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Entertainment => Film & TV Talk => Pinoy Entertainment => Topic started by: toys4geeks on Feb 29, 2012 at 06:46 AM
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Bluray Disc offers superior quality on both sound and picture, with zoom in clarity to show the in details even the slightest imperfections especially on close up shots.
I am curious if there are any BD titles planned for Filipino Films, or if none, what's keeping our film makers to release in BD (or remakes)
is it a technical limitation of how we Filipinos shoot films here (camera we use, audio formaats to provide 5.1 formats)
is it a limitation on cost of producing BD over DVD ?
I recall growing up with black and white films that hit the tube (Nivico TV :) ) but i never saw reruns of those, i can only imagine the cause was we failed to store the film original properly or we used poor media then that did not survive the passing of time.
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This is my dream also for some of our Filipino classic films. The good news is Ishmael Bernal's HIMALA is now in hi definition according to a Cinema One insider. I dont know if they have plans to release it in bd which is the best format right now.
Soon to follow are the remaining Experimental Cinema of the Philippines classics like ORO PLATA MATA which in my book, the best Filipino film ever made, SOLTERO & MISTERYO SA TUWA.
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The problem is they cannot even come up with a fairly decent DVD release of the latest movies let alone the classics. What they would need is a working print in perfect condition for a 4K restoration then remaster the soundtrack to 24 bit Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Stereo. I don't think the video manufacturers would spend so much money for a Blu-ray of a movie that has already been released on DVD. Someone from Star Records and Video said why would they release an old movie when nobody buys them...
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It is unfortunate if they wont release or at least compile, digitize, para preserve what's remaining from those years kasi it captures a lot from those periods. I am sure i have missed out a lot of worthwhile films to watch. If they cannot even move to BD, at least make a compilation kahit in mono or stereo of what's available.
I am sure we still have a lot of nice places here in the Philippines that may serve as their background scenes and capturing them on film, even for just a glimpse, makes us proud. And capture and admire the row of houses made from a certain period of pinoy history, like one of those i drove along in a town proper in northern Bulacan. Kahit pa nahaluan ng patches of modern renovations, and ganda, ideal for some film to do some work there.
Its nice to see and how filipino films have evolved in techniques.
For newer films, will it cost studio more if they go out and already take advantage of BD or HD-DVD ?
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There's also the lack of available copies. Most of the movies from the 70's and 80's are only available on either Betamax, VHS and U-Matic which were used as source materials for some of the DVD and VCD releases from Paragon and Aquarius. These movies cannot even be transferred onto any digital format due to their low analog resolution.
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I don't know but I might be wrong, I've read in broadsheets before that Yam Laranas' THE ROAD will be the first Filipino film to be release on blu ray format.
And since we are talking about milestone, Quark Henares' GAMITAN was the first Pinoy film on dvd format. Never mind what the critics said about that film. ;D
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Not sure if the movie is good enough to merit a Blu-ray release, after all his last film outing was terrible...
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Its likely a cost issue. Like how many of our kababayans own BD players at the least (plus hidef tv's & audio equipments)? Then among these folks, how many of them are willing purchase Filipino films? I think DVDs are still more accessible to most Pinoys. I wonder how are the sales of Filipino DVD movies. Maybe studios aren't earning from DVD sales as much as ticket sales sa movie theaters. It would be nice to have some classics available in BDs though.
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Its likely a cost issue. Like how many of our kababayans own BD players at the least (plus hidef tv's & audio equipments)? Then among these folks, how many of them are willing purchase Filipino films? I think DVDs are still more accessible to most Pinoys. I wonder how are the sales of Filipino DVD movies. Maybe studios aren't earning from DVD sales as much as ticket sales sa movie theaters. It would be nice to have some classics available in BDs though.
Pero i'd surmise may market din naman yung from allover the world those with disposable income, in the same manner TFC is a sure fixture sa mga pinoys abroad.
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True. But then again, maybe weak ang sales ng DVDs of local movies among overseas Pinoys. Probably studios use that as a basis whether to pursue the feasibility of BD releases. Also I think for overseas Pinoys, the competition from Hollywood-movie BDs will overwhelm the sales of Pinoy BDs if ever. Unless a local film makes a global breakthrough, then maybe a release in BD format would be considered. I wonder if local studios have the technology to support BD releases.
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Pero i'd surmise may market din naman yung from allover the world those with disposable income, in the same manner TFC is a sure fixture sa mga pinoys abroad.
Yes there is a market....the hi-definition format is starting to crawl on the lives of the middle-class Filipinos.
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Yes there is a market....the hi-definition format is starting to crawl on the lives of the middle-class Filipinos.
I'll stretch a bit that studios can start going for HD format and hopefully export, stream their premium digital content from Pinas.
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And since we are talking about milestone, Quark Henares' GAMITAN was the first Pinoy film on dvd format. Never mind what the critics said about that film. ;D
Was it? And I seem to recall Keka was already available on DVD before Gamitan (even though the latter was made first), unless I'm mistaken.
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You were right, Dan.
My mistake, what I meant was the first Filipino film with director's commentary.
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You were right, Dan.
My mistake, what I meant was the first Filipino film with director's commentary.
Ahhh... That's interesting. Makahanap nga ng Gamitan DVD...
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What's this (Philippine?) high def movie called DEEP GOLD? Meron pang 3D version yata. :D
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What's this (Philippine?) high def movie called DEEP GOLD? Meron pang 3D version yata. :D
Saw this film from Bigfoot Entertainment Inc. shot in Palawan and Cebu, with foreign stars:
Deep Gold 3D (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0929742/) high def nga, B-movie dating. foreign stars:
Bee Pham (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2295230/) , JayMee ong (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0648645/) & MIchael Gleissner (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1698419/)
peppered with under water shots, film is set in cebu gold treasure found and hauled by the PNP, for shipping from Cebu to Manila BSP via PHil military plane. plane crashes along with the gold, divers retrieve only to find out its fake, classic switcharoo, which led to the capture of the insider/perps that go way up.
make sure you finish the credits ;D
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I'd say one of the the biggest problems is that we do not have the resources to clean/remaster the old films which are classics anyway (and as Jojo pointed out, we don't even have proper source materials to begin with), so releasing them on Blu-ray would be an exercise in futility.
Most of the newer films released locally... I wouldn't purchase on Blu-ray. Even if they priced them at 50 pesos. ;D
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I'd say one of the the biggest problems is that we do not have the resources to clean/remaster the old films which are classics anyway (and as Jojo pointed out, we don't even have proper source materials to begin with), so releasing them on Blu-ray would be an exercise in futility.
Most of the newer films released locally... I wouldn't purchase on Blu-ray. Even if they priced them at 50 pesos. ;D
exactly, you will not buy it coz of the quality of film or the resolution is not ready for bluray (somehow i know the answer, but i had to ask ;) )
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Regal Home Video to release Temptation Island remake on Blu-ray which will be priced at $39.99...
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TEMPTATION ISLAND will be the first Filipino film in bd format?!
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Yup! The remake... At these prices, I think I'll pass...
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I'll pass din...not worthy. ;D
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Regal DVD's are quite expensive and leaves much to be desired in terms of quality. The Temptation Island remake wasn't even anamorphic widescreen... I have no idea who will pay that much money for a Blu-ray release of an okay movie.
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would be nice for studios to look into adopting HD format to stream via the internet where Filipinos abroad can get a taste of on demand streaming direct from studio archives, in a similar manner how ABS-CBN got their TFC into every Filipino American household.
Isnt it the same effort when shooting films and digital (HD) equipment provides a better alternative for studios long term?
I would surmise that studios would benefit when they shoot in HD since it will make it easier for studios do post production and retain archives.
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Motion Picture Academy: digital films need greater preservation efforts
We all know what it's like to be stuck with obsolete media: who hasn't seen boxes of VHS tapes at garage sales, next to the 8-track cassettes? The inevitable move into all-digital means of production and distribution is supposed to alleviate this problem (or at least provide us with a new set of problems), but the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences wants to draw attention to another consideration: digital preservation. The Academy's Science & Technology Council just released the second part of "Digital Dilemma," its years-long study of the issue. Its findings? While filmmakers — independents and documentarians, especially — recognize the benefits of digital workflow, most don't consider the effects on longevity. While good old-fashioned film can last for a century even if not carefully preserved, digital masters can quickly become unwatchable, whether due to media failures or incompatibility. (Imagine trying to play a Flash video in 2100.)
Even when aware of the problem, most filmmakers can't do much about it. Preserving digital media requires greater commitment and overhead than typical film archiving; the most robust archival method, in fact, is converting digital into film. But that's prohibitively expensive. Instead, the Academy hopes to establish standard file formats beginning later this year. It's also working with the Library of Congress to make sure our new wealth of digital video doesn't turn to unreadable relics in the coming decades.
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Are the film masters up to standards for 4K video transfer? The studios are all about tingi tingi and not high production value and quality recording material. They do not even keep these masters, if it is even there, stored properly.
The studios know that any product they churn out will be pirated and sold downtown at cost. Law enforcement will not do anything because it is anti-poor.
The problem is they cannot even come up with a fairly decent DVD release of the latest movies let alone the classics. What they would need is a working print in perfect condition for a 4K restoration then remaster the soundtrack to 24 bit Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD Stereo. I don't think the video manufacturers would spend so much money for a Blu-ray of a movie that has already been released on DVD. Someone from Star Records and Video said why would they release an old movie when nobody buys them...
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Here's an upadate on HD restoration of Pinoy films..1st up ..Ishmael Bernal's HIMALA
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150952117063833&set=p.10150952117063833&type=1&theater
how about the sound kaya?::)
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correct me if i'm wrong guys. i think one of Robin Padillas film was the 1st. one to be trleased in dolby digital 5.1
surround. and that happened only once. ch. 2 at the moment shoots in HD since the have new hd cameras. i think they need a software to be able to incorporate 5.1 material. :)
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malabo ito. the filipino film industry itself is dying due to piracy and lack of ticket sales, bloated actor TFs, and hard selling. plus yung mga old classics ay dahan dahan nang nabubulok. though i had a friend who worked in regal before and they did attempt to preserve and clean the old copies for digital storing. pero sobrang time consuming daw mag restore ng isang film pa lang. di rin kasi inalagaan yung master source, kaya kahit sa dvd pang betamax quality pa rin.
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correct me if i'm wrong guys. i think one of Robin Padillas film was the 1st. one to be trleased in dolby digital 5.1
surround. and that happened only once. ch. 2 at the moment shoots in HD since the have new hd cameras. i think they need a software to be able to incorporate 5.1 material. :)
what Robin'sfilm sir? i Think the 1st one was...Yam's Sigaw ...DD5.1 on DVD ..well, you need to remix the film into 5.1 format, dilemma is..how to unearth the raw sound elements ...naka magnetic tape pa yata yung mga yun :) or you need to recreate the whole soundtrack which entails time and huge sum of money ;D na mukang malabo na yun.....kaya Bluray can happen old Pinoy films siguro Hires video with a bland mono sound ;)
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They're almost done with the hi-def restoration of Bernal's masterpiece HIMALA. Based on the the still pic that I saw....its gorgeous and awesome restoration!
Kudos to Abs-Cbn! Kaya naman pala natin!
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It seems for dvd release lang daw the hi-def version ng HIMALA. So that means, we wont get the 1080p resolution of the hi-def version.
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Well, at least it's being preserved somewhat. I'm still hoping they can make a 1080p conversion but this is already very very good news.
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The cost.
Old films are not even being preserved.
And converting it to HD is definitely not gonna happen.
However, if the local movie industry will invest now and produce HD. If it is in digital format then preservation is just making sure the digital copy is intact.
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saw an article a few weeks back that government will make a digital archives for old films, dunno what that means but i hope they get all those black and whites and accessible to public domain (it made it to TV before decades before).
there's no central place public domain or paid, to get, say films from 1950s-1960s.
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Seems like there is a US Blu-Ray release for Yam Laranas' The Road:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Road-Blu-ray-TJ-Trinidad/dp/B009AFXUEY/ref=pd_ybh_8
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Seems like there is a US Blu-Ray release for Yam Laranas' The Road:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Road-Blu-ray-TJ-Trinidad/dp/B009AFXUEY/ref=pd_ybh_8
Ayos, 1st kaya ito?
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Well guys, I guess there's some glimmer of hope for us classic film junkies. "Himala (HD)" is hitting theaters December 5 (pictures and trailer here: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,172138.0.html), and a slew of other films will follow, including "Oro, Plata, Mata", "Madrasta", etc. I read in an article that the President of ABS-CBN Film Archives is eyeing to create a Criterion Collection for local movies.
Best. News. Ever.
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I hope they keep central concepts of the films in mind when restoring.
We all love 5.1 audio, but if the film was intended to be recorded/shown in stereo (or even mono), the restoration should also be the same.
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A US Blu-ray release for Filipino film, "Graceland":
http://www.amazon.com/Graceland-Blu-ray-Digital-Arnold-Reyes/dp/B00C6F605G/ref=sr_sp-btf_title_1_4?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1366941392&sr=1-4&keywords=graceland
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I think the deal with Erik Matti's On The Job with Well Go includes a Blu Ray release as well if I'm not mistaken.
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i just wanted to chime in on my dissapointment that even as of now none of the new pinoy films are released in HD.
It's such ashame! All the recent films you can tell are shot with HD cameras/equipment. Because even the DVD is authored nicely. But why do they limit it to only standard definition. The colors are vibrant and cinematography is fantastic, but the Pinoy Movie industry only wants consumers to see it in standard def crap!
WhY!?!? Sometimes DVDs are not even coded widescreen. Yea its wide, but in 4:3 with black bars on the bottom OMG! lol thats how pathetic it can sometimes be and the low of the post processing and authoriing when they release the film to DVD.
There are not enough recent pinoy action films to warrant multichannel digital surround sound (DD/DTS), but even the kilig movies can take advantage of the high quality digital surround sound. Would benefit as it being voie driven by a center channel driving the talking, and the rest to set the stage. ambient sounds, or during aprts with music. or when they are out in the beautiful environments.
it just seems like the pinoy movie industry is lazy. they bank on releasing the films in US theaters. of cours eonly pinoy populated cities. and release a crappy outdated DVD to make even more money. Where hollywood can release a bluray+dvd+ultraviolot (digital) copy of the latest blockbusters for $10. just like pinoys only thinking for short term, fast profits.
if they would release the bluray, and maybe places in the philippines try to expose or showcase HD quality to the people, more people would adopt it and see what they ar emissing that the REST OF THE WORLD has already been seeing for a DECADE+!!!!!!!!!
i swear a petition needs to be made and sent. dont the actors and actresses not want to see their work in HD? im sure they got nice quality big screen setups and surround sound. only to watch their movies go to dvd and its not even authored correctly so its a 4:3 ratio and only way to make it wide screen is to be able to have a dvd/bluray/computer able to overide ratio to make it proper aspect. an only 2.0 sound. WOW.
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FINALLY a pinoy film on BLURAY HIGH DEF!
On the Job
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screen shots from the bluray.
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