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Title: Bose Speakers
Post by: jackryan on Nov 19, 2001 at 08:51 AM
Hi there !

Is anyone using this set at the moment --- Bose Lifestyle 15 ???

Any feedbacks? Worth the price or any comparable brand and model?

Thanks,
- jackryan  8)
Title: Re: Bose Lifestyle 15
Post by: levi on Nov 19, 2001 at 10:01 AM
Before choosing that brand, I suggest you look around first.Try to compare and listen to other brand and models. For me its so expensive and I dont like the sound. With that amount you can also get other speakers. Try also audioreview.com and read the reviews of the owners, at least you get different perspectives. This is only my opinion, you might find it the best sounding speaker for you, then by all means, buy it.
Title: Re: Bose Lifestyle 15
Post by: nerveblocker on Nov 19, 2001 at 05:39 PM
jackryan- do you want a speaker that looks and sound the same or even better than the Bose Lifestyle 15?  I can have it done for you for a (ehem) cheaper price.  If you went to the marathon, I had a sample of a Bose 901 clone there wailing!  Just PM me or something and we can talk about it. ;D
Title: Re: Bose Lifestyle 15
Post by: jackryan on Nov 21, 2001 at 07:47 AM
:o wow, interested to know about it.

can you give me more insights on costing and everything?

i am impressed with the sound reproduction for the size of the thing
Title: Re: Bose Lifestyle 15
Post by: nerveblocker on Nov 21, 2001 at 08:13 AM
jackryan- you can also inquire about denmark made drivers from levi (remember him saying 6k for the whole set) and we can make the speaker box for you. just show me the design of the speaker you wanted either a picture or the actual thing and we can talk about it.  
Title: Re: Bose Lifestyle 15
Post by: levi on Nov 21, 2001 at 09:41 AM
Nirvblakr,

  You can call my friend thru 4117119 (landline) and look for Francis Tan or Abbey. They can explain further.
Title: Re: Bose Lifestyle 15
Post by: nerveblocker on Nov 21, 2001 at 10:07 AM
Thanks levi and congrats!  ;) Can't say your greeting to my brother at the moment coz his cable internet is down.  Di ata nakabayad! ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Bose Lifestyle 15
Post by: Eric_Samonte (Guest) on Nov 21, 2001 at 06:55 PM
 I had the Bose Lifestyle 12 series years ago. Then in a store that sells spkrs, I attempted to "upgrade" them. He then politely told me the actual audiophile consensus on Bose. "No highs, no lows, by Bose". He then demoed a Boston Acoustics set for me alongside the Bose. The former was far more better, like day and night (and I'm not exaggerating). And the Bose cost 3 times more.
 Good thing I sold that thing for a small profit even. "The moral of the lesson?" Audition other spkrs and hear for urself. I was taken by the great marketing of Bose and I have vowed to educate others on this. Sometimes, I even find myself talking to others looking at Bose at shops trying to veer them away.
Title: Re: Bose Lifestyle 15
Post by: bently on Dec 11, 2001 at 10:35 AM
found an interesting thread in dvdtalk about bose speakers

heres the link
POLL: Are BOSE speakers good or bad?
(http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=136643&highlight=speakers)

happy reading :D
bently
Title: Re: Bose Lifestyle 15
Post by: bently on Dec 11, 2001 at 10:38 AM
heres another nice link about the bose system

BOSE:BETTER PROFIT MARGINS THROUGH SHORTCUTS (http://www.geocities.com/trustnoho/boseframes.html)
Title: Re: Bose Lifestyle 15
Post by: technogeek on Dec 13, 2001 at 03:40 AM
I must have been one of the first users of Bose Acoustimas speakers in the country. Bought it immediately in Hongkong as it was just introduced.
I loved it for a while, it was CUTE! Tiny speakers. And a NOVELTY, separate bass module.
Until I heard REAL speakers.
If this is your first set, and you like "unusual" designs, ok. But if you want real good sounds and you have money ( as what you would pay for the overpriced Bose systems) go to the Audio Stores that sell the good old box speakers made by famous tried brands, and there are many of them that will beat Bose. Audition them.
Read also extensively the reviews as suggested by Bently.
I still have my Bose Acoustimas, gave it to my son for his MP3 listening. At least matibay naman siya.
Title: Re: Bose Lifestyle 15
Post by: rtsy on Dec 14, 2001 at 12:55 AM
jackryan,

go around and look for speakers and receivers within the Bose' price range.  then, play your favorite music and movies through both systems then decide for yourself.  if you give us the 15's price, we can perhaps suggest alternative set-ups.  this would settle the question on which sounds better.  i would wager that for the same money, it won't be difficult to put together a set-up that beats Bose sound quality.

you may have other considerations though.  is size of the speakers important to you?  i'd like a pair of Dynaudio Evidence or Avant Garde in my room but I doubt if I could even erect those monsters upright in my room.  :)  even if size is of prime importance to you though, similarly-sized speakers like the Boston Acoustics mentioned earlier and even Energy Take 5 or Encore are likely to give better sound.

another possible consideration is the wow factor of a high tech product.  if you want high tech, check out the mission x-space system.  it uses NXT flat panel speaker technology so you get big sound out of speakers the size of the cover of a lady's shoe box.

if you want to impress people who SEE your speakers, bose will do a fine job among non-enthusiasts (which are the majority BTW).  but if you want to impress people who HEAR your speakers, you'll likely be more successful using other (even cheaper) brands.

let us know how your earch goes.

Title: Re: Bose Lifestyle 15
Post by: levi on Dec 14, 2001 at 05:32 AM
I think lifestyle 15 is around 59T.
Title: Re: Bose Lifestyle 15
Post by: alfred on Dec 17, 2001 at 04:52 AM
Mirage AVS500 4 identical (AVS100) 100w mini
speakers and one center (AVS200) 100w .......P17,500

Yamaha YST-SW160 150w powered subwoofer...... 13,000

Yamaha RXV100  6.1 DTS/DD 100w/ch             30,500        

                                    total   P61,000

;)
Title: Re:Bose Lifestyle 15
Post by: levi on Apr 05, 2002 at 08:27 PM
Repost from another thread


my father is thinking of buying one... we are now looking at the Bose Accoustimas 6... ok ba ito?? BTW we already have a DVD player(533k) but we still dont have a receiver... may alam ba kayo na setup with Receiver and Surround sound speakers na for US$600 dollars?
Title: Re:Bose Lifestyle 15
Post by: kyle618 on Apr 05, 2002 at 11:49 PM
BUMP...  ;D
Title: Re:Bose Lifestyle 15
Post by: maximusmeridius on Apr 07, 2002 at 12:18 PM
In my opinion, BOSE is more of a MARKETING COMPANY than a SPEAKER manufacturer!!!!!
Title: Re:Bose Lifestyle 15
Post by: muscleboy on Apr 18, 2002 at 05:46 PM
50% of Bose's budget goes to marketing.  That's why you see and hear the brand most of the time.  

I nearly bought an Acoustimass 5 before but luckily I searched around the net first and did some price and sound comparisons with other brands first.

I ended up buying better speakers and equipment.  As with other things, do research, ask experts, compare, then decide which to buy.
Title: Re:Bose Lifestyle 15
Post by: muscleboy on Apr 18, 2002 at 05:55 PM
BTW, the other week (just out of curiosity) I asked for a demo of the Bose Wave radio (Radio/CD player worth around P 25k) and boy was I so dissapointed with the sound!!!

Connect a Sony discman (P 5k) to my Boston Acoustics 3 pc. PC speakers (P 3.5 k) and you'll hear much, much bigger and better sound...

;D
Title: Re:Bose Lifestyle 15
Post by: cybermms on Apr 18, 2002 at 09:52 PM
Last month, I had a caller from the uplands who purchased the latest Bose Lifestyle (20 or 25?) at over P100k. He heard his neighbor's HTP (Onkyo 484 + Pioneer DV-535k+2nd hand Acoustic Researc for his front + JBL's N-Center and matching rears + DQ 12 SW). It cost his neigbor less than P60k. He felt that his neighbor's system sounds better than his Bose.

Above is a fact not fiction.

cybermms

Hi there !

Is anyone using this set at the moment --- Bose Lifestyle 15 ???

Any feedbacks? Worth the price or any comparable brand and model?

Thanks,
- jackryan  8)
Title: Re:Bose Lifestyle 15
Post by: levi on Jul 19, 2002 at 11:17 PM
bump
Title: Re:Bose Lifestyle 15
Post by: Sen.Almondski on Jul 20, 2002 at 04:32 PM

bump


Hi Levi,

Just small suggestion, how about merging the new topic " Bose Speakers? " to the old existing  topic " Bose Lifestyle 15" or something like  " Bose Lifestyle 15/  All Bose Speakers? ", so the new comer will not confuse that certain topic is not for Lifestyle 15 only but for all Bose speakers. Thanks!

:) almondski
Title: Re:Bose Lifestyle 15
Post by: jackryan on Jul 20, 2002 at 04:34 PM
Hi Mod Levi,

I agree with Almondski's suggestion...

-jackryan 8)
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: levi on Jul 21, 2002 at 02:49 AM
Guys,

    Thanks for the heads up. I edited the title.


Levi
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: bently on Sep 25, 2002 at 12:15 AM
^bump for phantom :)
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: young_hov on Sep 25, 2002 at 10:27 AM
One has to remember that with Bose  (especially the 901's), there are 2 critical factors to sound quality.

1) Speaker placement - Bose placed a guide to positioning/aiming the speakers because of its direct reflecting (?) whatever technology
2) Equalizer - without the equalizer, the speakers sound like crap

Having said this, I must say that for the price, Bose is simply not worth it.  There are so many other brands and models to choose from for significantly lower prices that will blow the bejeezus out of Bose.  To the company's credit though, they make average speakers and market them superbly.

Hmmm, I wonder if someone will ever buy my Bose 901 Series IV.  Arrgggh!  ;D
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: madrigal on Sep 26, 2002 at 07:44 AM
    Bose?   Hay naku.  used to own that acoustimass 10 for my HT  but sold it due to
this Bose thread in pinoydvd.     After surfing, I realized that the sound is really not that
great compared to other bigger speakers or comparable speakers like energy take 5 or paradigm.
    Nagpalugi na ako ng malaki just to dispose of it.  Got a wharfedale diamond cinema instead. may sukli
pa for dvd movies.  
    If you are not really particular about  sound or do not really listen to
music in your HT set up then the bose is great.  
     The bose brand is OK as I know of since their commercial speakers in dance clubs sound
ok to me compared to those JBL's, community, ev, etc...
     Sa home speakers, I think other hi fi brands are really better.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: RMN on Sep 29, 2002 at 11:03 AM
I was in a store that was showing Episode II with a acoustimass set-up. The sound was neither great nor shabby.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: lazeeboy on Oct 02, 2002 at 11:27 PM
i'm currently using bose 301 series IV as fronts and vcs-10 as my center speaker.  had to do a lot of tweaking w/ my receiver(yamaha rx-v430) before i could get a decent output, particularly the center.  :-[

too bad i discovered this forum only after buying those speakers. oh well...
Title: Bass not very noticeable?
Post by: sgc_wdi on Oct 05, 2002 at 08:09 PM
Hi, can anyone help me figure out why my bass is not very noticeable when watching anything, even DVD movies? I'm using Bose Acoustimass 10 series II, and my AV receiver is Yamaha.

Anyway, on most scenes when you expect big thumps on bass, it seems like it's not very noticeable... I have my subwoofer placed near a wall to increase the bass, but I don't think it's enough. Any tips on this?
Title: Re:Bass not very noticeable?
Post by: listener on Oct 05, 2002 at 08:42 PM
sgc_wdi

Thats because the "sub" in your acoustimass set up isnt a true "subwoofer" performance wise.  Home Theater DVD movies require a set up with maximum punch starting around 80Hz down to 20Hz or even lower if possible.  The sub in your acoustimass only goes down to around 90Hz then output sharply decreases as the frequency goes lower. You cannot expect the 6.5 inch drivers to put out a respectable sub 80Hz output.

Advise? get a true Home Theater subwoofer to augment your acoustimass set up. Im quite sure that your A/V receiver has a usable sub out so adding an additional subwoofer wont be a problem. there are tons of subwoofers out there that can satisfy your need. Prices of good subwoofers will start from Php7.5T all the way to Php100T+.  Check out the other threads about subwoofers. Im sure you will get an idea or two of what you will do next.
Title: Re:Bass not very noticeable?
Post by: sgc_wdi on Oct 05, 2002 at 08:57 PM
thanks listener, so I guess there's no other solution than to change my subwoofer then... too bad...  :(
Title: Re:Bass not very noticeable?
Post by: listener on Oct 05, 2002 at 10:35 PM
sgc_wdi

yup. adding a true subwoofer would definitely change the low end respose.  good luck
Title: Re:Bass not very noticeable?
Post by: greatbop on Oct 06, 2002 at 01:23 AM
not CHANGE your Subwoofer. ADD another one is what they're saying. Most a/v receiver's got 2 coax outs for LFEs.... (aka subwoofer plugs)..

Title: Re:Bass not very noticeable?
Post by: listener on Oct 06, 2002 at 09:32 AM
sgc_wdi

Greatbop is correct. ADD not CHANGE. You will still need to use the bass module in your acoustimass set up aside from augmenting it with a subwoofer. The bass module pumps out frequencies to around 150Hz in order to mesh well with the sattelites. If you plan to ditch the bass module and use the subwoofer only with the sattelites then you will have a deep sonic hole between the frequencies 90Hz and 200Hz.
Title: Re:Bass not very noticeable?
Post by: sgc_wdi on Oct 06, 2002 at 08:27 PM
ic, thanks guys, that clears things out... so what's a recommended subwoofer that's not too expensive but a good performer? Something better than my existing Bose sub...
Title: Re:Bass not very noticeable?
Post by: listener on Oct 06, 2002 at 11:35 PM
sgc_wdi

check out the thread "low budget subwoofers". There you will sure find what you are lookin for.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: greatbop on Oct 07, 2002 at 12:38 AM
well if you could afford to pay for that bose system... go check out the over 10K category..

velodyne vht 1012 (10") for 23k at the home theater. check around for a better price. especially if you got a room bigger than 8 x 6 feet.

Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Oct 07, 2002 at 10:49 AM
thanks, will check those threads then...
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: jackryan on Oct 07, 2002 at 04:41 PM
I agree with the advice.

In my case, I am using the AC3 as my rear.

I have a separate subwoofer... at one time 3 of them.. but now just down to 2 separate of the AC3's bass unit.

Hmm.... anyone interested in an VCS-10 center speaker? p;-)

-jackryan 8)
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Oct 10, 2002 at 09:59 AM
I finally got the subwoofer to work properly, all the time my setting was incorrect, which is why the bass was a little weak... anyway, I found out that for Bose Acoustimass, bass settings should be set to "none" or "main", not on "subwoofer"....  :)
Title: BOSE accoustimass am10
Post by: betong77 on Oct 10, 2002 at 06:53 PM
just wanted some inputs regarding bose am10 series3 .If it's good for home theater and planning to buy a receiver my budyet from 20k to 25k ....

can anybody give me any input or feedback regarding this brand..

thank's
betong77
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: Aylwin on Oct 10, 2002 at 07:46 PM
When you say bass settings should be set to "none" or "main" do you mean on the reveiver end?  If yes, then I'm a bit confused.  To my understanding, you would actually enable the subwoofer on the receiver side to be able to make use of the LFE preout.  Your Acoustimass module is connected to the receiver's LFE preout, right?
Title: Re:BOSE accoustimass am10
Post by: sgc_wdi on Oct 10, 2002 at 09:21 PM
just wanted some inputs regarding bose am10 series3 .If it's good for home theater and planning to buy a receiver my budyet from 20k to 25k ....

can anybody give me any input or feedback regarding this brand..

thank's
betong77

betong,

I think there are better speakers out there, I'm not really sure. I just had my Bose Acoustimass 10 series II for years now, my father bought it a few years back and I sticked with it, although I'm quite satisfied with the quality of sound it produces...
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Oct 10, 2002 at 09:34 PM
When you say bass settings should be set to "none" or "main" do you mean on the reveiver end?  If yes, then I'm a bit confused.  To my understanding, you would actually enable the subwoofer on the receiver side to be able to make use of the LFE preout.  Your Acoustimass module is connected to the receiver's LFE preout, right?

Aylwin, I'm quite confused now too... I just tried running Avia, and found out that whatever the setting is (main, subwoofer, both), it's basically the same...

I am currently using "both" right now, although the manual suggested that for subs, you have to choose "none"... I don't really know why, but I think it has to do with the Bose Acoustimass 10 series II having no connection for the bass to the pre-out of receivers...

basically all speakers (surround LR, Front LR, center) are connected to the subwoofer, and the sub has another set of wires for these speakers to connect to the AV receiver, so there's no connection for the subwoofer itself...

in any case, I tried changing the base setting on the Pioneer DV-S733A player to "none" and "on" and the bass is still the same...

so I don't really know if my settings are correct now, but so far the sounds produced while testing with Avia sounds appropriate...
Title: Re:BOSE accoustimass am10
Post by: betong77 on Oct 10, 2002 at 11:27 PM
just wanted some inputs regarding bose am10 series3 .If it's good for home theater and planning to buy a receiver my budyet from 20k to 25k ....

can anybody give me any input or feedback regarding this brand..

thank's
betong77

betong,

I think there are better speakers out there, I'm not really sure. I just had my Bose Acoustimass 10 series II for years now, my father bought it a few years back and I sticked with it, although I'm quite satisfied with the quality of sound it produces...


thanks bro for the input hope somebody cud give me better brands of home theater speaker that is affordable !!!
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: Aylwin on Oct 11, 2002 at 12:08 AM
sgc,

Yes, all the satellite speakers are connected to the Acoustimass module.  Then, as you mentioned, there's the set of wires going to the reveiver.  There should be wires for the front, center and surround speaker terminals.  Also, there should be an extra wire/cable with an RCA connector at the end with a cover on it.  You need to remove the cover and connect it to the subwoofer output of your receiver.

If this extra wire is missing then that's very strange since the user manual for the Acoustimass 10 Series II that I downloaded say that it does exist.

By the way, I think the difference between main subwoofer and both are:
  main - no subwoofer
  subwoofer - low frequencies (typically starting from 120Hz or 80Hz and downwards) are cut off from the main speakers and sent out the subwoofer or LFE connector at the back of the receiver.
  both - low frequencies are sent to both the main speakers and the subwoofer output.

This is why when you set it to subwoofer and there is no connection to the subwoofer connector you won't hear much bass.

Also, if you're currently using a digital connection between the DVD player and receiver then you don't have to worry about the speaker settings on the DVD player.

Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Oct 11, 2002 at 09:53 AM
aylwin, thanks...

I have checked and removed the cover, there's no extra RCA cable for the subwoofer, I think you may have downloaded the manual for the Acoustimass 10 Series III instead of II.

that's why I'm quite confused on what to use on the subwoofer settings...

main - I am again using main right now, I put in a demo disc that's like Avia, and nothing came out on bass when I set it to "both" or "subwoofer"... bass came out only on this setting

both and subwoofer - this setting basically worked with Avia, but sometimes no bass comes out on other discs, like the other disc I tried...

the thing is, when I set my subs on main, the bass is still reproduced from the subwoofer... very little from the mains... I guess the Acoustimass series is a little bit weird :) and it probably has it's own way of processing and distributing the bass to the subwoofer via the "main" setting...

oh and about my player, yes I use digital connection, so the settings on my player is basically useless huh... anyway, I'll try your tip on the DTS one, with that I need to set my player still right?
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: Aylwin on Oct 11, 2002 at 05:02 PM
sgc,
You're right.  The manual was for the Series III.  In which case, yes, your receiver needs to be set to "main".  The Acoustimass module will then be responsible for bass management.  In other words, it will "extract" the bass from the incoming speaker signals.

As for the DTS thing, yes, you need to setup your DVD player.  And also specify no subwoofer.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Oct 11, 2002 at 08:52 PM
thanks, I checked my Yamaha AV receiver, I don't think it has analog input for 5.1 channel, too bad, I guess that means I won't experience DTS till I buy a new receiver...
Title: Re:BOSE accoustimass am10
Post by: Sen.Almondski on Oct 13, 2002 at 06:07 PM

thanks bro for the input hope somebody cud give me better brands of home theater speaker that is affordable !!!

Hi betong77,

If you could find time to dig the HT forum/audio, you'll find a lot of helpful tips and discussions about good speakers that youre looking for. Here are the links for some HT speaker topics:

Mission speakers  (http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=10;action=display;threadid=4155)

B&W 600  Speakers
(http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=10;action=display;threadid=1643)

B&W 300 Series  Speakers (http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=10;action=display;threadid=1644)

 :) LtGen Almondski

Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Nov 04, 2002 at 01:30 PM
Is there a way for me to change the wires of my Bose Acoustimass 10 satellites into something that I can connect to the "analog 5.1 output" of my DVD player, which has a built in DD/DTS decoder?

My receiver doesn't have DTS decoder, but my DVD player has, so was wondering how I can connect my Bose Acoustimass to it, since the wires are the RED/BLACK split wires that you connect to the receiver. Thanks.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: greatbop on Nov 04, 2002 at 01:57 PM
I'm sorry man... Bose systems are not at all upgradeable. You're stuck with those now.

the speaker wires are attached to the jewel speakers, themselves, am I right? and they get their amplification off the acoustimas module?
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Nov 05, 2002 at 12:41 PM
I'm sorry man... Bose systems are not at all upgradeable. You're stuck with those now.

the speaker wires are attached to the jewel speakers, themselves, am I right? and they get their amplification off the acoustimas module?

the speaker wires is attached to the satellite speakers, but you can remove them actually. The wires are those red/black split type wires with the copper wire showing on tip, then you basically insert the tips on their respective slots on the satellites.

The same goes to the other side, I just insert the wires on the red/black slot on my receiver... any chance that I can make this sort of like an RCA type connector?
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: iceman90a on Nov 05, 2002 at 01:08 PM


the speaker wires is attached to the satellite speakers, but you can remove them actually. The wires are those red/black split type wires with the copper wire showing on tip, then you basically insert the tips on their respective slots on the satellites.

The same goes to the other side, I just insert the wires on the red/black slot on my receiver... any chance that I can make this sort of like an RCA type connector?

i think you can you just need to determine the polarity of the rca outputs - but wont you need amplification first? the fixed signal going out of the dvd player might not be enough to drive your speakers...
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Nov 05, 2002 at 02:57 PM
my amp doesnt have 5.1 analog input, so I was thinking of connecting the speakers directly to the player, is this possible?
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: kimera on Nov 05, 2002 at 04:14 PM
nope, well it is possible to connect your speakers straight to your  dvdplayer, but "who" will amplify the sound? so the answer is no, it wont work
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Nov 06, 2002 at 12:19 PM
I see, thanks. So I guess there's no other way to get DTS that to buy a new amp.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: greatbop on Nov 06, 2002 at 12:37 PM
umm you can just buy a new receiver, i think. and connect your dvd player to the receiver thru the optical inputs. and have the receiver send the decoded signal to the acoustimas module.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Nov 07, 2002 at 10:43 AM
oh yes, I was referring to buying a new receiver... sorry my mistake :)
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: dibidibidi on Nov 07, 2002 at 05:15 PM
I still have a pair of ts-5 table top stands for the AM5ii... I wonder if any of you wants to buy it ::) Asking for P2000 negotiable
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: phantom on Nov 07, 2002 at 10:34 PM
I still have a pair of ts-5 table top stands for the AM5ii... I wonder if any of you wants to buy it ::) Asking for P2000 negotiable

is the ts-5 compatible with the AM5 series 3 cube sats? ???

tnx,
phantom 8)

Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: dibidibidi on Nov 08, 2002 at 08:48 AM
 ::) Geez, I really am not sure. I'll check with their store if I get the chance this weekend
Title: Lifestyle speakers by bose
Post by: dr_dohh on Jan 13, 2003 at 10:36 AM
Tulong naman o! We have an old lifestyle 10 speaker system from bose, (may red outline pa around the jewel cubes) and it comes with an acoustimass module. We used a pretty old yamaha reciever with it. Problem is, I feel that the Lows aren't loud and powerful enough. nado-dominate na ng highs. Naka fiber optic cable na ko sa dvd and lahat. Lahat na ginawa ko para lang mag thump yung bass, like highest LFE, Highest sub volume, and inalis ko pa yung tone bypass.

A couple of days ago, I checked the cables connected to the reciever from  the speakers. It turns out that Walang out sa subwoofer yung speakers, but lahat ng jewel cube speakers kinabit muna sa acoustimass module, (which also doubles as the system's subwoofer) then to the reciever. so the speakers are hooked up to the acoustimass module , instead of it being directly connected to the reciever.

My question is, should I rewire the speakers so that it's directly connected to the reciever or should I see if I could add another connection to the acoustimass module so that it could produce better sounding lows? I think that the subs could definitely produce a better sound, since they advertised the speakers to be compatible with recievers from 10 to 200 watts. Mine's only at around a hundred or something. Obviously, I'm no expert at speaker systems, but i need at least an objective. Thanks!

Title: Re:Lifestyle speakers by bose
Post by: jackryan on Jan 13, 2003 at 10:46 AM
why don't you just consider buying an active (powered) subwoofer... and connect it to your yamaha receiver...

your bose wirings seem to be okay... don't change it unless you risk damaging your speakers or worst, your receiver...
Title: Re:Lifestyle speakers by bose
Post by: dr_dohh on Jan 13, 2003 at 11:27 AM
so i should get another sub to go along with the acoustimass module?

Iniisip ko rin kasi baka yung reciever yung hindi magandang performance.

For example, I could barely feel the vibration when buildings exploded in Independence day (r1)

Hindi maganda yung boom sa tapak ng t-rex sa Jurassic Park

And so many other things I could mention.

Nakakainis lang, or baka kasi na-condition na ako na maganda palagi yung napapakinggan.
Title: Re:Lifestyle speakers by bose
Post by: jackryan on Jan 13, 2003 at 11:33 AM
yup, i think so.... better check subs being sold in the marketplace area...

btw, what is your yamaha receiver's model?
Title: Re:Lifestyle speakers by bose
Post by: dr_dohh on Jan 13, 2003 at 12:04 PM
don't know the exact model number, I'm still in the office. But it's pretty old, since we had that since 1998.

I can tell you some specs though: it's dts and dolby 5.1, it's around 100w, and it has around 5 inputs for video. That's all I can tell you for now.

Thanks for the advice
Title: Re:Lifestyle speakers by bose
Post by: Mo®pHeOu$ on Jan 13, 2003 at 01:23 PM
 ;D ;D ;D

Baka hindi masyadong makaya nung receiver mo speakers mo.  Kasi 100 watts is quite small I think.  Yung HT in a box ko has a capacity to produce 180 watts.  Medyo nahihinaan na ko dun sa lagay na yun.  so 100 watts is probably small.  Just my thoughts.

Hope you don't mind my comments.  

Good luck on your HT!  

thanks  ;)
Title: Re:Lifestyle speakers by bose
Post by: audio_tyro on Jan 13, 2003 at 03:04 PM
Pare,  
Pls. check your receiver settings. Are you sure you have not set your front speakers to "small" ? That usually is one reason why not much bass is going out (particularly that from your receiver, the speaker cable goes to the sub first, then to the satellites). Once the front speakers are set to "Small", minimal bass is given out, such that not even a subwoofer at the end of the line can improve your bass response.



Title: Re:Lifestyle speakers by bose
Post by: Geren on Jan 13, 2003 at 03:05 PM
I have almost the same setup, mas mababa nga lang ang specs ko. Acoustimass 5, Yamaha pro-logic Bookshelf.

At first i thought okay na ang sub ng Bose Module,  but then i got hold of a dedicated subwoofer and connected it to my wimpy receiver with a sub-out and
   :) wow iba pa rin ang dating nang may sub.
Title: Re:Lifestyle speakers by bose
Post by: dr_dohh on Jan 13, 2003 at 06:59 PM
Ok, my reciever is a Yamaha rx-v793 with a dsp. So if I put a sub to my set up, it'll boost its performance? Or is there little improvement lang?

Large na yung setting ng speakers ko sa front, and back. The SUB out uses a simple jack.

Wait, I'm not sure if my reciever is 100w. I find the whole thing loud enough, pero parang naiiwan yung bass in terms of power.
Title: Re:Lifestyle speakers by bose
Post by: Courage on Jan 13, 2003 at 07:04 PM
Bro use an active sub...sinasabi ko sa iyo..mag iimprove performance nyan...ako nga bitin ako sa isang sub thats why im useing 2 active subs..boom boom boom
Title: Re:Lifestyle speakers by bose
Post by: phantom on Jan 13, 2003 at 07:37 PM
dr_dohh,

have u tried turning up the "bass extension"? this will accentuate the bass. :)

just my half cent
phantom 8)


Title: Re:Lifestyle speakers by bose
Post by: dr_dohh on Jan 13, 2003 at 07:48 PM
Just found out that mine has 5 x 80w. That good or too weak? ANother thing - parang sabog yung bass, hindi concentrated pag walang tone bypass. maybe its the settings right? Sa music naman yung hindi maganda, but sa DVD, it's still ok, though kulang sa thump sa bass. sabog or something.

Ok, I'll consider a sub, thanks everyone!

Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: audio_tyro on Jan 14, 2003 at 08:13 AM
Just in case you want to know the best musical sub you can get around, its the REL Strata 3 subwoofer. A keeper in terms of performance and durability. It may even outlive its owner! Talk about durability. Mine is a keeper, an heirloom to be handed over to my kids (if one of them do become an audiophile someday). Most suave bass in the business, soothes your soul ! And to think that Filipinos are attuned to music. It's in our blood. So why suffer from a bad-sounding subwoofer? Life is so short. Hard-working people deserve the best!
Title: Re:Bass not very noticeable?
Post by: dr_dohh on Jan 14, 2003 at 10:25 AM
Hi, can anyone help me figure out why my bass is not very noticeable when watching anything, even DVD movies? I'm using Bose Acoustimass 10 series II, and my AV receiver is Yamaha.

Anyway, on most scenes when you expect big thumps on bass, it seems like it's not very noticeable... I have my subwoofer placed near a wall to increase the bass, but I don't think it's enough. Any tips on this?

Great, ngayon ko lang nabasa. We have the same setup, except my acoustimass is series I. Ok lang I guess, just have to live with it! Although BOSE speakers sure look nice in a room, low profile.
Title: Re:Lifestyle speakers by bose
Post by: marckd1 on Jan 14, 2003 at 12:58 PM
Ok, my reciever is a Yamaha rx-v793 with a dsp. So if I put a sub to my set up, it'll boost its performance? Or is there little improvement lang?

Large na yung setting ng speakers ko sa front, and back. The SUB out uses a simple jack.

Wait, I'm not sure if my reciever is 100w. I find the whole thing loud enough, pero parang naiiwan yung bass in terms of power.

Bro, dapat small lang yung settings mo for Your front and back speakers not LARGE.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: nerveblocker on Jan 14, 2003 at 01:22 PM
IMHO, if these bass modules don't have separate amplifiers to power them, you wouldn't really get as much bass as a 10 or 12 incher active sub.

If you can see in Bose showrooms, they show what is inside the bass module and if you notice there are only 2 5 inch sub drivers inside.  This would help in the cube speakers to add a little bass in them but if you will use it in theater, guess this would really fall short.  

A remedy to this is either:

1. get a bigger and more powerful active sub at least having a 10 inch driver,

2. Place your sytem in a smaller room with complete acoustic boards just like in Bose showrooms,

3. Have bass shakers installed in your sitting couch or chair to accentuate those vibrations from LFEs in movies.

Just my half cent ;)  
Title: Re:Lifestyle speakers by bose
Post by: dr_dohh on Jan 14, 2003 at 03:08 PM

Bro, dapat small lang yung settings mo for Your front and back speakers not LARGE.

Sabi ni audio tyro dapat daw LARGE not small. I tried both setups, to be honest, there isn't much of a difference.

NIRVBLAKR, I don't think I can set it up in another room. How much do those bass shakers cost anyway? and should I connect it to the sub output sa receiver?

Naka bass extension na ako.

My first option is to probably get a subwoofer. I use the room to listen to music as well, so mas sulit.

BTW, Hindi ko magamit yung tuner function nito! I need that antenna thing, but hindi ko makabit dati e, I don't know why.

I just talked to another guy with the same setup, except that he has a better YAMAHA receiver. Sabi nga nya na gumanda ang performance by adding a sub. Question is: Anong sub yung puwede!
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: audio_tyro on Jan 14, 2003 at 04:23 PM
Yes LARGE if your bass module is ultimately connected to the Front speaker outputs. In a sub-satellite combo,  you connect both the sub and front speakers to the Front speaker outputs of your receiver. Only the sub crossover will divide where the frequencies are supposed to go (the lows are for the sub, and mid-his are for the fronts). If you won't put it in LARGE, then both your sub and your front won't have that much bass. Makes sense. But I wonder why there wasn't that much difference. Maybe because you used Line Level connection (using the subwoofer out to feed your Bose bass module. Maybe you should opt for speaker level (sub-satellite combo I'm talking above).

Kung ayaw pa rin, then maybe indeed you need a dedicated active subwoofer. Sorry, honestly I dislike Bose; hence I don't have that indepth knowledge on its connectivity. It's a fake subwoofer kasi eh. Bass module talaga, at hindi nga naman subwoofer. There goes the difference.

May we know how much is your budget if you'd ever add a true subwoofer?
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: caycski on Jan 14, 2003 at 04:33 PM
dr_dohh,

an entry level of active sub will cost you around 6,500 to 7,500 (Dynaquest). if you have a bigger budget, go for Ganz Klar (around 8,000)...more budget, go for the entry level of velodyne (around 24,000+), meron ding velodyne na ang tag price is around 50T+.

there you go...one thing i can say is it's worth it to have an active sub for your HT. Malaki ang igaganda ng sound ng system mo. Goodluck!

Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: D75C on Jan 14, 2003 at 04:38 PM
I agree, the Bose Bass Module is not a true subwoofer. I admit that they are cute expensive looking cubes but they're just that, cute and expensive.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: dr_dohh on Jan 14, 2003 at 07:41 PM
I guess they never meant the acoustimass module to be a sub anyway. The whole thing's just a low profile loudspeaker, parang pang mini-compo. But, I don't mind, really, sana lang na-discover ko yun years ago!

I'll keep those brands in mind, thanks! Budget? Wala namang budget pa, I'm just out to check out the available ones on the market.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: dibidibidi on Jan 15, 2003 at 11:02 AM
FOR SALE: TS-5 Bose Acoustimass AM5 series II table top speaker stands. P1800 like new with box  8)
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Jan 15, 2003 at 12:57 PM
dr_dohh,

I had the same problem before with my acoustimass, the solution was to use Avia Disc. Using Avia's subwoofer test, I was able to choose the right settings for my acoustimass 10's subwoofer. I think it came out LARGE on fronts, SMALL on rear, and BOTH on subwoofer, can't remember correctly, but now the sub is pretty much working out.

Although of course, as they say, it's not a true sub, I found it to be performing ok for now.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: dr_dohh on Jan 15, 2003 at 01:29 PM
sgc_wdi,

Sakin kasi sabog if its too loud, overpowered by the volume of the high range sounds. Ganun rin yung pinaka ok na setup para sa akin, but I tried tweaking things a bit to spice things up.

Kulang pa rin e! Hindi pantay or something.

I'm assuming pareho tayo totally ng setup. Did you get it in BOSE? Sakin kasi sa AMBASSADOR SHANG i think.

dibidibidi,

Just bought some floor stands, wala kasing table don e. Although I do know that they're compatible with all of the acoustimass series jewel cubes.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Jan 16, 2003 at 12:52 PM
dr dohh,

matagal ko na nabili yung bose, actually dad ko yung bumili... but in any case, I tried setting it up manually before, pinapakinggan ko lang and changing settings with my receiver, and I thought yun na talaga yung best settings, until nakakuha ako ng Avia na disc.

I think what Avia does is not just run the subwoofer and you tweak the settings, I don't know exactly how to explain it, but parang na iisolate niya yung subwoofer from the mains, so pag nakuha mo yung right settings using Avia, that would be the best setting for your subwoofer and speakers...

When I played some movies, yung sub ko di gumagana or sobrang hina on some scenes, after running Avia, ok na. Although I agree with you, medyo boomy talaga yung subwoofer ng Bose, recommended pa rin kumuha ng isa pang sub, which is what I plan to do.

Ano bang sub balak mong bilhin? and how much kuha mo sa stands mo? 5t for a pair pa rin ba?
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: dr_dohh on Jan 16, 2003 at 01:23 PM
yep 5t a pair pa rin! Mahal, though, kailangan na talaga e!

Saan nakukuha yung AVIA disc na yan? Mukhang useful talaga e. Clarity habol ko, pero kung walang bass or masyadong mahina, I find that it makes everything else seem noisy.

I still don't know kung anong bass yung kukunin ko. I've looked around different threads, iba-iba yung personal recommendation ng tao. A lot of them would go for velodyne VLFs, Audio_tyro is for REL Stratas (Ikaw ba yung gumawa ng review sa website nila?), and yung iba naman DQ 120, DQ12, or Ganz Klar. People I know  recommend cheaper Aiwa or Bittone subs naman.

Don't even know which specs to look for, except that it has to be compatible with my receiver and not too boomy, tama lang para sa ht, precise enough for music.

Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: dibidibidi on Jan 16, 2003 at 02:26 PM
I used to own the AM5ii. As good as it is for starter speakers, it is not audiophile quality! I can say that I was fooled into buying my unit as I was not well informed that time yet... or should I say - I have not listened to other speakers. As for the 'sub' and the AVIA... the disc is actually just giving you the low freq sound when it is calibrating your sub so you can't actually hear it from your mains [with the limited low freq capability] - hence 'isolating' the sound. In my own experience, the only musical I've heard so far is REL [audiotyro is smiling now]. You really have to listen to it and decide for yourself - that goes to whichever sub you have in mind.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: audio_tyro on Jan 16, 2003 at 02:27 PM
I still don't know kung anong bass yung kukunin ko. I've looked around different threads, iba-iba yung personal recommendation ng tao. A lot of them would go for velodyne VLFs, Audio_tyro is for REL Stratas (Ikaw ba yung gumawa ng review sa website nila?), and yung iba naman DQ 120, DQ12, or Ganz Klar. People I know  recommend cheaper Aiwa or Bittone subs naman. Don't even know which specs to look for, except that it has to be compatible with my receiver and not too boomy, tama lang para sa ht, precise enough for music.

Since you've read so many brands, now is the time to go and hear each of them. Don't be tempted to buy one right away... not until you heard most of them, if not all (from dealers, friends, acquiantances). Only then can you make an intelligent decision as to what brand/model "pulls your heart string". If you buy one right away, you will end up just like what happened to most of us => Upgrading and upgrading and upgrading and upgrading! (You should see the looks of my wife on this subject matter)... daming perang nasa-sayang, dun din naman punta sa pinakamaganda kasi eh. I started with Daichi ASW10DR (improved copy of Bose Acoustimas or Jamo), then I tried Dynaquest, then M&K V125, then jumped to Velodyne VA1012. Finally, after much hesitation, I went for REL Strata, and wham!- This is the bass I've always heard live in any jazz concert, in any classical concert, or in any musical event. So the road for my quest for the best bass ends with REL. Now I can focus on enjoying my music (or movies) or other parts of my audio chain. The REL bass also sharpens my bass playing skills since listening to my system, I can quickly follow the scale of the bass notes played by the bass guitarist. In this aspect, when I listen to study the bass lines, I set my sub in such a way that i "hear" my subwoofer perform, unlike others who go to great lengths of effort of tweaking so that they won't "hear" their subwoofer working. Preposterous! Bass players like John Clayton (sa Diana Krall live in Paris), Leland Sklar, Nathan East, Stanley Clarke, Paul McCartney,etc. would not want to be your friend! Kasi ayaw mo marinig ang tunog ng instrument na love-na-love nila! hehe.

My REL is a keeper (unless we move to a bigger house - like winning a lotto or if not in a senatorial election!). But if that's the case, I'm getting a REL Stentor 3 or yong top-of-the-line Studio 3 ! (REL pa rin) hehe.

So in your case Pare, go and hear them all. Then you choose which one is for you. Para din pala ito naghahanap ka ng mapapangasawa. hehe. Iba-iba ang mapapangasawa. Only question is, will you go for the best, so-so, or the cheap/mediocre na asawa!!! hehe.

As regards to the REL review, guilty as you have charged ! But sometimes, I would not aptly treat it as a review... it's more like a testament, really.

Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: dogears on Jan 16, 2003 at 02:38 PM
audiotyro, i really hope that your quest for the best bass ends with REL  ;D Have you heard other well reviewed [commercial and consumer reviews, that is] subs like HSU, SVS, ACI or TITAN? Just wondering...  ;)

i will get to hear the well reviewed and award winning HSU VTF-2(?) when I visit my brother next month in PA, USA. This is the first sub that I wanted to buy before 'ending' with the REL Quake  8)
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: audio_tyro on Jan 16, 2003 at 02:45 PM
In my own experience, the only musical I've heard so far is REL [audiotyro is smiling now]. You really have to listen to it and decide for yourself - that goes to whichever sub you have in mind.
Never underestimate Dibidibidi's (hirap itype ah!) experience! This humble fellow lived in Singapore for nine years! A constant visitor and customer at Adelphi, the audiophile heaven in Singapore. With his tremendous circle of rich audiophile friends there, he's heard sooooo many highend systems. He's got great ears, great musical taste!
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: dogears on Jan 16, 2003 at 02:46 PM
here's a good read on subwoofers - by doug blackburn/soundstage  8)

http://www.soundstage.com/maxdb/maxdb200101.htm
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: dogears on Jan 16, 2003 at 02:49 PM
Quote
Never underestimate Dibidibidi's (hirap itype ah!) experience! This humble fellow lived in Singapore for nine years! A constant visitor and customer at Adelphi, the audiophile heaven in Singapore. With his tremendous circle of rich audiophile friends there, he's heard sooooo many highend systems. He's got great ears, great musical taste!

ok ok ok... tara, treat na kita sa starbuko  ;D
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: audio_tyro on Jan 16, 2003 at 02:56 PM
audiotyro, i really hope that your quest for the best bass ends with REL  ;D Have you heard other well reviewed [commercial and consumer reviews, that is] subs like HSU, SVS, ACI or TITAN? Just wondering...  ;)
i will get to hear the well reviewed and award winning HSU VTF-2(?) when I visit my brother next month in PA, USA. This is the first sub that I wanted to buy before 'ending' with the REL Quake  8)
I hope so too, or I will have to resort to kidnap-for-ransom to raise funds! hehe. Seriously... well, as time passes by, many will try and copy the remarkable performance of REL. Pero iba pa rin ang Orig!  

Darth Hyperion's cousin in the US, also tried the Hsu, yong pinakasikat, HRSW10. REL Strata pa rin ang bagsak eh.

Good luck on your trip to PA! Galing ah!

Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: dogears on Jan 16, 2003 at 03:04 PM
that leaves me with the ACI Titan and SVS subs then  :)  I am very happy with my REL Quake, it's just that I want to know how many well known subs it actually 'beats' in the price/performance arena  8)
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: arnoldc on Jan 16, 2003 at 04:31 PM
wrong forum, but nevertheless REL beats Velodyne in my short experience of the two.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: audio_tyro on Jan 16, 2003 at 04:45 PM
Hehe, well if most audiophiles prefer the "sound" of European speakers (British, Italian, Danish, French) over most US-made speakers, I find it very difficult to imagine how we could like US subwoofers. For now, the only consolation I could give US subwoofers, is that they're very good for home theater applications. Hsu Research HRSW12V for instance is a reputed M&K killer (and M&K is not a slouch either!). But if subwoofer musicality is your primary criterion, the REL is very hard to beat at its price point.

Kudos to your REL Quake! When I heard it, I thought your Tannoys are really floorstanders, and that your 'cute' sub is not working... it's just pure aesthetics. hehe. But when you turned the sub OFF (then ON again), that made me admit the REL Quake is the source of all that non-directional suave deep bass.

Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: audio_tyro on Jan 16, 2003 at 05:04 PM
wrong forum, but nevertheless REL beats Velodyne in my short experience of the two.

Tama ka ArnoldC. wrong forum nga. hehe. Paki-umpisahan mo dun sa isa, at hindi kita lulubayan. hehe.

Appetizer pa lang yong narinig mo 'pre. Go visit La Casa Darth Hyperion's. Sama ako! There you will see how the Strata can be optimally located to deliver its best disappearing act! Iba talaga kapag single ka pa, you can do anything with the setup of your room.

Yong REL niya, wala pang patayan ng power! That's good for its solid state amp right?

Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: audio_tyro on Jan 16, 2003 at 09:05 PM
here's a good read on subwoofers - by doug blackburn/soundstage  8)
http://www.soundstage.com/maxdb/maxdb200101.htm
Galing nito Pare ah! Okay ka talaga! Medyo mahaba lang, so for those tamad magbasa, I've quoted some interesting points from the writer...hehe:

"I have to tell you that after decades of futzing with audio systems, I have come to realize that I will never again be satisfied with any system that does not include full-range bass performance -- flat to 20Hz or very close to it. Too much is lost when the deep bass is absent. Deep bass imparts a feeling of space, size, solidity and reality that no amount of midrange bloom or high-end air can ever hope to capture. "

"The companies that I know of that make music subwoofers this way are: Vandersteen, Bag End, and REL. If you have watched subwoofer-for-music reviews over the years, you may have noticed that these three companies consistently get high marks for musical performance."

"Home theater is driving today's subwoofer market. Unfortunately, home-theater subwoofers sound distinctly inferior when placed in music duty -- and vice versa."

"If you are looking for subwoofers for music, be very cautious. Your real choices are limited to just a handful of different products these days."

Pero dito siya medyo sumimplang, when he said...  "Never trust a sales person who says a given subwoofer is equally good for music and movies. Either the person is clueless or the subwoofer is so compromised that it won't be that good for either one. Most subwoofers being made today are made with an eye to home theater"

Why? He should have tried a REL Studio. Upon purchasng  this particular model, you will be asked by REL to sign a waver stating that they won't have any liabilities if you turn its volume high resulting to your house getting damaged!  I heard the REL Studio 2 at Kingsley (Adelphi, Singapore). At more than median power output, it really threatened the building's structural integrity; and my ear drums' too! Nahilo ako sa lakas! Hehe. Nagpasikat kasi si Mikhail Lee (the sales rep there) nun eh. hehe.




Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Jan 17, 2003 at 11:19 AM
yep 5t a pair pa rin! Mahal, though, kailangan na talaga e!

Saan nakukuha yung AVIA disc na yan? Mukhang useful talaga e. Clarity habol ko, pero kung walang bass or masyadong mahina, I find that it makes everything else seem noisy.

I still don't know kung anong bass yung kukunin ko. I've looked around different threads, iba-iba yung personal recommendation ng tao. A lot of them would go for velodyne VLFs, Audio_tyro is for REL Stratas (Ikaw ba yung gumawa ng review sa website nila?), and yung iba naman DQ 120, DQ12, or Ganz Klar. People I know  recommend cheaper Aiwa or Bittone subs naman.

Don't even know which specs to look for, except that it has to be compatible with my receiver and not too boomy, tama lang para sa ht, precise enough for music.



yup mahal talaga 5t a pair, kaya nagpapagawa nalang ako sa friend ko right now, sinusubukan namin kopyahin yung bose stands, tapos medyo i re-remodel ng konti... shouldn't come out more than 1t siguro...

as for the Avia, not sure where you can get it here, although medyo mahal yung disc... so buy it only if you really need it...

nag iisip din ako ng subs na medyo mura, people suggested DQ120, USAudio 512, PSB SubZeroi, Sony WM40 (ito daw ok talaga from international reviews, great performer for its price, pero wala pa ata dito eh), and maybe even nirvblakr's customized subs...
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: dr_dohh on Jan 17, 2003 at 01:49 PM
went to image sa hp kanina, looked at their stuff. I auditioned a b&w sub, i found it to be a little weak. though hindi pa niya nilalakasan. yet, it's tempting for me.

Nakakita rin ako ng polk audio na subs, from 8" to 12" drivers. but i didn't get to audition them. mga ganon yung nasa price range ko e. how about its reputation? ANd will it mix with my am10? how do i answer that without actually bringing my rig to the shop?
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: johndoe on Jan 18, 2003 at 10:46 AM
 :)hi,the 8" sub of polk audio  is just ight for ur bose AM10... ;Dbut the 12 inch cguro would be an overkill of bass in ur current system... ;D
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: dr_dohh on Jan 18, 2003 at 08:31 PM
:)hi,the 8" sub of polk audio  is just ight for ur bose AM10... ;Dbut the 12 inch cguro would be an overkill of bass in ur current system... ;D

malakas na ba yung 8"? I listened to Acoustic Research 150 watts e, I don't know if it's too boomy or just right. but sounds just right to me! The thing is, I listened to the b&w asw300, parang masyadong mahina or hindi na-adjust.

I listened to some yamahas kanina, sobrang hina rin! Even if boomy na yung scene, parang kulang yung 100w nila. Any good subs in 5th ave and upscale audio guys?
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: johndoe on Jan 19, 2003 at 12:00 PM
B&W subs!!try the ASW500 or ASW600...closed enclosure ata lhat  ng B&W subs kya d mxadong boomy...but thier SPL's(sound pressure levels) are way of the charts!!!B&W can go down up to 18hz... ;Dor maybe paradigm subs!!but i have not seen anybody selling or distributing it here...
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: tuff_u_gong on Jan 20, 2003 at 06:16 AM
:)hi,the 8" sub of polk audio  is just ight for ur bose AM10... ;Dbut the 12 inch cguro would be an overkill of bass in ur current system... ;D

malakas na ba yung 8"? I listened to Acoustic Research 150 watts e, I don't know if it's too boomy or just right. but sounds just right to me! The thing is, I listened to the b&w asw300, parang masyadong mahina or hindi na-adjust.

I listened to some yamahas kanina, sobrang hina rin! Even if boomy na yung scene, parang kulang yung 100w nila. Any good subs in 5th ave and upscale audio guys?


an 8" sub regardless of what brand is likely to be inadequate for some serious thuds and booms. i suggest you bring discs like UB-571 or even jurassic park 1 (DTS decoded) to audition a sub. there's an entire thread on auditioning material here in pinoydvd that you may want to check out too.

happy watching!
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: dr_dohh on Jan 21, 2003 at 04:13 PM
ok, i've limited my choices to a couple of good subs. i have no idea if they're good brands, but they sound pretty good to me.

Acoustic Research PR108 (i think) - when they played it on music it had a tendency to be boomy. but still, i'm using it for HT, so that's a plus. it's about 150w, definitely strong enough to be used with my receiver. (80w)

Mordaunt Short - didn't get the model, but it was ok. it was strong enough, but what I really liked about this sub was that it had a delay control. it helps when i'm switching to music and ht. I didn't get to see if the AR had one. It's about 100w, but boy, it's more powerful than it seems.

Since people here had violent reactions when I mentioned I had bose speakers, I didn't even look at their selection.

The YAMAHAs in D-Cinema were a little too short on sound. I don't know why, but my full range ones sound much stronger and forceful than that one when they played Gladiator.

The B&W asw300 was a little too soft. I was expecting something more powerful, since it's a big brand. But the really bad thing about the place I auditioned it is that they were selling it for about P19K. "it was on sale", they said, and they dropped it to about P15,400. Someone told me that B&W's regular price is around P15,500! So, I got a little pissed off about it.

I'm kind of leaning towards the Mordaunt Short one, since It's the cheapest (next to the Yamaha one). But if you have any other suggestions, please let me know guys!

Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Jan 22, 2003 at 11:03 AM
dr_dohh,

let me know what you ultimately chose... para ma audition ko rin...
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: dr_dohh on Jan 22, 2003 at 03:11 PM
surely. kung ako sa 'yo, start auditioning em right now. i recommend you to try Acoustic Research sa electronics depot, mordaunt short sa 5th ave. di ko pa na-try mag audition sa upscale audio, since people there are snooty raw e. someone told me that.

aside from this subwoofer thing, gusto ko rin palitan yung center speaker ko e. it's easy, just take out the center speaker wiring, right? or will it mess up the entire acoustimass setup? What if I suddenly decide to upgrade to 6.1 or 7.1? di na ba puwede yung speakers ko?
Title: Bose Acoustimass 10 Home Theater Speaker System
Post by: Qman on Feb 10, 2003 at 04:10 PM
Any one is having this speakers?  How is it?  Planning to buy one.  Any reviews?
I can see the advantage is it so small and it comes on 10 cubes and one subwoofer, only thing is the price DHS 3,220 around USD 880....



Title: Re:Bose Acoustimass 10 Home Theater Speaker System
Post by: v0elker on Feb 10, 2003 at 05:00 PM
not worth it. unless u want nice-looking speakers as opposed to nice-sounding speakers. they're also more expensive than they have any right to be.
Title: Re:Bose Acoustimass 10 Home Theater Speaker System
Post by: greatbop on Feb 10, 2003 at 05:17 PM
err.. please listen to them first before you go and decide that you want one. btw.. there are speakers out there that are JUST SLIGHTLY bigger than the jewel speakers. yet way outperforms the jewel speakers

here're a few examples..

cheap:

Energy take 5.2 system (700 usd)  
moderate:

Energy Encore System.
Mirage OMNIsats...

I wanted a bose system my self din. tapos i posted on a messageboard about it. and they asked me to go and listen to REAL speakers.

Where is your location? what is DHS?
Title: Re:Bose Acoustimass 10 Home Theater Speaker System
Post by: v0elker on Feb 10, 2003 at 05:30 PM
agree with greatbop, the energy take 5.2 sound nice and look neat. the encore sound even better but more expensive. i cant remember exactly, but i think the omnis are the most expensive of the bunch?

--------------------

i take it back, i dont think the bose are that nice-looking. some of the HTIB from sony, philips, et al are much better looking! hehe
Title: Re:Bose Acoustimass 10 Home Theater Speaker System
Post by: greatbop on Feb 10, 2003 at 05:52 PM
^ yes. a tad more expensive that the encores. by a few hundred dollars.
Title: Re:Bose Acoustimass 10 Home Theater Speaker System
Post by: Qman on Feb 10, 2003 at 06:04 PM
tenx guys,

Ive read a lot of reviews about it but mostly are biased review from US.

Ill try to surf that (Energy Encore System.
Mirage OMNIsats) and review.

greatbop - tenx,

Im in the Mid east and DHS is dirhams (United Arab Emirates Currency).  EID Holiday kasi DITO AND MOST este ALL OF THE SHOPS HERE ARE ON SALE.




Title: Re:Bose Acoustimass 10 Home Theater Speaker System
Post by: greatbop on Feb 10, 2003 at 06:19 PM
go check out audioreview.com rin and see what owners think of the products.

website:

www.energy-speakers.com
www.miragespeakers.com

both Energy and Mirage are under the same parent company - Audio Products International along with Athena Technologies.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: levi on Feb 10, 2003 at 09:01 PM
I merged your thread with the Bose speaker thread. PLEASE read the whole thread before deciding.



Levi
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: Uchie on Feb 16, 2003 at 01:55 AM
peepz help naman, we have an AM 5, i wonder ano maganda idagdag sa kanya to create a 5.1 setup? would i go for a new front and center and a new sub then use my am5 as my suround???? or bili nalang ng ibang suround, then use my am5 as the front???
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: levi on Feb 16, 2003 at 02:33 AM
I suggest you sell your Bose then get 5.1/6.1/7.1 complete setup. If your budget is tight, you can get new speakers for the front and center then use your Bose for the rear. Just my 2 cent advise

levi
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: bently on Feb 16, 2003 at 09:53 AM
if your going to mix and match your speakers just becareful with timber matching. i tried to upgrade my center with an lcr b&w speaker but it was not timber matched with my mirage front speakers so i ended up selling it and got a mirage center instead.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: Uchie on Feb 16, 2003 at 11:21 PM
I suggest you sell your Bose then get 5.1/6.1/7.1 complete setup. If your budget is tight, you can get new speakers for the front and center then use your Bose for the rear. Just my 2 cent advise

levi

tnx levi ;)
we already have a harman kardon 3550, sbi nga ng dad ko benta nalang yung am5 then bili nalang ng bagong speakers like the jbl scs series, or sbi naman ni momy gamitin nalang yung am5 para sa videoke using diff. amp
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: redkoji on Feb 17, 2003 at 03:57 PM
I suggest you sell your Bose then get 5.1/6.1/7.1 complete setup. If your budget is tight, you can get new speakers for the front and center then use your Bose for the rear. Just my 2 cent advise

levi



tnx levi ;)
we already have a harman kardon 3550, sbi nga ng dad ko benta nalang yung am5 then bili nalang ng bagong speakers like the jbl scs series, or sbi naman ni momy gamitin nalang yung am5 para sa videoke using diff. amp

Why not try mo Definitive Promonitor 80 and Procenter 100, small but powerful and better sounding than JBL SCS series, since rear speaker need not to be that powerful and the clarity is that a must...then use the bose.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: Uchie on Feb 17, 2003 at 10:46 PM
talaga??? mas maganda b yun than the jbl scs???
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: dr_dohh on Feb 18, 2003 at 12:06 PM
Uchie, don sa 1st option mo (making your am5 surround speakers) na-try nyo na ba kung puwede yan? Ako kasi i put a nice sub lang, and it sounds fine. but kunwari if i wanted to upgrade to a 6.1 setup do i have to shell out for 6 speakers or can i still use the old ones?
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: slowhand on Feb 24, 2003 at 08:04 PM
Just viewed the Bose demo currently set up at the Power Plant mall. I gotta say that it's the most:
- skillfully marketed
- cannily conceived
- cleverly produced
demo I've seen. No wonder this company is so huge.

Ok, audiophiles, you can bring down your eyebrows now.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: Alamat on Feb 26, 2003 at 03:16 AM
 Hehehe..Bose bulok....I like going into those showrooms and barking out DD EX, DTS ES, DPL II and get stupid answers. Always a treat....
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: nerveblocker on Feb 26, 2003 at 10:10 PM
To get the exact sound reproduction that you hear in a BOSE showroom is to have your room made the same size as the showroom with the same acoustics.  Anything deviating from that set-up makes BOSE sound ehem!

Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: john5479 on Feb 26, 2003 at 10:34 PM
Your room has to be a perfect square to get the maximum effect of the speakers, the effect is nice if your room is ideal but still for the price you pay its too much.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: Qman on Feb 26, 2003 at 10:44 PM
lemons ba talaga ang bose, kasi dito sa mid east eh tinitingala ang bose......

kya mga noy-pi rito pag may ht sila sigurado ang speakers nila bose....... ??? ???
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: Alamat on Feb 26, 2003 at 11:01 PM
  Make that bulok na lemons. A concrete example....a few years ago,..nung mas gatas pa ang aking mga labi at ang yabang ko na may Lifestyle 12 ako....I went into a local HT store asking if I could upgrade the Bose to the then newly put out Dolby Digital 5.1 format. The salesman was very nice and said I should its not available yet for Bose. So he shows me the mock-up HT in the store where Bose and a "mere" Boston Acoustics sats were in. He then went to demo both and was I surprised those $600 BA blew my $2000 set like they were night and day. I managed to get rid of my set using their own marketing.
  Now for their defense, a layman could be impressed by the showroom stuff they hear. We must be reminded that Bose actually has very good demo material. They are said to be the best for that purpose. Now someone with not much exposure to other speakers will think that its the best and even I can vouch for that (though I remember I had to turn up the volume too high to get some bass). But once u hear another brand, things would get really interesting.
  My advice is to try and "audition" other sets before making the purchase. We continue to bash Bose due to the fact that we feel we were deceived. We can only try and prevent this from happenning to others.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: Qman on Feb 26, 2003 at 11:14 PM
tenx alamat..

actually im planning to buy a set at iyong bagong labas nla...... early next year pag upgrade ko.  but now im seriously dropping that plan because of the bad reviews here at PDVD.

kasi when I auditioned it here satisfied naman ako sa narinig ko... anyway as you said sa mga newbie eh dpat i  auditioned ang ibang brands...  
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Mar 10, 2003 at 02:23 PM
hey guys, need help on my bose AM10 series II. I had it working fine before with Avia until I recently checked again with my Avia Ovation disc...

running the subwoofer test, I noticed that on the left speaker-subwoofer test, the sub doesn't produce any sound or rumble. The left main speaker is working fine, but the sub doesn't. Others are working fine, like center-subwoofer, right-subwoofer, etc. I tried switching the right and left speaker wires, and that's when it worked, but the subwoofer on the right-subwoofer test this time won't work.

I think this is a wire problem, any way I can fix this? I checked the wires but didn't see any cuts or damage.

Thanks.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: Qman on Apr 05, 2003 at 09:54 PM
was able to auditioned bose speakers dito connected directly sa Bose DVD rin (accoustimas, 9 series and 7 series)  di ko gusto ang tunog parang kulang.  

then theyve connected it sa SONY receiver di ko alam kung anong model iyon.. ganoon pa rin....

They are on sale at talagang pinipilit akong bilhin ng sales man .....  pro taka ako dahil mabili pa  rin sa mga taga rito.... ??? ???
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: enygma on Apr 05, 2003 at 10:57 PM
was able to auditioned bose speakers dito connected directly sa Bose DVD rin (accoustimas, 9 series and 7 series)  di ko gusto ang tunog parang kulang.  

then theyve connected it sa SONY receiver di ko alam kung anong model iyon.. ganoon pa rin....

They are on sale at talagang pinipilit akong bilhin ng sales man .....  pro taka ako dahil mabili pa  rin sa mga taga rito.... ??? ???

talagang mararamdaman mo na may kulang dahil nakarinig ka na ng mga "tunay" na speakers.  iyung nabili mo kay nirv, i'm sure walang sinabi iyung bose don considering na masyadong mahal ang bose for it's performance.  ;D
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: iceman90a on Apr 05, 2003 at 11:00 PM
hey guys, need help on my bose AM10 series II. I had it working fine before with Avia until I recently checked again with my Avia Ovation disc...

running the subwoofer test, I noticed that on the left speaker-subwoofer test, the sub doesn't produce any sound or rumble. The left main speaker is working fine, but the sub doesn't. Others are working fine, like center-subwoofer, right-subwoofer, etc. I tried switching the right and left speaker wires, and that's when it worked, but the subwoofer on the right-subwoofer test this time won't work.

I think this is a wire problem, any way I can fix this? I checked the wires but didn't see any cuts or damage.

Thanks.


bossing - baka naka set sa large ang fron speaker size mo. pag oo - kaunti na ang ang signal na pinapadala sa sub. try mo i set sa small muna para ma set yung sub level. after that balik mo sa large ang fronts

 ;D
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: Qman on Apr 05, 2003 at 11:54 PM
was able to auditioned bose speakers dito connected directly sa Bose DVD rin (accoustimas, 9 series and 7 series)  di ko gusto ang tunog parang kulang.  

then theyve connected it sa SONY receiver di ko alam kung anong model iyon.. ganoon pa rin....

They are on sale at talagang pinipilit akong bilhin ng sales man .....  pro taka ako dahil mabili pa  rin sa mga taga rito.... ??? ???

talagang mararamdaman mo na may kulang dahil nakarinig ka na ng mga "tunay" na speakers.  iyung nabili mo kay nirv, i'm sure walang sinabi iyung bose don considering na masyadong mahal ang bose for it's performance.  ;D
yap tama ka diyan nakarining na kasi tunay walang binesa sa speakers ni nirv eh. ;D ;D ;D

at saka almost 2,000 usd ang isang set nila whew.....  ilang receiver na rin iyon  ;D ;D
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: stradale on Apr 06, 2003 at 06:52 PM
A couple of years ago, I walked into the Bose shop in Festival Mall, sat in their demo room, and came out determined to save up for an Acoustimass-10 Series 2 (worth about P45T then).  Audio savvy friends talked me out of going Bose and so I ended up with a B&W/Velodyne/Yamaha HT system costing over twice as much as the AM-10. I've had the opportunity to listen to an AM-10 Series 2 system since then and it definitely lacks the slam and depth of my current system. For HT use though, for the price, pwede na. I cannot say the same thing for the outrageously expensive Lifestyle series though.  

Recently, I was lured into the same Bose shop by loud rock music. Turns out they were putting the paces on a pair of 701 floorstanders with an Onkyo AVR (looked like a TX-S600).  At P55T a pair, the 701's did not sound better than my B&W 602S3 bookshelves costing half as much.  My guess is it was receiver-limited because Bose speakers always sounded good to my ears.

Going one floor up, I found a store selling Dynaudios.  They had a pair of Audience 72 floorstanders (3-way, the 701's are 2-way lang) selling for P52T but it wasn't on demo.  But given the high regard by audiophiles for Dynaudio, there was no doubt in my mind which floorstander I'd buy if I had P55T on hand.  
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: bunkieboy on Apr 06, 2003 at 07:42 PM
which store sells the dynaudios in festi?
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: enygma on Apr 06, 2003 at 07:49 PM
which store sells the dynaudios in festi?

d-cinema. they also sell b&w speakers. i think they are part of listening group of companies.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: stradale on Apr 06, 2003 at 08:41 PM
Forgot the name but I think enygma is right.  They are on the top floor, going towards the cinemas.  Was looking for Audience 52 but they had the 42, 42W, 62, and 72 only.  Didn't see any B&Ws but they were selling lots of Yamaha speakers and AVRs.  They also sell high end cables (Transparent etc.).
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Apr 06, 2003 at 09:30 PM
hey guys, need help on my bose AM10 series II. I had it working fine before with Avia until I recently checked again with my Avia Ovation disc...

running the subwoofer test, I noticed that on the left speaker-subwoofer test, the sub doesn't produce any sound or rumble. The left main speaker is working fine, but the sub doesn't. Others are working fine, like center-subwoofer, right-subwoofer, etc. I tried switching the right and left speaker wires, and that's when it worked, but the subwoofer on the right-subwoofer test this time won't work.

I think this is a wire problem, any way I can fix this? I checked the wires but didn't see any cuts or damage.

Thanks.


bossing - baka naka set sa large ang fron speaker size mo. pag oo - kaunti na ang ang signal na pinapadala sa sub. try mo i set sa small muna para ma set yung sub level. after that balik mo sa large ang fronts

 ;D

thanks... ayos naman yung setting kasi I didn't change anything since my last Avia test eh... tingin ko may problem yung wires... anyway, I bought a sub nalang to replace the AM10 sub
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: iceman90a on Apr 07, 2003 at 10:07 PM

... anyway, I bought a sub nalang to replace the AM10 sub

kakatakot ka pala mapikon  ;D pinapalitan mo agad, tulungan kita maghakot ng di mo na kailangan  ;D
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Apr 08, 2003 at 11:37 AM
haha, well the AM10 sub doesn't perform very much like a sub anyways, and have been planning to get one since before it had a problem... so my decision was made nung nag loko na yung wiring ng sub :)
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: ryn0128 on Apr 09, 2003 at 08:11 PM
i went to hmr this afternoon, mukang bagong bagsak ang mga electronics don, nagakalat ang mga tv and dvd players, may sub din akong nakita pero i think its passive. may mga gulong pa nga eh at medyo magaan, 12" woofer ang gamit at front firing. selling for 4500. may nakita din akong bose accoustimass subwoofer, 4500 din sya at nag iisa. you guys might be interested.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: levi on Aug 26, 2003 at 12:10 AM
bump for 600Mw
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: YrNeH on Aug 26, 2003 at 12:43 AM
may nag-suggest sa akin noon nung wala pa akong ht room na: with a bose am-10, since passive lang ang sub nya, get another active sub. nag-suggest kasi sa akin e ganon ginawa nya at ok daw ang tunog sabi nya kaso di ko napakinggan e. so 600mw, subukan mo muna o kaya manghiram ka muna ng active sub at pakinggan mo kung anong resulta.

my1c

shalom :)
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: D75C on Aug 26, 2003 at 01:58 AM
If placement and accuracy wasn't an issue, I'll get a Bose but I have yet to hear a pair that does well in stereo mode. My uncle has a pair of 901s - that was Bose's flagship model before. It was okay, expensive, but not that great. Their direct-reflecting design gives you really spacious sound but it's just too spacious for my taste.

Also, the bass modules of Bose aren't real subwoofers. They don't even hit the bottom end.

I don't know if anyone else has noticed but medyo ngo-ngo ang speakers nila. Try to an A/B test it with another bookshelf speaker. Tell me if you have similar results.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: acg on Aug 26, 2003 at 06:38 AM
not sure if I remembered correctly, read somewhere on the net that small speakers like the Acoustimass cubes go down to about 200Hz only and dolby digital LFE has an upper limit of about 120Hz therefore leaving quite a hole in the audio spectrum.
Title: Pioneer D510-G and Bose Acoustimass 6 Series 2
Post by: cHiNo2728 on Sep 02, 2003 at 08:11 AM
Mga Sirs, we currently have this setup in our sala:
Pioneer D510-G (http://Pioneer D510-G)
As well as a Bose Acoustimass 6
Bose Acoustimass 6 (http://Bose Acoustimass 6)

Feeling ko lang bitin na bitin ako kapag I'm watching my DVD's. There;s not enough Ooomph!!, if you know wat I mean  ;) Does any one of you own this speaker or receiver? Any tweaks I could do with these to maximize its potential? Or am I just stuck with an overpriced system that is under powered? :'(
Title: Re:Pioneer D510-G and Bose Acoustimass 6 Series 2
Post by: john5479 on Sep 02, 2003 at 08:55 AM
just add a sub to the mix to get the oomph :)
Title: Re:Pioneer D510-G and Bose Acoustimass 6 Series 2
Post by: camotecue on Sep 03, 2003 at 05:04 PM
I have the same ht amp. ok naman sound kasi full range ang speakers ko and may diy na sub ako. Hindi talaga gaganda tunog ng ht mo kung bose na cube gagamitin mo. mahina pati ang passive sub ng bose. walang thunderous bass. bitin
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: gutierrez on Sep 05, 2003 at 09:28 AM
I just wanna share my story

Actually dapat bose AM 10 bibilhin ko kasi masyadong mapilit yun dad ko bec bose yun gamit nya abroad, sabi ko pangit yung bose and mahal pa.  Sabi ko I'll buy mission or wharfes, sabi ba naman sakin di daw kilala sa abroad yon so for sure tunog lata mag sasayang lang daw ako ng pera  >:(.

 When he arrived home last week we went to audition bose am10, ok lang pwede na pero mahal.
 Then we went to audition wharfes and mission, aba nagbago yun ihip ng hangin biglang binili kagad yun mission (sobrang tuwa naman ako ksi I was suppose to buy wharfes naging mission pa, hehehehe  ;D).

 My dad "was" a big fan of Bose pero ngayon he'll search for mission when he go abroad  :)
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: levi on Sep 05, 2003 at 10:26 PM
Make him read this.

 Bose Review  (http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html)
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: cHiNo2728 on Sep 07, 2003 at 01:03 PM
Gutierrez, pareho pala tayo ng tatay (hindi anak sa labas ha!  ;D ) Dad ko kasi binili na itong DVD player and receiver na ito sa abroad, and he auditioned it there with this Acoustimass 6. Mahal dun kaya dito na lang daw kami bumili ng speakers ng brother ko, kasi mura.
We were supposed to buy the Klipsch speakers, but decided not to as we thought how my dad would react with our purchase. So, nauwi sa Bose and  :'(
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: gutierrez on Sep 08, 2003 at 08:17 AM
Gutierrez, pareho pala tayo ng tatay (hindi anak sa labas ha!  ;D ) Dad ko kasi binili na itong DVD player and receiver na ito sa abroad, and he auditioned it there with this Acoustimass 6. Mahal dun kaya dito na lang daw kami bumili ng speakers ng brother ko, kasi mura.
We were supposed to buy the Klipsch speakers, but decided not to as we thought how my dad would react with our purchase. So, nauwi sa Bose and  :'(

dude ok lang yan, kaya nga tayo may Buy and Sell thread dito sa pinoy dvd  ;D (joke lang).

Seriously , audition ka ng speakers mission or B&W tapos sama mo Dad, for sure your dad will decide to change your speakers, just like what happened to me  :)
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: av_phile on Sep 08, 2003 at 10:19 AM
A lot of negatives have been said of those Bose satellite speakers.  I won't add to them.  Let's just say they're overhyped and overpriced.  

I tend to agree with some internet wirte-ups, Bose's marketing precludes their product from being AB tested with other brands.  At Robinsons in Ermita, i was a little amused to see they have a large theatre-like room where people queue up at soecific times.  A very unique marketing treat.  They can sound very impressive.  Just don't let your guard down.   When you buy a Bose, i think half your money pays for their marketing.  Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: JT on Sep 08, 2003 at 10:44 AM
BOSE speakers are very much dependent sa acoustic qualities nung room kaya maganda yung tunog sa mga showroom pero pagdating sa bahay eh nag-iiba na.

For me its not worth it. You can buy better setup for its price.


Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: john5479 on Sep 08, 2003 at 08:19 PM
oh I almost forgot...bose actually sues those who post negative things about their products so maybe 1/3 of what you pay for a bose goes to the lawyers hehehe
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: nels76 on Sep 08, 2003 at 11:40 PM

Just to be fair woth BOSE Speakers (Although I am not a BOSE Owner), I was impressed by its sound when my Friend(1) and I went to a Friend's(2) house. We watched movies and listened to music. Ok naman. I just don't know if you can attribute that to the Speakers. It was connected by the way to Onkyo TX-SR600 and AIWA Compact DVD Player.

[Friend(2) owns the Onkyo and Bose HT Setup]

Actually, based on my friend's(1) comment, meron siyang narinig doon sa setup ni friend 2 sa opening ng Warner Bros. na di niya nadidinig sa HT niya (HK-Mission).

I think maganda BOSE sa small rooms. Friend 2's HT area is about 3m x 5m.

Just my observation.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: gimper on Sep 22, 2003 at 02:36 PM
hi! i have acoustimass 5 satellite (cube)speakers.
i am not so pleased with the sound
when i put one as center channel spkr.
do i need to replace this one with a
full range speaker to sound better?
parang bitin kasi, baka mas maganda pa kung
ilabas ko sa TV speakers instead.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: redkoji on Sep 22, 2003 at 02:43 PM
hi! i have acoustimass 5 satellite (cube)speakers.
i am not so pleased with the sound
when i put one as center channel spkr.
do i need to replace this one with a
full range speaker to sound better?
parang bitin kasi, baka mas maganda pa kung
ilabas ko sa TV speakers instead.

I guess if you really wanted to have a good sounding speakers, you should have auditioned first...kasi mahal accoustimas and they could delivery only lmited sound due to their smallness.

try getting  other speakers for front and center and use your surround the bose speaker
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: av_phile on Sep 22, 2003 at 03:04 PM
hi! i have acoustimass 5 satellite (cube)speakers.
i am not so pleased with the sound
when i put one as center channel spkr.
do i need to replace this one with a
full range speaker to sound better?
parang bitin kasi, baka mas maganda pa kung
ilabas ko sa TV speakers instead.

In the meantime, if your TV amp and speakers can hack it, it may be good idea to just route your center channel (from the DVD center analog out or receiver center pre-out) to the TV audio input.   It's possible the TV speakers have a wider range than a solitary Bose cube. Timbre mathcing with your fronts is another thing.  
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: gimper on Sep 23, 2003 at 09:53 AM
Quote
I guess if you really wanted to have a good sounding speakers, you should have auditioned first...kasi mahal accoustimas

redkoji, actually i didnt buy acoustimass,
my bro-in-law gave them to me
kasi nag-upgrade siya to lifestyle
series.

i might buy a separate center channel
na lang. I have tried daiichi DCS,
and US Audio mukhang pwede na...
very affordable pa.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: gimper on Sep 30, 2003 at 05:14 PM
btw, in fairness, ang ganda ng bose
pang surround, also kung barilan
at malakas ang mga tunog sa movie,
okay na rin sana yung center channel ko,
pero kapag concert or scenes na
conversation lamang, bitin at di masyado
maganda ang tunog(para sa akin),
may kulang na frequencies.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: BuLLeT on Oct 01, 2003 at 02:19 PM
I think that with the same price range, there are better sounding speakers than bose.

It's just my opinion and no offense meant to anyone. ;)
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: doughn on Oct 02, 2003 at 04:48 PM
i own some Bose Speakers
1. Bose Video Roommate- A pair of speakers with built in amp. have a built in volume. for tv use sya and magnetic shielded.  my dad bought it 15yrs ago and still working. wow :o but the sound is not that good.

2. Boose roomate- almost identical as the video roomate but no volume contol and not magnetic shield (intended for walkman and discman use) almost the same age :o

3. Bose Car speaker system  with matching amp.  6x9
expensive, great midbass but lack hi's.


conclution
.  they are durable but they dont sound that good . if youre picky like me.

just my 3 cents.


Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: gob on Nov 14, 2003 at 09:08 PM
hey guys any comments on bose 301 and 201 direct/reflecting bookshelf speaker

tnx 8)
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: redkoji on Dec 29, 2003 at 01:33 PM
Hey Dudes,

If you want try the Klipsch Promedia or the Quintet, if your looking for a satellite type of speakers with satisfactory sound.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: ESi on Dec 29, 2003 at 01:43 PM
hey guys any comments on bose 301 and 201 direct/reflecting bookshelf speaker

tnx 8)

Hello to all.

Of all the controversies re: BOSE is BETTER SOUND THROUGH MARKETING rather than RESEARCH...i believe that ONE BOSE Speaker deserves credit and still sounds good after all the modifications it has underwent.

 THE BOSE 301!
(http://akamaipix.crutchfield.com/products/2002/018/l018301VB-f_MT.jpeg)

During the heydey of MOBILE discos, I had one used as a monitor for practicing mixing and home recordings. It produces a balanced sound which truly fills my 15 x 10 ft hobby room. Even now when I could manage I audition the 301's which is now i believe to be the SERIES 5 presently sold ( I use to own series 3 ). If you're a teenager and listens to RAP, HOUSE, TECHNO, GARAGE, TRANCE and those chillout type of music...these babies are worth a listen and you wont be disappointed. Just my 2 cents. Happy new year to all! ;)
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: redkoji on Dec 29, 2003 at 06:21 PM
With the price of Bose...I would either go for Definitve Tech or Klipsch...no offense man...this brand of speakers would not land on top 5 of U.S if they are not good sounding speakers.....

Klipsch overtook B&W, BOSE, Paradigm.....in terms of sales...

And as soon as we introduce the Klipsch Cinema 8 or 10 in the Philippine market..you will be the judge.

Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: redline on Dec 29, 2003 at 08:23 PM
hey guys any comments on bose 301 and 201 direct/reflecting bookshelf speaker

tnx 8)

i have been using a series IV 301 for the past four years. delivers great sound for a two channel set-up but i tend to agree with the others in that there are better speakers now for less cost. klipsch bookshelves sound awesome! auditioned a pair at Sonny Tuazon's. forgot model though.

 :)

Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 30, 2003 at 10:26 AM
Those Bose cubes in the accoustimas and lifestyle seires may be s a lot overpriced for their performance.  And if you notice,  BOSE don't allow their products to be displayed and tested along with other spekaers.  They have their own little corner or a separate shop all by themselves with excellent accoustically engineered listening rooms. The site below makes a good explanation.

http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html

If compact speakers appeal to you, there are others that can claim to being better like the Kipsch Promedia.  Perhaps, you may also want to try  the top end of the Altec Lansing satellites for PCs.

But I agree that some BOSE speakers like the 301s do sound well compared with the satellites.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: rapeez on Feb 05, 2004 at 01:23 PM
mga sir,

makikisingit lang po.

i have a BOSE Lifestyle20. i'm thinkin of using this 2pcs jewel cube. can i possibly use it as for surround speaker? i'm using a yamaha receiver RXv-440. how can i connect this to my receiver? can i connect my cube speakers directly to my receiver without passing thru its acoustimass module(SUB). in case yes, how?

i tried connecting but the tip of my cable is far different from common RCA. Pls help i really want to use it for my surround coz no moolah to buy for a new surround.

thanks in advance.

rapeez
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 05, 2004 at 01:56 PM
Don't the jewel boxes just use ordianry speaker wires connected to the accousitmas bass module?  Just connect the speaker wires from the jewel cubes to the receiver's surround speaker out.  Am just not sure if the jewel ciubes are 8 ohms of 4 ohms.  Matching would be important.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: rapeez on Feb 05, 2004 at 02:53 PM
Don't the jewel boxes just use ordianry speaker wires connected to the accousitmas bass module?  Just connect the speaker wires from the jewel cubes to the receiver's surround speaker out.  Am just not sure if the jewel ciubes are 8 ohms of 4 ohms.  Matching would be important.

av_phile,

thx men. which means i can use the jewel cube without the support of acoustimass bass module right? but using different speaker wire? tama ba sir? if yes, connection of jewel speaker is different from normal inserts( + & - terminal) it has two opposite needle and i wonder how can i connect the wire to it.
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 06, 2004 at 09:04 AM
av_phile,

thx men. which means i can use the jewel cube without the support of acoustimass bass module right? but using different speaker wire? tama ba sir? if yes, connection of jewel speaker is different from normal inserts( + & - terminal) it has two opposite needle and i wonder how can i connect the wire to it.

The way you describe it, they sound proprietary to BOSE.  Baka hindi puede ikabit.  I have a friend who uses a jewel-type cubed dual boxes the size of that BOSE but is a Dai-ichi brand and uses only ordinary speaker terminals and cables, 8 ohms.  Suggest you first measure using an ohmeter to check if it matches your receiver spec for speaker loading.  If they match, then just use the existing wires connecting your jewel box to the accoustimas module and route them to the receiver instead.  Maybe you can post a pic of your jewel cube back panel and the wire used.  
Title: Re:Bose Speakers
Post by: bridgebolt on Apr 05, 2004 at 01:47 PM
hey guys any comments on bose 301 and 201 direct/reflecting bookshelf speaker

tnx 8)

i own bose 301 maganda bose pang laspagan hehehe.... pang rock. thats it... kulang kasi sa height e. kaya ngayon nag upgrade ako im into jazz and classical music e. and im proud that im using PSB speakers...hehehe swabeeee matching with my tube amp...hehehe
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: sgc_wdi on Jul 21, 2004 at 12:07 PM
need help with my bose acoustimass setup, I noticed that dialog in movies is not very clear and loud, I've already maxed the volume on my center speaker thru my amp (yamaha rxv1300), are there any other way to make it sound better?

another thing is, all 5 speaker modules have different volumes to them, some are louder than the others. Is this normal? Thanks.
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: andaleon on Jul 21, 2004 at 01:51 PM
HOW TO MAKE A BOSE SOUND BETTER

THIS REALLY WORKS BASED ON GOOD RESEARCH!

1.) Strip the end of an power cord.

2.) Connect the stripped end to the terminals of your favorite Bose speaker. Make sure the stripped ends don't touch.

3.) Find a convenient power outlet. Turn off the circuit breaker to that outlet.

4.) Plug the power cord in. Stay off in a good distance.

5.) Turn on the circuit breaker.

6.) Watch the bad smoke escape out of the Bose.

7.) Now go get a Real Speaker.

8.) CONGRATULATIONS! Now you achieved  Better Sound through Research!!!!!.

Consult a good electrician if you are a bit unsure with the above procedure
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: X-®an™ on Jul 21, 2004 at 03:55 PM
HOW TO MAKE A BOSE SOUND BETTER

THIS REALLY WORKS BASED ON GOOD RESEARCH!

1.) Strip the end of an power cord.

2.) Connect the stripped end to the terminals of your favorite Bose speaker. Make sure the stripped ends don't touch.

3.) Find a convenient power outlet. Turn off the circuit breaker to that outlet.

4.) Plug the power cord in. Stay off in a good distance.

5.) Turn on the circuit breaker.

6.) Watch the bad smoke escape out of the Bose.

7.) Now go get a Real Speaker.

8.) CONGRATULATIONS! Now you achieved  Better Sound through Research!!!!!.

Consult a good electrician if you are a bit unsure with the above procedure

If unsure about Steps 1-6... replace it with these two steps:

1.  Contact X-Ran (me)
2.  Donate your Bose speakers to him (thanks!) - di ko tatanggihan yan ;D
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: rmpmla on Jul 21, 2004 at 05:56 PM
HOW TO MAKE A BOSE SOUND BETTER

THIS REALLY WORKS BASED ON GOOD RESEARCH!

1.) Strip the end of an power cord.

2.) Connect the stripped end to the terminals of your favorite Bose speaker. Make sure the stripped ends don't touch.

3.) Find a convenient power outlet. Turn off the circuit breaker to that outlet.

4.) Plug the power cord in. Stay off in a good distance.

5.) Turn on the circuit breaker.

6.) Watch the bad smoke escape out of the Bose.

7.) Now go get a Real Speaker.

8.) CONGRATULATIONS! Now you achieved  Better Sound through Research!!!!!.

Consult a good electrician if you are a bit unsure with the above procedure

not applicable to BOSE 901

http://www.hometheaterspot.com/htsthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=319897&page=2&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=365&fpart=1


Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: andaleon on Jul 21, 2004 at 07:23 PM
X-Man's solution is called:

"Better sound through donation". That should work too!

For the 901, you need an 20- Amp breaker , not the 15-Amp variety.

I liked Bose. I too was a victim. I did not know better then.
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: rmpmla on Jul 21, 2004 at 08:06 PM



For the 901, you need an 20- Amp breaker , not the 15-Amp variety.



so the 901 can handle more than 4,000 watts of 60 hz test tone with a constant 120 or 220 volts AC. NOT bad  ;D.  can you do this on your Real Speakers ? ;D
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: andaleon on Jul 22, 2004 at 03:41 AM
so the 901 can handle more than 4,000 watts of 60 hz test tone with a constant 120 or 220 volts AC.

NOT bad

rmpmla,

Why don't you try it?

The results will astnonish you!

I did on my 901. And man-- I am thankful I did!
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: rmpmla on Jul 22, 2004 at 06:58 AM
so the 901 can handle more than 4,000 watts of 60 hz test tone with a constant 120 or 220 volts AC.

NOT bad

rmpmla,

Why don't you try it?

The results will astnonish you!

I did on my 901. And man-- I am thankful I did!

the result was already posted  above, so no need for me to try.

but your real speaker is not.  hope to see the result on your next post.

Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: andaleon on Jul 22, 2004 at 11:25 AM
You treat a piece of art differently from how you treat garbage.





Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: rmpmla on Jul 22, 2004 at 04:09 PM
You treat a piece of art differently from how you treat garbage.







or is it your real speakers cannot even pass the steps you mentioned but a BOSE 901 can.

you better enjoy looking at your piece art while i enjoy listening to MY set up


Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: andaleon on Jul 22, 2004 at 08:10 PM
Good, it's an acquired taste.

People do have the predilection for things rubbish.

And it's not about price, because Hose isn't cheap.
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: rmpmla on Jul 22, 2004 at 09:35 PM
Good, it's an acquired taste.
go on continue looking at your pc. of art while i enjoy listening to my set up. of course, we are talking of speakers here.

People do have the predilection for things rubbish.

you never can tell.  maybe  you will say the same thing with your real speakers 20 years from now.


And it's not about price, because Hose isn't cheap.


sorry for those who bought bose speakers at steep price.  i bought my 401 and 901 ( pre owned ) under $200 total. 
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: andaleon on Jul 22, 2004 at 11:59 PM
I'm glad your speakers meet your spectations.

Mine cannot handle 4000w at 60 Hz but my expectations are of course different and beyond 60Hz @ 4000w. Hose 901 has got me beat on that one!

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0XACqA9UcpzF5FGlJD0V3PvW5pX!FWLN6Vq*vdjetwNVzyv6Rh8Gbbsrt6ySgy1FysL62rES2R8OGpZe5mZSupqpo0ICGf3AAHyJ8X9WfGMGuCwWzCR!Mo!RHEK5H*u8fFjVZIhu2aoc/DSC01648.JPG?dc=4675478578789783145).

Yes, I like looking at these pieces of art.

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0XAD9AtccTjJ5FGlJD0V3PlLf5bMM49qUSZmAmCSKLd36R8CR!RFho5gwvry7kOUlkJKtt*OVyouBoK4N5OTSbdIcSgBJGxMGbWhwiTo*NsmJ!HgvVocx6BCuN0OA96O*KmVG0wKPaZ8/DSC01659.JPG?dc=4675478578791671340)

I like them more when they start singing!
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: rmpmla on Jul 23, 2004 at 06:32 AM
you have started this wall outlet test for HOSE. and yet you overlooked that your set up would not even pass it.

some people wll only be satisfied with megabuck set up while others  will prefer an el cheapo transistor radio and still be satisfied.

I admire people who respect other people's choices or prefrences.
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: andaleon on Jul 23, 2004 at 11:17 AM
I wouldn't  admire your preference for speakers but I'll just leave you alone with it.

Hey, you are listening to it.

I would admire your vehement defense however.
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: rmpmla on Jul 23, 2004 at 08:32 PM
you missed the word RESPECT . once this is gone, arrogance sets in.
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: andaleon on Jul 23, 2004 at 10:01 PM
You just don't get it, do you?

That circuit breaker experiment has been a long time-running joke.

It surely is not my original.  It is merely a cut-and-paste of some other Bose-Bashing posts.  Bose-bashing is a popular sport among audio circles.

It is a spoof of their marketing slogan

"Better sound through research"

A lot of people are misinformed and have been ripped off by how much Bose is asking for such a worthless speakers.

(Granted you bought yours at much less that retail. Congratulations!)

It is meant to address and educate that Bose is not that it is all advertised to be.

But in your case...........


"YOU JUST CAN'T TEACH A PIG HOW TO SING!

IT ANNOYS THE PIG AND IT WASTES YOU TIME."


Bye, I have wasted enough time with you!






Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: rmpmla on Jul 24, 2004 at 06:31 AM
imbis na bose user ang mainis yung bose basher ang nainis.
end of joke.

bro lighten up, it's just a joke.

fish tayo ;D
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: bayonic on Jul 24, 2004 at 07:33 AM
hi,

just a suggestion :

instead of subjecting bose speakers to the " AC outlet test " when you are replacing them with another set of speakers , why not donate it to a good,respectable audio store in the philippines ?
that way pag may mga newbies kagaya ko na magtatanong kung anong magandang speakers or kung totoo bang yung mga nababasa sa internet about bose , we can actually have the chance to do a side by side comparison.

i've read that the side by side comparison is something that Bose does not encourage or even allow ...

said speakers can also be displayed on various audio fairs / exhibitions .

i am not sure if there are legal obstacles to hurdle though


just a suggestion
Title: Re:Bose Lifestyle 15
Post by: mattmatt on Jul 24, 2004 at 08:26 AM
In my opinion, BOSE is more of a MARKETING COMPANY than a SPEAKER manufacturer!!!!!
I second the motion...magaling sa marketing..but if you think and look deeper walang laman... :D
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: av_phile1 on Jul 26, 2004 at 11:41 AM
I've seen and heard Bose-like cubes from Dai-1chi, Audiofile, Xenon, Konzert, Kingfisher, to mention a few.   Whenever I am at SM and its appliance affiliate, I usually linger around a demo of such items being shown to some customers.  And they sound respectable in HT.   Good value for less than 5T for a complete HT speaker package with powered woofers.  They sound so much like Bose satellites. 

And Bose cubes do sound respectable enough. 

But not at their prices.  At their prices, when you know what's inside them, they begin to sound contemptible.   ;D
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: bruquee on Jul 30, 2004 at 08:26 PM
not all bose products sound awful.  have heard some products over the years that have passable sound quality.  however, all bose products are ridiculously overpriced.    for the prices they charge, one can get speakers that perform much better.  take the bose 901.  they cost around $1500 list.  for that kind of money, i could buy a pair of b&w 705 speakers or a pair of the revel m20 speakers or a pair of the definitive powermonitor 700 s.  and any of these speakers will blow the doors off the 901.

i also use a pair of acoustic energy aego two sub/satellite speakers for a kitchen audio system.  they only cost me a little over $200 (bought them directly from the us distributor on ebay).   and they sound way better than the bose acoustimass ripoffs that cost several times more.
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: lazeeb0y on Jul 31, 2004 at 08:50 AM
301's sound great on my current HT setup. but i admit it's too expensive for the price that i bought it. if i had known better then, i would've gotten an all polkaudio speaker setup.

no regrets, though. just charged it to experience(and unfortunately, my mastercard too!).   ;D
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: AudioAmp on Aug 04, 2004 at 10:50 AM
There have been a lotof negative things written and said about bose but i personally think speaker preferences are subjective.  I know a couple (only two ok) people who swear that bose are the best sounding speakers.

Objectively thought there are other brands that have better - 1) materials (boses uses paper cones i think)  2) workmanship; which translates to better value for money.  All we are saying is, for the same amount you can get a better pair of speakers than bose.

Ultimately, listen listen and listen.  Let your ears decide.

BTW - i agree bose is ONE HELL of a marketing company.  Hats off to them
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: av_phile1 on Aug 04, 2004 at 12:42 PM
Speaker performance may be subjective but there are things like pricing, craftmanship, materials, design and laboratory measurements that belong in the realm of objective science.  And if common observation fails to confirm these things as being reasonable for the sale price being demanded by the manufacturer, then you won't hear the end of it from knowledgeable experts and consumers whose only bjective, rightly or wrongly, is to try their level best to inform so that the consumers get the proper value of any commodity they have paid for in the context of what the competition has to offer. 
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: JT on Feb 22, 2005 at 04:19 PM
Not sure whether you've read this already ...

http://www.perrymarshall.com/marketing/bose.htm

Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: aHobbit on Feb 22, 2005 at 05:09 PM
Not sure whether you've read this already ...

http://www.perrymarshall.com/marketing/bose.htm



I envy BOSE!  ::)

As always, it is the WAF -Wife acceptance factor!  ;D

I think BOSE is not alone - what about speaker cable company like monster?  ;D 

The WILL-BUY-WHAT-I-WANT buyer from WILL-SELL-WHAT-YOU-WANT seller economics !  ;)

Hey, me and my audiophile friends do not look for speaker with flat response! We look for speakers with listenable musical sounds!  ;D
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 22, 2005 at 06:19 PM
Putting it more bluntly and barbarically, a marketing guru said that Marketing is the Art of creating market demand for Garbage.  I agree.  If you can sell  garbage,  you can sell anything.  Great products often sell by themsevles, by word of mouth.  But it takes great marketing savvy and brillance to creat market demand for a product that's garbage.  ;D

Nope. I disagree with that article quoted above.

Bose is not successful because it has created a product the customer wants.  It is sucessful because it successfully caters to the ignorance and misinformed values of the customer.  Its manipulative advertising claims, giving dubious engineering breakthroughs that no self-respecting audio engineer recognizes,  further fan the interest of such ignorance.   It is indeed unfortunate that the audio industry is not fully regulated as it should.  The only government agency that does some form of regulating is the FTC in the US.  But even that is confined to power rating of amplifiers on a limited scale that many HT receivers easily thwart.  None in speakers.  Certainly none in  cables (that's another  unregulated industry full of BS hypes and snake oils that pander to the ignorance of many.)

Forums such as audioholics.com have been established to unmask such deceptions, to reveal the truth behind the products foisted in the industry.  In a way I hope PinoyDVD does the same for local audiophiles.  
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: Chito C. on Feb 22, 2005 at 06:27 PM
My brother gave me his bose accoustimass 3 about 2 years ago since he upgraded his surrounds to mission speakers. I wasn't into pinoydvd then and just dreamt of having those cute 5.1 cubed speakers being sold at the appliance centers. My previous ht set-up was a nextabse dvd player connected to my sony mini-component with matching stands for my big bookshelf speakers. This was what I was looking for since my wife was expecting our first born and was afraid that our kid would have an accident with the bookshelf speaker when he grows up. As expected from a newbie, I was very happy with the bose setup (using the sony mini-compo as my amp)thinking how could 2 cubed speakers could sound so loud and good. About a month or two after that, I connected my sony speakers with my old pioneer mini compo and started listening to my cd's, I then noticed that after the initial awe of having the bose, the sony bookshelfs are even better. Tried to switch back to my old set-up but wifey liked the bose set-up better mainly due to the limited space in our room. Just sharing my experience with bose.
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: RU9 on Feb 23, 2005 at 07:39 AM
Review of BOSE 301:

http://positive-feedback.com/Issue17/bose301.htm

Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 23, 2005 at 10:02 AM
Review of BOSE 301:

http://positive-feedback.com/Issue17/bose301.htm



Excellent writing specimen of saying YES when you actually mean NO.   ;D  The author refers to it as "backhanded" compliments for BOSE.  OThers might refer to it as sarcasm.  I particularly like the way the Bose reminded him of early black and white Playboy magz.  It titilates, but falls short of fidelity. 
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: 5Speed on Feb 23, 2005 at 11:48 AM
I like Bose (acoustimass series) for their looks, but never for their sound quality. A friend of mine way back in the early 90's use to brag about his Bose speakers (AM-5 ?? I already forgot the model) saying it is the best sounding audio gear hes ever have....I was quite excited  at that time in hearing one of those out of its showroom and requested an audition on his place...after listening so some of his cd's mainly jazz, rock, and pop music...I was not impressed at all, true it looks gorgeous and smart looking...

After a while I ask him if its okay with him if I bring our old Pioneer Integrated Amp and its  two big 3-way speakers to his house just to compare with his Bose, since I've told him that we want to upgrade our old Pioneers to a newer stereo gear provided that the newer one should sound much better... He happily obliged telling me that in no time we will be hurrying to buy a Bose acoustimass system.. I brought my older brother with me, since it is him who bought that Pioneer way back in 1981.. we use my friends cd player w/c at that time was a mid price sony player....

Our pioneer stays with us until early 2001, (20 yrs of service!!) even though we already acquired a Denon and a Roger set of speakers in 97.... My friend, after that audio showdown stop bragging about his Bose, and buy himself a Pioneer AVR and an Infinity speakers in 95, after being so happy with his Bose for few months and hating it for almost 2 yrs after hearing our old and heavy pioneer.....hehehehe The time when he invited me to hear his pioneer/infinity setup, he told me that after we left with our gears that night, he want to swap his bose to our old pioneers, he told me that he felt sorry that he spend a fortune to buy those things while at that price he can even buy a Sansui integrated amp with a matching JBL speakers with some more money to spare.....hahahaha I've  told him no way...we loved that one since it is my brother's very first audio acquisition with his own money.... and we miss that hefty pioneer, a very simple good sounding amp, no dsp, no tantalizing leds that flickers through a dim litted nights, no gimmicks, just a pure stereo sounding amp that will accompany us on those sleepless nights where playing music is our only companion, to relax and appreciate those talented artist who produce a good piece....

just my share..... peace...
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: aHobbit on Feb 23, 2005 at 01:14 PM
My brother gave me his bose accoustimass 3 about 2 years ago since he upgraded his surrounds to mission speakers. I wasn't into pinoydvd then and just dreamt of having those cute 5.1 cubed speakers being sold at the appliance centers. My previous ht set-up was a nextabse dvd player connected to my sony mini-component with matching stands for my big bookshelf speakers. This was what I was looking for since my wife was expecting our first born and was afraid that our kid would have an accident with the bookshelf speaker when he grows up. As expected from a newbie, I was very happy with the bose setup (using the sony mini-compo as my amp)thinking how could 2 cubed speakers could sound so loud and good. About a month or two after that, I connected my sony speakers with my old pioneer mini compo and started listening to my cd's, I then noticed that after the initial awe of having the bose, the sony bookshelfs are even better. Tried to switch back to my old set-up but wifey liked the bose set-up better mainly due to the limited space in our room. Just sharing my experience with bose.

I assume your wife preveailed over you on the use of BOSE!  ;D

Once I tried inviting one of my friend to have a listen with my system the classic Halllelujah Chorus Concert . . . his answer was, why, do yoou have BOSE sound at home already.  ???   So I changed the topic.  ;D I dont have the Rongxin 89dv that time that will sound better than BOSE!  ;D
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: Chito C. on Feb 23, 2005 at 01:44 PM
I assume your wife preveailed over you on the use of BOSE! ;D

Nope! Upgraded to daichi euros 8 speakers last month (funny thing when I said "upgraded" when the speaker I bought is cheaper (5k only) than the bose set). Was forced to do it coz I wasn't satisfied with my set-up. Wifey initially balked at the size of the speakers but is now satisfied with it even telling me that she could hear sounds not heard before.


Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 23, 2005 at 05:14 PM
Nope! Upgraded to daichi euros 8 speakers last month (funny thing when I said "upgraded" when the speaker I bought is cheaper (5k only) than the bose set).

You upgrade to improve the sound.  Not necessarily to spend more.   ;D  Though most of the time, it will require more. 

If you still have a 1978 Sony Betamax costing P20,000 at that time (when the exchange rate was only 1: 4) getting a Nextbase DVD player now would be an upgrade.  At a ridiculous fraction of the selling price of that Betamax converted to today's value.   ;D
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: JT on Mar 11, 2005 at 10:42 AM
Just sharing ...

http://liquidtheater.com/editorial_56.html

http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html

Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: av_phile1 on Mar 11, 2005 at 12:12 PM
There's an anecdote on the net I came across in the past that stuck in my mind.  It's about a filthy rich man and his speakers and goes something like this:

I have Wilson Audio speakers for the master's bedroom.  Coincident Triumphs for the den.  B&W  for the kid's playroom.  Missions for the butler.  Alpine and Nakamichis for the cars.  And BOSE for the dog house.  Among the occupants in my large house,  only the dogs can't appreciate the sounds coming from their speakers.  Bose apparently can't reproduce the 15khz and up commands recorded from a dog whistle training CD.  I eventually upgraded to Boston satellites at half the price.   The bose cubes made excellent chew toys for the puppies though.   
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: 5Speed on Mar 11, 2005 at 01:26 PM
harharharhar.....!!!!
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: JT on Mar 11, 2005 at 02:19 PM
Actually, dapat yata nating suportahan itong speaker na ito kasi ang materials na ginamit ay Manila Hemp.  Tama nga ba ako ???







Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: turismo1997 on Mar 18, 2005 at 08:11 PM
mga bro,

meron kasi akong bose accousstimas 10 series III, me problema ba kung ikabit ko for the meantime ito sa marantz sr7500 or yamaha rx-v1500. please help.. eventually papalitan ko rin ito pag me funds na ulit...thanks
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: YrNeH on Mar 19, 2005 at 05:29 AM
mga bro,

meron kasi akong bose accousstimas 10 series III, me problema ba kung ikabit ko for the meantime ito sa marantz sr7500 or yamaha rx-v1500. please help.. eventually papalitan ko rin ito pag me funds na ulit...thanks
wala naman bro, basta ikabit mo lang ng tama. :)
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: zap|JDM on Mar 19, 2005 at 03:49 PM
There's an anecdote on the net I came across in the past that stuck in my mind.  It's about a filthy rich man and his speakers and goes something like this:

I have Wilson Audio speakers for the master's bedroom.  Coincident Triumphs for the den.  B&W  for the kid's playroom.  Missions for the butler.  Alpine and Nakamichis for the cars.  And BOSE for the dog house.  Among the occupants in my large house,  only the dogs can't appreciate the sounds coming from their speakers.  Bose apparently can't reproduce the 15khz and up commands recorded from a dog whistle training CD.  I eventually upgraded to Boston satellites at half the price.   The bose cubes made excellent chew toys for the puppies though.   

thats funny..wawa naman BOSE.
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: levi on Jun 29, 2005 at 08:56 PM
bump
Title: Re: Bose Lifestyle 15
Post by: ianmorales on Jul 20, 2005 at 11:52 PM
jackryan- do you want a speaker that looks and sound the same or even better than the Bose Lifestyle 15?  I can have it done for you for a (ehem) cheaper price.  If you went to the marathon, I had a sample of a Bose 901 clone there wailing!  Just PM me or something and we can talk about it. ;D
    what kind of speakers are you going to use, does the sound like 901?
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: ganicru on Sep 02, 2005 at 04:21 PM
I still keep my all Bose HT dedicated system. Acoustimass 7 for LCR and Model 100 (mounted on the ceiling) for the surround. I just added a powered subwoofer located at the rear of watching/ listening area to add more slam/punch. Happy with it for the clear sound and small space they occupies and of course the cute look of the cubes. Iba ang dating eh!
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: bonzai on Oct 05, 2005 at 01:41 AM
does anyone here selling a bracket for accustimass?

mura lang ha....

pls contact me 6814301   09193656328
Title: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Nov 21, 2005 at 12:29 AM
Hello there folks,

I am a registered owner of BOSE speakers here in the Philippines and I guess its time to share out the real deal. This is to help our fellow hobbyist before purchasing BOSE.

Bose owners, Post your comments and suggestion’s here. We have the right to say something about these loudspeakers because we actually heard and experienced using them.

To start it all, here is the list of speakers I formerly owned from BOSE;

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Acoustimass 5 series 3 – 2 swiveling cube speakers, magnetically shielded and has a little bit of weight. The bass module is not shielded and made of laminated MDF particle board, scratch proof. Rated at 200Wpc max, also made in Mexico, how bout frequency response? “NO IDEA”, but still I purchased this speakers from Eleksis in SM Megamall. It is originally priced at Php.25T and got a 5% discount because I paid it in cash, when I auditioned it a few times before I made my purchase. It really got my attention about the clarity and the design. It is small enough to fit my living room and loud enough to make my office mates mumble about its size vs. performance. It matched it with my YAMAHA RXV995 and boy it really sounded so sweet without the ear fatigue. Parties come and go in my place and my friend’s keeps coming back just to hear my AM5. Then I got the idea of adding a Lexus digital mic mixer for videoke. And from then on, we always have series of gathering and event’s in my place even without any occasion, just for the fun of singing. Then my urge to complete my HT 5.1 speakers come to arise. I finally scouted for additional BOSE speakers, after auditioning a few it came to my attention that due to limited model for 5.1 speakers I have no choice but to add only…       

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VCS10 – 2 twiddler drivers mounted in one ergonomically designed plastic enclosure, rated at a total 100W max, again no idea about its frequency. It is only one BOSE speaker that can be purchased solely for the use of a center speaker, in which, I purchased from ambassador app. in Glorieta, Makati. The first time I auditioned it, I’m not amused by its performance. It sounded flat and no dynamic frequency response, to make it short, the sound is the way that it looks, a loud speaker in a plastic box similar to a multimedia speakers, but due to its design and brand, I bought it, thinking it would perfectly matched my AM5, then the scouting for 5.1 goes on… until I also purchased…     

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Model 100 – each has a single full range star driver mounted again in an ergonomically designed plastic enclosure, rated at 80Wpc max, again no frequency specification. This is a surround speakers in which I also thought would blend and sound good when I complete my HT speakers…

So when I finally got all the speakers hooked up with my RXV995 and hear it, surprisingly I was very very disappointed. AM5 has no problem, but my right surround model 100 speaker was damaged. I forgot to set my surround setting into “small” and when BOSE replaced it, still I was very disappointed, I already set my surround to small, but still I can hear the plastic grill rumble and making unwanted noise, BOSE told me to minimize the volume of my surround, but when I adjust it to a minimum, I can’t hear it anymore.

Anyways when a dialog from a movie comes out from my VCS10, it sounded more like a voice coming from a plastic pail or should I describe it similar from a plastic multimedia speaker’s.

So when timbre matching problem started to become a “REAL” big problem, I started to contact the main BOSE service by E-mail. Telling them the problem I encountered. I asked them if ever they would produce a separate cube speakers that can stand alone without the aid of the bass module and can be bought individually. My reason for this is for expansion use. I also asked them if ever they would market out a powered bass module for the use on sub out or LFE. Guess what they told me? They told me that they will some how ask their Engineers to research about it.

I guess BOSE didn’t see the future of Audio industry and still they keep on developing speakers that has a limited expansion or they don’t manufacture speakers according to ISO/BPS (International Standard Org. / Bureau of Products Standardization).

When I finally realized this problem, I started to think about the limitations of this BOSE product’s and began to conclude that it is impossible to meet the demands of my HT, so I decided to sell the whole BOSE speakers for Php. 35T, fortunately my officemate bought it and used for his Videoke.

Then my obsession for BOSE didn’t stop, I maintained my Videoke and bought… 

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(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/hanns76/402c.jpg)

BOSE professional 402 – priced at Php. 31T after a few bargaining at ANG Brothers in Raon, each enclosure is weather proof and has a 4 full range speakers mounted in articulated array. And this time BOSE gave the frequency response 90 Hz to 16 kHz at 120Wpc RMS, but again a barrier arise, the 402 can’t be used without the 402c system controller, so I bought it for Php.15T. I matched it with my power amp QSC MX-700, it sounded good but it lacked bass frequency. So again I sold it.

My final word is “before you buy BOSE products better audition more, because there are more out there better than this product’s, but don’t get me wrong if you’re still in love with BOSE then get one but for me I’ve learned my lesson now”.

                   
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aldrinpsx on Nov 21, 2005 at 12:54 AM
(http://www.bose.com/images/home_entertainment/products/p_ls28_m_b.jpg)


I owned this before..BOSE Lifestyle® 28 Series II DVD system.(On sale for $1,200 with 2 yrs no interest/no payment.)

The system came well documented with everything needed for a complete set-up. This made assembly and dis-assembly very easy. We watched 10 DVD's. It "hung" on two DVD's. The power of the system was very disappointing. We had the volume control near maximum to hear well. The bass was very weak. The highs and surround sound feeling were pretty good. The price you are paying for the Bose speakers are just for the fact that they are small and easily conceilable, not because they have the best sound (because they don't) or because they look great (because they don't).


   We returned the system believing we could find something comparable.IMHO.....My advice? Get something else. ;D ;D ;D ;D


peace!!!!
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: dimple_guy0619 on Nov 21, 2005 at 09:05 AM
I have a BOSE 601 Series III, (200 watts RMS/ channel) .I bought it in Riyadh, K.S.A.  yr 1992..... What Can I say? It Still Working Properly with Great Bass and sound......


(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5333/bose601seriesiiimn0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

Bose 601 Series III Direct/Reflecting Loudspeaker System;

The 601 Series III system delivers full, lifelike, spacious sound from attractive, floor standing enclosures. Its combination of reflected and direct sound allows placement flexibility and provides high fidelity musical enjoyment comparable to any other manufacturer's top-of-the-line speaker system.

The Free Space tweeter array precisely distributes high-frequency sound energy for accurate stereo imaging throughout your room. Dual Digital Dynamic Range woofers and a Dual Frequency crossover network provide well-defined bass response and overall smoothness.

Features

    * Direct/Reflecting system design
    * Free Space array
    * Subport enclosure system with slotted port
    * Digital Dynamic Range woofers
    * Dual Frequency crossover network
    * Automatic woofer protection circuit
    * Syncom II computer quality control
    * Acoustically transparent grille assembly (removable)
    * Full five-year warranty


Technical Data

 *     Driver complement (per enclosure)  -   Two 8'' long-excursion Digital Dynamic Range woofers and         
                                                                       four 3'' tweeters mounted in a Free Space array
 *     Nominal impedance                      -     8 Ohms
 *     Power rating                                     -     200 watts IEC, compatible with amplifiers/receivers rated 
                                                                       from 10 to 350 watts per channel
 *     Fusing                                                -     Series-connected 2A fast-blow fuse recommended
 *     Cabinets                                      -     Genuine hardwood veneer with walnut finish
 *     Dimensions                                    -    30''H x 12 3/16''W x 12 1/2''D (30.89 x 31.75 x 76.2 cm)
  *    Weight                                             -   45 lbs (20.41 kg) per speaker
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Nov 21, 2005 at 12:43 PM

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/hanns76/402.jpg)
(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/hanns76/402c.jpg)

BOSE professional 402 – priced at Php. 31T after a few bargaining at ANG Brothers in Raon, each enclosure is weather proof and has a 4 full range speakers mounted in articulated array. And this time BOSE gave the frequency response 90 Hz to 16 kHz at 120Wpc RMS, but again a barrier arise, the 402 can’t be used without the 402c system controller, so I bought it for Php.15T. I matched it with my power amp QSC MX-700, it sounded good but it lacked bass frequency. So again I sold it.

Wow, P31T for a speaker pair that only has a 90hz to 16khz bandwidth.  Even a Dai-ichi bookshelf costing a tenth of that has a wider bandwidth.   :o

And you have to use a "system controller" that is just an equalizer with power amps. Tsk Tsk... For a total of 46T, you could have gotten any one of those great sounding speaker brands in the mid-price points.  With Bose, it seems the word "overprice" takes on very obnoxious and contemptible meaning. 

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My final word is “before you buy BOSE products better audition more, because there are more out there better than this product’s, but don’t get me wrong if you’re still in love with BOSE then get one but for me I’ve learned my lesson now”.



Congrats on your enlightenment.  Better late than never.  I must say, your lesson has been expensively learned the hard way.   

Bose are actually good speakers.  If only they were priced not to mock and insult the market. 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Nov 21, 2005 at 01:29 PM
Oo nga sir av_phile, it really made my head hurts and my pocket empty...

Sana hindi na maka biktima ang BOSE sa over priced speakers nila... too late para magsisi na din, Anyways now im scouting for a better AV, I'm eyeing my friend's 2nd hand RXV995 pero im thingking on a brand new RXV750 my budget is around Php. 20T, coz I already sold my RXV995 before bago ako mag seaman and I'm planning to buy local speakers kahit Dai-chi nalang or KonZert, medyo mabigat yung kursunada ko rito sa Amsterdam B&W DM303. 

This coming December ang baba ko sa barko, can you advised me kung ano magandang local speakers with sub, my budget is around Php.18T coz im still confused kung ako local speakers and maganda hirap kasi magkaroon ng after shock after BOSE eh hehehe! anyways sana this time makabili ako ng speakers na good deal...         
 
 
 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Nov 21, 2005 at 06:16 PM
Oo nga sir av_phile, it really made my head hurts and my pocket empty...

Sana hindi na maka biktima ang BOSE sa over priced speakers nila... too late para magsisi na din, Anyways now im scouting for a better AV, I'm eyeing my friend's 2nd hand RXV995 pero im thingking on a brand new RXV750 my budget is around Php. 20T, coz I already sold my RXV995 before bago ako mag seaman and I'm planning to buy local speakers kahit Dai-chi nalang or KonZert, medyo mabigat yung kursunada ko rito sa Amsterdam B&W DM303. 

This coming December ang baba ko sa barko, can you advised me kung ano magandang local speakers with sub, my budget is around Php.18T coz im still confused kung ako local speakers and maganda hirap kasi magkaroon ng after shock after BOSE eh hehehe! anyways sana this time makabili ako ng speakers na good deal...         
 



If you like the B&W 303 series, I think medyo mura siya dito sa pinas compared with the prices in Europe and the net. There are many brands that are quite expensive when retailed on the net or in the US or Europe.  But they are are surprisingly very affordable here.  Wharfedale, B&W and Mordaunt-SHorts are a few I can think of.  Most of their entry level models are made in China and end up here.  Wharfedale Daimond series is one very good example whose pricing is quite high overseas than here, often at par with B&W prices when the same model is just a fraction of the price here.  I think your 18T can buy you a great set of 5-channel speakers.  Getting a powered sub will cost a little more.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Nov 21, 2005 at 09:23 PM

If you like the B&W 303 series, I think medyo mura siya dito sa pinas compared with the prices in Europe and the net. There are many brands that are quite expensive when retailed on the net or in the US or Europe.  But they are are surprisingly very affordable here.  Wharfedale, B&W and Mordaunt-SHorts are a few I can think of.  Most of their entry level models are made in China and end up here.  Wharfedale Daimond series is one very good example whose pricing is quite high overseas than here, often at par with B&W prices when the same model is just a fraction of the price here.  I think your 18T can buy you a great set of 5-channel speakers.  Getting a powered sub will cost a little more.

Thanks Sir av_phile1, very reliable ka talaga, Sir sa local brand kaya ano ang magandang brand at performance? 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Nov 22, 2005 at 09:56 AM
When you're here, do check out the av shops in Glorietta, Megamall and Shangri-la Plaza.  If you want affordable speakers with excellent value, there's Wharfedale, Polk Audio, Mordaunt-Short, Gale, to mention a few imported ones and even the locally based Dai-ichi.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Nov 22, 2005 at 11:21 AM
Hi!
      I still maintain using my full Bose Home theater set up. Acoustimass 7 for the LCR fronts, Model 100 for the rear. 10 years of service na. I'm still happy with it. In yr 2000, my Bass module got damaged and the local supplier replaced the 2 drivers free of charge, 5 year warranty kasi.  Bought the AM7 in 1995 for P24K. Powered by Onkyo AVR.

       Bose performance is dependent on room  configuration, try to imitate the showroom set up and you'll maximise its potential. I add up a powered sub woofer to enhance the movie explosion scenes.
       But for music only, I have another set-up.
Just me.


Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Nov 22, 2005 at 03:17 PM
Actually, the Bose satellite cubes and sub can be fine and impressive in HT.   The one caveat against this particualr Bose model is really the pricing issue.  I mean 25T for 2" paper cone speakers on small plastic cubes????   ???
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Nov 22, 2005 at 03:26 PM
I tried to open the bass module once and you'll be surprise of the electronic components inside, daig pa ang circuit board ng amplifier. I believe this is what we are paying for not for the paper driver. Remember their sales proposition " Better Sound Thru Research" and I Salute them for this.

Just me again.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 22, 2005 at 03:41 PM
I tried to open the bass module once and you'll be surprise of the electronic components inside, daig pa ang circuit board ng amplifier. I believe this is what we are paying for not for the paper driver. Remember their sales proposition " Better Sound Thru Research" and I Salute them for this.

Just me again.

Hi ganicru.

Don't you think that the bass module need not be that complicated?
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Nov 22, 2005 at 04:07 PM
I don't want to play know all, but the bass module handles all the load of distributing the sound to the left right and center speaker to simulate the movie theater experience. Imagine the little cube speakers delivering gigantic sound effects, given the advantage of not crowding your room with big speakers. I just mount them on my wall and ceiling. Sound coming from everywhere in the room, really a space saver. One can just focus on the big TV screen (36 in. Wega TV) and wonder where the sound is coming.

Just me again.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 22, 2005 at 04:12 PM
Ok :) Thanks :)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Nov 22, 2005 at 04:13 PM
I tried to open the bass module once and you'll be surprise of the electronic components inside, daig pa ang circuit board ng amplifier. I believe this is what we are paying for not for the paper driver. Remember their sales proposition " Better Sound Thru Research" and I Salute them for this.

Just me again.

Well, if you buy into all that proposition, I must salute you too.   ;D  I guess, if you're happy with your investment, good for you.  I certainly won't be the one to burst your bubble. ;D  Happy listening.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: rmpmla on Nov 22, 2005 at 04:22 PM
used to own 901 and model100

the model 100 was used as surround kaya kang nagra-rattle yung plastic enclosure kaya dispose ko.

the 901 i had was just sold to a fellow pinoydvd member. this speaker will sing as long as you use high powered amp and an equalizer. mas emphasized ang mids and had to drive at loud volume to appreciate it. pang bagong taon baga  ;D. had to sold coz i seldom played loud music (almost once a year lang).

ang natira sa akin yung bose 401 floorstander. was planning to replace it with B&W602 but after testing both. had to retain the bose 401.

sa presyo e hindi naman ako talo, kasi the total cost of the pre-owned 100,401 and 901 is about P14,000.  :)

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Nov 22, 2005 at 04:23 PM
That's the bottom line... be happy! ;) What ever brand it is.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: cHiNo2728 on Nov 22, 2005 at 06:19 PM
We have the AcoustiMass 6. Its great for a small sala. The sub when placed in a corner will be enough to pound the room. The clarity of it whether in music or HT is very good to my amateur ears. Plus, everytime someone asks about our HT setups, they are always surprised about how such a loud sound can come from such a small package.

I guess that's good enough for me. Just my two cents.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Nov 22, 2005 at 07:10 PM
Pansin ko lang, guy's that has been impressed by BOSE are those guys who like fascination huh?

Coz, I think BOSE are more on the design hindi yung use, kase paano kung mag uupgrade ka from 5.1 to 7.1 eh ang pinaka highest model nila sa HT is AM16, 6.1 lang yun so again mahihirapan ka nanaman mag configure nito. you cant even use high grade RCA's dahil iba ang connectors nila.

plus do you know the price ng AM16? almost Php. 80T WOWOWEEE!!!  too much for speakers.

And by the way yung nag post here na nag bukas ng AM bass module niya, take note, binuksan ko rin yung AM5 ko before selling it. Reality lang ibang-iba ang circuit ng AM5 Bass module na binebenta nila against dun sa naka display na plexiglass nila, "IBANG-IBA" trust me.     
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Roy Aceja Uy on Nov 22, 2005 at 08:35 PM
I have the AM6 na 5.1 lang ang kaya. the reason i switched to bose is simply because i have a small sala. 6.1 nga ang ampli ko but i had to sacrifice. Ok naman ang sound but mas maganda syempre yung dati ko na AE tapos polk audio sub. namiss ko tuloy!! :'(
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: alfa on Nov 22, 2005 at 10:45 PM
For my small den i use a Bose AM-6 setup powered by a Yamaha. RXV-740 Its small, unobtrusive and serves its purpose.

For another room we use a 301 (that i bought years ago) its still working.

But for serious music only I use my Sonus Fabers on the tubes
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: oweidah on Nov 23, 2005 at 07:03 AM
hi 2 all bossings! kabayan jfbagadiong thanx for sharing your bose experience. sana next time around ok na ang mabili mo audio/ht system. marami-rami na rin mapagpipilian dito sa manila but i stil suggest U spend time to audition at nang mabili mo yung tugma sa taste mo. kasi pag nakatutok ka lang sa isang brand baka pag nakabili ka na at may marinig na ibang brand kaiba ang tunog, palit agad. anyway....

i dont own/havent owned bose speakers. But early 80s when i started in this hobby puro bose na ang naririnig ko bukangbibig ng mga pinoy- bose 301 at 901 etc. that time its either the japanese brands components (pioneer sansui kenwood) brought in by the ofws or the american brands (bose a.r..). What turned me off sa bose as well as other speakers that use foam surrounds is madali mag-foam rot. just walk sa raon bangketa dami speaker repair foam surrounds- makikita mo bose. but why pinoys still go for bose? Mental coloniality? o maganda ang porma at magaling come-on ad na "directreflecting"?

fastforward 90s upto now, in my experience as ofw, pag napag-usapan ang audio preference laging may maririnig ako bose ...at pmpo. ganyan kalakas ang hatak ng bose esp. sa mga ofw. May isa ko kasama after seeing hearing and praising my audio/ht setup, reading my what hifi and hifi news mags, pagdating nga bilihan, bose AM10 pa rin ang binili. and i respectd his decision. siya ang makikinig, hindi ako.

ganyan talaga sa hobby na eto, kung saan ka maligaya doon ka!

just my mamera :)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 23, 2005 at 08:26 PM
Sa hobby na ito, hindi lang ears ang nagde-decide. Marami ring ibang factors. Sari-saring factors.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Nov 23, 2005 at 08:34 PM
Totoo yan oweidah, dito sa mga kasama ko sa barko almost lahat fans ng Bose, but after telling them my stories medyo nag iiba na ng taste, at marami sa kasama ko rito very interested sa HT kaya ayun I give them advise. yung isa ko nga kasama hindi pa nadala sa Bose at bumili po rito sa St. Martin sa US ng BOSE multi media speakers USD120 and price, match niya sa MD player niya. sabi ko dapat nag JBL at ipod nalang siya, ayun ang sisi at pilit binebenta yung BOSE niya. its a big lesson for him. 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: oweidah on Nov 23, 2005 at 08:40 PM
Sa hobby na ito, hindi lang ears ang nagde-decide. Marami ring ibang factors. Sari-saring factors.
#1 - pera, budget #2 - ears #3 - porma/aesthetics #4 cappricio ..wat else? tech specs? ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JT on Nov 23, 2005 at 08:49 PM
#1 - pera, budget #2 - ears #3 - porma/aesthetics #4 cappricio ..wat else? tech specs? ;D

For the married ones, WAF is the ultimate factor.

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: oweidah on Nov 23, 2005 at 09:01 PM
For the married ones, WAF is the ultimate factor.
opkors she d bose!?  ;D WAF- hiwalay kung hiwalay = biwire!? sayo ang HT akin ang audio! ;D

sir jfbagadiong, sadya p0 ganyan talaga ang panlasa ng pinoy! keep on sailing!!! :)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 24, 2005 at 05:18 AM
#1 - pera, budget #2 - ears #3 - porma/aesthetics #4 cappricio ..wat else? tech specs? ;D

Peer pressure, brand perception.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: oweidah on Nov 24, 2005 at 10:14 AM
Peer pressure,
delikado p0 b et0? nakakahawa parang bird flue? birds of the same feather......... ;D

to bose speaker owners, pwede p0 malaman if hindi na nagkakaproblema sa cone edge/ surrounds ng new models? thanx
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Nov 24, 2005 at 10:36 AM
#1 - pera, budget #2 - ears #3 - porma/aesthetics #4 cappricio ..wat else? tech specs? ;D

Many times, a little research can assist decision making in our purchases.  Especially when such purchases require relatively more funds than normal.  Finding reviews and comments on the internet about certain products we may be targetting is not that hard.  It's called due diligence - finding out the most we can about what we want to buy.  Forums like this is another channel.  They should help members identify and distignuish products with excellent value from those with less.   Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Nov 24, 2005 at 04:08 PM
If I were knowledgeable enough nung time na yun, sana nag JBL nalang ako, ang target ko lang naman that time are speakers that are loud and clear, tapos usable both HT at audio listening at 3rd na lang yung size. coz I were sinful enough to spend that much money, kaya ayun na biktima at the same time wala pang nag aadvise about BOSE products, pero now I can say pag dating sa HT at audio listening eh hindi ako nahuhuli, may mga pointers na akong tinitignan lalong-lalo na sa expandability like 5.1 to 7.1.

When I had those BOSE AM5, hindi ko alam kung paano i-upgrade dahil ang hirap mag timbre match ng speakers lalong-lalo na sa subwoofer, HAY! TAKE MY WORD FOR IT ANG HIRAP MAG MATCH NG SUBWOOFER sa BOSE, I've tried GanzKlar, Dyanquest pero hindi parin maganda ang lumabas, ang layo ng bakanteng tunog from those cube to bass module to subwoofer, halatang-halata yung nawawalang effects sa movies.

Nag audition ako ng speakers right after maibenta ko yung BOSE speakers and my friend has told me to hear Definitive technology. He bought Pro 80 with sub and I just gave him my free Dai-ichi center speaker nung binili niya yung RXV995 ko. at WOW very very stunning performance ang Pro80 very detailed ang tunog compared sa BOSE AM5, when we watched this particular movie "Saving private ryan" yung tunong ng squeeching!!! wheels ng tanks nung sinugod na ng mga Germans sila Tomhanks, oh! boy! kala mo masasagasaan ka sa tunog. and yung detalye ng passing bullet talagang ang lupit! hindi ko narinig sa BOSE ang narinig ko sa Definitive Pro 80  at kung ikukumpara mo, almost the same ang size nila at mas cheaper pa ang pro 80.

Then we tried the corrs CD ang lupit talaga kahit sa audio, yung pro sub 80 niya kahit nasalabas na kami, gumagapang yung vibration sa walls ng bahay nila, hindi ko nga akalain na ganun ang kayang iproduce na power nun eh.

But there's one thing that bother's me, coz several times yung friend ko nagpasamang ipa-repair yung pro-sub at pro-80 niya may problema daw. na o-over power ng RXV995 at may design fault yata ang definitive tech nung time na yun, kaya hindi na muna ako bumili. Biniro ko pa nga yung friend ko, I told him the right name for your speakers are Defective Technology hehehe!, but I think Def. Tech. has corrected this problem at galing talaga ng service nila, my friend's pro-cinema are like new speakers at mukhang naging much detailed at powerful pa after the repairs.

For those who seek HT at audio listening, better try listening to other products than BOSE, coz when I analyze the sound at i-compare sa local brand, mukhang maganda pa yata ang dai-ichi compare sa BOSE with less the price eh hehehe! just for my thought.

P.S. - Hello to all SGS employees specially SGS MLO batch 96-2002, happy HT at audio listening sa inyo!!!   
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JT on Nov 24, 2005 at 04:31 PM
I have nothing against BOSE because I dont have BOSE.  So oks lang kami ...

BTW. Can someone comment on their headphones? 

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Nov 24, 2005 at 04:54 PM
I have nothing against BOSE because I dont have BOSE.  So oks lang kami ...

BTW. Can someone comment on their headphones? 



I think I saw a pic of one of their headphoes.  They look nice.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Nov 25, 2005 at 10:15 AM
Yung AM5 yata hindi design for HT. Mine is AM7 with 3 cubes for LCF, Model 100 for my rear. Hanep naman sa Saving Priv Ryan at sa mga concert DVD's. Dagdag lang ako ng powered sub , Pioneer SW200 (200W), yanig lalo ang buong bahay. Siguro next time sa pagbuo natin ng set-up, make sure kung pang HT or serious audio, Kasi sa palagay ko mahirap talagang humanap ng all-in-one eh, laging may bitin.
Payo lang to.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 25, 2005 at 10:20 AM
...
Kasi sa palagay ko mahirap talagang humanap ng all-in-one eh, laging may bitin.
Payo lang to.

Dagdag ko lang...mahirap humanap ng all-in-one na affordable.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 25, 2005 at 12:57 PM
delikado p0 b et0? nakakahawa parang bird flue? birds of the same feather......... ;D

It's not so bad. If you have 10532 friends telling you that this or that speaker is good then it must good, right? ;)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: vtec3 on Nov 25, 2005 at 02:08 PM
Dati all Bose ang speakers ko for my HT set-up, now yung 3 Series na lang ang ginagamit ko as my surround speaker  ;) The rest of the speakers naka tago na lang   :D

Although I learned naman something from the experience  ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: vtec3 on Nov 25, 2005 at 02:28 PM
My Dad also owns a Bose speaker also bought in the US, wala pang one year nagkaroon ng static and ang sabi pa Fedex daw namin yung speaker para ma repair ngek  >:(
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Nov 25, 2005 at 02:48 PM
Siguro may kanya kanya lang talga tayong taste at definition pag dating sa HT at audio listening, well having the expirience in audio/video for 16 years and even witnessed the turn of events sa audio industry, based on my opinion lang naman between this 2 speakers;

Bose uses full range drivers ang hindi ko lang alam kung dual voice coil ang cubes nila, dahil kung single ended at edgewound according to them not mentioning the materials used for their voice coils, eh I think limited and production ng high notes dahil sa cone excursion for mid bass frequency nito, kaya kung mapapansin mo limitado ang mid frequency at highs nito, yung tipong tailored lang para mahabol ng bass module yung cutoff frequency ng cubes, while...

Definitive Pro 80 naman uses 2 way dedicated drivers sa isang box, isang mid bass range speaker at aluminum dome tweeter, at lahat naman tayo dito ay alam na kung ang speakers mo ay may full array speakers sa isang speaker box ay makakaproduce ito ng tamang notes ng walang kahirap-hirap dahil dedicated ang isat isa (eg. tweeters for highs, mid bass for mid range) tapos yung frequency cut off for low ay hinahabol naman ng subwoofer, so completo ang trabaho. kung baga "mise en plas" every thing is in place before doing the job.

kaya on my final judgement between hearing those two speakers;

BOSE are good tailored speakers, hindi ka nya bibigyan ng ear fatigue, and the designs are really nice hindi siya obstractive sa furniture, ang cons lang naman nito ay price vs materials eh, I think ang binabayaran mo sa BOSE is not only the name it self but the research ng team of engineers sa BOSE kase kakaiba ang mga buffle designs nila.

Definitive tech naman are award winners pag dating sa performance at price kasi you can upgrade or expand yung present def tech, unlike sa bose na limitado, plus the materials are really high end, very traditional ang designs nila may tweeters may mid bass at may low frequency drivers like subwoofer and for years now ang ganitong designs are already well proven na.

kaya still the final word is you ikaw ang end user eh so its your call.

compare this 2:

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/hanns76/AM5.jpg)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/hanns76/PC80new.jpg)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 25, 2005 at 03:06 PM
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I think ang binabayaran mo sa BOSE is not only the name it self but the research ng team of engineers sa BOSE kase kakaiba ang mga buffle designs nila
...

Ang binabayaran sa Bose ay yung napakahusay na Marketing Team nila. As for Bose Research, I don't buy that.

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Nov 25, 2005 at 04:41 PM
Baka magmulto si Dr. Amar Bose. Genius pa naman ito sa speaker. Kaya nga ginaya nung mga students nya at gumawa ng NHT speakers (Now Hear This). Research muna tayo, baka lack of info tayo. More Info ...more solid we can make decisions.

Just me.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: scofield on Nov 25, 2005 at 04:49 PM
ganicru, av_phile1, everyone who owns a bose acoustimas,

please enlighten me...

sirs hindi ko po alam talaga at nagtataka talaga ako kung paano nakakapag produced ng malakas na sound ang napakaliit na mga cube? ang mga cube ba connected sa avr mo or sa subs? pag dinirecta sa avr ang mga cube (hindi pinadaan sa subs) ano po ba ang mang yayari?

kung sa subs naman connected ang mga cube, bakit kailangan pa ng avr? di ba pwede na rin sya irecta sa player?
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Nov 25, 2005 at 05:06 PM
Kailangan mo pa rin ng AVR or amp. Yung speaker out ng AVR ikonek mo sa spkr input ng bass module at yung speaker out ng bass module ikonek mo sa cube spkrs. Bawal ikonek ng derecho yung cubes sa avr, SIRA yun, pag ginawa mo, kasi sa bass module dun tinitimpla yung sound na ipapalabas sa cubes, maraming sirkito sa loob ng bass module kasama nung  2- 5 1/4 inches na woofers.  Walang sirkito sa loob ng cubes kundi parang mumurahing maliliit na transistor radio speakers at bulak, pero, ang lakas tumunog ano! Hindi ba mukhang may utak yung gumawa nito, kaya nga mahal eh.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: scofield on Nov 25, 2005 at 05:20 PM
i see..sound coming out of avr is amplified na? (tama ba ako?) tapos meron pa bang amplification na nangyayari sa loob ng bass module? parang double amplification? kaya ba mlakas? ???
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Nov 25, 2005 at 05:44 PM
Dont get me wrong ganicru, I have nothing agains Bose, me myself had own bose pero kung still amazed ka parin sa technology nito, that is you. pero if your were knowledgeable enough, yung sinasabi mong NHT (now hear this) speakers are array speakers din (eg. Tweeters, midrange bass etc..), kahit student sila ni Dr. Amar Bose in which I have nothing against with eh hindi parin nila ginaya ang design nito. I think your the one who should research more, kasi hindi kaba nag tataka why they didnt use the Bose technology sa NHT nila? instead they design a more efficient and more accurate speakers yung NHT, I myself had auditioned this speakers sa Audiophile sa megamall and Im impressed with its clarity plus the piano glossy style. pero meron silang hindi natutunan kay Dr. Amar Bose "Marketing".

Plus yung sinasabi mong cubes ng Bose?, for your info, walang bulak sa loob ito iho hehehe! kung hindi isang driver tranducers na ang tawag ay tweedler driver hindi transistor radio speakers, it is mounted in a swiveling plastic moulded cube box.

At ang tinatawag mong "sirkito" sa loob ng bass module ay ang simpleng diving network, may utak nga ang gumawa nito pero meron karin, kaya dont be so amused kung ganito ang design nila. inilayo lang nila ang low frequency, dahil non directional ito at pwedeng iderect sa room kahit saan, pero take note "they use a piston like design of buffles" in which yung driver na sinasabi mo 5 1/4 woofers act as a piston. which uses air sa 3 chambers ng bass module, moving away distortion sa cone. plus it uses air to transmit sound in which very much similar or mas kilala bilang bandpass design, hindi kaba nagtataka kapag naka harap ang bass module sa corners ay mas malakas ang bass at pag nakalayo ay decreased bass naman, kasi they use air to transmitt it kaya kung mas kulob ang room mas maganda ang reproduction nito kasi mas compressed ang air environment, try putting it outside, ewan ko lang kung kaya niya ang much larger environment. ever wonder why there are free air design speakers?  

So i hope you now get a little more of their design. kaya dont tell me hindi nila binayaran ang may idea ng technology nito kaya nga ang motto ng BOSE is "better sound through research" eh.

plus dun sa guy na mag kokonect ng cubes directly sa avr "dont do that" if you read the manual carefully kahit high power ang cubes na ito hindi nito kaya ang full array of frequency kaya dapat dumaan siya sa diving network sa loob ng bassmodule. similar din sa mga speaker designs, diba there are diving networks on each channels dedicated for high's-mid-lows.

kaya dont be so amazed kung nahihiwagaan ka kung bakit kahit sa liit ng cubes na ito ay kayang iproduce ang ganun kalakas na power, try hearing Definitive pro 60 baka mas magulat kapa dahil its is not only power ang kayang iproduce nito kung hindi clarity din. at idependent pa ito without the help of any bass module.    

that is true power ang technology in a small package.
      
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Nov 25, 2005 at 06:06 PM
I think BOSE are respectable speakers in terms of audio reproduction, it has been with us for years. since BOSE has invented the 901's. I think their one of the founders of directreflecting speakers in which by the way Defitivetechnolgy uses in their bipolar towers, plus yung subsat system naman I think BOSE din, marami na ang nag immitate ng technology na ito.

BOSE is a good name but marketing ang isang cons nila dahil sa sobrang research ng speakers nila kailangan nilang bawiin ito sa marketing. medyo nalilimutan na nila ang materials. plus yung design ng mga electronics nila masyadong exclusive. hindi ka makapag upgrade o gumamit ng ibang accessories like RCA's. and kung magdadagdag ka ng speakers ay kailangan mong baguhin ang buong system.

My impression on BOSE is monopoly of their own technology similar to products such as branded computers.   
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Weng! on Nov 25, 2005 at 07:46 PM
Plus yung sinasabi mong cubes ng Bose?, for your info, walang bulak sa loob ito iho hehehe! kung hindi isang driver tranducers na ang tawag ay tweedler driver hindi transistor radio speakers, it is mounted in a swiveling plastic moulded cube box.      

i have seen a BOSE cube speaker na binuksan (dahil naghiwalay ang dalawang cube after bumagsak), punong-puno ng fiberfill (bulak) ang loob ng cube.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: vtec3 on Nov 25, 2005 at 10:49 PM
IMHO it is because of the price they sell their speakers why some people who own them feels bad. I still have my Bose speakers and to be honest I felt bad also since I could have bought a better sounding speakers and still have extra cash  ;D

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: synchro_01 on Nov 25, 2005 at 10:54 PM
I have a Bose Lifestyle 12 system and im pretty much happy with its performance. had it for 3 years already and if operated within its capability it provides very good performance for its size. I use it mainly for background music when the family is relaxing on a lazy weekend and it can also do very well in small dinner parties, cocktails and small gatherings. Guests never notice the system until I turn it on because the only component visible in my sala is the main control unit which looks very nice in stunning brushed aluminum finish and it never fails to be a conversation piece when people see it.  The remote control is very handy since I can control the system even if I move around the house....no need to point it to the console.  For the price that I paid for the system Im pretty much satisfied with it.  When I was shopping around for a concealed system the only rival that bested the Lifestyle system in terms of performance was the Anthony Gallo Acoustics Nucleus speakers but what turned me off is that I have to buy an amp+source to power the Gallo system which was the path that I was avoiding in the first place because I didnt want black boxes of electronic components to end up in my sala since they dont go hand in hand with the decor so I ended up getting a Lifestyle12 instead.  

To the uninitiated in Home audio,  the Bose system that I have does provide that "wow" factor but if I do have guests who are kinda picky and say "ay bakit Bose binili mo??....panget yan...sayang pera mo dyan...talo yan sa brand W or brand Y"... I simply explain what I was looking for when I purchased the system and my desired application.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: vtec3 on Nov 25, 2005 at 11:14 PM
I had a chance to stay in Mandarin Bangkok and most of their rooms has the Bose Lifestyle  ;) I was pretty impressed by the way it sounded  ;D ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Nov 25, 2005 at 11:18 PM
i have seen a BOSE cube speaker na binuksan (dahil naghiwalay ang dalawang cube after bumagsak), punong-puno ng fiberfill (bulak) ang loob ng cube.

I myself owned a BOSE AM5 series 3 then at wala ako nakita fiberfill which is pretty much different from "bulak" sa loob ng cubes niya, I would know coz, just for curiosity I opened the grill by pressing the sides of it then tried to screw out the drivers and guess what I saw? the magnet of the driver's is as large as the cones.  :) :) :)  
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: bumblebee on Nov 26, 2005 at 05:31 AM
http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Weng! on Nov 26, 2005 at 07:08 AM
I myself owned a BOSE AM5 series 3 then at wala ako nakita fiberfill which is pretty much different from "bulak" sa loob ng cubes niya, I would know coz, just for curiosity I opened the grill by pressing the sides of it then tried to screw out the drivers and guess what I saw? the magnet of the driver's is as large as the cones.  :) :) :)  

ahhh. baka di na nilagyan ang series 3. sa series 2 meron kasi e.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Nov 26, 2005 at 10:23 AM
am not an owner - but experience listening some of BOSE products...

... they have very good packaging - they know where the money is ... they know what the looks should be for the moneyed people ... they know how it should sound to typical music listeners ... and they know how to market ...

true ... not all, I repeat, not all their products are bad - but all their products sells  ;D thats the bottom line in business

I heard the wave radio - amazing sound at its size. Not really clean sond, but for music listening - can be ...

The cannon sub ... Meralco theater has it - great

the 901 etc etc

the sub-sat model seemed originated from them, all the rest copies!  ;D Almost all audiophile brand has them now (not before) - after they discover it is the trend in most homes - small, but loud - with slam. Bose has it way way before...

Are these lifestyle series audiophile grade or are those audiophile brand sub-sat audiophile grade as well?... hmmn, pls define audiophile grade again! ... but they got the looks, the buyer likes their sound (until some of them opened their ears  ;D) ... they have their niche of users ... and they got the big money ...

Is BOSE successful (Is Microsoft successful) ? Do they make research? Do they have the best products? or they do good marketing? ... and are able to dictate what audio looks (O/S) should be in the home? who cares about audiophilia when they got the money!

 ;D  ;D  ;D

Did BOSE merged with somebody's brand to stay afloat?  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: synchro_01 on Nov 26, 2005 at 10:47 AM
another major market for Bose is the factory car audio line. I once had a chance to listen to a Bose factory system on an MB-SLK for 2 solid hours and its quite good for a stock car audio system. 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Nov 26, 2005 at 10:05 PM
http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html

Sir bumblebee, Thanks for the website above, it is a really big help, guys who wants to buy BOSE, before buying it try reading the website posted by Sir Bumblebee here!

Thanks ulit 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: afterglow on Nov 27, 2005 at 10:06 AM
This is an old argument among audio enthusiasts....

Bose is criticized for inflating their quality through marketing.  They never publish their specs and their sales people never allow side-by-side comparisons.  Their speakers use single drivers, paper pa.  Ang mahal pa!!  Think of it this way, how much would you pay for speakers that basically only contain a paper midrange?  You can find cheaper, better-made speakers that perform better (Energy Take 5, JBL N).

That being said, their car audio systems are actually quite good.  And their old speakers (remember the 901 series VI??) are very good.  And Bose's prices in Asia aren't as high as in the US so they aren't that bad a ripoff.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Nov 27, 2005 at 09:45 PM
Hey guys!

Guess what? BOSE has now made a very good invention bacause of research. Not on speakers. Not on electronic's. Not even radios or headphones .... but what??? BOSE SHOCK ABSORBERS for cars !!! WTF!!!  why did BOSE make this research? I dont know!!! but the recent review? again they fail, why? their SHOCK ABSORBERS consumes an awful lot of energy to stay shockproof cars. Gosh! Even dummest chrysler didnt buy their product.

Maybe BOSE forgot that cars has batteries and not plugged into a AC outlet.  :-\ 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Nov 27, 2005 at 11:05 PM
yah! I've seen this Bose shock-absorbers featured in one innovation channels sa cable. when other top-end cars such as BMW, Mercedez benz pass thru this series of humps the car's really shaked as an earthquake, but when a car equiped with Bose shock-absorbers the car seems to float along the series of humps.

but the critic who test this, told the viewers that the battery of the car has died down on a few kilometers drive. this made the researchers think and the bidder go away.

Why did Bose experiment on this should I say "innovative product"? maybe their targeting on another marketable goup, the only thing that bothers me is, they havent made their speakers good enough and yet they have time and budget to spend on this "unfinished" invention.  :-[ :-[ :-[   

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Nov 29, 2005 at 03:08 PM
Plus yung sinasabi mong cubes ng Bose?, for your info, walang bulak sa loob ito iho hehehe!

At ang tinatawag mong "sirkito" sa loob ng bass module ay ang simpleng diving network, may utak nga ang gumawa nito pero meron karin, kaya dont be so amused kung ganito ang design nila. inilayo lang nila ang low frequency, dahil non directional ito at pwedeng iderect sa room kahit saan, pero take note "they use a piston like design of buffles" in which yung driver na sinasabi mo 5 1/4 woofers act as a piston. which uses air sa 3 chambers ng bass module, moving away distortion sa cone. plus it uses air to transmit sound in which very much similar or mas kilala bilang bandpass design, hindi kaba nagtataka kapag naka harap ang bass module sa corners ay mas malakas ang bass at pag nakalayo ay decreased bass naman, kasi they use air to transmitt it kaya kung mas kulob ang room mas maganda ang reproduction nito kasi mas compressed ang air environment, try putting it outside, ewan ko lang kung kaya niya ang much larger environment. ever wonder why there are free air design speakers?   

           Alam nyo na pala na dependent sa room yung Bose nyo eh! Hindi ito pang outside application.
           Yung akin bulak ang laman eh. Just sharing what I have.

            Palagay ko, iba talaga pag napaso na tayo. Its like a virus, we want to contaminate others. But thanks for sharing your experience. Hanggang dito na lang me. I have more movies to enjoy pa with my HT Bose system. For serious listening, I've got my full tube Cayin Tube CD player and Tube integrated amp and Epos M12.2 speakers.

          Payo ko sir. Bumawi ka!
          Just me.








Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Nov 29, 2005 at 10:56 PM
Mr. ganicru

If your enjoying with your BOSE speakers, then keep them.

Yung mga info I've just emphasized from your post like "bulak" and "sirkito" are maybe just your simple layman terminology and I respect them, I've just made a more precise info from the actual product at I've gave them more deeper information on it.

from your quote:
"Baka magmulto si Dr. Amar Bose. Genius pa naman ito sa speaker. Kaya nga ginaya nung mga students nya at gumawa ng NHT speakers (Now Hear This). Research muna tayo, baka lack of info tayo. More Info ...more solid we can make decisions."

Maybe you should read more from my previous post... or better yet go to this site http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html ...to enlighten you more

Help others by telling them the truth about BOSE, dahil may puso tayong pinoy, at may kunsyensya tayo sa kapwa natin pinoy kaya nga "Pinoydvd" diba?, dont let others be dissappointed after they bought this product, if you had expirienced something or idea then share it, but dont give them wrong information.
  
Be vigilant, transparent, compassionate and informative, pairalin ang pagiging pusong pinoy natin, yan ang "Pinoydvd".

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Nov 30, 2005 at 09:12 AM
Mr. Ganicru,

If your speakers rely on its environment, regardless for in/outdoor use. well I might say youv'e been ripped off, one of the tests audiophiles and sound engineers do, is to listen to speakers at any given environment and must perform well, even if your gears are expensive, it must not rely on the environment it must maximize its performance according to its specifation.

Are expensive speakers are more likely to be out run by locally made audio? Does Daiichi performs better than BOSE?.

I've heard daiichi speakers performs out side its designed environment and yet produces an accurate sound, can BOSE speakers with the same specification do this?     

I think BOSE rely so much on its environment, have you ever noticed the placement of their speakers and design of their showroom? they will audition their cubes less than 5 feet from you and the room is so paded and damped even a whisper of the salesperson can be heard, any speakers reagardless of its made can perform good on that kind of environment and have you ever wonder why BOSE dont allow side by side comparison with other speakers? and why BOSE sound's different when you play them at home?

I leave those question to you...

Even their speakers stand cost so much, AM speaker stand cost Php. 5,000.00!!! are those stick looking metal stand really cost that much? I've talked to the person who distributes high-end speakers stand and audio rack mr. Jun Reyes who happend to be my personal friend. he distirbutes in "listening in style" in Shangrila, He told me for 5T those stands are not even pivoted below, he will give me a non-resonant solid speakers stand most commonly used on high-end speakers for only 3T. BOSE stand are collapsable and the height doesnt reach the "sweet spot", that is the adjustment of -/+36" from the height of the ears even if your sitting or slouching.     

So read and audition, audition, audition!!! before buying a product. :) :) :)   
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: synchro_01 on Nov 30, 2005 at 09:49 AM

If your speakers rely on its environment, regardless for in/outdoor use. well I might say youv'e been ripped off, one of the tests audiophiles and sound engineers do, is to listen to speakers at any given environment and must perform well, even if your gears are expensive, it must not rely on the environment it must maximize its performance according to its specifation.
 

well if this is the case then 100% of audiophiles have been ripped off due to the fact that there is no speaker in this planet that can perform superbly indoors and as well as outdoors.  that is the sole reason why there are speakers made specifically for HT use, outdoor PA system use and indoor use. 


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Even their speakers stand cost so much, AM speaker stand cost Php. 5,000.00!!! are those stick looking metal stand really cost that much? I've talked to the person who distributes high-end speakers stand and audio rack mr. Jun Reyes who happend to be my personal friend. he distirbutes in "listening in style" in Shangrila, He told me for 5T those stands are not even pivoted below, he will give me a non-resonant solid speakers stand most commonly used on high-end speakers for only 3T. BOSE stand are collapsable and the height doesnt reach the "sweet spot", that is the adjustment of -/+36" from the height of the ears even if your sitting or slouching.     

well in this regard I do agree that Jun makes very good custom made stands and racks that are easy on the pocket and doesnt compromise on rigidity and quality. I have been a customer of Jun since the late 90's and the amp stands that I got from him are still with me....rust free and still looking like new.  believe it or not...there are people who buy those stands made by Bose. For every product being sold out there... no matter how obscenely it is priced and how ridiculous it was designed,  I believe that there is a market for it.   P5K for stands are just the tip of the iceberg...have you seen the Php30K stands of Dynaudio for their Contour line? how about the Php35K stands for the B&W805's?  lahat yan may market like the Bose.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Nov 30, 2005 at 12:26 PM
The specs of BOSE is not really spectacular among audiophile. This has been a known statement.

But the pricing of BOSE on their products is not about audiophile thing - but about the market segment they want to capture, in the same way that those so-called high-end audiophile (catering to 'audiophile') maker also made themselves. Ever seen amp, speaker and accessories cost so much - by the thousands of dollars! Do you expect us to believe that that is the cost of materials and research? A research for a B&W & contour speakers' STAND?  ;D  ;D (Oh please!)    If BOSE do this trick, so the others as well. Can somebody now bash B&W and contour on their practice please!       

If you can not afford the price tag of BOSE, then you are not their market!  :P  :P  ;D And don't insist you are - just because it so happen you look at yourself as a true-blue audiophile.

Subjectivity in audio gear is so wide that this includes the perceived prestige, sound subjectivity, and aesthetics of the buyer - and their capability to pay for it.

For an audiophile who subject himself to mere specs and measurement - buying BOSE can be termed rip off - in the same term that B&W and dynaudio will rip-off their customers when they buy costly 'researched' amps, speakers and stands!

For a music lover who falls in love with the presentation of BOSE sound and aesthetics, and who can pay for it, this can not be termed rip-off, in the same term that those who fall in love with the aesthetics of B&W and dynaudio stands. Don't insist that these B&W and dynaudio stands (as well as other high end audio manufacturers who 'rips'  ) has so much RESEARCH on it that it cost that high! 

As usual, BOSE started the game plan, the rest of the high end audio follows!  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Nov 30, 2005 at 01:43 PM
well if this is the case then 100% of audiophiles have been ripped off due to the fact that there is no speaker in this planet that can perform superbly indoors and as well as outdoors.  that is the sole reason why there are speakers made specifically for HT use, outdoor PA system use and indoor use. 

Sir, did you set up your listening room to blend in to your speaker? or did you choose your speaker to blend in to your listening room?

Did you buy your speakers dahil it would sound good sa room mo or binili mo yung speakers mo dahil it sound so good to you no matter where you place it?

I'm not pertaining to where you will use it, but how it performs to you. so by this reason do you use your brain dahil your getting what you've paid for or do you use your pride dahil you bought a super expensive branded equipment.       


well in this regard I do agree that Jun makes very good custom made stands and racks that are easy on the pocket and doesnt compromise on rigidity and quality. I have been a customer of Jun since the late 90's and the amp stands that I got from him are still with me....rust free and still looking like new.  believe it or not...there are people who buy those stands made by Bose. For every product being sold out there... no matter how obscenely it is priced and how ridiculous it was designed,  I believe that there is a market for it.   P5K for stands are just the tip of the iceberg...have you seen the Php30K stands of Dynaudio for their Contour line? how about the Php35K stands for the B&W805's?  lahat yan may market like the Bose.


Will you buy a super expensive piece of metal speakers stand that has been branded by BOSE or would you rather buy from a genius metal fabricator whose product has designed and engineered for more efficient use with less the price.

Again your brain or your pride?
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: john5479 on Nov 30, 2005 at 02:42 PM
in fairness if speakers are set-up properly in the proper room and proper environment, they will perform well. Which is why BOSE speakers are only demoed at their showrooms, where everything is optimized.

If sound and money is that not much of an issue, and one is after convenience, looks, and unobtrusiveness then i understand why there are people who would buy BOSE, especially the acoustimass series. But to say that they are the ultimate as some are lead to believe..i don't think so. I find the ht experience passable but to expensive. for critical listening better go elsewhere.

 

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Nov 30, 2005 at 05:24 PM
Sir bumblebee is right, BOSE is not an audiohphile thing, it is up for marketing, if you want it then buy it.

but their flagship speakers "the most highly acclaimed speaker!" the 901's, can you consider it "the audiophile thing"?

BOSE has failed to register their product in the US particularly the 901's. because the design really has an arguement between standardization. visit the website below:
 
http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/com/sol/foia/ttab/other/2005/74734496.pdf

BOSE lovers tend to disbelief the "TRUTH" about BOSE, because they have been outsmarted.

But as mr john5479 has posted "in fairness if speakers are set-up properly in the proper room and proper environment, they will perform well" (for an average listener)...

But for a critical listener specially those so called "mytikoloso", mostly serious audio enthusiast. Seniors from 30's above, they handle things quite differently, they're not easily impressed by merely auditioning an audio products, they spend an ample amount of time fine tunning their taste when it comes to viewing and listening, hindi mo basta mapabibili ang isang "mytikoloso" na gumagamit ng tenga at utak, kung baga you can't out smart them, coz they awfuly use a large amount of time maximizing the capability of the audio product. kadalasan may dala pa yan sariling medium such as CD's or DVD's para malaman niya ang tunay na performance before buying them. they would even know if the product is up for marketing or performance popularity.

so the point is will you be more like to be a "mytikoloso" or merely a "brand rat"...       
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: krell69 on Dec 01, 2005 at 04:05 PM
May kaibigan akong may Klipsch RF-25 series, we listen it with my Bose Acoustimass 15 side-by-side with the same amp AB connection. Parang night and day (black and white) walang ka kwentang-kwenta young Bose ko. Sa clarity, imaging at sa kahit anong aspect. Akala ko d'best na yong Bose pero wala palang kwenta.
Bininta ko yong Bose ko at bumili ako ng Klipsch. WOW!!!! now I heard many tunes that I didn't hear it from my prevous Bose set-up.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Dec 01, 2005 at 04:11 PM
That's how we learn then we upgrade (spend more). Now compare your  Klipsch with other brand say Monitor Audio Silver series. Don't tell me walang ka kwenta kwenta Klipsch mo.

Just me.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: bachwitz on Dec 01, 2005 at 05:06 PM
That's how we learn then we upgrade (spend more). Now compare your  Klipsch with other brand say Monitor Audio Silver series. Don't tell me walang ka kwenta kwenta Klipsch mo.

Just me.


pero kung compare mo ang price nang Klipsch sa Bose laki nang pinag-kaiba.   ::)

Too much price, less quality.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 01, 2005 at 05:22 PM
That's how we learn then we upgrade (spend more). Now compare your  Klipsch with other brand say Monitor Audio Silver series. Don't tell me walang ka kwenta kwenta Klipsch mo.

Just me.

Yan ang mahirap sa BOSE lovers they tend to reject and disbelief that they've been sacked by BOSE... :P :P :P :) having "sour grapes" after buying a BOSE using their pride not their ears and brains ??? ??? ???... buti pa ang iba nagigising sa katotohanan

Happy enlightment sa mga naka-recover from BOSE... now you have a good taste in HT and music...   
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Dec 01, 2005 at 05:40 PM
Out of the question yung good branded spakers comparing to other good branded speakers (eg.Klipsch, Monitor Audio Silver series, etc.) kase at least they challange to compare side by side and may quality ang products nila at kung ano naka lagay sa specification yung ang lalabas...

Unlike sa BOSE para kang bumubili ng bulag, ni walang specification tapos wala pang quality yung materials used tapos hindi pa nila allowed ang side by side comparison kasi mabubuko at ma iiwan sila.

Wag na lang sa mga high end audio sa Dai-ichi nalang, kaya kaya ang side by side comparison sa BOSE? katawa tawa ang BOSE kung they refuse that...

saka for a Php. 80T BOSE AM16 speakers? nasa sayo yun, pero isipin mo buong Def tech PROCINEMA 100 na yun sobra pa...   
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 01, 2005 at 10:00 PM
well in this regard I do agree that Jun makes very good custom made stands and racks that are easy on the pocket and doesnt compromise on rigidity and quality. I have been a customer of Jun since the late 90's and the amp stands that I got from him are still with me....rust free and still looking like new.  believe it or not...there are people who buy those stands made by Bose. For every product being sold out there... no matter how obscenely it is priced and how ridiculous it was designed,  I believe that there is a market for it.   P5K for stands are just the tip of the iceberg...have you seen the Php30K stands of Dynaudio for their Contour line? how about the Php35K stands for the B&W805's?  lahat yan may market like the Bose.

Well it happens to be, I also bought a speaker stand specially made by Mr. Jun Reyes for my BOSE 402, its a high grade double tube rust proof, pivoted base and sand fillable. but unfortunately I just gave them for free when I sold my BOSE 402 at the christian church. So dont think I'm amazed by the price youve just mentioned above, kaya ko bumili ng stand worth Php. 100T if I wanted to, but I use my head now not my pride and by the way I also gave my BOSE AM stand for free when I sold my BOSE AM5 to my friend... :) :) :) 

PS: Last time I visited Mr. Jun Reyes work shop is still in Las Piñas andun pa rin ba sya?
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: krell69 on Dec 02, 2005 at 01:08 AM
That's how we learn then we upgrade (spend more). Now compare your  Klipsch with other brand say Monitor Audio Silver series. Don't tell me walang ka kwenta kwenta Klipsch mo.

Just me.
Pakinggan mo muna yong speaker na sinasabi mo(monitor audio and klipsch) bago ka mag-post. I have auditioned monitor audio, paradigm, axiom, jamo, jm lab, def tech, dynaudio,dali, klipsch,jbl, infinity and many more pati yong wilson audio watt/puppy 7. They have thier own QUALITY OF SOUND. Listen to klipsch with good source and you will be amazed.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aldrinpsx on Dec 02, 2005 at 04:30 AM
Plus yung sinasabi mong cubes ng Bose?, for your info, walang bulak sa loob ito iho hehehe!

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            Palagay ko, iba talaga pag napaso na tayo. Its like a virus, we want to contaminate others. But thanks for sharing your experience. Hanggang dito na lang me. I have more movies to enjoy pa with my HT Bose system. For serious listening, I've got my full tube Cayin Tube CD player and Tube integrated amp and Epos M12.2 speakers.

          Payo ko sir. Bumawi ka!
          Just me.


Pwedeng e post mo ang PIC  sa HT gallery? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

peace!!!!

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: synchro_01 on Dec 02, 2005 at 07:15 AM
Well it happens to be, I also bought a speaker stand specially made by Mr. Jun Reyes for my BOSE 402, its a high grade double tube rust proof, pivoted base and sand fillable. but unfortunately I just gave them for free when I sold my BOSE 402 at the christian church. So dont think I'm amazed by the price youve just mentioned above, kaya ko bumili ng stand worth Php. 100T if I wanted to, but I use my head now not my pride and by the way I also gave my BOSE AM stand for free when I sold my BOSE AM5 to my friend... :) :) :) 

PS: Last time I visited Mr. Jun Reyes work shop is still in Las Piñas andun pa rin ba sya?

JFBagadiong

yes I do know that Jun still has his workshop in Las Pinas.  Dont get me wrong bro...the reason I posted figures for stands is not to impress you nor anybody here in this thread.  what i do want to point out is that even if some products like stands, cables, racks, gears etc which are priced relatively high as compared to their competitors...there is still a market for those products no matter ridiculous its price may be. simple as that
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: synchro_01 on Dec 02, 2005 at 08:54 AM
Yan ang mahirap sa BOSE lovers they tend to reject and disbelief that they've been sacked by BOSE... :P :P :P :) having "sour grapes" after buying a BOSE using their pride not their ears and brains ??? ??? ???... buti pa ang iba nagigising sa katotohanan

Happy enlightment sa mga naka-recover from BOSE... now you have a good taste in HT and music...   

maybe its not fair to generalize people and to discriminate them to the point of saying that if you have a Bose system stashed somewhere in your house and you do like its performance then you do not have good taste in Audio and in HT based from the statement that you gave.  simply moving up from a Bose to a what have you Brand W doesnt mean you automatically have good tatse in audio as well right? let us not be prejudiced.

true...the Bose systems isnt the best sounding speakers and are quite costly if you buy it brand new but what speaker is the best? that is a very subjective decision which totally varies from one individual to another.  people buy products because of so many different variables....one might buy because its a dirt cheap deal, it fits a certain requirement, some buy the best there is, by peer pressure, by brand loyalty etc etc. Now lets say one bought a 901 and likes how it sounds....that doesnt automatically mean that he has poor taste.

I do want to give you an example on what I am saying. I have a friend who formerly OWNED a big audio store with several branches across the Metro and was one of the pioneer stores that carried high end audio products.  he has access to a LOT of speaker brands for the sole reason that he owns the chain and up to now he till listens to his pristine condition 901's in his den/bar. I was quite curious as to why he doesnt want to ditch it and replace them with other speakers that are worthy of his lofty exprience in audio but his answer surprised me...he simply likes how it sounds...it sounds unique and like no other...period. That doesnt make it the best for him but its uniqueness has its appeal to him. In that regard I respected his opinion and his preference. he does have a Magnepan (the biggest maggie models) system in his bedroom and if asked the question which is better sounding..the 901 or the maggies syempre its a no brainer..the maggies will outperform the 901's but he is fast in adding that he also loves the unique presentation of the 901 in his den/bar.  Ripped off? hehe thats the good thing...he got the 901 for a measly Php15K from a person who simply ridiculed Bose to high heavens just like you.  so to sum it all up...he got it for a dirt cheap price and it fills his den/bar with energetic sound which is his requirement to begin with.  Those are the reasons why he loves his Bose...and in no way does he have poor taste in audio.

In my case, I bought my Lifestyle12 set to fit my requirement which is for a all in one compact system that is virtually invisible.  Got a good deal for it and thats that. Im still happy with it to this day. Its uniqueness also appeals to me in a way because examples of all in one compact systems that are designed to be invisible are quite rare.  Ripped off? nope. got a very good price for it.....again from a person who simply hated Bose.  BTW I do have other speakers sytems in my house that will blow away the Lifestyle 12 but nonetheless i still like my Lifestyle 12.   poor taste? hahaha...who cares what others think. as long as you are happy in this hobby. 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Philander on Dec 02, 2005 at 10:20 AM
OT:

What then can you say about this:
http://www.bose.com/controller?event=VIEW_STATIC_PAGE_EVENT&url=/learning/project_sound/bose_suspension.jsp
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 02, 2005 at 10:33 AM
maybe its not fair to generalize people and to discriminate them to the point of saying that if you have a Bose system stashed somewhere in your house and you do like its performance then you do not have good taste in Audio and in HT based from the statement that you gave.  simply moving up from a Bose to a what have you Brand W doesnt mean you automatically have good tatse in audio as well right? let us not be prejudiced.

true...the Bose systems isnt the best sounding speakers and are quite costly if you buy it brand new but what speaker is the best? that is a very subjective decision which totally varies from one individual to another.  people buy products because of so many different variables....one might buy because its a dirt cheap deal, it fits a certain requirement, some buy the best there is, by peer pressure, by brand loyalty etc etc. Now lets say one bought a 901 and likes how it sounds....that doesnt automatically mean that he has poor taste.

I do want to give you an example on what I am saying. I have a friend who formerly OWNED a big audio store with several branches across the Metro and was one of the pioneer stores that carried high end audio products.  he has access to a LOT of speaker brands for the sole reason that he owns the chain and up to now he till listens to his pristine condition 901's in his den/bar. I was quite curious as to why he doesnt want to ditch it and replace them with other speakers that are worthy of his lofty exprience in audio but his answer surprised me...he simply likes how it sounds...it sounds unique and like no other...period. That doesnt make it the best for him but its uniqueness has its appeal to him. In that regard I respected his opinion and his preference. he does have a Magnepan (the biggest maggie models) system in his bedroom and if asked the question which is better sounding..the 901 or the maggies syempre its a no brainer..the maggies will outperform the 901's but he is fast in adding that he also loves the unique presentation of the 901 in his den/bar.  Ripped off? hehe thats the good thing...he got the 901 for a measly Php15K from a person who simply ridiculed Bose to high heavens just like you.  so to sum it all up...he got it for a dirt cheap price and it fills his den/bar with energetic sound which is his requirement to begin with.  Those are the reasons why he loves his Bose...and in no way does he have poor taste in audio.

In my case, I bought my Lifestyle12 set to fit my requirement which is for a all in one compact system that is virtually invisible.  Got a good deal for it and thats that. Im still happy with it to this day. Its uniqueness also appeals to me in a way because examples of all in one compact systems that are designed to be invisible are quite rare.  Ripped off? nope. got a very good price for it.....again from a person who simply hated Bose.  BTW I do have other speakers sytems in my house that will blow away the Lifestyle 12 but nonetheless i still like my Lifestyle 12.   poor taste? hahaha...who cares what others think. as long as you are happy in this hobby. 

Again another BOSE lover  ::) ::) ::), can you justify to me why BOSE has its missing nos?   
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 02, 2005 at 10:36 AM
OT:

What then can you say about this:
http://www.bose.com/controller?event=VIEW_STATIC_PAGE_EVENT&url=/learning/project_sound/bose_suspension.jsp

BOSE suspension for cars?, have you seen its review? it failed due to excessive power use on cars, batteries died down on few kilometers. Hindi pa nga nila na perperfect yung speakers nila eto na naman sila hayy ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Chito C. on Dec 02, 2005 at 10:43 AM
siguro sagot ng bose dyan eh basta gawa kami maganda suspension, bahala ka na sa power he-he.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: bumblebee on Dec 02, 2005 at 10:45 AM
Wala naman problema kahit billion of pesos or dollars pa worth ng Bose. As long as they drop that "Better Sound Through Research" claim.

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Dec 02, 2005 at 10:47 AM
Wala naman problema kahit billion of pesos or dollars pa worth ng Bose. As long as they drop that "Better Sound Through Research" claim.



HEHEHE! tama ka dyan sir bumblebee pati yung "most highly acclaimed speaker"!
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Dec 02, 2005 at 10:55 AM

pero kung compare mo ang price nang Klipsch sa Bose laki nang pinag-kaiba.   ::)

Too much price, less quality.

Wait  lang po!
       Yung acoustimass 15 How much?  Complete HT system na to ah (5.1 set-up)

        Yung Klipsch RF25 (stereo floorstander ito di ba)  Magkano kaya kung 5.1 set-up ng Klipsch.

   We're talking of HT speaker set-up.....


Just me.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: vtec3 on Dec 02, 2005 at 10:58 AM
Wala naman problema kahit billion of pesos or dollars pa worth ng Bose. As long as they drop that "Better Sound Through Research" claim.



Nice one  ;D ;D ;D Remeber yung speaker nila na nasa aquarium, mayron na bang naka duplicate nito  ;)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 02, 2005 at 11:00 AM
Wait  lang po!
       Yung acoustimass 15 How much?  Complete HT system na to ah (5.1 set-up)

        Yung Klipsch RF25 (stereo floorstander ito di ba)  Magkano kaya kung 5.1 set-up ng Klipsch.

   We're talking of HT speaker set-up.....


Just me.

Sir hindi lang price ang tignan mo pati yung kind of materials used sa speakers nila and how they build it... :) :) :)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JT on Dec 02, 2005 at 11:04 AM
Remeber yung speaker nila na nasa aquarium, mayron na bang naka duplicate nito  ;)

At meron kayang bumili nito ???
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: bumblebee on Dec 02, 2005 at 11:06 AM
Nice one  ;D ;D ;D Remeber yung speaker nila na nasa aquarium, mayron na bang naka duplicate nito  ;)

Ala naman isda e ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Dec 02, 2005 at 11:13 AM
Yan ang mahirap sa BOSE lovers they tend to reject and disbelief that they've been sacked by BOSE... :P :P :P :) having "sour grapes" after buying a BOSE using their pride not their ears and brains ??? ??? ???... buti pa ang iba nagigising sa katotohanan

Happy enlightment sa mga naka-recover from BOSE... now you have a good taste in HT and music...   

Sir, I don't feel what you mean. When I buy things, I make it a point that the item really excites me. I don't buy on impulse specially on audio gears. I visit , look and try to ask for a demo (kung walang masyadong buying customer) as frequent as I can  and check my pocket if I can afford it na. Then when the right time comes, I buy it na and take it home na parang bata at tuwang tuwa sa bago kong toy and enjoy it. Well its human nature na magsawa at maghanap ng bago. But this doesn't mean that we were sacked by any body. No body forces us to make our  buying decisions. It is we and we alone ourselves and more often than not later we realised that we made a bad decision but it doesn't mean na yung "Kapalaran ni Juan ay kapalaran din ni Pedro". Kung masaya si Pedro hindi sigurado na masaya din si Juan or the other way around. But don't judge people on how they make decisions, its their own call.

I AM HAPPY WITH MY BOSE!

just me.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: vtec3 on Dec 02, 2005 at 11:15 AM
kaya siguro masyadong mahal ito dahil pati isda binebentahan ng HT  ;)

peace  :D

itong brand na ito ang unang speaker na ginamit ko sa HT ko. gusto ko na din ilagay sa aquarium yung speaker kaya lang sayang naman

peace ulit  ;)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Dec 02, 2005 at 11:19 AM
Sir hindi lang price ang tignan mo pati yung kind of materials used sa speakers nila and how they build it... :) :) :)

       Can you do factory visit before buying anything? Brand perception is the name of the game.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: bumblebee on Dec 02, 2005 at 11:24 AM
Hey guys, if we must bash, let's bash the product, not each other :)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 02, 2005 at 11:28 AM
Nice one  ;D ;D ;D Remeber yung speaker nila na nasa aquarium, mayron na bang naka duplicate nito  ;)

Natatawa nga ako eh, do you need to submerged a speaker para mapatunayan ang performance nito, sino makikinig dun isda o serena? They always try to trick peoples mind para makabenta lang. It is not necessary to submerge speaker under water to prove their waterproof. Dahil sa weather natin rain, sunshine, or snow kahit splash proof lang okey na, wala naman nakikinig sa ilalim ng tubig eh, saka sinong matinong tao ang maglulubog ng speakers niya sa ilalim ng tubig, ano isusunod nila ilulubog na nila sa putik. Hehehe!

I even wonder if the speaker’s paper cone would last playing under water or kahit wet for a long time, paper cones tend to break when it’s wet because of its composition. Kahit nga double or triple treated ply paper nadudurog when wet for a long time.

Mas bi-bilib pa ako kung high voltage passing through their speakers at hindi na dadamage, like similar sa thunder at lighting para sa outdoor speakers nila, ayun mas kabilib-bilib yun!!!         
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: synchro_01 on Dec 02, 2005 at 11:32 AM
Sir, I don't feel what you mean. When I buy things, I make it a point that the item really excites me. I don't buy on impulse specially on audio gears. I visit , look and try to ask for a demo (kung walang masyadong buying customer) as frequent as I can  and check my pocket if I can afford it na. Then when the right time comes, I buy it na and take it home na parang bata at tuwang tuwa sa bago kong toy and enjoy it. Well its human nature na magsawa at maghanap ng bago. But this doesn't mean that we were sacked by any body. No body forces us to make our  buying decisions. It is we and we alone ourselves and more often than not later we realised that we made a bad decision but it doesn't mean na yung "Kapalaran ni Juan ay kapalaran din ni Pedro". Kung masaya si Pedro hindi sigurado na masaya din si Juan or the other way around. But don't judge people on how they make decisions, its their own call.

I AM HAPPY WITH MY BOSE!

just me.

amen to that bro.  Nobody is saying that Bose is the best speaker sold out there. The thing that I just dont get it why people are judging others and say that they have poor taste in audio just because they bought a bose.  such an immature statement.  The CEO in the company that I work for has a Wave system in his office....I dont think he has poor taste in audio...he has a killer rig at home that consists of Martin Logan, Audio Reasearch and Musical Fidelity.  

yung iba kasi naka pag upgrade lang at natuto ng konti sa kakabasa sa threads at sa pag audition ng iba-ibang speakers ay "audiophile" na agad ang tingin sa sarili.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 02, 2005 at 11:37 AM
       Can you do factory visit before buying anything? Brand perception is the name of the game.

Sir being observative and analytical makikita mo naman kung oky at pulido ang make and made ng isang product. kahit hindi ka pumunta sa factory nila, just a little research you'll know, kung your buying a good one, pero kung brand rat ka its up to you. yun nga lang you rely so much on brand not on the performance pero ganun talga there are people more on brand.

anyways better enjoy your BOSE system...
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JT on Dec 02, 2005 at 11:40 AM
Natatawa nga ako eh, do you need to submerged a speaker para mapatunayan ang performance nito, sino makikinig dun isda o serena? They always try to trick peoples mind para makabenta lang. It is not necessary to submerge speaker under water to prove their waterproof. Dahil sa weather natin rain, sunshine, or snow kahit splash proof lang okey na, wala naman nakikinig sa ilalim ng tubig eh, saka sinong matinong tao ang maglulubog ng speakers niya sa ilalim ng tubig, ano isusunod nila ilulubog na nila sa putik. Hehehe!
  

Maybe according to their research team, maraming speakers ang nasisira dahil nahuhulog sa aquarium ..... hhmmm.  





Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 02, 2005 at 11:42 AM
amen to that bro.  Nobody is saying that Bose is the best speaker sold out there. The thing that I just dont get it why people are judging others and say that they have poor taste in audio just because they bought a bose.  such an immature statement.  The CEO in the company that I work for has a Wave system in his office....I dont think he has poor taste in audio...he has a killer rig at home that consists of Martin Logan, Audio Reasearch and Musical Fidelity.  

yung iba kasi naka pag upgrade lang at natuto ng konti sa kakabasa sa threads at sa pag audition ng iba-ibang speakers ay "audiophile" na agad ang tingin sa sarili.

Being a CEO doesnt mean your superior to all.

And by the way hindi lang sa pagbabasa ng threads at pag audiotion ng iba-ibang speakers ay magiging audiophile kana,

if you studied it at may expirience ka for 15years and designed many auditoriums at recording studios including local and abroad and contributed research in acoustics sa isang big audio company, can you say your an audiophile?    
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Tony C. on Dec 02, 2005 at 11:53 AM
About a few years ago, a cousin bought a 301 bose speaker believing at the time that it was a prized purchase.  The reason, according to him was that he was not aware of the other existing products available at the time, i.e., BW's, etc.  Had he known of the other choices, he would have looked for these before doing a purchase.

My guess is that most Bose owners were also victims of the same situation and didn't had the chance to compare performance as well as prices of the competition.

Hope this thread can help enlighten all would be buyers....thanks!
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Dec 02, 2005 at 11:56 AM
Sir being observative and analytical makikita mo naman kung oky at pulido ang make and made ng isang product. kahit hindi ka pumunta sa factory nila, just a little research you'll know, kung your buying a good one, pero kung brand rat ka its up to you. yun nga lang you rely so much on brand not on the performance pero ganun talga there are people more on brand.

anyways better enjoy your BOSE system...

This are basic things and natural to humans but not to RATS!!@###@#@**
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: bachwitz on Dec 02, 2005 at 12:00 PM
Wait  lang po!
       Yung acoustimass 15 How much?  Complete HT system na to ah (5.1 set-up)

        Yung Klipsch RF25 (stereo floorstander ito di ba)  Magkano kaya kung 5.1 set-up ng Klipsch.

   We're talking of HT speaker set-up.....


Just me.

E di sa Dai-Ichi na lang. 

compare it side by side with bose.

get a noobie that has no outright experience in Audio and HT.

Im 100% sure, Dai-Ichi ang pipiliin  nya mas OK.

Yan ang hirap sa Bose, may sariling showroom.  Ayaw ma compare side by side. 

Sa pagkaka alam ko, sila lang may ganiton practice.  ::)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 02, 2005 at 12:01 PM
This has been posted before here.  Quite lengthy and detailed, but I think it's  definitive in its description of the Bose accoustimas products.

http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: synchro_01 on Dec 02, 2005 at 12:05 PM
Being a CEO doesnt mean your superior to all.

And by the way hindi lang sa pagbabasa ng threads at pag audiotion ng iba-ibang speakers ay magiging audiophile kana,

if you studied it at may expirience ka for 15years and designed many auditoriums at recording studios including local and abroad and contributed research in acoustics sa isang big audio company, can you say your an audiophile?    

I just said that as an example sir. nowhere in my post says that a CEO is superior to all and sundry. I wonder what gave you that idea  ???  oh well..  

now to your question....I dont give a rats ass even if one has studied audio for 75 years and have contributed to all the recording studios in this planet. If you do not have an open mind in audio then I guess you wont be able to understand why it is very subjective and one's preference will not be the same as the other guy's preference.
audiophile?  everybody can claim that title to his own just by buying a stereo, reading audio threads and magazines and start talking audio jargon that the next person cannot understand so I guess its a worthless title in my opinion....wala namang diploma yan saying that one earned the title eh. I have  never considered myself as an "audiophilie"..while I do know that I love music since I was in 2nd grade so I guess that makes me a music lover.  there are a gazillion and one "audiophiles" strutting their stuff here in PinoyDVD... maybe you could ask them how and where they got their title.


Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aldrinpsx on Dec 02, 2005 at 12:07 PM
Break!!!!  break!!!!! ..keep it cool people... keep it cool.


peace!!!
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: bachwitz on Dec 02, 2005 at 12:21 PM
BOSE vs. other Brands lang po.

wag naman  members vs. members

Peace lang tayo!!!
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Dec 02, 2005 at 01:56 PM
E di sa Dai-Ichi na lang. 

compare it side by side with bose.

get a noobie that has no outright experience in Audio and HT.

Im 100% sure, Dai-Ichi ang pipiliin  nya mas OK.

Yan ang hirap sa Bose, may sariling showroom.  Ayaw ma compare side by side. 

Sa pagkaka alam ko, sila lang may ganiton practice.  ::)


In fairness, di ba may Dai-Ichi showroom din sa megamall? The truth is I started my simple audio set up with a Pioneer KP5  car stereo with Daiichi assembled speakers (La pa ko datung eh)  then upgraded to Pioneer speakers then Bose. I keep my Bose for HT (AM7). For audio I started with B&W CDM1, then AE Evo3, then B&W 602S3 and  presently Epos M12.2. Mga 15 years of evolution din.
Ano kaya next? The quest never ends.... Its part of the learning curve. I can share my experiences (good or bad)  but I won't put any body down.

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 02, 2005 at 02:08 PM
This are basic things and natural to humans but not to RATS!!@###@#@**

Yun nga ang pagkakaiba ng rats sa human, they know how to distinguish good value vs performance, rather going thru brand's. Anyways if your enjoying your BOSE then enjoy listening to it. I have nothing against your BOSE speakers, sayo naman yan eh ikaw ang bumili ng pagkamahal-mahal at pera mo yan at ikaw ang makikinig.

Sana nga lang palawakin pa ng BOSE ang research nila at pataasin ang kalidad ng materials their using sa BOSE speakers. cause they tend to go into another product research without giving another solution sa speakers nila.

Happy BOSE listening nalang sayo PEACE!!!   
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: bachwitz on Dec 02, 2005 at 02:11 PM
In fairness, di ba may Dai-Ichi showroom din sa megamall? The truth is I started my simple audio set up with a Pioneer KP5  car stereo with Daiichi assembled speakers (La pa ko datung eh)  then upgraded to Pioneer speakers then Bose. I keep my Bose for HT (AM7). For audio I started with B&W CDM1, then AE Evo3, then B&W 602S3 and  presently Epos M12.2. Mga 15 years of evolution din.
Ano kaya next? The quest never ends.... Its part of the learning curve. I can share my experiences (good or bad)  but I won't put any body down.


Common, dont take my work out of context.  My point is, Bose dont want their speakers to be auditioned with another brand.

And, you can check my previous post if I had put anybody down.  ;)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Dec 02, 2005 at 02:16 PM
Yun nga ang pagkakaiba ng rats sa human, they know how to distinguish good value vs performance, rather going thru brand's. Anyways if your enjoying your BOSE then enjoy listening to it. I have nothing against your BOSE speakers, sayo naman yan eh ikaw ang bumili ng pagkamahal-mahal at pera mo yan at ikaw ang makikinig.

Sana nga lang palawakin pa ng BOSE ang research nila at pataasin ang kalidad ng materials their using sa BOSE speakers. cause they tend to go into another product research without giving another solution sa speakers nila.

Happy BOSE listening nalang sayo PEACE!!!   

Suggest you go direct to Bose website and give customers feedback. I'm sure they will listen to us (customers). If there is a cause for change I'm sure Bose will ackowledge this.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Dec 02, 2005 at 02:18 PM

Common, dont take my work out of context.  My point is, Bose dont want their speakers to be auditioned with another brand.

And, you can check my previous post if I had put anybody down.  ;)


Sorry Bro, its not for you. :'(
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 02, 2005 at 02:19 PM
I just said that as an example sir. nowhere in my post says that a CEO is superior to all and sundry. I wonder what gave you that idea  ???  oh well..  

now to your question....I dont give a rats ass even if one has studied audio for 75 years and have contributed to all the recording studios in this planet. If you do not have an open mind in audio then I guess you wont be able to understand why it is very subjective and one's preference will not be the same as the other guy's preference.
audiophile?  everybody can claim that title to his own just by buying a stereo, reading audio threads and magazines and start talking audio jargon that the next person cannot understand so I guess its a worthless title in my opinion....wala namang diploma yan saying that one earned the title eh. I have  never considered myself as an "audiophilie"..while I do know that I love music since I was in 2nd grade so I guess that makes me a music lover.  there are a gazillion and one "audiophiles" strutting their stuff here in PinoyDVD... maybe you could ask them how and where they got their title.




Eh di bumalik lang sayo yung last post mo.

"amen to that bro.  Nobody is saying that Bose is the best speaker sold out there. The thing that I just dont get it why people are judging others and say that they have poor taste in audio just because they bought a bose.  such an immature statement.  The CEO in the company that I work for has a Wave system in his office....I dont think he has poor taste in audio...he has a killer rig at home that consists of Martin Logan, Audio Reasearch and Musical Fidelity.  

yung iba kasi naka pag upgrade lang at natuto ng konti sa kakabasa sa threads at sa pag audition ng iba-ibang speakers ay "audiophile" na agad ang tingin sa sarili."


Ano ba talaga ang description mo sa isang Audiophile?  

Anyways if you judge someone na naging Audiophile siya dahil sa pagbabasa at sa mga threads dito sa Pinoydvd according to you, better think muna before telling that to someone.

If your contented with BOSE then enjoy listening to it, just post whatever you think about BOSE having been an owner of it...
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Chito C. on Dec 02, 2005 at 02:25 PM
I'm a proud owner of dai-ichi floorstanders for my HT. Upgraded from bose am3. Nasaan na am3 ko? nakakabit sa  garahe para may sounds naman pag naglilinis ng kotse.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 02, 2005 at 02:26 PM
Suggest you go direct to Bose website and give customers feedback. I'm sure they will listen to us (customers). If there is a cause for change I'm sure Bose will ackowledge this.

You know I already emailed them before pero sabi lang nila they will tell it to their sound engineers, hay sayang lang ang binabayaran research nila.

anyways ano ba ang masasabi mo sa performance ng BOSE speakers mo now?
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: vtec3 on Dec 02, 2005 at 02:32 PM
Break!!!!  break!!!!! ..keep it cool people... keep it cool.


peace!!!

I agree break !!! break !!! cool lang, I think this is the busiest thread today pero let's keep cool  ;D

peace din  ;)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Chito C. on Dec 02, 2005 at 02:38 PM
Just curious lang po. Meron na bang nagkamaling i derekta yung cube speakers sa ampli/receiver? I know that the manual says that you shouldn't do it. Matagal ko nang gustong gawin pero sayang kung masisira. The way i see it its either puputok yung cube speaker o lalalabas yung totoong tunog nung cubes kapag wala yung bass module nya.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Dec 02, 2005 at 02:39 PM
You know I already emailed them before pero sabi lang nila they will tell it to their sound engineers, hay sayang lang ang binabayaran research nila.

anyways ano ba ang masasabi mo sa performance ng BOSE speakers mo now?

Very much happy with my Bose performance (HT) as well as the way it looks. Cute eh!
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Dec 02, 2005 at 02:45 PM
I'm a proud owner of dai-ichi floorstanders for my HT. Upgraded from bose am3. Nasaan na am3 ko? nakakabit sa  garahe para may sounds naman pag naglilinis ng kotse.

AM3? Sir mukhang bitin pang HT yun, Y? nyo binili. Ok yan pang small enclosed room, mood music  application, hindi pang explosion scenes ng HT (gagaralgal yun). Don't blame Bose, wrong choice siguro.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 02, 2005 at 02:48 PM
I'm a proud owner of dai-ichi floorstanders for my HT. Upgraded from bose am3. Nasaan na am3 ko? nakakabit sa  garahe para may sounds naman pag naglilinis ng kotse.

Ok pa yan.  There's an anecdote on the net that said, after upgrading so and so speakers and systems in varous parts of his house, the owner relocated his old Bose cubes to the dog house.  According to him, the bose cubes make excellent chew stuff.   ;D  No offence, just relaying what I read about these speakers.  Wala talagang value.

It's one thing to spend 3T or 5T on a set of speakers you know deliver the money's worth.  It's entirely another to price those same speakers at 30T. 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 02, 2005 at 03:01 PM
Highly debatable talaga ang BOSE speakers

Anyways I have nothing against sa style nila, kung sa porma malupit ang BOSE pero pag dating sa materials at performance dun sumamblay like the ff:

AM cube: instead of using a 2.5 inch full range paper speakers which is producing only 280hz to 13.3k at +/- 10.5db, they could have used a hi-definition aluminum dome tweeter incorporated as coaxial in a 2.5 inch bass midrange driver para hindi naman ma sacrifice ang small design size ng BOSE, giving them additional hi-cut that could be tunned upto 20k. then the cube buffle assembly could have changed it shape, incorporating a long folded port design, properly tunned and giving bass-mid driver a long voice coil for high excursion giving additional midcut frequency much lower than 280hz and incorporating built-in crossover. The cubes could have a higher load that can "stand alone" capabilities. para naman sa expandability if ever your adding an additonal cubes.    

AM Bass module: instead of using a MDF buffle assembly, they could have used a higher version HDF body. then the bass drivers instead of using 5.5 inch multiple bass driver that is producing only 46hz - 202hz, they could have used a single 8",10" or 12" inch high excursion, polylaminate cones and high butyl rubber surrounds bass driver that can produce at least 150hz 20hz. coz low frequency are non-directional thus deminishing the use of multiple drivers. and instead of using airmass they could have fined tuned a front, side or down firing design.

This are just a few points that BOSE researcher could have think for their CUBE invention.

anyways its just me though...    
      
 

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Chito C. on Dec 02, 2005 at 03:05 PM
AM3? Sir mukhang bitin pang HT yun, Y? nyo binili. Ok yan pang small enclosed room, mood music application, hindi pang explosion scenes ng HT (gagaralgal yun). Don't blame Bose, wrong choice siguro.

Yun ang sarap sir, hindi ko binili yun, bigay ng utol ko (used as surrounds for his ht) as i was just starting to save money for ht. Previous speaker setup is am3, wharf wh2 center and surrounds tapos bili ako nang dai-ichi euros 8 pamalit sa am3. bought  a sub 3 weeks ago. I don't blame bose since wala akong ginasta but comparing bose am3 with a 5k plus dai-ichi, hands down dai-ichi ako. Even my wife noticed the big difference in the sound as there were sounds that were not heard using the am3. PEACE!
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 02, 2005 at 03:08 PM
Very much happy with my Bose performance (HT) as well as the way it looks. Cute eh!

That's its main attraction.  Bose made a comprehensive market research to deteremine what the ordinary consumer wants.  Great WAF figured prominently.  And those small cubes found its place in consumer playback history.  It's really not about great sounds, not about freqeuncy response, there's nothing about that in the Bose product specs. They fond out that what matters most to many consumers is their elegant looks and inconspicuous presence that made them a darling to homeowners.  
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 02, 2005 at 03:24 PM
Very much happy with my Bose performance (HT) as well as the way it looks. Cute eh!

Well at least your happy with the BOSE design...

I'm also impressed with the style of my former BOSE AM5 III and the sound's its quite good naman. Some speakers I just hate from BOSE are like yung VCS10 at model100, naku never mo bilihin to dahil madidissapoint ka lang, mas okey pa kung yung mga 301 or 201's, kse yung mga BOSE plastic bodied speakers really sound's bad, pati nga professional 402's bibitinin ka pa sa bass at 16khz to 90hz 120watts priced at PHp.31T. mas okey pa yung EONS ng JBL dahil it could go down to 50hz at free air... 

Just an advice though... :) :) :) 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: synchro_01 on Dec 02, 2005 at 03:58 PM
Ano ba talaga ang description mo sa isang Audiophile?  

Anyways if you judge someone na naging Audiophile siya dahil sa pagbabasa at sa mga threads dito sa Pinoydvd according to you, better think muna before telling that to someone.

If your contented with BOSE then enjoy listening to it, just post whatever you think about BOSE having been an owner of it...

Audiophile?  Honestly I dont know because again it is very subjective...you dont earn that title like in school or something so I guess anybody can become an audiophile overnight and preach the word of audio the next day. I really dont care if one considers him/herself as an audiophile. as i've told you earlier...maybe you can try asking the "audiophiles" here in Pdvd who have been strutting their stuff everyday...maybe they can enlighten you with that definition that you seek.

Judge? I have judged no one...it is you who judged people for what they have..branding them as "brand rats" and "have no taste in HT and Audio" just because they have a brand of system that you totally hate due to the fact that at one time in your life you paid premium for that brand but unfortunately it did not meet your expectations...tough luck.

contented? oh yes I am. they fit my requirement at hand which is a compact all in one invisible system for BGM and cocktails. Unfortunately beyond that requirement they do fail in comparison with my other speakers but I guess thats another story altogether.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: shotgun on Dec 02, 2005 at 04:20 PM
contented? oh yes I am. they fit my requirement at hand which is a compact all in one invisible system for BGM and cocktails. Unfortunately beyond that requirement they do fail in comparison with my other speakers but I guess thats another story altogether.

Contentment. Now that for me is a more important term. Whatever the brand, cost, make, as long as it makes good music/sound relative to the listener, that should be okay.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 02, 2005 at 04:57 PM
Audiophile?  Honestly I dont know because again it is very subjective...you dont earn that title like in school or something so I guess anybody can become an audiophile overnight and preach the word of audio the next day. I really dont care if one considers him/herself as an audiophile. as i've told you earlier...maybe you can try asking the "audiophiles" here in Pdvd who have been strutting their stuff everyday...maybe they can enlighten you with that definition that you seek.

Judge? I have judged no one...it is you who judged people for what they have..branding them as "brand rats" and "have no taste in HT and Audio" just because they have a brand of system that you totally hate due to the fact that at one time in your life you paid premium for that brand but unfortunately it did not meet your expectations...tough luck.

contented? oh yes I am. they fit my requirement at hand which is a compact all in one invisible system for BGM and cocktails. Unfortunately beyond that requirement they do fail in comparison with my other speakers but I guess thats another story altogether.

Now who's imature? Well! well! well! another BOSE lover who again having "sour grapes" huwag ka mag alala natural lang yan iho!!! hehehehe!!!  :D :D :D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Dec 02, 2005 at 05:05 PM
Contentment. Now that for me is a more important term. Whatever the brand, cost, make, as long as it makes good music/sound relative to the listener, that should be okay.

TUMPAK KA DYAN!!!

synchro_01, kung may BOSE speakers ka, then tell something about it, nililihis mo yung topic eh!
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: john5479 on Dec 02, 2005 at 05:37 PM
 ::) my dad bought 101's for a bargain (P500) sounds ok for a small room, background music but that's it, definitely not for critical listening. midrange is not that clear, shrill highs and bass is definitely lacking, adding a sub helps though.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JT on Dec 02, 2005 at 06:02 PM
I think I posted these URL's previously .... basahin nyo na lang muna.

http://www.perrymarshall.com/marketing/bose.htm

http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html

http://liquidtheater.com/editorial_56.html

http://www.graskinhometheatre.bigstep.com/generic.html?pid=9


 



Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 02, 2005 at 06:42 PM
Bose-bashing is fairly common in many AV forums in the net.

There's really nothing ethical about pricing, every brand is free to price itself targeting various markets.  It just doesn't seem right for a speaker system with a frequency response of from 46Hz to 13khz with a -10db swing,  to be priced 3-5 times higher than a speaker system with a frequency response of a 30hz to 18khz + or - 3db that sounds so much better. The word "overprice" really takes on a more laughable meaning.  Ofcourse,  it's your money. And whether or not you like the sound, that's personal.  Buy I see nothing wrong in putting your foot down in the name of decency.  When you see so many people get suckered by a brand's marketing hype, knowing they are only getting proven mediocrity for the price that would have given them so much more elsewhere,  it can become a crusade of sorts, especially in AV forums like this, to educate as many people as possible about what products give the best value and what products to avoid.   Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 02, 2005 at 10:05 PM
Well in defense of BOSE, check out these speakers from BOSE Japan.

BOSE Japan has indeed some exclusive speaker technology.

And if by chance, next time, if ever I would buy BOSE speakers, I’ll make sure it’s a Japanese version. Like these model’s below.

Plus some technical specifications were given below, I’m just wondering why BOSE Japan didn’t market this internationally? Anyways here it is…

BOSE AM55

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/hanns76/pil_am55.jpg)

BOSE TOWERS
(55WER/55WER-S)×4
Impedance: 8 Ohms
Power: 60W rms(IEC268-5)
Size: 85(W)×1206(H)×100(D)mm
Wt.: 5.6kg

BOSE CENTER
(33WER/33WER-S)×1
Frequency: 75Hz∼20kHz
Impedance: 6 Ohms
Ratings: 30W rms (IEC268-5)
Size: 85(W)×405(H)×100(D)mm
Wt.: 2.6kg

BOSE Powered Subwoofer x 1
Size: 370(W)×401(H)×399(D)mm
Wt: 27kg
Ratings: 240W(4Ω 35Hz LPF150z)
Frequency: 50Hz∼150Hz 24dB/oct
Power AC: AC100V 50/60Hz


BOSE AM33

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/hanns76/pil_am33.jpg)

BOSE L/C/R – SR/SL
(33WER/33WER-S)×5
Frequency: 75Hz∼20kHz
Impedance: 6 Ohms
Ratings: 30W rms (IEC268-5)
Size: 85(W)×405(H)×100(D)mm
Wt.: 2.6kg

BOSE Powered Subwoofer x 1
Size: 370(W)×401(H)×399(D)mm
Wt: 27kg
Ratings: 240W(4Ω 35Hz LPF150z)
Frequency: 50Hz∼150Hz 24dB/oct
Power AC: AC100V 50/60Hz

Plus check out this BOSE speaker’s it really has some technical package into it, magkano kaya to sa Japan?

BOSE 464

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/hanns76/464.jpg)

Frequency: 38Hz∼35kHz
Impedance: 6 Ohms
Ratings: 100W rms (IEC268-5)
Size: 310(W)×606(H)×310(D)mm
Wt.: 20kg


BOSE PAWS

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/hanns76/pi_aws18.jpg)

BOSE AWS-18 Passive Subwoofer
25-140Hz (-3dB)
8 Ohms
450W rms (1W, 1M)
119dB (1m, 25-140Hz)
762(W)×1000(H)×597(D)mm
75.0kg

These are some speakers that BOSE International should take consideration. Mukhang okey naman pero again wag lang overpriced… 








Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: john5479 on Dec 03, 2005 at 12:08 AM
http://www.bose.co.jp/home_audio/av_speakers/index.html

srp is indicated
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: YrNeH on Dec 03, 2005 at 06:38 AM
i bought a bose accoustimas15 AM-15 about 2yrs ago (floorstock sale) and just used it for a day.  all i can say is i still love my existing system which is far far better sounding.  i wasn't  really happy with the sound of the AM15 so packed it, listed it on ebay and ended up with a AU$350 profit --not  bad eh.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 03, 2005 at 01:39 PM
BOSE HT Set / AM-55 – 320,000 YEN that’s Php. 144,000.00
BOSE HT Set / AM-33 – 224,000 YEN that’s Php. 108,000.00
BOSE WB / 464 – 188,000 YEN that’s Php. 84,600.00
BOSE Passive subwoofer / PAWS18 – 900,000 YEN that’s Php. 405,000.00
BOSE Active subwoofer / SW4 – 99,500 YEN that’s Php. 44,775.00

Oh-oh still over priced para sa matitinong BOSE speakers, may bumili kayang hapon nito????…
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Dec 03, 2005 at 10:10 PM
BOSE HT Set / AM-55 – 320,000 YEN that’s Php. 144,000.00
BOSE HT Set / AM-33 – 224,000 YEN that’s Php. 108,000.00
BOSE WB / 464 – 188,000 YEN that’s Php. 84,600.00
BOSE Passive subwoofer / PAWS18 – 900,000 YEN that’s Php. 405,000.00
BOSE Active subwoofer / SW4 – 99,500 YEN that’s Php. 44,775.00

Oh-oh still over priced para sa matitinong BOSE speakers, may bumili kayang hapon nito????…


Ngek!!! :o :o :o another set of overpriced BOSE, I rather buy a new car than that... okey lang kung below Php.80,000.00/set, but those price figures really its just unbelievable... :-\ :-\ :-\   
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 04, 2005 at 03:20 AM
Audiophile?  Honestly I dont know because again it is very subjective...you dont earn that title like in school or something so I guess anybody can become an audiophile overnight and preach the word of audio the next day. I really dont care if one considers him/herself as an audiophile. as i've told you earlier...maybe you can try asking the "audiophiles" here in Pdvd who have been strutting their stuff everyday...maybe they can enlighten you with that definition that you seek.

Judge? I have judged no one...it is you who judged people for what they have..branding them as "brand rats" and "have no taste in HT and Audio" just because they have a brand of system that you totally hate due to the fact that at one time in your life you paid premium for that brand but unfortunately it did not meet your expectations...tough luck.

contented? oh yes I am. they fit my requirement at hand which is a compact all in one invisible system for BGM and cocktails. Unfortunately beyond that requirement they do fail in comparison with my other speakers but I guess thats another story altogether.

Sir synchro_01

1st, the term “Brand Rat” is a terminology commonly used for persons who prefers to consider a popular brand when buying a product over or regardless of its make and made or specification, its not an insult to society but a word commonly used by sociologist.

2nd using the word “Audiophile” but not knowing the meaning of it, sure enough that you do not know what your talking about, coz when you use a certain portrayal of a person, that means you know what your describing him/her, but in the sense that, when an entity uses a word such as what I’ve mentioned, but cannot justify or identify the word as it is, it is a clear display of the meaning “incompetence”.

3rd having a good taste on music defines as being knowledgeable enough know the basic audible hearing of a human being 20hz – 20khz, does BOSE even closely possess this specification? Nada! So how do you define having a good taste in HT or music? Hearing only 13.3 khz to 280 hz then “blank” from 202hz to 46hz, does this mean you have good taste? Baka bingi ka? Oh well… 

4th  stating an entity to represent ones excitement or exhilaration, such as the person you describe “CEO” states that you venerate over the person you represent due to the fact that he possess a great belongings over another ones holding’s (eg. such as his Audio equipment’s you’ve just mentioned in your post over yours). Therefore, over a normal person, you are giving the impression as him being superior to you and that’s the fact.

So Mr. synchro_01 I don’t know kung bata ka pa or what? Maybe you just have less experience or understanding on Audio/Video/HT or society, don’t worry okey lang yan…

Pakinggan mo na lang yan BOSE mo enjoy…

Title: BOSE 2.2 -- suggestion
Post by: pixar on Dec 04, 2005 at 10:19 AM
Hi,

Seeking technical assistance, I am not a real audiphile although I understand putting stereo stuff together. I have had these hooked up to a Marantz PM-45 and noticed that the sound would disappear from one speaker (a specific one) and once in a while you hear static, the volume is too low.

I thought it was the amp but turns out it is not cause I hooked it up to a NAD 705 and it still seemed to happen. I am trying to eliminate the sources of the problem and now I think its the speaker itself.

My question:

1) Where can I have these Bose speakers checked?
2) What are other things I should look at?

I use an IPOD connected with stereo-RCA out, could it be the cable? Is it possible its the way the songs are ripped to the IPOD?

Thank you in advance, its such a waste cause I have had these since 88 and personally I think the sound quality is really nice and I do not want to bu new speakers since these hang perfectly from the ceiling in my living room.

They look like this:
http://cgi.befr.ebay.be/Bose-2-2-luidsprekers-DEMO_W0QQitemZ5831661455QQcategoryZ3276QQcmdZViewItem

Thanks and I appreciate the help!
Title: Re: BOSE 2.2 -- suggestion
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 04, 2005 at 06:12 PM
Check out you IPOD RCA cables, is it compatible with your IPOD to other Audio devices? RCA cables sometimes cause static if it is not properly insulated or already wornout and sometimes it has a difference in the polarity. specially the european version, because mostly they use the ring sleeves as the positive and the tip as negative (eg. QSC MX700 pro-amp euro version, the XLR output to QTR input of the amp).

I cant see any posibilties that your speakers causes this problem.     
Title: Re: BOSE 2.2 -- suggestion
Post by: pixar on Dec 05, 2005 at 09:20 AM
This is an interesting comment, I have changed the cables to a different one and it might take a few days for me to determine if the sound is much better.

I have eliminated the IPOD and the songs since I take it out a lot and the sound is okay in the car and travel speakers.

I eliminated the amps already, cables are good so it basically boils down to cable and speakers-

thanks for the help-
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Dec 05, 2005 at 01:11 PM

3rd having a good taste on music defines as being knowledgeable enough know the basic audible hearing of a human being 20hz – 20khz, does BOSE even closely possess this specification?


How do you want your coffee Mr. JFBagadiong? blacker? sweeter? creamier? So what defines a good taste in coffee?  ???
What's the standard in good coffee taste?

In the same terms, what defines a good taste in HT, Mr. JFBagadiong?  ???  ???
What's the standard in good HT taste?

I think you are the one that do not understand what you are saying ... that taste is dictated by an individual preferences - and not an imposed taste standard by another person to another person.


Hearing only 13.3 khz to 280 hz then “blank” from 202hz to 46hz, does this mean you have good taste? Baka bingi ka? Oh well… 

I think Synchro_01 knows BOSE has a HOLE. It is that you are not reading posts properly - BOSE do not have spectacular specs, and do not market audiophilia specs. They market cheap products, attractive to the moneyed market,and sells. Your "bingi" post is not in place!

So Mr. synchro_01 I don’t know kung bata ka pa or what? Maybe you just have less experience or understanding on Audio/Video/HT or society, don’t worry okey lang yan…


Yup! and I think you also do ... have less understanding!  :P

P.S. I know of hardcore audiophiles (undefined term?) just using full range in their audio rig - not 20 to 20khz - and I dont see a problem why they cant be called an audiophile - and that they have such a poor taste in music listening!  ???  ???  ???
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Kevlar on Dec 05, 2005 at 01:22 PM
I'm an audiophile and I actually like the appearance of Bose's 'cute' cubes.  
Very 'high-tech', 'modern' and 'futuristic' looking.  I think Bose sells because
of its 'fashion statement'.  Its creative small 'cube' design is very appealing
to buyers.

Having small, 'futuristic' looking cube speakers like Bose, adds beauty
to your living room.  It is like a plasma tv which makes your living room look
'modern', 'chic', 'stylistic' and 'futuristic'.  :)

As for the sound, Bose sounds reasonably good; comparable to brands such
as Kenwood, Pioneer, Sony and Panasonic but somehow lacking the bass of
those speakers.

My advice?  If you are happy with the Bose sound and are more concerned with
what the general population thinks of your sound system, buy a Bose.  You will
surely impress the general population.  If you want however the best sound
from your audio system and don't care what majority of the population thinks,
there are better and cheaper brands out there.  I suggest B&W's and other
British speakers for a start.  I seem to like 'British' sound though I hate the
'British' accent...  ;D

- Kevlar
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Dec 05, 2005 at 01:36 PM

My advice?  If you are happy with the Bose sound and are more concerned with
what the general population thinks of your sound system, buy a Bose.  You will
surely impress the general population.  If you want however the best sound
from your audio system and don't care what majority of the population thinks,
there are better and cheaper brands out there.  I suggest B&W's and other
British speakers for a start.  I seem to like 'British' sound though I hate the
'British' accent...  ;D

- Kevlar

Conversely,
If you are happy with your brand sound and are more concerned with what the general audiophile population thinks of your sound system, buy your brand.  You will surely impress the general 'audiophile' population.  If you want however the best (tasting) sound
from your audio system and don't care what majority of the audiophile population thinks, buy what satisfy you.  I suggest to use your ears and not the eyes (to look into the brands).

 ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: odyopayl on Dec 05, 2005 at 01:46 PM
I'm not an owner (hope soon to be) but anybody can help me find slightly used Acoustimass 7. Somebody want to upgrade their bose? PLs. PM me your price. Thanks for reading.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 05, 2005 at 02:05 PM

I think Synchro_01 knows BOSE has a HOLE. It is that you are not reading posts properly - BOSE do not have spectacular specs, and do not market audiophilia specs. They market cheap products, attractive to the moneyed market,and sells. Your "bingi" post is not in place!

"They market cheap products, attractive to the moneyed market..."   :o ??? ???
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: shotgun on Dec 05, 2005 at 02:16 PM
It's really a 'Lifestyle' brand. Same way someone buys a Vertu phone for $5,000 just because he likes how it looks, even though it's a basic phone.

Just a question though: If I was really picky on size and is thinking to get the bose acoustimas.. are there other options that are just as small and sound similar/better without the high price tag?
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 05, 2005 at 03:12 PM

How do you want your coffee Mr. JFBagadiong? blacker? sweeter? creamier? So what defines a good taste in coffee?  ???
What's the standard in good coffee taste?

In the same terms, what defines a good taste in HT, Mr. JFBagadiong?  ???  ???
What's the standard in good HT taste?

I think you are the one that do not understand what you are saying ... that taste is dictated by an individual preferences - and not an imposed taste standard by another person to another person.


I think Synchro_01 knows BOSE has a HOLE. It is that you are not reading posts properly - BOSE do not have spectacular specs, and do not market audiophilia specs. They market cheap products, attractive to the moneyed market,and sells. Your "bingi" post is not in place!

Yup! and I think you also do ... have less understanding!  :P

P.S. I know of hardcore audiophiles (undefined term?) just using full range in their audio rig - not 20 to 20khz - and I dont see a problem why they cant be called an audiophile - and that they have such a poor taste in music listening!  ???  ???  ???


SO you call youre self "audiophile" eventhough you dont know what's the meaning of it? sige tagalugin ko na baka mahirapan kapa intindihin ito iho,... "Audiophile" eh hindi mo alam ang ibig sabihin nito? "kape" pa kaya? bata ka pa nga siguro mahirap ka patulan dahil napaka immature mo pag dating sa ganitong bagay... haggang ganyan ka na lang ba? wala kang definition sa field na pinapasok mo, dapat siguro mag aral at magkaroon kapa ng expirience, bago ka makipag usap sa ganitong level dahil mahirap bumaba sa level mo... period!!!   
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Abad Santos 7 on Dec 05, 2005 at 03:19 PM
Hey Gentlemen,

Just hold your horses.  This trend should be information sharing and not
a "Contest" whose the best audiophile in the.....

Peace... :) :) :)



Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Dec 05, 2005 at 03:28 PM
OO nga mga bro. If somebody needs sympathy and condolences that you feel you were sacked by any brand,,Go somewhere else.  Basta kami happy sa Bose! and fortunately we don't share your sentiments. Who is immature now!
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 05, 2005 at 03:29 PM
It's really a 'Lifestyle' brand. Same way someone buys a Vertu phone for $5,000 just because he likes how it looks, even though it's a basic phone.

Just a question though: If I was really picky on size and is thinking to get the bose acoustimas.. are there other options that are just as small and sound similar/better without the high price tag?

There are.  I believe there's a Klipsch model.  There's even a cube Monitor Audio I just saw yesterday at Spectra.  At the other end of the price scale,  you'd be surprised that those generic brands like Xenon have copied the accoustimas cube style almost to a T and sounds just like them, at a mere tenth of the price.  
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Dec 05, 2005 at 03:36 PM

How do you want your coffee Mr. JFBagadiong? blacker? sweeter? creamier? So what defines a good taste in coffee?  ???
What's the standard in good coffee taste?

In the same terms, what defines a good taste in HT, Mr. JFBagadiong?  ???  ???
What's the standard in good HT taste?

I think you are the one that do not understand what you are saying ... that taste is dictated by an individual preferences - and not an imposed taste standard by another person to another person.


I think Synchro_01 knows BOSE has a HOLE. It is that you are not reading posts properly - BOSE do not have spectacular specs, and do not market audiophilia specs. They market cheap products, attractive to the moneyed market,and sells. Your "bingi" post is not in place!

Yup! and I think you also do ... have less understanding!  :P

P.S. I know of hardcore audiophiles (undefined term?) just using full range in their audio rig - not 20 to 20khz - and I dont see a problem why they cant be called an audiophile - and that they have such a poor taste in music listening!  ???  ???  ???


aHobbit ikaw siguro dapat ang magbasa ng mga previous post, dahil obviously you dont keep tracked of it.

Mr. JFBagadiong is not against BOSE infact he even posted some good BOSE speakers from Japan, if you keep a close look at the situation, he's very particular in the BOSE missing numbers which will greatly affect the performance when the sound arrived at your ears so defining it ang noticing what's there and whats not and as much as possible defining the full 100% spectrum of sound make's you qualify as a true "audiophile", because for the fact he know's how to define what frequency is missing by merely lisiting to the speakers it self. If your an average listener and dont notice any difference between BOSE and JBL when you audition them that makes you just an average listener, but when you research and took it seriouly that field of study (eg. acoustics) then I can say you really can be define as an "Audiophile".

and please stick to the topic, hindi sa mga philosopong comments mo...
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Dec 05, 2005 at 03:47 PM
OO nga mga bro. If somebody needs sympathy and condolences that you feel you were sacked by any brand,,Go somewhere else.  Basta kami happy sa Bose! and fortunately we don't share your sentiments. Who is immature now!

Well at least your enjoying your BOSE, how do you compare the performance of your BOSE against other similar speakers like JBL, Def Tech, etc etc... can you tell us the superiority of your BOSE? sa iyong opinion lang naman...

para naman makatulong sa mga balak bumili ng BOSE in the future...
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: dhoyax on Dec 05, 2005 at 04:02 PM
im glad to see this forum.............im a bose fanatic also.....so far wala akong comment sa Bose as long as you know the proper set-up. right now i have the acoustimass 16 which i purchased in hong kong 2 years ago..........so far so good.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: john5479 on Dec 05, 2005 at 04:04 PM
I think being happy with a system is different from saying that it is superior. The links provided I think is enough for someone to have an idea of what to expect from a bose system, aside from the fact of actually hearing it. The topic of what an audiophile is should be discussed on a spearate thread. One thing i've learned is to respect each other's choices, as long as they are informed its up to them if they want to stick with what they have...its their choice.

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: dhoyax on Dec 05, 2005 at 04:08 PM
Well at least your enjoying your BOSE, how do you compare the performance of your BOSE against other similar speakers like JBL, Def Tech, etc etc... can you tell us the superiority of your BOSE? sa iyong opinion lang naman...

para naman makatulong sa mga balak bumili ng BOSE in the future...

f u compare similar wattage of bose & JBL.....this s my assestment 100% bose & 85% JBL for sounds quality.....but for price medyo mahal lang talaga ang bose
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: dhoyax on Dec 05, 2005 at 04:28 PM
Just curious lang po. Meron na bang nagkamaling i derekta yung cube speakers sa ampli/receiver? I know that the manual says that you shouldn't do it. Matagal ko nang gustong gawin pero sayang kung masisira. The way i see it its either puputok yung cube speaker o lalalabas yung totoong tunog nung cubes kapag wala yung bass module nya.

i try this experiment before.......hindi naman puputok ang speaker mo.......but der s a possibility na puputok sya kung mas malakas (watts) ang AV receiver mo kaysa sa speaker mo.........pero huwag mo ng subukan dahil hindi rin maganda ang kinalalabasan ng sounds at safe pa ang cube speaker mo.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Dec 05, 2005 at 04:43 PM
Well at least your enjoying your BOSE, how do you compare the performance of your BOSE against other similar speakers like JBL, Def Tech, etc etc... can you tell us the superiority of your BOSE? sa iyong opinion lang naman...

para naman makatulong sa mga balak bumili ng BOSE in the future...

Well I'm not an expert but I had a short chance of hearing the brands you mentioned before taking home my Bose,it only took time for me to raise the budget but my final decision is I WANT BOSE!
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 05, 2005 at 05:20 PM
I think being happy with a system is different from saying that it is superior. The links provided I think is enough for someone to have an idea of what to expect from a bose system, aside from the fact of actually hearing it. The topic of what an audiophile is should be discussed on a spearate thread. One thing i've learned is to respect each other's choices, as long as they are informed its up to them if they want to stick with what they have...its their choice.



I agree, being informed and still insisting on your choice is a personal call.  I can understand members like JFBagadiong, who after learning their mistakes, would like to share it with fellow members for their enlightenment.   Take it or leave it.  Can't blame him for tryng.

Actually, I am a bit surprised that there's a loud following of Bose accoustimas and lifestyle products in this forum.   Those internet sites about Bose linked in some posts here are quite old.   BOSE-bashing has become a divertisement among serous audiophiles as they consider this product and its pricing a real JOKE.   ;D

The topic of what an audiophile is can be seen as relevant in the discussion.  That's when you consider if the Bose accoustimas, with its 13khz bandwidth and a -10db deviation in some places, is audiophile-grade or not.  I  don't think so.  But maybe another thread is in order. 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: john5479 on Dec 05, 2005 at 07:12 PM
I don't think i would call bose acoustimass audiophile grade as well. And although the links are quite old, the "newer" acoustimass modules aren't that much different.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 05, 2005 at 07:37 PM
I don't think i would call bose acoustimass audiophile grade as well. And although the links are quite old, the "newer" acoustimass modules aren't that much different.

Yup, they're not.  When I said those links were old, I had thought people would by now be informed of the pitfalls of going the Bose path.  But obviously there are many who still do.   I don't know how people define what  audiophile-grade appliances are.  But anything with a mere 13khz bandwidth is definitely not one of them. 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Dec 06, 2005 at 12:15 AM
For those who happen to audition Def tech procinema 60 and BOSE AM15...

BOSE challenge - Def Tech Pro 60 vs AM15

Who do you think performs better? sonic performance? built? timbre mathing? etc etc...

Give your best defense...   
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Dec 06, 2005 at 12:21 AM

I think Synchro_01 knows BOSE has a HOLE. It is that you are not reading posts properly - BOSE do not have spectacular specs, and do not market audiophilia specs. They market cheap products, attractive to the moneyed market,and sells. Your "bingi" post is not in place!

Yup! and I think you also do ... have less understanding!  :P

P.S. I know of hardcore audiophiles (undefined term?) just using full range in their audio rig - not 20 to 20khz - and I dont see a problem why they cant be called an audiophile - and that they have such a poor taste in music listening!  ???  ???  ???


from the "bingi" post...

Sir you've already auditioned speakers like JBL, Def Tech, B&W...etc...etc...then still the most speaker that impressed you was BOSE that produces only 13.3 khz? what do you call that?.... total audible hearing?
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: synchro_01 on Dec 06, 2005 at 09:13 AM
I think being happy with a system is different from saying that it is superior. The links provided I think is enough for someone to have an idea of what to expect from a bose system, aside from the fact of actually hearing it. The topic of what an audiophile is should be discussed on a spearate thread. One thing i've learned is to respect each other's choices, as long as they are informed its up to them if they want to stick with what they have...its their choice.

hanns1976

please read this post of john5479.  I do hope you understand what he means. choosing one brand over another isnt an indication that one brand is superior over the other...its all a matter of personal choice and respecting one's choice. If you cannot comprehend what he means by his post then I guess its you who has a problem.

Happy with my Bose? for its application (sala BGM music/cocktails) yes. Im happy with what it can do but I do know its limitations.  If I were to have only one system then I guess it wont be a Bose due to its inherent limitations that you and JFB has mentioned all throughout this thread but thank God im blessed with having other systems at my disposal that i really like as well and can blow away the Bose to high heavens (even Def techs, JBL's too... ;D).  its all just a matter of what I want to listen to. 




Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: s2kov on Dec 06, 2005 at 10:18 AM
mabilis ang takbo ng thread na toh! ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: scofield on Dec 06, 2005 at 11:10 AM
ito ang debate! sana pag nakahrap harap kayo wag sana kayo mag suntukan....

wala akong bose o kahit na anong magagarang audio equipment. nakiki home theater lang ako sa friend ko..

pansin ko lang hindi kayo ngkakaintindihan. cguro nga mga audiophile kayong lahat pero wala sa inyo ang marunong mag basa ng maayos. meron dito yung ngbigay ng hint na nakapag design na siya ng mga acoustic room o anu pa man yun, magaling nga sya cguro pero hindi pa rin sya marunong makinig...makinig sa mga sinasabi ng iba, basta gusto nya ang maririnig lang nya yung sarili nya.

meron din dito yung pro-bose, mahusay sya magpaliwanag. mas naiintindihan ko point nya. nirerespeto ko sya pero may sadyang ayaw magpatalo sa kanya. ang sinasabi lang naman nya ay PARA SA KANYA/SA SARILI NYA hindi nya sinasabing gayahin mo, paniwalaan mo maganada ang AM ng bose. Hindi nga rin nya sinabi na ito na ang the best. sabi nga nya pang easy listening lang nya ito, at meron syang ibang set-up for rockrockan.

pansin ko rin na may sabat ng sabat hindi naman ata nag babasa ng mga previous post na pampagulo lang kay hanssolo at johncussack...hehehe peace

respeto lang yan....

Subjective daw itong hobby na ito ibig sabihin, maaring ang gusto ko at maganda para sa akin ay hindi mo gusto at pangit para sa iyo. pero hindi kita pipilitin na gustuhin mo yung gusto ko, walang nmimilit sa iyo d ba?


hindi ako pabor sa bose, pero sa debateng ito mas sensible ang mga pro-bose. mas malawak ang pang unawa nila. para sa akin hindi sila ang isip bata/makikitid ang utak. mas relaks sila hindi sila napipikon. pinapakita lng nil n confident sila sa mga sinasabi nila. at kung bata nga sila, natural lang na hindi papayag ang matatanda na matalo ng isang btang paslit sa isang debateng tulad nito.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 06, 2005 at 11:42 AM
Interesting to look back at the earlier thread on BOSE.  Meron pala.  I think there's another previous to this but may have been taken out in the earlier upgardes of the forum.

http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=5037.0

This was started mid 2002.  The issues against Bose have not really changed at all.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: rony on Dec 06, 2005 at 11:44 AM
mabilis ang takbo ng thread na toh! ;D

Andy meron din ako dati na BOSE 2nd hand dyan pa sa clark ko nabili.  :D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: john5479 on Dec 06, 2005 at 12:15 PM
Interesting to look back at the earlier thread on BOSE.  Meron pala.  I think there's another previous to this but may have been taken out in the earlier upgardes of the forum.

http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=5037.0

This was started mid 2002.  The issues against Bose have not really changed at all.

true, same issues, same arguments.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aldrinpsx on Dec 06, 2005 at 12:32 PM
One Word.... RESPECT.


peace!!!!!
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 06, 2005 at 01:23 PM
One Word.... RESPECT.


peace!!!!!

No argument there.  I only wish Bose would treat its market likewise.  The way I see it, when you price a mediocre product as if it stands toe to toe with a superb product half its price and make claims about how good it sounds when it obviously cannot hold a candle with even entry level speakers out there costing just a fraction, I cannot help but conclude the brand is taking its market for a ride. 

We should respect each other's opinion about his/her choices in this hobby.  True.  But pointing out what is wrong with these Bose products is entirely another matter and shouldn't be taken personally.   I think the original spirit of the poster in this thread is to reveal to us all why we should avoid this brand when there are other brands out there with better performance at the same or lower price.  To those who already have this product, they can validate these findings if they want or stick with it.  And there are many Bose owners who've realized these products for what they really are.  To those who do not, they can take it or leave it, just like any advice offered in this forum. 

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 06, 2005 at 01:49 PM
Yung ibang BOSE lovers dito tend to bash the persons capabilities and questioning their qualifications being an "audiophile" for the fact they started to disrespect the advice of some previous BOSE owners.

kasi wala silang ma idepensa regardig their purchase of the over priced BOSE speakers... kaya tinitira nila yung na enlighten na about BOSE...

Again and again im telling you redundantly "I have nothing against BOSE" all I asked of BOSE owners is to share their expirience with their speakers.

Coz, this post is to help our fellow novice hobbiyst, so they'll know what to expect just incase their planning to buy BOSE...

as for me i'll stop questioning the persons capabilties on how they accept the perseption of sound. I will rather share some BOSE information regarding these speakers, what to expect and not, whats there and how it performs, yun naman ang main pupose of this post... FINITO!!!       
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: 5Speed on Dec 06, 2005 at 02:05 PM
jfbagadiong....

I agree with you and some other posters....

If somebody loves his BOSE speakers and happy the way it sounds.....fine...

If someone doesnt like it and opt for a different system..... fine as well...

But dont take it too personally and attack others people here in this forum,  as some of the posters says....kanya-kanyang tenga lang yan.... the most important thing is you are happy with what you have and you dont feel cheated with what you've pay for or to put it in other way, you feel that its a money well spent for.....

just my 50cents on this...  chao.... ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 06, 2005 at 02:37 PM
and you dont feel cheated with what you've pay for or to put it in other way, you feel that its a money well spent for.....

I think that's the crux of the Bose matter.  ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: krell69 on Dec 06, 2005 at 04:54 PM
That's how we learn then we upgrade (spend more). Now compare your  Klipsch with other brand say Monitor Audio Silver series. Don't tell me walang ka kwenta kwenta Klipsch mo.

Just me.

Tingnan mo, kinu-compare ko youg Bose ko sa Klipsch ng kaibigan ko (personal experience ko to) Pero ang sagut nitung Sir Ganichu e-compare ko raw young Klipsch ko sa Monitor Audio. Ang layo sa topic.
Dati akong Bose lover, but when I compaired my Bose speaker to another brand side-by-side, dito ko nalaman low quality pala yung sound pati na yong materials na ginagamit nila............At least gising na ako ngayon.... hindi na natotolug.....
(personal experience ko to) so please huwag kayong mag-comment kung hindi nyo nasubukan.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: devo on Dec 06, 2005 at 05:37 PM
I started out with HT year 2003 with an AMS series, I was truly enjoying it then for a year till I discovered this site which gave me lot of insights on the whole HT concept. I am now on a fully different set of gears and yet there was no remorse on my side since I enjoyed BOSE the year I was not fully aware that there are other brands that can bring you more enjoyment. Yes, I believe it was overpriced upon reading this site but I guess looking back when I enjoyed the set, what the heck... charge it to experience.

HT/Audio is a never-ending journey towards fulfillment and BOSE became just a chapter on my trip on this audio saga. Up to now, I make mistakes in buying brands, but just charge it as another part of my audio experience... like BOSE.

Another point is let us not defeat the purpose of this forum since a lot of us have benefited from the exchange of ideas and experiences, let us be careful with the use of words since some threads become ugly because of this and has become an unpleasant piece to read and nag-iiba ang dating............. PEACE   ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 06, 2005 at 07:35 PM
Here's more info about BOSE AM series.

When you are planning to mount your cubes on the wall or ceiling, wala ka mabibili 8mm screw's dahil it is fine threaded, I tried buying screws but they wont fit either, yung dedicated wall mounting kit lang nila ang tutugma pero Php6-7T ang price, plus yung wire's niya you can't use any thicker than what they supplied in the box, so hindi ako makagamit ng higher class, also its too cluttered dahil before you connect a wire sa cube it has to pass thru AMbass module, eh paano kung location ng bass module masyado malayo sa cubes eh di ang haba ng wires nun.

And when your planning to install those cubes sa ceiling as HT mawawala yung steering dahil masyado mataas. I tired it before and when I watched the movie "2Fast 2F" as if the cars seems to pass at our ceiling even when their pointed downwards kaya ang daming holes ng ceiling namin dahil hindi ko makuha ang tamang speakers placement's.

I dont like the wall mounts dahil mawawala yung "invinsibility" pupose niya so I bought the cube speaker stands but dahil you can see them na, naiisip ko kung ganito rin lang naman ang cube "ala" floor stander na siya dahil sa stands niya it is using the space on my floor so instead sana bumili na ako ng tunay na floor stander speaker.   

And the AMbass module ang hirap ng placement, lalo na kung irregular ang shape ng living room dahil hindi masyado marinig kung front fired yung bass ports niya, pero kung corner wall naman too boomy parang hindi niya ma achieve yung tamang vibrations like sa movie na "Jurassic Park 1" yung steps ni Trex hindi ko masyado ma appreciate, then same with "Godzilla".

Yung airmass from the bass module supposed to be undistorted pero dahil sa design nito parang midbass lang not lower, I matched it with Ganzklar subs para parehas siyang ported design pero parang ang layo ng performance ng Ganzklar subs yung GSX series hindi kayang abutin ng AMBass module, halatang halata ang hole sa low's niya...           
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 06, 2005 at 08:18 PM
And one more thing talo pag dating sa upgrade, hanggang Bose AM16 palang wala pang AM17, so basically 6.1 palang ang BOSE AM series, paano kung mag 7.1 or 8.1 ka na? 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Dec 06, 2005 at 08:26 PM
And one more thing talo pag dating sa upgrade, hanggang Bose AM16 palang wala pang AM17, so basically 6.1 palang ang BOSE AM series, paano kung mag 7.1 or 8.1 ka na? 

I think you have to buy upgrading cubes like from AM15 to AM16 pero hanggang dun lang yun, otherwise you will have to buy separate BOSE stand alone speakers like BOSE 301 or 201 for the 7.1 and so on...
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 06, 2005 at 08:32 PM
Oo nga pala, meron naman one thing good about BOSE AM series speakers...

Oky siya pang videoke at pang gamit sa business like retail shops or internet cafe, ala back ground music... nakakaimpress sa mga tao like, same sa marketing strategy nila, kaya balik ng balik ang tao sa bahay nyo or sa business location mo...   
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Kevlar on Dec 07, 2005 at 01:53 PM
Tingnan mo, kinu-compare ko youg Bose ko sa Klipsch ng kaibigan ko (personal experience ko to) Pero ang sagut nitung Sir Ganichu e-compare ko raw young Klipsch ko sa Monitor Audio. Ang layo sa topic.
Dati akong Bose lover, but when I compaired my Bose speaker to another brand side-by-side, dito ko nalaman low quality pala yung sound pati na yong materials na ginagamit nila............At least gising na ako ngayon.... hindi na natotolug.....
(personal experience ko to) so please huwag kayong mag-comment kung hindi nyo nasubukan.

I actually compared Bose's bookshelf speakers (forgot the model) with B&W's DM600 S3 bookshelf
speakers.  Both are about the same size and price so I guess the comparison was reasonably
'fair'.  The left speaker was the Bose and the right speaker was the B&W. 

I tested with various music genres.  The test started with the balance shifted to the left speaker - Bose. 
Bose sounds reasonably good, if you don't have anything to compare it with.   However, when the balance
is shifted to the right speaker - the B&W, the Bose sound suddently becomes 'mediocre' in comparison. 
(If you are new to audio, you really wouldn't realize it until you truly A/B compare Bose with another speaker.)

Alternately shifting the balance left and right revealed the 'thin' nature of the Bose sound, and
its typical characteristic bright and raspy sound at the treble frequencies. The Bose midrange is cold,
almost devoid of warmth and life.  In contrast, the B&W midrange sounded lush and warm and forward
resembling much more like a real person singing.  The B&W treble frequencies are impressive. Guitars sound
like real guitars, drums and pianos sound like the real instruments.  The B&W treble did not sound raspy at all,
and was in fact, very pleasing to the ear (my ear, of course).  With bass frequencies, the B&W sounded stronger
than the Bose yet still maintains good control.

I did my first A/B comparison above between similar models of Bose and B&W when I was still new in the hobby.
I have concluded it really doesn't take a seasoned/trained ear to notice the difference.  If you ask me to
compare Bose sound with that of my B&W 600 S3's now, I'd really be insulted.  There's just no comparison.

While I've read a lot of negative comments about Bose in practically all of the audio forums I've visited, I believe,
the pathological 'hatred' of Bose is rather 'exaggerated'.  Many of those who speak against Bose in audio forums
telling everyone that Bose sucks actually don't have 'first hand' experience with a Bose product. These people
just learn from the forums and the internet and use the bad Bose reputation in the audiophile community as a
license to join the rest (who truly have first hand experience) in 'stoning/condemning' Bose. 

I think this practice in audio forums should be stopped.  Unless you have really first hand experience with the Bose
sound and have really tried to compare it side by side with another speaker brand, it would be best to keep your
Bose bashing to yourself.  That way, we can separate the 'choir' from the 'echo'.


- Kevlar
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 07, 2005 at 04:00 PM
I actually compared Bose's bookshelf speakers (forgot the model) with B&W's DM600 S3 bookshelf
speakers.  Both are about the same size and price so I guess the comparison was reasonably
'fair'.  The left speaker was the Bose and the right speaker was the B&W. 

I tested with various music genres.  The test started with the balance shifted to the left speaker - Bose. 
Bose sounds reasonably good, if you don't have anything to compare it with.   However, when the balance
is shifted to the right speaker - the B&W, the Bose sound suddently becomes 'mediocre' in comparison. 
(If you are new to audio, you really wouldn't realize it until you truly A/B compare Bose with another speaker.)

Alternately shifting the balance left and right revealed the 'thin' nature of the Bose sound, and
its typical characteristic bright and raspy sound at the treble frequencies. The Bose midrange is cold,
almost devoid of warmth and life.  In contrast, the B&W midrange sounded lush and warm and forward
resembling much more like a real person singing.  The B&W treble frequencies are impressive. Guitars sound
like real guitars, drums and pianos sound like the real instruments.  The B&W treble did not sound raspy at all,
and was in fact, very pleasing to the ear (my ear, of course).  With bass frequencies, the B&W sounded stronger
than the Bose yet still maintains good control.

I did my first A/B comparison above between similar models of Bose and B&W when I was still new in the hobby.
I have concluded it really doesn't take a seasoned/trained ear to notice the difference.  If you ask me to
compare Bose sound with that of my B&W 600 S3's now, I'd really be insulted.  There's just no comparison.

While I've read a lot of negative comments about Bose in practically all of the audio forums I've visited, I believe,
the pathological 'hatred' of Bose is rather 'exaggerated'.  Many of those who speak against Bose in audio forums
telling everyone that Bose sucks actually don't have 'first hand' experience with a Bose product. These people
just learn from the forums and the internet and use the bad Bose reputation in the audiophile community as a
license to join the rest (who truly have first hand experience) in 'stoning/condemning' Bose. 

I think this practice in audio forums should be stopped.  Unless you have really first hand experience with the Bose
sound and have really tried to compare it side by side with another speaker brand, it would be best to keep your
Bose bashing to yourself.  That way, we can separate the 'choir' from the 'echo'.


- Kevlar

Good point Kev's, definetely B&W's far best than BOSE, beside's you have one good point for BOSE owners.

here's more info on BOSE cube's. the pin type speaker cable connector really arent that big, so big cables cannot be inserted unless you use a high grade thin cable which is much more expensive, plus the stand's that hide the cable at their solid metal "stems" cannot either insert a larger cable's... 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JT on Dec 07, 2005 at 06:19 PM
While I've read a lot of negative comments about Bose in practically all of the audio forums I've visited, I believe,
the pathological 'hatred' of Bose is rather 'exaggerated'.  Many of those who speak against Bose in audio forums
telling everyone that Bose sucks actually don't have 'first hand' experience with a Bose product. These people
just learn from the forums and the internet and use the bad Bose reputation in the audiophile community as a
license to join the rest (who truly have first hand experience) in 'stoning/condemning' Bose. 
- Kevlar

Totally agree.   Thats why I said earlier,  "I dont have anything against BOSE because I dont have BOSE".   Dehins ako nagoyo ... hehehe.  Sorry, cant help it.  PEACE!!!


Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: bumblebee on Dec 07, 2005 at 08:08 PM
I don't think it's practical to try re-discover things that are already discovered.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Dec 07, 2005 at 10:50 PM
Guys can you give any comments on Dai-ichi's LS-32 and SA-3 vs. BOSE AM cubes.

You idea and comment's is highly appreciated...
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Dec 07, 2005 at 10:53 PM
ito talaga si Tony Chua alyas "JT" pasaway eh... hehehehe! PEACE!! ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: akyatbundok on Dec 08, 2005 at 01:49 AM
this is making me curious..... i think i'll go visit their showroom just to hear how bad it really is.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Kevlar on Dec 08, 2005 at 09:14 AM
I don't think it's practical to try re-discover things that are already discovered.

It is practical and reassuring, mind you, to 'rediscover' what many have already
discovered about Bose.  You will never realize what you've got and what others
are talking about until you have first hand experience with a Bose product and
compared it side by side with your speaker or another speaker.

Bose threads would have been shorter and more educational and useful
if we separate the 'echo' from the 'choir'.   Frequently, in Bose threads kasi,
many Bose bashers haven't even compared Bose side by side their own speakers. 
They just bash and bash Bose because that is what almost everyone else is doing
in the forum.  I'd like to repeat that this is wrong. 


By doing so, we will only be filling Bose threads with useless bashing when
it could have contained more useful information like 'first hand' testimonials
from previous Bose owners or 'first hand'  Bose speaker vs. another speaker
comparison from members with 'first hand' Bose experience.

If you really want to help others avoid Bose but never had experience
with Bose
, just refer them to websites that conducted first hand
measurements with Bose speakers and advise them that Bose has a bad
reputation in the audiophile community. 

This way, Bose forums like this one will be a lot shorter and will contain
more useful 'first hand' information about Bose speakers rather than
mere echoes of Bose bashers who never had any Bose experience.

=====================================================

this is making me curious..... i think i'll go visit their showroom just to hear how bad it really is.

See? Some members here already start to think Bose sound is really very bad.
This is because of the incessant Bose bashing in Bose threads!

The truth is that Bose sound really is not that bad, and in fact, many find it to sound
quite reasonably good.   It is just that for the same price or lower, you can get really
better or even excellent sound elsewhere. 

- Kevlar

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: bumblebee on Dec 08, 2005 at 09:53 AM
Before anything else, Hi Kevlar.

Quote
It is practical and reassuring, mind you, to 'rediscover' what many have already
discovered about Bose.  You will never realize what you've got and what others
are talking about until you have first hand experience with a Bose product and
compared it side by side with your speaker or another speaker.

You said you'll be insulted w/ the comparison. Why repeat the experiment?

Quote
Bose threads would have been shorter and more educational and useful
if we separate the 'echo' from the 'choir'.   Frequently, in Bose threads kasi,
many Bose bashers haven't even compared Bose side by side their own speakers. 
They just bash and bash Bose because that is what almost everyone else is doing
in the forum.  I'd like to repeat that this is wrong.

Bose threads would have been shorter and more educational and useful if members would stop bashing each other.
 
Quote
By doing so, we will only be filling Bose threads with useless bashing when
it could have contained more useful information like 'first hand' testimonials
from previous Bose owners or 'first hand'  Bose speaker vs. another speaker
comparison from members with 'first hand' Bose experience.

I get to listen to Bose every week this year and 2-3 times a week for the last 4. In Kamiseta stores hehehe. Would that qualify as 'first hand'? Not much difference w/ the mini components used by the neighboring stores.

Quote
The truth is that Bose sound really is not that bad, and in fact, many find it to sound
quite reasonably good.   It is just that for the same price or lower, you can get really
better or even excellent sound elsewhere. 

Fair enough. But Bose claim better sound through research...
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 08, 2005 at 11:23 AM

The truth is that Bose sound really is not that bad, and in fact, many find it to sound
quite reasonably good.   It is just that for the same price or lower, you can get really
better or even excellent sound elsewhere



You nailed the matter to a T.  That's the problem and the reason for the bose-bashing.  When consumers eventually feel cheated out of their hard-earned dough, that's when the bashing starts.  A 13khz bandwidth isn't really as bad as a 10khz bandwidth that AM radio has.  They actually sound respectable for a mediocre piece of gear.  But when you start to price them as if they were as good as some speakers costing as much, and you start to compare them with these speakers that no BOSE distributor will allow, you begin to go beyond the bounds of DECENCY.  That's when the bashing gets heated. 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: arnoldc on Dec 08, 2005 at 01:15 PM
I have a BOSE 301 Continental Edition of more than 15 years. It was stored for a very long time after serving as my primary system in the past. I started using it again for testing my DIY amps (ok lang masira eh). When my resident HT front speakers were bought by a friend, I used the BOSE temporarily until I can buy a decent speaker. And my search started a couple of months ago...

I home-auditioned the Dali Concept 2 which was my favorite in the in-store auditions I had which included a couple of speaker brands/models. I was surprised how bad it sounded in the living room, which was not the sound I heard in-store.

I tried the Aurum Cantus Leisure SE (ata, yung parang pyramid ang korte), ok lang, but does not beat the BOSE.

I was so frustrated that the speakers trying to replace the BOSE is getting more expensive. How hard is it to replace a BOSE???

I had a unique opportunity to audition a high-end Paradigm, known for HT applications. This time, I invited an audiophile friend to listen and judge. I connected the Paradigm and had him listen, connected the BOSE andhad him listen. Then he asked me- "magkano yang Paradigm?" so I gave him the figure. He said "wag mo na palitan yang BOSE mo, maliit ang improvement with the Paradigm." The Paradigm was the best sounding speaker I've tried in that setup, but it will cost me a lot of money to justify replacing a BOSE!

The BOSE stayed, bumili na lang ako ng Dali na subwoofer.

The living room played an important factor and I still can't believe why the other speakers (Dali and Aurum Cantus) were not able to shine.

Oh well...
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Dec 08, 2005 at 02:08 PM
I've got the same experience. I bought a pre-owned Acoustic Energy Evo3 for my audio setup sana, but still not contended and I happened to got a pre owned B&W 602 S3 too. I tried them on my HT Onkyo TX DS 656 with Bose Acoustimass 7, replaced the AM7 but my ears still finds the Bose more pleasing. So I hooked back my AM7, sold the AEEvo3 and the 602S3 and bought an Epos M12.2 for the audio. I don't find the reason why should I damped my Bose set-up  in exchange for new set of HT spkrs, mapapagastos pa ko cause I have to look for matching center and surround spkrs pa.

Siguro gamayan lang ng tunog.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: rmpmla on Dec 08, 2005 at 02:28 PM
i still got my 401 S4 and i also used it for test of my DIY amps. now, if the issue is  pricing then go the pre-owned stuff.

yung 401 e nabili ko lang ng P2,000 ;D

compare ko sound nito sa iba ko pang speakers pero mas maganda pa rin siyang tumunog. puro bookshelf  nga lang yung comparison - Wharfedale diamond3, MS 3.10, Polk Audio monitor 5j+, at B&W 602 S2.

ito nga pala yung pic. nakapatong yung MS 3.10

 (http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0QQD8AggTsmoB5VO0yyAelrdjixcsNKkXJHMf0hjCUGW8U4uv7hZRhmek1upeliGGCY5V!AmcVnxXlhduBf4A6kUwrK8nntYYGvpBq8Ce2ZE/setup.JPG?dc=4675536847397113880)

peace :)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 08, 2005 at 11:25 PM
i still got my 401 S4 and i also used it for test of my DIY amps. now, if the issue is  pricing then go the pre-owned stuff.

yung 401 e nabili ko lang ng P2,000 ;D

compare ko sound nito sa iba ko pang speakers pero mas maganda pa rin siyang tumunog. puro bookshelf  nga lang yung comparison - Wharfedale diamond3, MS 3.10, Polk Audio monitor 5j+, at B&W 602 S2.

ito nga pala yung pic. nakapatong yung MS 3.10

 (http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0QQD8AggTsmoB5VO0yyAelrdjixcsNKkXJHMf0hjCUGW8U4uv7hZRhmek1upeliGGCY5V!AmcVnxXlhduBf4A6kUwrK8nntYYGvpBq8Ce2ZE/setup.JPG?dc=4675536847397113880)

peace :)

Sir bakit yung PC mo incorporated sa HT mo? is that what you use as your receiver? SPDIF out?

kung ganyan lang ang price ng BOSE like your "401" Php. 2,000.00 lang eh medyo amendable pa... 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 08, 2005 at 11:30 PM
I've got the same experience. I bought a pre-owned Acoustic Energy Evo3 for my audio setup sana, but still not contended and I happened to got a pre owned B&W 602 S3 too. I tried them on my HT Onkyo TX DS 656 with Bose Acoustimass 7, replaced the AM7 but my ears still finds the Bose more pleasing. So I hooked back my AM7, sold the AEEvo3 and the 602S3 and bought an Epos M12.2 for the audio. I don't find the reason why should I damped my Bose set-up  in exchange for new set of HT spkrs, mapapagastos pa ko cause I have to look for matching center and surround spkrs pa.

Siguro gamayan lang ng tunog.

Sir, B&W beated by BOSE, okey yun ah... A/B test ba ito? ano rating ng Onkyo TX DS 656 mo? and what kind of program material did use for testing? this should be interesting... 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 08, 2005 at 11:38 PM
Mga Sir's, Please share your first hand expirience with BOSE lang po...

Sana bawasan natin ang link reviews...

 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: krell69 on Dec 09, 2005 at 01:59 AM
I've got the same experience. I bought a pre-owned Acoustic Energy Evo3 for my audio setup sana, but still not contended and I happened to got a pre owned B&W 602 S3 too. I tried them on my HT Onkyo TX DS 656 with Bose Acoustimass 7, replaced the AM7 but my ears still finds the Bose more pleasing. So I hooked back my AM7, sold the AEEvo3 and the 602S3 and bought an Epos M12.2 for the audio. I don't find the reason why should I damped my Bose set-up  in exchange for new set of HT spkrs, mapapagastos pa ko cause I have to look for matching center and surround spkrs pa.

Siguro gamayan lang ng tunog.

Okey rin yun ah.........Anyway I respected your choice of sound and that's also your personal taste. You can't be wrong for that.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: rmpmla on Dec 09, 2005 at 07:50 AM
Sir bakit yung PC mo incorporated sa HT mo? is that what you use as your receiver? SPDIF out?

kung ganyan lang ang price ng BOSE like your "401" Php. 2,000.00 lang eh medyo amendable pa... 

puro analog lang sir ang connection.

medyo OT. the PC is separate from the audio/stereo set-up. kasi sa lakas nung volume nung built-in speaker dun sa SVGA monitor, hindi ko na kailangan i-ON yung audio set up.

sometimes you can find pre-owned bose speakers being sold at 10 to 20% of its B/N MSRP. and this is the route i took para malaman ko kung ano ba itong pinagtatalunan about BOSE speakers.

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 09, 2005 at 08:20 AM
puro analog lang sir ang connection.

medyo OT. the PC is separate from the audio/stereo set-up. kasi sa lakas nung volume nung built-in speaker dun sa SVGA monitor, hindi ko na kailangan i-ON yung audio set up.

sometimes you can find pre-owned bose speakers being sold at 10 to 20% of its B/N MSRP. and this is the route i took para malaman ko kung ano ba itong pinagtatalunan about BOSE speakers.



You know ganda rin ng PC S/PDIF out 5.1 tapos gamit mo yung sound max of ASUS (eg. P4P8X motherboard) kung may amp ka that can be used as power amp, lalabas din na dobly digital yun set up mo. malupit ang processing ng PC pag dating sa audio, yun Asus may sariling DSP's din. kung naka VGA card ka pa pwede monitor out then in sa TV.

Yung BOSE minsan nga more than 20% off from the original price pa ang reselling ng 2nd hand BOSE speakers eh. yun sa akin I sold for Php 33,000.00 packaged BOSE AM5-III, VCS-10, Model-100, plus original BOSE AM stand, original all in priced at approx. Php. 55,000.00...

Bakit kaya yung mga dating older model ng BOSE speakers like 901's series III, 701, 601, 301, 201 etc etc.. medyo okey pa ang performance, unlike today's model parang nag dedeteriorate yata ang technology nila...
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 09, 2005 at 08:27 AM
Okey rin yun ah.........Anyway I respected your choice of sound and that's also your personal taste. You can't be wrong for that.

Exacto!!!... your the final user and the proud owner of your BOSE...

Parang sa auto your a proud owner of a LANCER, others just have a Honda's, Toyota's, Benz, BMW, Bently, Enzo Ferrari etc, etc...

Be proud of what you have coz' that's your hard earned money, beside's BOSE aren't that bad performers, medyo over priced lang talaga... 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Dec 09, 2005 at 08:31 AM
Sir bakit yung PC mo incorporated sa HT mo? is that what you use as your receiver? SPDIF out?

kung ganyan lang ang price ng BOSE like your "401" Php. 2,000.00 lang eh medyo amendable pa... 

Siy DIY sub'z yan ano? pang auto ba yan? are you using it as your subwoofer sa HT and using the car amp to power it?...
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Kevlar on Dec 09, 2005 at 12:59 PM
Before anything else, Hi Kevlar.
You said you'll be insulted w/ the comparison. Why repeat the experiment?

Hi too, bumblebee.  ;D 
It's an advice meant for you and for all those who haven't tried comparing Bose
side-by-side their own speakers (not for me since I've already done it). 
You might find out you like the Bose sound more compared to your existing speakers. 
(Like other Bose owners here who prefer the 'Bose' sound to 'B&W'.)

Remember, sound perception is very personal and subjective.
You will never really know if you like Bose sound better than that of your own
speakers until you try comparing them side-by-side.  Now if after the comparison
you find you still like your speakers more, then congratulations! You are now more
in a position to air out your comments/opinions about Bose as compared to your own speakers. 
Unless you have done that, I suggest you withold Bose bashing to yourself.



I get to listen to Bose every week this year and 2-3 times a week for the last 4. In Kamiseta stores hehehe.
Would that qualify as 'first hand'? Not much difference w/ the mini components used by the neighboring stores.

;D Hahaha! I'm amused...
You call that 'listening'?  'Hearing' maybe, but it definitely is not listening.
What I'm suggesting here is 'critical listening': Careful, side-by-side comparison
with another speaker.  You position the speakers to be compared properly,
you take a seat, and then close your eyes. You listen for long periods or as
needed to form your personal judgment.  This way, Bose gets a level playing
field with your own speakers who get undue advantage due to 'excellent set up'
at your home.

:) Kevlar
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: bumblebee on Dec 09, 2005 at 01:05 PM
Hi Kevlar.

I don't think I can afford that expensive an experiment. Anyway, I do see your point. Maybe one of these days.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Kevlar on Dec 09, 2005 at 01:30 PM
I've got the same experience. I bought a pre-owned Acoustic Energy Evo3 for my audio setup sana, but still not contended and I happened to got a pre owned B&W 602 S3 too. I tried them on my HT Onkyo TX DS 656 with Bose Acoustimass 7, replaced the AM7 but my ears still finds the Bose more pleasing. So I hooked back my AM7, sold the AEEvo3 and the 602S3 and bought an Epos M12.2 for the audio. I don't find the reason why should I damped my Bose set-up  in exchange for new set of HT spkrs, mapapagastos pa ko cause I have to look for matching center and surround spkrs pa.

Siguro gamayan lang ng tunog.

These are the kind of comments I would like to read in this Bose thread.  First-hand experiences
or testimonials based on real experiences, not what 'someone else' or 'other people'
have said.  This way, this thread will be more helpful and educational; not a 'Bash Bose here!'
thread.

I happen to like the B&W sound and I find it insulting to compare B&W with a Bose.  It is even
more insulting to me if someone comments his Bose sounds better than my B&W because my
personal experiences say otherwise.

However, I appreciate the opinions of others (even negative) and I encourage them.  It makes
me learn a lot more about the Bose sound and the complexity of hearing/taste preferences in
speaker sound.

For ganicru:

Can you invite me to listen to your Bose audio system?  If you say it is better than B&W
then it sure deserves an audition, at least from me.  

- Kevlar
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: rmpmla on Dec 09, 2005 at 01:31 PM
Siy DIY sub'z yan ano? pang auto ba yan? are you using it as your subwoofer sa HT and using the car amp to power it?...

yup sir, both are DIY powered sub.  those are 15" thump car subwoofer using parallel-bridge gainclone amps. sa ngayon, pang 2.1~2.2 set up lang gamit ko dito. check out the gainclone thread, meron yatang pics nung internals.

sir mods, sorry kung OT
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Dec 09, 2005 at 01:42 PM
"They market cheap products, attractive to the moneyed market..."   :o ??? ???

Sorry ha! hiniram ko lang yung word na 'cheap' sa ibang anti-BOSE posters dito. Mine is 'moneyed'. O, pakibaba kilay mo day!


SO you call youre self "audiophile" eventhough you dont know what's the meaning of it? sige tagalugin ko na baka mahirapan kapa intindihin ito iho,... "Audiophile" eh hindi mo alam ang ibig sabihin nito? "kape" pa kaya? bata ka pa nga siguro mahirap ka patulan dahil napaka immature mo pag dating sa ganitong bagay... haggang ganyan ka na lang ba? wala kang definition sa field na pinapasok mo, dapat siguro mag aral at magkaroon kapa ng expirience, bago ka makipag usap sa ganitong level dahil mahirap bumaba sa level mo... period!!!   

O sige nga, mr JFBagadiong. Yamang d\hindi kayang i-define ng ibang katoto mo ang salitang audiophile, paki-define mo para naman maging objective ang usapan nating ito!

Maaring matanda ka na nga - at kung anu-ano ang sinasabi mo. Straight to the point - define your word 'audiophile'. At ayaw mo pa kunong bumaba sa level ko - atsos! Narinig ko na yang dialog na yan! Umamin ka na rin . . . mga nagmamarunong!


OO nga mga bro. If somebody needs sympathy and condolences that you feel you were sacked by any brand,,Go somewhere else.  Basta kami happy sa Bose! and fortunately we don't share your sentiments. Who is immature now!

Ang di ko maintindihan - parang pikon itong JFBagadiong na ito!


Mr. JFBagadiong is not against BOSE infact he even posted some good BOSE speakers from Japan, if you keep a close look at the situation, he's very particular in the BOSE missing numbers which will greatly affect the performance when the sound arrived at your ears so defining it ang noticing what's there and whats not and as much as possible defining the full 100% spectrum of sound make's you qualify as a true "audiophile", because for the fact he know's how to define what frequency is missing by merely lisiting to the speakers it self. If your an average listener and dont notice any difference between BOSE and JBL when you audition them that makes you just an average listener, but when you research and took it seriouly that field of study (eg. acoustics) then I can say you really can be define as an "Audiophile".

Ah, hindi naintindihan ni hanns1976 ang mga posts. JFBagadiong attack the TASTE of BOSE lovers. Pakialam mo at ni JFBagadiong sa taste ng BOSE lovers. If the buyers made their decisions on the sonic specs of the product, by all means attack the buyers who made a wrong decision. If the buyers exercise their taste - for whatever it means - what is the problem with that. As taste is something subjective! So now you know!


Well at least your enjoying your BOSE, how do you compare the performance of your BOSE against other similar speakers like JBL, Def Tech, etc etc... can you tell us the superiority of your BOSE? sa iyong opinion lang naman...

para naman makatulong sa mga balak bumili ng BOSE in the future...

Tulad nitong post mong ito - alam mo naman ang intention nito.


I think being happy with a system is different from saying that it is superior. The links provided I think is enough for someone to have an idea of what to expect from a bose system, aside from the fact of actually hearing it. The topic of what an audiophile is should be discussed on a spearate thread. One thing i've learned is to respect each other's choices, as long as they are informed its up to them if they want to stick with what they have...its their choice.

definitely correct!

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Kevlar on Dec 09, 2005 at 01:54 PM
Hi Kevlar.

I don't think I can afford that expensive an experiment. Anyway, I do see your point. Maybe one of these days.

bumblebee,

I'm not talking about the standardized 'double-blind' experiment
conducted by professional reviewers.
 
You are just going to 'audition' the two speakers at your home
or at your dealers 'dedicated listening room' in a level playing field.
You are going to use your amplifier's left-right speaker balance control.
The results will be useful in characterizing your personal taste preferences
in speaker sound (it may not apply to others).  You may then
wish to share your findings with the Bose owners here for them to
comment.

- Kevlar
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Dec 09, 2005 at 02:00 PM
from the "bingi" post...

Sir you've already auditioned speakers like JBL, Def Tech, B&W...etc...etc...then still the most speaker that impressed you was BOSE that produces only 13.3 khz? what do you call that?.... total audible hearing?

Ah ... hindi na naman naintindihan ang post. Who said I was impressed with BOSE side by side with JBL etc etc? Probably, you mean I was impressed with the sound of wave radio ... good bass but mid-hi is not really clean - but can do for relax listening (or some sort). O, malinaw na ba sa 'yo?


Kasi wala silang ma idepensa regardig their purchase of the over priced BOSE speakers... kaya tinitira nila yung na enlighten na about BOSE...

Again and again im telling you redundantly "I have nothing against BOSE" all I asked of BOSE owners is to share their expirience with their speakers.

Coz, this post is to help our fellow novice hobbiyst, so they'll know what to expect just incase their planning to buy BOSE...

as for me i'll stop questioning the persons capabilties on how they accept the perseption of sound. I will rather share some BOSE information regarding these speakers, what to expect and not, whats there and how it performs, yun naman ang main pupose of this post... FINITO!!!       

Aba't nagmalinis pa! "BOSE owners list your comments"! E ang intent nya, turuan ang BOSE lovers to correct their TASTE. The thread are calling for BOSE owners. Tapos, gagamitin pala nya ang BOSE owners para turuan ang novices ng TASTE niya. At siya ay ang 'the enlightened'! Pakibaba nga ang kilay ko, bru!


Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Dec 09, 2005 at 02:12 PM
I have a BOSE 301 Continental Edition of more than 15 years. It was stored for a very long time after serving as my primary system in the past. I started using it again for testing my DIY amps (ok lang masira eh). When my resident HT front speakers were bought by a friend, I used the BOSE temporarily until I can buy a decent speaker. And my search started a couple of months ago...

I home-auditioned the Dali Concept 2 which was my favorite in the in-store auditions I had which included a couple of speaker brands/models. I was surprised how bad it sounded in the living room, which was not the sound I heard in-store.

I tried the Aurum Cantus Leisure SE (ata, yung parang pyramid ang korte), ok lang, but does not beat the BOSE.

I was so frustrated that the speakers trying to replace the BOSE is getting more expensive. How hard is it to replace a BOSE???

I had a unique opportunity to audition a high-end Paradigm, known for HT applications. This time, I invited an audiophile friend to listen and judge. I connected the Paradigm and had him listen, connected the BOSE andhad him listen. Then he asked me- "magkano yang Paradigm?" so I gave him the figure. He said "wag mo na palitan yang BOSE mo, maliit ang improvement with the Paradigm." The Paradigm was the best sounding speaker I've tried in that setup, but it will cost me a lot of money to justify replacing a BOSE!

The BOSE stayed, bumili na lang ako ng Dali na subwoofer.

The living room played an important factor and I still can't believe why the other speakers (Dali and Aurum Cantus) were not able to shine.

Oh well...

Nice arnoldc! Who says BOSE is alone in the market!  ;D And yet some masquerading informed citizen of Pdvd talks of 'beyond DECENCY'!  ???
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: bumblebee on Dec 09, 2005 at 02:13 PM
bumblebee,

I'm not talking about the standardized 'double-blind' experiment
conducted by professional reviewers.
 
You are just going to 'audition' the two speakers at your home
or at your dealers 'dedicated listening room' in a level playing field.
You are going to use your amplifier's left-right speaker balance control.
The results will be useful in characterizing your personal taste preferences
in speaker sound (it may not apply to others).  You may then
wish to share your findings with the Bose owners here for them to
comment.

- Kevlar


Kevlar,

Thanks. If it's possible to bring other speakers to Bose showrooms, that would be best. Else, it'll really be expensive. You will have to forgive me if in my mind that would be like putting Paris and Achilles in the same ring.

Anyway, if I may sum up my point, I believe well designed products will perform well. A good product is a good product is a good product, regardless of personal taste.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Kevlar on Dec 09, 2005 at 02:24 PM
Kevlar,

Thanks. If it's possible to bring other speakers to Bose showrooms, that would be best. Else, it'll really be expensive. You will have to forgive me if in my mind that would be like putting Paris and Achilles in the same ring.

Anyway, if I may sum up my point, I believe well designed products will perform well. A good product is a good product is a good product, regardless of personal taste.

My dealer actually sells B&W side by side Bose products! (He also sells Wharfedales).
He has a dedicated Bose listening room and a dedicated B&W listening room
but you can always ask him to bring the Bose or B&W in, if you want side-by-side
comparison of speakers in the B&W room or in the Bose room.

By the way, what are your speakers/audio equipment?

- Kevlar
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: bumblebee on Dec 09, 2005 at 02:29 PM
My dealer actually sells B&W side by side Bose products! (He also sells Wharfedales).
He has a dedicated Bose listening room and a dedicated B&W listening room
but you can always ask him to bring the Bose or B&W in, if you want side-by-side
comparison of speakers in the B&W room or in the Bose room.

By the way, what are your speakers/audio equipment?

- Kevlar

OT,

I started w/ Wharfedale 9.1's and a NAD C320BEE. I had to sell both earlier this year. I'm hoping to start setting up again after this Christmas.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Kevlar on Dec 09, 2005 at 02:40 PM
aHobbit,

Hmmm... You have quite created a 'stir' in this thread...   ;D
What do you have to say about Bose and what are your
current speakers and audio equipment?

By the way, how old are you?  You seem to belong
to the 'Gen-text' age bracket...  ;D

- Kevlar
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: shuttertrigger on Dec 09, 2005 at 02:45 PM
ang init naman ng thread na to... ::)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Dec 09, 2005 at 03:46 PM
Sir, B&W beated by BOSE, okey yun ah... A/B test ba ito? ano rating ng Onkyo TX DS 656 mo? and what kind of program material did use for testing? this should be interesting... 

Well that's for my HT taste. Two fronts changed. Need to simulate shifting of sounds from left to right di ba. Demo DVD disc yung may Saving Pvt Ryan.. U572...Gladiator etc.  My Onkyo is 5.1 115wpc-6ohms Dolby Digital. As I have mentioned my Bose AM7 is 10 yrs. old na, Left Front Right cubes Channel na to.   And one thing, parang sumikip yung room ko, ang laki kasi nung 602 S3 on stand pa and while I watched on my 36" Sony Wega TV, I am being disturb by its presence, napapatingin ako sa 602S3.  Considering all my aspect needs, I maintained my Bose.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Dec 09, 2005 at 04:01 PM
These are the kind of comments I would like to read in this Bose thread.  First-hand experiences
or testimonials based on real experiences, not what 'someone else' or 'other people'
have said.  This way, this thread will be more helpful and educational; not a 'Bash Bose here!'
thread.

I happen to like the B&W sound and I find it insulting to compare B&W with a Bose.  It is even
more insulting to me if someone comments his Bose sounds better than my B&W because my
personal experiences say otherwise.

However, I appreciate the opinions of others (even negative) and I encourage them.  It makes
me learn a lot more about the Bose sound and the complexity of hearing/taste preferences in
speaker sound.

For ganicru:

Can you invite me to listen to your Bose audio system?  If you say it is better than B&W
then it sure deserves an audition, at least from me.  

- Kevlar


Sir Kevlar, with all due respect sir. I don't mean to offend you in any way. I'm not in to compete or compare that my Bose is better than your B&W. Well beauty or sound for this matter is in the eyes or ears of the beholder. We've got our tastes and we made our choices, let's just enjoy na lang what we have, in private. Anyway, we are not here for business. Bose is just a brand. It so happen that I love it more than any brand out there.

Just me.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Dec 09, 2005 at 04:20 PM
Yung ibang BOSE lovers dito tend to bash the persons capabilities and questioning their qualifications being an "audiophile" for the fact they started to disrespect the advice of some previous BOSE owners.

kasi wala silang ma idepensa regardig their purchase of the over priced BOSE speakers... kaya tinitira nila yung na enlighten na about BOSE...

Again and again im telling you redundantly "I have nothing against BOSE" all I asked of BOSE owners is to share their expirience with their speakers.

Coz, this post is to help our fellow novice hobbiyst, so they'll know what to expect just incase their planning to buy BOSE...

as for me i'll stop questioning the persons capabilties on how they accept the perseption of sound. I will rather share some BOSE information regarding these speakers, what to expect and not, whats there and how it performs, yun naman ang main pupose of this post... FINITO!!!       

Sir, if you really wanted to challenge hardcore audiophiles?? Try to visit wiredstate.com. There you can meet speaker brands, tube amps, analogue/digital sources, cables, speaker wires,  etc.  na  never heard pa ng most Pinoy DVD members, and the price? baka triple+++ pa ng Bose. Sa HT pa lang tayo. Opinion ko, wala pa tayo sa kalingkingan ng tunay na "audiophile".

Just me.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Kevlar on Dec 09, 2005 at 04:24 PM

Sir Kevlar, with all due respect sir. I don't mean to offend you in any way. I'm not in to compete or compare that my Bose is better than your B&W. Well beauty or sound for this matter is in the eyes or ears of the beholder. We've got our tastes and we made our choices, let's just enjoy na lang what we have, in private. Anyway, we are not here for business. Bose is just a brand. It so happen that I love it more than any brand out there.

Just me.

Would you care to listen to my B&W system, that is,
if you live anywhere near Cebu?  I tend to like
inviting B&W skeptics in my home and see them
transformed when they get out...  ;D

Just a disclaimer:
I am not in any way connected with B&W.
I'm just an audiophile who listens to music all day
long while my tv sits around gathering dust.  ;D

- Kevlar
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Dec 09, 2005 at 04:29 PM
aHobbit,

Hmmm... You have quite created a 'stir' in this thread...   ;D
What do you have to say about Bose and what are your
current speakers and audio equipment?

By the way, how old are you?  You seem to belong
to the 'Gen-text' age bracket...  ;D

- Kevlar

I have 8.3 and 8.1. I also have a DIY Coral flat 10" and 2 more unused 10inch drivers (FR), plus 4 units of foster 6inch mid-low drivers. I have a diatone full range with HF reinforcement (alnico). I recentlysold SAKURA 5 speaker system which sounds good as well. I recently purchased a technics SB-501 (http://www11.plala.or.jp/se_ke5583/TECHNICS/speaker/sb-501.html) , and 3 pairs of Peerless/Japan full range 6" vintage in unused condition - all real wood materials. I have the diatone DS-103V (http://www11.plala.or.jp/se_ke5583/DIATONE/diatoneds/)and teac s-300 (http://www11.plala.or.jp/se_ke5583/TEAC-ESOTERIC/speaker/s-300.html).

With BOSE, I went to Meralco theater to just listen to the cannon sub - wow!, then I intently listen to wave radio for 1 hour, interesting sound - why not so many popular hi-end brand do some, it might come out cleaner. I heard acoustimass - its a wow for the size, but dont know which one of them - but that is during the time the sub-sat is not yet that popular. I heard the 901 - a nice work of art.

I have Sansui AU-607XDecade, and alpha 607. I have '70 SS monoblock stereo amp (JFET devices with 8 ELNAs). yamaha 630 and vintage yamaha AVR1000 classA amp. have two technics SVI-based amp and a DIY LM3886 snubberized regulated stereo amp housed in a vintage Pioneer chassis (see the gainclone thread). I have a SONY AX-22 '70 integ amp (STK-based).

am almost mid 40's  ;). I know how to read specs and I know how to listen to sound  ;D. I have my audio technica heavy duty TT, a generic DVD player (i dont use its DACS, it is just a transport), and my tape recorder is a VHS (better audio resolution and performance than cassette deck, and cheaper nowadays). I dont take pinoydvd posts personally, so I take time to have fun in the posts, so make use of typical gen-text xpressions.

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Dec 09, 2005 at 04:39 PM
Would you care to listen to my B&W system, that is,
if you live anywhere near Cebu?  I tend to like
inviting B&W skeptics in my home and see them
transformed when they get out...  ;D

Just a disclaimer:
I am not in any way connected with B&W.
I'm just an audiophile who listens to music all day
long while my tv sits around gathering dust.  ;D

- Kevlar
OT po.
Sir, thanks for the invite, wish I could. Well if its all expense free invitation, why not. Just kidding.

I'm in no doubt your B&W sounds excellent. I used to own a pair of B&W CDM1 and the latest is 602S3 which I sold na rin. I even heard an expensive Nautilus set up. They are excellent but what can I say, Its human nature to try new breeds, at least for me. BTW Im just a hardworking employee who finds relaxation in listening to music with my wife and kids when I got home.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Kevlar on Dec 09, 2005 at 04:47 PM
I have 8.3 and 8.1. I also have a DIY Coral flat 10" and 2 more unused 10inch drivers (FR), plus 4 units of foster 6inch mid-low drivers. I have a diatone full range with HF reinforcement (alnico). I recentlysold SAKURA 5 speaker system which sounds good as well. I recently purchased a technics SB-501 (http://www11.plala.or.jp/se_ke5583/TECHNICS/speaker/sb-501.html) , and 3 pairs of Peerless/Japan full range 6" vintage in unused condition - all real wood materials. I have the diatone DS-103V (http://www11.plala.or.jp/se_ke5583/DIATONE/diatoneds/)and teac s-300 (http://www11.plala.or.jp/se_ke5583/TEAC-ESOTERIC/speaker/s-300.html).

With BOSE, I went to Meralco theater to just listen to the cannon sub - wow!, then I intently listen to wave radio for 1 hour, interesting sound - why not so many popular hi-end brand do some, it might come out cleaner. I heard acoustimass - its a wow for the size, but dont know which one of them - but that is during the time the sub-sat is not yet that popular. I heard the 901 - a nice work of art.

I have Sansui AU-607XDecade, and alpha 607. I have '70 SS monoblock stereo amp (JFET devices with 8 ELNAs). yamaha 630 and vintage yamaha AVR1000 classA amp. have two technics SVI-based amp and a DIY LM3886 snubberized regulated stereo amp housed in a vintage Pioneer chassis (see the gainclone thread). I have a SONY AX-22 '70 integ amp (STK-based).

am almost mid 40's  ;). I know how to read specs and I know how to listen to sound  ;D. I have my audio technica heavy duty TT, a generic DVD player (i dont use its DACS, it is just a transport), and my tape recorder is a VHS (better audio resolution and performance than cassette deck, and cheaper nowadays). I dont take pinoydvd posts personally, so I take time to have fun in the posts, so make use of typical gen-text xpressions.



We're about the same age pala... (I recently turned 33.)...  ;D
So that explains your 'posting' style... hehehe!
By the way, what's the 8.3 and 8.1?
(Speaker name/brand)

- Kevlar
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Dec 09, 2005 at 05:02 PM
We're about the same age pala... (I recently turned 33.)...  ;D
So that explains your 'posting' style... hehehe!
By the way, what's the 8.3 and 8.1?
(Speaker name/brand)

- Kevlar

Wharfedale diamond!  :o

Seryoso kasi sa trabaho, so kapag maglaro, dapat naglalaro talaga. FUN ang posting sa pDVD kapag ganito kasubjective ang usapan - kasi walang defined na pwedeng gawing sukatan, so spaghetti pataas at pababa ang dating ng thread  ;D  ;D

Mas lalong ENJOY kapag may napikon na  ;D  ;D  ;D, o kaya may na-expose na.

Of course, I also have sober moments kapag honest ang mga posts at talagang geared to additional learning. Yun lang, just learn how to be disagreeable - pag ayaw, magpatulan at pasensyahan na lang tayo.

O benta benta na, ng makabili kami ng mura mura! Me BONUS na po!!!  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Kevlar on Dec 09, 2005 at 05:26 PM
Wharfedale diamond!  :o

Seryoso kasi sa trabaho, so kapag maglaro, dapat naglalaro talaga. FUN ang posting sa pDVD kapag ganito kasubjective ang usapan - kasi walang defined na pwedeng gawing sukatan, so spaghetti pataas at pababa ang dating ng thread  ;D  ;D

Mas lalong ENJOY kapag may napikon na  ;D  ;D  ;D, o kaya may na-expose na.

Of course, I also have sober moments kapag honest ang mga posts at talagang geared to additional learning. Yun lang, just learn how to be disagreeable - pag ayaw, magpatulan at pasensyahan na lang tayo.

O benta benta na, ng makabili kami ng mura mura! Me BONUS na po!!!  ;D  ;D  ;D

Now, I remember...   ;D
The Wharfedale 8.3 was the 2-way floorstander with silk dome tweets
that I auditioned together with the Bose 301 and my B&W DM600 S3.
The 8.3 sounds quite close to the B&W.  It has that warm, 'forward'
midrange sound like the B&W and uses the same 'Kevlar' material.
It has less 'bite' in the highs (characteristic of silk domes) which
I liked in B&W's aluminum dome tweeters.

Anyway, very good speaker choice. 
For a while I thought you had owned a Bose once.

:) Kevlar

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Dec 09, 2005 at 06:03 PM
Now, I remember...   ;D
The Wharfedale 8.3 was the 2-way floorstander with silk dome tweets
that I auditioned together with the Bose 301 and my B&W DM600 S3.
The 8.3 sounds quite close to the B&W.  It has that warm, 'forward'
midrange sound like the B&W and uses the same 'Kevlar' material.
It has less 'bite' in the highs (characteristic of silk domes) which
I liked in B&W's aluminum dome tweeters.

Anyway, very good speaker choice. 
For a while I thought you had owned a Bose once.

:) Kevlar



I want to get the best deal. I knew performance and I knew the price tag that it should have. If it is not reasonable, I dont buy it. Though some buys the elegance (yup, they have the elegance in design) inherent in some BOSE systems, I just concentrate on sound performance. It is not only BOSE that I do not buy if I find price to be unreasonably high (read beyond my perceived value). My BOSE encounters are based on curiosity - how their famous products perform and how their typical mass market system performs in their listening booth. Even with speaker/amp which has good metrics, performance can not be guaranteed in certain listening room configuration - citing room modes, type of materials listened to, acoustic condition, amp matching, etc etc.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 09, 2005 at 09:32 PM
Well that's for my HT taste. Two fronts changed. Need to simulate shifting of sounds from left to right di ba. Demo DVD disc yung may Saving Pvt Ryan.. U572...Gladiator etc.  My Onkyo is 5.1 115wpc-6ohms Dolby Digital. As I have mentioned my Bose AM7 is 10 yrs. old na, Left Front Right cubes Channel na to.   And one thing, parang sumikip yung room ko, ang laki kasi nung 602 S3 on stand pa and while I watched on my 36" Sony Wega TV, I am being disturb by its presence, napapatingin ako sa 602S3.  Considering all my aspect needs, I maintained my Bose.

okey yun ah, well at least thats one older BOSE speaker's that performs well than newer BOSE speakers today...
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 09, 2005 at 09:38 PM
Sorry ha! hiniram ko lang yung word na 'cheap' sa ibang anti-BOSE posters dito. Mine is 'moneyed'. O, pakibaba kilay mo day!


O sige nga, mr JFBagadiong. Yamang d\hindi kayang i-define ng ibang katoto mo ang salitang audiophile, paki-define mo para naman maging objective ang usapan nating ito!

Maaring matanda ka na nga - at kung anu-ano ang sinasabi mo. Straight to the point - define your word 'audiophile'. At ayaw mo pa kunong bumaba sa level ko - atsos! Narinig ko na yang dialog na yan! Umamin ka na rin . . . mga nagmamarunong!


Ang di ko maintindihan - parang pikon itong JFBagadiong na ito!


Ah, hindi naintindihan ni hanns1976 ang mga posts. JFBagadiong attack the TASTE of BOSE lovers. Pakialam mo at ni JFBagadiong sa taste ng BOSE lovers. If the buyers made their decisions on the sonic specs of the product, by all means attack the buyers who made a wrong decision. If the buyers exercise their taste - for whatever it means - what is the problem with that. As taste is something subjective! So now you know!


Tulad nitong post mong ito - alam mo naman ang intention nito.


definitely correct!



O easy ka lang ang puso mo... baka bumubula na ang bibig mo sa galit... kung masaya ka sa BOSE mo suportahan kita baka ikamatay mo pa yan, makunsenysa pa ako...

O sige na magaling na ang BOSE baka mag maktol kapa eh...   
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 09, 2005 at 10:13 PM
Sir, if you really wanted to challenge hardcore audiophiles?? Try to visit wiredstate.com. There you can meet speaker brands, tube amps, analogue/digital sources, cables, speaker wires,  etc.  na  never heard pa ng most Pinoy DVD members, and the price? baka triple+++ pa ng Bose. Sa HT pa lang tayo. Opinion ko, wala pa tayo sa kalingkingan ng tunay na "audiophile".

Just me.

Oh really?  :o :o :o cmmon stop pullin my leg... out of the topic ka na naman, BOSE ang pinag uusapan natin baka pag lumayo na naman at lalong maging complicated at mag bigay na naman ako ng terminolgy hindi mo na naman maintindihan, oh well...

Oh just sit down and hear your bose speakers whatever... 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Dec 09, 2005 at 10:21 PM
Ah ... hindi na naman naintindihan ang post. Who said I was impressed with BOSE side by side with JBL etc etc? Probably, you mean I was impressed with the sound of wave radio ... good bass but mid-hi is not really clean - but can do for relax listening (or some sort). O, malinaw na ba sa 'yo?


Aba't nagmalinis pa! "BOSE owners list your comments"! E ang intent nya, turuan ang BOSE lovers to correct their TASTE. The thread are calling for BOSE owners. Tapos, gagamitin pala nya ang BOSE owners para turuan ang novices ng TASTE niya. At siya ay ang 'the enlightened'! Pakibaba nga ang kilay ko, bru!




Natural lang yan aHobbit ganyan talga ang feeling after bumibili ng BOSE speakers, not accepting the reality and as if living on another dimensions of sound... dream on bro... I hope its a nice dream, not a living nightmare...

be enchanted and hypnotized by BOSE sound... sana nga lang hindi ka bangungutin...  :o :o :o   
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: krell69 on Dec 10, 2005 at 01:55 AM
O easy ka lang ang puso mo... baka bumubula na ang bibig mo sa galit... kung masaya ka sa BOSE mo suportahan kita baka ikamatay mo pa yan, makunsenysa pa ako...

O sige na magaling na ang BOSE baka mag maktol kapa eh...   

Hindi... para sa akin pangit pa rin ang Bose. Mayroon akong AM15 dati. Nagsisisi nga akong nagpaloko ako sa speaker na yun. Sorry, pero yun ang personal experience ko.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Dec 10, 2005 at 09:39 AM
Hindi... para sa akin pangit pa rin ang Bose. Mayroon akong AM15 dati. Nagsisisi nga akong nagpaloko ako sa speaker na yun. Sorry, pero yun ang personal experience ko.

Ganyan daw talaga ang nagpapaloko, sabi ni hanns mo.

Bakit hindi ka pa binangungot?  ;D  ;D

O baka ang ibig mong sabihin, pangit ang AM15 mo, at hindi buong BOSE (maliban na lang kung napakinggan mo lahat produkto ni BOSE?  ;D  ;D  ;D

Ay, baka ang pangit, e yung listening room mo, kasi kay arnoldc maganda pa rin daw BOSE?  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

O kaya, may ibang pangit!  ;D   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Nagpapaloko sa mga metrics lang, nagpapaloko sa mga hyping at reviews lang, nagpapaloko sa naririnig nilang sound - doon ako sa pangatlo!  ;D  ;D  ;D


O easy ka lang ang puso mo... baka bumubula na ang bibig mo sa galit... kung masaya ka sa BOSE mo suportahan kita baka ikamatay mo pa yan, makunsenysa pa ako...
 

On the contrary, i have great fun posting in reply to your and hanns' posts . . . kung mamamatay man ako . . . yon ay sa katatawa sa posts mo!  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Dec 10, 2005 at 09:45 AM
Natural lang yan aHobbit ganyan talga ang feeling after bumibili ng BOSE speakers, not accepting the reality and as if living on another dimensions of sound... dream on bro... I hope its a nice dream, not a living nightmare...

be enchanted and hypnotized by BOSE sound... sana nga lang hindi ka bangungutin...  :o :o :o   

Oh arnoldc, nabasa mo ang sinabi ni hanns1976 ha?  ;D  ;D  ;D

hindi ako ang nagsabi nyan ha . . . yung isang pakialamero sa taste mo at sa ibang BOSE lovers!  ::)  ::)

buti na lang at hindi ako owner ng BOSE - so am not part of the group hanns is refeing to!  :P  :P  ;D

Hwag kang mag-alala, hindi mangyayari ang bangungot ko - wala pa akong BOSE sa bahay!  :P  Anybody wanted to sell their BOSE systems? pakiposts sa buy and sell at maraming naghihintay sa tabi-tabi! Hwag nyong ilagay lang sa garahe, pera 'yan mga BRU! ;D  ;D  ;D BONUS na, dalian lang at baka wala nang matirang pambili!

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: classicman on Dec 10, 2005 at 11:58 AM
ang init naman ng thread na to... ::)


oo nga eh ;D ;D ;D.....it's really steaming hot here 8)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Weng! on Dec 10, 2005 at 01:11 PM

oo nga eh ;D ;D ;D.....it's really steaming hot here 8)

init na nga, halos umuusok na ang monitor ko sa ka babasa ng thread na to ;D ;D ;D

matatawa lang siguro si dr. amar bose sa mga nagba bash ng producto nya. di parin naapektohan ang SALES nya lalo na ngayon na pasko. :)


ika nga:
Buy Other Sound Equipment
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: krell69 on Dec 10, 2005 at 01:20 PM
Ganyan daw talaga ang nagpapaloko, sabi ni hanns mo.

Bakit hindi ka pa binangungot?  ;D  ;D

O baka ang ibig mong sabihin, pangit ang AM15 mo, at hindi buong BOSE (maliban na lang kung napakinggan mo lahat produkto ni BOSE?  ;D  ;D  ;D

Ay, baka ang pangit, e yung listening room mo, kasi kay arnoldc maganda pa rin daw BOSE?  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

O kaya, may ibang pangit!  ;D   ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Nagpapaloko sa mga metrics lang, nagpapaloko sa mga hyping at reviews lang, nagpapaloko sa naririnig nilang sound - doon ako sa pangatlo!  ;D  ;D  ;D


On the contrary, i have great fun posting in reply to your and hanns' posts . . . kung mamamatay man ako . . . yon ay sa katatawa sa posts mo!  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Why this Bose lovers don't accept the reallity. Mayroon akong post dito na sabi "Okey rin yun ah.........Anyway I respected your choice of sound and that's also your personal taste. You can't be wrong for that."
Pero pag sinabi mong ayaw mo ng Bose ang dami nilang chichiborichi. Baka pangit daw yung room mo, pangit daw yung source mo, at kung ano-ano pang mga pangit basta hindi lang ang Bose. At bakit, pag-palit ko ba ng Klispch pinapalitan ko ba rin yung room ko o yung source ko. Hindi......yung Bose speaker lang ang pinalitan ko. Pero ang resulta night and day.
Advice ko lang sa mga balak bumili ng Bose. Iwasan nyo itong speaker na to, mag-hanap nalang kayo ng iba na maganda ang tunog at quality at saka mas mura pa. So mga nakabili na ng Bose, happy listening nalang, sana magising na kayo.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: krell69 on Dec 10, 2005 at 01:32 PM
init na nga, halos umuusok na ang monitor ko sa ka babasa ng thread na to ;D ;D ;D

matatawa lang siguro si dr. amar bose sa mga nagba bash ng producto nya. di parin naapektohan ang SALES nya lalo na ngayon na pasko. :)


ika nga:
Buy Other Sound Equipment

Oo nga no......, kawawa naman ang mga kabayan natin bumili lang sa brand, hindi sa quality at saka mahal pa. ??? ??? ??? Anyway proud and happy naman sila sa binili nila. So no worries. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 10, 2005 at 02:58 PM
buti na lang at hindi ako owner ng BOSE - so am not part of the group hanns is refeing to!  :P  :P  ;D

Hwag kang mag-alala, hindi mangyayari ang bangungot ko - wala pa akong BOSE sa bahay!  :P  Anybody wanted to sell their BOSE systems? pakiposts sa buy and sell at maraming naghihintay sa tabi-tabi! Hwag nyong ilagay lang sa garahe, pera 'yan mga BRU! ;D  ;D  ;D BONUS na, dalian lang at baka wala nang matirang pambili!



HAH!!! wala ka palang BOSE at never ka nagkaroon ng BOSE speakers? ohh well another pretender A-HOLE of another dimensions, wala ka naman palang first hand expirience sa BOSE so why then your giving any comments...

kawawa ka naman sana ibinigay ko nalang sayo yung BOSE ko at baka matuwa ka pa...kaso walang kang pera pang bayad eh, hindi pa ako kikita sayo...
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: krell69 on Dec 10, 2005 at 03:21 PM
HAH!!! wala ka palang BOSE at never ka nagkaroon ng BOSE speakers? ohh well another pretender A-HOLE of another dimensions, wala ka naman palang first hand expirience sa BOSE so why then your giving any comments...

kawawa ka naman sana ibinigay ko nalang sayo yung BOSE ko at baka matuwa ka pa...kaso walang kang pera pang bayad eh, hindi pa ako kikita sayo...
Sir aHobbit, makinig ka muna sa Bose side-by-side ng ibang speaker para malaman mo talaga ang Bose. Nag post ka dito pero wala ka palang Bose sa bahay mo. Sa alam ko, yung time memory natin sa sound ay maiksi lang. hindi mo talaga ma-compare yung pakinggan mo dito at pakingan mo doon, kailangan mo yung side-by-side comparison.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 10, 2005 at 03:36 PM
I have 8.3 and 8.1. I also have a DIY Coral flat 10" and 2 more unused 10inch drivers (FR), plus 4 units of foster 6inch mid-low drivers. I have a diatone full range with HF reinforcement (alnico). I recentlysold SAKURA 5 speaker system which sounds good as well. I recently purchased a technics SB-501 (http://www11.plala.or.jp/se_ke5583/TECHNICS/speaker/sb-501.html) , and 3 pairs of Peerless/Japan full range 6" vintage in unused condition - all real wood materials. I have the diatone DS-103V (http://www11.plala.or.jp/se_ke5583/DIATONE/diatoneds/)and teac s-300 (http://www11.plala.or.jp/se_ke5583/TEAC-ESOTERIC/speaker/s-300.html).

With BOSE, I went to Meralco theater to just listen to the cannon sub - wow!, then I intently listen to wave radio for 1 hour, interesting sound - why not so many popular hi-end brand do some, it might come out cleaner. I heard acoustimass - its a wow for the size, but dont know which one of them - but that is during the time the sub-sat is not yet that popular. I heard the 901 - a nice work of art.

I have Sansui AU-607XDecade, and alpha 607. I have '70 SS monoblock stereo amp (JFET devices with 8 ELNAs). yamaha 630 and vintage yamaha AVR1000 classA amp. have two technics SVI-based amp and a DIY LM3886 snubberized regulated stereo amp housed in a vintage Pioneer chassis (see the gainclone thread). I have a SONY AX-22 '70 integ amp (STK-based).

am almost mid 40's  ;). I know how to read specs and I know how to listen to sound  ;D. I have my audio technica heavy duty TT, a generic DVD player (i dont use its DACS, it is just a transport), and my tape recorder is a VHS (better audio resolution and performance than cassette deck, and cheaper nowadays). I dont take pinoydvd posts personally, so I take time to have fun in the posts, so make use of typical gen-text xpressions.



aHobbit no wonder why you love BOSE, your system is quite old "70's" era and the technology is obsolete,70's era of audio is keen on power but not on processing and DSP's performances, maybe combine power of the 70's era with todays processing mas okey pa, pero as youve said in this post "I know how to read specs and I know how to listen to sound" yet still after auditioning several high end speakers, BOSE impressed you the most, maybe BOSE is quite new to you, oh well if you prefer that BOSE sound that is you, anyways I dont believe your mid 40's, coz the way to justify is as if your a 15 yr old brat, never knowing the facts from fiction. no wonder you take "serious things" as play things to you and you make fun of whatever's on your mind...   
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: krell69 on Dec 10, 2005 at 04:12 PM
I have 8.3 and 8.1. I also have a DIY Coral flat 10" and 2 more unused 10inch drivers (FR), plus 4 units of foster 6inch mid-low drivers. I have a diatone full range with HF reinforcement (alnico). I recentlysold SAKURA 5 speaker system which sounds good as well. I recently purchased a technics SB-501 (http://www11.plala.or.jp/se_ke5583/TECHNICS/speaker/sb-501.html) , and 3 pairs of Peerless/Japan full range 6" vintage in unused condition - all real wood materials. I have the diatone DS-103V (http://www11.plala.or.jp/se_ke5583/DIATONE/diatoneds/)and teac s-300 (http://www11.plala.or.jp/se_ke5583/TEAC-ESOTERIC/speaker/s-300.html).

With BOSE, I went to Meralco theater to just listen to the cannon sub - wow!, then I intently listen to wave radio for 1 hour, interesting sound - why not so many popular hi-end brand do some, it might come out cleaner. I heard acoustimass - its a wow for the size, but dont know which one of them - but that is during the time the sub-sat is not yet that popular. I heard the 901 - a nice work of art.

I have Sansui AU-607XDecade, and alpha 607. I have '70 SS monoblock stereo amp (JFET devices with 8 ELNAs). yamaha 630 and vintage yamaha AVR1000 classA amp. have two technics SVI-based amp and a DIY LM3886 snubberized regulated stereo amp housed in a vintage Pioneer chassis (see the gainclone thread). I have a SONY AX-22 '70 integ amp (STK-based).

am almost mid 40's  ;). I know how to read specs and I know how to listen to sound  ;D. I have my audio technica heavy duty TT, a generic DVD player (i dont use its DACS, it is just a transport), and my tape recorder is a VHS (better audio resolution and performance than cassette deck, and cheaper nowadays). I dont take pinoydvd posts personally, so I take time to have fun in the posts, so make use of typical gen-text xpressions.



Ok.... you know how to read specs, nabasa mo ba ang specs ng Bose. Shipping weight and dimensions at saka wattage compatibility lang yun walang frequency response.

Please read this one so that you have an idea what are the specs of Bose.
http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html

Ok... ito nalang para hindi kana mahirapan...

                                                            SATELLITES                                      BASS MODULE
Frequency Response                 280 Hz to 13.3k Hz at ±10.5 dB              46Hz to 202Hz at ±2.3 dB
Sensitivity (SPL at 1 meter)*          85.1 dB                                                             N/A
Impedance (minimum/nominal)     5.3/8 ohms                                                             N/A
Bass Limits (-3/-6 dB)                     280/220 Hz                                                        46/40 Hz
 
                               * measured with 2.8 volts of pink-noise input

I hope you know how to read specs.

Bininta mo pala yung sakura mo, sayang mas magaling pa sana yan kaysa Bose. Ang dami mo palang Hi-end gear, vintage pa, pero nagtaka lang ako kung bakit impressed ka pa rin sa Bose. Katakataka........
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Munskie on Dec 10, 2005 at 10:56 PM
im just new here sa pinoydvd forum (sept-05), just turned 30 but bought my first real HT speakers(missions) 5/6 years ago.  back then, before i made that big purchase, i made research thru the net, and was shocked that most experienced audio/ht enthusiast really don't have anything good to say about BOSE.  and pre-research, all you can hear about people is that it is very good and what have you(marketing stuff) and you can see it in mags, stickers and stuff.....I've never own  a bose system before, but when a lot of audio/ht people do say that the product is really inferior, I guess inferior nga talaga.  No offense to Bose owners ah. opinion ko lang po.  secret is, audition, audition, audition.  peace!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Dec 12, 2005 at 12:50 PM
HAH!!! wala ka palang BOSE at never ka nagkaroon ng BOSE speakers? ohh well another pretender A-HOLE of another dimensions, wala ka naman palang first hand expirience sa BOSE so why then your giving any comments...

kawawa ka naman sana ibinigay ko nalang sayo yung BOSE ko at baka matuwa ka pa...kaso walang kang pera pang bayad eh, hindi pa ako kikita sayo...

My first post in this thread already indicated my situation in the BOSE saga  ;D – So I am not pretending  :P. This includes my encounter with some BOSE products (and I did not say all).  ;)

But you are calling for a 12T RX-V995 in the buy&Sell. I bought my HT for 20k! may pera ka nga!!!  ;D  ;D


Quote from: JFBagadiong link=topic=44376.msg52 2118#msg522118 date=1134200200
aHobbit no wonder why YOU LOVE BOSE, your system is quite old "70's" era and the technology is obsolete,70's era of audio is keen on power but not on processing and DSP's performances, maybe combine power of the 70's era with todays processing mas okey pa, pero as youve said in this post "I know how to read specs and I know how to listen to sound" yet still after auditioning several high end speakers, BOSE impressed you the most, maybe BOSE is quite new to you, oh well if you prefer that BOSE sound that is you, anyways I dont believe your mid 40's, coz the way to justify is as if your a 15 yr old brat, never knowing the facts from fiction. no wonder you take "serious things" as play things to you and you make fun of whatever's on your mind...   

Hmmn . . . talagang lagi kang gumagawa ng sweeping statement. Kaya laging mali ang information mo eh!
Aside from sweeping information, you also invent my posts.  ;D  ;D  pareho kayo ni hanns na hindi nakakapag digest ng english information!  :P  :P

’70 era is the golden era of amps and speakers – and those equipment can survive yet another 20 years of life if properly taken cared of. DSP has nothing to do with final amplification of sound and the speaker. And technology development on this stage is not so much. The 20-20k hz of the ‘70s is the same.

I will not expand more on the above – I knew who I am talking here already – the real HOLE in person!  ;D  ;D . I also smells that you will be in pier one of these days because of my post today. You just tried to hide your HOLE in all your wrong sweeping generalizations and invented posts of others!!!

My last slide for you is this …

In the amplifiers - - -
The TUBES are still alive in kicking – era ‘60s
The CLASS-A and solid states are still collectibles – era ‘70s
What could be the devt in the 80s onwards are just the economies of scale in producing amps – mass production, lesser gauge chassis and heat sink, cheaper transformer implementations, LSI, etc etc – cheaper, mass market products.

In the speakers - - -
High sensitivity systems, real wood boxes that can stand the test of time, tank-quality speaker drivers. I did not buy just a speaker, but speakers that are high end in their time. Does their specs any different from today’s speakers? Nah! And do they become obsolete (as if there are processing machines)? Nah!! Your DSPs life is basically a year, and it will become obsolete!!!  ;D  ;D  ;D


Now I make FUN of you because your storage is nothing but FICTIONAL information.  8)

Good day and good bye, Mr JFBagadiong – you are an interesting encounter for me in this thread!  :D  8)  ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Dec 12, 2005 at 12:59 PM
Sir aHobbit, makinig ka muna sa Bose side-by-side ng ibang speaker para malaman mo talaga ang Bose. Nag post ka dito pero wala ka palang Bose sa bahay mo. Sa alam ko, yung time memory natin sa sound ay maiksi lang. hindi mo talaga ma-compare yung pakinggan mo dito at pakingan mo doon, kailangan mo yung side-by-side comparison.


Ok.... you know how to read specs, nabasa mo ba ang specs ng Bose. Shipping weight and dimensions at saka wattage compatibility lang yun walang frequency response.

Please read this one so that you have an idea what are the specs of Bose.
http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html

Ok... ito nalang para hindi kana mahirapan...

I hope you know how to read specs.

Bininta mo pala yung sakura mo, sayang mas magaling pa sana yan kaysa Bose. Ang dami mo palang Hi-end gear, vintage pa, pero nagtaka lang ako kung bakit impressed ka pa rin sa Bose. Katakataka........

May ka-klase ka pala hanns  ;D  ;D  ;D . . . Hulaan ko ha?  ::)  ::)  ::) Teacher nyo si JFBagadiong?  ;D  ;D  ;D  :P  :P  :P

Di ko na sasagutin ito ha krell – basahin mo na lang yung post ko kay hanns, ‘yun yung mga reply ko sa yo.  8)

Hindi kita malilimutan (with music please!!) . . . ay . . . tatlo pala kayo!   :o  :o  :o ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 12, 2005 at 01:03 PM
My first post in this thread already indicated my situation in the BOSE saga  ;D – So I am not pretending  :P. This includes my encounter with some BOSE products (and I did not say all).  ;)

But you are calling for a 12T RX-V995 in the buy&Sell. I bought my HT for 20k! may pera ka nga!!!  ;D  ;D


Hmmn . . . talagang lagi kang gumagawa ng sweeping statement. Kaya laging mali ang information mo eh!
Aside from sweeping information, you also invent my posts.  ;D  ;D  pareho kayo ni hanns na hindi nakakapag digest ng english information!  :P  :P

’70 era is the golden era of amps and speakers – and those equipment can survive yet another 20 years of life if properly taken cared of. DSP has nothing to do with final amplification of sound and the speaker. And technology development on this stage is not so much. The 20-20k hz of the ‘70s is the same.

I will not expand more on the above – I knew who I am talking here already – the real HOLE in person!  ;D  ;D . I also smells that you will be in pier one of these days because of my post today. You just tried to hide your HOLE in all your wrong sweeping generalizations and invented posts of others!!!

My last slide for you is this …

In the amplifiers - - -
The TUBES are still alive in kicking – era ‘60s
The CLASS-A and solid states are still collectibles – era ‘70s
What could be the devt in the 80s onwards are just the economies of scale in producing amps – mass production, lesser gauge chassis and heat sink, cheaper transformer implementations, LSI, etc etc – cheaper, mass market products.

In the speakers - - -
High sensitivity systems, real wood boxes that can stand the test of time, tank-quality speaker drivers. I did not buy just a speaker, but speakers that are high end in their time. Does their specs any different from today’s speakers? Nah! And do they become obsolete (as if there are processing machines)? Nah!! Your DSPs life is basically a year, and it will become obsolete!!!  ;D  ;D  ;D


Now I make FUN of you because your storage is nothing but FICTIONAL information.  8)

Good day and good bye, Mr JFBagadiong – you are an interesting encounter for me in this thread!  :D  8)  ;D


Thats why your technology is left by time...

As for Technology.... Time to move on dude...  

By the way I'm not in the Phil. by this time, im still here in Europe, Particularly in Savona, Italy... so how can you say i'm goin to Pier one?

You judge people, same as you judge your being as a BOSE lover, Goodbye also Mr. AHOBBIT your the weakest link...  
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Dec 12, 2005 at 01:07 PM
By the way I'm not in the Phil. by this time, im still here in Europe, Particularly in Savona, Italy... so how can you say i'm goin to Pier one?

amininnnn ...  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: krell69 on Dec 12, 2005 at 01:13 PM

May ka-klase ka pala hanns  ;D  ;D  ;D . . . Hulaan ko ha?  ::)  ::)  ::) Teacher nyo si JFBagadiong?  ;D  ;D  ;D  :P  :P  :P

Di ko na sasagutin ito ha krell – basahin mo na lang yung post ko kay hanns, ‘yun yung mga reply ko sa yo.  8)

Hindi kita malilimutan (with music please!!) . . . ay . . . tatlo pala kayo!   :o  :o  :o ;D  ;D  ;D

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I know why you don't want to answer my post beacause I am sure 100% that you know how to read the specs of Bose speaker. You have nothing to say.

PEACE...........
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 12, 2005 at 01:16 PM
I don't think it's practical to try re-discover things that are already discovered.

Totally agree.  Life is too short for that.  And in this hobby, time is much too short to waste in products already proven to be mediocre in their price points.   
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 12, 2005 at 01:28 PM
amininnnn ...  ;D  ;D  ;D

You are the same as you love BOSE mr AHOBBIT....

Dont worry I'll post here my VISA and Picture for you to see nakaka-awa ka eh..

You dont discover new things in life. Anyways, hindi kita masi-sisi, o nga pala you have limited means...   
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Kevlar on Dec 12, 2005 at 05:58 PM
Totally agree.  Life is too short for that.  And in this hobby, time is much too short to waste in products already proven to be mediocre in their price points.   

You are entitled to your own opinion.   ;D
But unless you have really compared your own speakers side by side
a Bose speaker in a level playing field, you will never have really
proven to yourself
that you honestly, really prefer your speaker sound
over that of the Bose sound.


You may say, 'What's the point?' when the specs are there to see,
but you should remember reading about Bose and bashing it based
on what you read
is not the same as truly experiencing the Bose sound
through side-by-side comparison and then advising against it
.

My advice? Don't pass judgment on Bose unless you have really
tried the side-by-side comparison yourself.  What is garbage to some
maybe gold to others
.  Who knows if you like the Bose sound better than
your own speakers?  You really don't know because you have never tried comparing
them side-by-side.  Specs are useful as a guide but in the end, it's
your ears that decide.

 :) Kevlar
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Dec 12, 2005 at 07:36 PM
You are entitled to your own opinion.   ;D
But unless you have really compared your own speakers side by side
a Bose speaker in a level playing field, you will never have really
proven to yourself
that you honestly, really prefer your speaker sound
over that of the Bose sound.


You may say, 'What's the point?' when the specs are there to see,
but you should remember reading about Bose and bashing it based
on what you read
is not the same as truly experiencing the Bose sound
through side-by-side comparison and then advising against it
.

My advice? Don't pass judgment on Bose unless you have really
tried the side-by-side comparison yourself.  What is garbage to some
maybe gold to others
.  Who knows if you like the Bose sound better than
your own speakers?  You really don't know because you have never tried comparing
them side-by-side.  Specs are useful as a guide but in the end, it's
your ears that decide.

 :) Kevlar


 ;)

Sweeping statements (e.g. best written specs=best performance) has errors in it. Listen with an open mind!  ;D

Is HK worth rediscovering? Nah, if you believe anything with HK logo in it is good in the house! Is BOSE worth rediscovering? Nah, if you believe all BOSE products are bad!

Oh, what a subjective hobby this is!
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 12, 2005 at 10:28 PM
;)

Sweeping statements (e.g. best written specs=best performance) has errors in it. Listen with an open mind!  ;D

Is HK worth rediscovering? Nah, if you believe anything with HK logo in it is good in the house! Is BOSE worth rediscovering? Nah, if you believe all BOSE products are bad!

Oh, what a subjective hobby this is!

 ::) ::) ::)ohh welll.... perhaps you can go back to the topic "BOSE OWNERS  list your comments"
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: mccoy on Dec 13, 2005 at 02:05 AM
easy lang mga bro!  ;D
ang init ng usapan dito!

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: kalan_zing on Dec 13, 2005 at 06:12 AM
whew BURNING!!!
I guest mr.jfbagadiong is very match an expert on bose speakers

***
http://www.epinions.com/user-jfbagadiong
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more power and peace on earth goodwill to everybody :)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Kevlar on Dec 13, 2005 at 07:51 AM
;)

Sweeping statements (e.g. best written specs=best performance) has errors in it. Listen with an open mind!  ;D


You got it again aHobbit!  ;D
Whoa! You're a gifted child...   :D
Specs are useful as a guide but in the end, it's your ears that decide.
Good written specs does not necessarily = Good performance.

 ;) Kevlar
 

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 13, 2005 at 10:44 AM
You are entitled to your own opinion.   ;D
But unless you have really compared your own speakers side by side
a Bose speaker in a level playing field, you will never have really
proven to yourself
that you honestly, really prefer your speaker sound
over that of the Bose sound.


You may say, 'What's the point?' when the specs are there to see,
but you should remember reading about Bose and bashing it based
on what you read
is not the same as truly experiencing the Bose sound
through side-by-side comparison and then advising against it
.

My advice? Don't pass judgment on Bose unless you have really
tried the side-by-side comparison yourself.  What is garbage to some
maybe gold to others
.  Who knows if you like the Bose sound better than
your own speakers?  You really don't know because you have never tried comparing
them side-by-side.  Specs are useful as a guide but in the end, it's
your ears that decide.

 :) Kevlar

Excuse me, I've installed a Bose accoustimas in a couple of friends places in Glendale back in 91 and 92 from Fedco and Circuit City.   At that time I didn't know it was garbage.  I just went along with what my friends wanted and could afford.  I certainly envied them for affording such pricey stuff, though I had pointed out an AR model costing half that sounded much better detailed.  The only thing that impressed me then was it sounded like those mini-compo systems.  There was no warmth on the vocals.   No airiness in the classics.  And when I played a CD I was familiar with, I could hardly hear some instruments I knew was there.  For sure it was nowhere near my DIY 12" Dai-1chi 3-way speakers back home at that time.

But the accoustimass met the requirement of my friends for small and inconspicuous speakers for their small apartment.  Even though they agreed the AR model had better detail, but they were floorstanders that needed space.  I definitely agreed with the writeups on the net that Bose Accoustimass made excellent design to meet the non-audiophilic market needs for unobtrusive speaker systems. It was priced at $750 for a 3-piece system at that time.  The reviews on the net since I first stumbled on them in 99 just confirmed my initial impressions.  The Bose accoustimas and its lifestyle derivatives are plainly overpriced for their mediocre performance.  Ok lang siguro if they're the only ones available in the market.  But there are so many speakers out there providing much better value.  There are perhaps worst sounding speakers than these, but their prices reflect their performance.

Oh, just for you info, Bose Accoustimas do not publish their specs that audiophiles expect from high fidelity speakers.  The pathetic 13khz bandwidth and the aweful -10db deviations at certain frequencies was the result of independent lab measurements. With such lousy specs, I can understand why Bose would not publish them.   And even if they do,  a specsheet that say frequency response of 46hz to 13khz already eliminates it on my audition list.  Specs are not everything.  But they're a good start.  I don't see why I should bother wasting my time to audition a product with lousy specs to begin with.  If you want to, that's your call. 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Dec 13, 2005 at 01:33 PM
BOSE lovers before buying BOSE speakers, I recommend you check this speaker out…

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/hanns76/DSC00046.jpg)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/hanns76/DSC00047.jpg)

Model:  KSS-10
Features:
Specification:
Type: 3way speaker system.
Enclosure: Bass-reflex design.

Mounted drivers
Woofer: 10” Cone type
Midrange: 4” Cone type
Tweeter: 1” Horn type

Nominal Impedance: 8 Ohms.
Frequency response: 48hz – 20khz.Sensitivity: 96dB/W at 1m
Max input power: 500 Watts
Dimensions: 317 (W) x 507 (H) x 297 (D) mm.
Net weight: 13.8 kg.   

And the price….Php.6,000/pair!!! Less than a fraction of most BOSE speakers…

O nga pala you don’t rely on numbers, audition it to prove its performance… 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 13, 2005 at 02:07 PM
This is an example of a product, like countless others, with decent specs and are worth auditioning.  So many of them out there with reasonable prices that would be worth your time to audition.  And to compare with other speakers within their price range or performance capabilities.


Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 13, 2005 at 02:26 PM
My first post in this thread already indicated my situation in the BOSE saga  ;D – So I am not pretending  :P. This includes my encounter with some BOSE products (and I did not say all).  ;)

SO then hindi ka pala nakakaintindi ng subject: BOSE owners list your comments, so sino sa atin ang hindi nakakapag disect ng english (at hindi ang word na "digest") eh sa subject palang sablay kana, paano pa kami maniniwala sayo wala ka palang first hand expirience sa BOSE? ??? ???

But you are calling for a 12T RX-V995 in the buy&Sell. I bought my HT for 20k! may pera ka nga!!!  ;D  ;D

Iho, receiver palang itong RX-V995, at hindi pa buong HT tulad ng 20k HT system mo, saka alam mo ba kung saan ko gagamitin ito? its for my videoke! at isa pa RX-V995's are one of the high-end RXV recievers ng Yammy for 5.1, o nga pala hindi ka nag rerely sa specs, as much as you recommend BOSE  :D :D :D  

Hmmn . . . talagang lagi kang gumagawa ng sweeping statement. Kaya laging mali ang information mo eh!
Aside from sweeping information, you also invent my posts.  ;D  ;D  pareho kayo ni hanns na hindi nakakapag digest ng english information!  :P  :P

Sino kaya sa ating dalawa ang hindi nakakapag disect ng english at hindi ang word na "digest", at sino ba sa atin ang nag babasa ng spec's sheet after auditioning at research? so sino ang may tamang information gathered ikaw ba na hindi nag babasa?  

’70 era is the golden era of amps and speakers – and those equipment can survive yet another 20 years of life if properly taken cared of. DSP has nothing to do with final amplification of sound and the speaker. And technology development on this stage is not so much. The 20-20k hz of the ‘70s is the same.

Iho, your really a old guy with a childs mind, gifted ka nga!, DSP's are technology that process the audio path signal to enhance the ambient of listening, so ano ba ang dadating sa final amplification mo to you speakers?...
Amplification ba muna bago processing? or processing muna bago Amplification?
 
'70 are the reimbention of amps and speakers. kung ito ang golden era of hi-fi's. 90's above naman ang Golden era of HT's.
one more point. The 20-20k hz of the 70's are already there, pero ikaw impressed ka pa rin sa 13khz ng BOSE...  
FYI...any equipment tatagal kung tama ang alaga mo...


I will not expand more on the above – I knew who I am talking here already – the real HOLE in person!  ;D  ;D . I also smells that you will be in pier one of these days because of my post today. You just tried to hide your HOLE in all your wrong sweeping generalizations and invented posts of others!!!

Mas lalo naman ako, a really A-hole pretender ka pala, na rinig mo lang ang audio sa Pier impressed kana? oh well kung yan audio preference mo eh wala na ako magagawa dyan, lalo na sa makikitid mong understanding na hindi maka cope up sa present technology.

My last slide for you is this …

In the amplifiers - - -
The TUBES are still alive in kicking – era ‘60s
The CLASS-A and solid states are still collectibles – era ‘70s
What could be the devt in the 80s onwards are just the economies of scale in producing amps – mass production, lesser gauge chassis and heat sink, cheaper transformer implementations, LSI, etc etc – cheaper, mass market products.

Hello? ever heard of Yamaha DSP-Z9 cheaper ba ito? hirap sayo hindi ka rin marunong mag classify ng sound equipment kung para HT ba ito or para sa pure audio listening lang.

In the speakers - - -
High sensitivity systems, real wood boxes that can stand the test of time, tank-quality speaker drivers. I did not buy just a speaker, but speakers that are high end in their time. Does their specs any different from today’s speakers? Nah! And do they become obsolete (as if there are processing machines)? Nah!! Your DSPs life is basically a year, and it will become obsolete!!!  ;D  ;D  ;D

Pero sa BOSE impressed ka? may nalalaman kapang high sensitivity system at real wood. Tank-quality? hello naiintindihan mo ba ang sinasabi mo? meron bang bullet proof na speakers nung 70's? eh kakaimbento lang ng Kevlar nung 90's ah? plus dont tell me yung voice coil's ng sinasabi mong high-end speaker mo eh hindi nag woworn out?

Oh really DSP's life span is basically a year? bakit yung 995 ng barkada ko perfect condition pa ang DSP's? npaka judgemental mo talga iho, kaya nakakatawa ka talga kausap...  

Now I make FUN of you because your storage is nothing but FICTIONAL information.  8)

Good day and good bye, Mr JFBagadiong – you are an interesting encounter for me in this thread!  :D  8)  ;D


Now who's fictional sa atin dalawa? Tank quality? hehehe! nakakatuwa talga makipag usap sa isip bata? eh hindi ka nga nag rerely sa audio spec's eh! ano ba tingin mo sa mga sound engineers na nag develop ng mga speakers? gawa gawa lang nila yung spec's sheets? paano kaya sila makakakuha ng QC at ISO sa mga independent product standard institutions like BPS kung hindi tama ang specs sheet vs actual performance?... hay nako...

o siya back to BOSE topic na, kung wala kang palang BOSE speakers aHobbit manahimik ka nalang, at wala kang macocontribute na matino dito, dahil wala kang first hand expirience...  
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Dec 13, 2005 at 02:58 PM
;)

Sweeping statements (e.g. best written specs=best performance) has errors in it. Listen with an open mind!  ;D

Is HK worth rediscovering? Nah, if you believe anything with HK logo in it is good in the house! Is BOSE worth rediscovering? Nah, if you believe all BOSE products are bad!

Oh, what a subjective hobby this is!

ahobbit, ikaw yata hindi maka intindi eh, BOSE ho ang pinag uusapan natin dito, hindi ibang producto. kung may BOSE speaker expirience ka, i-share mo hindi yung kung ano-ano sinasabi mo...
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Kevlar on Dec 13, 2005 at 04:48 PM
Excuse me, I've installed a Bose accoustimas in a couple of friends places in Glendale back in 91 and 92 from Fedco and Circuit City.   At that time I didn't know it was garbage.  I just went along with what my friends wanted and could afford.  I certainly envied them for affording such pricey stuff, though I had pointed out an AR model costing half that sounded much better detailed.  The only thing that impressed me then was it sounded like those mini-compo systems.  There was no warmth on the vocals.   No airiness in the classics.  And when I played a CD I was familiar with, I could hardly hear some instruments I knew was there.  For sure it was nowhere near my DIY 12" Dai-1chi 3-way speakers back home at that time.

But the accoustimass met the requirement of my friends for small and inconspicuous speakers for their small apartment.  Even though they agreed the AR model had better detail, but they were floorstanders that needed space.  I definitely agreed with the writeups on the net that Bose Accoustimass made excellent design to meet the non-audiophilic market needs for unobtrusive speaker systems. It was priced at $750 for a 3-piece system at that time.  The reviews on the net since I first stumbled on them in 99 just confirmed my initial impressions.  The Bose accoustimas and its lifestyle derivatives are plainly overpriced for their mediocre performance.  Ok lang siguro if they're the only ones available in the market.  But there are so many speakers out there providing much better value.  There are perhaps worst sounding speakers than these, but their prices reflect their performance.

Oh, just for you info, Bose Accoustimas do not publish their specs that audiophiles expect from high fidelity speakers.  The pathetic 13khz bandwidth and the aweful -10db deviations at certain frequencies was the result of independent lab measurements. With such lousy specs, I can understand why Bose would not publish them.   And even if they do,  a specsheet that say frequency response of 46hz to 13khz already eliminates it on my audition list.  Specs are not everything.  But they're a good start.  I don't see why I should bother wasting my time to audition a product with lousy specs to begin with.  If you want to, that's your call. 

Now you're talking...  ;D 
Now that is one comment I would like to read in this Bose thread:
A personal experience/testimony for or against Bose; first-hand
information; not somebody else's. 

 ;D Kevlar
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 13, 2005 at 07:52 PM
BOSE lovers before buying BOSE speakers, I recommend you check this speaker out…

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/hanns76/DSC00046.jpg)

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/hanns76/DSC00047.jpg)

Model:  KSS-10
Features:
•   High output capability beyond most compact system.
•   Protective steel grill for woofer and midrange.
•   Pole mount socket for portable sound system use.
•   Integral high frequency driver overload protection.
•   Trapezoid array design.
•   Strong construction of acoustically inert, high density MDF.
•   High power output, low distortion sound quality.
•   Mounting hole for maximum flexibility when installing.
•   Logo can be rotated for vertical and horizontal application.[/li]

Specification:
Type: 3way speaker system.
Enclosure: Bass-reflex design.

Mounted drivers
Woofer: 10” Cone type
Midrange: 4” Cone type
Tweeter: 1” Horn type

Nominal Impedance: 8 Ohms.
Frequency response: 48hz – 20khz.
Sensitivity: 96dB/W at 1m
Max input power: 500 Watts
Dimensions: 317 (W) x 507 (H) x 297 (D) mm.
Net weight: 13.8 kg.   

And the price….Php.6,000/pair!!! Less than a fraction of most BOSE speakers…

O nga pala you don’t rely on numbers, audition it to prove its performance… 


Sir, yung mga speakers na ito medyo may similarities to sa featured KSS-10 mo ah?

Cerwin vega!

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d176/_Johann_Bagadiong/clsc10big.jpg)

JBL...

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d176/_Johann_Bagadiong/K2S9800DG.jpg)

how about sa performance kaya?  ;D ;D ;D

makakahabol kaya yung KSS-10 sa dalawang ito?...  ;) ;) ;)

Well at least their not that pricey...
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Munskie on Dec 13, 2005 at 08:18 PM
grabe...ang init pala dito......peace!!! can we all just get along???  ;D ;D 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Dec 14, 2005 at 06:03 PM
 ;D  ;D  ;D

Continue to reveal trash understanding of amplification and DSP!

The old computers are expensive when it came out - is it of value today? The DSP-Z9 is top end in DSP when it came out, is ITS DSP valuable today?  ;D  ;D - the amp, yes!!! the DSP, beats me!  :P  :P

And I smell one more thing between JFBagadiong and hanns  :o - it seems like they are one and the same person - I just recall megablocks_27 and bambi in the 'interconnect' thread.

I can be wrong!  ;D  ;D  ;D

Sorry, OT na po!

BOSE owners - sell na!  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: alistair on Dec 14, 2005 at 06:43 PM
grabe...ang init pala dito......peace!!! can we all just get along???  ;D ;D 
Ok lang magka-initan basta wag magka pikunan. Besides, this is way better than Pinoy Big Brother.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Dec 14, 2005 at 07:01 PM
;D  ;D  ;D

Continue to reveal trash understanding of amplification and DSP!

The old computers are expensive when it came out - is it of value today? The DSP-Z9 is top end in DSP when it came out, is ITS DSP valuable today?  ;D  ;D - the amp, yes!!! the DSP, beats me!  :P  :P

And I smell one more thing between JFBagadiong and hanns  :o - it seems like they are one and the same person - I just recall megablocks_27 and bambi in the 'interconnect' thread.

I can be wrong!  ;D  ;D  ;D

Sorry, OT na po!

BOSE owners - sell na!  ;D  ;D  ;D

Brod Ahobbit.

Use your head and brain, basahin mo muna yung source of thread ("DSP") before commenting on anything, coz often yung instict at panghuhula mo eh 100% wrong...

by the way I'm not aquinted or either connected with JFBagadiong, it happens to be maka level kami ng understanding unlike you...

You know my Cat and Dog know's more sound than you...

When I played an acid Jazz CD particularly the cut "Cantaloop (FLip fantasia) (Edit) by Us3" on my new KSS-10, my dog barks at my speakers and my cat run along. nung sa BOSE ko pinapatugtog to hindi nila na nonotice. buti pa sila can recognize 20hz - 20khz sound, unlike you aHobbit... 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Dec 14, 2005 at 07:27 PM
by the way I'm not aquinted or either connected with JFBagadiong, it happens to be maka level kami ng understanding unlike you...

owwwsss!!!  ::)  ::)  ;D  ;D  ;D

hulaan kita . . . magka-level din kayo ng tinutuntungan ngayon . . . nasa Switzerland ka! ! !  ::)  ::)

Malapit sa Italy  ;D  ;D  ;D

BOSE . . . BOSE kayo diyan! (para di OT!  ;D)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: rmpmla on Dec 14, 2005 at 08:25 PM
para hindi naman OT ;D

BOSE 901 driven by parallel-bridge OPA549 GC amp.

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SgANA4kTxpz!ItVoMQGBTFNudpTlfyYroyiU9SjctWKw9hyYak*9ViNDXroRuE6*Q5Fmsw7iqfLZy56HA7HnaYsz2BHHPzco*ZHs5QPi!ORZJbPg61DnmA/GC%20%26%20901.JPG?dc=4675545978680937330)

hindi naman masama ang loob ko ng mabili at gamitin ko ito kaya lang tapos na ko sa loud listening levels.
the 901 was sold to a fellow pinoyDVD member. 
happy naman yung buyer kasi he bought it at a good price (P7,500) and he knows what to expect from  BOSE 901.


 


Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Dec 14, 2005 at 08:34 PM
Nice set up,

See Mr. aHobbit, theres nothing wrong naman sa BOSE, like this 901's kung happy ka dito...

Good thing meron silang i-sh-share dahil may first hand expirience sila...

Ikaw kaya? 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 14, 2005 at 09:52 PM
owwwsss!!!  ::)  ::)  ;D  ;D  ;D

hulaan kita . . . magka-level din kayo ng tinutuntungan ngayon . . . nasa Switzerland ka! ! !  ::)  ::)

Malapit sa Italy  ;D  ;D  ;D

BOSE . . . BOSE kayo diyan! (para di OT!  ;D)

Mr. ahobbit

look at this so you'll feel at ease...

Look carefully at my date of entry...

My Italian Visa...

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d176/_Johann_Bagadiong/DSC00082.jpg)

My Spain Visa...

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d176/_Johann_Bagadiong/DSC00083.jpg)

and my US Visa, unfortunately can't be in the US yet, because of my tight schedule...

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d176/_Johann_Bagadiong/DSC00085.jpg)

Happy?

Now back to BOSE topic....   

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: mccoy on Dec 14, 2005 at 11:34 PM
hehehe...

this thread is getting more and more obnoxious by the moment...
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Weng! on Dec 14, 2005 at 11:44 PM
oo nga, sobrang OT na dito. baka sa susunod mansion na at mga sasakyan ang makikita natin dito  ;D

peace  ;)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 15, 2005 at 12:39 AM
hehehe...

this thread is getting more and more obnoxious by the moment...
 ;D ;D ;D

The above photo's of VISA's is for aHobbits, he need's proof, so he wont again guess the persons location and personality...

With out proof, He again might think that me, hanns1976, krell, av_phile and other Pdvd's are one...

This is just for aHobbit's benefits, he really has insuffient understanding... thats why its getting horrible and out of the topic...

Oh well back to BOSE OWNERS comments....
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: krell69 on Dec 15, 2005 at 02:29 AM
The above photo's of VISA's is for aHobbits, he need's proof, so he wont again guess the persons location and personality...

With out proof, He again might think that me, hanns1976, krell, av_phile and other Pdvd's are one...

This is just for aHobbit's benefits, he really has insuffient understanding... thats why its getting horrible and out of the topic...

Oh well back to BOSE OWNERS comments....

JFBagadiong, hanns1976, av_phile and other Pdvd's,

Mag-contribute kaya tayo at bibilhan natin tong si aHobbit ng bose para kung mag-post siya dito atleast alam nya ang sinasabi nya. Kawawa kasi daldal ng daldal e wala palang experience.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: arnoldc on Dec 15, 2005 at 07:36 AM
As the subject says- post your comments. So here's my further comment.

I remember when I read the BOSE manual that contained the recommended distances for the top and side for the placement of the 301 (my particular model) which I followed then, basta tumunog lang ok na.

I used to have a big AV cabinet where the TV sits and the BOSE is on top of that cabinet positioned normally (pahiga) again basta tumunog lang and walang critical listening (I have a separate 2-channel setup). I disposed that big AV cabinet in favor of this nice AV rack from The Home Theater.

The simple setup includes Harman Kardon AVR130, JVC slim DVD player which model I cannot remember, 6-head JVC hi-fi VHS at the bottom. IXOS speaker wires for the front (BOSE 301 Continental) and center (Boston Acoustics CR-2), generic (reb/black) speaker wires for the surrounds (Boston Acoustics VRS Micro, ceiling mounted, not in picture)

(http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/5199/dsc008857ol.th.jpg) (http://img365.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc008857ol.jpg)

You will notice the unorthodox positioning of the BOSE, the dual "direct/reflecting" tweeters pointing up, they are toed-in and in this setup, it can produce good sound. I was able to achieve imaging, soundstage and depth unknown for in BOSE speakers.

This post is specifically for the 301 model that I own and does not apply to other BOSE speakers as I never owned (I never intend to buy any of) them.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Dec 15, 2005 at 08:49 AM

JFBagadiong, hanns1976, av_phile and other Pdvd's,

Mag-contribute kaya tayo at bibilhan natin tong si aHobbit ng bose para kung mag-post siya dito atleast alam nya ang sinasabi nya. Kawawa kasi daldal ng daldal e wala palang experience.


kawawang aHobbit hindi maka bili ng BOSE kaya ayan kung ano ano ang pinag sasabi sa mga previous at existing BOSE owners...

hehehe! ;D ;D contribution naman dyan for aHobbits BOSE benefit's maawa na kayo Christmas naman...   
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Kevlar on Dec 15, 2005 at 08:51 AM
Mr. ahobbit

look at this so you'll feel at ease...

Look carefully at my date of entry...

My Italian Visa...

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d176/_Johann_Bagadiong/DSC00082.jpg)

My Spain Visa...

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d176/_Johann_Bagadiong/DSC00083.jpg)

and my US Visa, unfortunately can't be in the US yet, because of my tight schedule...

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d176/_Johann_Bagadiong/DSC00085.jpg)

Happy?

Now back to BOSE topic....   



Wow! You must be a multimillionnaire to be travelling around
the world with all those Italian, Spain and US visas.

I wonder what your setup is like...  What speakers/audio
equipment do you currently own?   Mind sharing it with us
including pictures? (If it's not too much to ask...)  ;)

Also, how old are you?  Aren't you and aHobbit about
the same age (34)?

If so, you two should get along quite well...  ;D

 :) Kevlar
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Dec 15, 2005 at 08:54 AM
As the subject says- post your comments. So here's my further comment.

I remember when I read the BOSE manual that contained the recommended distances for the top and side for the placement of the 301 (my particular model) which I followed then, basta tumunog lang ok na.

I used to have a big AV cabinet where the TV sits and the BOSE is on top of that cabinet positioned normally (pahiga) again basta tumunog lang and walang critical listening (I have a separate 2-channel setup). I disposed that big AV cabinet in favor of this nice AV rack from The Home Theater.

The simple setup includes Harman Kardon AVR130, JVC slim DVD player which model I cannot remember, 6-head JVC hi-fi VHS at the bottom. IXOS speaker wires for the front (BOSE 301 Continental) and center (Boston Acoustics CR-2), generic (reb/black) speaker wires for the surrounds (Boston Acoustics VRS Micro, ceiling mounted, not in picture)

(http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/5199/dsc008857ol.th.jpg) (http://img365.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc008857ol.jpg)

You will notice the unorthodox positioning of the BOSE, the dual "direct/reflecting" tweeters pointing up, they are toed-in and in this setup, it can produce good sound. I was able to achieve imaging, soundstage and depth unknown for in BOSE speakers.

This post is specifically for the 301 model that I own and does not apply to other BOSE speakers as I never owned (I never intend to buy any of) them.


Sir I believe yung 301's mo are the older series, right ? thats one good model of BOSE, the older model are good performers naman like yung setup mo...

at least 301's has somehow a complete array (eg. tweeters, woofer) but the buffles is designed differently...

nice setup sir... ;)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: arnoldc on Dec 15, 2005 at 09:01 AM
@hanns1976, yes sir matagal na yan more than 15 years, and has MDF cabinet. i think the newer ones parang plastic??
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Munskie on Dec 15, 2005 at 10:20 AM
Ok lang magka-initan basta wag magka pikunan. Besides, this is way better than Pinoy Big Brother.
  hahaha!! ur exactly right.   ;D ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: marty_e on Dec 15, 2005 at 10:34 AM
WOW! You've been abroad? ??? What's it like to leave the Philippines? For the benefit of others who browse this forum, PM aHobbit your travel photos, Visas, suitcases, winter clothes and other pics if you have issues with him alone.

I'm sorry but I cannot help but be amused by the VISA exhibit in a BOSE thread. Having owned a 301 for a good long time, it served its purpose then but tastes and trends move on so I no longer have them.  ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 15, 2005 at 11:24 AM
@hanns1976, yes sir matagal na yan more than 15 years, and has MDF cabinet. i think the newer ones parang plastic??

The Bose bashing is really reserved for those accoustimas cubes.  The baffled types are accepted in audiophile circles.  Though I've encountered some bashing also on some Bose speaker models that you can't use without those Bose set-top boxes that are basically equalizers. 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 15, 2005 at 11:49 AM


This coming December ang baba ko sa barko, can you advised me kung ano magandang local speakers with sub, 


JFBagadiong, from his earliest posts in this thread, sounds like a seaman who has travelled the globe.  Right, Mr. Bagadiong? 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Kevlar on Dec 15, 2005 at 03:05 PM
The Bose bashing is really reserved for those accoustimas cubes.  The baffled types are accepted in audiophile circles.  Though I've encountered some bashing also on some Bose speaker models that you can't use without those Bose set-top boxes that are basically equalizers. 

Yup, I agree.  That is why I decided to give a bookshelf Bose a chance at audition
(even though I previously knew the acoustimass series has received much flak
from the internet and the audiophile community).

I think one strength of Bose speakers is its ability to make FM radio stations
sound good and 'clean'.  Its limited upper frequency response practically removes
all unwanted high frequency noise you typically hear over FM radio if you were
using full range speakers.

Of course the limited high frequency response also affects delivery of musical
instruments which produce high frequency sounds like triangles, violins, cymbals,
etc., but its benefits toward FM radio sound more than compensates for
this shortfall.

Another strength of Bose speakers (especially the acoustimass models) aside
from 'size' and 'aesthetics' is its durability.  It is highly resistant to the elements/
weather and can withstand severe misuse and abuse which would otherwise bring
damage to other speakers.

- Kevlar
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 15, 2005 at 03:45 PM
JFBagadiong, from his earliest posts in this thread, sounds like a seaman who has travelled the globe.  Right, Mr. Bagadiong? 

Yes Sir av_phile...

Exactly, so hindi ako millionare like some think's of me, I'm just an average employee who able to come home with 6 figures income after 8 mos. so pratically I need a good value vs performance equipment...

My previous setup unfortunately sold... 

HT:
AVR - Yamaha RXV995 - bought brand new for P27T used for 3 mos only then sold to a fellow Pdvd member for P20T.
Interconnect - Monster fiber Optic bought for P2T but given free for the 995 with one orig. DVD disc.
DVD - 525 Pioneer - bought brand new for P17T used for 3 mos only then sold to a fellow Pdvd member for P10T.
L/R - AM5 series III / SL/SR/C - VCS30 bought brand new for P43T used for 3 mos only then sold to a friend for P33T. 
Subs - Dynaquest / Ganzklar bought brand new for P13T sold to a friend for P10T.
Display - Sony 25 Flat... given to my Ex-GF as a gift hehehe!. 

Videoke:
Amp - QSC MX700 pro-power amp bought for P27T.
speaker - BOSE 402 and 402c system controller bought for P47T.
Mic - Shure LC14a - bought for P1,400.
Lexus Mic Mixer - bought for P3,800.
Samick GEQ - 15band/ch bought for P6T.
2nd hand Tube pre amp - bought for P3,500.
Jun reyes speakers stands - double tube, rust proof, sand fillable bought for P3,600
with free 6/ch BOSS mixer and pro2 4/ch mixer.
all used for only 2 mos and sold at P48T at a local church. 

See before goin abroad I dispose of this system at swerte nalang ang nakakuha nito dahil good as new ang condition ng mga equipment na ito.

Now i'm planning to set up this equipment when I arrive;

AVR - RXV757 for HT.
AVR - 2nd hand RXV995 for videoke.
Mic mixer - still Lexus.
Mic - Shure SM58.
DVD - no particular model yet buy eyeing a pioneer brand.
Midi-player - Karavision with 9500 songs.
Speakers - Def tech L/R pro 200 SR/SL/SB Def tech pro 100 Center Def tech Pro C2.
Subs - Def tech either the pro sub 100's or the 200's.
inter connect - monster F/O and silver link speaker cables.
display - had one already 29" kalea but planning to change to 34" DRC.

so this will be my future set-up...

 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 15, 2005 at 03:51 PM
WOW! You've been abroad? ??? What's it like to leave the Philippines? For the benefit of others who browse this forum, PM aHobbit your travel photos, Visas, suitcases, winter clothes and other pics if you have issues with him alone.

I'm sorry but I cannot help but be amused by the VISA exhibit in a BOSE thread. Having owned a 301 for a good long time, it served its purpose then but tastes and trends move on so I no longer have them.  ;D

Mahirap bro, even when there's an offer of a good salary. Like ako dito, Euro nga ang sweldo kaso home sick, plus the long time travel (12hrs from amsterdam to manila). ang benefits mo lang dito is you have good money when you arrive back in manila plus the expirience of going around the world... 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 15, 2005 at 04:20 PM
Another strength of Bose speakers (especially the acoustimass models) aside
from 'size' and 'aesthetics' is its durability.  It is highly resistant to the elements/
weather and can withstand severe misuse and abuse which would otherwise bring
damage to other speakers.

- Kevlar


That's probably why in one AV forum, a poster who was a former Bose owner derisively made chew toys out of the accoustimas cubes for his dobermans. Accdg to him, they perform better and lasts longer in that function.   ;D  I don't know if this was a joke, but he certainly made his point quite clear. 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 15, 2005 at 05:37 PM
I think one strength of Bose speakers is its ability to make FM radio stations
sound good and 'clean'.  Its limited upper frequency response practically removes
all unwanted high frequency noise you typically hear over FM radio if you were
using full range speakers.

Of course the limited high frequency response also affects delivery of musical
instruments which produce high frequency sounds like triangles, violins, cymbals,
etc., but its benefits toward FM radio sound more than compensates for
this shortfall.

- Kevlar


I doubt if its weakness is also a strength for FM performance.

The FM musical bandwidth is already constrained to 16khz so as to ensure the 19khz FM Pilot carrier signal never gets through.  A speaker with only 13khz bandwidth will further erode this limited bandwidth. 

While I agree FM is polluted with so much spectral noise in the upper registry, much of that noise can be muted in a good tuner that can optimize signal capture and adjacent signal rejection, among other things, precisely to take out the noise and preserve the 16khz bandwidth of the FM medium as transparently as possible.   In other words, the offending noise should stop at the tuner end and not be low-pass filtered by a speaker. A 13-khz accoustimas speaker acts as a low pass filter to make an FM reception sound "clean."   But I don't think that's the right way to make FM sound clean. 

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 15, 2005 at 11:55 PM
Why can't BOSE make good speakers like this anymore?

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d176/_Johann_Bagadiong/701s.jpg)

sayang good performer pa naman itong 701's. real MDF plus full array speakers system pa...

Oh well as time goes by, parang nag dedeteriorate na talaga ang materials nila, kaya nag kakaroon ng BOSE hatred like the BOSE AM series Cubes and Bass module...   
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Dec 16, 2005 at 08:38 AM
WOW! You've been abroad? ??? What's it like to leave the Philippines? For the benefit of others who browse this forum, PM aHobbit your travel photos, Visas, suitcases, winter clothes and other pics if you have issues with him alone.

I'm sorry but I cannot help but be amused by the VISA exhibit in a BOSE thread. Having owned a 301 for a good long time, it served its purpose then but tastes and trends move on so I no longer have them.  ;D

No need marty! kaya di ko na sya sinagot, break na kami nyan!  ;D  ;D  ;D

I have my own reason why I can travel both domestic and international, every year, and anytime I want, and starting this month: for life (including the whole family and my parents)  :o  :o  :o . VISAs? di rin issue sa kin yan - but as you said, pag na over do ko siya, we end up showing our mansion!  ;D  ;D  ;D at matalo ulit siya, kotse at kung anu ano pa!  ;D  ;D  ;D - baka bandang huli, hamunin nya ko ng pahabaan  ;D  ;D  ;D

. . . ng pasensya ;D!!!

Am not as gullible - and I am not as insecure.  :P  :P  :P

At least, not all posters here do make sweeping BOSE statements  :)  :)  :) - and show case their NOTHINGHILL (aka HOLE) ;D  ;D  ;D - I will just take the 3 stooges  :-X  :-X  :-X as a GIVEN!  8)  8)  8)  ;D  ;D  ;D

Simbang Gabi na!!!
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 16, 2005 at 09:14 AM
No need marty! kaya di ko na sya sinagot, break na kami nyan!  ;D  ;D  ;D

I have my own reason why I can travel both domestic and international, every year, and anytime I want, and starting this month: for life (including the whole family and my parents)  :o  :o  :o . VISAs? di rin issue sa kin yan - but as you said, pag na over do ko siya, we end up showing our mansion!  ;D  ;D  ;D at matalo ulit siya, kotse at kung anu ano pa!  ;D  ;D  ;D - baka bandang huli, hamunin nya ko ng pahabaan  ;D  ;D  ;D

. . . ng pasensya ;D!!!

Am not as gullible - and I am not as insecure.  :P  :P  :P

At least, not all posters here do make sweeping BOSE statements  :)  :)  :) - and show case their NOTHINGHILL (aka HOLE) ;D  ;D  ;D - I will just take the 3 stooges  :-X  :-X  :-X as a GIVEN!  8)  8)  8)  ;D  ;D  ;D

Simbang Gabi na!!!

Haller!!! BOSE nga hindi ka makabili travel abroad pa with family???  ???  oh cmon stop pullin my leg, I know what kind of person you are.... a real BIG pretender, dream on bro...


My VISA exhibit is for you baka hindi kapa nakakakita nito eh  :P :P :P at manghula ka naman na ako at iba pang Pdvd are iisa at same location...

now I have proof for you to see...

O siya mag ipon kana muna so you can buy what you long for A BOSE SPEAKER, bago kung ano ano ang pinapangarap mo....

Finito!!!

O BOSE owners who want to donate their BOSE speakers to aHobbit foundation, share naman dyan for his benefits...

kung hindi ko pa nabenta yung BOSE model 100 ko binigay ko na sayo...

Merry Christmas nalang sayo...

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: john5479 on Dec 16, 2005 at 09:16 AM
merry christmas to all !! lets put an end to this bashing and stick to comments on bose speakers  :)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Dec 16, 2005 at 09:17 AM
My previous setup unfortunately sold... 

HT:
AVR - Yamaha RXV995 - bought brand new for P27T used for 3 mos only then sold to a fellow Pdvd member for P20T.
Interconnect - Monster fiber Optic bought for P2T but given free for the 995 with one orig. DVD disc.
DVD - 525 Pioneer - bought brand new for P17T used for 3 mos only then sold to a fellow Pdvd member for P10T.
L/R - AM5 series III / SL/SR/C - VCS30 bought brand new for P43T used for 3 mos only then sold to a friend for P33T. 
Subs - Dynaquest / Ganzklar bought brand new for P13T sold to a friend for P10T.
Display - Sony 25 Flat... given to my Ex-GF as a gift hehehe!. 

Videoke:
Amp - QSC MX700 pro-power amp bought for P27T.
speaker - BOSE 402 and 402c system controller bought for P47T.
Mic - Shure LC14a - bought for P1,400.
Lexus Mic Mixer - bought for P3,800.
Samick GEQ - 15band/ch bought for P6T.
2nd hand Tube pre amp - bought for P3,500.
Jun reyes speakers stands - double tube, rust proof, sand fillable bought for P3,600
with free 6/ch BOSS mixer and pro2 4/ch mixer.
all used for only 2 mos and sold at P48T at a local church. 

See before goin abroad I dispose of this system at swerte nalang ang nakakuha nito dahil good as new ang condition ng mga equipment na ito.

 ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)
he he he !!!
Am I born yesterday?  ???  8)  8)  ;D  ;D  ;D


Now i'm planning to set up this equipment when I arrive;

AVR - RXV757 for HT.
AVR - 2nd hand RXV995 for videoke.
Mic mixer - still Lexus.
Mic - Shure SM58.
DVD - no particular model yet buy eyeing a pioneer brand.
Midi-player - Karavision with 9500 songs.
Speakers - Def tech L/R pro 200 SR/SL/SB Def tech pro 100 Center Def tech Pro C2.
Subs - Def tech either the pro sub 100's or the 200's.
inter connect - monster F/O and silver link speaker cables.
display - had one already 29" kalea but planning to change to 34" DRC.

so this will be my future set-up...

Anybody here selling a 2nd hand YAMAHA RXV-995, I'm willing to cash out Php.12T ASAP...

Conditions:
Unit should be in top condition, no repairs, misuse and/or damages...
with remote and manual...

Interested parties PM me ASAP!!!      

he he he - again!  ;D  ;D  ;D
OT again!!!  ???

BOSE, like other branded gears, is part of the path one takes in gaining experience in audio - taste is taste, and experience is experience. I dont have a long term (owner) of BOSE - but I have my experience with them. In the same way that I dont own known branded so-called high end - but may have some experience with some of them.

It is not always practical to have long term relationship with a product (ownership), but this does not stop anyone to have a full impression of how a gear sounded like.

But to bash taste of other people (like here in this BOSE thread) is the one that is not right IMHO! Probably, this has been understood now, that's why some already made turn around posts and clarified position on the subject.

O di na OT!!!  ;D  ;D  ;D

If some people will donate a BOSE to me (free yan ha?), my wish is the wave radio  ;D  ;D  ;D

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: bachwitz on Dec 16, 2005 at 09:18 AM
No need marty! kaya di ko na sya sinagot, break na kami nyan!  ;D  ;D  ;D

I have my own reason why I can travel both domestic and international, every year, and anytime I want, and starting this month: for life (including the whole family and my parents)  :o  :o  :o . VISAs? di rin issue sa kin yan - but as you said, pag na over do ko siya, we end up showing our mansion!  ;D  ;D  ;D at matalo ulit siya, kotse at kung anu ano pa!  ;D  ;D  ;D - baka bandang huli, hamunin nya ko ng pahabaan  ;D  ;D  ;D

. . . ng pasensya ;D!!!

Am not as gullible - and I am not as insecure.  :P  :P  :P

At least, not all posters here do make sweeping BOSE statements  :)  :)  :) - and show case their NOTHINGHILL (aka HOLE) ;D  ;D  ;D - I will just take the 3 stooges  :-X  :-X  :-X as a GIVEN!  8)  8)  8)  ;D  ;D  ;D

Simbang Gabi na!!!

Why dont you STFU  :-X  and stop hijacking this thread???

Puro ka side comments wala ka naman ma contributes sa totoong issue.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Dec 16, 2005 at 09:23 AM
Haller!!! BOSE nga hindi ka makabili travel abroad pa with family???  ???  oh cmon stop pullin my leg, I know what kind of person are you.... a real BIG pretender, dream on bro...


My VISA exhibit is for you baka hindi kapa nakakakita nito eh  :P :P :P at manghula ka naman na ako at iba pang Pdvd are iisa...

now I have proof for you to see...

O siya mag ipon kana muna so you can buy what you long for A BOSE SPEAKER, bago kung ano ano ang pinapangarap mo....

Finito

O BOSE owners who want to donate their BOSE speakers to aHobbit foundation, share for his benefits...

Merry Christmas nalang sayo...



Oh I forgot to tell ya - sa eroplano ako bro, at first class pa (I mean, lahat kami)!  :o  :o  :o  :o  :o  :o O say mo!

To backwitz (walang pikunan  :P ), I like the sound (and looks) of BOSE wave radio  :o  :o for easy listening  ;D  ;D - can you donate one for me?  ???  ??? (ambag ka kay JFB and co.)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 16, 2005 at 09:29 AM
::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)  ::)
he he he !!!
Am I born yesterday?  ???  8)  8)  ;D  ;D  ;D


he he he - again!  ;D  ;D  ;D
OT again!!!  ???

BOSE, like other branded gears, is part of the path one takes in gaining experience in audio - taste is taste, and experience is experience. I dont have a long term (owner) of BOSE - but I have my experience with them. In the same way that I dont own known branded so-called high end - but may have some experience with some of them.

It is not always practical to have long term relationship with a product (ownership), but this does not stop anyone to have a full impression of how a gear sounded like.

But to bash taste of other people (like here in this BOSE thread) is the one that is not right IMHO! Probably, this has been understood now, that's why some already made turn around posts and clarified position on the subject.

O di na OT!!!  ;D  ;D  ;D

If some people will donate a BOSE to me (free yan ha?), my wish is the wave radio  ;D  ;D  ;D



want another proof??? nah... I know what you are.... keep on dreamin bro....
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 16, 2005 at 09:32 AM
Oh I forgot to tell ya - sa eroplano ako bro, at first class pa (I mean, lahat kami)!  :o  :o  :o  :o  :o  :o O say mo!

To backwitz (walang pikunan  :P ), I like the sound (and looks) of BOSE wave radio  :o  :o for easy listening  ;D  ;D - can you donate one for me?  ???  ??? (ambag ka kay JFB and co.)

tell it to the marines....

give BOSE info not on what you dream....
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: bachwitz on Dec 16, 2005 at 09:35 AM

To backwitz (walang pikunan  :P ), I like the sound (and looks) of BOSE wave radio  :o  :o for easy listening  ;D  ;D - can you donate one for me?  ???  ??? (ambag ka kay JFB and co.)

As usual, a useless reply from a useless person.   ;D

Im outta here.....   :P
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Dec 16, 2005 at 09:39 AM
As usual, a useless reply from a useless person.   ;D

Im outta here.....   :P

... and a useful reply from a useful person  :P  ;D  ;D

sabay tayo bachwitz . . . outta here na rin!  8)  8)

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Compaq on Dec 16, 2005 at 09:52 AM
Simbang Gabi na!!!

Merry Christmas nalang sayo...

Well, hope you guys are serious with that though your succeeding posts says otherwise.

merry christmas to all !! lets put an end to this bashing and stick to comments on bose speakers  :)

Yeah, agree with john5479. Always remember that the spirit of Christmas is far more important than any of our audio preference(s). :)

Para hindi OT.

I used to own Bose VCS10 (?) center speaker, and two big (forgot the model) BOSE speakers I inherited from my grandfather :) I immediately sold the center speaker, was not happy with it. Fooled by BOSE? I don't think so, more of my foolishness due to my excitement to setup an HT (way back 2000 - 2001). I used the two speakers (from grandpa) as my surrounds with Yamaha NS55 as fronts. I'm not sure if the original Post Your Setup Here thread still exists, it's posted there.

They're all gone now as i'm using B&W602s3, LCRS3 & 600s3, since 2003.

Cheers!!!
Compaq
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Kevlar on Dec 16, 2005 at 10:31 AM
But I don't think that's the right way to make FM sound clean. 


I'd like to emphasize this one is your opinion.

:) Kevlar
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aldrinpsx on Dec 16, 2005 at 10:38 AM
Changed topic... pwede pasali?...may nag post ng visa...pwede mag post ng green card?LOL

cheer up people!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

peace!!!!
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 16, 2005 at 10:40 AM
Why can't BOSE make good speakers like this anymore?

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d176/_Johann_Bagadiong/701s.jpg)

sayang good performer pa naman itong 701's. real MDF plus full array speakers system pa...

Oh well as time goes by, parang nag dedeteriorate na talaga ang materials nila, kaya nag kakaroon ng BOSE hatred like the BOSE AM series Cubes and Bass module...   


Like any speaker brand, Bose also has different product lineups targetting different markets.  They do have excellent products that can compete with other audiophile-grade speakers.  It's the accoustimas and lifestyle lines that are not delivering value for the money.  But I have to admit, these Bose product lines have been there for the past 15 years.  So much so that even other speaker brands like B&W, Klipsch, Definitive, Polk Audio, Monitor Audio and others have started putting out smallish satellite systems to compete in this category.  But with better sonics and value than the Bose accoustimas and lifestyle lines have.  
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 16, 2005 at 10:56 AM
kawawang aHobbit hindi maka bili ng BOSE kaya ayan kung ano ano ang pinag sasabi sa mga previous at existing BOSE owners...

hehehe! ;D ;D contribution naman dyan for aHobbits BOSE benefit's maawa na kayo Christmas naman...   

Contribute to a Bose Acoustimas???for Him???  Firstly, i wouldn't spend a single centavo on it.  Secondly, maybe a Xenon cube satellite will do for him.  If sonics is all he's after.  When you hear a Xenon cube, you've heard a Bose accoustimas. Same sound, almost the same looks, at a tenth of the price. 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Kevlar on Dec 16, 2005 at 12:08 PM
I keep on reading about 'OT'...
What is 'OT' ba? Over the top?  ;D
What about 'STFU'?  ;D

I also encounter 'PM'.
I think it means private message?

What about 'bump'?
Some interpret it as 'same with me' or 'I second the motion'
but others say it's an acronym fro 'Bring Up My Post'
Which is which?

Lastly, does Bose really stand for anything,
or is it really just the family name of Bose founder,
'Amar Bose'?

 ;D Kevlar
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: kimosabe on Dec 16, 2005 at 12:39 PM
I keep on reading about 'OT'...
What is 'OT' ba? Over the top?  ;D
What about 'STFU'?  ;D

I also encounter 'PM'.
I think it means private message?

What about 'bump'?
Some interpret it as 'same with me' or 'I second the motion'
but others say it's an acronym fro 'Bring Up My Post'
Which is which?

Lastly, does Bose really stand for anything,
or is it really just the family name of Bose founder,
'Amar Bose'?

 ;D Kevlar

OT - Out of Topic
STFU - Hindi ko rin alam  ;D
PM - tama ka
bump - Bring Up My Post (natatabunan kasi yung thread so kailangang i-up)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: john5479 on Dec 16, 2005 at 12:43 PM
Ot: STFU is an expletive actually
it means Shut the f*ck up
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: dhoyax on Dec 16, 2005 at 04:44 PM
just want to share you guyz my bose accoustimass 16 set-up.............i know we have a different taste or opinion about this product but for me i feel satisfied of this gear..........
(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6985/dsc038900ov.jpg)

(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3452/dsc038886fh.jpg)

(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8736/dsc038899gm.jpg)
rear sorround.......nagkalat pa dahil hindi pa nakalagay sa stand.

(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/382/dsc038786bd.jpg)

(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6789/dsc038850rs.jpg)

ADAVANCE Merry Christmass to all!...........peace not war........
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: krell69 on Dec 16, 2005 at 05:01 PM
Oh I forgot to tell ya - sa eroplano ako bro, at first class pa (I mean, lahat kami)!  :o  :o  :o  :o  :o  :o O say mo!

To backwitz (walang pikunan  :P ), I like the sound (and looks) of BOSE wave radio  :o  :o for easy listening  ;D  ;D - can you donate one for me?  ???  ??? (ambag ka kay JFB and co.)

nangluluko na naman, wala na nga'ng  pambili ng Bose kahit gustong gusto nya to. Nag first class pa daw sa eroplano. Ihinto na sana tong mga kasinungalingan  to. Please tell the truth. Pasko pa naman.
Ang mga sinungaling alis dito. PEACE.........................
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Dec 16, 2005 at 05:41 PM
Contribute to a Bose Acoustimas???for Him???  Firstly, i wouldn't spend a single centavo on it.  Secondly, maybe a Xenon cube satellite will do for him.  If sonics is all he's after.  When you hear a Xenon cube, you've heard a Bose accoustimas. Same sound, almost the same looks, at a tenth of the price. 

Read again . . . BOSE wave radio please!!!  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Dec 16, 2005 at 05:56 PM
nangluluko na naman, wala na nga'ng  pambili ng Bose kahit gustong gusto nya to. Nag first class pa daw sa eroplano. Ihinto na sana tong mga kasinungalingan  to. Please tell the truth. Pasko pa naman.
Ang mga sinungaling alis dito. PEACE.........................

OK, now you can go!!!  ;D  ;D  ;D

HINT: What benefit do a 20year officer of an airline has? ::)  ::)  ::) - PM ko sana sa yo eh, but at the rate you're going - iba lalabas na info!!!  ;D  ;D  ;D

Eh kung may kapatid ka at maraming kaibigan sa foreign lands - e iba na 'yon, libreng hotel!  8)  8)  8)

O 'yung pangako nyong BOSE ha? Madali akong kausap - basta ba babayaran nyo, akin na ang BOSE wave radio!!!  ;D  ;D  ;D

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Dec 16, 2005 at 07:07 PM
OK, now you can go!!!  ;D  ;D  ;D

HINT: What benefit do a 20year officer of an airline has? ::)  ::)  ::) - PM ko sana sa yo eh, but at the rate you're going - iba lalabas na info!!!  ;D  ;D  ;D

Eh kung may kapatid ka at maraming kaibigan sa foreign lands - e iba na 'yon, libreng hotel!  8)  8)  8)

O 'yung pangako nyong BOSE ha? Madali akong kausap - basta ba babayaran nyo, akin na ang BOSE wave radio!!!  ;D  ;D  ;D



Asus!!!, at may nalalaman pang Airline officer tong si aHobbit, nangangarap ka na naman, eh BOSE nga hindi ka makabili, kung totoo yung sinasabi mo, ikaw pa lang ang first time ko nakilalang Airline officer na bumibili ng 2nd hand sa Pier, hahaha!

Bro, show your true colors... hindi po april fools day, Christmas po!!!

lokohin mo lelong mong panot,...

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 16, 2005 at 08:46 PM
just want to share you guyz my bose accoustimass 16 set-up.............i know we have a different taste or opinion about this product but for me i feel satisfied of this gear..........
(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6985/dsc038900ov.jpg)

(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3452/dsc038886fh.jpg)

(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8736/dsc038899gm.jpg)
rear sorround.......nagkalat pa dahil hindi pa nakalagay sa stand.

(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/382/dsc038786bd.jpg)

(http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/6789/dsc038850rs.jpg)

ADAVANCE Merry Christmass to all!...........peace not war........

Sir, Ganda ng place mo ah? share some expirience naman on you AM16, did you ever compared it with other speakers? Satisfied ka ba sa sound?...

AM16 greatest strength is the style and the size... like this show case...

Congrats sir, nice set up, at least you contributed on the topic...
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: dhoyax on Dec 17, 2005 at 08:37 AM
Sir, Ganda ng place mo ah? share some expirience naman on you AM16, did you ever compared it with other speakers? Satisfied ka ba sa sound?...

AM16 greatest strength is the style and the size... like this show case...

Congrats sir, nice set up, at least you contributed on the topic...

so ok naman ang bose am16 as long as it serve its purpose........the only reason why i choose bose para mag blend siya sa living room at para maganda tingnan (even though hindi ko pa na-arrange ng husto).
about the sounds quality.............lot of other brand better than bose na pareho lang ang price nila or even lower than bose price. nakapag established lang kasi ng pangalan ang bose before but as an advise try to consider also other brand specially if you have limited budget........

actually during audiophile workshop sa hongkong last july 2005, we met the sounds scientist from US (3 lang ang sounds sceintist sa buong mundo) and we ask which brand of speaker he can reccomend but his answer "your ears can decide....not mine"

so tama si lumen sa SURF..............."kasing galing pero hindi kasing mahal"....hehehehe..........PRACTICAL!
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 17, 2005 at 09:03 AM
so ok naman ang bose am16 as long as it serve its purpose........the only reason why i choose bose para mag blend siya sa living room at para maganda tingnan (even though hindi ko pa na-arrange ng husto).
about the sounds quality.............lot of other brand better than bose na pareho lang ang price nila or even lower than bose price. nakapag established lang kasi ng pangalan ang bose before but as an advise try to consider also other brand specially if you have limited budget........

actually during audiophile workshop sa hongkong last july 2005, we met the sounds scientist from US (3 lang ang sounds sceintist sa buong mundo) and we ask which brand of speaker he can reccomend but his answer "your ears can decide....not mine"

so tama si lumen sa SURF..............."kasing galing pero hindi kasing mahal"....hehehehe..........PRACTICAL!

Oks, sir how much does AM16 cost nowadays? I read one review about the 16's AMbass module. Really loud and boomy is it true? I believe it has been designed more eficiently than the previous module.

You know I remember back then when I had those AM5, it really can withstand the feedback of microphones. I hooked it up with the 995's and set the DSP's to hall. matched it up with a lexus digital mixer. The final output? my friend's and officemate's keeps coming back? maganda raw lumalabas kasi ang boses nila. I think BOSE is great on this purpose because of the limited frequency that on an typical HT or stereo speakers wouldnt last long...

You know many establishement here in manila uses BOSE AM series like dusit hotel, intercontinental, westin etc etc...
even on BORACAY, I tell you BOSE sound there is different, its loud the 802's on williys place really rock's and one of my barkada (who owns boracay steak house and bamboo bungalows) introduce me to one of the bar owner (forgot the name)
I asked him while playing billards, why did he choose BOSE for his place, he replied its small, its loud, and non-obstructive...

BOSE might be pricey, but for those who can afford hell they still buy it coz they want it and satified with its performance...

Still ears are the judge, again sir ganda ng place mo and the set up is good, have a good HT expirience!!!...

 
   
     
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: dhoyax on Dec 17, 2005 at 09:52 AM
^^ i purchased it in hong kong and it cost me 14.7k HK dollar or 100k pesos ..........

i have this gear 2 years ago so far i have no comment and im very satisfied of their performance, yah i agree, its really loud, boomy & very clear and i cant hardly believed that this cute speakers can deliver this kind of sounds............and one thing, habang tumatagal lalong gumaganda ang sounds quality.

mostly hotel & first class restaurant in hong kong used bose also as a background music and even HMV (well known DVD/CD/Audophile store) used am16.............

anyway guyz, i only share my experienced.

thanks
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Dec 17, 2005 at 10:50 AM

lokohin mo lelong mong panot,...


 ;D  ;D  ;D I knew the feelings, hanns . . .

. . . how [actually] you're doing it to yourself right now!!!  ;D  ;D  ;D

O yung libreng BOSE ko ha - WAVE radio - hwag kang mag-alala, you will also be honored to be able to record that am the first airline officer that will receive a free BOSE gear courtesy of your katotos - unless you're in-fact the one nanloloko in the thread!  :D  :D  :D

ciao!!! ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Dec 17, 2005 at 11:08 AM
^^ i purchased it in hong kong and it cost me 14.7k HK dollar or 100k pesos ..........

i have this gear 2 years ago so far i have no comment and im very satisfied of their performance, yah i agree, its really loud, boomy & very clear and i cant hardly believed that this cute speakers can deliver this kind of sounds............and one thing, habang tumatagal lalong gumaganda ang sounds quality.

mostly hotel & first class restaurant in hong kong used bose also as a background music and even HMV (well known DVD/CD/Audophile store) used am16.............

anyway guyz, i only share my experienced.

thanks

Nice anecdote sir.  ;)  ;)

BOSE products are head turners - for both audiophile and non-audiophile - for whatever reasons they have been impressed upon. And having established their niche in the upper consumer market, they have good following (to the disbelief of many 'so-called' audiophile) - you are saying audiophile store using them as well :o  :o  :o - and they continue to hold on to their own company - while some other much touted branded gears have to merged to stay afloat!  :P  :P  :P

. . . and guys, was it the AM16? Is it a baffled implementation?  ;D  ;D  ;D

PEACE (and FUN) on EARTH!
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: krell69 on Dec 17, 2005 at 12:16 PM
Nice anecdote sir.  ;)  ;)

BOSE products are head turners - for both audiophile and non-audiophile - for whatever reasons they have been impressed upon. And having established their niche in the upper consumer market, they have good following (to the disbelief of many 'so-called' audiophile) - you are saying audiophile store using them as well :o  :o  :o - and they continue to hold on to their own company - while some other much touted branded gears have to merged to stay afloat!  :P  :P  :P

. . . and guys, was it the AM16? Is it a baffled implementation?  ;D  ;D  ;D

PEACE (and FUN) on EARTH!

Yan ka na naman nag-comment kahit wala kang Bose, Tumahimik ka nga. Maghintay ka na lang pag may maawa sa iyo at bigyan ka ng Bose. Pero siguro walang maawa sa iyo kasi sinungaling ka e. Yun siguro kahit Bose lovers hindi mo kakampi.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: dhoyax on Dec 17, 2005 at 01:38 PM
Nice anecdote sir.  ;)  ;)

BOSE products are head turners - for both audiophile and non-audiophile - for whatever reasons they have been impressed upon. And having established their niche in the upper consumer market, they have good following (to the disbelief of many 'so-called' audiophile) - you are saying audiophile store using them as well :o  :o  :o - and they continue to hold on to their own company - while some other much touted branded gears have to merged to stay afloat!  :P  :P  :P

. . . and guys, was it the AM16? Is it a baffled implementation?  ;D  ;D  ;D

PEACE (and FUN) on EARTH!

poor you...........
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JFBagadiong on Dec 17, 2005 at 02:23 PM
^^ i purchased it in hong kong and it cost me 14.7k HK dollar or 100k pesos ..........

i have this gear 2 years ago so far i have no comment and im very satisfied of their performance, yah i agree, its really loud, boomy & very clear and i cant hardly believed that this cute speakers can deliver this kind of sounds............and one thing, habang tumatagal lalong gumaganda ang sounds quality.

mostly hotel & first class restaurant in hong kong used bose also as a background music and even HMV (well known DVD/CD/Audophile store) used am16.............

anyway guyz, i only share my experienced.

thanks

Okey naman ang BOSE AM series sana nga lang upgradeable sila, like additional cube's in case for 7.1 or even a 8.1 setup, grabe the price really 100T? sana bumaba naman...

well at least your satisfied with the AM16, and with the WAF its a great appliance at home...

Me im eyeing a def tech, I not just sure kung videoke friendly, BTW the def techs on sale kay sir Red dyan sa Phils...
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Dec 27, 2005 at 11:08 AM
Hi mga bro!
         Remember me, the one who owns a Bose AM7 and a pair of model 100 for my rear surround? Guess what, I upgraded my 5.1 HT system to 6.1 . I now hooked up my all Bose to my new AVR , Harman Kardon AVR135. I happened to buy a pre owned Model 100 Video speaker and install it as my rear center , completing my 3 Bose model 100 rear speakers. I can personally attest that Bose performance can really be improved by the receiver or amplifier that drives them. Harman Kardon and Bose, what a matched!

Just me.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Dec 27, 2005 at 07:16 PM
Hi mga bro!
         Remember me, the one who owns a Bose AM7 and a pair of model 100 for my rear surround? Guess what, I upgraded my 5.1 HT system to 6.1 . I now hooked up my all Bose to my new AVR , Harman Kardon AVR135. I happened to buy a pre owned Model 100 Video speaker and install it as my rear center , completing my 3 Bose model 100 rear speakers. I can personally attest that Bose performance can really be improved by the receiver or amplifier that drives them. Harman Kardon and Bose, what a matched!

Just me.

Congrats Bro at least you have one good set up now. siguro nga kailangan lang ng mas larger power ng BOSE to drive them. at ma maximize yung performance niya like the 901's... well at least you satified with your system now...

Happy HT listening...   
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Kevlar on Dec 28, 2005 at 05:38 PM
Hi mga bro!
         Remember me, the one who owns a Bose AM7 and a pair of model 100 for my rear surround? Guess what, I upgraded my 5.1 HT system to 6.1 . I now hooked up my all Bose to my new AVR , Harman Kardon AVR135. I happened to buy a pre owned Model 100 Video speaker and install it as my rear center , completing my 3 Bose model 100 rear speakers. I can personally attest that Bose performance can really be improved by the receiver or amplifier that drives them. Harman Kardon and Bose, what a matched!

Just me.

Really? What was your previous amplifier/receiver?
What were the marked changes in your Bose speakers
that you noticed?

Bose owners here would really appreciate it if you can share
what you've done to improve the Bose sound and what specific
sound quality improvements were realized.

- Kevlar
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Dec 28, 2005 at 08:21 PM
Good point there sir Kev's... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Dec 29, 2005 at 10:02 AM
I just replaced my Onkyo TXDS656 (5.1 HT) with Harman Kardon AVR135(6.1 HT). Added up a back center of the same model of my existing rear surround (Bose Model 100). I noticed that the previously bright ( too much on high frequency) performance of my Bose AM7 with Onkyo became more warm  and have more body on low end, dialogue became more solid and clearer. I can feel that the sound envelopes me all over especially during highly intensive scenes (e.g. Van Helsing , I robot, Troy) without the fatigue on highs.On DVD concerts, Wow! You won't mind the system anymore, they just seems to disappear.

Just me.

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Dec 29, 2005 at 02:54 PM
I just replaced my Onkyo TXDS656 (5.1 HT) with Harman Kardon AVR135(6.1 HT). Added up a back center of the same model of my existing rear surround (Bose Model 100). I noticed that the previously bright ( too much on high frequency) performance of my Bose AM7 with Onkyo became more warm  and have more body on low end, dialogue became more solid and clearer. I can feel that the sound envelopes me all over especially during highly intensive scenes (e.g. Van Helsing , I robot, Troy) without the fatigue on highs.On DVD concerts, Wow! You won't mind the system anymore, they just seems to disappear.

Just me.



Sir, yung mga effects ba mas na emphasis dahil sa pag replace mo ng AVR? like the passing of bullet in the case of saving private ryan and clashing of metal to metal like LOTR? how bout the warmth of voice of andrea bocelli? coz when I remember when I had those model 100 yung plastic grill niya is really rattling even when the speakers setting is at "small"...   
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Dec 29, 2005 at 03:12 PM
Yes, sound effects was more emphasized, clearer and with more body without distortion. I have no experience of my model 100 rattling. Mine is mounted on the ceiling, done it myself, giving my full force of making sure the screws were all tight, its all set at Large with 120hrtz global cut off on the HK, below that frequency all lows goes to the active subwoofer. Tried some of my audiophile CD's, ok din, but I still prefer my all tube audio set-up with epos spkrs.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Dec 29, 2005 at 03:34 PM
Yes, sound effects was more emphasized, clearer and with more body without distortion. I have no experience of my model 100 rattling. Mine is mounted on the ceiling, done it myself, giving my full force of making sure the screws were all tight, its all set at Large with 120hrtz global cut off on the HK, below that frequency all lows goes to the active subwoofer. Tried some of my audiophile CD's, ok din, but I still prefer my all tube audio set-up with epos spkrs.

Sir I tried the model100 also sa RXV995 ko pa nun, yung mounting walang problem kasi I made also sure na tight and solid mounted ito sa concrete walls pero yung front grill and the body it self keeps on ratling, even at small or large setting...   
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Jan 02, 2006 at 10:50 AM
Maybe its the wattage of your yamaha greater than the power handling capacity of the model 100 (80 watts max.). In that case you need speaker with larger power capability. My HK is 40 watts x 6  enough for the Bose model 100 to handle.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: brandon on Jan 02, 2006 at 08:01 PM
Maybe its the wattage of your yamaha greater than the power handling capacity of the model 100 (80 watts max.). In that case you need speaker with larger power capability. My HK is 40 watts x 6  enough for the Bose model 100 to handle.

Agree.  This is also probably why your Bose speakers sound better
with Harman Kardon AVR135 than with the Onkyo TXDS656 AVR.
You may have been overdriving your Bose with your Onkyo.

Actually, the latter (Onkyo), has more power per channel than the HK.
Most Onkyos are rated higher than 40 watts/channel into 8 ohms,
from 20Hz-20kHz, <0.08% THD [FTC rating].  They also tend to
be conservatively rated so they can have more power than stated
in the specs.  Another explanation could be is that your Onkyo
is probably no longer performing as well as it used to that is why
even if it has a higher FTC power rating than your HK, it doesn't
sound as good as the HK.  Or maybe, just your ears. Maybe HK
is 'dark sounding' so it sorts of 'neutralizes' the 'bright' sound of
your Bose speakers.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jan 02, 2006 at 08:07 PM
Agree.  This is also probably why your Bose speakers sound better
with Harman Kardon AVR135 than with the Onkyo TXDS656 AVR.
You may have been overdriving your Bose with your Onkyo.

Actually, the latter (Onkyo), has more power per channel than the HK.
Most Onkyos are rated higher than 40 watts/channel into 8 ohms,
from 20Hz-20kHz, <0.08% THD [FTC rating].  They also tend to
be conservatively rated so they can have more power than stated
in the specs.  Another explanation could be is that your Onkyo
is probably no longer performing as well as it used to that is why
even if it has a higher FTC power rating than your HK, it doesn't
sound as good as the HK.  Or maybe, just your ears. Maybe HK
is 'dark sounding' so it sorts of 'neutralizes' the 'bright' sound of
your Bose speakers.


Sir, how about Yamaha and BOSE combo?
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: brandon on Jan 02, 2006 at 08:52 PM
Haven't personally auditioned the Yammies with Bose.
Actually, there's no hard and fast rule.  You just have to listen
and trust your ears.  The downside is that your ears' preferences
usually change as you gain more experience with audio.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Jan 03, 2006 at 09:51 AM
My brother has the yamaha AVR (forgot the model) and tried my Bose AM7, medyo bright for my ears and lacks the bass slam than what the HK delivers. Again, you have to audition yourself and see if it matches your taste.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: s2kov on Jan 03, 2006 at 10:23 AM
ganicru,

congrats on your HK AVR! :)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: vtec3 on Jan 03, 2006 at 10:32 AM
Sir, how about Yamaha and BOSE combo?

I used to have this combo. Initially ok naman siya until I discovered another brand of speakers which is cheaper  ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ericag_ph on Jul 17, 2006 at 07:08 AM
I have the Bose AM-15 (5 cubes + passive sub) I spent about P40K+.  For the price, you can get
better sounding speakers out there.  The one good thing about this is that the Bose will get your
wife into the world of home theater... "Oh those speakers are just sooo cute".... :)  Portability was
important to us  (living in Singapore then USA then back to Manila, so we were able to bring them along)

If you want the small factor, try looking at Yamaha....only P11K including a sub (I saw this at Festival Mall yesterday)...I just don't know if they sound good/or what the specs are...but they also look good (cute).

A few years later, now with a dedicated home theater room, plus the need for better speakers,
We got the the Wharfedale Diamond 8 (2x8.4, 1xcenter, 2xDFS) I spent about P18K.

So, I am able to make a side-by-side comparisson between Bose and Wharfedale in the same room.

The Wharfedales sound at least 2x better than the Bose. 
The Bose aren't that bad, they just don't sound as good.

I just added a Velodyne CHT-12R.  Now, the Wharfedales sound even better.


Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Jul 17, 2006 at 12:10 PM
Bose cubes aren't really that bad.  For 2" paper-based drivers on plastic enclosures, they're simply overpriced 20 times.   ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: rascal101 on Jul 17, 2006 at 12:29 PM
To think that I used to think very highly of Bose. :)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: kimpOy on Jul 17, 2006 at 12:36 PM
i know someone  who has Bose setup all the way, HT and Bedroom Bose all the way!
whenever im in his house these words always pop in my head

"if you nothing good to say...just shut up"


he..he
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Munskie on Jul 17, 2006 at 12:39 PM
i know someone  who has Bose setup all the way, from his pipe-in all over the house, a yammy/bose HT    and a BOSE bedroom setup...
whenever im in his house these words always pop in my head

"if you nothing good to say...just shut up"


he..he
kilala ko ba?  pa pm naman...maliit lang naman pampanga...hehehe,  :)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Jul 17, 2006 at 02:54 PM
To think that I used to think very highly of Bose. :)

I think you should ... make him a model ... he has lots of money ... his brand enjoys the following of wives ... and most of all, he was able to get a non-BOSE 'high-end" system!!!  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ericag_ph on Jul 18, 2006 at 12:29 AM

...my BOSE setup :) with a 120 inch screen

HT room pictures:
http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=55046.msg601343#msg601343
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: RU9 on Jul 18, 2006 at 12:02 PM
Read then listen to BOSE before you buy. Some comments on BOSE.

http://www.firstadopter.com/fa/archives/001749.html#more
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Jul 18, 2006 at 12:22 PM
A well-deserved Bose-bashing site. Not the first I've encountered.  Nor will they be the last, unfortunately, for most uninformed consumers. 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Munskie on Jul 18, 2006 at 03:47 PM
is it true none of the Bose products is THX certified? :)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: av_phile1 on Jul 18, 2006 at 05:02 PM
Most high end speaker systems not NOT THX certified.  That's because serious audiophiles consider THX to be far below the standards for audiophile-grade listening.  THX is for home theater.  Not for audiophile-grade music listening. 

And that's probably what BOSE thinks.  That they're speakers are audiophile-grade.  Superior to  home theater-grade. 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Oct 13, 2006 at 02:51 PM
Did Bose mention that Bose speakers are audiophile grade? What is THX certification anyway?
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Oct 13, 2006 at 04:59 PM
No BOSE did not think they are audiophile  ??? !
Some so-called 'audiophiles' thought that BOSE thought they are audiophile-grade!  ;D

BOSE probably is not thinking about those audiophile nuts - not so much revenue from them, so ignore them babbling ... but thinking about the money from richie people that can shell out money for their products  ;D  ;D  ;D

Looking around the SM Mall of Asia ... probably the audiophile brands salivating at the deal BOSE got from SM  8)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 13, 2006 at 05:13 PM


Looking around the SM Mall of Asia ... probably the audiophile brands salivating at the deal BOSE got from SM  8)

What deal? I have never been to SM MOA.  ::)

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Oct 13, 2006 at 05:39 PM
What deal? I have never been to SM MOA.  ::)



SM MOA has BOSE boxes around their premises - ang pangeeeet !  ... hindi audiophile grade!!!  ... I dont want to listen to SM MOA pipe in music !!! 

;D  ;D  ;D

hindi kaya bigay lang 'yon?  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Oct 13, 2006 at 09:07 PM
actually hindi lang SM MOA ang mga naka BOSE pipe in music,,, include also:

Milan Airport, Italy
Schipol Airport in Amsterdam

Also include:

BMW, Porsche, Suburban and many more... 

Ano kaya meron ang BOSE? I asked one of the online queries at the BOSE site and this my interpretation of what they've told me: unlike 2/3 way speakers system, that uses multiple diaphram combinations of tweeters mid or woofer. BOSE uses a multiple 4.5" full range speakers that produces easily an array of sound spectrum over a broad wide range even at high volumes thus eliminating the limited SPL of multiway unequal diaphram size speaker system combination... plus BOSE drivers are weather proven to withstand harsh conditions...   
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 13, 2006 at 10:29 PM
SM MOA has BOSE boxes around their premises - ang pangeeeet !  ... hindi audiophile grade!!!  ... I dont want to listen to SM MOA pipe in music !!! 

;D  ;D  ;D

hindi kaya bigay lang 'yon?  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D


ah... eh... ganun ba?  ::) ay patay.  :(

 ;D ;D ;D

actually hindi lang SM MOA ang mga naka BOSE pipe in music,,, include also:

Milan Airport, Italy
Schipol Airport in Amsterdam

Also include:

BMW, Porsche, Suburban and many more... 

Ano kaya meron ang BOSE? I asked one of the online queries at the BOSE site and this my interpretation of what they've told me: unlike 2/3 way speakers system, that uses multiple diaphram combinations of tweeters mid or woofer. BOSE uses a multiple 4.5" full range speakers that produces easily an array of sound spectrum over a broad wide range even at high volumes thus eliminating the limited SPL of multiway unequal diaphram size speaker system combination... plus BOSE drivers are weather proven to withstand harsh conditions...   

ganun pala yun idea nila... ok. ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Oct 13, 2006 at 10:38 PM
aywan ko ba dyan sa BOSE na yan! parang enkato ang daming phenomena, tabi-tabi po...

btw sir jojo kamusta na? i have sold all my audio gears yamaha nalang ang na titira, Ive shifted kasi to photography.... 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 13, 2006 at 11:13 PM
aywan ko ba dyan sa BOSE na yan! parang enkato ang daming phenomena, tabi-tabi po...

btw sir jojo kamusta na? i have sold all my audio gears yamaha nalang ang na titira, Ive shifted kasi to photography.... 

pang enkantasya pala yan.  ;D ;D ;D

oks naman, medyo busy lang nowadays.  ;D

oks yan photography bro, dami din naloloko diyan ngayon including me.  8)

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Oct 13, 2006 at 11:20 PM
pang enkantasya pala yan.  ;D ;D ;D

oks naman, medyo busy lang nowadays.  ;D

oks yan photography bro, dami din naloloko diyan ngayon including me.  8)



oo nga eh, im taking photography na into new heights, dati isa lang sa hobby ko to, ngayon magiging full time career ko na, recently applied for an international photogpraher at fortunately pumasa, kaya eto dispacha lahat ng audio gears ko. at least mag enenjoy na tapos kikita pa ng dollars hehehe!!!!   
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 14, 2006 at 12:00 AM
oo nga eh, im taking photography na into new heights, dati isa lang sa hobby ko to, ngayon magiging full time career ko na, recently applied for an international photogpraher at fortunately pumasa, kaya eto dispacha lahat ng audio gears ko. at least mag enenjoy na tapos kikita pa ng dollars hehehe!!!!   

aba... congrats!  ;D ;D ;D

I'm sure pag $$$ na nasa wallet mo bibili ka na ng complete setup ng BOSE!  ;D ;D ;D  :P

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Oct 14, 2006 at 01:07 AM
pang enkantasya pala yan.  ;D ;D ;D

oks naman, medyo busy lang nowadays.  ;D

oks yan photography bro, dami din naloloko diyan ngayon including me.  8)



Engkantasya talaga - na-engkanto ng BOSE!  ;D

There are really people who really got the impression that BOSE is a superb gear - BOSE was able to really convince the people of their hype - a very good work of marketing!  ;D

GOt so many into believing, both the common people and very rich people, and I have tried with difficulty to really convince them it is not really as they think it is about BOSE.

kuyakoy lang ng kuyakoy si Mr. Bose - nakikinig ng kanyang non-BOSE high-end gear.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 14, 2006 at 09:33 AM
tsk... tsk... tsk...

I have got to go to SM MOA one of these days and listen to their pipe-in.  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Oct 14, 2006 at 09:36 AM
Thanks sir jojo, btw, wat DSLR are u using ako naka film SLR pa eh baka dun na ako sa work abroad bumili ng DSLR required sa amin eh........ Actually, bibili pa din naman ako ng BOSE hehehe! pero yung good products nila for travel, yung I-dock saka yung triport earphones mukhang okey, para madadala ko anywhere. hehe!

sir aHobbit kamusta? actually oks naman ang BOSE and sa palgay ko, one way or the other yung mga audiophiles of today bago maging pihikan sa Audio eh, were one's considered buying BOSE products for them. parang lahat ng nahilig sa audio at home theater eh dumaan o sumagi sa isip nila na maganda ang BOSE. actually their products are not bad as we think, yun mga speakers naman nila sounds okey sa mga kayang maka afford, at yung name nila prestigous na. big brands uses their products kahit nga Porsche 911 turbo naka BOSE eh hehehe! ang ang lupit ng engineering ng Porsche tapos BOSE ang sound system, eh inisip din naman ciguro nila yun.

btw hows everything? concentrated ka pa rin ba sa audio? any new hobbies? si sir jojo nahihilig na rin sa photography eh hehehe!   
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: JojoD818 on Oct 14, 2006 at 09:55 AM
Thanks sir jojo, btw, wat DSLR are u using ako naka film SLR pa eh baka dun na ako sa work abroad bumili ng DSLR required sa amin eh........ Actually, bibili pa din naman ako ng BOSE hehehe! pero yung good products nila for travel, yung I-dock saka yung triport earphones mukhang okey, para madadala ko anywhere. hehe!

sir aHobbit kamusta? actually oks naman ang BOSE and sa palgay ko, one way or the other yung mga audiophiles of today bago maging pihikan sa Audio eh, were one's considered buying BOSE products for them. parang lahat ng nahilig sa audio at home theater eh dumaan o sumagi sa isip nila na maganda ang BOSE. actually their products are not bad as we think, yun mga speakers naman nila sounds okey sa mga kayang maka afford, at yung name nila prestigous na. big brands uses their products kahit nga Porsche 911 turbo naka BOSE eh hehehe! ang ang lupit ng engineering ng Porsche tapos BOSE ang sound system, eh inisip din naman ciguro nila yun.

btw hows everything? concentrated ka pa rin ba sa audio? any new hobbies? si sir jojo nahihilig na rin sa photography eh hehehe!   

Naku, point and shoot lang ako.  ;D SLRs are way out of my league. Besides, side hobby ko lang yan - electronics will always be in my veins.

For most of the cars you mentioned, mas pipiliin ko siguro pakinggan (@6000rpm) yun engine instead of the factory installed BOSE sound system.  :-*

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Oct 14, 2006 at 10:46 AM
Naku, point and shoot lang ako.  ;D SLRs are way out of my league. Besides, side hobby ko lang yan - electronics will always be in my veins.

For most of the cars you mentioned, mas pipiliin ko siguro pakinggan (@6000rpm) yun engine instead of the factory installed BOSE sound system.  :-*



dati point and shoot din lang ako eh, tapos it napunta na sa range finder tapos SLR then ayan DSLR na hehehe, parang newbie to audiophile...

tama ka dun na ako sa sound ng engine revs, hanef! yung "grrr!!!" sound ng flat 6 ng Porsche 911 turbo hehehe! 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: aHobbit on Oct 16, 2006 at 10:22 AM

sir aHobbit kamusta? actually oks naman ang BOSE and sa palgay ko, one way or the other yung mga audiophiles of today bago maging pihikan sa Audio eh, were one's considered buying BOSE products for them. parang lahat ng nahilig sa audio at home theater eh dumaan o sumagi sa isip nila na maganda ang BOSE. actually their products are not bad as we think, yun mga speakers naman nila sounds okey sa mga kayang maka afford, at yung name nila prestigous na. big brands uses their products kahit nga Porsche 911 turbo naka BOSE eh hehehe! ang ang lupit ng engineering ng Porsche tapos BOSE ang sound system, eh inisip din naman ciguro nila yun.

btw hows everything? concentrated ka pa rin ba sa audio? any new hobbies? si sir jojo nahihilig na rin sa photography eh hehehe!   

I am not an audiophile nut  :D  - not into buying spree lately as surplus started to dwindle. Once in a while, I acknowledge good facia (I mean just facia  :) ) of new systems - and amazed how much branded name audio (the usual suspects) try to introduce more channels into small (home) theater - kulang na lang, pati banyo may naririnig kang kumakalampag (surround effects)  ;D.

I am not saying BOSE is not good - they are - that's why they were copied by those into 'so called' high end. What is really a wonder to me is the way their marketing gimmicks were so absorbed by those moneyed and cheapied  ;D! If BOSE gear is being sold at a bargain - I think I will buy one. Inaabangan ko nga kung bibigyan mo ako eh!  ;D   ;D   ;D.

I am about to transfer house so I packed all my audio gears na - but these gears will stay for long with me (with back-up pa & alternates - Yamaha 630 with 8.1 stereo; with peerless in 6.1 HT - before 25k & now 15k / NEC A10 JFET-based with Technics SB501 (8k) / dual T.amp with coral A10-100 (6k) / dual Technics X840 SVIchip-based with diatone 6inch full range (3.7k) / Yamaha AVR1000 classA with Akai SW125 - 5.6k / vintage Pioneer-revised regulated LM3886-based with Pioneer B20 FR - 3.5k / Yamaha 2x8" tower subwoofer - 3k). They are set-up at different locations in 2 houses where I usually stay. I just concluded that basically 90% of the boutique audio gears are just hyped things - and many cheapies can outperform the expensives. I am seeing other good audio gear which I want to buy at cheap price, but have to control myself!  ;D  ;D

I still listens to good materials (still have my TT, hi-fi VHS as my tape analog recorder, and DVD players) if time permits. No time for a new hobby!
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Oct 16, 2006 at 02:28 PM
I am not an audiophile nut  :D  - not into buying spree lately as surplus started to dwindle. Once in a while, I acknowledge good facia (I mean just facia  :) ) of new systems - and amazed how much branded name audio (the usual suspects) try to introduce more channels into small (home) theater - kulang na lang, pati banyo may naririnig kang kumakalampag (surround effects)  ;D.

I am not saying BOSE is not good - they are - that's why they were copied by those into 'so called' high end. What is really a wonder to me is the way their marketing gimmicks were so absorbed by those moneyed and cheapied  ;D! If BOSE gear is being sold at a bargain - I think I will buy one. Inaabangan ko nga kung bibigyan mo ako eh!  ;D   ;D   ;D.

I am about to transfer house so I packed all my audio gears na - but these gears will stay for long with me (with back-up pa & alternates - Yamaha 630 with 8.1 stereo; with peerless in 6.1 HT - before 25k & now 15k / NEC A10 JFET-based with Technics SB501 (8k) / dual T.amp with coral A10-100 (6k) / dual Technics X840 SVIchip-based with diatone 6inch full range (3.7k) / Yamaha AVR1000 classA with Akai SW125 - 5.6k / vintage Pioneer-revised regulated LM3886-based with Pioneer B20 FR - 3.5k / Yamaha 2x8" tower subwoofer - 3k). They are set-up at different locations in 2 houses where I usually stay. I just concluded that basically 90% of the boutique audio gears are just hyped things - and many cheapies can outperform the expensives. I am seeing other good audio gear which I want to buy at cheap price, but have to control myself!  ;D  ;D

I still listens to good materials (still have my TT, hi-fi VHS as my tape analog recorder, and DVD players) if time permits. No time for a new hobby!

hanef sir aHobbit daming mong gears ah? buti kapa you have choices...

Yup BOSE do overpriced their products, pero parang lahat na pupunta lang sa asthetics eh hehehe! actually okey naman siya maganda siya ipropose kay misis pag dating sa WAF. pero kung comparison ng performance eh ang dami dyan, ganda nung bagong pro cinema ng definitive technology (pro 1000 / 2000) kayang kaya itaob sa performance ang BOSE. kaya lang alam mo na ang dami kasi na hyhypnotized ng BOSE lalo na yung mga kasamahan kong OFW. anyways choice naman nila yun...

uyyy na lala mo pa yung wave radio ah? hehehe! meron na naman silang bagong version daw...  ;D ;D ;D   
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Oct 30, 2006 at 10:34 AM
Comment lang!  I still have my 10 year old Bose acoustimass 7 system, and lately upgraded my center to Bose VCS 10, added a Velodyne CHT8R for the LFE.  HK135 AVR. Samsung 32in LCD, HDMI Toshiba DVD

When friends (audio/video enthusiasts ) hear/watch my set up. Iba talaga tumunog ang Bose, they say.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: brandon on Nov 04, 2006 at 07:48 PM
dati point and shoot din lang ako eh, tapos it napunta na sa range finder tapos SLR then ayan DSLR na hehehe, parang newbie to audiophile...

tama ka dun na ako sa sound ng engine revs, hanef! yung "grrr!!!" sound ng flat 6 ng Porsche 911 turbo hehehe! 

This is out of topic but I'm also into digital photography as a 'new' hobby.  :)
(My audio system is already 'perfect' for me so I haven't posted or read
 anything 'audio' for quite some time already.)

Back to photography...
Check out http://www.dpreview.com  
for REALLY unbiased reviews.  (CNET.com is biased to Canons.)

I prefer compact (point-and-shoot) cameras to D-SLR's for family, party, friends,
and vacation photography. Compact cameras are best for 90% of the population.
(I recommend D-SLR's only for people with photography as a job since the typical
user will be turned off by their bulky size and very 'unprocessed' soft-looking
pictures which require post processing for best and optimum results.)
 
Fujifilm Finepix F10/F11/F20/F30/F31fd are the best compact cameras
for family/personal/social use: They are go-anywhere cameras ideal for low light conditions
(fireworks, concerts, candlelight, indoors [bars, homes and restaurants], parties).
Very good high ISO performance (F30/F31fd's ISO 800 noise levels will give D-SLR owners
a run for their money).

Excellent 'bridge' (or 'SLR'-like) cameras: Olympus C8080;  Fujifilm Finepix S6500fd

Excellent D-SLR's: Canons and Nikons
(I prefer the Canons though.  Nikons are IMHO way overpriced and overrated.)  ;D

---------------
Para hindi completely 'out of topic',   :)

My comments on Bose: ;D

Bose are really good-sounding speakers; not as bad as some bashers in PinoyDVD
would like us to believe.  Just not 'audiophile-grade' though, but good-sounding
nevertheless. 

Bose speakers especially the Acoustimass systems are ideal for those wanting
compact speakers with a 'sleek', futuristic look and with a 'classy' high-end name
(to majority of the population).

Bose cubes will disappoint the serious audiophile who will be surprised why he can't
hear triangle and organ sounds in his recordings which are supposed to contain
those instruments.

Bose is good for vocals, acapella and SOME jazz music since its
midrange reproduction is good.  Anybody into these kinds of music
will not likely be disappointed by Bose.  However, if one's musical taste is as
varied as mine, Bose will be a disappointment.
Lots of musical instruments (especially in those with high treble and low bass
sounds) will not be reproduced well by Bose.  Lots of subtle nuances in the music
will also be not reproduced by Bose.

In this case then, a B&W or some other 'standard' audiophile
grade speakers/equipment are best.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Pittri M.D. on Nov 22, 2006 at 04:45 PM
Quote
Most high end speaker systems not NOT THX certified.  That's because serious audiophiles consider THX to be far below the standards for audiophile-grade listening.  THX is for home theater.  Not for audiophile-grade music listening. 

And that's probably what BOSE thinks.  That they're speakers are audiophile-grade.  Superior to  home theater-grade.
Yup. I agree. Except for a minor detail...

Quote
Did Bose mention that Bose speakers are audiophile grade? What is THX certification anyway?
www.thx.com  (http://www.thx.com)

Quote
No BOSE did not think they are audiophile  Huh !
Some so-called 'audiophiles' thought that BOSE thought they are audiophile-grade!  Grin
Who decides whether they are audiophile grade or not?

Sali ako guys... You probably know these already, but for those who don't, read on. Just my thoughts...

-THX was not intended for music listening per se. George Lucas created the standard for sound uniformity among theaters. He just wants us to hear the mixing and the recording the way it was meant to be. As close to the mixing studio sound as possible. The way the director originally intended.

-Myth: THX certification is equal to "audiophile grade" certification.

-Fact: A point often missed: An "audiophile grade" equipment can be THX certified as long as it passes the minimum reqiurements. Better yet supercedes them. So, not all THX certified equipment can be accused of falling far below "audiophile" standards.

-THX is not as others would say "far below the standards for audiophile-grade listening", Hey, it never claimed that in the first place. It's basically just a standard, a seal of approval so to speak.

-Bose (or any manufacturer for that matter) is not THX certified because they feel they are superior to the THX standard. This also goes for other manufacturers without any THX certified product who feel that they do not need George Lucas' seal of aprroval (and maybe some of them are probably right).

-To be THX certified, there are certain requirements. Maybe, just maybe Bose or "X" Speaker/Amplifier Manufacturer applied for it but did not pass the requirements (ex., Bass Handling Capabilities, Timbre Matching, etc...).

-So to have a THX certified HT means you are getting the closest sound possible to the original one. Makes sense because that is also the equipment most movie studios used to mix the movie score. Hence, you hear the sound the way the director meant it to be.

-I'm a big fan of THX (hindi naman halata diba? ;D), I just do not have enough dough to complete my all-THX system.

Moving on...
I like Bose products (but maybe not as much as say for example B&W and JBL). Bose are fine products and I have nothing against them (except maybe for their price). I admit I too also criticized (a.k.a. talked s#!t) Bose a few times before... But that is beside the point, what I'm trying to say is, If a certain individual thinks that they are "audiophile grade", so be it. Who are we to say otherwise? Di po ba?

Finally...
Question: Who decides whether an equipment is "audiophile grade" or not? Who has the almighty ears that makes that decision? (I surely would like to meet him/her  ;D) Think about it...  ;)

...but then again, that's just me...

P.S., Wow, haba na pala ng "nobela" ko ah  ;D
Title: Where can I find Bose 901 series active equalizer?
Post by: sansui on Dec 20, 2006 at 12:56 AM
I have a friend whose active equalizer went missing when they transferred to a new home.  Where do we find one? Is it the same for the different series of Bose 901?  Salamat.
Title: Bose speakers Ok B?
Post by: 2RM on Jun 20, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Napansin ko lang po sa mga picz ng home theater nyo parang walang gumagamit ng BOSE speakers especially ung accoustima series nila. Considering ung price nila, ok rin b un sa 3x3 m n room for home theater? TIA
Title: Re: Bose speakers Ok B?
Post by: Ctlim on Jun 20, 2008 at 11:55 PM
there are just so many speakers available that can compete with the price of bose, better sounding and more value. you cant really expect those small cubes to compete with its bigger HT counterparts.

bose systems are more of lifestyle gears than anything else... sleek, compact and pleasing to the eyes. I wouldnt mind buying a bose system to use on a bedroom set-up to save space. if you have enough room there are lots more to choose from.
Title: Re: Bose speakers Ok B?
Post by: ramsey on Jun 21, 2008 at 02:45 PM
Ok naman tunog nya kaya lang overpriced. Bose Accoustimass 10-53k ,compared to a 5.1wharfedale set up-20k. Pareho lang silang maganda. Mas lamang pa siguro wharfedale sa quality. San ka pa?  IMHO
Title: Re: Bose speakers Ok B?
Post by: audiojunkie on Jun 21, 2008 at 04:41 PM
B - buy
O - other
S - system/sound
E - equipments

;D 
;D
;D 
;D
Title: Re: Bose speakers Ok B?
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 21, 2008 at 10:20 PM
Tama si audiojunkie. You really shouldn't waste your money on Bose systems. They are literally junk pero ang galing ng marketing. Quite similar to some of our honorable Senators.  ;D
Title: Re: Bose speakers Ok B?
Post by: Huddaf on Jun 23, 2008 at 12:28 AM
Imho, bose uses an old technology which they are still using on their marketing gimik. The direct reflecting churva. ;D
Title: Re: Bose speakers Ok B?
Post by: Eric S. on Jun 23, 2008 at 02:17 AM
  " No highs, no lows, by Bose"
  Yep I got suckered into their hype several years back then I got more informed. U can get more for ur money.
Title: Re: Bose speakers Ok B?
Post by: Philander on Jun 23, 2008 at 03:04 AM
I said this before, I'll say it again.

BOSE. Overhyped. Overpriced. Overrated.
Title: Re: Bose speakers Ok B?
Post by: av_phile1 on Jun 23, 2008 at 11:25 AM
You can try visiting other audiophile forums on the net.  Their audiophile members are unanimous in bashing this brand. No self-respecting audiophle wants to be caught dead with a bose speaker.  They never had, they still don't.  But they will do if you have money to waste and a cramped living room or kitchen you want accesorized or a space-concious housewife to please.   ;D
Title: Re: Bose speakers Ok B?
Post by: ramsey on Jun 23, 2008 at 12:01 PM
Nakow! Sa bose bashing na naman papunta thread na 'to. Bakit ba wala pa ko nadinig na nagtanggol mula sa side ng Bose? O kaya bat di man lang nila ipaliwanag side nila( BOSE corp.) Dahil kaya bistado na sila?
Title: Re: Bose speakers Ok B?
Post by: frootloops on Jun 23, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Nakow! Sa bose bashing na naman papunta thread na 'to. Bakit ba wala pa ko nadinig na nagtanggol mula sa side ng Bose? O kaya bat di man lang nila ipaliwanag side nila( BOSE corp.) Dahil kaya bistado na sila?

It's like me against the world yan. Hindi naman lahat ng BOSE pangit, their BS 201/301 na mga series IV na made in US or assembled in Mexico pa okay naman, yung iPod sound dock nila mahusay din comapred to other also expensive docks. Ang laging tinitira yung lifestyle series nila, yung talagang ang mahal. I do not consider myself an audiophile so okay lang siguro magkaron ng BOSE. I use BOSE QC2 headphones and 301, okay naman. Dati may 802 and 601 din ako.

Sir AV, being an expert, have you seen anyone using pro speakers for their HT? When I was at Audiophile, I saw and heard Peevey and Community BS, ang linis tumunog especially sa vocals, reasonable naman yung prices compared to B&W and others. I am actually considering trying it.

2RM, audition kita kung gusto mo.  ;D
Title: Re: Bose speakers Ok B?
Post by: kalash on Jun 23, 2008 at 12:58 PM
It's like me against the world yan. Hindi naman lahat ng BOSE pangit,

Yup I agree too. I am using a Bose AM5 for almost 12 years as our fronts for both movies and music and it sounds good. What I like about this model is it can go really loud without distortion and loss of quality when compared to our Mission speakers. Its bass is tight and punchy (when used with a poweramp) but definitely not deep that is why we added a powered subwoofer (when used with a receiver).
But for other Bose products, I find them overpriced but definitely not bad sounding.
Title: Re: Bose speakers Ok B?
Post by: ericag_ph on Jun 23, 2008 at 02:55 PM
I had BOSE Accoustimas (P45K+) and Wharfedales Diamond 8.xxx (P19K) in the same room and using same receiver.

Wharfedales sounded at least 2x better.


Napansin ko lang po sa mga picz ng home theater nyo parang walang gumagamit ng BOSE speakers especially ung accoustima series nila. Considering ung price nila, ok rin b un sa 3x3 m n room for home theater? TIA
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: eksi on Jun 23, 2008 at 09:38 PM
In 1993 during our electronics class, BOSE ang binibida samin ng titser namin. Kaya from then on, talagang sobrang panatiko ako sa BOSE and sa isip ko no'on balang araw magkakaron ako ng home theater tapos BOSE and speakers ko. Natatandaan ko pa sabi ng titser ko di mo malalaman kung saan nangagaling ang sound kahit inuupuan mo na :)

In 2002 when i had my first budget HT, pinapangarap ko parin magkaroon ng BOSE. Kaso di kaya budget for expensive speakers even dvd players and TV.

Sometime last year, when I learned about PinoyDVD, I was expecting reviews of BOSE. Napatanong ako, bakit walang review or thread about BOSE active at that time. I was introduced to other high-end speakers such as Mission, B&W, DynaAudio, AE, Monitor Audio etc. as well as other high-end amplifiers such as Rotel, Denon, HK etc. (dati kasi Onkyo lang kilala ko). And I was able to audition different combos of said speakers and amplifiers and arrived to my conclusion na hindi Onkyo + BOSE and da best :)

For me definitely BOSE' sound doesn't sucks, but now having the same budget for said speaker, I'll go for other speakers mentioned earlier. :)
 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: bono vox on Jun 24, 2008 at 01:14 PM
i like their 901 series.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ramsey on Jun 24, 2008 at 01:40 PM
Yung mga Bose na gawa dati hanggang ngayon maganda pa rin tumunog. Tulad nung 201 ng kapitbahay ko. Kung tunog lang talaga pagbabasehan, OK naman ang Bose. Wag mo lang titingnan ung price,material,driver, quality etc...
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: dimple_guy0619 on Jun 24, 2008 at 05:54 PM
I'ved got Bose 601 Series III Floorstanding speaker .Bought it from Jeddah K.S.A 1992 until now ..Buhay pa... Alive & kicking pa din.... :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: akyatbundok on Jun 24, 2008 at 08:12 PM
Maganda din naman ang Bose.  Most of the negative comments about Bose seem to be directed toward the price/performance of the Acoustimas satelite products.

But it's not the only product that they make.  When I was in living in Japan in the mid-90's the Bose 121 Westborough was highly regarded by the local audio magazines.

It's interesting though that the Westborough product line only seems to exist in Bose Japan and not anywhere else (link (http://www.bose.co.jp/jp_jp?url=/consumer_audio/stereo_speakers/westborough/index.jsp)).
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: acn0236 on Jun 25, 2008 at 01:31 AM
Ok naman yung Bose ko.  Connected sa computer ko for mp3 listening and viewing avi/mkv videos.  I don't think it's really that bad.  It pales in comparison nga lang talaga kung i-cocompare sa iba.  My room is small kaya ok talaga yung bose speakers.  Yung bose nga pala namin was dad's mistake kasi nadali ng marketing.  We got it at 50% off the store price kasi aalis na papuntang states yung may-ari kaya pwede na rin!  Ok na rin yung mistake kasi napapakinabangan ko talaga sa maliit kong room.  ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: rrg122270 on Jun 25, 2008 at 02:22 AM
 OT
 pa singit lng po mga sir
 baka may alam kaung nagbebenta ng 901/701/601
 pa pm na lng po
 thnx
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: odyopayl on Jun 25, 2008 at 06:53 AM
These are my Bose Speakers:
Use as my sorround for 6.1 set-up
Bose Acoustimass 7 (old product)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y224/Odyopayl/BoseAcoustimass7-1.jpg)
They work very good as sorround speakers and they are small.

For my Desktop Computer
Bose Companion II
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y224/Odyopayl/BoseCompanion2.jpg)
I can't find better for the size

For my Notebook
Bose Mini Monitor
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y224/Odyopayl/BoseMiniMonitor2.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y224/Odyopayl/BoseMiniMonitor1.jpg)
Very tiny but bigger sound, I can carry them anywhere I go.

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: odyopayl on Jun 25, 2008 at 06:57 AM
Nakow! Sa bose bashing na naman papunta thread na 'to. Bakit ba wala pa ko nadinig na nagtanggol mula sa side ng Bose? O kaya bat di man lang nila ipaliwanag side nila( BOSE corp.) Dahil kaya bistado na sila?
Bose is bose either you Love it or Hate it! ;D
Personally I like some of the models. They are not bad, I noticed mahal sila sa Pinas hahaha. Lalo na Comapanion II at Mini Monitor Gossh! Ginto!!!
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: frootloops on Jun 25, 2008 at 11:09 AM
Bose is bose either you Love it or Hate it! ;D

Hehe...korek ka dyan. Lahat ng bagay (esp audio gears), paraang politika at relihiyon lang yan, kanya kanya ng paniwala, kanya kanya ng impluwensya. wether tama or mali, kung saan ka masaya, suportahan taka.. ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: vtec3 on Jun 25, 2008 at 01:43 PM
had an all Bose set-up when i started my HT  ;) actually still in working condition pa din yung mga speakers. yun nga lang brother ko na gumagamit. Ang natira na lang Bose sa akin is Lifestyle 12 which I use when listening to CD's  ;D really a space saver  ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ramsey on Jun 25, 2008 at 03:30 PM
OT
 pa singit lng po mga sir
 baka may alam kaung nagbebenta ng 901/701/601
 pa pm na lng po
 thnx
try sulit. com
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: bono vox on Jun 25, 2008 at 04:51 PM
i like their 901 series.  ;D ;D ;D

actually i have an am10 series 1 pa, til now gamit ko pa rin sya... pero wish ko rin magkaron ng 901.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: frootloops on Jun 25, 2008 at 06:45 PM
pero wish ko rin magkaron ng 901.  ;D ;D ;D

dumating naman yata sa buhay ng lahat ng audiofools na magkaroon ng 901. Pwede na pang mobile dati yan sa average room area kahit walang sub.  ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: bono vox on Jun 25, 2008 at 07:34 PM
pero wish ko rin magkaron ng 901.  ;D ;D ;D

for my past time... use for videoke!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: odyopayl on Jun 26, 2008 at 04:45 AM
for my past time... use for videoke!  ;D ;D ;D
Same with me, 901 can be the best for videoke! ;D Especially for a small party! Inuman na!
Where can we buy 2nd hand? Anybody? ::)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: odyopayl on Jun 26, 2008 at 04:51 AM
Hehe...korek ka dyan. Lahat ng bagay (esp audio gears), paraang politika at relihiyon lang yan, kanya kanya ng paniwala, kanya kanya ng impluwensya. wether tama or mali, kung saan ka masaya, suportahan taka.. ;D

hahaha. I like Bose for some Audio application, but for a serious 2 ch system well I have my different opinion.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 26, 2008 at 07:22 AM
Same with me, 901 can be the best for videoke! ;D Especially for a small party! Inuman na!
Where can we buy 2nd hand? Anybody? ::)

I have a Bose 901. Series VI yata. For sale.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: alvinthx2 on Jun 26, 2008 at 08:28 AM
My Bose price equation:

Bose MSRP. X 20%= Bose FAir market price.

therefore a Bose system costing 170,000 pesos is just worth 34k.

Kung ito ang price consider it.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Jun 26, 2008 at 11:43 AM
If you can afford Bose, go for it! If not go for Wharf or other brand. Your choice! Pag merong murang good second hand, don't hesitate, grab it.

Me I still use my 13 year old Bose AM7 home theater + Bose surrounds, set-up with Kenwood (new THX2 model). Recently bought a mint condition 901S6 hooked up with Nad C372.  If you need space saving speakers and will matched with your room acoustics, Bose it is!

Medyo may sense of proud ownership. Parang Honda Civic, maporma ang dating, but I prefer a Ford Focus Ghia, in ride stability and quite comfort.  Its only me, ...who cares!
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: iiinas on Jun 26, 2008 at 01:31 PM
don't own a bose system, but i have a lot of friends who are using bose for their audio and ht needs, in my observation, in rooms or spaces that are small to medium, the satellites plus the bass module actually performed quite ok. i think a lot of people just can't accept the fact that its price so high. i really want one too for my bedroom but just can't get myself to spend for one because i always think what i can buy for the money i am about to spend if i got myself a bose system, i think @ganicru is right, if there is a good pre-owned system out there at the right price, i might get one.  ;)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: vtec3 on Jun 26, 2008 at 02:02 PM
my lifestyle 12 sound ok naman for CD listening, yung sub lang ang missing link if you are playing fast music. Nagsawa na din ako listening to music at loud levels, but not when watching movies. Over-all ok na din for me  ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: essence on Jun 29, 2008 at 09:57 AM
I have a Bose 901. Series VI yata. For sale.

Hi, good day, pwede pa PM ng pic and best price ng FS na Bose 901 series IV, also your location.

Cheers,

essence
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ramsey on Jun 29, 2008 at 11:24 PM
I just finished reading this thread today, from page 1 to 14. Grabe! very entertaining. Andaming patutsadahan, kontrahan, may nagpakita pa ng visa, and so on...This made my day!
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: raptor on Jul 09, 2008 at 12:57 AM
BOSE bashing is really popular, I doubt however if those bashers ever owned a BOSE speaker to speak credibly about the sound quality.  Good sound quality depends very much on the listener ... you do not need to place instruments and measure the frequencies, sound level, etc. to enjoy music ... you simply listen and enjoy if the sound quality is good and if the music matches your mood

I've been using BOSE for more than twenty years now ... it started with BOSE Alpha-series bought by my uncle from Saudi - these are equivalent to the old BOSE 501 with 10-inch speakers ... used those for around 20 years and still working up to now, but I recently gave the pair of speakers to my younger brother and replaced those with Dali Ikon speakers .... I still have BOSE model 100 for my rear speakers, and recently bought Companion 3 for my PC

I'm a very satisfied BOSE user ... those old alpha-series that I mentioned above are unbeatable in their prime compared to most of my neighbors speakers, and are not quite that far with the performance of my new Dali speakers .... I guess it's just my taste .... and regarding the BOSE companion series speakers, what I can say is that I haven't really found better sounding PC speakers than those - I've used several Altec and klipsch PC speakers in the past, and those are nowhere near the sound quality ... regarding the high price of the companion series - well, you just need to have access to other markets to get better price - i bought mine on a BOSE shop in a Prime Outlet site in Orlando at half the price they're selling here in the Philippines
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ramsey on Jul 09, 2008 at 08:28 AM
I'm just wondering why some bose speakers can be overdriven without getting distorted. Does anyone have a picture of how the internal part looks like? Is there anyone here who opened their bose speakers?
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Jul 10, 2008 at 04:55 PM
I opened my AM7 bass module in 2000 because I noticed some distortion. I found out that the driver foam surround was ripped, thanks to my Pioneer 100wpc amp and Panasonic graphic equaliser that did it. I brought it to Eleksis and happy to find out that it was still covered by the 5 year warranty and was replaced for minor fee on freight cost. I still have it now perfectly working with my new Kenwood 7 channel amp, without the equaliser any more.  You know what,  grabe yung electronic component sa loob, one circuit board with lots of capacitors small and big, just like an amp circuit. Maybe that is the trade secret of Bose, the circuitry inside.  Hehehe.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: raptor on Jul 11, 2008 at 03:16 AM
I'm just wondering why some bose speakers can be overdriven without getting distorted. Does anyone have a picture of how the internal part looks like? Is there anyone here who opened their bose speakers?

Never opened my BOSE speakers, but this is one good trait... from low to the highest volume, the sound never gets distorted
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Aug 31, 2008 at 04:25 AM
update mga guys I recently bought BOSE desktop speakers sys. yung latest nila cost here sa states 425USD Ihooked it up with my Ipod with Dock, the outcome.... simply amazing huge sound for such a compact system. may libre pa silang carryon bag. I can say this is one of the bose system that is truly worth listening. yun nga lang may con's p rin..."overprice" pero for such people like me that do most of the time traveling, eh audio nirvana na to for me...   
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Oct 06, 2008 at 07:11 PM
update mga bro, here I am again victimized by BOSE, I recently sold the desktop speakers for a cheap price, RFS: nearfield listening...tsk tsk ndi na natuto bad trip...
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ramsey on Oct 06, 2008 at 07:39 PM
Ako din I also sold my Bose AM10. Although maganda sa pandinig ko, Ok naman sya para sa akin. Na carried away lang ako sa mga negative na nababasa ko. Swerte ng nakabili, malas ko. :'( Ngayon wala akong magamit. Hay buhay! Parang life.   
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: frootloops on Oct 06, 2008 at 07:43 PM
Happy pa naman ako sa 301 ko.  ;D 
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Oct 07, 2008 at 06:59 AM
Ako din I also sold my Bose AM10. Although maganda sa pandinig ko, Ok naman sya para sa akin. Na carried away lang ako sa mga negative na nababasa ko. Swerte ng nakabili, malas ko. :'( Ngayon wala akong magamit. Hay buhay! Parang life.   

sir gamit ka ng DAi-Euros tore 4way system hindi ka magsisis malalaman at maririnig mo diff. mura pa nasa 7k lang pares na. yun nga lang sana may space ka sa living room or dedicated audio room. although slim ito eh mataas siya...
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: pogingpogi on Oct 07, 2008 at 03:56 PM
I don't own any Bose speakers and I probably never will even if I can afford it (just being practical). Anyway, I got to audition a bose desktop speaker set and I was astonished by the sound quality of the mids and highs. I was disappointed though with the Bose headphones that costs 3k because I have auditioned much cheaper headphones that sound the same, if not better.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: simonzaide on Oct 07, 2008 at 05:42 PM
yup i have to agree with the headphones i got myself a pair of the in ear headphones for 5.5k if memory serves me right... i mean it was good it didnt really sound bad but when i tried out the sennheiser in ears it was at par or better which was half the price of what i got

i currently purchased a 201 series have yet to hook it up
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: raptor on Oct 07, 2008 at 07:29 PM
I don't own any Bose speakers and I probably never will even if I can afford it (just being practical). Anyway, I got to audition a bose desktop speaker set and I was astonished by the sound quality of the mids and highs. I was disappointed though with the Bose headphones that costs 3k because I have auditioned much cheaper headphones that sound the same, if not better.


I have a pair of Bose Companion 3 ... bought from US for nearly half the selling price here (although by any standard, it is still expensive compared to other PC speakers) ... I'm very satisfied with the performance however, I never heard any other PC speaker sound this good ... mas ok pa sana yung Companion 5 because of simulated surround capability, unfortunately sobrang laki na ng box at di na pwede itago sa hand-carried luggage.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: jrcrunch on Oct 08, 2008 at 12:08 AM
i need repairs for my bose lifestyle remote. can anyone share me the contacts thanks!!!  :)
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: flak-jacket on Oct 08, 2008 at 01:47 AM
^ you should check this out

Eleksis Marketing Corporation
Unit 206, Fox Square Building
#53 Connecticut St.,
Northeast Greenhills
San Juan, Metro Manila 1500

Phone: 724.9566 / 724.7527 / 721.5838 / 727.8208
Fax: (632)721.0476
Email: [email protected]

Service Center
Phone: 724.9566 / 724.7527 / 721.5838 local 112
Direct: 727.1593
Email: [email protected]



Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: jrcrunch on Oct 08, 2008 at 06:52 AM
thanks bro! will contact them soon
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Oct 08, 2008 at 02:56 PM
I don't own any Bose speakers and I probably never will even if I can afford it (just being practical). Anyway, I got to audition a bose desktop speaker set and I was astonished by the sound quality of the mids and highs. I was disappointed though with the Bose headphones that costs 3k because I have auditioned much cheaper headphones that sound the same, if not better.

there are the same what I had, yung latest desktop speakers, bought it here sa US for 425 including tax plus may free siya carrying case. bro I cant say anything about the quality malaki ang difference niya compare sa ordinary desktop speakers, sa clarity oks siya, may free demo disk pa nga kasama pag bili ang problem lang is when you more a little bit further eh ayun, pang near field listening lang talga, problem kasi nung ginagamit ko sa laptop, I watched a lot of movies pag andito sa abroad. apparently medyo dissapointed ako, pero sa nearfiled listening like 2-3 feet away oks pa siya. mdyo overprice lang talga. btw medyo mabigat sa wt solid aluminum ata to eh.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: amateur37 on Oct 09, 2008 at 02:38 PM
I got the 1st generation AM15, ok lang sa HT pero hindi ganon kaganda sa sound reproduction ng music but it can play loud if you want. Although powered sub na, placement is crucial to get that bass you've been wanting to hear & feel (if you can). I have it installed in the bedroom because it's less obtrussive & it has the WAF. I also happened to hear my brother's in ear triport headphone of bose, bass is ok but the mids-highs are not that great & the silicone tips damages easily but bose always replace it for free. But my Phillips SHE9700 & Sennheisser CX400 sounded much better than bose in ear IMO, well that's just me.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: XXXyzledge on Oct 09, 2008 at 03:00 PM
i have a Bose Companion 3 on my PC....

great sound from a small package!  :D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: audiojunkie on Oct 09, 2008 at 03:12 PM
i have a Bose Companion 3 on my PC....

great sound from a small package!  :D

Congratz! brader XXX, ...  :o

got also BOSE Triport Headset.... awesome Bass for headfi set...
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ivannn on Oct 09, 2008 at 03:40 PM
owner of BOSE triport IE here. hehe kakatuwa yan kasi free replacement ng buds.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: rustyns on Oct 11, 2008 at 08:34 PM
In 2001, I bought a pair of Bose series 2 bookshelves for 1k pesos from a guy leaving for the US. Sulit na sulit ;D - ginamit ko pangkaraoke for a while (needed a sub pero hindi nagdidistort kahit sigawan ang mic). Ginagamit ngayon ng pamangkin ko sa kwarto niya.

Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: simonzaide on Oct 22, 2008 at 11:49 AM
hooked up a pair of 201's series 3 to my marantz 54d and i was totally surprised with the outcome.... it sounded really really great... was thinking of selling the 201's already but after listening to it my wife told me to keep it nalang  ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ricky on Oct 22, 2008 at 12:00 PM
Detailed aka bright aka natural sounding ang BOSE so IMO its good for movies :) yun nga lang sobra mahal :D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: xdaatom206 on Oct 24, 2008 at 09:31 AM
How bout Bose 301 ?
Nag iisip kasi ako kung 201 or 301 ang bibilhin ko

I will be using 50% HT and 50% audio

Gurus please enlighten me

Thanks a lot
Title: BOSE 901 dilemma --- please help
Post by: ton2v on Oct 24, 2008 at 09:33 PM
Hi,

I have been browsing here in pdvd for the past months but only until now when my father in law decided to give his old BOSE 901 (series III or IV??) that made me decide to build my own dedicated HT.  Although I am not really a BOSE fan I am not quite sure yet what to do with it. Also I am no HT expert and I have the following questions.

1.  What receiver should I pair with the 901s?  I will mostly use it for Movies
2.  Are these speakers good for HT or better of selling them?
3.  If I decide to keep it what speakers should I get to complement it (surround speakers, center speakers,)

Hope you can help me with my dilemma

Thanks
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ton2v on Oct 28, 2008 at 04:58 PM
Hi

Got a questions what receiver should be a good partner for BOSE 901 series3?  Is this ideal for HT set-up or for audio?

Thanks
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Oct 28, 2008 at 08:02 PM
Hi

Got a questions what receiver should be a good partner for BOSE 901 series3?  Is this ideal for HT set-up or for audio?

Thanks

I think at least 500watts to make this baby sing. but you have to have a nice walls to make the sound reflect. live sound having a surround system but only using fronts with 901's. 

good luck bro...
Title: Re: BOSE 901 dilemma --- please help
Post by: Poorsche on Jan 04, 2009 at 02:26 AM
Well try it out in as many possible ways to see if it really is up to your liking. If not pm me...  :)
Title: Re: BOSE 901 dilemma --- please help
Post by: alvinthx2 on Jan 04, 2009 at 08:34 AM
Hi,

I have been browsing here in pdvd for the past months but only until now when my father in law decided to give his old BOSE 901 (series III or IV??) that made me decide to build my own dedicated HT.  Although I am not really a BOSE fan I am not quite sure yet what to do with it. Also I am no HT expert and I have the following questions.

1.  What receiver should I pair with the 901s?  I will mostly use it for Movies
2.  Are these speakers good for HT or better of selling them?
3.  If I decide to keep it what speakers should I get to complement it (surround speakers, center speakers,)

Hope you can help me with my dilemma

Thanks

For me, I would sell them, they are not suitable for HT because you cannot control the dispersion pattern of these speakers. Remember these are direct reflecting speakers, more than 80% of its output are reflected at the back wall by the speaker. With HT, you need speakers that the dispersion pattern is controlled especially the vertical dispersion. You want precise localization with your frontstage, the 901 cannot do that.
Title: Re: BOSE 901 dilemma --- please help
Post by: ǝʞɐɾ ʎzzɐɾ on Jan 04, 2009 at 08:47 AM
hi there,

as difficult as it may seem, i believe the dilemma is not whether the 901s will pair up better.  i think the difficulty is that this came from your father in law.  thats really difficult if i were in your shoes.  ;D

suggest you keep them, for audio purposes, and get another set of speakers for HT use.  i would agree with alvin here that they may not be the best for HT use, but also definitely not the worst.  am certain you would still listen to music and you may find the 901s not bad at all.

cheers and good luck.
Title: Re: BOSE 901 dilemma --- please help
Post by: JojoD818 on Jan 04, 2009 at 12:19 PM
hi there,

as difficult as it may seem, i believe the dilemma is not whether the 901s will pair up better.  i think the difficulty is that this came from your father in law.  thats really difficult if i were in your shoes.  ;D

suggest you keep them, for audio purposes, and get another set of speakers for HT use.  i would agree with alvin here that they may not be the best for HT use, but also definitely not the worst.  am certain you would still listen to music and you may find the 901s not bad at all.

cheers and good luck.

+1...

A father in law can be your best friend or a very nasty enemy... selling them right now is like saying your father in law has a bad taste in choosing speakers so I suggest you keep those Bose first...  ;D






Title: Re: BOSE 901 dilemma --- please help
Post by: streetsmart on Jan 04, 2009 at 03:17 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the 901 has 8 drivers firing towards the rear and 1 firing forward. I think they are excellent for parties -- ambience. That's what I use them for.  :)

But I believe they aren't great for any other purpose.
Title: Bose 301 speaker placement help...Please
Post by: dannielsimone on Feb 10, 2009 at 11:41 AM
Perhaps some of you can help me with this.  Am using my Bose 301 as fronts in my HT.  I have limited space so can I stand the Bose on  a speaker stand Vertically or is it a must to place it horizontally as so many do? 

I personally find no difference in the sound quality either way.

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Bose 301 speaker placement help...Please
Post by: blued888 on Feb 10, 2009 at 12:18 PM
If you find no difference in the sound, then by all means go for it.

Doesn't matter if anybody else says you should not orient it otherwise. ;D

From my experience (Yamaha satellite speakers), when I placed them horizontally the sound came out weird, the language and the effects seemed less intelligible.
Title: Re: Bose 301 speaker placement help...Please
Post by: dannielsimone on Feb 10, 2009 at 12:27 PM
If you find no difference in the sound, then by all means go for it.

Doesn't matter if anybody else says you should not orient it otherwise. ;D

From my experience (Yamaha satellite speakers), when I placed them horizontally the sound came out weird, the language and the effects seemed less intelligible.

Thanx for your thoughts there blued888. I have been using it 99% (over the many years) for music and found when placed vertically it was sounded fine and never even considered to place it horizontally until I had seen some doing so on this forum.  In the Bose shops all the 301 and 201 are placed horizontaly.

Am hoping a few Bose users could tell me there experiences.
Title: Re: Bose 301 speaker placement help...Please are
Post by: frootloops on Feb 10, 2009 at 01:50 PM
I believe they are designed to use horizontally. It's tweeter is tilted and its mid is facing backwards, I can't seem to imagine how will it work right if positioned vertically.
Title: Re: Bose 301 speaker placement help...Please are
Post by: dannielsimone on Feb 10, 2009 at 07:04 PM
I believe they are designed to use horizontally. It's tweeter is tilted and its mid is facing backwards, I can't seem to imagine how will it work right if positioned vertically.

yes the tweeter and mid are tilted.  These are how ever "reflecting speakers" and the sound reflects through out (bouncing off walls  and the rest?).  In other words and how I see it ,( and I can be very wrong  :-[  )the tilted tweeter and mid are reflecting the same surface weather horizontal or vertical. 

Title: Re: Bose 301 speaker placement help...Please are
Post by: frootloops on Feb 10, 2009 at 07:14 PM
yes the tweeter and mid are tilted.  These are how ever "reflecting speakers" and the sound reflects through out (bouncing off walls  and the rest?).  In other words and how I see it ,( and I can be very wrong  :-[  )the tilted tweeter and mid are reflecting the same surface weather horizontal or vertical. 



I don' think it will give you the same result. Have you tried it? I actually did tried this before, wala lang trip lang... ;D  but I got a different result. The tweets are designed to toe-in for the viewer, so if you do it vertically the only way it will go is down or upward. Will it give you the space you were looking for if you were to do it vertically? I think the difference is only minimal.
Title: Re: Bose 301 speaker placement help...Please are
Post by: dannielsimone on Feb 10, 2009 at 07:35 PM
I don' think it will give you the same result. Have you tried it? I actually did tried this before, wala lang trip lang... ;D  but I got a different result. The tweets are designed to toe-in for the viewer, so if you do it vertically the only way it will go is down or upward. Will it give you the space you were looking for if you were to do it vertically? I think the difference is only minimal.
actually the horizontal "foot print" is almost twice that of the vertical and yes my space is really tight.
Title: Re: Bose 301 speaker placement help...Please are
Post by: raptor on Feb 10, 2009 at 08:29 PM
yes the tweeter and mid are tilted.  These are how ever "reflecting speakers" and the sound reflects through out (bouncing off walls  and the rest?).  In other words and how I see it ,( and I can be very wrong  :-[  )the tilted tweeter and mid are reflecting the same surface weather horizontal or vertical. 



the direct reflecting speakers are designed to bounce audio on the sides (through walls) ... not ceiling or floor

the units should have better sound reproduction on horizontal orientation ... just my opinion
Title: Re: Bose 301 speaker placement help...Please are
Post by: dannielsimone on Feb 13, 2009 at 05:02 PM
the direct reflecting speakers are designed to bounce audio on the sides (through walls) ... not ceiling or floor

the units should have better sound reproduction on horizontal orientation ... just my opinion

Thanx.  Am still looking for an opinion from Bose owners but it seems that most of them are waiting for ground hogs day to voice there thoughts.   :D
Title: Re: Bose 301 speaker placement help...Please
Post by: disturbed on Feb 13, 2009 at 10:13 PM
from the day we bought them..they are placed horizontally and placed them near wall corners since that is what I have read because they are reflecting speakers..never thought of placing them vertically :D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ganicru on Mar 31, 2009 at 10:43 AM
Hi

Got a questions what receiver should be a good partner for BOSE 901 series3?  Is this ideal for HT set-up or for audio?

Thanks


Hooked mine with NAD C372 (150wpc int amp) and NAD C545BEE cdp. Used also with ziller karaoke system during my daughter's victory party (Nurse board passser). Wow and lakas without distortion, buong buo ang tunog, dinig sa subdivision.... hehehe

Swerte ko talaga sa Bose, recently bought a mint condition Bose Acoustic Wave System I (P60K BN yung II), used to own by an American for 5years. Ganda pala tumunog nito, very impressive, lifelike sound level deep low end from a box, portable pa, pwede dalin sa outings. Enjoy ang family....
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: simonzaide on Apr 21, 2009 at 10:11 AM
guys just an FYI be carefull of buying the in ear bose earphones in the market today since its flodded with knock offs. I was able to buy one for my wife abroad from a bose store and was suppose to purchase one yesterday for myself

buti nlng i examined it before buying. although the box looks similar. take not of the following

leather pouch should be the one with a zipper not the magnetic one

3.5 connector should be the L shaped not the flat one

i almost ended up throwing away hard earned money
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Benissimo on Jun 07, 2009 at 06:09 PM
I own an Acoustimass 10. Luma na pero ok na ok pa rin ang sound. It's a good investment.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: m0b1u5 on Jun 07, 2009 at 06:30 PM
Just had a 601 Series 2 restored
Baffles needs additional touches though
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: muypogi on Jun 07, 2009 at 08:15 PM
Bose Companion  speakers.  Expensive 2.0 desktop speakers (7k), but for the money and the minimal footprint on your desk, sound quality in nearfield applications is very impressive. Use it with an ipod with a dock connector adapter for best sound quality.  I had a T-amp + wharfedales for my initial office setup, but that one had to be cranked up loud to have good sound.  I settled on the Companion 2 since you don't need to play them loud to to hear the detail in the music.

But for serious listening at home, I'd steer clear from the Bose Lifestyle systems. . .
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: ramsey on Jun 08, 2009 at 06:57 AM
Namimiss ko yung Bose AM10 III namin dati. It can go loud without distorting.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: Benissimo on Jun 08, 2009 at 06:02 PM
^^ very true. To think na ang liit lang ng size ng cube speakers pero buo ang tunog.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: vinpan on Jun 10, 2009 at 07:25 PM
I still have my first and last Bose product I ever owned: A Bose Spatial Receiver and a pair of 901 Series IV speakers.  A gift from my dad when I turned 15 back in the late 70s!  ;D

Though it has taken a back seat to my other systems in the house it still works when tasked, even after all these years! I think the receiver was ahead of it's time with a touch sensitive Bose logo as a power button. Both are still in great shape but the speakers have gone through at least three sets of surround replacements in the past. 

Keeping it for sentimental reasons  :D
It's identical to this setup: http://tucson.craigslist.org/ele/1164295652.html
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: blued888 on Jun 17, 2009 at 02:15 PM
Are there Bose cubes which can be connected to any brand receiver? (i.e. Yamaha, Denon. Onkyo, etc)

Or proprietary talaga yung amplifier niya? Thanks.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: audio_slave on Jun 25, 2009 at 04:37 PM

Mga Sir,

Baka naman matulungan nyo naman ako para makabili ng Bose 901 s4 active Equalizer....

nawala kc sa bagahe ng pinauwi ko.

Salamat!
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: bono vox on Jun 25, 2009 at 05:03 PM
^oh, sobrang sayang naman yun... better inquire to bose phils.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: bono vox on Jun 29, 2009 at 02:12 PM
question lang mga gurus...

how to connect the bose 901 and equalizer to my denon avr-3802?

tia  ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jun 29, 2009 at 03:29 PM
question lang mga gurus...

how to connect the bose 901 and equalizer to my denon avr-3802?

tia  ;D

Use pre-out then main-in kung meron yung denon mo, if wala from the RCA audio L/R ng source (DVD, CD etc) to receiver/amp RCA inputs. take note its analog source so no use ang optical if your using it for HT purposes use a power amp.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: bono vox on Jun 29, 2009 at 04:02 PM
Use pre-out then main-in kung meron yung denon mo, if wala from the RCA audio L/R ng source (DVD, CD etc) to receiver/amp RCA inputs. take note its analog source so no use ang optical if your using it for HT purposes use a power amp.

thanks for the quick reply... try kong kinabit sa tape input ng receiver ko pero walang epek yung equalizer, wala yatang monitor out yung avr ko... is there any other way?  ;D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jul 02, 2009 at 02:33 PM
thanks for the quick reply... try kong kinabit sa tape input ng receiver ko pero walang epek yung equalizer, wala yatang monitor out yung avr ko... is there any other way?  ;D

analog source lang bro L/R before going sa mains pero make sure may power yung eq maganda kasi yan sa old school amp like JVC victor may pre out/in kasi yun.

bro check mo rin kung okey yung eq at hindi sira. usually try connecting a CD player sa active eq 901 then connect mo sa amp.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: bono vox on Jul 03, 2009 at 09:07 AM
analog source lang bro L/R before going sa mains pero make sure may power yung eq maganda kasi yan sa old school amp like JVC victor may pre out/in kasi yun.

bro check mo rin kung okey yung eq at hindi sira. usually try connecting a CD player sa active eq 901 then connect mo sa amp.

thanks, equalizer is working... to solve the problem and to make the bose 901/equalizer work, i just connected directly to one inputs (cd). actually i used this 901 series for audio only.  :D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jul 03, 2009 at 01:39 PM
thanks, equalizer is working... to solve the problem and to make the bose 901/equalizer work, i just connected directly to one inputs (cd). actually i used this 901 series for audio only.  :D

thats good to know. actually ive heard a 901 (series 4 ata yun) old school na fabric yung surrounds nung mga drivers. ang layo layo ng tunog niya compare sa AM series nila. too bad lang its not for sale. for keeps ata nung may ari. hes using lang a cd player then eq before going sa power amp. though hes using high end cables (AR) its really rumbles, but not too harsh sa ears. grabe sa clarity. oakwood finish pa.
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: bono vox on Jul 03, 2009 at 02:11 PM
thats good to know. actually ive heard a 901 (series 4 ata yun) old school na fabric yung surrounds nung mga drivers. ang layo layo ng tunog niya compare sa AM series nila. too bad lang its not for sale. for keeps ata nung may ari. hes using lang a cd player then eq before going sa power amp. though hes using high end cables (AR) its really rumbles, but not too harsh sa ears. grabe sa clarity. oakwood finish pa.

yup sir, sinabi mo pa, malayong malayo talaga difference niya sa am series, really enjoying my new 901... actually lahat yata ng 901 series was made of natural wood finish.  :D
Title: Re: BOSE owners list your comments
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Jul 05, 2009 at 07:29 PM
yup sir, sinabi mo pa, malayong malayo talaga difference niya sa am series, really enjoying my new 901... actually lahat yata ng 901 series was made of natural wood finish.  :D

its really great, good for you to a have your 901's rubber surrounds pa rin ba gamit nila? sana ibalik yung fabric type tingin ko kasi mas matibay yun. compare sa rubber.

youll have years of service from those 901's for sure.

try mo gumamit ng 500/ch na power amp ang tindi parang live na live kahit walang DSP's
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: aries405 on Nov 18, 2009 at 07:44 PM
i have a bose 301V driven by a sansui au alpha 607 amps... they sound awesome for me..
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: jambeejay on Dec 15, 2009 at 12:51 PM
Got Bose 201 series 5 L/R front, bose vcs 10 center, bose 161 L/R surround, mordaunt short sur. back and wharfedale sw 150 sub driven by yamaha rx n600 in a 6.1 set up... my evaluation is that the sound is 35% for music and 65% for movies it's really good in movies but now planning for any possible upgrade for best in music. 
What am I supposed to upgrade the avr or the speakers? My only option is to disposed either the yamaha rx n600 or the front speakers? pls advise  mga ht gurus.

ty
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: trigo on Dec 17, 2009 at 04:37 AM
hi HT guru,

i have a bose acoustimas 15 (powered 5.1) that is producing a humming sound when everything if off except the speaker.  the humming (bass) sound disappears when i turn off the speaker or turn on the AV receiver.  any idea if my speaker is broken???

trigo
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Dec 17, 2009 at 04:46 AM
it would probably the amp section of your AM15 bass module.
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: Rakenrol on Jan 05, 2010 at 12:38 AM
Mga Sir,

Just want to ask your opinions. What do you think of Bose acoustimass 6 series 3?

Salamat
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: mikeer2002ph on Aug 27, 2010 at 12:30 PM
My dad is a proud owner of a Bose AM5 and a pair of V100s (eleksis people have the nerve of telling me that those V100s are 'disposable' despite their high price tag)

I'm the unlucky guy tasked for its maintenance throughout the years.
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: Benissimo on Sep 04, 2010 at 09:06 PM
Mga bro, feedback naman sa Companion 2 (series II). I'm comtemplating on this unit over the Creative Gigaworks T40 series II. Plan to have a 2.0 speaker set-up for my notebook. Mostly for listening to music lang. Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: vondoom on Sep 14, 2010 at 02:25 PM
Mga bro, feedback naman sa Companion 2 (series II). I'm comtemplating on this unit over the Creative Gigaworks T40 series II. Plan to have a 2.0 speaker set-up for my notebook. Mostly for listening to music lang. Thanks for the info!

try to find a logitech Z-10 that's on sale. ganda siya pang desktop 2.0 tas toe-in konti. hindi siya maingay pag nasa labas ng sweet spot so ok siya sa application mo.
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: odyopayl on Sep 15, 2010 at 05:46 PM
Mga bro, feedback naman sa Companion 2 (series II). I'm comtemplating on this unit over the Creative Gigaworks T40 series II. Plan to have a 2.0 speaker set-up for my notebook. Mostly for listening to music lang. Thanks for the info!
Go for it! I have one and very satisfied with it. Simple and more neutral than speakers using Subs ;)

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y224/Odyopayl/DSC00318.jpg)

Ito pa!!!

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y224/Odyopayl/DSC00347.jpg)


If it's from BOSE it must be Good! ;)
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: downsouth on Sep 19, 2010 at 11:42 PM
Just inherited my moms old....very old LifeStyle 20 ;D

Does anyone know where I can get cheap stands for the cube speakers?

I'm gonna pair it hopefully with our first NMT.

Salamat! 
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: monreq on Sep 20, 2010 at 02:04 PM
The fullrange of Bose Companion 2 is very good. I disassemble my Bose Companion 2 to convert it to Zigmahornet floorstander speakers.  I am  hopeful that it will be successful.  Because I tried the Bose speakers without its speaker box and still it has very clear sound reproduction.   :)
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: dannielsimone on Oct 09, 2010 at 03:09 PM
Upgraded my sound system recently to wharfedale Diamond 9.6 as my old faithful Bose 301, even after repair twice, could not handle HT or loud 2 channel stereo.  It was obvious to me that the repairs that cost me not very much were, to put it kindly,  misdiagnosed.  Rather than just dump these speakers with a burning curiosity, I decided to have the  bose diagnosed at  Eleksis the official bose dealer, repair and distributor.  Low and behold both woofers and a tweeter had to be replaced.  The woofers were simply worn/blown out in areas you could not see and it was only detectable under very close inspection ( so they told me)The cost to replace was in total 5400 peso.  Now I had no use for these speakers as I have no room for them in my little apartment but on the other hand after about 14 years by my side I could hardly just toss them.  I guess I am a sentimental softy. So I forked out the peso and low and behold they sound great again. Am gonna figure out what to do with them soon enough.  Got the old woofers and tweeter and my kids are amazed with the magnets and asked if I could take off the magents and give it to them. Unfortunatly I tried to remove them but can not.  No big deal.  Do these old woofers have any value left (other than scrap) or are they ready for the garbage bin?  (They wiegh about 10 pounds.)Or.......Perhaps a mechanically inclined technician can use them?
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: jambeejay on Dec 05, 2010 at 03:20 PM
Creative gigaworks T40 far better than bose companion 2 for both movies and music, it has 2 mid range driver and 1 tweeter sound is clear and crisps with plenty of bass. Use this for my laptop and mp3 player and I really love the sound from it.
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: sonwar on Jun 09, 2011 at 04:59 PM
Wow. Thanks for this thread. It is really very helpfull. Muntik na. hehe! I was considering this brand until I saw this thread.

For me, I do not have any experience with this product except listening sa showrooms. But I work in a company that values "data" above all else. And personal opinions are just..... "personal opinions"

So when I see from this website the specs/ data...

http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html
Satellites- 280hz to 13.3khz
Bass module- 46hz to 202 hz

I know that the audible frequency is from 20hz to 20khz. So from the data above, it means that you wont hear any low sound from 203HZ to 279HZ. And high sounds from 13.4khz to 20khz.

This is a lot of sound frequency missing compared to other cheap speakers.

So a guy from the province says that jeep is very fast (opinion), then he goes to the city and say... that car is faster than the jeep I saw in our province.

Another person measured the speed of the jeep at 80Km/hr (DATA). Then also to the city and measured the car at 70km/hr.

Which one is faster now.



Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: ramsey on Jun 10, 2011 at 05:30 AM
Quote from: so

http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html
Satellites- 280hz to 13.3khz
Bass module- 46hz to 202 hz






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That's one interesting article you got there. I used to have an AM10. But I sold it and switched to Paradigm.
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: mhav on Jul 05, 2011 at 06:48 PM
and one thing before buying bose speaker system..have u ever noticed that why bose speaker system does not have THX certification??they have home theater systems right??
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: ilongranger on Jul 11, 2011 at 07:42 AM
proud owner of bose 901. i love them. have owned dyns, sonus and diapason but i love the 901 the most. Must have defective ears cause a lot of people think they are crap. but for me they sound great. :) was suppose to use this as my test speakers but ended up using them as my main.
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: monreq on Jul 11, 2011 at 02:08 PM
proud owner of bose 901. i love them. have owned dyns, sonus and diapason but i love the 901 the most. Must have defective ears cause a lot of people think they are crap. but for me they sound great. :) was suppose to use this as my test speakers but ended up using them as my main.
Ok naman talaga BOSE 901 basta maganda ang amp na gagamitin.  Outstanding ang BOSE 901 sa HI and Mid details.  Sa low frequency lang naman ang medyo di ganun ka detalye sa kanya.  Pero iyong BOSE 901 series 6 that I tested sounded very good with a 100 watter Push Pull Tube amp and with ADCOM AMPS. Ang lutong nga ng palo ng snare drums at dinig iyong pagtama ng drum stick sa side ng drum...napaka natural.

 I am using Bose HVC (speaker driver of Bose 901) for my zigma and coming cabinet double bass reflex.  I am very happy and satisfied.  The Hi and Mid are its forte talaga.  Ang lupit.:)
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: ilongranger on Jul 12, 2011 at 10:08 AM
Ok naman talaga BOSE 901 basta maganda ang amp na gagamitin.  Outstanding ang BOSE 901 sa HI and Mid details.  Sa low frequency lang naman ang medyo di ganun ka detalye sa kanya.  Pero iyong BOSE 901 series 6 that I tested sounded very good with a 100 watter Push Pull Tube amp and with ADCOM AMPS. Ang lutong nga ng palo ng snare drums at dinig iyong pagtama ng drum stick sa side ng drum...napaka natural.

 I am using Bose HVC (speaker driver of Bose 901) for my zigma and coming cabinet double bass reflex.  I am very happy and satisfied.  The Hi and Mid are its forte talaga.  Ang lupit.:)

/quote]

Am using the series 6. When I first heard this in an open space medyo bitin yung highs and lows. pero nung nilagay ko na maliit kung room am very happy with its highs and lows. I think this is very placement sensitive. now i think i would have to sell my sub.
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: kefq on Jul 12, 2011 at 10:46 AM
proud owner of bose 901. i love them. have owned dyns, sonus and diapason but i love the 901 the most. Must have defective ears cause a lot of people think they are crap. but for me they sound great. :) was suppose to use this as my test speakers but ended up using them as my main.

For keeps na ba yan pre  ;D 
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: ilongranger on Jul 12, 2011 at 01:36 PM
For keeps na ba yan pre  ;D 


mukha nga. sana bumagay sa rega elicit.
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: at_sunset_blvd on Jul 12, 2011 at 05:03 PM
proud owner of bose 901. i love them. have owned dyns, sonus and diapason but i love the 901 the most. Must have defective ears cause a lot of people think they are crap. but for me they sound great. :) was suppose to use this as my test speakers but ended up using them as my main.
Yes I think 901s are great sounding, these are very iconic speakers even during the 1980s ;)
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: sound garden on Jul 12, 2011 at 05:09 PM
Im a proud owner before of Bose 901 series I and IV, 601 series II, 802 and 301 series 3. I grew up listening to Bose speakers. It's too late for me to realized that those classic bose speakers are for keeps.  :'(
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: edwin on Jul 12, 2011 at 11:13 PM
Im a proud owner before of Bose 901 series I and IV, 601 series II, 802 and 301 series 3. I grew up listening to Bose speakers. It's too late for me to realized that those classic bose speakers are for keeps.  :'(

I began my hifi journey na medyo hi end na at my standard with bose speakers. I had the 201, 301 and the 901 series 3 before. No doubt, ok naman ang 901 pero it is placement sensitive dahil sa design niyang using the back wall to reflect sound. After using and trying too many speakers, all i could say na for the price, mahal ang asking price ng Bose. Just take a look at the drivers they are using. Pati na ang MDF na gamit nila.

Pasensya na pero this is just my observation. I hope walang magalit na Bose lover dito. No flames intended. ;D
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: ilongranger on Jul 13, 2011 at 09:20 AM
I began my hifi journey na medyo hi end na at my standard with bose speakers. I had the 201, 301 and the 901 series 3 before. No doubt, ok naman ang 901 pero it is placement sensitive dahil sa design niyang using the back wall to reflect sound. After using and trying too many speakers, all i could say na for the price, mahal ang asking price ng Bose. Just take a look at the drivers they are using. Pati na ang MDF na gamit nila.

Pasensya na pero this is just my observation. I hope walang magalit na Bose lover dito. No flames intended. ;D

But you would have to consider also the engineering that goes with the design. R&D is much more expensive than using saloon drivers. Though placement sensitive talaga yung 901 VI. Have heard this in a more open space and d ok and sound ala bass and high. But so is the dyns. when placed in a confined space boomy tumunog.
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: sound garden on Jul 13, 2011 at 12:43 PM
I began my hifi journey na medyo hi end na at my standard with bose speakers. I had the 201, 301 and the 901 series 3 before. No doubt, ok naman ang 901 pero it is placement sensitive dahil sa design niyang using the back wall to reflect sound. After using and trying too many speakers, all i could say na for the price, mahal ang asking price ng Bose. Just take a look at the drivers they are using. Pati na ang MDF na gamit nila.

Pasensya na pero this is just my observation. I hope walang magalit na Bose lover dito. No flames intended. ;D
Im lucky that I got all my bose speakers very cheap and that was during the U.S Naval Base in subic. Did you know that bose 901 came up with bass module design for 901 but it was only released exclusively to japanese market. Yes you are right asking price of bose are very expensive.
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: at_sunset_blvd on Jul 13, 2011 at 08:38 PM
If the 901s is a movie it would considered as a Cult Classic ;D
My very 1st speakers was a 101 powered then being plug into the headphone jack of my Technics Cd Player, good thing also it had a volume knob ;)
R&D for BOSE I think is one of the best in the speaker industry or maybe the best :)
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: sound garden on Jul 13, 2011 at 09:13 PM
If the 901s is a movie it would considered as a Cult Classic ;D
My very 1st speakers was a 101 powered then being plug into the headphone jack of my Technics Cd Player, good thing also it had a volume knob ;)
R&D for BOSE I think is one of the best in the speaker industry or maybe the best :)
+ 100
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: sound garden on Jul 14, 2011 at 08:28 PM
A lot of DIY guyz are going crazy with the 4" full range speaker used in 901, Companion, 141 and 101. Most are used for zigmahornet enclosure HT style. Watch out for monreq new speaker box. :) :) Sorry brader for the revelation of your new project.
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: cnn on Jul 20, 2011 at 08:43 PM
Just got my BOSE Companion 2 Series 2 speakers...

Really good value PC speakers...  Amazing sound from these gizmos...

Having a blast when paired with my MBP MC700 & IPAD2!!!

Just trusted my ears when testing these at a BOSE Shop... Glad I made the decision to get me a pair...

Next project... BELKIN WIRELESS RECEIVER (BLUETOOTH) for my BOSE Companion 2 ;D
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: alexxo39 on Jul 31, 2011 at 09:56 PM
Hi everyone. :)


              Been reading all your comments regarding bose.Now having second thoughts.hehe.. But I guess Premium jewel cube speakers are way better than the direct/reflecting speakers of that acoustimass. I am planning to buy the lifestyle V35 home entertainment center. I was impressed by the adaptiq audio calibration headset and its unify intelligent integration system.  :)
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: monreq on Aug 01, 2011 at 11:37 PM
A lot of DIY guyz are going crazy with the 4" full range speaker used in 901, Companion, 141 and 101. Most are used for zigmahornet enclosure HT style. Watch out for monreq new speaker box. :) :) Sorry brader for the revelation of your new project.
Tapos na..nung Sunday pa. Na test ko na.  Pinapapogi ko pa para mganda sa video.  SQ? Tinalo niya Zigmahornet cabinet design sa bass region at mas natural ang tunog niya.  Kasi sa Zigmahornet enhance ang midrange and midbass.  Sa Double Bass Reflex design, neutral lang..pati bass natural o di masyado extended.  Video will be posted later. :)
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: abiedudes on Aug 02, 2011 at 07:21 AM
Bose 901 series 6...... should i buy or should i dont? mahirap bang ibenta ang 901 if ever hindi ko magustohan in the long run?
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: sound garden on Aug 02, 2011 at 12:58 PM
Bose 901 series 6...... should i buy or should i dont? mahirap bang ibenta ang 901 if ever hindi ko magustohan in the long run?
For keeps na yang Bose 901. Collector's item na yan. A lot of audiophile guyz are going crazy about full range speakers. Kung mura ibigay sa iyo grab it. Goodluck... :)
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: ilongranger on Aug 02, 2011 at 01:05 PM
For keeps na yang Bose 901. Collector's item na yan. A lot of audiophile guyz are going crazy about full range speakers. Kung mura ibigay sa iyo grab it. Goodluck... :)


Yup. mga 30k is fair price for a great condition used 901 series 6. Have been forced to sell mine due to some none audio project but will be back with a vengeance.
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: sound garden on Aug 02, 2011 at 02:57 PM

Yup. mga 30k is fair price for a great condition used 901 series 6. Have been forced to sell mine due to some none audio project but will be back with a vengeance.
Keep mo na lang yan Brader. It's the return of the Full rangers :) :)
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: damiel on Aug 07, 2011 at 05:55 AM
makikisali lang po

My current bose speakers are: bose 301, 101, 501, 901, Acoustimass 5.  ;D


Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: Wildfire™ on Aug 17, 2011 at 07:41 PM
hi can someone tell me what model is this?

(http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k626/wildfire816/DSC05150.jpg)
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: damiel on Aug 21, 2011 at 03:14 PM
hi can someone tell me what model is this?

(http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k626/wildfire816/DSC05150.jpg)

care to post the back view of this speaker sir?
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: Wildfire™ on Aug 21, 2011 at 03:57 PM
sorry yan lang napicturan ng pinsan ko nasa batangas kasi ung speaker and hihingin ko sana kung ok na model to, sabi ng pinsan ko wala na daw label sa likod and spring type siya
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: Signal2Noise on Aug 22, 2011 at 08:41 AM
Got a Bose 201 and AM5 in 1991 paired with Kenwood electronics, I thought it was great but my oldman's Celestion 70's vintage mono on his diy 10watter el84 mini tube amp is far superior sounding than Bose. The only thing I like from Bose is the crystal clear highs but there are some midband coloration and nasal effect on voices, lows are somewhat untight.  Just my experience :)
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: ngek2x on Sep 08, 2011 at 11:26 PM
mga boss may international warranty ba ang bose?
papabili sana ako sa ibang bansa, para naman kampante ako na kahit masira, dito ko papawarranty sa pinas
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: Verbl Kint on Jul 13, 2013 at 07:25 AM
Rest In Peace, Amar Bose.  A true homogenous alumnus, he received his Bachelor's, Master's, and Doctorate degrees from M.I.T.  He founded the Bose Corporation in 1964.

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2013/obit-amar-bose-0712.html
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: frootloops on Jul 13, 2013 at 08:02 AM
Clearance sale sa Connecticut st Greenhills, July12-14.
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: raptor on Jul 13, 2013 at 10:25 PM
mga boss may international warranty ba ang bose?
papabili sana ako sa ibang bansa, para naman kampante ako na kahit masira, dito ko papawarranty sa pinas

likely wala ... i purchased a couple of Companion 2 speakers in the US, when i mentioned that i'll be using the items in the Philippines, they had me sign a waiver that warranty will not be acknowledged outside US
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: odyopayl on Jul 14, 2013 at 07:36 AM
mga boss may international warranty ba ang bose?
papabili sana ako sa ibang bansa, para naman kampante ako na kahit masira, dito ko papawarranty sa pinas
Based on my experience, if use not abuse, they will last more than you need them.....hehehe
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: mak_mak on Jul 20, 2013 at 09:31 PM
mga boss may international warranty ba ang bose?
papabili sana ako sa ibang bansa, para naman kampante ako na kahit masira, dito ko papawarranty sa pinas

Wala po, sir...
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: sonnysy on Jul 23, 2013 at 01:04 PM
companion 3 series II from the states 3 months back. ang mura.

bose dito sobrang mahal.
Title: Re: Bose Speakers
Post by: raptor on Jul 23, 2013 at 02:59 PM
companion 3 series II from the states 3 months back. ang mura.

bose dito sobrang mahal.

yup, it was selling at $159 on outlet stores last month ... laki lang masyado ng box