Post by: ricky on Feb 20, 2012 at 09:31 PM
http://iglesianicristo.net/#1
I'm inviting all of you guys to join us on this holy endeavor.
What: Iglesia Ni Cristo - Pamamahayag ng mga salita ng Diyos
Where: Quirino Grandstand (Luneta park)
When: Febuary 28, 2012
Time: 5pm (assembly time as early as 3pm)
Hope you guys can be with us on this very special event. If you need any assistance or have any questions pls feel free to ask me.
Traffic advisory: if you have no plans of attending the said event please pardon the traffic it will surely create, best is to veer away from the area from 12noon to 9pm on that date.Thank you very much
Post by: devlin_waugh on Feb 20, 2012 at 09:37 PM
Post by: ricky on Feb 21, 2012 at 09:36 AM
Post by: RU9 on Feb 21, 2012 at 10:20 AM
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/149313/palace-keeping-eye-on-coming-iglesia-ni-cristo-rally
http://www.journal.com.ph/index.php/news/top-stories/24275-palace-belittles-inc-pro-corona-rally
Post by: ricky on Feb 21, 2012 at 12:47 PM
Post by: ricky on Feb 21, 2012 at 06:57 PM
Just need to quote this one. Mr.go masyado masakit yung mga adjectives na ginamit mo. Paki share naman why ganoon na Lang ang laki ng galit at ganon na Lang kaliit ang tingin mo sa Iglesia ni Cristo?
Ngayon ko Lang narinig na may modus operandi pala ang church namin. We'll be celebrating our 100yrs in existence and have built numerous churches around the world to praise God and sa tingin mo may modus pa rin kami?
ININGUNGUDNGOD IGNORANTENG MEMBERS? BALIKO na CROOKED pa na IPINAGLALABAN?
Dahil Lang Kay cuevas na nagkataong abogado na tumanggap ng kaso, lahat na kami ignorante, baliko at crooked na. Pati buong sambahan namin idinamay mo na? At para bastusin mo name ni Christ and replace it with manalo, para saan yon? KUNG SAKALI MANG MAY MGA MEMBERS ANG INC NA NALIGAW NG LANDAS,IM SURE NAPAKALIIT PA DIN NG RATIO NITO COMPARED TO OTHER GROUPS,KAYA SANA WAG MO LAHATIN.
Ok pa sana Kung tinawag mo kami mga pulubi, mahihirap, pangit, makaluma at masunurin, kasi totoo Ito. Most of us members are not rich, I think majority of us comes from the low income bracket. Yet with our strong faith and cooperation with our church leaders we continue to praise and serve our Lord the best way we can by spreading the word of God and by building as many churches as we can to honor God. Pero para Lang bastusin mo ako sa post/thread ko sana nag isip ka muna.
And besides I'm just inviting you guys to attend, which is my obligation to my faith. Hindi ho ako masamang Tao, maloko at sinungaling. Dahil sa pag iimbita ko sa inyo ay nadamay pa tuloy yung buong church namin sa panlalait nyo :(
Kung anoman ginawa sa inyo ng sinumang members para magalit ka sa Amin ng ganito, ako na ho humihingi ng dispensa para sa kanila.
Post by: indie boi on Feb 21, 2012 at 07:16 PM
To Alice Go, for the love of god, please rein in your opinions. At least be a little circumspect and sensitive. I don't think you'd like it if someone maligns your church, whatever the hell it is. All of your posts are soooo angry. I don't think I've ever read any post of yours that's 100 percent positive.
And could someone please clarify this to me -- is Alice Go a male or a female? From what I remember there were two accounts that were used by two people -- one for the sister (who I assume is Alice Go) and another one by the brother (I can't remember the handle for this -- hindi naman siguro Rolito Go). Then just a couple of years back, it's just the Alice Go account that's been active but I understand the brother also uses the same account.
Mr./Ms. Alice Go, please PM me to clarify your status.
Post by: ricky on Feb 21, 2012 at 07:39 PM
Post by: indie boi on Feb 21, 2012 at 08:18 PM
Kailan kaya matututo ang mga tao to respect how other people choose to worship God?
Post by: kidlat08 on Feb 21, 2012 at 08:38 PM
Nakakahiya din for the forum to let posts like that remain "live" on the site.
Kailan kaya matututo ang mga tao to respect how other people choose to worship God?
Thank you sir for deleting the post of Ms. Go, although i havent read it. Salamat na rin po sa pag respeto sa aming pananampalataya. I am also a member of INC.
Post by: ricky on Feb 21, 2012 at 08:41 PM
Nakakahiya din for the forum to let posts like that remain "live" on the site.:)
Kailan kaya matututo ang mga tao to respect how other people choose to worship God?
Post by: ricky on Feb 22, 2012 at 08:38 AM
Post by: ALICE GO on Feb 22, 2012 at 12:04 PM
Kung di kayo nakaranas na ma-oppress, mawalan ng hanapbuhay, ma-harass ang livelihood, maperwisyo, mapagbantaan ng ganitong mga tao in office, who ride on the coattails of the vaunted INK block-voting mystique -- then you wouldn't have dumped my posts so promptly, marking it as hate-speech vitrioles from a sourpuss. Pero pahingi ng paumanhin muli Kagawad, I always maintained that PDVD ought to transcend from its tech-talk beginnings. Someone here posts that his church is having a big gathering, by anouncing that he has also opened the door for various, freewheeling, even contrarian, reactions and responses to come in. Di ba niya nabatid yun?
Post by: indie boi on Feb 22, 2012 at 12:23 PM
In fact, if you want, you can start a thread about your views of the INC. As long as you word your post carefully - like what you just did -- I'll let it stay.
Post by: ricky on Feb 22, 2012 at 05:20 PM
PASENCIA na Kagawad, I'm just trying my bit to push my views toward the INK. It may be very vehement and tinged with bitterness pero di naman ito mapapasubalian eh. The historical Christ flatly stated that his kingdom is not of this world. When he said that, the Roman governor has no criminal cause to indict him because that explicitly says he has no struggle nor fight with the Jewish state or the colonial Roman tyrants in place. But here is a church who claims to be headed by Christ but too politically active, even LOUD on its political partisan schemes. When the Iglesia supports a mayor in a town for instance, it will not distinguished if the mayor in question is a scoundrel, plunderer, murderer, or worst - as long as that person asks for the Iglesia's political support, even pays a pilgrimage-like visit to Diliman Central. The sad result for the country impacting its towns, cities and provinces is that a place is governed by a mayor or a governor that gets elected because he gains the electoral vote of a block who is not allowed to think independently. If the political leader in question wrought so much misery, stealing and even murder on his town, the INK who voted and vouched for him should also share the moral blame. But then sinong sasaway sa INK when they decided on a political character? Would they declare that they were mistaken in supporting such wicked people, after three or six or nine years? Wala kang maririnig sa kanila, what they care about foremostly is that when election comes, even a candidate with the most questionable credentials, is free to solicit their "support."
Kung di kayo nakaranas na ma-oppress, mawalan ng hanapbuhay, ma-harass ang livelihood, maperwisyo, mapagbantaan ng ganitong mga tao in office, who ride on the coattails of the vaunted INK block-voting mystique -- then you wouldn't have dumped my posts so promptly, marking it as hate-speech vitrioles from a sourpuss. Pero pahingi ng paumanhin muli Kagawad, I always maintained that PDVD ought to transcend from its tech-talk beginnings. Someone here posts that his church is having a big gathering, by anouncing that he has also opened the door for various, freewheeling, even contrarian, reactions and responses to come in. Di ba niya nabatid yun?
You are one impossible person ??? Look at your post.
You are saying that your attacks is a result of our unity and practice of BLOCK voting during elections.
Are we the only reason why crooks win in elections?
Is it still the fault of our church that such crooks get elected?
Is it still our fault if ever these politicians fail to deliver their promises during the campaign?
We are just a minority in this country and most of the ones our leader choose to vote are the incumbent or let's say under the administration party.
Is it our doing that most government officials acts like criminals?
Unfair naman siguro na dahil sa unity, cooperation, respect and our faith will be the reason for you to blame what is happening to our country to us.
Isang malokong member, lahat maloko na? Ganoon ba yon?
Isang maling decision na walang makakapagsabi na mangyayari, kami pa din ba ang Mali?
Also if you want to malign us, you can do it sa ibang thread, like sa religion thread.
I did not post this invite to solicit attacks from a person such as you. Sana wag ka mag hanap ng gulo.although I'm waiting since alam ko Mahilig ka mag-hamon ng away :(
"Someone here posts that his church is having a big gathering, by anouncing that he has also opened the door for various, freewheeling, even contrarian, reactions and responses to come in. Di ba niya nabatid yun?"-Honestly I was not expecting such negativity, I was ready for comments regarding the traffic mess it would create. But not reactions that will blame us for what ever mess our country is into right now. Pero ganoon pa man, I am still inviting every one if you have time to please come and join us on said occasion. ;)
Now I'm sure mr.go your next post would be something like Kung pikon, guilty or maramdamin ako eh wag ako sumali sa mga forums ::)
Post by: barrister on Feb 22, 2012 at 05:32 PM
Also if you want to malign us, you can do it sa ibang thread, like sa religion thread.
Tama nga naman. Nag-iimbita lang sa pamamahayag, e binanatan na nang binanatan ... :(
Sir ricky, do you have estimates about the number of expected attendees?
Post by: jerix on Feb 22, 2012 at 05:38 PM
Post by: Quitacet on Feb 22, 2012 at 05:49 PM
Now our "Religion Thread" in the site is a very informative thread without bashing any specific belief.
And when you mix religion with politics, it becomes more complex.
After all, one might ask: "Ano ba ang religion ng mga scoundrel, murderer, plunderer, etc. na mga politiko na yan? at Hindi ba sila naturuan ng tamang asal ng kanilang relihiyon?"
When that happens, lalong awayan at gulo na yan.
okay back to topic...
ricky, malululan ba ang tao sa Luneta? sa INC pa lang mapupuno na yan. :D
Post by: frootloops on Feb 22, 2012 at 07:14 PM
Hindi magandang may nasasagasaan ka, next time baka ikaw naman ang masagasaan...ayaw natin mangyari yun.
Post by: ATJr. on Feb 22, 2012 at 07:19 PM
Post by: Onkyo606 on Feb 22, 2012 at 07:35 PM
Nakakahiya din for the forum to let posts like that remain "live" on the site.
Kailan kaya matututo ang mga tao to respect how other people choose to worship God?
sir indie pwede din bang dun sa ibang thread eh masabihan yung mga tao not to refer to religiuos belief or group na kinapapalooban or whatever you may call it, dun sa impechment thread, may nag refere pa na INC member na SI anthony taberna kaya pala bias ito, it does connote something negative about the INC. I am not from the INC and have a different faith and belief but I believe in respecting the faith chosen by people, referring to this faith and correlating it to negative issues is not fair at all i think.
Post by: ricky on Feb 22, 2012 at 08:46 PM
Tama nga naman. Nag-iimbita lang sa pamamahayag, e binanatan na nang binanatan ... :(
Sir ricky, do you have estimates about the number of expected attendees?
Hi bro, estimate should be in the 20-40 thousand attendees, which is almost just right for the venue's 60t capacity. But we are hoping it would be more than expected sana since all of us believe that this is part of our obligation. Thank you bro for the understanding.
Post by: ricky on Feb 22, 2012 at 08:53 PM
Get it on Ricky!!! I have so many INK friends and they are all nice. I feel comfortable being with them they are very disciplined. ;)
Thank you bro jerix, yes INC members are well disciplined ESP when we are attending church Service :)
Post by: ricky on Feb 22, 2012 at 09:02 PM
It's very sensitive when religion is discussed on the basis of "specific affiliations."
Now our "Religion Thread" in the site is a very informative thread without bashing any specific belief.
And when you mix religion with politics, it becomes more complex.
After all, one might ask: "Ano ba ang religion ng mga scoundrel, murderer, plunderer, etc. na mga politiko na yan? at Hindi ba sila naturuan ng tamang asal ng kanilang relihiyon?"
When that happens, lalong awayan at gulo na yan.
okay back to topic...
ricky, malululan ba ang tao sa Luneta? sa INC pa lang mapupuno na yan. :D
You are right bro, minority Lang kami kaya siguro Kung may ma-news na member na nasangkot sa Hindi maganda ay sensationalized na agad and worse eh damay na lahat. Siguro kasi bihirang bihira talaga ang may gagawa ng malaking kasalanan sa Amin na ikasisira ng church. And incase na merong lumabag, church mismo ang nagtitiwalag agad.
A good example is what happened to Dir. Gatdula of the NBI, unbelievable talaga. Alam nyang almost all members are proud of him kaya I'm sure he will not tarnish his name. Llamas din naman yung totoo in the end.
We are hoping to bro na madami mag attend and madami ma-invite. :)
Post by: ricky on Feb 22, 2012 at 09:04 PM
Respeto lang sa kapwa myembro kung hindi mo marespeto yung INC.
Hindi magandang may nasasagasaan ka, next time baka ikaw naman ang masagasaan...ayaw natin mangyari yun.
Thanks froots, iba kasi yung dating ng post. Mapanira and all speculative :D
Post by: ricky on Feb 22, 2012 at 09:06 PM
ricky, congrats on your centennial, you seem to be a nice person......
Thank you sir Tony for the centennial greeting, and thank you very much if you think I'm a nice person ;D
Post by: ricky on Feb 22, 2012 at 09:16 PM
sir indie pwede din bang dun sa ibang thread eh masabihan yung mga tao not to refer to religiuos belief or group na kinapapalooban or whatever you may call it, dun sa impechment thread, may nag refere pa na INC member na SI anthony taberna kaya pala bias ito, it does connote something negative about the INC. I am not from the INC and have a different faith and belief but I believe in respecting the faith chosen by people, referring to this faith and correlating it to negative issues is not fair at all i think.
Hi bro tirso, thank you also. Honestly kailan ko Lang nalaman na kapatid pala si Anthony taberna :-[ pag nanonood or nakikinig sa news ay wala naman Syang sinasabi na Iglesia sya ;) also sa church services or church gatherings ay Hindi din naman nababanggit or napag-uusapan Kung sino ang mga Sikat na members. Kung baga nalalaman na Lang naming mga regular members pag nakita na namin sa pagsamba or Kung magkakakwentuhan na Lang yung mga magkakaibigan talaga. Hindi naman kasi part ng worship Kung pag uusapan pa yung mga celebrity members ;)
Post by: indie boi on Feb 23, 2012 at 08:47 AM
sir indie pwede din bang dun sa ibang thread eh masabihan yung mga tao not to refer to religiuos belief or group na kinapapalooban or whatever you may call it, dun sa impechment thread, may nag refere pa na INC member na SI anthony taberna kaya pala bias ito, it does connote something negative about the INC. I am not from the INC and have a different faith and belief but I believe in respecting the faith chosen by people, referring to this faith and correlating it to negative issues is not fair at all i think.
I'm monitoring the thread bro Onkyo. Thanks for pointing it out. :)
Honestly, mahirap magmoderate nitong Big Talk. If I allow freewheeling discussions at some point someone will say the moderator is not doing his job. But if I step in and perform my function, others will say I'm meddling and siding with one camp.
I can't even post my personal opinions without someone complaining that I'm being "biased" and that I should be "impartial".
Anyway, pardon the off topic post.
To go back to the topic. I have a number of INC friends. I admire their discipline and dedication to their church. Ibang klase din yung gagawa ng time to worship despite the demands of work and family. It's the same quality that I admire about my Islamic friends. We could all learn a thing or two from these two religious groups.
Post by: ricky on Feb 23, 2012 at 09:46 AM
5days to go :D lahat ng members excited dito esp my kids :)
Post by: saintburaki on Feb 23, 2012 at 09:57 AM
and also to everyone.
INC din po ako.
lahat po invited.
kahit sino ka man, o ano man relihiyon mo...
iniimbitahan ka namin.
paminsan-minsan lang naman po ito.
Post by: ricky on Feb 23, 2012 at 12:30 PM
More power to INCs!!!!
and also to everyone.
INC din po ako.
lahat po invited.
kahit sino ka man, o ano man relihiyon mo...
iniimbitahan ka namin.
paminsan-minsan lang naman po ito.
Welcome aboard kapatid. 4 na tayo dito kasama si ndy :)
Post by: leftover on Feb 23, 2012 at 12:57 PM
Post by: ndy on Feb 23, 2012 at 07:23 PM
Welcome aboard kapatid. 4 na tayo dito kasama si ndy :)
hello po! yes po proud member po ng INC here ;)
kita kits po sa 28 :)
Post by: pepe on Feb 23, 2012 at 08:34 PM
What: IGLESIA NI CRISTO - GRAND EVANGELICAL MISSION
Where: PAGLAUM STADIUM - BACOLOD CITY
When: February 28, 2012
Time: 4 pm (assembly time as early as 1 pm - due to the monstrous traffic it will cause)
FYI - This is a simultaneous national GRAND EVANGELICAL MISSION event to be held in different major cities (Iloilo, Cebu, Davao, etc.) all over the Philippines in preparation for our Centennial in 2014 to be held at the Philippine Arena - CIUDAD DE VICTORIA (the biggest dome upon completion - now being constructed)
Post by: ricky on Feb 24, 2012 at 10:17 AM
4 days to go na Lang. ;)
Also aside from this big event, each locale will be holding regular Pamamahayags on their respective location, so if any of you is interested to attend and listen pls do so. No obligations whatsoever, basta makinig ka Lang with an open mind is more than enough for us. You can also have a question and answer session with our designated minister :) btw you can just visit any of our churches and ask for the schedule :)
Post by: ricky on Feb 25, 2012 at 08:36 AM
Post by: ricky on Feb 27, 2012 at 09:13 PM
Sorry for the traffic mess it would surely create though
Post by: jerix on Feb 28, 2012 at 06:27 AM
Walang masakyan na bus, super siksikan sa mga natirang bumiyahe. As of 7:am sa Commonwealth napakadaming nag-aabang na commuters. Jayross and Kellen bus plying the commonwealth ni-rent daw ng mga aattend mamaya. Laloa na sigurong walang masakyan mamayang hapon. Parang animo'y may transport strike sa Commonwealth. :-\
Post by: bumblebee on Feb 28, 2012 at 07:42 AM
Post by: indie boi on Feb 28, 2012 at 08:21 AM
I remember the huge event that happened twenty years ago - I think it was the INC's 75th anniversary. I was on my way to school and didn't know about this event. All the jeeps would only bring passengers to the corner of EDSA and Quezon Avenue. I had to walk from EDSA to UP. That was quite an experience. :)
Post by: ricky on Feb 28, 2012 at 09:00 AM
Post by: ninjababez® on Feb 28, 2012 at 09:02 AM
Getting ready to go there now, dami na daw Tao. Thank you God for a promising turn out.Hope you guys have a good time. :)
Post by: leomarley on Feb 28, 2012 at 01:25 PM
Post by: Quitacet on Feb 28, 2012 at 03:20 PM
Trapik pero maayos ang parada, in fairness.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/358cl0y.jpg)
INC daw pala si Denver Cuello (Pinoy boxer)
Pics from: http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?t=557622&page=28
madaming iinit ang ulo mamayang uwian
pag nagrally pala ang INC against Noynoy, madami ang magwawala dito lol
Post by: ricky on Feb 28, 2012 at 10:40 PM
Hope you guys have a good time. :)
Thank you bro, it was so hot earlier and so crowded, but we're happy that it was a success :D
Post by: ricky on Feb 28, 2012 at 11:06 PM
congratulations on your centennial year! dami rin akong kamag-anak na INC. :D
Thank you bro, pero sa 2014 pa kami turning 100yrs old. ;) bakit ikaw Hindi pa umanib :)
Post by: ricky on Feb 28, 2012 at 11:14 PM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2zi8r5l.jpg)
Trapik pero maayos ang parada, in fairness.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/358cl0y.jpg)
INC daw pala si Denver Cuello (Pinoy boxer)
Pics from: http://www.pinoyexchange.com/forums/showthread.php?t=557622&page=28
madaming iinit ang ulo mamayang uwian
pag nagrally pala ang INC against Noynoy, madami ang magwawala dito lol
Thank you for the photos bro ;)
Hindi naman kami Mahilig mag rally kaya Hindi kami ang problema :D
Yeah grabe yung traffic. EWAN ko ba, papunta sa site at pauwi wala man Lang akong nakitang traffic police or MMDA enforcers ??? ??? ??? Alam naman na madaming Tao pero bakit ngayon pa walang nag assist sa kalye. Ang nagmalasakit na Lang eh yung mga kanto boys at SCAN members. Mahirap isipin sinadya para marami maperwisyo at magalit :( buti na Lang medyo disiplinado kami, walang nagging kalat sa kalye at walang naging barumbado ;D thank you and at the same time pasensya na sa traffic.
Post by: toys4geeks on Feb 29, 2012 at 12:28 AM
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2zi8r5l.jpg)
Trapik pero maayos ang parada, in fairness.
Nice picture!
ah walang pulis, kaya naman pala maayos yung parada ng mga bus. kung sino man nagorganize at nagisip ng kaayusan sa parada, eh ang galing.
Post by: frootloops on Feb 29, 2012 at 12:32 AM
Post by: ricky on Feb 29, 2012 at 10:03 AM
Nice picture!
ah walang pulis, kaya naman pala maayos yung parada ng mga bus. kung sino man nagorganize at nagisip ng kaayusan sa parada, eh ang galing.
INC's SCAN members ang in charge dyan pare using two way radios and motorcycles nila ;)
Post by: ricky on Feb 29, 2012 at 10:04 AM
Congrats pre at sa lahat ng INC!
Thank you pare, sayang wala ka at nagbabakasyon sa japan :D
Post by: barrister on Feb 29, 2012 at 01:13 PM
Post by: ricky on Feb 29, 2012 at 01:36 PM
Congrats sa INC members. Kitang-kita ang disiplina ng kapatiran.
Thank you bro. Yeah I was surprised Of how orderly it was without anyone guiding us at the venue ;) kanya kanya kami pero maayos pa din :) sa dami ng dumadating sa venue, habang pumapasok sila papalabas naman yung iba, parang naging palitan Lang ng Tao, everyone had the chance to be inside the venue kahit sandali lang and pag labas along roxas blvd na Lang nag stay and listened sa radio broadcast. :D I am proud how it turned out ;) as for the traffic after, ok na sana Kung may support from the government man Lang. Btw ZERO CRIME yesterday :o
Post by: Quitacet on Feb 29, 2012 at 01:53 PM
Thank you bro. Yeah I was surprised Of how orderly it was without anyone guiding us at the venue ;) kanya kanya kami pero maayos pa din :) sa dami ng dumadating sa venue, habang pumapasok sila papalabas naman yung iba, parang naging palitan Lang ng Tao, everyone had the chance to be inside the venue kahit sandali lang and pag labas along roxas blvd na Lang nag stay and listened sa radio broadcast. :D I am proud how it turned out ;) as for the traffic after, ok na sana Kung may support from the government man Lang. Btw ZERO CRIME yesterday :o
Nasa session yata kasi yung mga magnanakaw e. lol
Post by: darth mond on Feb 29, 2012 at 09:30 PM
Post by: devlin_waugh on Feb 29, 2012 at 09:32 PM
Post by: ricky on Mar 02, 2012 at 01:37 PM
Nasa session yata kasi yung mga magnanakaw e. lol
Hindi na magnanakaw tawag sa mga yon ;)
Post by: ricky on Mar 02, 2012 at 01:41 PM
Congratulations, sana next year holiday ang anniversary ng INC since everyone in the office got home really late last night because of the traffic.
Thank you bro, sorry for the traffic mess. Sana nga kahit sa Manila man Lang ginawang holiday that day and sana din nag lagay ng madaming traffic police to direct the traffic. Good thing that majority of us decided to just hire a bus, imagine Kung bawat family kanya kanya ng dala ng kotse :o
Post by: ricky on Mar 02, 2012 at 01:55 PM
^there's a pending bill in Congress which proposes to do just that
Sana naman maapruban, not for anything else pero just to be fair :) para kasing every year we need to ask for it. Pero Hindi na din siguro namin aasahan mangyari, kaya in preparation for our centennial celebration nagpagawa na Lang ang taga pamahala ng Philippine Arena ;) para din makaiwas na makaabala sa iba.
Hirap din minsan situation namin, based from my observation Lang pag yung church namin situated sa main road at natapos na ang pagsamba, pag labasan na dami bumubusina sa labas kasi naaabala yata sila sa pag labas ng mga kotse at Tao. But if pag sa ibang religion kahit yung kalye gawing parking lot ng church goers at isara yung mismong kalye eh ok lang :( that's double standard . Very seldom kayo makakakita ng mga nagtitinda din outside our church na parang tiangge para din Hindi kami makaperwisyo sa mga dadaan.
Anyways sana maintindihan na din ng iba Ito. Almost all of our churches have parking inside at Kung sakaling kapusin man may mga naka duty din na mga kapatid to make it orderly :)
Post by: ninjababez® on Mar 02, 2012 at 02:10 PM
Sana naman maapruban, not for anything else pero just to be fair :) para kasing every year we need to ask for it. Pero Hindi na din siguro namin aasahan mangyari, kaya in preparation for our centennial celebration nagpagawa na Lang ang taga pamahala ng Philippine Arena ;) para din makaiwas na makaabala sa iba.bro ricky ako lahat inaaway ko pag trapik, madalas jeepney drivers, walang double standard sakin ;D
Hirap din minsan situation namin, based from my observation Lang pag yung church namin situated sa main road at natapos na ang pagsamba, pag labasan na dami bumubusina sa labas kasi naaabala yata sila sa pag labas ng mga kotse at Tao. But if pag sa ibang religion kahit yung kalye gawing parking lot ng church goers at isara yung mismong kalye eh ok lang :( that's double standard . Very seldom kayo makakakita ng mga nagtitinda din outside our church na parang tiangge para din Hindi kami makaperwisyo sa mga dadaan.
Anyways sana maintindihan na din ng iba Ito. Almost all of our churches have parking inside at Kung sakaling kapusin man may mga naka duty din na mga kapatid to make it orderly :)
btw enjoy "banal na hapunan" event this march :D
Post by: toys4geeks on Mar 02, 2012 at 03:11 PM
In our area, expected and volume ng traffic on thursday, wala naman busina kahit traffic, kasi church zone.
Post by: ricky on Mar 02, 2012 at 07:54 PM
bro ricky ako lahat inaaway ko pag trapik, madalas jeepney drivers, walang double standard sakin ;D
btw enjoy "banal na hapunan" event this march :D
Hahaha pasaway ka pala. Yup this month na kaya need to be extra good ;)
Post by: ricky on Mar 02, 2012 at 07:55 PM
+1 dapat national holiday yan.
In our area, expected and volume ng traffic on thursday, wala naman busina kahit traffic, kasi church zone.
Nice area , may disiplina ang Tao. :D
Post by: ninjababez® on Mar 03, 2012 at 09:28 AM
Hahaha pasaway ka pala.
di naman bro, araw araw nalang kasi yung mga jeep sa eastwood/libis area, parang terminal na nila.
Yup this month na kaya need to be extra good ;)
yung invite ng gf ko for tomorrow naman.
Post by: ricky on Mar 03, 2012 at 02:53 PM
Yup actually some locales started today,kami sa 24th pa. Sama ka din bro ;)
Post by: Quitacet on Jul 21, 2014 at 09:26 AM
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payo ko sa mga babyahe ng North at dadaan ng NLEX ipagpaliban nyo muna, tiyak mas maraming tao.
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Post by: Quitacet on Jul 21, 2014 at 01:36 PM
Wala naman celebration dito sa Commonwealth avenue, Central sa linggo? Planning my trip this Sunday baka kase mag traffic din sa Commonwealth?
AFAIK, conecntrated sa Bocaue ang celebration activities.
Post by: ricky on Jul 21, 2014 at 03:45 PM
Wala naman celebration dito sa Commonwealth avenue, Central sa linggo? Planning my trip this Sunday baka kase mag traffic din sa Commonwealth?
Baka magkaroon din pero hindi naman siguro grabe kasi mostly papunta sa bocaue
Post by: SiCkBoY on Jul 23, 2014 at 06:47 PM
http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/iq/64045-catholic-church-iglesia-ni-cristo-differences?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=referral (http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/iq/64045-catholic-church-iglesia-ni-cristo-differences?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=referral)
Particularly on:
Path to salvation. The INC adheres to the exclusivist doctrine that outside of it, there is no salvation. “To be reconciled and to be saved, one must become a member. Unless he becomes a part of the Church of Christ or the Body of Christ, he is not embraced by the redemptive death of Christ.”
In comparison, the Catholic Church teaches that eternal salvation is also granted to “those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do His will as they know it, through the dictates of their conscience (from the encyclical Lumen Gentium).”
Post by: Quitacet on Jul 24, 2014 at 08:55 AM
There are so many articles now about INC. Here's an interesting one from Rappler:
http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/iq/64045-catholic-church-iglesia-ni-cristo-differences?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=referral (http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/iq/64045-catholic-church-iglesia-ni-cristo-differences?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=referral)
Particularly on:
Path to salvation. The INC adheres to the exclusivist doctrine that outside of it, there is no salvation. “To be reconciled and to be saved, one must become a member. Unless he becomes a part of the Church of Christ or the Body of Christ, he is not embraced by the redemptive death of Christ.”
In comparison, the Catholic Church teaches that eternal salvation is also granted to “those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do His will as they know it, through the dictates of their conscience (from the encyclical Lumen Gentium).”
I commented on that in Rappler. It's inaccurate. I love Rappler but when it comes to INC its bias clearly show.
The INC believes in the conscience of man. A person not reached by the gospel (he lived in a time and place where it's not available) will be judged by God according to his conscience. After all God can't judge him on any other basis like his belief in Christ, following the ten commandments, etc.
There are many perceptions and beliefs about the INC that are misunderstanding of its stance in certain doctrinal issues. Many still believe the INC follows tithing (ikapu), Sinisingil pag absent sa pagsamba, etc.
in reality, ikapu is not followed. in fact they believe ikapu is unbiblical (new testament-wise) because Christ advocated "voluntary" giving. Tithing is deemed involuntary as there is a fixed amount, and if your heart just wants to give 2% of your earning, tithing will make you a giver with a heavy heart.
When a member was absent in services, church officers visit the member not to collect the abuloy but to determine the cause of the absence. The member is prayed over, given advice, and most of the times, if the reason is poverty, the church workers even give some financial assistance to the member or a job recommendation. Minsan nagagastusan pa ang dumalaw at hindi kinokolektahan ng abuloy.
Post by: SiCkBoY on Jul 24, 2014 at 08:50 PM
Tithing is deemed involuntary as there is a fixed amount, and if your heart just wants to give 2% of your earning, tithing will make you a giver with a heavy heart.
I don't understand, bro. Can you give example situations?
Post by: Quitacet on Jul 26, 2014 at 06:17 AM
I guess one reason why there are manymisconceptions about the INC's collections is the result of them: malalaking kapilya, relief efforts, pabahay, etc. The truth is (kahit na napakaraming pagpintas) mahusay ang administrasyon sa pagsisinop ng mga koleksyon. If you go to any construction site ng INC, kahit isang pako wala kang mapupulot na laglag. Pag meron sasabihin ng foreman, pulutin yan at galing yan sa abuloy ng mga kapatid na di dapat masayang.
The ciudad de victoria's funds were planned as early as the 1980s i was told.
Post by: leomarley on Jul 26, 2014 at 08:41 AM
When a member was absent in services, church officers visit the member not to collect the abuloy but to determine the cause of the absence. The member is prayed over, given advice, and most of the times, if the reason is poverty, the church workers even give some financial assistance to the member or a job recommendation. Minsan nagagastusan pa ang dumalaw at hindi kinokolektahan ng abuloy.
just a question. what happens if a member does not attend the services and the church tries to visit but the member won't let them in or accept the visit?
Post by: kidlat08 on Jul 26, 2014 at 08:55 AM
Post by: SiCkBoY on Jul 26, 2014 at 09:20 AM
Ang abuloy sa INC ay dapat kusang loob o pasya ng puso. Nothing wrong in giving 10% or even 90% if thta is how much you want to give. But the INC believes that by requiring tithing or 10% or ikapu then this doctrine of giving with a happy heart is violated. If you only want to give say 1% then that's it. let your conscience dictate it.
I guess one reason why there are manymisconceptions about the INC's collections is the result of them: malalaking kapilya, relief efforts, pabahay, etc. The truth is (kahit na napakaraming pagpintas) mahusay ang administrasyon sa pagsisinop ng mga koleksyon. If you go to any construction site ng INC, kahit isang pako wala kang mapupulot na laglag. Pag meron sasabihin ng foreman, pulutin yan at galing yan sa abuloy ng mga kapatid na di dapat masayang.
What I don't understand is if tithing is voluntary, why do you always talk about percentages? Malaking pera agad yan, even if it's 1% only. And is it true that copies of ITRs are submitted?
Also, won't a member be ostracized kung maliit lang binibigay?
Post by: Quitacet on Jul 26, 2014 at 11:06 AM
Post by: Quitacet on Jul 26, 2014 at 11:08 AM
Post by: leomarley on Jul 26, 2014 at 12:13 PM
I have not heard of any co-members or stories from church officers, about members that refuse visits from church officers. Understandable 'to if we have members na house help lang, and their amos are non-INC. The officers then respect the situation and will suggest to set another place and time to meet. Ako, this is what i do at times since work eats most of my time. Minsan sa kapilya na lang kami nagkikita ng church officer, minsan sa malapit na Jollibee. :) Flexible naman kami.Has there been any instance where a member decided to exclude himself/herself from the church and what's usually the reaction of their family?
Post by: Quitacet on Jul 26, 2014 at 12:48 PM
Post by: SiCkBoY on Jul 26, 2014 at 01:04 PM
Oh and about ITRs. Not true yan. Isang misconception yan. Ako nga walang nakakaalam na napromote na sa work. Let.s just say na i can earn 50k a month and drop 5 pesos as abuloy and no one will know about itTrue or False: The INC has never ever seen a copy of any of your ITRs.
Post by: thebat on Jul 26, 2014 at 01:09 PM
Post by: dench on Jul 26, 2014 at 01:50 PM
There are so many articles now about INC. Here's an interesting one from Rappler:
http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/iq/64045-catholic-church-iglesia-ni-cristo-differences?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=referral (http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/iq/64045-catholic-church-iglesia-ni-cristo-differences?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=referral)
Particularly on:
Path to salvation. The INC adheres to the exclusivist doctrine that outside of it, there is no salvation. “To be reconciled and to be saved, one must become a member. Unless he becomes a part of the Church of Christ or the Body of Christ, he is not embraced by the redemptive death of Christ.”
This is a core doctrine of the INC. In other words, the INC is convinced that its organization, founded in the Philippines by a Filipino in 1914, is the only way for all humanity to be saved from the penalty of sin (spiritual death).
Another core doctrine is Felix Manalo is "sugo sa huling araw". It reveres him as God's messenger that technically re-established the Christian church in the Philippines after the apostles have all died.
Where is the Lord Jesus Christ in these doctrines? It's quite ironic that INC label itself Church of Christ, yet Jesus is not at the centre of its faith. In fact, it consider the Lord as plain human being.
Reading John 14 and we see Jesus explaining to His disciples His Lordship. "“I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me".
In Philippians 2, Paul wrote: "5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
Obviously, there are other passages in Scripture that affirm Jesus is God. Yes, He became man and died for our sins for that is the only way mankind can be redeemed. However, He resurrected from the dead which proved He can conquer sin and death. And that is the hope of every true Christ believer and follower. That because of Jesus and through Jesus we can spend eternity with Him when we leave this world.
After Jesus ascended to heaven, how can mankind get a chance for redemption? In Romans 10:9-10, Paul wrote: "9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation."
The INC rejects salvation by grace because it propagates salvation by WORKS. Examples: you must join the INC, you need to believe Felix Manalo is the Last Messenger, you need to go to kapilya twice a week, you should not observe Christmas and Lenten season, you should not get into a relationship with a non-INC, you exercise your freedom of suffrage by voting as a bloc to the dictates of the INC headship, you don't eat dinuguan. And so many other DO THIS, DONT DO THAT. You need to earn your salvation.
Ephesians 2:9-10 says "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them."
Through the years and decades, long before 1914, there were individuals, both known and unknown by name, who believed and followed the Lord Jesus Christ and they were instrumental why we know the Christian faith to this day. History will prove they are people from different nations, different cultures and even from different religious affiliations. Christianity did not end when the apostles died.
If Christianity ended in those times, how could it have been possible for Felix Manalo to read a bible and go to a bible school?
Post by: dench on Jul 26, 2014 at 01:59 PM
Has there been any instance where a member decided to exclude himself/herself from the church and what's usually the reaction of their family?
The INC excommunicates members by announcing names of people during worship service who are longer obeying its regulations. Imagine the silent embarrassment it brings to that person's family or loved ones who remain in its fold. Where is the love?
Post by: dench on Jul 26, 2014 at 02:14 PM
Kunyari lang nag absent ako. Pwede ba ako tumagging magpadalaw sa bahay ko or kahit sa labas? Or pwede ba ako tumangging makipag usap or pagusapan bakit ako absent?
Pwede ka tumanggi. But soon it will notice if you have the same excuses. There is nothing wrong to visit someone. But the INC uses the weekly "committee" or "dalaw" to silently pressure the members to obey the "tagubilin" of "pamamahala". And it's interesting to note the group doesn't use this time to study the bible, have fellowship or talk about matters of faith and life. It's usually just to ask why is a member absent in church, promote participation in group activities, and closed in prayer.
Post by: Quitacet on Jul 26, 2014 at 02:57 PM
If one member continues to deny visit and advice. He or she will be asked if he/she wants to remain in the church or not. If he decides he is not happy anymore in the church, he will be asked to give a voluntary written statement of leaving the church. If he doesn.t want to do the written statement but is adamant in leaving, his ne will be dropped from the roster of members. Walang pilitan kung ayaw na.
Post by: Quitacet on Jul 26, 2014 at 03:02 PM
The INC excommunicates members by announcing names of people during worship service who are longer obeying its regulations. Imagine the silent embarrassment it brings to that person's family or loved ones who remain in its fold. Where is the love?
It is one way of excommunication especially if the reason is immorality (gambling, having kulasisi). Those whose faith left them are just dropped from the roster commonly called as "naalis sa talaan"
Post by: leomarley on Jul 26, 2014 at 03:09 PM
Post by: thebat on Jul 26, 2014 at 03:10 PM
Kunyari, i am still happy with INC, pero minsan di ako makapunta kse me gig ako etc, pero ayaw kong pakialaman ako or dalawin at tanungin ng officers, ok lang ba yun, pwede?
Post by: Quitacet on Jul 26, 2014 at 03:13 PM
The INC reveres Christ as the son of God and he has been given by God powers beyond what ordinary man has. We just dont accept that he is God or a 1/3 person of God as INC is monotheistic.
Although i respect dench.s post and his right to post, i sense a bit of anger in him towards the INC.
But still i just wish anyone who wants to know INC more will study it by attending bible lessons rather than mine or others' posts here.
Post by: SiCkBoY on Jul 26, 2014 at 03:20 PM
True or False: The INC has never ever seen a copy of any of your ITRs.Bro, ako True or False lang question ko :)
Post by: leomarley on Jul 26, 2014 at 03:21 PM
But still i just wish anyone who wants to know INC more will study it by attending bible lessons rather than mine or others' posts here.
no thanks sir. i'm just curious about why the INC choosing Erap as their president. i'm not really into organized religion as organizations, whether religious or not, tend to have ulterior motives.
Post by: Quitacet on Jul 26, 2014 at 03:22 PM
@leomarley, we were electing a politician not auditioning a member. If we will judge all candidates based on our docttrines then we will not vote at all as everyone has a different faith from us. The more intriguing question is why was Erap not excommunicated by his church when excommunication is biblical. Plus, erap.s shortcoming as a christian is his church.s business. It.s like this: if i have a fastfood store i don.t care if you have six wives i will hire you as long as you will be able to manage my store. I will terminate you also on the basis of your skills. If you are however joining my church you have to drop the last five wives before you can do so
Post by: Quitacet on Jul 26, 2014 at 03:26 PM
The day they ask for it will be the day i leave it.
Another truth. Sa yo ko unang nadinig/nalaman ang ITR issue relative to INC.
Post by: SiCkBoY on Jul 26, 2014 at 03:27 PM
@ Sickboy, True with God as my witness.Thank you bro. That settles that.
The day they ask for it will be the day i leave it.
Another truth. Sa yo ko unang nadinig/nalaman ang ITR issue relative to INC.
Post by: Quitacet on Jul 26, 2014 at 03:29 PM
no thanks sir. i'm just curious about why the INC choosing Erap as their president. i'm not really into organized religion as organizations, whether religious or not, tend to have ulterior motives.
I can understand where you are coming from. I respect it.
Post by: ricky on Jul 26, 2014 at 03:30 PM
Pwede ka tumanggi. But soon it will notice if you have the same excuses. There is nothing wrong to visit someone. But the INC uses the weekly "committee" or "dalaw" to silently pressure the members to obey the "tagubilin" of "pamamahala". And it's interesting to note the group doesn't use this time to study the bible, have fellowship or talk about matters of faith and life. It's usually just to ask why is a member absent in church, promote participation in group activities, and closed in prayer.
^Hindi po totoo yan sinasabi nyo. Lahat ng sinabi mo ewan ko kung saan
Mo nakuha.
Pag dadalaw is just plain pag dadalaw. It's done weekly para kamustahin mga members on how they are doing, at dito lang pumapasok yung alamin ang reason why hindi ka nakasamba or nakatupad sa mga gawain or activities.
Ngayon pag ang dahilan mo eh napakababaw, mas
Malamang na mapayuhan ka which ito naman eh paalala lang at kasma sa tungkulin nila na pangalagaan ka.
Each "dalaw" or "komiti" starts and ends with prayer. Pwede ka din mag tanong tungkol sa bible pero meron naman oras at panahon para doon . Its 5times a week na mag gawain or doktrina or bible study sa INC . Lately mas dumami pa ang oras at lugar kung saan pwede makinig sa doktrina. Yun yung nakikita nyo na "Malaking Pamamahayag ng Salita ng Diyos"
Sana po kung hindi din lang kayo sigurado sa sasabihin nyo pwede naman kayo magtanong at wag parang alam na alam nyo lahat ng nangyayari.
On a lighter note: each family has a "katiwala" na mangangalaga syo. Swerte mo pag mabait yung natoka syo at medyo sad naman kung mahigpit masyado hehe kasi sa totoo lang minsan nakakapanliit yung iba magsalita lalo na pag hindi ka nakasamba.
Also dito sa mga "dalaw" na ito pinaaabot mga tagubilin sa amin na hindi na binasa sa pagsamba(serkular)
Post by: SiCkBoY on Jul 26, 2014 at 03:34 PM
i'm not really into organized religion as organizations, whether religious or not, tend to have ulterior motives.
Ako nga bro, naghanap pa ako ng secular school for my daughter :)
Post by: ricky on Jul 26, 2014 at 03:36 PM
Bro, ako True or False lang question ko :)
Magulo yung tanong mo. Tinatanong mo ba kung nakikita ng INC administration mga itr ng members? Answer No , unless gusto mo ipakita for what ever reason na ikaw lang makakaalam.
True- they do not see our itr
False- they see our itr
Post by: Quitacet on Jul 26, 2014 at 03:40 PM
That is why i said TRUE. The church has never ever seen my ITR.
Tatlo lang nakakita ng itr namin mag asawa. Our employers, psbank dahil sa autoloan at kami mismong mag asawa
Post by: dench on Jul 26, 2014 at 03:42 PM
There is no teaching in INC that Jesus Christ is "plain human being"
The INC reveres Christ as the son of God and he has been given by God powers beyond what ordinary man has. We just dont accept that he is God or a 1/3 person of God as INC is monotheistic.
Although i respect dench.s post and his right to post, i sense a bit of anger in him towards the INC.
But still i just wish anyone who wants to know INC more will study it by attending bible lessons rather than mine or others' posts here.
I have no anger against the INC. Just raising some points for discussion.
INC labels Jesus Christ as "tao" di ba? Where in the bible can you find God merely giving powers to the human Jesus Christ?
In my case about Jesus's Deity and Lordship, I believe that Jesus Christ in the flesh was both God and man, was conceived by the Holy Spirit, and was born of a virgin. He lived a sinless life. He was crucified and died to pay the penalty for our sins. By His blood, the Lord Jesus Christ made a perfect sacrifice for sin once and for all time. He was raised from the dead on the third day. Later, He ascended to the Father’s right hand where He reigns as the Head of the Church and intercedes for believers. I believe He is coming again, bodily and visibly, to the earth to set up His Kingdom.
Read Phil 2:1-8; Matthew 1:22-23; Isaiah 9:6; John 1:1-5,14; Hebrews 4:14-15; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4; Romans 1:3-4; Acts 1:9-11; 1 Timothy 6:14-15; Titus 2:13; Ephesians 1:22; Hebrews 7:25.
INC bible studies focus on the two core doctrines I mentioned. And it also spends a lot of energy trying to debunk Roman Catholic beliefs.
Post by: SiCkBoY on Jul 26, 2014 at 03:43 PM
Magulo yung tanong mo. Tinatanong mo ba kung nakikita ng INC administration mga itr ng members? Answer No , unless gusto mo ipakita for what ever reason na ikaw lang makakaalam.Yep. Sinagot na ni Quitacet. Di ko na maalala kung sino nagsabi sakin nun eh.
True- they do not see our itr
False- they see our itr
True or False: The Philippine Arena is the mothership that will take all INC members to heaven.
I'm just kidding. But seriously, the arena is an engineering marvel. Congrats to the INC!
Can you imagine Ateneo vs. La Salle at the Philippine Arena? My goodness!
Post by: ricky on Jul 26, 2014 at 03:47 PM
Ang puti talaga kahit may maliit na tuldok mahahalata, pero yung madumi , hindi na pansin kahit gaano pa kadumi. All they do is pretend na hindi pa naman masyado madumi.
Post by: Quitacet on Jul 26, 2014 at 03:47 PM
I respect your beliefs man but don.t attribute to INC beliefs which we do not practice. I won.t engage you in biblical debate here. I would even declare panalo ka na if you want. Hirap kaya magtype sa cp keypad. I don.t need to refute you because i know our doctrines and we understand them. Proving you weong won't make a difference to me
Post by: ricky on Jul 26, 2014 at 03:53 PM
Post by: dench on Jul 26, 2014 at 03:55 PM
It is one way of excommunication especially if the reason is immorality (gambling, having kulasisi). Those whose faith left them are just dropped from the roster commonly called as "naalis sa talaan"
So when someone commits immorality or big sins as you seem to refer to, it is okay to announce them for other people to know?
Post by: Quitacet on Jul 26, 2014 at 04:01 PM
Ipinagbibigay alam na si kapatid na juan dela cruz ay itinitiwalag sa Iglesia sa pamumuhay ng labag sa pagkaKristyano...
That is part of the process. Anyone not in favor of it is free to reject membership. Di kami namimilit. Ang hirap sa ibaaanib tapos gusto nya ang masunod yung paniniwala nya. Kahit sa paaralan pag ayaw mo saacdemic policy wag ka mag enrol. Once enrolled you have to follow otherwise pwede ka magdrop or magtransfer
Post by: ricky on Jul 26, 2014 at 04:02 PM
Yep. Sinagot na ni Quitacet. Di ko na maalala kung sino nagsabi sakin nun eh.
True or False: The Philippine Arena is the mothership that will take all INC members to heaven.
I'm just kidding. But seriously, the arena is an engineering marvel. Congrats to the INC!
Can you imagine Ateneo vs. La Salle at the Philippine Arena? My goodness!
Marami talagang haka haka pag dating sa INC. Kaya kami nagpapasalamat na lang sa Ama sa lahat ng biyaya na natatamo namin. Nag hihirap ang buong mundo pero eto at sige ang patayo namin ng mga bahay samabahan para sa kapurihan ng Ama. Samantalang minority kami at majority ng members ay mahihirap lang. Pero dahil sa tiwala namin sa kakayanan ng Ama sige kaming nag tutulong tulong para makapag patuloy na mag lingkod sa Diyos.
Ayaw namin mamalimos para lang makapag patayo ng kapilya or kahit mapaayos ito. Masaya kami na nakikitang ang mga Handog namin ay sa mabuting bagay napupunta.
Yes Philippine arena rocks! Kung sana pacquiao -maywhether or not dito gawain hehe
Post by: dench on Jul 26, 2014 at 04:04 PM
^Hindi po totoo yan sinasabi nyo. Lahat ng sinabi mo ewan ko kung saan
Mo nakuha.
Pag dadalaw is just plain pag dadalaw. It's done weekly para kamustahin mga members on how they are doing, at dito lang pumapasok yung alamin ang reason why hindi ka nakasamba or nakatupad sa mga gawain or activities.
Ngayon pag ang dahilan mo eh napakababaw, mas
Malamang na mapayuhan ka which ito naman eh paalala lang at kasma sa tungkulin nila na pangalagaan ka.
Each "dalaw" or "komiti" starts and ends with prayer. Pwede ka din mag tanong tungkol sa bible pero meron naman oras at panahon para doon . Its 5times a week na mag gawain or doktrina or bible study sa INC . Lately mas dumami pa ang oras at lugar kung saan pwede makinig sa doktrina. Yun yung nakikita nyo na "Malaking Pamamahayag ng Salita ng Diyos"
Sana po kung hindi din lang kayo sigurado sa sasabihin nyo pwede naman kayo magtanong at wag parang alam na alam nyo lahat ng nangyayari.
On a lighter note: each family has a "katiwala" na mangangalaga syo. Swerte mo pag mabait yung natoka syo at medyo sad naman kung mahigpit masyado hehe kasi sa totoo lang minsan nakakapanliit yung iba magsalita lalo na pag hindi ka nakasamba.
Also dito sa mga "dalaw" na ito pinaaabot mga tagubilin sa amin na hindi na binasa sa pagsamba(serkular)
I raised points about INC's exclusivist view on salvation and high reverence to Felix Manalo, pero dito ka lang nag react. Do you read your bible?
Post by: leomarley on Jul 26, 2014 at 04:12 PM
Post by: dench on Jul 26, 2014 at 04:17 PM
@dench,
I respect your beliefs man but don.t attribute to INC beliefs which we do not practice. I won.t engage you in biblical debate here. I would even declare panalo ka na if you want. Hirap kaya magtype sa cp keypad. I don.t need to refute you because i know our doctrines and we understand them. Proving you weong won't make a difference to me
It's cool brod. You believe what you believe. In fact, I'll be very happy to see you in heaven one day kahit na INC ka. That's my hope for all people because the suffering and horrors of spiritual death are beyond imagination. I believe God is love. He is gracious, but He is also just and righteous. He abhors sin.
Do you think a Christ follower has any chance to spend eternity with the Lord, if one is not inside INC's fold?
Post by: dench on Jul 26, 2014 at 04:22 PM
another question and probably my last. what are the consequence if you do not follow the church's choice of politician? how do they know that you really voted for the person they chose?
Wala naman penalty. It's a matter of conscience and INC would cite God's blessings might not be upon you kasi hindi ka nakipagkaisa.
Post by: dench on Jul 26, 2014 at 04:25 PM
The announcement dows not contain the act. Ganito verbatimly:
Ipinagbibigay alam na si kapatid na juan dela cruz ay itinitiwalag sa Iglesia sa pamumuhay ng labag sa pagkaKristyano...
What is the purpose of the announcement?
Post by: ricky on Jul 26, 2014 at 04:40 PM
Okay naman tanong ni Sickboy bro
That is why i said TRUE. The church has never ever seen my ITR.
Tatlo lang nakakita ng itr namin mag asawa. Our employers, psbank dahil sa autoloan at kami mismong mag asawa
Hahaha ako lang nakakakita ng itr ko
Post by: SiCkBoY on Jul 26, 2014 at 04:41 PM
another question and probably my last. what are the consequence if you do not follow the church's choice of politician? how do they know that you really voted for the person they chose?Wala, I guess. Kasi di naman malalaman. Kunsensya na lang siguro.
Post by: SiCkBoY on Jul 26, 2014 at 04:41 PM
Hahaha ako lang nakakakita ng itr koMali ka dyan bro. Nakikita yan ng BIR hehe.
Post by: ricky on Jul 26, 2014 at 04:50 PM
I raised points about INC's exclusivist view on salvation and high reverence to Felix Manalo, pero dito ka lang nag react. Do you read your bible?Is there a problem kung mamili lang ako kung saan ako mag react?
About reading your bible? I dont.
Gusto ko sana mag react re sa beliefs mo pero wag na lang, useless lang kasi hindi naman ako well versed pagdating dyan, baka mas mapasama lang ako. Yun din yung sinabi ko syo nung una di ba.
Post by: dench on Jul 26, 2014 at 05:26 PM
One can't know what the Bible says, if one does not read it.
It is not a surprise as majority of INC members are not well versed in the Bible because they don't read it either. INC ministers and pastors do not prohibit reading the book but they also do not advocate it.
Post by: dench on Jul 26, 2014 at 05:48 PM
I commented on that in Rappler. It's inaccurate. I love Rappler but when it comes to INC its bias clearly show.
The INC believes in the conscience of man. A person not reached by the gospel (he lived in a time and place where it's not available) will be judged by God according to his conscience. After all God can't judge him on any other basis like his belief in Christ, following the ten commandments, etc.
What is the basis of that belief about man's conscience?
You mentioned about the Gospel? How does the INC defines it?
Post by: ricky on Jul 26, 2014 at 07:49 PM
Mali ka dyan bro. Nakikita yan ng BIR hehe.
Yup pati nga pala nun accountant, sorry
Post by: ricky on Jul 26, 2014 at 08:00 PM
Siyempre wala namang problema kung gusto mo piliin yung comment na kaya mong sagutin.
One can't know what the Bible says, if one does not read it.
It is not a surprise as majority of INC members are not well versed in the Bible because they don't read it either. INC ministers and pastors do not prohibit reading the book but they also do not advocate it.
Lahat naman kaya ko sagutin sa tingin ko pero i choose not to kasi hindi nga ako magaling doon.
And i disagree na you cant know what the bible says if you dont read it. Kaya nga may mga bible studies and church services where they read it and explain it and answer questions. I just dont read it. Pero bakit nga ba hindi ako nagbabasa ng bible? Siguro kasi befire when i tried reading it nalito ako, as in hindi ko naintidihan most of it so i just stopped. Then i started to ask questions tungkol sa mga hindi ko naintindihan and it was explained to me very well by our minister. Ayun ok na ako doon, basta may tanong ako magtatanong na lang ako sa mas nakakaalam.
Mahirap yung sinasabing binabasa nya at naiintindihan nya yun pala wrong translation na. Yun ang ayaw ko mangyari sa akin.
Post by: ndy on Jul 26, 2014 at 09:39 PM
Post by: SiCkBoY on Jul 26, 2014 at 10:37 PM
happy centennial po sa atin mga inc members dito sa pdvd:-)And more power!
Post by: ninjababez® on Jul 26, 2014 at 11:22 PM
kita kaya fireworks from cubao! ;D
Post by: shoktongxxx on Jul 27, 2014 at 12:00 AM
Post by: dench on Jul 27, 2014 at 12:08 AM
Lahat naman kaya ko sagutin sa tingin ko pero i choose not to kasi hindi nga ako magaling doon.
And i disagree na you cant know what the bible says if you dont read it. Kaya nga may mga bible studies and church services where they read it and explain it and answer questions. I just dont read it. Pero bakit nga ba hindi ako nagbabasa ng bible? Siguro kasi befire when i tried reading it nalito ako, as in hindi ko naintidihan most of it so i just stopped. Then i started to ask questions tungkol sa mga hindi ko naintindihan and it was explained to me very well by our minister. Ayun ok na ako doon, basta may tanong ako magtatanong na lang ako sa mas nakakaalam.
Mahirap yung sinasabing binabasa nya at naiintindihan nya yun pala wrong translation na. Yun ang ayaw ko mangyari sa akin.
Simula PNK, to doktrina, to pagsamba, to gawain, to pamamahayag, INC members are raised in a way of life where its ministers and pastors have the exclusive authority and capability to read, study, and understand the bible. People do not bring the bible in all INC gatherings. So there is really no bible study going on, just preaching and listening. When one asks, one merely gets the same answer drawn from the George Lamsa translation of the bible and statements pulled from Catholic resources.
Naiintindihan ko why most of you would really struggle to read it. Reality is, you don't even have a desire to do so influenced by INC tradition. The bible just gathers dust at home.
Why read the bible? Because the Bible (66 books: 39 Old Testament books and 27 New Testament books) is the Word of God — supernaturally inspired, inerrant, and infallible. I believe it is supreme authority in all matters of faith, doctrine, and conduct. I believe in its sufficiency, clarity, and necessity for genuine Christian living. (2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:20-21; Psalms 119:105; Psalms 19:7-11; Proverbs 30:5)
The Bible is literally "God-breathed" (2 Timothy 3:16). It is God's very words to us. Jesus said, “‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God" (Matthew 4:4). Relationship with the Lord is personal and knowing and applying His Word is essential for that relationship to grow and flourish.
The Deity of Jesus Christ is written all over Scriptures and INC rejects it mainly because its ministers say so and because it believes it is merely a Roman Catholic invention during the Council of Nicea. Read the bible and it's written there. It's not difficult to understand.
Before Jesus ascended to heaven, his parting words were: Matthew 28:18-20 "And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
More than 2000 years ago, the Pharisees, experts of the Law and who memorized entire books of the Old Testament, denied and spurned Jesus. Today, a bigger part of the world (Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Atheism, etc) continue to do so.
The Catholic Church, from where the INC has drawn a great number of its Filipino members from and the church whose doctrines and traditions the INC has religiously opposed to attract people, actually are one of the few along with other Christian groups that upholds Jesus' divinity.
Post by: Quitacet on Jul 27, 2014 at 05:21 AM
Whatever we say you won.t accept it as you already have your mind adamant about them. And what you are saying is not true because what you say about us is your view of what we do and what we believe but in reality that is not the case.
One reply answering your post and attack ay manganganak ng sandamukal pang atake i often see with Soriano's members.
Don't be a debbie downer in this INC thread.
Thank you.
Post by: Quitacet on Jul 27, 2014 at 05:24 AM
another question and probably my last. what are the consequence if you do not follow the church's choice of politician? how do they know that you really voted for the person they chose?
You are alone in the polling booth. You can do whatever you want. And you won't be asked by anyone in the church how you voted. ;)
Post by: toys4geeks on Jul 27, 2014 at 07:33 AM
I watched Net25 yesterday and a parish priest was all praises with this achievement nakapagpagawa ng ganitong complex ang INC while sila daw kelangan pa magpa raffle or pa bingo to raise funds. I thought that was admirable.
Sinabi din sa segment na ang problem ng INC is kinukulang sila ng sambahan with the growing membership. the construction of the mega structure pala made it sa National Geographics. Lumabas din dun na the project tapped the landscape maker from the US, and ang unang bungad daw sa kausap eh "I dont believe you have such a project in the philippines", siguro kas third world tayo.
Ang saya siguro ng project management nyan during construction and final touches.
Sa votes, di kelangan pilitin dahil solid vote ang INC, IMO. I just hope Pnoy government makes his succession plan already based on consultations with INC kung sino dapat isunod so we can transition it peacefully and mapagpatuloy ang economic growth ng Pinas, we have been decades nito ko lang nakitang lumaki ang middle class ng ganito.
congratulations again sa INC.
Post by: dench on Jul 27, 2014 at 07:57 AM
@dench why don't you create a thread promoting your beliefs instead of bashing the INC in this thread.
Whatever we say you won.t accept it as you already have your mind adamant about them. And what you are saying is not true because what you say about us is your view of what we do and what we believe but in reality that is not the case.
One reply answering your post and attack ay manganganak ng sandamukal pang atake i often see with Soriano's members.
Don't be a debbie downer in this INC thread.
Thank you.
I see. You can't engage in a good conversation.
I just wonder pag may inaakay or pinadodoktrinahan ang INC most of whom are Catholics, you always tell them that "hindi namin gustong saktan ang damdamin nyo, nilalahad lamang namin ang katotohanan."
Pero pag may questions about INC, it's the same thing. Nasasaktan kayo and prefer to close your hearts and minds. Obviously, you don't know the answer so you resort to the term bashing. It's cool.
I noticed you were happily replying in others' posts before about Rappler. That Rappler article is so shallow. The writer doesn't know the INC that well. I know the INC in and out.
Anyway, congratulations on the INC centennial! It's a source of pride for most members.
God bless you brod!
Post by: Quitacet on Jul 27, 2014 at 08:32 AM
I hope everybody could've watched the service today and the message of the exec minister.
Thanks to everyone.
Post by: thebat on Jul 27, 2014 at 09:17 AM
Post by: SiCkBoY on Jul 27, 2014 at 09:33 AM
I see. You can't engage in a good conversation.May I ask how you know the INC inside and out?
I just wonder pag may inaakay or pinadodoktrinahan ang INC most of whom are Catholics, you always tell them that "hindi namin gustong saktan ang damdamin nyo, nilalahad lamang namin ang katotohanan."
Pero pag may questions about INC, it's the same thing. Nasasaktan kayo and prefer to close your hearts and minds. Obviously, you don't know the answer so you resort to the term bashing. It's cool.
I noticed you were happily replying in others' posts before about Rappler. That Rappler article is so shallow. The writer doesn't know the INC that well. I know the INC in and out.
Anyway, congratulations on the INC centennial! It's a source of pride for most members.
God bless you brod!
Post by: toys4geeks on Jul 27, 2014 at 09:41 AM
I see. You can't engage in a good conversation.
@dench,
In life, we qualify what makes a good conversation, depending on the interest of our company or in meeting your audience. you dont talk shop when you are hosting family and friends,
hmmm, your definition of good conversation may irk some since this is a forum and not a conversation amongst your peers.
Post by: dench on Jul 27, 2014 at 10:05 AM
@dench,
In life, we qualify what makes a good conversation, depending on the interest of our company or in meeting your audience. you dont talk shop when you are hosting family and friends,
hmmm, your definition of good conversation may irk some since this is a forum and not a conversation amongst your peers.
Cool. What is a forum then?
Post by: Pandidoy on Jul 27, 2014 at 10:05 AM
Post by: thebat on Jul 27, 2014 at 10:13 AM
Post by: SiCkBoY on Jul 27, 2014 at 10:50 AM
Si Kathryn Bernardo di pwedeng maging bf si Daniel Padilla (nor anynother non INC boy) sabi sa Yahoo news?Mag date pa lang ata, bawal na. Read that somewhere (here or in Rappler).
Post by: Quitacet on Jul 27, 2014 at 11:25 AM
Post by: thebat on Jul 27, 2014 at 01:13 PM
Post by: ricky on Jul 27, 2014 at 01:30 PM
si Ricky na lang liligaw kat KB. Hahahahaha
Hahaha, mas matanda pa mga anak ko sa kanya.
@dench - sa family namin ako lang bukod tangi hindi nagbabasa ng bible, yung tanong mo sa akin, yon din ang tanong nila. Yung sagot ko syo , yun din yung sagot ko sa kanila. I dont represent the whole INC, you cannot judge INC bec of me. Ang stand ko lang for any other issues, pag hindi ko masasagot ng maayos, mag call a friend na lang ako. Si brother quitacet, yan ang call a friend ko.
Sa mga bumati, maraming salamat sa inyo. Sana magkasama-sama tayo in the coming days.
Also ni minsan hindi namin nilait ang catolic church nor any of its members kasi catholic sila or kahit anong religion. Ni minsan wala nag sabi na kaya salbahe or magnanakaw yan kasi ganito religion nya. May nagtanong sa akin na kaibigan ko bakit daw namin lagi nilalait mga katoliko? Ang sagot ko sa kanya, hindi namin ito nilalait kahit ako mismo mapapatunayan mo na isa ako sa tapat mong kaibigan. Nagkataon lang na ang point of comparison ng teachings ng INC ay sa catholic church kasi yung ang kinagisnan na religion. Sana maunawaan ito ng iba. Hindi naman magtatagumpay ang INC at makararating sa kinalalagyan nya ngayon kung hindi sa pagpapala ng Diyos.
Post by: dodie on Jul 27, 2014 at 01:55 PM
Post by: dench on Jul 27, 2014 at 02:15 PM
Also ni minsan hindi namin nilait ang catolic church nor any of its members kasi catholic sila or kahit anong religion. Ni minsan wala nag sabi na kaya salbahe or magnanakaw yan kasi ganito religion nya. May nagtanong sa akin na kaibigan ko bakit daw namin lagi nilalait mga katoliko? Ang sagot ko sa kanya, hindi namin ito nilalait kahit ako mismo mapapatunayan mo na isa ako sa tapat mong kaibigan. Nagkataon lang na ang point of comparison ng teachings ng INC ay sa catholic church kasi yung ang kinagisnan na religion. Sana maunawaan ito ng iba. Hindi naman magtatagumpay ang INC at makararating sa kinalalagyan nya ngayon kung hindi sa pagpapala ng Diyos.
Where did I say na inaaalipusta nyo ang mga Katoliko? Babaw naman. Paano kayo makapagbubunga kung iinsultuhin ang inaakay?
"Nagkataon lang na ang point of comparison ng teachings ng INC ay sa catholic church"? Ganon ba. Di bat sa mga gawain at doktrina, INC always point out Catholic beliefs and practices and then you use it as spring board to highlight what INC believes in?
Sa paniniwala mo ba hindi nasasaktan ang damdamin ng isang Katoliko, pag pinapaliwanag ng pastor o manggagawa ang tungkol sa pagsamba sa diyos diyosan at mga santo, ang tungkol sa Trinity, ang hindi pagaasawa ng pari, na ang Pasko ay gawaing pagano, na ang pagro-rosaryo at panalangin ng paulit ulit ay hindi ayon sa bibliya, na walang kaligtasan kundi sa INC lamang?
Bato bato sa langit kung may tamaan wag sana magalit.
Post by: SiCkBoY on Jul 27, 2014 at 03:52 PM
Post by: dench on Jul 27, 2014 at 03:59 PM
Dench, are you a member of a particular sect?
I'm connected with Christ's Commission Fellowship.
Post by: dench on Jul 27, 2014 at 04:00 PM
Dench, are you a member of a particular sect?
Ikaw bro what do you believe in?
Post by: odyopayl on Jul 27, 2014 at 04:06 PM
Post by: odyopayl on Jul 27, 2014 at 04:09 PM
Post by: dench on Jul 27, 2014 at 04:20 PM
Post by: ricky on Jul 27, 2014 at 05:07 PM
I started this thread kasi I feel I need to share what I think and feel. Nagpapasalamat ako sa
Mga fellow members na naalala at nag laan ng oras para batiin ang INC. Malaking bagay ito sa
Amin na maalala nyo kami. Salamat.
Pero minsan mahirap din unawain kung bakit may sadya yatang mga pagkakataon na mahirap ipaliwanag. Katulad na lang ng pag may bumisita sa bahay
Mo. Mabait na tao at may maganda naman siguro g layunin at kaya
Ikaw ay binisita at binigyan ng sapat na panahon. Bago pumasok ng bahay nakita nya ang mga sapatos at tsinelas sa labas ng pintuan at napansin din naman nya na yung tao sa loob ng bahay ay nakayapak lang at malamang napansin din nya na may mga bata na nakaupo sa sahig. Nahiya ang bisita sa nakita nya at nag akma syang mag hubad ng sapatos. Napansin ito ng may ari ng bahay at sinabi na "ok lang wag ka nang mag tanggal ng sapatos, medyo maalikabok ang sahig namin". Ang mArespetong tao ay magtatanggal pa din ng sapatos bago pumasok bilang paggalang, samantalang ang bastos na tao ay mag sasabing "salamAt hindi na ako magtanggal ng sapatos". Ang masasabi ko lang sa bastos sana hindi na lang ako dinalaw, para hindi ko na lang nakita ugali nya.
Post by: rukawakaide1721 on Jul 27, 2014 at 05:40 PM
I'm connected with Christ's Commission Fellowship.
same ba siya ng Christ Commision Foundation? if yes! kasama mo sa pananampalataya ang pinsan ko at same time dun din siya nag wo-work bilang acconuntant...
nag try akong mag google...same lang sila...
Post by: Jepskie on Jul 27, 2014 at 08:15 PM
Sir Dench I agree with you, but can we possibly give this thread purely for INC and make another thread for a debate.
First of all Congratz Sir Ricky to your Centenial. Sir Dench please create a separate thread for a debate between beliefs and doctrines. I think it will be well supported by members that are authorities in different religions. I myself have some questions that i want answered but i have strong faith in my beliefs. Btw i am a catholic. God Bless us all...
Post by: SiCkBoY on Jul 27, 2014 at 09:36 PM
Ikaw bro what do you believe in?Hmmm... Well, I believe in John Lennon's message in the song 'Imagine.'
Post by: SiCkBoY on Jul 27, 2014 at 09:38 PM
same ba siya ng Christ Commision Foundation? if yes! kasama mo sa pananampalataya ang pinsan ko at same time dun din siya nag wo-work bilang acconuntant...Laki ng building nila sa Frontera Verde (Tiendesitas area).
nag try akong mag google...same lang sila...
Post by: leomarley on Jul 27, 2014 at 11:01 PM
Hmmm... Well, I believe in John Lennon's message in the song 'Imagine.'
+1
Post by: pekspert on Jul 28, 2014 at 04:24 AM
@dench, youre out of line on this thread. go to the other religious thread and bash any other religion than your own there.
Post by: toys4geeks on Jul 28, 2014 at 05:09 AM
wala ba kayong pics nung arena? ang laki talaga. I wish they have a good sound system there kasi i think they will be renting it out for events and concerts. Need mo magdala ng binoculars kung manonood ka ng concert dun.
abangan ko nga yung National Geographics nitong mega structure na ito, i think they made one sana i run.
over coffee my wife mentioned how impressive how they executed such project and the government (seriously) should look into the INC project manager of these undertakings, better for national governemtn to consider outsourcing to them the project management and reporting sa taongbayan :) given their wealth of experience stemming sa megaproject na ito.
It might even do our country some good to set a howto for DPWH
Post by: mbc0528 on Jul 28, 2014 at 06:09 AM
PASENCIA na Kagawad, I'm just trying my bit to push my views toward the INK. It may be very vehement and tinged with bitterness pero di naman ito mapapasubalian eh. The historical Christ flatly stated that his kingdom is not of this world. When he said that, the Roman governor has no criminal cause to indict him because that explicitly says he has no struggle nor fight with the Jewish state or the colonial Roman tyrants in place. But here is a church who claims to be headed by Christ but too politically active, even LOUD on its political partisan schemes. When the Iglesia supports a mayor in a town for instance, it will not distinguished if the mayor in question is a scoundrel, plunderer, murderer, or worst - as long as that person asks for the Iglesia's political support, even pays a pilgrimage-like visit to Diliman Central. The sad result for the country impacting its towns, cities and provinces is that a place is governed by a mayor or a governor that gets elected because he gains the electoral vote of a block who is not allowed to think independently. If the political leader in question wrought so much misery, stealing and even murder on his town, the INK who voted and vouched for him should also share the moral blame. But then sinong sasaway sa INK when they decided on a political character? Would they declare that they were mistaken in supporting such wicked people, after three or six or nine years? Wala kang maririnig sa kanila, what they care about foremostly is that when election comes, even a candidate with the most questionable credentials, is free to solicit their "support."
Kung di kayo nakaranas na ma-oppress, mawalan ng hanapbuhay, ma-harass ang livelihood, maperwisyo, mapagbantaan ng ganitong mga tao in office, who ride on the coattails of the vaunted INK block-voting mystique -- then you wouldn't have dumped my posts so promptly, marking it as hate-speech vitrioles from a sourpuss. Pero pahingi ng paumanhin muli Kagawad, I always maintained that PDVD ought to transcend from its tech-talk beginnings. Someone here posts that his church is having a big gathering, by anouncing that he has also opened the door for various, freewheeling, even contrarian, reactions and responses to come in. Di ba niya nabatid yun?
im an INC too.
and marami kaming nakakaharap na kagaya mo...
napapangiti nalang kami sa kagaya mo...
kasi, in the end, isa ka lang din sa mga malalampasan naming pagsubok.
so...GOODLUCK to you and goodluck to your nice attitude. :)
i think the original thread is about INVITATION, and its not for a debate, so...
imbitado po ang lahat.
Post by: ricky on Jul 28, 2014 at 06:55 AM
wala ba kayong pics nung arena? ang laki talaga. I wish they have a good sound system there kasi i think they will be renting it out for events and concerts. Need mo magdala ng binoculars kung manonood ka ng concert dun.
@dench, youre out of line on this thread. go to the other religious thread and bash any other religion than your own there.
Hi sir, Acoustic and sound system is always top notch pag dating sa designs. If you want you can visit one of our kapilya during our worship services ti hear it. Malinaw lahat ng dialogues kahit saan ka nakaupo.
Also try searching for INC pipe organ. It was featured last friday sa net25 at INC channel and pati ako nagulat sa nagawa nila. Parang close to impossible yung set up pero ayun nagawa nila.
@toys pare im into construction din and up to this day pag tinitignan ko yung "TRIBUNA" front part of the church, im always amazed paano nila nagawa yon offsite then just assembled there. Perfect lahat ng sukat at yung mga dugtungan hindi mo makikita. Skilled talaga yung mga master carpenters.
You guys are free to visit , just let me know kung gusto nyo samahan ko kayo.
Salamat ng marami.
Post by: ricky on Jul 28, 2014 at 07:01 AM
http://iglesianicristo.net/#1
http://www.iglesianicristowebsite.com/ Updates
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BZdAoei1fBw Discovery channel man made marvels
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gkd0jBIN-Oo Pipe organ
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Jul 28, 2014 at 10:07 AM
abangan ko nga yung National Geographics nitong mega structure na ito, i think they made one sana i run.
Meron na. It's one of the few earthquake proof structures.
Post by: SiCkBoY on Jul 28, 2014 at 10:24 AM
Meron na. It's one of the few earthquake proof structures.Sa Discovery Channel, pero wala pa sa NatGeo.
Post by: thebat on Jul 28, 2014 at 10:27 AM
Post by: toys4geeks on Jul 28, 2014 at 10:38 AM
Sa Discovery Channel, pero wala pa sa NatGeo.heheh baka ako mali baka nga DC, ;)
Post by: tony on Jul 28, 2014 at 10:51 AM
Post by: pekspert on Jul 28, 2014 at 10:55 AM
Post by: rochie on Jul 28, 2014 at 11:14 AM
dapat dito na gawin sa philippine arena ang mga ateneo-lasalle games para makapasok lahat.pag di pa din kasya meron pa Phil. Sports Stadium that can accommodate another 30k fans,if still not enough there are 2 more coliseums that is being built inside the complex that cold house 10-20k more spectators, those 2 LED screen outside Phil. Arena are humungous that you can watch even from nlex.
Post by: dodie on Jul 28, 2014 at 11:32 AM
wala ba kayong pics nung arena? ang laki talaga. I wish they have a good sound system there kasi i think they will be renting it out for events and concerts. Need mo magdala ng binoculars kung manonood ka ng concert dun.
@dench, youre out of line on this thread. go to the other religious thread and bash any other religion than your own there.
yap sir dench, i may disagree with sir pekspert on the bashing thing since spin off sya ng conversation, but i believe that its better to have a diff thread regarding the issues. ive read a lot of commentary in the forum regarding catholicism as a whole.. bashers here and there, to the point of maligning the authorities of the church. but there are very few who question the belief and practices of the other religion particularly the INC.why? afraid to do so or just the perfect religion?
Post by: leomarley on Jul 28, 2014 at 11:46 AM
Post by: ricky on Jul 28, 2014 at 01:12 PM
Gawa na lang ng religion bashing thread? Giyera yan kung sakali.
Why would anyone who believes in God even bash the faith of his fellow man. Pwede naman kausapin ng mabuti.
Pero kung meron talagang mga ganyang tao, im sure hindi hya magagawa or masasabi yan sa mga muslims.
Yes meron na sa natgeo pero hindi ko pa napanood. Under mega structures
May napanood ako yung isang consultant nagsalita na parang ang lakas ng loob gumawa ng ganito sa pilipinas during the meeting. Ayun nun natapos hahhaha. Right on schedule, inipit pa mga materials tsk tsk tsk
Peks buti kung pumayag mga pare na sa phil arena gawin ang venue, alam mo na minsan ang fried macholesterol.
Panoorin nyo yung sa pipe organ, unbelievable.
Post by: jerix on Jul 28, 2014 at 01:56 PM
If the holy trinity is true, and Jesus Christ is the God the Son, then who was God the son before his birth?
Post by: SiCkBoY on Jul 28, 2014 at 02:22 PM
Post by: leomarley on Jul 28, 2014 at 07:39 PM
I read that the PBA and INC are in negotiations to use the Philippine Arena as a venue for next season.
isa pa pala 'to. if the venue will be rented for any other reasons than a religious one, they should be taxed, right?
Post by: AppleMan on Jul 28, 2014 at 08:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThKY1vC2ilk
Post by: kidlat08 on Jul 28, 2014 at 08:52 PM
Post by: ndy on Jul 28, 2014 at 09:57 PM
heheh baka ako mali baka nga DC, ;)
sir sa doscovery yan pinalabas last year. aired last dec25, 2013. quake proof. napanood ko sya sa youtube pero mukhang wala na yung episode baka pinatanggal ng discovery yung upload. yung commercial na lang yun nandun sa youtube:-)
Post by: AppleMan on Jul 28, 2014 at 10:06 PM
I've seen this video before. I believe this was the one frequently used by Mr. Soriano and his ministers nung kainitan ng Ang Dating Daan na programa and Ang Tamang Daan ng INC. And i believe this has been answered and explained already by INC. I just dont know if i can find in Youtube that particular episode of Ang Tamang Daan.
Ano kaya ang dapat sagutin ng INC dyan sa video na yan?..obviuos na boses ni Manalo yung nadidinig... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Post by: ricky on Jul 28, 2014 at 10:15 PM
Ano kaya ang dapat sagutin ng INC dyan sa video na yan?..obviuos na boses ni Manalo yung nadidinig... ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hindi ko po maalala na ganyan ang boses ni ka Erdie. Ni magsalita hindi po ganyan. Ngayon kung nagkamali man ako at sya yan, yan ang leader, hindi pinagtatakpan kalokohan ng mga nasasakupan.
Post by: rochie on Jul 28, 2014 at 10:22 PM
isa pa pala 'to. if the venue will be rented for any other reasons than a religious one, they should be taxed, right?
yes of course,even during the construction of the whole complex taxes are being paid, from importation of the materials/equipment. INC is the owner of the complex but whatever earnings the complex makes INC will surely pay for the appropriate gov't tax and charges.
Post by: pekspert on Jul 28, 2014 at 10:30 PM
yes of course,even during the construction of the whole complex taxes are being paid, from importation of the materials/equipment..
how did you know this? did they really pay tax on all those imported equipment/materials?
Post by: rochie on Jul 28, 2014 at 10:33 PM
how did you know this? did they really pay tax on all those imported equipment/materials?
you can call or check with BIR.
Post by: AppleMan on Jul 28, 2014 at 10:40 PM
Hindi ko po maalala na ganyan ang boses ni ka Erdie. Ni magsalita hindi po ganyan. Ngayon kung nagkamali man ako at sya yan, yan ang leader, hindi pinagtatakpan kalokohan ng mga nasasakupan.
Nyahahaha.....mukhang maloloko nga mga manggagawa nya eh pati daw sya manggagawa din...lolz! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Post by: Quitacet on Jul 29, 2014 at 07:53 AM
Post by: jerix on Jul 29, 2014 at 08:32 AM
Post by: jerix on Jul 29, 2014 at 08:48 AM
"More often the actuation, attitude or the way people relates reveal what kind of spiritual upbringing their religion, if they have one, provides."
Post by: @lvins on Jul 29, 2014 at 10:40 AM
Taga lokal ako ng Pacita.
Post by: ricky on Jul 29, 2014 at 10:45 AM
how did you know this? did they really pay tax on all those imported equipment/materials?
Sigurado yon sir, hindi gagawa ng kalokohan ang tagapamahala para lang makatipid. Mahirap magkaroon ng utang na loob lalo na sa mga politiko at gobyerno .
Post by: ricky on Jul 29, 2014 at 10:48 AM
Post by: toys4geeks on Jul 29, 2014 at 11:16 AM
Why would anyone who believes in God even bash the faith of his fellow man. Pwede naman kausapin ng mabuti.
Meron ilan talagang ganyan, dahil ang faith lang nila ang mas magaling kesa sa iba. Madali ding sakyan yan dahil touchy ang subject and the problem with a discussion is when it goes wayward eh saka babanat ng below the belt. Lalo na sa ganito na handles lang ang usapan.
I would guess wisdom also goes with age and guides you to be a better fellowman, because I met most of you folks -- dahil nga pareho siguro tayo ng hilig sa AV kahit hindi tayo magkakalevel ng gusto. so why not in different levels of spirituality or religion? Wala naman masama if you DONT take sides, coz come your 11th hour its just you and your Maker.
I'm a catholic, my sister is born again Christian, a friend to others with other religion I keep good friends mixed and yes, with a very few pagans. You cant put labels on a person simply based on their manner of worship. We can discuss endlessly and i myself am convinced that its a personal choice to nurture ones spirituality in the manner he sees most fitting.
I am not a practicing Catholic, fact is for over a decade I miss mass on Sundays, on trying days i reflect to find peace, Promise to be better the next day, not just for God , not just for country, but more do i find that need to be a better example for our family and our children,
that everyday we have a lot to be thankful for.
that in life, it is much sweeter when labels aren't mixed when viewing things. But thats just me.
Inner peace ba hanap ng mga aburido sa buhay? I hope they find it or at least some semblance of it.
Post by: darth mond on Aug 02, 2014 at 09:54 AM
I somehow relate with you. My mom was catholic while my dad was a born again christian. I had difficulties dealing with religion growing-up.
A couple of years back, I somehow kept my spirituality but have lost touch with any organized religion. Am good friends with people who are religious and atheists and we do talk about religion alot. But we still get along. It is all about listening to other people's belief, sometimes challenging it, processing the information and respecting it whether you accept it or not. To be honest may mga napupulot din naman ako sa ibang sects. We just do not ram our belief in each others throats siguro kaya it works. But I agree, life can be better when labels aren't mixed when viewing things.
Though my wife is still getting used to me not attending mass, but that is another story.
Sorry if OT, mga INC brothers.
Post by: ricky on Aug 02, 2014 at 10:43 AM
Jim salamat
Post by: SiCkBoY on Jul 23, 2015 at 03:40 PM
http://www.rappler.com/nation/100225-iglesia-cristo-manalo-expel-mother-brother (http://www.rappler.com/nation/100225-iglesia-cristo-manalo-expel-mother-brother)
Post by: mhan_spidey on Jul 23, 2015 at 03:44 PM
http://www.rappler.com/nation/100237-iglesia-cristo-help-hostage-sign
Post by: kidlat08 on Jul 23, 2015 at 03:45 PM
Post by: Quitacet on Jul 23, 2015 at 03:53 PM
Let's just say that like in Philippine politics, PNoy might be a clean President but those around him not.
Post by: SiCkBoY on Jul 23, 2015 at 03:53 PM
Post by: yygoob on Jul 23, 2015 at 04:00 PM
Post by: Cruzader on Jul 23, 2015 at 04:03 PM
Post by: thebat on Jul 23, 2015 at 04:19 PM
Post by: Cruzader on Jul 23, 2015 at 04:25 PM
^ if you don't have anything intelligent to say here, please refrain from posting.
but that's it. it takes intelligence to discern a FAKE ;)
Post by: barrister on Jul 23, 2015 at 04:44 PM
onga ano pong ngyayari?
http://www.rappler.com/nation/100237-iglesia-cristo-help-hostage-sign (http://www.rappler.com/nation/100237-iglesia-cristo-help-hostage-sign)
Hindi ako INC, at hindi rin ako naniniwala sa INC doctrines. Pero duda ako sa hostage signs na yon.
Sabi niya hostage siya, pero puwede siyang humawak ng papel, folders at pentel, magsulat ng messages, magbukas ng malaking bintana, at magtutok ng mga malalaking messages sa labas ng malaking bintana. Napakaluwag naman ng mga bantay ng hostage na ito.
Ewan lang natin. Speculation lang, kasi hindi pa malinaw ang lahat.
Pero bilib naman ako sa mga INC members, hindi basta-basta nagbibigay ng opinyon habang wala pang malinaw. Mga disiplinado siguro talaga ang mga members.
Post by: Cruzader on Jul 23, 2015 at 04:56 PM
Pero bilib naman ako sa mga INC members, hindi basta-basta nagbibigay ng opinyon habang wala pang malinaw. Mga disiplinado siguro talaga ang mga members.
or maybe they can't make up their own mind without someone telling them what to think... ::)
Post by: SiCkBoY on Jul 23, 2015 at 05:04 PM
Hindi ako INC, at hindi rin ako naniniwala sa INC doctrines. Pero duda ako sa hostage signs na yon.
Sabi niya hostage siya, pero puwede siyang humawak ng papel, folders at pentel, magsulat ng messages, magbukas ng malaking bintana, at magtutok ng mga malalaking messages sa labas ng malaking bintana. Napakaluwag naman ng mga bantay ng hostage na ito.
Ewan lang natin. Speculation lang, kasi hindi pa malinaw ang lahat.
Possible na restricted ang freedom but can move freely around the house.
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Pero bilib naman ako sa mga INC members, hindi basta-basta nagbibigay ng opinyon habang wala pang malinaw. Mga disiplinado siguro talaga ang mga members.
Possible na natatakot rin sila ma expel.
Post by: ricky on Jul 23, 2015 at 05:06 PM
Post by: luis on Jul 23, 2015 at 05:16 PM
^sensitive issue, kung wala kami masabi eh hindi na lang kami magsasalita. Kami din nabigla sa nangyari. Mahirap magbigay mg haka haka at sariling opinyon, baka mali lang eh lalo pang lumaki ang gulo. Nananalangin na lang kami na sana maging maayos at maliwanagan ang lahat. Salamat sa inyong mga. Nakakaintindi.
+ 1
but by nature people will always notice and have an opinion. ;D
Post by: krets pulpol on Jul 23, 2015 at 05:20 PM
Anyway, I'm just reading the news and some are still sketchy. So no hostage?
Post by: Verbl Kint on Jul 23, 2015 at 05:23 PM
Post by: tony on Jul 23, 2015 at 06:14 PM
Post by: choyb on Jul 23, 2015 at 10:25 PM
greetings on your anniversary Ricky....whatever it is, it will sort itself in time....Likewise @Ricky, Happy 101st Anniversary of the Iglesia Ni Cristo.
The INC is bigger than any of these issues.
All the best!
Post by: ricky on Jul 23, 2015 at 11:00 PM
greetings on your anniversary Ricky....whatever it is, it will sort itself in time....
Thank you very much sir tony and sir choyb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HayKTlJtxDs
We are all hoping for the best.
Post by: Ice Storm on Jul 24, 2015 at 01:04 AM
Filipinos should turn a blind eye to this skirmish.
So, how long is INC planning to keep Chris Brown in town? Will it drag on for years? :)
Baka Chris Brown can start working for Eat Bulaga. ;)
Post by: neilc on Jul 24, 2015 at 07:03 AM
Post by: mhan_spidey on Jul 24, 2015 at 07:34 AM
Post by: paolorenzo on Jul 24, 2015 at 07:46 AM
https://incsilentnomore.wordpress.com/2015/07/18/the-tyranny-of-injustice/
Post by: newwaveboy on Jul 24, 2015 at 07:48 AM
Govt and non-INC members should not meddle in internal INC affairs.
Filipinos should turn a blind eye to this skirmish.
So, how long is INC planning to keep Chris Brown in town? Will it drag on for years? :)
Baka Chris Brown can start working for Eat Bulaga. ;)
I agree that non-INC should keep off from INC affairs ...... but if there's the possibility of criminal activity, its the job of the authorities to look into it and sort things out, regardless of religion.
Nandito pa nga ba si Chris Brown ?
Hehe, kawawa naman ...... tiyak hindi na babalik dito yan, the next time around.
Post by: oweidah on Jul 24, 2015 at 07:54 AM
more like a power struggle.
sa kaharian o relihiyon o big biz empires pag nwala founder king o top personality, awayan pwestuhan, power struggle ng mga prinsipe.
paano damage control nyan eh pumutok na sa media. spin docs wil have hands full
Post by: disturbed on Jul 24, 2015 at 10:23 AM
Just received this today. I'm not INC. Hope ko lang that truth and justice prevails.
https://incsilentnomore.wordpress.com/2015/07/18/the-tyranny-of-injustice/
the article is date July 18..before the issue erupted in the media..hope the truth will come out..
Post by: bartender on Jul 24, 2015 at 10:30 AM
Govt and non-INC members should not meddle in internal INC affairs.
Filipinos should turn a blind eye to this skirmish.
Quid pro quo. Maybe they should also stop meddling into gov't affairs and those outside the INC.
Post by: jerix on Jul 24, 2015 at 02:30 PM
Ka Angel is saying that he wants to talk to his brother because he believes that he is being used by the group. Ka Ed is not saying anything, though there is that feeling that he is being prevented by the group to communicate with the family for thousands of reasons we all silently know.
Post by: SiCkBoY on Jul 24, 2015 at 03:33 PM
either simpleng away pamilya pero matindi repercussion, epekto sa mga miyembro at sa politika.
more like a power struggle.
sa kaharian o relihiyon o big biz empires pag nwala founder king o top personality, awayan pwestuhan, power struggle ng mga prinsipe.
paano damage control nyan eh pumutok na sa media. spin docs wil have hands full
A Game of Thrones
Post by: halvert on Jul 24, 2015 at 03:48 PM
Post by: jeff29jeff2002 on Jul 24, 2015 at 09:55 PM
Post by: ricky on Jul 24, 2015 at 10:18 PM
Post by: dodie on Jul 24, 2015 at 11:56 PM
Post by: thebat on Jul 25, 2015 at 10:47 AM
Post by: dpogs on Jul 25, 2015 at 11:18 AM
imho, members should keep silent on what is happening inside their church - pag-usapan nilang mga members at mga leaders - if nothing happens and if they want to talk about it in public they should resign first as member of the church...
the public and the government has nothing to do kung anuman ang nangyayari, kabutihan, o kabalastugan, kawalanghiyaan ng mga ministro its the church's problem unless life is in danger or public is in danger then the government must do something.
Post by: tony on Jul 25, 2015 at 11:45 AM
bawat makabasa ng bible, gustong magtayo....
pero ganyan talaga, malaya ang mga tao na pumili...malayang mag-iip ng kung ano ang mabuti...
at sa kahit na anong samahan meron pagkakaiba ng pananaw,
Pilipino pa......kaya nga merong magdiwang at magdalo na natayo noong pahanhon ng rebolusyon...
Post by: oweidah on Jul 25, 2015 at 12:24 PM
ka tony, isa sa good bizness daw pag may charisma at gift of tongue magtayo ng relihiyon
Post by: tony on Jul 25, 2015 at 12:37 PM
o.t.
ka tony, isa sa good bizness daw pag may charisma at gift of tongue magtayo ng relihiyon
mahirap yan....
pero saludo parin ako sa iglesia, took them 100 years bago me lumabas na ganito...
kung sa iba yan, bago pa lang meron nang break away factions...
Post by: praktikal on Jul 25, 2015 at 12:41 PM
Post by: zram18 on Jul 25, 2015 at 03:00 PM
their chief auditor (unless he is also been corrupted now) should come out and reveal the truth. kung may mga anay man jan sa sanggunian nyo, dapat matanggal na yan bago pa maapektuhan ang buong organisasyon.
lets just hope that INC members could soon overcome these challenges. at please, mga politiko, wag na kayo umepal jan sa mga bagay na yan. marami na naman magtetake advantage na mga politiko dito considering na malapit na ang 2016 elections.
Post by: SiCkBoY on Jul 25, 2015 at 05:30 PM
hala, meron na rin daw corruption sa INC?That won't happen unless he is also ready to be expelled from the church.
their chief auditor (unless he is also been corrupted now) should come out and reveal the truth. kung may mga anay man jan sa sanggunian nyo, dapat matanggal na yan bago pa maapektuhan ang buong organisasyon.
lets just hope that INC members could soon overcome these challenges. at please, mga politiko, wag na kayo umepal jan sa mga bagay na yan. marami na naman magtetake advantage na mga politiko dito considering na malapit na ang 2016 elections.
Post by: Verbl Kint on Jul 25, 2015 at 07:20 PM
Post by: tony on Jul 25, 2015 at 07:23 PM
Corruption happens everywhere. The Vatican has been trying to fix its shop for the last 50 years.
i would say even 1000 years before that.....
Post by: oweidah on Jul 25, 2015 at 07:26 PM
Post by: sovrain on Jul 25, 2015 at 07:51 PM
Post by: pekspert on Jul 25, 2015 at 08:25 PM
hala, meron na rin daw corruption sa INC?tinatanong pa ba yan?
Post by: SiCkBoY on Jul 25, 2015 at 08:25 PM
http://www.rappler.com/move-ph/ispeak/66102-iglesia-ni-cristo-mentality-exclusivity (http://www.rappler.com/move-ph/ispeak/66102-iglesia-ni-cristo-mentality-exclusivity)
Post by: praktikal on Jul 25, 2015 at 08:41 PM
Post by: tony on Jul 26, 2015 at 07:52 AM
tinatanong pa ba yan?
tanongin mo si Velarde kung saan nya dinadala ang mga "siksik liglig at umaapaw na abuloy"
meron na ba siyang naipatayong cathedral?
Post by: SiCkBoY on Jul 26, 2015 at 04:41 PM
Let's also not forget to pray for ourselves as we are all damned if it turns out that the INC doctrines are right.
Post by: barrister on Jul 26, 2015 at 05:03 PM
Ang lumalabas ay walang hostage-taking. Hindi yata pinanigan ng kapatiran sina Angel Manalo. Tumawag ng people power sa harap ng residence niya, pero palpak.
INC followers weigh in on Angel Manalo's claims
Some INC members who were concerned about Angel and Tenny Manalo's plea for help now say they feel duped
http://www.rappler.com/nation/100315-iglesia-ni-cristo-followers-angel-manalo (http://www.rappler.com/nation/100315-iglesia-ni-cristo-followers-angel-manalo)
Post by: halvert on Jul 26, 2015 at 05:51 PM
May minister sa States na mas piniling magbitiw during the service kesa basahin yung expulsion letter.
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/126593/minister-cant-take-inc-infighting-steps-down
Post by: tony on Jul 26, 2015 at 07:42 PM
Post by: Ice Storm on Jul 26, 2015 at 08:56 PM
Post by: ricky on Jul 26, 2015 at 09:27 PM
but...
May minister sa States na mas piniling magbitiw during the service kesa basahin yung expulsion letter.
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/126593/minister-cant-take-inc-infighting-steps-down
Yun tagubilin comes after the service. Not sa middle ng service. I have heard it and napakalinaw ng mensahe ni ka Eduardo. Napaiyak ako hindi dahil natiwalag sila pero dahil sa sitwasyon na ginawa nila, yet nagpakatatag pa din si ka Eduardo at hindi ang pansariling kapakanan ang sinunod nya. Maikli pero maiintindihan mo kung bakit napagpasyahan ang gayon. Kung totoong Iglesia ni Cristo ka maliliwanagan ka sa nangyari. Salamat sa inyo sa pag suporta sa amin.
Post by: barrister on Jul 26, 2015 at 09:29 PM
Post by: ABCmotorparts on Jul 26, 2015 at 09:34 PM
And they would just shut up in times like this...
Yan din ang sinasabi ng mga brother in law ko na INC...
Post by: oweidah on Jul 26, 2015 at 10:03 PM
in a way nanalo "bad guys", kawawa un lumutang, pati pamilya nys
di kaya yung mga nkapaligid, close.inner circle or isang power clicque, mga rasputin nagco. control dun ss lider ?
Post by: zram18 on Jul 26, 2015 at 10:21 PM
in reality, meron sila lahat karapatan magsalita dito kasi silang lahat na members ang nagbibigay ng kanilang ikapu, whose funds are all entrusted to their higher ups.
sayang naman ang 100 years na pinaghirapan ng kanilang mga ninuno...only to be corrupted by some of their higher ups.
naway malagpasan nila ang matinding mga pagsubok na ito.
Post by: ricky on Jul 26, 2015 at 11:07 PM
Nangasiwa ang tagapamahala kaninang umaga. Everything will be resolved
Also ikapu is not true
Not sweeping under the rug. Proof is needed before youll be heard . Kung haka haka lang acusations mo sa fellow brother or sister mo malamang ikaw pa ang maaksyunan lalo na kung ikinalat mo na. Bawal kasi sa amin mag demandahan sa kapwa INC mo.
Post by: dpogs on Jul 27, 2015 at 12:29 AM
if you need change in your church talk to the elders, talk to members... if nothing happens at kapit tuko pa rin sa posisyon... dont wait na sila pa magpaalis sa iyo... alis ka na kusa... hindi ka lalago spiritually kung magstay ka pa dyan...
Post by: barrister on Jul 27, 2015 at 12:32 AM
Not sweeping under the rug. Proof is needed before youll be heard .
Tama yan.
Sa interviews kina Angel Manalo and Isaias Samson, walang kakuwenta-kuwenta ang allegations.
Corruption daw. Pero walang evidence, puro generalizations.
Kaya nga sa tingin ko, tapos na ang problema.
Post by: Cruzader on Jul 27, 2015 at 08:42 AM
Tama yan.
Sa interviews kina Angel Manalo and Isaias Samson, walang kakuwenta-kuwenta ang allegations.
Corruption daw. Pero walang evidence, puro generalizations.
Kaya nga sa tingin ko, tapos na ang problema.
http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/investigative/100445-iglesia-leaders-billions-pesos-aircraft
Post by: barrister on Jul 27, 2015 at 09:55 AM
http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/investigative/100445-iglesia-leaders-billions-pesos-aircraft (http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/investigative/100445-iglesia-leaders-billions-pesos-aircraft)
Corruption na ba yon?
All it alleges is that the church owns one expensive plane and leases another expensive plane.
Expensive, yes. That's not enough to call it dishonest, fraudulent or corrupt.
Post by: jerix on Jul 28, 2015 at 07:56 AM
Angel is saying that the church is now deviating from the accepted church doctrines. If said acts like using the "abuloys" for business purposes are not supported by their church doctrines so maybe he is right in his allegation of anomaly or irregularity.
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Jul 28, 2015 at 08:19 AM
...depending on what standards they are living with.
Angel is saying that the church is now deviating from the accepted church doctrines. If said acts like using the "abuloys" for business purposes are not supported by their church doctrines so maybe he is right in his allegation of anomaly or irregularity.
I think wala talaga sa church doctrines nila yun. Or baka meron sa by-laws nila re purchasing.
Post by: jerix on Jul 28, 2015 at 09:57 AM
Post by: barrister on Jul 28, 2015 at 02:49 PM
I think wala talaga sa church doctrines nila yun. Or baka meron sa by-laws nila re purchasing.
Kung violation ng church doctrines ang problema ni Angel, e di linawin niya na violation of church doctrines ang issue.
Kaso hindi ganon. Corruption talaga ang sinasabi ni Angel.
"Hindi naman po sa kabuuan ang kurapsyon e. Nasa iilang tao lamang po ang gumagawa ng kasamaan at 'yun nga po ang sanggunian," he said, adding that his camp will release evidence in the coming days.
According to Manalo, the corruption allegedly involves the construction of the Philippine Arena in Bocaue, Bulacan.
"Napakalaki na po ng maintenance cost po nun. Nahihirapan ang mga kapatid kakaabuloy, karagdagang abuloy," he said.
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/529478/news/nation/angel-manalo-slams-two-iglesia-ni-cristo-officials-for-corruption (http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/529478/news/nation/angel-manalo-slams-two-iglesia-ni-cristo-officials-for-corruption)
Palagay na natin na malaking gastos nga.
Kung ang reklamo mo ay malaki ang gastos, e di ang reklamo mo dapat ay mali lang ang business decision. Hindi siya dapat lumundag agad sa corruption.
Bago niya sabihing corruption, ipakita niya na may nagbulsa ng pera, may tongpats, may personal na kumita. Hindi yung malaki lang ang gastos, corruption na agad ang bintang.
Bakit ba siya itiniwalag? Dahil naglabas siya ng video na sinasabing nasa panganib daw ang buhay nila.
Kung nasa panganib, dapat lumipat siya sa safehouse. Hindi daw siya hostage, hindi rin siya nakakulong. Pero hindi man lang umalis ng bahay, paano ka namang maniniwala doon.
Natawa nga ako nung tumatawag ng people power habang nakadungaw sa opening ng steel gate. Ang sabi ni Angel, "Huwag po tayong matakot." Paano namang lalakas ang loob ng tinatawagan, huwag daw matakot, e siya nga itong hindi man lang makapagbukas ng gate kahit sa pulis, NBI, mayor Herbert, etc., ok na sa kanya ang dumungaw na lang sa bintana... :D
Tapos yung karatula na nagsasabing hostage daw sila, sabi niya may bata lang daw na nagbibiro. Pero kung titignan mo yung kamay at braso ng humahawak ng karatula na ayaw magpakita ang mukha, obvious na hindi naman bata, mukhang gayut na... :D
Mas believable nga ang official statement ng INC --- Angel wants control of the finances of the INC. Hindi pinagbigyan, ayun, gumawa ng kasinungalingan.
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Jul 28, 2015 at 03:39 PM
Post by: tony on Jul 28, 2015 at 03:42 PM
I agree with you. Plus, hindi ata pwedeng tawagin corruption yun. Baka theft or something but not corruption.
LOL! are you serious? :D
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Jul 28, 2015 at 04:36 PM
LOL! are you serious? :D
Misuse of funds probably?
After checking the meaning of corruption:
There is no globally accepted definition of corruption.[1] In philosophical, theological, ormoral discussions, corruption is the abuse of bestowed power or position to acquire a personal benefit. Corruption may include many activities including bribery andembezzlement. Government, or 'political', corruption occurs when an office-holder or other governmental employee acts in an official official capacity for personal gain.
Depende ata as to how our government would define corruption.
Post by: barrister on Jul 28, 2015 at 05:15 PM
I agree with you. Plus, hindi ata pwedeng tawagin corruption yun. Baka theft or something but not corruption.
Kung theft, e di may corruption na nga.
Tignan mo yung definition mo sir, may personal benefit or personal gain. Pag may theft, may personal gain, may corruption.
Ang sinasabi ko, kung malaking gastos ang eroplano at Arena, puwedeng mali ang desisyon sa gastos. Pero nasaan doon ang evidence na may theft o personal na nagbulsa ng pera na INC Sanggunian member?
Malaki nga ang gastos, wala namang nagbulsa ng pera, ibang issue yon, hindi corruption.
Puwedeng may corruption na nangyari, bakit hindi. Pero bigyan naman niya tayo ng basis. Hindi yung malaki lang ang gastos, automatically tiyak na may theft or corruption na by a Sanggunian member.
Post by: tony on Jul 28, 2015 at 07:37 PM
likas ba sa tao ang magnakaw? sa values ko hinde....
Post by: dpogs on Jul 28, 2015 at 08:26 PM
Post by: GIJoe on Jul 29, 2015 at 07:57 AM
http://pilipinasdaily.com/iglesia-ni-cristo-made-nlex-as-their-parking-lot/ (http://pilipinasdaily.com/iglesia-ni-cristo-made-nlex-as-their-parking-lot/)
Post by: Verbl Kint on Jul 29, 2015 at 08:09 AM
Ginawang parking lot ang NLEX? Bat sila magdadala ng madaming sasakyan if wala sila parking? Wala ba parking yung Philippine arena?Minsan lang naman. Yung ibang mga simbahan nga diyan, linggo linggo kung magbara ng mga major thoroughfares. Tapos kung mag prusisyon or piyesta pa sarado mga kalsada.
http://pilipinasdaily.com/iglesia-ni-cristo-made-nlex-as-their-parking-lot/ (http://pilipinasdaily.com/iglesia-ni-cristo-made-nlex-as-their-parking-lot/)
Post by: sovrain on Jul 29, 2015 at 08:25 AM
Post by: Quitacet on Jul 29, 2015 at 08:49 AM
Ginawang parking lot ang NLEX? Bat sila magdadala ng madaming sasakyan if wala sila parking? Wala ba parking yung Philippine arena?
http://pilipinasdaily.com/iglesia-ni-cristo-made-nlex-as-their-parking-lot/ (http://pilipinasdaily.com/iglesia-ni-cristo-made-nlex-as-their-parking-lot/)
Plan was members will be brought to Phil Arena, by hired PUBs, then go to designated parking lots. All vehicles that will not be accommodated by PA's parking will then bring members to PA, then use wide shoulders of roads along Plaridel-Balagtas bypass road, Sta, Maria, Pulilan, etc., then await calls for them to pick up members inside PA in a designated pick-up area.
Problem is that PUB drivers try to get ahead of other drivers so they can pickup their passengers earlier than other drivers. Problem is most of them think like this, resulting to hell of a traffic.
Of course local congregations should also be blamed. They are responsible for instilling discipline to their hired vehicle drivers.
in short: Kulang talaga sa disiplina ang maraming Pinoy (lalo na mga drivers)
Post by: dpogs on Jul 29, 2015 at 08:57 AM
Ginawang parking lot ang NLEX? Bat sila magdadala ng madaming sasakyan if wala sila parking? Wala ba parking yung Philippine arena?
http://pilipinasdaily.com/iglesia-ni-cristo-made-nlex-as-their-parking-lot/ (http://pilipinasdaily.com/iglesia-ni-cristo-made-nlex-as-their-parking-lot/)
tama... dapat ang simbahan may parking lot para sa kanilang mga members... hindi lang ito applicable sa INC... pati sa lahat ng religion dito sa Pilipinas... :):):)
Post by: GIJoe on Jul 29, 2015 at 09:42 AM
Minsan lang naman. Yung ibang mga simbahan nga diyan, linggo linggo kung magbara ng mga major thoroughfares. Tapos kung mag prusisyon or piyesta pa sarado mga kalsada.
This is not a good thinking so pag ba nagnakaw ng madaming beses ang isang tao gagayahin mo na din magnanakaw ka na din ng isang beses? ;D ;D
Post by: Verbl Kint on Jul 29, 2015 at 10:08 AM
This is not a good thinking so pag ba nagnakaw ng madaming beses ang isang tao gagayahin mo na din magnanakaw ka na din ng isang beses? ;D ;DIt's so awesome that you correlated theft to traffic. Ipagpatuloy mo yan, kapatid. Aasenso ka diyan.
Post by: GIJoe on Jul 29, 2015 at 10:12 AM
It's so awesome that you correlated theft to traffic. Ipagpatuloy mo yan, kapatid. Aasenso ka diyan.
o sige di na theft ang sample pag pa na jaywalk ng madami si juan mag jay walk ka na din ng isa? Its just an example tinamaan ka ba? :o :o :o
Post by: GIJoe on Jul 29, 2015 at 10:20 AM
Post by: sovrain on Jul 29, 2015 at 10:24 AM
Post by: rochie on Jul 29, 2015 at 10:49 AM
may mga kaibigan ako na dadaan sana sa lugar na yun at buti na lang naisipan nilang magtanong sa akin nung araw na yun kaya naipayo ko na imbes na sa NLEX sila dumaan ay mangyaring sa Mc Arthur hiway na lang at paglagpas ng bocaue maluwag na ang NLEX.
uulitin ko po pasensiya na po sa mga naabala at sa susunod na taon ay pag-aaralan pong mabuti at gagawan ng paraan para hindi na maulit ang ganitong sitwasyon.
Post by: bejiboys on Jul 29, 2015 at 11:00 AM
Post by: SiCkBoY on Jul 29, 2015 at 12:08 PM
o sige di na theft ang sample pag pa na jaywalk ng madami si juan mag jay walk ka na din ng isa? Its just an example tinamaan ka ba? :o :o :oIt's actually a pretty solid analogy as it highlights the point. That's how John Oliver would do it--but in a funny way.
Post by: dpogs on Jul 29, 2015 at 12:30 PM
Punta naman tayo sa malalaking simbahan na ang mga member lingo lingo ganoon lagi ginagawa... Aba eh lingolingo na lang di pa rin naggawan ng paraan... Isasarado pa ang public road...
Post by: jjlovemusic on Jul 29, 2015 at 12:34 PM
Ang sabi ng inc member ay gagawa sila ng hakbang next year.. Then it is good, lets wait untilnext year.
Punta naman tayo sa malalaking simbahan na ang mga member lingo lingo ganoon lagi ginagawa... Aba eh lingolingo na lang di pa rin naggawan ng paraan... Isasarado pa ang pubic road...
mabuhok yang daan na yan sir!
Post by: dpogs on Jul 29, 2015 at 12:36 PM
mabuhok yang daan na yan sir!Lol... Already modified... Di ko napansin agad... Lol
Post by: sovrain on Jul 29, 2015 at 01:20 PM
Post by: jerix on Jul 29, 2015 at 08:00 PM
Post by: jhelenz on Jul 29, 2015 at 08:55 PM
sa mga naperwisyo sa trapik sa NLEX, pasensiya na po kayo,nakipag coordinate po ang INC sa lahat ng kinauukulan(NLEX/MMDA/PNP/LGU etc etc) para maiwasang magkabuhol buhol ang trapik, ngunit sadya lang pong madaming sasakyan ang dumating at hindi po namin inaasahan dahil na din siguro sa gustong patunayan ng mga miyembro ng Iglesia na hindi kami nagkakawatak watak sa ngayon dahil sa krisis na aming kinakaharap kaya po minabuti nilang dumalo sa pagtitipon, pinagbawal na nga po ang mga kotse na kokonti lang ang kayang isakay kumpara sa mga bus at jeep.imho this is a more appropriate and humble response from the issue of nlex parking,hindi yung sagot na "eh minsan lang naman eh" or "e ginagawa din naman ng iba yun" na ang dating eh justified yung nangyaring perwisyo.kudos to you sir rochie
may mga kaibigan ako na dadaan sana sa lugar na yun at buti na lang naisipan nilang magtanong sa akin nung araw na yun kaya naipayo ko na imbes na sa NLEX sila dumaan ay mangyaring sa Mc Arthur hiway na lang at paglagpas ng bocaue maluwag na ang NLEX.
uulitin ko po pasensiya na po sa mga naabala at sa susunod na taon ay pag-aaralan pong mabuti at gagawan ng paraan para hindi na maulit ang ganitong sitwasyon.
Post by: SiCkBoY on Jul 30, 2015 at 06:57 PM
Post by: kidlat08 on Jul 30, 2015 at 07:09 PM
From what you've witnessed in the past (prior to this schism), madali po ba tumiwalag sa INC? No hard feelings?
From what i know sir, may proseso rin pong dadaanan kung ang isang kaanib ay nag desisyon na ayaw na nyang maging isang INC. Nagsisimula ito sa paggawa ng isang sulat (tawag namin dito ay salaysay) na nakasaad ang mga dahilan kung bakit ayaw mo ng maging kaanib. Syempre, tulad ng isang empleyado sa isang kumpanya, kakausapin ka pa rin para alamin ang mga tunay na dahilan. At kung desidido ka na talaga, irerespeto nila ang desisyon mo.
I only knew of this process quite recently. My wife is just converted to the church. And she's been thinking of going back to being Catholic. And i respect that. That's why i started asking around, especially amongst the elders and ministers of the church.
I hope this answered your questions sir.
Post by: leomarley on Jul 30, 2015 at 07:56 PM
Post by: tony on Jul 30, 2015 at 09:22 PM
ang pagka-alam ko tiniwalag din.....
Post by: GIJoe on Jul 30, 2015 at 09:24 PM
From what i know sir, may proseso rin pong dadaanan kung ang isang kaanib ay nag desisyon na ayaw na nyang maging isang INC. Nagsisimula ito sa paggawa ng isang sulat (tawag namin dito ay salaysay) na nakasaad ang mga dahilan kung bakit ayaw mo ng maging kaanib. Syempre, tulad ng isang empleyado sa isang kumpanya, kakausapin ka pa rin para alamin ang mga tunay na dahilan. At kung desidido ka na talaga, irerespeto nila ang desisyon mo.
I only knew of this process quite recently. My wife is just converted to the church. And she's been thinking of going back to being Catholic. And i respect that. That's why i started asking around, especially amongst the elders and ministers of the church.
I hope this answered your questions sir.
Pag ba tiniwalag ng INC membe nila wala na din yun ganito na proseso?
sa mga naperwisyo sa trapik sa NLEX, pasensiya na po kayo,nakipag coordinate po ang INC sa lahat ng kinauukulan(NLEX/MMDA/PNP/LGU etc etc) para maiwasang magkabuhol buhol ang trapik, ngunit sadya lang pong madaming sasakyan ang dumating at hindi po namin inaasahan dahil na din siguro sa gustong patunayan ng mga miyembro ng Iglesia na hindi kami nagkakawatak watak sa ngayon dahil sa krisis na aming kinakaharap kaya po minabuti nilang dumalo sa pagtitipon, pinagbawal na nga po ang mga kotse na kokonti lang ang kayang isakay kumpara sa mga bus at jeep.
may mga kaibigan ako na dadaan sana sa lugar na yun at buti na lang naisipan nilang magtanong sa akin nung araw na yun kaya naipayo ko na imbes na sa NLEX sila dumaan ay mangyaring sa Mc Arthur hiway na lang at paglagpas ng bocaue maluwag na ang NLEX.
uulitin ko po pasensiya na po sa mga naabala at sa susunod na taon ay pag-aaralan pong mabuti at gagawan ng paraan para hindi na maulit ang ganitong sitwasyon.
Thanks sa sagot boss pero we can't deny na may mga naproprotesta pa din sa nangyari lalo na dito sa mga INC members sa US asking for further explain or resignation of some.
Post by: kidlat08 on Jul 30, 2015 at 10:01 PM
from what i hear from my cousin who's an INC member pupuntahan ka sa bahay kung di ka naka-attend ng samba. ang question ko is, do you really need to do the interview?
Maka attend ka man o hindi ng mga pagsamba, regular po talaga ang pagdalaw ng mga Church Officers sa mga bahay ng mga miyembro. Regular po kasi ang pagbibigay ng tagubilin ng Pamamahala through the Church Ministers, which are then relayed by the Church Officers through each member's household.
Kung ayaw mo ng "interview", one can just stop going to church altogether and transfer to a different address. Kahit huminto ka kasi sa pagsamba, pero same address ka pa rin, dadalawin ka pa rin ng mga officers, so mag eexplain ka pa rin kung bakit huminto ka na sa pag attend :)
Post by: bartender on Jul 30, 2015 at 11:04 PM
Maka attend ka man o hindi ng mga pagsamba, regular po talaga ang pagdalaw ng mga Church Officers sa mga bahay ng mga miyembro. Regular po kasi ang pagbibigay ng tagubilin ng Pamamahala through the Church Ministers, which are then relayed by the Church Officers through each member's household.Baking kailangan lumipat? Kung ayaw na at nag sabi na ayaw na nya, diba dapat galangin ang desisyon na yun? Parang may mali. Parang nakakatakot.
Kung ayaw mo ng "interview", one can just stop going to church altogether and transfer to a different address. Kahit huminto ka kasi sa pagsamba, pero same address ka pa rin, dadalawin ka pa rin ng mga officers, so mag eexplain ka pa rin kung bakit huminto ka na sa pag attend :)
Post by: kidlat08 on Jul 30, 2015 at 11:12 PM
Post by: leomarley on Jul 30, 2015 at 11:46 PM
Kung ayaw mo ng "interview", one can just stop going to church altogether and transfer to a different address. Kahit huminto ka kasi sa pagsamba, pero same address ka pa rin, dadalawin ka pa rin ng mga officers, so mag eexplain ka pa rin kung bakit huminto ka na sa pag attend :)
what if i don't want to give an explanation?
Post by: panzimus on Jul 31, 2015 at 12:47 AM
Post by: kidlat08 on Jul 31, 2015 at 06:55 AM
may question po ako sa INC na matagal ko na pinagiisipan. Ano pong reason kung bakit ang lahat ng naging pinaka-Head ng INC ay galing sa pamilyang Manalo? Wala po bang ibang worthy na tao outside of the Manalo lineage to head INC?
Before Bro Felix passed away, they held an election as to who will replace him as leader. And the minister that got the highest number of votes was Bro Erdy. Alam ko po yan dahil ang election na yan ay naging public knowledge sa mga miyembro noon ng Iglesia. Hindi po yan inilihim.
Now as to Bro Eduardo's leadership, hindi ko na po masasagot kung dumaan din po sa ganung proseso ang pagpili sa kanya bilang Leader.
Post by: Quitacet on Jul 31, 2015 at 09:19 AM
from what i hear from my cousin who's an INC member pupuntahan ka sa bahay kung di ka naka-attend ng samba. ang question ko is, do you really need to do the interview?
Yes, we call it dalaw or to the process, pagdadalaw.
Pagdadalaw is two-fold, when a member missed a service, he will be visited. If the member has problems, the officer (katiwala ng grupo, sort of like a baranggay councillor to a baranggay as reference so you will get the analogy in the hierarchy of office) will try to help the member and pray for him/her.
It is not true na sinisingil sa abuloy. Karaniwan pa nga kung ang kapatid ay may suliranin sa pera (nawalan ng trabaho, at nagipit kaya di nakadalo), kung may loob ang katiwala, nagbibigay pa sa member para makatawid.
If the member does not want to be visited, pwede naman at kung ayaw ma nya sa Iglesia, kidlat is right in posting he needs to do a written declaration that he is leaving the Church para walang sisihan sa huli na wala naman siyang ginagawang masama pero natiwalag siya.
Post by: Quitacet on Jul 31, 2015 at 09:26 AM
what if i don't want to give an explanation?
...of not attending the Church services?
there is a process for that.
1. kung talagang ayaw mo na sa INC, you can make a salaysay to say ayaw mo na.
2. kung ayaw mo magsalaysay, dadalawin ka at patuloy kang papayuhan.
3. kung matagal ka na talagang hindi sumasamba, dadalawin ka pa rin at papayuhan
4. pag after so many times na talagang ayaw mo na sumamba inspite of the advices and attempt to help you deal with problems if you have any, there will be a deliveration among local congregation's officers, and if the decision is still to give you a chance, numbers 2-3 will continue.
5. If the decision is they were convinced na talagang ayaw mo na despite the lack of a written statement and because of the time given to you, aalisin ang pangalan mo sa talaan at yung tarheta mo na pinipihit during services ay aalisin na sa pwesto nya. in short, tiwalag ka na.
If you want to return to the Church, that's what we call, pagbabalik-loob, there's also a process to that.
Post by: sovrain on Jul 31, 2015 at 10:21 AM
Post by: rochie on Jul 31, 2015 at 10:29 AM
^yun bang natiwalag ay dinadalaw din para magbalik loob? Meron din bang natiwalag na gustong bumalik pero inaayawan or hindi na tatanggapin? Just a thought lang po..
lahat po ng natiwalag na gustong magbalik loob ay tinatanggap po sa isang kundisyon na kung ano man ang naging dahilan ng pagkakatiwalag mo ay iiwan mo yun at magbabagong buhay ka na. pag natiwalag na po hindi na dinadalaw(officially) ng katiwala pero meron ako kilala na natiwalag pero dinadalaw pa din sya pero ng mga kamag-anak na nya para pagpayuhan kung ano man ang naging dahilan ng kanyang pagkakatiwalag at yun ang nagiging dahilan ng kanilang pagbabalik loob.
Post by: Quitacet on Jul 31, 2015 at 10:33 AM
^yun bang natiwalag ay dinadalaw din para magbalik loob? Meron din bang natiwalag na gustong bumalik pero inaayawan or hindi na tatanggapin? Just a thought lang po..
hindi na po dalaw technically ang tawag pag tiwalag na kundi akay na. Akay is the term used when one member invites a non-member to attend services or bible studies.
pag natiwalag pwede akayin ulit para umanib kung gusto ng aakayin.
yup, pwede bumalik if you want pero "susubukin" ulit, sa pamamagitan ng continuous pagdalo sa mga pagsamba
sa hindi balik loob na nagpapamyembro, sinusubok din sila, after maturuan ng doktrina, 6 months kang sasamba. kung ayaw mo ituloy, pwede din. walang pilitan. kusang loob, kaya nga sinusubok muna para hangga't maari maiwasan yung nagpapamember dahil lang sa ibang dahilan : may nililigawan.
mahirap itaguyod ang 6 months na pagsamba kung iba ang layunin sa paganib
Post by: Quitacet on Jul 31, 2015 at 10:35 AM
hindi na po dalaw technically ang tawag pag tiwalag na kundi akay na. Akay is the term used when one member invites a non-member to attend services or bible studies.
pag natiwalag pwede akayin ulit para umanib kung gusto ng aakayin.
yup, pwede bumalik if you want pero "susubukin" ulit, sa pamamagitan ng continuous pagdalo sa mga pagsamba. kaya against the death penalty ang INC. it believes na pwedeng magbagong buhay ang sinuman
sa hindi balik loob na nagpapamyembro, sinusubok din sila, after maturuan ng doktrina, 6 months kang sasamba. kung ayaw mo ituloy, pwede din. walang pilitan. kusang loob, kaya nga sinusubok muna para hangga't maari maiwasan yung nagpapamember dahil lang sa ibang dahilan : may nililigawan.
mahirap itaguyod ang 6 months na pagsamba kung iba ang layunin sa paganib
Post by: Cruzader1986 on Jul 31, 2015 at 11:04 AM
100 years of Blessing ba kamo?
Post by: sovrain on Jul 31, 2015 at 11:53 AM
Post by: rochie on Jul 31, 2015 at 11:58 AM
@rochie & quitacet, thanks...mahirap pala ang bumalik. Kaya ko naitanong yan, may kakilala kasi na kinakantyawan namin na di na sya makakabalik, pero malakas ang loob nya na at ipagyayabang na kaya nya makabalik. That was several years ago....pero hanggang ngayon yata e di pa rin nakabalik, may bisyo yata na di nya matangga tanggal... :)actually madali lang,ang mahirap lang talaga ay iwan yung mga gawain na pinagbabawal. para din naman yang yung mga materyal na bagay,pag gusto natin pagsisikapang makamit madaming nababago sa pamumuhay para lang makuha ang gusto.
Post by: leomarley on Jul 31, 2015 at 12:28 PM
actually madali lang,ang mahirap lang talaga ay iwan yung mga gawain na pinagbabawal. para din naman yang yung mga materyal na bagay,pag gusto natin pagsisikapang makamit madaming nababago sa pamumuhay para lang makuha ang gusto.
Just curious what are these things na pinagbabawal?
Post by: jerix on Jul 31, 2015 at 06:34 PM
Post by: tony on Jul 31, 2015 at 07:18 PM
how will they handle an INC without a Manalo at the helm, what happens to the proclamation that Manalo ang huling sugo.....?
Post by: jerix on Jul 31, 2015 at 07:50 PM
Post by: tony on Jul 31, 2015 at 07:59 PM
dumaan dn sa ganyang phase ang mga unang katoliko ng middle ages...isang phase na pinagdadaanan ng kahit anu mang samahan...
Post by: Quitacet on Aug 03, 2015 at 10:04 AM
They kept on choosing a Manalo because Felix Manalo I believe was supposed to be "a chosen by God leader." As he was chosen, then the descendants should bear that mark. The church is growing not just the doctrine maybe but because it is headed by a Manalo. I can not imagine how people of the INC would react if Eduardo Manalo will be replaced by another personality becuase he was voted out. Now, considering events, after Eduardo Manalo who do you think should they put in power, Anybody?
^^and to think that his younger brother is now openly critical of the INC....quo vadis?
how will they handle an INC without a Manalo at the helm, what happens to the proclamation that Manalo ang huling sugo.....?
FYM is huling Sugo but not the last minister. I guess if somebody (even not a Manalo) will be elected by the ministers then the Church will abide just as long as the doctrines will remain in force and enforced. The doctrine is of primary importance to the Church, and part of that doctrine is "pagpapasakop" sa Pamamahala ng Church.
Post by: tony on Aug 03, 2015 at 11:42 AM
Post by: jerix on Aug 03, 2015 at 01:05 PM
FYM is huling Sugo but not the last minister. I guess if somebody (even not a Manalo) will be elected by the ministers then the Church will abide just as long as the doctrines will remain in force and enforced. The doctrine is of primary importance to the Church, and part of that doctrine is "pagpapasakop" sa Pamamahala ng Church.
I could not imagine how the church people would accept a situation where after Eduardo Manalo another personality just like Zabala or Santiago or Santos of the Sanggunian would be placed in the helm of power while the other Manalos who are the direct descendants of the "huling sugo"are outside the Iglesia ni Cristo. I would like to think that credibility wise, these Manalo descendants commands greater influence.
Post by: Quitacet on Aug 03, 2015 at 01:07 PM
imho, if they choose another, not a Manalo to lead the INC, then the anointment will not be from God but by a council composed of men....
Not really since men are used by God to do various things for him. After Christ died, many assumed Peter became the first pope (I disagree with this) and after him until Pope Francis, di naman direktang God ang naglalagay sa pwesto ng Pope di ba? considering na the Pope is supposed to be the Vicar of Christ.
Sa INC ang Executive Minister is not Jesus' vicar naman e, kaya from the term, Minister pa din.
Post by: Quitacet on Aug 03, 2015 at 01:08 PM
I could not imagine how the church people would accept a situation where after Eduardo Manalo another personality just like Zabala or Santiago or Santos of the Sanggunian would be placed in the helm of power while the other Manalos who are the direct descendants of the "huling sugo"are outside the Iglesia ni Cristo. I would like to think that credibility wise, these Manalo descendants commands greater influence.
Yes and frankly I could not imagine such a scenario also, but we are talking of possibilities here and they are endless.
Post by: TonyC on Aug 03, 2015 at 02:19 PM
They kept on choosing a Manalo because Felix Manalo I believe was supposed to be "a chosen by God leader." As he was chosen, then the descendants should bear that mark. The church is growing not just the doctrine maybe but because it is headed by a Manalo. I can not imagine how people of the INC would react if Eduardo Manalo will be replaced by another personality becuase he was voted out. Now, considering events, after Eduardo Manalo who do you think should they put in power, Anybody?
An INC spoke person once mentioned that the INC is not a family corporation. I'd like to believe that Even without a Manalo the INC will still survive as theirs is based on teachings of the bible and not on teachings developed by Manalo. Let's hope everything turn out well for them in the coming days.
Post by: rochie on Aug 03, 2015 at 03:06 PM
An INC spoke person once mentioned that the INC is not a family corporation. I'd like to believe that Even without a Manalo the INC will still survive as theirs is based on teachings of the bible and not on teachings developed by Manalo. Let's hope everything turn out well for them in the coming days.
tama Sir Tony, at saka kung talagang Manalo lang ang dapat mamuno eh hindi sana dapat tiniwalag yung magkapatid na Angel at Marc kasi pareho silang Manalo at ministro at sila "sana" ang next in line sa pamumuno,para sa amin isa lang to sa mga pagsubok at pag-uusig na nararanasan namin sa loob ng Iglesia. naituro na sa amin noon pa na ang mga pag-uusig at pagsubok ay hindi lang manggagaling sa labas kundi maging sa loob, hindi lang namin inaasahan na manggagaling iyon sa mga Manalo, nasa doktrina naman ang paniniwala namin hindi galing sa apelyido kaya kahit sino ang mamuno basta naaayon sa doktrina walang magiging problema.
Post by: jerix on Aug 03, 2015 at 04:25 PM
I am wondering why that ground has been invoked very easily. They tagged them liars so anybody who would show support to the Ka Angel and Ka Tenny will meet the same fate as they would be charged for cohabiting with liars. The issues should have been confronted. But here's the question, What if the allegation of corruption is true? what if the Sanggunian is siphoning the finances of the INC for their own interests? Should all INC act as blind followers and just close their ears?
I adored the INC for sometime. I even allowed my daughter to be a member and supported her INC activities. Because doctrine wise, I believe even with my own logic. I had the same fate as the rebelling Manalos. I was still a kid when our entire family was kicked out because my father run in an election going against the candidate the INC decided to support. I asked why did they include me and the rest of my family, I was not even a voter.They said because we are one family. At that age my mind was rebelling.If this is true then.. GOD is cruel.
Using the same argument, if the intention of God is to designate Felix Manalo as the last 'sugo" then that spiritual and divine authority and anointment must run with the family. What your Ka Angel and Ka Tenny are saying should not be dismissed if you are true to your faith. I know a part of you brothers in the INC is also asking. You know the answer but you are afraid to face it. I believe that our conscience is our true faith. I know so many members of the INC. They cant talk but just as you... they are carrying a very heavy heart.
Post by: Quitacet on Aug 03, 2015 at 04:45 PM
Ka Angel and Ka Tenny are not children to come out with flimsy reasons. Members of the INC have been called by them just to listen and they are doing this so the church will reform. They are not i believe questioning the faith, they are just questioning how the Sanggunian is running the church. It is a question on the affairs of man and not of the affairs relative to the faith. The irony: Church people are more afraid of the "tiwalag" done by man, rather than the more divine aim of cleansing the church people who runs the church. The Sanggunian was clever and quick. They immediately removed the rebelling Manalos for their "hindi pakikiisa sa layunin."
I am wondering why that ground has been invoked very easily. They tagged them liars so anybody who would show support to the Ka Angel and Ka Tenny will meet the same fate as they would be charged for cohabiting with liars. The issues should have been confronted. But here's the question, What if the allegation of corruption is true? what if the Sanggunian is siphoning the finances of the INC for their own interests? Should all INC act as blind followers and just close their ears?
I adored the INC for sometime. I even allowed my daughter to be a member and supported her INC activities. Because doctrine wise, I believe even with my own logic. I had the same fate as the rebelling Manalos. I was still a kid when our entire family was kicked out because my father run in an election going against the candidate the INC decided to support. I asked why did they include me and the rest of my family, I was not even a voter.They said because we are one family. At that age my mind was rebelling.If this is true then.. GOD is cruel.
Using the same argument, if the intention of God is to designate Felix Manalo as the last 'sugo" then that spiritual and divine authority and anointment must run with the family. What your Ka Angel and Ka Tenny are saying should not be dismissed if you are true to your faith. I know a part of you brothers in the INC is also asking. You know the answer but you are afraid to face it. I believe that our conscience is our true faith. I know so many members of the INC. They cant talk but just as you... they are carrying a very heavy heart.
I agree with you. I for one believes that Ka Tenny and Ka Angel along with the other expelled Ministers must have some basis for putting their membership on the line because of what they believed in.
Some members are just and still waiting for proof of the allegations.
Even in a local congregation's affairs, the INC is strict in one member labelling another with an accusation that can not be supported by proof and evidences.
Example: If I spread my allegation that one particular member is engaged, say in adulterous relationship, with another member (or even if the person is not a member), I have to back my allegations with proof, otherwise I will be guilty of paghahatid-dumapit or tsismis in the modern parlance which is an evil act in the Church.
If the evidences come out, rest assured that many members will rally for the truth.
The other thing that made the case of Ka Angel and Ka Tenny is that of their "Hostage" and "Help us" pleas that turned out to be false. They were hoping that the brethren will rally behind them especially Ka Tenny who turned out not to be in the house purportedly where they were being held hostage. The "weak" alibi of a child or children who did the signs of "hostage kami, etc" is so unbelievable that they lost some credibility there.
Post by: ricky on Aug 03, 2015 at 05:00 PM
Now with the allegations that have been cast against certain individuals, whether its true or not, they should have come to their senses and if they are really an IGLESIA NI CRISTO should have step down from their positions muna. Sana wag nila ilagay sa alanganing puwesto ang tagapamahala. Sana umiral pa din ang delikadeza.
Ako'y Iglesia Ni Cristo more than anything else.
Post by: devlin_waugh on Aug 03, 2015 at 06:28 PM
It is a sensitive issue that should have not been brought out publicly that hastely without them talking first to ka Eduardo. Ka Angel should have known better.
Secrecy and confidentiality only lets corruption fester, transparency and accountability disinfects and even enables a corruption-intolerant organization
Post by: tony on Aug 03, 2015 at 07:20 PM
people will see, people will know, finally people will talk....
Pilpino pa....;)
Post by: rochie on Aug 03, 2015 at 07:40 PM
Post by: jerix on Aug 03, 2015 at 07:51 PM
I condole with all the members of the INC. Most of them may have been seeing the truth in the situation but they are hard pressed to side. I see the INC before as infallible and it was beyond my imagination the situation that it is suffering because it is owned by Christ.
Be that as it may, I see by faith the spiritual authority of the Manalos more supreme than the administrative authority of the Sanggunian. I believe that the latter members are the evil that undermines the intentions of the church. Dapat manindigan ang mga INC and expel these evil that wreaks havoc over the church.
Post by: tony on Aug 03, 2015 at 07:55 PM
actually I'm excited to see the evidence of the alleged corruption.
the alleged corruption is the lifestyle of the men in the council and their wives....
come to think about it, ano nga naman ang gagawin sa limpak-limpak na salapi...
it they can afford it naman....
Post by: jerix on Aug 03, 2015 at 07:59 PM
Ako'y Iglesia Ni Cristo more than anything else.
Keep it up - it is not the faith that is put on scrutiny.
Post by: tony on Aug 03, 2015 at 08:00 PM
Keep it up - it is not the faith that is put on scrutiny.
yes, it is not the faith that is on trial here(by public opinon)...it is the men at the helm....
after all tao lang din naman silang lahat....
Post by: ricky on Aug 03, 2015 at 09:07 PM
Post by: Quitacet on Aug 04, 2015 at 08:29 AM
The problem I see is the silence of Ka Eduardo. He can no longer be reached as Ka Angel is saying. But why? It brings to mind the possibility that he is also held hostage by the Sanggunian. He should be heard by the entire INC on the issue but he is not verbally talking. There is also no evidence so far about what Ka Angel is saying. But if he is free, why can he not go outside the perimeters of the INC. Akala ko tiwalag na siya at hindi na Iglesia? it is on these situation when logic tries to wrestle with the claimed truth as advertised. Logic dictates the truth in the absence of an acceptable evidence and proof. The statement of the elder Menorca also brought more questions and have been further muddled by the counter statement by the younger Menorca.
I condole with all the members of the INC. Most of them may have been seeing the truth in the situation but they are hard pressed to side. I see the INC before as infallible and it was beyond my imagination the situation that it is suffering because it is owned by Christ.
Be that as it may, I see by faith the spiritual authority of the Manalos more supreme than the administrative authority of the Sanggunian. I believe that the latter members are the evil that undermines the intentions of the church. Dapat manindigan ang mga INC and expel these evil that wreaks havoc over the church.
Actually Ka Angel is free to go outside if he wants to. The problem is that there is nowhere to go to.
The Manalo's do not have under their names properties of the Iglesia contrary to what people would like to believe. Their house might be the singular place they can reside, which following INC's standards will still be under the property of the Church. Buti nga di sila pinapaalis dun considering na tiwalag na sila.
We have a tanging pagtitipon tonight, and Ka Eduardo will address the congregation via Video conferencing link to various local chapels. It is also said that the nest series of pagsamba will dwell on answering the allegations on corruption.
Post by: pTrader on Aug 04, 2015 at 12:52 PM
Actually Ka Angel is free to go outside if he wants to. The problem is that there is nowhere to go to.
The Manalo's do not have under their names properties of the Iglesia contrary to what people would like to believe. Their house might be the singular place they can reside, which following INC's standards will still be under the property of the Church. Buti nga di sila pinapaalis dun considering na tiwalag na sila.
We have a tanging pagtitipon tonight, and Ka Eduardo will address the congregation via Video conferencing link to various local chapels. It is also said that the nest series of pagsamba will dwell on answering the allegations on corruption.
Looking at this issue, and in light with the early church, how did the apostles resolve this kind of case?
Post by: GIJoe on Aug 05, 2015 at 07:01 PM
http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/investigative/100445-iglesia-leaders-billions-pesos-aircraft (http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/investigative/100445-iglesia-leaders-billions-pesos-aircraft)
Post by: jerix on Aug 06, 2015 at 07:38 AM
Post by: praktikal on Aug 06, 2015 at 07:46 AM
I dont see any problem with the INC using aircraft in going around the world. It is a problem when in using those facilities the cost or expenses are bloated and amount of money are stashed to away by those few in the organization.+1
Post by: tony on Aug 06, 2015 at 08:16 AM
what are we in power for?
Post by: jerix on Aug 06, 2015 at 08:37 AM
The Manalo's do not have under their names properties of the Iglesia contrary to what people would like to believe. Their house might be the singular place they can reside, which following INC's standards will still be under the property of the Church. Buti nga di sila pinapaalis dun considering na tiwalag na sila.
This is one reason why I admire the INC. Walang anumang property ang pag-aari ng mga Manalo. Di sila personally nagpayaman, They can use the facilities but they dont own it. So kaawa-awa talaga ang kapalaran ng mag-iina na natiwalag kasi yun nga, wala silang pupuntahan. They knew where they stand in the first place and that they could go nowhere. Their coming out to divulge issues is not easy because they will be clashing with the more powerful Sanggunian but they did it maybe because of some insuperable cause.
Post by: pTrader on Aug 06, 2015 at 11:21 AM
This is one reason why I admire the INC. Walang anumang property ang pag-aari ng mga Manalo. Di sila personally nagpayaman, They can use the facilities but they dont own it. So kaawa-awa talaga ang kapalaran ng mag-iina na natiwalag kasi yun nga, wala silang pupuntahan. They knew where they stand in the first place and that they could go nowhere. Their coming out to divulge issues is not easy because they will be clashing with the more powerful Sanggunian but they did it maybe because of some insuperable cause.
sensya na ha.. pero wala sialng Accountabilities, yan ba yung masasabi dito?
Post by: jerix on Aug 06, 2015 at 02:59 PM
sensya na ha.. pero wala sialng Accountabilities, yan ba yung masasabi dito?Care to explain bro on what you mean on "accountabilities" - thanks
Post by: pTrader on Aug 06, 2015 at 03:04 PM
Care to explain bro on what you mean on "accountabilities" - thanks
Walang anumang property ang pag-aari ng mga Manalo
kung wala silang properties then walang ownership.. walang ownership walang accountabilities.
Post by: jerix on Aug 06, 2015 at 03:09 PM
Post by: pTrader on Aug 06, 2015 at 03:12 PM
Yup - correct this is what I also have heard. Wala silang pag-aari na separate na galing sa INC as a special privilege being the descendant of Felix Manalo, the founder of the INC, maliban sa kanilang napundar that comes from their compensation as employees of the INC na kagaya din ng ibang mga ministro at workers.
Kung Corporate ownership ata yung sinasabe mo may ownersip pa rin...
Post by: jerix on Aug 06, 2015 at 03:27 PM
Post by: barrister on Aug 06, 2015 at 04:36 PM
I dont see any problem with the INC using aircraft in going around the world. It is a problem when in using those facilities the cost or expenses are bloated and amount of money are stashed away by those few in the organization.
Tama yan. Bumili o nag lease lang ng plane, hindi puwedeng corruption na agad.
Pero very likely na nagkaroon ng tongpats yan sa releasing ng bayad. Yan dapat ang tutok ng auditing, hanap ka ng padding sa payments/expenses.
Pero so far, walang ganong ebidensiya, kaya haka-haka lang yon. Hindi puwedeng press release agad si Angel na may corruption kung wala naman siyang maipakitang evidence.
Post by: devlin_waugh on Aug 06, 2015 at 06:17 PM
INC also has a chapter there:
http://theiglesianicristo.blogspot.com/2014/05/inc-directory-cayman-islands.html
The Caymans is a known haven for tax evasion, illicit flows, and stolen wealth
Post by: rulesmeister on Aug 07, 2015 at 07:38 AM
Overkill na masyado ung Airbus A330, pang mass transport na yan, gamit ng mga malalaking passenger Airliners. If you're an average member na nagco-commute lang using tricycle, jeepney, padyak, kuliglig etc going to your church, you would cry foul if a few of those in the higher positions is using a very huge private plane in their travels. Would you think na pagdating nila sa US or saan mang bansa they would just settle for a boarding house or a motel given sa excesses nila in travelling? Chances are nasa mga 5-star hotels ung accommodation nila and also they would dine on high-end restaurants and driven in a limo.
I work in a multinational company and we have several production sites outside the Philippines (Belgium, Japan, US, Malaysia, China, Vietnam, Czech Republic), the CEO & some personalities has to travel regularly to all these places but he only uses a passenger airliner since wala namang private plane ung company namin although we are a multi-billion dollar company.
Post by: devlin_waugh on Aug 07, 2015 at 11:54 AM
Post by: pTrader on Aug 07, 2015 at 12:45 PM
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Overkill na masyado ung Airbus A330, pang mass transport na yan, gamit ng mga malalaking passenger Airliners. If you're an average member na nagco-commute lang using tricycle, jeepney, padyak, kuliglig etc going to your church, you would cry foul if a few of those in the higher positions is using a very huge private plane in their travels. Would you think na pagdating nila sa US or saan mang bansa they would just settle for a boarding house or a motel given sa excesses nila in travelling? Chances are nasa mga 5-star hotels ung accommodation nila and also they would dine on high-end restaurants and driven in a limo.
I work in a multinational company and we have several production sites outside the Philippines (Belgium, Japan, US, Malaysia, China, Vietnam, Czech Republic), the CEO & some personalities has to travel regularly to all these places but he only uses a passenger airliner since wala namang private plane ung company namin although we are a multi-billion dollar company.
ibig sabihin yung mga lagak dito lang napupunta?
Post by: rulesmeister on Aug 07, 2015 at 09:53 PM
ibig sabihin yung mga lagak dito lang napupunta?Ganun na nga, they have an Airbus A330 (~$230M) & a Boeing 737 (~$80M) thats close to P14 billion for the price of both aircraft units. Add fuel, maintenance cost and the entire cost of ownership.
I dont think its an issue, after all that's their (INC) money anyway, it will only become an issue if these excesses are kept in secrecy from the majority of the INC members or if someone from their group cries foul and immediately gets booted out just for disagreeing.
Post by: jerix on Aug 08, 2015 at 07:45 AM
Post by: tony on Aug 08, 2015 at 10:41 AM
Its actually martial law inside the INC justified by a certain doctrine that he whoever will not submit will be cut off just like the drying branch of a tree. This make sense biblically. But the problem is when those who are swerving are those who are in power and the implementors themselves. As members would not like to be cut off and eventually ex communicated they are forced to swallow what is fed. I feel that there is actually a rebellion going on in the heart and mind of the INCs. But knowing their discipline, their collective implosion holds up to now. However, very obvious effect of this rebellion is the reported decrease of the "abuloys" in the hundreds of thousands in many localities, as reported. Without the issues cleared, I believe it is really just a matter of time.
dangerous doctrine.....without grievance mechanisms in place,
any organization will tend to explode.....
this was how more than 700 people ended up murdered in Guyana...
at the hands of cult leader Jim Jones....
the leaders in any church are not saints, tao rin lang sila subject to human frailties....
if i were in their place, i could have built schools and hospitals and housing for poor members instead...
but then i would not know what ideas my wife will have....she even might have relatives..
church members are people too, endowed by God with a free will and a spirit yearning to be free...
with conscience...there is a fine line with becoming a member and a freemen....
Post by: rulesmeister on Aug 08, 2015 at 11:09 AM
Its actually martial law inside the INC justified by a certain doctrine that he whoever will not submit will be cut off just like the drying branch of a tree. This make sense biblically. But the problem is when those who are swerving are those who are in power and the implementors themselves. As members would not like to be cut off and eventually ex communicated they are forced to swallow what is fed. I feel that there is actually a rebellion going on in the heart and mind of the INCs. But knowing their discipline, their collective implosion holds up to now. However, very obvious effect of this rebellion is the reported decrease of the "abuloys" in the hundreds of thousands in many localities, as reported. Without the issues cleared, I believe it is really just a matter of time.Unfair naman itong "martial law" Sir. So the only way (for them) to enter heaven in the afterlife is to keep their mouth shut and ignore that a few people in the higher positions had all these fancy high-end material things while the majority had to make do with whatever small income they had and still provide "abuloys" to maintain the lifestyle of their superiors. After all, these few people hold the key to their "salvation".
Honestly, I do feel for the average members since ung Ate ko nasa INC din. I guess this the main reason why Anthony Taberna chose to be silent despite magnitude of the issue. Yet his comments are combative and explosive on many issues that are far way lesser than what their church is currently facing.
Post by: jerix on Aug 08, 2015 at 05:26 PM
Post by: dpogs on Aug 08, 2015 at 08:28 PM
Post by: panzimus on Aug 09, 2015 at 01:17 AM
Post by: tony on Aug 09, 2015 at 07:37 AM
Why won't democracy works sa isang simbahan?
as far as doctrine is concerned, there is no democracy there, either you are in or you are out....
but in other matters, they can be discussed and agreed upon...
but if doctrines are used to impose minority will on what the majority of the members
percieve as excessive, then me problema...
Post by: panzimus on Aug 10, 2015 at 12:58 AM
as far as doctrine is concerned, there is no democracy there, either you are in or you are out....
but in other matters, they can be discussed and agreed upon...
but if doctrines are used to impose minority will on what the majority of the members
percieve as excessive, then me problema...
Agree. Di pa din naman talaga total lack of democracy.
Post by: Quitacet on Aug 10, 2015 at 09:49 AM
dangerous doctrine.....without grievance mechanisms in place,
any organization will tend to explode.....
this was how more than 700 people ended up murdered in Guyana...
at the hands of cult leader Jim Jones....
the leaders in any church are not saints, tao rin lang sila subject to human frailties....
if i were in their place, i could have built schools and hospitals and housing for poor members instead...
but then i would not know what ideas my wife will have....she even might have relatives..
church members are people too, endowed by God with a free will and a spirit yearning to be free...
with conscience...there is a fine line with becoming a member and a freemen....
There is a grievance mechanism in the INC.
From the top to the bottom (local congregation level).
Without this, we'd either be suing each other or killing each other.
But for a grievance to be heard, you must present evidences otherwise it is just paninirang puri.
Post by: RU9 on Aug 27, 2015 at 10:28 PM
Post by: tony on Aug 28, 2015 at 06:51 AM
What is the end game of the mob rule in the DOJ today?
you mean those thugs?
strange, but INC member are supposed to be employees of choice,
they do not form labor unions and join strikes.....
showing true colors?
Post by: bumblebee on Aug 28, 2015 at 06:54 AM
There is a grievance mechanism in the INC.
From the top to the bottom (local congregation level).
Without this, we'd either be suing each other or killing each other.
But for a grievance to be heard, you must present evidences otherwise it is just paninirang puri.
I understand that there is a criminal complaint already. Would you agree the government should step in?
Post by: jerix on Aug 28, 2015 at 08:00 AM
The rallyist ahave been saying, Huwag makialam sa usaping pang panloob ng Iglesia. But a criminal case is not something internal to the church. rather it is one against the state. I believe, the rebellion of the group Angel Tenny , Samson and the others is not against the church but against the Sanggunian. So church members should not regard this as paglaban sa INC..
Post by: dpogs on Aug 28, 2015 at 08:58 AM
http://radyo.inquirer.net/7227/coffee-shop-ng-brodkaster-na-si-anthony-taberna-pinaulanan-ng-bala-2
Warning shots :)
"Subukan mong magsalita laban sa amin." - maaaring ganito ang motibo ng pamamaril
Post by: Quitacet on Aug 28, 2015 at 10:06 AM
I understand that there is a criminal complaint already. Would you agree the government should step in?
Yes. I for one will not be going to the DOJ.
Post by: Quitacet on Aug 28, 2015 at 10:07 AM
According to the Sanggunian any aggrieved party should just file a case so they can answer the allegations squarely. Now a case was filed, what are they complaining about now? If the Sangguniang does not have something to hide, why should they have to question what the DOJ is doing? They should even appreciate what De Lima is doing because that would expedite the resolution of the case, di ba?
The rallyist ahave been saying, Huwag makialam sa usaping pang panloob ng Iglesia. But a criminal case is not something internal to the church. rather it is one against the state. I believe, the rebellion of the group Angel Tenny , Samson and the others is not against the church but against the Sanggunian. So church members should not regard this as paglaban sa INC..
And since Ka Isaias Samson is already expelled, it is not an internal matter anymore. He (not a member already) filed cases against INC officials. It's a court matter now. It should be
Post by: tony on Aug 28, 2015 at 11:39 AM
Post by: tony on Aug 28, 2015 at 11:40 AM
Warning shots :)
"Subukan mong magsalita laban sa amin." - maaaring ganito ang motibo ng pamamaril
anthony taberna is an INC member, no need to harass him...
Post by: tony on Aug 28, 2015 at 11:41 AM
Yes. I for one will not be going to the DOJ.
good man yourself....what is happening has nothing to do with your church any more,
but the people in your church, glad you see the distinction....shows that you have the gift of discernment....
and believe you me....those people in your church, they will all pass away someday,
but your church will remain standing....stronger than ever....
Post by: pTrader on Aug 28, 2015 at 11:52 AM
And since Ka Isaias Samson is already expelled, it is not an internal matter anymore. He (not a member already) filed cases against INC officials. It's a court matter now. It should be
Additional:
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De Lima: I’m just doing my job
MANILA, Philippines - More than 1,000 members of the Iglesia ni Cristo (INC) trooped yesterday to the Department of Justice in Manila to hold what some of them called a “silent protest” against Secretary Leila de Lima after the DOJ started investigating the alleged forced detention of expelled church members.
The demonstration of INC members coincided with De Lima’s 56th birthday yesterday.
“Makiki-birthday lang po kami dito,” said two women interviewed by The STAR. They refused to give their names, saying they were only told to go to the DOJ.
De Lima had earlier said the DOJ would conduct an investigation into the alleged kidnapping of INC ministers who were expelled by the church council or Sanggunian.
The INC members assembled at the DOJ to protest the supposed unfair treatment of De Lima over the charges of harassment, illegal detention, threats and coercion filed by expelled minister Isaias Samson Jr. and his family against leaders of the church.
INC officials have questioned the “extraordinary attention” given by De Lima to the complaint of Samson, saying she has not given the same attention to the case against Moro Islamic Liberation Front rebels for the killing of 44 police Special Action Force (SAF) members in an encounter in Mamasapano, Maguindanao last January.
When asked to respond, De Lima said she was just doing her job.
Members of the INC also blocked De Lima’s vehicle from going out of the DOJ compound.
source: http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2015/08/28/1493098/iglesia-surrounds-doj
Kahiya-hiya naman ito nag rarally ang INC at may “extraordinary attention” pang nalalaman. Hello, regardless kung anong kaso, dapat bigyan pansin yan ng DOJ.
Kung INC nga sila sa hukuman na magpalitan ng paliwanag at ebidensya.
Since pumupukaw sila ng attention baka mauwe din ito sa Senate Hearing.
Kahit pa may separation ng Church and State, ang State pa rin ay may kakayahang pangalagaan yung kanyang mamamayan.
Any unconstitutional practices na isang Church dapat mag-intervine ang Government.
Post by: pTrader on Aug 28, 2015 at 12:02 PM
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The rallyist ahave been saying, Huwag makialam sa usaping pang panloob ng Iglesia.
Regardless kung pangloob at panlabas yan, kailangan ipatupad ng Gobyerno ang karapatan ng bawat mamamayan.
Reminder lang po:
- 1Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
Post by: tony on Aug 28, 2015 at 12:03 PM
Post by: kidlat08 on Aug 28, 2015 at 12:25 PM
Post by: pTrader on Aug 28, 2015 at 12:48 PM
I also dont understand this move. I am member, but i will not go to DOJ to protest. As sir Quintacet mentioned, Mr. Samson is no longer an INC member, so it's not an internal matter anymore. Para sa kin, dapat lang na maparusahan kung sinuman itong mga tao na nagsagawa ng illegal detention, kung meron talagang illegal detention na nangyari.
exactly, at saka ayaw ba nilang malaman yung katotohanan para sa ikakabuti ng INC as a whole?
Post by: yygoob on Aug 28, 2015 at 12:53 PM
Post by: sirhc on Aug 28, 2015 at 12:58 PM
P.S. INC Members chanted "Hindi kami nang-gugulo, Kayo Nang-gugulo" or to the same effect, all while creating disruption of traffic flow and work on Ermita, Manila. Irony of the day.
Quote from: Isias Samson Jr
“They fail to see that they aren’t demanding justice, they are demanding special privileges. Particularly since their demand is made even before any investigation has commenced,” the statement read.
Post by: dodie on Aug 28, 2015 at 01:22 PM
Nilinaw sa abiso na walang dapat sisigaw na ‘ibagsak ang gobyerno’.
- See more at: http://radyo.inquirer.net/7261/protesta-ng-inc-magtutuloy-tuloy-hanggang-sa-edsa-tatagal-hanggan-lunes#sthash.taUcllzl.dpufo
i find it odd that there are marching orders from inc leadership na magrally ang mga kasapi nito at para ipaglaban ang seperation of church and state tapos may side issue ng PCOS at DAP! nakakatawa na! parang malapit na akong maniwala na ang mga pinuno nila ang talagang may problema. i hope na masulusyunan ng higit na nakakaraming INC ang gawain ng kanilang mga lider dahil bka ito pa ang maging dahilan ng kanilang pagkakawatakwatak sa huli.....
Post by: rochie on Aug 28, 2015 at 02:13 PM
https://www.facebook.com/SONNYBRAVOH/posts/932216236816869
Post by: sirhc on Aug 28, 2015 at 02:31 PM
Plus, matter is also is out of the hands of the DOJ, but will fall on the hands of the Judiciary. Why the need for a "show of force"?
And ang pinaka-off sakin, why the need to drag the SAF 44 issue into this? Given that they already have lapses in handling that case, so their lapses in the SAF 44 case is enough justification for DOJ to also have a lapse on the Samson case?
Lets just be honest, facing INC, which Sangunian is clearly a representation of, on court is not an easy task. That Samson guy really needs the help he can get if indeed he has a case against the Sangunian. Sa tingin mo ba unfounded yung pag hingi niya ng tulong sa DOJ?
Post by: pTrader on Aug 28, 2015 at 03:33 PM
ito namang si chiz nakikisawsaw pa..gusto siguro makuha indorsement nang INC....tama ba namnag sabihing magkocentrate na lang ang DOJ sa Mamasapano at irespeto and separation ng church at state para namang hindi sya atty!!!
separation ba ika mo? bakit nangingialam ang INC leader sa trabaho ng DOJ?
Post by: krets pulpol on Aug 28, 2015 at 04:18 PM
Post by: tony on Aug 28, 2015 at 04:42 PM
Post by: yygoob on Aug 28, 2015 at 05:03 PM
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/717174/binay-defends-iglesia-ni-cristo-chides-aquino-govt
Post by: pTrader on Aug 28, 2015 at 05:32 PM
source:https://viewpointsandangles.wordpress.com/2015/08/19/icymi-international-televangelist-bro-eli-soriano-declares-support-for-doj-secretary-leila-de-lima/
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Post by: tony on Aug 28, 2015 at 05:40 PM
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Aug 28, 2015 at 05:52 PM
pati ba naman Bro Eli
source:https://viewpointsandangles.wordpress.com/2015/08/19/icymi-international-televangelist-bro-eli-soriano-declares-support-for-doj-secretary-leila-de-lima/
(https://viewpointsandangles.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/img_1460-0.png)
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Post by: sirhc on Aug 28, 2015 at 06:10 PM
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Haha. ADD is also pushing for De Lima's senatorial run come 2016!
Post by: ricky on Aug 28, 2015 at 06:22 PM
Pati yata sa edsa shrine nag rally na din????
Walang impossible sa mataimtim na panalangin di ba.
Post by: ricky on Aug 28, 2015 at 06:27 PM
Post by: jerix on Aug 28, 2015 at 06:48 PM
Post by: istan on Aug 28, 2015 at 06:49 PM
Post by: ricky on Aug 28, 2015 at 07:00 PM
Post by: pTrader on Aug 28, 2015 at 07:13 PM
Hindi ko alam bakit nag rally. Hindi naman INC ang kainakasuhan kung hindi ang sanggunian. Kung may ginawa sila hindi maganda at against the law then dapat nila harapin ito. Hindi ako makiki rally . Again Iglesia ako ni Crist at hindi ni manalo nor ng sanggunian.
Pati yata sa edsa shrine nag rally na din????
Walang impossible sa mataimtim na panalangin di ba.
maganda kung kagaya mong mag-isip yung iba.
Ano ba ang dahilan ng pagsama ng ibang member sa rally?
Post by: istan on Aug 28, 2015 at 07:14 PM
Post by: dpogs on Aug 28, 2015 at 07:24 PM
Post by: ricky on Aug 28, 2015 at 07:25 PM
maganda kung kagaya mong mag-isip yung iba.
Ano ba ang dahilan ng pagsama ng ibang member sa rally?
Walang magawa, to meet new friends???? Hahaha
Post by: jerix on Aug 28, 2015 at 07:27 PM
Ano ba ang dahilan ng pagsama ng ibang member sa rally?
They dont understand the issue. Alam lang nila pinakikialaman daw ng istado ang internal na gusot ng Iglesia. Ganito sila mag-isip dahil ito ang isinisiksik ng Sanggunian sa mga utak nila.
Post by: tony on Aug 28, 2015 at 07:37 PM
I see the hands of the Sanggunian in this mob. Sila ang gumagawa ng ikasisira ng Iglesia. Sayang ang napundar na credibility ng church.
ganyan din ang katoliko ng mga panahon ng medieval era...
lahat ng kumalaban sa santo papa, pugot ulo...
this could very well be the medieval era for the INC....
Post by: pTrader on Aug 28, 2015 at 07:51 PM
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MANILA, Philippines, August 28, 4:42 PM (Eagle News) — Many of the Iglesia Ni Cristo members, who continued with their protests in front of Department of Justice (DOJ) and nearby areas for the second day may not have had enough rest, but they remained full of spirit as they stayed on to rally along Padre Faura Street.
The crowd continued to air their grievances on the issue, demanding that the DOJ respect the constitutional provision on the Separation of Church and State.
The assemblers chanted “INC! UNITY!” to show that despite all the issues arising, the church is still SOLID in their faith and fully behind the Church Administration led by INC Executive Minister Eduardo V. Manalo.
Kababasa ko lang sa EagleNews..
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The crowd continued to air their grievances on the issue, demanding that the DOJ respect the constitutional provision on the Separation of Church and State.
Inde ba si Samson ay taga-sanlibutan na ngayon kasi tiniwalag siya.
Wala kasing connect yung separation ng Church and State eh.
Una inde naman pinaki-alaman ng State yung pagkakatiwalag ni Samson.
Pangalawa, Si Samson ay taga-sanglibutan na ngayon and exercising Constitutional rights. Ang DOJ ginagawa yung part ng State.
Kung separation of Church and State, ni rerespeto ba ng pamunuan ng INC ang action to exercise due process of law?
Post by: krets pulpol on Aug 28, 2015 at 08:44 PM
This is to show how "unified" they are and a force to be reckoned with.
Post by: praktikal on Aug 28, 2015 at 08:54 PM
They dont understand the issue. Alam lang nila pinakikialaman daw ng istado ang internal na gusot ng Iglesia. Ganito sila mag-isip dahil ito ang isinisiksik ng Sanggunian sa mga utak nila.
pwede ba maihalintulad ito sa mga nagrarally din na hakot ng mga pulitiko?
Post by: jerix on Aug 28, 2015 at 10:13 PM
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Post by: dodie on Aug 28, 2015 at 11:28 PM
ganyan din ang katoliko ng mga panahon ng medieval era...
lahat ng kumalaban sa santo papa, pugot ulo...
this could very well be the medieval era for the INC....
wala pa kasing seperation of church and state during those times.. ;D ;D ;D ;D
master if indeed you thought that this is the medieval era for the INC, do you think that their leaders have medieval minds too?
kung bible based ang pangaral ng iglesia at sila ay naniniwalang tunay kay kristo dapat isinasapuso ang mga aral ni kristo....
THE EIGHT BEATITUDES
3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called children of God.
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
.......at hindi papayagan ng tunay na iglesia na sila ay gamitin ng sanggunian para sa kanilang pansariling kapakinabangan lamang....
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Post by: tenderfender on Aug 29, 2015 at 12:00 AM
INC Sanggunian = hail H.Y.D.R.A.!
Post by: krets pulpol on Aug 29, 2015 at 12:10 AM
From this alone, I don't see if there's a cause or reason wherein a religion has something to do with their actions. Two words, mob rule.
Sablay din ang comments ni Grace Poe. Halatang walang pinagkaiba sa mga seguristang pulitiko. Sumasakay na lang para sa pansariling agenda. Where is her objectivity?
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Post by: ricky on Aug 29, 2015 at 06:52 AM
Pag may personal interest talaga , iba na ang usapan. Hindi na sa kabutihan ng nakakarami pero sa kabutihan na ng kakauinti
Bro dodie salamat sa post, atleast ako I try hard to follow it kahit napakahirap sa panahong ito na kanya kanya na. Imbes na aminin pagkakamali ay nangangatwiran pa.
Post by: tony on Aug 29, 2015 at 07:56 AM
wala pa kasing seperation of church and state during those times.. ;D ;D ;D ;D
master if indeed you thought that this is the medieval era for the INC, do you think that their leaders have medieval minds too?
kung bible based ang pangaral ng iglesia at sila ay naniniwalang tunay kay kristo dapat isinasapuso ang mga aral ni kristo....
THE EIGHT BEATITUDES
3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called children of God.
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
.......at hindi papayagan ng tunay na iglesia na sila ay gamitin ng sanggunian para sa kanilang pansariling kapakinabangan lamang....
ang turo sa akin ng simbahan, pag sinampal ka sa kanang pisngi, ibibay mo ang kaliwang psingi...
pag pinagbuhat ka ng isang kilometro, gawin mong dalawa....
ang tanging na sa isip ng mga pinuno ng INC, makapangyarihan sila, hawak nla ang
maraming miyembro ng NBI, pulis at militar, sino itong si de Lima? isang bala lang yan...
ganyan ang takbno ng utak nila.....sadly ang mga kasapi ay tila baga mga maamong
tupa na handang sumunod sa udyok ng mga namumuno.....
sa ganyang paraan nasawi ang mga kasapi ng kulto ni Jim Jones sa Guyana...
hindi nag-iisip, walang discernment, at pinangunahan ng takot....
eto ang paborito kong mensahe sa bible:
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13. I may be able to speak in the languages of men or even of angels, but if i do not have love, my speech is only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
Post by: jerix on Aug 29, 2015 at 08:07 AM
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Post by: tony on Aug 29, 2015 at 10:08 AM
they have the firepower kaya malakas ang loob nila....
@Ricky, gaano ba kabigat ang "matiwalag?"
sa amin RC wala na akong nababalitaan na excomunicate, pahahon lang ni Rizal meron,
ng dumating ang mga Amerikano nawalan ng political power ang RC, nawala na rin ang excommunication...
yung bayaw ko me karelasyong babaeng member ng Iglesia
Post by: dpogs on Aug 29, 2015 at 10:15 AM
Post by: Ice Storm on Aug 29, 2015 at 10:16 AM
They are just practicing their freedom of religion.
Remember, respect!
Post by: tony on Aug 29, 2015 at 10:18 AM
Kapag natiwalag kasi, hindi na pupunta ng langit.
bakit? me nakarating na ba sa langit ang nakapagpatunay?
faith lang naman ang lahat....
Post by: tony on Aug 29, 2015 at 10:19 AM
Respect their belief.
They are just practicing their freedom of religion.
Remember, respect!
yes agreed, respect is based on the truth....what is the truth?
respect is never imposed, it only lost or earned...
the freedom of religion is guaranteed by our constitution, but so is rule of law....
if you live in the philippines you follow philippine laws, simple as that...
Post by: dpogs on Aug 29, 2015 at 10:21 AM
bakit? me nakarating na ba sa langit ang nakapagpatunay?
faith lang naman ang lahat....
Kya ganoon kabigat ang matiwalag sa inc, parang rc noon, tatakutin ka na kapag di ka na miyembro o kaanib sa impiyerno mapupunta ka.
Post by: tony on Aug 29, 2015 at 10:22 AM
Kya ganoon kabigat ang matiwalag sa inc, parang rc noon, tatakutin ka na kapag di ka na miyembro o kaanib sa impiyerno mapupunta ka.
mga taong madilim ang utak....wala ng lugar ang ganyang mga kaisipan sa makabagong panahon, information travels fast....
Post by: dpogs on Aug 29, 2015 at 10:25 AM
mga taong madilim ang utak....wala ng lugar ang ganyang mga kaisipan sa makabagong panahon, information travels fast....
Mga INC, ganyan pa rin magisip.
Post by: tony on Aug 29, 2015 at 10:31 AM
bakit puro makamundo pa rin ang tinitignan nila?
si Jose Rizal, nabasa nya ang bible from cover to cover,
and yet nagsulat sya ng dalawang novela na ikinagalit ng simbahang RC,
hindi niya inalintana na pwede syang maging excomunicated...
nagsabi sya ng totoong pangyayari na naganap sa panahon nya...
bukas kasi ang mata ni Rizal sa kabuktutan ng mga kaparian noong mga panahon na yon...
magpudar tayo ng mga yaman sa langit, hindi sa lupa kung saan pwedeng anayin at kalawangin...
Post by: jerix on Aug 29, 2015 at 10:35 AM
Mga INC, ganyan pa rin magisip.
There are members that are thinking progressively. These are those who can recognize matters pertaining to God and matters pertaining to man.
Post by: rochie on Aug 29, 2015 at 10:38 AM
nung nagkaroon ng problema dahil tiniwalag yung mag-iina at biglang nagparatang yung isa na iligal daw syang nadetain,biglang nakakuha ng pagkakataon yung mga dilaw para magkaroon ng alas bilang pamalit sa darating na 2016. syempre inutusan yung pang 5 sa grupo ng mga dilaw na "imbistigahan".
nung itiniwalag na din yung nagsasabing na "house arrest" daw sya, naisip na eto na ang pagkakataon para merong piyon na gagamitin sa chess game. ang game play? suportahan ka namin sa kaso mo para mapilitang makipag-areglo yung kabila kapalit ang "2016" :D :D :D.
kung ako ay isang tao na nag-aambisyong maging pulitiko babanggain ko ba yung isang grupo na alam kong malaki ang tsansa na mailuklok ako sa senado? syempre hindi, pwera lang kung inutusan ako. pero paano nga pala ako magiging senadora kung hindi nila ako isasama sa line up pag hindi ako sumunod sa mga pinag-uutos? :D :D: D
kaso ang siste hindi pumayag yung isang panig sa gustong laro ng mga dilaw na palitan ng "piyesa" kaya eto na napurnada na. napasubo na yung pang five,sakto pa naman eh nagpahayag na pagkatapos ng J ay sa S naman daw sya.
eto ngayon, sinasamantala na nung mga itim ang sitwasyon,syempre kailangang kampihan para makuha ang 2016.
sayang akala nung mga dilaw gagana yung pain nila,pero hindi kumagat kaya eto ngayon sasamantalahin na nung itim ang sitwasyon hehehehehe. ang ending? pag naisipan ni ERAP na kumandidato humanda tayo hahahaha. wag nating kalilimutan na nung nakaraan, kung hindi yung dilaw ang binoto ng kabila eh malamang hindi Mayor si Erap ngayon ng Maynila.
Post by: skoivan on Aug 29, 2015 at 10:39 AM
Respect their belief.I respect their freedom of religion, but that is not the issue here.
They are just practicing their freedom of religion.
Remember, respect!
Ang issue dito ay yung pamemerwisyo na ginawa nila sa taong-bayan... sa kapwa pilipino nila. Hindi relihiyon ang pinag-uusapan dito. Pwede naman nilang i-exercise ang freedom of religion nila sa Philippine Arena kung saan hindi sila nakakabara ng daan ng kanilang mga kababayan na pagod sa trabaho at gusto nang magpahinga.
Post by: praktikal on Aug 29, 2015 at 10:40 AM
magpundar tayo ng mga yaman sa langit, hindi sa lupa kung saan pwedeng anayin at kalawangin...
sabi nga ng isang tagapagsalita sa school ng anak ko, bawat good deed mo ay dagdag isang hollow block sa langit... kaya damihan at dalasan ang paggawa ng mabuti upang mabuo ang iyong tahanan sa langit.
Post by: rochie on Aug 29, 2015 at 10:41 AM
Mga INC, ganyan pa rin magisip.
as in lahat?
Post by: tony on Aug 29, 2015 at 10:46 AM
as in lahat?
stand ng church wrt to tiwalagan...Rochie INC member ka?
Post by: Philander on Aug 29, 2015 at 10:50 AM
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Post by: rochie on Aug 29, 2015 at 10:53 AM
stand ng church wrt to tiwalagan...Rochie INC member ka?
oo sir Tony INC ako since birth,pati father ko INC since birth, pero wala ako sa DOJ at EDSA.
hindi naman sa wala kaming freedom of speech,iniiwasan lang namin ang magsalita at magpahayag na magiging dahilan ng pagkakabaha-bahagi ng Iglesia, kaya nga natiwalag yung mag-iina dahil sa pahayag nila na naging dahilan ng pagkakabaha-bahagi. kung meron kami gusto iparating malaya naman naming nasasabi sa pamamahala,kung meron kami nakikitang hindi maganda malaya kaming naipapahayag yun,hindi kagaya ng sabi sabi ng iba na hawak kami sa leeg at bawal ang magsalita. pwedeng magpahayag ng saloobin Sir Tony pero dapat sa tamang lugar,hindi pwedeng yung kung saan saan. dapat diretso mong sabihin sa pamamahala o kaya sa pastor o sa mga may tungkulin para maipaabot nila sa itaas.
Post by: jerix on Aug 29, 2015 at 10:56 AM
Ibig ba nila sabihin dito dapat ang INC ang maglitis nito at huwag sumawsaw ang pamahalaan? Sana me isang mag eexplain nito, INC or not INC. :-\
Post by: pao9307 on Aug 29, 2015 at 11:02 AM
Respect their belief.
They are just practicing their freedom of religion.
Remember, respect!
Eh?
Pano yung respeto sa mga taong walang kinalaman sa mga isyu nila? Yung mga naipit ng ilang oras lang naman aa kalsada dahil sa kanila?
Ano yun,bali wala na lang para lang maexercise nila ang freedom nila?
Post by: Philander on Aug 29, 2015 at 11:04 AM
oo sir Tony INC ako since birth,pati father ko INC since birth, pero wala ako sa DOJ at EDSA.
hindi naman sa wala kaming freedom of speech,iniiwasan lang namin ang magsalita at magpahayag na magiging dahilan ng pagkakabaha-bahagi ng Iglesia, kaya nga natiwalag yung mag-iina dahil sa pahayag nila na naging dahilan ng pagkakabaha-bahagi. kung meron kami gusto iparating malaya naman naming nasasabi sa pamamahala,kung meron kami nakikitang hindi maganda malaya kaming naipapahayag yun,hindi kagaya ng sabi sabi ng iba na hawak kami sa leeg at bawal ang magsalita. pwedeng magpahayag ng saloobin Sir Tony pero dapat sa tamang lugar,hindi pwedeng yung kung saan saan. dapat diretso mong sabihin sa pamamahala o kaya sa pastor o sa mga may tungkulin para maipaabot nila sa itaas.
So kun gmay malaya kayong/silang pamamahayag at pag iisip, anong ginagawa nila sa EDSA at nag aantay pa rin ng instructions sa pinuno nyo?
Post by: tony on Aug 29, 2015 at 11:04 AM
oo sir Tony INC ako since birth,pati father ko INC since birth, pero wala ako sa DOJ at EDSA.
hindi naman sa wala kaming freedom of speech,iniiwasan lang namin ang magsalita at magpahayag na magiging dahilan ng pagkakabaha-bahagi ng Iglesia, kaya nga natiwalag yung mag-iina dahil sa pahayag nila na naging dahilan ng pagkakabaha-bahagi. kung meron kami gusto iparating malaya naman naming nasasabi sa pamamahala,kung meron kami nakikitang hindi maganda malaya kaming naipapahayag yun,hindi kagaya ng sabi sabi ng iba na hawak kami sa leeg at bawal ang magsalita. pwedeng magpahayag ng saloobin Sir Tony pero dapat sa tamang lugar,hindi pwedeng yung kung saan saan. dapat diretso mong sabihin sa pamamahala o kaya sa pastor o sa mga may tungkulin para maipaabot nila sa itaas.
so tamang lugar ba ang EDSA at harapan ng DOJ? i think the INC is confused or merely showing political clout...
Post by: tony on Aug 29, 2015 at 11:05 AM
Eh?
Pano yung respeto sa mga taong walang kinalaman sa mga isyu nila? Yung mga naipit ng ilang oras lang naman aa kalsada dahil sa kanila?
Ano yun,bali wala na lang para lang maexercise nila ang freedom nila?
yes, freedom to make a fool of themselves....
Post by: tenderfender on Aug 29, 2015 at 11:05 AM
Ang nagtataka ako bakit lahat takot sa INC? Si Taberna ayaw magsalita. Inupakan kagabi yung cameraman ng ABS, ok lang. Kanina kahit weekend binigyan ng permit sa mandaluyong.
Pag hinarangan NLEX, Commonwealth ng mga sasakyan nila, kamot ulo na lang. Walang gusto magpaalis. Walang liable. Yung mga sasakyan na may INC100 o kapatid na sticker di ginagalaw. Bakit hindi patas? I have nothing against their doctrines. Di ako pamilyar dyan. Ang di ko maintindihan, bakit angat sila sa batas?
Pag anniversary at birthday tadtad ng tarp sa pagbati ng mga pulitiko, parang under sila lahat. Presidential candidate na ha, kailangan may basbas. Karamihan sumali sa INC (tulad ng mga pulis) dahil mabilis umangat pag kapatid. Totoo yan sa napuna ko.
Emperors new clothes. Lahat sinasabi na maganda. Lahat sinbasabi na invinsible. Lahat sinasabi na powerful. This is an illusion. Sana may tumapos na ang illusion na ito na ang TAGAL na pinapairal. The emperor is naked, yan ang totoo sa Emperors new clothes na story.
Pantay pantay dapat ang trato sa lahat, INC member man o hindi. Yan lang dapat. Pag mag rally Bayan Muna etc, weeks before ang pagkuha ng permit. Sila nandun na tsaka kuha permit. Ang daming naaabala pero walang reklamo kasi sa perceived illusion of power sa voting.
Hanggang kailan ito?
Hail H.Y.D.R.A!
(We've inflitrated the system up to the highest level of govt!)
Post by: rochie on Aug 29, 2015 at 11:09 AM
so tamang lugar ba ang EDSA at harapan ng DOJ? i think the INC is confused or merely showing political clout...
masyadong malalim ang usapin sir Tony para maintindihan nating mga nasa ibaba ang sitwasyon lalo nat ang source lang naman natin ay facebook at mga balita sa pahayagan na minsan ay hindi naman kompleto sa detalye.
may malalim na dahilan kung bakit andun mga kapatid namin sa INC. sa aking pananaw baka mabawasan ng 2million votes ang LP sa 2016
Post by: tony on Aug 29, 2015 at 11:13 AM
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tulad ni Hitler at ng mga santo papa ng RC ng 11th century, ayaw nila ng dissent, bad for business yan... >:D
kaya nga merong pugot ulo, si hitler me gestapo....
paano sa palagay nyo nagawa ni hitler na gawing maamong tupa ang mga germans noon mga panahon na yon?
paano napa payag ni Marcos ang mga Pilipino na tanggapin na lang ang martial law noong 1972?
God gave us the gift of discernment.....we only need to open our eyes to see what is going on...
Post by: rochie on Aug 29, 2015 at 11:20 AM
Seig Heil!!!!
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1810531/images/o-HITLER-SALUTE-facebook.jpg)
tulad ni Hitler at ng mga santo papa ng RC ng 11th century, ayaw nila ng dissent, bad for business yan... >:D
kaya nga merong pugot ulo, si hitler me gestapo....
paano sa palagay nyo nagawa ni hitler na gawing maamong tupa ang mga germans noon mga panahon na yon?
paano napa payag ni Marcos ang mga Pilipino na tanggapin na lang ang martial law noong 1972?
buti na lang walang pugot ulo sa amin at gestapo,tiwalag lang, tapos pag nagbago ka pwede ka namang bumalik.
Post by: tony on Aug 29, 2015 at 11:41 AM
Post by: Philander on Aug 29, 2015 at 11:45 AM
buti na lang walang pugot ulo sa amin at gestapo,tiwalag lang, tapos pag nagbago ka pwede ka namang bumalik.
Syempre sayang naman kasi yung donation na makukuha at syempre naniniwala ung bumalik na maliligtas sya.
Post by: dodie on Aug 29, 2015 at 11:52 AM
. sa aking pananaw baka mabawasan ng 2million votes ang LP sa 2016
nakakalungkot lang chief, kse ang tingin ko ko sa block voting ay isang panghohostage ng politiko......there you go yun ipinagsisigawan ng mga kasapi ng iglesia na seperation of church and state!
Post by: praktikal on Aug 29, 2015 at 11:54 AM
may kakilala akong sinubukang maging INC. palibhasa maligalig at maprinsipyo, hinamon ng debate ang nakatataas sa kanya binanatan hanggang sa walang maisagot. after a while umalis ang kausap at pagbalik marami nang kasamang mas mataas at pinagtulungan sya na may kasamang pananakot. kuyog of sort. dahilan para tumiwalag sya. hindi lang dahil sa takot kundi hindi nya matagpuan ang kasagutan sa mga tanong nya patungkol sa totoong paniniwala at pananalig ng INC.
saksi din sya sa mga panunuyo sa mga tao para maging miyembro. marahil ang iba hindi talaga din nila alam ang mga nangyayari sa labas ng circle nila. maraming tikom ang bibig. nung "bininyagan" sya, piniringan daw sya at dinala sa isang parang tunnel ata tapos inilublob ang ulo sa tubig (ng patihaya pa nga yata) ng paulit-ulit habang tinatanong kung, "nakita nya ang Diyos" (something like that). eh, sa hindi daw nya nakita hanggang sa pakiramdam nya malulunod na sya kaya sinabing nakita na nya. ganun ba talaga ang ginagawa sa lahat na recruit? lupet ha.
narinig ko sa kapitbahay namin kung paano laitin ng isang pastor ang mga katoliko sa harap ng isang niriricruit nyang katoliko. lahat ng paninira ginawa para makuha ang simpatya ng babae. tinawanan nya ang salitang "Aba". wala daw kahulugan, ano daw yun nagulat lang? ano daw klaseng salita yun. oh well...
mang recruit ka pero wag kang manira ng relihiyon ng iba. parang si Binay, ang pangangampanya ay dinadaan sa paninira. hayy...
Post by: rochie on Aug 29, 2015 at 11:58 AM
naked exercise of political power by the Ayatollah Manalo....pasensya na, can't help it....:D
tulad ng sabi ko kanina Sir Tony, yung mga nakikita lang naman natin sa internet at nababasa sa diyaryo ang basehan ng mga reaction natin. pero may mas malalim na dahilan kung bakit madaming tao sa EDSA.tanungin kaya natin yung mga yellow baka sakaling magsalita sila :D :D :D :D
Post by: CeeV on Aug 29, 2015 at 12:06 PM
Sa panahon ng malayang pamamahayag hindi pa rin ba sila makapag decide for themselves kung sino ang sa pananaw nila ay tama mamuno sa bayan at kelangan pa na kung anong sabhin ni Manalo or Sanggunian eh yun ang boboto nila?...tsk tsk..too medieval thinking pa yan. Takot matiwalag at hindi daw masasalba punta sa langit pero wla naman sa hulog ang pamamaraan...tsk...Do you think GOD will ever accept this practice?
Post by: tony on Aug 29, 2015 at 12:09 PM
nakakalungkot lang chief, kse ang tingin ko ko sa block voting ay isang panghohostage ng politiko......there you go yun ipinagsisigawan ng mga kasapi ng iglesia na seperation of church and state!
sa dami naman ng mga nainis sa ginawa nilang abala sa kalsada,
aba eh baka iboto nila yung kandidatong iboboto ng INC...
Post by: rochie on Aug 29, 2015 at 12:13 PM
nakakalungkot lang chief, kse ang tingin ko ko sa block voting ay isang panghohostage ng politiko......there you go yun ipinagsisigawan ng mga kasapi ng iglesia na seperation of church and state!
sir paano po namin hinohostage ang politiko?katulad lang din naman ng ordinaryong mamamayan ang gusto namin, pag binoto namin yung politiko umaasa kaming gagawa sya ng tama at makatutulong sa ikakaunlad ng bayan. pero ang masakit lang pag nagnakaw sa amin ang sisi. hindi din naman tayo nakakasiguro na yung hindi namin ibinoto eh hindi din magnanakaw kung sakaling nanalo.
Post by: dpogs on Aug 29, 2015 at 12:20 PM
Post by: pao9307 on Aug 29, 2015 at 12:20 PM
sir paano po namin hinohostage ang politiko?katulad lang din naman ng ordinaryong mamamayan ang gusto namin, pag binoto namin yung politiko umaasa kaming gagawa sya ng tama at makatutulong sa ikakaunlad ng bayan. pero ang masakit lang pag nagnakaw sa amin ang sisi. hindi din naman tayo nakakasiguro na yung hindi namin ibinoto eh hindi din magnanakaw kung sakaling nanalo.pang hohostage in this regard.
Obvious naman na prevalent sa pinoy ang utang na loob. Sabihin natin nanalo yung binoto nyo. E di for the duration of his term,beholden sya sa inc. Magiging impartial sya sa anything na may kinalaman sa inc.
Personally, di ko gets bakit obligado ang members ninyo iboto ang sinabing iboto ni manalo. Walang free will na oras mag inc ka?
Post by: dodie on Aug 29, 2015 at 12:25 PM
sir paano po namin hinohostage ang politiko?katulad lang din naman ng ordinaryong mamamayan ang gusto namin, pag binoto namin yung politiko umaasa kaming gagawa sya ng tama at makatutulong sa ikakaunlad ng bayan. pero ang masakit lang pag nagnakaw sa amin ang sisi. hindi din naman tayo nakakasiguro na yung hindi namin ibinoto eh hindi din magnanakaw kung sakaling nanalo.sino ba sir ang sumisisi sa inyo sa pagpili ninyo? im talking of the act of choosing. yun yung nacoprrupt.
kse indirectly beholden ang politoko sa iglesia. masama bang protektahan ang iglesya sa estado at sa mga nagpapalakad dito? HINDI. pero ano ang tamang paraan? hindi kayo hanapbuhay o korporasyon. relihiyon kyo at biblia ang basehan ng turo nito!
tulad ng sabi ko kanina Sir Tony, yung mga nakikita lang naman natin sa internet at nababasa sa diyaryo ang basehan ng mga reaction natin. pero may mas malalim na dahilan kung bakit madaming tao sa EDSA.tanungin kaya natin yung mga yellow baka sakaling magsalita sila :D :D :D :D
ano ang malalim ng dahilan sir? kailangan ba na iglesia lang ang may alam ng dahilan na yon at hahayaan mong kutyain ang iglesia wag mo lang itong masabi? ng sa kadahilang iimbistigahan ni delima ang mga member ng sanggunian dahil may reklamong nakahain, ito ay ipinakita sa inyo ng sanggunian na religious persecution at kailangan maglabas ng pwersa para ipakita sa estado na kyo ay marami at may lakas?
isa lang ang malinaw, at walng malalim na dahilan tulad ng iyong patungkol at kathang isip. you just followed blindly no matter what. youre just putting a spin into something to justify your obedience. if a possible crime is commited, no one is above the law, even your sanggunian.....
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kudos to boss ricky, he sees it better that you do. tunay nga syang myembro ng iglesya, isinasapuso at isinasagawa ang mga turo nito......
Post by: dpogs on Aug 29, 2015 at 12:29 PM
Tigil muna nila ang pagsuporta sa mga kandidato bago nila isigaw yan. Bad trip.
Post by: rochie on Aug 29, 2015 at 12:40 PM
kudos to boss ricky, he sees it better that you do. tunay nga syang myembro ng iglesya, isinasapuso at isinasagawa ang mga turo nito......
sorry Sir Dodie, pero porket hindi ko masabi sa inyo yung gusto nyong malaman eh magiging ganya ang pagtingin nyo sa paniniwala ko at sa pagganap ko bilang kasapi ng Iglesia? hindi po ako nagpunta ng DOJ maging sa EDSA,ang tanging magagawa ko lang sa ngayon ay manalangin,manalig at lakasan ang pananampalataya na sa mga susunod na araw matatapos din mga pag-uusig, at sa mga susunod na araw lalabas din ang katotohanan at maliliwanagan ang lahat kahit hindi mga kasapi sa INC.
huling sagot ko na po ito sa issue na to, sorry Bro Ricky para nga pala sa centennial ang thread na to.
Post by: bartender on Aug 29, 2015 at 12:42 PM
so tamang lugar ba ang EDSA at harapan ng DOJ? i think the INC is confused or merely showing political clout...
+1 Sa madaling salita, nambu-bully
Post by: dodie on Aug 29, 2015 at 12:54 PM
sorry Sir Dodie, pero porket hindi ko masabi sa inyo yung gusto nyong malaman eh magiging ganya ang pagtingin nyo sa paniniwala ko at sa pagganap ko bilang kasapi ng Iglesia? hindi po ako nagpunta ng DOJ maging sa EDSA,ang tanging magagawa ko lang sa ngayon ay manalangin,manalig at lakasan ang pananampalataya na sa mga susunod na araw matatapos din mga pag-uusig, at sa mga susunod na araw lalabas din ang katotohanan at maliliwanagan ang lahat kahit hindi mga kasapi sa INC.
huling sagot ko na po ito sa issue na to, sorry Bro Ricky para nga pala sa centennial ang thread na to.
thats the right thing to do sir. the foundation of our religion is our faith in the lord. there is no powerful solution for their enlightenment than the power of prayer and strong faith. kung sa panalangin boss rochie, i may be a devouted catholic, but im with you, joining you, in prayers that your church may surpass this turmoil and our leaders to be enlightended on what is best for the salvation of the flock.....gud morning and have a happy weekend. :)
Post by: megalomania on Aug 29, 2015 at 01:03 PM
Eh?
Pano yung respeto sa mga taong walang kinalaman sa mga isyu nila? Yung mga naipit ng ilang oras lang naman aa kalsada dahil sa kanila?
Ano yun,bali wala na lang para lang maexercise nila ang freedom nila?
I agree to this. Parang one sided naman ng comment kasi about respect. So sa kanila dapat may respect, sa mga naaabala ok lang na hindi na bigyan ng respeto? Ang gara di ba?
Post by: rochie on Aug 29, 2015 at 01:05 PM
thats the right thing to do sir. the foundation of our religion is our faith in the lord. there is no powerful solution for their enlightenment than the power of prayer and strong faith. kung sa panalangin boss rochie, i may be a devouted catholic, but im with you, joining you, in prayers that your church may surpass this turmoil and our leaders to be enlightended on what is best for the salvation of the flock.....gud morning and have a happy weekend. :)
pero sir kung gusto nyo makipag kwentuhan sa akin pwede nyo ako i PM :D :D
Post by: dodie on Aug 29, 2015 at 01:15 PM
pero sir kung gusto nyo makipag kwentuhan sa akin pwede nyo ako i PM :D :D
hahahahaha...chief, over a cup of coffee will be much better ;D ;D ;D ;D
Post by: rochie on Aug 29, 2015 at 01:17 PM
hahahahaha...chief, over a cup of coffee will be much better ;D ;D ;D ;D
naku sir,peyborit ko din ang kape. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Post by: disturbed on Aug 29, 2015 at 02:07 PM
Post by: ninjababez® on Aug 29, 2015 at 02:26 PM
ang siste nito, nalilito din ang mga pulitiko dahil sa parating na election... nababali o napipilipit ang batas ng gobyerno dahil sa pakikiramdam at paninimbang... so paano na?
may kakilala akong sinubukang maging INC. palibhasa maligalig at maprinsipyo, hinamon ng debate ang nakatataas sa kanya binanatan hanggang sa walang maisagot. after a while umalis ang kausap at pagbalik marami nang kasamang mas mataas at pinagtulungan sya na may kasamang pananakot. kuyog of sort. dahilan para tumiwalag sya. hindi lang dahil sa takot kundi hindi nya matagpuan ang kasagutan sa mga tanong nya patungkol sa totoong paniniwala at pananalig ng INC.
saksi din sya sa mga panunuyo sa mga tao para maging miyembro. marahil ang iba hindi talaga din nila alam ang mga nangyayari sa labas ng circle nila. maraming tikom ang bibig. nung "bininyagan" sya, piniringan daw sya at dinala sa isang parang tunnel ata tapos inilublob ang ulo sa tubig (ng patihaya pa nga yata) ng paulit-ulit habang tinatanong kung, "nakita nya ang Diyos" (something like that). eh, sa hindi daw nya nakita hanggang sa pakiramdam nya malulunod na sya kaya sinabing nakita na nya. ganun ba talaga ang ginagawa sa lahat na recruit? lupet ha.
narinig ko sa kapitbahay namin kung paano laitin ng isang pastor ang mga katoliko sa harap ng isang niriricruit nyang katoliko. lahat ng paninira ginawa para makuha ang simpatya ng babae. tinawanan nya ang salitang "Aba". wala daw kahulugan, ano daw yun nagulat lang? ano daw klaseng salita yun. oh well...
mang recruit ka pero wag kang manira ng relihiyon ng iba. parang si Binay, ang pangangampanya ay dinadaan sa paninira. hayy...
mga INC bros, may katotohanan ba ito? my GF is inc and obviously to marry her kailangan ko magpa convert.
Post by: istan on Aug 29, 2015 at 02:29 PM
I think your belief will accept her w/ open arms and w/ no requirements.
Post by: rochie on Aug 29, 2015 at 02:34 PM
mga INC bros, may katotohanan ba ito? my GF is inc and obviously to marry her kailangan ko magpa convert.
kailangan mong mag pa convert or matitiwalag si GF mo para makasal kayo,have you talked to your GF about this? nung naging mag bf/gf kami ng misis ko hindi din sya INC noon,and right from the start na nanligaw ako sa kanya I told her na hindi kami makakasal sa church namin kung hindi sya magpapaconvert. if you both love each other madali lang to bro,may challenges pero kayang lagpasan kung 2 kayo ng GF mo na isosolve ito.
Post by: ninjababez® on Aug 29, 2015 at 02:53 PM
kailangan mong mag pa convert or matitiwalag si GF mo para makasal kayo,have you talked to your GF about this? nung naging mag bf/gf kami ng misis ko hindi din sya INC noon,and right from the start na nanligaw ako sa kanya I told her na hindi kami makakasal sa church namin kung hindi sya magpapaconvert. if you both love each other madali lang to bro,may challenges pero kayang lagpasan kung 2 kayo ng GF mo na isosolve ito.honestly bro i dont believe in god.
i think i told bro ricky about this and his advice was (IIRC) not to go thru with the relationship since kawawa naman yung GF ko. pero very supportive ako sa kanya, ako pa nagagalit pag di sya nakakasamba. dahilan ko dito eh dun nya nakukuha "strength" nya, i respect that.
i truly love her, i actually offered her marriage outside of church which she obviously declined (sayang jackpot talaga sya sakin ;D ).
our agreement was, she migrates then before i follow her sa US eh, i will try to find god on my own. ayaw ko kasi nung inuutos or pinipilit sakin yung isang bagay. btw bago ako naging atheist, nung bata ako IIRC i only pray to say thanks at di para humingi ng kahit ano.
teka na segway na, totoo ba yung post ni bro noli? ;D
Post by: rochie on Aug 29, 2015 at 03:01 PM
honestly bro i dont believe in god.
i think i told bro ricky about this and his advice was (IIRC) not to go thru with the relationship since kawawa naman yung GF ko. pero very supportive ako sa kanya, ako pa nagagalit pag di sya nakakasamba. dahilan ko dito eh dun nya nakukuha "strength" nya, i respect that.
i truly love her, i actually offered her marriage outside of church which she obviously declined (sayang jackpot talaga sya sakin ;D ).
our agreement was, she migrates then before i follow her sa US eh, i will try to find god on my own. ayaw ko kasi nung inuutos or pinipilit sakin yung isang bagay. btw bago ako naging atheist, nung bata ako IIRC i only pray to say thanks at di para humingi ng kahit ano.
teka na segway na, totoo ba yung post ni bro noli? ;D
actually bro that's a very good idea, at least you seek God not because of the pressure of marrying your GF but you want it too.btw, when you say you want to find God on your own,is this the same God or the same church that your GF was a member?if yes, and if the time comes, you can to any of our church nearest your location and just ask for the pastor, Im very sure they can accommodate and answer your questions.
teka sino si Noli? hehe sorry di ko alam mga first name nila,ang alam ko lang kung ano username na gamit nila dito :D :D :D
Post by: ninjababez® on Aug 29, 2015 at 03:27 PM
actually bro that's a very good idea, at least you seek God not because of the pressure of marrying your GF but you want it too.btw, when you say you want to find God on your own,is this the same God or the same church that your GF was a member?if yes, and if the time comes, you can to any of our church nearest your location and just ask for the pastor, Im very sure they can accommodate and answer your questions.
teka sino si Noli? hehe sorry di ko alam mga first name nila,ang alam ko lang kung ano username na gamit nila dito :D :D :D
eto pala yung post bro
RE: binyagan
pag wala kasi akong makitang dyos at nilunod ako ay baka makasakit ako ng tao. :)
ang siste nito, nalilito din ang mga pulitiko dahil sa parating na election... nababali o napipilipit ang batas ng gobyerno dahil sa pakikiramdam at paninimbang... so paano na?
may kakilala akong sinubukang maging INC. palibhasa maligalig at maprinsipyo, hinamon ng debate ang nakatataas sa kanya binanatan hanggang sa walang maisagot. after a while umalis ang kausap at pagbalik marami nang kasamang mas mataas at pinagtulungan sya na may kasamang pananakot. kuyog of sort. dahilan para tumiwalag sya. hindi lang dahil sa takot kundi hindi nya matagpuan ang kasagutan sa mga tanong nya patungkol sa totoong paniniwala at pananalig ng INC.
saksi din sya sa mga panunuyo sa mga tao para maging miyembro. marahil ang iba hindi talaga din nila alam ang mga nangyayari sa labas ng circle nila. maraming tikom ang bibig. nung "bininyagan" sya, piniringan daw sya at dinala sa isang parang tunnel ata tapos inilublob ang ulo sa tubig (ng patihaya pa nga yata) ng paulit-ulit habang tinatanong kung, "nakita nya ang Diyos" (something like that). eh, sa hindi daw nya nakita hanggang sa pakiramdam nya malulunod na sya kaya sinabing nakita na nya. ganun ba talaga ang ginagawa sa lahat na recruit? lupet ha.
narinig ko sa kapitbahay namin kung paano laitin ng isang pastor ang mga katoliko sa harap ng isang niriricruit nyang katoliko. lahat ng paninira ginawa para makuha ang simpatya ng babae. tinawanan nya ang salitang "Aba". wala daw kahulugan, ano daw yun nagulat lang? ano daw klaseng salita yun. oh well...
mang recruit ka pero wag kang manira ng relihiyon ng iba. parang si Binay, ang pangangampanya ay dinadaan sa paninira. hayy...
Post by: rochie on Aug 29, 2015 at 03:37 PM
eto pala yung post broay hahaahahaha. baka pinapatawa ka lang ni Bro Noli. pag naisipan mo ng umanib at ginawa sa iyo yan sabihin mo sa akin at sasamahan kita mismo para resbakan natin yung naglublob sa iyo. ;D ;D ;D
RE: binyagan
pag wala kasi akong makitang dyos at nilunod ako ay baka makasakit ako ng tao. :)
Post by: praktikal on Aug 29, 2015 at 05:03 PM
Post by: sovrain on Aug 29, 2015 at 05:05 PM
Post by: tony on Aug 29, 2015 at 05:34 PM
Post by: zonks on Aug 29, 2015 at 05:40 PM
Eh?
Pano yung respeto sa mga taong walang kinalaman sa mga isyu nila? Yung mga naipit ng ilang oras lang naman aa kalsada dahil sa kanila?
Ano yun,bali wala na lang para lang maexercise nila ang freedom nila?
yes, sakto yan bro, "respect begets respect"
Post by: praktikal on Aug 29, 2015 at 05:57 PM
Re: binyagan ng bagong myembro. Yan din ang istorya nong nasa elementary pa ako (70's) ang paglublob sa ilog. At tinatanong daw kung anong nakita...di ba ganoon talaga? Or ganito sila noon? :)
hmmm... may katotohanan nga. pero itong sa kakilala ko parang sa likuran ng altar (ganun din ba ang tawag nila?) daw at parang bumaba pa sila... iirc, sa may cavite o batangas daw. hindi nya lang nasabi kung anong taon.
Post by: barrister on Aug 29, 2015 at 07:37 PM
Masyadong mabigat kasi ang kasong isinampa --- Serious Illegal Detention. Non-bailable yan.
Sa ganitong kabigat na kaso, kahit acquitted sa dulo, kulong pa rin nang ilang years ang akusado habang nililitis, kasi non-bailable.
Yung nangyari kay Cedric Lee na nabigyan ng bail sa non-bailable offense, napakahirap gawin non. Ang mga criminal lawyers, yabang na yabang pag nabigyan ng bail sa non-bailable charge, kasi nga hindi madali yon... ;)
Sa tingin ko, pag si De Lima ay nag downgrade ng charge sa bailable offense, payag na ang Sanggunian. Siguro kinakabahan sila, baka non-bailable ang isampa ni De Lima, makukulong sila during the pendency of the case. Kaya nagkaroon ng mga rally.
In the meantime, legal na legal ang ginagawang rally. May permits pa:
Mandaluyong allows Iglesia ni Cristo to continue rally until Sunday
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/717383/mandaluyong-allows-iglesia-ni-cristo-to-continue-rally-until-sunday#ixzz3kCd67s9i (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/717383/mandaluyong-allows-iglesia-ni-cristo-to-continue-rally-until-sunday#ixzz3kCd67s9i)
Iglesia ni Cristo rally allowed in Manila until September 4
http://www.rappler.com/nation/104052-iglesia-ni-cristo-rally-allowed-until-september-4 (http://www.rappler.com/nation/104052-iglesia-ni-cristo-rally-allowed-until-september-4)
Post by: Philander on Aug 29, 2015 at 08:10 PM
Post by: dodie on Aug 29, 2015 at 09:10 PM
Oo, posibleng posible nga na ninerbiyos and to take it further, id like to speculate na baka gamitin ng administrasyon etong complaint ni Samson, EX: Support Mar and our slate sa 2016 or else file namin tong kasong to. Kaya siguro this early, pinakita na nila na papalag sila. Tingin ko lang.
kawawa din talaga ang administrasyon at mga pambato nito.....isipin nyo kung makikisimpatya sila at lalambot dahil sa protesta ng iglesya, maaring ang basa ng tao ay sila ay namumulitika at gustong makuha ang block vote ng INC....ngayon namang nanindigan sa kanilang pagkupkop kay samson at binigyang pansin ang hinaing nito....ang basa naman ay gagamitin ito na pang blackmail sa elekyon......
its a simple case of "damn if you do, damn if you dont"
kawawang PNOY at LP.........
Post by: tenderfender on Aug 29, 2015 at 09:20 PM
if so, my konek di ba ito sa pagratrat sa coffee shop ni Tonying?
Post by: ricky on Aug 29, 2015 at 09:46 PM
Will try to answer the best way I can. Although i have to admit in not in the best position(knowledge and vocabulary wise to do so) yun pinsan ko magaling at malwanag sumagot. Mahinahon pa. Pwede siguro ako sabihan na blund follower pero minsan masalita din ako at tinitimbang ko din kung ano mawawala sa akin kung susunod ako.
- sa pag aabuloy, hi di totoo yung may percent ng kita mo. Ni minsan wala magdidikta syo kung magkano dapat mo ibigay. Malaki or maliit it does not matter basta maluwag lang sa puso at kalooban mo. Minsan kami na nga magkakapatid (siblings) hindi namin compare nor ask magkano ihahandog namin kasi bawal mo ipagmalaki yon.
- pag babautismo, matagal na ako nabautismuhan 13yo lang ako pero tandang tanda ko pa. Napaka solemn ng act, medyo sad ako kasi parang minadali yung process(ang dami kasi namin at that time). Lubog sabay ahon na at bihis. Bawal ngumiti or magkwentuhan. Tama na patihaya ka ilulubog pero once lang at mabilis parang pisil ko pa ilong ko para wag pasukan ng tubig. HINDI TOTOO na lulunurin ka. Nor tatanungin ka kung nakita mo ang Diyos. Labag sa aral yon.
- pakikipag tipan sa taga ibang relihiyon(pag gf/bf) yes bawal yon, lalo na ang pag aasawa. Bawal pre marital sex din . Dati ang biro namin ok lang mag gf ng hindi INC kasi bunga na namin yon pag nagkatuluyan (foul yon) ngayon pag may nag ulat syo na nakikirelasyon ka sa hindi INC, kakausapin ka at pag papayuhan(hindi tiwalag agad) napaka maunawain ng pamamahala sa mga nagkakamali, papayuhan at papaliwanagan ka talaga para iwan mo yun masamang gawa. Matitiwalag ka lang pag talagang hi di ka nagbago and may nag uulat pa din syo.(nagsusunbong)
- ni minsan hindi nanlait at bawal manlait ng ibang tao lalo na with regards to belief. Nagiging point of conparison lang talaga yun practice ng katoliko kasi yon ang nakagisnang religion ng nakakarami and most ng inaakay namin eh katoliko. Again bawal manlait pero I have to admit may pailan ilan na sadya yatang iba tabas ng dila. Masakit magsalita at minsan may kayabangan. Pero it does not mean na ganoon lahat. Pasensya na kung may
Mga narinig kayo ganyan magsalita, hindi ko alam bakit may ganoon.
- sa pagboto naman, nag ugat ito sa pagkakaisa. Bilang INC dapat mag kaisa kami sa lahat ng gagawin namin.hence pag boboto dapat parepareho kami. Ang nagdedesisyon ang tagapamahala, sya nasa tamang lugar at kapasidad paa magdedisyon kasi bukod sa alam nya yun plataporma(presented to them
By the politician themselves) eh ipinagpapanata din nila yon. For the last number of elections halos yung nakalalamang naman ang dinadala namin. Bihirang bihira kami bumoto ng hindi sure winner. Alam nyo na siguro kung bakit. Ngayon may pailan ilan na hindi sumusunod, sya na magdadala noon at sya lang din nakaka alam
Ng dahilan kung bakit ayaw nya sumunod. Sabi nga nila ikaw lang at ang Ama makakaalam ng ibinoto mo.
- also just found out na bago ikasal ang parehong INC member eh may pregnancy test. Pag buntis lagot kayo pareho. Meaning pms yon which is bawal di ba.
- bawal makipaghiwalay sa asawa, divorce at legal separation. Pero kung kung talagang hindi pwedrng iwasan meaning hindi na talaga kayo mag kasundo eh papayagan kayo pero bawal ka naman makipag relasyon/makisama at lalo na magpakasal sa iba hanggang buhay pa dati mong asawa.
Sana kahit papaano eh nasagot ko yung ibang haka haka nyo. Again hindi lahat ng tao
Pare parehong kumilos at magsalita. Minsan may exagerated minsan naman walang kalatoy latoy.
Swerte lang ako na sa pamilya ko(kami ng mga anak ko) ay pareho ng pananaw sa nangyayari ngayon. Idadaan na lang namin sa matinding panalangin ang lahat. Yan kasi ang turo sa amin na lubos na magtiwala sa Ama at wag susuko. Manalangin lang na mataimtim.
Post by: Philander on Aug 29, 2015 at 10:40 PM
Swerte lang ako na sa pamilya ko(kami ng mga anak ko) ay pareho ng pananaw sa nangyayari ngayon. Idadaan na lang namin sa matinding panalangin ang lahat. Yan kasi ang turo sa amin na lubos na magtiwala sa Ama at wag susuko. Manalangin lang na mataimtim.
So yung mga nasa EDSA, wala silang matinding panalangin?
Post by: ricky on Aug 29, 2015 at 11:00 PM
Pero im sure nananalangin din sila, mukha lang hindi nila napag isipan ng mabuti aksyon nila. Hindi nila siguro naisip na pwede nila masira magandang image ng INC.
Post by: Philander on Aug 29, 2015 at 11:27 PM
^hindi ko masabi, hindi ko sila kakilala. Hindi ko din masabi bakit kailangan nila mag rally, tingin ba nila hindi na sasagutin panalangin nila? Hindi ko talaga alam. Nun wednesday na sumamba ako yan ang texto, manalig sa Ama, kaya nagulat ako may rally na ng thursday.
Pero im sure nananalangin din sila, mukha lang hindi nila napag isipan ng mabuti aksyon nila. Hindi nila siguro naisip na pwede nila masira magandang image ng INC.
Thanks.
Can you validate kung totoo ito na galing sa INC:
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Post by: CoolTOYZPH on Aug 30, 2015 at 12:04 AM
Seems to be contradicting that they espouse "separation of church and state" but issues in No.8 are mostly political issues.
Thanks.
Can you validate kung totoo ito na galing sa INC:
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Post by: Ice Storm on Aug 30, 2015 at 12:24 AM
Masyadong mabigat kasi ang kasong isinampa --- Serious Illegal Detention. Non-bailable yan.Per SC anything is bailable.
See the People vs Enrile. ;)
Post by: barrister on Aug 30, 2015 at 02:11 AM
Per SC anything is bailable.
See the People vs Enrile. ;)
Non-bailable means bail is discretionary. It does not mean bail is impossible.
If "anything is bailable," why can't Bong Revilla and Jinggoy Estrada post bail?
Post by: toys4geeks on Aug 30, 2015 at 03:21 AM
Non-bailable means bail is discretionary. It does not mean bail is impossible.Tumpak!
If "anything is bailable," why can't Bong Revilla and Jinggoy Estrada post bail?
Post by: Cruzader1986 on Aug 30, 2015 at 03:25 AM
Post by: toys4geeks on Aug 30, 2015 at 03:39 AM
kawawa din talaga ang administrasyon at mga pambato nito.....isipin nyo kung makikisimpatya sila at lalambot dahil sa protesta ng iglesya, maaring ang basa ng tao ay sila ay namumulitika at gustong makuha ang block vote ng INC....ngayon namang nanindigan sa kanilang pagkupkop kay samson at binigyang pansin ang hinaing nito....ang basa naman ay gagamitin ito na pang blackmail sa elekyon......Sumagot na si Mar supporting the rule of law.I can't help but admire his stance despite tatakbo siya and still makes it possible to enjoy a solid vote ng INC kung manahimik na lang.
its a simple case of "damn if you do, damn if you dont"
kawawang PNOY at LP.........
I also admire the INC members that confirm may sarili silang pananaw sa usapin na nagpatunay na di lahat at ayon sa kinilos sa EDSA patungkol sa kanilang hinaing.
Ngayong nakita ko na ang mga pulitiko na simbilis ni The Flash kung makisawsaw sa kaguluhan-- i have crossed off my hopes for Poe.
Post by: Ice Storm on Aug 30, 2015 at 05:33 AM
Non-bailable means bail is discretionary. It does not mean bail is impossible.They aren't as scary as Tanda.
If "anything is bailable," why can't Bong Revilla and Jinggoy Estrada post bail?
Guess who is also plenty scary. :D
Post by: AppleMan on Aug 30, 2015 at 06:15 AM
Quote
The 1987 Constitution of the Philippines
Declares: The Separation of Church and State shall be inviolable. (Article II, Section 6).
And, No law shall be made respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
The free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship without discrimination or preference, shall
forever be allowed.
However, involvement of a "crime" inside the church such as:
sex crimes, shooting incidents, ABDUCTIONS, HOSTAGES etc, are required mere intervention from the State as the LAW of the Land.
Nagtatanong lang po wala po ako ibang intensyon kundi malinawan lang, kasi dami na-perwisyo lalo na mga dumadaan sa EDSA sobrang na-perwisyo pumanghi yung daan at ang daming KALAT sa kalye....
Post by: sovrain on Aug 30, 2015 at 06:29 AM
Post by: jerix on Aug 30, 2015 at 07:09 AM
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Post by: sovrain on Aug 30, 2015 at 08:16 AM
. For the last number of elections halos yung nakalalamang naman ang dinadala namin. Bihirang bihira kami bumoto ng hindi sure winner. Alam nyo na siguro kung bakit.papaano yan, kung si Mar ang nakakalamang(kunyari lang), will INC support him despite sa pagkontra nya sa ipinaglalaban ng mga sanggunian?
Post by: tony on Aug 30, 2015 at 08:38 AM
Non-bailable means bail is discretionary. It does not mean bail is impossible.
If "anything is bailable," why can't Bong Revilla and Jinggoy Estrada post bail?
hindi pa naman final ang bail case ni Enrile....
Post by: Branded_Things on Aug 30, 2015 at 08:47 AM
Post by: jackryan on Aug 30, 2015 at 08:53 AM
Post by: tony on Aug 30, 2015 at 08:54 AM
like sheep they are herded where their leaders want them....
i just hope that they do not end up like those in the Guyana massacre...
this latest act of the INC is nothing more than a fraternity gathering...
yes the Philiipine Arena will make a very good venue indeed...
Post by: sovrain on Aug 30, 2015 at 09:08 AM
Sana dun na lang sila mag-rally sa Phil Arena kahit isang taon, araw-araw or even forever, pwede sila sa loob nun... ang importante, huwag mang-istorbo ng iba... what they are doing at EDSA and Padre Faura is really frustrating for the majority of the general public !di isang taon ding sarado ang NLEX ;D ;D sana nga mag isip naman sila na hindi sila nakakaabala at nakakaperwisyo ng ibang tao. Karanasan ko, yung byahe dapat ng 20 minutes e, inabot ako ng 3 hours. From 6am, saka lang ako nag breakfast ng 9am. Ang pinakamasama, kinailangan kong pigilan ang jebaks ko sa loob ng tatlong oras....bwakanang!!@# ha ha ha
Post by: zonks on Aug 30, 2015 at 09:11 AM
Post by: ricky on Aug 30, 2015 at 10:51 AM
Sorry to INC members here. But take this to heart please. I cancelled 1 shoot, 1 party event, 1 get together with former colleagues and wasted my gasoline going to a client. Its your STUPID BLOC decision system. I used to defend INC as they are organised and well meaninged if they have an affair or a general congregation. It seems I was mistaken. INC PAKSHET. Sorry for the last word i muttered. Wasted time wasted effort wasted profit wasted gasoline.
Pare yan lang pinag daanan mo, kami yung samahan namin nakasalalay. Hindi ako hihingi ng pasensya sa inyo kasi pati kami din naman naabala at napeperwisyo sa kagagawan ng iilang tao.
Bro philander, sorry cant verify if its real or not. Have not seen nor heard of it. Kung totoo ito , nakakalungkot. Kung hindi ito totoo, mas nakakalungkot.
Kung sakaling nag pahayag ng rally ang pamunuan dahil sa nangyayaring mali sa gobyerno natin AT IYON LANG TALAGA ANG ISYU , malamang sumama pa ako. Pero kung pag rarally para sa kung ano pa mang pang sariling dahilan, haaaay sana patawarin pa rin ako ng Ama.
Napaka sakit ng pinagdadaanan naming lahat,sabi ko nga sa mga anak ko delete na nila mga fb accounts nila. Wag na magbasa ng kung ano anong comments kasi talaga lang nakaka apekto lalo na ang nakasalalay ay napaka halaga sa amin.
Next to pagiging active ko sa INC, alam nyo naman na active din ako dito sa pinoydvd. May halaga ba sa inyo yon? Kuya tony at atty barrister salamat for easing the tension, gim(toysforgeeks) ganoon din syo.
Ang hirap sa kalooban talaga.
Post by: barrister on Aug 30, 2015 at 11:21 AM
INC holds a rally against DOJ, rally permits also issued by the government, heavy traffic results, and people lose their minds.
Post by: tony on Aug 30, 2015 at 11:21 AM
what is happening is just a "phase" in the life of any church....
lilipas din yan.....
Post by: tony on Aug 30, 2015 at 11:27 AM
Catholics hold a rally against the RH Bill, permits issued by the government, Ortigas and part of EDSA closed, heavy traffic results, nobody complains.
INC holds a rally against DOJ, permits also issued by the government, heavy traffic results, and people lose their minds.
oh yes, catholics were at EDSA 86, edsa2, 3 and many others,
we really have nothing to complain about except that the INC leadership
seems to be missing the boat with this one, the way i look at it,
the biggest motive is that of losing one's face with the possible filing of charges,
and possible arrest, imagine the saunggunian herded to prison....
the INC leadership is simply not equipped to cope with this other
than use legitimate citizens' rights to rally...
rally all they want, but if government backs down, expect a bigger rally.....
Post by: barrister on Aug 30, 2015 at 11:42 AM
A few kilometers later, traffic na naman. More than 1 hour na naman ang abala. This time, Flores de Mayo prusisyon pala ng mga kids.
A few kilometers later, traffic na naman. More than 1 hour abala na naman. This time Flores de Mayo prusisyon ng mga bakla.
Regular na seremonyas pa lang yan, wala pang pinoprotesta. Around 4 hours ang abala sa akin. Nobody complains, sanay na kasi.
Nag rally ang INC, hindi sanay ang mga tao. People lose their minds.
Hindi ko sinasabing ok lang mang-abala ng traffic.
Ang sinasabi ko, pag sinita n'yo ang abala ng INC, sitahin n'yo rin ang abala ng Katoliko, para fair.
Post by: ricky on Aug 30, 2015 at 11:47 AM
Post by: dodie on Aug 30, 2015 at 12:05 PM
Catholics hold a rally against the RH Bill, rally permits issued by the government, Ortigas and part of EDSA closed, heavy traffic results, nobody complains.
INC holds a rally against DOJ, rally permits also issued by the government, heavy traffic results, and people lose their minds.
siguro naiintindihan na ngayon ng mga tao kung ano ang legit na grievance at mga gawa gawang hinaing lamang...
maraming mga celebrasyon ng nakakaabala sa traffic mapa iglesia o katoliko o protestante o mga bading, pero ito ay lehitimong celebrasyon. ang nagyaring protesta sa edsa ngayon, kaya SIGURO maraming naglabas ng hinaing kse they feel it is unecessary o kya hindi legit ang protest! ikaw ba naniniwala ng pinepersecute ng gobyerno at ginigipit ang liderato ng INC?
Post by: ninjababez® on Aug 30, 2015 at 12:10 PM
Abala is abala ika nga kahit sino may gawa. Maraming salamat pa rin. Iba talaga dito sa pdvdbro madami kasi dito pdvd nasa bahay lang ini-enjoy HT at audio setup nila hehehe
Post by: ricky on Aug 30, 2015 at 12:17 PM
Post by: barrister on Aug 30, 2015 at 01:01 PM
siguro naiintindihan na ngayon ng mga tao kung ano ang legit na grievance at mga gawa gawang hinaing lamang...
maraming mga celebrasyon ng nakakaabala sa traffic mapa iglesia o katoliko o protestante o mga bading, pero ito ay lehitimong celebrasyon. ang nagyaring protesta sa edsa ngayon, kaya SIGURO maraming naglabas ng hinaing kse they feel it is unecessary o kya hindi legit ang protest! ikaw ba naniniwala ng pinepersecute ng gobyerno at ginigipit ang liderato ng INC?
Hindi ako naniniwala na may persecution vs INC. Pero ang INC naniniwala na meron.
Hindi ako naniniwala na mali ang RH Bill/Law, pero ang CBCP naniniwala na mali yon.
Parehong may permit mag-rally, parehong legal ang rally, pero hindi raw legit protest yung isa, at legit protest naman daw yung isa.
Lahat tayo may bias kung ano ang legit at hindi legit na protesta. Kaya para patas ang turing, kung galit tayo sa abala ng isa, dapat galit din tayo sa abala ng kabila. Kung ok lang tayo sa abala ng isa, dapat ok lang din tayo sa abala ng kabila.
Kung ako ang tatanungin, dapat pareho lang hindi binigyan ng rally permit yan. Batikusin n'yo ang gobyerno hanggang gusto n'yo, wag n'yo lang gawin sa kalye... :D
Post by: toys4geeks on Aug 30, 2015 at 01:04 PM
Despite that flaw, we have all enjoyed relatively peaceful coexistence in the past decades at for that we are all most thankful.
Nawa'y ito ay lumipas and let the rule of law prevail. I am sure in the coming weeks Merong investigation in aid of legislation patungkol sa gawain ni De Lima.
Asahan nyong gagamitin yan ng mga pulitiko para ipaliwanag ng mga humalo sa usapin ng INC , at maexpose lang sa tv at radyo, hindi para tunay na suporta para sa INC.
Post by: barrister on Aug 30, 2015 at 01:50 PM
Sumagot na si Mar supporting the rule of law.I can't help but admire his stance despite tatakbo siya and still makes it possible to enjoy a solid vote ng INC kung manahimik na lang.
papaano yan, kung si Mar ang nakakalamang(kunyari lang), will INC support him despite sa pagkontra nya sa ipinaglalaban ng mga sanggunian?
Kinontra ba ni Mar yung pinaglalaban ng Sanggunian?
The Mar Roxas statement is nothing but political doublespeak. It's a carefully worded message that sounds good at first glance, because we don't immediately detect that he's not really taking any position.
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Eto sabi ni Mar: http://www.rappler.com/nation/104079-mar-roxas-inc-impinge-others-rights (http://www.rappler.com/nation/104079-mar-roxas-inc-impinge-others-rights)
- "Let us remember that ours is a Rule of Law and not of men."
Uy, ganda pakinggan! Mali raw ba ang INC sa pagbatikos kay De Lima?
- “While all citizens have the right to be heard and to peaceful assembly, the exercise of these rights cannot impinge on the rights of others or cause inconvenience to anyone, especially for other Filipinos going home to rest and be with their families..."
Traffic "inconvenience" lang pala ang sinasabi, hindi separation of church and state. Walang comment kung tama ba o mali si De Lima.
Mali ba ang INC sa ginagawang rally?
- “As in all protest actions, preserving peace and order with maximum tolerance will be practiced by all responding policemen..”
- “The PNP is duty-bound to ensure that the safety and general welfare of the public is maintained, both those protesting and those uninvolved. This includes making sure opportunists do not try to take advantage of the situation for personal ends.”
E di ok lang para sa kanya na mag rally ang INC, basta peaceful.
May comment ba siya sa akusasyon na may ginawang violation of "separation of church and state" rule daw si De Lima? Wala.
Ang sabi nga niya, may karapatan daw mag-rally ang INC ("all citizens have the right to be heard and to peaceful assembly"). But it should not inconvenience anyone daw. Paano ka namang magra-rally nang walang abala sa traffic?
Para mawala ang abala sa traffic, dapat tigilan na ang rally. May sinabi ba si Mar na tigilan na ang rally at umuwi na sila? Wala.
Balik tayo dito:
- "Let us remember that ours is a Rule of Law and not of men."
Tama. Pero sumusunod naman sa rule of law ang INC rally.
May legal na permits yon sa Manila and Mandaluyong. Ang utos ng pa ng pamunuan ng INC, huwag magsasalita na "ibagsak ang gobyerno." Kasi pag sinabi yon, criminal offense (Inciting to Sedition). E di sumusunod nga sa rule of law.
May sinabi ba si Mar na ang INC rally ay hindi sumusunod sa rule of law? Wala.
Ano pala sinasabi niya? Wala rin... :D
Yan ang political doublespeak. Effective naman yata. Ang dating agad sa tao, kinontra daw niya ang INC kahit hindi... ;)
Post by: ricky on Aug 30, 2015 at 02:10 PM
Kung legality, dahil may permit eh di legal, tama? Ngayon yun isyu ng punaglalaban legit ba or hindi? Sanggunian lang nakakaalam.
Post by: barrister on Aug 30, 2015 at 02:21 PM
Hindi ko din alam sino mah mali, yung humingi ng permit na nabigyan, or yung hiningan ng permit at nagbigay.
Kung legality, dahil may permit eh di legal, tama?
Siyempre naman, pag may permit e di legal. Sisihin nila yung nagbigay ng permit.
Paanong tatanggihan ng gobyerno ang permit application, e bigay sila nang bigay ng permit sa rally ng Katoliko? :D E di lalabas, discrimination pag hindi binigyan ng permit ang INC.
Yan ang sinasabi ko na pag Katoliko ang nang-abala sa traffic, walang magreklamo sa sangkatutak na Katoliko, kasi ok lang sa kanila, kapwa naman nila Katoliko, e. Ngayong sila ang naabala ng ibang relihiyon, ngawa naman nang ngawa...
Ngayon yun isyu ng punaglalaban legit ba or hindi? Sanggunian lang nakakaalam.
Issue ba kung legit o hindi ang pinaglalaban? Hindi na dapat pinakikialaman ang ganong issue, kasi dapat neutral ang gobyerno sa dahilan ng mga nagpoprotesta, kasi freedom of speech yon.
Puwede bang pagbawalan ang gay rights speech dahil lang sa kontra tayo sa pinaglalaban nila? Hindi. Tutol man tayo sa sinasabi nila, may karapatan pa rin silang magsalita.
Kontra man tayo o hindi sa ipinaglalaban ng Sanggunian, non-issue dapat yon sa karapatang free speech.
Post by: Ice Storm on Aug 30, 2015 at 02:39 PM
Sorry to INC members here. But take this to heart please. I cancelled 1 shoot, 1 party event, 1 get together with former colleagues and wasted my gasoline going to a client. Its your STUPID BLOC decision system. I used to defend INC as they are organised and well meaninged if they have an affair or a general congregation. It seems I was mistaken. INC PAKSHET. Sorry for the last word i muttered. Wasted time wasted effort wasted profit wasted gasoline.
I honestly would not blame INC.
Why?
Because this is the Philippines and it is a given that eventually a group of people will take their anger out at EDSA.
It has already happened 3+ times already.
Another #Proud2bPinoy moment! :)
Mar, DoJ and PNoy should know better and just leave INC alone. Or else Binay will take over.
God! I love religion!
Post by: jackryan on Aug 30, 2015 at 02:55 PM
It is very difficult to understand the main issue of "showing of force" just to insist that the government authorities back-off from a complaint by a citizen albeit one who has been recently expelled from their ranks by holding majority of the public at a hostage.
At the end of the day, this is another simple exploitation of the mostly uneducated masses. This is just blind faith following for most of the folks who let themselves be used by those up in the hierarchy for whatever vested interest they may have.
No different from the "hakot crowds" made mostly of folks from the C, D segments of society.
Meanwhile, those who have planned, instigated are far away and safely just monitoring how this turns out. The buck stops at Eduardo Manalo and he should man up and take the complaint thru the legal system --- http://tonyocruz.com/?p=4786
There is also an added dimension of where the are holding their protests and the significance of that area to mostly Catholic folks. If it was the reverse, a Catholic Church indignation rally is held at the area of the INC main church along Tandang Sora, how would they take it that the place is full of garbage during such rallies, moreso afterwards as evidenced when they vacated Padre Faura?
Post by: barrister on Aug 30, 2015 at 03:20 PM
It is very difficult to understand the main issue of "showing of force" just to insist that the government authorities back-off from a complaint by a citizen albeit one who has been recently expelled from their ranks by holding majority of the public at a hostage.
Sure, it's an INC show of force. Just as the RH Bill rallies were a Catholic show of force ---
CBCP president Archbishop Jose Palma of Cebu, in an interview with the Church-run Radio Veritas, said bishops were supportive of street rallies against the RH bill in the hope that the show of force would convince the lawmakers to vote against the measure, which they claim is antilife. http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/238069/take-rh-bill-protest-to-the-streets-bishops-urge-faithful#ixzz3kHNn1zWY (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/238069/take-rh-bill-protest-to-the-streets-bishops-urge-faithful#ixzz3kHNn1zWY)
Catholics make a show of force, no big deal. A different religion makes a show of force and they lose their minds.
Post by: Cruzader1986 on Aug 30, 2015 at 04:12 PM
Sure, it's an INC show of force. Just as the RH Bill rallies were a Catholic show of force ---
CBCP president Archbishop Jose Palma of Cebu, in an interview with the Church-run Radio Veritas, said bishops were supportive of street rallies against the RH bill in the hope that the show of force would convince the lawmakers to vote against the measure, which they claim is antilife. http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/238069/take-rh-bill-protest-to-the-streets-bishops-urge-faithful#ixzz3kHNn1zWY (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/238069/take-rh-bill-protest-to-the-streets-bishops-urge-faithful#ixzz3kHNn1zWY)
Catholics make a show of force, no big deal. A different religion makes a show of force and they lose their minds.
so you're saying that it is among the rights of the INC that they can be allowed to commit crimes and they are untouchable?
Post by: pao9307 on Aug 30, 2015 at 04:20 PM
Yung sinasabing dapat magalit din tayo sa katoliko tuwing black nazarene, feast ng kung sino sinong santo,etc e oo I agree with that. Hassle is hassle, regardless sino o ano ang pananampalataya.
Ang pinagkaiba sa tingin ko e yung mga prusesyon ng katoliko, e alam na ng lahat kelan at saan ginagawa. That way maiiwasan mo, pwede ka magplano in advance. E itong ginawa ng inc, gulatan. Natural na marami magagalit, gawin ba naman on a payday friday before a long weekend. Most likely premeditated for maximum effect.
Saka mga reasons nila for doing it, other than dun sa kaso ng ministro nila? Dinamay pa saf44. Anung kinalaman nun? Maaangas pa magpost ibang members nila, kesyo traffic naman na din daw edsa so anung difference, pasalamat daw tayo at ilang oras lang naman daw tayo naabala. Haha ok thank you then. ;D
Hindi na nga issue sakin na ibang religion pinaniniwalaan nila sa paniniwala ko. I would think that the repercussions would be the same kung ibang grupo din gumawa mg ginawa nila, under the same circumstances
Post by: jjjeronimo on Aug 30, 2015 at 04:23 PM
On the other hand, I think it is not the show of force per se which irks the people, rather it's the reason behind it. The INC show of force gives the impression that they are above the law. Their interpretation of Constitutional Separation of Church and State is twisted, at best for reasons that have been explained here many times over.
Post by: barrister on Aug 30, 2015 at 04:24 PM
so you're saying that it is among the rights of the INC that they can be allowed to commit crimes and they are untouchable?
Layo mo naman sir.
Ang sinasabi ko, when Catholics make a show of force, complain with the same vigor that that you complain against an INC show of force.
If you don't bother complaining against a Catholic show of force, then don't complain against an INC show of force either.
Post by: barrister on Aug 30, 2015 at 04:43 PM
Admittedly, I am annoyed by all sorts of rituals which disrupt the normal flow of daily life, be it a procession, a funeral or a mass action by any religious group.
I agree.
On the other hand, I think it is not the show of force per se which irks the people, rather it's the reason behind it. The INC show of force gives the impression that they are above the law. Their interpretation of Constitutional Separation of Church and State is twisted, at best for reasons that have been explained here many times over.
If the INC show of force gives the impression that they feel they are above the law, then the Catholic show of force against the then RH Bill should also give the impression that they feel they are above the law.
Otherwise, we discriminate against those whose opinion is different from ours.
You think the INC separation of church and state interpretation is twisted, and so do I. But it shouldn't matter what we think. As long as they have a right to hold a peaceful rally, our opinion about their causes should be irrelevant.
I also think the Catholic opposition to the then RH Bill was twisted. But if they have a right to hold a peaceful rally, then it shouldn't matter what I think about their reasons either.
If we criticize the INC's traffic-causing rally, we should also criticize all traffic-causing rallies of all other religions.
Post by: Cruzader1986 on Aug 30, 2015 at 04:52 PM
Layo mo naman sir.
Ang sinasabi ko, when Catholics make a show of force, complain with the same vigor that that you complain against an INC show of force.
If you don't bother complaining against a Catholic show of force, then don't complain against an INC show of force either.
why exactly would people complain about a group that is fighting for what they think is for their moral values?
ang layo rin ng comparison mo, rally sa RH Bill is the same as a rally to tell the law enforcers to stop a criminal investigation ba? One is a cause against anti-life, One is a cause for pro-crime.
kung maghahanap ka ng comparison, hanap ka na nag.rally mga Catholics due to a bishop or a priest was being investigated for a crime
Post by: barrister on Aug 30, 2015 at 05:03 PM
why exactly would people complain about a group that is fighting for what they think is for their moral values?
Because they don't think any religious group should impose their morality on others.
Dali naman ng tanong mo sir... ;)
ang layo rin ng comparison mo, rally sa RH Bill is the same as a rally to tell the law enforcers to stop a criminal investigation ba? One is a cause against anti-life, One is a cause for pro-crime.
The INC is not telling the DOJ to stop criminal investigation.
RH Bill as anti-life, paniniwalang Katoliko yon.
Lakas talaga ng bias mo, sir... :D
Post by: Cruzader1986 on Aug 30, 2015 at 05:05 PM
Because they don't think any religious group should impose their morality on others.
Dali naman ng tanong mo sir... ;)
The INC is not telling the DOJ to stop criminal investigation.
RH Bill as anti-life, paniniwalang Katoliko yon.
Lakas talaga ng bias mo, sir... :D
ows really? ayaw nila na ipahinto ang investigation? bakit puro seperation of church and state ang sinisigaw ng mga rallyista? bakit ang raming INC nagsasabi na di dapat maki.alam ang gobyerno kasi internal church affair yun?
at speaking of bias... who are the people who believe that their leader is above the law and di dapat imbestigahan?
Post by: barrister on Aug 30, 2015 at 05:16 PM
ang layo rin ng comparison mo, rally sa RH Bill is the same as a rally to tell the law enforcers to stop a criminal investigation ba?
The INC is not telling the DOJ to stop criminal investigation.
Ang usapan natin kanina, telling the DOJ to stop.
Ngayon, hindi na "telling the DOJ to stop" ang gusto mong pag-usapan. Hidden agenda speculation na ang gusto mo.
Pero OK lang yon sir. Sanay naman ako sa mga taong nagbabago ng katuwiran pag naiipit. :D
Post by: tenderfender on Aug 30, 2015 at 05:42 PM
Naglalakad na sila ppunta kay Mama Mary sa EDSA shrine! ^-^
Post by: bosyo on Aug 30, 2015 at 05:47 PM
Post by: Timithekid on Aug 30, 2015 at 05:49 PM
I agree.
If the INC show of force gives the impression that they feel they are above the law, then the Catholic show of force against the then RH Bill should also give the impression that they feel they are above the law.
Otherwise, we discriminate against those whose opinion is different from ours.
You think the INC separation of church and state interpretation is twisted, and so do I. But it shouldn't matter what we think. As long as they have a right to hold a peaceful rally, our opinion about their causes should be irrelevant.
I also think the Catholic opposition to the then RH Bill was twisted. But if they have a right to hold a peaceful rally, then it shouldn't matter what I think about their reasons either.
If we criticize the INC's traffic-causing rally, we should also criticize all traffic-causing rallies of all other religions.
Pero atty. Hindi naman ata lahat Ng inc event ay criticized, diba Menon silang annual event na Hindi naman tinitira Ng mga Tao kasi alam nilang mangyayari,, as far as I know parang itong rally lang NA Ito ang talagang pinansin ng mga Tao.
Post by: tony on Aug 30, 2015 at 05:52 PM
i will see it as a power grab......but they will never succeed...
it is only the sangguinan members that are in question here, not the church...
Post by: dpogs on Aug 30, 2015 at 06:00 PM
Nun nagrally sila to show their force last year... Di naman ganito reklamo namin...
Pero nang may magreklamo ng criminal case laban sa ilang member ng INC, magrarally sila ng separation of church and state...
May nag file ng case illegal detention, tapos isisigaw nila huwag makikialam ang gobyerno...
Paano na lang kung normal o hindi former member ang magfile ng kaso, untouchable pa rin?
Sala sa hulog ang sigaw nilang separation of church and state... Wala akong marinig sa ibang relihiyon na nagrally na ang topic ay ganyan, INC lang - na nagiindorse ng kandidato. Isigaw nila ang separation kung totigilan nila amg pagiindorso.
Post by: jjjeronimo on Aug 30, 2015 at 06:19 PM
The RH Bill rallies are about religious doctrines. (Pro RH Bill ako by the way)
This particular INC rally is about an on-going criminal investigation. May nagsampa ng kaso, nag-iimbistiga ang DOJ. How can that be an internal matter. And it has nothing to do with the government meddling with church doctrines.
Post by: tenderfender on Aug 30, 2015 at 06:23 PM
- EDSA tres
- Oakwood Mutiny
- (time will tell if makakasama dito 'INC peaceful assembly')
Post by: Cruzader1986 on Aug 30, 2015 at 06:36 PM
Post by: tonedeaf on Aug 30, 2015 at 06:46 PM
If INC does decide to "occupy EDSA" for the foreseeable future (I've been seeing reports of them asking for an extension of their permit), wonder how that will go? It will be the first time, to my recollection, that it will be done. Even EDSA 1 and EDSA dos lasted maybe only 3-4 days, right?
Post by: dodie on Aug 30, 2015 at 06:54 PM
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Eto sabi ni Mar: http://www.rappler.com/nation/104079-mar-roxas-inc-impinge-others-rights (http://www.rappler.com/nation/104079-mar-roxas-inc-impinge-others-rights)
- "Let us remember that ours is a Rule of Law and not of men."
Uy, ganda pakinggan! Mali raw ba ang INC sa pagbatikos kay De Lima?
- “While all citizens have the right to be heard and to peaceful assembly, the exercise of these rights cannot impinge on the rights of others or cause inconvenience to anyone, especially for other Filipinos going home to rest and be with their families..."
Traffic "inconvenience" lang pala ang sinasabi, hindi separation of church and state. Walang comment kung tama ba o mali si De Lima.
Mali ba ang INC sa ginagawang rally?
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HINDI BA PWEDENG ALL ENCOMPASING YUNG RULE OF LAW AND NOT OF MEN? AT BINIGYAN MO LANG ITO NG PAIKOT PARA PUMABOR SA ARGUMENTO MO SIR?
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Balik tayo dito:
- "Let us remember that ours is a Rule of Law and not of men."
Tama. Pero sumusunod naman sa rule of law ang INC rally.
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SA MABABAW NA PAGUNAWA BAKA ITO ANG NAIISIP NG IBA, PERO SA MGA INTILHENTENG TAO NA MAY KAPASIDAD NA MAGISIP NG HIGIT PA, MAY MAS MALALIM NA KAHULUGAN ANG SINABI NI SEC MAR...
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May legal na permits yon sa Manila and Mandaluyong. Ang utos ng pa ng pamunuan ng INC, huwag magsasalita na "ibagsak ang gobyerno." Kasi pag sinabi yon, criminal offense (Inciting to Sedition). E di sumusunod nga sa rule of law.
that is your opinion about the statement of sec mar....but i think it is much deeper that what you think....
Post by: dodie on Aug 30, 2015 at 07:00 PM
Paanong tatanggihan ng gobyerno ang permit application, e bigay sila nang bigay ng permit sa rally ng Katoliko? :D E di lalabas, discrimination pag hindi binigyan ng permit ang INC.
Yan ang sinasabi ko na pag Katoliko ang nang-abala sa traffic, walang magreklamo sa sangkatutak na Katoliko, kasi ok lang sa kanila, kapwa naman nila Katoliko, e. Ngayong sila ang naabala ng ibang relihiyon, ngawa naman nang ngawa...
sige nga sabihin nyo nga kung ano ano nag mga ginawang rally ng katoliko na sinasabi mo na bigay ng bigay ng permit ang gobyerno at wlang nagrereklamo dahil kapwa katoliko? magbigay ka nga ng halimbawa ng perwisyong ginawa na walang reklamo sa kapwa nya katoliko....baka lumabas ikaw lang ang ngawa ng ngawa sa paghahalintulad mo...
Post by: tony on Aug 30, 2015 at 07:31 PM
Sa totoo lang, any one who stages a rally in EDSA gets criticized. Whether Catholic, left leaning or the INC. In fact, there should be a ban on holding rallies in EDSA period. Exercise your freedom of assembly and freedom of expression elsewhere.
If INC does decide to "occupy EDSA" for the foreseeable future (I've been seeing reports of them asking for an extension of their permit), wonder how that will go? It will be the first time, to my recollection, that it will be done. Even EDSA 1 and EDSA dos lasted maybe only 3-4 days, right?
i am looking at a power grab in the making....
Post by: Hammerheart on Aug 30, 2015 at 07:40 PM
Post by: tony on Aug 30, 2015 at 07:42 PM
These are trying moments for the government.
let us see how the governmetn react to this one....
Post by: barrister on Aug 30, 2015 at 08:04 PM
Pero atty. Hindi naman ata lahat Ng inc event ay criticized, diba Menon silang annual event na Hindi naman tinitira Ng mga Tao kasi alam nilang mangyayari,, as far as I know parang itong rally lang NA Ito ang talagang pinansin ng mga Tao.
Tama ka naman diyan sir. Ito lang nga yata ang INC rally na pinulaan ng mga tao.
Sa totoo lang, any one who stages a rally in EDSA gets criticized. Whether Catholic, left leaning or the INC. In fact, there should be a ban on holding rallies in EDSA period. Exercise your freedom of assembly and freedom of expression elsewhere.
If INC does decide to "occupy EDSA" for the foreseeable future (I've been seeing reports of them asking for an extension of their permit), wonder how that will go? It will be the first time, to my recollection, that it will be done. Even EDSA 1 and EDSA dos lasted maybe only 3-4 days, right?
Nagtataka nga ako kung bakit ganong kaluwag ang issuance ng permits, sobrang tagal naman, lalo sa Manila.
Para sa akin, dapat no permits for EDSA. In this case, hindi lang binigyan na ng permit, sobrang tagal pa ng time period.
Post by: prototypeone on Aug 30, 2015 at 08:23 PM
Post by: oweidah on Aug 30, 2015 at 08:29 PM
i am looking at a power grab in the making....
powergrab sa inc o govt?
Post by: dpogs on Aug 30, 2015 at 08:32 PM
Tsaka sigaw nila separation of church and state eh number one silang tagalabag nito. Bad trip.
Post by: skoivan on Aug 30, 2015 at 08:45 PM
(1) Bakit kayo nagrarally against DeLima and the DOJ? There is a criminal allegation against EVM. May nagsampa ng kaso. Trabaho ng DOJ at ni DeLima na imbestigahan ito. Bakit kayo nagrarally against them doing their job?
(2) Why are you calling for a separation of church and state when everytime there's an election, isa sa major factors ay kung sinong kandidato ang ieendorse ng INC?
Please lang paki-explain. Gusto ko lang maintindihan.
Post by: thebat on Aug 30, 2015 at 09:08 PM
Post by: SiCkBoY on Aug 30, 2015 at 09:09 PM
Post by: ricky on Aug 30, 2015 at 09:26 PM
Separation of church and govt? Pero nanonood ako sa inctv and ang topic ay govt's wrong doings, nalito ako lalo.
Kung base sa news, ang alam ko walang complain against INC nor ka Eduardo, sa sanggunian ang complain.
Even si angel manalo hindi INC at kuya nya ang complain nya.
Hindi kami nag endorse ng politician, hindi pinapayagan yon, maniwala man kayo or hindi, talagang hindi iniendorse yon. Pero dahil sa turo na dapat magkaisa kami sa pagpili eh hinahayaan na namin ang tagapamahala kung sino ang nararapat. Karapatan ng bawat pilipino na bumoto, at yan lang ang ginagawa namin pero ang naiiba eh may kaisahan kami. Walang pinag iba sa isang pamilya na gusto ng ama ng tahanan na nagkakaisa sila sa pagdedesisyon.
Iresearch nyo sino si de lima. Matagal ko na alam kung kanino sya konektado , ngayon lang nagkaroon ng pagkakataon na lumabas ang layunin.
Im sure kung ano man kalabasan ng rally , hindi lang kaming mga INC members ang makikinabang.
Napakaliit lang namin para magdikta kung ano ang dapat mangyari. Kaya nga kami siguro nag rally para mapansin at madinig. Sana nga madinig.
Magsasalita daw si Ka Eduardo sa rally, yan ang inaabangan ng marami. Pag sya nag sabi, malaking bagay yon.
For the mean time wait and see muna. Konti pang pasensya mga kapwa ko pinoy. Konti pang pang unawa.
Sana even before the complain eh nag rally na kami re mrt, yolanda, gun permits, traffic etc para wala sanang kulay.
Aking pananaw lang ito at hindi ng INC.
Post by: jackryan on Aug 30, 2015 at 09:34 PM
Sure, it's an INC show of force. Just as the RH Bill rallies were a Catholic show of force ---
CBCP president Archbishop Jose Palma of Cebu, in an interview with the Church-run Radio Veritas, said bishops were supportive of street rallies against the RH bill in the hope that the show of force would convince the lawmakers to vote against the measure, which they claim is antilife. http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/238069/take-rh-bill-protest-to-the-streets-bishops-urge-faithful#ixzz3kHNn1zWY (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/238069/take-rh-bill-protest-to-the-streets-bishops-urge-faithful#ixzz3kHNn1zWY)
Catholics make a show of force, no big deal. A different religion makes a show of force and they lose their minds.
I don't think you get it... you keep on harping on one religion (in this case, Catholics) being "tolerated" to do such a thing while another (in this case, the INC), doing the same thing.
Disclaimer: I am a Catholic by religious preference and not a lawyer by schooling nor profession. But, I can profess to be a tax paying, Filipino citizen and I hope, law-abiding at the same time.
In short, part of the general public greatly "inconvenienced" by this 'show of force' by INC. I have friends in the INC, Muslims, Protestants, Mormons, Born-Again, etc. And, while I can respect that they have an internal matter to resolve, it crossed the "line" when an official complaint has been filled by one of their ex-member who I understand is a high-ranking official in their hierarchy, with the local authorities. That stated, as an ordinary citizen, I beg the question just like so many others, why the need for 'show of force', have the complaint been officially heard in the court of justice and let to follow the process for such official complaints?
As for Catholics, doing their own 'show of force', you are right. That is the case, but I don't remember that it was because they wanted the authorities to back-off in investigating the archbishop or cardinals of the Church
if an official complaint leading to an official investigation by the State is required to ascertain whether a crime has been indeed committed.
And if they want to 'show of force', can't they just do it inside the Phil Arena which they own anyway for their congregation's use?
Post by: ricky on Aug 30, 2015 at 09:38 PM
Post by: jackryan on Aug 30, 2015 at 09:39 PM
I think naka-tag yung INC and also Mr. Manalo directly on that post, so it would be difficult for them not to read it unless they just want to ignore because it contradicts their *real agenda*
And I quote:
Aug. 29, 2015
Ka Eduardo V. Manalo
Executive Minister
Iglesia ni Cristo
Dear Ka Eduardo:
I am respectfully addressing this letter to you as a fellow Filipino citizen and because you are the Iglesia ni Cristo’s executive minister, an honored and responsible position you have held since Sept. 7, 2009.
I am writing about events happening in Metro Manila that involve the INC:
On Aug. 28, INC members blocked or took over portions of EDSA in a mass demonstration that defies explanation and which paralyzed Metro Manila’s main avenue. The demonstration at EDSA-Shaw continues today, Aug. 29.
On Aug. 27-28, INC members also held a mass demonstration at Padre Faura – obstructing traffic and affecting operations of the Department of Justice, the University of the Philippines Manila and the Philippine General Hospital, among others.
Today is already the third day of INC mass demonstrations in Metro Manila and no official higher than the INC spokesperson has come out to explain to the public why.
Based on the application for a permit to rally filed by Bro. Erano Codera at the Manila City Hall, the plan is to hold more demonstrations until Sept. 4.
Ka Eduardo, as executive minister of INC, you have a moral obligation to the nation to give a frank and honest explanation for these mass demonstrations. These cannot start, continue and end without your knowledge and consent.
Perhaps after you speak, civil authorities led by President BS Aquino, DILG Secretary Mar Roxas, PNP Chief Ricardo Marquez, MMDA Chairman Francis Tolentino and concerned mayors would finally end their inaction over the paralysis at EDSA.
Ka Eduardo, with all due respect, is this about the complaint filed by Isaias Samson and others? The filing of a complaint is a legal recourse available to any aggrieved Filipino citizen, regardless of faith, and the government is duty-bound to act on it. We ask you to use your moral power to enjoin those who may be summoned by authorities to cooperate in the legal processes. Let the accusers and the accused face themselves, answer the charges and defend their innocence in a process that everyone would help make sure would be open, fair, free and without fear or favor. We need not belong to the same faith to hold on to a universal belief: The truth shall set the innocent free.
Ka Eduardo, please come out and tell us if there is anyone or any party trying to take advantage of the complaint to either get concessions from the INC or to unduly influence the INC’s voting preferences, ahead of the 2016 elections.
Ka Eduardo, we respect the right of all citizens to free expression, free assembly and religious freedom. Our national heroes, whose memory we commemorate this weekend, fought for these rights. We ask you to honor these same rights for everyone else.
Ka Eduardo, please come out and dispel the rising fears that the INC demonstrations are meant to pressure the premature dismissal of a pending complaint. Please come out and ask church members to respect journalists, critics and other citizens – and to not make threats or engage in any act of violence. Please come out and call on your church members to help authorities restore the free flow of persons and vehicles at EDSA. Please come out and tell the nation your side of the story – because your silence has only given way to misinterpretations and prejudgments against the undeclared objectives of the demonstrations and even the beliefs and public record of your church.
Ka Eduardo, your church is not at all defenseless and helpless. The INC has its own media network, capable of broadcasting your message on TV, radio, cable and the internet. You can easily come out and face the nation. Any delay dishonors your church and harms the solidarity we supposedly share as a nation
Let me close by saying: We may not share the same faith, but we share one nation and one citizenship. Whatever our differences, we are all Filipinos. Ka Eduardo, please come out, show moral leadership and put your trust in fellow Filipinos. We are eager to hear your side, and to see you directly lead your flock as the presiding minister of a mature and responsible 101-year old church rooted in a country we all share.
Maraming salamat po.
Respectfully yours,
Tonyo Cruz
A fellow Filipino citizen
Post by: pao9307 on Aug 30, 2015 at 09:57 PM
Post by: barrister on Aug 30, 2015 at 10:12 PM
I don't think you get it... you keep on harping on one religion (in this case, Catholics) being "tolerated" to do such a thing while another (in this case, the INC), doing the same thing.
... As for Catholics, doing their own 'show of force', you are right. That is the case, but I don't remember that it was because they wanted the authorities to back-off in investigating the archbishop or cardinals of the Church
if an official complaint leading to an official investigation by the State is required to ascertain whether a crime has been indeed committed.
You miss an important part of my point. Remember, I don't agree with the INC reason either.
However, whether I agree with the INC's reason or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is that the INC believes it is right.
The INC believes it is right, it gets permits, then conducts rallies. The rally is legal, so I don't blame the INC for our inconvenience.
But I do blame the persons responsible for issuing permits. No religious group should be allowed to conduct rallies that will cause monstrous traffic jams. The same should hold true for Catholics and any other religion.
Compare that with your view. You believe the INC reason for conducting a rally is wrong; therefore, the public should not be inconvenienced.
In other words, it's ok to inconvenience the public when you agree with the rallyists' cause. But it's not ok to inconvenience the public when you disagree with their cause.
Yet you don't seem to be blaming the persons responsible for issuing the permits.
Post by: SiCkBoY on Aug 30, 2015 at 10:20 PM
Mukhang may mas malalim na problema kaya nag rally kami. Sadly hindi KO lang alam kung ano. Conspiracy theory na gawa ng govt.? Honestly walang sinasabi, kung ibabase lang natin sa news ang dahilan, mukha ngang mababaw, pero kung paano kung may mas malalim na dahilan?
Separation of church and govt? Pero nanonood ako sa inctv and ang topic ay govt's wrong doings, nalito ako lalo.
If you don't know what you're fighting for, that is truly sad indeed. :(
Post by: jackryan on Aug 30, 2015 at 10:21 PM
I blame them all. For politicians, who are trapos. For local authorities, who gave them permits because they are afraid that INC block will not vote for them when they run for office. For Mr. Manalo for not being man enough to answer the very simple points raised in the thread above. I'll blame myself if I just keep my silence and suffer with all these shenanigans just because a religious block thinks they can 'show force' and 'bully' the authorities to submission and prevent them what is required by law once an official complaint is filed by a citizen of the State.
This is a systemic thing, if allowed to flourish in this state. No one should be above law. Not you, me, nor them.
We should stand for public officials who have the guts to call the obvious - De Lima?
By making a hyperbole of the permit being granted for the rally, looks like the obvious issue is not being addressed. For layman like myself, it is called a "distraction"
For all I care, they can protest all forever as they want, just do it somewhere that people are not made 'hostage' to their activities --- do it in Luneta, or Phil Arena for that matter!
Would you care to focus and see whether you think any of the points raised by Mr. Tony to Mr. Manalo is valid or not? Perhaps, that would be a more productive rendition of how we can help educate people on what the real issue is all about and how we can progress and move forward in getting a positive, productive state.
That my friend, I think is the bigger issue worth addressing... have fun!
Post by: jackryan on Aug 30, 2015 at 10:26 PM
Nun anniv... Di naman ganito reklamo namin...
Nun nagrally sila to show their force last year... Di naman ganito reklamo namin...
Pero nang may magreklamo ng criminal case laban sa ilang member ng INC, magrarally sila ng separation of church and state...
May nag file ng case illegal detention, tapos isisigaw nila huwag makikialam ang gobyerno...
Paano na lang kung normal o hindi former member ang magfile ng kaso, untouchable pa rin?
Sala sa hulog ang sigaw nilang separation of church and state... Wala akong marinig sa ibang relihiyon na nagrally na ang topic ay ganyan, INC lang - na nagiindorse ng kandidato. Isigaw nila ang separation kung totigilan nila amg pagiindorso.
Post by: SiCkBoY on Aug 30, 2015 at 10:26 PM
You miss an important part of my point. Remember, I don't agree with the INC reason either.Ang sarap i-quote!
However, whether I agree with the INC's reason or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is that the INC believes it is right.
The INC believes it is right, it gets permits, then conducts rallies. The rally is legal, so I don't blame the INC for our inconvenience.
But I do blame the persons responsible for issuing permits. No religious group should be allowed to conduct rallies that will cause monstrous traffic jams. The same should hold true for Catholics and any other religion.
Compare that with your view. You believe the INC reason for conducting a rally is wrong; therefore, the public should not be inconvenienced.
In other words, it's ok to inconvenience the public when you agree with the rallyists' cause. But it's not ok to inconvenience the public when you disagree with their cause.
Yet you don't seem to be blaming the persons responsible for issuing the permits.
Post by: frequenzy on Aug 30, 2015 at 10:30 PM
Post by: ricky on Aug 30, 2015 at 10:40 PM
Bro ricky, re bloc voting. Could you enlighten us ano ang repercussion,if any,once a member is found to have voted against who manalo has endorsed?
Hmmm, hindi ko alam ano mangyayari pero im sure wala naman. Hindi naman kasi malalaman ng iba kung sumunod ka or hindi di ba since ikaw lang at ang Diyos ang nasa booth.
Ako sumusunod na lang ako, kasi sa totoo lang wala naman ako mapili talaga, minsan nga ayoko bumoto eh para lang wag mag kamali.
If you don't know what you're fighting for, that is truly sad indeed. :(
Sad indeed, pero baka kami lang ang hindi nakaka alam o nakaka unawa sa mag anak ko.
interesting logic... but flawed or is it called a "fallacy"?
I blame them all. For politicians, who are trapos. For local authorities, who gave them permits because they are afraid that INC block will not vote for them when they run for office. For Mr. Manalo for not being man enough to answer the very simple points raised in the thread above. I'll blame myself if I just keep my silence and suffer with all these shenanigans just because a religious block thinks they can 'show force' and 'bully' the authorities to submission and prevent them what is required by law once an official complaint is filed by a citizen of the State.
This is a systemic thing, if allowed to flourish in this state. No one should be above law. Not you, me, nor them.
We should stand for public officials who have the guts to call the obvious - De Lima?
By making a hyperbole of the permit being granted for the rally, looks like the obvious issue is not being addressed. For layman like myself, it is called a "distraction"
For all I care, they can protest all forever as they want, just do it somewhere that people are not made 'hostage' to their activities --- do it in Luneta, or Phil Arena for that matter!
Would you care to focus and see whether you think any of the points raised by Mr. Tony to Mr. Manalo is valid or not? Perhaps, that would be a more productive rendition of how we can help educate people on what the real issue is all about and how we can progress and move forward in getting a positive, productive state.
That my friend, I think is the bigger issue worth addressing... have fun!
I dont think he needs to answer anything that this supposed mr. Tony is asking. Sa amin naman wala din nagtatanong, ako lang, hindi pa sa kanila ako nag tanong , so guess what, fault ko yon.
para kasing sinasadya ng INC to inconvenience the people just to prove na kaya nila. walang problema kung sa arena sila mag rally. i also don't think its about religion, galit ang mga tao sa nagrally hindi dahil INC sila kundi dahil nakakaperwisyo sila.
I agree kahit hindi dapat ako umagree. Yes yan yata ang goal ng rally, kahit sabihin na peaceful pa basta naka inconvenienced ka medyo expect mo may maririnig ka hindi maganda. Ang point lang naman sana hindi dahil INC kaya naiinis or nagagalit ang tao kung hindi dahil sa abala.
Sana may mag interview sa mga nag bigay ng permits ano dahilan nila sa pagbibigay ng permit.
Jackryan hindi pwede sa arena, kasi hindi mapapansin at malamang hindi dinggin ang apela. Ngayon whether edsa, padre paura or luneta pa yan , ganoon din, sa dami ng dadalo malamang talaga maka abala kami. Yun nga lang mukhang mas galit ang tao kasi INC nga ang may gawa.
Natatawa nga ako kasi sabi nun nag rally kami sa faura eh bumaho yun lugar at naging madumi. Pumupunta ako sa lugar na yon, kahit walang rally eh mapanghi at madumi yun lugar, kahit sa pedro gil st ganoon din. Oo nakadagdag siguro kami sa dumi pero im sure hindi lang kami ang cause ng panghi at dumi. Kami pa nga naglinis eh.
Post by: barrister on Aug 30, 2015 at 10:42 PM
This is a systemic thing, if allowed to flourish in this state. No one should be above law. Not you, me, nor them.
I agree. No one should be above the law.
But the INC is following the law. It got permits before holding the rally.
By making a hyperbole of the permit being granted for the rally, looks like the obvious issue is not being addressed. For layman like myself, it is called a "distraction"
No one is above the law. And the permit is relevant to show that the INC is not violating any law.
Very simple.
Would you care to focus and see whether you think any of the points raised by Mr. Tony to Mr. Manalo is valid or not? Perhaps, that would be a more productive rendition of how we can help educate people on what the real issue is all about and how we can progress and move forward in getting a positive, productive state.
That my friend, I think is the bigger issue worth addressing... have fun!
To you, the bigger issue is your disagreement with their cause.
Free speech to those you agree with; no free speech to those you disagree with.
That's your idea of a "positive, productive state."
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“Most people do not really want others to have freedom of speech, they just want others to be given the freedom to say what they want to hear.” - Mokokoma Mokhonoana
Post by: jackryan on Aug 30, 2015 at 10:44 PM
para kasing sinasadya ng INC to inconvenience the people just to prove na kaya nila. walang problema kung sa arena sila mag rally. i also don't think its about religion, galit ang mga tao sa nagrally hindi dahil INC sila kundi dahil nakakaperwisyo sila.
This is I think best to para-phrase, if not quote --- "Huwag maging perwisyo sa kapwa mo!!!" :)
Alright, time to hit the bed. Tom is another day to hit the traffic jam caused by these folks. :)
Post by: CeeV on Aug 30, 2015 at 10:49 PM
Galit ang tao kase they don't Walk the Talk....ang dami pangaral na mostly self serving, but look at their practice.
Galit ang tao kase, Politician tends to ignore or bow to them dahil sa block voting nila. It breeds contempt.
At ang isa sa kinaiinis ko personally yung kapag me issue ang sagot is baket yung iba ganun? Why keep on blaming others and not answer the point straight, no beating around the bush. Well hindi naman lahat pero sa personal experience ko mas nakakarami ang ganun.
Post by: jackryan on Aug 30, 2015 at 10:51 PM
I agree. No one should be above the law.
But the INC is following the law. It got permits before holding the rally.
No one is above the law. And the permit is relevant to show that the INC is not violating any law.
Very simple.
To you, the bigger issue is your disagreement with their cause.
Free speech to those you agree with; no free speech to those you disagree with.
That's your idea of a "positive, productive state."
Interesting... but won't bite your bait.
You're educated enough to know what is right from wrong... try to read Mr. Tonyo's post to Mr. Manalo and see if that is in line with a "positive, productive state".
While you are at it... can you care to state for the record if you are INC, RC, Muslim... just needed to know the whole context of your line of reasoning since I cannot really believe myself that you seem to be doing selective statements.
Promise, last post for the night. You won't get brownie points for brow beating folks if they don't tie-up to your line of reasoning... I don't think if you care to read my posts carefully that those were my statements... back-read while you are at it, carefully if you can as you owe it to yourself, my friend.
We can agree to disagree on permits and all.
Just help me get educated on whether the post of Mr. Tonyo to Mr. Manalo makes perfect sense or not.
Plus, of course, should we care less if a lot of us are inconvenienced timing wise in hours of traffic because of this? That my friend, is where my bias is coming from.
Ask yourself, where your's is coming from... have fun!
Post by: barrister on Aug 30, 2015 at 10:56 PM
Promise, last post for the night.
Ganyan talaga ang effect ng mga post ko, sir.
They can't resist replying just one more time... :D
Post by: ricky on Aug 30, 2015 at 11:00 PM
Ika 4th day na ng rally yet wala pa din nakikipag usap sa pamunuan to resolve or even clear the issue para matapos na.
Nag rally sa doj andoon si de lima may party pa at nagkantahan pero hindi man lang nag attempt na makipag usap sana man lang.
Sa mga mayors na nagbigay ng permit , ano kaya dahilan nila? Para sa boto hahayaan nila na maka abala ng marami?
Show of force, bale wala sa bingi bingihan at bulag bulagan nating pamahalaan. Paano kung sige ang rally? Paano na tayong lahat? Yung mag rarally sa amin, sa dami namin pwede kami magpalit palit ng tao araw araw pero ang maaabala yon at yon pa rin. Kaya nga siguro inilipat sa edsa kasi 2 days sa faura halos no effect.
Post by: jjjeronimo on Aug 30, 2015 at 11:04 PM
Post by: barrister on Aug 30, 2015 at 11:13 PM
Mas nakakalungkot eh wala na yata talaga pakialam sa atin amg gobyerno natin.
Ika 4th day na ng rally yet wala pa din nakikipag usap sa pamunuan to resolve or even clear the issue para matapos na.
Nag rally sa doj andoon si de lima may party pa at nagkantahan pero hindi man lang nag attempt na makipag usap sana man lang.
Sa mga mayors na nagbigay ng permit , ano kaya dahilan nila? Para sa boto hahayaan nila na maka abala ng marami?
Show of force, bale wala sa bingi bingihan at bulag bulagan nating pamahalaan. Paano kung sige ang rally? Paano na tayong lahat? Yung mag rarally sa amin, sa dami namin pwede kami magpalit palit ng tao araw araw pero ang maaabala yon at yon pa rin. Kaya nga siguro inilipat sa edsa kasi 2 days sa faura halos no effect.
It's not a good move on the part of the INC.
The only one backing down from this stalemate is the INC. The government cannot back down. If they do, it makes them look weak.
On the other hand, the INC has to call off the rally sooner or later. When they do and the government does not budge, the INC exposes itself as a paper tiger.
That's what this rally is doing to your group. It shows the country that the INC is not so powerful after all.
The only way out for the INC is if the government asks for a dialog. The INC agrees to the dialog and calls off the rally.
If the government does not ask for a dialog, that's going to be a problem.
Post by: ricky on Aug 30, 2015 at 11:22 PM
Nagsalita na si mayor abalos ng manadaluyong, up to 12midnight but extended up to tom morning ONLY then balik na sa manila. Susunod naman kami kaya its good. Sana lang magka dialog na para matapos na. Wala naman hindi naaayos sa mabuting usapan. Buti na lang at may balls kahit papaano si mayor Abalos at nag bigay sya ng deadline.
Post by: Waxx on Aug 30, 2015 at 11:29 PM
anyways, atty barrister has a point here... inc had its permit, so technically, theyre not breaking the law... kahit anong ikot natin, be it lbgt issue, if the pro lbgt were able to secure a permit to demonstrate sa edsa for 5 days, and they were able to get supporters to the millions, wala tayong magagawa.. we can be inconvenienced and complain, pero wala theyre not breaking any law.
i am not inc, nor catholic.. i am born again christian. and although i dont agree with the reasons of inc, thats my opinion. but i have to agree with atty barrister. no law was broken because inc had permits.
kung walang permit and nag rally, ibang usapan na yun.
Post by: bartender on Aug 30, 2015 at 11:36 PM
I agree. No one should be above the law.
But the INC is following the law. It got permits before holding the rally.
No one is above the law. And the permit is relevant to show that the INC is not violating any law.
Very simple.
To you, the bigger issue is your disagreement with their cause.
Free speech to those you agree with; no free speech to those you disagree with.
That's your idea of a "positive, productive state."
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“Most people do not really want others to have freedom of speech, they just want others to be given the freedom to say what they want to hear.” - Mokokoma Mokhonoana
Just to clarify: when they went to the EDSA shrine, they had no permit. They were being accommodated in the QC Memorial Circle but they refused. Right there they could have been dispersed for having no permit and the inconvenience minimized or shortened. If it was a simple case of freedom of expression, whether EDSA shrine or QC Circle, would not have mattered unless their point had something to do with the location.
More than simply voicing out their thought, it was more pestering a lot of people so they can get attention. In my mind, that is no different from a brat trying to get his way.
Post by: bartender on Aug 30, 2015 at 11:41 PM
Post by: disturbed on Aug 30, 2015 at 11:43 PM
About sa bloc voting, wala naman makaka alam kung binoto mo yung napili nila, pero most of the time pag malapit na election eh ung mga doctrines is about sa pagsunod and pakikiisa. Pag hindi ka sumunod mapaparusahan ka ng diyos.
I hope ma settle na mga issue and hopefully everything will end peacefully.
Post by: Verbl Kint on Aug 30, 2015 at 11:53 PM
Post by: Branded_Things on Aug 31, 2015 at 12:13 AM
Pare yan lang pinag daanan mo, kami yung samahan namin nakasalalay. Hindi ako hihingi ng pasensya sa inyo kasi pati kami din naman naabala at napeperwisyo sa kagagawan ng iilang tao.
So question lang. Who will pay for my lost profit, revenue and time? The gov't? Iglesia? Sorry Sir Ricky, its very simple, I need to work and to earn to provide for my family. So being unable to go to an event where i am supposed to cover a family happening means I have to do a lot of explaining and I have to look for other people (within the area) to fill in for me, and that would mean loss of trust from the side of the client, loss of a potential follow-up work, loss of income as I have to pay the one filling in for me the money paid to me by the client. I am a fair supplier, if its not me who will cover. I pay the one who fills in for me the full amount the client gave me. And as an events photographer that means I only work during weekends and thats my bread and butter. So again I am sorry I you think na "yan lang pinag-dadaanan mo" for me its critical and important as it is my BREAD & BUTTER alone which I think you don't seem to understand or grasp.
Post by: bashi on Aug 31, 2015 at 12:19 AM
Post by: CoolTOYZPH on Aug 31, 2015 at 12:28 AM
A graceful exit for the INC is that they use the non-extension of the Rally Permit to disperse.
At this stage I can say Filipinos will easily forget the trouble caused to many.
But if they extend the MOB mentality and cause further inconvenience to the general public... I pity the INC members who are in the minority where they work, study, and live.
It's not a good move on the part of the INC.
The only one backing down from this stalemate is the INC. The government cannot back down. If they do, it makes them look weak.
On the other hand, the INC has to call off the rally sooner or later. When they do and the government does not budge, the INC exposes itself as a paper tiger.
That's what this rally is doing to your group. It shows the country that the INC is not so powerful after all.
The only way out for the INC is if the government asks for a dialog. The INC agrees to the dialog and calls off the rally.
If the government does not ask for a dialog, that's going to be a problem.
Post by: barrister on Aug 31, 2015 at 12:29 AM
Just to clarify: when they went to the EDSA shrine, they had no permit.
Thanks for the info, sir bartender. Hindi ko alam yon.
There are reports nang harass sila ng motorists passing thru binabato at hinahampas mga sasakyan
Parang may narinig nga akong ganyan sa AM radio kanina. Nasa background lang kasi yung radyo, hindi ko nakuha ang details.
I agree with you.
A graceful exit for the INC is that they use the non-extension of the Rally Permit to disperse.
At this stage I can say Filipinos will easily forget the trouble caused to many.
But if they extend the MOB mentality and cause further inconvenience to the general public... I pity the INC members who are in the minority where they work, study, and live.
Tama rin.
Maganda yung "graceful exit" na phrase mo sir. Yan ang kailangan nila ngayon.
Post by: bashi on Aug 31, 2015 at 12:32 AM
It's actually happening now, yun sis in law ko who lives in Mandaluyong can't go home kasi nanghaharang na daw ng sasakyan..... Bakit hinahayaan ito lumalala by both the government and the INC leaders, I wouldn't be surprised if me barilin dyan
Thanks for the info, sir bartender. Hindi ko alam yon.
Parang may narinig nga akong ganyan sa AM radio kanina. Nasa background lang kasi yung radyo, hindi ko nakuha ang details.
Post by: krets pulpol on Aug 31, 2015 at 12:57 AM
I don't see why the INC is crying foul over separation of church and state. We all know some prominent INC members hold key positions in government and some say the leaders lobbied in exchange of goodwill if you say during elections. Some also hold key positions in the judiciary and executive branches of government.
May pinagdadaanan ang INC kaya pagpasensyahan. Parang kaibigan na may pinagdadaanan, kailangang unawain. Pero kapag nakakaperwisyo na at di na nakakatuwa kasi apektado ang nakararami eh tigilan na muna ang kadramahan. Mas marami pang importanteng bagay sa mundo hindi lang ikaw o kayo. Kung ang kaibigan mo ay nangaabala na sa kalye dahil lang sa away sa bahay tapos nakialam ang tanod o pulis tapos sasabihin sa lahat na wag makialam dahil away pamilya lang yun, tama ba?
Post by: bass_nut on Aug 31, 2015 at 01:07 AM
sincerely praying that
1) leaders on both sides maintain peace and order (crowd control) such that
2) violence will not erupt.
Post by: godlike00 on Aug 31, 2015 at 01:40 AM
Post by: krets pulpol on Aug 31, 2015 at 01:51 AM
Post by: CoolTOYZPH on Aug 31, 2015 at 02:18 AM
http://www.manilatimes.net/reap-the-whirlwind-whats-behind-the-inc-revolt/214373/
Post by: oweidah on Aug 31, 2015 at 02:46 AM
Post by: toys4geeks on Aug 31, 2015 at 02:47 AM
It will be more credible if it is stated by INC leader Eduardo Manalo personally.+1
Post by: oweidah on Aug 31, 2015 at 03:22 AM
and inc from provinces coming in
yari trapik nyan
Post by: istan on Aug 31, 2015 at 03:24 AM
Threat ba to?
Post by: dpogs on Aug 31, 2015 at 03:46 AM
Post by: toys4geeks on Aug 31, 2015 at 05:18 AM
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/717732/watch-iglesia-video-shows-de-lima-as-demon-in-disguise&ved=0CBsQqQIwAGoVChMIn6TM7N3RxwIVzh2OCh1-rA4I&usg=AFQjCNGqAHheNP97YEHMfQBXriOuciVB1g&sig2=GQmovFhqgwUecuv6RiRrJA
Hmmm. I wonder even more what's the objective of those behind supporting this move oust DE Lima lang ba talaga ito?
Post by: oweidah on Aug 31, 2015 at 06:05 AM
Post by: tony on Aug 31, 2015 at 06:42 AM
Just saw an INC video rendering de lima as a demon In disguise, and as a barber cutting hair later showed a bald guy that looked like PNoy. Are they also attacking Pnoy as behind De Lima?
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/717732/watch-iglesia-video-shows-de-lima-as-demon-in-disguise&ved=0CBsQqQIwAGoVChMIn6TM7N3RxwIVzh2OCh1-rA4I&usg=AFQjCNGqAHheNP97YEHMfQBXriOuciVB1g&sig2=GQmovFhqgwUecuv6RiRrJA
Hmmm. I wonder even more what's the objective of those behind supporting this move oust DE Lima lang ba talaga ito?
the kingmakers now wants to be kings...
i hope they don't reach a point of no return,
and unlike the other peaceful rebellions, public opinion is not on their side...
Post by: jerix on Aug 31, 2015 at 06:47 AM
Post by: NongP on Aug 31, 2015 at 07:32 AM
Post by: jackryan on Aug 31, 2015 at 07:34 AM
If the permit rally does not specify for such illegal parking on these major roads, just issue them parking tickets and tow them away.
Thoughts?
Post by: jackryan on Aug 31, 2015 at 07:39 AM
So question lang. Who will pay for my lost profit, revenue and time? The gov't? Iglesia? Sorry Sir Ricky, its very simple, I need to work and to earn to provide for my family. So being unable to go to an event where i am supposed to cover a family happening means I have to do a lot of explaining and I have to look for other people (within the area) to fill in for me, and that would mean loss of trust from the side of the client, loss of a potential follow-up work, loss of income as I have to pay the one filling in for me the money paid to me by the client. I am a fair supplier, if its not me who will cover. I pay the one who fills in for me the full amount the client gave me. And as an events photographer that means I only work during weekends and thats my bread and butter. So again I am sorry I you think na "yan lang pinag-dadaanan mo" for me its critical and important as it is my BREAD & BUTTER alone which I think you don't seem to understand or grasp.
Post by: Cruzader1986 on Aug 31, 2015 at 07:44 AM
Just saw an INC video rendering de lima as a demon In disguise, and as a barber cutting hair later showed a bald guy that looked like PNoy. Are they also attacking Pnoy as behind De Lima?
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/717732/watch-iglesia-video-shows-de-lima-as-demon-in-disguise&ved=0CBsQqQIwAGoVChMIn6TM7N3RxwIVzh2OCh1-rA4I&usg=AFQjCNGqAHheNP97YEHMfQBXriOuciVB1g&sig2=GQmovFhqgwUecuv6RiRrJA
Hmmm. I wonder even more what's the objective of those behind supporting this move oust DE Lima lang ba talaga ito?
malaking kapalpakan to ng Kulto ni Manalo. De Lima is egotistical and known to be maldita, kung before trabaho lang ginagawa... ngayon personal nato and she might support the case more vigilantly now. hahahahaha
Post by: jerix on Aug 31, 2015 at 07:46 AM
Post by: jerix on Aug 31, 2015 at 07:48 AM
malaking kapalpakan to ng Kulto ni Manalo. De Lima is egotistical and known to be maldita, kung before trabaho lang ginagawa... ngayon personal nato and she might support the case more vigilantly now. hahahahaha
Bro you may be wrong now here, the INC is no longer of the Manalo's but the greater force, the Sanggunian, as they call it.
Post by: tony on Aug 31, 2015 at 07:51 AM
Post by: tony on Aug 31, 2015 at 07:52 AM
Bro you may be wrong now here, the INC is no longer of the Manalo's but the greater force, the Sanggunian, as they call it.
like in China, any ruling clique will have a ruler, Ka Manalo may even be just a figure head for all we know...
Post by: toys4geeks on Aug 31, 2015 at 08:05 AM
Out of curiosity, if one is given a permit to rally, does it automatically include the permit to park buses and jeepneys along the major thoroughfares? As I see it in the morning news, if you take away those illegally parked jeepneys, buses and cars of INC rallyists, traffic can at least flow better.Ok yan. Drop off and pickup lang.
If the permit rally does not specify for such illegal parking on these major roads, just issue them parking tickets and tow them away.
Thoughts?
But di ba inconvenience = bring attention to the issue nila? Di kaya kasama sa tools yan? Ibang case iyo kasi
I've seen other INC events before marami at solid and very organized and we'll communicated to lessen public inconvenience Kaya Saludo ako sa kanila.
Meron ngang bus hatid na kinaladkad yung suv basa daw kasi daan.
Post by: jackryan on Aug 31, 2015 at 08:11 AM
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Post by: tony on Aug 31, 2015 at 08:18 AM
the INC spokesman will be interviewed by Ted Failon over at dzmm teleradyo...
Edwin Lazierda will also speak to Failon....
Post by: Moks007 on Aug 31, 2015 at 08:27 AM
Post by: ricky on Aug 31, 2015 at 08:45 AM
So question lang. Who will pay for my lost profit, revenue and time? The gov't? Iglesia? Sorry Sir Ricky, its very simple, I need to work and to earn to provide for my family. So being unable to go to an event where i am supposed to cover a family happening means I have to do a lot of explaining and I have to look for other people (within the area) to fill in for me, and that would mean loss of trust from the side of the client, loss of a potential follow-up work, loss of income as I have to pay the one filling in for me the money paid to me by the client. I am a fair supplier, if its not me who will cover. I pay the one who fills in for me the full amount the client gave me. And as an events photographer that means I only work during weekends and thats my bread and butter. So again I am sorry I you think na "yan lang pinag-dadaanan mo" for me its critical and important as it is my BREAD & BUTTER alone which I think you don't seem to understand or grasp.
Sorry sir if i sounded insensitive, not my intention. And you are right, bakit ka maaapektuhan sa isang bagay na wala ka naman kinalaman. Pasensya na muna tayong lahat. Wait and see mode.
Post by: Cruzader1986 on Aug 31, 2015 at 08:46 AM
Post by: tonedeaf on Aug 31, 2015 at 08:47 AM
I hope the government does not back down. It's bad enough that unli - permits were given by the LGUs. But if the National government initiates the dialogue to make the people leave EDSA, it will show that it is afraid of INC.
It's not a good move on the part of the INC.
The only one backing down from this stalemate is the INC. The government cannot back down. If they do, it makes them look weak.
On the other hand, the INC has to call off the rally sooner or later. When they do and the government does not budge, the INC exposes itself as a paper tiger.
That's what this rally is doing to your group. It shows the country that the INC is not so powerful after all.
The only way out for the INC is if the government asks for a dialog. The INC agrees to the dialog and calls off the rally.
If the government does not ask for a dialog, that's going to be a problem.
Post by: tenderfender on Aug 31, 2015 at 08:49 AM
officially ay tinapos na daw ung rally sa edsa shaw.
So nakamit ba ang pinaglalaban?
1. Edsa tres
2. Oakwood mutiny
3. Monsters INC. sa shaw
Post by: Superman on Aug 31, 2015 at 08:59 AM
Post by: toys4geeks on Aug 31, 2015 at 09:07 AM
I wanna know the real reason they are doing this. Last night i was watching inctv and listening to the speaker. He said something like "sinuportahan natin tapos sinaksak tayo sa likod" ... Kaya i want to know what is this all about. Be specific. Imo nobody should be above the law.Aba. That , pdvders, points to PNOY. Anong pagtataksil ang ginawa ni Pnoy sa sanggunian? Isiwalat na ang kasalanan na puno't dulo ng masidhing dahilan kaya umaksyon.
Post by: toys4geeks on Aug 31, 2015 at 09:09 AM
It may have ended in EDSA/Shaw BUT they're just starting in Bacolod, Cebu and here in DavaoI hope hindi umabot sa punto they will paralyze economy and fuel unrest.
Post by: tony on Aug 31, 2015 at 09:22 AM
Post by: bumblebee on Aug 31, 2015 at 09:37 AM
Post by: toys4geeks on Aug 31, 2015 at 09:43 AM
Up to Sept 4 daw ang permit sa Manila. Bakasyon na naman?Naku po. 2.5 hours ako nung faura rally. Ayun pagod na pagod ang alaga ko di na naka aral pag uwi.
Post by: bumblebee on Aug 31, 2015 at 09:48 AM
Naku po. 2.5 hours ako nung faura rally. Ayun pagod na pagod ang alaga ko di na naka aral pag uwi.
I hope the INC (and everybody else) realize that just because they(we) can, does't mean they(we) should.
Post by: frequenzy on Aug 31, 2015 at 09:56 AM
Post by: edzpen2022 on Aug 31, 2015 at 10:06 AM
Separation of church and state daw, eh, bakit sila naglobby sila ng gov't positions.
Dapat actually dyan hulihin yung leader ng sanggunian, pero walang magagawa gobyerno, takot mabawasan boto.
Nakaka awa naman tong bayan natin, nakokontrol ng isang kulto ang political desisyon ng leader.
I bet yung ibang kasapi, di alam yung totoong reason bakit nagpatawag ng rally. Di natin masabi kung nilalabas nila yung totoong kwento sa mga circulars nila, malamang meron silang itatago, kasi kung umalingasaw ang "baho" baka marami tumiwalag, at mababawasan na income ng Manalo.
After this event, medyo nawala na ako ng bilib sa grupong ito. I have friends who are members of the INC, yung isa mahilig mambully, alam ko, kasi pati ako binubully dati, tumigil lang ng sinapak ko. Meron pang isa, mas mabait naman, pero collector ng FHM magazine, at sya pa nag organize ng stag party ng isang kasama namin na katoliko nung ikakasal na, pero mas cool sya.
Kung saan tayo dadalhin nitong event na ito, malalaman natin yan in the next few months. Good Luck Pilipinas!
Post by: toys4geeks on Aug 31, 2015 at 10:07 AM
I hope the INC (and everybody else) realize that just because they(we) can, does't mean they(we) should.Gusto ko talagang intindihin ang sanhi nyan para mapaliwanag ko ng mahinahon at walang kiling sa alaga ko.
Wait and see ano ang lalim ng hinaing. baka naman me pinangako o panggigipit si NG sa INC eh sanay magkalinaw na.
Post by: GIJoe on Aug 31, 2015 at 10:19 AM
Isa pa ok lang mag rally if di makaistorbo ng iba. Tama kasama ba sa permit na gawing paradahan ang kalye like nung ginawa sa NLEX nung aniversary nila. Yung mga basura nila nagkalat din di ba puwede na ipunin nila at itapon ng maayos. ;D ;D ;D
Gusto ko talagang intindihin ang sanhi nyan para mapaliwanag ko ng mahinahon at walang kiling sa alaga ko.
Wait and see ano ang lalim ng hinaing. baka naman me pinangako o panggigipit si NG sa INC eh sanay magkalinaw na.
Kahit sino yata like maintindihan ano talaga ung dahilan bat sila nag rally? Ito pa narinig ko dati kinukuha sila ng SM na empleyado kasi di daw sila sumasama sa unyon para mag rally pero ngayon nag rally sila na napakalaking abala sa ibang tao. ??? ???
Post by: toys4geeks on Aug 31, 2015 at 11:12 AM
We need to be convinced Pnoy's betrayal to INC really deserved the same anger public expressed Sa abalang dulot ng biglaang kilos. Sama ko djan kung talagang may malalim na dahilan.
Edsa 1 got rid of a dictator that raked billions.
Pnoy 6 years and he is no saint, what is going for him is our economy performed ok , kaso Daang Matuwid nya me Toll fee (conditions) madami ring sablay
Dahil kulang pang impormasyon sa usapin, karamihan tanggap si Pnoy para na lang sa kinabukasan ng sunod na henerasyon.
Pag luminaw yang mukhang napakalaking kasalanan nya sa INC, huhusgahan siya at kanyang buong lupon ng taong bayan sa 2016.
Post by: dpogs on Aug 31, 2015 at 11:49 AM
Humingi na ang mga nagrally ng paumanhin.
Post by: Cruzader1986 on Aug 31, 2015 at 12:21 PM
Kawawa naman un mga halaman sa center aisle, inapak apakan.
Humingi na ang mga nagrally ng paumanhin.
according to some of those cult members, di daw rally ginawa nila kasi forbidden yun. "Peaceful Vigil" lang daw ang ginawa nila
Post by: bashi on Aug 31, 2015 at 12:24 PM
Post by: zonks on Aug 31, 2015 at 12:46 PM
according to some of those cult members, di daw rally ginawa nila kasi forbidden yun. "Peaceful Vigil" lang daw ang ginawa nilajoke joke joke
Post by: GIJoe on Aug 31, 2015 at 12:50 PM
according to some of those cult members, di daw rally ginawa nila kasi forbidden yun. "Peaceful Vigil" lang daw ang ginawa nila
Vigil na pati natutulog ay kanilang iniistorbo sa pagtulog? Sa dami ng istorbo na kasama na ginawa peaceful pa ba yun?
Pati mga sasakyan na dumadaan binabato at kinakalampag ano un para sumama sa kanila? ::) ::) ::)
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No one is above the law even the president.
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Post by: tony on Aug 31, 2015 at 12:51 PM
Post by: Cruzader1986 on Aug 31, 2015 at 12:52 PM
joke joke joke
nope, serious ko. I talked to a few friends about it. They truly believe that all they did was a peaceful vigil.
Post by: zonks on Aug 31, 2015 at 12:58 PM
Post by: tony on Aug 31, 2015 at 01:02 PM
Post by: tony on Aug 31, 2015 at 01:03 PM
nope, serious ko. I talked to a few friends about it. They truly believe that all they did was a peaceful vigil.
they can call it all every which way they want....
pero sa totoo marami silang naperhuwisyo, at sigurado ako, hindi natutuwa ang mga yon...
Post by: GIJoe on Aug 31, 2015 at 01:10 PM
they can call it all every which way they want....
pero sa totoo marami silang naperhuwisyo, at sigurado ako, hindi natutuwa ang mga yon...
Sabi ng INC pasensya na daw hahahaha
Post by: krets pulpol on Aug 31, 2015 at 01:13 PM
Post by: zonks on Aug 31, 2015 at 01:18 PM
talagang HAHAHAHA
Sabi ng INC pasensya na daw hahahaha
Post by: Ice Storm on Aug 31, 2015 at 04:41 PM
http://opinion.inquirer.net/88095/iglesia-nonsenseI think they're trying to do a RCC. By that I mean RCC's propensity to be opaque about sexual misconduct of the clergy.
When was the last time you've heard of a priest, bishop or cardinal facing justice? They tend to get shuffled around.
Post by: raptor on Aug 31, 2015 at 04:44 PM
Post by: rulesmeister on Aug 31, 2015 at 04:48 PM
I lived/worked in Laguna, our company acquired a manufacturing plant up north. There are times our extended jobs would require us to go up north, that would mean travelling through SLEX-EDSA-NLEX. Normal travel would usually take ~4 hrs (one way). Nung nag-rarally ang INC, ung pabalik namin (NLEX-EDSA-SLEX) took almost 8 hours. The cars simply couldnt move, grabe ung pagod madaling araw ka gigising tapos madaling araw kana nakakauwi sa bahay mo. Imagine inside a cramped vehicle sitting for 8hrs anong klaseng stress aabotin mo? Ndi pa counted ung gutom, pati ung "call of nature" na titiisin mo? While nasa vehicle ako, I kept on thinking ano ba talaga motivation nila? Gaano ba kalalim ung ipinag-laban nila? Kasi if they have a strong case, I wouldnt mind joining them, nandun na rin lang naman ako (Btw, Im no INC member). Pero kong babasahin mo naman ung mga placards nila ang sabi: "freedom of religion"; "separation of church and state" and other DOJ & De Lima blah blah something. Ang babaw lang pinaglalaban, pero napakatindi ng perwesyo ginawa nila.
Post by: praktikal on Aug 31, 2015 at 04:50 PM
talagang HAHAHAHA
ika nga ni Babalu: Waaww!
so, magmula ngayon lahat na lalapit sa doj, nbi, pnp, etc tanungin muna kung taga INC? aba'y mahirap na...
Post by: raptor on Aug 31, 2015 at 04:58 PM
Post by: tony on Aug 31, 2015 at 05:03 PM
Post by: oweidah on Aug 31, 2015 at 05:05 PM
paano kaya gracepoe exit ni delima? resign to campaign?
kawawang samson, di nasagip ni delilah este delima
Post by: raptor on Aug 31, 2015 at 05:26 PM
pero by ending their rally, it seems the leadership of the INC received good counsel, many thanks to him whoever he is....
or received good amount of money
Post by: bashi on Aug 31, 2015 at 05:58 PM
or received good amount of money
magkano kaya ginastos ng INC for this brouhaha? why not hire a phalanx of the best legal team in the Philippines instead? ano ba tinatago nila to do this? I think mahina sa 10-15M ginastos nila dito to mobilize everything, there are unconfirmed reports that each were given 1k average plus meals, yun stage set up nila with sounds and lights, buses and various vehicles they needed to bring over members outside Manila, not to mention hotel accommodations, miscellaneous expenses pati....bakit willing yun higher ups to spend this much to railroad a legal complaint made against them? mukhang tutuo mga complaints and allegations being made
Post by: jay2 on Aug 31, 2015 at 06:31 PM
magkano kaya ginastos ng INC for this brouhaha? why not hire a phalanx of the best legal team in the Philippines instead? ano ba tinatago nila to do this? I think mahina sa 10-15M ginastos nila dito to mobilize everything, there are unconfirmed reports that each were given 1k average plus meals, yun stage set up nila with sounds and lights, buses and various vehicles they needed to bring over members outside Manila, not to mention hotel accommodations, miscellaneous expenses pati....bakit willing yun higher ups to spend this much to railroad a legal complaint made against them? mukhang tutuo mga complaints and allegations being made
Baka kaya ginawa yun para maiba yung mga topic ng senate from Binay to INC. And I think INC will support Binay in 2016
Post by: tony on Aug 31, 2015 at 06:34 PM
Baka kaya ginawa yun para maiba yung mga topic ng senate from Binay to INC. And I think INC will support Binay in 2016
better for Binay to join INC....
Post by: bashi on Aug 31, 2015 at 06:53 PM
Baka kaya ginawa yun para maiba yung mga topic ng senate from Binay to INC. And I think INC will support Binay in 2016
highly strange talaga, hinde birong manpower and resources ginamit dito to do this, the easiest route would have been kausapin complainant, pay him off (which would have been a lot cheaper than organizing this nonsense rally) or whatever it takes, withdrawal ng complaint, tapos!
...or just to piss people off, assemble the best law team money could buy then INC barricades itself with tons of paperwork, 20 years later sumasagot pa din ng motion yung complainant, baon na sa limot ng tao lahat yun incident di pa tapos yun kaso
Post by: raptor on Aug 31, 2015 at 08:02 PM
Post by: tonedeaf on Aug 31, 2015 at 08:04 PM
Post by: krets pulpol on Aug 31, 2015 at 09:06 PM
Akala ko ba no deal with terrorists?
Tanga lang talaga tong gubyerno natin.
Post by: jjjeronimo on Aug 31, 2015 at 09:26 PM
De Lima earned a lot of respect, and it would be stupid for PNoy na ilaglag siya at this time.
Pero like I said, I could be wrong... :D
Post by: Moks007 on Aug 31, 2015 at 09:38 PM
Incomplete kasi mga statements. "Ok na nagusap na kami with malacanang"..Sana they give more details.
Post by: praktikal on Aug 31, 2015 at 09:58 PM
Post by: krets pulpol on Aug 31, 2015 at 10:01 PM
Post by: ricky on Aug 31, 2015 at 10:31 PM
Post by: krets pulpol on Aug 31, 2015 at 10:40 PM
Post by: jhelenz on Aug 31, 2015 at 10:40 PM
May deal na with Malacañang and INC. Hanep lang talaga dito sa Pinas.terrorist na pala ang INC?
Akala ko ba no deal with terrorists?
Tanga lang talaga tong gubyerno natin.
Post by: edzpen2022 on Aug 31, 2015 at 10:46 PM
dapat talaga dyan binanatan ng tear gas e
wala...malambot tong gobyernong ito.
Balita ko, kasapi pala ng INC yung pumalit kay purisima. How true?
Post by: bashi on Aug 31, 2015 at 11:46 PM
Post by: CoolTOYZPH on Aug 31, 2015 at 11:56 PM
It will be more credible if it is stated by INC leader Eduardo Manalo personally.
For now it is hearsay... hopefully not just to save face after the farce.
Alam ko na dahilan, mabigat nga. Kung ako , hindi dapat peaceful rally nangyari. May gusto sumikat para sa plano nya. Ayun nag order sya kung ano gagawin , ang kaso INC pala yung nautusan nakarating tuloy. Tapos naman na at may naging maayos na solusyon, ang masaklap tagumpay pa din yun kupal, biglang sikat.
Post by: praktikal on Aug 31, 2015 at 11:57 PM
nagagalit ako sa callousness ng INC, nababasa natin mga kwento sa mga pagod pauwe, na cancel mga meetings, nawalan or nabawasan ng trabaho para sa weekend na yun.....isa pa! yun danger that was put upon a lot of people! ako super affected nito, yun bunso ko na anak was not able to go home ng Friday evening, sobrang alala ko kung ano na nangyari sa anak ko, sigurado ako hinde lang sa akin nangyari ito! kung napahamak anak ko, sa mata at isipan ko iisa lang ang responsable dito! pero salamat sa Diyos at hinde napahamak anak ko at nakauwe ng maayos kinabukasan
baka sabihin nila, ipinagdasal naman namin ang kaligtasan ng bawat isa...
sad reality na mas lumiwanag sa mata ng karamihan. power vs power ang resulta nga nga ang masa. isa lang pang pananaw ko dito at yun ay gusto nilang ipakita na solid at di kayang banggain. "iba kami".
ngayon, sinong TRAPO ang babangga sa kanila e sa ngayon pa nga lang para nang mga nasaniban kung kampihan maipakita lang na nakikiisa ("pero ang boto ko ha"). pinagloloko tayo nitong mga naghahangad sa pinakamataas na posisyon sa gobyerno.
anak ng tipaklong, tatlong letra lang pala pinag-iba ng GOByerno sa IMPyerno. tsk tsk...
Post by: praktikal on Sep 01, 2015 at 12:00 AM
Alam ko na dahilan, mabigat nga. Kung ako , hindi dapat peaceful rally nangyari. May gusto sumikat para sa plano nya. Ayun nag order sya kung ano gagawin , ang kaso INC pala yung nautusan nakarating tuloy. Tapos naman na at may naging maayos na solusyon, ang masaklap tagumpay pa din yun kupal, biglang sikat.pa PM naman o... i'll keep it to myself lang, pramis. ;)
Post by: panzimus on Sep 01, 2015 at 12:13 AM
Post by: bashi on Sep 01, 2015 at 12:27 AM
Tingin ko dapat ipaalam yan sa public. Para maunawaan ng mga kababayan natin kung bakit nag-rally ang INC lalo na yung mga naperwisyo. As of now kasi, puro negative ang reaction ng mga kababayan natin sa nangyaring ito.
natatawa nga ako ang spin nila "na traffic lang naman kayo!" di inisip na may kaakibat yan na resultang iba, meron economic effect ito to several sectors, meron safety issues mag pop up to some, health issues din sa mga taong kailangan rush sa mga araw na iyon sa hospital lalo na within the vicinity, remember heavily populated yun area aside from offices mga residential places din! ang masakit nito walang warning whatsoever, nung Thursday ng gabi meron ako mga kasama INC members, hinde man lang ako or kahit sino sa grupo namin pinagsabihan na umuwe kayo ng maaga ng pamilya ninyo
.... halos mamatay ako sa pagalala sa anak ko, huli text sakin, hinde gumagalaw traffic tapos namatay na cellphone, madaling araw na naka text na nagpasya sila tumuloy sa kaklase nila at dun lang ako na text ng makakuha ng charger
Post by: krets pulpol on Sep 01, 2015 at 12:33 AM
terrorist na pala ang INC?
I'll brand one if they start demanding selfish or unreasonable gains through fear or any means of terror. You don't have to be armed if you want to sow terror because sometimes psychological means will do. Mere threats can cause disruption to everyday lives like the ones they did in EDSA permit or no permit. Least we need now is pandemonium just because DOJ is doing their own investigation and mandated by the law?! Foolishness.
Call me harsh but it is what it is.
Post by: dpogs on Sep 01, 2015 at 12:42 AM
I'll brand one if they start demanding selfish or unreasonable gains through fear or any means of terror. You don't have to be armed if you want to sow terror because sometimes psychological means will do. Mere threats can cause disruption to everyday lives like the ones they did in EDSA permit or no permit. Least we need now is pandemonium just because DOJ is doing their own investigation and mandated by the law?! Foolishness.
Call me harsh but it is what it is.
hmmm... how about people in EDSA I can we call them terrorist also?
sanay din kasi ako na kapag terrorist eh armed and dangerous :)
Post by: krets pulpol on Sep 01, 2015 at 12:50 AM
Post by: dpogs on Sep 01, 2015 at 01:07 AM
I knew someone would ask. To me that's rebellion, terrorism to Marcos probably but depends who's looking. Purpose was different, we need to end the hardships from a dictator. Means justify for a greater good of the Filipinos. And this issue from INC, is it for the greater good of the country?
"personal gain" compare to "mas nakakaraming makikinabang"
para sa iyo ay
to threat the government na pupugutan ng ulo ang ilang nahuling sundalo kapalit ng ransom money/palayain ang isang leader
is no difference than
to threat the goverment na gagawa ng chaos, traffic, paralyze normal business days kapalit ng pagresign ng isang cabinet member
Post by: krets pulpol on Sep 01, 2015 at 01:17 AM
Post by: dpogs on Sep 01, 2015 at 01:45 AM
Yes.
hmm... pero di mo sila maicocompare sa mga terrorist na nag cause na ng violence... maybe by definition may tama ka...
for me terrorist cant be called terrorist unless nakagawa na sila ng "terror"... kung intimidation lang hanggang doon lang... can you call someone a killer kung di pa nakakapatay? hanggang threat lang killer na agad?
for me para sa akin: terrorist not only intimidate, threat but also nagdudulot ng kamatayan sa mga civilian.
INC is not terrorist per my own version of terrorism. :):)
Post by: oweidah on Sep 01, 2015 at 03:29 AM
Post by: AppleMan on Sep 01, 2015 at 05:17 AM
according to some of those cult members, di daw rally ginawa nila kasi forbidden yun. "Peaceful Vigil" lang daw ang ginawa nila
PEACEFUL VIGIL EH BINUGBOG ng member nila yung camera man ng ABS-CBN yun ba ang PEACEFUL VIGIL?
sa opinion ko BANAL na SUNTOK ang ginawa nila sa camera man...
Post by: toys4geeks on Sep 01, 2015 at 07:44 AM
Ano kaya Mar sa 2016 by INC? basta resign lang si De Lima? Nobody knows.We speculate dahil di tayo kasali sa usapan na ending. obviously me disagreement sila pero too nasty or incriminating to disclose to public?
Incomplete kasi mga statements. "Ok na nagusap na kami with malacanang"..Sana they give more details.
Post by: tony on Sep 01, 2015 at 07:47 AM
Post by: toys4geeks on Sep 01, 2015 at 07:53 AM
Tingin ko dapat ipaalam yan sa public. Para maunawaan ng mga kababayan natin kung bakit nag-rally ang INC lalo na yung mga naperwisyo. As of now kasi, puro negative ang reaction ng mga kababayan natin sa nangyaring ito.Or baka nga ganun kababaw ang dahilan , as what you have been getting in trickles the past days.
We will never know dahil mukang ayaw paalam ng both sides ang detalye to save face.
Post by: oweidah on Sep 01, 2015 at 07:55 AM
Post by: ABCmotorparts on Sep 01, 2015 at 08:55 AM
Post by: edzpen2022 on Sep 01, 2015 at 09:28 AM
Paano magkaka balls, mas mahalaga yung boto kesa kapakanan ng nakakaram.
Daming excuses, mabigat na rason? or naloko lang ng sangunian nila. May posibilidad na tinatago ng leader nila ang tunay na dahilan, alrhough di ko pwedeng gawin conclusion yun, baka naman totoo yung pinalalabas ng pinuno nila.
Isa lang bottomline dito, ginamit yung mga member para sa personal na kapakanan at proteksyon ng leaders nila, takot, baka marami tumiwalag sa grupo, di lugi na negosyo ng manalo.
May separation of church and state pang nalalaman. Kung yun gusto nila, di wag silang maglobby ng mga pwesto sa gobyerno, wag sila makikialam sa tao tuwing botohan. Pareho lang din pala sila ng CBCP, pakialamero, Oo katoliko ako, pero giniagamit ko utak ko, kaya merong panahon na hindi ako sumasang-ayon sa pinag sasabi ng mga pari namin at ng CBCP.
Di ko pa nameet ulit yung mga kaibigan kong kasapi sa inc, pero if ever makita ko sila, sa ngalan ng pagkakaibigan ay, maluwag ko pa rin silang tatanggapin, wag lang nilang yurakan yung paniniwala ko, at wag lang nilang ilalabas sa harap ko yung mga baluktot nilang rason sa dahilan ng pag rarally ng kaanib nila.
Post by: rochie on Sep 01, 2015 at 09:36 AM
Alam ko na dahilan, mabigat nga. Kung ako , hindi dapat peaceful rally nangyari. May gusto sumikat para sa plano nya. Ayun nag order sya kung ano gagawin , ang kaso INC pala yung nautusan nakarating tuloy. Tapos naman na at may naging maayos na solusyon, ang masaklap tagumpay pa din yun kupal, biglang sikat.
sayang nga kababayan ko pa naman to at kilala ko ang angkan nila pinsan pa namin sa side ng lola ko.kaso gustong maghangad ng mas mataas na posisyon kaya ginamit ang issue para meron daw syang alas.kaso napurnada ayun, abangan natin sa mga susunod na araw kung ano mangyayari. sumikat man sya sa tingin ng iba ayos lang. basta ang Iglesia mananatiling nagkakaisa at doktrina pa din natin ang sinusunod.
Post by: bartender on Sep 01, 2015 at 09:37 AM
eh kung si Pinoy ma malambot, alam na.....
Nasobrahan sa yosi yan...
Post by: edzpen2022 on Sep 01, 2015 at 09:43 AM
Pero, yung isang involve dyan, di talaga makakakuha ng boto yan sa akin, wala nga yata akong ibobotong senador.
Post by: pao9307 on Sep 01, 2015 at 09:52 AM
Magrarally,manghahassle ng maraming maraming tao,pero sikreto pala ang dahilan bakit? ::)
Post by: sovrain on Sep 01, 2015 at 09:56 AM
Post by: panzimus on Sep 01, 2015 at 10:26 AM
Bakit parang blind item thread na to?
Magrarally,manghahassle ng maraming maraming tao,pero sikreto pala ang dahilan bakit? ::)
Yan din point ko. Magrarally na sila lang nakakaintindi ng rally nila?! What's the point? No wonder galit na galit sa mga INC mga kababayan natin lalo na yung mga naperwisyo.
Post by: pao9307 on Sep 01, 2015 at 10:34 AM
Di ako maka get over sa "ano naman kung natraffic kayo,lagi naman nang traffic ang edsa". Ang tatalino e. ;D
Post by: pTrader on Sep 01, 2015 at 10:37 AM
Yan din point ko. Magrarally na sila lang nakakaintindi ng rally nila?! What's the point? No wonder galit na galit sa mga INC mga kababayan natin lalo na yung mga naperwisyo.
isa lang yan sir, POLITICS, trapo politics
Post by: disturbed on Sep 01, 2015 at 10:42 AM
Post by: pTrader on Sep 01, 2015 at 10:51 AM
to sir ricky and rochie..why not share to us yung alam nyo para maliwanag? I am a member too and been reading a lot of articles and posts from other members..hindi mo na alam paniniwalaan..and nagtataka din ako sa mga posts ng iba..normally mga members eh hindi naman involve sa mga ganoong information..so san galing yun? I wish na mag release ng official statement about it..hanggat walang official statement parang chismis lang ito..
eto inde chismis
Romans 13:1Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
Bagsak ang INC sa tagubilin ng AMA.
nasaan na yung "1Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities".
isa pa "4For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good." Pero ano ang pinagsasabi nila sa DOJ at liderato nito?
(eto muna)
Post by: NongP on Sep 01, 2015 at 10:51 AM
^oonga, naguguluhan na ko sa pangangapa....pangalanan na lang ;D
Si LD5 yata tinutukoy nila ::)
Post by: praktikal on Sep 01, 2015 at 10:56 AM
Nakakatawa pa nyan brader, e ang sesensitive mg comments ng mga pro inc on media. ;D
Di ako maka get over sa "ano naman kung natraffic kayo,lagi naman nang traffic ang edsa". Ang tatalino e. ;D
ang isang close friend ko nga na member (may talino ha), kung magreact sa FB wagas.
sabi n'ya: "Respeto lang po kelangan namin sa inyo..Wala po kayong alam sa puno't dulo ng gusot namin. Ingat po sa pagsasalita baka kainin nyo lahat pinagsasabi nyo."
aba at may alam sya ha...? meron pang pananakot na, malapit na ang taghukom... so siya, ligtas? wagas! bumaba tingin ko sa kanya.
Post by: disturbed on Sep 01, 2015 at 11:05 AM
ang isang close friend ko nga na member (may talino ha), kung magreact sa FB wagas.
sabi n'ya: "Respeto lang po kelangan namin sa inyo..Wala po kayong alam sa puno't dulo ng gusot namin. Ingat po sa pagsasalita baka kainin nyo lahat pinagsasabi nyo."
aba at may alam sya ha...? meron pang pananakot na, malapit na ang taghukom... so siya, ligtas? wagas! bumaba tingin ko sa kanya.
actually I have friends sa fb (colleagues and friends sa hobbies) na hindi ko alam na INC din sila katulad ko..nagulat na lang kc ako sa mga posts na similar sa ni post nyo..yung isa galit na galit na talaga..
Post by: pTrader on Sep 01, 2015 at 11:11 AM
actually I have friends sa fb (colleagues and friends sa hobbies) na hindi ko alam na INC din sila katulad ko..nagulat na lang kc ako sa mga posts na similar sa ni post nyo..yung isa galit na galit na talaga..
Kawawa naman yung matitinong mag-isip na INC member nadadamay..
Post by: edzpen2022 on Sep 01, 2015 at 11:11 AM
Afraid to open a can of worms.
Syempre ang mga members, they will always lap up to whatever their leaders say, be it the truth or the lies.
If si LD5 nga tinutukoy nila, with or without the inc, wala siya makukuhang support sa akin, if only for the lapses in handling the case of the muntinlupa city jail, sablay din sya.
Pero i credit her for doing her job. Itong inc leaders lang naman may problema, umiiwas sa pananagutan sa ginawa nilang illegal detention. Yung si LD5 naman, sinamantala siguro yung situation, kaso nagback fire. No brainer naman masyado ang reason..may pa secret-secret pa sila. Ang talino talaga.
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 01, 2015 at 11:17 AM
ang masasabi ko lang I respect other pdvd members' posts and opinions.
Masasabi ko din na may mga posts na hindi totoo pero kahit anung paliwanag ay hindi magbabago ang opinyon ng nagpost maliban na lang kung makita nila mismo na ginagawa ng INC yun na kaiba sa pinost nyang pinaniniwalaan nya (like posts sa buatismo, census sa rally, etc)
And to prove na hindi lahat ng member ng INC ay bulag katulad ng sinasbi ng iba: Ako walang pakialam kung makulong kahit ministro kung nakagawa ng krimen laban sa ibang tao.
Hindi ako sumangayon sa rally. Hindi ako nagpunta.
I uphold the rule of law. Dura lex, sed lex.
Sa mga naperwisyo, wala akong ibang masasabi kundi: pasensya na.
Post by: CoolTOYZPH on Sep 01, 2015 at 11:20 AM
Thanks.
Can you validate kung totoo ito na galing sa INC:
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11892106_729595707166010_1724661267643900339_n.jpg?oh=d7fd41a26438849171d97e64005075a9&oe=56369C10)
Post by: praktikal on Sep 01, 2015 at 11:24 AM
Kawawa naman yung matitinong mag-isip na INC member nadadamay..
precisely.
nakakagulat lang talaga na naglalabasan ang mga masasakit na salita sa mga taong di mo akalaing magsasabi ng ganun.
sa pagbabasa ko, ang daming (INC) members dito sa pdvd na saludo ako sa pagiging edukado.
Post by: disturbed on Sep 01, 2015 at 11:33 AM
I am still hoping for an INC member to confirm or deny this document posted by Philander.
The circular was dated Aug 27, too bad me and my wife were not able to attend worship service on that day so I cannot confirm nor deny it. Weird lang na me ganyang copy unless someone from INC leaked it. But yes they encouraged members to attend the "vigil" in shaw based from Sunday's worship tagubilin
Post by: edzpen2022 on Sep 01, 2015 at 11:35 AM
Sa akin hindi relihiyon ang issue dito eh, yung abala sa kalsada, at yung maling desisyon ng mga involved.
Yun nga lang, nabawasan talaga ang galang ko sa grupo nila.
Post by: pao9307 on Sep 01, 2015 at 11:37 AM
Ang nakakainis lang talaga yung ibang members na para bang utang ng loob mo pa na magpasalamat sa kanila sa perwisyong dinulot nila,yung iba ang aangas and arogante pa sumagot.
Post by: pTrader on Sep 01, 2015 at 11:42 AM
Ok na siguro sana kasi kung gaya ng ibang members dito yung makikita mo na magpost sa FB,like sila ricky and quitacet na syang humihingi ng dispensa sa ginawa ng mga kasapi nila sa pananampalataya,kahit di naman sila personally pumunta dun.
Ang nakakainis lang talaga yung ibang members na para bang utang ng loob mo pa na magpasalamat sa kanila sa perwisyong dinulot nila,yung iba ang aangas and arogante pa sumagot.
well, sa leadership ka ng INC mainis, inde naman sila pupunta dun kung inde napag-utusan.
Post by: SiCkBoY on Sep 01, 2015 at 11:46 AM
precisely.
nakakagulat lang talaga na naglalabasan ang mga masasakit na salita sa mga taong di mo akalaing magsasabi ng ganun.
sa pagbabasa ko, ang daming (INC) members dito sa pdvd na saludo ako sa pagiging edukado.
Ang dami ko nakita na sagutan sa social media na nagtapos sa:
"Ako pupunta sa langit, ikaw sa impyerno!!!"
Hahaha!
Post by: AppleMan on Sep 01, 2015 at 11:51 AM
Kung ang BULAG naniniwala sa BULAG ay mananatiling BULAG.....
Post by: sirhc on Sep 01, 2015 at 11:56 AM
Ang dami ko nakita na sagutan sa social media na nagtapos sa:
"Ako pupunta sa langit, ikaw sa impyerno!!!"
Hahaha!
Ultimate Trump Card! hahaha. Pag ginamit mo yan sa lahat ng argumento, panalo ka na! ;D
Post by: Hitman on Sep 01, 2015 at 12:22 PM
Post by: sovrain on Sep 01, 2015 at 12:35 PM
Post by: krets pulpol on Sep 01, 2015 at 12:39 PM
Post by: praktikal on Sep 01, 2015 at 12:41 PM
Kung may nangyari ngang secret deal ang palasyo at INC, sino na ngayon ang karapat dapat ibotong pangulo? Wala na. Baka divine intervention ang lahat ng ito kasi nakilala natin at nakita ng tunay na kulay ni poe at mukhang pati si pnoy at mar. Sino na???
ako rin nagpapasalamat sa mga kaganapan lately at nakita ko sa mas maagang panahon na si grace ay isa ring TraPoe.
Post by: pao9307 on Sep 01, 2015 at 12:50 PM
well, sa leadership ka ng INC mainis, inde naman sila pupunta dun kung inde napag-utusan.yep. Pero di ba mas nakakainis yung mala tupang pagsunod? Na parang wala ng silbi ang utak para makapag rason para sa sarili? So sinabi ng church leader ko na sumugod ako sa edsa. Bawal ko man lang ba kwestiyonin at the very least, and downright tumanggi at most?
Ginagamit naman kasi ata nila na parurusahan ka ng Diyos pag di ka sumunod sa gusto ng liderato nila (kesyo pagbot,pagpunta ng edsa,etc)
E hindi ba personal na decision yun,isang bagay na dapat just between you and the Lord? What they do (at least the impression they give me) is bordering on blind allegiance.
Post by: krets pulpol on Sep 01, 2015 at 12:52 PM
"It shows politicians are scared. Nobody has spoken out..INC might exact revenge at the polls [on elected officials who speak out]."
Bello urged the public to slam the doors on politicians protective of the INC.
"Civil society should make politicians pay at the polls for people who have conciliated, basically tried to conciliate special interest, let's punish them at the polls," he said.
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/09/01/15/walden-bello-asks-where-was-govt-amid-inc-rally
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 01, 2015 at 01:08 PM
^_Yan ang paniwala ng INC sila lang MALILIGTAS labas ng IGLESIA nila sentensyado na sa APOY....
Kung ang BULAG naniniwala sa BULAG ay mananatiling BULAG.....
para fair lang: Yan din po ang doktrina ng maraming pananamplataya including Roman Catholic
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 01, 2015 at 01:19 PM
I am still hoping for an INC member to confirm or deny this document posted by Philander.
It is difficult to confirm this since most docs from INC usually has the Iglesia Ni Cristo and District Name under the seal.
Though it mentions P-10 which is one process of financial request from the District's funding.
If I have to guess, i'd say this is probably genuine.
I guessed only because it is really difficult nowadays to descern who is who and which is which.
There are viral text messages and Fb posts which are circulating (ex paralyzing traffic, hateful remarks, etc) designed to put INC in a worse light (i did not say bad light, I say "worse", because I agree INC officials made a mess of the rally situation) to further fan the flame of non-members' hate towards the INC.
Post by: tony on Sep 01, 2015 at 01:40 PM
the events that unfolded speaks volumes for themselves...
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 01, 2015 at 01:42 PM
no need for any one to put the INC in bad light....
the events that unfolded speaks volumes for themselves...
That's why I said worse because the bad was evident already.
Post by: bumblebee on Sep 01, 2015 at 01:52 PM
Post by: tony on Sep 01, 2015 at 02:00 PM
That's why I said worse because the bad was evident already.
what difference does it make?, me mga naperhuwiso....
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 01, 2015 at 02:01 PM
http://www.tribune.net.ph/commentary/thank-you-inc
A Dominican priest saying what the INC did is right!
Post by: tony on Sep 01, 2015 at 02:01 PM
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/718122/de-lima-unbowed-by-iglesia-ni-cristo-protests-wont-step-down (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/718122/de-lima-unbowed-by-iglesia-ni-cristo-protests-wont-step-down)
baka naman part of the deal, yan para hindi maglose face si De Lima....
maraming spins ang episode na ito...
Post by: rochie on Sep 01, 2015 at 02:03 PM
baka naman part of the deal, yan para hindi maglose face si De Lima....
maraming spins ang episode na ito...
ang next scenario is mag reresign din sya kasi she will file her candidacy. o diba edi may mukha pa din syang ihaharap.
Post by: bumblebee on Sep 01, 2015 at 02:14 PM
baka naman part of the deal, yan para hindi maglose face si De Lima....
maraming spins ang episode na ito...
There is no way DeLima is ever to lose face on this one. If there was any deal, INC is on the losing end.
Post by: tony on Sep 01, 2015 at 02:24 PM
There is no way DeLima is ever to lose face on this one. If there was any deal, INC is on the losing end.
i'm afraid so, the INC showed its funny side....:D
Post by: ricky on Sep 01, 2015 at 02:29 PM
to sir ricky and rochie..why not share to us yung alam nyo para maliwanag? I am a member too and been reading a lot of articles and posts from other members..hindi mo na alam paniniwalaan..and nagtataka din ako sa mga posts ng iba..normally mga members eh hindi naman involve sa mga ganoong information..so san galing yun? I wish na mag release ng official statement about it..hanggat walang official statement parang chismis lang ito..Kaya nga walang pangalan. Sa totoo lang ang daming istorya, hindi ko lang alam ano nauna at nahuli. Sino nag umpisa kaya nangyari ito. In short its a mess. Pasensya na talaga , lahat naabala. Sayang
Post by: ricky on Sep 01, 2015 at 02:49 PM
We speculate dahil di tayo kasali sa usapan na ending. obviously me disagreement sila pero too nasty or incriminating to disclose to public?
Correct. Looks like it.
Post by: tony on Sep 01, 2015 at 02:52 PM
Post by: toys4geeks on Sep 01, 2015 at 02:55 PM
no need for any one to put the INC in bad light....Oo nga, yang bad to worse dakdak sa social media is just the offshoot of what happened.
the events that unfolded speaks volumes for themselves...
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 01, 2015 at 02:57 PM
so yung pagbaril sa coffe shop ni Taberna, malamang me kinalaman, since allegedly pamangkin ni Isias si Taberna....
I doubt this since Taberna openly announced his support to INC.
Post by: CoolTOYZPH on Sep 01, 2015 at 03:04 PM
Or are you saying that Non-INC members do not have the right to know because we are not members anyway?
Kaya nga walang pangalan. Sa totoo lang ang daming istorya, hindi ko lang alam ano nauna at nahuli. Sino nag umpisa kaya nangyari ito. In short its a mess. Pasensya na talaga , lahat naabala. Sayang
Post by: oweidah on Sep 01, 2015 at 03:05 PM
Post by: tony on Sep 01, 2015 at 03:10 PM
and the allegation that the wives of the sanggunian members living the lives of the rich and famous,
i remember that the brother of ka Eddie Manalo and the mother ay tiwalag for question these happenings......,
i think that there had been wranglings going on even before that time.....
culminating with the filing of illegal detention charges at the DOJ...
and the rally....
ang sarap maging member ng sanggunian, you can "tiwalag" any member
questioning you extravagance..... >:D
subukan nila akong gawing excommunicated, eh di WOW, sasapi na lang ako sa iba...
Post by: frequenzy on Sep 01, 2015 at 03:22 PM
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 01, 2015 at 03:26 PM
i think that a lot had to do with the Philippine Arena,
and the allegation that the wives of the sanggunian members living the lives of the rich and famous,
i remember that the brother of ka Eddie Manalo and the mother ay tiwalag for question these happenings......,
i think that there had been wranglings going on even before that time.....
culminating with the filing of illegal detention charges at the DOJ...
and the rally....
ang sarap maging member ng sanggunian, you can "tiwalag" any member
questioning you extravagance..... >:D
subukan nila akong gawing excommunicated, eh di WOW, sasapi na lang ako sa iba...
i wish it was as simple as that.
Madali siguro kung para sa iba like you na ibang grupo ang kinabibilangan. For INC, it is very different. Words cannot explain the faith of the members. It's easy for people from the outside looking in to comment and that is why I respect their opinions. For somebody who embraced the faith, mahirap gawin yan.
for many members, the Church remains intact in terms of doctrines. Ang kaguluhan ay hindi doctrinal per se. kaya maraming ayaw at hindi aalis ay dahil walang pupuntahang ibang grupo espousing the same set of beliefs.
For many, it's like waiting out for the storm to pass and the Sanggunian members (if guilty) to be hang (not literally).
many members are waiting for whatever outcomes these recent issues have brought.
Post by: jackryan on Sep 01, 2015 at 03:27 PM
Can someone help explain how the INC officials are able to confirm / verify / validate what each member votes on the ballot boxes?
Break that capability, and the INC will diminish its ability to co-mingle Church and the State matters... that would also lessen their lobby powers.
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 01, 2015 at 03:28 PM
INC's clout is on their ability to command "bloc voting".
Can someone help explain how the INC officials are able to confirm / verify / validate what each member votes on the ballot boxes?
Break that capability, and the INC will diminish its ability to co-mingle Church and the State matters... that would also lessen their lobby powers.
There is no confirmation. members vote privately just like everyone else.
i always see the "sanggunian" yung mga mismong inc members ba kilala din sila? binoboto rin ba sila position na yun?
they are like cabinet secretaries appointed to the posts.
Post by: jackryan on Sep 01, 2015 at 03:29 PM
Post by: jackryan on Sep 01, 2015 at 03:31 PM
Much of the INC wealth is also based on a fixed percentage of earnings periodically 'donated' by its members... how does it handle it and what happens to a member if for that given period, they are unable to produce the fixed percentage donation to the INC? Do they get interest penalties or eventually kicked-out?
Post by: bartender on Sep 01, 2015 at 03:34 PM
There is no confirmation. members vote privately just like everyone else.
they are like cabinet secretaries appointed to the posts.
Appointed by whom? By the way, who appoints/ confirms/ elects the Executive Minister?
Post by: Moks007 on Sep 01, 2015 at 03:37 PM
For me kasi, again no offense. Inc like to do a "show of force" thing..they like to show everybody how many they are and how powerful they are. Tsaka solid na solid. Kaya dapat pa media pa mga bloc voting selection nila. Just my opinion folks.
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 01, 2015 at 03:38 PM
And no offense to our bros and sisters, but can someone also help explain why like Muslims they prohibit the eating of "dinuguan"... it seems like, maybe I am wrong, that they are the only Christian sect that prohibits this... just need to be better educated on the basis for that.
INC forbids the eating of dinuguan because it is primarily blood. In fact it is not only dinuguan which is forbidden but eating of "binigti" or meat which blood did not come out.
Deuteronomy 12:23 ESV / 76 helpful votes
Only be sure that you do not eat the blood, for the blood is the life, and you shall not eat the life with the flesh.
Genesis 9:4 ESV / 63 helpful votes
But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.
Leviticus 17:14 ESV / 60 helpful votes
For the life of every creature is its blood: its blood is its life. Therefore I have said to the people of Israel, You shall not eat the blood of any creature, for the life of every creature is its blood. Whoever eats it shall be cut off.
Leviticus 3:17 ESV / 49 helpful votes
It shall be a statute forever throughout your generations, in all your dwelling places, that you eat neither fat nor blood.”
Acts 15:20 ESV / 45 helpful votes
But should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood.
Leviticus 17:10 ESV / 42 helpful votes
“If any one of the house of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn among them eats any blood, I will set my face against that person who eats blood and will cut him off from among his people.
Deuteronomy 12:16 ESV / 29 helpful votes
Only you shall not eat the blood; you shall pour it out on the earth like water.
Acts 15:29 ESV / 28 helpful votes
That you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”
Other religions that forbid eating blood are: ADD and Jehova's Witnesses. For JH, even blood transfusion is forbidden.
Post by: bartender on Sep 01, 2015 at 03:38 PM
And no offense to our bros and sisters, but can someone also help explain why like Muslims they prohibit the eating of "dinuguan"... it seems like, maybe I am wrong, that they are the only Christian sect that prohibits this... just need to be better educated on the basis for that.
I think it has something to do with the prohibition in the Bible of eating blood.
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 01, 2015 at 03:41 PM
Much of the INC wealth is also based on a fixed percentage of earnings periodically 'donated' by its members... how does it handle it and what happens to a member if for that given period, they are unable to produce the fixed percentage donation to the INC? Do they get interest penalties or eventually kicked-out?
this is one of the many misconceptions about our handog.
There is no fixed earning contribution for the members.
I can give singko if I want to and no one will know. our abuluyan requires member to drop your handog in a supot which is made of opaque cloth and the deacons who collect them do not look at your contribution. in fact kahit hindi ka maghulog, walang sisita sa yo at hindi ka isusumbong ng naglikom ng handog.
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 01, 2015 at 03:43 PM
First no offense to our fellow inc members, but regarding the bloc voting. Hindi ba that itself is not separation of church and state? Because inc goes to the media and tell everyone who they will support. Hindi ba puede dapat inc should keep it confidential? Puede naman sa church session ninyo the higher ups will tell you who to vote diba?.
For me kasi, again no offense. Inc like to do a "show of force" thing..they like to show everybody how many they are and how powerful they are. Tsaka solid na solid. Kaya dapat pa media pa mga bloc voting selection nila. Just my opinion folks.
that was the practice dati. lately na lang naipapamedia because of requests na din from various media orgs
Post by: jeff29jeff2002 on Sep 01, 2015 at 03:43 PM
ang isang close friend ko nga na member (may talino ha), kung magreact sa FB wagas.
sabi n'ya: "Respeto lang po kelangan namin sa inyo..Wala po kayong alam sa puno't dulo ng gusot namin. Ingat po sa pagsasalita baka kainin nyo lahat pinagsasabi nyo."
aba at may alam sya ha...? meron pang pananakot na, malapit na ang taghukom... so siya, ligtas? wagas! bumaba tingin ko sa kanya.
+1.. Pasensya na, pro nakakababa talaga tingin...have a colleague also...ang banat pa sa post.. " Para sa mga Reklamador "..(referring to the filipinos na naabala sa traffic) saan ka pa ?
Nakakataas ng pressure...but as they say, ang utak ay nilagay na mas mataas sa puso... if ang mga police ay may max tolerance... max patience nalang din tayo mga brader... peace.
Post by: ricky on Sep 01, 2015 at 03:44 PM
For clarification, are you saying that INC members who participated in the Peace Vigil were there without knowing the reason why they were there?
Or are you saying that Non-INC members do not have the right to know because we are not members anyway?
Syempre may alam sila reason kaya nga sila andoon. Pwede siguro ask kung valid ba ang reason?
Ako from the start sabi ko hindi ko alam reason, whether valid or not ewan ko bakit hindi ko nalaman.
Nasa news naman kung ano dapat malaman, yun din lang nalaman namin , pareho lang tayo. Everyone has the right to say his peace di ba, just like everyone else na nagsalita laban sa INC kasi nag salita ang INC. Tama ba?
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 01, 2015 at 03:45 PM
in short MYOB tayo...
hindi naman. it cuts both ways e.
like yung post ni jackryan which I answered above. he's for not announcing to the media part of what we do.
sa kabilang banda naman there are people like you who wants to know what's happening.
either way may backlash
Post by: ricky on Sep 01, 2015 at 03:46 PM
i wish it was as simple as that.
Madali siguro kung para sa iba like you na ibang grupo ang kinabibilangan. For INC, it is very different. Words cannot explain the faith of the members. It's easy for people from the outside looking in to comment and that is why I respect their opinions. For somebody who embraced the faith, mahirap gawin yan.
for many members, the Church remains intact in terms of doctrines. Ang kaguluhan ay hindi doctrinal per se. kaya maraming ayaw at hindi aalis ay dahil walang pupuntahang ibang grupo espousing the same set of beliefs.
For many, it's like waiting out for the storm to pass and the Sanggunian members (if guilty) to be hang (not literally).
many members are waiting for whatever outcomes these recent issues have brought.
+1
Post by: praktikal on Sep 01, 2015 at 03:48 PM
ang lagay pala nito, parang sa pabebe lang na, "wala kayong pakeh!" aba'y, parang si Binay na rin pala sila kung ganun na may sariling republika? para bang, "watch and learn". paano sasabihin ng ibang members na, "hindi nyo alam ang totoong dahilan kaya manahimik na lang kayo." pwede pa siguro kung sa ibang lugar na hindi nakaperwisyo. bad trip lang talaga yung mga ganun kababaw na mga tao maging ano man ang relihiyon. i feel sorry dun sa good friend ko (dati).
anyways, sana after what happened e maiwasan na ang ganung pangyayari. overwhelming lang talaga ang dami. solid.
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 01, 2015 at 03:49 PM
+1.. Pasensya na, pro nakakababa talaga tingin...have a colleague also...ang banat pa sa post.. " Para sa mga Reklamador "..(referring to the filipinos na naabala sa traffic) saan ka pa ?
Nakakataas ng pressure...but as they say, ang utak ay nilagay na mas mataas sa puso... if ang mga police ay may max tolerance... max patience nalang din tayo mga brader... peace.
Again, pasensya na po.
Like in any other group, I have to admit na may mga members na idiotic and insensitive. Ako kasi katwiran ko, okay lang mabatikos, may naperwisyo tayo e.
Post by: CoolTOYZPH on Sep 01, 2015 at 03:52 PM
Alam ko na dahilan, mabigat nga. Kung ako , hindi dapat peaceful rally nangyari. May gusto sumikat para sa plano nya. Ayun nag order sya kung ano gagawin , ang kaso INC pala yung nautusan nakarating tuloy. Tapos naman na at may naging maayos na solusyon, ang masaklap tagumpay pa din yun kupal, biglang sikat.
The post is very vague. Since you know the reason, I hope you decide to inform those who are not members of the INC but were affected by the actions of the INC for us to comprehend and extend understanding.
Syempre may alam sila reason kaya nga sila andoon. Pwede siguro ask kung valid ba ang reason?
Ako from the start sabi ko hindi ko alam reason, whether valid or not ewan ko bakit hindi ko nalaman.
Nasa news naman kung ano dapat malaman, yun din lang nalaman namin, pareho lang tayo. Everyone has the right to say his peace di ba, just like everyone else na nagsalita laban sa INC kasi nag salita ang INC. Tama ba?
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 01, 2015 at 03:55 PM
buti dito sa pdvd, understanding most of the members...
ang lagay pala nito, parang sa pabebe lang na, "wala kayong pakeh!" aba'y, parang si Binay na rin pala sila kung ganun na may sariling republika? para bang, "watch and learn". paano sasabihin ng ibang members na, "hindi nyo alam ang totoong dahilan kaya manahimik na lang kayo." pwede pa siguro kung sa ibang lugar na hindi nakaperwisyo. bad trip lang talaga yung mga ganun kababaw na mga tao maging ano man ang relihiyon. i feel sorry dun sa good friend ko (dati).
anyways, sana after what happened e maiwasan na ang ganung pangyayari. overwhelming lang talaga ang dami. solid.
marami rin sa members kasi ang may deep seated sama ng loob when say a member of ours did commit a crime tapos nakabandera sa headlines ng mga dyaryo o article sa net na "INC pumatay"
pati innocent members na walang kinalaman sa ginawa ng isang individual, nasasaktan. tapos masusundan pa ng sandamukal na mga posts na kesyo ganito kasi ang INC, ganito ang Iglesia ni Manalo.
araw-araw may nangrerape, may naghohold-up, may nagnanakaw, may kung anu-anong krimen pero walang balitang, "Isang katoliko, namaril ng kapwa Katoliko" o kaya "MGa Katolikong nag-iinuman, nagsaksakan"
I am not justifying what we did (as a group) sa perwisyong nangyari. Kung kaya ko lang isauli ang oras at panahong nasayang sa inyo, gagawin ko kahit hindi ako sumama dun sa rally.
I am just giving another perspective sa ibang members kung bakit warfreak ang marami. I don't agree with them, but I cannot control them. All I can do is give a different example para naman di nalalahat ay ganun
Post by: ricky on Sep 01, 2015 at 03:56 PM
buti dito sa pdvd, understanding most of the members...
ang lagay pala nito, parang sa pabebe lang na, "wala kayong pakeh!" aba'y, parang si Binay na rin pala sila kung ganun na may sariling republika? para bang, "watch and learn". paano sasabihin ng ibang members na, "hindi nyo alam ang totoong dahilan kaya manahimik na lang kayo." pwede pa siguro kung sa ibang lugar na hindi nakaperwisyo. bad trip lang talaga yung mga ganun kababaw na mga tao maging ano man ang relihiyon. i feel sorry dun sa good friend ko (dati).
anyways, sana after what happened e maiwasan na ang ganung pangyayari. overwhelming lang talaga ang dami. solid.
Yun lang ang maganda, solid talaga kami.
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 01, 2015 at 03:57 PM
After having monitored the INC news channel, all I pick-up is that they are against Delima for acting on a complaint filed against the Sangunian. On August 31, 2015 at 10:31 PM you posted: [Emphasis Provided]
That's how it looks.
the other perspective is that INC is asking why was the case directed to DOJ secreatry, when the procedure in court should be prosecutor's office muna
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 01, 2015 at 04:05 PM
Yun lang ang maganda, solid talaga kami.
Mahirap kasi maunawaan ng iba ang kaisahan ng Iglesia.
Kung ngayon natin gagawin siguro yung ginawa ng unang Iglesia, mas lalo tayong mapipintasan at pagdududahan sa pananalapi:
Aklat ng mga Gawa
5:1 Datapuwa't isang lalake na tinatawag na Ananias, na kasama ng kaniyang asawang si Safira, ay nagbili ng isang pag-aari,
5:2 At inilingid ang isang bahagi ng halaga, na nalalaman din ito ng kaniyang asawa, at dinala ang isang bahagi, at inilagay sa mga paanan ng mga apostol.
5:3 Datapuwa't sinabi ni Pedro, Ananias, bakit pinuspos ni Satanas ang iyong puso upang magsinungaling sa Espiritu Santo, at upang maglingid ng isang bahagi ng halaga ng lupa?
5:4 Nang yao'y nananatili pa, hindi baga yao'y nanatiling iyong sarili? at nang maipagbili na, hindi baga nasa iyo ring kapangyarihan? Ano't inisip mo pa ang bagay na ito sa iyong puso? hindi ka nagsinungaling sa mga tao, kundi sa Dios.
5:5 At nang marinig ni Ananias ang mga salitang ito ay nahandusay at nalagot ang hininga: at sinidlan ng malaking takot ang lahat ng nangakarinig nito.
5:6 At nagsitindig ang mga kabinataan at siya'y binalot, at kanilang dinala siya sa labas at inilibing.
5:7 At may tatlong oras ang nakaraan, nang ang kaniyang asawa, na di nalalaman ang nangyari, ay pumasok.
5:8 At sinabi sa kaniya ni Pedro, Sabihin mo sa akin kung ipinagbili ninyo ng gayon ang lupa. At sinabi niya, Oo, sa gayon.
5:9 Datapuwa't sinabi sa kaniya ni Pedro, Bakit kayo'y nagkasundo upang tuksuhin ang Espiritu ng Panginoon? narito, nangasa pintuan ang mga paa ng mga nagsipaglibing sa iyong asawa, at kanilang dadalhin ka sa labas.
5:10 At pagdaka'y nahandusay sa paanan niya ang babae, at nalagot ang hininga: at nagsipasok ang mga kabinataan at nasumpungan siyang patay, at siya'y kanilang inilabas at inilibing siya sa siping ng kaniyang asawa.
5:11 At sinidlan ng malaking takot ang buong iglesia, at ang lahat ng nangakarinig ng mga bagay na ito.
Yan ang kaisahan nila dating ginawa. Lahat ipagbibili ang pag-aari at ang napagbilhan ay ibibgay sa mga Apostol ang halaga.
Post by: ricky on Sep 01, 2015 at 04:08 PM
Tama si bro quitacet, hindi namin kayang pigilin gusto nila sabihin or gawain. Convictions nila yon. May mga tao talaga na sadya yatang iba mag isip or magsalita.
Katulad na lang dito sa thread na ito, meron maganda magreklamo at meron din naman na ayaw na magpatawad.
Yung tipong nilalahat. Meron din na dahil sa nangyari at nasabi ay nasira ang pagtitinginan. Marami ako kaibigan, pero ni minsan hindi religion ang naging basehan namin. May maga kaibigan ako na lantaran sa kainan kung kutyain ako na kumain dinuguan ay gayon na lang. Pwede ko patulan pero hindi na lang kasi alam ko naman na higit ang pagkatao nya sa ganoon biro.
Nalulungkot lang din ako sa mga kapatid na uusigin na naman, ng mga kapamilya, kaibigan, katrabaho, kakilala at lalo na ng mga amo/boss nila. Kung dito lang sa thread ko na thanking God for 100yrs of blessing eh nasasaktan ako sa pahayag ng iba eh paano pa kaya yung iba.
Yun nga eh may naperwisyo kami kaya tama lang siguro na masaktan damdamin namin. Fair? Hindi siguro pero ok lang basta happy din kayo na nasasabi nyo at naipapahayag saloobin nyo.
Post by: CoolTOYZPH on Sep 01, 2015 at 04:09 PM
That's how it looks.
the other perspective is that INC is asking why was the case directed to DOJ secreatry, when the procedure in court should be prosecutor's office muna
Post by: ricky on Sep 01, 2015 at 04:15 PM
Napakatagal ng isyu yang percentage sa abuluyan. Ang naiba lang sa INC eh lahat nagbibigay, mayaman or mahirap nagbibigay yana kasi ang doktrina. Nakakalungkot nga lang minsan na marami pa din ang nag bibigay ng kumakalansing(barya) yung tipong kung ano lang ang mabunot.
As for endorsing who to vote, hindi talaga ginagawa yon. Minsan nalalaman namin kung sino ang iboboto the night before na ng election para wag ng kumalat pa. Pero yun nga lang bec of media and mga kapatid or even politicians na nagbabanggit na sila ang iboboto.
Post by: Cruzader1986 on Sep 01, 2015 at 04:16 PM
That's how it looks.
the other perspective is that INC is asking why was the case directed to DOJ secreatry, when the procedure in court should be prosecutor's office muna
then why the hell were you yelling Separation of Church and State? even if De Lima broke protocol, it's still a matter of State.
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 01, 2015 at 04:19 PM
Is it then correct to conclude that because the proper procedure was not followed by Delima that the Sangunian called on the congregation stage a peaceful vigil by blocking EDSA?
I cannot answer with certainty.
I cannot read the minds of the Sanggunian.
I am with barrister in saying the rally per se is not illegal BUT if it was up to me, I won't hold it in EDSA so as not to inconvenience a lot of people.
yun ngang naiintindihan na ang ipinaglalaban mo naiinis pa rin ang tao pag nakaabala ka e, yun pang hindi naiintindihan ng non-members?
Post by: CoolTOYZPH on Sep 01, 2015 at 04:20 PM
At this stage I have to admit I do not understand why a peace loving congregation all of a sudden turned into a mob and the way the commentators in the INC channel were speaking was not in-line with their common decorum. The way they made De Lima look like a Devil and the comments of an INC Congressman against Ces Drillon and ABS-CBN was unbecoming.
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 01, 2015 at 04:24 PM
then why the hell were you yelling Separation of Church and State? even if De Lima broke protocol, it's still a matter of State.
maybe same reason that you are yelling at me now. You are mad at what's happening, and venting it on me although I did not join the rally. :)
seriously, i don't know. That's why i did not join the rally.
Post by: ricky on Sep 01, 2015 at 04:31 PM
Is it then correct to conclude that because the proper procedure was not followed by Delima that the Sangunian called on the congregation stage a peaceful vigil by blocking EDSA?
Hindi siguro safe to conclude na yon reason. But what is certain is yung show of force and ang pagiging solid ng mga INC is nothing to be dismissed.
Also walang tagubilin na perwisyuhin ang mga kababayan. Sadya lang sigurong napakarami ng nag kaisa kaya napuno ang lugar. Parang payday friday sale ng mga malls, hindi sadya na abalahin ang traffic yet naaabala pa din sa dami ng pumupunta. Sorry mababaw na comparison kasi mas marami yun sa peaceful vigil/rally.
Also would you believe na every once in a while na meron blood letting/donation activity ang INC para itulong sa red cross? Kasi nga ang dugo ay buhay at bawal ipagdamot.
Meron din mga lingap sa mamamayan, nagbibigay ng tulong financial at medical sa kahit sino , hindi lang sa INC members.
Meaning marami pa din nagawang mabuti kaysa sa perwisyo. Parang buti nga lumala yung traffic kasi ngayon pagtutuunan na ng pansin ng govt joke lang
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 01, 2015 at 04:34 PM
Hindi siguro safe to conclude na yon reason. But what is certain is yung show of force and ang pagiging solid ng mga INC is nothing to be dismissed.
Also walang tagubilin na perwisyuhin ang mga kababayan. Sadya lang sigurong napakarami ng nag kaisa kaya napuno ang lugar. Parang payday friday sale ng mga malls, hindi sadya na abalahin ang traffic yet naaabala pa din sa dami ng pumupunta. Sorry mababaw na comparison kasi mas marami yun sa peaceful vigil/rally.
Also would you believe na every once in a while na meron blood letting/donation activity ang INC para itulong sa red cross? Kasi nga ang dugo ay buhay at bawal ipagdamot.
Meron din mga lingap sa mamamayan, nagbibigay ng tulong financial at medical sa kahit sino , hindi lang sa INC members.
Meaning marami pa din nagawang mabuti kaysa sa perwisyo. Parang buti nga lumala yung traffic kasi ngayon pagtutuunan na ng pansin ng govt joke lang
I agree. madami ding activities na hindi naman namemedia at naibabalita na napakadami din ang members na sumuporta pero hindi nga naging sensational
The backlash really is because of what it caused.
Kung hindi sa EDSA at hindi nakaabala, I think many people might be more forgiving
Post by: CoolTOYZPH on Sep 01, 2015 at 04:35 PM
Lingap sa Mamamayan = selfless.
Vigil at EDSA = selfless?
Does the show of force make it right and moral?
Post by: pTrader on Sep 01, 2015 at 04:36 PM
maybe same reason that you are yelling at me now. You are mad at what's happening, and venting it on me although I did not join the rally. :)
seriously, i don't know. That's why i did not join the rally.
as a member, may K ba kayong malaman?
Post by: krets pulpol on Sep 01, 2015 at 04:37 PM
Post by: ricky on Sep 01, 2015 at 04:39 PM
@ricky, you may ask Rochie who has been to our office that we have staff who are INC members and I personally have very high respect for the INC members. It is why I want to understand the apparent shift/change in character based on the last INC activity to maintain that high respect for the INC. This is the reason why I am personally affected.
At this stage I have to admit I do not understand why a peace loving congregation all of a sudden turned into a mob and the way the commentators in the INC channel were speaking was not in-line with their common decorum. The way they made De Lima look like a Devil and the comments of an INC Congressman against Ces Drillon and ABS-CBN was unbecoming.
Salamat sir for the respect. Yes yun din ang naging reason ko why i did not join the rally, hindi ko kasi alam kung ano talaga reason. Pero it looks like its really serious para umaksyon ng ganoon kalala. 2days sa faura hindi pinansin, ano pa gagawin. Sa govt natin kailangan may numbers para tayo pansinin. Luckily INC has the no and has the convictions. Baka next time mag rally kami para improve ang basic services naman para aksyunan.
Sana maintindihan nyo bakit karamihan sa amin ay nasasaktan, religion namin ang minumura kasi. Hindi perkat ginawa ng isa ay ginawa ng lahat at hindi dahil sinabi ng isa ay sinabi ng lahat.
Wait and see muna tayong lahat, malamang may maganda din itong kalalabasan. perwisyo ng ilang araw baka naman ginhawa ang kapalit.
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 01, 2015 at 04:40 PM
Loko yan si safira talaga hahaha. Babae talaga nagpapahamak sa lalake joke.
Napakatagal ng isyu yang percentage sa abuluyan. Ang naiba lang sa INC eh lahat nagbibigay, mayaman or mahirap nagbibigay yana kasi ang doktrina. Nakakalungkot nga lang minsan na marami pa din ang nag bibigay ng kumakalansing(barya) yung tipong kung ano lang ang mabunot.
As for endorsing who to vote, hindi talaga ginagawa yon. Minsan nalalaman namin kung sino ang iboboto the night before na ng election para wag ng kumalat pa. Pero yun nga lang bec of media and mga kapatid or even politicians na nagbabanggit na sila ang iboboto.
Again I agree. Ako mismo witness sa sinop sa pananalapi. When our chapel was being constructed, nakikita ko kung paano pagalitan ng foreman ang mga construction workers pag may nalalaglag na pako at hindi pinupulot. sinasabi nya na "pag nalaman ni Ka Erdy yan, mapapagalitan tayong lahat. Pulutin nyo"
Yun pala ang prinsipyo ni Ka Erdy yang pako na yan, abuloy ng kapatid yan. wag sayangin
kaya sa amin, wala kang makikitang property na may pangalan na nakalagay na may donated by. pantay-pantay ang ownership
kahit sa lokal namin madami pa din kumakalansing pag nag-abuloy. alam nating barya yun pero walang pinapagalitan o sinusuri dahil dun. kung dun masaya sa halagang yun ang myembro, walang problema.
nagtataka nga ako hanggang ngayon may nagsasabi pa rin na may ikapu daw tayo gayung tutol nga tayo sa aral ng tithing
Post by: ricky on Sep 01, 2015 at 04:40 PM
Bloodletting = Selfless.
Lingap sa Mamamayan = selfless.
Vigil at EDSA = selfless?
Does the show of force make it right and moral?
Timing might not be right pero morally kungyan ang paniniwala mo dapat ipaglaban mo di ba basta hindi illegal
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 01, 2015 at 04:42 PM
as a member, may K ba kayong malaman?
Yes. Issues are discussed during pagsamba (although lesser extent kasi worship services are more for the spiritual noursihing of the soul), circular letters and meetings.
May mga tanging pagtitipon (walang abuluyan) pa kami na naisisingit in between regula pagsamba to discuss important matters relative to the Church.
Post by: rochie on Sep 01, 2015 at 04:45 PM
Hats off to ricky, Quitacet and rochie for replying in a calm and objective manner. It seems you just received the ire of a lot who got affected the past few days. Unlike some members who would just brag their clout through social media and interviews.
sanay na lang sir,mula nung nag-aral hanggang sa trabaho di talaga maiiwasan maka encounter ng mga taong hindi mo kapanalig sa pananampalataya,doktrina na din kasi namin na ang pag-uusig at pangungutya ay talagang napakarami kaya dapat na tibayan na lang ang pananampalataya. basta po maayos ang tanong sasagutin po namin sa abot ng aming makakaya.
Post by: ricky on Sep 01, 2015 at 04:47 PM
Again I agree. Ako mismo witness sa sinop sa pananalapi. When our chapel was being constructed, nakikita ko kung paano pagalitan ng foreman ang mga construction workers pag may nalalaglag na pako at hindi pinupulot. sinasabi nya na "pag nalaman ni Ka Erdy yan, mapapagalitan tayong lahat. Pulutin nyo"
Yun pala ang prinsipyo ni Ka Erdy yang pako na yan, abuloy ng kapatid yan. wag sayangin
kahit sa lokal namin madami pa din kumakalansing pag nag-abuloy. alam nating barya yun pero walang pinapagalitan o sinusuri dahil dun. kung dun masaya sa halagang yun ang myembro, walang problema.
nagtataka nga ako hanggang ngayon may nagsasabi pa rin na may ikapu daw tayo gayung tutol nga tayo sa aral ng tithing
I have nothing against sa kumakalansing, ang sad ako kasi hindi napaghandaan. Sa tunog pa lang mulhang more than 5 or 10 pesos naman yun inihulog, pero bakit hindi pinapalitan ng buong 5 or 10 para wag kumalansing. Sabagay mas may impact yng marami kaysa sa isa hehe joke ulit.
Minsan sumamba ako, pag pasok ko sa kapilya saka ko napansin na wala wallet ko. Ayun labas ulit ako at punta sa kotse . Saka ko naalala na naiwan ko sa mesa nun nagpalit ako. Buti na lang may pailan ilang barya sa compartment. Nagpapalit pa ako sa labas ng kapilya para sa 5 piso, nkakahiya sa Ama.
Post by: ricky on Sep 01, 2015 at 04:51 PM
sanay na lang sir,mula nung nag-aral hanggang sa trabaho di talaga maiiwasan maka encounter ng mga taong hindi mo kapanalig sa pananampalataya,doktrina na din kasi namin na ang pag-uusig at pangungutya ay talagang napakarami kaya dapat na tibayan na lang ang pananampalataya. basta po maayos ang tanong sasagutin po namin sa abot ng aming makakaya.
And to be honest meron din kaming mga kapatid na may tungkulin na masakit din magsalita sa kapwa kapatid, yun ang mas mahirap. Sa kapwa mo kapatid ka matitisod.
Yup may mga pulong at tanging pagtitipon.bihira ako maka attend sadly. Part yun ng tungkulin bilang INC pero hindi ko lubos na matugunan. Nakakahiya
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 01, 2015 at 04:53 PM
And to be honest meron din kaming mga kapatid na may tungkulin na masakit din magsalita sa kapwa kapatid, yun ang mas mahirap. Sa kapwa mo kapatid ka matitisod.
Yup may mga pulong at tanging pagtitipon.bihira ako maka attend sadly. Part yun ng tungkulin bilang INC pero hindi ko lubos na matugunan. Nakakahiya
kahit saang organization may ganyan, whether religious or secular.
pag tao ang tiningnan natin, wala kang mapupuntahan.
Kahit si Cristo nang una may mga myembrong pasaway di ba?
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 01, 2015 at 04:58 PM
Hats off to ricky, Quitacet and rochie for replying in a calm and objective manner. It seems you just received the ire of a lot who got affected the past few days. Unlike some members who would just brag their clout through social media and interviews.
Trust me. we are not proud of those members. Kami sa INC pag may nagawang palpak, nagpapayuhan kami sa isa't isa.
Tawag namin dyan, "pagpapatibay"
nagpapaalalahanan sa bawat isa.
sa amin nga ang aral, kung nagawan ka ng masama ng kapatid mo, ikaw ang inuutusang makipagayos sa kanya para maingatan ang pag-iibigang magkakapatid.
sa isyu ng mga tigas-ulo sa social media, pati sa top gear ako'y nagpadala ng message asking for apology for the other members and for the inconvenience. wala na magagawa e. nangyari na.
kaya okay lang malait ngayon dahil sa nangyari,pero hindi naman sa nagbabangon puri kami, yung ibang backlash below the belt. wala sa isyu.
okay lang kung murahin dahil sa traffic caused. wag naman sana idamay yung ibang issue na wala naman kinalaman sa nangyari.
Post by: krets pulpol on Sep 01, 2015 at 05:03 PM
sanay na lang sir,mula nung nag-aral hanggang sa trabaho di talaga maiiwasan maka encounter ng mga taong hindi mo kapanalig sa pananampalataya,doktrina na din kasi namin na ang pag-uusig at pangungutya ay talagang napakarami kaya dapat na tibayan na lang ang pananampalataya. basta po maayos ang tanong sasagutin po namin sa abot ng aming makakaya.
Actually, INC as a whole was quiet and peaceful since my time being and coexisted with different religious groups in the country. Not until somebody stepped on a hornet's nest recently and all hell broke loose. There will always be a bad seed somewhere especially if the group is big enough just like anywhere.
Move on, and learn from our mistakes. That's what mature people do.
Post by: jackryan on Sep 01, 2015 at 05:04 PM
this is one of the many misconceptions about our handog.
There is no fixed earning contribution for the members.
I can give singko if I want to and no one will know. our abuluyan requires member to drop your handog in a supot which is made of opaque cloth and the deacons who collect them do not look at your contribution. in fact kahit hindi ka maghulog, walang sisita sa yo at hindi ka isusumbong ng naglikom ng handog.
Thanks for clarifying and educating me on this.
Post by: CoolTOYZPH on Sep 01, 2015 at 05:11 PM
Sufficient avenues are available to provide grievance, a censure in the Supreme Court may have been more appropriate if the reason is the failure of De Lima to follow protocol/procedure.
If these avenues fail then then people power/rally/prayer vigil will be justified.
Salamat sir for the respect. Yes yun din ang naging reason ko why i did not join the rally, hindi ko kasi alam kung ano talaga reason. Pero it looks like its really serious para umaksyon ng ganoon kalala. 2days sa faura hindi pinansin, ano pa gagawin. Sa govt natin kailangan may numbers para tayo pansinin. Luckily INC has the no and has the convictions.
Honestly before the Vigil at EDSA, few would say harsh words against the INC. There were more who admired the members than look down upon them.
Sana maintindihan nyo bakit karamihan sa amin ay nasasaktan, religion namin ang minumura kasi. Hindi perkat ginawa ng isa ay ginawa ng lahat at hindi dahil sinabi ng isa ay sinabi ng lahat.
I am in the opinion that the Result does not justify the means because it will lead to anarchy and no different from the 9-11 terrorists fighting for their belief.
Wait and see muna tayong lahat, malamang may maganda din itong kalalabasan. perwisyo ng ilang araw baka naman ginhawa ang kapalit.
Again for me personally the shift/change in decorum of INC members is alarming and it is why I continue to seek to understand the change.
Post by: jackryan on Sep 01, 2015 at 05:13 PM
INC forbids the eating of dinuguan because it is primarily blood. In fact it is not only dinuguan which is forbidden but eating of "binigti" or meat which blood did not come out.
Thanks for helping to clarify the basis for this.
I had to ask because there was an article that came out trying to provide a scientified/historical context why certain areas, religions had to adopt certain practices.
For example, it was explained that for India where today you have a holy cow or sacred cow, the explanation was to prevent people from eating its meat during early times because it was the primary beast of burden and justified to kept alive so to sustain people's harvest, etc.
It also alluded that in the early days, even in the Middle East there was a time that eating pork was not forbidden but due to difficulties of raising them without plenty supply of water, overtime it was mandated not to touch them via religion.
Whether it is truthful or not is questionable but the explanation seemed logical.
Anyway, in one of the biblical quotes, other than blood, fats was also barred from being eaten... does it mean, even for example the pork fat from BBQ is forbidden?
Sorry if this is OT but really intrigued about how things evolved over time in terms of how we practice and observe our religious beliefs.
Again, I do not mean to offend anyone and will keep my curiousity to myself if this is way offensive to our bros / sisters from the INC.
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 01, 2015 at 05:21 PM
Thanks for helping to clarify the basis for this.
I had to ask because there was an article that came out trying to provide a scientified/historical context why certain areas, religions had to adopt certain practices.
For example, it was explained that for India where today you have a holy cow or sacred cow, the explanation was to prevent people from eating its meat during early times because it was the primary beast of burden and justified to kept alive so to sustain people's harvest, etc.
It also alluded that in the early days, even in the Middle East there was a time that eating pork was not forbidden but due to difficulties of raising them without plenty supply of water, overtime it was mandated not to touch them via religion.
Whether it is truthful or not is questionable but the explanation seemed logical.
Anyway, in one of the biblical quotes, other than blood, fats was also barred from being eaten... does it mean, even for example the pork fat from BBQ is forbidden?
Sorry if this is OT but really intrigued about how things evolved over time in terms of how we practice and observe our religious beliefs.
Again, I do not mean to offend anyone and will keep my curiousity to myself if this is way offensive to our bros / sisters from the INC.
no, not at all. you are not offending us. in fact, I appreciate asking the question rather than labelling us this and that.
in the old testament, plenty of what we consider foods now were forbidden:
Leviticus 11New King James Version (NKJV)
Foods Permitted and Forbidden
11 Now the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying to them, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, saying, ‘These are the animals which you may eat among all the animals that are on the earth: 3 Among the animals, whatever divides the hoof, having cloven hooves and chewing the cud—that you may eat. 4 Nevertheless these you shall not eat among those that chew the cud or those that have cloven hooves: the camel, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is unclean to you; 5 the rock hyrax, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is unclean to you; 6 the hare, because it chews the cud but does not have cloven hooves, is unclean to you; 7 and the swine, though it divides the hoof, having cloven hooves, yet does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. 8 Their flesh you shall not eat, and their carcasses you shall not touch. They are unclean to you.
9 ‘These you may eat of all that are in the water: whatever in the water has fins and scales, whether in the seas or in the rivers—that you may eat. 10 But all in the seas or in the rivers that do not have fins and scales, all that move in the water or any living thing which is in the water, they are an abomination to you. 11 They shall be an abomination to you; you shall not eat their flesh, but you shall regard their carcasses as an abomination. 12 Whatever in the water does not have fins or scales—that shall be an abomination to you.
13 ‘And these you shall regard as an abomination among the birds; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, the vulture, the buzzard, 14 the kite, and the falcon after its kind; 15 every raven after its kind, 16 the ostrich, the short-eared owl, the sea gull, and the hawk after its kind; 17 the little owl, the fisher owl, and the screech owl; 18 the white owl, the jackdaw, and the carrion vulture; 19 the stork, the heron after its kind, the hoopoe, and the bat.
20 ‘All flying insects that creep on all fours shall be an abomination to you. 21 Yet these you may eat of every flying insect that creeps on all fours: those which have jointed legs above their feet with which to leap on the earth. 22 These you may eat: the locust after its kind, the destroying locust after its kind, the cricket after its kind, and the grasshopper after its kind. 23 But all other flying insects which have four feet shall be an abomination to you.
Unclean Animals
24 ‘By these you shall become unclean; whoever touches the carcass of any of them shall be unclean until evening; 25 whoever carries part of the carcass of any of them shall wash his clothes and be unclean until evening: 26 The carcass of any animal which divides the foot, but is not cloven-hoofed or does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. Everyone who touches it shall be unclean. 27 And whatever goes on its paws, among all kinds of animals that go on all fours, those are unclean to you. Whoever touches any such carcass shall be unclean until evening. 28 Whoever carries any such carcass shall wash his clothes and be unclean until evening. It is unclean to you.
29 ‘These also shall be unclean to you among the creeping things that creep on the earth: the mole, the mouse, and the large lizard after its kind; 30 the gecko, the monitor lizard, the sand reptile, the sand lizard, and the chameleon. 31 These are unclean to you among all that creep. Whoever touches them when they are dead shall be unclean until evening. 32 Anything on which any of them falls, when they are dead shall be unclean, whether it is any item of wood or clothing or skin or sack, whatever item it is, in which any work is done, it must be put in water. And it shall be unclean until evening; then it shall be clean. 33 Any earthen vessel into which any of them falls you shall break; and whatever is in it shall be unclean: 34 in such a vessel, any edible food upon which water falls becomes unclean, and any drink that may be drunk from it becomes unclean. 35 And everything on which a part of any such carcass falls shall be unclean; whether it is an oven or cooking stove, it shall be broken down; for they are unclean, and shall be unclean to you. 36 Nevertheless a spring or a cistern, in which there is plenty of water, shall be clean, but whatever touches any such carcass becomes unclean. 37 And if a part of any such carcass falls on any planting seed which is to be sown, it remains clean. 38 But if water is put on the seed, and if a part of any such carcass falls on it, it becomes unclean to you.
39 ‘And if any animal which you may eat dies, he who touches its carcass shall be unclean until evening. 40 He who eats of its carcass shall wash his clothes and be unclean until evening. He also who carries its carcass shall wash his clothes and be unclean until evening.
41 ‘And every creeping thing that creeps on the earth shall be an abomination. It shall not be eaten. 42 Whatever crawls on its belly, whatever goes on all fours, or whatever has many feet among all creeping things that creep on the earth—these you shall not eat, for they are an abomination. 43 You shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creeps; nor shall you make yourselves unclean with them, lest you be defiled by them. 44 For I am the Lord your God. You shall therefore consecrate yourselves, and you shall be holy; for I am holy. Neither shall you defile yourselves with any creeping thing that creeps on the earth. 45 For I am the Lord who brings you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God. You shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.
46 ‘This is the law of the animals and the birds and every living creature that moves in the waters, and of every creature that creeps on the earth, 47 to distinguish between the unclean and the clean, and between the animal that may be eaten and the animal that may not be eaten.’”
But these are considered cleaned already though some animals one would not really intend to eat even up to this time.
But blood is not part of the "food group" and in fact even meat tainted with blood in the sense that it was strangled (binigti) is still forbidden in the Christian era.
Blood also symbolizes the sacrifice of Christ (with his blood) to redeem men. That is why in the Old Testament, animals are sacrificed to God, and the blood is drained from the animals as wage for sins committed. Fats are burned because as the bible says, the smell is pleasing to God.
Post by: GIJoe on Sep 01, 2015 at 05:22 PM
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Post by: Quitacet on Sep 01, 2015 at 05:30 PM
If di pa din maintindihan ng mga taga INC napakalaking issue ata sa kanila na si de lima ang pinaendorsohan ng kasapi nila nung reklamo. Ano magagawa ni de lime kung hindi paunlakan kasi sa doj pumunta yung kasapi.
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I think one of the complaints is like what Duterte said:
Dapat sa piskalya muna.
Post by: jackryan on Sep 01, 2015 at 05:52 PM
no, not at all. you are not offending us. in fact, I appreciate asking the question rather than labelling us this and that.
thanks and appreciate your efforts in helping clarify this...
Post by: frequenzy on Sep 01, 2015 at 06:08 PM
I think one of the complaints is like what Duterte said:hindi ba mas pabor sa INC kung deretso agad sa DOJ para maaksyunan agad at mabilis matapos ang kaso.
Dapat sa piskalya muna.
halos lahat ng may kaso ang gusto nila mapabilis ang proseso, INC lang ata ang may ayaw nito.
this was the reason given by atty topacio, bakit daw inuna ang INC instead of the saf44 cases etc. so parang ang balak ng INC is tumagal ang kaso sa korte at makalimutan na lang.
Post by: toys4geeks on Sep 01, 2015 at 06:12 PM
I think one of the complaints is like what Duterte said:
Dapat sa piskalya muna.
Tama naman si Duterte.
Siguro kasi high profile which catches an aspirant to pick it up since its in her avenue anyways kung may own agenda man eh, hmm, "doing my job".
until we know anong puno't dulo ng sigalot na yan, eh we speculate.
Post by: pTrader on Sep 01, 2015 at 06:15 PM
hindi ba mas pabor sa INC kung deretso agad sa DOJ para maaksyunan agad at mabilis matapos ang kaso.
halos lahat ng may kaso ang gusto nila mapabilis ang proseso, INC lang ata ang may ayaw nito.
this was the reason given by atty topacio, bakit daw inuna ang INC instead of the saf44 cases etc. so parang ang balak ng INC is tumagal ang kaso sa korte at makalimutan na lang.
regarding SAF 44, eh bakit inde nagpunta ang INC sa EDSA noong kasagsagan ng SAF 44 issue?
eh bakit inde sila pumunta sa EDSA upang ipanawagan yung mga kaso na inde naaksyonan ni De Lima?
eh, nangyari ito bago nagpakaSamson si Samson...
IJuander?
Post by: toys4geeks on Sep 01, 2015 at 06:32 PM
maybe same reason that you are yelling at me now. You are mad at what's happening, and venting it on me although I did not join the rally. :)
seriously, i don't know. That's why i did not join the rally.
Kaya nga sa akin lang 'wag lahatin, pero ang isang malinaw ata kung meron mang kailangan sumagot ay ang sanggunian. Di ko alam kung sasagutin nila para maintindihan natin, o sasagutin nila batay sa kanilang basehan na di tiyak if will appeal to us outside of INC.
Malinaw lang at this time na hindi lahat ay sumama sa panawagan, may ilan na hindi kumilos dahil sa kanilang pagiisip hindi pa panahon o di nararapat.
Lahat naman ng tao may pangangailangan ng pananampalataya, san man yan manggaling. May leadership sila na siyang sasagot sa kanilang miyembro sa kanilang panahon. Djan nanggagaling ang conviction at character ng tao. Eh swerte nga tayo dito me mga members na napagtatanungan ano ba ang nasa kaisipan sa likod ng mga bagay bagay na hindi natin naiintindihan.
Marahil galit ang marami na naapektohan directly, yung iba galit dahil sa logic pero di naman sila naapektuhan directly. kaya nga salamat sa haba ng pasensya nyo ricky at iba pang INC at hindi ala facebook na pigil sa gigil ang sagutan natin dito. Di ko ata kaya yang ginagawa nyo if it was the other way around.
sa usaping pag aalay, sa RC nga(yes I am RC) madalas may second collection pa, sa ibang kadahilanan ng parokya o simbahan. mukhang kulang ang bigay namin kaya't kinailangan ulit.
Post by: GIJoe on Sep 01, 2015 at 06:34 PM
I think one of the complaints is like what Duterte said:
Dapat sa piskalya muna.
Eh problema sa DOJ dumiretso yung kasapi ng INC dahil siguro naiisip niya na nanganganib na ang buhay niya. Ikaw bro san ka pupunta pag alam mo na nanganganib na buhay mo sa piskalya pa ba? ;) ;) ;)
Post by: tonedeaf on Sep 01, 2015 at 06:38 PM
I think one of the complaints is like what Duterte said:Just to clarify, the case filed against the Sanggunian is being heard by a fiscal. Not by De Lima, as Secretary of justice. The only difference is that it is being heard by a fiscal stationed at the DOJ in Padre Faure and not a fiscal whose jurisdiction is over a particular territory (e.g. QC, Makati)
Dapat sa piskalya muna.
As a rule, it is preferred that a case is filed before a fiscal with a particular territory (where the crime was allegedly committed). I think the complainants chose to file with the DOJ because of the perceived influence which the INC may have over a fiscal stationed in QC. If you want to file with the DOJ, you must be able to cite some peculiar circumstance such as this.
This means that after the fiscal decides the case, it is still appealable to the Secretary of Justice.
HTH.
Post by: tony on Sep 01, 2015 at 06:41 PM
Actually, INC as a whole was quiet and peaceful since my time being and coexisted with different religious groups in the country. Not until somebody stepped on a hornet's nest recently and all hell broke loose. There will always be a bad seed somewhere especially if the group is big enough just like anywhere.
Move on, and learn from our mistakes. That's what mature people do.
i agree with this...after all they are not saints...
Post by: tony on Sep 01, 2015 at 06:55 PM
i wish it was as simple as that.
Madali siguro kung para sa iba like you na ibang grupo ang kinabibilangan. For INC, it is very different. Words cannot explain the faith of the members. It's easy for people from the outside looking in to comment and that is why I respect their opinions. For somebody who embraced the faith, mahirap gawin yan.
for many members, the Church remains intact in terms of doctrines. Ang kaguluhan ay hindi doctrinal per se. kaya maraming ayaw at hindi aalis ay dahil walang pupuntahang ibang grupo espousing the same set of beliefs.
For many, it's like waiting out for the storm to pass and the Sanggunian members (if guilty) to be hang (not literally).
many members are waiting for whatever outcomes these recent issues have brought.
I think it has something to do with the prohibition in the Bible of eating blood.
yes, and like pork from the pig, while the pig has hoofed feet, it does not chew cuds, kaya bawal....
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 01, 2015 at 06:59 PM
Eh problema sa DOJ dumiretso yung kasapi ng INC dahil siguro naiisip niya na nanganganib na ang buhay niya. Ikaw bro san ka pupunta pag alam mo na nanganganib na buhay mo sa piskalya pa ba? ;) ;) ;)
Maaring tama ka.
Sinagot ko lang naman yung tanong/post mo sa itaas. I said isa yun sa reason ng INC. Pero kung sa tingin ng INC sanggunian mali yung sa DOJ secreatry diniretso, eh wla na tayong magagawa dun.
Meron pala, we can criticize the move (rally) and that's what people are doing now.
Okay lang naman yun. mga tao din sila.
Di ba sabi ko nga I am for the "RULE OF LAW"
in my personal view it is really a court matter already.
hayaan na lang gumulong ang proseso ng hustisya.
Walang problema sa akin kahit makulong ang walong ministro na sinampahan ng kaso kung talagang nagkasala sila nang ipinararatang sa kanila. Better yun for the INC
Post by: tony on Sep 01, 2015 at 07:01 PM
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 01, 2015 at 07:03 PM
hindi ba mas pabor sa INC kung deretso agad sa DOJ para maaksyunan agad at mabilis matapos ang kaso.
halos lahat ng may kaso ang gusto nila mapabilis ang proseso, INC lang ata ang may ayaw nito.
this was the reason given by atty topacio, bakit daw inuna ang INC instead of the saf44 cases etc. so parang ang balak ng INC is tumagal ang kaso sa korte at makalimutan na lang.
personally, yes kung ako mas mabilis mas mainam. pero hindi ako yung sanggunian kaya hindi ko masasagot for them. I can only give my perspective.
actually may nangyari nang pagpupulong ang INC together with other groups as early as february including grupo ng COPA with saycon, pati yata si Eid Cabalu spokesperson dati ng MILF, at i heard with other groups pa para idulog sa government ang ibat ibang issues including SAF44 kasi dalawa sa napatay ay mga kaanib ng INC. i think doon nakapaloob ang hiling ng inc about saf44.
nabnggit na lang ulit sa rally kasi nga nagagalit na
Post by: CoolTOYZPH on Sep 01, 2015 at 07:44 PM
Isn't the issue of the SAF 44 as stated below an issue of the State and not the Church?
actually may nangyari nang pagpupulong ang INC together with other groups as early as february including grupo ng COPA with saycon, pati yata si Eid Cabalu spokesperson dati ng MILF, at i heard with other groups pa para idulog sa government ang ibat ibang issues including SAF44 kasi dalawa sa napatay ay mga kaanib ng INC. i think doon nakapaloob ang hiling ng inc about saf44.
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 02, 2015 at 07:56 AM
I thought the issue for the Vigil was to call for "Separation of Church and State"?
Isn't the issue of the SAF 44 as stated below an issue of the State and not the Church?
Yes nabanggit ko lang because it was asked/part of frequenzy's post.
Post by: pTrader on Sep 02, 2015 at 10:53 AM
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Senator Aquilino “Koko” Pimentel III defended Justice Secretary Leila De Lima against accusations by Iglesia ni Cristo (INC) leaders she is meddling in the internal affairs of the religious sect.
Pimentel, Senate committee on justice and human rights chair, said De Lima, who ordered an investigation into the criminal case filed by one of its expelled members, have the right to take up the case as part of her duty as head of the agency.
While the group has the right to exercise their freedom of assembly, the senator said he disagrees with the INC’s call for the DOJ not to prioritize the case filed former INC minister Isaias Samson, Jr. against higher INC executives last week.
“I disagree, because instead of asking for that, we should be calling on the DOJ to expedite the case; to tell them not to do so, is not acceptable,” Pimentel said in an interview over Radio DZBB.
“What if the DOJ acts on the case and immediately and finds it nothing then it might just dismiss the complaint. That’s the way it is. Anyone has a right to file a criminal complaint especially if it is important to him, especially if he feels his rights were violated,” Pimentel pointed out.
The senator said Samson’s case is reminiscent of the case of Benhur Luy, the principal witness in the alleged P10-billion pork barrel fund scam of businesswoman Janet Lim-Napoles.
Luy, on the same grounds, filed illegal detention against Napoles, his former employer, which the DOJ acted on.
“The nature of the complaint was serious illegal detention, so that DOJ has an obligation to look into it because it’s a serious public crime, people of the Philippines versus the suspect. If the complaint was about financial dishonesty then maybe it might an internal matter. But you wouldn’t know unless you conduct an investigation. So before they know what is the nature of the problem they have to investigate it first,” said the senator.
“I don’t think the complaint is against any church or any religion; it is against a person. So part of the job of DOJ is to accept the complaint and conduct a preliminary investigation and check the basic facts,” Pimentel said.
“Now if they find it involves the Revised Penal Code or any law, public crime, they will investigate it further formally,” he pointed out.
source: http://www.mb.com.ph/pimentel-defends-de-lima-vs-inc-accusations/
Above is a more balance approach.
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 02, 2015 at 10:56 AM
source: http://www.mb.com.ph/pimentel-defends-de-lima-vs-inc-accusations/
Above is a more balance approach.
I agree.
I heard Pimentel in an interview in DZBB and I agree to his stand and observations.
Post by: bartender on Sep 02, 2015 at 11:47 AM
yes, and like pork from the pig, while the pig has hoofed feet, it does not chew cuds, kaya bawal....
From what I am aware of, the Kosher diet is one that follows the Bible restrictions, that includes the prohibition of pork, fish with no scales and crustaceans.
Post by: toys4geeks on Sep 02, 2015 at 01:02 PM
THE IGLESIA NI CRISTO DEBACLE: A Four-Point Critical Analysis (http://juan.com.ph/cover-story/the-iglesia-ni-cristo-debacle-a-four-point-critical-analysis/)
Post by: tony on Sep 02, 2015 at 05:33 PM
in the Philippine setting, the RC lost all political power when the Americans colonized us...
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Firstly, the Iglesia ni Cristo copies the Catholic Church in the medieval period. Back in what many call the Dark Ages, social life is divided between the secular and the religious, and the priest or bishop was deemed as powerful as a prince or a king. Popes crowned kings and the Church has a say in secular affairs. The secular, on the other hand, has limited hand over the Church. There is no separation of Church and State (which is a modern invention), and the integrity of the society is maintained by this balance. (If you don’t get the picture, I advise you to watch Game of Thrones and see how the show gives reference to the power of the Church albeit indirectly.)
Post by: pTrader on Sep 02, 2015 at 05:42 PM
wow...the article reinforces my earlier posts about the medieval state of the INC as what happened to the RC back in the days....
in the Philippine setting, the RC lost all political power when the Americans colonized us...
There is the roaring of the lion and the growling of the young lion, but the teeth of the young lions are broken.
Post by: tony on Sep 02, 2015 at 05:46 PM
it is just a matter of what are you going to do about it...that makes the difference....
the article i think speaks to all religions and not just the INC...
Post by: jjlovemusic on Sep 02, 2015 at 06:35 PM
and another article out there:
http://juan.com.ph/cover-story/the-iglesia-ni-cristo-debacle-a-four-point-critical-analysis/
Since he was comparing to the RC and Protestants, compared to ministro's, most priests and bishops are multi-degree holder - Psych, history, even chem eng, etc., aside from the regular courses of the church.
I recall the bishop who is head of the cathedral and catholic school near our home, he holds about 8 degrees already up to PHD, various books and researches written, and he's now 55y/o. Though he said that he wants to be more of an "adviser" to an institution than be the head of it. For me, I believe that this is an example of a competent leader... Now, how do higher ministro's gain their ranks again?
Post by: rochie on Sep 02, 2015 at 06:48 PM
Now, how do higher ministro's gain their ranks again?
some of them also holds bachelor/Master/PHD. I remember a friend of mine who is one of my instructor when i was in college(AMACC) holds a bachelor's degree then took up master's degree in computer science before enrolling to become a minister. a cousin of mine is a graduate of engineering before he went to become a minister too.the ministers who headed our construction/legal and other departments also holds degree in various professional field(accountant/engineer/lawyer etc etc).
Post by: pTrader on Sep 02, 2015 at 07:03 PM
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Metro Manila (CNN Philippines) — Former senator and human rights stalwart Rene Saguisag likens the recent protest action of Iglesia ni Cristo (INC) to what China has been doing in the West Philippine Sea: "super bullying" the Philippine government.
"I see INC super bullying us... What they're doing is they're bullying the government, bullying the DOJ (Department of Justice), bullying Leila (de Lima)," Saguisag said on Monday (August 31).
He said that in the same way that the government cannot interfere with INC's internal affairs, the religious group also cannot dictate upon the government — in reference to the constitutional provision of the separation of the church and state.
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Saguisag explained that if a criminal complaint is lodged against any group — religious or nonreligious — it would be the duty of the government to act upon it.
"No one is above the law," he called out to INC members.
source: http://cnnphilippines.com/news/2015/08/31/INC-super-bullying-govt---Saguisag.html
DOJ not violating INC’s religious freedom - sociologist
Post by: pTrader on Sep 02, 2015 at 07:13 PM
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The INC maintained the DOJ has no right to meddle in the church’s internal affairs as there is a doctrine on the separation of church and state, as guaranteed under the Constitution.
But according to Commission on Human Rights (CHR) chairperson Chito Gascon, the doctrine of separation of church and state does not apply in this instance.
“This is a matter involving the proper exercise of powers by the justice department involving an investigation of a case that may involve violation of law that exempts no one,” Gascon said.
“The doctrine of separation involves the following: 1. State does not favor any particular religion (non-establishment clause) and 2. Every person is able to believe and practice faith (free exercise clause),” he explained.
Gascon maintained that no individual or organization is exempt from investigations on alleged violations of the laws of the land.
source: http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2015/08/31/1494182/iglesia-sets-nationwide-protests-vs-doj-probe
Post by: praktikal on Sep 02, 2015 at 08:05 PM
Post by: jjlovemusic on Sep 02, 2015 at 08:22 PM
some of them also holds bachelor/Master/PHD. I remember a friend of mine who is one of my instructor when i was in college(AMACC) holds a bachelor's degree then took up master's degree in computer science before enrolling to become a minister. a cousin of mine is a graduate of engineering before he went to become a minister too.the ministers who headed our construction/legal and other departments also holds degree in various professional field(accountant/engineer/lawyer etc etc).
That's great. How about anything related to the study of man, behavior, religion, history, exorcism, demons, etc.,.?
How about the higher ups? Just the higher ups of ministro's, not the other departments boss, naturally, they are needed in that field kung sa legal or infra or finance, etc.,.
Does your cousin and friend believe it is righteous rallying in EDSA? Do you?
Is a religious leader excused from the law?
I'm not against the religion boss ha. Sa corrupt and manipulative leaders lang, even sa Gov't and RC And anywhere else.
Post by: devlin_waugh on Sep 02, 2015 at 08:45 PM
Post by: tony on Sep 03, 2015 at 06:21 AM
That's great. How about anything related to the study of man, behavior, religion, history, exorcism, demons, etc.,.?
How about the higher ups? Just the higher ups of ministro's, not the other departments boss, naturally, they are needed in that field kung sa legal or infra or finance, etc.,.
Does your cousin and friend believe it is righteous rallying in EDSA? Do you?
Is a religious leader excused from the law?
I'm not against the religion boss ha. Sa corrupt and manipulative leaders lang, even sa Gov't and RC And anywhere else.
while mankind itself is about 2.4million years old, the bible is what? over 2000 years old?....surely human history is abundantly rich with spirituality......those whose spirituality is solely based on the bible can be missing a lot.....kaya maraming nakabasa ng bible gusto magtayo ng sarili nilang iglesia....
Post by: jjlovemusic on Sep 03, 2015 at 07:33 AM
while mankind itself is about 2.4million years old, the bible is what? over 2000 years old?....surely human history is abundantly rich with spirituality......those whose spirituality is solely based on the bible can be missing a lot.....kaya maraming nakabasa ng bible gusto magtayo ng sarili nilang iglesia....The Bible's foundation is built on history way back beyond that. Wala pang Christianity nuon. Afaik, Muslim/Islam is the oldest enduring religion who believes in God.
The Bible is the most powerful book of all time and can be interpreted by one, in so many ways.
Post by: bumblebee on Sep 03, 2015 at 07:35 AM
Afaik, Muslim/Islam is the oldest enduring religion who believes in God.
Islam is the youngest.
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 03, 2015 at 07:54 AM
Islam is the youngest.
And has the same roots with Abraham.
Post by: jjlovemusic on Sep 03, 2015 at 09:09 AM
Islam is the youngest.
And has the same roots with Abraham.
Sorry, I meant the roots where it was founded on was older than Christ. Abraham was older than Christ, and we cannot say that Abraham and the older prophets was already a Christians.
Sige one of the "oldest+enduring believers" of God nalang pala ;D
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 03, 2015 at 09:15 AM
Sorry, I meant the roots where it was founded on was older than Christ. Abraham was older than Christ, and we cannot say that Abraham and the older prophets was already a Christians.
Sige one of the "oldest+enduring believers" of God nalang pala ;D
They cannot be called christians before Christ was born but are already christians because they already had faith in the upcoming messiah. ;)
Post by: jjlovemusic on Sep 03, 2015 at 09:59 AM
They cannot be called christians before Christ was born but are already christians because they already had faith in the upcoming messiah. ;)
I consider him also as a Christian. ;)
Can Abraham be considered as a Muslim also? Or any other religion that's not based on Christ if there Bible (or version of it) tells them that Abraham is one of them?
I also have faith in the Divine, master nel, but not in men. Kaya manalo o matalo, kay Christ pa din ako ;D
Post by: SiCkBoY on Sep 03, 2015 at 10:19 AM
Post by: pTrader on Sep 03, 2015 at 10:26 AM
I wonder about those that are recently engaged na isang Iglesia and the other is from another faith. After this display by the Iglesia faithful, may mga kasalan kaya na di matutuloy because ayaw na magpa convert nung isa?
civil wedding sagot diyan..
Post by: SiCkBoY on Sep 03, 2015 at 10:27 AM
civil wedding sagot diyan..
Ang alam ko, hindi papayag ang Iglesia dyan. At hindi rin magpapatalo.
Post by: deist on Sep 03, 2015 at 10:32 AM
To get an idea how old the major religions are, pls see the graph below:
(http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/religion101/files/2012/10/How-Old.jpg)
Left pane indicates the number of years in existence.
I consider him also as a Christian. ;)
Can Abraham be considered as a Muslim also? Or any other religion that's not based on Christ if there Bible (or version of it) tells them that Abraham is one of them?
I also have faith in the Divine, master nel, but not in men. Kaya manalo o matalo, kay Christ pa din ako ;D
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 03, 2015 at 10:38 AM
I consider him also as a Christian. ;)
Can Abraham be considered as a Muslim also? Or any other religion that's not based on Christ if there Bible (or version of it) tells them that Abraham is one of them?
Yes pero from thier point of view. ;D
Post by: pTrader on Sep 03, 2015 at 10:42 AM
Ang alam ko, hindi papayag ang Iglesia dyan. At hindi rin magpapatalo.
Kaya nga itinitiwalag ng ibang INC ang sarili nila para makasama yung mahal nila.
Post by: jjlovemusic on Sep 03, 2015 at 10:42 AM
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 03, 2015 at 10:46 AM
San yung Illuminati? ;D
Sa SM North may Illuminati pa. Ang gaganda ng mga ilaw kaso mahal. Haha!
Post by: jjlovemusic on Sep 03, 2015 at 11:00 AM
Yes pero from thier point of view. ;D
Yup. Let's leave it at that :D
Sa SM North may Illuminati pa. Ang gaganda ng mga ilaw kaso mahal. Haha!
Meron din malapit samin :)
BTT.
Surely that a religion was built on good faith, but what about the condition of the current leaders of INC? Is there intention still pure? Have we ever considered that we might be supporting the wrong side?
Just something to ponder on.
Only God knows... hu das not pay ;D
Post by: CoolTOYZPH on Sep 03, 2015 at 12:23 PM
Post by: tony on Sep 03, 2015 at 12:25 PM
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kay Christ pa din ako ;D
ako rin....kaya lang sa dami ng nagsasabing kay Kristo sila, sino kayang Kristo ang tinutukoy nila? kung sa buhay naman nila walang makitang palatandaan ni Kristo...puro daldal lang at debate ang gusto nila.... >:D
Post by: pTrader on Sep 03, 2015 at 02:25 PM
Still hoping and waiting for INC leader Eduardo V. Manalo to speak about the INC activity.
malabo ata ito, they will drag their members to road for rally to protect themselves(INC leaders)
as what they did in ESDA the last time.
Post by: pTrader on Sep 03, 2015 at 02:34 PM
ako rin....kaya lang sa dami ng nagsasabing kay Kristo sila, sino kayang Kristo ang tinutukoy nila? kung sa buhay naman nila walang makitang palatandaan ni Kristo...puro daldal lang at debate ang gusto nila.... >:D
yup, debate at pag na kokorner na i-di-divert kung saan saan gaya ng Edsa, yuung issue ng illegal detention, i-divert ba sa separation of church and state, saf44 and etc..
pasensya na sa mga INC dito na matinong mag-isip, speaking from experience lang..
Post by: dpogs on Sep 03, 2015 at 02:37 PM
Still hoping and waiting for INC leader Eduardo V. Manalo to speak about the INC activity.
Di kaya mala puppet na lang to... Hawak ng Sangunian.
Post by: CoolTOYZPH on Sep 03, 2015 at 02:58 PM
Hopefully it will reveal what some members have mentioned but will not share categorically.
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Di kaya mala puppet na lang to... Hawak ng Sangunian.
Post by: praktikal on Sep 03, 2015 at 03:19 PM
Ang alam ko, hindi papayag ang Iglesia dyan. At hindi rin magpapatalo.
mahal mo ang isang anak ng Diyos pero DAPAT INC din sya... matinding sakripisyo. so, kung wala kang makitang kapwa INC hanap ka nalang ng willing talikuran ang kanyang nakagisnang relihiyon.
ano nga ba ang proseso para sa mga gustong lumabas kung sakaling manaig ang puso dahil ayaw magpa convert ng kasintahang hindi INC?
Post by: bartender on Sep 03, 2015 at 04:01 PM
Di kaya mala puppet na lang to... Hawak ng Sangunian.
Eto din naisip ko. Kaya nga tinatanong ko kung sino ang nagalagay sa poder sa Executive Minister at sa mga myembro ng Sanggunian.
Post by: disturbed on Sep 03, 2015 at 04:22 PM
mahal mo ang isang anak ng Diyos pero DAPAT INC din sya... matinding sakripisyo. so, kung wala kang makitang kapwa INC hanap ka nalang ng willing talikuran ang kanyang nakagisnang relihiyon.
ano nga ba ang proseso para sa mga gustong lumabas kung sakaling manaig ang puso dahil ayaw magpa convert ng kasintahang hindi INC?
alam ko nasagot na ito before dito..pwede ka ata mag submit ng letter..forgot kung ano tawag dun sa type ng letter..pero pwede sya gawin
Post by: SiCkBoY on Sep 03, 2015 at 04:44 PM
Post by: rochie on Sep 03, 2015 at 05:11 PM
Yeah, and may exit interview. Nothing out of the ordinary.
parang sa work lang,ayaw mo na pasa ka resignation, tapos kakausapin ka supervisor mo kung bakit ka aalis,hingin side mo at sasagutin kung may mga katanungan na hindi maintindihan, tapos pirma na umaalis ka na. pero very rare lang ako nakakaencounter ng ganyan mas madalas eh hindi na lang sasamba or bigla na lang mawawala, yung iba naman mag-papakasal na lang sa hindi din INC ayun mababalitaan na lang natiwalag na.
Post by: pTrader on Sep 03, 2015 at 05:35 PM
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And so my dilemma goes... I need advice about leaving this church even if the repercussions would be to be ultimately shunned by my whole clan, all my INC friends and worse, to be kicked out of the house and to be forced to live alone. I am sorry for the long letter. I wish for anonymity for the situation I am in… hope you understand
Read: http://www.rappler.com/life-and-style/relationships/90389-two-pronged-iglesia-ni-cristo-leave-advice
Post by: pTrader on Sep 03, 2015 at 05:37 PM
Bloc-Voting or Chuch "Self Interest"
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We show power in numbers through bloc-voting and secure key positions in the government in order to protect the interests of the church, never mind whether it’s a corrupt official as long as the church is secured. This is why INC was indifferent during the People Power I despite all the atrocious harm done towards the Filipino people - all because we allied with former president Ferdinand Marcos, the dictator.
source: http://www.rappler.com/move-ph/ispeak/66102-iglesia-ni-cristo-mentality-exclusivity
Post by: SiCkBoY on Sep 03, 2015 at 06:03 PM
Leaving the INCParang mali no? If one leaves INC, he will be shunned by his whole clan, friends, etc.
Read: http://www.rappler.com/life-and-style/relationships/90389-two-pronged-iglesia-ni-cristo-leave-advice
Pupunta na nga sya sa impiyerno eh, while his whole clan and INC friends eh magkikita kita pa sa langit. Dapat nga they should spend more time with him habang nabubuhay pa sa mundong ibabaw.
Post by: tony on Sep 03, 2015 at 06:10 PM
it is not the church that will save him.....
conscience will dictate, not the church...
we don't obey another men, we only obey Jesus....
Jesus walked this earth with only the cloth on his back....
and as followers of Jesus Christ, we should store riches in heaven instead,
not here on earth, where those riches can be stolen, burned or rust away...
Post by: disturbed on Sep 03, 2015 at 06:14 PM
Parang mali no? If one leaves INC, he will be shunned by his whole clan, friends, etc.
Pupunta na nga sya sa impiyerno eh, while his whole clan and INC friends eh magkikita kita pa sa langit. Dapat nga they should spend more time with him habang nabubuhay pa sa mundong ibabaw.
dito hindi ako sure ha other members can chime in
tingin ko ung mga umabot sa ganyan is ung me nilabag na doctrines at nahuli like nakabuntis na hindi INC
alam ko hindi naman ni aannounce ung mga names nung mga nawala na lang bigla at hindi sumasamba, ung mga umalis ng maayos ganun..
pra sa akin malaki kasalanan mo kung name mo eh iannounce sa church at sabihin na hindi ka na din pwedeng kausapin..yan ung thinking ko
Post by: pTrader on Sep 03, 2015 at 06:24 PM
Parang mali no? If one leaves INC, he will be shunned by his whole clan, friends, etc.
Pupunta na nga sya sa impiyerno eh, while his whole clan and INC friends eh magkikita kita pa sa langit. Dapat nga they should spend more time with him habang nabubuhay pa sa mundong ibabaw.
well, inde mali sir, may mga friends ako ganyan ang na-experienced.
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Post by: ABCmotorparts on Sep 03, 2015 at 11:01 PM
Sorry ha, pero isang malaking kulto na pinamumunuan ng isang nagsasabing sya ay sugo ng ama ang grupo na ito...
Na lumawak ng todo ang kapangyarihan...
Post by: raptor on Sep 04, 2015 at 02:18 AM
My past GF was an INC, hindi kami nagkatuluyan kasi sabi ni ex dati ay pati daw pamilya nya ay matitiwalag pag sumama sya sa akin...
Sorry ha, pero isang malaking kulto na pinamumunuan ng isang nagsasabing sya ay sugo ng ama ang grupo na ito...
Na lumawak ng todo ang kapangyarihan...
kulto talaga, may private army pa at grupo ng hired killers
Post by: ninjababez® on Sep 04, 2015 at 07:45 AM
I wonder about those that are recently engaged na isang Iglesia and the other is from another faith. After this display by the Iglesia faithful, may mga kasalan kaya na di matutuloy because ayaw na magpa convert nung isa?IMO bro mas madali pa para sa isang believer mag pa convert. same thing happened to my friend, devoted RC magulang nya at sya pero di naman sya nahirapan mag adjust kasi nga naman, god is god daw. mas kawawa atheist sa ganyan.
Post by: praktikal on Sep 04, 2015 at 08:40 AM
kulto talaga, may private army pa at grupo ng hired killers
ganyang ganyan din ang matagal ko ng naririnig. kesyo takot kumontra o kumalas kasi baka mapahamak ang buhay. no choice sila. andun yung uneasy sila esp pag pinuntahan na sa bahay. kung totoo man yan aba'y nasaan ang freedom ng tao?
naalala ko tuloy ang tungkol kay binay na dati sa sabi sabi ko lang narinig ang mga kwento tungkol sa mga condo units, bahay at iba pang raket. ngayon isiniwalat na sa media at may pruweba pa.
anyways, yung four way test ng rotary is good enough para i-remind ang tao paano mamuhay ng maayos.
Post by: pao9307 on Sep 04, 2015 at 08:58 AM
Post by: Cruzader1986 on Sep 04, 2015 at 09:22 AM
My past GF was an INC, hindi kami nagkatuluyan kasi sabi ni ex dati ay pati daw pamilya nya ay matitiwalag pag sumama sya sa akin...
Sorry ha, pero isang malaking kulto na pinamumunuan ng isang nagsasabing sya ay sugo ng ama ang grupo na ito...
Na lumawak ng todo ang kapangyarihan...
buti na lang di natipuan ng manyakis na ministro ex mo. Ex ng kaibigan ko, gf nya ay natipuan ng matanda na ministro (mga 50s), mid-20s pa yung dalaga.
3 choices binigay
1) Pakasal sa pangit at matandang ministro
2) Pakasal kaagad sa ibang INC member (poblema di INC kaibigan ko rin)
3) Umalis sa INC (meaning pati pamilya papaalisin)
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 04, 2015 at 09:32 AM
On a member marrying a non-member: The INC follows the OT and NT on inter-faith marriages that's why same faith marriage is the only on allowed. OT talks about Israelites being forbidden to marry non-Israelites because of the issue of having different faiths (worshipping other Gods). Books Exodus, Deuteronomy, Ezra, Nehemias and Malachi talk about these. Of course made an exemption to this when he married a non-Israelite but it is an exemption rather than the rule.
In the NT, 1 and 2 Corinthians briefly talks about this as well. Of course one may argue NOW that since a Catholic and an INC are both Christians, then there's no problem since the Bible talks about Christians and Pagans inter-faith marriage not Sect and a different sect. We have to realize that there are no different sects then and only one group of faithfuls. Today different Christian sects espouse different set of beliefs thus the INC applying the inter-faith marriage towards INC and other religions (regardless of Christianity-affiliation)
My question to Catholics is this: Does the Catholic Church approve of and allow, say an INC man (born into INC and have not received Catholic baptism) to marry in Catholic Church and a Catholic woman without requiring the INC to receive Catholic baptism first, therefore receiving and espousing Catholic faith thus receiving membership in the Catholic Church? If your answer is NO, then I rest my case. If the man needs to be baptized into Catholicism first, then what is the difference in the principle between INC and RC?
While I understand that expulsion and excommunication is not practised now by RC, it does not mean it is not part of its dogma.
I understand that a lot of INC teaching and practices seem a bit odd for many people outside looking into the organization. This is one of the reasons why there are a lot of misconceptions about the church. I do not blame people for talking bad about the Church especially after what just recently happened. The Church is not perfect insofar as it is governed by imperfect men.
But in order to understand it, one do not simply study it in the Internet fora or social media.
People say the Church is only about membership so it can generate a lot of tithes, etc. The irony is, if one say Catholic approach us and say I want to join your Church, he needs to listen to doctrines first, then have to attend worship services and meetings for about six months (without absences except for unavoidable reasons), then afterwards, he will be tested/examined via an interview if he truly knows the doctrines, and then he will be asked to sign a non-compulsion statement that he is joining the Church not for any other reason but because he believes and has faith in its doctrines. Tithing is forbidden in INC yet many people believes we practice them. Some people ridicule us by not eating blood not realizing it is biblical. In fact many say members are forbidden to own bibles (not true) but it is them who do not know that blood-eating is forbidden in the bible as it is not considered food and it symbolizes the life and the life that Jesus gave for man's redemption.
If we only care about numbers why go to that long tedious process, and statistics will show a high percentage of those who undergo these processes can not withstand the rigors of it, and then they stop. What I am driving at is that membership in the Church (like any other organization) is propelled by faith in its doctrines and rules. If you do not agree with the teachings, then do not join it.
On bloc-voting: This is probably the most difficult part of the doctrine to explain to non-members. Bloc-voting is not the center and end of the Unity doctrine of the Church. Like any other Church, the INC holds the unity doctrine but to a different extent compared to many. The INC is united in everything, yes including voting. Let me use an example an analogy of how this works. (Disclaimer, I will be exaggerating) Say you join an organization, sabihin na nating pdvd, and there is this one senator saying okay, let's legalize piracy since we cannot stop it here in the Phils. the PDVD community decided to make a stand and decided we will not support this candidate but instead we will support his opponent who is against this senator. As a group we support one and we despise the other. but come voting time, you are alone in the precinct. you can vote for anyone you want to. This is the same with the INC, we do not report back who we voted for. they do not audit us. Yes we are united. but we are individuals too. in the pdvd example if after voting ricky posted here, sorry guys, i voted for Senator Pirated. He will not be banned here but I am sure he will get the ire of some other members. Because pdvd policy do not have an expulsion policy for that. But it has an expulsion policy for certain acts. If you are against it, then don't join pdvd. In INC if you say after voting, i did not vote for Pnoy. You may be expelled because INC has a policy on this. You don't like this policy? Do not join. You are willing to accept this policy? You may join subject to procedures.
My point is this, I understand you don't like some doctrines of the INC and that's why you did not join it. And yes, you may attack them. But I am inviting everyone before anyone makes a complete opinion on the subject (INC), why not study it closer. LIsten to its teachings. There are no strings attached.
Thank you to those who understand and thank you also to those who criticize. We may have different beliefs that lead us sometimes to disrespect the beliefs, but my belief is that I can still respect you as persons though I may not share your beliefs.
Thanks.
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 04, 2015 at 09:34 AM
buti na lang di natipuan ng manyakis na ministro ex mo. Ex ng kaibigan ko, gf nya ay natipuan ng matanda na ministro (mga 50s), mid-20s pa yung dalaga.
3 choices binigay
1) Pakasal sa pangit at matandang ministro
2) Pakasal kaagad sa ibang INC member (poblema di INC kaibigan ko rin)
3) Umalis sa INC (meaning pati pamilya papaalisin)
Sorry to say but this is not biblical if this is indeed true. The remedy to this is very simple. SAY NO!
My wife was courted by a minister before we got married. she simply said NO. that was the end of it.
Post by: Servus on Sep 04, 2015 at 10:13 AM
On pag-ayaw sa INC: Anyone can leave anytime. You can either make a written statement so the Church and the local officials will not be blamed later if your name is removed from the roster of members, or you can just absent yourselves from church activities especially worship services but this will be the long process to take since you will be visited by local officials to advise you. If you say "ayaw mo na", they will advise you still to make a written statement if talagang ayaw mo na. There are reasons kasi na failure to attend worship services are due to problems like unemployment wherein in most cases the officers and the church will help you look for employment.
long process pa rin yan they will still try to bother you baka sakaling "magising ka pa". if you want an easy way out ng walang paliwanagan, kumuha ka ng transfer then ilagay mo malayong lokal na tatransfer-an, tapos tapon mo na yong transfer paper mo. i did it 8 years ago and very effective. parents ko lang yong nagtry na kumausap sa akin.
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 04, 2015 at 10:16 AM
long process pa rin yan they will still try to bother you baka sakaling "magising ka pa". if you want an easy way out ng walang paliwanagan, kumuha ka ng transfer then ilagay mo malayong lokal na tatransfer-an, tapos tapon mo na yong transfer paper mo. i did it 8 years ago and very effective. parents ko lang yong nagtry na kumausap sa akin.
pwede din to.
Post by: kidlat08 on Sep 04, 2015 at 10:51 AM
On pag-ayaw sa INC: Anyone can leave anytime. You can either make a written statement so the Church and the local officials will not be blamed later if your name is removed from the roster of members, or you can just absent yourselves from church activities especially worship services but this will be the long process to take since you will be visited by local officials to advise you. If you say "ayaw mo na", they will advise you still to make a written statement if talagang ayaw mo na. There are reasons kasi na failure to attend worship services are due to problems like unemployment wherein in most cases the officers and the church will help you look for employment.
On a member marrying a non-member: The INC follows the OT and NT on inter-faith marriages that's why same faith marriage is the only on allowed. OT talks about Israelites being forbidden to marry non-Israelites because of the issue of having different faiths (worshipping other Gods). Books Exodus, Deuteronomy, Ezra, Nehemias and Malachi talk about these. Of course made an exemption to this when he married a non-Israelite but it is an exemption rather than the rule.
In the NT, 1 and 2 Corinthians briefly talks about this as well. Of course one may argue NOW that since a Catholic and an INC are both Christians, then there's no problem since the Bible talks about Christians and Pagans inter-faith marriage not Sect and a different sect. We have to realize that there are no different sects then and only one group of faithfuls. Today different Christian sects espouse different set of beliefs thus the INC applying the inter-faith marriage towards INC and other religions (regardless of Christianity-affiliation)
My question to Catholics is this: Does the Catholic Church approve of and allow, say an INC man (born into INC and have not received Catholic baptism) to marry in Catholic Church and a Catholic woman without requiring the INC to receive Catholic baptism first, therefore receiving and espousing Catholic faith thus receiving membership in the Catholic Church? If your answer is NO, then I rest my case. If the man needs to be baptized into Catholicism first, then what is the difference in the principle between INC and RC?
While I understand that expulsion and excommunication is not practised now by RC, it does not mean it is not part of its dogma.
I understand that a lot of INC teaching and practices seem a bit odd for many people outside looking into the organization. This is one of the reasons why there are a lot of misconceptions about the church. I do not blame people for talking bad about the Church especially after what just recently happened. The Church is not perfect insofar as it is governed by imperfect men.
But in order to understand it, one do not simply study it in the Internet fora or social media.
People say the Church is only about membership so it can generate a lot of tithes, etc. The irony is, if one say Catholic approach us and say I want to join your Church, he needs to listen to doctrines first, then have to attend worship services and meetings for about six months (without absences except for unavoidable reasons), then afterwards, he will be tested/examined via an interview if he truly knows the doctrines, and then he will be asked to sign a non-compulsion statement that he is joining the Church not for any other reason but because he believes and has faith in its doctrines. Tithing is forbidden in INC yet many people believes we practice them. Some people ridicule us by not eating blood not realizing it is biblical. In fact many say members are forbidden to own bibles (not true) but it is them who do not know that blood-eating is forbidden in the bible as it is not considered food and it symbolizes the life and the life that Jesus gave for man's redemption.
If we only care about numbers why go to that long tedious process, and statistics will show a high percentage of those who undergo these processes can not withstand the rigors of it, and then they stop. What I am driving at is that membership in the Church (like any other organization) is propelled by faith in its doctrines and rules. If you do not agree with the teachings, then do not join it.
On bloc-voting: This is probably the most difficult part of the doctrine to explain to non-members. Bloc-voting is not the center and end of the Unity doctrine of the Church. Like any other Church, the INC holds the unity doctrine but to a different extent compared to many. The INC is united in everything, yes including voting. Let me use an example an analogy of how this works. (Disclaimer, I will be exaggerating) Say you join an organization, sabihin na nating pdvd, and there is this one senator saying okay, let's legalize piracy since we cannot stop it here in the Phils. the PDVD community decided to make a stand and decided we will not support this candidate but instead we will support his opponent who is against this senator. As a group we support one and we despise the other. but come voting time, you are alone in the precinct. you can vote for anyone you want to. This is the same with the INC, we do not report back who we voted for. they do not audit us. Yes we are united. but we are individuals too. in the pdvd example if after voting ricky posted here, sorry guys, i voted for Senator Pirated. He will not be banned here but I am sure he will get the ire of some other members. Because pdvd policy do not have an expulsion policy for that. But it has an expulsion policy for certain acts. If you are against it, then don't join pdvd. In INC if you say after voting, i did not vote for Pnoy. You may be expelled because INC has a policy on this. You don't like this policy? Do not join. You are willing to accept this policy? You may join subject to procedures.
My point is this, I understand you don't like some doctrines of the INC and that's why you did not join it. And yes, you may attack them. But I am inviting everyone before anyone makes a complete opinion on the subject (INC), why not study it closer. LIsten to its teachings. There are no strings attached.
Thank you to those who understand and thank you also to those who criticize. We may have different beliefs that lead us sometimes to disrespect the beliefs, but my belief is that I can still respect you as persons though I may not share your beliefs.
Thanks.
As a fellow INC member, you said what's exactly in my mind. Thanks sir Quitacet.
Post by: SiCkBoY on Sep 04, 2015 at 10:53 AM
IMO bro mas madali pa para sa isang believer mag pa convert. same thing happened to my friend, devoted RC magulang nya at sya pero di naman sya nahirapan mag adjust kasi nga naman, god is god daw. mas kawawa atheist sa ganyan.
I think I would have to disagree. While it is true that both are of the same belief that there is only one God and that God is God, para sa akin na isang Catholic, mahirap tanggapin na yun mga kasapi lang sa faith ko ang pupunta sa langit. I was raised to view God as a loving God, regardless of race, creed, faith, religion, etc.
Will I be able to love a God that only favors the Catholics for instance? I don't think so. Mahirap yun. God is God. Wala sya dapat vested interest in any of these.
Post by: tony on Sep 04, 2015 at 11:04 AM
I think I would have to disagree. While it is true that both are of the same belief that there is only one God and that God is God, para sa akin na isang Catholic, mahirap tanggapin na yun mga kasapi lang sa faith ko ang pupunta sa langit. I was raised to view God as a loving God, regardless of race, creed, faith, religion, etc.
Will I be able to love a God that only favors the Catholics for instance? I don't think so. Mahirap yun. God is God. Wala sya dapat vested interest in any of these.
amen to this....
Jesus asks us to love one another as we love Him....no ifs and buts about this....
so that if you hurt your fellow man in any manner, then you really are not loving Jesus...
no two ways about this...
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 04, 2015 at 11:09 AM
amen to this....
Jesus asks us to love one another as we love Him....no ifs and buts about this....
so that if you hurt your fellow man in any manner, then you really are not loving Jesus...
no two ways about this...
Love your enemies pa nga di ba?
Post by: tony on Sep 04, 2015 at 11:17 AM
Love your enemies pa nga di ba?
agape....
"when a roman soldier slaps you on the left cheek, give him the right cheek...
if he asks you to carry a load for him a kilometer, carry it another kilometer...."
"when someone gives you bread, will you repay it with stones?"
we were brought up with these teachings....
but today we see preachers telling members, "siksik, liglig at umaapaw" na yaman....
magbigay ka lang ng ikapu....
ang nangyari sa mga members na sanggunian ng Iglesia, hindi pa nga inaabutan ng sampal,
ng pre-emptive strike na....kahit labag sa mga turo nila ang pagsali sa strikes at rallies....
Post by: dpogs on Sep 04, 2015 at 11:22 AM
Sana naman hindi ganito ang turo ng INC.
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 04, 2015 at 11:31 AM
I think I would have to disagree. While it is true that both are of the same belief that there is only one God and that God is God, para sa akin na isang Catholic, mahirap tanggapin na yun mga kasapi lang sa faith ko ang pupunta sa langit. I was raised to view God as a loving God, regardless of race, creed, faith, religion, etc.
Will I be able to love a God that only favors the Catholics for instance? I don't think so. Mahirap yun. God is God. Wala sya dapat vested interest in any of these.
yet salvation exclusivity is a doctrine of RC. as pointed out by barrister, the latin extra eccelsiam nulla salus doctrine is embraced and is a dogma of RC.
while it may not be emphasized, or taught now. it still is RC's doctrine.
I do not fault RC for it. All sects embrace it otherwise there's no need for joining one if you can be saved anywhere.
The reason why people get uncomfortable with a sect's doctrine of say exclusivity is sometimes simply because the person doesn't realize his organization embraces the same doctrine.
Even Christ is exclusive in the sense na if you don't believe in Him, you'll not be saved (except for some instances like what barrister and I agreed on - no law-nosin principle). One can also argue here na, ang sama naman ng Dios, nilalang nya tao pero impyerno lang pala bagsak. Kawawa naman mga Buddhists, Taoists, etc.
Post by: SiCkBoY on Sep 04, 2015 at 11:39 AM
yet salvation exclusivity is a doctrine of RC. as pointed out by barrister, the latin extra eccelsiam nulla salus doctrine is embraced and is a dogma of RC.
while it may not be emphasized, or taught now. it still is RC's doctrine.
I do not fault RC for it. All sects embrace it otherwise there's no need for joining one if you can be saved anywhere.
The reason why people get uncomfortable with a sect's doctrine of say exclusivity is sometimes simply because the person doesn't realize his organization embraces the same doctrine.
Even Christ is exclusive in the sense na if you don't believe in Him, you'll not be saved (except for some instances like what barrister and I agreed on - no law-nosin principle). One can also argue here na, ang sama naman ng Dios, nilalang nya tao pero impyerno lang pala bagsak. Kawawa naman mga Buddhists, Taoists, etc.
Hindi ako mahilig sa mga ganito eh so I had to Google it. Ang alam ko lang is kung ano ang nakagisnan ko. It turns out na Vatican II pala yun nakagisnan ko. Baka iba yung turo noon pero iba na ang tinuro sakin. I don't think may Catholic priest today na magsasabi na Catholics lang ang maliligtas.
It is evident, therefore, the Roman Catholic Church has dramatically shifted her position on the doctrine of salvation. In reality she teaches today that people of any faith (or, perhaps, none) can be saved by means of religious sincerity, because this is in effect anonymous Christianity.
http://www.justforcatholics.org/catholicism_today.htm (http://www.justforcatholics.org/catholicism_today.htm)
Post by: tony on Sep 04, 2015 at 11:44 AM
just because some one in the RC wrote such things in the very distant past,
does not mean it is relevant till today, such thinking has no place in today's modern world...
exclusivity is wrong no matter who uttered it....
Post by: SiCkBoY on Sep 04, 2015 at 11:47 AM
Everyday, I bring my daughter to school. She's in nursery. So she plays with her classmates before the start of class. Nakakatuwa panoorin ang mga bata.
How will I be able to sleep at night... how will I be able to live with myself, if my belief is that those lovely kids she plays with are going to hell? Simply because they are of different faith?
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 04, 2015 at 11:51 AM
Hindi ako mahilig sa mga ganito eh so I had to Google it. Ang alam ko lang is kung ano ang nakagisnan ko. It turns out na Vatican II pala yun nakagisnan ko. Baka iba yung turo noon pero iba na ang tinuro sakin. I don't think may Catholic priest today na magsasabi na Catholics lang ang maliligtas.
It is evident, therefore, the Roman Catholic Church has dramatically shifted her position on the doctrine of salvation. In reality she teaches today that people of any faith (or, perhaps, none) can be saved by means of religious sincerity, because this is in effect anonymous Christianity.
http://www.justforcatholics.org/catholicism_today.htm (http://www.justforcatholics.org/catholicism_today.htm)
If that is the case then there's no issue if say a thousand other religions embrace exclusivity doctrine because in RC's point of view naman pala, everyone will be saved. If RC is correct, then even the exclusivists will be saved. if one exclusivist sect is correct, dun lang magkakaproblema ang RC. RC in itself should not be bothered by other exclusivist sects.
But then again, for purists, they might say, so people before Vatican II died espousing a different doctrine and thus, beliefs. If that doesn't mean anything, so is other group having a different set of beliefs that might not be in-line with RC's current ones.
Post by: SiCkBoY on Sep 04, 2015 at 11:52 AM
If that is the case then there's no issue if say a thousand other religions embrace exclusivity doctrine because in RC's point of view naman pala, everyone will be saved. If RC is correct, then even the exclusivists will be saved. if one exclusivist sect is correct, dun lang magkakaproblema ang RC. RC in itself should not be bothered by other exclusivist sects.
But then again, for purists, they might say, so people before Vatican II died espousing a different doctrine and thus, beliefs. If that doesn't mean anything, so is other group having a different set of beliefs that might not be in-line with RC's current ones.
You missed my point, actually. My point is Reply 872.
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 04, 2015 at 11:53 AM
If my religion will say na kami lang ang maliligtas, I will walk away from it.
Everyday, I bring my daughter to school. She's in nursery. So she plays with her classmates before the start of class. Nakakatuwa panoorin ang mga bata.
How will I be able to sleep at night... how will I be able to live with myself, if my belief is that those lovely kids she plays with are going to hell? Simply because they are of different faith?
Nope. That's why in the INC children are not baptized. They do not sin. They are not yet capable of religious faith. Children are heaven-bound no matter what her/his parents' religion is.
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 04, 2015 at 11:54 AM
You missed my point, actually.
No I didn't.
you said RC once embraced exclusivity doctrine.
Now it doesn't anymore.
and this catholic website has a different take on Vatican II exclusivity doctrine:
Necessary for Salvation
As we have seen, God introduced salvation to the world through his chosen people, the Jews. God’s revelation to the Jews found its fulfillment in Christ, the Messiah, who established the Catholic Church. The grace necessary for salvation continues to come from Christ, through his Church. Those who innocently do not know and embrace this might still attain salvation but those who knowingly and willingly choose to reject it, reject salvation on God’s terms.
The Catechism (once again quoting Lumen Gentium) summarizes all this as follows:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. (CCC 846)
this is the Catholic view of the no-law-no-sin principle I mentioned.
Post by: tony on Sep 04, 2015 at 11:56 AM
everything else do not matter more than this......
Post by: SiCkBoY on Sep 04, 2015 at 11:56 AM
Nope. That's why in the INC children are not baptized. They do not sin. They are not yet capable of religious faith. Children are heaven-bound no matter what her/his parents' religion is.
Again, you missed my point.
May colleague ako. We work hard. We talk about our work-related issues. Sometimes we have lunch together, sometimes not. We talk about our families all the time. He's a nice guy. A devoted family man, from what I can tell.
How will I be able to sleep at night... how will I be able to live with myself, if my belief is that he and his lovely family are all going to hell? Simply because they are of different faith?
Post by: dpogs on Sep 04, 2015 at 11:57 AM
If my religion will say na kami lang ang maliligtas, I will walk away from it.
Everyday, I bring my daughter to school. She's in nursery. So she plays with her classmates before the start of class. Nakakatuwa panoorin ang mga bata.
How will I be able to sleep at night... how will I be able to live with myself, if my belief is that those lovely kids she plays with are going to hell? Simply because they are of different faith?
The reason we are going to hell is
- not because we have different faith
- not because we didnt believe in God
- not because we never heard the Gospel
- not because we mever read the Bible
It is because we sin against God, we are sinners before God.
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 04, 2015 at 11:58 AM
Again, you missed my point.
May colleague ako. We work hard. We talk about our work-related issues. Sometimes we have lunch together, sometimes not. We talk about our families all the time. He's a nice guy. A devoted family man, from what I can tell.
How will I be able to sleep at night... how will I be able to live with myself, if my belief is that he and his lovely family are all going to hell? Simply because they are of different faith?
let another Catholic answer that:
http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/what-no-salvation-outside-the-church-means
Post by: SiCkBoY on Sep 04, 2015 at 12:05 PM
let another Catholic answer that:
http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/what-no-salvation-outside-the-church-means
I am talking about my own personal belief. What I am saying is, I won't be able to live with myself if my personal belief is that my friends are all going to hell. I've been a Catholic all my life and wala kahit sinong pari ang nagsabi sakin na salvation only lies within Catholicism. What I quoted above is what I know and what was taught to me.
Again, if the Catholic Church will preach to me that only Catholics are going to heaven, I will walk away. I don't go to church anymore, but I was a Knight of the Altar for several years when I was younger. Kahit kelan, walang nagsabi ng ganyan.
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 04, 2015 at 12:06 PM
The reason we are going to hell is
- not because we have different faith
- not because we didnt believe in God
- not because we never heard the Gospel
- not because we mever read the Bible
It is because we sin against God, we are sinners before God.
And if I so may add:
Because you reject Jesus as your ONE and ONLY saviour.
The death of Jesus Christ would not make sense if may iba palang way.
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 04, 2015 at 12:12 PM
I am talking about my own personal belief. What I am saying is, I won't be able to live with myself if my personal belief is that my friends are all going to hell. I've been a Catholic all my life and wala kahit sinong pari ang nagsabi sakin na salvation only lies within Catholicism. What I quoted above is what I know and what was taught to me.
Again, if the Catholic Church will preach to me that only Catholics are going to heaven, I will walk away. I don't go to church anymore, but I was a Knight of the Altar for several years when I was younger. Kahit kelan, walang nagsabi ng ganyan.
Fair enough. I understand if it is personal beliefs.
I thought we were discussing this "exclusivity" to you being a member of RC Church, that's why I was trying to prove it in the doctrinal perspective.
just to add for other members' information:
http://www.catholiceducation.org/en/religion-and-philosophy/apologetics/without-the-church-there-is-no-salvation.html
This explains that the inclusivity of RC in salvation is on the matter of happenstance. If you live at a time and a place where the gospel of Catholicism did not reach you, you can still be saved even if you are not part of Christ's body which is the church.
But
Since Jesus established the Catholic Church as necessary for salvation, those who knowingly and willingly reject him or his Church cannot be saved.
-http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/what-no-salvation-outside-the-church-means
so a professing Christian who knew of the Catholic Church, understand its doctrines but rejects it/them and decided to join a different group (say Protestant) will not be saved using this standard.
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 04, 2015 at 12:15 PM
And if I so may add:
Because you reject Jesus as your ONE and ONLY saviour.
The death of Jesus Christ would not make sense if may iba palang way.
I agree but many (if not all Christian religions) extend rejection of Christ to rejection of his body (which is the Church) like what I have quoted above in relation to RC claim of the Catholic Church as Christ's body. If you reject the body, then you reject Christ.
I know this is not acceptable for everybody. I am just explaining the concept above.
Post by: SiCkBoY on Sep 04, 2015 at 12:19 PM
I thought we were discussing this "exclusivity" to you being a member of RC Church, that's why I was trying to prove it in the doctrinal perspective.
Yeah, but like I said, I didn't even know about that. Walang nagtuturo nyan. Hindi yan sinasabi sa mass. I went to Catholic schools and walang nagsabi ng ganyan sa mga religion subjects.
Kasi if I was told nun bata pa lang ako na only Catholics will go to heaven, I will question it. And I won't be able to live with myself.
Post by: tony on Sep 04, 2015 at 12:21 PM
what you mentioned is foreign to us, we were never thought that that i can remember....
I agree but many (if not all Christian religions) extend rejection of Christ to rejection of his body (which is the Church) like what I have quoted above in relation to RC claim of the Catholic Church as Christ's body. If you reject the body, then you reject Christ.
I know this is not acceptable for everybody. I am just explaining the concept above.
Post by: tony on Sep 04, 2015 at 12:24 PM
Yeah, but like I said, I didn't even know about that. Walang nagtuturo nyan. Hindi yan sinasabi sa mass. I went to Catholic schools and walang nagsabi ng ganyan sa mga religion subjects.
Kasi if I was told nun bata pa lang ako na only Catholics will go to heaven, I will question it. And I won't be able to live with myself.
we in the RC are never blind followers.....i will also vehemently object to this if any priest mentioned it...
the fact that the others keep mentioning this is because they themselves believe in exclusivity...
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 04, 2015 at 12:25 PM
to us in the RC, the "body of Christ" is served in the holy communion in every mass....
what you mentioned is foreign to us, we were never thought that that i can remember....
Just because it was not taught to you does not mean it is not RC's doctrine.
Pope Francis Proclaims the Church is the Living Body of Christ and Calls for Christian Unity
http://www.catholic.org/news/international/europe/story.php?id=51423
Quote
Too often, even Catholics do not understand that to belong to Jesus the Head means to belong to His Body, the Church.
Post by: dpogs on Sep 04, 2015 at 12:28 PM
Yeah, but like I said, I didn't even know about that. Walang nagtuturo nyan. Hindi yan sinasabi sa mass. I went to Catholic schools and walang nagsabi ng ganyan sa mga religion subjects.
Kasi if I was told nun bata pa lang ako na only Catholics will go to heaven, I will question it. And I won't be able to live with myself.
Now that you know it, aalis ka ba bilang isang katoliko?
Post by: SiCkBoY on Sep 04, 2015 at 12:29 PM
Now that you know it, aalis ka ba bilang isang katoliko?
Eh hindi nga yan ang tinuturo eh.
Post by: tony on Sep 04, 2015 at 12:31 PM
Just because it was not taught to you does not mean it is not RC's doctrine.
Pope Francis Proclaims the Church is the Living Body of Christ and Calls for Christian Unity
http://www.catholic.org/news/international/europe/story.php?id=51423
very easy to twist things around it you think it will serve your purpose....
can't blame you for that, you are not a catholic, but we catholics understand the message of the Pope...
Post by: tony on Sep 04, 2015 at 12:34 PM
Now that you know it, aalis ka ba bilang isang katoliko?
kung ikaw, aalis ka? never mind...i am sure you will....:D
Post by: dpogs on Sep 04, 2015 at 12:34 PM
Eh hindi nga yan ang tinuturo eh.
Hmm okay
What is the reason why you take your communion?
Post by: tony on Sep 04, 2015 at 12:37 PM
communions are done in recollection of the last supper,
In the last supper, Jesus broke bread, gave it his disciples
and said, take this, this is my body..........
Post by: dpogs on Sep 04, 2015 at 12:42 PM
i seldom take communion, i feel i am not clean enough...
communions are done in recollection of the last supper,
In the last supper, Jesus broke bread, gave it his disciples
and said, take this, this is my body..........
Is communion essential for us to be in heaven?
Or is it necessary to take xommunion para makapunta sa langit?
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 04, 2015 at 12:42 PM
And if I so may add:
Because you reject Jesus as your ONE and ONLY saviour.
The death of Jesus Christ would not make sense if may iba palang way.
I agree but many (if not all Christian religions) extend rejection of Christ to rejection of his body (which is the Church) like what I have quoted above in relation to RC claim of the Catholic Church as Christ's body. If you reject the body, then you reject Christ.
I know this is not acceptable for everybody. I am just explaining the concept above.
Yes sir. And that includes the teachings to be our guide and our light as well.
One difference I also see is that Jesus is a God in most sects, including RC. That is one reason why rejecting Jesus will deprive you of salvation because rejecting Jesus would also mean rejecting God.
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 04, 2015 at 12:45 PM
i seldom take communion, i feel i am not clean enough...
communions are done in recollection of the last supper,
In the last supper, Jesus broke bread, gave it his disciples
and said, take this, this is my body..........
Okay lang yun sir. You can simply pray for forgiveness to God with a sincere heart. Then you can take communion na.
Post by: dpogs on Sep 04, 2015 at 12:48 PM
Okay lang yun sir. You can simply pray for forgiveness to God with a sincere heart. Then you can take communion na.
+1 on this. I have nothing more to say.
Post by: tony on Sep 04, 2015 at 12:49 PM
Is communion essential for us to be in heaven?
Or is it necessary to take xommunion para makapunta sa langit?
no.....it is as i said a commemoration of the last supper...
Post by: tony on Sep 04, 2015 at 12:49 PM
Okay lang yun sir. You can simply pray for forgiveness to God with a sincere heart. Then you can take communion na.
i take my confessions straight to God....
most religions are doctrinistic and ritualistic.....
i do not subscribe to that....
Post by: dpogs on Sep 04, 2015 at 12:52 PM
no.....it is as i said a commemoration of the last supper...
Thank you. Hope there are more catholics like you.
Post by: Cruzader1986 on Sep 04, 2015 at 12:56 PM
Sorry to say but this is not biblical if this is indeed true. The remedy to this is very simple. SAY NO!
My wife was courted by a minister before we got married. she simply said NO. that was the end of it.
coz obviously every INC Minister has a good heart and never abuses his power ::)
Post by: luis on Sep 04, 2015 at 01:02 PM
coz obviously every INC Minister has a good heart and never abuses his power ::)
;D
Post by: tony on Sep 04, 2015 at 01:16 PM
Thank you. Hope there are more catholics like you.
what more is it supposed to be?
the holy mass is just one of those rituals...
a gathering of the faithful to remember Jesus Christ,
to hear of the good news of Christ's' dying on the cross to save us from sin.....
Post by: tony on Sep 04, 2015 at 01:20 PM
;D
;D ;D ;)
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 04, 2015 at 01:41 PM
very easy to twist things around it you think it will serve your purpose....
can't blame you for that, you are not a catholic, but we catholics understand the message of the Pope...
Its' not about my purpose. This is a very basic doctrine of RC. I am actually surprised you do not know theat the Catholic Church is considered by Vatican as the BODY of CHRIST.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p2.htm
Colossians 1:18King James Version (KJV)
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
This one of your teachings.
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 04, 2015 at 01:43 PM
coz obviously every INC Minister has a good heart and never abuses his power ::)
I never said that and never will I.
Post by: tony on Sep 04, 2015 at 01:45 PM
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 04, 2015 at 01:48 PM
unlike you there are more important things with us, than argue no end...
SMH
Post by: tony on Sep 04, 2015 at 02:02 PM
we can never expect you to understand our faith....we can only tolerate you....
shake you head some more..... >:D ;)
Post by: GIJoe on Sep 04, 2015 at 02:24 PM
just as we can never understand why the INC practice block voting and endorse political candidates,
we can never expect you to understand our faith....we can only tolerate you....
shake you head some more..... >:D ;)
Yung block voting di naman daw lahat binoboto ng kasapi yung endorse ng INC siguro yung mga nakakapag isip. Saka tanung diyan now bat sila tumatawag ng separation ng church and politics so dapat sa election di na sila mag endorse ng pulitiko? >:D >:D
Post by: majoe on Sep 04, 2015 at 02:55 PM
Yung block voting di naman daw lahat binoboto ng kasapi yung endorse ng INC siguro yung mga nakakapag isip. Saka tanung diyan now bat sila tumatawag ng separation ng church and politics so dapat sa election di na sila mag endorse ng pulitiko? >:D >:D
korek ;)
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 04, 2015 at 02:59 PM
just as we can never understand why the INC practice block voting and endorse political candidates,
we can never expect you to understand our faith....we can only tolerate you....
shake you head some more..... >:D ;)
yeah actually I'm shaking my head when I read this:
"Dear friends, let us ask the Lord, through the intercession of the Virgin Mary, Mother of the Church, for the grace to never fall into the temptation of thinking we can make it without others, that we can get along without the Church, that we can save ourselves alone, of being Christians of the laboratory. On the contrary, you cannot love God without loving your brothers, you cannot love God outside of the Church; you cannot be in communion with God without being so in the Church."
Post by: tigkal on Sep 04, 2015 at 03:12 PM
Post by: rochie on Sep 04, 2015 at 03:16 PM
Yung friend ko was attending INC church but eventually stopped kasi daw hindi nya matanggap na si Cristo ay tao and angel si manalo. ewan if true doctrine.
Sir baka naman ang tinutukoy ay si Angel Manalo nga talaga? hehehehe sorry po medyo nagpapatawa lang :D :D :D.
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 04, 2015 at 03:18 PM
Yung friend ko was attending INC church but eventually stopped kasi daw hindi nya matanggap na si Cristo ay tao and angel si manalo. ewan if true doctrine.
the doctrine is Tao in the sense na hindi siya Dios, but not ordinary sinful man like me, or you (not that I am saying sinful ka, but man). Monotheistic ang INC. no other God maliban sa Father. Jesus is Son of God but not God. He did not sin, and he WAS GIVEN a lot of powers by God. That is the essence of that, not "TAO LANG". In fact we consider him as Lord and the only mediator between God and man. That's why walang confessional sa INC.
Angel is not heavenly angel as one would normally think of (having wings, from heaven, etc). It's from Angelus, meaning mensaher, messenger, tagahatid balita, or in the old tagalog Sugo. and no sugo is not above Jesus Christ.
angel (n.) Look up angel at Dictionary.com
14c. fusion of Old English engel (with hard -g-) and Old French angele, both from Latin angelus, from Greek angelos "messenger, envoy, one that announces,"
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=angel
Post by: SiCkBoY on Sep 04, 2015 at 04:49 PM
Yung friend ko was attending INC church but eventually stopped kasi daw hindi nya matanggap na si Cristo ay tao and angel si manalo. ewan if true doctrine.
Baka mali lang sya ng narinig. Baka Angel Manalo narinig nya, yung nasa YouTube.
Post by: SiCkBoY on Sep 04, 2015 at 04:50 PM
Sir baka naman ang tinutukoy ay si Angel Manalo nga talaga? hehehehe sorry po medyo nagpapatawa lang :D :D :D.
Eh hehe! My thoughts exactly. Just to lighten the discussion.
Post by: Philander on Sep 04, 2015 at 05:17 PM
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/09/04/15/doj-summon-iglesia-ni-cristo-leaders
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 04, 2015 at 05:19 PM
DOJ to summon INC Leaders:
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/09/04/15/doj-summon-iglesia-ni-cristo-leaders
I'm all for this. kung guilty, ikulong sila. they deserve that
Post by: newwaveboy on Sep 04, 2015 at 05:20 PM
DOJ to summon INC Leaders:
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/09/04/15/doj-summon-iglesia-ni-cristo-leaders
Naku po ....... delikado na naman ang EDSA nito. ;)
Post by: GIJoe on Sep 04, 2015 at 05:54 PM
So do you agree that INC should not endorse and do block voting this coming election as your kaspi and leaders at edsa rally is calling for the separation of politics and church? ;) ;)
Post by: tony on Sep 04, 2015 at 05:57 PM
I'm all for this. kung guilty, ikulong sila. they deserve that
now we are talking sense....:D
Post by: raptor on Sep 04, 2015 at 06:02 PM
@Quitacet
So do you agree that INC should not endorse and do block voting this coming election as your kaspi and leaders at edsa rally is calling for the separation of politics and church? ;) ;)
and not get involve on government projects/bids for computerization, build-to-operate projects, etc
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 04, 2015 at 06:19 PM
@Quitacet
So do you agree that INC should not endorse and do block voting this coming election as your kaspi and leaders at edsa rally is calling for the separation of politics and church? ;) ;)
This is really a tricky question because voting per se is a citizen's right and when INC members vote, they practice this right. No issue with separation of church and state there. Now when the leadership endorses say a roster of candidates to the members, and say half of the members followed the endorsement, i am not sure kung may issue ng separation of church and state dito dahil bumoto lang din naman ang myembro at ang ibinoto nya ay ginusto nyang yung inendorso ng leadership. Remember members vote because they believe primarily that the Church's sake is of primary importance to them. Example: if the choice is between a politician with a solid platform but no respect for the INC, and a lesser candidate but with full support to INC, there's no question as to who will be endorsed. If members feel the same way and they followed, then they still voted for who they liked. If members do not like the endorsement, again I said it earlier, you are alone in the precinct and you can do what you want.
There are cases actually that the endorsement comes in the form that "no barangay captains in a baranggay will be supported since they are both antagonistic to the INC"
It's like if you have a business and you employ say 30 employees and one of the candidates happen to be a loyal customer or probably a supplier, you'd want them to win over the other candidates, and might probably share this feeling to your employees as well and explain to them their benefits to the company. But come voting time, walang rollcall kung sino ang bumoto for whom. Ganun din naman sa INC.
May mga nagtatanong nga minsan sa akin, bakit daw ang pinagkaisahan ng INC na iboto ay yung magnanakaw na kandidato na nagpapahirap sa bayan. Ang sinagot ko ay ang INC ba ang may katungkulang moral sa magnanakaw na ito o ang kanyang kinasasapiang religious organization?
The INC's vote they say is 2-3% of the voting public only. Pag naupo ang politiko, kasalanan ng INC. di ba dapat ang kinabibilangan nyang organisasyon ang sisihin kung bakit siya kulang sa turo ng kabanalan?
Uulitin ko, numero uno sa INC sa pagpili ng kandidato yung hindi pipinsalain ang INC in whatever way.
Kaya nga bago mageleksyon, sinasabi din naman sa myembro lalo na sa lokal na lebel na kung may kumakandidatong may nagawang pinsala sa myembro, ipagbigay alam sa mga opisyal para maging gabay din sa pagpili.
For many INC's they vote as INC first and being a Filipino second.
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 04, 2015 at 06:21 PM
and not get involve on government projects/bids for computerization, build-to-operate projects, etc
this is tricky one as well. If you mean the Church itself. definitely YES.
but say I am an INC member and I have this business, say human medicine supply and distribution, and I followed the bidding process and won. wala naman siguro ako nalalabag.
Post by: ricky on Sep 04, 2015 at 06:54 PM
Ang punto lang, hindi lahat ng naririnig nyo ay totoo. Hindi naman kami uto uto, at karamihan ng kaanib sa INC eh galing din naman sa ibang relihiyon. Masakit man aminin pero may paila ilan talagang kapatid na medyo nasa extreme side. Minsan exxagerated din ang iba. Pero kung makakakilala kayo ng INC member at makikilala nyo ng husto, baka maging best friend nyo pa. Minsan nga hindi nyo malalaman na INC member kung hindi nyo tatanungin. Meaning walang kaming pinagiba sa normal na tao, yun lang nga mas disiplinado kami sa nakakarami pag dating sa pagsamba sa Diyos.
Post by: CeeV on Sep 04, 2015 at 07:04 PM
Meaning walang kaming pinagiba sa normal na tao, yun lang nga mas disiplinado kami sa nakakarami pag dating sa pagsamba sa Diyos.
Na claim mo tlaga agad????na mas disiplinado kayo sa nakakarami pagdating sa pagsamba sa Diyos?
Post by: Quitacet on Sep 04, 2015 at 07:11 PM
ayan na naman ...tsk. tsk.
Na claim mo tlaga agad????na mas disiplinado kayo sa nakakarami pagdating sa pagsamba sa Diyos?
baka po ang ibig tukuyin ni ricky ay yung kaibahan ng pagsamba sa INC na hiwalay ang bata sa matanda at babae sa lalaki.
sa INC po kasi pag disiplina ang term hindi po nangangahulugan lamang na "discipline" per se agad.
Meaning may proseso po or tuntunin. halimbawa po sinabi na sundin ang disiplina. ibig sabihin po sundin ang tuntunin. Kung sasamba may tuntunin sa pagpasok (bawal tumambay sa labas, dapat pasok agad at manalangin na pansarili). gayun po
In other words mas structured yung activity "in this case, yung worship services.
meaning magkakaparehas lang po tayo, mas iba nga lang ang procedures namin sa pagsamba compared to many other groups.
marami po kasing terminolohiya na ginagamit na maaaring hindi pamilyar o iba ang pakahulugan sa karaniwan. yun lang po pagsamba dati simba or pagsimba ang tawag ng iba.
yung iba po medyo nalalaliman na ang ibang pinoy kasi hindi karaniwan ginagamit sa pang-araw araw na bokabularyo like palibot-liham, pamamahayag, tuntunin, ministeryo, pagpapagal, etc.
Post by: CoolTOYZPH on Sep 04, 2015 at 07:33 PM
If I continue to ask my staff I might be accused of "religious persecution"/harassment because of the nature of relationship I have with them. But if I do not ask I cannot explain to others not to think of them differently. This is the reason I ask in this thread to better understand the INC members. Unfortunately E.V. Manalo has not spoken a week after the INC activity. If you find my questioning worse than a prep student(Paulit ulit daig pa prep ng mga tumutuligsa), I also respect your opinion.
Ang punto lang, hindi lahat ng naririnig nyo ay totoo. Hindi naman kami uto uto, at karamihan ng kaanib sa INC eh galing din naman sa ibang relihiyon. Masakit man aminin pero may paila ilan talagang kapatid na medyo nasa extreme side. Minsan exxagerated din ang iba. Pero kung makakakilala kayo ng INC member at makikilala nyo ng husto, baka maging best friend nyo pa.
Post by: ricky on Sep 04, 2015 at 07:47 PM
Wag naman sana masamain agad or hanapan ng mali .
Ilan sa mga bagay kaya nasabi ko na mas maayos,
Ang pagsamba kasi sa amin pinaghahandaan, hindi kung saan at kailan lang abutan
Dapat naaayon ang kasuotan, hindi tipong come as you are. Ang sabi nga kung dadalo ka sa party napaka ayos ng suot mo, yun pa kayang haharap ka sa Diyos
Bawal mag text at kwentuhan
Bawal din yun late at hindi tatapusin
Dapat umawit
Nakatayo at Nakapikit kapag nananalangin. Ang panalangin hindi scripted, pero pwede naman yung kinabisado
Eto lang kaya nasabi ko minsan medyo may oa din, just like in any group hindi lahat ok. May nananalangin na sobra ang oa na humahagulgol at sumisigaw pero pag nagmulat ako wala naman luha hehehe. Very minor yan pero ako napapansin ko pa at pag ganoon medyo naiilang ako. O di ba normal kami :)
Post by: ricky on Sep 04, 2015 at 07:50 PM
I agree with you that INC member are no different from Catholics except in faith. I am Catholic. A member of my auditing team is INC, my secretary is INC, I have branch in charge who are INC and more. It is why I have this desire to understand the change in the demeanor of the INC last week.
If I continue to ask my staff I might be accused of "religious persecution"/harassment because of the nature of relationship I have with them. But if I do not ask I cannot explain to others not to think of them differently. This is the reason I ask in this thread to better understand the INC members. Unfortunately E.V. Manalo has not spoken a week after the INC activity. If you find my questioning worse than a prep student(Paulit ulit daig pa prep ng mga tumutuligsa), I also respect your opinion.
Sir alam mo naman yun ibig ko sabihin . Fishing na kasi yun iba.
Post by: SiCkBoY on Sep 04, 2015 at 10:46 PM
I'm all for this. kung guilty, ikulong sila. they deserve thatUnfortunately, ginagamit ng Sangunian ang INC faithful to exert undue influence sa DOJ. Yun mga tao naman, sunod lang. Nakikialam daw si De Lima. Eh wala naman nangyayari pa. De Lima's office only received the complaint. Pero kung makikita mo ang sinasabi ng mga INC faithful, may interference daw from De Lima.
The rally is a warning: Wag silang magkakamali na i-convict ang Sangunian, kung hindi magkakagulo.
Post by: bartender on Sep 05, 2015 at 12:05 AM
@QuitacetI do not see anything wrong with voting as a bloc. It's what a lot of groups try to do, it's just that they don't have the numbers; it's what the Catholic Church tries to do to no avail. They belong to a group, presumably because of something mutual between them, it can be highly possible that they can vote similarly without even actively discussing it.
So do you agree that INC should not endorse and do block voting this coming election as your kaspi and leaders at edsa rally is calling for the separation of politics and church? ;) ;)
Post by: raptor on Sep 05, 2015 at 12:37 AM
I do not see anything wrong with voting as a bloc. It's what a lot of groups try to do, it's just that they don't have the numbers; it's what the Catholic Church tries to do to no avail. They belong to a group, presumably because of something mutual between them, it can be highly possible that they can vote similarly without even actively discussing it.
Catholic church gives guidelines but do not impose whom to vote with their members ... INC solicits money to candidates, even at barangay official level (I know since they would go to our house when my dad and then when my brother was running just for barangay chairman post), then likely highest bidder/donation dinadala nila because they approach all candidates
Post by: toys4geeks on Sep 05, 2015 at 04:50 AM
Quote from: ricky
Eto lang kaya nasabi ko minsan medyo may oa din, just like in any group hindi lahat ok. May nananalangin na sobra ang oa na humahagulgol at sumisigaw pero pag nagmulat ako wala naman luha hehehe. Very minor yan pero ako napapansin ko pa at pag ganoon medyo naiilang ako. O di ba normal kami :)
Oo nga
talagang ganoon ata laging me sablay na ilan.Eh meron nga ako katabi (RC)
Text ng Text outdoor mode pa Ata ang setting kaya bawat letra parang sundot ng karayom.
Ang dami ng nakatingin sa kanya wala pa din pakelam. Kasama naman ang nanay at tatay nya ni hindi sawayin. Obviously she's elsewhere texting. a different light casts upon her grinning face ---- ilaw Samsung .nagsimba pa siya sarap tirisin ang pinagkakaabalahan nya.
Post by: toys4geeks on Sep 05, 2015 at 04:59 AM
Catholic church gives guidelines but do not impose whom to vote with their members ...
Kung pede nga tutal there's a real possibility na manalo si VP sa 2016, i Hope RC considers endorsing a candidate. Masunurin kaya tayong katoliko? I bet we will stick to our guts even if the church endorses the lesser evil
Post by: dpogs on Sep 05, 2015 at 05:13 AM
lunes - biyernes (excluding personal activity devoted to spiritual things)
5AM - 7PM - balita sa radio/TV - problema sa pamahalaan, traffic sa byahe stressful na umaga
8AM - 5PM - stress/pagod sa work
6PM - 8PM - dalawang oras na byahe ulit
ganyan araw araw
Sunday 8AM - 6PM - pati ba naman linggo pag-uusapan ang gobyerno :(:(:(
pagdating mo Linggo - family day going to church - aba eh ang intro ng ministro kung sinong kandidato ang iboboto, kung anong issue ng government...
give unto ceasers kung ano ang para sa kanya, ibigay naman sa Diyos kung ano ang para sa kanya. Leave politics to the government, and give your members what they needed - Spiritual food (not garbage issue about government/politics).
Post by: ricky on Sep 05, 2015 at 06:24 AM
Yan ang problema sa nangyayari ngayon, lahat gusto maging sobrang yaman na kahit mali na ginagawa eh sige pa din at nangangatwiran pa. Mga magnanakaw ngayon wala na hiya, ibang clase na sila. Sa tingin ko mas masahol pa mga ito sa simpleng snatcher at holdaper. Itong mga ito ang dami na ninakaw eh hinahangaan at iginagalang pa
Mga hindi marunong lumaban ng parehas, wala ng takot sa Diyos. Dati kasi pinalaki tayo na wag mainggit at wag umasam ng hindi kaya. Dream big and make it possible sa
Maling context nga lang ginamit
Pag ang tao may takot sa Diyos at marunong mahiya malamang maayos pa ang buhay natin sa buong mundo.
Back to basics lang, basta in good health, nakakain ng maayos, nakakapasyal minsan, nabibili ang kailangan at importante mabait at magalang ang mga anak, ano pa ba hihilingin natin?
Post by: dpogs on Sep 05, 2015 at 07:38 AM
Back to basics lang, basta in good health, nakakain ng maayos, nakakapasyal minsan, nabibili ang kailangan at importante mabait at magalang ang mga anak, ano pa ba hihilingin natin?
isang simbahan na hindi nakikipag-negotiate sa gobyerno.
isang simbahan na hindi uutusan ang kanilang miyembro na magrally.
Post by: GIJoe on Sep 05, 2015 at 08:41 AM
Catholic church gives guidelines but do not impose whom to vote with their members ... INC solicits money to candidates, even at barangay official level (I know since they would go to our house when my dad and then when my brother was running just for barangay chairman post), then likely highest bidder/donation dinadala nila because they approach all candidates
Ayun sapul may experience pala isang pdvd member sa political vote blocking. ;D ;D
I do not see anything wrong with voting as a bloc. It's what a lot of groups try to do, it's just that they don't have the numbers; it's what the Catholic Church tries to do to no avail. They belong to a group, presumably because of something mutual between them, it can be highly possible that they can vote similarly without even actively discussing it.
Wala naman talaga masama ang problema pumunta sila ng kalye para ipanawagan ang pag hihiwalay ng gobyerno at ng kanilang simabahan. Dapat sila muna mauna na humiwalay sa pulitika bago nila ipanawagan sa gobyerno ang pag hiwalay sa kanila. Mahirap kasi sa atin minsan one way lang ang gusto natin hindi yung both parties mag comply. Di man natin naintindihan pero ang tanung kasi diyan bat pinapunta ng sanggunian ang member nila sa kalye para ipanawagan ang pag hihiwalay ng pulitika sa kanilang simabahan? Ano ba yung issue na ipinaglalaban nila yung nireklamo ung sanggunian nila sa DOJ ng ilegal detention?
Idagdag mo pa ung mga namatay and naperwisyo nila nung nag rally sila ok lang sana kung yung rally nila wala na pwerwisyo at namatay pero sobrang dami kasi so sino ngayon ang sisihin ng mga namatayan? Namatay kasi tinanggihan ng ambulansya dahil sa trapik.
Post by: Hitman on Sep 05, 2015 at 09:58 AM
Post by: GIJoe on Sep 05, 2015 at 11:49 AM
(http://www.splendorofthechurch.com.ph/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/INC-ON-POLICE-ASSIGNMENTS.jpg)
Post by: pao9307 on Sep 05, 2015 at 01:06 PM
Post by: ninjababez® on Sep 05, 2015 at 02:01 PM
I think I would have to disagree. While it is true that both are of the same belief that there is only one God and that God is God, para sa akin na isang Catholic, mahirap tanggapin na yun mga kasapi lang sa faith ko ang pupunta sa langit. I was raised to view God as a loving God, regardless of race, creed, faith, religion, etc.i get your point bro. sakin lang parang mahirap tanggapin yung isang bagay na alam mong wala naman.
Will I be able to love a God that only favors the Catholics for instance? I don't think so. Mahirap yun. God is God. Wala sya dapat vested interest in any of these.
bro ricky, isa ito sa di ko maintindihan at di maipaliwanag ng gf kong INC sakin; no pun intended bro alam mo naman gaano ko kamahal yun. ito lang tanong ko, bakit ako iiyak at hihingi ng tawad eh wala naman akong ginawang masama. gf ko i understand bakit sya ganun, kasi nga bf nya hindi INC. pero ako di ko talaga alam bakit tuwing may samba eh ganun ang eksena. kabaliktaran ito ng mga born again mass na napuntahan ko na medyo upbeat mga tao (kaso 2 out of 3 churches plastikan at yabangan); seventh day adventist ganun din naman (solemn tulad ng inc) pero medyo calm sila.
Eto lang kaya nasabi ko minsan medyo may oa din, just like in any group hindi lahat ok. May nananalangin na sobra ang oa na humahagulgol at sumisigaw pero pag nagmulat ako wala naman luha hehehe. Very minor yan pero ako napapansin ko pa at pag ganoon medyo naiilang ako. O di ba normal kami :)
Post by: praktikal on Sep 05, 2015 at 02:37 PM
kung kay binay may bidding-biddingan sa kanila bidding talaga? pwedeng fact na nating maituturing yan according sa post ni brader raptor.
Post by: ninjababez® on Sep 05, 2015 at 02:54 PM
eye opener na talaga ito sa karamihang hindi mulat though ang iba alam na nila at ang iba naman medyo nakasilip lang...tao lang din mga yan like what our INC members here are pointing out.
kung kay binay may bidding-biddingan sa kanila bidding talaga? pwedeng fact na nating maituturing yan according sa post ni brader raptor.
Post by: ricky on Sep 05, 2015 at 11:16 PM
Post by: istan on Sep 06, 2015 at 01:14 AM
Nakita ko lang sa isang website ;D ;D ;D
(http://www.splendorofthechurch.com.ph/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/INC-ON-POLICE-ASSIGNMENTS.jpg)
Dapat tayo ata nagrally ng separation of church & state at inde yun INC. ;)
Post by: ricky on Sep 06, 2015 at 08:51 AM
Post by: newwaveboy on Sep 06, 2015 at 09:57 AM
^kahit mga business man ginagawa yan mag request ng transfer ng mga pulis lalo na pag kailangan sa bodyguard duties at may special reasons. Also its a request and not a demand . Sana ma ipost nyo yung request granted naman kung meron.
Indeed, it's a letter request and you're correct, I've seen some business groups do it a few times ....... but brader, we know how these kinds of letters go - they're more mandates than requests.
Not everyone makes that kind of request to the authorities; not unless you have some clout or influence, over the party you're requesting from ...... I believe this is the point the guy, who posted the pic in another forum, wanted to show.
Post by: barrister on Sep 06, 2015 at 09:58 AM
I think I would have to disagree. While it is true that both are of the same belief that there is only one God and that God is God, para sa akin na isang Catholic, mahirap tanggapin na yun mga kasapi lang sa faith ko ang pupunta sa langit. I was raised to view God as a loving God, regardless of race, creed, faith, religion, etc.
Will I be able to love a God that only favors the Catholics for instance? I don't think so. Mahirap yun. God is God. Wala sya dapat vested interest in any of these.
Meron ding ganong doctrine sa Catholic Church --- extra ecclesiam nulla salus (outside the church there is no salvation).
http://catholicism.org/category/outside-the-church-there-is-no-salvation (http://catholicism.org/category/outside-the-church-there-is-no-salvation)
Post by: jerix on Sep 06, 2015 at 10:07 AM
Post by: Philander on Sep 06, 2015 at 10:09 AM
Say If I have my own company... or I'm a part of recruitment team. Magkakaissue ba ang company if for example we decided not to hire any INC (or a partciular religion) member?
Post by: barrister on Sep 06, 2015 at 10:36 AM
The employer has the right to choose the employees he will hire.
The Supreme Court said it is the same as the right of the employee to choose which employer he wants to work for. If an employee can be forced to to work for an employer, that is slavery. If an employer can be forced to hire an employee, that is oppression.
But note that this applies only to hiring, not firing.
The employer can refuse to hire INC members. The employer can choose to hire only INC members.
But if the employee has already been hired, the employer cannot fire him simply because he is an INC member. That's illegal dismissal.
If the employee was hired when he was Catholic, then he converted to INC, then he was fired because of the company's policy against hiring INC members, that's still illegal dismissal.
What's the difference between hiring and firing?
During the hiring stage, the issue is the property right of the employer. He has the right to choose his employee.
During the firing stage, the greater issue now is the security of tenure of the employee. He cannot be dismissed without valid ground.
Post by: Philander on Sep 06, 2015 at 10:49 AM
Issue na lang talaga pag nahire nang non-INC then biglang nagpaconvert during employment time.
Iredundate na lang ang pay for his/her year of service.
Post by: barrister on Sep 06, 2015 at 10:52 AM
Post by: dpogs on Sep 06, 2015 at 11:01 AM
Puwede yon sir.
The employer has the right to choose the employees he will hire.
The Supreme Court said it is the same as the right of the employee to choose which employer he wants to work for. If an employee can be forced to to work for an employer, that is slavery. If an employer can be forced to hire an employee, that is oppression.
But note that this applies only to hiring, not firing.
The employer can refuse to hire INC members. The employer can choose to hire only INC members.
But if the employee has already been hired, the employer cannot fire him simply because he is an INC member. That's illegal dismissal.
If the employee was hired when he was Catholic, then he converted to INC, then he was fired because of the company's policy against hiring INC members, that's still illegal dismissal.
What's the difference between hiring and firing?
During the hiring stage, the issue is the property right of the employer. He has the right to choose his employee.
During the firing stage, the greater issue now is the security of tenure of the employee. He cannot be dismissed without valid ground.
OT:
if it is possible sa religion, applicable din po ba ito sa sexual orientation?
Post by: praktikal on Sep 06, 2015 at 11:06 AM
Akala ko mas gusto ng employers ang INC kasi bawal mag-strike?
baka hindi na ngayon kasi magaling pala sila mag rally...
Post by: Philander on Sep 06, 2015 at 11:09 AM
Akala ko mas gusto ng employers ang INC kasi bawal mag-strike?
Nah.
Yung dati naming INC na HR Manager (UK-based research company) nag sara dahil nangurakot ng almost 3M.
Yung dati naming INC na Recruitment Officer, naki kabit sa Managing Director, parehas silang married (Australian based bpo company) tapos pintanggal isa isa mga kalaban nya sa office.
And so many other stories. Yes catholics do that as well, pero may something sa kanila kasi nga kahit magkasala sila eh pag member sila ng INC paniniwala nila sila lang maliligtas.
SM hires them, kasi nga hindi nag sstrike.
Mas gusto ko na lang mag strike sila basta nasa katwiran, pero wala eh, nag strike nga SABLAY naman.
Post by: GIJoe on Sep 06, 2015 at 11:45 AM
Nah.
Yung dati naming INC na HR Manager (UK-based research company) nag sara dahil nangurakot ng almost 3M.
Yung dati naming INC na Recruitment Officer, naki kabit sa Managing Director, parehas silang married (Australian based bpo company) tapos pintanggal isa isa mga kalaban nya sa office.
And so many other stories. Yes catholics do that as well, pero may something sa kanila kasi nga kahit magkasala sila eh pag member sila ng INC paniniwala nila sila lang maliligtas.
SM hires them, kasi nga hindi nag sstrike.
Mas gusto ko na lang mag strike sila basta nasa katwiran, pero wala eh, nag strike nga SABLAY naman.
Hindi daw rally yung ginawa ng INC isa daw peaceful vigil. ;D ;D ;D
Madami din ako alam na ginagawa ng INC members na kakilala ko na di akma sa kanilang sinasabi.
Regarding sa post ko na transfer ng pulis so yung mga pulis na trinatransfer is para maging bodyguard ng INC? Nakita ko lang sa isnag site kasi yun so ibig sabihin ang pulis transfer parfa na ganun is nirerequest din ng mga businessman and nagiging bodyguard din nag request yung mga pulis na nirequest para sa transfer? Wala kasi dun sa request bat sila need na itransfer? Di ba dapat kasama sa request letter bat sila need itransfer? So halimbawa isang regular na businessman na may kakilala na pulis puwede na niya irequest sa pulis director na ilipat yung kakilala niya kung nasan yung business niya ganun ba yun? ;) ;)
Post by: barrister on Sep 06, 2015 at 11:57 AM
Nah.
Yung dati naming INC na HR Manager (UK-based research company) nag sara dahil nangurakot ng almost 3M.
Yung dati naming INC na Recruitment Officer, naki kabit sa Managing Director, parehas silang married (Australian based bpo company) tapos pintanggal isa isa mga kalaban nya sa office.
And so many other stories. Yes catholics do that as well, pero may something sa kanila kasi nga kahit magkasala sila eh pag member sila ng INC paniniwala nila sila lang maliligtas.
SM hires them, kasi nga hindi nag sstrike.
Mas gusto ko na lang mag strike sila basta nasa katwiran, pero wala eh, nag strike nga SABLAY naman.
Thanks for the info.
Yung SM story lang ang alam ko, preferred daw ang INC kasi bawal mag strike.
OT:
if it is possible sa religion, applicable din po ba ito sa sexual orientation?
Yes. The principle is the same.
The employer does not want to hire LGBTs, that's his right. Valid ang policy na yon.
E yung employee, nung nag-apply, pamintang buo, walang nakahalatang bading pala. E di na-hire siya.
After one year, ayun nagladlad... Darna pala... :D
Can he be fired because of the company policy of hiring only straight people? No. Illegal dismissal na yon.
Post by: tony on Sep 06, 2015 at 12:07 PM
Hindi daw rally yung ginawa ng INC isa daw peaceful vigil. ;D ;D ;D
Madami din ako alam na ginagawa ng INC members na kakilala ko na di akma sa kanilang sinasabi.
Regarding sa post ko na transfer ng pulis so yung mga pulis na trinatransfer is para maging bodyguard ng INC? Nakita ko lang sa isnag site kasi yun so ibig sabihin ang pulis transfer parfa na ganun is nirerequest din ng mga businessman and nagiging bodyguard din nag request yung mga pulis na nirequest para sa transfer? Wala kasi dun sa request bat sila need na itransfer? Di ba dapat kasama sa request letter bat sila need itransfer? So halimbawa isang regular na businessman na may kakilala na pulis puwede na niya irequest sa pulis director na ilipat yung kakilala niya kung nasan yung business niya ganun ba yun? ;) ;)
hindi peaceful vigil yung ginawa nila, power grab yon.....i agree na peaceful nga,
pero it was done to blackmail the government not to touch the members of the sanggunian,
the motive is plain to see... that is why we saw movement of INC members from surrounding
province going to EDSA......but the thing is, they failed to capture the imagination
of the non-INC members, they failed big time to get general public sympathy,
people saw their action for what it was.... a power grab.....
History has shown that the clergy, just like the military are very poor when it comes to
public administration....
Post by: bashi on Sep 06, 2015 at 01:38 PM
Post by: Philander on Sep 06, 2015 at 01:42 PM
Thanks for the info.
Yung SM story lang ang alam ko, preferred daw ang INC kasi bawal mag strike.
Yes. The principle is the same.
The employer does not want to hire LGBTs, that's his right. Valid ang policy na yon.
E yung employee, nung nag-apply, pamintang buo, walang nakahalatang bading pala. E di na-hire siya.
After one year, ayun nagladlad... Darna pala... :D
Can he be fired because of the company policy of hiring only straight people? No. Illegal dismissal na yon.
Also, can a company bluntly say that they are not hiring INC members? I mean like they can post in their reception office that no INC members is allowed?
Or say post in Job searches like jobstreet and one of the qualification is not an INC member?
Post by: devlin_waugh on Sep 06, 2015 at 01:46 PM
current global trends and best practices do not promote it
Post by: praktikal on Sep 06, 2015 at 01:55 PM
http://tl.controversyextraordinary.com/2015/08/iglesia-ni-cristo-nasa-pagsubok-o.html?m=1
Post by: newwaveboy on Sep 06, 2015 at 02:50 PM
Post by: pao9307 on Sep 06, 2015 at 04:20 PM
Why the heck would a church leader need bodyguards??
Unless tong mga miyembro ng sanggunian consider themselves to be vip's, e i see no point in having police security.
Separation of church and state pero kailangan ng protection ng state? ::)
Post by: barrister on Sep 06, 2015 at 04:23 PM
Also, can a company bluntly say that they are not hiring INC members? I mean like they can post in their reception office that no INC members is allowed?
Or say post in Job searches like jobstreet and one of the qualification is not an INC member?
Depends on what you mean by "can" and "can't."
They can do it legally, but they can't do it because it's not politically correct. The company will look unfair, ignorant and backward if it does that.
Besides, it creates the impression that you fire all employees you discover to be INC, even if you only apply the rule to initial hiring.
What they do is make it an unspoken internal rule.
Parang SM. Rumor is that they prefer hiring INC members. Do they admit that it's an official company rule? No.
Parang yung isang bank manager, she says she used to give priority to applicants who are grads of exclusive schools. Now, she whispers that she rejects applicants who are UP and Ateneo grads. Bakit daw? Ang yayabang daw e... :D Does she officially admit that she has such a policy? Of course not. ;)
Post by: tony on Sep 06, 2015 at 04:32 PM
there will thousands of applicants for a few operator positions...
what the security guards do is to ask applicants to stand behind a wall with their markers,
those falling below the markers are then sent home because they failed to meet height requirements...
is it a policy? yes, but it was an unwritten policy...
and yes we also hired INC members for the reason that they do not join unions...
our company remained union free for the almost 10 years that i worked there...
we have mastered the art of making our company union free...
Post by: Philander on Sep 06, 2015 at 07:06 PM
Depends on what you mean by "can" and "can't."
They can do it legally, but they can't do it because it's not politically correct. The company will look unfair, ignorant and backward if it does that.
Besides, it creates the impression that you fire all employees you discover to be INC, even if you only apply the rule to initial hiring.
What they do is make it an unspoken internal rule.
Parang SM. Rumor is that they prefer hiring INC members. Do they admit that it's an official company rule? No.
Parang yung isang bank manager, she says she used to give priority to applicants who are grads of exclusive schools. Now, she whispers that she rejects applicants who are UP and Ateneo grads. Bakit daw? Ang yayabang daw e... :D Does she officially admit that she has such a policy? Of course not. ;)
Ok, thanks.
I guess we will keep it an internal policy between the company owners and HR Team.
Post by: Waxx on Sep 06, 2015 at 09:07 PM
Post by: GIJoe on Sep 07, 2015 at 09:30 AM
may ipapalabas na movie.. "felix manalo"... gawa ba ng inc or may endorsement ba ng inc? if yes.. instant blockbuster yan.. P100 x 1.5 members = 150million agad!
Siyempre tatangkilikin ng members yan kasi INC eh ;D ;D ;D
Post by: Philander on Sep 07, 2015 at 09:42 AM
Post by: dpogs on Sep 07, 2015 at 11:03 AM
may ipapalabas na movie.. "felix manalo"... gawa ba ng inc or may endorsement ba ng inc? if yes.. instant blockbuster yan.. P100 x 1.5 members = 150million agad!
hindi lahat ng INC may access sa cinema :(:(:( ang iba magaantay na lang ng pirated copies. :):):)
Post by: pTrader on Sep 07, 2015 at 11:34 AM
Meron ding ganong doctrine sa Catholic Church --- extra ecclesiam nulla salus (outside the church there is no salvation).
http://catholicism.org/category/outside-the-church-there-is-no-salvation (http://catholicism.org/category/outside-the-church-there-is-no-salvation)
applicable lang ito sa genuine church.
Jesus is the Church Builder pero wala ni isang religion pinapatungkulan dito. At saka inde rin pinangalanan ng Panginoong Jesus ang church niya, He simply says "I will build my church".
Post by: tony on Sep 07, 2015 at 12:07 PM
jockeying for position to get accreditation as the true church...
all religions are self proclaimed,
citing the bible as the source of genuineness....
when the time comes for Jesus to return we will know for sure...
Post by: pTrader on Sep 07, 2015 at 12:12 PM
in the mean time, every tom dick and harry are
jockeying for position to get accreditation as the true church...
all religions are self proclaimed,
citing the bible as the source of genuineness....
when the time comes for Jesus to return we will know for sure...
pakisama na rin ng mga self-proclaimed leader/s, founder/s, etc...
Post by: tony on Sep 07, 2015 at 12:27 PM
simulan mo sa RC.........they committed a lot of atrocities all in the name of religion.....
Post by: pTrader on Sep 07, 2015 at 01:24 PM
hindi lahat ng INC may access sa cinema :(:(:( ang iba magaantay na lang ng pirated copies. :):):)
inde kailangan ng cinema sir, may audio video equipment sila.
Post by: barrister on Sep 08, 2015 at 11:21 AM
applicable lang ito sa genuine church.
Nakarinig ka na ba ng church na sinabing hindi siya genuine? Kasama na yung church mo doon... :D
Post by: pTrader on Sep 08, 2015 at 11:41 AM
Nakarinig ka na ba ng church na sinabing hindi siya genuine? Kasama na yung church mo doon... :Dkung Christian ka alam yung genuine at hinde. :p
Post by: barrister on Sep 08, 2015 at 11:48 AM
Kasama pa rin ang church mo doon... 8)
Post by: pTrader on Sep 08, 2015 at 12:26 PM
Ganon din ang sabi ng lahat ng mga church.
Kasama pa rin ang church mo doon... 8)
yup but the distinction is that your name is written in heavens
but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.
and again validated by the testimony of the Spirit.
The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children.
yet that this happpened to those who claimed that they are genuine?
The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.
Post by: panzimus on Sep 08, 2015 at 01:50 PM
yup but the distinction is that your name is written in heavens
but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.
and again validated by the testimony of the Spirit.
The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children.
yet that this happpened to those who claimed that they are genuine?
The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.
Every church claims this sir. That they could feel the Spirit, touched by the Spirit. Heck, they even claim they saw a vision, an apparition, an angel, heard the voice of God, heard the Spirit and many other supernatural incidents.
Post by: pTrader on Sep 08, 2015 at 02:07 PM
Every church claims this sir. That they could feel the Spirit, touched by the Spirit. Heck, they even claim they saw a vision, an apparition, an angel, heard the voice of God, heard the Spirit and many other supernatural incidents.
yup, but how this can be true in their innermost being?
Post by: panzimus on Sep 08, 2015 at 02:50 PM
Post by: pTrader on Sep 08, 2015 at 03:04 PM
Sir, same question sa'yo, how can this be true to your innermost being?
mahirap ipaliwanag pero I will come back to you with answers.
It is started on how God move in my life. It is not those who tell you we are the true church, religion, etc then you embraced them. God saved me (will continnue..)
Post by: pTrader on Sep 08, 2015 at 04:31 PM
Ganon din ang sabi ng lahat ng mga church.
Kasama pa rin ang church mo doon... 8)
sir, inde ako nagtatangi ng church..
Post by: barrister on Sep 08, 2015 at 04:41 PM
yup but the distinction is that your name is written in heavens
but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.
Ayun, may distinction nga naman.
Basahin natin ang talata:
17 The seventy-two returned with joy and said, “Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name.”
18 He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. 20 However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.” (Luke 10: 17-20)
Jesus was speaking to the 72 disciples He sent out. In that verse, whose names were written in heaven? The 72 disciples. Sa sitas na yon, hindi ka kasama sa 72 na yon sir.
Kakaiba nga.
Kakaiba saan? Kakaiba sa kapangahasan... :D
Post by: barrister on Sep 08, 2015 at 04:50 PM
Sir, same question sa'yo, how can this be true to your innermost being?
Wala rin yan sir.
They all claim it's true to their innermost being.
Post by: pTrader on Sep 08, 2015 at 05:27 PM
Ayun, may distinction nga naman.
Basahin natin ang talata:
17 The seventy-two returned with joy and said, “Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name.”
18 He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. 20 However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.” (Luke 10: 17-20)
Jesus was speaking to the 72 disciples He sent out. In that verse, whose names were written in heaven? The 72 disciples. Sa sitas na yon, hindi ka kasama sa 72 na yon sir.
Kakaiba nga.
Kakaiba saan? Kakaiba sa kapangahasan... :D
yup, inde ako kasama dun but the assurance from God that your name is written in heaven is distinctive.
meaning kung sinasabe mo na "tunay ka" be sure na nakasulat na yung pangalan mo sa langit otherwise lumalabas na wala ka loob kundi na sa labas ng iglesia ng Dios.
alam ng isang tao kung anak talaga siya ng Dios at ito ay patutunayan ng Dios sa iyo mismo.
Post by: CoolTOYZPH on Sep 08, 2015 at 05:45 PM
Post by: pTrader on Sep 08, 2015 at 05:47 PM
Wala rin yan sir.
They all claim it's true to their innermost being.
yes, all claim but have you experience the below:
The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.
Post by: barrister on Sep 08, 2015 at 06:30 PM
Nothing unique there.
Post by: pTrader on Sep 08, 2015 at 06:36 PM
They all claim to be born of the Spirit.
Nothing unique there.
certainly the truth reveals.
Post by: barrister on Sep 08, 2015 at 06:38 PM
They all say the truth reveals.
Post by: pTrader on Sep 08, 2015 at 06:40 PM
:D Same thing.
They all say the truth reveals.
let everyone do this:
Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?
Post by: barrister on Sep 08, 2015 at 06:44 PM
All Christian sects think Christ is in them when they examine themselves.
Post by: pTrader on Sep 08, 2015 at 06:49 PM
Pareho rin yan sir.
All Christian sects think Christ is in them when they examine themselves.
Have you examine yourself? No need to post the answer it is much personal.
Post by: barrister on Sep 08, 2015 at 07:10 PM
Pero kung gusto mo ng iba sa karamihan, eto ang example:
Sabi ng ibang sekta, pag sumapi ka sa kanila, maliligtas ka.
Sabi naman ng ibang sekta, hindi pa nililikha ang mundo, nakatakda na silang maligtas, at nakatakda nang ma-impiyerno yung iba. Kung hindi ka nakatakda sa langit, kahit sumapi ka pa sa kanila, impiyerno ka pa rin.
Kaya kung doktrina ng exclusivity ang pag-uusapan, may dadaig pa ba sa tindi ng doktrina ng predestination?...
Post by: pTrader on Sep 08, 2015 at 07:11 PM
Exclusivity beliefs are not unique to the INC.
Pero kung gusto mo ng iba sa karamihan, eto ang example:
Sabi ng ibang sekta, pag sumapi ka sa kanila, maliligtas ka.
Sabi naman ng ibang sekta, hindi pa nililikha ang mundo, nakatakda na silang maligtas, at nakatakda nang ma impiyerno yung iba. Kung hindi ka nakatakda sa langit, kahit sumapi ka pa sa kanila, impiyerno ka pa rin.
Kaya kung doktrina ng exclusivity ang pag-uusapan, may dadaig pa ba sa tindi ng doktrina ng predestination?...
E ano naman ang sabi ng Dios sa iyo?
Post by: tony on Sep 08, 2015 at 07:12 PM
Pareho rin yan sir.
All Christian sects think Christ is in them when they examine themselves.
they all read the bible and then decide that other religions did not get it,
they alone understood the bible and that they alone will be saved....
and when questioned, then they will say, aba eh kahit naman ang RC merong ganyan....;)
Post by: barrister on Sep 08, 2015 at 07:16 PM
May exclusivity doctrine nga kaming pareho. Pero yung exclusivity nila, mali. Yung exclusivity namin, tama.
Pareho rin... :D
Post by: pTrader on Sep 08, 2015 at 07:23 PM
Pag sinabi mong may doctrine din naman ng exclusivity ang sekta ninyo, kaya pareho lang kayo, ano sagot?
May exclusivity doctrine nga kaming pareho. Pero yung exclusivity nila, mali. Yung exclusivity namin, tama.
Pareho rin... :D
Yes, and I ask you, my true companion, help these women since they have contended at my side in the cause of the gospel, along with Clement and the rest of my co-workers, whose names are in the book of life.
Na-dyan lang yung mga doctrine na sinasabe mo, pero alam mo ba kung ang pangalan mo ay nakasulat sa aklat ng buhay?
Si Pablo alam bilang manampalataya at alam din niya yung mga kasama niya ay nakasulat din ang pangalan gaya ni Clement at yung iba.
Ang doctrina ay doctrina ang kalalagayan ng buhay at kaluluwa iba, pwede kang mabuhay at mamatay sa doctrina na pinanghahawakan mo pero ang tanong after all these nakasulat ba sa aklat ng buhay yung pangalan mo?
Post by: bumblebee on Sep 08, 2015 at 07:31 PM
Post by: barrister on Sep 08, 2015 at 07:48 PM
Pinipintasan yung exclusivity doctrine ng INC.
Pero yung sarili niya, mas matindi pa pala ang exclusivity. Even before the creation of the world, his name was already written in the Book of Life.
Kaya n'yo yon?
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Sep 08, 2015 at 08:19 PM
Psalm 69
26 For they persecute those you wound
and talk about the pain of those you hurt.
27 Charge them with crime upon crime;
do not let them share in your salvation.
28 May they be blotted out of the book of life
and not be listed with the righteous.
29 But as for me, afflicted and in pain—
may your salvation, God, protect me.
30 I will praise God’s name in song
and glorify him with thanksgiving.
31 This will please the Lord more than an ox,
more than a bull with its horns and hooves.
Post by: bumblebee on Sep 08, 2015 at 09:43 PM
Post by: dpogs on Sep 09, 2015 at 02:47 AM
Post by: tony on Sep 09, 2015 at 06:43 AM
The more people talk about religion here, the more I'm thankful I'm not devout.
me too...i am a catholic not because of the blah blah blah....
but because of the humanity and compassion i see around me...
gone are the days of the crusades, the inquisitions and the witch hunts and burning at the stakes...
while still today we see muslims killing fellow muslims in the name of Allah....
we see members critical of the church held against their will....
let us not forget that even the devil can recite scriptures...
look at what happened in the Guyana massacre where 900 members
were systematically poisoned....or the hell that was Waco in texas....
or the ISIL burning and looting and rapng in the middle east...
indeed it will be a tragedy of the worst kind when any church member
gets martyred not by the enemies of the church but by the hands of his brothers...
Abel and Cain re-enacted....
Post by: dpogs on Sep 09, 2015 at 08:14 AM
Post by: bumblebee on Sep 09, 2015 at 08:17 AM
as far as i remember naging catholic ako dati ng hindi ko alam... not because of humanity blah blah blah... naging catholic ako kasi nabinyagan ako habang bata pa ako ng di ko alam :(:(:(
Nothing wrong with that. As you said, ceremonial.
Post by: dpogs on Sep 09, 2015 at 08:33 AM
Nothing wrong with that. As you said, ceremonial.
nothing wrong?
Post by: bumblebee on Sep 09, 2015 at 08:40 AM
Post by: tony on Sep 09, 2015 at 08:43 AM
as far as i remember naging catholic ako dati ng hindi ko alam... not because of humanity blah blah blah... naging catholic ako kasi nabinyagan ako habang bata pa ako ng di ko alam :(:(:(
ngayon alam ko na....
Post by: dpogs on Sep 09, 2015 at 08:52 AM
ngayon alam ko na....
Yup. Became a catholic even though it is not my choice of religion.
Post by: tony on Sep 09, 2015 at 08:59 AM
Yup. Became a catholic even though it is not my choice of religion.
of course you have every right to choose, and so does every one else....
Post by: dpogs on Sep 09, 2015 at 09:03 AM
of course you have every right to choose, and so does every one else....
i was batpized when i am still a baby, baptized to be a catholic without my knowledge, it is not my choice.
Post by: bumblebee on Sep 09, 2015 at 09:03 AM
i was batpized when i am still a baby, baptized to be a catholic without my knowledge, it is not my choice.
Ano naman ang problema doon? Don't tell me, meron kang childhood issues because of that.
Post by: tony on Sep 09, 2015 at 09:07 AM
i was batpized when i am still a baby, baptized to be a catholic without my knowledge, it is not my choice.
now you became smarter eh? is that what you are saying?
yan ang pinagmulan ng pitpitan ng bayag sa walang katapusang debate...
na nauuwi rin sa patayan....where is Jesus in all these?
Post by: toys4geeks on Sep 09, 2015 at 09:25 AM
Post by: dpogs on Sep 09, 2015 at 09:29 AM
Ano naman ang problema doon? Don't tell me, meron kang childhood issues because of that.
no issues. im just saying that i became a catholic without my knowledge.
Post by: bumblebee on Sep 09, 2015 at 09:43 AM
no issues. im just saying that i became a catholic without my knowledge.
So what's the big deal if ever you became Catholic without your knowledge? Napasama ka ba?
Post by: dpogs on Sep 09, 2015 at 09:47 AM
So what's the big deal if ever you became Catholic without your knowledge? Napasama ka ba?
nope. i am just saying that i became a catholic without my knowledge.
Post by: ricky on Sep 09, 2015 at 10:02 AM
Iglesia Ni Cristo- 100yrs of God's blessings
Kagagawan ng ilan miyembro eh hindi kasalanan ng lahat ng INC. If you can try to watch the investigative documentary aired over channel 5 last saturday, pls do. Nasagot mga issues na tinatanong nating lahat.
Yun mga unang sinabi ni barrister ay tama re charges of illegal detention ang pinagmulan.
Also if you can pls try to watch the movie Felix Manalo para kahit papaano maunawaan nyo kung saan kami nanggagaling bakit kami nasasaktan.
Maraming salamat sa pang unawa. Lilipas din itong lahat
Iglesia Ni Cristo kami
Post by: dpogs on Sep 09, 2015 at 10:11 AM
Pasintabi lang po, pls stay lang tayo sa topic
Iglesia Ni Cristo- 100yrs of God's blessings
Kagagawan ng ilan miyembro eh hindi kasalanan ng lahat ng INC. If you can try to watch the investigative documentary aired over channel 5 last saturday, pls do. Nasagot mga issues na tinatanong nating lahat.
Yun mga unang sinabi ni barrister ay tama re charges of illegal detention ang pinagmulan.
Also if you can pls try to watch the movie Felix Manalo para kahit papaano maunawaan nyo kung saan kami nanggagaling bakit kami nasasaktan.
Maraming salamat sa pang unawa. Lilipas din itong lahat
Iglesia Ni Cristo kami
i didnt have a chance to watch. please if you can share to us ano paliwanag ni manalo? bakit niya pinapunta sa edsa ang kanyang mga member?
Post by: barrister on Sep 09, 2015 at 10:15 AM
let us not forget that even the devil can recite scriptures...
look at what happened in the Guyana massacre where 900 members
were systematically poisoned....
The devil is a bible expert, but Jim Jones was far from being a bible expert.
Jim Jones was an atheist who used religion to push his communist/socialist agenda. His doctrines were actually political in nature.
The objective of the mass suicide was not religious. They did it because they thought that they will be tortured by government forces which they believed were about to parachute at their location.
Magandang topic ang Jim Jones. I'll discuss it in my non-Catholic thread.
Post by: pTrader on Sep 09, 2015 at 11:48 AM
Pinipintasan yung exclusivity doctrine ng INC.
Pero yung sarili niya, mas matindi pa pala ang exclusivity. Even before the creation of the world, his name was already written in the Book of Life.
Kaya n'yo yon?
but then the question is, is your name written in the book of life?
Post by: CoolTOYZPH on Sep 22, 2015 at 09:44 PM
For those planning an out of town trip to the North (like me) this long week-end expect heavy traffic.
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MNTC reminds public of INC’s big event on September 26
The Manila North Tollways Corporation (MNTC) on Monday advised the public to plan trips ahead as religious group Iglesia Ni Cristo will hold a big event at the Philippine Arena, Bocaue, Bulacan on September 26.
MNTC advised the public motorists of the INC event as it may cause possible build-up of traffic along North Luzon Expressway. http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2015/09/21/1502391/mntc-reminds-public-incs-big-event-september-26
Post by: kane on Sep 24, 2015 at 06:34 PM
Post by: rochie on Sep 24, 2015 at 06:49 PM
Sa mga inc members, what time start and end ng event nyo sa sat? 7pm pa ba start? Daan kasi ko nlex eh. Thanks in advance!
7PM start but expect members and guests to arrive as early as 3pm.
Post by: GIJoe on Sep 27, 2015 at 01:17 PM
The 2nd long week-end affected by INC activity :(
For those planning an out of town trip to the North (like me) this long week-end expect heavy traffic.
Di ba dapat di mag cause ng traffic yan kasi last time nag cause na so dapat alam na ng organizer and ng nlex kung ano gagawin para mawala traffic?
Eto nga eh may escort pa tapos pati ambulansiya di makago dahil sa espesyal na pag treat sa isang convoy ng INC. Kala ko ba tuwid na daan? Tuwid na daan na lubak lubak? Yan ba ang hiwalay ang simbahan sa gobyerno eh gumamit pa sila ng escort galing sa gobyerno?
https://www.facebook.com/essex.pol/videos/10153376677463551/?pnref=story (https://www.facebook.com/essex.pol/videos/10153376677463551/?pnref=story)
Post by: raptor on Sep 27, 2015 at 05:28 PM
Di ba dapat di mag cause ng traffic yan kasi last time nag cause na so dapat alam na ng organizer and ng nlex kung ano gagawin para mawala traffic?
Eto nga eh may escort pa tapos pati ambulansiya di makago dahil sa espesyal na pag treat sa isang convoy ng INC. Kala ko ba tuwid na daan? Tuwid na daan na lubak lubak? Yan ba ang hiwalay ang simbahan sa gobyerno eh gumamit pa sila ng escort galing sa gobyerno?
https://www.facebook.com/essex.pol/videos/10153376677463551/?pnref=story (https://www.facebook.com/essex.pol/videos/10153376677463551/?pnref=story)
malakas sa gobyerno ang kulto
Post by: ricky on Sep 27, 2015 at 08:04 PM
Post by: bejiboys on Sep 28, 2015 at 01:13 AM
malakas sa gobyerno ang kulto
Kainis. Feeling privileged. :(
Post by: tony on Sep 28, 2015 at 08:09 AM
Kulto? Talaga?
kulto is when any religion do not believe that Jesus Christ is God...
Post by: sirhc on Sep 28, 2015 at 08:17 AM
kulto is when any religion do not believe that Jesus Christ is God...
Parang mahirap naman yatang gawing reference point ay si Jesus Christ being God lang. So in the same sense, lahat ng religion outside Christianity ay kulto? Islam, Hinduism, Taoism, Buddhism, etc. lahat sila kulto? And best of all, by this definition, and The Peoples Temple of the Disciples of Christ by Jim Jones ay hindi kulto?
Post by: tony on Sep 28, 2015 at 08:28 AM
Parang mahirap naman yatang gawing reference point ay si Jesus Christ being God lang. So in the same sense, lahat ng religion outside Christianity ay kulto? Islam, Hinduism, Taoism, Buddhism, etc. lahat sila kulto? And best of all, by this definition, and The Peoples Temple of the Disciples of Christ by Jim Jones ay hindi kulto?
my understanding is that the INC is labeled a cult because they do not accept Jesus as God...
to the INC, Jesus was a propeth just like Mohhamed with the muslims...
makes no difference to me what the INC believes in, they are perfectly within their rights to do so...
isn't is amazing? they all read the bible and yet came out differently with their interpretations...
AFAIK, even the Iglesia ni Soriano accepts Jesus Christ as both man and God...
Post by: pekspert on Sep 28, 2015 at 08:54 AM
kulto is when any religion do not believe that Jesus Christ is God...Your answer is subjective. Thats not fair. There are other legitimate religions aside from christianity.
Post by: pekspert on Sep 28, 2015 at 08:56 AM
Kulto? Talaga?
Best Answer: The Iglesia Ni Cristo(INC) has all the basic elements of a cult.
Exclusivity, deception, manipulation, control, and constraint
1. Total control of the "church", its members, and its businesses are kept within the Manalo Family. After Felix Manalo died, his son, Irano Manalo took over. He was then succeeded by the grandson, Eduardo Manalo. They are like Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Il, and Kim Jong Un of North Korea.
2. They are taught that the only path to salvation is through their church and those people outside iglesia ni cristo will be burned in hell (Yes, all billions of human beings are going to burn in hell. 99% of heaven will be Filipinos).
3. They promote extreme bigotry against other religions specially the Catholic Church. All members are completely anti-Catholic.
4. Members are not allowed to read the bible and think for themselves. They are taught that the official interpretation of the Scriptures comes from the Central Administration of INC only.
5. Members are not allowed to join labor unions.
6. They are not allowed to file cases in court against fellow members.
7. They are not allowed to marry non-members.
8. They are pushed to vote only for politicians endorsed by their leaders. (INC wields political clout through block voting)
9. They are taught to believe that iglesia ni cristo was prophesied in the bible (in spite of the fact that this "prophesy" is a strung-up story of different verses taken from different books of the bible. Add to that, different versions, with some not recognized as authoritative like the Lamsa bible).
10. Excommunicated members are disowned by family and friends. They would suffer ridicule, embarrassment, sometimes harassment from members. He/she may even lose his/her job.
Post by: tony on Sep 28, 2015 at 09:39 AM
Your answer is subjective. Thats not fair. There are other legitimate religions aside from christianity.
you are right, people are free to form their own opinions right or wrong...
Post by: jerix on Sep 28, 2015 at 12:18 PM
This is not my own. I just copied and pasted it.
Best Answer: The Iglesia Ni Cristo(INC) has all the basic elements of a cult.
Exclusivity, deception, manipulation, control, and constraint
1. Total control of the "church", its members, and its businesses are kept within the Manalo Family. After Felix Manalo died, his son, Irano Manalo took over. He was then succeeded by the grandson, Eduardo Manalo. They are like Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Il, and Kim Jong Un of North Korea.
2. They are taught that the only path to salvation is through their church and those people outside iglesia ni cristo will be burned in hell (Yes, all billions of human beings are going to burn in hell. 99% of heaven will be Filipinos).
3. They promote extreme bigotry against other religions specially the Catholic Church. All members are completely anti-Catholic.
4. Members are not allowed to read the bible and think for themselves. They are taught that the official interpretation of the Scriptures comes from the Central Administration of INC only.
5. Members are not allowed to join labor unions.
6. They are not allowed to file cases in court against fellow members.
7. They are not allowed to marry non-members.
8. They are pushed to vote only for politicians endorsed by their leaders. (INC wields political clout through block voting)
9. They are taught to believe that iglesia ni cristo was prophesied in the bible (in spite of the fact that this "prophesy" is a strung-up story of different verses taken from different books of the bible. Add to that, different versions, with some not recognized as authoritative like the Lamsa bible).
10. Excommunicated members are disowned by family and friends. They would suffer ridicule, embarrassment, sometimes harassment from members. He/she may even lose his/her job.
I am not an INC member now, we were excommunicated for political reasons, but i would like to share my thinking regarding the post.
-On No. 1, the Manalos dont own anything except the product from their own compensation as minister etc.;
-On No. 4 - the INC are not forbidden to read the bible, in fact they are encouraged studying the bible. People become members based on the doctrines they believe on. You dont become an INC if you are not in conformity with the INC teachings.
Post by: pTrader on Sep 28, 2015 at 12:52 PM
I am not an INC member now, we were excommunicated for political reasons, but i would like to share my thinking regarding the post.
-On No. 1, the Manalos dont own anything except the product from their own compensation as minister etc.;
-On No. 4 - the INC are not forbidden to read the bible, in fact they are encouraged studying the bible. People become members based on the doctrines they believe on. You dont become an INC if you are not in conformity with the INC teachings.
-On No. 4 - the INC are not forbidden to read the bible, in fact they are encouraged studying the bible. People become members based on the doctrines they believe on. You dont become an INC if you are not in conformity with the INC teachings.
so basically a preference to become a member?
Post by: joko11 on Sep 28, 2015 at 01:39 PM
Post by: jerix on Sep 28, 2015 at 01:54 PM
-On No. 4 - the INC are not forbidden to read the bible, in fact they are encouraged studying the bible. People become members based on the doctrines they believe on. You dont become an INC if you are not in conformity with the INC teachings.
so basically a preference to become a member?
I believe so -- it is not most likely that they will force you. Of course we have our own way of ascertaining the belief that we will live on.
There are doctrines that sound acceptable to me, though i dont want their "pasakop"doctrine which have become their justification over decision to vote the candidate their highest minister in a certain locality anoints. We have become a victim of that system. My family was excommunicated or "natiwalag" because of our rebellion over the choice of the head minister in our locality.
Post by: panzimus on Sep 28, 2015 at 02:00 PM
Post by: sirhc on Sep 28, 2015 at 02:28 PM
Post by: jerix on Sep 28, 2015 at 03:10 PM
My father being a known politico in the province was closed then with the governor and the other politicos in the province such that he was able to help many INC in terms of employment in the province. The choice candidate of the governor was even the defendant of criminal case with an INC in the province; hence, my father's refusal to stop.
After the election, the INC tried to win the family back again but my father's refused already to rejoin the INC because he totally lost his trust over people who manages the INC.
Post by: tony on Sep 28, 2015 at 03:11 PM
Post by: panzimus on Sep 28, 2015 at 03:52 PM
Post by: jerix on Sep 28, 2015 at 04:04 PM
Considering the circumstances back then, my father was saying, "batas ng tao yan, at kelanman hindi magiging batas ni Kristo ang ganyang klaseng desisyon."
Post by: CeeV on Sep 28, 2015 at 05:03 PM
Wow your family experience is something to note at now with my usual friendly debate with my INC friends and kamag anak.
Post by: CoolTOYZPH on Sep 28, 2015 at 05:38 PM
There is always too sides of a story.
Still it is sad that somehow the leadership is a bit too zealous and that it is beginning to be very evident.
Post by: pTrader on Sep 28, 2015 at 06:03 PM
My question back then was, why the entire family? I was not even a voter then. The "pagtitiwalag" was arbitrarily done with haste, but justified by a certain doctrine that is, "magpasakop sa pamamahala" which until now is being used to members who refused to submit.
Considering the circumstances back then, my father was saying, "batas ng tao yan, at kelanman hindi magiging batas ni Kristo ang ganyang klaseng desisyon."
Rev 7:1After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree.
2Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3“Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”
4Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.
Sad to know that after the "last sugo" of INC perform the sealing on the forehead then the process of unsealing by "magpasakop sa pamamahala" which therefore means that they did not know whom to put the seal.
In oder words there is no legit INC member having the promised seal by their "last sugo".
Wala naman nasulat sa Rev 7:2-3 na itiwalag yung mga naselyuhan na.
Post by: tony on Sep 28, 2015 at 06:51 PM
My question back then was, why the entire family? I was not even a voter then. The "pagtitiwalag" was arbitrarily done with haste, but justified by a certain doctrine that is, "magpasakop sa pamamahala" which until now is being used to members who refused to submit.
Considering the circumstances back then, my father was saying, "batas ng tao yan, at kelanman hindi magiging batas ni Kristo ang ganyang klaseng desisyon."
your father is a wise man.....the gift of discernment was not lost with your father....
i am sure there are many other such members within the INC....
like i said before, the days of the Inquisition has long been over with the RC...
it seems like the INC leadership has not learned from the errors/sins committed by the RC...
but the good news is there is still hope...
Post by: GIJoe on Sep 28, 2015 at 08:16 PM
INC members are generally nice, respectful, and law abiding citizens.
There is always too sides of a story.
Still it is sad that somehow the leadership is a bit too zealous and that it is beginning to be very evident.
Law abiding citizen? Eh bat sila nag rally questioning sa sinampa na reklamo sa matataas na INC. Bat dun sa video nag counter flow with pulis escort pagti ambulansya di nila pinauna? :-X :-X
Post by: panzimus on Sep 28, 2015 at 09:55 PM
Law abiding citizen? Eh bat sila nag rally questioning sa sinampa na reklamo sa matataas na INC. Bat dun sa video nag counter flow with pulis escort pagti ambulansya di nila pinauna? :-X :-X
"generally nice, respectful and law abading citizens" naman ang sinabi ni sir cooltoyzph. di naman niya nilahat. sa lahat naman ng groups may mga pasaway talaga but that doesn't mean the whole group is pasaway.
Post by: pao9307 on Sep 29, 2015 at 07:11 AM
Post by: dpogs on Sep 29, 2015 at 07:29 AM
Post by: pekspert on Sep 29, 2015 at 07:31 AM
Post by: jerix on Sep 29, 2015 at 08:25 AM
Curious lang boss, so what's the Family (your's) religion ended up now?
Wow your family experience is something to note at now with my usual friendly debate with my INC friends and kamag anak.
For me i got no specific religion to which i identify myself with. I listen to all such that I watch the Sunday mass, tamang daan, dating daan, and all the other religious programs on TV and join the prayer when they do it on TV, with the feelings that I am doing that because of my faith and devotion to my supreme being. My father then encouraged us to open up and follow the dictates of our conscience and since then, I have been open to whatever comes. Until now I have the same view with my wife and children I dont impose anything because sabi ko, following the principle taught by my father, it is your soul that will search what is good for your spirit, because if we all came from one God then whether we like it or not, we will all go back to him in spirit. My children were all baptized under the Catholic religion but my eldest daughter have become an INC now, and i never stopped her. I said to her when she asked permission, that if that is the call of your conscience then go for it. I even attended their "pamamahayag" last Saturday because they were encouraged to invite daw, and she was very happy that i attended. Her being an INC, although I always debate with her on the issue of "pagpapasakop sa pamamahala" thing, it is giving her that spiritual motivation.
My son who is also on his spiritual search was recently discussing to me his own observations on the flaws of the different religions around. Observing that it is indeed religion that is almost causing the division among the people. He also occasioned to ask why do people commit crime and kill one another just to prove that their religion is superior over another. It seems that he has the tendency not to belong to any religious organization now. I encouraged him to open his mind and think more, but i told him that he must always be guided by the universal law on karma that whatever you sow you reap.
Post by: pTrader on Sep 29, 2015 at 10:34 AM
For me i got no specific religion to which i identify myself with. I listen to all such that I watch the Sunday mass, tamang daan, dating daan, and all the other religious programs on TV and join the prayer when they do it on TV, with the feelings that I am doing that because of my faith and devotion to my supreme being. My father then encouraged us to open up and follow the dictates of our conscience and since then, I have been open to whatever comes. Until now I have the same view with my wife and children I dont impose anything because sabi ko, following the principle taught by my father, it is your soul that will search what is good for your spirit, because if we all came from one God then whether we like it or not, we will all go back to him in spirit. My children were all baptized under the Catholic religion but my eldest daughter have become an INC now, and i never stopped her. I said to her when she asked permission, that if that is the call of your conscience then go for it. I even attended their "pamamahayag" last Saturday because they were encouraged to invite daw, and she was very happy that i attended. Her being an INC, although I always debate with her on the issue of "pagpapasakop sa pamamahala" thing, it is giving her that spiritual motivation.
My son who is also on his spiritual search was recently discussing to me his own observations on the flaws of the different religions around. Observing that it is indeed religion that is almost causing the division among the people. He also occasioned to ask why do people commit crime and kill one another just to prove that their religion is superior over another. It seems that he has the tendency not to belong to any religious organization now. I encouraged him to open his mind and think more, but i told him that he must always be guided by the universal law on karma that whatever you sow you reap.
You will never have any peace or rest at all from religion. The word is near, seek Christ.
Matthew 11:27“All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
28“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.29Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.30For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
Post by: rulesmeister on Sep 29, 2015 at 12:56 PM
Post by: tony on Sep 29, 2015 at 01:15 PM
Post by: pTrader on Sep 29, 2015 at 01:53 PM
^agree.....leave him be....at this stage, i think that the INC is still in the wilderness trying to find their true identity, in time and eventually they will find it.....when the leaders realize that there are better things than building arenas and living the life of the rich and famous....when the leadership realize that the total well being of members are more important than building edifices that hardly glorifies God....
True identity ba?
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The One True Church
The Bible clearly teaches that there is only one true Church established by Christ:
“And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, .and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.” (Matthew 16:18 NIV)
The Lord Jesus Christ Himself established the true Church and He established only one Church, He said, “I will build my church” and not “I will build my churches.” This Church has a name and it is important that she continuously be called in that name, because:
“Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12 NIV)
The Bible said, “there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.” This “name” is the name God gave to the Lord Jesus:
“And now I am coming to you; I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world. Holy Father! Keep them safe by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one just as you and I are one.” (John 17:11 TEV)
The Lord Jesus prayed to God to “Keep them safe by the power of your name.” The name He is referring to is the name given to Him by the Lord God. So the name given to Him by the Lord God is also the name “given to men by which we must be saved.” This is the name “Christ”:
“Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.
“Then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead...” (Acts 4:12,10 NIV)
Thus, the true Church established by Christ is named after Christ. It is only right that the true Church is named after Him because:
(1) Christ is the founder and owner of the Church:
“And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.” (Matthew 16:18, NKJV)
(2) The Church is the body of Christ and He is the head of the Church:
“There is a deep secret truth revealed in this scripture, which I understand as applying to Christ and the church.
“For a husband has authority over his wife just as Christ has authority over the church; and Christ is himself the Savior of the church, his body.
“Husbands, love your wives just as Christ loved the church and gave his life for it.” (Ephesians 5:32 & 23 & 25, TEV)
How is the Church called after the name of Christ? In Romans 16:16, this is what the Bible says:
“Greet one another with a holy kiss. All the churches of Christ send greetings.” (Romans 16:16, NIV)
Also in Acts 20:28, this is what the Bible says:
“Take heed therefore to yourselves and to all the flock over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you overseers to feed the church of Christ which He purchased with His blood.” (Acts 20:28, Lamsa)
Actually, even Catholic authorities attest that the Church is indeed called after Christ, the “Church of Christ”:
“5. Did Jesus Christ established a Church?
“Yes, from all history, both secular and profane, as well as from the Bible considered as a human document, we learn that Jesus Christ established a Church, which from the earliest times has been called after Him the Christian Church or the Church of Christ.” (Cassily, Francis B., S.J. Religion: Doctrine and Practice for use in Catholic High Schools. 12th and revised edition. Imprimi Potest: Charles H. Cloud, S.J. Provincial of the Chicago Province. Imprimatur: George Cardinal Mundelein, Archbishop of Chicago. Chicago: Loyola University Press, 1934, p. 442-443.)
Thus, the name of the true Church the Lord Jesus Christ established is “Church of Christ” (“Iglesia Ni Cristo” in Pilipino), and those not called in this name cannot claim that they are the true Church and whom the Lord Jesus Christ will save come Judgment Day because:
“Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12 NIV)
Thus, no one can claim to be the One True Church if their Church is not called in the name "Church of Christ. The Bible said, "...there is no other name under heaven given to men which we must be saved." The name “Iglesia Ni Cristo” is the Tagalog for “Church Of Christ” - the name of the One True Church.
source: http://theiglesianicristo.blogspot.com/2013/08/what-is-iglesia-ni-cristo.html (http://theiglesianicristo.blogspot.com/2013/08/what-is-iglesia-ni-cristo.html)
Post by: tony on Sep 29, 2015 at 04:26 PM
True identity ba?
you missed me, that is not what i was talking about....read between the lines, you are smart, you will figure it out.....;)
Post by: pTrader on Sep 29, 2015 at 05:17 PM
you missed me, that is not what i was talking about....read between the lines, you are smart, you will figure it out.....;)
sensya na copy paste syndrome.. malalim ka masyado.. :)
Post by: tony on Sep 29, 2015 at 07:12 PM
sensya na copy paste syndrome.. malalim ka masyado.. :)
ipinapalangin ko na naway matagpuan nila sa dako pa roon ng kinabukasan....
it took the RC over 2000 years.....100 pa lang naman ang INC, darating din sila doon...
Post by: ricky on Sep 29, 2015 at 08:28 PM
totoo bang hindi namimigay ng regalo kapag pasko ang mga inc members? kasi may mga agent ang misis ko na hindi sumasali (o namimigay ng pero o inkind) sa mga gift giving program ng kanilang account... pero napapansin nila na tumatanggap ng christmas bunos at hamon :(:(:(
We dont have christmas so that is why we dont celebrate it. We dont give xmas gifts but we give new years gift :)
As for receiving bonuses and hamon as an employee, i think it is part of their compensation, nagkataon lang na sa xmas ibinibigay ng employer. Kami sa 29th kami nagbibigay sana ng bonuses at gifts pero since most of our employees are non INC, so we give it on the 23rd para ma enjoy nila. Fair naman di ba?
Post by: dpogs on Sep 30, 2015 at 12:05 AM
We dont have christmas so that is why we dont celebrate it. We dont give xmas gifts but we give new years gift :)
As for receiving bonuses and hamon as an employee, i think it is part of their compensation, nagkataon lang na sa xmas ibinibigay ng employer. Kami sa 29th kami nagbibigay sana ng bonuses at gifts pero since most of our employees are non INC, so we give it on the 23rd para ma enjoy nila. Fair naman di ba?
noted sir. thank you for the clarification. pasa ko to sa misis ko... :)
Post by: pTrader on Sep 30, 2015 at 11:19 AM
ipinapalangin ko na naway matagpuan nila sa dako pa roon ng kinabukasan....
it took the RC over 2000 years.....100 pa lang naman ang INC, darating din sila doon...
leaning towards reformation...
Post by: tony on Sep 30, 2015 at 11:52 AM
i wished that the INC do not meddle in politics....
Post by: raptor on Sep 30, 2015 at 12:11 PM
organizations evolve over time to make it more atuned to the times....
i wished that the INC do not meddle in politics....
they are meddling in a lot of government businesses - if you get a chance to join on government bids, you would know their clout ... and the members that they detained have the reason to be afraid, they just don't have those businesses and money, something else
Post by: tony on Sep 30, 2015 at 03:18 PM
they are meddling in a lot of government businesses - if you get a chance to join on government bids, you would know their clout ... and the members that they detained have the reason to be afraid, they just don't have those businesses and money, something else
scary indeed.....
Post by: jerix on Oct 01, 2015 at 08:17 AM
Post by: GIJoe on Oct 01, 2015 at 09:56 AM
"generally nice, respectful and law abading citizens" naman ang sinabi ni sir cooltoyzph. di naman niya nilahat. sa lahat naman ng groups may mga pasaway talaga but that doesn't mean the whole group is pasaway.
Yah general as in lahat din. IMHO
Dapat nilagay di naman lahat pasaway meron pa din naman mga matitino. Like sa ibang relihiyon di lahat matino may luko luko pa din.
Post by: CoolTOYZPH on Oct 01, 2015 at 10:05 AM
Nevertheless, my personal experience is that majority of the INC members are very nice people.
Law abiding citizen? Eh bat sila nag rally questioning sa sinampa na reklamo sa matataas na INC. Bat dun sa video nag counter flow with pulis escort pagti ambulansya di nila pinauna? :-X :-X
"generally nice, respectful and law abading citizens" naman ang sinabi ni sir cooltoyzph. di naman niya nilahat. sa lahat naman ng groups may mga pasaway talaga but that doesn't mean the whole group is pasaway.
Yah general as in lahat din. IMHO
Dapat nilagay di naman lahat pasaway meron pa din naman mga matitino. Like sa ibang relihiyon di lahat matino may luko luko pa din.
Post by: tony on Oct 01, 2015 at 12:13 PM
I believe no religious group can refrain from involving themselves in politics. Politicians go to them for support in exchange of so many things. If these groups can get their way easily in government because of that patronage, why not?
oh yes, the RC involved themselves in politics when they posted the "Team Patay" and urged members to vote "Team Buhay" in the last elections....it is a different matter when they tell members whom to vote a few days before election, when the survey results show who s winning....
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majority of the INC members are very nice people
without any doubt....this is true...
Post by: devlin_waugh on Oct 01, 2015 at 05:19 PM
^agree.....leave him be....at this stage, i think that the INC is still in the wilderness trying to find their true identity, in time and eventually they will find it.....when the leaders realize that there are better things than building arenas and living the life of the rich and famous....when the leadership realize that the total well being of members are more important than building edifices that hardly glorifies God....
is this the start?
Multi-million Airbus used by Iglesia leaders being sold
http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/investigative/101564-airbus-iglesia-leaders-sold
Post by: tony on Oct 01, 2015 at 05:58 PM
or establish farming communities, so that we will not go hungry, just a thought....
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Oct 01, 2015 at 09:47 PM
,
or establish farming communities, so that we will not go hungry, just a thought....
Parang amish.
Post by: GIJoe on Oct 04, 2015 at 08:54 PM
(http://i929.photobucket.com/albums/ad139/GIJ03/IMG_03841_zps6zgztn6p.jpg)
Post by: zonks on Oct 04, 2015 at 09:09 PM
Post by: sovrain on Oct 04, 2015 at 09:20 PM
Post by: GIJoe on Oct 04, 2015 at 10:32 PM
paano ba dapat gawin dyan, isara yung exit? bigyan ng isang dedicated lane for INC tuwing may big event sila?
Sa tingin ko di puwede isara exit kasi may mga di INC na gumagamit nung exit. Sa tingin ko pag plaplano within INC yan problema pag may bog event lagi na lang nakakaabla ng ibang tao. Sa tingin ko mas maganda kanila ung isang lane ng exit pag may big event sila other lane sa mga di na INC. Yan ay para wala na counter flow. Biruin mo di lang mmda may pulis na din sa area para ayusin ung pila nila paexit to phil arena. Ipapalabas ata yung felix manalo kanina sa phil arena kaya big event na naman siguro libre. Di ba puwede sa mga sinehan na lang nila pinapunta ung mga INC IMHO para di na dumugin ang phil arena at mag traffic sa NLEX.
Post by: tony on Oct 05, 2015 at 08:31 AM
Post by: dpogs on Oct 08, 2015 at 08:17 AM
43,624 watch the screening and they brake the record for
1. Largest Audience At A Film Premiere (previous record: 10,000)
2. Largest Audience At A Film Screening (previous record: 28,442)
Post by: rulesmeister on Oct 10, 2015 at 10:19 AM
If this is the case, then it will be the greatest movie ever made of all time ever since motion picture was invented
Ung Shawshank redemption 9.2/10 lang, Godfather 9.2/10 lang din.
Joel Lamangan will be the greatest movie director of all time past and present! He bested all of them: Steven Spielberg, Martin Scorsese, Alfred Hitchcock, Francis Ford Coppola, Ridley Scott, Orson Welles, James Cameroon, Micheal Bay etc
Dennis Trillo will go down in history as the greatest actor the world has ever seen.
I havent seen the movie so I cant rate. (I'm no INC member)
Post by: dpogs on Oct 10, 2015 at 10:31 AM
Post by: sirhc on Oct 10, 2015 at 01:03 PM
Post by: raptor on Oct 10, 2015 at 08:51 PM
Post by: ricky on Oct 11, 2015 at 02:48 AM
puro INC lang naman nanonood at kung ano sabihin sa kanila yun gagawin nila
Sigurado ka?
Post by: Pandidoy on Oct 11, 2015 at 08:25 AM
I like bio and period movies. :)
Post by: jerix on Oct 11, 2015 at 08:52 AM
Post by: Pandidoy on Oct 11, 2015 at 09:20 AM
Bro, hows the film texture? meaning subdued colors ba to give a little feeling of the old generation? I will watch this too with my wife and my daughter who is an INC. ;)
yes subdued colors , parang sinauna ang presentation
Post by: pepe on Oct 11, 2015 at 12:33 PM
http://www.manilatimes.net/felix-manalo-tribute-to-filipino-spirit/222861/
THE movie “Felix Manalo” opened in theaters around the country on Wednesday, giving Filipinos an opportunity to learn about the man who built a church that now has three to five million members in 102 countries.
“Felix Manalo” director Joel Lamangan encouraged the public to see the movie which stars Dennis Trillo as Iglesia ni Cristo (INC) founder Felix Manalo.
The movie, he noted, is “not just about the life of a remarkable man, it is a tribute to the Filipino spirit.”
“The story of Felix Manalo is very much the story of every Filipino who has never allowed adversity to discourage him from pursuing his goals and dreams; you don’t have to be an INC member to appreciate that,” Lamangan said in an interview.
He expressed hopes that the renewed interest in history generated by the film “Heneral Luna” will encourage the public to watch “Felix Manalo,” as the movie traces the growth of the church in relation to the major historical events of the country.
“Heneral Luna showed that there is a market for movies like these,” the multi-awarded director.
“Felix Manalo” set two world records in its premiere night — the Largest Audience At A Film Premiere and the Largest Audience At A Film Screening with 43,624 people.
Lamangan said the movie raked in P15 million at 1 p.m. on opening day, the same amount earned by “Heneral Luna” for a full week of showing.
To accommodate the rush of moviegoers, he said the movie will be shown in more theaters nationwide at an earlier schedule at 9 a.m. for its first run.
“Filipinos are known to be the most resilient people in the world; we can survive and triumph over all kinds of challenges, natural and man-made. Felix Manalo, I think, reiterates this truth.”
The film stars Dennis Trillo as Felix Manalo and Bela Padilla as his wife Honorata de Guzman-Manalo. Also in the movie are Gabby Concepcion, AJ Muhlach, Heart Evangelista, Snooky Serna, Gladys Reyes, Joel Torre, Elizabeth Oropesa, and Jaime Fabregas.
Post by: rulesmeister on Oct 11, 2015 at 12:40 PM
Post by: GIJoe on Oct 18, 2015 at 05:52 AM
http://catholicdefender2000.blogspot.com/2010/11/did-felix-manalo-raped-rosita-trillanes.html (http://catholicdefender2000.blogspot.com/2010/11/did-felix-manalo-raped-rosita-trillanes.html)
Post by: pTrader on Oct 20, 2015 at 05:09 PM
Post by: ninjababez® on Oct 21, 2015 at 05:16 AM
any review about the Felix Manalo movie?watched it yesterday. OK lang. but if youre an INC member, you will appreciate it. pinakita kasi doon kung paano niya hinanap ang tamang religion.
ganun din ako nung bata ako, until 2nd year HS which was the time i gave up looking for "god".
Post by: krets pulpol on Oct 23, 2015 at 04:32 PM
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/10/23/15/sc-issues-writs-habeas-corpus-amparo-inc-member
Post by: cHiNo2728 on Oct 23, 2015 at 05:21 PM
Post by: frootloops on Oct 24, 2015 at 03:21 PM
Post by: rochie on Oct 24, 2015 at 03:32 PM
Nasaan na yung mga nagrereklamo ng traffic sa Nlex? Hindi ba kayo magrereklamo ngayon dahil sa aldub?hahahahaha. kasama ata sila sir sa dahilan ng traffic kaya tahimik.
Post by: jerix on Oct 24, 2015 at 03:39 PM
Post by: toys4geeks on Oct 25, 2015 at 06:25 PM
Read more: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/734334/sc-order-to-spark-hostile-2nd-wave-of-iglesia-protests-menorca#ixzz3pZarys7n
Post by: thebat on Oct 25, 2015 at 06:56 PM
Post by: tony on Oct 25, 2015 at 07:01 PM
man does not hold any power of life and death over another man,
else, it can only be done as an act of crime, nothing to do with religious beliefs....
Post by: toys4geeks on Oct 25, 2015 at 07:40 PM
it is always wrong to hold people against their will....Agree. Eh baka magamit na naman nila
man does not hold any power of life and death over another man,
else, it can only be done as an act of crime, nothing to do with religious beliefs....
Post by: Ice Storm on Oct 26, 2015 at 02:40 AM
Post by: dpogs on Oct 26, 2015 at 02:46 AM
it is always wrong to hold people against their will....
man does not hold any power of life and death over another man,
else, it can only be done as an act of crime, nothing to do with religious beliefs....
it is just right that the government must take necessary action against certain people inside INC..
Post by: dodie on Oct 26, 2015 at 04:24 AM
Really wish govt would stop meddling in INC affairs...
meddling in what way sir? or should it be the other way around?
Post by: toys4geeks on Oct 26, 2015 at 06:21 AM
Really wish govt would stop meddling in INC affairs...
Illegal detention (claims) last we checked INC is still under the law, until they buy an island outside the philippines, Philippine laws apply.
I really wish that INC :
stop endorsing candidates
endorse and seek appointments in government position in exchange for INC's political support, regardless ke INC o hindi ang appointee.
Fact is they write letters to endorse eh meddling yan! This has to stop somewhere pero i am SURE the government will not initiate it.
While thinking that the government as pure evil to use INC's solid vote to the endorsed candidates advantage, The evil most foul is asking to position people who they think is equally qualified, separation habol mo eh kelangan absolute yan.
You cant be selective kung anong gusto mo at hindi.
Lahat ng politiko have no respect for the institution, they just respect the power it wields over its followers. Kaya sila minsan ginigipit dahil nga pinipilit sila towards whatever means.
Post by: tony on Oct 26, 2015 at 06:35 AM
Really wish govt would stop meddling in INC affairs...
Really wish INC would stop meddling in government affairs...and set their people free....
Post by: SiCkBoY on Oct 26, 2015 at 07:12 AM
Really wish govt would stop meddling in INC affairs...In what way has the government meddled in INC affairs?
Post by: rulesmeister on Oct 26, 2015 at 07:23 AM
Their primary goal is to put traffic into a stand-still so that the gov't will not "meddle in INC affairs". Then the trapos will capitalize on the issue to get INC block voting coming 2016.
Post by: Timithekid on Oct 26, 2015 at 08:13 AM
Really wish govt would stop meddling in INC affairs...
Explain how? I'd love to be enlightened by thee
Post by: disturbed on Oct 26, 2015 at 08:26 AM
Nasaan na yung mga nagrereklamo ng traffic sa Nlex? Hindi ba kayo magrereklamo ngayon dahil sa aldub?
haha exactly my thoughts.
Post by: raider125jeigh on Oct 26, 2015 at 08:26 AM
Post by: jerix on Oct 26, 2015 at 08:54 AM
So we're going to experience another massive protests along EDSA from INC?
Their primary goal is to put traffic into a stand-still so that the gov't will not "meddle in INC affairs". Then the trapos will capitalize on the issue to get INC block voting coming 2016.
Will the government allows itself to be held hostage by the INC? Its election time and the government is trying to woo religious groups to vote for its candidates. The INC i believe would take advantage of this to get what they want in exchange of votes.
Post by: toys4geeks on Oct 26, 2015 at 10:04 AM
Will the government allows itself to be held hostage by the INC? Its election time and the government is trying to woo religious groups to vote for its candidates. The INC i believe would take advantage of this to get what they want in exchange of votes.
Tama ka, ingat yang mga yan.
Ang aral ng RC eh meron pinagdadaanan ang INC at irespeto natin sila.
pero ibang usapan yan. pag ang public will again be inconvenienced by and action by taking over EDSA again.
Yang sigalot eh ipahayag sa tamang lugar(sa Phil Arena) at panahon (election), hayaan nyo ng magtrabajo ang higit na nakararami, bago umabot sa sukdulan ang inis ng publiko sa paraang makakaabala sa kanilang kabuhayan.
Post by: rochie on Oct 26, 2015 at 10:13 AM
Tama ka, ingat yang mga yan.
Ang aral ng RC eh meron pinagdadaanan ang INC at irespeto natin sila.
pero ibang usapan yan. pag ang public will again be inconvenienced by and action by taking over EDSA again.
Yang sigalot eh ipahayag sa tamang lugar(sa Phil Arena) at panahon (election), hayaan nyo ng magtrabajo ang higit na nakararami, bago umabot sa sukdulan ang inis ng publiko sa paraang makakaabala sa kanilang kabuhayan.
I've read at philstar headline that all accusations will be answered in proper venue, so i guess we're all good. pwera lang kung umulan ng malakas,mag sale lahat ng Mall sa EDSA(hindi malayong mangyari payday Friday sa byernes) at biglang maglakad ang ALDUB sa EDSA so wala tayong magagawa trapik talaga mangyayari diyan :D :D :D
Post by: toys4geeks on Oct 26, 2015 at 12:11 PM
(http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/files/2015/10/Lowell-Menorca-1026.jpg)
Post by: jerix on Oct 27, 2015 at 08:01 AM
Post by: dpogs on Oct 27, 2015 at 08:32 AM
Post by: rulesmeister on Oct 27, 2015 at 11:40 AM
Laban lang Menorca and company!
INC has multi-billion assests in its disposal, they could afford "dream team" lawyers to defend. Being realistic, Menorca case might be unwinnable for the prosecution team.
Post by: SiCkBoY on Oct 27, 2015 at 12:06 PM
INC has multi-billion assests in its disposal, they could afford "dream team" lawyers to defend. Being realistic, Menorca case might be unwinnable for the prosecution team.
Mahirap talaga i-pin ang krimen sa totoong mastermind. How can anyone prove kung sino nag utos ng abduction?
Post by: SiCkBoY on Oct 27, 2015 at 12:07 PM
sa ginagawa ng INC sa kanilang mga members... aba eh kulto nga...
I am eager to find out what will happen kung magpatawag uli ng massive rally ang Sanggunian. Will the INC faithful still follow?
Post by: sirhc on Oct 27, 2015 at 01:03 PM
I am eager to find out what will happen kung magpatawag uli ng massive rally ang Sanggunian. Will the INC faithful still follow?
I'm willing to put my money on an absolute and a resounding yes.
It really gets interesting now that a Manalo was tagged as a respondent in the case. Makes you wonder what happens behind what our eyes and ears can reach.
Post by: rochie on Oct 27, 2015 at 01:19 PM
I am eager to find out what will happen kung magpatawag uli ng massive rally ang Sanggunian. Will the INC faithful still follow?
nagsabi na Atty. yung Abogadang spokesperson ng INC na sasagutin lahat ng accusation ni Menorca sa proper venue(sa korte). kung walang makisawsaw na personalidad and let it go through the normal process like what other charges go through malamang wala ng mangyayaring rally, and besides masyadong negative yung dating sa non members nung nakaraang pagkilos kaya malaki ang chances na hindi na mauulit yun.
pinagtataka ko lang dito kay Menorca parang hindi natuto ng tamang proseso ng pagpaparating ng hinaing sa Pamamahala, samantalang yung tatay nya ay dati ding myembro ng Sangunian noon. matalino naman siya,nasa pilot section pa yan nung HS kami,binoto ko pa nung kumandidato sa Student Council ng HS department namin.
my personal opinion is kung talagang may nagkasala edi parusahan ng batas ng lipunan,kung sa tingin nya talagang na kidnap siya at merong banta sa buhay edi tuloy nya ang kaso at maglabas ng magandang ebidensya. hindi naman yung sanggunian ang pinanampalatayanan namin kundi ang aral at doktrina.
Post by: SiCkBoY on Oct 27, 2015 at 01:26 PM
pinagtataka ko lang dito kay Menorca parang hindi natuto ng tamang proseso ng pagpaparating ng hinaing sa Pamamahala xxx
I think he's worried about the influence of INC, kaya he had no other recourse but to go to the media.
Post by: pTrader on Oct 27, 2015 at 01:34 PM
at kung ang tatay niya ay member ng Sangunian noon at si Menorca ay matalino, alam niya ang likaw ng bituka ng Sangunian ng INC.
it will be useless to undergo a process that is corrupted.
Post by: rulesmeister on Oct 27, 2015 at 01:46 PM
Sa dami-dami ng nag-akusa (Mga kapatid ni Manalo,Nanay, editor ng pasugo, Ministers etc), there must be truth to these allegations. Eh bakit nung time ni Erano wala naman ganon?
Post by: dodie on Oct 27, 2015 at 01:59 PM
you dont question the moves of the oppressed, what you should be questioning is the motive of the oppressor!
Post by: tony on Oct 27, 2015 at 02:01 PM
sa ginagawa ng INC sa kanilang mga members... aba eh kulto nga...
ganyan din ang ginawa ng RC during the dark ages....
but the RC came out of it and mended ways....
what is hard to understand is why the INC leadership practices it...at this day and age...
Jesus said to Pilate,"you have no power over me if it was not given to you by my Father in heaven"....
did our Father in Heaven gave these INC leaders, the power of life and death over their members?
Post by: SiCkBoY on Oct 27, 2015 at 03:02 PM
kya siguro media agad ang pinuntahan ni menorca kse pakiramdam niya ito ang safe gawin. isipin nyo ba naman na kailangan pa ng writ para sila mapalaya sa custody. at diumano ay isa sa mga lumulutang na opisyal ng pnp na may order na damputin sya ay si ncrpo chief. kung ikaw ay ordinaryong mamamayan at kalaban ang isang napakalaking organisasyon o relihiyon na may galamay sa loob ng gobyernong dapat na magtanggol sayong karapatan, ano ang gagawin mo? sa ganitong sitwasyon.........
you dont question the moves of the oppressed, what you should be questioning is the motive of the oppressor!
Korek. Sa ganitong sitwasyon, the media is your friend. Kung walang opportunity to face the media, then YouTube!
Post by: tigkal on Oct 27, 2015 at 03:18 PM
Post by: oweidah on Oct 27, 2015 at 03:24 PM
Post by: tony on Oct 27, 2015 at 06:03 PM
Wala power over life and death, only what to do and what not to do.
so why then is Menorca so fearful of his life and that of his familiy?
nasiraan ng bait dahil natiwalag?
Post by: pTrader on Oct 27, 2015 at 06:21 PM
John 10:9I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture.
10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy;
I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
Ano ba pangako ni Jesus Christ? And now what these "people" are doing to their members?
Post by: toys4geeks on Oct 28, 2015 at 04:23 PM
Bakit kaya sa INC may susuportahan?
Nangyari na ba sa kasaysayan ng INC na wala silang sinoportahan na kandidato sa election?
Post by: barrister on Oct 28, 2015 at 07:57 PM
I just learned na ang Jehovah's witness hindi sila nag pa participate o nakekealam sa election kahit nagbabayad sila ng taxes.
Bakit kaya sa INC may susuportahan?
Nangyari na ba sa kasaysayan ng INC na wala silang sinoportahan na kandidato sa election?
Iba ang Jehovah's Witnesses. May pagka-extreme.
Ang JW, hindi lang sa hindi nakikialam sa elections, bawal sa kanila na bumoto man lang sa elections. Bawal mag-comment sa kandidato, whether pro or con. Bawal mag kampanya, bawal sumuporta. Bawal bumoto sa kahit sinong kandidato.
Bawal din sa JW ang military service, whether for aggressive or defensive wars. If they are obliged by law to render military service for their country, JWs will still refuse even if they are penalized with imprisonment. Even if alternative civilian service is allowed for those who refuse military service as conscientious objectors, JWs will still refuse alternative civilian service.
Celebrating independence day - bawal. Saluting the Philippine flag - bawal. Singing the national anthem - bawal. Reciting the Panatang Makabayan - bawal. Paano kung hindi election, plebiscite lang, where you vote yes or no to ratify or reject a constitutional amendment - bawal din.
Post by: tony on Oct 28, 2015 at 08:09 PM
Post by: barrister on Oct 28, 2015 at 08:22 PM
Ang JW, may sariling bible --- the NWT bible ("New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures").
The NWT bible is published by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, the JW body in charge of directing, administering and developing JW official doctrine.
Walang sariling bible ang INC.
Post by: newwaveboy on Oct 28, 2015 at 08:24 PM
Also, one of my guys from my old work converted to JW just a few uears ago - bawal daw manlibre ang isang JW kapag birthday niya ...... pero kapag siya ang ililibre kapag birthday nang iba, pwede daw.
;D
Post by: barrister on Oct 28, 2015 at 08:36 PM
JWs believe birthdays are a pagan practice. They are forbidden from participating in pagan practices.
They cannot give or accept birthday gifts, because giving or accepting them will be an act of participating in the practice.
Paano kung iba ang may birthday. May nanlibre sa mga kaibigan, kasama ang isang JW. The JW cannot accept, because accepting is an act of participating.
Bakit ok kay amigo ang libre sa kanya para sa kaibigan na may birthday?
Either hindi alam na bawal, o hindi lang natiis... :D
Post by: tony on Oct 28, 2015 at 08:42 PM
Iba pa rin ang JWs.
Ang JW, may sariling bible --- the NWT bible ("New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures").
The NWT bible is published by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, the JW body in charge of directing, administering and developing JW official doctrine.
Walang sariling bible ang INC.
so the bible can be translated into which ever way you like.....
Post by: barrister on Oct 28, 2015 at 08:48 PM
so the bible can be translated into which ever way you like.....
Oo naman. Kanya-kanyang paniniwala yon. E di bahala ka.
Gusto mo, bible ng bading meron. Iniba nang konti ang sitas, hindi na masama ang homosexual acts... :D
http://www.amazon.com/The-Queen-James-Bible/dp/0615724531 (http://www.amazon.com/The-Queen-James-Bible/dp/0615724531)
http://www.gotquestions.org/Queen-James-Bible.html (http://www.gotquestions.org/Queen-James-Bible.html)
Post by: newwaveboy on Oct 28, 2015 at 10:01 PM
Bawal din sa JW yon.
JWs believe birthdays are a pagan practice. They are forbidden from participating in pagan practices.
They cannot give or accept birthday gifts, because giving or accepting them will be an act of participating in the practice.
Paano kung iba ang may birthday. May nanlibre sa mga kaibigan, kasama ang isang JW. The JW cannot accept, because accepting is an act of participating.
Bakit ok kay amigo ang libre sa kanya para sa kaibigan na may birthday?
Either hindi alam na bawal, o hindi lang natiis... :D
In the short time he's been JW, he has become a pastor of sorts in his church ......kaya sigurado ako, na alam niya kung ano bawal or hindi.
Sa hindi pag celebrate nang birthday niya, he claims religion ...... sa pagsama naman niya kapag iba ang mag celebrate, he just gives a wink and laughs. Tao nga naman ano. ;)
Post by: dpogs on Oct 28, 2015 at 11:49 PM
Post by: ricky on Oct 29, 2015 at 09:22 AM
Up to this time, wala pa din itinuturo na mali sa pag samba, hindi pa din ganoon kadali umanib, masigasig pa din ang mga may tungkulin at mga kapatid sa pagtugon at pag samba sa Ama. Kaya medyo nakakalungkot na kung usigin kami ay ganoon na lang. Alam naman natin na hindi lahat ng tao pare pareho, kahit kaanib sa iisang religihon , may kanya kanya pa rin asal na sinusunod ang bawat isa.
Kung may nakikita kayo na INC na baliko ang lakad, pasensyahan nyo na muna.
Pero ang importante hindi tumigil sa asamin na tumalikod sa gawang masama at mag pakabuti. Yan din naman ang gusto ng nakakarami sa atin na kaanib sa kahit anong religion na mag bago tayo sa sarili muna natin.
Sana makapanood kayo. Have an open mind muna. Minsan tayo nakikinig lang sa gusto natin pakinggan, problema kung mali na.
Atty salamat ng marami for being fair.
Last 2 weeks ang ganda ng mga aral sa pagsamba. Sa mga nauusig at napapadala sa kutya. Bakit ka titigil at tatalikod sa Ama? Ano ba ginawa nya syo? Diyos pa din ang importante, gawin pa din ang tama. Ngayon mas masigla na ako.
Post by: pTrader on Oct 29, 2015 at 10:55 AM
akala ko un tagalog version ang main bible ng INC :)
sir, grab a copy of Pasugo, inde lang tagalog version ang mababasa mo doon.
Post by: jerix on Oct 29, 2015 at 11:03 AM
Kaya medyo nakakalungkot na kung usigin kami ay ganoon na lang.
Bro Ricky, sa tingin ko kahit nababanggit ang pangalan ng INC sa mga discussion hindi ang INC as a religion o mga miyembro per se ang inuusig dito kundi ang Sanggunian na siyang mga namamahala ng INC. Hanggang ngayon naniniwala pa rin ako na ang mga miyembro ng INC ay disiplinado kagaya ng mga kakilala ko. Sa katunayan I allowed my daughter to be an INC with that thought in mind na baka bumait ng konti at yun nga naging mas responsible siya lalo na sa kanyang mga kapatid.
Post by: tony on Oct 29, 2015 at 12:26 PM
Post by: rulesmeister on Oct 29, 2015 at 01:10 PM
These groups dont interfere with standard gov't activities such as crimminal investigation etc. Their church leaders wouldnt commit dirty tricks such as illegal detention, death threats, "tiwalag"- excommunication, character assasination or use of private army to hide the truth from coming out in the open.
My ate is in the INC, my respect for her does not wane. Same goes for people I know who is an INC member..
Post by: tony on Oct 29, 2015 at 04:17 PM
and we never consider it persecuting the church when these offenders are brought to justice...
Post by: CoolTOYZPH on Oct 29, 2015 at 04:18 PM
we denounce phedophile priests in our church....
and we never consider it persecuting the church when these offenders are brought to justice...
Post by: toys4geeks on Oct 30, 2015 at 09:37 PM
Post by: tony on Nov 02, 2015 at 07:59 AM
Post by: pTrader on Nov 04, 2015 at 02:37 PM
Post by: tony on Nov 04, 2015 at 04:25 PM
Post by: Philander on Nov 04, 2015 at 04:28 PM
Post by: rulesmeister on Nov 05, 2015 at 07:20 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZFFqGIiatU
Post by: toys4geeks on Nov 09, 2015 at 03:37 PM
Nagsalita na yung maid held against her will. Di naman daw.
Ano ba talaga? :)
Post by: sirhc on Nov 09, 2015 at 04:49 PM
https://t.co/pyH7Mh5SzL
Nagsalita na yung maid held against her will. Di naman daw.
Ano ba talaga? :)
Sa ganyang instance paano na? Matiwalag o magsabi ng kasinungalingan? kahit anong gawin, impyerno tungo mo. hahaha.
Post by: GIJoe on Nov 10, 2015 at 09:16 AM
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/737050/expelled-iglesia-members-going-straight-to-hell (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/737050/expelled-iglesia-members-going-straight-to-hell)
Post by: pTrader on Nov 10, 2015 at 09:42 AM
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/737050/expelled-iglesia-members-going-straight-to-hell (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/737050/expelled-iglesia-members-going-straight-to-hell)
reading the below:
http://www.rappler.com/nation/112205-inc-menorca-house-help-abegail-yanson-video
Now who is going to hell, The Sanggunian or the victim?
Post by: sirhc on Nov 10, 2015 at 11:02 AM
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/737050/expelled-iglesia-members-going-straight-to-hell (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/737050/expelled-iglesia-members-going-straight-to-hell)
Scary. The INC higher ups is operating like a mafia. Kudos to Menorca for being a David to the Sanggunian's Goliath. He's really up against the odds here.
Parang mali ata. Kung totoo mang tinuturo sa INC yan ng mga ministro nila, so meron silang kapangyarihan na mag-judge ng mga miyembro nila? Paano nila nalalaman at masasabi kung sino ang maliligtas at sino ang mapupunta sa dagat-dagatang apoy? Meron ba sino man sa atin ang makapagsasabi kung sino ang mapupunta sa heaven at hell?
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Nov 10, 2015 at 11:16 AM
Scary. The INC higher ups is operating like a mafia. Kudos to Menorca for being a David to the Sanggunian's Goliath. He's really up against the odds here.
Parang mali ata. Kung totoo mang tinuturo sa INC yan ng mga ministro nila, so meron silang kapangyarihan na mag-judge ng mga miyembro nila? Paano nila nalalaman at masasabi kung sino ang maliligtas at sino ang mapupunta sa dagat-dagatang apoy? Meron ba sino man sa atin ang makapagsasabi kung sino ang mapupunta sa heaven at hell?
May pirated copy ng Book of Life. hehe!
Post by: pTrader on Nov 10, 2015 at 12:55 PM
Scary. The INC higher ups is operating like a mafia. Kudos to Menorca for being a David to the Sanggunian's Goliath. He's really up against the odds here.
Parang mali ata. Kung totoo mang tinuturo sa INC yan ng mga ministro nila, so meron silang kapangyarihan na mag-judge ng mga miyembro nila? Paano nila nalalaman at masasabi kung sino ang maliligtas at sino ang mapupunta sa dagat-dagatang apoy? Meron ba sino man sa atin ang makapagsasabi kung sino ang mapupunta sa heaven at hell?
simpleng sagot, wala ka sa iglesia inde ka ligtas, "kami taga langit kayo taga sanglibutan".
Post by: tony on Nov 10, 2015 at 03:42 PM
reading the below:
http://www.rappler.com/nation/112205-inc-menorca-house-help-abegail-yanson-video
Now who is going to hell, The Sanggunian or the victim?
there is no proof either way.....
me nakabalik na ba from being dead at nagsabi nito?
me nakarating na ba sa langit ang nakapagpatutoo dito?
all is based on faith, kung yan ang sinasampalatayahan mo de, dun ka,
or lipat sa ka mas gentle na pananampalataya..
yung hindi kailagan ng takutan at bintangan to the max...
Post by: pTrader on Nov 11, 2015 at 09:56 AM
there is no proof either way.....
me nakabalik na ba from being dead at nagsabi nito?
me nakarating na ba sa langit ang nakapagpatutoo dito?
all is based on faith, kung yan ang sinasampalatayahan mo de, dun ka,
or lipat sa ka mas gentle na pananampalataya..
yung hindi kailagan ng takutan at bintangan to the max...
in addition to this, wala sinoman nakakaalam kung paano gumalaw ang Diyos sa bawat isa. Ang Diyos din naman ang katatalos ng puso ng tao at nakaarok ng isipan ng tao.
Post by: Hitman on Nov 12, 2015 at 12:29 AM
Post by: dpogs on Nov 12, 2015 at 12:35 AM
Minsan iniisip ko, what if wala talagang Diyos? Walang langit at impyerno? Pag namatay tayo yun na, wala na tayong pupuntahan pa.
that is true. wala na... lahat tayo parepareho kahihitnan.
but then again... what if there is God? what if there is heaven and hell?
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Nov 12, 2015 at 12:58 AM
Minsan iniisip ko, what if wala talagang Diyos? Walang langit at impyerno? Pag namatay tayo yun na, wala na tayong pupuntahan pa.
Wala na din justice yun mga hindi na-convict na magnanakaw and corrupt officials natin yan. Hehe!
Post by: toys4geeks on Nov 12, 2015 at 01:34 AM
Minsan iniisip ko, what if wala talagang Diyos? Walang langit at impyerno? Pag namatay tayo yun na, wala na tayong pupuntahan pa.Eh ang diprensya siguro when the bad and the corrupt die, they turn to zombies :) Naku, baka pati sa walking dead eh Epal Epal pa din sila! Saksakin sila ni Glenn!
Post by: oweidah on Dec 08, 2015 at 05:51 PM
pero as institution....
cno nga ito artista tiwalag? katryn?
Post by: pTrader on Dec 09, 2015 at 09:41 AM
bawal sa member na mag endorse sa kandidato
pero as institution....
cno nga ito artista tiwalag? katryn?
http://politics.com.ph/expelled-by-iglesia-ni-cristo-kathryn-bernardo-free-to-endorse-mar-report/
Post by: tony on Dec 09, 2015 at 11:23 AM
Post by: sirhc on Dec 09, 2015 at 11:44 AM
Post by: tony on Dec 09, 2015 at 11:53 AM
^kawawa naman din si Kathryn, direcho sa dagat-dagatang apoy. ;D
bakit me nakabalik na ba from that dagat-dagatang apoy at nag confirm? >:D >:D
hindi na ginagawa ng katoliko yan sa ngayon,
wala akong nabalitaan excommunicated...
umalis kayo, marami namang pumapalit....
hindi na pwede ngayon ang takutan..... >:D >:D >:D
ganito kaganda itiniwalag? welcome sya sa katolico, aba eh masugid akong nanonood ng Pangako sa Iyo gabi-gabi...
(http://politics.com.ph/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/d112.jpg)
Post by: rulesmeister on Dec 09, 2015 at 12:53 PM
Hindi dapat sa dagat-dagatang apoy dadalhin mga ganyan >:D >:D >:D
Post by: tigkal on Dec 09, 2015 at 01:30 PM
Minsan iniisip ko, what if wala talagang Diyos? Walang langit at impyerno? Pag namatay tayo yun na, wala na tayong pupuntahan pa.
Eto ask ko sa mga masyadong religious. What if may dumating na alien at explain scientifically yung nakasulat sa bible, and with matching demonstration pa. For example the seven plagues, how Adam and Eve were made etc.. would you change your belief? Usual answer is it will not happen. Ask ko ulit what if it will happen. hindi daw talaga pwede mangayari. Kaya parting words ko is need to decide now if it will happen, so that you will have more time to think your next move, than think what to believe when that time comes.
Post by: JT on Dec 10, 2015 at 03:37 AM
Eto ask ko sa mga masyadong religious. What if may dumating na alien at explain scientifically yung nakasulat sa bible, and with matching demonstration pa. For example the seven plagues, how Adam and Eve were made etc.. would you change your belief? Usual answer is it will not happen. Ask ko ulit what if it will happen. hindi daw talaga pwede mangayari. Kaya parting words ko is need to decide now if it will happen, so that you will have more time to think your next move, than think what to believe when that time comes.
Ah it can happen, in fact world government including NASA and the Vatican (Project Lucifer) are already preparing for it. Whether true or fabricated alien arrival, it can lead the people into ONE WORLD RELIGION (ECUMENISM).
However for the full-gospel bible-based christians, Paul says in Galatians 1:8 "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed."
Post by: dpogs on Dec 10, 2015 at 03:56 AM
Ah it can happen, in fact world government including NASA and the Vatican (Project Lucifer) are already preparing for it. Whether true or fabricated alien arrival, it can lead the people into ONE WORLD RELIGION (ECUMENISM).
However for the full-gospel bible-based christians, Paul says in Galatians 1:8 "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed."
I agree on this.
Post by: tony on Dec 10, 2015 at 07:22 AM
bawal sa member na mag endorse sa kandidato
pero as institution....
cno nga ito artista tiwalag? katryn?
doudle standards, like kings, they tell their servant/members, only the church can endorse politicians, and only after a survey of who will most likely win....mere members have no such rights, after all taga bigay lang sila ng abuloy/ikapu.....
Post by: majoe on Dec 10, 2015 at 08:41 PM
Eto ask ko sa mga masyadong religious. What if may dumating na alien at explain scientifically yung nakasulat sa bible, and with matching demonstration pa. For example the seven plagues, how Adam and Eve were made etc.. would you change your belief? Usual answer is it will not happen. Ask ko ulit what if it will happen. hindi daw talaga pwede mangayari. Kaya parting words ko is need to decide now if it will happen, so that you will have more time to think your next move, than think what to believe when that time comes.
nanood ka siguro ng mission to mars ;)
wala naman conflict dyan kasi sabi mo nakasulat sa bible eh. at kung sinuman ang alien na yun, pwede nating sabihin na angel yun ;)
Post by: majoe on Dec 10, 2015 at 08:46 PM
Ah it can happen, in fact world government including NASA and the Vatican (Project Lucifer) are already preparing for it. Whether true or fabricated alien arrival, it can lead the people into ONE WORLD RELIGION (ECUMENISM).
so, is this good news to you ?
Post by: tony on Dec 11, 2015 at 06:45 AM
Post by: JT on Dec 11, 2015 at 07:15 AM
so, is this good news to you ?
It is both bad and good. The bible described these events as birth pains. A woman will experience many pains during child birth but afterwards comes joy and fulfillment.
So the bible is saying, it is bad news because of so much trouble & suffering that comes with it. But will be good news in the end because finally all things will be made new.
Revelation 21:1-5 describes it like this:
"Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away. Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me,“Write, for these words are true and faithful.”
Post by: JT on Dec 11, 2015 at 07:19 AM
pwede siguro yang ONE WORLD RELIGION (ECUMENISM) pag nagkaubusan na ng lahi ang mga Sunni's at Shiit's...pag nahinto na ang patayan...
Muslims believe in aliens as well. They say Quran supports it. They also say that the Kaaba stone in Mecca comes from the heavens, alien in origin.
Post by: dpogs on Dec 11, 2015 at 07:47 AM
Post by: tony on Dec 11, 2015 at 07:52 AM
Muslims believe in aliens as well. They say Quran supports it. They also say that the Kaaba stone in Mecca comes from the heavens, alien in origin.
yes, i have been watching than on history channel about the astronaut theory....
Post by: dpogs on Dec 11, 2015 at 07:58 AM
yan daw ang tutusok sa langit para kasamang umakyat ang mismong simbahan ng INC pagdating ng second comng. :):):)
Post by: CeeV on Dec 11, 2015 at 08:02 AM
Post by: tony on Dec 11, 2015 at 08:05 AM
Post by: rochie on Dec 11, 2015 at 02:52 PM
meron nga akong narinig kung bakit patulis ang itsura ng mga building ng INC :)
yan daw ang tutusok sa langit para kasamang umakyat ang mismong simbahan ng INC pagdating ng second comng. :):):)
kayo ano ba hitsura ng simbahan nyo?
Post by: tony on Dec 11, 2015 at 03:08 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Bas%C3%ADlica_de_San_Sebasti%C3%A1n%2C_%28Agustinos_Recoletos%29_Manila%2C_Filipinas..jpg)
Post by: nelcarol1994 on Dec 11, 2015 at 04:45 PM
meron nga akong narinig kung bakit patulis ang itsura ng mga building ng INC :)Mataas ang langit sa pag angat ng kapilya nila pero sabog ito sa pagbagsak kasi walang angkla yong patulis nila di tulad ng sa catholic cross ang nasa toktok at pag kumapit sa langit may suporta sa dalawang side
yan daw ang tutusok sa langit para kasamang umakyat ang mismong simbahan ng INC pagdating ng second comng. :):):)
Post by: ricky on Dec 11, 2015 at 08:27 PM
Ahem
Hindi ko naman ginawa itong thread na ito para gawin nyong katatawanan. Parang lahat na lang pwede nyo gawin ah.
Post by: pTrader on Dec 14, 2015 at 05:35 PM
Ahem
Ahem
Hindi ko naman ginawa itong thread na ito para gawin nyong katatawanan. Parang lahat na lang pwede nyo gawin ah.
within that 100 years of INC, napaguusapan na yang paglipad ng kapilya. This topic has been resurrected again and again..
e bakit nga ba may usapan na lilipad yung chapel ng INC?
Post by: tony on Dec 20, 2015 at 09:57 AM
Post by: GIJoe on Jan 19, 2016 at 08:13 AM
https://www.facebook.com/RestoretheChurch/posts/1557781811179255 (https://www.facebook.com/RestoretheChurch/posts/1557781811179255)
Post by: tony on Jan 19, 2016 at 10:36 AM
parang away kapatid lang yan, sa huli magkakasundo rin....;)
Post by: popejerico on Jan 20, 2016 at 10:30 AM
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/757046/ex-inc-minister-barred-from-going-to-hearing-as-police-try-to-serve-arrest-warrant#ixzz3xkN3euXw
Post by: tony on Jan 20, 2016 at 11:54 AM
Ano na naman tong nangyayari sa INC just now, re Menorca? Sobrang harassment na eto. Ginagamit pa mga INC members na Polizei. Ano tingin ng INC sa Pinoy? Bulag at Bobo?
they have soldiers from the ranks of the police and military....this is not surprising....
like i said, they are undergoing an "awkward phase" ang malungkot, hindi doktrina ang pinag-aawayan, pera pera lang....
Post by: tony on Jan 20, 2016 at 11:56 AM
I heard the news over the radio... naaawa ako dun sa whistleblower... Eto yung article related to it.
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/757046/ex-inc-minister-barred-from-going-to-hearing-as-police-try-to-serve-arrest-warrant#ixzz3xkN3euXw
i was watching Ted Failon on dzmm radio, Ted was shedding tears as he was interviewing the wife of Menorca...
Post by: NongP on Jan 20, 2016 at 12:59 PM
Post by: tony on Jan 20, 2016 at 01:00 PM
Post by: GIJoe on Jan 20, 2016 at 02:16 PM
http://news.abs-cbn.com/nation/metro-manila/01/20/16/watch-cop-grabs-menorca-as-wife-screams-tulungan-niyo-kami (http://news.abs-cbn.com/nation/metro-manila/01/20/16/watch-cop-grabs-menorca-as-wife-screams-tulungan-niyo-kami)
Post by: sirhc on Jan 20, 2016 at 02:59 PM
No disrespect meant to the INC members here but, how do you feel about supporting and even enabling the sanggunian to do these abuses? I have no qualms about your doctrines and faith per se but you ARE supporting and enabling your church's leaders as long as you belong to the faith, you have your tithes and your numbers for that. Sad thing is they use that, God's Fund and God's people, to harass, meddle with the gov't affairs, have politicians in their pockets, and even have a semblance of control of the PNP and the Military. I know, nothing has been proven certifiably true so far with Menorca's accusations but the other abuses are so already so engrossed that you don't even need evidences anymore.
Post by: tony on Jan 20, 2016 at 05:32 PM
Post by: gl168 on Jan 20, 2016 at 05:41 PM
I think they number around 3million? Out of more than a 100million people, 85% of which is Catholic, if I'm not mistaken
Post by: tony on Jan 20, 2016 at 05:52 PM
Post by: jerix on Jan 20, 2016 at 08:23 PM
Post by: cyberdraven on Jan 20, 2016 at 08:56 PM
hindi natin papatulan ang minorities, dapat silang unawain....
this is why i admire Pres Putin when he made a speech in front of the congress amidst bill to pass concerning muslim minorities. ika nya, if they come to russia, they need to speak russia, eat russia and embrace culture of russia. if they want shaira law, then they go to a country with shaira law.
Post by: dpogs on Jan 21, 2016 at 03:32 AM
kailangan ko bang makisawsaw sa problema o away ng mga namamahala at kamag-anak nila o itutuon ko na lamang aking atensiyon at lakas sa pagsamba sa Diyos?
Post by: jerix on Jan 21, 2016 at 07:11 AM
kung ilalagay ko ang katayuan ko sa mga miyembro, paano kung walang katotohanan ang mga pinagsasabi nitong mga natiwalag na kasapi?
kailangan ko bang makisawsaw sa problema o away ng mga namamahala at kamag-anak nila o itutuon ko na lamang aking atensiyon at lakas sa pagsamba sa Diyos?
Ang isang normal na tao ay may sapat na talino upang malaman sa kanyang sarili o maramdaman man lamang ang dapat at hindi na nangyayari sa kanyang paligid. Depende sa nabuong kaisipan ayon sa mga nakikita. at nararamdaman. Ang paglantad, pakikiramay at ebentuwal na pakisali sa gulo ay ayon sa dikta ng damdamin at pag-iisip.
Obvious sa video ang dapat at hindi dapat sa pag serve ng warrant of arrest. Pati ang Chief ng PNP me iniisip na violation na nangyari. Kung ang sistema ginawa sa pagdakip o pag serve ng warrant ay isang SOP lamang aba ito ay hindi matinong sistema. Nakaka bingi din at abnormal ang katahimikan ng mga kilalang komentarista at mga politiko sa isyung ito. Ayaw nila na magtampo ang INC sa kanila, dahil eleksiyon na.
Post by: tony on Jan 21, 2016 at 07:51 AM
at nung time na binibilhan namin ng mga bagong kotse ang mga top brass ng company,
yung isang buyer namin, nakabile ng bagong kotse....
obvious ba? sa sweldo nya at the time, impossible, needless to say,
an investigation was done and the guy admitted to his crime....
people have eyes, people will see....and human nature has it,
those who are corrupt tends to flaunt kaya nabibisto...
people are people anywhere anytime...
Post by: abbey on Jan 22, 2016 at 12:40 AM
If Mr.Soriano was taken that night probably we can"t hear him again on TV.
Post by: abbey on Jan 22, 2016 at 01:08 AM
Members of the INC are not blind not to see what is happening but they cannot do anything. They are crying inside I believe. They cannot believe what they are seeing. My daughter is an INC and she is not at liberty to discuss any issue pertaining this.
May awa ang Dios Sir! Malaki ang pananagutan ng mga Lider ng mga relihiyon sa Dios..Imbes na maging mabuti miembro ginagawa nila itong kampon ng kasamaan..Paatras ang turo nila na si Kristo ay tao at si Mr. Manalo sya ay anghel...``I pray that your daughter will find the truth...
As"Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
John 20:28-29
Post by: turismo1997 on Jan 22, 2016 at 03:53 AM
Pero, kapag ang mismong kabuhayan at pangarap ko ay naapektohan na dahil sa "block" voting na yan. Eh ibang usapan na yan.
Post by: tony on Jan 22, 2016 at 08:22 AM
what is happening to the INC today is what happened during the
Spanish friars during the time of Jose Rizal....
if you recall, Rizal wrote two novels exposing a social cancer that the
spanish friars were largely responsible for....
today it was believed that Menorca was the author of blogs
critical of the INC much like that of Rizal's novels...
I will not be surprised if Menorca becomes a martyr for his beliefs...huwag naman sana...
Like then the friars had Rizal incarcerated, deported to Dapitan, tried in
a kangaroo court, then sentenced to die......
Ninoy Aquino and many other who were dissenters of conscience became martyrs...
i just hope and pray Menorca does not meet the same fate....
Bible readers are very good indeed in reciting from the bible....
but that is all.....
what is happening today is a dark chapter in the INC history...
Post by: jerix on Jan 22, 2016 at 08:32 AM
Post by: tony on Jan 22, 2016 at 08:41 AM
Post by: raptor on Jan 22, 2016 at 08:43 AM
Post by: leomarley on Jan 22, 2016 at 08:53 AM
Post by: tony on Jan 22, 2016 at 08:54 AM
Post by: tony on Jan 22, 2016 at 08:54 AM
kalokohan talaga yang batas natin sa Libel. dapat baguhin na yan eh. it should be treated only as a civil case and not a criminal one.
agree +10000000000
Post by: krets pulpol on Jan 22, 2016 at 09:28 AM
Anyway, election time so politicians are busy with their own plans. Unless somebody takes the bait to gain more exposure and ratings.
Ang labo ng mga kaso, sobrang layo ng pinanggalingan pero halos sabay sabay inilabas. Very obvious and ill timing.
Post by: jerix on Jan 22, 2016 at 09:32 AM
Post by: sirhc on Jan 22, 2016 at 09:57 AM
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/757765/expelled-inc-minister-i-was-warned-ill-be-next-after-menorca
Isaias Samson Jr was I think the first one who ran an expose on the leaders.
Post by: tony on Jan 22, 2016 at 10:04 AM
they are the ones that can do funny things when they came to certain realizations....
that no matter what indoctrination is done, human nature prevails and the innate good in man asserts itself...
Post by: jackryan on Jan 22, 2016 at 10:04 AM
PS. Any chance that the subject line for this post can be updated by the original author to just reflect INC. At the rate things are going, surely we can all agree all this dirt coming out is contrary to "100 years of God's blessings". Or, maybe, we should keep it because it is now divine intervention that allowed this to come out. I am sure our INC brothers in the forum are also for the real and honest truth, and nothing else...
Post by: jackryan on Jan 22, 2016 at 10:07 AM
I am just wondering about the court process of serving a warrant. According to the Chief of Police, an unknown person who is supposed to be a lawyer of the complainant came to the Police station and seek assistance in serving the warrant issued by a court in Lanao. So the said Police Chief instructed his policemen to serve the same incognito, and thats it. ;D This Chief of Police should be sacked! >:(
I think it is simple delicadeza that the Police Superindent of this tracker team (wearing shorts, refusing to show their badge nor proper warrant papers should be sacked / suspended) should have inhibited himself being an INC member himself...
Just really smack of strengthening public opinion that the INC leadership today is vent on hiding things.
I guess, we have to sit tight for another public mass action that would paralyze the flow of traffic very soon in Metro Manila... :(
Post by: tony on Jan 22, 2016 at 10:19 AM
Yes, why don't they just allow the whole truth to come out and let justice takes its course.
PS. Any chance that the subject line for this post can be updated by the original author to just reflect INC. At the rate things are going, surely we can all agree all this dirt coming out is contrary to "100 years of God's blessings". Or, maybe, we should keep it because it is now divine intervention that allowed this to come out. I am sure our INC brothers in the forum are also for the real and honest truth, and nothing else...
If the INC can learn from these...then it is still a blessing
Post by: rochie on Jan 22, 2016 at 10:29 AM
PS. Any chance that the subject line for this post can be updated by the original author to just reflect INC. At the rate things are going, surely we can all agree all this dirt coming out is contrary to "100 years of God's blessings". Or, maybe, we should keep it because it is now divine intervention that allowed this to come out. I am sure our INC brothers in the forum are also for the real and honest truth, and nothing else...
and thread na to ay ginawa para po sa mga myembro ng INC nung 100 anniversary para magkabatian kahit dito sa forum lang,nagkataon lang na nung nagkaroon ng malaking issue nung nakaraang taon ay dito pa din nag popost ang mga hindi kasapi para magtanong kung anong nangyayayari at malugod namang sinasagot ng ibang mga myembro base sa kanilang kaalaman,nakakalungkot lang na may mga ibang tao na kung magsalita at mag paratang ay ganun na lang na para bang alam na alam nila lahat ng mga pangyayari gayung hindi naman sila kaanib at hindi din naman nila alam kung ano ang doktrina na sinusunod namin.
ngayon po kung gusto nyong magpatuloy na pag-usapan ang aming relihiyon, mabuti man o masama ay hindi po namin kayo pinipigilan doon, ang isang pakiusap lang namin ay sana po gumawa na lang kayo ng bagong "thread" at doon nyo po pag-usapan kung ano man ang gusto nyong pag-usapan. kami po ay gusto naman naming malaman ang katotohanan kaya naghihintay kami kung ano kahihinatnan ng mga kaso. konting respeto na lang po sa gumawa ng "thread" na ang layunin nya ay dito magkausap usap,magbatian at magbahagi ng mga kaganapan sa loob ng INC. siguro naman po ayaw nyong mangyari sa inyo na sa loob mismo ng bahay nyo ay kung ano anong masasamang salita at paratang ang ibinabato sa inyo ng mga "bisita" nyo.
salamat po sa mga nakakaunawa.
Post by: jerix on Jan 22, 2016 at 10:31 AM
The INC of course has to use its power and influence but obviously it is ruining their reputation further in the community. I would like to believe that Zabala should just stop talking because nobody in his right mind would believe him that the INC has no hand in the progressing events.
Likewise, pardon me but I do not have the full peace of mind with the chosen lawyer of Menorca. Where are the known lawyers of our society? Takot din ba sila?
Post by: jerix on Jan 22, 2016 at 10:34 AM
and thread na to ay ginawa para po sa mga myembro ng INC nung 100 anniversary para magkabatian kahit dito sa forum lang,nagkataon lang na nung nagkaroon ng malaking issue nung nakaraang taon ay dito pa din nag popost ang mga hindi kasapi para magtanong kung anong nangyayayari at malugod namang sinasagot ng ibang mga myembro base sa kanilang kaalaman,nakakalungkot lang na may mga ibang tao na kung magsalita at mag paratang ay ganun na lang na para bang alam na alam nila lahat ng mga pangyayari gayung hindi naman sila kaanib at hindi din naman nila alam kung ano ang doktrina na sinusunod namin.
ngayon po kung gusto nyong magpatuloy na pag-usapan ang aming relihiyon, mabuti man o masama ay hindi po namin kayo pinipigilan doon, ang isang pakiusap lang namin ay sana po gumawa na lang kayo ng bagong "thread" at doon nyo po pag-usapan kung ano man ang gusto nyong pag-usapan. kami po ay gusto naman naming malaman ang katotohanan kaya naghihintay kami kung ano kahihinatnan ng mga kaso. konting respeto na lang po sa gumawa ng "thread" na ang layunin nya ay dito magkausap usap,magbatian at magbahagi ng mga kaganapan sa loob ng INC. siguro naman po ayaw nyong mangyari sa inyo na sa loob mismo ng bahay nyo ay kung ano anong masasamang salita at paratang ang ibinabato sa inyo ng mga "bisita" nyo.
salamat po sa mga nakakaunawa.
I agree maybe another thread is good
Post by: thebat on Jan 22, 2016 at 02:08 PM
Meron nang INC issue thread here:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,205170.0.html
Post by: jackryan on Jan 22, 2016 at 06:16 PM
and thread na to ay ginawa para po sa mga myembro ng INC nung 100 anniversary para magkabatian kahit dito sa forum lang,nagkataon lang na nung nagkaroon ng malaking issue nung nakaraang taon ay dito pa din nag popost ang mga hindi kasapi para magtanong kung anong nangyayayari at malugod namang sinasagot ng ibang mga myembro base sa kanilang kaalaman,nakakalungkot lang na may mga ibang tao na kung magsalita at mag paratang ay ganun na lang na para bang alam na alam nila lahat ng mga pangyayari gayung hindi naman sila kaanib at hindi din naman nila alam kung ano ang doktrina na sinusunod namin.
ngayon po kung gusto nyong magpatuloy na pag-usapan ang aming relihiyon, mabuti man o masama ay hindi po namin kayo pinipigilan doon, ang isang pakiusap lang namin ay sana po gumawa na lang kayo ng bagong "thread" at doon nyo po pag-usapan kung ano man ang gusto nyong pag-usapan. kami po ay gusto naman naming malaman ang katotohanan kaya naghihintay kami kung ano kahihinatnan ng mga kaso. konting respeto na lang po sa gumawa ng "thread" na ang layunin nya ay dito magkausap usap,magbatian at magbahagi ng mga kaganapan sa loob ng INC. siguro naman po ayaw nyong mangyari sa inyo na sa loob mismo ng bahay nyo ay kung ano anong masasamang salita at paratang ang ibinabato sa inyo ng mga "bisita" nyo.
salamat po sa mga nakakaunawa.
So close this thread and move to the new one?
However, IMHO to keep this as a private folder for INC members only in principle, doesn't seem appropriate too given that the forum sections are for general public postings for all members of pinoydvd regardless of religious beliefs.
Anyway, enjoy the weekend everyone!
Post by: abbey on Jan 22, 2016 at 07:23 PM
I agree to create a new thread.
Post by: ninjababez® on Jan 23, 2016 at 01:56 PM
I agree maybe another thread is goodtagal ko na suggest yan bro, kaso di naman mapigilan ibang tao mag comment/post dito sa thread.
edit: meron na pala c/o dpogs
Post by: pao9307 on Mar 03, 2016 at 10:53 AM
Yes, in reference to this video: https://www.facebook.com/topgearphilippines/videos/1049820148398386/
Post by: dpogs on Mar 03, 2016 at 11:42 AM
Parang catholic, merong central office - vatican. Sa kaso ng INC ang central office nila o ang head chirch ay iyong nasa Comonwealth.
Post by: pao9307 on Mar 03, 2016 at 12:13 PM
Kulit din nung driver e, lakas ng loob na wala sa lugar. ;D