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I swear to GodTM, if I didn't see the "satire" tag I really would have believed this news story:
CBCP trademarks the term “Catholic”
http://filipinofreethinkers.org/2011/06/13/cbcp-trademarks-the-term-catholic/
"In response to the existence of Catholics™ for RH (C4RH), the Catholic™ Bishops Conference of the Philippines have trademarked the term, “Catholic™.”
"An official of the CBCP said Monday that the term “Catholic™” is reserved for those who obey the Pope’s teachings and are granted an official license by the Vatican through its newly formed franchising agent in the Philippines, the CBCP Commission on Franchising and Life (COFAL). COFAL recently filed a complaint with the Intellectual Property Office of the Philippines against C4RH."
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All you heathens must remember that unless you are a Catholic, the love you feel is not real love. It's more like movie love.
So unless you are a certified Catholic, you are not allowed to love anyone. Yes, not even yourself during those lonely nights alone in your room.
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Parang gusto ko pa-trademark ang "Catholic-lite" ;D
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So unless you are a certified Catholic, you are not allowed to love anyone. Yes, not even yourself during those lonely nights alone in your room.
But but but, I love myself! I love myself every night!
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Ang alam ko, catholic means universal. Long before Constantine became a catholic or christian, may catholic church na.
from wikipedia
The word catholic (derived via Late Latin catholicus, from the Greek adjective καθολικός (katholikos), meaning "universal"[1][2]) comes from the Greek phrase καθόλου (kath'holou), meaning "on the whole," "according to the whole" or "in general", and is a combination of the Greek words κατά meaning "about" and όλος meaning "whole".[3][4] The word in English can mean either "including a wide variety of things; all-embracing" or "of the Roman Catholic faith." as "relating to the historic doctrine and practice of the Western Church."[5]
It was first used to describe the Christian Church in the early 2nd century to emphasize its universal scope. In the context of Christian ecclesiology, it has a rich history and several usages. In non-ecclesiastical use, it derives its English meaning directly from its root, and is currently used to mean
universal or of general interest; or
liberal, having broad interests, or wide sympathies.[6]
inclusive, inviting and containing strong evangelism.
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CBCP Commission on Franchising and Life (COFAL) :D
Being catholic as certified by a COFAL is what you should aspire for.
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Interesting classic article from The Philippines Free Press:
THE CHURCH UNDER ATTACK
May 5, 1956
There is a new outburst of anti-clericalism as Catholic politicians denounce the Catholic hierarchy’s opposition to the bill requiring Filipino students to read the two controversial novels of Rizal
By Teodoro M. Locsin
Staff Member
NOT for a long time has the Catholic Church, or, at any rate, the Catholic hierarchy in the Philippines, been subjected to such attacks as it has for the last two weeks. Archbishops, accustomed to having high government officials kiss the ring of their office, were mocked and ridiculed, were called enemies of freedom, to great applause. Catholic political leaders led the attack….
Did the hierarchy expect the attacks when it issued the pastoral letter objecting to the Senate bill which would make the two novels of Rizal required reading in all public schools—novels the hierarchy considered impious and heretical? If it did, and went ahead just the same and registered its objection, it could only be because of an overriding concern for the safety of the Faith; to read Rizal is to endanger it. A temporary embarrassment is nothing in the light of eternity; the Church is 2,000 years old; it will still be standing when the supporters of the bill are no longer around. The Senate, as it is presently composed, will not prevail against it. Thus, perhaps, wen the thought of the churchmen. It was a calculated risk.
It was all very surprising. A month ago, one could not have imagined a Filipino politician speaking in any but the most respectful terms of the prelates of the Church; he would have considered it political suicide to express himself critically of them. Now all caution seems to have been thrown to the wind. Anything goes. There is a new freedom, or, to put it another way, license.
The Church has grown in power and influence since the days immediately following the Revolution. Then every other Filipino leader seemed to be the critic if not the enemy of the Church. Many had lost their faith; even among those who retained it, there were not a few who were, in some degree, anti-clerical. The women were pious but the men were something else. During Mass, when the priest turned around to deliver a sermon, the men would walk out of the church; when the priest was done, they would come back. “Do what I say, but don’t do what I do,” the men would say, referring to the man of God.
In time, many Filipino leaders returned to the Church, abjuring Masonry as in the case of the late President Quezon; they became quite devout. It no longer seemed queer to be a priest or to listen to one. The Church grew in prestige. When a Protestant, Camilo Osias, made known his intention to run for president, he was told he couldn’t win; he was not a Catholic. He could be a senator; he was. He could never be president. He must face the facts of political life. When he wouldn’t, and bolted to the other side, he couldn’t even get elected as senator.
If Ramon Magsaysay is president of the Philippines today, it is due not a little to the help of the Church. The hierarchy, reluctantly coming to the conclusion that the perpetuation of the Quirino administration through electoral fraud and terrorism would eventually drive the people into Communism, urged the faithful to keep the elections free. Free elections would mean the defeat of the Quirino administration. The Church couldn’t help that. The elections were free, and there was a new administration.
Never had the Church seemed such a power in Philippine politics! A maker of presidents, it suddenly seemed. At any rate, a maker of senators it proved itself two years later, when Francisco Rodrigo ran as a candidate of the Catholic Church—to be precise, the people were made to believe he was the candidate of the Church; with no political experience whatsoever, he polled more votes than many veteran politicians.
The Church had become a great, perhaps the greatest, political factor in the Philippines. Catholic action had taken on a political color. This was, Catholics felt, as it should be. It is impossible to separate politics from religion, or the practice of religion. Human life is a unity, not a series of separate compartments. A good Catholic not only goes to the right church but votes for the right people.
Then came the Senate bill making Rizal’s novels required reading in all schools and the pastoral letter opposing the bill. Bishops and archbishops were suddenly being called unpatriotic, worse than the country’s former Spanish oppressors. The political climate had suddenly changed.
Full article:
http://philippinesfreepress.wordpress.com/2006/05/05/the-church-under-attack-may-5-1956/
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HIPOKRITO, a confoundingly large number of them are homosexual pedophiles. clearly, if you have a serious confusion with your gender and has latent homosexual tendencies, welcomed ka sa Catholic church. A monolithic church with something like 900 million worldwide members and a 1,600 year history does not prove that its a real, genuinely Christ-like church....it simply means that a LIE could actually exist for 1,600+ years. And, that it could pay off as much as $3 billion to pay off the hundreds of male children sexually destroyed by its priests. Learning these scandals: an epidemic number of priests raping male children, collaborations with Adolf Hitler, friar abuses for 300+ colonial years against Filipinos, seminaries replete with homosexual would-be "fathers," asking favors from a human sewage like Gloria Arroyo, etc., etc. -- dapat layasan mo na yang simbahan mo. 'alang kaligtasan diyan. You've only one soul, and this monolithic, ultra-powerful, ultra-wealthy church expedites the same soul to hell.....
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Interesting classic article from The Philippines Free Press:
THE CHURCH UNDER ATTACK
May 5, 1956
There is a new outburst of anti-clericalism as Catholic politicians denounce the Catholic hierarchy’s opposition to the bill requiring Filipino students to read the two controversial novels of Rizal
By Teodoro M. Locsin
Staff Member
NOT for a long time has the Catholic Church, or, at any rate, the Catholic hierarchy in the Philippines, been subjected to such attacks as it has for the last two weeks. Archbishops, accustomed to having high government officials kiss the ring of their office, were mocked and ridiculed, were called enemies of freedom, to great applause. Catholic political leaders led the attack….
Did the hierarchy expect the attacks when it issued the pastoral letter objecting to the Senate bill which would make the two novels of Rizal required reading in all public schools—novels the hierarchy considered impious and heretical? If it did, and went ahead just the same and registered its objection, it could only be because of an overriding concern for the safety of the Faith; to read Rizal is to endanger it. A temporary embarrassment is nothing in the light of eternity; the Church is 2,000 years old; it will still be standing when the supporters of the bill are no longer around. The Senate, as it is presently composed, will not prevail against it. Thus, perhaps, wen the thought of the churchmen. It was a calculated risk.
It was all very surprising. A month ago, one could not have imagined a Filipino politician speaking in any but the most respectful terms of the prelates of the Church; he would have considered it political suicide to express himself critically of them. Now all caution seems to have been thrown to the wind. Anything goes. There is a new freedom, or, to put it another way, license.
The Church has grown in power and influence since the days immediately following the Revolution. Then every other Filipino leader seemed to be the critic if not the enemy of the Church. Many had lost their faith; even among those who retained it, there were not a few who were, in some degree, anti-clerical. The women were pious but the men were something else. During Mass, when the priest turned around to deliver a sermon, the men would walk out of the church; when the priest was done, they would come back. “Do what I say, but don’t do what I do,” the men would say, referring to the man of God.
In time, many Filipino leaders returned to the Church, abjuring Masonry as in the case of the late President Quezon; they became quite devout. It no longer seemed queer to be a priest or to listen to one. The Church grew in prestige. When a Protestant, Camilo Osias, made known his intention to run for president, he was told he couldn’t win; he was not a Catholic. He could be a senator; he was. He could never be president. He must face the facts of political life. When he wouldn’t, and bolted to the other side, he couldn’t even get elected as senator.
If Ramon Magsaysay is president of the Philippines today, it is due not a little to the help of the Church. The hierarchy, reluctantly coming to the conclusion that the perpetuation of the Quirino administration through electoral fraud and terrorism would eventually drive the people into Communism, urged the faithful to keep the elections free. Free elections would mean the defeat of the Quirino administration. The Church couldn’t help that. The elections were free, and there was a new administration.
Never had the Church seemed such a power in Philippine politics! A maker of presidents, it suddenly seemed. At any rate, a maker of senators it proved itself two years later, when Francisco Rodrigo ran as a candidate of the Catholic Church—to be precise, the people were made to believe he was the candidate of the Church; with no political experience whatsoever, he polled more votes than many veteran politicians.
The Church had become a great, perhaps the greatest, political factor in the Philippines. Catholic action had taken on a political color. This was, Catholics felt, as it should be. It is impossible to separate politics from religion, or the practice of religion. Human life is a unity, not a series of separate compartments. A good Catholic not only goes to the right church but votes for the right people.
Then came the Senate bill making Rizal’s novels required reading in all schools and the pastoral letter opposing the bill. Bishops and archbishops were suddenly being called unpatriotic, worse than the country’s former Spanish oppressors. The political climate had suddenly changed.
Full article:
http://philippinesfreepress.wordpress.com/2006/05/05/the-church-under-attack-may-5-1956/
Thanks for posting. Certainly delivers perspective in this day and age.
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In final interview, Cardinal says Church "200 years out of date"
ROME | Sat Sep 1, 2012 3:01pm EDT
(Reuters) - The former archbishop of Milan and papal candidate Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini said the Catholic Church was "200 years out of date" in his final interview before his death, published on Saturday.
Martini, once favored by Vatican progressives to succeed Pope John Paul II and a prominent voice in the church until his death at the age of 85 on Friday, gave a scathing portrayal of a pompous and bureaucratic church failing to move with the times.
"Our culture has aged, our churches are big and empty and the church bureaucracy rises up, our rituals and our cassocks are pompous," Martini said in the interview published in Italian daily Corriere della Sera.
"The Church must admit its mistakes and begin a radical change, starting from the pope and the bishops. The pedophilia scandals oblige us to take a journey of transformation," he said in the interview.
In the last decade the Church has been accused of failing to fully address a series of child abuse scandals which have undermined its status as a moral arbiter, though it has paid many millions in compensation settlements worldwide.
Martini, famous for comments that the use of condoms could be acceptable in some cases, told interviewers the Church should open up to new kinds of families or risk losing its flock.
"A woman is abandoned by her husband and finds a new companion to look after her and her children. A second love succeeds. If this family is discriminated against, not just the mother will be cut off but also her children."
In this way "the Church loses the future generation", Martini said in the interview, made a fortnight before he died. The Vatican opposes divorce and forbids contraception in favor of fidelity within marriage and abstinence without.
A liberal voice in the church, Martini's chances of becoming pope were damaged when he revealed he was suffering from a rare form of Parkinson's disease and he retired in 2002.
Pope John Paul II was instead succeeded in 2005 by Pope Benedict XVI, a hero of Catholic conservatives who is known by such critical epithets as "God's rottweiler" because of his stern stand on theological issues.
Martini's final message to Pope Benedict was to begin a shake up of the Catholic church without delay.
"The church is 200 years out of date. Why don't we rouse ourselves? Are we afraid?"
Martini was much loved and thousands paid their respects at his coffin in Milan cathedral on Saturday.
(Reporting By Naomi O'Leary)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/01/us-italy-bishop-idUSBRE87U10220120901
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Ang alam ko, catholic means universal. Long before Constantine became a catholic or christian, may catholic church na.
Yes, catholic means universal, but don't forget that it's just a name that they gave themselves.
Pag tinawag mo ang sarili mong pinaka-pogi sa buong mundo, ibig bang sabihin ikaw na nga ang pinaka-pogi sa buong mundo, o ibig sabihin ay mayabang ka lang? :D
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Yes, catholic means universal, but don't forget that it's just a name that they gave themselves.
Pag tinawag mo ang sarili mong pinaka-pogi sa buong mundo, ibig bang sabihin ikaw na nga ang pinaka-pogi sa buong munod, o ibig sabihin ay mayabang ka lang? :D
hahaha natawa naman ako dito sir Barrister! ;D
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the cbcp is actually one of the reason why this country is in a sheethole
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Parang gusto ko pa-trademark ang "Catholic-lite" ;D
Meron na yan. They're called Episcopalians.
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Akala ko pa naman Catholic-lite was like an app: has the basic functionality, but does not have the full features unless you pay the premium price. :D
I guess many of our countrymen are Catholic-lite's.
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^matagal na yan panahon pa ng mga matatanda may konsepto na ng katolikong sarado at katolikong bukas...
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The Ten Commandments according to George Carlin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-RGN21TSGk
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HIPOKRITO, a confoundingly large number of them are homosexual pedophiles. clearly, if you have a serious confusion with your gender and has latent homosexual tendencies, welcomed ka sa Catholic church. A monolithic church with something like 900 million worldwide members and a 1,600 year history does not prove that its a real, genuinely Christ-like church....it simply means that a LIE could actually exist for 1,600+ years. And, that it could pay off as much as $3 billion to pay off the hundreds of male children sexually destroyed by its priests. Learning these scandals: an epidemic number of priests raping male children, collaborations with Adolf Hitler, friar abuses for 300+ colonial years against Filipinos, seminaries replete with homosexual would-be "fathers," asking favors from a human sewage like Gloria Arroyo, etc., etc. -- dapat layasan mo na yang simbahan mo. 'alang kaligtasan diyan. You've only one soul, and this monolithic, ultra-powerful, ultra-wealthy church expedites the same soul to hell.....
obvious ba? ;D
You will know the tree by its fruits! 8)
You will know the ungodly by their fruits as well! :P
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“Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines.” -Bertrand Russell
If we were not colonized by white people with crosses, we might be as progressive as Japan today.
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“Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines.” -Bertrand Russell
If we were not colonized by white people with crosses, we might be as progressive as Japan today.
But we should taste first the atomic bomb before the progress happens ;D banzai!
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At least the thread title is correct.
The only way CBCP or Catholic and "Modern" can be used in a sentence together is if there is vs in between the terms.
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“Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines.” -Bertrand Russell
If we were not colonized by white people with crosses, we might be as progressive as Japan today.
if you think about it Islam might be the dominant religion and not roman catholic.
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I think one of the things needed for the Philippines to progress as a nation is to put the Catholic Church in its place. It should NOT influence government and public policy.
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I think one of the things needed for the Philippines to progress as a nation is to put the Catholic Church in its place. It should NOT influence government and public policy.
I wish. Ever notice that we start every program in school, government, offices by praying and making the sign of the cross?
And one way to start progress is through education but how many universities include Salvation History, Gospel of Christ, New Testament, Old Testament, Catechism, etc. in their curricula?
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MVP parts ways with Ateneo 'completely', cites irreconcilable differences over RH and Mining
I read last night the Jesuit Paper which Fr Jojo handed to me last Sunday, and have come to the conclusion that this document, as drafted, is irreconcilable with our corporate position on mining and for me, more importantly, my conviction as a Filipino.
Let me just highlight a few of my major concerns – by all means not complete or exhaustive:
1. I do not agree with some of the CBCP’s pronouncements, including its recent stance on the RH Bill. At times, I believe the CBCP has taken positions contrary to the interest of our country. It should earn its rightful place in the national debating table by showing tangibly and significantly its concern for the poor and the corrupt, and sharing the burden with business and government the enormous task of nation-building – including the appropriate moral formation of our people and our leaders.
2. The importance of mining – expressed in the development of natural wealth and national patrimony – is enshrined in our Constitution. That value as a tool for national progress is expressed in the Mining Act. For the Church to say otherwise contradicts a very basic document of our people and frustrates the people’s constitutional will, values, and preference – plus the right to improve economic welfare – 'to use these talents and multiply them, not bury them' – to use your own words.
3. Correlatively, I’ve always firmly believed precisely in that Biblical dictum on talents – be they tangible or intangible – to improve lives. Failure to manage one’s affairs – such as weak institutions, failed regulatory agencies, corrupt enforcements – do not mean a particular business is per se evil, as suggested about mining in that Jesuit Paper. It is man’s frailty – Filipino frailty to be exact – that should be blamed, not the business. I’ve already pointed out the examples of good mining practices elsewhere. Indeed, the Filipino’s failure to manage well is shown in almost all facets of our lives – poor airports, poor sewerage, unclean air, mediocre economic growth. The list is long. Our preponderant task as a people is simply to do better – to strive for excellence. Isn’t that the Ateneo motto?
4. As to the Church’s duty towards creation and human ecology, I submit that it is our first duty to understand its origins and workings truly. This means subscribing to, and encouraging, relentless scientific study of the universe and planet Earth – hardly a matter which the Church persecutors of Galileo can be proud of. Every human attempt at progress I dare say will have some impact 'at the expense of the environment' – even the building and maintenance of places of worship and of education. There should be no debate here, correct?
5. The Jesuit Paper reflects in parts, ignorance of the terms of EO79 and the Implementing Rules and Regulations. We should leave that to another paper to dissect. The ultimate questions for me are:
(i) Do the EO/IRR violate existing laws and the Constitution?
(ii) Do they violate the call for preferential use of land and resources for mining, for purposes of agriculture, tourism, or what have you – preferential rights articulated and protected by our Constitution?
In any event, to the extent that the terms of the Paper are non-negotiable, and do run contrary to what our laws and Constitution say and to what I believe in – that any business, even mining, can be made to serve man and God provided it is managed well and responsibly - this makes it difficult for my conscience to accept the Paper as currently drafted.
I must say that I am extremely distressed and saddened by this recent event. And in the context of two other gruesome incidents (i.e., plagiarism and the first mining blow-up) in the recent past, I believe we have come to the irretrievable point where it is best and appropriate to draw the line in the sand, to conclude that we have little or no common interest, and to say that I’d look like a fool helping an institution which opposes my conviction diametrically and unequivocally (“non-negotiable”). The logical consequences of this are: (i) each of us can pursue our advocacies freely without having to be sensitive with regard each other’s feelings; (ii) my complete and total disengagement from the Ateneo – something which, after reflection, I must confess I welcome with some relief at this stage.
Time to call it a day.
M.V.P.
http://www.interaksyon.com/business/43732/mvp-parts-ways-with-ateneo-cites-irreconcilable-differences-over-rh-and-mining
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I must say that I am extremely distressed and saddened by this recent event. And in the context of two other gruesome incidents (i.e., plagiarism and the first mining blow-up) in the recent past, I believe we have come to the irretrievable point where it is best and appropriate to draw the line in the sand, to conclude that we have little or no common interest, and to say that I’d look like a fool helping an institution which opposes my conviction diametrically and unequivocally (“non-negotiable”). The logical consequences of this are: (i) each of us can pursue our advocacies freely without having to be sensitive with regard each other’s feelings; (ii) my complete and total disengagement from the Ateneo – something which, after reflection, I must confess I welcome with some relief at this stage.
The reference to the plagiarism incident surprised me - parang walang connection. Guess he was incredibly offended by the shabby treatment he got from the student body and many of the alumni.
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The CBCP is with the modern world when they were publicly exposed by NatGeo for being very lax with the ivory trade.
Before that to hell with endangered animals. God would only allow in the trade if it was good.
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When 10Mbps quality broadband becomes the minimum in the Philippines and everyone's education improves to that of HK, SG, SK or JP or TW the CBCP will have to go with the times or be left behind to the less educated.
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Can the Vatican Survive the Age of Digital Media?
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/09/can-the-vatican-survive-the-age-of-digital-media/262997/1/
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I-share ko lang, marami sigurong makaka-relate dito.
Alienated from my own Church
By Oscar Franklin Tan
Philippine Daily Inquirer
11:07 pm | Friday, January 4th, 2013
I found myself wary of hearing Christmas Eve Mass except in Xavier School, where I have heard it since I was six. I shockingly realized this was because I trust the Jesuits not to give a Christmas homily on the Reproductive Health Law. The emotional exhaustion wrought by our bishops’ endless political commentary has alienated me from my own Church.
“[If faced with an anti-RH homily on New Year’s Day,] give me the courage to keep my eyes on the altar, not walk out, and just remember that we are all there for love and for life,” prays social entrepreneur and fashionista extraordinaire Reese Fernandez-Ruiz.
My peers are equally enervated by the harsh, angry, interminable political harangues. Immediately after Christmas, Facebook was flooded by outrage at a bishop’s praise of overpopulation because it will provide more Filipino wives for foreigners, more Filipino caregivers for aging foreigners, and more foreign workers to increase remittances—not to mention that poverty brings people “closer” to God. There was a similar uproar after bishops attributed Typhoon “Pablo” to the RH bill, branded Ateneo professors potential heretics, threatened People Power backed by “believers” in the military, and compared President Aquino to the killer of children in Newtown, Connecticut. Spontaneous jokes circulated that bishops were going to blame Manny Pacquiao’s knockout on the RH bill (except that Mommy Dionisia beat them to that punch).
There is no escape from the seeming suspension of civilized society’s niceties. A friend was upset by an RH homily in the middle of a wedding; another’s cousin’s midterms were allegedly held hostage to secure his anti-RH rally attendance. A UST Varsitarian editorial crassly labeled pro-RH Ateneo and De La Salle professors “lemons” and “cowards.” Even Joaquin Bernas, SJ, was ignominiously referred to as “a columnist” (and not by name) in a bishop’s paid advertisement.
I am no longer able to identify with our bishops, and I am hardly alone.
The Church raised valid points that were debated exhaustively in Congress. First, it teaches that every sex act must have the potential to create life. It argued that the RH bill is so anathema to its teaching that the bill infringes on Catholics’ freedom of religion. Second, corollarily, the law is immoral and transgresses upon natural law (and one is presumably bound by the Church’s interpretations of these amorphous concepts). Finally, it disbelieves linkages between reproductive health, overpopulation and poverty—or disbelieves that overpopulation and poverty are undesirable altogether—and argues that the billions of pesos for the RH Law are better spent elsewhere.
These intellectual points were lost in the atmosphere of vitriol. In the era of Wikipedia and open collaboration, our bishops chose condescension, appearing to impose doctrine from the pulpit instead of addressing opposing views and the existence of non-Catholic Filipinos. In an era where even the President wants to be your Facebook friend, they chose arrogance, appearing to bully, threaten and even hint at the President’s excommunication. In an era of increasingly critical youth, they chose intellectual insult, from vague slogans such as “contraception is corruption” to insistence that a bill that explicitly rejects abortion surely promotes it. They spoke in discordance with the simple message of Jesus’ love that I learned as a six-year-old. The debate ended long before the torrent of negative energy did.
Surely our bishops realize that what is at stake is not contraception—or euthanasia, abortion, halitosis and the rest of the parade of horribles—but what remains of their ability to meaningfully engage an entire generation of Filipinos. In great frustration, many young Catholics have gone from criticizing the Church’s messages to attacking the Church itself. Many have gone from supporting the RH Law to questioning whether the Church is relevant to them. The disconnect has gone well past intellect to an emotional level where one finds himself unconsciously cringing at the thought of listening to a homily on Christmas Eve.
http://opinion.inquirer.net/44189/alienated-from-my-own-church
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not to mention that poverty brings people “closer” to God.
The priest is actually right there. Statistics show the more educated and the more prosperous people are, the less likely are they to be religious.
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Jesuit thinkers warn 'theological bullying' driving away Catholics
"The Catholic Church is in trouble – even in Catholic Philippines," Ateneo de Davao University president Fr. Joel Tabora, S.J. pronounced in a blog post last Thursday. "There ought to be great concern. People have been leaving the Catholic Church. People are about to leave the Church. What I am picking up is exasperation... People are tired of being treated as if they were younger than adolescents, of being scolded... People are tired of obstinate claims to absolute truth, when the thinking world continues to seek truth.
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/294290/news/nation/jesuit-thinkers-warn-theological-bullying-driving-away-catholics
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thanks for sharing bro, pwede pala maging stockholder ang church/es sa gawaan ng liquor.
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I was born and raised as Catholic from a religious oriented family but I have lost respect to many, many (not all) Catholic bishops, priests and nuns a long time ago. Lot's of hypocrisy, irony and "politics" in the Catholic Church.
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thanks for sharing bro, pwede pala maging stockholder ang church/es sa gawaan ng liquor.
Those guys should share the profits to the people. Capitalism money pa naman yan.
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Conscience and “Vote Conscience”
https://taborasj.wordpress.com/2013/03/07/conscience-and-vote-conscience/
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Bishops accept Catholic vote not yet at its full strength in elections
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/409265/bishops-accept-catholic-vote-not-yet-at-its-full-strength-in-elections
Just checked the Bacolod city area, originator of the "Team Buhay/Team Patay" (http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/297605/opinion/blogs/team-patay-vs-team-buhay-the-new-inquisition)campaign:
(http://i.imgur.com/8yxMHgW.jpg)
"Team Buhay" endorsed candidates such as Binay(13th), Ejercito(14th), Honasan (17th) M. Magsaysay(21st) actually ranked lower in Bacolod compared to their national ranking.
On the other hand, candidates labeled as members of "Team Patay" -- Angara(2nd), Cayetano(3rd) and Hontiveros(12th), ranked higher than their national ranking.
(http://i.imgur.com/rVE1cS3.jpg)
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There is no such thing as a Catholic vote.
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/945395_633634483313403_1805494022_n.png)
Socrates Villegas is the new president of the CBCP.
Facebook comments:
- Bishops, Priests...etc. Why mention TAXPAYERS when you're not part of us? Thank you and God bless.
- not paying tax is corruption
- When it pays medical bills for unwanted pregnancies it can open its mouth. When it pays taxes it can complain about government expenditure. When it sides with the poor against the abusive elite it can claim the upper ground. When defrocks smuggler priests it can complain about corruption.
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HYPOCRITE!!!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/9348_10200346075843469_601099439_n.jpg)
PRIESTS ON JANET NAPOLES' PAYROLL?
08/17/2013 1:29 AM
Hindi lang mga pulitiko, kundi pati mga miyembro ng Simbahang Katolika ang nasa listahan ng mga umano'y nakikinabang sa yaman ni Janet Lim Napoles. Ang isang monsinyor, dinadala pa nga raw ang imahe ng Poong Nazareno sa bahay ng mga Napoles para pagdasalan. Magba-Bandila si Chiara Zambrano, exclusive. Bandila, Agosto 16, 2013, Biyernes
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/video/focus/08/16/13/priests-janet-napoles-payroll
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HYPOCRITE!!!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/9348_10200346075843469_601099439_n.jpg)
PRIESTS ON JANET NAPOLES' PAYROLL?
08/17/2013 1:29 AM
Hindi lang mga pulitiko, kundi pati mga miyembro ng Simbahang Katolika ang nasa listahan ng mga umano'y nakikinabang sa yaman ni Janet Lim Napoles. Ang isang monsinyor, dinadala pa nga raw ang imahe ng Poong Nazareno sa bahay ng mga Napoles para pagdasalan. Magba-Bandila si Chiara Zambrano, exclusive. Bandila, Agosto 16, 2013, Biyernes
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/video/focus/08/16/13/priests-janet-napoles-payroll
That guy does not fool me.
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That guy does not fool me.
Parang yun contra bida sa Fast and Furious. Yun Mexican drug smuggler. Nagpunta sa isang church and donated a big sum of money para ipagdasal siya at mapatawad siya.
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Can the CBCP be more "popish" than the Pope?
Pope Francis: Gays, Abortion Too Much Of Catholic Church's Obsession
Pope Francis faulted the Roman Catholic church for focusing too much on gays, abortion and contraception, saying the church has become "obsessed" with those issues to the detriment of its larger mission to be "home for all," according to an extensive new interview published Thursday.
The church can share its views on homosexuality, abortion and other issues, but should not "interfere spiritually" with the lives of gays and lesbians, the pope added in the interview, which was published in La Civilta Cattolica, a Rome-based Jesuit journal.
“We have to find a new balance, otherwise even the moral edifice of the church is likely to fall like a house of cards, losing the freshness and fragrance of the Gospel," Francis said in the interview.
"The church has sometimes locked itself up in small things, in small-minded rules,' Francis said. "The people of God want pastors, not clergy acting like bureaucrats or government officials."
The 12,000-word interview ranges widely, touching upon the pope's personal faith, the role of women and nuns in the church, Latin Mass and even the pope's favorite artists.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/19/pope-francis-gay_n_3954776.html
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That guy does not fool me.
He should instruct all priests not to accept donations from politicians
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Pope Francis:"The people of God want pastors, not clergy acting like bureaucrats or government officials."
http://bit.ly/1ff1hLd
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Pope Francis: Church must end obsession with gays, contraception, abortion
http://j.mp/16tlLZP
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Jesuit thinkers warn 'theological bullying' driving away Catholics
"The Catholic Church is in trouble – even in Catholic Philippines," Ateneo de Davao University president Fr. Joel Tabora, S.J. pronounced in a blog post last Thursday. "There ought to be great concern. People have been leaving the Catholic Church. People are about to leave the Church. What I am picking up is exasperation... People are tired of being treated as if they were younger than adolescents, of being scolded... People are tired of obstinate claims to absolute truth, when the thinking world continues to seek truth.
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/294290/news/nation/jesuit-thinkers-warn-theological-bullying-driving-away-catholics
A Jesuit statement, echoed by a Jesuit pope months later. God bless the Society of Jesus!
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To give another perspective. The CHURCH accepts donations.... so if you are the person who will donate. Is it okay for you to be asked.... where did the source of your donation come from? Is it through your own efforts or through corrupt means? I am not making any judgement calls. but a donor in this case money or goods are assumed to be given by a good natured person who likes to help. If the intention of that person is good or not then it is only within him/her that will be the truth. Now if the one who accepts the donation uses it for good purposes as intended to be.. then what is wrong with that?
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MANILA, Philippines – Philippine Catholic leaders are standing firm against contraception, abortion and homosexual marriage despite Pope Francis' comments urging a change of tone on those issues, the national Church said Tuesday, September 24.
http://www.rappler.com/nation/39717-ph-church-right-despite-pope-francis-comments
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MANILA, Philippines – Philippine Catholic leaders are standing firm against contraception, abortion and homosexual marriage despite Pope Francis' comments urging a change of tone on those issues, the national Church said Tuesday, September 24.
http://www.rappler.com/nation/39717-ph-church-right-despite-pope-francis-comments
once a Damaso, always a Damaso.
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once a Damaso, always a Damaso.
alan c. robles @hotmanila 1h
#RHLAW: Principles of anti-RH "science" and "tech"
1. obey the priest
2. obey the bishop
3. let us pray
4. amen.
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5. more people, more donations
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Something worth learning and sharing. It's about a recent development in Utah.
"What irks Mormons, evangelicals, and any religious group seeking to force their dogmata and beliefs on the people is that despite their machinations, the bible is not, and never will be, the Constitution and America’s justice system is not about to let it be."
http://www.politicususa.com/2013/12/24/religious-conservatives-thrown-frenzied-panic-court-impose-biblical-law.html
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Bishop eyes free wifi in parishes
http://www.rappler.com/nation/49465-pasig-bishop-vergara-free-wifi-parishes
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Anything to keep young people in churches!
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Bishop eyes free wifi in parishes
http://www.rappler.com/nation/49465-pasig-bishop-vergara-free-wifi-parishes
isang malaking LOL yata
oh well sabagay basta may inaabot ka abuloy OK lang free wifi ;D
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Nagproblema na nga sila dati.
NEWS
Philippines telcos sue church ISP for fraud
Friday 31 May 2002 10:30
Telecommunication companies are poised to take the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines (CBCP) to court for large scale fraud following the failure of its Church-run Internet service provider, CBCPNet.
The 500m peso (£6.8m) class suit against the influential bishops' group is being brought by a group of CBCPNet suppliers and creditors, including the Philippine Communication Satellite Corporation (Philcomsat), Bayantel, and the Philippine Long Distance Telephone Company (PLDT).
CBCPNet closed down this year after only two years of operation, with losses reportedly running to 190m pesos. Local mailing lists were rife with stories of shady deals but these could not be substantiated.
Established in 2000 as an alternative to commercial ISPs, CBCPNet was supposed to serve as the Church's watchdog against online pornography, safeguarding children and other users by using filtering software. The ISP employed monitoring personnel on 24-hour shifts to check new pornographic Web sites to update its lists. It acquired satellite dishes from Philcomsat as well as a number of Hewlett-Packard servers and had also received around 200 ISDN and 80 leased lines from both Bayantel and the Philippine Long Distance Telephone Company (PLDT).
In an interview with Computerworld Philippines before CBCPNet closed down, Monsignor Pedro Quitorio III, assistant secretary general of the company, talked about the group's grand plans for the CBCPNet.
Quitorio said the CBCP planned to build a backbone for each of the country's 79 dioceses to expand the ISP's reach nationwide, provide Internet access to the poor and efficiently network its disaster response in calamity areas.
The group also wanted to load the ISP's servers with farming technology and information on livelihood projects that could be accessed by families in remote areas, said Quitorio. It planned to develop Internet cards, e-mail, Web hosting and Web designing services as well.
It also hoped to build 1,400 Internet centres nationwide via parishes and Catholic schools across the Phillipines as well as expand its network to unserved areas like Bicol, eastern Visayas and eastern Mindanao.
By April 2001 CBCPNet had entered into an agreement with Microsoft Philippines to roll out technology training and certification programs for the parishes and Catholic schools through implementations of Microsoft's software and volume licensing program for the ISP.
However the scale of the plans demanded substantial investment and after two years all funds had been spent.
Telecom companies accuse the CBCP of convincing its creditors and suppliers such as Philcomsat, Globe Telecoms, PLDT and Bayantel to put in 327m pesos worth of equipment and services to CBCPNet. The companies say that CBCP underwrote all deals with CBCPNet and is now refusing to honour them.
http://www.computerweekly.com/news/2240045910/Philippines-telcos-sue-church-ISP-for-fraud
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SARADO KATOLIKO? Filipino Catholics most loyal to
Church teachings except on contraception - survey
By: Tricia Aquino, InterAksyon.com
February 10, 2014 9:36 AM
MANILA - Filipino Catholics support Church teachings on abortion, divorce, same-sex marriage, and priesthood, but are opposed to its anti-contraception stance, a global survey revealed Sunday.
http://www.interaksyon.com/article/80438/sarado-katoliko-filipino-catholics-most-loyal-to-church-teachings-except-on-contraception---survey (http://www.interaksyon.com/article/80438/sarado-katoliko-filipino-catholics-most-loyal-to-church-teachings-except-on-contraception---survey)
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I think the takeaway message for the Catholic Church is to just rephrase and clarify their teachings. They think any disagreement with them is a result of misunderstanding or misinformation or maybe they didn't say their message in the right way rather then: They've heard it. They understood it. They simply disagree.
Pinoys are so backwards in those other issues. It's kind of sad.
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8 Reasons Why the CBCP’s Anti-Vaccination Article Is Mind-Blowingly Irresponsible
http://8list.ph/cbcp-the-truth-about-vaccines/
CBCP’s Anti-Vaccination Article
http://www.cbcpnews.com/cbcpnews/?p=32904
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Christians, You’re Not Victims
From what I read and hear, conservative evangelical Christians are feeling victimized by developments in American culture and in the ways they are being treated under new anti-discrimination laws. In ever greater numbers, they are appealing to the courts to grant them “relief” from regulations that they feel violates their freedom of religion. “Religious liberty” has become the rallying cry for a legal “remedy” to the violation of what they see as their freedom to practice their religion.
It is understandable that religious conservatives would feel uncomfortable and unsettled by recent developments in the church and in the culture. But are they victims? Is there, as many would claim, a “war on religion?”
More at http://news.yahoo.com/christians-not-victims-040000977--politics.html
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http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/382618/news/world/catholic-church-should-scrap-phrase-living-in-sin-cardinal
Catholic Church should scrap phrase 'living in sin' – cardinal
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http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/382618/news/world/catholic-church-should-scrap-phrase-living-in-sin-cardinal
Catholic Church should scrap phrase 'living in sin' – cardinal
Correct move!
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The relevance and influence of CBCP is slowly eroding its influence in society because of education, mass media and the Internet.
So in our time they may matter but 1-2 decades time they'll be as influential in politics as the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.
An example of eroding influence is the fact that the RH Bill became law. Kulang na lang yung gay marriage, divorce, death penalty and ultimately legalized abortion.
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The relevance and influence of CBCP is slowly eroding its influence in society because of education, mass media and the Internet.
So in our time they may matter but 1-2 decades time they'll be as influential in politics as the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.
An example of eroding influence is the fact that the RH Bill became law. Kulang na lang yung gay marriage, divorce, death penalty and ultimately legalized abortion.
never under estimate the power of the Roman Catholic... it adopts...
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never under estimate the power of the Roman Catholic... it adopts...
With the many many unwanted babies caused by their stand on contraception and abortion they should consider adopting them. :)
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With the many many unwanted babies caused by their stand on contraception and abortion they should consider adopting them. :)
yes... they take something and make it their own... whether by sword or by cross....
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yes... they take something and make it their own... whether by sword or by cross....
what do you mean by this?
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yes... they take something and make it their own... whether by sword or by cross....
what do you mean by this?
Matalinhaga si dpogs!
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yes... they take something and make it their own... whether by sword or by cross....
what do you mean by this?
Habang hinihintay natin ang sagot si sir dpogs, makikisabat muna ako...
I think sir dpogs is referring to the practice of forced conversion by Catholicism during the middle ages.
Parang sa Philippines, dumating ang Spaniards, dala ang "cross" (Catholicism). Maraming nag convert sa Catholicism (I refuse to call it "Christianity"). Pero ayaw ng Muslims. Ang solution --- "sword" or forced conversion by violence, which they called "bellum iustum" (just war) or "bellum sacrum" (holy war).
In other words, ang approach during those times, kumbinsihin n'yo; pero pag ayaw, patayin n'yo... :D
Pero wala nang ganon sa Catholic Church ngayon, siyempre.
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Habang hinihintay natin ang sagot si sir dpogs, makikisabat muna ako...
I think sir dpogs is referring to the practice of forced conversion by Catholicism during the middle ages.
Parang sa Philippines, dumating ang Spaniards, dala ang "cross" (Catholicism). Maraming nag convert sa Catholicism (I refuse to call it "Christianity"). Pero ayaw ng Muslims. Ang solution --- "sword" or forced conversion by violence, which they called "bellum iustum" (just war) or "bellum sacrum" (holy war).
In other words, ang approach during those times, kumbinsihin n'yo; pero pag ayaw, patayin n'yo... :D
Pero wala nang ganon sa Catholic Church ngayon, siyempre.
tama ka po... i am referring sa panahon na iyon... but i believe nangyayari pa rin yan ngayon... though wala ng sword :)
paano ba dumadami o nagkakaroon ng bagong member ang Roman Catholic ngayon.... most of us here... paano ba tayo naging katoliko dati? is it your own will?
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I do not mind being Catholic. I am what they call cafeteria Catholicism, I pick and choose what makes sense to me.
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paano ba dumadami o nagkakaroon ng bagong member ang Roman Catholic ngayon.... most of us here... paano ba tayo naging katoliko dati? is it your own will?
child indoctrination
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child indoctrination
Correct!
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Catholic Church could reform stands on divorce and homosexuality. (http://www.rappler.com/world/global-affairs/71918-catholic-church-paper-divorce-gays?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=referral)
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Catholic Church could reform stands on divorce and homosexuality. (http://www.rappler.com/world/global-affairs/71918-catholic-church-paper-divorce-gays?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=referral)
If the Church can accept evolution, how come it still debating its stand on homosexuality and divorce?
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Catholic Church could reform stands on divorce and homosexuality. (http://www.rappler.com/world/global-affairs/71918-catholic-church-paper-divorce-gays?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=referral)
Hindi ko maintindihan ang stand nila dati with regards to this topic.
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Hindi ko maintindihan ang stand nila dati with regards to this topic.
They want to be more compassionate and understanding towards homosexuals but at the same time they are very hesitant of letting go of their belief that homosexuality is an "inherent disorder" and that gays are better off just living chaste lives if they want to remain in the Church.
Despite the fact that medical science has already proven that homosexuality is natural and not a mental disorder over 40 years ago, the more conservative factions within the Church flat-out refuse to accept it.
I'm guessing that there are people in the Church who sense that more and more people have become more accepting of homosexuality and realize rightly that the Church must change with the times but at the same time these same people do not want to alienate the more conservative people in the Church.
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it's Evolution at work. it's either you adapt or you die.
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Klaus Weasley: "....that medical science has already proven that homosexuality is natural and not a mental disorder over over 40 years ago... "
says who, Klaus Weasley ?
since you started it (again)..
may i share
Joseph Sciambra: How Our Lord Jesus Christ Saved Me From Homosexuality, Pornography, and the Occult
http://www.josephsciambra.com/2014/10/family-synod-statement-on-homosexuality.html
[ that many of those with homosexual inclinations are incredibly empathetic towards the sufferings of others; mainly because we have endured much throughout our childhoods - either from abuse or neglect. ]
THE VINS SANTIAGO STORY
http://mandalaganbaptistchurch.wordpress.com/2013/11/29/the-vins-santiago-story-mmk-full-movie/
Jesus Christ Saved Me from 27 Years of Homosexuality
http://illbehonest.com/jesus-christ-saved-me-from-27-years-of-homosexuality-david-upton
if i may digress further
Science Facts on Homosexual Unions
Monday, December 5, 2011
http://primacyofreason.blogspot.com/2011/12/science-facts-on-same-sex-marriage.html
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i told you... they dont just adopt... they also adapt... that is why never under estimate Roman Catholic... we may be think at first lost its power over the Philippines but its not...
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update:
good news, at this point in time...
Bishops insist homosexuality still a sin as Vatican plays down opening to gays
By ANGUS MACKINNON, Agence France-PresseOctober 15, 2014 12:11am
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/383574/news/world/bishops-insist-homosexuality-still-a-sin-as-vatican-plays-down-opening-to-gays
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What the Vatican Really Said About Homosexuality
It's not the big shift people think it is
http://time.com/3502522/pope-francis-vatican-catholic-church-homosexuality/
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if i may digress further
Science Facts on Homosexual Unions
Monday, December 5, 2011
http://primacyofreason.blogspot.com/2011/12/science-facts-on-same-sex-marriage.html
Ummm, a lot of these "facts" are extrapolated from the Regnerus study which was widely discredited by the mainstream scientific, medical, psychological and psychiatric community. It also links to the Family Research Council, a super conservative anti-LGBT hate group, only a few notches above the Westboro Baptist Church. A lot of these groups have exported anti-LGBT type of Christianity to Africa and Russia where being LGBT is illegal and carries heavy prison sentences and even death.
I suggest you check out more reputable studies on LGBT people, bass_nut, like these:
American Psychological Association on sexual orientation (http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientation.aspx)
All the objective research on the effects of children being raised by same sex couples. (http://journalistsresource.org/studies/society/gender-society/same-sex-marriage-children-well-being-research-roundup#)
Homosexuality is found in nature and therefore is NATURAL. (http://www.yalescientific.org/2012/03/do-animals-exhibit-homosexuality/)
bass_nut, I hate to break this to you but you may be sighing a breath of relief now that the Church is still sort-of, kind of on your side (although I suspect, you probably want science and the government to round all LGBT's and have them "normalized" if not outright exterminated because you seem to be far too narrow-minded, stubborn, self-righteous and stuck-in-your-ways to have to deal with people being "different") but I think you will live to see the day when the Church will officiate/bless same sex marriages/unions.
The Church of course is pussy-footing because they know that a significant chunk of their money come from people like you.
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Kapag sinabi kong homosexuality (an act - not the person) is a sin...
Kapag sinabi kong attraction to opposite sex is some sort of phycological disorder...
eto ang ibabalik sa akin ng mga supporter ng LGBT... i am a faggot, narrow-minded, stubborn, self-righteous and will accuse me as homosexual hater (as if we want them kill)...
sino ngayon ay may hate issue?
kapag ba sinabi kong kasalanan ang homosexuality... ibig bang sabihin noon na gusto na naming patayin o galit na agad kami sa isang homosexual? galit ako sa homosexuality (is because i view it as a sin) but not to the person... i still believe that in some cases (most of them)... open rebuke is better than secret love :)
kapag ba sinabi naming ang homosexualty ay isang sakit at kailangan ng panglunas... ibig bang sabihin noon ay kinamumuhian na namin ang taong may sakit?
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Kapag sinabi kong homosexuality (an act - not the person) is a sin...
Kapag sinabi kong attraction to opposite sex is some sort of phycological disorder...
Kasi nga, hindi sya sin. Hindi rin sya disorder. Kaya wag ng ipilit na merong mali o abnormal o kailangang gamutin sa kanila.
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Kasi nga, hindi sya sin. Hindi rin sya disorder. Kaya wag ng ipilit na merong mali o abnormal o kailangang gamutin sa kanila.
well... i voice out my opinion... and by simply voicing opinion and belief... madali nang husgahan na kami ay homosexual hater... na kami ay narrowminded (this apply on both side) parehong nagmamatigasan at narrowminded sa kanikanilang paniniwala...
as far as the catholic and modern world is concern... someday this two will merge... Roman Catholic will embrace what the majority of this world wants and modern wolrd will learn to accept Roman Catholic's purpose...
kung noon hindi naniniwala ang RC na ang sun ang center ng solar system... someday/sooner or later RC (specifically Pope) will accept homosexuality and will not condemn homosexuals/bisexuals/etc and still stay in power...
i dont know... siguro halos lahat ng RC members ngayon ang sasabihin ay... kung ano lang ang gusto ko sa RC iyon lang inaabsorb ko... ill get what i think is right for me... but will stay as RC member... tsk...
never understimate the organization of Bishops...
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well... i voice out my opinion... and by simply voicing opinion and belief... madali nang husgahan na kami ay homosexual hater... na kami ay narrowminded (this apply on both side) parehong nagmamatigasan at narrowminded sa kanikanilang paniniwala...
Ang problema kasi, we used the word "sin" and "disorder" sa opinion natin. Diyos ba tayo to know it's a sin? Are we medical experts to say it can be a disorder?
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Ang problema kasi, we used the word "sin" and "disorder" sa opinion natin. Diyos ba tayo to know it's a sin? Are we medical experts to say it can be a disorder?
same here... Diyos ba tayo to declare that it is 'right'... are we medical experts to say it is not a disorder? :)
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same here... Diyos ba tayo to declare that it is 'right'... are we medical experts to say it is not a disorder? :)
Keep that up and you're really justifying that narrow-minded, judgmental, hater tag.
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Keep that up and you're really justifying that narrow-minded, judgmental, hater tag.
see... kapag kayo magganyan ayos lang... kapag kami na... galit na agad :) binalik ko lang ang sinabi mo... tapos na label na agad na narrow-minded, judgemental hater etc...
nang nirase mo ba sa akin yan ... narininggan mo ba ako na napakanarrow minded mo naman... ?
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see... kapag kayo magganyan ayos lang... kapag kami na... galit na agad :) binalik ko lang ang sinabi mo... tapos na label na agad na narrow-minded, judgemental hater etc...
nang nirase mo ba sa akin yan ... narininggan mo ba ako na napakanarrow minded mo naman... ?
Hey, I'm not labeling you. I'm saying ganyan iisipin sayo ng tao if you keep that up.
E wala naman akong sinabing hindi sya sin e. Wala rin naman akong sinabing hindi sya disorder. What I'm saying is I don't know. If I don't know something, e di, status quo, until the authorities/experts say so or otherwise.
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same here... Diyos ba tayo to declare that it is 'right'... are we medical experts to say it is not a disorder? :)
Medical experts HAVE spoken: It is not a disorder.
And if homosexuality is found in NATURE (animals have exhibited homosexual behavior), therefore gawa yan ni God kaya hindi siya kasalanan. It is theorized that homosexuality is nature's way of controlling a large population of species.
As for the passages that say homosexuality is a sin:
1. Leviticus - Yes, Leviticus explicitly condemns male homosexual acts. But Leviticus also condemns working on a Sabbath, eating pork, mixing two different fabrics, shaving, etc. So unless you follow all the other rules in Leviticus, you're a bigot if you cite that one passage and disregard the others.
2. Jesus - The number of times Jesus explicitly condemned homosexuality = 0. In fact, depending on how you interpret it, there is a story in the Bible that implies that Jesus may in fact be okay with homosexuality. That's the story of how he healed the Roman soldier's young "slave". In the original text, they use the term PAIS, which can mean slave but it can also mean teenage boy lover. Why would a Roman soldier go out of his way to have Jesus heal a mere "slave"? Maybe because he loves this boy more than a friend?
3. St. Paul - St. Paul seems to condemn homosexuality a lot. But he's also pretty sexist and dislikes all non-procreative marital sexuality. He wasn't even part of Jesus' original disciples and was in direct with Jesus anyway so it's kind of crazy a lot of mainstream Christianity's comes from his teachings/interpretations of Jesus' message. But whatever. Anyway, that aside, many Biblical scholars believe that what St. Paul was condemning was homosexual PROSTITUTION, not a committed relationship between a homosexual couple.
Oh and early Christians practiced gay marriage. (http://io9.com/gay-marriage-in-the-year-100-ad-951140108)
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Medical experts HAVE spoken: It is not a disorder.
And if homosexuality is found in NATURE (animals have exhibited homosexual behavior), therefore gawa yan ni God kaya hindi siya kasalanan. It is theorized that homosexuality is nature's way of controlling a large population of species.
As for the passages that say homosexuality is a sin:
1. Leviticus - Yes, Leviticus explicitly condemns male homosexual acts. But Leviticus also condemns working on a Sabbath, eating pork, mixing two different fabrics, shaving, etc. So unless you follow all the other rules in Leviticus, you're a bigot if you cite that one passage and disregard the others.
2. Jesus - The number of times Jesus explicitly condemned homosexuality = 0. In fact, depending on how you interpret it, there is a story in the Bible that implies that Jesus may in fact be okay with homosexuality. That's the story of how he healed the Roman soldier's young "slave". In the original text, they use the term PAIS, which can mean slave but it can also mean teenage boy lover. Why would a Roman soldier go out of his way to have Jesus heal a mere "slave"? Maybe because he loves this boy more than a friend?
3. St. Paul - St. Paul seems to condemn homosexuality a lot. But he's also pretty sexist and dislikes all non-procreative marital sexuality. He wasn't even part of Jesus' original disciples and was in direct with Jesus anyway so it's kind of crazy a lot of mainstream Christianity's comes from his teachings/interpretations of Jesus' message. But whatever. Anyway, that aside, many Biblical scholars believe that what St. Paul was condemning was homosexual PROSTITUTION, not a committed relationship between a homosexual couple.
Oh and early Christians practiced gay marriage. (http://io9.com/gay-marriage-in-the-year-100-ad-951140108)
dont worry... CBCP will embrace homosexuality soon... and you know the reason why :)
take note: I never said that RC is Christianity...
qoute: "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; ..."
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pa ot, dun sa nagsasabi na hindi disorder ang pagiging bakla or tibo;
pano yun mga naging bakla or tibo dahil na-molestya nung bata?
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pa ot, dun sa nagsasabi na hindi disorder ang pagiging bakla or tibo;
pano yun mga naging bakla or tibo dahil na-molestya nung bata?
Read this. (http://www.pandys.org/articles/abuseandhomosexuality.html)
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Medical experts HAVE spoken: It is not a disorder.
And if homosexuality is found in NATURE (animals have exhibited homosexual behavior), therefore gawa yan ni God kaya hindi siya kasalanan. It is theorized that homosexuality is nature's way of controlling a large population of species.
As for the passages that say homosexuality is a sin:
1. Leviticus - Yes, Leviticus explicitly condemns male homosexual acts. But Leviticus also condemns working on a Sabbath, eating pork, mixing two different fabrics, shaving, etc. So unless you follow all the other rules in Leviticus, you're a bigot if you cite that one passage and disregard the others.
2. Jesus - The number of times Jesus explicitly condemned homosexuality = 0. In fact, depending on how you interpret it, there is a story in the Bible that implies that Jesus may in fact be okay with homosexuality. That's the story of how he healed the Roman soldier's young "slave". In the original text, they use the term PAIS, which can mean slave but it can also mean teenage boy lover. Why would a Roman soldier go out of his way to have Jesus heal a mere "slave"? Maybe because he loves this boy more than a friend?
3. St. Paul - St. Paul seems to condemn homosexuality a lot. But he's also pretty sexist and dislikes all non-procreative marital sexuality. He wasn't even part of Jesus' original disciples and was in direct with Jesus anyway so it's kind of crazy a lot of mainstream Christianity's comes from his teachings/interpretations of Jesus' message. But whatever. Anyway, that aside, many Biblical scholars believe that what St. Paul was condemning was homosexual PROSTITUTION, not a committed relationship between a homosexual couple.
Oh and early Christians practiced gay marriage. (http://io9.com/gay-marriage-in-the-year-100-ad-951140108)
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Condemning male sexual acts with men.
Lev. 18:22 Leviticus 18:22New International Version (NIV)
22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
Working on Sabbath.
Leviticus 23:3New International Version (NIV)
The Sabbath
3 “‘There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a sabbath to the Lord.
This means you choose a sabbath day. Dati kasi, walang gregorian calendar, so whatever 7th day you choose, that will be your sabbath day. Example, your work starts with Wednesday, 6 days a week. So your sabbath day would be Tuesday if that is your rest day.
Matthew 12 New International Version (NIV)
Jesus Is Lord of the Sabbath
12 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. 2 When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, “Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath.”
3 He answered, “Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4 He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. 5 Or haven’t you read in the Law that the priests on Sabbath duty in the temple desecrate the Sabbath and yet are innocent? 6 I tell you that something greater than the temple is here. 7 If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’[a] you would not have condemned the innocent. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”
Eating pork.
Leviticus 11-17New International Version (NIV)
Clean and Unclean Food
11 The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, 2 “Say to the Israelites: ‘Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones you may eat: 3 You may eat any animal that has a divided hoof and that chews the cud.
4 “‘There are some that only chew the cud or only have a divided hoof, but you must not eat them. The camel, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is ceremonially unclean for you. 5 The hyrax, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is unclean for you. 6 The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is unclean for you. 7 And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. 8 You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.
The law was meant for the Israelites.
Mixing different fabrics.
Leviticus 19:19New International Version (NIV)
19 “‘Keep my decrees.
“‘Do not mate different kinds of animals.
“‘Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.
“‘Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.
This I cannot answer on my own. However, after a few research with the help of pareng google, this is what I got:
To set the israelites apart from other people because they are starting to be independent.
http://thecripplegate.com/shellfish-mixed-fabrics-and-homosexuality-picking-and-choosing/
2 different fabrics have different shrinking tolerances. Wala pang synthetic fabrics that time so one might shrink faster than the other:
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091230065526AARY107
It is a decree for the Israelites:
Leviticus 19:1-2New International Version (NIV)
Various Laws
19 The Lord said to Moses, 2 “Speak to the entire assembly of Israel and say to them: ‘Be holy because I, the Lord your God, am holy.
Shaving.
Leviticus 19:27New International Version (NIV)
27 “‘Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.
http://www.nehemiaswall.com/shaving-beards-sidelocks
Every ancient person knew that one cut one’s skin or shaved one’s head as an act of mourning, and it was these acts of mourning that are being prohibited in Lev 19. While the mourning connotation of cutting flesh and shaving may not be obvious to the modern reader, we have seen that the Torah itself, as well as the later prophets, take it as a given that cutting one’s flesh and shaving one’s head are characteristic acts of mourning along with crying and wearing sackcloth.
Again, a law for the Israelites under Leviticus 19.
2. Jesus healing the slave or Pais.
Matthew 8:5-13New International Version (NIV)
The Faith of the Centurion
5 When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. 6 “Lord,” he said, “my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly.”
7 Jesus said to him, “Shall I come and heal him?”
8 The centurion replied, “Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”
10 When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
13 Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would.” And his servant was healed at that moment.
I see nothing wrong with healing a slave or a Pais.
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Romans 1:25-27New International Version (NIV)
25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
It is not just prostitution but the sexual act itself.
Understanding the bible:
http://www.gotquestions.org/understand-the-Bible.html
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pa ot, dun sa nagsasabi na hindi disorder ang pagiging bakla or tibo;
pano yun mga naging bakla or tibo dahil na-molestya nung bata?
Free will?
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Qoute "Its not just prostitution but the sexual act itself"...
I am not condemning homosexual... only homosexuality... I hate homosexuality as much as I hate lying and adultery and murder... but it doesnt mean that I hate homsexual, liars, adulterers or murderers... I hate sins but I dont hate sinners... I myself is sinner also :)
Take note that God hate sins... not sinners... He even sacrificed Himself for sinners...
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Qoute "Its not just prostitution but the sexual act itself"...
I am not condemning homosexual... only homosexuality... I hate homosexuality as much as I hate lying and adultery and murder... but it doesnt mean that I hate homsexual, liars, adulterers or murderers... I hate sins but I dont hate sinners... I myself is sinner also :)
Take note that God hate sins... not sinners... He even sacrificed Himself for sinners...
Correct! Sino ba naman tayo to condemn people. Bagay na bagay sa sig mo!
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parang mali. di ba gays din yung nasa likod ng Pope?
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(http://38.media.tumblr.com/8a4aecb834f3dc229596a4d63f10b46b/tumblr_ndjh7sfvJe1qd65vgo1_500.jpg)
parang mali. di ba gays din yung nasa likod ng Pope?
;D ;D ;D
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I am not condemning homosexual... only homosexuality... I hate homosexuality as much as I hate lying and adultery and murder... but it doesnt mean that I hate homsexual, liars, adulterers or murderers... I hate sins but I dont hate sinners... I myself is sinner also :)
dpogs, you have never answered this question: What is so objectively bad about homosexuality?
What makes two people of same sex who are in a committed loving relationship sinners? Murderers, liars, thieves and rapists HURT people. Sino ang sinasaktan ng dalawang babae o dalawang lalake na nagmamahalan kagaya ng babae at lalake na nagmamahalan din? What's the big difference? What's the harm?
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dpogs, you have never answered this question: What is so objectively bad about homosexuality?
What makes two people of same sex who are in a committed loving relationship sinners? Murderers, liars, thieves and rapists HURT people. Sino ang sinasaktan ng dalawang babae o dalawang lalake na nagmamahalan kagaya ng babae at lalake na nagmamahalan din? What's the big difference? What's the harm?
I agree with this. I believe mas makasalanan pa ang malakas kumanta ng videoke kesa sa same sex relationship.
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dpogs, you have never answered this question: What is so objectively bad about homosexuality?
What makes two people of same sex who are in a committed loving relationship sinners? Murderers, liars, thieves and rapists HURT people. Sino ang sinasaktan ng dalawang babae o dalawang lalake na nagmamahalan kagaya ng babae at lalake na nagmamahalan din? What's the big difference? What's the harm?
ill answer this in LGBT thread...
dont worry... CBCP will accept gays...
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dont worry... CBCP will accept gays...
sir dpogs, the Catholic community accepts gays/lesbians as we obey/follow/imitate JESUS CHRIST's ways of converting lost ones back to GOD. it is the homosexual acts that are not acceptable.
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sir dpogs, the Catholic community accepts gays/lesbians as we obey/follow/imitate JESUS CHRIST's ways of converting lost ones back to GOD. it is the homosexual acts that are not acceptable.
that is so true...
kasi lahat ng hindi agree sa idea ng mga LGBT activist branded as "child beater", "ignorant", "bigot", ano pa... maraming puwedeng itawag sa iyo... nasabihan lang na mali ang ginagawa, nasabihan lang na hindi_normal/abnormal ang gawain... aba eh... branded as homophobe ka na :):)...
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sir dpogs, here are some more peborit words of lgbt activists :o ;D =>
-narrow minded
-idiot, moron
-stone aged mind
-hatred
-religiot
-judgmental
-etc
homophobia is just a term created by lgbt activists to try and make it look like normal people are the problem.
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well most of the case... those who acquire/gained worldly knowledge doesnt want to be corrected by "religious" people...
ang dami pala tawag sa mga katulad nating hindi agree sa idea ng homosexuality... ni hinid man lang nila narealize na open rebuke is better than secret love.
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sir dpogs, the Catholic community accepts gays/lesbians as we obey/follow/imitate JESUS CHRIST's ways of converting lost ones back to GOD. it is the homosexual acts that are not acceptable.
This is so true, it is what is being done behind closed doors that is not acceptable, if they want companionship and they can fight the urge to do these homosexual acts then I am fine with it.
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sir dpogs, here are some more peborit words of lgbt activists :o ;D =>
-narrow minded
-idiot, moron
-stone aged mind
-hatred
-religiot
-judgmental
-etc
homophobia is just a term created by lgbt activists to try and make it look like normal people are the problem.
meron pa ako isang nadinig, yun bigotry ba yun? ;D
well most of the case... those who acquire/gained worldly knowledge doesnt want to be corrected by "religious" people...
Ako naman, the way I look at it, we are given knowledge by our creator. Stewarts tayo and we should use it wisely for God's glory. And we acknowledge na galing sa creator ang knowledge natin. Hence if you don't believe in God, kanino ka accountable? Who do you honor when you do good works? Kanino mo i-acknowledge ang source of knowledge mo?
50 years ago, nobody wears super short shorts or micro mini skirts. Ngayon normal lang. Isn't that a good example of changing moralities?
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sir dpogs, the Catholic community accepts gays/lesbians as we obey/follow/imitate JESUS CHRIST's ways of converting lost ones back to GOD. it is the homosexual acts that are not acceptable.
Number of times Jesus spoke against homosexual acts and homosexual relationships = zero.
So at worst, He was indifferent. And depending on how you interpret that one story involving the Roman centurion asking Jesus to heal his "slave" (in some texts, the "slave" is referred to as "pais", which also means "teenage boy lover"), maybe even pro-gay.
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Number of times Jesus spoke against homosexual acts and homosexual relationships = zero.
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kw, you may want to read on Mark 10:6-7, etc
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/book.php?book=Mark&chapter=10&verse=6
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meron pa ako isang nadinig, yun bigotry ba yun? ;D
Ako naman, the way I look at it, we are given knowledge by our creator. Stewarts tayo and we should use it wisely for God's glory. And we acknowledge na galing sa creator ang knowledge natin. Hence if you don't believe in God, kanino ka accountable? Who do you honor when you do good works? Kanino mo i-acknowledge ang source of knowledge mo?
50 years ago, nobody wears super short shorts or micro mini skirts. Ngayon normal lang. Isn't that a good example of changing moralities?
1) yes, "bigotry" is one of the peborit of lgbt activists, sirs Nelson, marvs, dpogs ;)
2) they will cherry-pick Bible passages. if and when explanations and/or proper context to these passages were shared by Christians for clarity and in hopes of enlightening the confused ones, the lgbt activists will resort to INSULTING/ATTACKING the messenger(s) and GOD.
3) GOD works in various and mysterious ways. former gays with contrite hearts are clear examples.
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3) GOD works in various and mysterious ways.
Indeed. So don't be surprised if you gays in heaven.
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Indeed. So don't be surprised if you gays in heaven.
there's an "if" in your sentence ?
since i seldom open my Community version Holy Bible, can you please enlighten me through any Bible passage(s) which may support your "if".. that is, if ok with you ;)
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there's an "if" in your sentence ?
since i seldom open my Community version Holy Bible, can you please enlighten me through any Bible passage(s) which may support your "if".. that is, if ok with you ;)
And who told you that the heaven you'll be going to is the heaven mentioned in your Bible?
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And who told you that the heaven you'll be going to is the heaven mentioned in your Bible?
i am guessing you can not cite any passage ? ;D
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i am guessing you can not cite any passage ? ;D
Why would I cite anything? I don't even read it ;D Please don't assume too much.
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Indeed. So don't be surprised if you gays in heaven.
Why would I cite anything? I don't even read it ;D Please don't assume too much.
The God that I know He is.
aprub !! :o ;D
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so your sentence was based on ? :o ;D
The God that I know He is.
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Indeed. So don't be surprised if you gays in heaven.
Why would I cite anything? I don't even read it ;D Please don't assume too much.
The God that I know He is.
aprub !! :o ;D
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aprub !! :o ;D
Yeah, He loves you so much ;)
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Yeah, He loves you so much ;)
who ? ::) ;D
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And who told you that the heaven you'll be going to is the heaven mentioned in your Bible?
Try ko lang sagutin sir ha. Pero maybe this may or may not apply to your belief or faith pero going to heaven is a promise made by Jesus Christ for all of us.
John 3:16New International Version (NIV)
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
But outside the Bible, I cannot answer you sir.
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Try ko lang sagutin sir ha. Pero maybe this may or may not apply to your belief or faith pero going to heaven is a promise made by Jesus Christ for all of us.
John 3:16New International Version (NIV)
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
But outside the Bible, I cannot answer you sir.
Thanks for that, Nelson. I know that passage and I know you meant well. :)
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kw, you may want to read on Mark 10:6-7, etc
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/book.php?book=Mark&chapter=10&verse=6
I've read that passage. It seems the choice to interpret that particular passage as being against homosexuality is made by the one who is reading it.
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From a facebook post:
If cardinals believe that it is he Holy Spirit that works in the election of the Pope then what the #•*! Is
this Cardinal complaining about?
EH di sa Holy Spirit siya mag complain...
Unless of course this Cardinal is willing to admit that electing Popes is just a as human an exercise as
electing the president of your Rotary Club with factions and coalitions and all? Then he can complain.
So which is it kaya???
http://www.religionnews.com/2014/10/31/cardinal-catholic-church-pope-francis-ship-without-rudder/
VATICAN CITY (RNS) American Cardinal Raymond Burke, the feisty former archbishop of St. Louis who has emerged as the face of the opposition to Pope Francis’ reformist agenda, likened the Roman Catholic Church to “a ship without a rudder” in a fresh attack on the pope’s leadership.
In an interview with the Spanish Catholic weekly Vida Nueva, published Thursday (Oct. 30), Burke insisted he was not speaking out against the pope personally but raising concern about his leadership.
“Many have expressed their concerns to me. At this very critical moment, there is a strong sense that the church is like a ship without a rudder,” Burke said.
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^ excerpt from the url above.
When the synod signaled a more welcoming tone to gay and lesbian Catholics, Burke publicly accused the global gathering of bias and was among those who pushed for a less conciliatory approach in the final report.
Burke had previously said that Catholic families should not expose children to the “evil” of homosexuality by inviting a gay son home for Christmas with his partner.
In his latest interview, Burke said the church was “the pillar of marriage” and challenged the pope’s revolutionary “Who am I to judge?” remark on gay people.
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So at worst, He was indifferent. And depending on how you interpret that one story involving the Roman centurion asking Jesus to heal his "slave" (in some texts, the "slave" is referred to as "pais", which also means "teenage boy lover"), maybe even pro-gay.
Luke 7:2 says "doulos" (slave or servant). Matthew 8:5 says "pais" (child).
The definition of doulos under Strong's Number 1401: http://biblehub.com/greek/1401.htm (http://biblehub.com/greek/1401.htm)
The definition of pais under Strong's Number 3816: http://biblehub.com/greek/3816.htm (http://biblehub.com/greek/3816.htm)
Therefore, reconciling the two verses, the person referred to is a slave or servant who is a child.
The Greek Interlinear states:
Luke 7:2 - http://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/7.htm (http://biblehub.com/interlinear/luke/7.htm)
Matthew 8:5 - http://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/8.htm (http://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/8.htm)
To say that the servant is the centurion's homosexual lover is to add meaning that is not there.
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http://www.rappler.com/thought-leaders/73837-omg-om-meditation?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=referral
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^Yeah. That's idiotic.
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http://www.rappler.com/thought-leaders/73837-omg-om-meditation?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=referral
Just read the article. As a believer of JC and the Bible, I would have to partially agree with the catholic priest though I'm not a catholic. I have conditioned my mind (well as much and often as possible), to always fill it with God, the Holy Spirit, Jesus' teachings etc. There are times when I empty my mind, madaming tukso. ;D And sometimes, the temptation may come from my creative mind ;D or maybe from the devil himself. >:( We may or may not know. But it is also "possible" that it may come from the devil. No exact rule of the thumb.
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well said, sir Nelson ;)
to add: there seem to be good and bad side effects of yoga.
here's an interesting read =>
http://breakingmuscle.com/yoga/hot-yoga-the-dangers-and-myths-you-need-to-know
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well said, sir Nelson ;)
to add: there seem to be good and bad side effects of yoga.
here's an interesting read =>
http://breakingmuscle.com/yoga/hot-yoga-the-dangers-and-myths-you-need-to-know
Wow! Thanks for the good read! I never thought of it that way. But i'm sure there are also good effects of yoga but clearing my mind is not for me.
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Just read the article. As a believer of JC and the Bible, I would have to partially agree with the catholic priest though I'm not a catholic. I have conditioned my mind (well as much and often as possible), to always fill it with God, the Holy Spirit, Jesus' teachings etc. There are times when I empty my mind, madaming tukso. ;D And sometimes, the temptation may come from my creative mind ;D or maybe from the devil himself. >:( We may or may not know. But it is also "possible" that it may come from the devil. No exact rule of the thumb.
That's religion brainwashing you. Of course, the Catholic Church doesn't want you to"cleanse your mind" or else logic might seep in and their brainwashing/guilt trip/scare tactics might not work anymore and you will not give them any more money.
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That's religion brainwashing you. Of course, the Catholic Church doesn't want you to"cleanse your mind" or else logic might seep in and their brainwashing/guilt trip/scare tactics might not work anymore and you will not give them any more money.
And I also agree with you from your point of view. :D
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Just read the article. As a believer of JC and the Bible, I would have to partially agree with the catholic priest though I'm not a catholic. I have conditioned my mind (well as much and often as possible), to always fill it with God, the Holy Spirit, Jesus' teachings etc. There are times when I empty my mind, madaming tukso. ;D And sometimes, the temptation may come from my creative mind ;D or maybe from the devil himself. >:( We may or may not know. But it is also "possible" that it may come from the devil. No exact rule of the thumb.
I have a friend who is now a medical doctor, who used to be a member of the Ananda Marga, a religious group that practices tantra yoga. He says meditation requires you to empty your mind. Since it's impossible to think of nothing while meditating, the technique is to concentrate on a mantra, so that it's easier to block all other thoughts out.
He says "om" is a universal mantra, meaning it's a simple all-purpose mantra that works for everyone, which is why it's the mantra used by beginners.
For more advanced students, the guru assigns a personal mantra that can only be used by the person to whom it was assigned. It's usually a very long mantra, and you're not allowed to reveal it to anyone else. You're not even allowed to write it down. Kinuwento niya sa akin noong member pa siya, nahihiya daw siya sa guru, napakahaba ng mantra niya, nakakalimutan daw niya noong una, kaya pinapaulit pa niya sa guru during the next meditation sessions.
Tama na ang "om" ay isang yogic tool for emptying the mind. But it's not true that the devil can possess you while your mind is empty. Para kang robot na gagawin mo ang inutos sa iyo? That goes against free will.
For example, may galit ka sa isang tao. The devil reinforces your own hatred and tempts you to kill him. The devil tempts you to kill by deceiving you into believing that killing is justified in this case. Tapos pinatay mo nga.
So the evil thoughts actually originated with you, and the devil only tempted you to act. So you still killed out of your own free will. Hindi yung nag-meditate ka lang, tapos nung nagising ka, bigla kang nagdecide na patayin si Pedro... :D
The idea is nothing new. I think it first became popular after the movie "The Exorcist" was released. Delikado daw ang Ouija board, because it opens you up to demonic possession. Sumunod, noong nauso ang "TM" (transcendental meditation), ang sabi naman, yoga and meditation open you up to demonic possession.
These days, ang uso, New Age practices will open you up to demonic possession. ;)
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And I also agree with you from your point of view. :D
OFF TOPIC
despite EXTREMELY hateful comment from a chronic pseudo-genius, your kindness and tolerance are quite admirable, sir Nelson 8)
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Masama talaga ang maging hater, it's bad for your health... O0
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Masama talaga ang maging hater, it's bad for your health... O0
100% TRUE, sir barrister 8)
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“Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines.” -Bertrand Russell
If we were not colonized by white people with crosses, we might be as progressive as Japan today.
It is also likely that we would be in deeper crap. What if we were colonized by the Chinese?
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It is also likely that we would be in deeper crap. What if we were colonized by the Chinese?
What's wrong with the Chinese?
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Nothing wrong. It is a what if question. No one knows.
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Si master Tony tanungin niyo. Hehe!
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Si master Tony tanungin niyo. Hehe!
kung chinese, malamang hindi ka de leon, de leung ka master! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
kung japanese, malamang de reung ka master! ;D ;D ;D ;D
kung amerikano, malamang of lion ka master! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Darami ang singkit sa Pilipinas kung sinakop tayo ng mga Intsik. Tsaka baka mas maraming makikitang OA sa beach kasi darami na magdadala ng payong - marami kasi intsik takot sa araw at ayaw nilang umitim. Full body suit na rin ang magiging normal na kasuotan.
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kung chinese, malamang hindi ka de leon, de leung ka master! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
kung japanese, malamang de reung ka master! ;D ;D ;D ;D
kung amerikano, malamang of lion ka master! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Multiple citizenship emperor Dodie!!!!