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Home Theater => Sources => Audio Only Sources => Topic started by: jh@meeh on Aug 29, 2013 at 03:03 PM
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Mga brader patulong naman po. Baka meron kayong tweaks sa pc setup nyo from Bios to OS for music and movies improvement using Jriver mc18 or 19.
Paki share na rin po ang setup ng MC18 or 19.
Kung pwede sana paki share to this thread para maraming matulungan.
Currently i am using Caps Zuma v3 as my Htpc and Fidelizer 3 for tweaks.
Eto specs ng zuma for info..
16GB Crucial 1600MHz DDR3 Memory
Intel Ivy Bridge Quad Core I7 3770S 3.1GHz Processor
Intel DH77EB micro-ATX Motherboard
Samsung 840 PRO 128GB SSD
SOtM (Soul Of the Music) tx-USBexp Precision Oscillator Card
SOtM SATA Power Filter for SSD
Windows 8 Professional 64Bit
Salamat po sa tulong. Kung meron mang old thread, paki link nalang.
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If you can send some screenshot ng bios maybe I can help. I use to have a heavily overclocked asus motherboard kasi and iba iba ang bios ng boards...
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Ok. Will send pix later. Thanks.
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Suggestion, power the SOtM card from a wall wart instead of the on-board molex connector. Should improve the SQ. If possible the SOtM battery pack or a linear power supply would be the best.
v3 Zuma
SOtM tx-USBexp
SOtM mBPS-d2s
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Yan na kasunod... Dedicated server.
For mc19 settings if you have a dac that is dsd capable...
Go to tools - options - audio settings - dsp and output format ... In the output encoding section, choose "2xdsd in native format" or "dsd in DoP format"
That will upsample all files to output dsd128
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Suggestion, power the SOtM card from a wall wart instead of the on-board molex connector. Should improve the SQ. If possible the SOtM battery pack or a linear power supply would be the best.
v3 Zuma
SOtM tx-USBexp
SOtM mBPS-d2s
Thanks...waiting for my Paul Hynes Linear PSU Multi Rail. I hope before end of the month.
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Good new feature for MC19 timber715...Real time conversion from PCM to DSD...
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Good new feature for MC19 timber715...Real time conversion from PCM to DSD...
Tried it na brader?
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Another great tweak is to use the iFi iUSB power and iFi Gemini twinhead USB cable for another level of improvement in addition to the sotm card. I already tried this in a similar music server similar as yours
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Tried it na brader?
Tried na brader, lumakas ng konti ang volume nya...more testing...
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Hindi compatible ang Fidelizer 3 sa Jriver MC19 kapag naka engage ang PCM to DSD realtime conversion...Nag stutter ang mga songs...Have you tried Timber Fidelizer 3?
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Hindi compatible ang Fidelizer 3 sa Jriver MC19 kapag naka engage ang PCM to DSD realtime conversion...Nag stutter ang mga songs...Have you tried Timber Fidelizer 3?
Tried fidelizer sa mc18. I does nothing to my laptop kasi tweaked na OS nya. So the things it stops are already not running. Also read na hindi nga matched ang fidelizer sa mc19.
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Try to benchmark your pc using mc18 or 19.
Go to Help - Benchmark..... Make sure nothing is running at the background....
For mc19 it is important to have around 3000 points...
My pc scores 1,420.... Huhuhu
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=== Running Benchmarks (please do not interrupt) ===
Running 'Math' benchmark...
Single-threaded integer math... 3.674 seconds
Single-threaded floating point math... 2.449 seconds
Multi-threaded integer math... 1.116 seconds
Multi-threaded mixed math... 0.714 seconds
Score: 2389
Running 'Image' benchmark...
Image creation / destruction... 0.264 seconds
Flood filling... 0.396 seconds
Direct copying... 0.446 seconds
Small renders... 1.177 seconds
Bilinear rendering... 0.897 seconds
Bicubic rendering... 0.626 seconds
Score: 5780
Running 'Database' benchmark...
Create database... 0.369 seconds
Populate database... 1.185 seconds
Save database... 0.297 seconds
Reload database... 0.050 seconds
Search database... 0.996 seconds
Sort database... 0.913 seconds
Group database... 0.703 seconds
Score: 4765
JRMark (version 19.0.32): 4311
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Very nice scores... Iba talaga kung naka i7 ang server....
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Thank you brader...
Okay din pala yung Zoning...You could set up Zone 1 for Audio and Zone 2 for Movies. Okay to especially kapag sa Audio naka ASIO driver ka (USB), tapos sa movie naka WASAPI driver ka (HDMI)
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Supplied ang ASIO drivers mo with the exa dac? Buti na lang wyred included them....
Hehehe, yung mc19 ko pang music lang talaga, got a pch for movies....
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oo kasama nasa exa yung driver. dedicated asio for e20..All in one na yung Zuma ko...baka benta ko na yung PCH C-200, WD Live at Cambridge Azur 751BD ko.
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This is the latest version of MC19.
Download: http://files.jriver.com/mediacenter/channels/v19/latest/MediaCenter190036.exe
This is an early build of MC19. Please read what others say before downloading. It may be less trouble free than MC18 for some. Back up your current MC library before installing. Please use the Problems and Questions thread if you need help.
19.0.36 (9/4/2013)
1. NEW: Added native support for little-endian PCM AIFF files (previously only the more common big-endian or floating point AIFF files were supported natively).
2. Changed: Copying list items to the clipboard generated RFC 4180 compliant CSV data (previously some special characters, newlines, etc. were not formatted for RFC 4180 compliance).
3. Changed: Copying list items to the clipboard puts CSV into the text area of the clipboard (instead of having different text and CSV formats).
4. Fixed: If something triggered a Standard View view switch while Theater View was showing, it could steal the keyboard / remote focus.
5. Fixed: MC could not read and write replay gain tags in APE tags that used replaygain_track_gain style naming.
6. Changed: MC no longer adjust replay gain value internally by 6 dB (should be internal change, but please report any issues).
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New Features in Jriver MC19
TV EPG Download Scheduling
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=82865.0
User accounts
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=82733.0
Theater View fade-out (plasma burn-in)
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=82737.0
JRiver audio engine as an ASIO driver
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=82082.0
Copy a zone's settings to a new zone
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=82078.0
Simplified audio device selection
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=82077.0
RAW image support using LibRaw
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=82075.0
Real-time DSD output
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=82074.0
Improved audio analysis and volume leveling (R128)
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=82025.0
Adaptive volume
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=82023.0
Analyze audio for videos
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=81983.0
Improved memory playback
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=81982.0
TV channel stacking
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=81979.0
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Tried fidelizer sa mc18. I does nothing to my laptop kasi tweaked na OS nya. So the things it stops are already not running. Also read na hindi nga matched ang fidelizer sa mc19.
I updated to latest build of MC19 19.036 and Fidelizer 3.0 is working again. No more stutter...Good!
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oo kasama nasa exa yung driver. dedicated asio for e20..All in one na yung Zuma ko...baka benta ko na yung PCH C-200, WD Live at Cambridge Azur 751BD ko.
Brader bentang adik mo na lang sakin yan... Hehehe >:D
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May kasamang 3tb na hard disk at maraming movies...yaan mo brader pag uwi ko sa bakasyon pag usapan natin...
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May kasamang 3tb na hard disk at maraming movies...yaan mo brader pag uwi ko sa bakasyon pag usapan natin...
Hehehe... Kahit yung player lang brader ;D
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Nasa loob na ng c-200 yung dalawang hard disk, isang 1TB at 2TB..
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Nasa loob na ng c-200 yung dalawang hard disk, isang 1TB at 2TB..
Ok brader. Sana bukas makauwi kana ng Pinas, hehehe
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Hehehe... Kahit yung player lang brader ;D
Tumawad pa, eh halos free na nga yung hdd ayaw pa... Hehehehe
Nasa loob na ng c-200 yung dalawang hard disk, isang 1TB at 2TB..
Ayan o.... Binibigay na nga.
Regarding the update ng mc19 from 18, yung "Improved audio analysis and volume leveling (R128)" is really a step better.... Di lang sya mag lolower ng malalakas na files, pwede rin sya i-adjust para di masyadong humina yung iba without affecting sonics.
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Maraming ayaw ang naka on/check ang DSP Audio (volume / adaptive levelling) kasi na compromise daw ang SQ..Ano ang experience mo about it?
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Maraming ayaw ang naka on/check ang DSP Audio (volume / adaptive levelling) kasi na compromise daw ang SQ..Ano ang experience mo about it?
Ok naman for me at wala naman akong nadidinig na naiiba. Of course most would associate a weaker volume as a degradation in sonics, pero other than a slightly weaker volume for some files I don't find the sonics to be compromised.
Regarding room correction naman tayo... Have you tried it yet? Malaki ang effect nito imo.
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Tumawad pa, eh halos free na nga yung hdd ayaw pa... Hehehehe
Ayan o.... Binibigay na nga.
Ayos!!!
Libre pala yung 3TB, hehehe ;D
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Hindi ko pa nga na try ang DSP Audio bukod sa PCM to DSD. Pag lalaruan ko this week yan..Lagi kasing naka off, parang "Pure Mode" ba...
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Hindi ko pa nga na try ang DSP Audio bukod sa PCM to DSD. Pag lalaruan ko this week yan..Lagi kasing naka off, parang "Pure Mode" ba...
The nice thing about it is if you don't like the changes you can adjust it or just turn it off.... When you know your system enough is the right time to play with the settings. Give it at least two hours of listening before deciding. Most often, the initial change isn't what we are used to and would regard it as not good. Give it a while, some changes actually are beneficial...
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Nice, this thread is getting more and more interesting :)
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This is the latest version of MC19.
Download: http://files.jriver.com/mediacenter/channels/v19/latest/MediaCenter190037.exe
This is an early build of MC19. Please read what others say before downloading. It may be less trouble free than MC18 for some. Back up your current MC library before installing. Please use the Problems and Questions thread if you need help.
19.0.37 (9/5/2013)
1. Fixed: Playback of some YouTube music videos was failing.
2. Changed: The CSV text copied to the clipboard when copying from a list uses tab instead of comma as the delimiter.
3. Fixed: Playing YouTube videos, MC would not resume playback after entering buffering state.
4. Changed: Switched convolution based image effects (sharpen, emboss, etc.) to use SSE instead of MMX (should be internal change, but please report any issues).
5. Changed: MC will now read and write replay gain (Volume Level) tags in Windows Media files.
6. Fixed: Loopback was not working in the last couple builds due to internal COM changes.
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This is the latest version of MC19.
Download: http://files.jriver.com/mediacenter/channels/v19/latest/MediaCenter190037.exe
This is an early build of MC19. Please read what others say before downloading. It may be less trouble free than MC18 for some. Back up your current MC library before installing. Please use the Problems and Questions thread if you need help.
19.0.37 (9/5/2013)
1. Fixed: Playback of some YouTube music videos was failing.
2. Changed: The CSV text copied to the clipboard when copying from a list uses tab instead of comma as the delimiter.
3. Fixed: Playing YouTube videos, MC would not resume playback after entering buffering state.
4. Changed: Switched convolution based image effects (sharpen, emboss, etc.) to use SSE instead of MMX (should be internal change, but please report any issues).
5. Changed: MC will now read and write replay gain (Volume Level) tags in Windows Media files.
6. Fixed: Loopback was not working in the last couple builds due to internal COM changes.
People seem to find the update much better and stutter free. Must have freed some resources to do so. Must try later
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You are right, its getting better. I am using this latest version since afternoon. No problem with Fidelizer 3.0. Maybe the "little harsh" is just me, not for all recordings... ::)...ymmv...I really like the real time pcm to dsd feature and zoning.
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Well I just updated to 19.0.37. And so far mas magaan nga ng konti ito than the previous. And with a 1400 benchmark, I would know this is certainly an improvement. I use to get stutter when I am using the onboard wifi for Jremote. So far, wala pa....
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Nice, this thread is getting more and more interesting :)
Brader baka may settings/tweaks ka na pwedeng i share...thanks!
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Been playing with the room correction on with only the listening distance correction for about 3 days. Now, I turned it off... I like it turned off.
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What USB cable are you using now?
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What USB cable are you using now?
Still on my wireworld starlight. Would probably be interested to try the Kingrex....
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For exa, the stock usb cable are fine. Lots of exa users are reporting that exotic usb cables does not adding any SQ upgrade..
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I have the KingRex uART(Y) cable together with uPower, hooked up to the SOtM tx-USBexp and so far it has the best SQ I can wring out compared to all the other USB cables I've tested (none to say that it's not that many, hehe)
Though it's out of luck if paired to the DAC2 DSDse.
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What you mean out of luck? Di tatakbo dahil sa compatibility issues?
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I recall you did mention that Y usb cables have compatibility issues with the DSDse, only the the Y models I think. Best we try the Y cable on your system just to be sure ^-^
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I recall you did mention that Y usb cables have compatibility issues with the DSDse, only the the Y models I think. Best we try the Y cable on your system just to be sure ^-^
Kelan ba balik mo?
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IMPROVED MEMORY PLAYBACK
Overview
Memory playback now holds decoded data in memory instead of encoded data.
This means playing any form of lossless (WAV, FLAC, APE, ALAC, etc.) will have identical data in memory and identical resource usage.
Benefits
The theoretical benefits of memory playback are that no disk or network I/O occurs while playing and that CPU load during playback could be reduced.
Technical Considerations
With a modern computer, playback of a standard CD-quality file will have the fully decoded file in memory in around one second.
Memory playback will use up to 1GB of memory for cache (capped at 80% of available system memory to avoid swap usage).
In some cases, the work of decoding and caching a file quickly as a track starts could lead to other problems. For example, when playing over Wi-Fi some machines exhibit high resource usage when reading a file quickly. This resource usage as a track starts could lead to audio playback glitches.
Some files like DSD played as PCM have very large decoded data so that they might require more memory to cache than (most) any system has. In these cases, the program will cache 1GB, play it mostly out, then cache another 1GB, etc.
With memory playback enabled, the player will no longer report a real-time bitrate (ie. 872 kbps) during playback. This is because asking the decoder its current bitrate is not possible when the decoder has finished with the current track completely in the first couple seconds of playback.
Sound Quality
JRiver is unaware of any test that shows a sound quality advantage to memory playback.
The option was added due to popular demand.
How to Use
You enable or disable memory playback in Options > Audio > Play files from memory instead of disk.
It is off by default.
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Napa check tuloy ako kung naka on yung settings ko for that.... Heheheh. It has alway been on sa settings ko.
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This is the latest version of MC19.
Download: http://files.jriver.com/mediacenter/channels/v19/latest/MediaCenter190038.exe
This is an early build of MC19. Please read what others say before downloading. It may be less trouble free than MC18 for some. Back up your current MC library before installing. Please use the Problems and Questions thread if you need help.
19.0.38 (9/10/2013)
1. Fixed: The installer would always register the 64-bit shell extensions, leading to cases where shell extensions could show in Explorer when the option was off in MC (manually turn on, OK out of options, then turn off, and OK out of options to fix).
2. Fixed: The custom library backup path validation could unnecessarily create the default folder.
3. Changed: Rewrote several core MMX image manipulation routines in SSE (most around 2x faster and now work cross platform).
4. Fixed: The visual mouse over state for an edit control would not always be honored properly.
5. Changed: Adaptive Volume in 'Peak Level Normalize' mode normalizes on a per-track basis when Volume Leveling is off and on a per-playlist basis when Volume Leveling is on.
6. Fixed: WPD camera acquisition could fail in the last few builds due to the internal COM changes.
7. Changed: MC has a white list of device names that support system volume while bitstreaming, and no longer disables the system volume slider when playing to these devices (if you have a device like this, please provide details).
8. Fixed: Audio device names with pipes or backslashes in them could cause problems in Options > Audio.
9. Changed: Added experimental support for ASIO DSD output to devices that do not specify a DSD buffer format like Teac, maybe others (feedback appreciated).
10. Fixed: If auto-import got canceled while analyzing audio, it would record it as an error and not try again for a year.
11. Fixed: Column auto-sizing was not working in some areas.
12. Fixed: The projection aspect ratio was inconsistent when switching between some 3d visualizations.
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Maganda talaga support ng jriver, constantly fixing and upgrading their player.
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JRiver Media Center 19.0.41 - update
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=83700.0
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This is the latest version of MC19.
Download: http://files.jriver.com/mediacenter/channels/v19/latest/MediaCenter190041.exe
19.0.41 (9/18/2013)
1. Changed: Added support for SSA/ASS subtitle custom margins in the styles block.
2. NEW: Convert Format allows optionally specifying an audio output bitdepth.
3. Fixed: A corrupted APE file could cause decoding to stall in rare cases.
4. Fixed: Television tuner specific configuration dialog was not displayed.
5. Fixed: MadVR fell out of exclusive mode on OSD with TV playback.
19.0.40 (9/17/2013)
1. Changed: A processor that supports SSE2 is now required (added in 2001 to Intel, 2003 to AMD).
2. NEW: Added a 6 dB/octave mode for high and low pass filters in Parametric Equalizer.
3. Changed: The import summary is presented as an Action Window and only shows a popup and switches to 'Recently Imported' if a user clicks 'Details' on the summary.
4. Fixed: The new JRTelevision Dll did not work.
5. Internal: Revised left mouse click handling so that single, double, and triple clicks are generated by JRiver's framework instead of the operating system (should be internal change, but please report any mouse related issues).
6. Fixed: The installer could incorrectly want to reboot when it couldn't install the shell extensions.
19.0.39 (9/16/2013)
1. Fixed: Some handheld devices would not appear in the last few builds (due to the internal COM changes).
2. Faster: When loading Theater View backdrops from multiple sources, all sources are loaded at once instead of loading one at a time.
3. SDK: MCWS/v1/File/GetFile allows specifying a custom mime type for the response (to deal with carriers or ISPs that may block or throttle MP3 data).
4. Faster: Netflix queue is downloaded 2 to 3 times faster due to using parallel threading. Cancel works better.
5. Fixed: A few rare MP3 files could get slow to play or analyze.
6. Fixed: The brightness / contrast skin effect could overflow and look bad when using SSE acceleration.
7. Fixed: The removed FTP upload tool could incorrectly appear in the send to menu ( removed when MFC was removed: http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=75971.0 ).
8. Changed: The JRiver ASIO driver allows the host to configure the driver buffer size instead of keying off Options > Audio > Live playback latency (this way programs that query for the buffer size of all ASIO drivers on startup won't cause MC to start).
9. Changed: Socket buffer size to 32k.
10. Changed: Allow re-use of the base socket listener for library server (non-windows versions).
11. Changed: Adaptive Volume in 'Peak Level Normalize' mode would not use a fixed gain in some cases where it should have.
12. Internal: Switched television engine from an MFC COM control (MJTVControl.dll) to a regular DLL (JRTelevision.dll).
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This is the latest version of MC19.
Download: http://files.jriver.com/mediacenter/channels/v19/latest/MediaCenter190045.exe
19.0.45 (9/24/2013)
1. Fixed: mp4/m4a files would not play on LS clients if user chooses "Automatic" or "JRiver audio engine (using input plug-in)" for Playback Type.
2. Changed: Video playback no longer forces the 'Clip protection' overflow handling mode but instead allows flat-lining overflows if so desired.
3. Fixed: Some click handling problems from build 44.
4. Fixed: When MP3 decoding encountered bad frames, audio analysis could slow way down instead of quickly working through the errors.
19.0.44 (9/24/2013)
1. Fixed: Shell extensions were causing problems in build 43.
2. Internal: More work on mouse click and double-click handling to fix some issues with trackpads (please report any issues).
19.0.43 (9/23/2013)
1. Fixed: A couple click / mouse issues due to the internal click handling changes.
2. Changed: Analyze Audio allows analyzing up to 8 files at a time instead of 4.
3. Fixed: Memory playback could engage when analyzing audio or converting and impact the memory usage and performance of the operation.
4. Faster: Improved thread parallelism when analyzing audio (and to a lesser extent regular playback).
5. SDK: The HTML engine supports .Rating and .RatingStars variables on any file object (can be used by WebGizmo, etc.).
6. Fixed: If a video file issued a finished event before ever starting, it could cause the audio analyzer to hang on the file.
7. Fixed: Thai text (and possibly others) could draw with incorrect character spacing.
8. Fixed: ASIO Line-in playback was not working properly.
9. Fixed: A corrupt MP3 file could cause a crash when decoding in rare cases.
10. Changed: Edit control scrollbars are indented one pixel so that they're inside the edit border with most skins.
11. Fixed: The Trunc(...) math expression function could show incorrect results in some cases.
19.0.42 (9/19/2013)
1. Fixed: Theater View could crash in rare cases.
2. Changed: The installer checks for SSE2 and shows an error if it's not found instead of refusing to run (we have no way to test this, so confirmation would be appreciated).
3. Changed: Revised the check for operating system support for AVX CPU instructions to hopefully fix an issue on XP running in Parallels (testing appreciated).
4. Fixed: When a client request a television channel that the server is already running (either recording or serving other clients), a black rectangle is drawn on the upper lefter corner of the server.
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19.0.56 update....
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=84353.0
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This JRiver MC19 definitely sounds much, much better than the previous version.
I liked it so much I stopped using the trial version and bought the licensed one instead.
The US$ 50.00 is worth the investment.
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This JRiver MC19 definitely sounds much, much better than the previous version.
I liked it so much I stopped using the trial version and bought the licensed one instead.
The US$ 50.00 is worth the investment.
+1
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The 19.0.56 seem to messed playback for dsd formats, while upsampling from pcm2dsd works fine... Back to 19.0.45 for me
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di ko pa natesting....dami pang bugs ng mc19..
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Ang ganda lang sa jriver, constantly upgrading sila often for the better without going overboard.
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Oo nga, tsaka sinabi naman nila sa website na ganyan talaga pag new builds..they really support the product..syempre may bayad kasi..hehehe
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Update for 19.0.60 now available... http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=84625.0
I have yet to try it tomorrow though....
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Another update
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=84823.0
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Another update
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=84823.0
Saw it nga, the previous updates mess with dsd playback eh, sana eto ok na....
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Since morning listening to Sarah McLachlan using latest update, okay naman and no problem with DSD playback. Linaw ng vocals ni Sarah M...Dear God & Full of Grace..
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Since morning listening to Sarah McLachlan using latest update, okay naman and no problem with DSD playback. Linaw ng vocals ni Sarah M...Dear God & Full of Grace..
Will download shortly, nagtreadmill lang kami ng aso ko.... Heheheh
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Another update
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=84823.0
19.0.67 update, maganda nga brader. Got a few more details with no problem on playback with other formats.
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Latest from Jriver... MC19 update... 19.0.74 (11/11/2013)
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=85104.0
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Latest from JRIVER
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=85521.0
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Now at 19.0.100 and I heard some difference from the previous releases, not sure what they did but I'm liking it.
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=86190.0
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JRIVER Media Center 19.0.152
NEW: Added '4xDSD in native format' to the real-time DSD encoding choices.
Ayos!
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?PHPSESSID=2tg6j9ns370g2r5nuarj45q8t1&topic=90385.0