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Title: Wireless DAC link
Post by: lncc63 on Sep 12, 2012 at 06:31 AM: I just now remembered I have a Belkin K62 bluetooth receiver hooked up to my office audio setup. With few clicks, I am now playing my morning music with my laptop as my source.

The Belkin outputs L-R analog signals which I feed to one of the analog inputs of my amp. I however am used to feeding my DACs with digital signals from other music "jukebox" - a netbook dedicated to the audio setup. Having my music on my laptop which I take everywhere can be neat so I am wondering if there is some way to wirelessly feed my DAC(s).

Recommendations please.
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: Stagea on Sep 12, 2012 at 07:14 AM: Yes, its possible.

If you're using a USB DAC that runs in bulk transfer mode, a low latency wireless USB hub may be your answer. Isochronous USB devices may not work very well with most wireless adapters. There are also other USB extension technologies, if you want to explore them (most are bandwidth-limited, however).

If you're using an SPDIF DAC, check out the Audioengine D2 (or other similar wireless spdif products).
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: lncc63 on Sep 12, 2012 at 07:51 AM: Hi Bro. Actually, I'm using the Musiland Monitor 03 US :). I've other DACs but this is the mainstay which I want to feed wirelessly. Do you have a specific model in mind? Where can I get one?
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: Stagea on Sep 12, 2012 at 10:30 AM: There are a lot of wireless hubs in Amazon, but they generally don't offer a very reliable connection for audio as latency and bandwidth often suffers (especially in electrically noisy environments and/or challenging spans). CD quality probably won't be a problem (some can even get 96/24 or higher to work with certain devices and short spans), but I won't recommend this option unless you want to experiment. You may not be able to successfully run WASAPI Event Mode in such a connection, and you may have to max out the data buffer.

There are also routers with USB sharing, but I've yet to see these work for audio (benches seem to tell that they're even slower).
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: Stagea on Sep 12, 2012 at 10:31 AM: A wireless music streamer may also be a convenient solution for your needs.
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: ♡ lvcdg23™ ✌ on Sep 12, 2012 at 11:09 AM: Quote from: Stagea on Sep 12, 2012 at 10:31 AM
A wireless music streamer may also be a convenient solution for your needs.

+1

I tried the Cambridge Audio NP30 of Jason aka courage.
I was able to play FLAC files from my android phone to NP30 through a wifi server...
Audio controls is also through my android phone :)

You may also consider the NAD wireless DAC but it only supports 16bit/44KHz files

(http://audiofi.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/nadusbdac-e1338625329352.jpeg)
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: Stagea on Sep 14, 2012 at 08:36 AM: Quote from: lncc63 on Sep 12, 2012 at 07:51 AM
Hi Bro. Actually, I'm using the Musiland Monitor 03 US :). I've other DACs but this is the mainstay which I want to feed wirelessly. Do you have a specific model in mind? Where can I get one?

Have you considered an active USB extension (repeater cable), by the way?
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: lncc63 on Sep 14, 2012 at 08:17 PM: I'd really prefer a wireless solution.
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: peter61376 on Sep 14, 2012 at 08:35 PM: Bro. Use an airport express connected to your dac and you can send music files through wifi. If you dont want to use itunes you need to download a program called airfoil it can make any program airplay compatible. But im not sure if the new airport express could send files higher than 16/44. HTH O0
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: lncc63 on Sep 14, 2012 at 08:55 PM: Quote from: peter61376 on Sep 14, 2012 at 08:35 PM
Bro. Use an airport express connected to your dac and you can send music files through wifi. If you dont want to use itunes you need to download a program called airfoil it can make any program airplay compatible. But im not sure if the new airport express could send files higher than 16/44. HTH O0

Thanks for the suggestion Bro but I've not been a user of Apple products since they abandoned the Apple II community.
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: Courage on Sep 14, 2012 at 09:04 PM: Quote from: lncc63 on Sep 14, 2012 at 08:55 PM
Thanks for the suggestion Bro but I've not been a user of Apple products since they abandoned the Apple II community.

Parang ganito ba kelangan mo?

(http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/images/4/2007/09/D-Link_Wireless_USB_Hub.jpg)

Yung dongle sa laptop, tapos yung Cable papunta dun sa DAC dun sa USB hub nakakabit?
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: lncc63 on Sep 14, 2012 at 09:15 PM: Baka pwede yan ah. Is that available locally?
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: Stagea on Sep 15, 2012 at 03:14 AM: Quote from: lncc63 on Sep 14, 2012 at 09:15 PM
Baka pwede yan ah. Is that available locally?

That's a wireless USB hub. Worth a try kung gusto mo talaga wireless. Take note that the range and latency numbers aren't spectacular. Kung across a small room lang baka kaya.
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: Stagea on Sep 15, 2012 at 03:16 AM: Quote from: peter61376 on Sep 14, 2012 at 08:35 PM
Bro. Use an airport express connected to your dac and you can send music files through wifi. If you dont want to use itunes you need to download a program called airfoil it can make any program airplay compatible. But im not sure if the new airport express could send files higher than 16/44. HTH O0

USB DAC ata gamit nya, so the airport express won't work. SPDIF out lang kasi yung digital audio connection ng Airport Express.
Title: Wireless DAC link
Post by: peter61376 on Sep 15, 2012 at 08:57 AM: Usb dac nga pala. Hmmm interesting. Bro let us know how it goes.
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: lncc63 on Sep 15, 2012 at 06:18 PM: Those Network USB servers are interesting. One thought is to use them for network storage using a multi-bay HDD enclosure with a USB interface possibly providing a "Greener" solution for a SOHO NAS capability.

The ones I've been able to find do support USB speakers but I wonder if a device like my Musiland Monitor 03 US would be recognized as such. The Musiland Monitor 03 US has a special device driver so it may not be recognized by the hub or be presented on the network as the device it should be.

I should probably look for a more dedicated solution. Something like a network bridge that would just moves signals straight across empty space.

Another solution just to meet my laziness would be to have that Windows Music Jukebox discussed in another thread and then just do a remote desktop to it from my desk 4-5 meters away ;D.
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: lncc63 on Sep 17, 2012 at 06:33 PM: Solution is needed sooner than I thought. For some reason the Belkin Bluetooth link was flaky this afternoon.
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: Courage on Sep 17, 2012 at 07:01 PM: Quote from: lncc63 on Sep 17, 2012 at 06:33 PM
Solution is needed sooner than I thought. For some reason the Belkin Bluetooth link was flaky this afternoon.

Get the Cambridge Audio NP30. You can use your Laptop to push Audio files there via Jrivers or foobar. You can also remote the NP30 via Tablet or IPAD. You can connect your Musiland DAC to the NP30 or use it's internal DAC..

Medyo mahal nga lang ang NP30.. But it's very good and capable player of lossless files upto 24/96 resolution...

You can visit my place if you want to check it out bro before buying.. ;)
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: lncc63 on Sep 17, 2012 at 07:06 PM: Thanks Bro. I might just take you up on it. Please PM how much it cost and where I can get it just in case I can afford it ::)
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: Courage on Sep 17, 2012 at 07:53 PM: Quote from: lncc63 on Sep 17, 2012 at 07:06 PM
Thanks Bro. I might just take you up on it. Please PM how much it cost and where I can get it just in case I can afford it ::)

Sent you a PM bro..
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: lncc63 on Sep 17, 2012 at 08:08 PM: Thanks Bro but a bit too much for my civil servant salary ... hopefully when I get back to the private sector.
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: lncc63 on Sep 19, 2012 at 06:16 AM: Quote from: Courage on Sep 17, 2012 at 07:01 PM
Get the Cambridge Audio NP30. You can use your Laptop to push Audio files there via Jrivers or foobar. You can also remote the NP30 via Tablet or IPAD. You can connect your Musiland DAC to the NP30 or use it's internal DAC..

It turns out it's a lot more than just a wireless link.

(http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/media/20110614_092657_np30-header.jpg)

Interesting ... but ... "(Ethernet connection required for 24-bit files)" (http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/specifications.php?PID=604&Title=Specifications). Am I reading this right that it will not play 24 bit files over a Wi-Fi connection?
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: Courage on Sep 19, 2012 at 06:49 AM: Quote from: lncc63 on Sep 19, 2012 at 06:16 AM
It turns out it's a lot more than just a wireless link.

(http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/media/20110614_092657_np30-header.jpg)

Interesting ... but ... "(Ethernet connection required for 24-bit files)" (http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/specifications.php?PID=604&Title=Specifications). Am I reading this right that it will not play 24 bit files over a Wi-Fi connection?

Base on my experience with the unit, when using it's wireless function... Flaky mag play ang wav files na 24/96... Pag Flac na 24/96 ok sya...

Pag connected via ethernet wala problem kahit ano..
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: lncc63 on Sep 19, 2012 at 05:33 PM: Let me just make sure: it will receive a 24/96 stream over the wireless link? I have to ask since the specs say "ethernet required ...". If yes, then I'd be very interested since I can already notice the difference between playing through the office setup and the HT setup at home.
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: Courage on Sep 19, 2012 at 05:41 PM: Quote from: lncc63 on Sep 19, 2012 at 05:33 PM
Let me just make sure: it will receive a 24/96 stream over the wireless link? I have to ask since the specs say "ethernet required ...". If yes, then I'd be very interested since I can already notice the difference between playing through the office setup and the HT setup at home.

24/96 FLACS yes
24/96 WAV - Flaky.. It stops and go

Another thing, my wireless is N nga pala and my laptop is N so it's faster.. The reason they dont recommend wifi is because of poor speed and poor signal kung malayo ka sa wifi router.. In my case magkatabi yung NP30 at nasa baba lang nung rack yung router...

Pag WAV lang na 24/96 ako nagkaka problem...

I have a collection of 24/96 Flacs and they play fine in wireless..

Punta ka sa bahay bring your collection of 96khz para ma test mo for sure...
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: Stagea on Sep 21, 2012 at 03:33 PM: Quote from: Courage on Sep 17, 2012 at 07:01 PM
Get the Cambridge Audio NP30. You can use your Laptop to push Audio files there via Jrivers or foobar. You can also remote the NP30 via Tablet or IPAD. You can connect your Musiland DAC to the NP30 or use it's internal DAC..

I don't think the Monitor 03US would work with it. Though yes, he can use the internal DAC.
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: Courage on Sep 21, 2012 at 05:39 PM: Quote from: Stagea on Sep 21, 2012 at 03:33 PM
I don't think the Monitor 03US would work with it. Though yes, he can use the internal DAC.

Wala bang SPDIF in ang 03US? Bat parang meron sa pic sa net?
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: robot.sonic on Sep 21, 2012 at 06:23 PM: SPIDF out yung sa musiland. USB lang talaga ang input.
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: Courage on Sep 21, 2012 at 07:05 PM: Quote from: robot.sonic on Sep 21, 2012 at 06:23 PM
SPIDF out yung sa musiland. USB lang talaga ang input.

Ahhh ok.. so pang PC lang talaga sya...
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: Audio Excellence on Oct 04, 2012 at 10:33 PM: Check out the new NuForce Air DAC, wireless DAC system. Comes with a simple transmitter and receiver. Its plug and play. No need for a wifi router.

The whole system cost only P8,500.

check out this link for details.

http://www.nuforce.com/hp/products/airdac-tx/index.php
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: lncc63 on Oct 06, 2012 at 02:34 AM: Quote from: Audio Excellence on Oct 04, 2012 at 10:33 PM
Check out the new NuForce Air DAC, wireless DAC system. Comes with a simple transmitter and receiver. Its plug and play. No need for a wifi router.

The whole system cost only P8,500.

check out this link for details.

http://www.nuforce.com/hp/products/airdac-tx/index.php

Thanks but I'm looking for a generic way to connect my PC to my DAC.
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: Sanjay on Oct 07, 2012 at 02:19 PM: Then check out the nuForce uDac 2, its a great sounding usb small size DAC for less then P6,000.
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: wapski on Jan 20, 2013 at 09:22 AM: Baka puwede ito sa setup mo?

TosBlue II Bluetooth Transmitter

(http://www.telme2.com/webshop/img/p/6/7/67-thickbox_default.jpg)

Product Link
http://www.telme2.com/webshop/index.php?id_product=8&controller=product (http://www.telme2.com/webshop/index.php?id_product=8&controller=product)

Audio Input:
- 3.5 mm jack
- Toslink / Optical Link

Audio Output nya is Bluetooth so puwede na sya i-pair sa ibang Bluetooth Headset / Speakers

Ok din sya ipartner sa BT3030 (Bluetooth Receiver) ng Jabra then use it to connect to different speakers

Power source nya is USB na puwede ipartner sa Power Bank or puwede din straight connect sa USB ng HDTV..
Title: Re: Wireless DAC link
Post by: wapski on Jan 20, 2013 at 10:39 AM: In case you are interested I bought extra units and i just want to split the cost of shipment so I'm selling it without profit for 3K..

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