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Home Theater => Sources => Audio Only Sources => Topic started by: jhelenz on Dec 07, 2012 at 12:10 AM
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hi,i'm just wondering which player sounds better for you?which has the better gui?do you use wasapi or asio?thanks
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I prefer a tweaked install of foobar over jriver, but jriver's also pretty good. Jriver's interface is better imo.
I prefer to use Wasapi Event.
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I have both and Jrivers is better for me..
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I prefer a tweaked install of foobar over jriver, but jriver's also pretty good. Jriver's interface is better imo.
I prefer to use Wasapi Event.
can you pm the tweak brader? thanks
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I've heard both in a friend's system. Sometimes, depende din sa genre ng music and sa system. Very subjective din.
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I've heard both in a friend's system. Sometimes, depende din sa genre ng music and sa system. Very subjective din.
sir,in your experience what music genre is good for foobar and j river?thanks
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can you pm the tweak brader? thanks
why the need to pm?di ba free naman yung foobar?pa share naman master stagea.thanks
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why the need to pm?di ba free naman yung foobar?pa share naman master stagea.thanks
It's a bit long to type, and it is system-dependent. I'd try to post it over the weekend.
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It's a bit long to type, and it is system-dependent. I'd try to post it over the weekend.
thank you brader...bait mo talaga haha...
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It's a bit long to type, and it is system-dependent. I'd try to post it over the weekend.
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thanks, isa ako sa magaabang ng tweak na ito. ^-^
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sir,in your experience what music genre is good for foobar and j river?thanks
Hindi lang sa sa genre, pati sa system din dependent. Kay Billabong, masbagay yun jriver pero in my system, masbagay si foobar.
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Hindi lang sa sa genre, pati sa system din dependent. Kay Billabong, masbagay yun jriver pero in my system, masbagay si foobar.
sir nelson hindi mo na nga sinagot yung tanong ko dinagdagan mo pa ng isa pang palaisipan,hehe.
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sir nelson hindi mo na nga sinagot yung tanong ko dinagdagan mo pa ng isa pang palaisipan,hehe.
I think Nelson was referring to Jplay and not Jriver, unless Billabong had a change of heart.
But yes, some systems work better with certain players. It's best to look for one that works for you.
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I think Nelson was referring to Jplay and not Jriver, unless Billabong had a change of heart.
But yes, some systems work better with certain players. It's best to look for one that works for you.
Thanks for clarifying. yes, it was jplay through bare windows xp. JRiver yun nandito sa akin dati na mabigat i-drive tama?
sir nelson hindi mo na nga sinagot yung tanong ko dinagdagan mo pa ng isa pang palaisipan,hehe.
Masmadaming option, masmasaya. hehe!
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Thanks for clarifying. yes, it was jplay through bare windows xp. JRiver yun nandito sa akin dati na mabigat i-drive tama?
Hindi ata. cPlay yung nasa bare XP niya, tapos jPlay yung nasa Windows 7.
We tried both jPlay and JRiver sa PC mo before, I'm not sure kung ano yung nakainstall pa.
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bookmarked
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This is a Foobar 2000 setup guide for Windows 8, 7 and Vista users.
General order of preference**: WASAPI Event -> ASIO -> WASAPI Push -> DS
** WASAPI Event is the most elegant method (and in most cases is the best method), but some devices do perform better with ASIO (mostly driver-dependent).
Disclaimer: Please note that the impact of these changes are largely dependent on how sensitive your components are to jitter.
WASAPI Setup for those using computers with sufficient RAM (suggested for those with 4GB of RAM or more w/ 64-bit Windows, or 2GB of RAM or more w/ 32-bit Windows):
1. Install the latest version of Foobar 2000 (1.1.18 at the moment)
2. Install the latest WASAPI component (3.0 at the moment)
3. Optional: Install other components that you may use (HDCD, etc.)
4. Do not use DSPs unless necessary (like when your hardware does not support a certain sampling rate)
5. Use WASAPI Event under Output Device when possible
6. Disable fading (0ms)
7. Under Advanced, set full file buffering upto your RAM size minus 2GB (64-bit Windows) or your RAM size minus 1GB (32-bit Windows) in kB (2097152 for 4GB RAM with Win x64, for example)
8. Reduce Playback buffer length to minimum (50ms), unless this causes playback problems
9. Reduce WASAPI buffer length to the lowest setting without causing drop-offs
10. Optional: Run Fidelizer (can hurt system performance)
11. Optional: Adjust process affinities to dedicate cores for Foobar2000 and WASAPIHost (allowing for even reduced latency, but can hurt system performance)
12. Max-out Foobar and Windows Mixer volume settings to ensure bit-transparent playback
13. Optional: Elevate process priorities of Foobar2000 and WASAPIHost (can affect performance)
14. Optional: Cut down on Windows services (will limit OS functionality)
WASAPI Setup for those using computers that are relatively short on RAM:
1. Install the latest version of Foobar 2000 (1.1.18 at the moment)
2. Install the latest WASAPI component (3.0 at the moment)
3. Optional: Install other components that you may use (HDCD, etc.)
4. Do not use DSPs unless necessary (like when your hardware does not support a certain sampling rate)
5. Use WASAPI Event under Output Device when possible
6. Disable fading (0ms)
7. Reduce Playback buffer length to shortest stable setting
8. Optional: Run Fidelizer (can hurt system performance)
9. Reduce WASAPI buffer length to the lowest setting without causing drop-offs
10. Max-out Foobar and Windows Mixer volume settings to ensure bit-transparent playback
11. Optional: Adjust process affinities to dedicate cores for Foobar2000 and WASAPIHost (allowing for reduced latency, but can hurt system performance)
12. Optional: Cut down on Windows services (will limit OS functionality)
13. Optional: Elevate process priorities of Foobar2000 and WASAPIHost (can affect performance)
ASIO Setup:
1. Follow the same setup procedure as WASAPI but skip steps 2, 5, 9, 11 and 13.
2. Install the latest ASIO Output component (2.1.2 at the moment)
3. Select ASIO under Output Device
4. Click use 64-bit ASIO drivers when running Windows x64
5. Click Run with High Process Priority
6. Optional: Tweak device driver to run minimal buffering (device-dependent)
7. Optional: Adjust process affinities to dedicate cores for Foobar2000 and ASIO driver (allowing for even reduced latency, but can hurt system performance)
8. Optional: Elevate process priority of Foobar2000
For OC people (things to be done after the steps above):
1. Optional: Underclock PC to a reasonable speed
2. Undervolt your PC components to the lowest possible stable setting
3. Disable Spread Spectrum, Power Management, Wake from Standby, etc.
4. Optional: Disable Virtual Memory (lots of RAM recommended)
5. Use latency checker to look for software bottlenecks and rid yourself of them http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml (http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml)
6. Optional: Run a separate OS installation focused on ultra-low latency and component utilization
7. Explore use of Foobar2000 XA, JPlay, etc.
OC Hardware Upgrades:
1. Build a dedicated computer using preselected low latency ULV components
2. Use an ultra low noise power supply
3. Add all sorts of DC noise filters
4. Shield components from each other
5. Skip mechanical storage
6. Reclock output to DAC
7. Remove unnecessary components
etc. etc.
Yes, even after you've done all these tweaks, you can still do better (but you'd no longer be using Foobar, and at the extreme level... you'd no longer have access to a GUI).
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atlast...thanks brader ivan...will follow the procedure
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Cool...going to try this. Thank you!
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@stagea, I am using HDMI output (192/24, no DAC) and also just VLC. Will the tweaked foobar play better?
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I use Jriver in kernel streaming mode. Better, livelier and more detailed sound quality compared to foobar2000 with WASAPI 3.0 Event which sounded a bit veiled and flat with my setup.
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brader ivan..ung sa output setting(sound card to use)?
gumagamit kasi ako ng vdac II
ayun ung pinipili ko before dapat ba hindi? thanks
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@stagea, I am using HDMI output (192/24, no DAC) and also just VLC. Will the tweaked foobar play better?
HDMI is intrinsically high jitter, so it normally does not benefit as much from tweaks. However, you can go ahead and try. VLC afaik is not a bit-transparent player, so you may still get some benefits from going for another player that supports WASAPI Exclusive mode even without further tweaking.
I use Jriver in kernel streaming mode. Better, livelier and more detailed sound quality compared to foobar2000 with WASAPI 3.0 Event which sounded a bit veiled and flat with my setup.
As Nelson mentioned, it often is system and listener dependent. It's still best to explore what works for each individual.
brader ivan..ung sa output setting(sound card to use)?
gumagamit kasi ako ng vdac II
ayun ung pinipili ko before dapat ba hindi? thanks
Yes, but it should appear in Foobar several times with different paths.
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HDMI is intrinsically high jitter, so it normally does not benefit as much from tweaks. However, you can go ahead and try. VLC afaik is not a bit-transparent player, so you may still get some benefits from going for another player that supports WASAPI Exclusive mode even without further tweaking.
As Nelson mentioned, it often is system and listener dependent. It's still best to explore what works for each individual.
Yes, but it should appear in Foobar several times with different paths.
thank you matic naman sya...select ko tapos 24bit ung pinipili ko kasi 24bit dac lang un...
ung wasapi try ko iconfigure later
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thank you matic naman sya...select ko tapos 24bit ung pinipili ko kasi 24bit dac lang un...
ung wasapi try ko iconfigure later
You're welcome. You'd need the WASAPI plugin to see the WASAPI path. It's upto you if you want to run with default settings or if you want to tweak the program and your computer afterwards.
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You're welcome. You'd need the WASAPI plugin to see the WASAPI path. It's upto you if you want to run with default settings or if you want to tweak the program and your computer afterwards.
How is wasapi different to VLC?
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HDMI is intrinsically high jitter, so it normally does not benefit as much from tweaks. However, you can go ahead and try. VLC afaik is not a bit-transparent player, so you may still get some benefits from going for another player that supports WASAPI Exclusive mode even without further tweaking.
Thanks chief. I know its jittery , but its betterer running 192/24 on a 192/24 flac. Can you recommend a cheap 192/24 DAC, and what cable should I use, digital RCA or Toslink?
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Thanks chief. I know its jittery , but its betterer running 192/24 on a 192/24 flac. Can you recommend a cheap 192/24 DAC, and what cable should I use, digital RCA or Toslink?
Sir, have you audition or tried Musiland USB DACs? ;)
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Sir, have you audition or tried Musiland USB DACs? ;)
Not yet chief. Please do point me to where I can get it locally.
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How is wasapi different to VLC?
WASAPI is a windows audio session protocol that applications can use boss, it's not a playback application like VLC. A playback application can use WASAPI, on the other hand.
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Not yet chief. Please do point me to where I can get it locally.
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i use both. i prefer foobar for it's smoother sound to tame the highs a bit, but i prefer the UI of jriver as it is easier to use. they both sound great, just different
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Before I use Foobar then I switched to Jplay and now I'm using Cplay. I like Cplay the most. :)
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WASAPI is a windows audio session protocol that applications can use boss, it's not a playback application like VLC. A playback application can use WASAPI, on the other hand.
I see. I followed the wasapi setup on foobar. It's quite interesting.
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hindi ko mapagana ung foobar remotecontrol via android nor ios tsk tsk tsk
set ko ung ip sa 192.168.1.100
192.168.1.100:8888
kapag open ako browser sa pc accessible sa android at ios hindi makita ampfness
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Before I use Foobar then I switched to Jplay and now I'm using Cplay. I like Cplay the most. :)
XXHighEnd is another one to try. :P
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hindi ko mapagana ung foobar remotecontrol via android nor ios tsk tsk tsk
set ko ung ip sa 192.168.1.100
192.168.1.100:8888
kapag open ako browser sa pc accessible sa android at ios hindi makita ampfness
yan ang problema ko with foobar, i have never been able to make the ios remote to work. buti pa yung j river may webmote and plug player which works great for me
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yan ang problema ko with foobar, i have never been able to make the ios remote to work. buti pa yung j river may webmote and plug player which works great for me
may bayad ba ung jriver remote?
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may bayad ba ung jriver remote?
Yung plug player paid app yun. Yung web remote browser lang, you just need to configure dlna of j river
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guys, need help with jriver. im using it with the FURUTECH ESPRIT DAC.
has anyone tried using this with an spdif out ng computer instead of USB? before kasi, i had it working na then, when i had my jriver reinstalled, now it only works with usb na lang, ayaw na sa spdif out. any suggestions? thanks
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may bayad ba ung jriver remote?
hindi ko mapagana ung foobar remotecontrol via android nor ios tsk tsk tsk
set ko ung ip sa 192.168.1.100
192.168.1.100:8888
kapag open ako browser sa pc accessible sa android at ios hindi makita ampfness
You need to have bonjour running as a service tou your pc... You can do this by installing itunes sa pc mo...
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may bayad ba ung jriver remote?
Im using my river remote with my jrivers and yes may bayad sya...pero mura lang 200+ pesos lang... Yakang yaka mo...
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cant play my 192000hz file on foobar but no problem with mpchc :(
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cant play my 192000hz file on foobar but no problem with mpchc :(
Hmmm bakit kaya... Never had a problem with mine..
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cant play my 192000hz file on foobar but no problem with mpchc :(
What DAC are you using? Are you using WASAPI as output?
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What DAC are you using? Are you using WASAPI as output?
yep
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yep
When you use DS as output ayaw pa din tumunog?
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When you use DS as output ayaw pa din tumunog?
weird...dont touch anything but its now working ???
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Not yet chief. Please do point me to where I can get it locally.
hi sir,na try mo nakapag audition ka na ba ng musiland?i heard na may stocks na ulit ng us01.try to audition one bago maubos ulit yung stocks.just install foobar or j river on your pc and hear the difference especially on those 24 bit music files.you won't be disappointed if ever you decide to buy one
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napagana ko na foobar sa HTPC controlled by android device kakatuwa
sa latop na bigay na office ayaw...may mga nakablock ata or something hehe...
kakatuwa nareremote mo pati drives ng htpc hihihi
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hi sir,na try mo nakapag audition ka na ba ng musiland?i heard na may stocks na ulit ng us01.try to audition one bago maubos ulit yung stocks.just install foobar or j river on your pc and hear the difference especially on those 24 bit music files.you won't be disappointed if ever you decide to buy one
Ehem, pwede ba makahiram sayo para home audition? :D
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napagana ko na foobar sa HTPC controlled by android device kakatuwa
sa latop na bigay na office ayaw...may mga nakablock ata or something hehe...
kakatuwa nareremote mo pati drives ng htpc hihihi
Sa akin din. Master Stagea and I installed it last night. Foobar2000 controller. Maganda siya and works even when the monitor is turned off.
Ehem, pwede ba makahiram sayo para home audition? :D
If taga QC ka, we can schedule a home audition for you. Or you can visit me at my place near Ever Commonwealth. Pm na lang sir.
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Sa akin din. Master Stagea and I installed it last night. Foobar2000 controller. Maganda siya and works even when the monitor is turned off.
If taga QC ka, we can schedule a home audition for you. Or you can visit me at my place near Ever Commonwealth. Pm na lang sir.
Cool ibig sabihin ba master I don't even need to turn my monitor on to boot my pc while using the foobar controller?
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Cool ibig sabihin ba master I don't even need to turn my monitor on to boot my pc while using the foobar controller?
You have to boot your foobar first so you would need your monitor initially. Pero after starting the foobar, you can use your android na. Less distraction. ;D
Very cool app!!! 8)
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You have to boot your foobar first so you would need your monitor initially. Pero after starting the foobar, you can use your android na. Less distraction. ;D
Very cool app!!! 8)
Okay din kay boss Luther. :)
Nagtampo lang kay Master Paul ang Foobar dahil pinagpalit nya nung una. Nagpapakahard to get pa muna ngayon na binabalikan ni Master Paul kasi baka sabihin daw eh cheap app siya (parang totoo naman, pumapatol nga ng walang bayad eh).
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Sa akin din. Master Stagea and I installed it last night. Foobar2000 controller. Maganda siya and works even when the monitor is turned off.
If taga QC ka, we can schedule a home audition for you. Or you can visit me at my place near Ever Commonwealth. Pm na lang sir.
yup ganyan din install ko... foobar2000 controler
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Okay din kay boss Luther. :)
Nagtampo lang kay Master Paul ang Foobar dahil pinagpalit nya nung una. Nagpapakahard to get pa muna ngayon na binabalikan ni Master Paul kasi baka sabihin daw eh cheap app siya (parang totoo naman, pumapatol nga ng walang bayad eh).
High end daw kasi ang gamit niya sa house. kaya dapat, gaya ng high end phone niya, high end din dapat ang software sa high end 8 core PC niya. ;D
yup ganyan din install ko... foobar2000 controler
it can even play and search for files within my home network. Or control more than 1 pc.
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Ehem, pwede ba makahiram sayo para home audition? :D
no problem sir.pm na lang kung kailan mo puede kunin.may offer din pala si sir nelson.you will surely be amazed dun sa 24bit sampler na kasama sa installation disc.di na ko naka hometheater set up ngayun pero ok lang solved na solved ako ngayon playing music instead of movies pag may free time.
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no problem sir.pm na lang kung kailan mo puede kunin.may offer din pala si sir nelson.you will surely be amazed dun sa 24bit sampler na kasama sa installation disc.di na ko naka hometheater set up ngayun pero ok lang solved na solved ako ngayon playing music instead of movies pag may free time.
Got it Saer, try ko muna kay Sir Nelson kung pwede sa Etivac..
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Okay din kay boss Luther. :)
Nagtampo lang kay Master Paul ang Foobar dahil pinagpalit nya nung una. Nagpapakahard to get pa muna ngayon na binabalikan ni Master Paul kasi baka sabihin daw eh cheap app siya (parang totoo naman, pumapatol nga ng walang bayad eh).
Finally, napagana ko na yung MonkeyMote for Foobar sa laptop ko! Will try it tomorrow sa HTPC. :D
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Wow, after almost a year of trying, failing and eventually falling back on using Kernel Streaming, I'm finally able to use WASAPI click and pop-free with my HRT MS II and Jriver Media Center. I don't know if its because I updated to MC18 or the firmware in my MS II to v2.3 but WASAPI push mode works flawlessly(yes!). Event-style still gives me occasional clicks so that's a no-go.
As for foobar2000, my DAC works with both event-style and regular WASAPI with the latest 3.1 WASAPI output component. JRMC18 still sounds better to me, though.
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patulong naman po nag expire yung downloaded version ko ng j river.everytime i download and install one pag nagpaplay ako me lumalabas na critical error tapos nag sstop na magplay yung j river.tried unistalling and install different versions but to no avail.anybody here knows where can i download j river for free ;D?or anybody here knows a workaround or patch to prevent j river from crashing?im using foobar at the moment kaya lang mas gusto ko yung ui ng j river.thanks
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^ Same dilemma din ako awhile back when I was "trying-out" JRiver Media Center. Tried all the work-arounds and "patches" out there. Wala rin akong nahanap na permanent na solusyon so ayun, binili ko nalang nung 10% off siya. Medyo mahal pa rin pero worthit. I get all the incremental updates pa. Free upgrade to JRMC version 18 when that came out. Nakiusap na lang ako kay Jim Hillegass(founder ng Jriver Inc.) sa Jriver forums dahil di ako umabot sa promo nila. Pinag-bigyan ako. :)
Try out MusicBee, I read ok daw yung music library management features niya at sound quality. Best of all, free siya. Pwede mo rin i-customize yung UI ng Foobar2000 to suit your preferences. Medyo complicated nga lang but you only have to do it once.
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gamitan niyo ng timestopper yung trial version ng j river. wag lang kayo magupgrade ng j river hindi mag e expire yung trial version
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Try out MusicBee, I read ok daw yung music library management features niya at sound quality. Best of all, free siya.
just tried musicbee now and i can say that it sounds great! i see myself using this free music player a lot over j river and foobar
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gamitan niyo ng timestopper yung trial version ng j river. wag lang kayo magupgrade ng j river hindi mag e expire yung trial version
saan po makukuha yung timestopper?tia
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i'm using musicbee now,sounds good and great gui too.di ko na magamit yung jriver everytime i download a trial or other version lumalabas lagi na trial version expired.so di ko din magamit yung time stopper.
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i'm using musicbee now,sounds good and great gui too.di ko na magamit yung jriver everytime i download a trial or other version lumalabas lagi na trial version expired.so di ko din magamit yung time stopper.
nangyari din sakin yan dati nung j river 17. nagamit ko lang ulit nung lumabas yung j river 18. but now i'm liking musicbee more, di harsh like j river
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I like foobar than j river... Nag pa blind test ako sa daugther ko using the two player, same amps,song,dac,amps,same output wasapi event,Pc,speaker. Mas pinili nya foobar. Sa Musicbee over jriver. mas gusto ko ang musicbee, just my 5 cent. Madali lang mag stable ng j river 18. down load ka sa kick asstorrent i down load mo yong my crack, then i dis able mo yong updater nya.Matagal ko ng gamit jriver ko since july last year. wala naman problem. pinalitan ko lang sya ng musicbee ng makita ko sa furum na ito, mas maganda ang sound ng musicbee kumpara sa j river. ako lang ito. Thanks
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I have tried MusicBee.. Maganda din pala, ganda din SQ at mas madaling gamitin kesa sa Dalawa, wala lang remote for IOS :(
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Have you guys tried the updated foobar remote via android? Maganda na siya. It's user friendly.
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can foobar or j river play sacd??
thanx...
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can foobar or j river play sacd??
thanx...
it can as long as you installed neccesary plugins. even dsd files is sipported.
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Have you guys tried the updated foobar remote via android? Maganda na siya. It's user friendly.
matry nga yan kagalang-galang na konsehal nelson. paid pa naman yung app kong ganyan. sulit na sulit for P40.
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can foobar or j river play sacd??
thanx...
There are no SACD drives for PCs. You'd have to get a dedicated SACD transport that may cost many times more than a dedicated player if you plan to use the DSD layer.
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I am using Android Foobar2000 Controller for the pc. When I view an album, the songs are arranged alphabetically. How do I view them by tracks?