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Sony's in a 'bag of hurt' because of Blu-ray
Sony cuts earnings estimates as disc market shrinks faster than expected
By Aaron Souppourison
May 1, 2014 03:31
... The second charge is due to what Sony calls "demand for physical media contracting faster than anticipated," especially in Europe. Because of this, Sony says it does not believe the business will generate "sufficient cash flow in the future to recover the carrying amount of long-lived assets."
http://www.theverge.com/2014/5/1/5670786/sony-earnings-adjustment-impairment-charges (http://www.theverge.com/2014/5/1/5670786/sony-earnings-adjustment-impairment-charges)
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Steve Jobs' wise decision to avoid Blu-ray
by Yoni Heisler @edibleapple|May 7th 2014 at 1:30PM.
With Blu-ray sales losing steam, Apple's decision to avoid the format altogether seems smarter than ever.
http://www.tuaw.com/2014/05/07/steve-jobs-wise-decision-to-avoid-blu-ray/ (http://www.tuaw.com/2014/05/07/steve-jobs-wise-decision-to-avoid-blu-ray/)
Sony banked on Blu-Ray and is paying the price
Reporter: David Chirico
May 1, 2014
in Technology
... Sony invested so much time and money into making Blu-Ray players and investing in the Blu-Ray business, it stopped the company from noticing the big trend growing, namely digital media. Apple famously dropped Blu-Ray from all of its systems, with Steve Jobs claiming the format was a ‘bag of hurt’ and not worth using.
Its disc manufacturing business has been severely hit in the past year, with Sony claiming it did not expect so many people to move away from physical media as fast. In Europe, a prime place for Blu-Ray, the rate of movement to digital has been incredible, putting Sony’s platform in the dust.
http://usfinancepost.com/sony-banked-on-blu-ray-and-is-paying-the-price-17960.html (http://usfinancepost.com/sony-banked-on-blu-ray-and-is-paying-the-price-17960.html)
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but what media can store those HD files if not bluray? not everyone have reliable and fast internet speeds..
I think Steve Jobs decision to avoid bluray because they will have to partner up with Sony and it is not good for their ecosystem..but what do I know hehe..never owned an apple product :D
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I still can't digest what might be the implication on those news.I had a little Blu ray collection and I also download movies. And I buy a Blu ray of the downloaded movie that I like.. IMO, BD's dismal sales in Europe might be attributed to region coding..
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BD is going down baby, that's inevitable, and sooner pa... ;D
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Without BluRay, the source would suck!
Oh well, majority of us got used to MP3 quality, then WEB-DL it is.
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It's not because of the media, you can still have HD video/audio even without Bluray. It's just that they thought it is the best way to take it to the mainstream consumer. But looks like they are wrong... ;D
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It's not because of the media, you can still have HD video/audio even without Bluray. It's just that they thought it is the best way to take it to the mainstream consumer. But looks like they are wrong... ;D
Bluray will be a thing of the past and attractive only to die hard collectors. Those that want to use them as Displays in their media room. I don't mind having a small collection...
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Each to his own I think. I prefer physical media over digital files. I do have digital files of TV series and mediocre movies. But for really good movies I prefer Them to be in Blu-ray discs.
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Digital all the way. Can't fight the future.
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any announcements as to when major hollywood studios/distributors would discontinue blu-ray releases?
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Are there websites to purchase HD movies online and then i can download it to my hard drive? Similar to PS3 games online.
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Are there websites to purchase HD movies online and then i can download it to my hard drive? Similar to PS3 games online.
I think meron but on a subscription basis and you cannot download the movie. You can only stream it. And the service is not available in the Philippines for now.
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i just hope our internet speed catches up when bluray dies.
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any announcements as to when major hollywood studios/distributors would discontinue blu-ray releases?
There is no announcement about discontinuing Blu-ray. There are no plans to discontinue it, and there are no rumors that they will discontinue it.
The point is not that BD will disappear any time soon. The point is that it just didn't sell as well as expected.
but what media can store those HD files if not bluray? not everyone have reliable and fast internet speeds..
I think Steve Jobs decision to avoid bluray because they will have to partner up with Sony and it is not good for their ecosystem..but what do I know hehe..never owned an apple product :D
For now, the highest quality is on BD. Not everyone has a fast internet, but not everyone wants the highest quality either.
In my case, do I want the highest quality? Yes and no. If I really like the movie, I buy the BD. If I haven't seen the movie yet and I don't know whether I'm going to like it or not, I check it out on 720p, 800Mb digital media first.
I think Steve Jobs decision to avoid bluray because they will have to partner up with Sony and it is not good for their ecosystem..but what do I know hehe..never owned an apple product :D
Steve Jobs never liked physical media. When the Macbook Air came out, I thought it was weird that it didn't have any CD slot at all. Now it turns out that Steve Jobs was right. These days, it's weird for any laptop to still have a CD slot.
i just hope our internet speed catches up when bluray dies.
Don't worry ---
- BD will not die soon.
- New codecs will allow encodes to have smaller sizes yet higher quality.
- Combine that with improving internet speeds, and we might have BD-quality downloads in 3GB sizes in some years' time.
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i would think DVD would die first before BR, samething that happened to VCDs
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Download lang ng download...
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I am not sure if Jobs predicted the demise of the physical discs or he simply planned for its failure by providing downloadable content in iTunes.
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Hopefully wag muna agad agad mawala ang BDs. I love watching movies in high quality format, most downloads are not really at par on BD's quality.
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i would think DVD would die first before BR, samething that happened to VCDs
agree mauuna muna mawala ang dvd, malabo siguro mawala ang BR in the next 3-5 years
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The 4K Blu-ray format could be dead in the water
OPINION Sony is losing faith in physical formats
By James Rivington
May 1st
Sony has been talking about Blu-ray in Japan this morning and the news does not bode well for anyone hoping for a new 4K Blu-ray format.
... Clearly this doesn't spell the imminent death of the Blu-ray market. Indeed, the BVA reported as recently as December that Blu-ray sales were still on the rise, so let's not get ahead of ourselves.
But you've got to wonder, if Sony - the biggest supporter of Blu-ray over the years - is losing faith in disc formats and sees no financial future in them, what hope is there of the Blu-ray Disc Association pushing out a new physical format for 4K?
http://www.techradar.com/news/video/blu-ray/why-the-4k-blu-ray-format-could-be-dead-in-the-water-1246497 (http://www.techradar.com/news/video/blu-ray/why-the-4k-blu-ray-format-could-be-dead-in-the-water-1246497)
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Matatagalan pa yan, dahil up to now ang dami pa ring amerkano na pumipila sa Red Box kiosk,
madami pa rin ang hindi nakaka-alam ng digital copies,...
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Matatagalan pa yan, dahil up to now ang dami pa ring amerkano na pumipila sa Red Box kiosk,
madami pa rin ang hindi nakaka-alam ng digital copies,...
That could be true, the question is, kaya kayang masustain ng buying public na yan para makapagpatuloy sa production? Na hindi palugi?
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2-3 years p cguro yan...
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Napakamura ng mga DVDs dito, ang rental sa Red Box ay $1 for overnight,
pag bibili ka naman ng copy, nasa $5-10 ang mga older titles, akyat ng $12-15 pag brand new titles,
matatagalan pa yan, actually, hindi ko nakikitang ginagamit ng kano ang BD,
parang ang dalang kong makakita na yun ang kinukuha, parating DVD ang media of choice pa rin nila,...
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2-3 years p cguro yan...
Hindi lang siguro.. Hanggang ngayon may mga VCDs pa rin..
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i am for physical media all the way. For me, it's the best in picture and sound. Sayang our equipments hehe..
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i am for physical media all the way. For me, it's the best in picture and sound. Sayang our equipments hehe..
Wala naman kinalaman yan sa quality ng picture and sound eh, its just that the best picture and sound almost always have huge file size. So kung ilalagay mo sa ibang media as long as kasya same na same. ;)
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i am for physical media all the way. For me, it's the best in picture and sound. Sayang our equipments hehe..
LOL. Pareho lang naman digital ang content nila.
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i just download small files like the 3 plus gig. imo its no match to my blurays. yun lang ang comparison ko.
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I dl for preview.
I bd for value.
:)
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i just download small files like the 3 plus gig. imo its no match to my blurays. yun lang ang comparison ko.
It's like you are comparing a mini against an SUV, then you claim that the former is no match with the latter.. ;D
Like I said, if you really want to know if there is any difference with the ones in the BD media and the other in another type of media. Use a valid copy, meaning same original source. Heck, the contents of those BDs also came from what? PC and the likes... ;D
You only see a difference(if there is really a noticeable difference) if you are comparing a BD against a compressed ripped copy. LIke in your case. ;)
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Am not blessed with a golden eye & I don't have megabuck equipments. I own a few BDs. My collection though hasn't grown much for the last couple of years.
Saw some BD rips courtesy of my co-worker, MKV files he said. We watched Prometheus on a 32" LCD display. The file was processed by a Panasonic DMP BDT-110.
With all honesty, I was quite impressed with the PQ. It's way better than DVD. Now, will it look the same on a larger display, I don't know. To an untrained eye, the differences might not be that noticeable.
But being a dinosaur, it's still physical media for this old chap. My technical knowhow is simply below average.
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Compared Frozen original Blu-ray disc and Frozen 1080p BDRip 7.1DTS (8gb size).. PQ on a 100 inch screen better for Blu-ray disc. SQ on my 9.1 system better for the original Blu-ray version. Dunno if Remux is same as the original as I haven't downloaded the remux version yet.
But for my wife, almost same lang daw.. ;D
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I had nothing to DL yesterday when I came upon "Pretty In Pink". It was listed as 1080p so I downloaded it. After I got hold of the copy, I tried looking for it in Amazon and Blu-Ray.com. It is not yet released. Is this the trend I'm gonna expect in the coming months? Only Digital file but no Physical media?
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I had nothing to DL yesterday when I came upon "Pretty In Pink". It was listed as 1080p so I downloaded it. After I got hold of the copy, I tried looking for it in Amazon and Blu-Ray.com. It is not yet released. Is this the trend I'm gonna expect in the coming months? Only Digital file but no Physical media?
Ang tanong kung san ang source nyan.. if 1080p then dapat ang source galing sa bluray media.. Kung galing dvd naman hanggang 720p lang..
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Ang tanong kung san ang source nyan.. if 1080p then dapat ang source galing sa bluray media.. Kung galing dvd naman hanggang 720p lang..
It was listed as Web-dl.. I scan it now and PQ is way much better than dvd on a 40" screen. Dolby audio with english subtitle. The transfer is at par with most of the 80's movies that was released on BD.
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IMO the best advantage of digital files is if you don't like the movie,delete.cheaper and doesn't consume a lot of living room real estate,too.
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Google Play Movies is now available in the Philippines!
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Sooner or later baka wala na rin choice, andami na new releases (sa audio) na download copies only,dami now don't even bother to release physical copies
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bluray disc for my fave movies like star wars/matrix/marvel etc etc and some collectibles,but for the regular movies(not so spectacular) digital files.if the movie is great even if i already watched it in digital file i also bought a bluray copy for collecting purposes
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Ang tanong kung san ang source nyan.. if 1080p then dapat ang source galing sa bluray media.. Kung galing dvd naman hanggang 720p lang..
Umaabot ba ng 720p ang dvd? parang lower resolution pa ata.
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parang ang question dito orig blu-ray vs. pirated digital copies hehehe
but what if...
you were to pay those digital files, which would you now prefer: Physical Media or Digital Files?
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parang ang question dito orig blu-ray vs. pirated digital copies hehehe
but what if...
you were to pay those digital files, which would you now prefer: Physical Media or Digital Files?
Good question, especially now that we can purchase movies from Google Play. But where can we store those movies purchased from Google Play?
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parang ang question dito orig blu-ray vs. pirated digital copies hehehe
but what if...
you were to pay those digital files, which would you now prefer: Physical Media or Digital Files?
depende siguro sa price, and kung meron expiry
if konti lang difference sa physical media
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Umaabot ba ng 720p ang dvd? parang lower resolution pa ata.
480P max bro (640x480)
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480P max bro (640x480)
o nga pala. i stand corrected
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Sooner or later baka wala na rin choice, andami na new releases (sa audio) na download copies only,dami now don't even bother to release physical copies
i think this is true for old mediocre movies.. some old movies that are really are good are still being released in Blu-ray disc such as the Criterion collection
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i think this is true for old mediocre movies.. some old movies that are really are good are still being released in Blu-ray disc such as the Criterion collection
I am very happy with the catalog bluray releases so far. Recently, they released a few of my favorites like bachelor party and revenge of the nerds, to name a few. In a couple months kindergarten cop. Mga guilty pleasures ko hehe. For my wife naman bridges of Madison county and majority of the hugh grant films. I'm still waiting for one of my favorites, true lies.
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I very much prefer physical Blu-rays as I like watching special features & extras. I think most digital files are only of the movie itself...
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I am very happy with the catalog bluray releases so far. Recently, they released a few of my favorites like bachelor party and revenge of the nerds, to name a few. In a couple months kindergarten cop. Mga guilty pleasures ko hehe. For my wife naman bridges of Madison county and majority of the hugh grant films. I'm still waiting for one of my favorites, true lies.
True Lies.. Been waiting for it's release for more than 2 years. I even enabled notification for it's release. Meanwhile, HD-DVD rip copy muna..
Battery, Aziz...
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Good question, especially now that we can purchase movies from Google Play. But where can we store those movies purchased from Google Play?
I would like to add a couple of points:
Resolution
Depending on Google's licensing agreement with studios, some movies are formatted in standard definition only. I would not settle for this since I've been enjoying high definition for years now.
Price
I tried browsing some of the Google Play movies available and saw one has the option to own or rent them for a limited period of time. Depending on the title and the resolution or whether you prefer to rent or buy, the price ranges from P43 to P870. Sa BD na ako kung ganitong P870 ang presyo.
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i think this is true for old mediocre movies.. some old movies that are really are good are still being released in Blu-ray disc such as the Criterion collection
Most likely in the future physical copies will be pressed in limited quantities, it has begun na with a lot of new music releases na download only, plus Louie C.K. has proven its more lucrative to sell his shows directly via downloads at a low price that sooner or later a lot of media will be sold directly via digital distribution by film makers, authors, musicians etc
This year alone, as much as I'd like to have physical copies of my purchases, several books, music albums, videos etc that I purchased has no option for tangible copies, strictly download only
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saan magandang mag download ngayon ng movies kasi wala na yata yong Public HD he he he
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saan magandang mag download ngayon ng movies kasi wala na yata yong Public HD he he he
Back to KickAss or Demonoid... I really like PublidHD, almost all of their torrents are in HD..
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Mabuhay!
I want physical media. i want something na nahahawakan ko and if want to check it di ko na kailangan i=open yung tv. ;D
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parang ang question dito orig blu-ray vs. pirated digital copies hehehe
but what if...
you were to pay those digital files, which would you now prefer: Physical Media or Digital Files?
dapat pala ang thread title sir eh FREE PHYSICAL MEDIA vs FREE DIGITAL FILES.... Klan nga ba mananalo ang binabayaran ksa sa libre mo lang na makukuha. so i assumed na when you ask to compare the two media, pareho mong binibili yung dalawa.
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whether it's free or paid, i think that digital files are the way to go because of convenience in obtaining the files, and capability to play it on different media players ... you do not have to worry about damaging it or having a storage cabinet ... in terms of quality, it's really up for anyone to choose, so o don't think it's even a point of discussion - in the end, it boils down to the system you'll use to play it, yung merong setup ng high-end audio system and big projector screens would always enjoy the best picture and sound quality
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Klan nga ba mananalo ang binabayaran ksa sa libre mo lang na makukuha.
Steve Jobs and Apple did just that with iTunes: they beat free.
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Steve Jobs and Apple did just that with iTunes: they beat free.
sa pilipinas? :o :o
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Yes. Why? Do you still download MP3s from illegal sources? :o
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Yes. Why? Do you still download MP3s from illegal sources? :o
no, FLAC files from private torrents have better quality... lol
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Steve Jobs and Apple did just that with iTunes: they beat free.
does that mean the volume of itunes music/movie sales already exceeds illegal downloads?
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no, FLAC files from private torrents have better quality... lol
Hi-def FLAC ripped from Hi-def sources such as DVD Audio are better compared to those ripped from CD Audio..
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Yes. Why? Do you still download MP3s from illegal sources? :o
are you saying an opinion or stating a fact? do you have your numbers? btw, i dont have mp3s, just cds and vinyl!
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Hi-def FLAC ripped from Hi-def sources such as DVD Audio are better compared to those ripped from CD Audio..
Straight transfers from masters could be awesome (not all are). UltraHD Audio (384/32) is coming to the mainstream; I hope the content is worth it.
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Straight transfers from masters could be awesome (not all are). UltraHD Audio (384/32) is coming to the mainstream; I hope the content is worth it.
Wow!! Will there actually be significant difference with those 128/24 downloadable in the net now?
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Hi-def FLAC ripped from Hi-def sources such as DVD Audio are better compared to those ripped from CD Audio..
totally agree sir, big difference on quality with mp3's
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Wow!! Will there actually be significant difference with those 128/24 downloadable in the net now?
That really depends on how the recording was made and if the playback equipment can actually resolve what is in the material.
As with anything, we get diminishing returns. Recording systems rarely work at resolutions that high. They only upconvert for mixing/editing purposes. The main consolation is that downconversion is minimal (if any) with distribution formats this good.