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Home Theater => Displays => Flat Panels => Topic started by: barrister on Jul 22, 2014 at 11:36 AM
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51" Samsung 51F8500 Plasma
I finally got a new, closed-box unit, with an MRT (Mains Running Time) of only 8 hours.
(http://images.samsung.com/is/image/samsung/uk_PS51F8500STXXU_571_Front_black_thumb?$L2-Gallery$)
AR Filter & Uniformity
After avoiding AR (anti-reflective) filters for as long as possible, I finally gave in and purchased my first plasma TV with external AR filter.
Plasma filters are high-tech films attached on the plasma panel glass internally and externally. The objective of the internal filter is to darken black levels while allowing the picture's brightness to pass through. On the other hand, the external filter blocks out external light, while also allowing the picture's brightness to pass through.
The problem with filters is that none of them works perfectly. Any amount of filtering will always worsen picture quality, since you're always placing an impurity between you and the picture. Thankfully, the AR filter on this TV works as well as can be expected, given the inherent limitations of any filter, and I'm happy with its performance.
Screen uniformity is excellent on my unit.
No dead/stuck pixels so far, thankfully.
I've read about vertical lines on Panasonics and horizontal lines on Samsungs, which are imperfections caused by automated rollers used in applying the filter film on the glass panel. My unit has no lines, although I've read about F8500 Sammys with very minor horizontal lines.
My old Sammy 51E550 had slight green and pink tinge, caused by a lower-quality internal filter. But on this 51F8500, I have no filter discolorations.
The major side-effect of this external filter, however, is darkening of the screen when viewed from an extreme vertical angle, an unavoidable result of louvre filters. It's not possible to view the screen at an extreme vertical angle from a regular viewing distance, so there will be no problems when viewing from maybe 6 feet away or more. But there will be screen darkening when viewing from the floor at a distance of about 3 feet or closer, so kids who like to sit up close to the screen will experience excessive screen darkening.
BI, IR, Phosphor Lag, Posterization
BI (burn-in) is a non-issue for plasmas these days, so there's no need to worry about it.
However, IR (image retention) is still an issue, and I immediately noticed quick-onset IR on this unit. It only takes seconds for IR to set in, but it also goes away very quickly.
I'm absolutely sure that serious long-term IR is possible on this model, since I've seen it myself on a Sammy 51F8500 display/demo unit sold to me by SM Megamall (now returned and refunded). Nevertheless, I'm still not too worried about long-term IR, since the unit I got from SM was set to store mode, where the unit was displaying Samsung logos during store hours at dynamic settings. With an MRT of 1,920 hours on that unit, it would have been torture for any plasma TV.
Green phosphor lag has been a non-issue on plasma TVs for a long time, and it's still a non-issue on this TV. Anyone who can see phosphor lag on this TV must have extremely sensitive eyes.
Posterization performance is excellent on this TV. Slight posterization on my old Sammy 51E550 appeared only on the most demanding scenes, but on this TV, I can't find any posterization whatsoever.
Dark and Bright
Black levels in a dark room are very good, thanks to its low MLL (minimum luminance level, reportedly at .001 fL); black levels in a bright room are also very good, due to the aggressive louvre filter.
I have no way of doing a side-by side black level comparison with a Kuro and a Panny ZT60, so I had to rely on foreign forum discussions. And on those forums, the consensus is that the Panny ZT60 beats the Sammy F85000, while the Kuro still beats the Panny ZT60.
While Kuro and ZT60 still have better black levels, that's about the only aspect where they're superior. The Sammy F8500 may have higher black levels, but it's only very slightly higher. Factor in this TV's extreme brightness, and contrast ratio becomes unbeatable --- better than any plasma TV ever made.
The advantage of the bright panel is that it makes this TV a very versatile set, perfoming well in total darkness or extreme brightness.
In my case, since my TV is in a dark room, I don't think the extremely bright panel will be of any useful advantage. In fact, what I'm seeing is a disadvantage, since I notice that in some predominantly dark scenes with small spots of brightness, the bright spots seem too bright, making the stark contrast look a bit unnatural.
At any rate, I'm now doing a 100-hour break-in after updating to the latest firmware, so I will still have to see if I'm going to have some improvement on that issue.
Motion Performance
I'm very particular about motion performance, and I'm happy to report that motion on this unit is excellent, even if it has a minor quirk.
There is a known bug on this series, where turning off Cinema Smooth engages Motion Judder Cancellation, even if MJC is off. To disengage MJC, you have to access it and turn it off (even if it's already off). It's an easy workaround, but still a minor annoyance.
24p 96Hz works as well as on my old Sammy 51E550, which means it's still very good.
Users looking for smooth, judder-free motion at 24p 96Hz will be disappointed, since judder is still present. However, judder is supposed to be present on 24p 96Hz, but it's the "good judder" found on real 24fps film. So if you know how triple-shuttter 24fps film is supposed to look like, I assure you that you'll be happy with 24p 96Hz on this unit.
Color & Sharpness
No problems with color and tint on this unit.
Samsung plasmas have traditionally been better than Panasonic plasmas as regards color accuracy, so you can be sure that color is already excellent out of the box. Blacks are neutral --- none of the reddish black levels usually complained about on Kuros.
What is astounding about this TV is the sharpness. I've always liked a tack-sharp picture, but I'm also sensitive to the fake sharpness of edge enhancements.
I normally set sharpness very high, a little higher than half the setting range, as sharp as possible without causing obvious edge enhancement. But with this TV, a low sharpness setting gives you a true and natural clarity that convinces you that this panel was really built from the ground up rather than simply tweaked.
Conclusion
I'll post more comments after my break-in.
From my experience, Sammy plasma looks better with age, initially looking a little too "digital," then later looking a bit more film-like.
For now, all I can say is that this is a cracking good TV.
Positives --- Brightness still can't come anywhere close to an LED TV's searing brightness, of course, but it's extremely bright for a plasma TV, without overblowing whites or crushing blacks. Great performance in a bright or dark room; highest contrast ratio; outstanding sharpness; accurate colors out of the box; excellent motion cadence on 24p.
Negatives --- The last Panny plasmas still had slightly better blacks; comes with only one hard-to-use smart bluetooth remote (no regular remote); comes loaded with so many features that I will never use; a bit less "film-like" than Panny plasmas; AR filter is too aggressive.
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Congrats Attorney! How is the SmartTV function of the unit?
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Did they ever release the 60in variant here?
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Congrats Attorney! How is the SmartTV function of the unit?
Salamat, bosing!
Better design than the older Samsung Smart Hub.
But I never liked Smart functions on TVs. Aliw lang sa umpisa, tapos wala na. :(
Did they ever release the 60in variant here?
AFAIK, 51 and 64 lang.
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For those who have this model series, don't worry about firmware update glitches.
Siyempre nakaka nerbiyos ang firmware flashing, baka ma-brick o magkaproblema ang picture.
May mga LED kasi sila in the past na nagkaroon ng defective firmware. Pero ok naman ito.
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congrats sir ... really nice unit, the best of the last plasma models manufactured
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Congrats! Where did you get and how much again? Thanks.
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Ok na, found the answer in another thread.
Paste ko lang dito, in case may similar query. :)
"Samsung plasma 51F8500, brand new, closed-box, 8 hours MRT.
P72,199 cash, COD, with free Samsung Blu-ray 3D HTiB, also new and closed-box. Value of the free HTiB cannot be deducted from the price."
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congrats sir ... really nice unit, the best of the last plasma models manufactured
Salamat bossing!
Congrats! Where did you get and how much again? Thanks.
Salamat brader!
Kumpletuhin ko na rin, para sa ibang readers:
Sa Anson's Makati ko nabili, yung pinakamalaking store nila, in front of Landmark.
Sabi ng clerk, may 2 closed-box brand new 51F8500 pa raw sila in stock in the store premises.
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Picture picture!
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Next week siguro sir, tapusin ko muna break in.
Ang observation ko sa IR, ang break-in sa TV na ito ay nakaka-improve ng IR. Quick-onset IR ay pareho rin --- ganong kabilis din magkaroon ng IR. Pero mas mabilis nang mawala yung IR ngayon. Around 75 hours break in pa lang ako so far.
I'm presently trying to figure out the Cinema Smooth (24p, 96Hz) behavior before posting my findings.
Ganda sana ng motion cadence ng 96Hz, pero may minor bug pala. Ang tunay na problem-free behavior ay yung low-tech 60Hz 2:3 pulldown, kung OK lang sa user ang telecine judder.
Wala yatang perfect performance sa 24p and 23.976p, laging may minor issue.
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How do you break it in? Whitewash for extended periods?
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Just run it normally on medium settings with no static image on screen.
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That's right.
White wash is not for breaking in, it's supposed to remove phosphor burn. But in reality, it doesn't remove the burned portions, it just burns everything on-screen to make the burned areas less noticeable. Not recommended for break-in purposes.
I think white wash is found on LG plasmas. Samsung has the "scrolling" function which I think is a better idea.
I just use freeview aerial antenna GMA or ABS-CBN to make sure I'm tuned in to a reliable station. Zoom to maximum to make sure all station logos are cropped out.
Cable TV is unreliable, sometimes without signal. OK lang kung white noise lang ang lilitaw, pero ang Samsung, may pop-up message na lumalabas pag walang signal.
All picture settings should be at midpoint or lower. Too high and it's unsafe. Too low is safer, but you will need a longer break-in period.
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How many hours are you doing the break in, btw? I only did 100 hours. Nainip na ko, eh, hehe.
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100 hours din sir.
Wala namang definite hours for break-in. Arbitrary figure lang ang 100 hours minimum. Parang naging concession lang ng mga plasma enthusiasts, without any scientific basis.
Hindi na nga required ang break-in for plasmas since around 2008. Recommended lang.
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Hows the audio quality, brod?
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Audio quality is good, for a flat panel.
In other words, it's still awful. ;D
But good enough, given the limitations of speaker size, enclosure size and downfiring position. It's loud, distortion-free, and clear enough.
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congrats sir! its a very nice unit :) Have you heard of DNice slides. I used that in breaking in my vt60, so far kahit matagal na may static images hindi ko naging problema ang burn in images, i run it for 4 straight days.
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I've heard of D-Nice slides, but I haven't seen it yet.
Maganda nga siguro yon sir.
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Wow congrats!
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Wow congrats!
Salamat brader!
Picture picture!
Tapos na break-in ko sir. Eto konting pics:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/720x480q90/661/wjYRTp.jpg)
If not wall-mounted, the user will need a table-top wide enough to accommodate the width of the stand.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/720x480q90/540/skmfky.jpg)
Samsung calls the frame and stand design the One Body Form, supposedly "created from a single piece of metal" --- NOT! :D
It's true that the stand is metal - it's anodized aluminum. However, the TV frame is just plastic, although with a nice brushed finish that looks like anodized aluminum. Which is why there's a noticeable color difference between the two materials.
I didn't like the stand design in pictures, but surprisingly, it actually looks good in person. I like it way better than the chicken feet stand, that's for sure.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/720x480q90/536/cAn5B9.jpg)
My bias lighting setup since 2006 --- bulb on a socket with built-in switch, attached to the back panel with a small 3M Command Hook. Formerly a night light 3-Watt CCFL bulb, now a 1-Watt LED bulb. No bias light setup can be simpler.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/720x480q90/536/ptPvkM.jpg)
Don Vito ... :D
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simply gorgeous....i wonder whats with the bulb or led at the back of the F8500? does it improve the PQ more?
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Thanks!
...i wonder whats with the bulb or led at the back of the F8500? does it improve the PQ more?
Well, yes and no.
The bias light does not give you a true picture improvement. However, it does give you the perception of a better picture.
The primary purpose of bias lighting is reduction of eye strain in a dark room. During dark scenes, the positive side-effect is the perception of deeper black levels, by providing some surrounding brightness that contrasts with the dark picture on-screen.
We have an old and long thread about it here: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,72590.210.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,72590.210.html)
Here's one of my posts on that thread:
I disagree with the Philips Ambilight concept of backlighting. The bias light should be constant, not automatically adjusting; and pure white, not multi-colored.
The purpose of bias lighting is to reduce eye stran. Eye pupils dilate and contstrict depending on the levels of light. When viewing TV in a dark room, the eye has to go from a bright spot in the center of vision (bright scene), to pitch black (dark scene), and the pupils adjust accordingly. Eventually, the eye muscles become fatigued, causing eye strain and headaches.
The solution is a constant bias light behind the display, so that the light fluctuation in a dark room is kept to a minimum. As a result, the pupils do not dilate too much even during dark scenes, because the bias light provides the additional lighting that will prevent the pupils from dilating in the extreme.
An ideal bias light should be a pure white light, so as not to affect the purity of the colors on a calibrated monitor. The idea is to present a neutral color, which can be achieved by using a bulb with a color temperature of 6500K, more or less. The color of the wall behind the screen should also be neutral (white or a neutral gray), so as not to affect the 6500K color temperature of the light cast on the back wall.
As for the brightness of the bias light, the usual recommendation is 5-10% of the total light output of the display. Similarly, the SMPTE (Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers) recommends a backlighting of less than 10% of the peak white output of the display.
If you like the Philips Ambilight concept because it looks cool, then that's fine. But if you're interested in calibrated color accuracy, then you should look elsewhere.
(Ideal-Lume is the industry standard: http://www.cinemaquestinc.com/ideal_lume.htm (http://www.cinemaquestinc.com/ideal_lume.htm))
I'm not too interested in Ideal-Lume, since I don't have a neutral-colored wall behind my TV anyway. So I'm happy with my cheap solution.
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Nakanamboogie! Ang sexy!
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Sir Barrister,
Nabenta mo na yung 51e550 model ninyo or are you still using it? :) Did you compare it side by side?
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Thanks atty. that's a very informative idea. I will try that one too. I don't know about me but the TV commands attention when it's off the screen is so jet black. One time my folks come visit me and they wonder why the TV panel is so pitch black? lol, I really love this TV no regrets at all actually i was grounded for obtaining this wonderful TV hangang ngayon galit parin si misis. hehehehe...
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Skooter, when and where did you get yours?
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Oo nga naman. Bakit tahimik yung ibang F8500 owners?
Sir Skooter, kuwentuhan tayo tungkol sa bugs ng TV na to. Unless ayaw mong malaman yung mga bugs... :D Ako kasi, mas interesado ako sa mga depekto :P ;D .
Nakanamboogie! Ang sexy!
Salamat, kapatid!
Sir Barrister,
Nabenta mo na yung 51e550 model ninyo or are you still using it? :) Did you compare it side by side?
Nabenta na sir.
No side-by-side comparison, wala kasi akong space.
Pero sa akin, maganda rin ang series 5 Sammy plasmas.
Pangit ang series 4, kasi 720p na maliliit ang pixels, kitang-kita ko ang interpixel spaces. Pero ang series 5, 1080p na, walang problema sa vertical stripes and dimness. Maganda ang series 5 na E (2012), and F (2013); siguradong maganda rin ang H (2014).
Kaya nga ang haba na ng thread ng 51F5000, the most popular plasma these days.
Ito ang mga napansin ko sa 51E550, compared with 51F8500:
- E550, may green blob, pero slight lang naman. Mapapansin nang konti sa snow and desert scenes like Seven Years in Tibet and Lawrence of Arabia.
- E550, may konting posterization, pero konting-konti lang, much better than Panasonic. Happy na nga ako, kasi nasanay na ako sa Panny posterization. Pero sa F8500, pag nakakita ako ng posterization, siguradong grabe na ang posterization sa source material. Yan ang nakita ko sa The Illusionist --- malala na talaga ang posterization sa source material niyan, pero halos walang posterization pag pinanood mo sa F8500.
- E550 has lighter black levels than F8500, as expected. But for me, E550 black levels are good enough. Ang reference ko kasi ay movie theater picture. Hindi naman maitim ang black levels sa sinehan, talong talo pa nga ng kahit mga low-end plasma TV. Kaya ok na sa akin ang E550 black levels. AFAIK, F5500 has double the black level darkness of the E550. Kung pareho lang ang plasma panel ng F5500 sa F5000, e di ayos na ayos ang F5000.
I don't know about me but the TV commands attention when it's off the screen is so jet black. One time my folks come visit me and they wonder why the TV panel is so pitch black?
The screen really is very dark when the TV is off.
When your guests ask why the screen is so black, tell them it's just the filter film attached to the front glass ;) .
lol, I really love this TV no regrets at all actually i was grounded for obtaining this wonderful TV hangang ngayon galit parin si misis. hehehehe...
:D
No regrets nga talaga... Sabihin mo ke misis, sulit yan, kasi it's the best TV in the world lang naman, discounted prices pa.
Next year, wala ka nang makukuhang bago niyan, kung hindi display model, returned open-box na.
Thanks atty. that's a very informative idea.
The only 1-Watt LED bulb available around 2 years ago was the Philips DecoLED. Walang kuwenta, ang mahal pa --- P325. Typical LED color pa --- yun bang ang white ay grayish-bluish.
Makikita mo ang ganong color sa white LED christmas lights and white areas of LED signages in the malls.
Internal filter lang naman ang kailangan para maging white ang LED bulb, hindi pa nila magawa. LED backlight nga ng TVs and PC monitors, walang problema sa color. Ito naman, bumbilya na lang nga, panis pa :P .
Ngayon, meron nang Akari (local brand, China OEM siguro). Last month, I bought an Akari 1-Watt LED bulb (Akari ALED-GL1DL-F), mas maganda ang color, closer to 6500K temp (slightly yellowish rather than gray-blue). Mura lang. Sa True Value, P199.75, buy one take one pa.
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atty. basta ang pinaka puti na liwanag yung ang the best to picked? kasi can't tell visually if its luminance or color temp. is near 6500k.
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Skooter, when and where did you get yours?
sa samsung concept store sa cebu sir, for 85k comes with a HTIB na sammy din but i sold it out. bought last year november.
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sa samsung concept store sa cebu sir, for 85k comes with a HTIB na sammy din but i sold it out. bought last year november.
Bakit yung free HTiB ko, walang pumapansin sa Marketplace thread? >:( :D
3D Blu-ray din? Magkano benta mo sir?
atty. basta ang pinaka puti na liwanag yung ang the best to picked? kasi can't tell visually if its luminance or color temp. is near 6500k.
Hindi ko rin naman alam ang exact 6500K, I just have some idea about how it should look like.
No, 6500K is not pure white. Slightly yellowish pa nga (but very slight lang).
That's why the average user thinks the whites of a calibrated TV look too yellow. Ang hindi nila alam, yun na pala ang tamang white na 6500 Kelvin.
Nasanay lang sa mga TV sa appliance store showrooms. Ang vivid mode kasi, ang setting ng white ay bluish, in order to make the whites seem brighter. The TV shoppers are impressed with the searing bright whites on the showroom floor, that's why the marketing department of the different brands prefer to demo a cooler color temperature.
(http://www.shininglighting.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/colortemperature_clip.jpg)
Pag halatang bluish na ang color, around 8000+ Kelvin na yon.
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Bro, how is the cable tv performance? OK ba?
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Yes, ayos yan sir.
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Tnanks! Binebenta ko na yung papalitan. Hehehe.
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Buy from Anson's Makati. Garantisadong brand new.
Mahirap nang humanap ng bago niyan. Sa SM Appliance, all branches in Metro Manila, garantisadong display unit... :D
Yung luma ko binenta ko agad. Natakot kasi ako, baka wala nang abutan na new stock.
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Thanks Chief!
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mga 2 weeks ago, may available sa ansons pasong tamo ext, selling at 70k cash brand new, may 2 units daw na available pa,
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Thanks for the advise brod!
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no problem bro, welcome
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Do you guys experience your units going on a screen saver when watching? Screen goes blank and a small samsung logo appears which goes around the screen. Happened to me alot of times while watching on zoom mode during break-in process.
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Uy, nakabili na! Congrats, sir!
No, hindi ko pa na-experience yan. Baka settings lang.
Hindi ko kaharap yung TV ngayon, kaya hindi ako sure, pero try mo na rin kung tama ba: System > Screen Burn Protection > Auto Protection Time.
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Mas mabagal pala nang konti ang video processing pag naka Cinema Smooth.
Magandang sync test yung home-made clip ni EditorSean: http://editorsean.com/blog/49-audiovideosynctest (http://editorsean.com/blog/49-audiovideosynctest)
(http://editorsean.com/images/stories/misc/av_off_sync.png)
I use his AV alignment test on portable USB hard disc and WDTV player.
Disadvantage ay 25fps frame rate only. Pero maganda ang alignment test niya, kasi mas madaling mag fine-tune, compared with a regular sync test na alanganin pa rin ako kung tama na ba ang delay adjustment ko, o mali pa rin.
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Thanks bro!
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Saan may available 64 inch units? and how much na ngayon?
Sana meron pa
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Ansons Makati and Cash and Carry, brod.
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Thanks revskie! deciding between this and LG's oled
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Please post to inform us in case you decide to buy the OLED.
I'm sure maraming interesado, kasi AFAIK, you will be the first here to have an OLED TV.
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Magkano ang 64" model? Nabasa ko lang yung price ng 51".
thanks!
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Please post to inform us in case you decide to buy the OLED.
I'm sure maraming interesado, kasi AFAIK, you will be the first here to have an OLED TV.
Sure! Big downside sa LG OLED is it's only 55inches. Di ko masyadong type the curved one while the flat one has good built-in HK speakers.
I'm more inclined to get the 64f8500 since it's bigger and will be putting it sa basement HT room that's dark most of the time. Price i saw sa cash and carry online seller is 155k
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Thanks!
The real downside of OLED is that it's prone to dead/stuck pixels.
Many OLED panels have dead/stuck pixels right out of the factory, which is why OLED panel yield is so low. This high production wastage contributes to the high price.
Even after a unit is completely assembled without dead/stuck pixels, the TV is still likely to have dead/stuck pixels by the time it reaches the end-user.
The problem with OLED is that it is still not a mature technology.
Aside form dead/stuck pixels, blue subpixel still has a short lifespan problem, which is why LG uses 4 white subpixels under a WRGB filter, claiming that this method solves the blue lifespan issue.
But still, their white subpixels are produced from compressed red, green and blue OLED layers, so the blue OLED problem is still there. How long will the blue layer last? We can't rely on LG to give an honest answer, that's for sure.
BTW, I've seen an LG on display, and it really has a stunning picture. However, I noticed that it has a slight color shift when viewed from an angle. View it from the side and you will notice the whites shift slightly yellowish.
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How many remotes did you guys get? I only got the smart remote.
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Thanks!
The real downside of OLED is that it's prone to dead/stuck pixels.
Many OLED panels have dead/stuck pixels right out of the factory, which is why OLED panel yield is so low. This high production wastage contributes to the high price.
Even after a unit is completely assembled without dead/stuck pixels, the TV is still likely to have dead/stuck pixels by the time it reaches the end-user.
The problem with OLED is that it is still not a mature technology.
Aside form dead/stuck pixels, blue subpixel still has a short lifespan problem, which is why LG uses 4 white subpixels under a WRGB filter, claiming that this method solves the blue lifespan issue.
But still, their white subpixels are produced from compressed red, green and blue OLED layers, so the blue OLED problem is still there. How long will the blue layer last? We can't rely on LG to give an honest answer, that's for sure.
BTW, I've seen an LG on display, and it really has a stunning picture. However, I noticed that it has a slight color shift when viewed from an angle. View it from the side and you will notice the whites shift slightly yellowish.
Thanks for the explanation.
There's slight color shift nga and the glass is really glossy & reflective! The long fluorescent light of Anson's ortigas that's reflected on the screen was irregularly shaped too, meaning the surface is not smoothly curved. Flat is still better for me
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At OLED's prices, you'd think an LG OLED would easily win any TV shootout.
But at the June 2014 TV shootout by Crampton & Moore, the best TV was Panny Plasma 60ZT65, beating the LG OLED, 10 votes to 7 (Sammy F8500 was not a participant).
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/result-201406013793.htm (http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/result-201406013793.htm)
Makes you think twice about spending that much on OLED, when it can't even beat a ZT65.
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How many remotes did you guys get? I only got the smart remote.
I got only 1 smart remote.
I checked the Samsung Philippines website --- it says only 1 smart remote is included. I asked the seller (Ansons) if they can get an IR remote for me, but they said I had to ask the service center.
The service center said no extra IR remote is included in the Philippines for the F8500. I asked if I could buy an original AA59-00637A remote from them. They said they can't order that model for me because it's not officially registered on the Samsung Phils. parts list.
But they offered an original AA59-00641A remote, which looks very similar to the one I want:
(http://www.replacementremotes.com/store/images/AA5900641A.jpg)
The buttons I need are: Smart Hub, 3D, and Camera. They're all there, so I ordered it. P1,200.00 lang.
I'll post about correct compatibility as soon as I receive it.
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Nice! Backlit, Atty?
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I just got the remote today. All buttons working. Remote is 100% compatible.
Yes, it's backlit. Pero madilim naman ang backlight, not too useful.
In a bright room, no backlight is visible at all. In a dim room, the backlight is so faint that it's barely visible. In a dark room, backlight is visible, but still not bright enough for the button labels to be comfortably readable, so it's really not that useful.
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New Firmware --- version 1117.0, release date Aug. 13, 2014:
http://www.samsung.com/ph/support/model/PS51F8500ARXXP-downloads (http://www.samsung.com/ph/support/model/PS51F8500ARXXP-downloads)
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Chief manual upgrade ba ito? Di pwede auto download and install pag internet connected na? Thanks.
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Updating! :)
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Chief manual upgrade ba ito? Di pwede auto download and install pag internet connected na? Thanks.
Puwede naman. Sabi sa avsforum, mas reliable daw ang manual updating via USB flash drive, kaya nag USB na lang ako.
Before updating, disconnect all HDMI plugs, but be gentle and make sure you don't damage the TV's HDMI ports when pulling out the HDMI plugs.
After updating, reconnect all HDMI plugs, then reset to factory settings: Support > Self Diagnosis > Reset
Disconnection of HDMI plugs is not a requirement; it's just a precaution. Factory reset is not a requirement either, but it solves firmware update glitches, if any.
Warning: once the firmware is updated, it cannot be rolled back to a previous version.
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Updated to Version 1117. Cannot see any difference though. Hehehe.
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OK yon sir.
Ang masama, updated to 1117, now the TV won't turn on ... (Joke) :D
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Nakanamboogiee! Via USB update? I just did an auto update via web.
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Mas safe lang pag USB manual updating. Pero pag walang naging problema sa auto update, pareho lang ang resulta.
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Have you fixed it?
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Joke lang yon sir. Nilagyan ko na ng "joke" yung post para malinaw.
What I meant was, pag nag update at wala namang nakitang difference, ok lang yon. At least, hindi nasira ang TV because of a bad update process. Delikado kasi talaga ang firmware flashing, on any device.
Sa avsforum, sabi ng iba, after updating, nabawasan ang brightness. Yung iba, sabi naging blurry ang picture, yung iba may random flashes. But after doing a factory reset, ok na daw.
My TV is in 100% normal condition. May bugs din, pero yung mga known bugs lang, walang unusual behavior.
Example ng known bug: Set motion judder control to off. Set to cinema smooth, then set cinema smooth off. Motion judder control activates by itself, even if motion judder control is off. To disengage motion judder control, you have to set motion judder control to off, even if it is already off.
AFAIK, updates since around 1116 fixed eco mode bug, black level fluctuation bug in black optimizer setting, and black level bug when cinema smooth is on.
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Jeez. You got me there. Hehehe.
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Cross-posting:
(http://fivestarbuy.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/l/g/lg_electronics_55ec9300_55_1080p_smart_3d_1028758.jpg)
Aug. 18, 2014:
LG OLED 55CE9300 wins 2014 VE shootout:
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-flat-panels-general-oled-technology/1650169-2014-value-electronics-flat-panel-shootout-results.html (http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-flat-panels-general-oled-technology/1650169-2014-value-electronics-flat-panel-shootout-results.html)
Aug. 19, 2014:
A recount shows that the Samsung plasma 64F8500 got the highest number of votes total and average. After deliberation, both the LG OLED and Samsung plasma were declared tied at first place.
http://www.cnet.com/news/lg-wins-value-electronics-shootout-2014/ (http://www.cnet.com/news/lg-wins-value-electronics-shootout-2014/)
Dismal performance from the 4K LED TVs. Highest-end, ultra-expensive TV that can't even reach a score of "8" in any category.
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Tomshardware reviews the Samsung 51F8500 :D
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-pn51f8500-hdtv-smarthub,3867.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-pn51f8500-hdtv-smarthub,3867.html)
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Salamat brader!
Tapos na break-in ko sir. Eto konting pics:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/720x480q90/661/wjYRTp.jpg)
If not wall-mounted, the user will need a table-top wide enough to accommodate the width of the stand.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/720x480q90/540/skmfky.jpg)
Samsung calls the frame and stand design the One Body Form, supposedly "created from a single piece of metal" --- NOT! :D
It's true that the stand is metal - it's anodized aluminum. However, the TV frame is just plastic, although with a nice brushed finish that looks like anodized aluminum. Which is why there's a noticeable color difference between the two materials.
I didn't like the stand design in pictures, but surprisingly, it actually looks good in person. I like it way better than the chicken feet stand, that's for sure.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/720x480q90/536/cAn5B9.jpg)
My bias lighting setup since 2006 --- bulb on a socket with built-in switch, attached to the back panel with a small 3M Command Hook. Formerly a night light 3-Watt CCFL bulb, now a 1-Watt LED bulb. No bias light setup can be simpler.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/720x480q90/536/ptPvkM.jpg)
Don Vito ... :D
Congratulations!
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Congratulations!
Thanks!
Tomshardware reviews the Samsung 51F8500 :D
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-pn51f8500-hdtv-smarthub,3867.html (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-pn51f8500-hdtv-smarthub,3867.html)
This TV is still getting new professional reviews.
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2014 VE Shootout news items:
2014 TV Shootout Pits $3,500 OLED Against $120,000 LED UHD TV,
And The Winner Is...
By Chris Boylan
(http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/artman2/uploads/4/P1010884-dr-larry-weber.jpg)
The 2014 VE Shootout staff, with Dr. Larry Weber (inventor of the plasma TV) at the far right.
http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/2014-TV-Shooutout-Pits-3-500-OLED-Against-120-000-LED-UHD-TV.shtml (http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/2014-TV-Shooutout-Pits-3-500-OLED-Against-120-000-LED-UHD-TV.shtml)
Experts can’t agree which is best:
LG’s new OLED or Samsung’s year-old plasma
By Caleb Denison —August 20, 2014
... As you can see, the competition was tight. LG’s EC9300 OLED scored a total of 51.54 with an average score of 8.58. Samsung’s F8500 plasma pulled a 52.01 total with an average of 8.66. If you go by the total and average score, Samsung’s plasma appears to come out on top, but the LG OLED won more individual categories.
http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/lg-55-inch-oled-best-tv-for-2014/#!bG7KiQ (http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/lg-55-inch-oled-best-tv-for-2014/#!bG7KiQ)
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OK yon sir.
Ang masama, updated to 1117, now the TV won't turn on ... (Joke) :D
ako rin atty napangnga nung nabasa ko to.. (wala pang joke nun)... buti nalang nilagyan mo ng (joke)
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ako rin atty napangnga nung nabasa ko to.. (wala pang joke nun)... buti nalang nilagyan mo ng (joke)
Ganon ba sir? :(
Next time, lalagyan ko na lagi ng "joke" para malinaw... :D
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Lets talk about settings. Whats the best setting out there for this TV? Is the CNET calibration ok? Im nearing break in period of 100hrs and would want to put in some calibrated settings. Cheers!
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There's no assurance that two TV panels of the same model series are exactly the same, since manufacturing variations from panel to panel are unavoidable.
Therefore, copying the professionally calibrated settings of another F8500 does not guarantee good results. In fact, there's a good chance that you might end up with a bad picture.
The way I see it, a user who has no professional calibration equipment has two choices:
(a) Get a professional to calibrate it; or
(b) Do a basic calibration yourself with a Disney WOW disc or the free AVS HD 709 patterns.
Tip:
If you want to do a simple calibration yourself using the AVS HD 709, you can set color and tint without need of any blue-filter glasses. Just set the screen to blue-only and adjust color and tint accordingly:
Picture > Advanced Settings > RGB Only Mode > Blue
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I bought a bluetooth keyboard for internet browsing.
It's a Rapoo E6700:
(http://www.iphonebutiken.se/files/skarmklipp49.png)
With large touchpad. Very slim profile; rechargeable lithium battery; scissor-switch keys; bluetooth connection is good.
(http://i00.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v1/1593572264_3/Rapoo-E6700-Mini-USB-Wireless-Bluetooth-keypad-Multi-touch-Slim-Keyboard-Touch-Glass-Pad-Touchpad-for.jpg)
Designed for tablets, but works well with my Samsung TV's internet browser.
The Windows "start key" functions as a "Menu" button. On a web page, "Esc" key functions as a "back to previous page" shortcut; swiping the touchpad with 2 fingers scrolls the page up and down.
I got it at Octagon at SM Mega. It's the only bluetooth touchpad keyboard I could find. But it works well.
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I got the Samsung remote that Pekspert is selling at the Accesories Section. Perfect backlighting and ganda stainless chrome finish!
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BN59-01054A?
Maganda yan sir, Samsung Universal yan (not universal as in any TV, universal as in any Samsung TV lang). Ang mura yata ng bigay ni sir pekspert, $70 sa amazon yan, di ba?
Mas maganda yata yan sa AA59-00641A remote ko, napakadilim ng backlight ... :P
Habol ko lang yung "Smart Hub" and "camera" button. Hindi ko rin naman pala ginagamit ang camera button... :(
... Pero paano ang "Smart Hub" button? May workaround buttons ba sir for accessing Smart Hub?
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BN59-01054A?
Maganda yan sir, Samsung Universal yan (not universal as in any TV, universal as in any Samsung TV lang). Ang mura yata ng bigay ni sir pekspert, $70 sa amazon yan, di ba?
Mas maganda yata yan sa AA59-00641A remote ko, napakadilim ng backlight ... :P
Habol ko lang yung "Smart Hub" and "camera" button. Hindi ko rin naman pala ginagamit ang camera button... :(
... Pero paano ang "Smart Hub" button? May workaround buttons ba sir for accessing Smart Hub?
maganda rin sir yung remote app ng Samsung sa Galaxy Note3 at S5
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Meron Smart Hub Button. There is a "Content" button that brings up the Smart Hub window. Yeah. Pretty nice and very satisfied with the remote. Wala nga lang talaga Camera button. Cheers!
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OK yon kung may Smart Hub button workaround.
Yung camera button, hindi naman masyadong nagagamit. Besides, you can access camera via the Smart Hub, so OK pa rin.
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Congrats barrister!
Share ko na rin para sa mobile connectivity. I'm not sure if it's a standard feature for new TVs but I just found out today that this TV supports Miracast. So if you have a smartphone with Miracast, this tv is perfect for smartphone mirroring and browsing. Naorder ko na TV bago ko nalaman na meron kaya bonus na rin..
Can't wait for my PN64F8500 to arrive!
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Congrats barrister!
Thanks!
Share ko na rin para sa mobile connectivity. I'm not sure if it's a standard feature for new TVs but I just found out today that this TV supports Miracast. So if you have a smartphone with Miracast, this tv is perfect for smartphone mirroring and browsing. Naorder ko na TV bago ko nalaman na meron kaya bonus na rin..
Can't wait for my PN64F8500 to arrive!
Wow, 64! Congrats!
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BerryJuice, can you share how much the 64 went? PM will do. Thanks!
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I'm quite amazed by this model, for something that was introduced about a year ago, and I would assume has already ended production, it is still being reviewed and always gets good marks ... this review was just done recently - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/samsung-pn51f8500-hdtv-smarthub,3867.html
I noticed though that the remote posted on the review is not the same as what was posted by sir Barrister
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I think that Tom's hardware review features a model that does not come with a regular IR remote.
The F8500 originally came with only 1 smart touch remote, without a regular IR remote. Later builds for the US and UK markets eventually came with 2 remotes, presumably due to customer complaints about so many missing buttons on the smart touch.
AFAIK, only the US and UK versions have 2 remotes. Even the Canadian market F8500 comes with only 1 smart touch remote.
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This US review shows an included IR remote which is more basic, the AA59-00786A. With Smart Hub and 3D, but no backlight, Search, P-Size, History, Family Story, or Camera:
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1375254254#4 (http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1375254254#4)
This UK review shows a higher-end IR remote. With Smart Hub, 3D, backlight, Search, P-Size, History, Family Story, and Camera: http://www.avforums.com/review/samsung-f8500-ps51f8500-3d-plasma-tv-review.544 (http://www.avforums.com/review/samsung-f8500-ps51f8500-3d-plasma-tv-review.544)
I can't see the model number, but my guess is that it's a AA59-00581A, for the UK market:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B009M8INPK/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1/280-2310378-3358929?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe&pf_rd_r=1CH5W1D0P0BH0TB6RY9D&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=479289247&pf_rd_i=B00F70RRSQ (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B009M8INPK/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1/280-2310378-3358929?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe&pf_rd_r=1CH5W1D0P0BH0TB6RY9D&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=479289247&pf_rd_i=B00F70RRSQ)
Closest to that UK model is the US model AA59-00637A: http://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-REMOTE-CONTROL-MODEL-AA59-00637A/dp/B0089Z7BD2/ref=pd_tcs_subst_e_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=0M6G86HHYBTNGQTF7FZC (http://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-REMOTE-CONTROL-MODEL-AA59-00637A/dp/B0089Z7BD2/ref=pd_tcs_subst_e_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=0M6G86HHYBTNGQTF7FZC)
Samsung Philippines doesn't have it, but they do have the AA59-00641A:
http://www.replacementremotes.com/SAMSUNG/Buy-AA59-00641A-AA5900641A-Remote-Control.html (http://www.replacementremotes.com/SAMSUNG/Buy-AA59-00641A-AA5900641A-Remote-Control.html)
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BerryJuice, can you share how much the 64 went? PM will do. Thanks!
I'll just post it here since I bought it here in US and prices greatly varies each state esp. with tax, let alone a different country. Got it for $2.5k with tax and shipping included. I could've gotten a better deal elsewhere but I can't risk it since the stocks here are running low so I bit the price. There were also better deals months ago but I procrastinated. Best Buy, Paul's, and other reputable retailers and online resellers don't carry the TV anymore and they also said that they won't be receiving new stocks from Samsung.
Napansin ko rin sa ibang online resellers umaakyat na ang price probably due to the low supply ang high demand of these TVs. ganito rin kasi nangyari sa mga Panasonic plasma TV like VT60, mas mahal na ngyon at ang taas ng resale value for a used TV.
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I think that Tom's hardware review features a model that does not come with a regular IR remote.
The F8500 originally came with only 1 smart touch remote, without a regular IR remote. Later builds for the US and UK markets eventually came with 2 remotes, presumably due to customer complaints about so many missing buttons on the smart touch.
AFAIK, only the US and UK versions have 2 remotes. Even the Canadian market F8500 comes with only 1 smart touch remote.
maganda yung remote sa Tom's Hardware review ... meron ng trackpad and likely pareho ng smart remote ng LG which acts as an air mouse ... embossed din yung keys, so kahit hindi backlit madali pa rin gamitin pag night time
one good thing about the review is that their calibration settings could be a good reference
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Hi berryjuice! 2.5K (tax and shipping included)! - Where exactly did you buy from the US? It's still about 3.1K in Amazon plus tax pa; 2.3K for the 60 incher. Thanks!
One of my biggest electronic regrets - I didn't get the 65VT60 for 2.1K on Cyber Monday 2013. It was still 2.3-2.5K when I left for vacation in Dec. Told myself I'd get it in Mar. Pagbalik ko ng Jan ay 5K na!
I'll just post it here since I bought it here in US and prices greatly varies each state esp. with tax, let alone a different country. Got it for $2.5k with tax and shipping included. I could've gotten a better deal elsewhere but I can't risk it since the stocks here are running low so I bit the price. There were also better deals months ago but I procrastinated. Best Buy, Paul's, and other reputable retailers and online resellers don't carry the TV anymore and they also said that they won't be receiving new stocks from Samsung.
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maganda yung remote sa Tom's Hardware review ... meron ng trackpad and likely pareho ng smart remote ng LG which acts as an air mouse ... embossed din yung keys, so kahit hindi backlit madali pa rin gamitin pag night time
The smart touch remote (hi-tech remote with touchpad) is the remote that comes with all F8500s worldwide. Yan na nga yung remote sa Tom's Hardware review. Yan na rin yung included remote sa lahat ng F8500 sa Philippines.
Pogi lang, pero mahirap gamitin kasi konti lang ang buttons, kahit may virtual remote on-screen. Wala man lang number keys sa remote. Hindi puwedeng mag enter ng service menu code.
Ang talagang problema ko, my universal remote for all HT components (1 TV, 1 AVR, 3 disc players, 1 media player, and 1 aircon) is a Philips learning remote that can copy IR (infrared) signals from an orig IR remote. Hindi rin puwedeng kopyahin ang commands ng smart touch remote, kasi bluetooth yon, walang IR. That's why I needed a regular IR remote.
Ang dapat na ginawa nila, 2 remotes included: one smart touch and one regular IR.
Useful ang touchpad for internet browsing. Pero problema pa rin ang typing, kasi mahirap gamitin ang virtual on-screen keyboard. For internet browsing use, the best pa rin ang bluetooth keyboard with built-in touchpad.
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Hi Sir,
How's the Performance of the F8500 TV with the regular cable service. I'm not planning to upgrade to digital pa eh. just want to know how it will fare with the regular cable subscription? Tnx.
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How's the Performance of the F8500 TV with the regular cable service. I'm not planning to upgrade to digital pa eh. just want to know how it will fare with the regular cable subscription? Tnx.
The unit is in my office, where the TV is hardly used, which is why I have no cable TV service there.
However, I do have regular over-the-air broadcast TV there, and all I can say is that I have never seen free TV broadcast look as good as it does on this TV. And if free TV looks good, then cable TV should also look as good.
Let's wait for sir revskie to give us his first-hand observations about standard cable TV on this model.
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Hi berryjuice! 2.5K (tax and shipping included)! - Where exactly did you buy from the US? It's still about 3.1K in Amazon plus tax pa; 2.3K for the 60 incher. Thanks!
One of my biggest electronic regrets - I didn't get the 65VT60 for 2.1K on Cyber Monday 2013. It was still 2.3-2.5K when I left for vacation in Dec. Told myself I'd get it in Mar. Pagbalik ko ng Jan ay 5K na!
dito sa australia may pailan ilang units pa ng F8500 at VT60, yung iba nakakauha ng 55" units for 1.5k so around 65k pesos yan.
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The unit is in my office, where the TV is hardly used, which is why I have no cable TV service there.
However, I do have regular over-the-air broadcast TV there, and all I can say is that I have never seen free TV broadcast look as good as it does on this TV. And if free TV looks good, then cable TV should also look as goo
Let's wait for sir revskie to give us his first-hand observations about standard cable TV on this model.
thank you sir for the reply.
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I inquired about the 51f8500 tv but unfortunately out of stock daw, so what abensons is offering me is their 2014 model na 51H8500 plasma tv for P 39,xxx.00 with free 28" tv. Pero pag search ko wala nun model 51h8500 .
Question ko po, is this a better version of the 51F8500 model? Ano po difference ng 2 tv eto? Is this a good deal for P 39k ? Tnx.
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At that price I think you're just being offered the 51H5000. Not their top of the line 8500 model. You can check out the related thread here: http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,183100.1110.html The newer H5000 is being discussed near the end.
Definitely not as good as the 8500 but a pretty good TV all around.
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Sir sardaukar is correct.
For 2014, Samsung released the H plasma series 4 (720p) and series 5 (1080p); but retained 2013's F plasma series 8 (highest-end 1080p).
Therefore, what they have for 2014's series 8 plasma is still the F8500 from 2013. There is no such thing as an "H8500" plasma.
Abenson was referring to the 51H5000, probably an honest mistake on the sales clerk's part.
The 51H5000 should be good. I used to have an E550 (2012 series 5, with Smart & 3D), and I was already happy with the performance, considering that the newer F5000 and H5000 reportedly have better picture quality.
If you really want an F8500, try Anson's Makati. P72,199 cash, with free Samsung Blu-ray 3D HT-in-a-box.
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Question ko po, is this a better version of the 51F8500 model?
No, it is not.
H5000 is series "5" (1080p), model "000" (no smart, no 3D).
F8500 is series "8" (highest-end 1080p), model "500" (with Smart and 3D).
Ano po difference ng 2 tv eto?
Major difference is that the F8500 has a very high-end plasma panel, with very large subpixels that made it the brightest plasma TV in the world, while still having the darkest black levels of any Samsung plasma ever made. The H5000 has a regular 1080p panel, but it's still very good.
Other differences are minor, such as an external anti-reflective filter; 3D; full Smart functions with camera, touchpad remote and quad-core processor for the F8500.
Is this a good deal for P 39k ? Tnx.
Yes, the lower-end H5000 is a good deal for P39K plus free LED TV. They say it's only P32K without the free TV.
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May headphone jack ba itong TV? Thinking of putting a wireless headphone for nightime viewing. Pero parang wala ata.
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May headphone jack ba itong TV? Thinking of putting a wireless headphone for nightime viewing. Pero parang wala ata.
negative pre
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sana lang available pa to arnd christmas time. planning to get this as my christmas gift to myself... este the whole family pala :)
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Planning to buy this tv kaso , wala na stock puro na lang display. San kaya pwede makabili?
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Try Anson's Makati, yung biggest store nila, in front of Landmark.
July pa lang nahirapan na ako humanap, sa Ansons Makati na lang ako nakakita ng brand new.
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Wala na raw sa lahat ng ansons, puro display na lang. May nag offer sa akin ng 60k for the f8500 do you think mahal pa to considering na it is a demo unit?
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That's a fair price for a demo unit. P50k to P60k siguro puwede na, depende sa condition.
The first 51F8500 I bought was from SM megamall, at P51,960. Brand new daw, but it turned out that it was actually a demo unit, so I returned it and got a refund. OK lang, seemed like an honest mistake on their part.
Hindi ko lang talaga napagtiyagaan kasi may serious IR (image retention) from the Samsung logos on the demo mode. Service hours = 2,920 hours. Sabi ko, kung ganon ang condition, sa brand new 51H5000 na lang kaya ako.
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Sir yung sa inyo ba yung screen to fit function ba is greyed out? Hindi ko kasi ma select yung sa akin.
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Screen Fit is grayed out if the source video resolution is 480p or lower.
Screen Fit is available if the source video resolution is 720p or higher.
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Ok sir Thank you.
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I do hava a problem , yung 64f8500 may 1 horizonal faint bonding during snow scenes or light blue scenes just above the middle of the screen . What do you think , do i need to replace it? No dead or stuck pixels whatsoever . Iniisip ko pag pinalitan ko pa baka mas mapunta sa akin is pangit na unit na may stuck or dead pixel. Any inputs mga sir?
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So sorry to hear about it. That's a known defect on some units:
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/167-plasma-flat-panel-displays/1472672-please-vote-do-you-have-faint-horizontal-band-samsung-f8500-plasma-series.html (http://www.avsforum.com/forum/167-plasma-flat-panel-displays/1472672-please-vote-do-you-have-faint-horizontal-band-samsung-f8500-plasma-series.html)
There's one theory that it's caused by imperfect application of the screen filter. Machine rollers applying the filter on the glass leave a slight horizontal mark.
From foreign forum posts, it looks like it happens only on the 64 incher. The bigger the screen, the harder it is to apply the filter perfectly.
That's why I don't like filters. And that's what happens when gear is commoditized --- too many users without a dark-room home theater complain about reflections, reflections, reflections, and the manufacturer attaches filters to keep the buyers happy, even if those filters are actually more trouble than they're worth.
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Sir if i where you are you going to replace it ? Normal cable tv viewing i do not notice it pero if there are light scenes dun ko lang nakikita . Iniisip ko kung papalitan ko pa , baka mas palpak ang mapunta sa akin.
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Yes, I would ask for a replacement. Bibilisan ko pa nga, kasi baka maubusan ng stocks.
Para hindi naman nakakahiya na papalit-palit, request ko na deliver muna sa store nila, check ko in-store yung replacement TV. Pag ok, pa-replace ko. Sagutin ko yung delivery expense sa pagod nila.
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Sige call nga ako sa cash and carry ansons, pero nung binili ko ito alam ko last stock na nila ,nagtanong ako sa salesman nung binili ko yung 64f8500. Supposing ang sagot sa akin is wala na sila stock ng 64f8500 at led na lang ang i offer nila sa akin should i just get the led?
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Sa akin, last option na lang ang LED, pag wala nang mapag-iwasan.
51H5000 plasma muna ako, bago ako mag LED.
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Sir tumawag ako sa sincere electronics na authorized service center ng samsungs. Sabi ko may faint horizontal lines yung tv tapos nag run ako ng white screen kulay pinkish yung screen parang may blush on pero yung ibang area white . I'm so dissapointed sa tv kahit maganda ang pq may screen uniformity problem naman .sabi sa akin mag oorder na raw ng parts for replacement ayaw ko pumayag , eh tapos na raw ng 7 day replacement eh lagpas lang ako ng 1 day dahil sa weekend. i'm posting here para alam ng iba kung ano yung issues ng 64f8500 , let's wait and see kung ano ang magiging response ni samsung .
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Duda naman ako kung meron siyang maibibigay na new 64F8500. Duda rin ako kung kaya niyang i-repair.
Anyway, kung palitan ng ibang model, baka hindi talaga para sa iyo ang F8500.
Magtiyaga na lang sa LED. Maganda na rin ang LED pag nasanay... :(
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i tsk sa ayala cebu yesterday(walang kasi magawa sa bahay kasi brownout), samsung concept store meron pang isa(64 incher), totally brand new...139k daw but if you bought it straight cash 125k nalang daw...mahal pa rin hehehe..i think by early 2015 this 64F8500(if its still available) cud even go less lets say 100k, hehehehe...
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Mura yan ang benta sa akin 137k cash price sa ansons cash and carry nung first week of october. Kaya i'm so dissapointed kasi hard earned money ko yun pero walang quality control ata ang samsung kahit sa high end models.
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Duda naman ako kung meron siyang maibibigay na new 54F8500. Duda rin ako kung kaya niyang i-repair.
Anyway, kung palitan ng ibang model, baka hindi talaga para sa iyo ang F8500.
Magtiyaga na lang sa LED. Maganda na rin ang LED pag nasanay... :(
Sir yung sayo ba wala talagang pinkish tint on white background? Hindi naman pink na pink kundi slight pink lang. Ni run ko yung white slide sa youtube app dun ko nakita. Iniisip ko kung ipapa repair ko in the event na walang kapalit kaso parang nawawalan naman ako ng gana dahil baka naman may dead pixel ang mapunta sa akin.
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Sir yung sayo ba wala talagang pinkish tint on white background? Hindi naman pink na pink kundi slight pink lang. Ni run ko yung white slide sa youtube app dun ko nakita. Iniisip ko kung ipapa repair ko in the event na walang kapalit kaso parang nawawalan naman ako ng gana dahil baka naman may dead pixel ang mapunta sa akin.
Di kaya sa vid ang problem and not the panel.
sa first day ng H5000 ko, I noticed na sa upper part ng screen when playing the ZDesert episode ng Planet Earth, may two dots na white na parang lit pixels on certain dark backgrounds and nawawala pag ibang kulay na BG.
Sabi ko sa sarili ko pangsoli ang TV na ito, then naisip ko din bakit sa certain BGs lang meron at sa episode lang na yun.
I decided to run the episode sa LCD TV ko and ayun meron din, so sa video pala. Nakahinga ako ng maluwag
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Sir yung sayo ba wala talagang pinkish tint on white background? Hindi naman pink na pink kundi slight pink lang. Ni run ko yung white slide sa youtube app dun ko nakita.
Wala talaga sir.
Pero hindi ko alam yung YouTube app, kaya hindi ko pa na-test sa slide na yon.
Di kaya sa vid ang problem and not the panel.
Possible. Baka mas reliable kung tunay na test pattern.
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Sir meron ka bang link ng test pattern para mai download ko? Pinapupunta ko yung taga service center bukas para makita nya , pero yung faint horizontal banding kita talaga sa selected scenes sa movie pero mas kita sa white slides sa youtube.
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Di kaya sa vid ang problem and not the panel.
sa first day ng H5000 ko, I noticed na sa upper part ng screen when playing the ZDesert episode ng Planet Earth, may two dots na white na parang lit pixels on certain dark backgrounds and nawawala pag ibang kulay na BG.
Sabi ko sa sarili ko pangsoli ang TV na ito, then naisip ko din bakit sa certain BGs lang meron at sa episode lang na yun.
I decided to run the episode sa LCD TV ko and ayun meron din, so sa video pala. Nakahinga ako ng maluwag
Sir sana nga sa content lang yung pinkish hue on white screen kaso hindi eh . Tnry ko sa ipad air at nexus 7 ko yung same content white naman yung lumalabas walang pink na parang blush on.
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Mura yan ang benta sa akin 137k cash price sa ansons cash and carry nung first week of october. Kaya i'm so dissapointed kasi hard earned money ko yun pero walang quality control ata ang samsung kahit sa high end models.
But sir pwede naman cguro refund diba? just in case if you don't like there offer such as exchange it for an LED TV.
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Sir meron ka bang link ng test pattern para mai download ko? Pinapupunta ko yung taga service center bukas para makita nya , pero yung faint horizontal banding kita talaga sa selected scenes sa movie pero mas kita sa white slides sa youtube.
Baka pareho tayong mahilig sa free ;) :
- Plasma break-in DVD - http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/download_main.htm (http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/download_main.htm)
- Test patterns (free, pero professional-quality) - http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-display-calibration/948496-avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration.html (http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-display-calibration/948496-avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration.html)
- Dead pixel tester (for laptop connected to the TV, plain slides din, OK for screen uniformity testing) - http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Benchmarks/Dead-Pixel-Buddy.shtml (http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Benchmarks/Dead-Pixel-Buddy.shtml)
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Baka nga mauwi sa LED TV replacement.
OK lang kung wala na talagang available plasma units.
For me, Sammy 51H5000 plasma na lang + refund of the balance. Payag ang Samsung diyan. Yung 51F8500 ko nga, nireklamo ko kasi display unit, approved for refund by Samsung's main office.
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But sir pwede naman cguro refund diba? just in case if you don't like there offer such as exchange it for an LED TV.
hindi ko alam if pwede ang refund, nagpunta yung tech kanina at nakuhanan nila ng picture yung horizontal line tapos nag video sila. Hindi ko alam kung ano yung kalalabasan either replace or refund lang ang gusto ko. Ayaw ko ng repair .
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Baka pareho tayong mahilig sa free ;) :
- Plasma break-in DVD - http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/download_main.htm (http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/download_main.htm)
- Test patterns (free, pero professional-quality) - http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-display-calibration/948496-avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration.html (http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-display-calibration/948496-avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration.html)
- Dead pixel tester (for laptop connected to the TV, plain slides din, OK for screen uniformity testing) - http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Benchmarks/Dead-Pixel-Buddy.shtml (http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Benchmarks/Dead-Pixel-Buddy.shtml)
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Baka nga mauwi sa LED TV replacement.
OK lang kung wala na talagang available plasma units.
For me, Sammy 51H5000 plasma na lang + refund of the balance. Payag ang Samsung diyan. Yung 51F8500 ko nga, nireklamo ko kasi display unit, approved for refund by Samsung's main office.
Masarap talaga sir ang free , hehehehe... Thank you po sa links. Sabi ng tech kanina now lang daw siya naka experience ng plasma na 64inches na may horizontal banding on white screen tinuro ko rin yun pink blush sa screen , kumuha sila ng picture for documentation . nagawa sila ng report pinoprocess na request ko is replace the unit . I'll keep you updated para alam nyo kung paano ang magiging reaction ni samsung dito sa case ko.
First time ko mag 64 inches pero marami problema like buzzing sound( pwede ko na nga pagtyagaan kung okay yung screen uniformity) , horizontal banding, pinkish white na parang blush tsaka putol ang letters sa bbc kapag analog cable tv.
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Masarap talaga sir ang free , hehehehe... Thank you po sa links. Sabi ng tech kanina now lang daw siya naka experience ng plasma na 64inches na may horizontal banding on white screen tinuro ko rin yun pink blush sa screen , kumuha sila ng picture for documentation . nagawa sila ng report pinoprocess na request ko is replace the unit . I'll keep you updated para alam nyo kung paano ang magiging reaction ni samsung dito sa case ko.
First time ko mag 64 inches pero marami problema like buzzing sound( pwede ko na nga pagtyagaan kung okay yung screen uniformity) , horizontal banding, pinkish white na parang blush tsaka putol ang letters sa bbc kapag analog cable tv.
Horizontal band and pink discoloration, opinion ko, sa filter yan. Parang tint ng car window yan, mahirap talang i-perfect. Walang remedyo yan.
Also, we have to be careful when cleaning the front panel, hindi basta glass yan, may plastic filter na parang sticker.
Malala nga yung ibang series ng Panny plasma, green and pink pa:
Look for the green blob on the center and pink tint on the sides:
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j457/thebayuk/Panasonic%202011%20Green%20Issue/IMG_0722.jpg)
Panny VT30 (2011)
(http://nsa29.casimages.com/img/2012/05/21/120521075959885709.jpg)
Panny VT50 (2012)
http://www.avforums.com/forums/16993902-post988.html (http://www.avforums.com/forums/16993902-post988.html)
May guhit din sa screen yung Panny, pero vertical band naman... :D
Yung Sammy plasma 51E550 ko, meron ding slight green and pink, pero slight lang:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,162437.msg1770757.html#msg1770757 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,162437.msg1770757.html#msg1770757)
Glass front panel yan, walang filter sa labas. Pero may internal filter naman sa loob, kaya may discoloration din... :D
Buzzing sound, hindi ko pa na-experience, pero sa US forums, sangkatutak ang ganyang issue. Normal lang siguro, usually sa 64 inchers. Depende rin sa room acoustics and hearing acuity ng user.
Putol ang letters sa BBC? Don't use cable TV as basis. Use test patterns.
Try AVSHD709 mp4 file (already linked above: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-display-calibration/948496-avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration.html (http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-display-calibration/948496-avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration.html) )
--- Basic Settings > 5-Sharpness & Overscan.mp4
Yan ang tamang test.
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Horizontal band and pink discoloration, opinion ko, sa filter yan. Parang tint ng car window yan, mahirap talang i-perfect. Walang remedyo yan.
Also, we have to be careful when cleaning the front panel, hindi basta glass yan, may plastic filter na parang sticker.
Malala nga yung ibang series ng Panny plasma, green and pink pa:
May guhit din sa screen yung Panny, pero vertical band naman... :D
Yung Sammy plasma 51E550 ko, meron ding slight green and pink, pero slight lang:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,162437.msg1770757.html#msg1770757 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,162437.msg1770757.html#msg1770757)
Glass front panel yan, walang filter sa labas. Pero may internal filter naman sa loob, kaya may discoloration din... :D
Buzzing sound, hindi ko pa na-experience, pero sa US forums, sangkatutak ang ganyang issue. Normal lang siguro, usually sa 64 inchers. Depende rin sa room acoustics and hearing acuity ng user.
Putol ang letters sa BBC? Don't use cable TV as basis. Use test patterns.
Try AVSHD709 mp4 file (already linked above: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-display-calibration/948496-avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration.html (http://www.avsforum.com/forum/139-display-calibration/948496-avs-hd-709-blu-ray-mp4-calibration.html) )
--- Basic Settings > 5-Sharpness & Overscan.mp4
Yan ang tamang test.
Sir paano ba magpost ng picture dito sa thread? gusto ko kuhanan ng picture para makita nyo yung color white na may blush ng pink tsaka yung horizontal banding ng unit ko. Wow , thank you sir sa information itest ko lahat yan . Ang pangit naman ng banding ng panasonic parang mas mapapagtyagaan ko pa ang pagka blush pink ng 64f8500 kasi kung may eagle eye ka lang dun mo lang mapapansin, wala nman green blob yung sa akin tsaka dead pixel .
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Sir paano ba magpost ng picture dito sa thread? gusto ko kuhanan ng picture para makita nyo yung color white na may blush ng pink tsaka yung horizontal banding ng unit ko.
Upload picture to a photo sharing site http://www.ebizmba.com/articles/photo-sharing-sites (http://www.ebizmba.com/articles/photo-sharing-sites)
Then link the sharing site pic to your post using the "Insert Image" icon of pdvd's "Post Reply" page.
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,132172.0.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,132172.0.html)
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Sir ito yung picture ng 64f8500 na may horizontal line.
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Another picture
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Samsung called today .buti mabilis yung response nila sa request ko for replacement . It will take 3-5 days daw to process if approve or hinde yubg replacement . If i where you papalitan nyo pa ba ito?
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I can't see the problem in the pictures.
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There's slight green and pink, but it looks ok to me. Horizontal line, marami talagang 64 incher na may ganyan.
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/167-plasma-flat-panel-displays/1472672-please-vote-do-you-have-faint-horizontal-band-samsung-f8500-plasma-series.html (http://www.avsforum.com/forum/167-plasma-flat-panel-displays/1472672-please-vote-do-you-have-faint-horizontal-band-samsung-f8500-plasma-series.html)
External filter ang cause niyan. There's no way to fix it, since the tech can't remove the filter and apply a new one. Palit-unit lang talaga ang solution.
Di ba parang normal lang naman ang condition? On regular content, mapapansin mo lang yan sa snow, desert, sky, and other similar content with large areas of plain light color.
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There's slight green and pink, but it looks ok to me. Horizontal line, marami talagang 64 incher na may ganyan.
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/167-plasma-flat-panel-displays/1472672-please-vote-do-you-have-faint-horizontal-band-samsung-f8500-plasma-series.html (http://www.avsforum.com/forum/167-plasma-flat-panel-displays/1472672-please-vote-do-you-have-faint-horizontal-band-samsung-f8500-plasma-series.html)
External filter ang cause niyan. There's no way to fix it, since the tech can't remove the filter and apply a new one. Palit-unit lang talaga ang solution.
Di ba parang normal lang naman ang condition? On regular content, mapapansin mo lang yan sa snow, desert, sky, and other similar content with large areas of plain light color.
Actually kung yung pink tint lang pwede ko ng hindi ibalik pero yung faint horizontal line just above the middle of the screen ang nakakainis kasi when you are watching light blue or sky scenes o kaya naman white background tapos mag pan pa vertical makikita mo talaga . Hindi masyado kita yung horizontal line kasi iphone lang ang ginamit ko na pang kuha. Ang hirap manood pag nakita mo na yung horizontal line kasi you cannot unsee it. Actually hindi ko alam na may ganon pa lang problem ang 64 inches napansin ko lang ng nanuod ako ng movie na puro light scenes tapos dun ko lang nalaman na meron palang line nung nagtest ako ng white slide.
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I can't see the problem in the pictures.
buti sir hindi nyo nakita yung horizontal line , problem is kapag nakita mo na you cannot unsee it, just above the middle of the screen yung faint horizontal line.
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gud thing i bought the 51inch. maraming pala ganyan complaint coming from 64 inch. owners but what i like the 64 incher is the excellent contrast and motion especially on 24p sources other than that ang laki nang power consumption nya almost 700 watts peak. you get that high consumption value when watching 3d materials. ouch... btw i don't use my 51F8500 for normal TV cable viewing to avoid unwanted retention image. we use it only for bluray viewing.
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Extrapolating from the power consumption of the 51e550 and taking into account both peak watt ratings, I'd estimate average consumption at 400-440 watts when watching animated 3d movies (very bright movies). And probably 200-300 watts for ordinary movies (or dark 3d movies). It's high, but it won't be averaging anywhere near 700 watts.
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It looks normal to me.
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Gaano tumaas total monthly consumption mo in (kWh) due to the 8500?
... other than that ang laki nang power consumption nya almost 700 watts peak. you get that high consumption value when watching 3d materials. ouch... btw i don't use my 51F8500 for normal TV cable viewing to avoid unwanted retention image. we use it only for bluray viewing.
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Another pic po na kita yung horizontal lines.
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It looks normal to me.
Actually it is hard to see it with pictures . Pero pag video you can see it clearly specially on bright or sky scenes.
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If those quirks such as pink hue and horizontal line bother you especially when watching, I strongly suggest you try to replace it.
Ive got a samsung led tv with 2 corners with clouding but doesnt bother me anyway.
Ask for a new unit! especially for a high end plasma
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If those quirks such as pink hue and horizontal line bother you especially when watching, I strongly suggest you try to replace it.
Ive got a samsung led tv with 2 corners with clouding but doesnt bother me anyway.
Ask for a new unit! especially for a high end plasma
I already asked for a replacement but i still don't know if samsung will approve it.
I really like this tv specially when watching dark scenes , colors look natural and excellent pq. I can't see any led that can defeat it's pq, But the faint horizontal line bothers me . At the back of my mind it tells me na pagtyagaan na lang yung horizontal line pero i paid a large amount of money for this why would I settle for anything less?
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BTW, 8500 prices seem to be back to their pre-Thanksgiving 2013 levels at Amazon.
How exactly do you bring these huge HDTVs home?
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Gaano tumaas total monthly consumption mo in (kWh) due to the 8500?
i use to have a 51e550, the power monthly consumption differences between my current plasma(51F8500) and my previous e550 is negligible to the point i don't bother it.
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sir rafaelluis15, ang problema if they still have a replacement available? coz as you know samsung doesn't manufacture plasma TVs anymore. i understand it cost u 137k on that 64 incher but replacing it w/an LED tv on that price range, i'm afraid there's no LED TV that has a PQ likeness of F8500 plasma. those LED TV that has an excellent local dimming their prices would start at 200k, sony's 65X950B would be at 300k i guess? and it's not locally available.
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only OLED tvs can match the black levels of a plasma. but OLED tvs cost sky-high! :o :-[
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sir rafaelluis15, ang problema if they still have a replacement available? coz as you know samsung doesn't manufacture plasma TVs anymore. i understand it cost u 137k on that 64 incher but replacing it w/an LED tv on that price range, i'm afraid there's no LED TV that has a PQ likeness of F8500 plasma. those LED TV that has an excellent local dimming their prices would start at 200k, sony's 65X950B would be at 300k i guess? and it's not locally available.
Yun na nga ang problema , what if there is no more new available unit? Ito yung dilemma ko , pipili na lang ba ako ng led or i'll just stick with the faint horizontal line. i'll throw the question at you sir if you where in my shoes ano pipiliin mo?i'm not willing to spend 300k for a tv that can rival the pq of the samsung f8500.
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I'll stick with the plasma if I were you and probably put on some lighting when you watch. You don't need to watch in the dark on an 8500.
After a while, you'd just ignore the blemishes on the screen and stop watching the TV and start watching the content.
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I'll stick with the plasma if I were you and probably put on some lighting when you watch. You don't need to watch in the dark on an 8500.
After a while, you'd just ignore the blemishes on the screen and stop watching the TV and start watching the content.
Thanks for the input sir , i'll take into account your advice pero sana meron new unit.l'll keep my fingers crossed .
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my 51H5000 replacement was delivered yesterday and sadly yung replacement meron pa ring dead pixel (ngayon nasa bandang gilid na unlike sa first unit na bandang gitna)
Parang I have come to accept that this is part of the luck of the draw and margin of error in the production of TVs. Since di naman noticeable when watching regular content (except pag solid white image and if you look closely) in nearest viewing distance, parang ayoko na papalitan at baka yung kapalit ay mas malala pa ang problema. Abala pa sa trabaho kasi i need to take a leave to receive the delivery.
in short, wala kang kasiguraduhan na yung ipapalit will be better plus the factor of your TV model having far lower stocks.
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Yun na nga ang problema , what if there is no more new available unit? Ito yung dilemma ko , pipili na lang ba ako ng led or i'll just stick with the faint horizontal line. i'll throw the question at you sir if you where in my shoes ano pipiliin mo?i'm not willing to spend 300k for a tv that can rival the pq of the samsung f8500.
At that price range 137k all LED TVs any brands are all mediocre for me. Why not try a 60inch. plasma F5500 it's very competent model 2nd to F8500 yun nalang kunin ko sir. BTW i think a 64 inch F5500 is not locally available.
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At that price range 137k all LED TVs any brands are all mediocre for me. Why not try a 60inch. plasma F5500 it's very competent model 2nd to F8500 yun nalang kunin ko sir. BTW i think a 64 inch F5500 is not locally available.
sir thank you sa suggestion but yung 60f5500 meron daw brightness pops , hindi ko kaya pagtyagaan yung issue na yun , i had a 51 inch D series before sinoli ko talaga sa samsung buti pinalitan ng e550 or else ibebenta ko talaga yun.
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my 51H5000 replacement was delivered yesterday and sadly yung replacement meron pa ring dead pixel (ngayon nasa bandang gilid na unlike sa first unit na bandang gitna)
Parang I have come to accept that this is part of the luck of the draw and margin of error in the production of TVs. Since di naman noticeable when watching regular content (except pag solid white image and if you look closely) in nearest viewing distance, parang ayoko na papalitan at baka yung kapalit ay mas malala pa ang problema. Abala pa sa trabaho kasi i need to take a leave to receive the delivery.
in short, wala kang kasiguraduhan na yung ipapalit will be better plus the factor of your TV model having far lower stocks.
Sir pwede sa avant mo itest yung unit tapos kapag walang dead pixel dun mo na ipa deliver sayo para hinde hassle , pero if ang problem ko lang is 1 dead pixel at sa gilid pa hinde ko na siguro papalitan yung 64f8500. Horizontal line lang ang problema , nakakadistract kasi pag mag bright and light screens.
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Sir pwede sa avant mo itest yung unit tapos kapag walang dead pixel dun mo na ipa deliver sayo para hinde hassle , pero if ang problem ko lang is 1 dead pixel at sa gilid pa hinde ko na siguro papalitan yung 64f8500. Horizontal line lang ang problema , nakakadistract kasi pag mag bright and light screens.
but you cud tsk it out personally, it has good reviews coming from professionals A/V websites such as AVForums, CNET etc. I for one witness it in our local A/V stores and it's PQ is respectable better than any LED tvs out there.
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but you cud tsk it out personally, it has good reviews coming from professionals A/V websites such as AVForums, CNET etc. I for one witness it in our local A/V stores and it's PQ is respectable better than any LED tvs out there.
sir thank you sa advice pero yung model na yun palasak daw ang brightness pops, pero thank you po sa advice.
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sir thank you sa advice pero yung model na yun palasak daw and brightness pops, pero thank you po sa advice.
On the contraty 64H5000 wala ng brightness pops as per this site:http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/pn64h5000-201403143657.htm
"Additionally, it appears that Samsung has cured the minor annoyance of “brightness pops” on the PN64H5000 (and by extension, we hope also their entire 2014 plasma range). “Brightness pops” referred to a phenomenon where, during a bright scene, the image would quickly “snap” up or down in brightness. All plasma TVs dim very bright scenes to reduce power current and heat buildup – this is called Automatic Brightness Limiting (ABL) – and the “brightness pops” on previous Samsung plasmas appeared to be the result of Samsung’s ABL programming reacting too quickly.
We had previously produced a test sequence (which we supplied to Samsung) which demonstrated this on the F8500, and the same clip plays back without any “pops” on the new PN64H5000 – so, congratulations to Samsung for going to these lengths."
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Tama yata si sir Quitacet.
Brightness pops ended with the D series plasma. Wala pa akong nabalitaan na brightness pops sa E, F and H (no such thing as a G series sa Sammy plasma), na similar sa D series na walang workaround at walang fix. The D series was issued a firmware fix, but users say it either didn't work, or only worked temporarily.
Ang alam ko lang na brightness pops ngayon ay minor na lang na merong workaround. Even my 51F8500 has it --- on 3D mode, 24p source, using Cinema Smooth.
Try it on your 64F8500: The first scenes of Prometheus 3D, using a 60p frame rate --- obvious brightness pops. Set 24p frame rate on the player, and Cinema Smooth Setting on the TV, the pops go away. Or disable Cinema Smooth on the TV, the pops go away.
Note: there's a bug on all F8500 TVs. Disabling Cinema Smooth automatically enables Motion Judder Canceller (MJC), even if it is off. To correctly disable MJC, you must turn MJC off even if it's already off.
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Sir yung model 60f5500 po yung sinasabi ko na may brightness pops hinde yung 64h5000. Anyway, futile naman if meron or wala ,yung replacement ng 64f8500 according sa service center samsung declined my request for replacement instead they want me to just repair the tv . Imagine after ika 8th day dun ko nadiscover na may faint horizontal line .i've been a samsung loyal customer since the D series plasma pero nawalan ako ng gana now, wala pa nga 1 month yung tv. Sabi ng nag process ng request ko magsesend ulit siya ng request for replacement if they deny it i'm going to complain sa dti.
Sayang i'm a walking advertiser ng samsung products , i tell all my relatives and friends to buy samsung products because they are good in customer service and because of this my cousin bought their inverter ref and aircon plus all galaxy note cp's from now on i will tell them not to buy samsung products because if your product is defective they will not replace it.
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kung ang samsung is still manufacturing F8500s wala sanang problema sa replacement.
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Sir yung model 60f5500 po yung sinasabi ko na may brightness pops hinde yung 64h5000.
Yun na nga sir ang sinasabi ko.
E, F and H walang brightness pops. Kasama na ang 60F5500 sa walang brightness pops.
Anyway, ayaw naman pala nila mag replace. Pero dapat talaga replace or refund, kasi duda ako kung kaya nilang i-repair yan.
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Para kasi may nabasa ako na may brightness pops yung 60f5500 sa google pero hindi ko makita yung link now.anyway kung walang brightness pops yung E,F,H, series edi nice Pero wala naman kasi use kasi ayaw naman mag replace . Ilalaban ko talaga i replace kundi irerefund ko na lang , buti pa ang CS ng samsung two years ago madali kausap ngayon nakaka frustrate.
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kung ang samsung is still manufacturing F8500s wala sanang problema sa replacement.
may shop sa shang rila na meron pa na 64f8500 authorized dealer nila yun, if gusto nila talaga ako bigyan ng bago na unit they can easily do it. Ang problem ayaw nila . . Nung ika 8th day ko lang napansin ang horizontal line at nireport ko kagad ,sana man lang konting consideration na palitan nila yung unit ng bago. I spent my hard earned money for this and i think i deserve a tv that is almost perfect considering wala nman talaga perfect na tv. Pero yung line during light scenes or sky scenes can render watching the tv annoying , hinde ako perfectionist sa tv okay lang sa akin khit my buzzing sound , yung internet connection ng smart tv na ito always drops considering yung 51e550 does not , may pink blush on white screen but what i cannot really accept is the horizontal line. Nakakatawa nga ng sinabi ko sa nag process ng request ko bakit hindi ayos ang quality control nyo ang sabi ba naman sa akin is " isolated case daw yung sa akin" hindi ako makatiis so sinabi ko na nag google ako ng defect at marami pala ang may ganito na screen at yung iba wala horizontal line, bigla hindi nakakibo yung nag process ng request.pag hindi mo alam yung issue they make a fool out of you.
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And you don't want repair either? Kung talagang I-re-repair yan ng Samsung, I think they would just replace the entire screen. So good as new I think if properly done. I don't know if they can make fine adjustments kung ang talagang cause ng horizontal line is the filter.
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And you don't want repair either? Kung talagang I-re-repair yan ng Samsung, I think they would just replace the entire screen. So good as new I think if properly done. I don't know if they can make fine adjustments kung ang talagang cause ng horizontal line is the filter.
Ang problema kasi sa repair is what if palpak ang ang pagkagawa? Instead na maayos mas malala? If replacement makikita ko kagad kung may defect or wala and i can easily reject or accept the unit. Hindi naman sa paranoid ako baka makahoy pa yung matitino na mga parts since wala naman ako idea kung ano ang tatanggalin at ikakabit okay sana sir if 1 year na sa akin yung tv atleast nagamit ko naman na at hindi na masyado masakit kung may makahoy. Ang dami ko na nabasa sa mga service center na hindi masyado maganda ang outcome kaya i always opt to choose replacemnt. Sabi nga ni sir barrister duda din ako kung kaya nila gawin yun. Gusto ko lang sabihin na technically 8 days ko pa lang nagagamit yung tv mula ng ireport ko sa kanila ang problem.
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Kung palpak repair, edi ulit ng ulit until eventually Samsung agrees to refund your entire money. That seems to be your only choice now dahil hindi ka mapakali sa nakikita mo sa screen ng 8500 mo.
Just make sure na linawin mo responsibilities ng service center maski sa pinaka maliit na gasgas. Hindi excuse na puedeng magasgasan during repair works because grabe ang care sa handling sa mga proper service facilities.
Ang problema kasi sa repair is what if palpak ang ang pagkagawa? Instead na maayos mas malala? If replacement makikita ko kagad kung may defect or wala and i can easily reject or accept the unit. Hindi naman sa paranoid ako baka makahoy pa yung matitino na mga parts since wala naman ako idea kung ano ang tatanggalin at ikakabit okay sana sir if 1 year na sa akin yung tv atleast nagamit ko naman na at hindi na masyado masakit kung may makahoy. Ang dami ko na nabasa sa mga service center na hindi masyado maganda ang outcome kaya i always opt to choose replacemnt. Sabi nga ni sir barrister duda din ako kung kaya nila gawin yun. Gusto ko lang sabihin na technically 8 days ko pa lang nagagamit yung tv mula ng ireport ko sa kanila ang problem.
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they can't afford to give you a new unit sir kasi alam mo na, yung remaining few stocks must be sold in a brand new price and knowingly this will be their last stocks of F8500. if i were you i would take the advice from sir clondalkin. i understand you just can't accept that your primary display at home is an LCD screen even for me can't go back to LCD TV for premium viewing ng mga blurays natin.
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they can't afford to give you a new unit sir kasi alam mo na, yung remaining few stocks must be sold in a brand new price and knowingly this will be their last stocks of F8500. if i were you i would take the advice from sir clondalkin. i understand you just can't accept that your primary display at home is an LCD screen even for me can't go back to LCD TV for premium viewing ng mga blurays natin.
i was offered by avant a more expensive LED TV to replace my H5000 (with no additional cost) but i did not accept their offer. I won't be going back to gray blacks and irritating motion blurs.
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@quitacet,
Bili ako ng bagong H5000 then swap tayo sa ipapalit sa iyong bagong LED tv hehehe
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Ngayon alam ko na kung bakit ayaw i approve ni samsung ang unit ko for replacement! Here is the text they sent me.
SAMSUNG Admin Advisory:
Good day,. We would like to inform you that we are unable to seek replacement approval for your TV as it was found to be a DISPLAY UNIT. May we know if you were informed that your TV is a display unit? Thank you!
Cash and carry ansons gave me a DISPLAY UNIT, i was not informed of this i specifically asked for a brand new tv, i told the one who texted me , why would i pay 137k for a display unit ? I did not check the MRT before purchase so i was deceived by ansons.
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Ngayon alam ko na kung bakit ayaw i approve ni samsung ang unit ko for replacement! Here is the text they sent me.
SAMSUNG Admin Advisory:
Good day,. We would like to inform you that we are unable to seek replacement approval for your TV as it was found to be a DISPLAY UNIT. May we know if you were informed that your TV is a display unit? Thank you!
Cash and carry ansons gave me a DISPLAY UNIT, i was not informed of this i specifically asked for a brand new tv, i told the one who texted me , why would i pay 137k for a display unit ? I did not check the MRT before purchase so i was deceived by ansons.
string of bad luck yan sir ah..feel sorry for you kaya refund your money sir..give ansons some hell
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give them hell bro!!! very bad biznes ethics, tsk..tsk..
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string of bad luck yan sir ah..feel sorry for you kaya refund your money sir..give ansons some hell
Kaya pala ayaw i replace at nalaman ko kay samsung kung bakit,yun naman pala display unit ang binenta sa akin kung wala ako nakita na faint horizontal line , i will never know na display unit ang nabigay sa akin. Ang saya naman nila binentahan ako ng presyong brandnew pero display unit naman pala.
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give them hell bro!!! very bad biznes ethics, tsk..tsk..
This is my first time to buy a tv from ansons and certainly this will be the last.
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What's your current MTR?
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yeah what's the current MTR? this kind of bad biznes behavior should be reported to DTI sir, you just can't pass this over.
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It's "MRT" (Mains Running Time).
Ngayon alam ko na kung bakit ayaw i approve ni samsung ang unit ko for replacement! Here is the text they sent me.
SAMSUNG Admin Advisory:
Good day,. We would like to inform you that we are unable to seek replacement approval for your TV as it was found to be a DISPLAY UNIT. May we know if you were informed that your TV is a display unit? Thank you!
Cash and carry ansons gave me a DISPLAY UNIT, i was not informed of this i specifically asked for a brand new tv, i told the one who texted me , why would i pay 137k for a display unit ? I did not check the MRT before purchase so i was deceived by ansons.
I don't get it. If the seller said it was brand new, but gave you a display unit without your knowledge, then Sammy has the obligation to replace it with a brand new unit, or refund your money.
Ganyan ang nangyari sa akin sa 51F8500 ko. They agreed to replace it, pero walang available stock. Then they approved a refund. Nagbigay pa nga ng documentary requirements prior to issuance of the refund check. Pero sabi ko, no need, kasi na-reverse ng ng SM ang credit card entry; and besides, naka order na ako ng brand new from Ansons.
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,63765.msg2144904.html#msg2144904 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,63765.msg2144904.html#msg2144904)
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ai yun nga pala MRT hindi MTR lol..but anyway how come samsung treat this guy in a different way? hmmm..
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It's "MRT" (Mains Running Time).
I don't get it. If the seller said it was brand new, but gave you a display unit without your knowledge, then Sammy has the obligation to replace it with a brand new unit, or refund your money.
Ganyan ang nangyari sa akin sa 51F8500 ko. They agreed to replace it, pero walang available stock. Then they approved a refund. Nagbigay pa nga ng documentary requirements prior to issuance of the refund check. Pero sabi ko, no need, kasi na-reverse ng ng SM ang credit card entry; and besides, naka order na ako ng brand new from Ansons.
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,63765.msg2144904.html#msg2144904 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,63765.msg2144904.html#msg2144904)
I can't check the mtr because the supplied remote yung advance one hindi ma access yun. I asked ansons cash and carry if it is brandnew sabi nung kausap ko brand new so binili ko. I think no one will release a large amount of money para sa display unit unless heavily discounted.ansons did not inform me that the unit i purchased is a display unit, ang gusto ng samsung nung una repair lang but ayaw ko at gusto ko replacementr kaya sinabi nila sa akin na ayaw nila palitan because this is a display unit .good thing nung tumawag sila hindi ko nasagot so they sent a txt to me claiming that this is a display unit atleast meron ako evidence that ansons sold me a display unit without my knowledge.
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Sorry MRT nga.
this is the first thing I check before I buy a TV. sa LG meron din paraan para malaman
sa advance remote hindi pwede ang mute 7-3-7 Enter?
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Hindi sir ma access eh.
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Just use any Samsung TV remote.
Yan ang maganda sa Samsung. Hindi papalit-palit ng remote codes. Lumang remote, pareho rin ang remote codes, gagana rin sa new Sammy TV.
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Just use any Samsung TV remote.
Yan ang maganda sa Samsung. Hindi papalit-palit ng remote codes. Lumang remote, pareho rin ang remote codes, gagana rin sa new Sammy TV.
yes it's true, i was surprised that my tiny series 5 led(F series) Remote wud work on my F8500.
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or if you have a Galaxy Note 3 or S4/S5 pwede rin remote
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finally decided to pull the trigger on the f8500 this evening. it was a display unit. had no choice. searched all ansons in the metro but can't find a sealed unit. thought that at 66k including the freebies it was still a bargain.
it was near closing time. so i let the sales guys put it in the box while i pay at the cashier. only checked if the box of accessories was there.
was so excited to set it up upon reaching the house...
then realized that the box didn't contain the "risers" to let you attach the stand to the tv.
grrr!!!
going back to ansons makati first thing tomorrow morning. there will be blood if they tell me that these "risers" are not with them.
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Buy the last great plasma TV while you still can
Samsung's PNF8500, the last great plasma TV, is now cheaper than ever.
If you're shopping in the high end of the TV market and care about picture
quality, buying one now is extremely appealing despite the advent of 4K.
by David Katzmaier
November 3, 2014 10:24 AM PST
http://www.cnet.com/news/buy-the-last-great-plasma-tv-while-you-still-can/ (http://www.cnet.com/news/buy-the-last-great-plasma-tv-while-you-still-can/)
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Agree!
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my old unit was an lg plasma. and the difference is night and day. i can only watch the lg plasma at night. i can watch the samsung f8500 day and night
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my old unit was an lg plasma. and the difference is night and day. i can only watch the lg plasma at night. i can watch the samsung f8500 day and night
that's awesome! I can only watch my Samsung 51F5000 during the day while in Sports mode (high brightness).
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I've been using my 51f8500 since i bought it last March 2014, as of now still great to watch HD movies and HD channels on Cignal.
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For reference to F8500 users.
You might find the calibration settings at the end of the review useful... ;)
here (http://www.tweaktv.com/in-dspth-hdtv-reviews/preliminary-review-of-samsungs-new-pn60f8500-plasma.html)
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For reference to F8500 users.
You might find the calibration settings at the end of the review useful... ;)
here (http://www.tweaktv.com/in-dspth-hdtv-reviews/preliminary-review-of-samsungs-new-pn60f8500-plasma.html)
sa H5000 may nabasa ako na pwedeng palabasin ang Day and Night separate calibrations pero dadaan muna sa service menu.
Is it worth having two sets of calibrations for daytime and nightime viewing as per your experiences sa F8500?
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Tried it once i got the IR remote i've ordered but the Cal/Day menu is grayed out.
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Available pa ba itong model na ito or ubos na din like the 51H5000?
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Hi update ko lang kayo after asking opinions of my friends i will not return my 64f8500 at ansons because of faint horizontal line. Wala na talaga makuha na unit na brandnew , yung curved uhd na inoffer sa akin step down na sa pq pati features step down din walang 3d, what i did is i asked ansons to negotiate with samsung to extend the warranty ng 64f8500 ko ng additional 1 year . Bumili ako ng ordinary rca remote from true value and i checked that the mrt is only 22hours i guess brand new unit naman yung sa akin since hindi ko na test yung mrt before ko na purchase since yung default remote na included is not capable of doing the mute 7-3-7 enter.
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I support your decision.
The faint horizontal line appears on many US units also. Even then, it's so faint that it's not such a big deal.
It's still a great TV --- the last of its kind.
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Meron pa bng available na 51f8500? Ok ba ung 51h4900? Tnxs for this thread ang dami kong natutunan. :)
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Meron pa bng available na 51f8500? Ok ba ung 51h4900? Tnxs for this thread ang dami kong natutunan. :)
Mahirap nang makahanap nang brandnew sir nang 51f8500...
Try looking for 51H5000 sa Abensons and Avant Appliance Stores, its better than h4900 ;)
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wag yung H4900. 720p lang native resolution nun.
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Thanks louie18 and leomarley for advice. :) Ayos ang thread n ito
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Wala na akong makita na plasma puro display na lang ang unit. Mukhang projector ang bagsak ko nito. Pero I have limited space. Hehehe baka next year na lang ako mag set up itabi ko na lang 13th mon. Basa Basa muna dito
2 sa thread.
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I support your decision.
The faint horizontal line appears on many US units also. Even then, it's so faint that it's not such a big deal.
It's still a great TV --- the last of its kind.
Oo nga sir eh. Kaya hindi ko na binalik. Wag lang ako manunoud ng sky scenes kung hindi kita talaga. I've been thinking next year ko na lang ipapagawa.
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So far so good naman yung tv ko. Kaya lang minsan biglang naactivate yung voice command hindi ko naman ginagalaw, bakit kaya?
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Nakakakuha ng voice sounds yung microphone ng TV.
Most likely yung dialog ng TV program na pinapanood mo, naririnig ng TV mike, akala ng TV ikaw ang nagsasalita. ;)
Just disable the function.
Wag lang ako manunoud ng sky scenes kung hindi kita talaga. I've been thinking next year ko na lang ipapagawa.
Ang hula ko hindi nila kayang gawin yan.
Nothing's wrong with the plasma panel. Sa tingin ko, normal na horizontal line caused by the application of the front filter.
Parang car window tint yan, plastic film on the front glass. Yung machine rollers ang gumawa ng line, during the automated application of the filter.
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update 118 now available!
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do i need to update? what will be the difference?
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Nakakakuha ng voice sounds yung microphone ng TV.
Most likely yung dialog ng TV program na pinapanood mo, naririnig ng TV mike, akala ng TV ikaw ang nagsasalita. ;)
Just disable the function.
Ang hula ko hindi nila kayang gawin yan.
Nothing's wrong with the plasma panel. Sa tingin ko, normal na horizontal line caused by the application of the front filter.
Parang car window tint yan, plastic film on the front glass. Yung machine rollers ang gumawa ng line, during the automated application of the filter.
Actually pinag iisipan ko pa if ipapaayos ko or hindi.
Pumunta kanina yung taga sincere electronics na nag service ng samsung tv ko pina factory reset ko yung tv using yung codes nila may nabasa ako na failure sa mga options nakita mo ba sir to ? Ive been asking yung technician pero hindi ako sinagot. I updated my firmware to 1118 kasi yung 1117 pansin ko palagi yung sudden fluctuation ng black level na parang brightness pops na na lessen sa latest update.
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do i need to update? what will be the difference?
ang difference sa 64f8500 ko is na lessen yung sudden fluctuation ng blacks on dark scenes. I already updated to 1118 yun lang ang napansin ko na difference.
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Actually pinag iisipan ko pa if ipapaayos ko or hindi.
Pumunta kanina yung taga sincere electronics na nag service ng samsung tv ko pina factory reset ko yung tv using yung codes nila may nabasa ako na failure sa mga options nakita mo ba sir to ? Ive been asking yung technician pero hindi ako sinagot. I updated my firmware to 1118 kasi yung 1117 pansin ko palagi yung sudden fluctuation ng black level na parang brightness pops na na lessen sa latest update.
Failure sa options on the service menu? Hindi ako gumagamit ng service menu sir, kaya wala akong masasabi sa service menu options.
Kung user menu options, may na-encounter ako na ayaw mag-enter ng passcode ng WiFi. Grayed-out ang "Done" key, ayaw ding gumana ng "enter" key ng IR remote. Nag reset to factory settings ako via the user menu, ayos na.
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Failure sa options on the service menu? Hindi ako gumagamit ng service menu sir, kaya wala akong masasabi sa service menu options.
Kung user menu options, may na-encounter ako na ayaw mag-enter ng passcode ng WiFi. Grayed-out ang "Done" key, ayaw ding gumana ng "enter" key ng IR remote. Nag reset to factory settings ako via the user menu, ayos na.
Hindi ko matandaan eh kasi pina factory reset ko yung tv sa technician so nag access sya sa service menu tapos may nakita ako on the right side na failure so tinanong ko kung ano yun hindi naman nag explain sa akin baka namali siya ng pindot sa mga codes. So i suggest yung mga nagpapaayos sa service center ng samsung dapat ivideo yung ginagawa nya sa tv para kung magkaproblema eh may evidence kayo na ipapakita. so far wala nman weird na nangyari sa tv dahil dun. Nag update ka na ba sir ng 1118 na firmware?
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Nag update ka na ba sir ng 1118 na firmware?
No, nasa 1116 pa rin ako sir. One update lang ang ginawa ko, hindi pa nasusundan.
Iniiwasan ko ang firmware update, delikado kasi yan. Pag nagka problema, there's no way to roll it back to the previous firmware.
To date, wala pa naman akong nabalitaan na problema sa firmware updates ng F8500, as long as you follow the recommended procedure:
1. Unplug all HDMI connections, USB connections, and power plug.
2. Reconnect power plug, then connect USB flash drive for firmware update (USB drive is more reliable than online updating).
3. Reset to factory settings after updating.
4. Reconnect all connections.
Sa hula ko, puro smart functions and apps lang naman ang recent updates. Kung may nabago sa picture, baka bumalik lang sa default settings kaya nagkaroon ng difference.
Nagkaroon ng firmware fix ang black fluctuation, pero lumang firmware na yon, maybe prior to 1116.
Pag may napansin kang error sa existing firmware, just reset with the user menus, usually maaayos yan. No need to reset using the service menu.
AFAIK, may 3 problems na hindi pa na-resolve even in the US firmwares:
1. Brightness pops in 3D setting when Cinema Smooth is off.
2. Frame skipping in 2D when Cinema Smooth is on.
3. When Cinema Smooth is on then turned off, Motion Judder Canceler (MJC) is automatically enabled even if the menu says it's off. To disable MJC, you must turn it off again even if the menu says it's already "off."
Wala nang pag-asang ma-resolve yan kasi hindi na gagastos sa firmware fix ang Samsung dito, ngayong phased-out na ang F8500.
Hindi ko matandaan eh kasi pina factory reset ko yung tv sa technician so nag access sya sa service menu tapos may nakita ako on the right side na failure so tinanong ko kung ano yun hindi naman nag explain sa akin baka namali siya ng pindot sa mga codes.
Siguro hindi rin niya alam, kaya hindi na sumagot. Alam mo naman ang mga service tech, pag hindi alam, sasagot nang bulol ang salita. Hindi mo maintindihan, ipapaulit mo yung sinabi, tapos bulol pa rin ang sagot, tapos hindi ka na lang kikibo kasi nahihiya ka nang ipaulit na naman yung sagot niya. :D
Kung gusto mo i-clear kung anuman yung mga nabagong settings, puwede mo siguro i-reset to factory settings ang service menu:
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/167-plasma-flat-panel-displays/1475066-official-samsung-pnxxf8500-owners-thread-no-street-price-talk-83.html#post24101072 (http://www.avsforum.com/forum/167-plasma-flat-panel-displays/1475066-official-samsung-pnxxf8500-owners-thread-no-street-price-talk-83.html#post24101072)
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Has anybody tried frimware 1120.0 (Mar. 13, 2015)?
http://www.samsung.com/ph/consumer/tv-audio-video/tv/plasma-tv/PS51F8500ARXXP (http://www.samsung.com/ph/consumer/tv-audio-video/tv/plasma-tv/PS51F8500ARXXP)
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Yep. No difference.
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Thanks for the reply, sir revskie.
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Now that I have a player that plays both 24.000 and 23.976 fps correctly, I can confirm that on 2D, the Samsung F8500 displays 24.000p correctly, but does not display 23.976p correctly. On 3D, 23.976p displays correctly.
The problem with most TV and player specs is that when the manufacturer says "24p," you can't be sure if they mean 24.000 or 23.976, since both are commonly referred to as "24p," which leads to a lot of confusion.
This TV displays 2D 23.976p incorrectly. A frame is doubled occasionally, to catch up with the 24.000p frame rate it's capable of. The only way to display 2D 23.976 without doubled frames is to set the player and/or the TV to 60p.
But on 3D, a 23.976p source must be displayed as 23.976p. If the TV is set to 60p, I get brightness fluctuations on 3D.
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I just want to update.
Malas ata ako sa 64f8500 ko, I purchased this last year and this August Nasira yung hdmi port no signal tapos ngayon naman October no power na yung plasma TV. Sira ang power supply, nanood ako in normal condition wala kidlat then suddenly it gone kaput.buti pa yung Sony ko na lcd na 32 inches 9 years na buhay parin. Parang walang quality control itong samsung sayang ang 137k ko I just want to vent out my frustrations.
1 year and 2 months pa Lang yung TV sira na . I'll definitely stay away from Samsung from now on kahit ang high end niya sirain !
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Claim warranty bro.
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Nag papunta na ako ng magrerepair tomorrow ,ikakabit yung Nasira na parts. Yung Sony ko na 9 years old na lcd ang nasa room ko ngayon na never been repaired at upgraded . This Samsung 64f8500 will be my last samsung I will never buy again their Tv's I did not expect na Ganito Kabilis masira samantalang series 8 pa to. Dapat nagbasa ako ng Amazon reviews na madali masira after or within 2 years, yung sa akin nga wala pa 1 year nung una Nasira yung hdmi port.
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My 51F8500 is still alive and kicking bought it last yr. it's the only alternative to OLED for the meantime while the prices of OLED TV is for the rich man only. Anyway you should be able to claim warranty for it.
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My 51F8500 is still alive and kicking bought it last yr. it's the only alternative to OLED for the meantime while the prices of OLED TV is for the rich man only. Anyway you should be able to claim warranty for it.
Ang swerte mo kasi alive and kicking pa yung TV. You should use it regularly so that if there is a problem you can have it repaired immediately , akala ng technician power supply yung problem he found out na main board pala ulit ang problem(dito naka connect ang hdmi).
The same main board that was replaced this August. Ano yun 2 months Lang sira na?no problem naman pag claim ng warranty ang problem is pag na tapos ang warranty tapos masira siya . I found out na 5k yung main board.
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OK pa rin ang 51F8500 ko.
So sorry to hear about your TV, sir rafaellius.
Mahirap talaga sa technicians, usually mga board swappers lang. Hindi naman talaga na-diagnose ang problema, naghuhula lang kung alin sa mga board ang papalitan.
Subukin mo pa rin na ma-repair sir. Wala na talagang ganyang kagandang TV. Sayang, baka ma-repair pa nang ayos. Kahit ibang brand, puwedeng matiyempo sa palpak na unit.
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OK pa rin ang 51F8500 ko.
So sorry to hear about your TV, sir rafaellius.
Mahirap talaga sa technicians, usually mga board swappers lang. Hindi naman talaga na-diagnose ang problema, naghuhula lang kung alin sa mga board ang papalitan.
Subukin mo pa rin na ma-repair sir. Wala na talagang ganyang kagandang TV. Sayang, baka ma-repair pa nang ayos. Kahit ibang brand, puwedeng matiyempo sa palpak na unit.
Basta ang advice ko Lang sa owners ng f8500 kailangan gamitin lagi ang TV kasi Baka matapos yung warranty tapos dun lumabas yung sira ,eh di you have to pay for the parts and diagnosis , ang singil pa naman ng samsung service center is 650 tapos yung mainboard is 5,000php pag Nasira , sayang naman ang ibabayad Kung Hindi na sulit ang TV. Tama ka sir board swappers Lang sila , ang problem is bakit ang bilis naman masira ng mainboard eh never naman na expose sa kidlat yung TV dahil tinantanggal ko kapag meron kidlat. While I was watching bigla na Lang Namatay yung TV . Lumalabas pangatlo na mainboard ko na to.
Sir Tignan nyo yung review ng Amazon sa f8500 ka pareho ng nangayari sa akin .
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Basta ang advice ko Lang sa owners ng f8500 kailangan gamitin lagi ang TV kasi Baka matapos yung warranty tapos dun lumabas yung sira ,eh di you have to pay for the parts and diagnosis , ang singil pa naman ng samsung service center is 650 tapos yung mainboard is 5,000php pag Nasira , sayang naman ang ibabayad Kung Hindi na sulit ang TV. Tama ka sir board swappers Lang sila , ang problem is bakit ang bilis naman masira ng mainboard eh never naman na expose sa kidlat yung TV dahil tinantanggal ko kapag meron kidlat. While I was watching bigla na Lang Namatay yung TV . Lumalabas pangatlo na mainboard ko na to.
Sir Tignan nyo yung review ng Amazon sa f8500 ka pareho ng nangayari sa akin .
if the issue is recurring, you should also consider possible issues on the commercial power in your area, perhaps using an AVR would help protect the equipment ... I know you mentioned that you have a Sony LCD that never experienced an issue for so many years, but that is not a good comparison as the 2 are different technologies, and the Samsung plasma TV may be more susceptible to power fluctuations
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if the issue is recurring, you should also consider possible issues on the commercial power in your area, perhaps using an AVR would help protect the equipment ... I know you mentioned that you have a Sony LCD that never experienced an issue for so many years, but that is not a good comparison as the 2 are different technologies, and the Samsung plasma TV may be more susceptible to power fluctuations
Actually I'm using an avr when the main board gone kaput. So I assume there is a design defect with the model 64f8500 , while browsing some comments on Amazon.com you can find similar cases ,that is happening with this model.
According also to the technician Who went to replace the mainboard they rarely replace this part , they only replace this when there is a sudden lighting or there is some components on the mainboard that is not working.
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Basta ang advice ko Lang sa owners ng f8500 kailangan gamitin lagi ang TV kasi Baka matapos yung warranty tapos dun lumabas yung sira ,eh di you have to pay for the parts and diagnosis , ang singil pa naman ng samsung service center is 650 tapos yung mainboard is 5,000php pag Nasira , sayang naman ang ibabayad Kung Hindi na sulit ang TV. Tama ka sir board swappers Lang sila , ang problem is bakit ang bilis naman masira ng mainboard eh never naman na expose sa kidlat yung TV dahil tinantanggal ko kapag meron kidlat. While I was watching bigla na Lang Namatay yung TV . Lumalabas pangatlo na mainboard ko na to.
Sir Tignan nyo yung review ng Amazon sa f8500 ka pareho ng nangayari sa akin .
Bakit may babayaran ka? AFAIK, F Series are covered with a 24-month warranty. It's in the Samsung website and you can ask their hotline and they will say the same. The 24 months covers both labor and parts so dapat wala kang babayaran. All you need to do is show your proof of purchase, in this case, the receipt.
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Bakit may babayaran ka? AFAIK, F Series are covered with a 24-month warranty. It's in the Samsung website and you can ask their hotline and they will say the same. The 24 months covers both labor and parts so dapat wala kang babayaran. All you need to do is show your proof of purchase, in this case, the receipt.
Sir covered naman lahat ng warranty but ang concern ko is pagnatapos na ang warranty . Yung part na lagi nasisira is 5k pesos, parang Hindi acceptable na masira siya ng Ganon Kabilis .
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mga sirs, can other non-samsung accredited service centers repair/replace the main board. tulad ng iba sa inyo. bumigay din yung main board. i think capacitor yung pumotok kasi may burn marks yung isang mylar capacitor. so i called samsung. may pinapunta naman silang technician. i readied myself to be charged 5k++ for the board replacement kahit na alam kong a capacitor costs less than 50 pesos. but lo and behold after less than 10 minutes of checking voltages. his recommendation was to replace the main board and the panel. i went ballistic right there and then. f*ck. you're asking me to replace my goddamn tv (a panel is just as expensive as the whole tv) for just one burnt capacitor. i called samsung and requested that they sent me a new technician because the one they sent doesn't know $hit. but the reply i got was they will still need to investigate and check the report from the technician.
so ganun, i feel samsung will take the side of their technician. ano ba naman laban ko dun. i am yust a customer and their technician has 15 years of experience (according to him) of replacing board and panels (according to me). and it is to their advantage that i replace the tv.
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Check mo sa olx sir madami technician na home service, I think they charge 300 - 500 for diagnostic fee
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mga sirs, can other non-samsung accredited service centers repair/replace the main board. tulad ng iba sa inyo. bumigay din yung main board. i think capacitor yung pumotok kasi may burn marks yung isang mylar capacitor. so i called samsung. may pinapunta naman silang technician. i readied myself to be charged 5k++ for the board replacement kahit na alam kong a capacitor costs less than 50 pesos. ..........
sir anu na nangyari sa tv mo, naparepair mo sa iba?
mine has the same power supply board problem. Every year palit. bought 2014, replaced ng 2015, then replaced ulit ng 2016. both under warranty. last week ganun ulit. hehe.
called a few neighborhood technician, wala daw pyesa? samsung lang daw meron. samsung service estimated about 8k when i asked. worry ko baka after a year ganun ulit. i searched the net, marami pala ganito issue.