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Title: Tube equivalent
Post by: JoeyGS on Apr 07, 2012 at 01:49 PM
What's an equivalent tube for 12AZ7?

I have this in one of my preamp and will be needing a pair for replacement as the readings are now low.

Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: markcrenz on Apr 07, 2012 at 03:33 PM
What's an equivalent tube for 12AZ7?

I have this in one of my preamp and will be needing a pair for replacement as the readings are now low.


pm mo si tonyt marami daw syang tubes. he might have those or suitable replacements in his small stash, almost 1,000 pcs LANG. ;D
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Apr 07, 2012 at 05:41 PM
What's an equivalent tube for 12AZ7?

I have this in one of my preamp and will be needing a pair for replacement as the readings are now low.


You can also try John Poscablo.  ;)
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: ATJr. on Apr 07, 2012 at 06:59 PM
What's an equivalent tube for 12AZ7?

I have this in one of my preamp and will be needing a pair for replacement as the readings are now low.



this tube is like a 12at7.....you can get 6201 tubes from gerry sta. maria...+639217430558
you may also want to try 5751 available at Balikbayan handicrafts....
12az7: http://www.shinjo.info/frank/sheets/127/1/12AZ7.pdf
12at7: http://frank.pocnet.net/sheets/093/1/12AT7.pdf
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: ATJr. on Apr 07, 2012 at 07:01 PM
pm mo si tonyt marami daw syang tubes. he might have those or suitable replacements in his small stash, almost 1,000 pcs LANG. ;D

tutoo yan, but my tube collection is mostly tv power tubes, and transmitter tubes, no audiophile will be interested in my collection....
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: JoeyGS on Apr 07, 2012 at 08:28 PM
Thanks Tony, Nestor and Matk for the recommendations

Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: JoeyGS on Apr 07, 2012 at 08:55 PM
Would the 5751 be a closer substitute than the 12at7 to the 12az7?

this tube is like a 12at7.....you can get 6201 tubes from gerry sta. maria...+639217430558
you may also want to try 5751 available at Balikbayan handicrafts....
12az7: http://www.shinjo.info/frank/sheets/127/1/12AZ7.pdf
12at7: http://frank.pocnet.net/sheets/093/1/12AT7.pdf
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: rony on Apr 07, 2012 at 09:45 PM
What's an equivalent tube for 12AZ7?

I have this in one of my preamp and will be needing a pair for replacement as the readings are now low.



My phono preamp uses 12az7, Google the net and it says it can be replaced by 12au7.

btw my preamp is precision fidelity c7.  :)
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Apr 08, 2012 at 01:18 AM
Thanks Tony, Nestor and Matk for the recommendations



Ahem.  ;D
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: ATJr. on Apr 08, 2012 at 05:25 AM
Would the 5751 be a closer substitute than the 12at7 to the 12az7?


not really close, but can be done.....the 12AZ7 has higher filament current rating, i suspect higher tranconductance than the 12at7/6201........ditto with 5751....
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: edrel sison on Apr 09, 2012 at 09:59 AM
Preamp tubes:
– 12AX7A / ECC83 / ECC803 / 7025; (high gain – amplification factor = 100)
– 12AD7; (high gain – amplification factor = 100)
– 12AT7 / ECC81; (high gain – amplification factor = 70)
– 12AY7; (med gain – amplification factor = 40)
– 12AU7 / 5814 / 6189 / 5963 / ECC82; (low gain – amplification factor = 17)
12AZ7; (med gain – amplification factor = 60)
– 5751; (high gain – amplification factor = 70)
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: s2kov on Apr 10, 2012 at 08:44 PM
magkano kaya sa Balikbayan handicraft yung 76 driver tube?


this tube is like a 12at7.....you can get 6201 tubes from gerry sta. maria...+639217430558
you may also want to try 5751 available at Balikbayan handicrafts....
12az7: http://www.shinjo.info/frank/sheets/127/1/12AZ7.pdf
12at7: http://frank.pocnet.net/sheets/093/1/12AT7.pdf
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: edrel sison on Apr 10, 2012 at 08:47 PM
1500 list price i think
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: s2kov on Apr 10, 2012 at 08:52 PM
ok na? ;D

1500 list price i think
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: alexg on Apr 14, 2012 at 01:55 PM
JoeyGS,

I have a pair of sylvan 12az7 you can try if you are interested. NOS, used for less than 2 hours.
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: juanbote on Apr 21, 2012 at 03:29 PM
Meron ako sir @ 1.2k pair NOS made in east germany 12AT7 Original boxes.



john poscablo

09228277301
Title: Re: Tube equivalent - 12ax7 to 12at7
Post by: JoeyGS on May 04, 2012 at 09:40 AM
I have a phono preamp, Jolida JD9 and the tubes in the JD-9 are only for the final stage buffer, is it true that gain is not an issue in using other tubes?  I plan to tube roll and the current tubes are 12ax7.  Will a 12at7 be an acceptable substitute considering that this has a higher transconductance than the 12ax7?  What do I expect on the output when I use the 12at7 in this phono preamp?



Preamp tubes:
– 12AX7A / ECC83 / ECC803 / 7025; (high gain – amplification factor = 100)
– 12AD7; (high gain – amplification factor = 100)
– 12AT7 / ECC81; (high gain – amplification factor = 70)
– 12AY7; (med gain – amplification factor = 40)
– 12AU7 / 5814 / 6189 / 5963 / ECC82; (low gain – amplification factor = 17)
12AZ7; (med gain – amplification factor = 60)
– 5751; (high gain – amplification factor = 70)
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: ATJr. on May 04, 2012 at 10:50 AM
^you can try 12at7, gain is a bit lower but you may not notice it....since the circuit was designed and optimized i hope to use the 12ax7, the RIIA equalizations will be upset somewhat since output impedance has changed....
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: mangboy on Jan 13, 2013 at 10:46 PM
Mga Gurus ano tube equivalent ng ecc99 thanks in advance
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 13, 2013 at 10:50 PM
Mga Gurus ano tube equivalent ng ecc99 thanks in advance


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Title: Tube equivalent
Post by: mangboy on Jan 13, 2013 at 10:51 PM
Thanks sir jojo!
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 13, 2013 at 11:19 PM
Thanks sir jojo!

Welcome po sir! ;)
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: defcon3 on Jan 14, 2013 at 04:29 AM
hi chief's,

what would be the better replacement for the electron chinese el34b? just recently changed the pre amp tubes to jan philips 12at7 wc.

thanks :)
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: meat_eater on Jan 14, 2013 at 06:00 AM
hi chief's,

what would be the better replacement for the electron chinese el34b? just recently changed the pre amp tubes to jan philips 12at7 wc.

thanks :)

try 6ca7 and nos/current production el34.

brand and era of tubes are subjective by nature as far as sonics are concerned. Experiment talaga, there is no way of knowing without really trying it on sa system mo sir :) what sounds good or crap in one might not hold true for your system :)
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: ATJr. on Jan 14, 2013 at 06:47 AM
Mga Gurus ano tube equivalent ng ecc99 thanks in advance

you can try 12BH7, rewiring the filaments for 6volts, 6GU7, 6FQ7, 6CG7 can be used....
Title: Tube equivalent
Post by: mangboy on Jan 14, 2013 at 08:09 AM
you can try 12BH7, rewiring the filaments for 6volts, 6GU7, 6FQ7, 6CG7 can be used....

Thanks sir tony!
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 14, 2013 at 10:25 AM
try 6ca7 and nos/current production el34.

brand and era of tubes are subjective by nature as far as sonics are concerned. Experiment talaga, there is no way of knowing without really trying it on sa system mo sir :) what sounds good or crap in one might not hold true for your system :)



6CA7 - fatboys... I have at least 4 quads of these...
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: Cjtjader on Jan 14, 2013 at 10:33 AM

6CA7 - fatboys... I have at least 4 quads of these...
Please reserve!:)
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: ATJr. on Jan 14, 2013 at 10:37 AM

6CA7 - fatboys... I have at least 4 quads of these...

jojo, magkano? ano brand?
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 14, 2013 at 10:53 AM
Please reserve!:)


Ngek, personal stash lang brader... ;D


jojo, magkano? ano brand?

not for sale Tony, they are my insurance that I have power tubes to replace my amp until I grow old. nothing special, new prod electro harmonix
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: ATJr. on Jan 14, 2013 at 11:10 AM
ok jojo, ako rin nasa 500+ ang power tubes ko, nga lang pang TV....;D
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 14, 2013 at 11:37 AM
ok jojo, ako rin nasa 500+ ang power tubes ko, nga lang pang TV....;D


nagsisiguro ka na din pala... ;D

aside from the 4 quads of 6CA7 I also got 2 quads of Svetlana EL34 and a quad of those Melody (China?) EL34s. a bucketful of 6SN7s from coin-based to metal-based to brown-based to black-based. geez they were really super hyped!

para kahit uugod-ugod na ako may tubo pa din ang amp ko... ;D

Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: dB10 on Apr 14, 2014 at 08:12 AM
Good day bros, I would like to solicit from our gurus advise on this query. Preamp is an Audible illusions Modulus 3 designed for 6922, would I be putting it's health at risk in using 6BQ7A tubes in the line stage? I read they are not direct equivalent but can work depending on the circuit (to which I am clueless) :-(

Any tips and advise would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: tony on Apr 15, 2014 at 06:45 AM
Good day bros, I would like to solicit from our gurus advise on this query. Preamp is an Audible illusions Modulus 3 designed for 6922, would I be putting it's health at risk in using 6BQ7A tubes in the line stage? I read they are not direct equivalent but can work depending on the circuit (to which I am clueless) :-(

Any tips and advise would be greatly appreciated.

same pinout kaya pwede....the 6922 belongs to the 6dj8/ecc88/e88cc family, 6n23 is the Russian equivalent, 7dj8/pcc88 can also be used, the Russian 6n1p can also be tried but be careful since it draws more filament current, check with the manufacturer if that can be used in your amp...me nakita na akong nasunugan ng power supply traffo when he replaced all 6dj8's in his preamp will all 6n1p's...

6BQ7 and 6BK7 can also be tried....
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: dB10 on Apr 15, 2014 at 09:46 AM
...me nakita na akong nasunugan ng power supply traffo when he replaced all 6dj8's in his preamp will all 6n1p's...

6BQ7 and 6BK7 can also be tried....

That's what I was afraid of sir, does the 6BQ7 draw more current or negligible ?

I am thinking since the Modulus prefers higher versions of 6992 ie sturdy russian 6992 / 6H23N and the likes, then it must have high current in its circuit.

Since 6BQ7A is a predecessor of 6DJ8 then it must be leaner and with its use in the Modulus it will just have a shorter life span and not get the Modulus in trouble....sorry noob knowledge and observations lang po :-) 


Thank you master Tony for taking your time to respond to my query, salamat po.
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: tony on Apr 15, 2014 at 10:43 AM
of all those tubes mentioned, only the 6N1p have higher filament current demands about 2 to 1 ....
http://tdsl.duncanamps.com/show.php?des=6922
http://www.radiotechnika.hu/images/6N1P.pdf
so unless you are sure that your power traffo can take the added load, don't....;)
stay away from the 6N1P unless the manufacturer of your preamp can confirm it is okey to use...
so all the others are ok to use....
you can even try the 6CG7/6FQ7 in there...if you can find the 6KN8, or the Japanese 6R-RH8, you can try those as well...Gerry Sta Maria(523-7551) has some 6R-RH2 and you can ask him for a demo....:)
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: dB10 on Apr 15, 2014 at 11:09 AM
Thanks master Tony, I will proceed as advised :-)
Title: Re: Tube equivalent
Post by: tony on Jun 15, 2014 at 06:53 PM
any updates?