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Home Theater => Audio => Speakers => Topic started by: jumpmanxfx on Sep 24, 2013 at 03:53 PM
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Gurus, question. pwede ba i compare yung bookshelf sa floorstanders? i didisregard na natin ung bass output kasi may subwoofer na ako.. kasi gusto ko lang marinig ung kumpleto. meaning yung hindi ko naririnig dati gusto ko marinig, i got a vsx523 and wharf 121 + DIY sub (double 10's).
plan ko sana etong 121 gawin kong surround and front eh, planning to buy floorstanders na 10.6/10.7/P363(infi) or B&W 685 - yan ung mga choices ko. na ccurious lang kasi ako dun sa 685 pero kung makkuha ko din yung tunog na nasa floorstanders dun nalang ako sa maliit mejo malaki kasi floorstanders. 50/50 music-movies kasi ako.
salamat sa inputs nio TIA.
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mas maganda same brand ng center mo. kelangan matched kasi yung LCR mo.
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For HT, most likely you will set your L+R to Small since you will use your SUB. This will defeat the purpose of the FS. For pure HT might as well go with BS.
If you will use your system for Audio listening, and set to pure audio or 2.0 output, that is when you can take full advantage of the FS.
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I read somewhere before, sometimes, floorstarters are like bookshelves with stands.
Ang daming bookshelves ngayon na ang lalaki tumunog.
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I read somewhere before, sometimes, floorstarters are like bookshelves with stands.
Ang daming bookshelves ngayon na ang lalaki tumunog.
Like rx1 master nelson. Hehe
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Mas maganda siguro ilipat ito sa discussion thread ng speaker...nasa mp kasi.. ;)
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Mas maganda siguro ilipat ito sa discussion thread ng speaker...nasa mp kasi.. ;)
+1 plus back read lang at marami kang malalaman... ;)
audition is your key. hth ;)
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Sorry about that. Moving this topic now. :)
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Sirs,
I'm planning for a simple 2.0 set-up using floorstanders mainly for audio listening only. May advantage po ba kung magdagdag pa ng center speaker?
Thanks!
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^_Mostly adding or upgrading the center are those with HT setup but for Audio Listening only doesn't need a center much better if you add SUBWOOFER.
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Sirs,
I'm planning for a simple 2.0 set-up using floorstanders mainly for audio listening only. May advantage po ba kung magdagdag pa ng center speaker?
Thanks!
2.0 = Left and Right speaker only pag pure audio.
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long thread: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,10728.0.html
related topic: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,156085.0.html
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long thread: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,10728.0.html
related topic: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,156085.0.html
haba ng backread ko... thanks for posting sir!!!
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2.0 = Left and Right speaker only pag pure audio.
Yes. But lately, may emergence ng mga pure audio na multi-channel na. Though ilan ilan lang.
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IMHO, if the floorstander has additional different driver/s than the bookshelves then it should be better (assuming that that they don't have a bad crossover). But if they have the same number of tweeter / woofer combo then the FS will only excel a bit more in the bass region.
About having different brands for fronts / center, as long as they don't have a totally different audio signature (one has paper tweeters, the other has aluminum) I think you can give it a try.
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after a tremendous amount of research for the cons and pros of fs and bs...i'm close to believing that bs + sub is better...in terms of costing, placement and musicality...well, that's according to some of the forums i visited(no time to audition)...so for me to really believe...(it's painful...butas na naman ang bulsa : ) but exciting)i will buy a sub to pair with the dia 10.1 then maybe after my pocket recovers, a floorstander might be next, maybe a polk or wharf..."enough is not enough" :)
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2.0 = Left and Right speaker only pag pure audio.
much better if using integrated amp rather than reciever.imo
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^ or power amp & pre-amp combo OR tube amp ;)
for audio I like listening to 2.0 setup, was never a fan of subs for pure audio. for HT a sub plays a big role.
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You might want to consider that it is very difficult to match a sub with a BS or FS. Often there is difference in tempo between Sub and BS/FS, where subs are typically slower. This results to a muddy bottom end sound.
Unless you are ready to spend on high-end subs with Phase controls, I would search for an audio BS/FS with sufficient bass that you will no longer desire a sub. HTH.
after a tremendous amount of research for the cons and pros of fs and bs...i'm close to believing that bs + sub is better...in terms of costing, placement and musicality...well, that's according to some of the forums i visited(no time to audition)...so for me to really believe...(it's painful...butas na naman ang bulsa : ) but exciting)i will buy a sub to pair with the dia 10.1 then maybe after my pocket recovers, a floorstander might be next, maybe a polk or wharf..."enough is not enough" :)
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You might want to consider that it is very difficult to match a sub with a BS or FS. Often there is difference in tempo between Sub and BS/FS, where subs are typically slower. This results to a muddy bottom end sound.
Unless you are ready to spend on high-end subs with Phase controls, I would search for an audio BS/FS with sufficient bass that you will no longer desire a sub. HTH.
actually you are right..mejo ang kagandhan lang ng sub is ramdam mo tlaga ang low freq especially playing r&b...though ok nman na din and bs ok lang namn din ang base konting tweak lang sa bass ng amp. :)
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di na ata nagparamdam si TS ah...? ano na kaya ang nangyari?
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My take on this would be room size. A small bookshelf can achieve pressurizing spl on a small room just like a floorstander can in a big-ish room.
A well-engineered FS can achieve what a good BS can do too in terms of imaging. Pero siyempre, you have to pay a premium for those FS.
FS or BS, you still have to add two subs. ;)
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You might want to consider that it is very difficult to match a sub with a BS or FS. Often there is difference in tempo between Sub and BS/FS, where subs are typically slower. This results to a muddy bottom end sound.
Unless you are ready to spend on high-end subs with Phase controls, I would search for an audio BS/FS with sufficient bass that you will no longer desire a sub. HTH.
sir would you recommend a particular brand and model of BS speakers with sufficient bass. Im planning on setting up wharfdale BS powered by an onkyo 313 amp
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I like the bottom end sound of Wharfedale speakers, although it lacks the detailed sound for critical listening.
If you already have the 9 or 10-series Wharfedale speakers, I recommend you have Anthony Lueterio tweak the speakers and you will get the detailed sound.
I was very impressed also with the Wharfedale 121 BS... this model does not need tweaking but needs a good amplifier with lots of power to sing very well.
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Damin
sir would you recommend a particular brand and model of BS speakers with sufficient bass. Im planning on setting up wharfdale BS powered by an onkyo 313 amp
Ang daming bassy BS speakers jan sir. Just be sure to audition them muna. In my experience: Dynaudio, PSB, Goldenear, Monitor Audio, Definitive Technology.
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sir would you recommend a particular brand and model of BS speakers with sufficient bass. Im planning on setting up wharfdale BS powered by an onkyo 313 amp
the brand would depend on your budget... :)
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I like the bottom end sound of Wharfedale speakers, although it lacks the detailed sound for critical listening.
If you already have the 9 or 10-series Wharfedale speakers, I recommend you have Anthony Lueterio tweak the speakers and you will get the detailed sound.
I was very impressed also with the Wharfedale 121 BS... this model does not need tweaking but needs a good amplifier with lots of power to sing very well.
try the Dentons and be amazed. :)
^ or power amp & pre-amp combo OR tube amp ;)
for audio I like listening to 2.0 setup, was never a fan of subs for pure audio. for HT a sub plays a big role.
the use of a sub will depend on the genre of music you are listening to.
for audiophile music ok lang wala sub, but i prefer na me sub as long as tama sa tono.
for metal/rock music a sub is a must.
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Damin
Ang daming bassy BS speakers jan sir. Just be sure to audition them muna. In my experience: Dynaudio, PSB, Goldenear, Monitor Audio, Definitive Technology.
honestly ok na din bass ng dia 10.1 as long int amp naka-connect.dati sa avr onkyo ko kinabit mejo weak ang tunog.malaki talaga kaibahan ng avr vs amp pang music tlaga dedicated amp.imo.
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if you have space hands down floorstanders. why? for audio fs are stand alone without the aid of a subwoofer and if your ht mode just add-on a sub for lower freq and bass power.
if your 50/50 audio and ht.
points for fs are you do not need to turn on the sub because most audio recording are pretty much more on instrumentations and vocals with added effects and synthetic sound, most of these does not really or rarey go down to 20hz to which most good fs can provide with a good freq range rather than those bs speakers.
though im not against sub sat setup but most or if not all the time its really difficult to have the positiong of the sub. for me its not really balance to the entire room even though the sub is non localize.
then again i would still prefer fs than bs. its better to have more freq range and tonal balance on my fronts than bs that has limited lower freq response even when you accompany it with sub.
sub sat: you have to mind and adj volume and freq range of your sub to match the bs. remember different genres different recordings. so you have you have to keep changing the reponse based on what you are listening like from classical to jazz to hip hop to rock. you have yo keep adjusting and changing not even mentioning the positioning of the sub.
fs: for audio just plug and play without fidling the sub. for ht just turn on the sub.
hope you got my point.
similar analogy, when going into battle would you prefer an m16 or cal. 45?
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IMHO, For me FS or a big bookshelf with Subwoofer :) There is only a handful of FS that can go down to 20 hz and those that do are frikkin $$$$$$$. Most FS that I have heard rarely goes down to 30 hz, even 35 hz is not common, even if they do go down to 30 hz on its technical spec, they can not do this with the required SPL (depending on the listeners volume preference and type of music). An FS with a 8 inch woofer can only do so much bass compared to a 12 or 15 inch subwoofer
* Even today, 8 inch woofers is seldom seen in FS speakers, so expect less bass with a 7 or 6.5 inch woofers and its smaller brothers.
Once you have heard a properly setup 2.1 channel with BS or a FS for that matter, you would never go back to 2.0
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IMHO, For me FS or a big bookshelf with Subwoofer :) There is only a handful of FS that can go down to 20 hz and those that do are frikkin $$$$$$$. Most FS that I have heard rarely goes down to 30 hz, even 35 hz is not common, even if they do go down to 30 hz on its technical spec, they can not do this with the required SPL (depending on the listeners volume preference and type of music). An FS with a 8 inch woofer can only do so much bass compared to a 12 or 15 inch subwoofer
* Even today, 8 inch woofers is seldom seen in FS speakers, so expect less bass with a 7 or 6.5 inch woofers and its smaller brothers.
Once you have heard a properly setup 2.1 channel with BS or a FS for that matter, you would never go back to 2.0
I agree with you. Maraming nawawala kung mag-start mag-roll off sa 50-hz region and speakers.
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Once you have heard a properly setup 2.1 channel with BS or a FS for that matter, you would never go back to 2.0
Very true. Without the aid of a very good sub that is integrated thoughtfully in the system you will lose a whole lot of the 3D simulation, spatial cues and ambience. A good sub not only extends the frequency capability of the system..it brings to the table a lot more than that.
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for audio? a pair of 4 ft tall MTMW FS and two 4 ft3 subs is enough for me.
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triton 7
(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff26/marcyao/GoldenEar%20Technology/NG7_GoldenEar_Triton7Pair_zpsf470f2ff.jpg) (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/marcyao/media/GoldenEar%20Technology/NG7_GoldenEar_Triton7Pair_zpsf470f2ff.jpg.html)
or
aon 3
(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff26/marcyao/GoldenEar%20Technology/aon-1.jpg) (http://s236.photobucket.com/user/marcyao/media/GoldenEar%20Technology/aon-1.jpg.html)
can't go wrong with either. :)
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for audio? a pair of 4 ft tall MTMW FS and two 4 ft3 subs is enough for me.
bumanat na naman si naughty master mark!!! aruuu!!! >:D ^-^ O0
daming mahuhusay na infos...
payo ko sa isang newbie para makatipid, hanap ka ng isang audio 'expert' then iparinig mo setup mo then sasabihan ka na "ang ganda tumunog speaker mo ah!". kahit ordinary bs lang yan basta narinig mo sa isang 'expert' feeling mo ayus nga. hehehe....
pero teka, ano na nga ba ang nangyari sa TS:
Date Registered: Aug 02, 2013 at 01:16 PMLocal Time:Oct 08, 2013 at 04:09
Last Active: Sep 26, 2013 at 03:06 PM
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^ ikaw nga six footer ang FS eh!
tiningnan ko rin yan kanina di pa nag-open mula nung magtanong. baka nag-a-audition na.
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Misic is boring without a sub. :)
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Misic is boring without a sub. :)
Baka kapag naka-Utopia na tayo, di na tayo maghanap ng sub.
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^ Utopia speakers ko...
ay Ethiopia pala! :o
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I like the bottom end sound of Wharfedale speakers, although it lacks the detailed sound for critical listening.
If you already have the 9 or 10-series Wharfedale speakers, I recommend you have Anthony Lueterio tweak the speakers and you will get the detailed sound.
I was very impressed also with the Wharfedale 121 BS... this model does not need tweaking but needs a good amplifier with lots of power to sing very well.
thanks mga bossing for the replies much appreciated. now im confused with intergrated amps and avr's..research research muna ko dito boards
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thanks mga bossing for the replies much appreciated. now im confused with intergrated amps and avr's..research research muna ko dito boards
Integrated amp basically means the preamp and power amp section is "integrated" into 1 package. Whereas, AVR = Audio Video Receiver, can also be an integrated amp, except they have the ability to accept video signals.
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wel cguro they dont make floorstanders the way they use to, like this cerwin vega AT-15
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii261/CharlieHorse1992/HD770sAT-15s008.jpg) (http://s266.photobucket.com/user/CharlieHorse1992/media/HD770sAT-15s008.jpg.html)
dito lang masaya na ako without the help of a sub. though its power hungry... :)
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wel cguro they dont make floorstanders the way they use to, like this cerwin vega AT-15
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii261/CharlieHorse1992/HD770sAT-15s008.jpg) (http://s266.photobucket.com/user/CharlieHorse1992/media/HD770sAT-15s008.jpg.html)
dito lang masaya na ako without the help of a sub. though its power hungry... :)
That yours sir? Ang ganda at ang kinis pa.
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I just added a sub to my 2.0 setup to be able to listen first hand the diff between with or without a sub and yes it makes a big difference...you can hear and feel the low freq and it gives more life and weight whatever you call it to any genre you would listen to but yes you will have to blend the sub to your main and therefore you must excert some effort in tweaking the bass management knobs on the sub until you get it right not to mention the position/location of the sub coz it really have a major impact in filling the room with bass..for a start I got a vintage dynaquest 12".got it cheap but sounds good..just sharing :-)
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I just added a sub to my 2.0 setup to be able to listen first hand the diff between with or without a sub and yes it makes a big difference...you can hear and feel the low freq and it gives more life and weight whatever you call it to any genre you would listen to but yes you will have to blend the sub to your main and therefore you must excert some effort in tweaking the bass management knobs on the sub until you get it right not to mention the position/location of the sub coz it really have a major impact in filling the room with bass..for a start I got a vintage dynaquest 12".got it cheap but sounds good..just sharing :-)
Congrats sir. proper integration is the key.
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thanks..yeah thats the key...
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Congrats sir. proper integration is the key.
Heed the words of Master Nelson. A sub in a music system used to augment a bookshelf or floor stander can be utilized as a weapon for mass destruction however its best to be used as a scalpel with utmost precision.
When the musical material doesn't call for it the sub must be "invisible"
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When the musical material doesn't call for it the sub must be "invisible"
sakli :)
in my experience, the only time I enjoy (most) listening w/o a sub is when i'm close to the speakers (2-3ft).
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^ or power amp & pre-amp combo OR tube amp ;)
for audio I like listening to 2.0 setup, was never a fan of subs for pure audio. for HT a sub plays a big role.
Me din left/right channel lang powered by a-50T. Di masyadong hilig yung bassy. more ako sa clarity
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in my case, I am happy with the amount of bass that is coming out of my floorstanders. the two pairs have 7" woofers and when played with trance and Bass Beat Sound really shakes the hanging wooden carvings against the wall. anything more baka ipa-baranggay na ako ng neighbor, townhouse kasi.
he he he he. :)