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Home Theater => Audio => Amplifier => Topic started by: gienr on May 11, 2011 at 08:09 PM
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I have a Denon 1909 which I am thinking of using as a karaoke amplifier. I have a midi player that has thousands of songs which could be connected to the analog inputs of the receiver. Now my question is, will this kind of setup serves my purpose or it has a negative effect on the safety of my receiver's welfare? Due to this apprehension, I know I should use an ordinary amplifier (like the Konzert 502A), but if it will not harm my denon, why spend for another amplifier?
Kindly pitch in some guidance here, (I read one time that the capability of a receiver to handle karaoke music is somewhat a question), some guru on this matter can be more reliable help. TIA
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I have a Denon 1909 which I am thinking of using as a karaoke amplifier. I have a midi player that has thousands of songs which could be connected to the analog inputs of the receiver. Now my question is, will this kind of setup serves my purpose or it has a negative effect on the safety of my receiver's welfare? Due to this apprehension, I know I should use an ordinary amplifier (like the Konzert 502A), but if it will not harm my denon, why spend for another amplifier?
Kindly pitch in some guidance here, (I read one time that the capability of a receiver to handle karaoke music is somewhat a question), some guru on this matter can be more reliable help. TIA
My friend tried to use his Yamaha receiver for an outdoor karaoke speaker Konzert. His Yamaha broke down as it was stressed too much. The Konzert was 450 watts at 8ohms. Maybe take caution and consult more people .
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better spend for the extra amp outright rather than spending it later for your receiver repair. ;)
mas mag-eenjoy ka pa sa pagkanta dahil 'di ka worried na baka biglang masunog ang denon mo. ;D
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the safety of your receiver is always in your hands......
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Thanks for the inputs. Yes, taking care of my denon is foremost. Again, thanks
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hahaha its funny...spending extra amplifier for karaoke. tatawan ka lang ng china amplifier owner... try it for a whole day of singing if still alive well you've got a good quality amplifier... :)
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di ba china amps are overrated in wattage?
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I have a Denon 1909 which I am thinking of using as a karaoke amplifier. I have a midi player that has thousands of songs which could be connected to the analog inputs of the receiver. Now my question is, will this kind of setup serves my purpose or it has a negative effect on the safety of my receiver's welfare? Due to this apprehension, I know I should use an ordinary amplifier (like the Konzert 502A), but if it will not harm my denon, why spend for another amplifier?
Kindly pitch in some guidance here, (I read one time that the capability of a receiver to handle karaoke music is somewhat a question), some guru on this matter can be more reliable help. TIA
My take:
I wouldn't mind using my AV/R for karaoke. What's the use of having an extra amp if you already have one...? If properly matched with your speakers, and controlled volume/gain based on the AV/R's capacity, IMHO, ok lang. :D I don't think there's a negative effect on the AV/R if well matched or paired.
Or probably, kaya ko lang nasasabi ito cuz entry level ang AV/R ko... ;)
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I think there are basic differences between an HT amp and amps used for PA or for instruments. HT amps usually have certain clipping circuits that triggers the amp to go off once that level is reached. So when the voice is too high or loud, the receiver turns off. The Konzert or Sakura are designed for karaoke application and do not have this clipping circuitry, so you can sing as loud as you can without problem, well of course except your neighbors ;)
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di ba china amps are overrated in wattage?
Well I think almost all are china amps ;D - even your branded ones for sure!
The difference is that branded ones have to cut so much corners to compete in their niche.
The generic ones tend to over-rate their products, but some do survive abnormal use - since some of them are truly equipped (say for example Konzert 502A that has 4 transistor per channel against branded AVR - plus the power tranny). Abuse them in the speaker department is not a cause of worry for this amp!
Even if Jerix say is true, your branded AVR should not be destroyed at all because it has protective circuitry. If truly generic amps has no clipping protection, then you should be more afraid of busting your speakers while your amp is still alive & kicking (clip-wise)
So your beautiful sports car with much horsepower (very expensive) should not be used to climb a rocky mountain (karaoke abuse) unless you get a serious amplifier not just masquerading as powerful but has the guts for the job.
But branded AVR has the finesse in its right place (just like the sports car) than utility amp like konzert 502A. The konzert (I cease to use china amp - or else am talking of both branded and generic) do not care for the finesse since the singers wont have that anyway! :D
But don't get me wrong, Konzert 502A is a serious amp - and being electronic at that, it is has solid performance (sound quality wise) as your expensive branded AVR gear - just tweak their tone control.
So much for the debate ... good generic amp are dirt cheap, why risk your expensive "finesse" amp! ;D Got my 2nd 502A at 2k - no brainer in fact! It can swallow even below 4 ohms total speaker impedance with no complaint!
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you're lucky if the protection circuit kicks in on time, always. what if it doesn't? tapos ang session, abala at gastos sa repair (kung marerepair pa), reduced resale value of avr, etc.
konzert/sakura amp - P2,000-3,000
repair of branded a/v receiver P2,000-10,000
the look on your face as you watch the a/v receiver celebrate the fourth of july after a guest singer cranks the level to 11 - priceless! ;D
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you're lucky if the protection circuit kicks in on time, always. what if it doesn't? tapos ang session, abala at gastos sa repair (kung marerepair pa), reduced resale value of avr, etc.
konzert/sakura amp - P2,000-3,000
repair of branded a/v receiver P2,000-10,000
the look on your face as you watch the a/v receiver celebrate the fourth of july after a guest singer cranks the level to 11 - priceless! ;D
That means your AVR do not have serious amp protection - and you paid for it >:(. Another advantage of the generic amps I would say :D - you get what you pay for 8) - and generics survive all the odds :o!
Yeah - mere 2,000 for an uninterrupted enjoyment, it's no brainer in fact! ;D Sleep well afterwards. - no BP rise thinking where to get repair cost of your branded china amp!
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if your AVR has enough power and if you're using it as karaoke amp then it is outstanding. from voice quality, sound quality and feedback problem and noise from mics and humming. i been using my AVR as my karaoke amps and it performs very good than china amps....i been using china amp previously but i hate tweaking and adjusting just to maintain sound clarity....
i don't like china amps because of flat sound response or too loud at center frequency unlike AVR it sound smooth plus built in effects... :)
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if your AVR has enough power and if you're using it as karaoke amp then it is outstanding. from voice quality, sound quality and feedback problem and noise from mics and humming. i been using my AVR as my karaoke amps and it performs very good than china amps....i been using china amp previously but i hate tweaking and adjusting just to maintain sound clarity....
i don't like china amps because of flat sound response or too loud at center frequency unlike AVR it sound smooth plus built in effects... :)
thats the difference between branded and china amps its like car transmission (automatic vs manual)there is advantage and disadvantage
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very nice inputs, thanks very much. Have tried the denon 1909 but it clips frequently so I stopped using it for karaoke. Before I had this denon, I had a yamaha 663 and it is ok as karaoke amp, more so with my yamaha 595 before the 663. This denon is too sensitive for karaoke purposes. Anyway thanks very much
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some videoke bars are using onkyo amp on their videoke setup..
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it does not matter if the brand of your amp is Konka , denon, onkyo or rotel. If it has enough power to handle your karaoke/HT/ Audio functions there should not be a problem. Now if you intend to abuse the gears or let someone who does not know how to operate it use then get a cheap amplifier for karaoke use.
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you're lucky if the protection circuit kicks in on time, always. what if it doesn't? tapos ang session, abala at gastos sa repair (kung marerepair pa), reduced resale value of avr, etc.
konzert/sakura amp - P2,000-3,000
repair of branded a/v receiver P2,000-10,000
the look on your face as you watch the a/v receiver celebrate the fourth of july after a guest singer cranks the level to 11 - priceless! ;D
For this comment alone sir mackrenz, I have stopped thinking of using my denon 1909 as a karaoke amp. I made use of my old Pioneer integrated amp for the purpose and it handles my karaoke hobby, although the clarity and warmth of the SQ is more evident on the denon (pero always clipping naman).
The repair cost you mentioned finalized this decision. Thanks
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That's one of the things I don't get. Why do people blare the world with karaoke? Can't it be a more intimate experience (aka. sa sariling bahay lang rinig)?
Is it to simulate a performance in front of a large crowd?
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That's one of the things I don't get. Why do people blare the world with karaoke? Can't it be a more intimate experience (aka. sa sariling bahay lang rinig)?
Is it to simulate a performance in front of a large crowd?
Sing-a-long SPL or loud & clear yan master. ;D
Sabi nga, flaunt what you've got. ;D
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Is it to simulate a performance in front of a large crowd?
All the world's a stage! ;D
So the entire world must hear! ::)
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All the world's a stage! ;D
So the entire world must hear! ::)
it's more like SUFFER! ;D
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sometimes i use my receiver kapag nag vivideoke,mahina lang naman saka hindi matagalan kapag nag vivideoke kami ni misis.pero di ko ginagamit pag may parties o handaan,nag rerent na lang kami ng videoke machine ;)
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sometimes i use my receiver kapag nag vivideoke,mahina lang naman saka hindi matagalan kapag nag vivideoke kami ni misis.pero di ko ginagamit pag may parties o handaan,nag rerent na lang kami ng videoke machine ;)
Good option for parties. For less than P1k, may system ka na. ;D
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The T/A feature of the AVRs does have an effect when you sing. Setting it to pure direct solves the issue. ;)
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The T/A feature of the AVRs does have an effect when you sing. Setting it to pure direct solves the issue. ;)
Thanks Sir Nelson. will try setting to pure direct
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Thanks Sir Nelson. will try setting to pure direct
Did you also noticed the delay?
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Yes sir Nelson I hear a delay when using my AVR for singing.. how do you fix that? tnx.
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'how about using attenuator/attenuation? on your branded avr (if it has), will it helps protect your receiver ???
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Thanks Sir Nelson. will try setting to pure direct
Have done setting to pure direct and it's ok. Thanks sir nelson
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'how about using attenuator/attenuation? on your branded avr (if it has), will it helps protect your receiver ???
Protect from what...?
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I was thinking of creating a new thread but anyway my purpose is almost the same with the TS. I plan to buy Pioneer 5.1 AVR 150w/chan. (forgot the exact model) with 5.1 speaker package (floor stand, center, surround speaker and sub-woofer) for more or less P30k. I will be using this setup on movies, listening music and karaoke session on get together/small occasion. I bought before a Sakura with a pair of store assembled 3way speaker (12" main speaker) for this purposes because I was afraid the branded AVR will be broken with the karaoke purposes. I'm not contented anymore using Sakura as it has only analog inputs and can't enjoy surround sounds on movies though it has decent sound but stereo only. Having said that, I'm now back to the dilemma of using a branded receiver (Pioneer in my case) to a karaoke purposes. Any comments?
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may i ask you sir what is the model of your sakura amp??
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I was afraid the branded AVR will be broken with the karaoke purposes.
anyone told you that or just your speculation only? other may say it can but for me it's not true. if you're afraid for damaging AVR for karaoke then I think you better buy less expensive high quality AVR. than buying high end gear that you're not at peace. :)
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anyone told you that or just your speculation only? other may say it can but for me it's not true. if you're afraid for damaging AVR for karaoke then I think you better buy less expensive high quality AVR. than buying high end gear that you're not at peace. :)
Some sales person when I canvass for an AVR and I think some thread also here in pdvd. Though some sales person say it is ok. The karaoke session is for indoor use only, for a get together and small occasions at home. I'm not sure if it is ok with that purpose.
I'm going to dispose the Sakura once I acquire the Pioneer AVR not just to fund for the new one but because there is no space anymore for the 2 set of sound system. Really need to find all purpose sound system.
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may i ask you sir what is the model of your sakura amp??
Sakura AV-387A
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Some sales person when I canvass for an AVR and I think some thread also here in pdvd. Though some sales person say it is ok.
so you became confused...some them are user only and based on their experienced...but from technical point of view "Branded AVR will NOT be broken with the karaoke purposes" If anyone insist maybe then the issue is the quality of AVR. don't buy it...:)
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so you became confused...some them are user only and based on their experienced...but from technical point of view "Branded AVR will NOT be broken with the karaoke purposes" If anyone insist maybe then the issue is the quality of AVR. don't buy it...:)
thanks for your input. cheers
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I was thinking of creating a new thread but anyway my purpose is almost the same with the TS. I plan to buy Pioneer 5.1 AVR 150w/chan. (forgot the exact model) with 5.1 speaker package (floor stand, center, surround speaker and sub-woofer) for more or less P30k. I will be using this setup on movies, listening music and karaoke session on get together/small occasion. I bought before a Sakura with a pair of store assembled 3way speaker (12" main speaker) for this purposes because I was afraid the branded AVR will be broken with the karaoke purposes. I'm not contented anymore using Sakura as it has only analog inputs and can't enjoy surround sounds on movies though it has decent sound but stereo only. Having said that, I'm now back to the dilemma of using a branded receiver (Pioneer in my case) to a karaoke purposes. Any comments?
I am now using a Denon 1909 for karaoke purposes (at home) and I switch on to direct mode. I think it is safe that way.
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I am now using a Denon 1909 for karaoke purposes (at home) and I switch on to direct mode. I think it is safe that way.
What is direct mode? And how did this make it safe? Another thing, pwede ko ba malaman setup ng sound system mo?
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I been using my Onkyo 606 as a karaoke amplifier and so far not encountered any issue. I think you just need to set the correct volume. :)
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I been using my Onkyo 606 as a karaoke amplifier and so far not encountered any issue. I think you just need to set the volume correct. :)
Thanks sa input at dumadami na ang parehas na setup sa balak ko pero pwede ko ba malaman setup, mga speakers na naka-connect sa Branded AVR mo when you use it as karaoke amplifier?
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Aside from setting the avr to pure direct, you can also opt to set the speaker distances to zero manually. For those with auto calibration, You can reprogram a memory (assuming yours has one) with the same tuning as the auto calibration and manually set the speaker distance to zero. This way, walang delay yun voice ng singer while maintaining the settings of the auto calibration minus the delay from speaker distance.
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Thanks sa input at dumadami na ang parehas na setup sa balak ko pero pwede ko ba malaman setup, mga speakers na naka-connect sa Branded AVR mo when you use it as karaoke amplifier?
my current setup is 5.1, PSB B6 as my front, Wharf 9cm for center and Bose acoustimas 5 as my surround, for the bass duty, been using my DIY RE SR sub being driven by Pilyo 4ver2 amp.
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my current setup is 5.1, PSB B6 as my front, Wharf 9cm for center and Bose acoustimas 5 as my surround, for the bass duty, been using my DIY RE SR sub being driven by Pilyo 4ver2 amp.
Thanks sa input.
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For me, I have 2 separate amps for 2 different purposes..my sakura 5203 paired with a unbranded loudspeakers for Karaoke sessions/parties and other loud and noisy purposes..while my AVR is exclusive for movies and music only to minimize the stress on the receiver..It's better safe than sorry.
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For me, I have 2 separate amps for 2 different purposes..my sakura 5203 paired with a unbranded loudspeakers for Karaoke sessions/parties and other loud and noisy purposes..while my AVR is exclusive for movies and music only to minimize the stress on the receiver..It's better safe than sorry.
It's hard to do that option for me, our house is not big enough to put 2 sets up of amps and speakers. >:(
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up ko lang topic
i've read this thread a few times and to be safe decided not to use my marantz for karaoke
however, just want to ask if using a power amp will somehow make my avr "completely safe" from the risk mentioned on this topic. avr will be functioning as a preamp na lang. will be using a diff speaker set kaya ang worry ko lang yung sa amp. i have a vintage 2 ch power amp that intend to use.
also puede ba gamitin zone 2 ng avr for this.
tia