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Title: Jerrold Tarog's Heneral Luna
Post by: edboy7 on Sep 23, 2014 at 02:46 PM
Hi Cyberfriends, We're are doing audio post production for this and all I can say that this is a good one :) Kahit  nung panahon pala  matindi na talaga ang pamumultika, medyo hearthbreaking lang sa dulo :(...kung anu  yun e...panoorin niyo na lang

TEASER here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBAS7l8WHtg
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Post by: jjjeronimo on Sep 23, 2014 at 02:55 PM
Looks good.  I wish the masa would watch more of this stuff rather than the crap that wins at the box office during MMFF season.
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Post by: edboy7 on Jul 15, 2015 at 06:03 PM
Trailer

https://www.facebook.com/Heneral.Luna/videos/vb.1427324627482269/1631323213749075/?type=2&theater
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Post by: halvert on Jul 16, 2015 at 01:23 AM
Mas na-excite ako nung nakita ko yung trailer nito kesa dun sa film na pinanood ko.
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Post by: cHiNo2728 on Jul 16, 2015 at 03:34 AM
Nice one! I hope this film is more on the side of historical movies like Sakay and some of Raymond Red's work instead of the MMFF ones.
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Post by: jjjeronimo on Jul 17, 2015 at 02:41 PM
Looks like one of those films na dapat required viewing for all students (all citizens even). :)
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Post by: edzpen18732 on Aug 11, 2015 at 08:36 PM
When is this showing? I'd love to check it out. The last filipino film i watched was "Ang Nawawala". and it was an excellent one.
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Post by: jas on Aug 12, 2015 at 02:03 PM
When is this showing? I'd love to check it out.

As per the FB page, showing starts September 9.
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Post by: edzpen18732 on Aug 12, 2015 at 02:26 PM
Making a note so i won't miss it.
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Post by: Verbl Kint on Aug 12, 2015 at 02:55 PM
As per the FB page, showing starts September 9.
Is it for wide release?
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Post by: jas on Aug 12, 2015 at 03:06 PM
Is it for wide release?

Not really sure, but I do think so, as their FB page states "In Theaters Nationwide on September 9".

Check out the FB page as posted above by edboy7.
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Post by: Verbl Kint on Aug 12, 2015 at 03:07 PM
Not really sure, but I do think so, as their FB page states "In Theaters Nationwide on September 9".

Check out the FB page as posted above by edboy7.
Thanks! Will definitely check this one out. Paborito kong Katipunero pa naman hetong si Taga-Ilog.
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Post by: Klaus Weasley on Sep 12, 2015 at 11:06 PM
HENERAL LUNA ***1/2
Cast: John Arcilla, Mon Confiado, Joem Bascon, Archie Alemania, Lorenz Martinez, Aaron Villaflor, Paulo Avelino, Mylene Dizon, Bing Pimentel, Epy Quizon, Nonie Buencamino, Leo Martinez, Alvin Anson, Ronnie Lazaro, Ketchup Eusebio, Art Acuna.
Dir: Jerrold Tarog.

Whenever Philippine cinema makes a historical biopic, they're usually little more than live-action dioramas where the heroes are treated with reverence and slavish to history books which makes for an "eat your vegetables" type of cinema. Not this one though (at least for the most part). This film is about General Antonio Luna, considered one of the greatest generals in Philippine history who is one of the key figures in our revolt against Spain and one of the resisting forces in the colonization of the Philippines by the United States during the Philippine-American war. The film actually makes history come alive by actually striving to make an entertaining film first and foremost, painting a human picture of General Luna as a brilliant, patriotic general but a rather huge a-hole. The film has elements of a political thriller and a war movie with sprinklings of humor for good measure. It drops the ball in the end, being a bit too on-the-nose, at least in my opinion but overall, an admirable piece of work.
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Post by: jerix on Sep 15, 2015 at 01:05 PM
Subdued colors ba?
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Post by: tonedeaf on Sep 15, 2015 at 01:56 PM
Getting great reviews so far, but this film is starting to disappear from cinemas. Hope I can still catch this.

When are new movies shown nowadays - Wednesday ba or Thursday? If a new set of films gets shown, baka this will not survive.
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Post by: jas on Sep 15, 2015 at 02:08 PM
^ New films are usually shown on Wednesdays. I am also still trying to find time to catch this. Hope it gets another week of screenings....
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Post by: Papaber on Sep 15, 2015 at 03:04 PM
I do not normally watch local movies because I find most of them focusing on love teams or gay humor. Very much wanting in the story department. My wife asked to watch "Heneral Luna" with her and I am glad she did. It was well made, well acted, even the special effects were good. After watching the movie, you will understand why our country is so divided. What is true then, is still true today. More pinoys should watch this movie.
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Post by: syoti on Sep 15, 2015 at 10:07 PM
good movie. sad, walang nanunuod sa cinemas. knte lng tao.. and to think takot akong walang maupuan dahil irerequire panuorin ng mga estidyante sa school..
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Post by: Verbl Kint on Sep 15, 2015 at 11:24 PM
I wasn't blown away. Perhaps because my expectations were unrealistic. I did love the fact that the film's events are historically accurate, including the anecdote where Luna mentions he almost dueled Rizal. The individual scenes are, of course, spiced up by the filmmaker, but there's no denying the meticulous research done.

I wasn't blown away because, for starters, I thought the battle scenes were a bit awkward. Also, any scene involving an american in it wasn't really acted well. Finally, some scenes felt they deserve to be on stage, like in a play, as opposed to being on the silver screen.


John Arcilla deserves all the best actor awards at the end of the year, unless politics/studio patronage rears it's ugly head.

By the way, please do stay for a mid-credits scene. Hope the producers make enough money for a second and third historical film.
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Post by: jjjeronimo on Sep 15, 2015 at 11:28 PM
good movie. sad, walang nanunuod sa cinemas. knte lng tao.. and to think takot akong walang maupuan dahil irerequire panuorin ng mga estidyante sa school..

The masa kasi prefers movies about mistresses, or comedies involving shrieking women posing as comedians. :(

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Post by: Klaus Weasley on Sep 15, 2015 at 11:51 PM

I wasn't blown away because, for starters, I thought the battle scenes were a bit awkward. Also, any scene involving an american in it wasn't really acted well. Finally, some scenes felt they deserve to be on stage, like in a play, as opposed to being on the silver screen.



Every time the script calls for an American in a Filipino film, I don't know why casting directors couldn't pony up the cash to import an actual professional actor from the States. Is it really too expensive?
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Post by: Verbl Kint on Sep 16, 2015 at 10:39 AM
Every time the script calls for an American in a Filipino film, I don't know why casting directors couldn't pony up the cash to import an actual professional actor from the States. Is it really too expensive?
Could be. I can imagine the plane fare and accommodations alone could potentially eat up a good chunk of the budget.

At the very least, though, they could have maybe sourced some Caucasian actors from HK or Australia, which may have been cheaper.
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Post by: Klaus Weasley on Sep 16, 2015 at 10:47 AM
That's what ruined Ang Turkey Man Ay Pabo Din for me. The American they got was an expat who did YouTube videos. He wasn't a professional actor at all and it shows.
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Post by: jjjeronimo on Sep 17, 2015 at 02:28 AM
Here's a little piece of good news...

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12002945_1650368308511232_3908921502505976054_n.jpg?oh=a271838902ac0433feb8c47997960746&oe=566C7D0C)
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Post by: jas on Sep 17, 2015 at 09:43 AM
Caught a screening last night at SM Marikina. It was good to see that the theater was more than half full. The movie itself was well done, with excellent technical & production values. The social message of the film is quite true: up to now, we are still our own worst enemy.
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Post by: ALICE GO on Sep 17, 2015 at 12:29 PM
IN THE history volume named A QUESTION OF HEROES, author Nick Joaquin contends that despite Luna's personal failings, mainly his cruelty and arrogance, his principles was truly nationalistic. Transcending his ugly aspect, his views has now been judged, according to Joaquin, as the righteous ideals, adhering to putting above else the newly birthed independent land's welfare. This is in stark contrast with Aguinaldo and men like Pedro Paterno, who figuratively sold our independence and the "fight" for it for thirty pieces of silver just to save their hide, or to retain collaborationist powers under the new colonial master. For true historians or chroniclers like Joaquin and the novelist Sionil Jose, men like Aguinaldo & Paterno represents the worst traitors against the people. No wonder Aguinaldo masterminded Luna's assassination and Bonifacio's execution.

For Joaquin there's two, even three sides, to history. He wrote that instead of extolling Bonifacio as a champion of the masses, a genuine martyr - we need to learned too about his little-known conceit of wanting to spearhead a political mass that aspires to govern the land, when he's very ill-prepared, he retreated to Cavite after the failed uprising and wants to be treated as royalty, and he in fact sordidly lost the Katipunan revolution. Whereas Aguinaldo achieved a real victory against the Spanish and if he was resolute enough to kill all of them, including the hated frailes, he could've achieved  consummate liberty for the land.

An "intrigue" surrounding Luna's life was wisely absented from this biopic - either from ignorance or in deference to the powers that be. Its the tale of Luna's safekeeping of the "Philippine Treasury" - in short the taxes and other moneys collected from the people which has to be carried away to where the fledgling and fleeing government finds a safe but temporary harbor. This treasure was told to have been left secretly in the safekeeping of Isidra Co Huang Co, rumored to be Luna's paramour. Isidra is a Chinese mestiza and very deft with money. She never married but it was told she borne a child that when you put A and B together, logically is fathered by Luna. Isidra, after Luna's death, has not returned the money to the proper authorities - for who is the proper authority anyhow at that time, a new colonial master that slaughters 200,000+ Filipinos, or the Filipino traitors who were under house arrest? Isidra's skill in using the lost treasury as capital enabled her to owned several hundreds of hectares of farmlands, soon converted into a sugar hacienda.

If the real story and all parts of it are revealed, Luna's short life is truly storied....
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Post by: tony on Sep 17, 2015 at 03:01 PM
Rizza Hontiveros, CNN Philippines did an interview/show last night,
i did not see it whole but only caught some parts...

http://cnnphilippines.com/videos/2015/09/17/News.PH-Heneral-Luna-Part-1.html
http://cnnphilippines.com/videos/2015/09/17/News.PH-Heneral-Luna-Part-2---Web-only-exclusive.html
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Post by: tenderfender on Sep 17, 2015 at 04:02 PM
This treasure was told to have been left secretly in the safekeeping of Isidra Co Huang Co, rumored to be Luna's paramour. Isidra is a Chinese mestiza and very deft with money. She never married but it was told she borne a child that when you put A and B together, logically is fathered by Luna. Isidra, after Luna's death, has not returned the money to the proper authorities - for who is the proper authority anyhow at that time, a new colonial master that slaughters 200,000+ Filipinos, or the Filipino traitors who were under house arrest? Isidra's skill in using the lost treasury as capital enabled her to owned several hundreds of hectares of farmlands, soon converted into a sugar hacienda.

If the real story and all parts of it are revealed, Luna's short life is truly storied....

antonio cojuangco sr. (lolo sa tuhod ni tonyboy) - yan daw ang anak ni luna at ysidra
(then inampon na lang ni melicio, utol ni ysidra)

therefore, kung ndi naassasinate si Heneral Luna, walang PLDT, San Miguel, UCPB at hacienda...
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Post by: comet on Sep 17, 2015 at 04:03 PM
Wow 9.1 at IMDB:


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4944352/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Haven't watched it yet, mukhang mapapanood ako sa weekend
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Post by: sirhc on Sep 17, 2015 at 04:58 PM

Haven't watched it yet, mukhang mapapanood ako sa weekend

Is it still available? planning to catch it over the weekend too.
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Post by: jas on Sep 17, 2015 at 05:21 PM
Is it still available? planning to catch it over the weekend too.

Yes, still showing in a good number of cinemas.

BTW, students get 50% off ticket prices at SM, Ayala and Robinson's cinemas. They just need to present a valid school ID upon ticket purchase.
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Post by: jjjeronimo on Sep 17, 2015 at 05:57 PM
Word of mouth and word of "mouse" is keeping this movie in the theaters.  I've heard the producer say that they did not do this for the sake of profit, but for the sake of Philippine cinema, I really hope they do make some money out of this.
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Post by: tony on Sep 17, 2015 at 06:37 PM
^yes, so that they can continue making films of historical substance...
these are the kinds of films that we need in the film festivals...
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Post by: Verbl Kint on Sep 18, 2015 at 08:47 AM
Word of mouth and word of "mouse" is keeping this movie in the theaters.  I've heard the producer say that they did not do this for the sake of profit, but for the sake of Philippine cinema, I really hope they do make some money out of this.
I'm part of an fb group with one of the producers. If this makes money, there will be a couple more films lined up. Tirad Pass is probably one of them.
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Post by: Verbl Kint on Sep 18, 2015 at 08:49 AM
antonio cojuangco sr. (lolo sa tuhod ni tonyboy) - yan daw ang anak ni luna at ysidra
(then inampon na lang ni melicio, utol ni ysidra)

therefore, kung ndi naassasinate si Heneral Luna, walang PLDT, San Miguel, UCPB at hacienda...
Not true. This is an urban legend without any historical basis.
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Post by: tenderfender on Sep 18, 2015 at 10:29 AM
Not true. This is an urban legend without any historical basis.

magandang storyline kung merong Pinoy version ng National Treasure ni Nic Cage  ^-^
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Post by: frootloops on Sep 18, 2015 at 11:10 AM
An Open Letter from the Producer of HENERAL LUNA (2015)

I am sharing this letter HENERAL LUNA‘s (2015) Executive Producer Fernando Ortigas and Screenwriter-Producer Eduardo A. Rocha, because I feel the need to make it known that there is still hope in our own cinema and in our lives. HENERAL LUNA is a film worth watching.

You can take my word for it.

This film is one reasons why I travel to Laguna once every week to teach Film. This is the reason why we try to make sense of the art that we see moving on the silver screen. This is the reason why we take time to dig and discover hidden treasures in stories and even in forgotten pasts.

In an era where movies are mostly made of romantic-sexual-mistress-filled plotlines, we are becoming a nation of filmgoers eager to see how  an Anne Curtis would throw lines that are as absurd as we are. But HENERAL LUNA brings back the hope of sensibility, of utter wonderment, the magic of cinema and the art of story telling.

Love yourself and catch this film. I dare you to be the Filipino that you are, and celebrate, not just our heroes, but also the magic that our own filmmakers can bring.

Embrace our art and our history. Learn, and then fight!

Mabuhay si Heneral Antonio Luna!
Mabuhay ang mga Manonood na Pilipino!
Mabuhay ang Pelikulang Pilipino!

***
Dear All,

This is simply to take this occasion, this profound moment in time, to thank you all from the bottom of our hearts for your patronage, for your support, especially to those who’ve been relentlessly plugging away on Facebook or via social media, or by text, or even in person to spread the word and promote our film to others.
We are very, very touched.

For all of us—the entire cast and crew and team behind HENERAL LUNA—this has been one of the most extraordinary experiences of our lives. To be honest, it is life changing. To constantly hear applause in different theaters at the end of the film, as the credits roll, is for us a reward that’s beyond our wildest dreams when we first ventured doing this film. Many of us ask ourselves, when was the last time we heard an audience applaud at the end of a film, Filipino or otherwise, in so many theaters? And to see your FB postings, Twitter and Instagram messages, collectively and individually (especially from those who’ve watched the film more than twice already in the first week alone) moves us so deeply, beyond any words can truly express. And there are those of us who suddenly heard from people we haven’t heard from in ages—long lost cousins, exes, former classmates or invisible FB friends who suddenly made themselves known and wanted to show their appreciation for our work, for this film. Indeed, the love that you’ve all shown us has made their way into our hearts, carving a mini-monument of sorts dedicated to the heroism of Heneral Luna and the heroes who’ve lived before us, and to those who continue to live in our midst today. This is something that will stay with us for as long as we live.

Which is perhaps why reality hurts even more. Earlier today, we’ve been advised that we will be losing more than half of our theaters—that from 101 screens, we will be down to somewhere close to 40. We know, on one hand, we should be lucky to even have those, thanks to our distributor, (and for that we’re truly grateful to all of you), but on the other hand, we’re saddened that this movie has to go away before many more of you can see it, before its full audience potential can be realized. Believe us please, when we say, that while it’s important for us that this movie recoups its investment and more, it is ultimately not about box-office, not about money.

When this movie’s initial draft was first written, it was not written at all with the thought of writing a commercial blockbuster. And when we cast the film, we merely wanted to cast the most brilliant actors who were perfect for their roles. It was not based on who’s the biggest box-office draw. And creative decisions that were made (by our genius director Jerrold Tarog) while making the film were not based on “kilig,” not on what would please the audience most, but based on what would be best for the film, artistically and narrative-wise.

Of course, the beautiful irony of it all is that, now, through some magic, we’ve been rewarded with a film that is pleasing its audiences to no end—with a film that’s entertaining, enlightening, and educational. While theaters may have pulled this movie out, we strongly believe that that this movie now has a life of its own. Yes, YOU all have given this film a life of its own. And while we may have made this movie about a slice of Philippine history, YOU now are all a part of history–our history.

So, as we say thank you once again, please keep the fires burning, please keep the spirit alive. If the film is no longer in your city, go directly to your local cinemas and ask the manager to bring it back or bring it to your movie house for the first time. Be the hero for your school, for your barangay, for your friends and family by being the one who called them or texted them and let it be known to them that this movie must play in your cinema because there are plenty of people who want to see it and must see it.

But we must not stop here. The bravado and vigilance that we all show must continue onwards in our daily lives, especially in time for next year’s election. If for nothing else, HENERAL LUNA has made you or any one person to stop and think and reflect on our nationhood’s future, then this movie would have already done its job, regardless of its final box-office gross. As one noted historian put it, “History is not meant to be memorized, but to be reflected and acted upon.”

It’s a “hugot” line that Heneral Luna himself might have been proud to say.

With our heartfelt thanks,


Fernando M. Ortigas, Executive Producer & E. A. Rocha, Screenwriter- Producer

 Source  (http://www.jellicleblog.com/2015/09/an-open-letter-from-the-producer-of-heneral-luna-2015/)
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Post by: tony on Sep 18, 2015 at 11:17 AM
'Hindi ang mga banyaga ang mahigpit nating kalaban, ang ating mga sarile....."\
true even in todays' present setting....
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Post by: thebat on Sep 18, 2015 at 11:27 AM
I give it a 9.8 score.
Spolarium ang peg pala nila sa kulay cinematography ng movie. Excellent job. Hats of to the producers, director, cast and crew. Must watch for all PDVD members.
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Post by: jjjeronimo on Sep 18, 2015 at 12:56 PM



Which is perhaps why reality hurts even more. Earlier today, we’ve been advised that we will be losing more than half of our theaters—that from 101 screens, we will be down to somewhere close to 40. We know, on one hand, we should be lucky to even have those, thanks to our distributor, (and for that we’re truly grateful to all of you), but on the other hand, we’re saddened that this movie has to go away before many more of you can see it, before its full audience potential can be realized. Believe us please, when we say, that while it’s important for us that this movie recoups its investment and more, it is ultimately not about box-office, not about money.


Based on an update from the Heneral Luna FB page, it appears the number of cinemas showing this is now up to 78.  Great news!
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Post by: Verbl Kint on Sep 18, 2015 at 09:46 PM
A friend of mine says the 730pm showing at SM North was full. And the crowd applauded after.
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Post by: mmanson on Sep 18, 2015 at 11:04 PM
Saw this yesterday sa last full show. And yes everyone applauded after din. Galing! Watch it now guys!
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Post by: Ikiru on Sep 20, 2015 at 01:03 PM
Heart-breaking cinematic elegy to fallen patriots. And we still mourn because we are still our own worst enemy.
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Post by: pierretan on Sep 20, 2015 at 05:54 PM
Hi guys, are there any screenings in Singapore for this? We OFWs would want to see it too or maybe we can just wait for the DVD to come out.
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Post by: tony on Sep 20, 2015 at 06:37 PM
Heart-breaking cinematic elegy to fallen patriots. And we still mourn because we are still our own worst enemy.

what a waste indeed. it took an american army officer to say,"you killed your best general....."
fast forward 1983...we killed our best senator, Ninoy Aquino....what a waste....
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Post by: sirhc on Sep 20, 2015 at 07:03 PM
An excellent social commentary in the guise of a history film. Nakakalungkot talaga na dito sa Pilipinas, no good deed goes un-punished.  >:(
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Post by: disturbed on Sep 20, 2015 at 08:10 PM
Saw this yesterday at megamall 7pm screening.  I rarely watch local films in theaters even at home, but this one is different.  The message really hurts and I am really disappointed by aguinaldo and mabini.  Also, kudos to the lady at the back who talked some sense to the loud group, kasi ako na sana kakausap eh, just heard her tell them, get out or shut up.
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Post by: thebat on Sep 20, 2015 at 08:28 PM
One thing I liked about this movie is the casting. I like it that they didn't use any famous star personality e.g. Piolo Pascual, Derek Ramsey or Denis Trillo to play the lead role.

Btw, Yung role ni Mylene Dizon na Isabel. Sya pala yung Isidra Cojuangco. Iniba lang name to protect current admin's family :-(.
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Post by: tony on Sep 20, 2015 at 09:05 PM
http://www.interaksyon.com/entertainment/heneral-luna-draws-bigger-crowds-adds-more-theaters-on-second-week/
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Post by: halvert on Sep 20, 2015 at 09:29 PM
Ang ganda pero ang sakit sa dibdib!
Kudos to Jerrold Tarog! I first became a fan through his horror films (shake rattle and roll 12: Punerarya; SRR13: Parola; and SRR 15: Ulam) He also made Aswang (starring Lovi Poe)

Then I saw "Sana Dati" and I am not ashamed to say I teared up a little.

I then saw "Confessional" on cinema one and that was even more amazing!!!

Sana nga matuloy yung Del Pilar and Quezon movies!
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Post by: hekelef on Sep 21, 2015 at 08:29 AM
Great film. People running for office next year should watch it and learn from it.
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Post by: disturbed on Sep 21, 2015 at 10:43 AM
saw the show from cnn phil..breaks down the film and confirms what is fact and fiction..they said that the killing at the end was already toned down from what really happened..tsk tsk
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Post by: Klaus Weasley on Sep 21, 2015 at 10:48 PM
This has been picked as our representative to the Best Foreign Language Film category at the Oscars.
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Post by: ti on Sep 22, 2015 at 12:06 AM
last full show kami kanina sa shangrila, less than 12 seats na lang available.

ngayon na lang ako napanood ng ganon kadami tao sa loob ngsinehan.

at medyo na guilty pa ako kasi crunchy yung fries ko,

samantalng halos lahat ng nakikita ko ay todo concentrate sa panonood.


 
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Post by: Verbl Kint on Sep 22, 2015 at 01:56 AM
This has been picked as our representative to the Best Foreign Language Film category at the Oscars.
That's a surprise for me. I don't think non-pinoys would have enough context to fully appreciate this film.
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Post by: Klaus Weasley on Sep 22, 2015 at 01:20 PM
^That's what I think as well.^
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Post by: bongkadi on Sep 24, 2015 at 02:54 PM
The whole cadet corp of the PMA will watch this today. The buses are bringing the cadets to SM Baguio as I type.
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Post by: jao143 on Sep 24, 2015 at 03:02 PM
Watched this last night with the wifey sa SM Aura. Cinema was quite full. Excellent film :)
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Post by: sirhc on Sep 24, 2015 at 03:09 PM
Great to know that this film is actually picking up steam. Kudos to the producers and hope more and more is revealed to the message of the film.
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Post by: Verbl Kint on Sep 24, 2015 at 05:32 PM
Random questions heard and seen on social media about the film:

1. True to life ba ito, kuya?
2. Bakit si Mabini lagi lang nakaupo?
3. Tatay ba ni Paulene si Heneral?
4.  ...

Feel free to continue...
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Post by: syoti on Sep 24, 2015 at 08:46 PM
went to watch hotel transylvania 2 yesterday and to my surprise haba ng pila sa tickets.. majority were students lining up to watch Heneral Luna. nirequire siguro ng school manuod to make a movie report. samantalang nilalangaw ang mga upuan when i watch this on the first week. sana the students were there to watch on their own volition and not because thy were required to do so...
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Post by: vortex1 on Sep 25, 2015 at 12:45 AM
Half price lang ata kase pag estudyante. Kayang kaya na for a hundred peso ticket.
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Post by: curiosus on Sep 25, 2015 at 02:36 AM
Just want to say Noni Buencamino is in top form in this film. Pinakapaborito ko mga eksena nila ni Heneral L.
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Post by: dpogs on Sep 25, 2015 at 02:48 AM
Random questions heard and seen on social media about the film:

1. True to life ba ito, kuya?
2. Bakit si Mabini lagi lang nakaupo?
3. Tatay ba ni Paulene si Heneral?
4.  ...

Feel free to continue...

di ko alam kung joke joke lang ang mga tanong na ito or di talaga alam :(:(:(

itinuturo pa ba ito sa school ngayon - philippine history mga bayani?... ang anak ko kasi (Gr.3) walang idea sino sina Miguel Malvar etc or di lang nag-aaral anak ko o di pa tinuturo sa Gr.3? :):):)
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Post by: edwn1220 on Sep 25, 2015 at 06:16 AM
^ Natatandaan ko during my early elementary school days, mayroong "Heroes' corner"  sa classroom namin kung saan naka-display ang mga picture postcards ng mga bayani. Dito ako nagsimulang mamulat sa kabayanihang ginawa ng mga naunang henerasyon ng mga Pilipino. Sa panahon ngayon, wala na akong nakikitang ganitong display sa mga classrooms ng mga anak ko.
On topic: Sana naman ayusin ng mga producers ang napipintong DVD release ng "Hen. Luna". Magsama sila special features/documentary sa pagkakagawa ng pelikulang ito. (hindi na ako umaasa na magkakaroon ng BD release ::) )
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Post by: tenderfender on Sep 25, 2015 at 08:04 AM
Sabi ni DOTC Abaya, ndi daw inassassinate/pina-assassinate ng Lolo Emilio nya si Hen Luna...
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Post by: tony on Sep 25, 2015 at 08:49 AM
Aquinaldo was a traitor, sold out to the Americans.....kaya pala ganyang mag-isip si Abaya...
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Post by: yapoy86 on Sep 26, 2015 at 12:21 AM
Dapat talaga i require mga students manood nito.. DISIPLINA lang talaga ang kailangan.. pinakita ng pelikula kung gaano ka tamad at walang pakialam sa bayan mga Pilipino
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Post by: reynold on Sep 26, 2015 at 12:28 AM
At last, napanood ko din :)

Man, the cinemas showing this film is so full, as in puno at halos di na kami makabili ng ticket at makapili ng magandang pwesto...

This is one of the best filipino film i've watched in a loooooonnnggggg time (though bihira talaga ako manood ng pinoy movies nowadays)... Our politicians should watch and learn from this movie, masyado na kasi focused ang mga yan sa pamumulitika at nakakalimutan na ang tunay na paglilingkod...

I hope there are more movies like this to come and producers should bring back quality movies like this, please...

Hoping to see Noli Me Tangere and El Filibusterismo in cinema soon :)
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Post by: yapoy86 on Sep 26, 2015 at 12:55 AM
Parang Marvel ang dating... may mid credits scene pa..

Sana gawin nilang series parang avengers.. Star cinema tigilan nyo na yang pag gawa ng pelikula tungkol sa mga mistress hehe
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Post by: mrclark on Sep 27, 2015 at 12:59 PM
My wife watched this in magnolia puno, i watched in gateway yesterday puni din. Hopefully kumita nga para matuloy yung planned trilogy. Nxt is greg del pilar and the 3rd us abt manuel quezon
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Post by: thebat on Sep 27, 2015 at 04:14 PM
^ OT: bakit di kayo magkasama manuod?!? (nangingialam ba)
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Post by: jjjeronimo on Sep 27, 2015 at 04:29 PM
Parang Marvel ang dating... may mid credits scene pa..

Sana gawin nilang series parang avengers.. Star cinema tigilan nyo na yang pag gawa ng pelikula tungkol sa mga mistress hehe

At least napatunayan nitong sine na ito na pwede naman palang tangkilikin ng Pinoy ang matinong pelikula.  Sa pagkakataong ito, nawa'y mag-"copycat" ang malalaking producer para naman gumawa ng may kabuluhang palabas.  Tama ka, enough of movies about mistresses and/or mga pa-cute na romantic comedy, at higit sa lahat, enough of the mababaw ng comedy (yung tipong pinagtagpi-tagpi lang na "funny" scenes with hardly any recognizable plot).

Yeah, too much to ask for, but one can dream, hehe.
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Post by: turismo1997 on Sep 27, 2015 at 04:39 PM
This movie brings back my faith on filipino movies. Very good movie. Not only the story but production was well made. I didn't see any out of period in the movie. Pls. No more kris aquino and vice ganda trash
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Post by: mrclark on Sep 27, 2015 at 05:08 PM
^ OT: bakit di kayo magkasama manuod?!? (nangingialam ba)
bantay ko anak namin, sat watch sya, then ako naman nxt day
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Post by: dpogs on Sep 27, 2015 at 05:39 PM
passed by sm north cinema... may pila pa din ito... more than 2 weeks na ba itong showing?
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Post by: reynold on Sep 27, 2015 at 06:46 PM
passed by sm north cinema... may pila pa din ito... more than 2 weeks na ba itong showing?

Yes, i think more than 2 weeks na (buti naman) at mukhang mas tatagal pa because most schools require  students to watch this movie, at 50% off din sila :)
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Post by: czarsky on Sep 27, 2015 at 07:13 PM
Watched the movie with my family last night at SM Sta. Rosa, almost full at medyo marami pa din students kasi medyo maingay sila  :) but you can feel that everybody enjoyed the film and towards the end, palakpakan din ang mga tao.

Paglabas namin, dami pa din naka pila para sa last full show!

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Post by: DViant on Sep 28, 2015 at 02:09 AM
di ko alam kung joke joke lang ang mga tanong na ito or di talaga alam :(:(:(

itinuturo pa ba ito sa school ngayon - philippine history mga bayani?... ang anak ko kasi (Gr.3) walang idea sino sina Miguel Malvar etc or di lang nag-aaral anak ko o di pa tinuturo sa Gr.3? :):):)
In other movies plot points like Mabini's disability is explained in dialogue.

Also, at the beginning of the film it was disclosed that this was a movie based on historical facts but includes fiction. This is often done in any movie from any country for pacing purposes and make the presentation watchable.

Dapat tinagalog na lang nila yung disclaimer. A lot of Filipinos have poor English skills.

#1 and #2 are phrased in such a way that the person asking is trolling those reading it, koya. ;)

Were they being taught Phil history by grade 3? I remember being taught it by high school.
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Post by: dpogs on Sep 28, 2015 at 02:16 AM
In other movies plot points like Mabini's disability is explained in dialogue.

Also, at the beginning of the film it was disclosed that this was a movie based on historical facts but includes fiction. This is often done in any movie from any country for pacing purposes and make the presentation watchable.

Dapat tinagalog na lang nila yung disclaimer. A lot of Filipinos have poor English skills.

#1 and #2 are phrased in such a way that the person asking is trolling those reading it, koya. ;)

Were they being taught Phil history by grade 3? I remember being taught it by high school.

got it :):)

makita nga ang book ng anak ko (araling panlipunan nila grade 3) kung nabanggit ang mga bayaning pilipino doon :):) kay mommy kasi nakaassign ang ganoong subject :):)

pero sa pagkakaalala ko grade 2 pa lang noon halos puno ng picture ng mga bayani ang classroom namin noon hangang sa grade 6... ngayon napansin ko sa classroom ng anak ko walang ni isang picture ng mga bayaning Pilipino...

sikat na sikat na picture noon ay si Lapulapu at Jose rizal :):):) at saka pala si tandand sora :):):) bukod sa sangkatutak na coins na puro mukha ng mga bayaning pilipino.
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Post by: DViant on Sep 28, 2015 at 06:00 AM
got it :):)

makita nga ang book ng anak ko (araling panlipunan nila grade 3) kung nabanggit ang mga bayaning pilipino doon :):) kay mommy kasi nakaassign ang ganoong subject :):)

pero sa pagkakaalala ko grade 2 pa lang noon halos puno ng picture ng mga bayani ang classroom namin noon hangang sa grade 6... ngayon napansin ko sa classroom ng anak ko walang ni isang picture ng mga bayaning Pilipino...

sikat na sikat na picture noon ay si Lapulapu at Jose rizal :):):) at saka pala si tandand sora :):):) bukod sa sangkatutak na coins na puro mukha ng mga bayaning pilipino.
TBH Heneral Luna would have been panned for being sloppy if it was done elsewhere. It only gets mad props here because it is such a unique feature originating from the Philippines by Filipinos.

As for the heroes of yesteryear you might want to read the wikipedia entry of each one you mentioned. New information has surfaced that puts a dent to what the govt intended you to to know back then. Now, they are at the mercy of "inertia".

Example "Sa Aking Mga Kabata (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sa_Aking_Mga_Kabata)" that is attributed to Rizal appears to not have been written by him after all (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/45479/did-young-rizal-really-write-poem-for-children).

The most ironic bit is Rizal's tagalog appears to be worse than mine. His mother tongue was Spanish while mine is English.

So doubly whammy about the stinky fish and love for the mother tongue.

Prior to this find I always wondered why people were implying Rizal's mother tongue was Tagalog/Filipino when he considered himself Spanish. I say this because as a reformer he wanted the Philippine Islands to be treated as a province of Spain rather than just a colony. In connection to this he wanted representation for taxation in the Spanish parliament.

I struggled in Philippine History back then but I do better now with Internet.

Yes, wiki isnt scholarly but the footnotes and references could point to scholarly sources.
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Post by: skoivan on Sep 28, 2015 at 12:36 PM
TBH Heneral Luna would have been panned for being sloppy if it was done elsewhere. It only gets mad props here because it is such a unique feature originating from the Philippines by Filipinos.
Yup. I agree.
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Post by: mrclark on Sep 28, 2015 at 01:02 PM
looking forward to own the DVD on this.
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Post by: halvert on Sep 28, 2015 at 03:32 PM
TBH Heneral Luna would have been panned for being sloppy if it was done elsewhere. It only gets mad props here because it is such a unique feature originating from the Philippines by Filipinos.

As for the heroes of yesteryear you might want to read the wikipedia entry of each one you mentioned. New information has surfaced that puts a dent to what the govt intended you to to know back then. Now, they are at the mercy of "inertia".

Example "Sa Aking Mga Kabata (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sa_Aking_Mga_Kabata)" that is attributed to Rizal appears to not have been written by him after all (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/45479/did-young-rizal-really-write-poem-for-children).

The most ironic bit is Rizal's tagalog appears to be worse than mine. His mother tongue was Spanish while mine is English.

So doubly whammy about the stinky fish and love for the mother tongue.

Prior to this find I always wondered why people were implying Rizal's mother tongue was Tagalog/Filipino when he considered himself Spanish. I say this because as a reformer he wanted the Philippine Islands to be treated as a province of Spain rather than just a colony. In connection to this he wanted representation for taxation in the Spanish parliament.

I struggled in Philippine History back then but I do better now with Internet.

Yes, wiki isnt scholarly but the footnotes and references could point to scholarly sources.
Re: Rizal and Tagalog. Rizal did not write "SA aking mga Kababata" but he was fluent in Tagalog.
Taga-Laguna siya, a bastion of Tagalog. He, in fact, translated the works of Hans Christian Andersen into Tagalog for his nieces and nephews. (Source: http://www.pilipino-express.com/history-a-culture/in-other-words/852-rizal-and-the-filipino-language.html)
He even wrote and drew Tagalog komiks. He also wrote the women of Malolos a looong letter  in  old Tagalog.
(Excerpts here: http://malacanang.gov.ph/7981-sa-mga-kababaihang-taga-malolos-ni-jose-rizal/)
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Post by: DViant on Sep 28, 2015 at 05:43 PM
Re: Rizal and Tagalog. Rizal did not write "SA aking mga Kababata" but he was fluent in Tagalog.
Taga-Laguna siya, a bastion of Tagalog. He, in fact, translated the works of Hans Christian Andersen into Tagalog for his nieces and nephews. (Source: http://www.pilipino-express.com/history-a-culture/in-other-words/852-rizal-and-the-filipino-language.html)
He even wrote and drew Tagalog komiks. He also wrote the women of Malolos a looong letter  in  old Tagalog.
(Excerpts here: http://malacanang.gov.ph/7981-sa-mga-kababaihang-taga-malolos-ni-jose-rizal/)


Off topic... he was 8 years old when he allegedly wrote the poem. Even if he was from Laguna he was educated in Spanish, the language of the richer elite classes. Not to mention translations solely credited to him could have had collaborators on the project. Back then wala pang auto correct. ;)

The veracity of both claims seems to be justified and hence difficult to ascertain. However, most historians agree that a majority of Filipinos were unaware of Rizal during his lifetime,[79] as he was a member of the richer elite classes (he was born in an affluent family, had lived abroad for nearly as long as he had lived in the Philippines) and wrote primarily in an elite language (at that time, Tagalog and Cebuano were the languages of the masses) about ideals as lofty as freedom (the masses were more concerned about day to day issues like earning money and making a living, something which has not changed much today).[80]

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Rizal#Made_national_hero_by_Emilio_Aguinaldo
Ref:

80 ^ Zaide, Gregorio and Sonia (1999). Jose Rizal: Life, Works, and Writings of a Genius, Writer, Scientist and National Hero (http://www.allnationspublishing.com/articles/6/1/Jose-Rizal-Life-Works-and-Writings-of-a-Genius-Writer-Scientist-and-National-Hero/Page1.html). Quezon City: All Nations publishing Co. Inc. ISBN 971-642-070-6.

If the education in Grade 3 is so so for dpogs' kid today what more those of Rizal over 140 years ago?

The fluency and sophistication of the Tagalog used in the poem also do not match Rizal's grasp of the language. Although Rizal's native tongue was Tagalog, his early education was all in Spanish. In the oft-quoted anecdote of the moth and the flame from Rizal's memoir, the children's book he and his mother were reading was entitled El Amigo de los Niños, and it was in Spanish.[11] He would later lament his difficulties in expressing himself in Tagalog. In 1886, Rizal was in Leipzig working on a Tagalog translation of Friedrich Schiller's William Tell, which he sent home to his brother Paciano. In the accompanying letter, Rizal speaks of his difficulty finding an appropriate Tagalog equivalent of Freiheit (freedom), settling on kalayahan. Rizal cited Del Pilar's translation of his own essay as his source for kalayahan.[2][10] Rizal also attempted to write Makamisa (the intended sequel to El filibusterismo) in Tagalog, only to give up after only ten pages and start again in Spanish.[2][3]

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sa_Aking_Mga_Kabata#Authenticity

Reference:

11 ^José Rizal (under the pseudonym P. Jacinto). "Chapter 8: My First Reminiscence". Memoirs of a Student in Manila (http://joserizal.info/Biography/memoirs-chapter8.htm).

2 ^Ambeth Ocampo (August 22, 2011). "Did young Rizal really write poem for children? (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/45479/did-young-rizal-really-write-poem-for-children)".

10 ^José Rizal to Paciano Rizal (October 12, 1886; 40-11 Albertstrasse, Leipzig) (http://www.filipiniana.net/publication/rizal-leipzig-12-october-1886-to-paciano-rizal/12791881737302/1/0). I lacked many words, for example, for the word Freiheit or liberty. The Tagalog word kaligtasan cannot be used, because this means that formerly he was in some prison, slavery, etc. I found in the translation of Amor Patrio the noun malayá, kalayahan that Marcelo del Pilar uses. In the only Tagalog book I have — Florante — I don't find an equivalent noun.

3 ^Paul Morrow (July 16–31, 2011). "Something fishy about Rizal poem (http://www.pilipino-express.com/pdfs/inotherwords/Something%20Fishy%20About%20Rizal%20Poem.pdf)" (PDF). The Pilipino Express (The Pilipino Express Inc.) 7 (14): 1–33.
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Post by: CoolTOYZPH on Sep 28, 2015 at 05:45 PM
Only after watching the movie did I realize this is not heavy stuff but had a lot of comedy scenes.
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Post by: tony on Sep 28, 2015 at 05:46 PM
Rizal was fluent in over 22 languages...i find it hard to believe tagalog was not one of them...
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Post by: DViant on Sep 28, 2015 at 06:29 PM
Rizal was fluent in over 22 languages...i find it hard to believe tagalog was not one of them...
He is promoted to have known 22 languages only. Not a difficult thing to do if half your life you lived outside of the Philippines and had to communicate with foreigners when moving from one country to another. But was his mastery of all 22 languages of equal quality and level?

Rizal has been elevated to a mystical folk hero and agent of countless miraculous events. If one were to read his bio on wiki and then looked at the reference used there in he gets deconstructed to who he should be which is to be subordinate to people like Heneral Luna.

Govt's propaganda on Rizal was so absolute for some that they coalesced into a religion called the Rizalistas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rizalista_religious_movements).

Despite the nation's elevation of Rizal it does not share his outlook on religious matters.

Going back to language mastery he often consulted/collaborated with others on his projects despite his being cited the sole author of said project. Example would be his letter to his brother talking about how difficult it was to translate freedom to Tagalog.
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Post by: tony on Sep 28, 2015 at 06:45 PM
that could be entirely plausible....
considering that the Americans had a hand in selecting him as national hero....
i just wished that there would be more evidence....
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Post by: DViant on Sep 28, 2015 at 07:12 PM
When we were studying Rizal in HS it was never mentioned in the text book that Rizal America's choice hero for the Filipinos. It came from our history teacher instead.

History is indeed written by the victor to support their claims.

Until recently the Philippine-American War was but an insurrection when taught in American classrooms until it was politically incorrect to cite it as such hence the switch over to "war".

Makes you question what is being taught in school about recent history in which we all lived in vs what is being taught to those born after the year 2000.

Thank god for fact checking via Internet.

With how Rizal & Ninoy is being promoted you'd think they were unicorns.

(http://img11.deviantart.net/a22d/i/2011/214/0/7/my_little_unicorn_attack_by_vaguelycreepy-d42qflf.jpg)
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Post by: dm1179 on Sep 28, 2015 at 07:12 PM
OT: Back in college, we had a class debate on who should be the better national hero, Jose Rizal or Andres Bonifacio? Nanalo ang team Bonifacio. Hehe.
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Post by: bumblebee on Sep 28, 2015 at 07:17 PM
When I went to college, to my surprise, it was Bonifacio who was considered as the "real" National Hero. Why? Rizal was part of the elite, who wanted the Philippines to be a province of Spain while Bonifacio fought for independence.

IIRC, during the voting for national hero, it was between Rizal and Marcelo H. Del Pilar. Rizal allegedly won because he had a more dramatic death.
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Post by: dpogs on Sep 28, 2015 at 08:45 PM
Bakit di na lang si Lapu-lapu gawing national hero
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Post by: tony on Sep 28, 2015 at 09:02 PM
When I went to college, to my surprise, it was Bonifacio who was considered as the "real" National Hero. Why? Rizal was part of the elite, who wanted the Philippines to be a province of Spain while Bonifacio fought for independence.

IIRC, during the voting for national hero, it was between Rizal and Marcelo H. Del Pilar. Rizal allegedly won because he had a more dramatic death.

the two novels of Rizal was a catalyst and inspired Bonfacio to start the revolutionary movement.....
Rizal was against a bloody revolution, his vision for the youth is to get them educated.....
he thought that we were not ready at the time....
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Post by: Verbl Kint on Sep 28, 2015 at 09:11 PM
Well, since we're discussing history here, let it be known that Antonio Luna was actually not for the revolution against Spain. He was also not a Katipunero at the onset (he joined in 1898, a couple of years later, when the Spaniards were already on their denouement).

He also did not win a single battle (same as Bonifacio), whereas, Aguinaldo had the distinction of eliminating the Spaniards from all of Cavite, as far as the border towns of adjacent provinces. This is the reason why the Kawit Battalion was held in high regard back then. Heneral Luna didn't care for this reputation at all,  since he was trained in military tactics abroad. And there lies the first source of conflict in Luna's short military career.
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Post by: DViant on Sep 28, 2015 at 09:25 PM
Makes you wonder how come all our pre-American Filipino heroes are held to such lofty ideals even if they never won the war.
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Post by: Verbl Kint on Sep 28, 2015 at 09:28 PM



With how Rizal & Ninoy is being promoted you'd think they were unicorns.

What both had in common are ideals which better suit a modern Philippines: an intellectual and pacifist approach against subjugation.

While both did not really start revolutions, their actions (and subsequent martyrdom) were the cause for revolutions to begin. Bonifacio would not have formed the Katipunan had he not read Noli and Fili and been part of La Liga Filipina. The events culminating in the EDSA Revolution would not have started had the opposition not been galvanized and united beginning with the August Twenty-One Movement (ATOM).

Bonifacio, Heneral Luna, et al, fought and led battles against foreign oppressors. Their unfortunate fates, losing the war and being felled by countrymen and not by foreigners, make theirs a complex case for being declared THE national hero.
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Post by: Verbl Kint on Sep 28, 2015 at 09:38 PM
Makes you wonder how come all our pre-American Filipino heroes never won the war.
They were just about a year away (in mid-1898) from ridding Luzon of the Spaniards. The Americans came in at the right moment. They would not have been able to kick the Spaniards out had it not been for the gains of the Katipuneros.
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Post by: halvert on Sep 29, 2015 at 01:48 AM
Off topic... he was 8 years old when he allegedly wrote the poem. Even if he was from Laguna he was educated in Spanish, the language of the richer elite classes. Not to mention translations solely credited to him could have had collaborators on the project. Back then wala pang auto correct. ;)

The veracity of both claims seems to be justified and hence difficult to ascertain. However, most historians agree that a majority of Filipinos were unaware of Rizal during his lifetime,[79] as he was a member of the richer elite classes (he was born in an affluent family, had lived abroad for nearly as long as he had lived in the Philippines) and wrote primarily in an elite language (at that time, Tagalog and Cebuano were the languages of the masses) about ideals as lofty as freedom (the masses were more concerned about day to day issues like earning money and making a living, something which has not changed much today).[80]

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Rizal#Made_national_hero_by_Emilio_Aguinaldo
Ref:

80 ^ Zaide, Gregorio and Sonia (1999). Jose Rizal: Life, Works, and Writings of a Genius, Writer, Scientist and National Hero (http://www.allnationspublishing.com/articles/6/1/Jose-Rizal-Life-Works-and-Writings-of-a-Genius-Writer-Scientist-and-National-Hero/Page1.html). Quezon City: All Nations publishing Co. Inc. ISBN 971-642-070-6.

If the education in Grade 3 is so so for dpogs' kid today what more those of Rizal over 140 years ago?

The fluency and sophistication of the Tagalog used in the poem also do not match Rizal's grasp of the language. Although Rizal's native tongue was Tagalog, his early education was all in Spanish. In the oft-quoted anecdote of the moth and the flame from Rizal's memoir, the children's book he and his mother were reading was entitled El Amigo de los Niños, and it was in Spanish.[11] He would later lament his difficulties in expressing himself in Tagalog. In 1886, Rizal was in Leipzig working on a Tagalog translation of Friedrich Schiller's William Tell, which he sent home to his brother Paciano. In the accompanying letter, Rizal speaks of his difficulty finding an appropriate Tagalog equivalent of Freiheit (freedom), settling on kalayahan. Rizal cited Del Pilar's translation of his own essay as his source for kalayahan.[2][10] Rizal also attempted to write Makamisa (the intended sequel to El filibusterismo) in Tagalog, only to give up after only ten pages and start again in Spanish.[2][3]

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sa_Aking_Mga_Kabata#Authenticity

Reference:

11 ^José Rizal (under the pseudonym P. Jacinto). "Chapter 8: My First Reminiscence". Memoirs of a Student in Manila (http://joserizal.info/Biography/memoirs-chapter8.htm).

2 ^Ambeth Ocampo (August 22, 2011). "Did young Rizal really write poem for children? (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/45479/did-young-rizal-really-write-poem-for-children)".

10 ^José Rizal to Paciano Rizal (October 12, 1886; 40-11 Albertstrasse, Leipzig) (http://www.filipiniana.net/publication/rizal-leipzig-12-october-1886-to-paciano-rizal/12791881737302/1/0). I lacked many words, for example, for the word Freiheit or liberty. The Tagalog word kaligtasan cannot be used, because this means that formerly he was in some prison, slavery, etc. I found in the translation of Amor Patrio the noun malayá, kalayahan that Marcelo del Pilar uses. In the only Tagalog book I have — Florante — I don't find an equivalent noun.

3 ^Paul Morrow (July 16–31, 2011). "Something fishy about Rizal poem (http://www.pilipino-express.com/pdfs/inotherwords/Something%20Fishy%20About%20Rizal%20Poem.pdf)" (PDF). The Pilipino Express (The Pilipino Express Inc.) 7 (14): 1–33.
Rizal had difficulties in some Tagalog words like kalayaan, back when the concept was still a dream for indios but he wrote to paciano in Tagalog.  He also wrote secret letters to del Pilar in Tagalog as an added layer of protection from prying eyes. And probably like most of us, he was fluent in Tagalog but his education just made it easier to write novels in Spanish. Conrado de quiros is fluent in Tagalog but he admits he's more comfortable writing in English. He said if he wrote in Tagalog the way he spoke, it would be like salitang kanto.
His Tagalog letters are published
here I am browsing [Column: Rizal’s open secrets | John Nery | Newsstand]. Have a look at it! https://johnnery.wordpress.com/2012/09/02/column-rizals-open-secrets/
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Post by: DViant on Sep 29, 2015 at 02:26 AM
Rizal had difficulties in some Tagalog words like kalayaan, back when the concept was still a dream for indios but he wrote to paciano in Tagalog.  He also wrote secret letters to del Pilar in Tagalog as an added layer of protection from prying eyes. And probably like most of us, he was fluent in Tagalog but his education just made it easier to write novels in Spanish. Conrado de quiros is fluent in Tagalog but he admits he's more comfortable writing in English. He said if he wrote in Tagalog the way he spoke, it would be like salitang kanto.
His Tagalog letters are published
here I am browsing [Column: Rizal’s open secrets | John Nery | Newsstand]. Have a look at it! https://johnnery.wordpress.com/2012/09/02/column-rizals-open-secrets/
After the reveal on "Sa Aking Mga Kabata"... I hold suspect any document attributed to him.

His Tagalog is probably as good as his English but not as good as his German or Spanish. :)

Stinky fish my pwit. lolz
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Post by: DViant on Sep 29, 2015 at 02:28 AM
They were just about a year away (in mid-1898) from ridding Luzon of the Spaniards. The Americans came in at the right moment. They would not have been able to kick the Spaniards out had it not been for the gains of the Katipuneros.

Ask any racer. Any real racer. It don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning's winning.
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Post by: Verbl Kint on Sep 29, 2015 at 02:59 AM
Ask any racer. Any real racer. It don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning's winning.
It isn't a race, it's a revolution.
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Post by: bumblebee on Sep 29, 2015 at 06:32 AM
the two novels of Rizal was a catalyst and inspired Bonfacio to start the revolutionary movement.....
Rizal was against a bloody revolution, his vision for the youth is to get them educated.....
he thought that we were not ready at the time....

I don't know about that. For sure, the novels had its effects on society but El Fili is about a failed "revolution", anchored on vengeance, meaning Rizal was against it. And Bonifacio didn't "start" the KKK, he was one of the founding members and became it's 3rd leader.
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Post by: tony on Sep 29, 2015 at 08:45 AM
well Rizal's two novels represent what i call Rizal's ideologies to which i subscribe...

looking at what is happening in the middle east today and even n our backyard, is war, killing, raping and pillage really the answer?

do we entrust the rebuilding of our country to those that were responsible to its ruin in the first place?
this is the biggest reason why i am opposed to Marcos's return to power, enough is enough....
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Post by: tony on Sep 29, 2015 at 08:47 AM
It isn't a race, it's a revolution.

well we all know the American prevaled in the end...so to me it is more of an insurrection than a revolution...
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Post by: skoivan on Sep 29, 2015 at 11:01 AM
Food for thought: http://opinion.inquirer.net/88834/two-lunas-two-mabinis (http://opinion.inquirer.net/88834/two-lunas-two-mabinis)

^ An article by renowned Philippine historian Ambeth Ocampo recounting a conversation he had with the eminent Philippine historian Teodoro A. Agoncillo on the topic of Luna, Aguinaldo, Mabini, and related subjects.

Quote
TAA: ...I’m not pro-Aguinaldo or pro-Bonifacio. I judge a person on the basis of the documents available. If the time comes that I am proved wrong and other documents are shown, then I’ll accept it. Conclusions are not final, because nobody can say that I have exhausted all my sources. No! Ang anti-Aguinaldo si Vivencio Jose, masyadong pro-Luna. This is the kind of thinking I do not like...

...[Jose] suppressed the documents. It’s all right if it is a question of interpretation, but the trouble is he suppressed. Kahit na kasalanan ni Luna, he is trying to suppress [the documentation]. Example: the letter of Mabini to Aguinaldo denouncing Luna. Hindi niya binanggit. The letter of Baldomero [Aguinaldo] to [Emilio] Aguinaldo denouncing Luna? Hindi niya inilagay. Ang sabi lang niya, naiinggit lang iyong mga taong attacked.
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Post by: tenderfender on Sep 29, 2015 at 11:12 AM
^a respective historian he may be but teodoro agoncillo is related to don felipe agoncillo, who represented aguinaldo in the treaty of paris as well as marcela agoncillo, whom aguinaldo commissioned to serve as the principal seamstress of the Philippine flag

so go figure.  >:D

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Post by: tony on Sep 29, 2015 at 11:17 AM
unfortunately, we were all not there when it happened, so the jury is still out...;)

we have written legacies from Mabini and Rizal but i do not know any written literature from General Luna,
what i know about him are from accounts....
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Post by: deist on Sep 29, 2015 at 11:18 AM
^^^ Funny it was also mentioned in the inquirer article...went to see this movie a couple of nights ago with my wife & kids, on our way out of the cinema after the screening I heard a couple in their early 20s in front of us talking, the guy said "Bakit nakaupo lang si Mabini sa buong movie?" tsk tsk tsk
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Post by: tony on Sep 29, 2015 at 11:20 AM
how sad.....that one puzzled Epi Quizon no end.....
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Post by: deist on Sep 29, 2015 at 11:23 AM
^ the saddest part is when his girlfriend replied: "Ang alam ko naaksidente sya nung bata"  >:(
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Post by: skoivan on Sep 29, 2015 at 12:13 PM
^a respective historian he may be but teodoro agoncillo is related to don felipe agoncillo, who represented aguinaldo in the treaty of paris as well as marcela agoncillo, whom aguinaldo commissioned to serve as the principal seamstress of the Philippine flag

Yet his stances when it comes to history are nonpartisan:

"While Aguinaldo is not personally involved in the death of either Luna or Andres Bonifacio, he should be held to account for the behavior which he did not order investigated. Why did he not order the investigation of those people who assassinated Luna? That was his responsibility."

"I’m not pro-Aguinaldo or pro-Bonifacio. I judge a person on the basis of the documents available. If the time comes that I am proved wrong and other documents are shown, then I’ll accept it." --- which is why I think he has gained and earned the reputation of being the eminent Philippine historian... because he bases his works on fact; and in cases where there is critical thinking required, still attempts to be as methodological as possible.

"Minamana mong sabihin na si Luna was the leader of the revolution against Spain? P-ñeta! Since when did Luna fight against the Spaniards? He never fought the Spaniards, tapos sasabihin niyang leader? As a matter of fact, Luna was a traitor to the Revolution of 1896!" --- feeling ko ang lutong nung P-ñeta! niya :P

My biggest takeaway from this article is how Vivencio Jose's book on Antonio Luna is apparently colored with bias. If there are indeed official documents that have been dismissed by him because they don't align to his pro-Luna stance, then that is unfortunate and dampens my excitement for Heneral Luna, which is a really good film by local standards, and one that an excellent message.
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Post by: tenderfender on Sep 29, 2015 at 12:24 PM
^this was ambeth ocampo quoting agoncillo back in 1984

the geocentric system and the flat earth were the prevailing cosmological views during the Middle Ages, the abakada was our old school alphabet, etc. (of course, there is a saying, nothing beats old school pero in this case... ;) )

too bad wala na si agoncillo at this present day and age to mete out a judgment on this Heneral Luna portrayal  :(

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Post by: skoivan on Sep 29, 2015 at 12:55 PM
the geocentric system and the flat earth were the prevailing cosmological views during the Middle Ages
Yes, and in that changed because of empirical evidence that showed otherwise.

Are you saying that in between Ambeth and Teodoro's 1984 conversation, new documents/facts have surfaced that you think would have changed TAA's opinion that Jose's work on Luna was biased?
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Post by: tenderfender on Sep 29, 2015 at 01:41 PM
Yes, and in that changed because of empirical evidence that showed otherwise.

Are you saying that in between Ambeth and Teodoro's 1984 conversation, new documents/facts have surfaced that you think would have changed TAA's opinion that Jose's work on Luna was biased?

i wouldn't know. am not a qualified historian. most probably a chismoso which is why i linked agoncillo to aguinaldo as well as luna and the cojuangco wealth  ^-^  >:D

and again, there's this:

What we (still) don’t know about Antonio Luna
http://opinion.inquirer.net/88960/what-we-still-dont-know-about-antonio-luna

(of course john nery is not a renato constanino nor an agoncillo)
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Post by: skoivan on Sep 29, 2015 at 01:53 PM
ok. I just didn't know what point you were trying to make and where you were coming from.
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Post by: tony on Sep 29, 2015 at 05:02 PM
i know General Luna studied in a military academy in Europe, that explains why he was our best general...
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Post by: DViant on Sep 29, 2015 at 08:18 PM
well we all know the American prevaled in the end...so to me it is more of an insurrection than a revolution...
That's how Americans view the Philippine-American War in their history books until it was politically incorrect to call it that.

So they upgraded it from insurrection to war.
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Post by: DViant on Sep 29, 2015 at 08:58 PM
^a respective historian he may be but teodoro agoncillo is related to don felipe agoncillo, who represented aguinaldo in the treaty of paris as well as marcela agoncillo, whom aguinaldo commissioned to serve as the principal seamstress of the Philippine flag

so go figure.  >:D



I was reading on the Balingiga massacre (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balangiga_massacre) and it describes Agoncillo as a Marxist.

Googling 'Teodoro Agoncillo marxist' yields this link from an Opus Dei website (http://www.opuslibros.org/Index_libros/Recensiones_1/agoncill_his.htm) that describes Agoncillo as....

The author is not, strictly speaking, a marxist historian but a philomarxist writer. One thing definite, however, is that he is anti-Catholic.

His superficiality and lack of scientific rigor shows clearly that even his knowledge of marxist philosophy is limited to paying lip service to the said ideology. His marxism is that of an essayist, or a journalistic and naive type of marxism; lacking all scientific and philosophical rigor which can be found in some of the more orthodox marxist authors.

Thus, ideologically, Agoncillo (and the co-author, Milagros Guerrero) could be considered as the typical 19th century liberal thinker with the usual characteristics: anti-Catholic, anti-clerical, blindly nationalistic, deistic and rationalistic, and with many traits and similarities to masonic-inspired ideologies. The liberal thinkers of today easily fall prey to a superficial Marxist ideology, or at least they openly sympathize with it. In the decadent age of the late sixties and early seventies, it became a fad to espouse marxist philosophies and foster such socialist causes. Greatly affected were some intellectual groups from the University of the Philippines. This unfortunately is the case of our authors (henceforth, they will be referred to only as one author in this study, using the name of the principal writer: Teodoro Agoncillo).

The methodology followed is to make a more or less detailed chapter-by-chapter analysis of the 29 chapters in the 4th edition (1973). (In the 5th edition, 1977, he adds a 30th chapter called Under Martial Law, which is purposedly left out in this critique since it does not really add anything substantial to the treatment of the topic in the latter part of Chapter 29 of the previous edition).

Sometimes, chapters have been grouped together with some general comments or observations. The chapters are divided into units, by numbering the titled headings, in order to facilitate references.

Some of the "units" can be read —or for that matter, some entire chapters save for one or two units within that chapter— without producing any direct harm on the mature reader who has a minimum of intellectual formation. By this is meant that he must at least have a good grounding in Catholic Doctrine and some exposure to serious historical readings. The reading of the aforementioned parts of the book is of course only justified in the case of those students for whom it is used as a prescribed textbook.
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Post by: tony on Sep 30, 2015 at 06:46 AM
well, the American GOP stops short in calling President Obama a Marxist.....
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Post by: tony on Sep 30, 2015 at 08:19 AM
70M++ nagastos dito? di halata.  Di ko ma gets what the fuss is all about.  Siguro sya na pinakamaganda sa mga pinalalabas lately.  Napakalayo sa tipo ng oro plata mata.

Daming miscast, catsup, archie, that guy playing quezon, mylene , the journalist etc

At bakit dapat i-require to sa paaralan?  Puro P.I. maririnig, showing a brash and arrogant main character.

Pinakita tamad at duwag mga pinoy.  So?  Alam na yan. 







are you by any chance a film producer? :D
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Post by: thebat on Sep 30, 2015 at 10:36 AM
^ Talaga lang ha? Ang galing mo naman at di pumasa sa standards mo para puriin yung Heneral Luna? You've seen better, wow, ang galing mo sir!
Of course there were a lot of better pinoy movies than this, and me mga flaws din yung movie pero wala naman nagsasabi this is the best Pinoy movie ever! Madami din namang magagandang pelikula pinoy maliban dito pero ang maganda dun nakakagawa pa din ng quality film.

70M++ tapos miscast ba kamo? Next time produce your own film. At tinatanong mo kung bakit kailanga pang i-require ito sa school eh ang daming PI? Wow naman sir wow naman talaga... e kse the film is about a piece of our history in case you missed it. So every Filipino must know this thing. Nakatulong nga yung pelikula kse ngayon naitatanong kung bakit di nakakatayo at nakaupo lang si Mabini.

Yang ang hirap sa ibang Pinoy. Instead na mag appreciate ng mga ganitong good effort and good film, manlalait pa kse di pumasa sa mataas na standards nila :-).

Mas gusto mo bang di magustuhan ng maramig Pinoy yung Heneral Luna movie gaya mo?
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Post by: zonks on Sep 30, 2015 at 10:51 AM
the 50% discount for students will end today.fyi
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Post by: dana on Sep 30, 2015 at 10:51 AM
sana palabas pa this weekend...
makapanuod with wifey and kids
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Post by: jas on Sep 30, 2015 at 11:06 AM
Note that this is rated R-13. So for me, OK lang yung mga P.I. and other curse words. Kaya naman niyan ng mga teenagers....
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Post by: juneaki on Sep 30, 2015 at 02:20 PM
Matagal na ako di nanunood ng pelikulang Filipino. Sa totoo lang, quality wise eh talaga naman 20 years behind tayo sa ibang bansa. Pero dahil sa magandang review at narining ko rin sa mga nakapanood na (even our head pastor in the church endorsed it) eh nanood ako, wow iba nga. Maganda ang cinematography, hindi ka parang nanonood lang ng video, pakiramdam ko kasama ako sa movie. At ang story, parang kahit minsan di ko napakinggan sa eskwela. Mukhang na-sanitize ang ating mga history books. Ngayon lang ulit tumayo balahibo ko sa isang pelikulang Pilipino. Sana lahat ng pelikula natin eh ito ang gamiting standard.
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Post by: Verbl Kint on Sep 30, 2015 at 09:08 PM
Maraming magagandang pelikulang Pilipino na nailabas nitong dekadang ito. Yung iba eh mas maganda pa kesa Heneral Luna. :)
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Post by: Klaus Weasley on Sep 30, 2015 at 10:18 PM
Maraming magagandang pelikulang Pilipino na nailabas nitong dekadang ito.

Yes. Off the top of my head: Norte, the End of History, Transit, Six Degrees of Separation of Lilia Cuntapay, Violator and Boy Golden. Marvelous films all. 
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Post by: DViant on Sep 30, 2015 at 10:24 PM
well, the American GOP stops short in calling President Obama a Marxist.....
They call him a Kenyan and a Muslim. :)

I do believe the historian is blindly nationalistic... if he were alive today he'd probably be enjoying using his iPhone, iPad, Macbook and go on holidays in the US while railing against imperialist America while praying China will not invade. ;)

History is written by the victors... I prefer a more neutral view of it with all sides represented. Although unscholarly, Wikipedia is founded on neutrality with often scholarly references at the bottom of the page.

Then again I'm neither a historian nor award winning. I'm just a critical thinker that does not just swallow anything spoon fed to him.
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Post by: DViant on Sep 30, 2015 at 10:27 PM
Yes. Off the top of my head: Norte, the End of History, Transit, Six Degrees of Separation of Lilia Cuntapay, Violator and Boy Golden. Marvelous films all. 
But how is the production value? Do they favor long cuts that is the staple of old Pinoy movies or have they evolved to 6 seconds or less cuts used by billion peso blockbusters?

Filipinos are largely value-based on how they expend their time and money.
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Post by: Verbl Kint on Sep 30, 2015 at 11:10 PM
Watch the films and judge for yourself.

There are different nuances per film and how "long" the "cuts" are generally have nothing to do with how good a film is.

And rarely are "billion-peso" blockbusters THAT good, anyway.  They can even be really bad (see Transformers and GI Joe series).
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Post by: skoivan on Oct 01, 2015 at 12:19 AM
yeah I'm not sure I follow how a film is good or bad (or has high or low production value) based on the length of its shots/cuts. Birdman is basically a lot of long shots made to feel like one continuous shot and it's a great film. On the other hand Requiem for a Dream is very dynamic with lots of short, quick cuts and it's a great film. It all depends on what type of treatment the film needs.

Anyway... I think Heneral Luna is good. Just not that good. I gave it a 7 on IMDB. The best thing about it imo doesn't have anything to do with how it was made but rather that it has created this huge surge of interest in Philippine history.
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Post by: DViant on Oct 01, 2015 at 08:59 AM
Going back to the movie.

http://www.manilatimes.net/students-taught-proper-ph-history-luistro/221519/

Based on the interview above I really think Quizon's anecdote was done for marketing purposes to make the movie go viral.

Kasi, in a typical movie/TV show people really do not care if the character sits or stands.

Now, there is "outrage" by how poorly the youth are being taught thus people talk about it over and over again with righteous indignation.

skoivan, Birdman's very long shots are very dynamic walk and talks. Are walk and talks scenes done in local movies/TV shows? What I am talking about are long static shots that go beyond 15-20 secs with overly emotional dialogue. As juneaki mentioned local movies/TV shows are 20 years backwards.

Historical period dramas can and do use modern techniques. See Netflix's Narcos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcos) that is set in 1989. They applied today's pacing and techniques on a historical period drama.

Now, if you want to make a movie look like it was done in the late 80s then go use the rather draggy and static shots.

Transformers and GI Joe appeal to pre-existing fans and their kids. In that context it is pretty good. If it wasn't then it would struggle to earn enough to justify sequels.

I guarantee you Heneral Luna will win FAMAS not because it's that good but out of nationalism.

If you want a compelling and captivating 

Remember, movies/TV shows are a visual medium. If it comes up short in this regard then pasensyahan na lang or ipagtyaga na lang.

I am speaking from a value-based point of view.
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Post by: jerix on Oct 01, 2015 at 01:19 PM
The film is nice because it depicts the true problem of the Filipinos before that is, they all want to be leaders. It is also a reflection of what is happening now. We know the problem since then, we cry and weep about it, but after that we keep on doing the same thing. Filipinos don't learn.
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Post by: Verbl Kint on Dec 02, 2015 at 01:29 PM
Variety reviews Heneral Luna:

http://variety.com/2015/film/reviews/heneral-luna-review-1201649617/

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Post by: mrclark on Dec 07, 2015 at 02:04 PM
Kelan kaya ito ilalabas sa DVD?
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Post by: traveler69 on Dec 07, 2015 at 04:26 PM
Kelan kaya ito ilalabas sa DVD?

I made an inquiry from the producers of this film about the possibility of a bluray release, not just DVD. I thought the film's cinematography will hugely benefit from a full hi-def digital format which the DVD format won't natively allow. Unfortunately, there was no definitive response.
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Post by: mrclark on Dec 07, 2015 at 06:18 PM
Sana by Christmas meron na
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Post by: syoti on Dec 08, 2015 at 12:44 AM
From Heneral Luna fb page:

Ngayong pasko, gawing AGUINALDO ang Original DVD ng ‪#‎HeneralLuna‬!

HENERAL LUNA DVD RELEASE FAST FACTS:

Q: Kailan po lalabas ang DVD?
A: Wala pang konkretong petsa, NGUNIT panigurado na lalabas ito bago pa mag-Pasko!

Q: Magkano po ang DVD?
A: Php 699 lamang po! Habang maaga pa ay itabi na inyong Christmas bonus.

Q: Saan po ito mabibili?
A: Sa tulong po ng aming partner na MAGNAVISION, magiging available po ang DVD sa mga record bars sa buong Pilipinas! Panalangin ko'y huwag po kayong bumili sa bangketa o sa Quiapo.

Q: Heneral, paano naman ang mga Filipino sa ibang bansa?
A: Magiging available din po ang DVD sa paparating na ONLINE STORE sa aming Official Website (http://henerallunathemovie.com).

HINDI PA TAPOS ANG REBOLUSYON! Tutok lang dito o iba pa naming official social media accounts para sa karagdagang DVD Release updates!
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Post by: mrclark on Dec 08, 2015 at 08:58 AM
Thanks for the update Syoti  :)
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Post by: thebat on Dec 08, 2015 at 03:12 PM
Definitely will get one.
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Post by: Verbl Kint on Dec 09, 2015 at 06:02 AM
I hope the HD version becomes available either through BD's or online. No way am I going to settle for a SD copy.
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Post by: a2 on Dec 20, 2015 at 06:31 PM
may nakabili na ba ng dvd nito? kumusta kaya ang PQ? nakita ko 'to kanina sa sm and napansin ko na parang wala ata syang kasamang special features.
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Post by: DViant on Dec 20, 2015 at 08:22 PM
They would make more is they released it on Video on Demand via iTunes, Amazon, Youtube, etc.

DVD and BluRay will only lessen their earnings as they have to invest in making physical copies.

(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xat1/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/12331510_554153158075424_2011604178_n.jpg)

(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfp1/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/12356408_976574245766282_946798902_n.jpg)

Anyway, braved Southmall to watch Star Wars. Loved the the cuts being quick. :)
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Post by: syoti on Dec 23, 2015 at 11:39 PM
barebones dvd. packaging sucks. no special features whatsoever.. sorry but not worth buying imho.. not even sure if its dvd9
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Post by: jas on Feb 04, 2016 at 07:02 PM
Heneral Luna has been nominated under three categories in the 10th Asian Film Awards:

Best Actor - John Arcilla
Best Costume Design
Best Production Design
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Post by: jerix on Feb 10, 2016 at 03:54 PM
Some observations:
-Mukhang mga bagong kula mga costume na white di man lang pinakupas pinamantsa ng konti. hehe.

-Ang gagaling gumawa ng bahay kubo yung mga ninuno natin. pero sa movie na to kitang kita yung mga coco lumber. Karamihan din noon matataas ang mga nipa hut.

- Ang lawak ng bukirin pero naka kumpol ang mga sundalong nag gi-giyera sa isang napakaliit na portion ng bukirin.

- I dont understand the intention of the too much murahan. Not realistic magagalang karamihan ng mga KKK maliban ke Luna.
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Post by: mrclark on Feb 10, 2016 at 03:59 PM
barebones dvd. packaging sucks. no special features whatsoever.. sorry but not worth buying imho.. not even sure if its dvd9
may special feature sya
1. Music vid
2. Ilustrado (comedy skit)
3. Making of Hen. Luna

I have a dvd and just watched it last wknd
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Post by: disturbed on Apr 27, 2016 at 03:31 PM
sayang they will air this piece after elections..maganda sana I air ito before elections..maganda message sa huli
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Post by: syoti on Jun 12, 2016 at 06:57 PM
barebones dvd. packaging sucks. no special features whatsoever.. sorry but not worth buying imho.. not even sure if its dvd9

good thing i did not buy this.. there's a special edition released now. two disc with commentaries and stuff. with postcards and a leathercase holder. for 999. bought one at toycon2016. too bad wasnt able to have it signed by hen luna and emilio aguinaldo... huhu

https://web.facebook.com/Heneral.Luna/
Title: Re: Jerrold Tarog's Heneral Luna
Post by: Noel_Vera on Jun 18, 2016 at 12:01 AM
My thoughts on Heneral Luna (http://criticafterdark.blogspot.com/2016/06/heneral-luna-jerrold-tarog.html)