw at moderately high volumes....
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/12654313_1069356156419351_2152223328036153287_n.jpg?oh=eecc316fbd7f817ec2669ff565c771f4&oe=5737A619&__gda__=1463106879_74034e8a12573f025fd281279ac46ead)
Post by: gotoman2 on Feb 07, 2016 at 05:56 PM
Post by: tony on Feb 07, 2016 at 07:53 PM
Post by: songerph on Mar 23, 2016 at 07:38 AM
Going strong pa rin ang sakura ko. Malapit na mag 1 year. :D
Post by: tony on Mar 23, 2016 at 07:53 AM
Anlakas pala ng power cosumption haha. Pano kung nakabukas pa yung apat na tubes?
Going strong pa rin ang sakura ko. Malapit na mag 1 year. :D
add about 20 watts more....;)
Post by: ace1721 on Apr 20, 2016 at 01:02 AM
Bro Pa PM naman contact details nung gumagawa ng diy tube amp
ako din po sir baka pwede din po pa pm yung contacts or details ng gumagawa ng DIY tube amp.
btw nabasa ko po na si sir rene r. Nag momod ng sakura tube amp. Nagbebenta din po ba sya ng modded sakura tube amp? Kasi pahirapan po ang pagbili ng amp sa raon. Kadalasan out of stock po eh. Salamat po
Post by: tony on Apr 20, 2016 at 07:01 AM
Post by: cHiNo2728 on Apr 20, 2016 at 08:39 AM
mukhang phased out na, i was trying to buy even the defective units, wala akong makuha...
That's why I'm keeping mine.. hehe!
Im seeing the consumption as 19w and 60w. Do you think the Av400 has an even larger power consumption?
Post by: tony on Apr 20, 2016 at 11:20 AM
That's why I'm keeping mine.. hehe!
Im seeing the consumption as 19w and 60w. Do you think the Av400 has an even larger power consumption?
bigger because of tube rects....btw, gave you tried removing the big tubes?
i think that in your unit pwede yan....can you confirm?
, i remember working on that one model type...
Post by: 4ventures on Sep 02, 2016 at 12:55 PM
mukhang phased out na, i was trying to buy even the defective units, wala akong makuha...Try here....
https://www.facebook.com/hypersoundhybrydtubeamp/?ref=aymt_homepage_panel
Post by: nutkrakr on Nov 22, 2016 at 06:35 PM
Post by: tony on Nov 23, 2016 at 01:35 PM
Post by: papithree on Dec 03, 2016 at 10:34 PM
eto yung video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_RcAumCH7A&feature=youtu.be
meron din sa western appliances sa sta. lucia mall kaso mataas 5.7k
sakura av200T (stock) + Fioo x3 + canton karat 20= :)
sana meron upgraded na sakura malapit saken (pasig) para macompare ko ung difference. maraming salamat :)
Post by: teokun on Jan 12, 2017 at 07:02 PM
Post by: tony on Jan 12, 2017 at 07:12 PM
Post by: teokun on Jan 16, 2017 at 02:48 PM
try mo sa JEMS, corner ng evangelista at g. puyat sa raon...
thanks Sir. Question po, may nababasa aqng comments ( sa fb ata) na di talaga sya Tube Amplifier at need pa ng tweaks para masabi tlga na Tube Amplifier sya?
Post by: tony on Jan 17, 2017 at 07:48 AM
nothing you can do to make it a pure tube amp without spending
as much as a new diy tube power amp...
thanks Sir. Question po, may nababasa aqng comments ( sa fb ata) na di talaga sya Tube Amplifier at need pa ng tweaks para masabi tlga na Tube Amplifier sya?
Post by: teokun on Jan 18, 2017 at 11:33 PM
hybrid, ss ang power samp section, then tube buffers, kaya me tube...Thanks Sir.
nothing you can do to make it a pure tube amp without spending
as much as a new diy tube power amp...
Sent from my LG-D858HK using Tapatalk
Post by: tony on Jan 19, 2017 at 08:09 AM
Post by: at_sunset_blvd on Jan 19, 2017 at 08:27 PM
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,208709.0.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,208709.0.html)
Post by: night_rain on Feb 22, 2017 at 11:20 PM
Post by: tony on Feb 23, 2017 at 06:33 AM
Hi guys want to ask ano ang pinag ka iba ng av-200t at av225t?
fi ko pa nahawakan so hanggat hindi ko nakikita ng malapitan ang loob, i would suspect it to be the same....
Post by: night_rain on Feb 23, 2017 at 01:02 PM
Post by: tony on Feb 24, 2017 at 07:39 AM
Post by: JThaiHT on Mar 04, 2017 at 01:45 PM
8-( Big let down... :(
But inside the bottom it is signed in magic marker,
"VOL.Cuhol
12-6-12"
The u could be 'a' or something. Any ideas on that?
Could I bother you for some advice/help?
Could you give me a few mods to tweak this av200t? It seems to be an early model, but the speaker pop relay is black, not orange like mentioned in the thread. I read something about a tweak that would increase output by 20 watts or so, but can't find it now.
All replies appreciated!
J
Post by: tony on Mar 04, 2017 at 03:52 PM
power remains the same using the same power traffo...
the connectors feeding the filaments can burnout in time,,,the color of the relay makes no difference as long the speaker delay worked...
fyim i turned down a lot of requests modding this amp,
i told them bring the amp to me when it no longer worked,
otherwise just leave it alone and use it...
Post by: JThaiHT on Mar 04, 2017 at 04:15 PM
I asked about the signing inside as I was told this was a built version. Does anyone here sign and date their work?
All the caps look stock, but there is something odd on the pcb. It looks like someone has laid down a thin line of solder following many of the traces. They must have had a steady hand, that's for certain! Ever seen such a thing?
I will read more and see if I can figure out how to 'parallel the sections...' you mentioned.
I mentioned the relay color as a help to identify a version or age of this thing. One 4700u cap is loose, I'm hoping that will solve the one bad channel problem.
Cheers!
J
Post by: JThaiHT on Mar 04, 2017 at 04:31 PM
J
(http://photouploads.com/images/57e8e8.jpg)
Post by: tony on Mar 04, 2017 at 04:35 PM
if you can
Post by: JThaiHT on Mar 04, 2017 at 04:37 PM
All comments welcomed.
Thanks,
J
(http://photouploads.com/images/e69d80.jpg)
Post by: tony on Mar 04, 2017 at 04:37 PM
Did I mention mine has the 'Sakua' sticker on the back? Here is the SS section. Stock, correct?
J
(http://photouploads.com/images/57e8e8.jpg)
Post by: JThaiHT on Mar 04, 2017 at 04:55 PM
thanks again,
;)
J
Post by: tony on Mar 25, 2017 at 06:30 AM
i was at deeco raon yesterday and they have on display the AV-200 with a tag price of 4795 pesos....
Post by: fantom_mayonaise on Mar 26, 2017 at 10:51 PM
Post by: tony on Mar 27, 2017 at 07:01 AM
the power amp input ecap could be leaky, a 1ufd film cap will do nicely,......
while you are at it, parallel the miniature tube unused pins, 1//6; 2//8; 3//8.....
less ecap to worry about.
Post by: scumbads on Apr 10, 2017 at 11:17 AM
Post by: tony on Apr 10, 2017 at 01:41 PM
yours is a typical newbie reaction, there will be more,
just keep asking...
how about sir tony yung mas maliwanag yung isang tube na malaki compare sa tube na isa, like say yung left tube mas maliwanag compare mo sa right tube? may problema po ba yug amp or yung tube lang?
Post by: scumbads on Apr 10, 2017 at 09:07 PM
Post by: Benturbo on Apr 11, 2017 at 07:59 PM
Post by: tony on Apr 12, 2017 at 07:52 AM
Post by: tony on Jun 28, 2017 at 08:44 AM
saang store yan?
me nakita ako sa DEECO na ganyan, below 5k ang price...
meron din sa LAZADA......http://www.lazada.com.ph/sakura-av-225t-vacuum-tube-amplifier-16259791.html?ff=1
COD pa, and delivered right to your doorstep....
Post by: jerix on Aug 07, 2017 at 11:47 AM
Post by: tony on Aug 07, 2017 at 12:06 PM
contact Joel Herrera of facebook and his Econolytez page for more info..
Post by: jerix on Aug 07, 2017 at 04:03 PM
Post by: tony on Aug 07, 2017 at 04:12 PM
Post by: jerix on Aug 07, 2017 at 06:22 PM
Post by: scumbads on Aug 29, 2017 at 04:15 PM
Post by: tony on Aug 29, 2017 at 04:23 PM
sir tony may posibilities na mag run to into pure tube sounding?
hybrid kasi yan, ss amp ang nagda drive sa speakers, yung tubes pang gulat lang sila sa amp na yan...
kaya nga mura eh....
Post by: JThaiHT on Sep 02, 2017 at 10:44 AM
But got it working fine. :)
Cost me 1000Bt (1500PHP) but I never would have figured it out myself. :o
He couldn't understand me about the small tube jumpers, so I will do that myself... later.
Thanks again!
Post by: tony on Sep 02, 2017 at 10:58 AM
Update: Took my "Sakua" (no 'r') 200T in to an (old) old school guy I found in BKK for the 'no output at all' problem. He couldn't find the problem right away, so spent a few days on it. Changed the 4 transistors, the 4 big resistors, various caps... :o
But got it working fine. :)
Cost me 1000Bt (1500PHP) but I never would have figured it out myself. :o
He couldn't understand me about the small tube jumpers, so I will do that myself... later.
Thanks again!
did you check out if your speakers burned out?
with output transistors burned like that, speakers are suspect...
if your speakers survived and did not burn out, i will call that luck....
was that really the problem? could be after all the relays were
there just to delay the speaker connections and not to
protect them...
just about any 6 volt twin triodes will work here, 6bq7, 6bk7, 6aq8, 6dj8 and siblings, even the 7dj8 will do...
jumper pin 1 and pin 6, pin 2 and pin 7, pin 3 and pin 8, doing so doubles your transconductance and lowers distortion some more...
have fun.....
Post by: JThaiHT on Sep 02, 2017 at 01:10 PM
(http://photouploads.com/images/1a79b2.jpg)
I also found NOS tubes in Bangkok chinatown. I picked up 6r-hh2 which is the same as 6dj8 I think. Don't know how they compare as just got the amp working. http://tubedata.milbert.com/sheets/133/6/6R-HH2.pdf (http://tubedata.milbert.com/sheets/133/6/6R-HH2.pdf)
(http://photouploads.com/images/e76cfa.jpg)
The guy used the same transistors, D781. Would the lm1875 or something sound any better?
example http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/chip-amps/123255-beginners-gainclone-hifi-lm1875-amplifier-board.html (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/chip-amps/123255-beginners-gainclone-hifi-lm1875-amplifier-board.html)
Cheers!
Post by: tony on Sep 02, 2017 at 08:36 PM
lm1875 is a different beast altogether, your power amp section is made up of discretes......
but if you want to replace the ss amp board, better go with the lm3886 instead...
note also that the ss amp board provides regulated +-12 volts to the tone control/buffer boards...
Post by: JThaiHT on Sep 21, 2017 at 06:25 PM
Cheers.
J
Post by: prokopyo69 on Oct 04, 2017 at 05:47 PM
Post by: corpse grinder on Feb 20, 2018 at 11:12 AM
https://www.lazada.com.ph/sakura-av-225t-vacuum-tube-amplifier-84079181.html?spm=a2o4l.searchlist.list.2.79ef10caSz2pfO
Post by: tony on Feb 20, 2018 at 12:59 PM
Post by: at_sunset_blvd on Feb 20, 2018 at 08:02 PM
Post by: Haldupak on Apr 26, 2018 at 09:07 PM
Thanks
Post by: tony on Apr 27, 2018 at 05:14 AM
ang take ko sa sakura love it or leave it...
Post by: deeboy on May 29, 2018 at 02:08 PM
Post by: tony on May 29, 2018 at 05:19 PM
Post by: night_rain on Sep 15, 2018 at 06:41 PM
Post by: tony on Sep 15, 2018 at 07:38 PM
Post by: bosyo on Mar 04, 2020 at 10:53 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/vv9O7ow.jpg)
na curious lang sa open baffle. na pa wow ako hehhe kaya upgrade ko na lang ng 3way setup horn or dome tweeter + 8inch mid + 12inch low speaker
Post by: papithree on Oct 20, 2020 at 10:01 PM
Post by: pTrader on Mar 31, 2021 at 10:37 PM
ok lang din bang mawala yung "thud" sound pa na turn on na yung amp?
Post by: tony on Apr 01, 2021 at 08:50 AM
some models have the relay come on quickly thus the thud sound....this sakura has undergone several revisions, i have seen at least 4 kinds...
Post by: pTrader on Apr 01, 2021 at 05:37 PM
5z4 rectifier tubes, 6n2 dual triode...
some models have the relay come on quickly thus the thud sound....this sakura has undergone s revisions, i have seen at least 4 kinds...
salamat sir tony :)
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Apr 02, 2021 at 10:49 AM
possible kaya lagyan ng Bluetooth module?Wi-Fi streamer module or receiver na lang...
Sent from my ASUS_X00QD using Tapatalk
Post by: prokopyo69 on May 13, 2021 at 12:28 AM
Post by: aladdin_s on Jul 07, 2021 at 04:12 PM
Post by: pTrader on Jul 08, 2023 at 04:06 PM
LOOK MA, NO TUBES........ask ko lang po kung you still have pics of this exorcism... salamat po..
this is my final hack for the Sakura AV200...get rid of the tubes, we don't need them anymore.......
so don't be afraid if your tubes dide out on you, the amp can still run...
program source is my midi player Bread was on deck...
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xat1/v/t1.0-9/11295827_951039364917698_6691501434513810781_n.jpg?oh=96bc3663b6f808b912406e1b8d5e5269&oe=5603552D&__gda__=1443258098_fb976b99d68835b3652efd6b1f34d7e7)
panasonic 2,2ufd polypropylene cap inserted at pins 2 and 3 on the 6n2 socket...
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/19016_951039384917696_8644334408321524965_n.jpg?oh=ae1658ff59a15ac197d22496d313fb13&oe=55F63391)
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/1509805_951039391584362_5970556342249960916_n.jpg?oh=2ae559b06251b7eb372be53b2428f013&oe=55C3CB34)
first tried out a 10ufd cap but leads are not enough long to fit into tube socket
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/10431453_951039348251033_2508539421007173091_n.jpg?
oh=9cbfa87cce4cca24f4276d277b4c3b43&oe=55FED4BE)
a tube ss rectifer can be used also to get rid of the 5z4///
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11205615_951039351584366_1244270325051442766_n.jpg?oh=0f81dc482b519cc22d03135f37d85884&oe=55C36E8C&__gda__=1438615632_7c494f00240f0de94f81f02b75376157)
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/t31.0-8/q87/s960x960/11336804_951039344917700_457412360999482760_o.jpg)
Tube Exorcism completed....
Post by: tony on Jul 14, 2023 at 02:24 PM
but the caps are connected between pins 2 and 3 on the 9 pin miniature tubes..
i also posted this on wiredstate.com maybe you will have better luck there...
Post by: pTrader on Aug 01, 2023 at 04:20 PM
sorry i no longer have my photobucket account...salamat salamat.. will check wiredstate :)
but the caps are connected between pins 2 and 3 on the 9 pin miniature tubes..
i also posted this on wiredstate.com maybe you will have better luck there...
Post by: papithree on Dec 14, 2023 at 02:10 PM
baka may marecommend kayo, im located in pasig along marcos highway near marikina, cainta and antipolo