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High-Def => General HD Discussion => Topic started by: qguy on Jan 02, 2013 at 07:46 PM
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Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
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If you're 12 feet away, it's good enough. Pero as you get nearer, mashalata mo yun pixels so you would like a higher resolution tv.
Teka, we're talking plasmas and lcds dito...?
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From my experience with my tv (55 inch) from 6ft away. It's extremely hard to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p.
Just sharing
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From my experience with my tv (55 inch) from 6ft away. It's extremely hard to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p.
Just sharing
I'm watching 720p material on my PJ about 92 inches size.. Ok naman sya so far... Or baka wala akong GoldenEye he he he
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Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
kung 720 ang source ok yan.
mahirap mag compare kung iisa ang source at iisa ang tv
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My 720p mkv files look like crap on my 1080p projector. Of course im using a 100in screen.
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My 720p mkv files look like crap on my 1080p projector. Of course im using a 100in screen.
match kasi dapat ang source at screen
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elms and i played 720p on louie's pana via htpc and seems to be good though... sorry ot ako
720p still ok with 42inch ...
if your playing it via htpc or media player check the information of the file kung 720p talaga
meron kasing file na file name 720p pero when you check hindi pala talaga..file name lang sya hehehe
on my 40 sometimes its hard to tell the diff of 1080 sa 720 unless the file is really crap
viewing it at 5-6ft
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Maybe with the player i am using. Ill experiment with vlc
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sa mga nabasa ko 55" below di raw mapapansin ang difference ng 720 and 1080 in a certain distance. ako naman on my 51 plasma 720 lang rin pinapanood ko kasi 720 rin ang native display ng panel. ok naman and ok rin ang 1080 di ko ma differentiate. viewing distance is prolly around 5 - 6ft from the tv.
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Mga sir okay lang ba na vga cable ang gamit ko sa HD movies? Im using 42" lcd with my htpc. Medyo grainy yung display. Or i need to buy hdmi o dvi cable? Thanks
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Mga sir okay lang ba na vga cable ang gamit ko sa HD movies? Im using 42" lcd with my htpc. Medyo grainy yung display. Or i need to buy hdmi o dvi cable? Thanks
I would suggest the HDMI route.
Para hindi ako OT:
for a 42" screen 720p is good enough, will you notice the difference if you play 1080p? my answer is also yes but that will depend on how near you are to the screen.
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Thanks sir sa reply. Bago pa lang kase akong nahuhumaling sa HD movies. And isa pa pong tanong. Ano ba mas magandang unahin. AVR or speaker? Hindi kase kaya ng budget ng sabay hehe. Sensya na po sa mga tanong :)
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Anyway. Puro 720p po pala karamihan ng collection ko. Ang laki kase masyado ng 1080p mauubos agad yung 1TB ko hehe
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Thanks sir sa reply. Bago pa lang kase akong nahuhumaling sa HD movies. And isa pa pong tanong. Ano ba mas magandang unahin. AVR or speaker? Hindi kase kaya ng budget ng sabay hehe. Sensya na po sa mga tanong :)
There is actually a thread here that discusses setting up and I think you would get more replies if you post there, but to get you started, people more often than not build around the speakers.
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sa mga nabasa ko 55" below di raw mapapansin ang difference ng 720 and 1080 in a certain distance. ako naman on my 51 plasma 720 lang rin pinapanood ko kasi 720 rin ang native display ng panel. ok naman and ok rin ang 1080 di ko ma differentiate. viewing distance is prolly around 5 - 6ft from the tv.
Sir, hindi kaya 720p kasi ang tv mo kaya hindi mo ma differentiate or di mo makita ang 1080p resolution?
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Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ? YES
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sa 55.. 1080p tv... still hard to tell for me... napapansin ko minsan.. not as good as 1080p.. but yet again.. meron mga 720p movies.. akala ko 1080p.. ganda kasi..
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sa 55.. 1080p tv... still hard to tell for me... napapansin ko minsan.. not as good as 1080p.. but yet again.. meron mga 720p movies.. akala ko 1080p.. ganda kasi..
so true daming titles na ganito :)
baka wala lang tayong "golden eyes" bro ;D
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Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ?
Yes, IMO it's exactly that.. good enough. Pero kung hindi naman masyado malaki ang difference sa price, I'd go with a Full HD TV.
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For someone with 20/20 vision (1 arcminute spatial resolution) and a 42" screen, the difference between a true 720p panel and a higher res panel should be noticeable from 8 feet and closer (if one knows what to look for).
(http://www.rtings.com/images/resolutions-worth-it-comparison.png)
With 1024 x 768 panels becoming more common: Someone with 20/20 vision should be able to perceive a difference at 10 feet between 1024 x 768 screens and higher res panels.
The difference is more visible with slow-moving text and other high contrast material. With video that has smooth gradations, it is far less perceptible (and even if you see the difference, it may not bother you).
The resolving power of the eye is higher than what most people think. It's just that different people process the visual data differently. It's best to compare for yourself.
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Question is what is your comparison with 720p and 1080p? Is the 1080p you are comparing is a real 108p bluray or just a 1080p encode? If you will notice the encoded 1080p is not real 1080p most of the time encoded 1080p is just 1920 X 800 and so on not 1920 x 1080p. So if you compare the 1080p encoded to the 720p you can't see the difference since most of the time their difference is on size and video bitrate. The encoded 1080p is slightly with higher size and video bitrate. A real 1080 in mkv is the remux one with same video bitrate as the bluray so this should be the one you will compare to a 720p or the bluray disc itself. For example you the total recall 70p to a 1080p encode and real 1080p.
720p
ViDEO BiTRATE...: x264 L4.1 High @ 5409 Kbps
RESOLUTiON......: 1280 X 534
FilE SiZE.......: 5.53GB
1080p Encode
ViDEO BiTRATE...: x264 @ 10352 Kbps
RESOLUTiON......: 1920 X 800
FilE SiZE.......: 10GB
Real 1080p / Bluray
ViDEO BiTRATE...: 19404 kbps
RESOLUTiON......:1920 x 1080
Main Movie Size: 24.5GB
If you can see on the spec above the real 1080p has a bigger size than the 720p 3x the size and the video bitrate. This is also like others like on using cable or on the audio side flac and other that hey can notice the difference but not all can observe the difference. Some don't bother to see the difference as long as they are viewing a high definition not a dvd type movie. So if you play the 1080p encode on a 720p TV you wont it will fit and you can't see any difference because the real resolution of the 1080p encode is bit higher than 720p it 1920 x 800.
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Question is what is your comparison with 720p and 1080p? Is the 1080p you are comparing is a real 108p bluray or just a 1080p encode? If you will notice the encoded 1080p is not real 1080p most of the time encoded 1080p is just 1920 X 800 and so on not 1920 x 1080p. So if you compare the 1080p encoded to the 720p you can't see the difference since most of the time their difference is on size and video bitrate. The encoded 1080p is slightly with higher size and video bitrate. A real 1080 in mkv is the remux one with same video bitrate as the bluray so this should be the one you will compare to a 720p or the bluray disc itself. For example you the total recall 70p to a 1080p encode and real 1080p.
720p
ViDEO BiTRATE...: x264 L4.1 High @ 5409 Kbps
RESOLUTiON......: 1280 X 534
FilE SiZE.......: 5.53GB
1080p Encode
ViDEO BiTRATE...: x264 @ 10352 Kbps
RESOLUTiON......: 1920 X 800
FilE SiZE.......: 10GB
Real 1080p / Bluray
ViDEO BiTRATE...: 19404 kbps
RESOLUTiON......:1920 x 1080
Main Movie Size: 24.5GB
If you can see on the spec above the real 1080p has a bigger size than the 720p 3x the size and the video bitrate. This is also like others like on using cable or on the audio side flac and other that hey can notice the difference but not all can observe the difference. Some don't bother to see the difference as long as they are viewing a high definition not a dvd type movie. So if you play the 1080p encode on a 720p TV you wont it will fit and you can't see any difference because the real resolution of the 1080p encode is bit higher than 720p it 1920 x 800.
1920 x 1080 VS 1920 X 800 ???
AFAIK the removed pixel count (removed 280p?) is the black bars . anong details ba ang nawawala dun sa black bar?
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1920 x 1080 VS 1920 X 800 ???
AFAIK the removed pixel count (removed 280p?) is the black bars . anong details ba ang nawawala dun sa black bar?
alisin mo si blackbars mag stretch si picture ;)
hindi mag 1:1 ang pixel nyan
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alisin mo si blackbars mag stretch si picture ;)
hindi mag 1:1 ang pixel nyan
medyo mali yata pagkaka-sagot ko.
1080p is the whole screen diba.
alam ko gawa nung encoders eh yung blackbar tinatanggal nila, pero pwede parin ma-view with black bars pero mas maliit yung file. but still @ 1080p.
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1920 x 1080 VS 1920 X 800 ???
AFAIK the removed pixel count (removed 280p?) is the black bars . anong details ba ang nawawala dun sa black bar?
here we go again with "fake" 1080p vs. "real" 1080p ;D
alisin mo si blackbars mag stretch si picture ;)
hindi mag 1:1 ang pixel nyan
false.
original aspect ratio still maintained, pixels are still mapped 1:1 even after removal of black bars.
what makes "remux" better than "encodes" is the higher bitrate (no discared information from the original-studio-master-to-blu-ray encoding)
BTT:
higher pixel count is a waste if you're eyes are unable to resolve it. with all things being equal, 720p (screen resolution and/or program material) can be good enough on a 42" screen if you sit far enough. sit too close and you might start to see the limitations of that resolution.
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here we go again with "fake" 1080p vs. "real" 1080p ;D
false.
original aspect ratio still maintained, pixels are still mapped 1:1 even after removal of black bars.
what makes "remux" better than "encodes" is the higher bitrate (no discared information from the original-studio-master-to-blu-ray encoding)
this is what i meant bro
diba discarded ang "black bars" ;D
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medyo mali yata pagkaka-sagot ko.
1080p is the whole screen diba.
alam ko gawa nung encoders eh yung blackbar tinatanggal nila, pero pwede parin ma-view with black bars pero mas maliit yung file. but still @ 1080p.
Nope encoders does not remove black bars. Like CHD and framestor group and if you will see my sample not only resolution is decrease but video bitrate also 720p and 1080p encode. AFAIK when you decrease the video bitrate the PQ detail is affected.
here we go again with "fake" 1080p vs. "real" 1080p ;D
false.
original aspect ratio still maintained, pixels are still mapped 1:1 even after removal of black bars.
what makes "remux" better than "encodes" is the higher bitrate (no discared information from the original-studio-master-to-blu-ray encoding)
BTT:
higher pixel count is a waste if you're eyes are unable to resolve it. with all things being equal, 720p (screen resolution and/or program material) can be good enough on a 42" screen if you sit far enough. sit too close and you might start to see the limitations of that resolution.
+1
Remux is the original video and audio no encode has been done so still the PQ is like bluray. If you will check the video bitrate of the remux and bluray they are the same.
Why they will make such a big file if it will same PQ as the 5GB or 10GB with lesser video bitrate.
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sige na nga, double blind test nalang natin :)
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BTT:
higher pixel count is a waste if you're eyes are unable to resolve it. with all things being equal, 720p (screen resolution and/or program material) can be good enough on a 42" screen if you sit far enough. sit too close and you might start to see the limitations of that resolution.
Its on the eye of the viewer if your don't see the difference good as you are watching the orig bluray. As for me i see the difference as i have 20/20 vision pa din as per last checking of my eyes. ;) ;) ;)
sige na nga, double blind test nalang natin :)
Lols bro yung kasing video bitrate 720p 5409kbps vs 1080p encode 10352kbps vs bluray/remux 1080p 19404kbps ang laki ng difference yan kasi base ang PQ. ;) ;) ;) ;)
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so true daming titles na ganito :)
baka wala lang tayong "golden eyes" bro ;D
I'm watching 720p material on my PJ about 92 inches size.. Ok naman sya so far... Or baka wala akong GoldenEye he he he
hindi ako naniniwala na wala kayong "goldeneye" kasi kahit sa dilim, magagaling kayo pumili ng numero sa aquarium O0
i have tried 720p and 1080p material on a 65" full-hd plasma and i can't see any difference. probably i'll see the difference in resolution if my eyes are a couple of inches away from the tv. but why would i watch movies that way? siguro di lang ako mapili. sabi nga nila, less choosy more happy O0
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pabiling pop corn...haha.....
subscribing...
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720p ok na , i watch 720p sa 47" ok naman, pero pag fast paced action, you'll notice da diff with 720p vs. 1080p.
maganda lang sa 1080p, you can fill in most of your screen and at fast action scenes, mas stable. then again, nasa encoding din nagkakatalo.
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ang ayaw ko na 720p na copy ko ung bourne trilogy...sakit ng bangs ko.....
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diba dati parang may test sa pdvd? ilan members yun? 30 ba? if they can tell if its 1080p media or 720p from a certain distance? nalimot ko na results e.. hehe
parang beer na beer ads noon:D
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pabiling pop corn...haha.....
subscribing...
Mamaya nasa thread na naman natin ang usapan na ito pasimuno si jason. wahaha.
hindi ako naniniwala na wala kayong "goldeneye" kasi kahit sa dilim, magagaling kayo pumili ng numero sa aquarium O0
i have tried 720p and 1080p material on a 65" full-hd plasma and i can't see any difference. probably i'll see the difference in resolution if my eyes are a couple of inches away from the tv. but why would i watch movies that way? siguro di lang ako mapili. sabi nga nila, less choosy more happy O0
Starbucks ba yan master G?
Buti ka pa masaya ka na sa 720p ako kasi di masaya. Sabi ko nga nasa nanonood yan kung choosy or not. wahaha
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So true kapag mabilis po ang action/movement... noticeable ang difference ng 720p sa 1080p.
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Maganda yan A/B test kung 3 locations/positions relative to distance. Masmalapit kasi sa screen, mas-noticeable ang resolution.
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For a 42in, the quality is good enough, satisfied na ako, but if it's a movie that I really like or if I know there's a lot of special effects , I download 1080p if possible.
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720p is enough for 42 inch and below. but if you can afford the 1080p version, i'd go for that for this weird reason - if one of your pixel dies in your 42" 1080p panel, it's less distracting cuz the pixel is smaller compared to the 720p variant.
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i have tried 720p and 1080p material on a 65" full-hd plasma and i can't see any difference. probably i'll see the difference in resolution if my eyes are a couple of inches away from the tv. but why would i watch movies that way? siguro di lang ako mapili. sabi nga nila, less choosy more happy O0
I can attest malayo ang difference ng 720p and 1080p sa 100" screen.
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Maganda yan A/B test kung 3 locations/positions relative to distance. Masmalapit kasi sa screen, mas-noticeable ang resolution.
double blind dapat fluffy para walang achoochoo.
mahirap puro numbers lang kasi basehan, anhin mo ba ang bitrate kung mas maganda ang encode :D
Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ? YES
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IMHO, some of this is psychological, knowing that the file has high bitrate, good encode etc. etc. makes the mind see things.
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double blind dapat fluffy para walang achoochoo.
mahirap puro numbers lang kasi basehan, anhin mo ba ang bitrate kung mas maganda ang encode :D
Pano naging mas maganda ang encode kung ang source nung encode is yung sa source din na mas mataas ang bitrate. Parang sinabi mo na mas maganda ang encode sa bluray. AFAIK i have tested good encode from trusted encoders but still i can see the difference of bluray from those encode. ;) ;) ;)
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di mo nanaman ako naintindihan elmer eh.
baka mabalik tayo sa usapan laptop nyan ;D
seriously though ang ibig ko sabihin, source vs. "untouched" vs. a very good encoded file with smaller size
without knowing which one is playing, are you sure and willing to subject yourself sa double blind test? and if in case you fail, titigilan na ba natin pag usapan yan at i-download yan mga untouched na yan, except for porns? :P :P
IIRC meron na nga shootout nito dati, which also involves media players. they know there's a difference but could not tell which one is better or which one is being played by the more expensive player.
ON TOPIC:
Is 720P good enough for a 42 inch screen ? YES
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di mo nanaman ako naintindihan elmer eh.
baka mabalik tayo sa usapan laptop nyan ;D
seriously though ang ibig ko sabihin, source vs. "untouched" vs. a very good encoded file with smaller size
without knowing which one is playing, are you sure and willing to subject yourself sa double blind test? and if in case you fail, titigilan na ba natin pag usapan yan at i-download yan mga untouched na yan, except for porns? :P :P
IIRC meron na nga shootout nito dati, which also involves media players. they know there's a difference but could not tell which one is better or which one is being played by the more expensive player.
ON TOPIC:
Sabi mo eh. :-X :-X
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anyare? :D
off topic, ano nangyare sa gallery mo?
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anyare? :D
off topic, ano nangyare sa gallery mo?
:-X :-X
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IMHO, some of this is psychological, knowing that the file has high bitrate, good encode etc. etc. makes the mind see things.
Totally agree... ;D
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I totally disagree. Anything under 4k res for 42" is trash. O0
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I totally disagree. Anything under 4k res for 42" is trash. O0
hehehe what tv did you demo bro? :)
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hehehe what tv did you demo bro? :)
Just foolin around hehe. The only 4k I've seen in the flesh is the Sony 84" one.
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Just foolin around hehe. The only 4k I've seen in the flesh is the Sony 84" one.
hahaha im sure that was a thing of beauty! ;D
masyadong mabilis ang panahon ngayon, phone ko nga 720p @ 4.3" pero pwede parin SD content :P
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What's the meaning of the title?
720p as in "720p resolution panel" or 720p as in "720p encode"?
If the question is regarding the panel itself, then 720p at 42 inch should be enough if you dont mind seeing the pixel structure, or if you sit far enough - from around 2-meters away or farther. But during the past 3 years or so, major CE makers have stopped any significant improvements on 720p panels, thus, napag-iwanan na ng panahon and technology.
If the question is regarding the quality of encode compared to the source, based on my observation among PDVD friends, there is a good percentage of people who like having nearly 300 titles in a single 2TB, but there is also a good amount of people who'd rather have around 150 titles in a single 2TB, and finally, there are some who would prefer to have barely 50 Full BD rips within the same 2TB. Since all of those people seem happy, that means whether 720p or 1080p or Full BD - No Problem La - basta maganda ang encode and more importantly, maganda ang titles. Yeah, although I personally prefer to watch Full BDs, I'd say 720p encode for a 42 inch (or even 50) is enough. Maski nga WEB DL quality, very tolerable pa rin basta maganda ang HDTV.
Some people claim to see the difference in resolution between a 720p encode and a 1080p encode? Really? Sabi nga ni Pugo, Dasalasanansens! - IMO! hehehe. A brilliantly encoded 720p only needs to be magnified 2x in order to fit a 1080p screen. If the quality of a 720p encode is decent enough, that much magnification would not deteriorate the image quality to the point that it becomes crap and completely distinguishable from a 1080p encode - ESPECIALLY, if you have a very very very very very very very very very good HDTV.
In my observation, the discernible differences between a 720p encode and 1080p encode are as follows:
1. Color saturation - lowering the bitrate makes the color "less rich". But then, if you don't have the master Bluray source playing on the side, how can you establish a reference? And also, there are Blurays which have generally dull, or dark colors, that even the master look kinda crap. On the other hand, there are also contents which are extremely colorful that no matter how much an encode gets compressed, remains colorful enough.
2. Compression artifacts - blocky parts, all sorts of blemishes, jagged edges here and there which are easily visible in monotonously bright areas of the image or at the edges.
3. 720p encodes would generally have less grain, thus fakely cleaned image - because grain requires a lot of bitrate. If the source is too grainy and the encoder wants to remain transparent to such graininess, he must increase the bitrate as much as he could - thus resulting in a bigger filesize.
The main objective of prime (internal) encoding groups is to remain as transparent to the source (colors, grains, sharpness, image cleanliness, etc.) as reasonably possible and as they technically can, by manually manipulating the detailed encoding settings of the X264. I understand that a "good" 720p encode takes at least 72 hours of non-stop encoding, while those fast scene/public releases under automated encoding settings can easily finish in hours. Hence, a brilliant 720p encode is soooo much more challenging to make than a 1080p one, while a Remux is the easiest.
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If the viewing distance is right.. you won't notice any difference between a 720p and 1080p on a 42 inch tv
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If the viewing distance is right.. you won't notice any difference between a 720p and 1080p on a 42 inch tv
baliktad ata sir ???
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baliktad ata sir ???
baka what he meant was if you are viewing it from a far enough distance, you won't notice the difference. for instance, i tried to DL very small file sizes na 720p and viewed it from more than 6 feet away on my 42" tv, and kung titingnan sa malayo, medjo ok. pag nilapitan, kitang kita isang katutak na compression artifacts
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Usually kaya panget ang 720p files na jack sparrows kaysa 1080p file na jack sparrows din dahil yung mismong source na ginamit hindi rin maganda ang pagkakapost-process. O0
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What's the meaning of the title?
720p as in "720p resolution panel" or 720p as in "720p encode"?
Sabi ko sa yo sir, pag malabo ang tanong, dapat malabo rin ang sagot...
Nakakatuwa naman si sir qguy. Nagbukas ng thread, ang post ay 1 sentence lang na pareho rin ng title, tapos hindi na nagpakita uli... :D
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totoo bang may super golden eye? yung matalas talaga mata? kaya malaman ng nanunuod kung 1080p bluray or 1080p encode? some even claim na alam nila mas maganda ang kinakalabasan na graphics sa certain video card brands compared sa certain video cards?
meron kasi guy sa ripley's believe it or not... na nafeature
kaya niya malaman kung anong model ng sasakyan by just hearing the sound of the door pag nagsasara...
i mean... thats super golden ears diba and sounds impossible...
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Genius encoders themselves require side by side screenshots with the Bluray source in order to gauge the quality of their masterful encode. Take note, "screenshots" meaning (frozen) frame grabs from the moving image, then micro-analyzed (zoomed, etc.). So paano na kung moving image to moving image ang comparison.,
Ang possibleng makita kahit walang reference ay compression artifacts.
And yun crappy "BDRips" are encoded from encode (to save on filesize) and not from bluray source - kaya yun na nga ang quality. Kung baga sa coconut, pangalawa or pangatlong piga ng gata ;)
totoo bang may super golden eye? yung matalas talaga mata? kaya malaman ng nanunuod kung 1080p bluray or 1080p encode? some even claim na alam nila mas maganda ang kinakalabasan na graphics sa certain video card brands compared sa certain video cards?
meron kasi guy sa ripley's believe it or not... na nafeature
kaya niya malaman kung anong model ng sasakyan by just hearing the sound of the door pag nagsasara...
i mean... thats super golden ears diba and sounds impossible...
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totoo bang may super golden eye? yung matalas talaga mata? kaya malaman ng nanunuod kung 1080p bluray or 1080p encode? some even claim na alam nila mas maganda ang kinakalabasan na graphics sa certain video card brands compared sa certain video cards?
Kung claim lang, tiyak na meron yon. Madali lang naman mag-claim na may golden eye, ear, nose, tongue, touch.
5 senses pa lang yon. Gusto mo 6th sense pa, sangkatutak na claim din.
Pero kung ang usapan ay papasa ba sila sa rigorous scientific testing, patay na. Now that's a different story... O0
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It's more about bitrate. I've seen 720p encodes that looked so much better than 1080p material because the former had an almost equal or higher bitrate. There are 1080p encodes with only 1.5GB file size and the same title in a 720p encode but with 4.5GB file looked better. Then again, the encoding also matters. So far, I've noticed that H.264 encodes are the best for a given resolution.
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if 720p vs 1080p encode ay wala maxadong difference, is it the same also sa 720p vs 1080p panel na wala maxdo differnce? or ibang usapan na :-)
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Sabi ko sa yo sir, pag malabo ang tanong, dapat malabo rin ang sagot...
Nakakatuwa naman si sir qguy. Nagbukas ng thread, ang post ay 1 sentence lang na pareho rin ng title, tapos hindi na nagpakita uli... :D
naparami lang ng redwine yan bro ;D
seriously though lahat yata ng pwede isagot nasagot narin dito ;D
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if 720p vs 1080p encode ay wala maxadong difference, is it the same also sa 720p vs 1080p panel na wala maxdo differnce? or ibang usapan na :-)
kung gaano kagulo ang usapan sa source ganun din kagulo usapan sa screen
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kung gaano pinagugulo ang usapan sa source ganun rin pinagugulo ang usapan sa screen ^-^
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kaya dapat may blind testing :D
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kaya dapat may blind testing :D
feb 2 daw ;)
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(http://www.rtings.com/images/resolutions-worth-it-comparison.png)
Nice graph. A little OT but this shows that the higher the resolution, the closer your viewing distance to the screen can be.
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720p at Actual Size
720p at Fit To Screen Size
1080p at Actual Size
Full BD at Actual Size
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Whats the size of the monitor ? 40 inch?
Thank for the awesome photos.. hopefully somebody does this for 46 inch screens and larger so we can see at what size 1080p matters. Sayang din ang space sa HD hehehe
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720p at Actual Size
720p at Fit To Screen Size
1080p at Actual Size
Full BD at Actual Size
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8375/8389645500_127895d969_z.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8356/8388558545_693865e158_z.jpg)
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8354/8388558443_3abd867001_z.jpg)
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That's a 50-inch plasma. 50V2.
Depends on the encoding group. HiDt (~7900 kbps bitrate for that sample pic) and HDManiacs (~17500 kbps for that sample pic) as shown on the pics are arguably the best encoders right now. That Bluray master source has about ~27500 kbps bitrate.
Whats the size of the monitor ? 40 inch?
Thank for the awesome photos.. hopefully somebody does this for 46 inch screens and larger so we can see at what size 1080p matters. Sayang din ang space sa HD hehehe
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kung SD (standard definition) to HD (720P) lang ang media mo, okay na yan! :)
pero kung 1080P ang media mo tapos sa 720P (or lower res) display mo ipapalabas, pangit ang magiging resulta. ;)
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Patingin?
I've got some good PDVD friends who use 42-inch 720p Plasmas and I dont hear anything negative about the quality of 1080p contents displayed on their screen. In fact, what they told me was that for the most part, they simply couldn't tell the difference between a 720p and 1080p - and they like HiDt-level quality. ;)
kung SD (standard definition) to HD (720P) lang ang media mo, okay na yan! :)
pero kung 1080P ang media mo tapos sa 720P (or lower res) display mo ipapalabas, pangit ang magiging resulta. ;)
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eto dapat title
IS 720P good enough for 42inch FULL HD DISPLAY?
ung mga hd ready lang na TV na 42 inch - ung mga vierra na nakita ko sa LIS
noticable kahit 1080p ung source
pero ung mga full HD TV na 42inch + good encoded 720p pwede na...
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Web DL 1080p (actual size) - low bitrate, kinda soft, compression artifacts, cleaned film grains but even at 50 inch plasma, puede pa rin
Internally encoded 1080p (actual size)
Internally encoded 720 (fit to screen)
Blu-Ray Source
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there are noticable differences with the 720p and the Bluray source but IMO this may only be noticed if its a still shot. The color is almost identical and so is the detail. maybe on a bigger screen (70" or larger maybe?) it will be more obvious but on a 42"...most probably not.
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there are noticable differences with the 720p and the Bluray source but IMO this may only be noticed if its a still shot. The color is almost identical and so is the detail. maybe on a bigger screen (70" or larger maybe?) it will be more obvious but on a 42"...most probably not.
Sabi nga ni jammy blind test kayo. Basta ako may noticeble yan not for the whole movie but some scene on the movie. ahahha
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Sabi nga ni jammy blind test kayo. Basta ako may noticeble yan not for the whole movie but some scene on the movie. ahahha
kung may noticable dapat sa buong movie mo mapansin kasi lahat nagbago bro, hindi naman selected frames lang ang binago diba? ( IMAX filming is a different argument though). Pero sabi nga nila, if thats what you believe and think you see then thats up to you.
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dapat yata yung ibliblindtest is people who believe.. they can distinguish 720 vs 1080p... kasi ako admittedly talaga... hard to tell...
4k is coming ilan gig ba isang 4k movie? hehe does that mean.. kukulangin na ang bluray disk for a 4k movie? new format again???
napanood ko ko sa ces reviewers.. dahil wala pang media.. sony daw... pag bumili ka tv.. they will also give you a pc preloaded with 10 4k movies.. hehe $20k for the 84"
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dapat yata yung ibliblindtest is people who believe.. they can distinguish 720 vs 1080p... kasi ako admittedly talaga... hard to tell...
4k is coming ilan gig ba isang 4k movie? hehe does that mean.. kukulangin na ang bluray disk for a 4k movie? new format again???
napanood ko ko sa ces reviewers.. dahil wala pang media.. sony daw... pag bumili ka tv.. they will also give you a pc preloaded with 10 4k movies.. hehe $20k for the 84"
4k resolution still on bluray disk
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4k resolution still on bluray disk
buti kasya sa isang bluray...or is this like LOTR extended na 2 disks for one movie. :) (parang old school VCD's lang ah!)
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buti kasya sa isang bluray...or is this like LOTR extended na 2 disks for one movie. :) (parang old school VCD's lang ah!)
The "4K" bluray discs in CES are just 4K mastered 1080p Blurays. To follow pa ang 4K physical media and online distribution ng Sony. Well according to Sony ilang months na lang may online distribution na.
napanood ko ko sa ces reviewers.. dahil wala pang media.. sony daw... pag bumili ka tv.. they will also give you a pc preloaded with 10 4k movies.. hehe $20k for the 84"
Yup, yung HDD-based Ultra HD Player nila. :)
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gawa sila bluray discs kasing laki ng laserdisc:D hehe
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gawa sila bluray discs kasing laki ng laserdisc:D hehe
mukang hindi maganda ang look ng isang BD na sing laki ng LD
lossless content in a portable bag is more appealing ^-^
madali lang naman dagdagan ng layer ang BD to accommodate large file size just like hard drive 500gb into 2tera which is 4x500gb :-\
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gawa sila bluray discs kasing laki ng laserdisc:D hehe
Hehehe. If they can double the capacity of BD without inflating the cost substantially, pwede na yun. HEVC can do the rest. :)
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dapat yata yung ibliblindtest is people who believe.. they can distinguish 720 vs 1080p... kasi ako admittedly talaga... hard to tell...
tama na yan blind test na yan at baka may magtampo nanaman sakin >:D >:D
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I also think that noticeable ang difference between a 720p and the Blu-Ray source, especially in terms of color. But if the question is whether "enough" or not for a 42 inch TV...enough, maski 50 enough. Masayang-masaya lang na nakikita kong umiilaw yung blue indication ng HD-audiostream sa AVR and that my media player actually plays like a real Blu-Ray player...hehehe
Kapag 3D, kitang-kita ang difference sa subs.
Sabi ng Wife ko, pinakamalaking difference daw with the Blu-Ray source is if it's a Blu-Ray concert (other than the blue indication on the AVR). Other PDVD friends told me the same thing about concerts. The past 3 nights, I watched the old 80s Beverly Hills 1-3 Blurays all with DTS-HDMA with lots of 80s funky songs, and ang ganda nga ng tunog - that is, ang daming nuance na tunog sa mga surround speakers - and Eddie Murphy was exceptionally hilarious during those times. hehehe
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buti kasya sa isang bluray...or is this like LOTR extended na 2 disks for one movie. :) (parang old school VCD's lang ah!)
i think 4k would have to be at least 100gb per movie. hehe. i mean it's 4 times 1080p so ganun siguro expected file size. Kayang kaya pa ng blu ray medium. so far may RW na 128gb na blu ray. BDXL, if I recall correctly. I think they can still add more than just dual layers sa BD so pwede pa talaga mapalaki storage capacity
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tama na yan blind test na yan at baka may magtampo nanaman sakin >:D >:D
Hahaha, ok lang naman kasi ang may disagreement, basta dapat may support ang claim.
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Pwede kaya ang DVD na upscaled from 480i to 720p? Ano kaya ang kalalabasan nun?
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Pwede kaya ang DVD na upscaled from 480i to 720p? Ano kaya ang kalalabasan nun?
AFAIK, ginagawa ito ng mga media players.
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Same same as watching Standard Def Skycable sa HDTV?
Pwede kaya ang DVD na upscaled from 480i to 720p? Ano kaya ang kalalabasan nun?
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i think 4k would have to be at least 100gb per movie. hehe. i mean it's 4 times 1080p so ganun siguro expected file size. Kayang kaya pa ng blu ray medium. so far may RW na 128gb na blu ray. BDXL, if I recall correctly. I think they can still add more than just dual layers sa BD so pwede pa talaga mapalaki storage capacity
With HEVC, 50GB (dual-layer BD) may be good enough. Per pixel quality may be comparable to single-layer BD discs at 1080P using AVC. I wish they start using Deep Color too.
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A 100GB 4K content might discourage ripping (for a while). No ripping, no source, no encode. ;). Therefore, 1080p (source) is enough. ;). Or maski 4K remaster of 1080p Blu-Rays. Look how gorgeous the remastered Titanic is.
Sorry OT.
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A 100GB 4K content might discourage ripping (for a while). No ripping, no source, no encode. ;). Therefore, 1080p (source) is enough. ;). Or maski 4K remaster of 1080p Blu-Rays. Look how gorgeous the remastered Titanic is.
Sorry OT.
haha good luck talaga ripping a 100gb file.
OT pa din:
did you notice that there was one scene where the quality of the PQ degraded? Nagkaroon ng soft PQ. forgot which part. Sheesh. haha but overall, great PQ. Wasn't the Alien movie also a 4k remaster?
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Hahaha, ok lang naman kasi ang may disagreement, basta dapat may support ang claim.
this is what i have in mind when i ask our friend for a blind test :)
I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY IF I AM PROVEN WRONG, why? Because we spend a LOT of money for prime disk (bluray or hdd) space tapos wala lang pala :)
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this is what i have in mind when i ask our friend for a blind test :)
I WOULD BE VERY HAPPY IF I AM PROVEN WRONG, why? Because we spend a LOT of money for prime disk (bluray or hdd) space tapos wala lang pala :)
Im huge believer kasi of intellectual property rights kaya i try to stay away from downloads,although i do believe that the disks cost too much kaya rin sila prone to piracy. Kung paysite galing yung d/l then i wouldnt mind that.
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Im huge believer kasi of intellectual property rights kaya i try to stay away from downloads,although i do believe that the disks cost too much kaya rin sila prone to piracy. Kung paysite galing yung d/l then i wouldnt mind that.
OT: dito lang naman sa atin mahal yan mga yan bro. do you think if we were abroad, marami parin gagawa nyan? pm ko nalang iba info hehehe baka basain tayo redwine ni qguy! :)
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Si jammy daw ang mag host ng blind test. Puwede ba blind test sa crt 14 inch?
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Si jammy daw ang mag host ng blind test. Puwede ba blind test sa crt 14 inch?
loko !! tumatawag ako suplada ka nanaman. di naman ako nauna sa blind test ah!
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ayan na naman yung magkuya ;D
sorry ot.
kelan ba yang blindtest ng matigil na yang comparison na yan?
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ayan na naman yung magkuya ;D
sorry ot.
kelan ba yang blindtest ng matigil na yang comparison na yan?
maganda gawin ito sa mga calibrated displays e.g. streetsmarts HT
pati hd audio vs compressed maririnig mo difference, problema lang di mo malaman kung ano mas maganda sa dalawa most of the time ;D
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Natawa ako dito, I got my answers na from the previous post.
OT allowed or basaan na lang ng Redwine :)
OT: dito lang naman sa atin mahal yan mga yan bro. do you think if we were abroad, marami parin gagawa nyan? pm ko nalang iba info hehehe baka basain tayo redwine ni qguy! :)
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Natawa ako dito, I got my answers na from the previous post.
OT allowed or basaan na lang ng Redwine :)
hahaha ayun naman pala :)
so what was your verdict bro? :)
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First Verdict : Based on the responses, I can live with the 720p. But this just came up, HD space is so darn cheap right now, it makes no sense to skimp on the source, might as well go for 1080p, gives you the advantage of being close to the screen.
Second Verdict : Based on the last Christmas Party, di ako nalalasing sa Beer and Mountain Dew
hahaha ayun naman pala :)
so what was your verdict bro? :)
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HDD space relates to the content and has nothing to do with the HDTV. However, being closer to the screen relates to the HDTV resolution itself and practically nothing to do with the content (in 720p or 1080p or Full BD).
What?
First Verdict : Based on the responses, I can live with the 720p. But this just came up, HD space is so darn cheap right now, it makes no sense to skimp on the source, might as well go for 1080p, gives you the advantage of being close to the screen.
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diba generally 1080p consumes more HD space than its 720p counterpart ?
HDD space relates to the content and has nothing to do with the HDTV. However, being closer to the screen relates to the HDTV resolution itself and practically nothing to do with the content (in 720p or 1080p or Full BD).
What?
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Yes, properly encoded 1080p should be bigger than properly encoded 720p in terms of filesize. But what's that got to do with giving the advantage of being closer to the screen?
diba generally 1080p consumes more HD space than its 720p counterpart ?
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Yes, properly encoded 1080p should be bigger than properly encoded 720p in terms of filesize. But what's that got to do with giving the advantage of being closer to the screen?
viewing distance siguro ibig sabihin. with 1080 you can be closer to the screen than 720p
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Second Verdict : Based on the last Christmas Party, di ako nalalasing sa Beer and Mountain Dew
So ano dapat bro ang ininom mo? >:D >:D >:D
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1080p content vs 720p content? Why?
Baka 1080p panel vs 720p panel?
Magagalit sa atin si Barrister. We are not on the same frequency. Hehehe
viewing distance siguro ibig sabihin. with 1080 you can be closer to the screen than 720p
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1080p content vs 720p content? Why?
Baka 1080p panel vs 720p panel?
Magagalit sa atin si Barrister. We are not on the same frequency. Hehehe
exactly, panel nga. onga source pala sabi ni qguy. didn't notice right away. haha
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First Verdict : Based on the responses, I can live with the 720p. But this just came up, HD space is so darn cheap right now, it makes no sense to skimp on the source, might as well go for 1080p, gives you the advantage of being close to the screen.
if you're compiling or storing movies, then file size would matter kung paubos na ang disk space mo. hehe! Ganayn din ako whenever i have a new HDD. Pero kapag nangangalahati na, pinipili ko na lang yun magagandang movies that would look best on 1080p. But kung drama lang, 720p ako.
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Si jammy daw ang mag host ng blind test. Puwede ba blind test sa crt 14 inch?
sana may bonus blind test.. huhulaan ng member kung intel or amd ang gamit sa pag play ng video.. hehe :D
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sana may bonus blind test.. huhulaan ng member kung intel or amd ang gamit sa pag play ng video.. hehe :D
nvidia or ati? fanboy war yan
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nvidia or ati? fanboy war yan
hihihi..un ung mga hindi makatangap na maganda ang PQ ng ATI vs nvidia...
sa ganyan hindi naman pwede blind test ... side by side comparison...
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Is SD good enough for a 50-inch screen?
SD at Actual Size - Very Clear ne! Looks like high def but kinda like tunnel vision ;D
SD Fit To Screen at 50 inch - You be the judge ;)
The world's most hideous cheat in 720p just for reference.
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(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8463/8408672960_de5fd70e6b_z.jpg)
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hihihi..un ung mga hindi makatangap na maganda ang PQ ng ATI vs nvidia...
sa ganyan hindi naman pwede blind test ... side by side comparison...
Mukang ATI fanboy ka ah... ;D
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sana may bonus blind test.. huhulaan ng member kung intel or amd ang gamit sa pag play ng video.. hehe :D
Hahaha pati ba naman dito meron ka pa din hirit na ganyan. Di maka get over? ;) ;) ;)
Is SD good enough for a 50-inch screen?
SD at Actual Size - Very Clear ne! Looks like high def but kinda like tunnel vision ;D
SD Fit To Screen at 50 inch - You be the judge ;)
The world's most hideous cheat in 720p just for reference.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8326/8408673250_dbfb3ff265_z.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8463/8408672960_de5fd70e6b_z.jpg)
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8090/8407577285_04106e5035_z.jpg)
Looking on the picture yah malinaw siya upscaled but not that detailed. ;) ;) ;)
nvidia or ati? fanboy war yan
Fanboy whos the fanboy then?
hihihi..un ung mga hindi makatangap na maganda ang PQ ng ATI vs nvidia...
sa ganyan hindi naman pwede blind test ... side by side comparison...
Bulagin ko na lang ikaw para blind test talaga. >:D >:D >:D
loko !! tumatawag ako suplada ka nanaman. di naman ako nauna sa blind test ah!
Di ako nag sabi ng blind test sa una ewan ko ba. Sama mo na din daw bonus intel vs amd meron ka ba? >:D >:D
maganda gawin ito sa mga calibrated displays e.g. streetsmarts HT
pati hd audio vs compressed maririnig mo difference, problema lang di mo malaman kung ano mas maganda sa dalawa most of the time ;D
Maganda din gawin sa abot kaya na setup kasi di namin kaya ung setup ni sir mark. Dapat blind test sa kaya ng nakakadami. hahaha
ayan na naman yung magkuya ;D
sorry ot.
kelan ba yang blindtest ng matigil na yang comparison na yan?
Wag ka mgulo kabute baka ulamin ka namin. hihi
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magulo na usapan sa source at panel dagdagan pa ng video card or player naku naloko na
sir ayns pwede pa open ulit ng problem with some member thread ;D
joke
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magulo na usapan sa source at panel dagdagan pa ng video card or player naku naloko na
sir ayns pwede pa open ulit ng problem with some member thread ;D
joke
Sakto ikaw ang una ko rereklamo dun.. hahahaha
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Sakto ikaw ang una ko rereklamo dun.. hahahaha
personally kasi feel ko same lang... pero hehe ikaw nagclaim.. amd better video.. hehe..
sir... wag niyo po masamain.. hindi po hirit yan...
challenge yan.. if you can really point out which is amd which is intel... best of 5 or 10 para... medyo maganda ang data... hehe
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personally kasi feel ko same lang... pero hehe ikaw nagclaim.. amd better video.. hehe..
sir... wag niyo po masamain.. hindi po hirit yan...
challenge yan.. if you can really point out which is amd which is intel... best of 5 or 10 para... medyo maganda ang data... hehe
di ko naman minasama... hahaha sa kabilang thread un tapos dinala dito.. Its that big deal to you? hihi
Natawa lang ako... hahaha
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For me, the difference is psychological/mental/whatever- knowing you have a 1080p will seem like your brain is convincing your eyes are actually seeing better images.
But if two sets (both 42 inches) where one is 720p and one is 1080p are used to play the same material that is 1080p and shown to ordinary joes and you tell them that the 720p one is the 1080p and vice versa, chances are they'll tell you they are seeing better images in the 720p set.
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Magkatabing-magkatabing identical 42 inch 1080p sets playing 720p and 1080p encode of the same content and at the same settings - there is a fair chance na malalaman mo which one is the 1080p. I think. Kaso sinong may ganitong set-up sa bahay? ;D
So ano pa rin ang meaning ng thread title? ;D. WAKARANAI! ;D
But if two sets (both 42 inches) where one is 720p and one is 1080p are used to play the same material that is 1080p and shown to ordinary joes and you tell them that the 720p one is the 1080p and vice versa, chances are they'll tell you they are seeing better images in the 720p set.
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Pagtabihin mo yung 720p na 10gb file versus a 1080p with a 1.5GB file of the same movie, which would look better on a 42-inch 3 ft away?
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of course yung 10GB. Just look at the sample pics ng low bitrate Taken 2 1080p Web DL vs proper 720p encoded Taken 2 na 7.3GB. Encode of an encode vs encode of a Bluray master source - Thats not fair.
Pagtabihin mo yung 720p na 10gb file versus a 1080p with a 1.5GB file of the same movie, which would look better on a 42-inch 3 ft away?
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In short, it's the file size and the bitrate that matter more than pixel resolution for a content.
But can you distinguish a 30GB bluray file from a 10GB MKV 720p file of the same title on a 42-inch 3ft away?
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Basta side by side, Bluray vs 720p is easy. You need to have a reference still because some movies really look absolutely astonishing, while there are those that look very crappy even on the original Blu-Ray.
Or, by simply looking at the subtitles...very very easy to distinguish the PGS subs of Bluray ;D
However, meron talagang magagaling na encoders even at 720p. HiDt for instance - Grabe sa galing! Pero meron din magagaling na 1080p encoders. So if there is really a side by side set-up, - all things even except for the resolution, I certainly think there is a fair chance to distinguish between 1080p and 720p encodes.
In short, it's the file size and the bitrate that matter more than pixel resolution for a content.
But can you distinguish a 30GB bluray file from a 10GB MKV 720p file of the same title on a 42-inch 3ft away?
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So if there is really a side by side set-up, - all things even except for the resolution, I certainly think there is a fair chance to distinguish between 1080p and 720p encodes.
You can detect but also depending on viewing distance and screen size.
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I was watching Dredd yesterday in 720p and I feel that it was so easy to see how fake the CGI on movie were, like the blood splatter, gunfire etc. That's using 720p, what more if it's going to be 1080p on a large screen? I think sometimes having a better resolution doesn't really make you enjoy the movie more.
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I think sometimes having a better resolution doesn't really make you enjoy the movie more.
Yeah yung mga "special" stars, sa PC ko ang kikinis, sa high resolution kita mo lahat ng diperensya
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Yeah yung mga "special" stars, sa PC ko ang kikinis, sa high resolution kita mo lahat ng diperensya
That's what you call overdone sharpening... ;D
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Yeah yung mga "special" stars, sa PC ko ang kikinis, sa high resolution kita mo lahat ng diperensya
That's why many people don't like to watch porn in HD. ;D
The porn actresses also. They can no longer hide their age with their skin lines, creases and folds in HD.
Same with Hollywood celebs. Very few look good on HD like Catherine Zeta Jones with her flawless skin. Cameron Diaz, Julia Roberts and Britney Spears look terrible on HD close-ups. HD shows their skin without mercy.
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That's why many people don't like to watch porn in HD.
Yah but if the star is pretty its better to watch in 1080p mostlikely bluray..
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Yah but if the star is pretty its better to watch in 1080p mostlikely bluray..
If they're young and Japanese.
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WARNING: scientific opinions here are based on what you need, not on what you like or what your neighbor says is a better option, and I am limiting this to normal persons, you know... yung walang magnifying glass
aysusmariajosep daming noobs!!!
the most important factor in determining if you should go for 720p vs 1080p on a 42" TV is distance from your viewing position.
42" 720p = 8feet
42" 1080p = 5feet
if you are at the above viewing distance, you wont see pixelation.
Q: So how does the statement about BlueRay vs 720 works?
A: At 8ft you wont notice which is which, but go close to 5ft and you can easily differentiate 720p
Q: I want 42" for my sala, do I go for 720p or 1080p?
A1: If you are poor (as in mahirap ka), chances are, you have a small living room, you need to sit closer to the TV, so definitely a 1080p for you.
A2: Kung mayaman ka like me, you can sit at comfy 10' away from TV, you only need 720p
A3: If you have a really rich dad, !@#$ka bakit ka mag po portitu
Q: I want 42" for my bedroom, do I go for 720p or 1080p?
A1: Depende sa edad mo, if you are old (40s+), you need 1080p because you tend to sit closer to the TV, your pea-sized brain will tell you to get closer (as a natural reflex) pero ang totoo eye fatigue yun dala ng katandaan. Closer to TV = 1080p.
A2: If you are younger, yuppy, nagsisimula pa lang, dukha, you need 720p, chances are you are more interested in your bedroom action hence lie on a bed with TV far from the edge of the bed. Far from TV = details converge = 720p
Q: Now to answer the all important question do I need 1080p to watch HD porn?
A: No brainer, absolutely YES! porn is something you'd rather watch up close and personal (as in 1.5' from screen) because you want to feel the action
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If they're young and Japanese.
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WARNING: scientific opinions here are based on what you need, not on what you like or what your neighbor says is a better option, and I am limiting this to normal persons, you know... yung walang magnifying glass
aysusmariajosep daming noobs!!!
the most important factor in determining if you should go for 720p vs 1080p on a 42" TV is distance from your viewing position.
42" 720p = 8feet
42" 1080p = 5feet
if you are at the above viewing distance, you wont see pixelation.
Q: So how does the statement about BlueRay vs 720 works?
A: At 8ft you wont notice which is which, but go close to 5ft and you can easily differentiate 720p
Q: I want 42" for my sala, do I go for 720p or 1080p?
A1: If you are poor (as in mahirap ka), chances are, you have a small living room, you need to sit closer to the TV, so definitely a 1080p for you.
A2: Kung mayaman ka like me, you can sit at comfy 10' away from TV, you only need 720p
A3: If you have a really rich dad, !@#$ka bakit ka mag po portitu
Q: I want 42" for my bedroom, do I go for 720p or 1080p?
A1: Depende sa edad mo, if you are old (40s+), you need 1080p because you tend to sit closer to the TV, your pea-sized brain will tell you to get closer (as a natural reflex) pero ang totoo eye fatigue yun dala ng katandaan. Closer to TV = 1080p.
A2: If you are younger, yuppy, nagsisimula pa lang, dukha, you need 720p, chances are you are more interested in your bedroom action hence lie on a bed with TV far from the edge of the bed. Far from TV = details converge = 720p
Q: Now to answer the all important question do I need 1080p to watch HD porn?
A: No brainer, absolutely YES! porn is something you'd rather watch up close and personal (as in 1.5' from screen) because you want to feel the action
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sir, nasan na po yung scientific explanation dito? love that michelle jenneke avatar by the way O0
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sabi nya based on Scientific explanation and not this is the scientific explanation
btw love that michelle jenneke avatar by the way
sir, nasan na po yung scientific explanation dito? love that michelle jenneke avatar by the way O0
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sabi nya based on Scientific explanation and not this is the scientific explanation
btw love that michelle jenneke avatar by the way
hehehe yang sayaw ni michelle jenneke ang magandang panoorin sa 1080p. ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMgmYutL9W0
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hehehe yang sayaw ni michelle jenneke ang magandang panoorin sa 1080p. ;D
Mas maganda pag more than sa sayaw niya in bluray. hahaha
OT na tayo....
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Mas maganda pag more than sa sayaw niya in bluray. hahaha
OT na tayo....
i would suggest you invite Sir AC on your EB this Feb so we can do that blind test among others. for the spirit of camaraderie na din :) para lahat enjoy sa 720p japanese art ;D
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i would suggest you invite Sir AC on your EB this Feb so we can do that blind test among others. for the spirit of camaraderie na din :) para lahat enjoy sa 720p japanese art ;D
Ung unang eb hindi sa akin un kay louie. haha
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ganda ng explanation ni lisa mae:
pag dukha, 1080p kasi maliit ang sala
pag rich, 720p
dapat pala 4k ang bilhin ko kasi maralitang nagdarahop kami.
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ganda ng explanation ni lisa mae:
pag dukha, 1080p kasi maliit ang sala
pag rich, 720p
dapat pala 4k ang bilhin ko kasi maralitang nagdarahop kami.
poser forgot to mention most important info to consider...the source
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poser forgot to mention most important info to consider...the source
Poser yourself, you can have blueray, media player, etc... Pag sinabing 1080p or 720p yung resolution yun. Of course ang assumption is the real deal hindi yung converted signal. O sige na nga para masaya ka, for the 720p and 1080p post above use blueray (same lahat both 1080p output) and let the 720p tv do the downgrading. Daming noobs :-p
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ganda ng explanation ni lisa mae:
pag dukha, 1080p kasi maliit ang sala
pag rich, 720p
dapat pala 4k ang bilhin ko kasi maralitang nagdarahop kami.
Mas mahal pang lalabas yung 4k kesa sa sala :-p
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A2: Kung mayaman ka like me, you can sit at comfy 10' away from TV, you only need 720p
dapat bluray bilhin mo!
haha....kung ako mayaman BLURAY lahat ng bibilhin ko parang si sir MARK lang...
wala naman pinaguusapang yaman at dukha sa thread tsk tsk tsk....
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A2: Kung mayaman ka like me, you can sit at comfy 10' away from TV, you only need 720p
dapat bluray bilhin mo!
haha....kung ako mayaman BLURAY lahat ng bibilhin ko parang si sir MARK lang...
wala naman pinaguusapang yaman at dukha sa thread tsk tsk tsk....
Relax bro sinasagot ko lang yung tanung ni TS wag ma o oppend
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Relax bro sinasagot ko lang yung tanung ni TS wag ma o oppend
relax naman ako hehe... baka madami makabasa nyan....hindi sila magiging relax
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Poser yourself, you can have blueray, media player, etc... Pag sinabing 1080p or 720p yung resolution yun. Of course ang assumption is the real deal hindi yung converted signal. O sige na nga para masaya ka, for the 720p and 1080p post above use blueray (same lahat both 1080p output) and let the 720p tv do the downgrading. Daming noobs :-p
puso mo pre.naka ilang bypass na yan relax lang
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it's blu-ray btw, not blueray.hahaha
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it's blu-ray btw, not blueray.hahaha
kulay blue kasi ung cover haha...
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it's blu-ray btw, not blueray.hahaha
it was called bluray because the ray is actually blue. so go figure ;D
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it was called bluray because the ray is actually blue. so go figure ;D
I know. Just pointing it how it is actually called - blu-ray without an e to the blu.
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wag daw maoppend hahaha kayo kasi naooppend.
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wag daw maoppend hahaha kayo kasi naooppend.
oppend gangnam style?
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wag daw maoppend hahaha kayo kasi naooppend.
wala naman kasi 'f' sa Pilipino alpabet e.
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oo nga naman .....pero di rin tagalog word yung maooppend :-)
wala naman kasi 'f' sa Pilipino alpabet e.
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wala naman kasi 'f' sa Pilipino alpabet e.
kaya ba siya hindi flu-ray? ;D
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WARNING: scientific opinions here are based on what you need, not on what you like or what your neighbor says is a better option, and I am limiting this to normal persons, you know... yung walang magnifying glass
aysusmariajosep daming noobs!!!
the most important factor in determining if you should go for 720p vs 1080p on a 42" TV is distance from your viewing position.
42" 720p = 8feet
42" 1080p = 5feet
if you are at the above viewing distance, you wont see pixelation.
Q: So how does the statement about BlueRay vs 720 works?
A: At 8ft you wont notice which is which, but go close to 5ft and you can easily differentiate 720p
Q: I want 42" for my sala, do I go for 720p or 1080p?
A1: If you are poor (as in mahirap ka), chances are, you have a small living room, you need to sit closer to the TV, so definitely a 1080p for you.
A2: Kung mayaman ka like me, you can sit at comfy 10' away from TV, you only need 720p
A3: If you have a really rich dad, !@#$ka bakit ka mag po portitu
Q: I want 42" for my bedroom, do I go for 720p or 1080p?
A1: Depende sa edad mo, if you are old (40s+), you need 1080p because you tend to sit closer to the TV, your pea-sized brain will tell you to get closer (as a natural reflex) pero ang totoo eye fatigue yun dala ng katandaan. Closer to TV = 1080p.
A2: If you are younger, yuppy, nagsisimula pa lang, dukha, you need 720p, chances are you are more interested in your bedroom action hence lie on a bed with TV far from the edge of the bed. Far from TV = details converge = 720p
Q: Now to answer the all important question do I need 1080p to watch HD porn?
A: No brainer, absolutely YES! porn is something you'd rather watch up close and personal (as in 1.5' from screen) because you want to feel the action
;D
Parang baliktad ata. Saan ninyo nakuha ito sir?
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oo nga naman .....pero di rin tagalog word yung maooppend :-)
Dami ko tawa dito haha..
kaya ba siya hindi flu-ray? ;D
Lols lupet mo talaga master nelson dami ko din tawa..
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The ability to discern between 720p and 1080p is a natter of viewing distance and screen size. The chart below should tell you at what viewing distance a 42-incher should be so you can see some difference
(http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp177/Econtractinginc/Work%20Projects/ViewingDistance.png)
If I were to interpret this chart, on a 42" screen size, a 720p picture has maximum benefit at around 8ft viewing distance.
But shorter than 8ft, a 1080p picture on a 42" starts to benefit the viewer and will have the maximum benefit around 5ft viewing distance.
This means at 8ft and above, you will not see any difference. but below 8ft, you can start seeing the superiority of 1080p over 720p in a 42-incher.
The implication here is that 720p will be just fine on a 42" TV if your viewing distance is at least 8ft away. Having a 1080p content won't make a difference at that distance.
But if your viewing distance is only 7ft or 6ft or 5ft, having a 1080p resolution will now matter.
Another implication here is that at 8ft viewing distance, if you plan to upgrade to a 50" TV, it should now be 1080p. Because 8ft is within the range where 1080p matters for a 50-incher. And if you upgrade to 64" you get the maximum benefit for 1080p. Larger than 64" and you will start to see pixels on the screen unless it is 4K.
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720P looks outstanding on my 92" screen. Can't imagine it looking much better tbh.
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Funny that this thread actually extended to 6 pages. The answer is "yes" :)
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maybe we need a categorical answer to a clear question.
With all the discussion here, does this mean that a 720p (HD Ready) tv is good enough for viewing materials which are 1080p? No distortion/pixelation?
Because if that's the case, then why the hell do I need a full HD tv if it's going to show my Full HD blu rays perfectly on a 720p?
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maybe we need a categorical answer to a clear question.
With all the discussion here, does this mean that a 720p (HD Ready) tv is good enough for viewing materials which are 1080p? No distortion/pixelation?
Because if that's the case, then why the hell do I need a full HD tv if it's going to show my Full HD blu rays perfectly on a 720p?
if it downscaled then you already loss details
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maybe we need a categorical answer to a clear question.
With all the discussion here, does this mean that a 720p (HD Ready) tv is good enough for viewing materials which are 1080p? No distortion/pixelation?
Because if that's the case, then why the hell do I need a full HD tv if it's going to show my Full HD blu rays perfectly on a 720p?
Common answers would be, depending on the viewing distance. If you sitting near a 42" tv, like 4 feet, then most often, mahahalata mo yun pixelization. But if you are sitting mora than 9 feet away from the TV, hindi noticeable ang difference. this is of course, assuming na same maker/model, contrast ratio etc.
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if it downscaled then you already loss details
then that means 720p a.k.a. HD ready tvs does not fully show the capability of a blu ray disc? will it have pixelization?
I hope someone who has experience with a blu ray disc and both HD-Ready and FullHD tv can clarify this. Kasi if HD-Ready is good enough...then really, pointless nga mag Full HD pag blu ray.
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then that means 720p a.k.a. HD ready tvs does not fully show the capability of a blu ray disc? will it have pixelization?
I hope someone who has experience with a blu ray disc and both HD-Ready and FullHD tv can clarify this. Kasi if HD-Ready is good enough...then really, pointless nga mag Full HD pag blu ray.
pointless talaga kung lagpas ka sa recomended viewing distance.
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If I'm ten feet away from my friend's "retina" MacBook Pro, I can't see anything.
I love lisa_mae's explanation, by the way. And that is why I am going 1080p for the 42-incher I'm buying.