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Title: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Feb 01, 2015 at 04:02 PM
I've been constantly reading comments that a speaker is good for HT or music & vice versa. Is there really such thing as speakers designed specifically for HT or music? If so, what would be the differences or characteristics that would seperate them.


My take:

Wala.  ;D

For me, both applications would require dynamics, details, broad freq range, accuracy, SPL etc.
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: CMac on Feb 01, 2015 at 05:09 PM
Wala din para saken. Kaartehan lang yung "specifically for music" tags to justify the higher price and unwarranted 'prestige' kuno.
It's made for music/stereo because there is no center channel to accompany that model line (just to clarify that this is the manufacturer's intention. but the user can do whatever he wants to do with it). For everything else, sound is sound...whether it comes out from a speaker driver or my butt hole.
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: tonedeaf on Feb 01, 2015 at 05:59 PM
OTOH I was just looking at one of the new threads here where someone was asking about his proposed 2-channel set up. and there were a few who said the Polk Audio RTi speakers he chose are better for HT than for music.
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: meat_eater on Feb 01, 2015 at 06:15 PM
Hmmm....  There would be some na better for ht, those that were designed with high cutoff points, like the svs lcr models, And some satellites. That doesnt mean though na ndi sila pwede sa music, pwede naman, but of course me trade offs. For "stereo" speakers, other than those mentioned by Nelson, I guess speakers that image well. Kasi with ht, madaling dayain yun. Hehehehe, of course, pwede din naman sila gamitin for ht.

So, yes and no. Labo! Hahaha  ;D

Ako I only use the same speakers for both ht and stereo, albeit on a different setup. Palit palit lang ng banana plugs :)

But i would not say na one is exclusive, maybe better or worse lang depending sa application, which of course is subjective :)

Cheers
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: dodie on Feb 01, 2015 at 06:25 PM
IMHO,  wala namang speakers just for HT or just for STEREO! lahat naman pwede mo gamitin on both aplication. but the center channel and the bi-pole/di-pole thing are developed(as i knew) for multi channel audio/video sound system.

pwede bang gamitin yung wharf DFS as your fronts? sa stereo? pwede! ang tanong maganda ba? will you be putting a di-pole as your center? pwede! ang tanong maganda ba? so on and so forth. lahat ng speaker pwede mong ilagay kahit saan. be it as fronts, center, or sorround. pero ang big question is the sound.

i always belive na para makita mo ang galing ng speaker, yung imaging nya, yung base loading etc etc, you should listen to it in a two channel configuration on its native format. good source & good amplification.....
pag pangit yung speaker sa stereo, sigurado masama din sa HT! there is no such thing that pangit sa stereo, maganda sa HT or maganda sa stereo pangit sa HT! ang default test talaga dapat ng speaker is stereo configuration using a good stereo amplifier and not an avr.....
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: Chorus on Feb 01, 2015 at 06:29 PM
how about the Fullrange speaker pwede kaya sa movies?
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: meat_eater on Feb 01, 2015 at 06:46 PM
how about the Fullrange speaker pwede kaya sa movies?

Yes pwede boss.

You can adjust naman ung cutoff sa avr depende sa capacity ng fr speaker

Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: nogo on Feb 01, 2015 at 07:11 PM
Magandang usapan to.
Maki bookmark lang.
Sana marami pa magbigay ng insights.
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: rascal101 on Feb 01, 2015 at 07:16 PM
Para sa akin wala din. Ginagamit ko iyung stereo set-up ko manood ng pelikula at makinig ng musika. Masaya naman ako.
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: 48check on Feb 01, 2015 at 07:32 PM
Sa kin wala difference. Pag maganda music, maganda din yun sa HT.
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: delinsk on Feb 01, 2015 at 07:56 PM
Listening in two channel (stereo) is more challenging than multi channel. Speaker must have good qualities such as  soundstage imaging etc. In HT decoders can do it for you in any kind of speakers available IMHO.....
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Feb 01, 2015 at 08:03 PM
For "stereo" speakers, other than those mentioned by Nelson, I guess speakers that image well. Kasi with ht, madaling dayain yun. Hehehehe, of course, pwede din naman sila gamitin for ht.

So, yes and no. Labo! Hahaha  ;D

Ako I only use the same speakers for both ht and stereo, albeit on a different setup. Palit palit lang ng banana plugs :)

But i would not say na one is exclusive, maybe better or worse lang depending sa application, which of course is subjective :)

Cheers

With regards to imaging, minsan and madalas sir nasa recording. It's how the instruments were panned, location of the mics for the depth, Eqing per individual instrument, and location of the instruments/performers. May mga recording na hindi mag-image properly because of recording. Madalas ang mix kasi nun, pang-masa" mix unlike yun mga audiophile recordings, talagang tama ang room, mic, positioning, gears etc. You can only "daya" sa HT to some extend pero malalaman mo, hindi defined ang images, masyadong malapad or malaki ang instruments over the other (pero sometimes sa micing din ito), too flat ang stage.
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 01, 2015 at 08:03 PM
Stereo music speakers can be used for movies but you need to add satellites for the surround effect.  In movies you are trying to create the scene as if you are in its center.  For music, the singer/musicians are in front of the listener so you do not need surround sound, thus, no voice or instrument that will come at the back or sides.

I have stereo music speakers which are also used for watching movies.  With proper placement, a phantom image of the actors and as well as the surrounding environment was created without the need for a center speaker ..... of course no surround back sound.
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: meat_eater on Feb 01, 2015 at 08:58 PM
With regards to imaging, minsan and madalas sir nasa recording. It's how the instruments were panned, location of the mics for the depth, Eqing per individual instrument, and location of the instruments/performers. May mga recording na hindi mag-image properly because of recording. Madalas ang mix kasi nun, pang-masa" mix unlike yun mga audiophile recordings, talagang tama ang room, mic, positioning, gears etc. You can only "daya" sa HT to some extend pero malalaman mo, hindi defined ang images, masyadong malapad or malaki ang instruments over the other (pero sometimes sa micing din ito), too flat ang stage.


Yes po tama, but my point is, not all speakers image well. Some are better than others, assuming the same material is used. As for ht, me daya kasi me screen. Hehehehe, and of course me mga eq, but then again thats a different thing. Hehehe.

Cheers
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Feb 01, 2015 at 09:18 PM
Yes po tama, but my point is, not all speakers image well. Some are better than others, assuming the same material is used. As for ht, me daya kasi me screen. Hehehehe, and of course me mga eq, but then again thats a different thing. Hehehe.

Cheers

Haha! Oo nga. Malaking factor din ang room sa imaging. But then again, may mga speakers talaga who give better image than others. Still, it still doesn't conclude pa din na speakers that do not give better image are for HT. Hehe! di ba?

Tagay!






este Cheers!
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: meat_eater on Feb 01, 2015 at 09:25 PM
Haha! Oo nga. Malaking factor din ang room sa imaging. But then again, may mga speakers talaga who give better image than others. Still, it still doesn't conclude pa din na speakers that do not give better image are for HT. Hehe! di ba?

Tagay!






este Cheers!

Again, tama. Hehehe... Ako, i just switch banana plugs depende sa setup. Hehehe.

Pero ung iba, like mga htib, pwede naman for music... Pero ang sama ng tunug, hehehe....

Siguro size of the woofer and enclosure na din kasi ang limitation
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: bosyo on Feb 01, 2015 at 09:32 PM
Tagay!!!

para sa akin wala. eh parehong speaker lang naman yan.

pero ibang usapan na ang imaging, detalye, rooms &  treatment, sorround/low fq effects, dialog etc etc.

hehehhe

tagay ulet!!!
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: zram18 on Feb 01, 2015 at 09:52 PM
para sa akin, magkaiba po ang pang HT speakers sa pang music. thats the reason why others have two setups: one for HT and another for stereo music listening, if budget permits because that is the ideal way. however, some have only one setup because of limited funds available for this hobby but wishes to have dual setups too.

take a look at master anthony list of speakers. hiwalay po yung pang HT speakers nya sa pang music.

at hiwalay pa nga yung pang videoke speakers nya.. there must be a reason for these classification.

if i can talk to sir anthony someday, i will ask the technical reasons for this one.
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Feb 01, 2015 at 10:19 PM
Others naman, does not want to invest in expensive speakers for HT, like me. Hehe!
Pero tignan niyo naman si Streetsmart, mga focal be pa ang speakers for HT. Huwaw! Si jjohnc, mga reference speakers ng Dynes, pang bedroom setup lang.
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: oicnoreg on Feb 01, 2015 at 10:42 PM

Haha! Oo nga. Malaking factor din ang room sa imaging. But then again, may mga speakers talaga who give better image than others. Still, it still doesn't conclude pa din na speakers that do not give better image are for HT. Hehe! di ba?

Tagay!






este Cheers!

Ganda mag image yan sir Tagay! Yo....
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: dodie on Feb 01, 2015 at 11:15 PM
Others naman, does not want to invest in expensive speakers for HT, like me. Hehe!
Pero tignan niyo naman si Streetsmart, mga focal be pa ang speakers for HT. Huwaw! Si jjohnc, mga reference speakers ng Dynes, pang bedroom setup lang.

makikitagay master konsi!! hehehehe

sa HT application, forgiving kse yung mga gears sa speaker. center channel ang puso ng HT kse nandun yung vocals. hindi mo na kailangan ng speaker na magaling sa imaging(assuming ang source is constant) kse aided sya ng center speaker. kaya kung ako master ang tatanungin ang benchmark ko eh stereo listening... pag pangit sa stereo, tsugi na sa listahan ko... ;D ;D ;D ;D
kaya dapat talaga alam mo san mo gagamitin yung speaker mo, not necessarily dapat bago yung speaker mo...... sabi ng BMW preowned "sometimes brand is better than new" >:D
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: ♡ lvcdg23™ ✌ on Feb 02, 2015 at 10:14 AM
May na-audition ako dati.
Highly recommended kasi ng isang member.
Pinuntahan ko at pinakinggan ko sa dealer.
Unang set up ginamit namin sa 2-channel audio.
Pre-amp at power amp pa ang nag-drive.
Maganda at masarap sa tenga ang tunog, malambing :)
Pero nung sinubok na namin sa home theater set up, ayun parang ngo-ngo na...
Kahit nilagyan na ng ka-partner na center ngo-ngo pa din. Kapag battle or war scenes walang impact, masyadong dull ang surround effects.

Meron din naman akong nasubukang speakers sa home theater set up...
Ganda ng detalye, buhay na buhay ang effects.
Parang kapag nagbarilan eh tinatamaan din ako ;D
Tapos sinubok namin sa 2-channel audio set up...
Kapag female voices medyo matalas na(ear piercing)...
Mga instrumento masyadong over emphasized.
Nakakapagod makinig kahit 2 to 3 na kanta pa lang.

Iba't ibang applications talaga ang binabagayan ng speakers.
At pinaka-importante ay PERSONAL PREFERENCE ;)
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: Courage on Feb 02, 2015 at 12:05 PM

Meron din naman akong nasubukang speakers sa home theater set up...
Ganda ng detalye, buhay na buhay ang effects.
Parang kapag nagbarilan eh tinatamaan din ako ;D
Tapos sinubok namin sa 2-channel audio set up...
Kapag female voices medyo matalas na(ear piercing)...
Mga instrumento masyadong over emphasized.
Nakakapagod makinig kahit 2 to 3 na kanta pa lang.

Iba't ibang applications talaga ang binabagayan ng speakers.
At pinaka-importante ay PERSONAL PREFERENCE ;)

I experienced this with one Brand of speakers that i owned. Kahit anong gawin ko, di talaga ako makatagal when listening to music.. Masyado masakit sa tenga.. Using it for HT purposes i have no complaints... It's really good...

I replaced it with something that is good for both ayon sa aking pandinig... Kanya kanya lang talaga yan...
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: dodie on Feb 02, 2015 at 12:14 PM
At pinaka-importante ay PERSONAL PREFERENCE ;)

ayan to each his own talaga....hehehehehe ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: fattyacid on Feb 02, 2015 at 12:15 PM
Merong HT speakers na hindi masyadong ok sa music. Try mo makinig sa wall mount surround speakers at hanapin mo yung phantom image, hehe.

Try mo rin I-wall mount ang high end back ported bookshelves, hirap ata I-maximize yung positioning nun.

Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: JoeyGS on Feb 02, 2015 at 12:31 PM
There is also the aspect of speaker and amp matching for both HT and Audio. So it's not as simple as using a speaker from audio to HT as they both have different amps.  When you change utilization, you also need to check for matching so that you will have the expected output.
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: deist on Feb 02, 2015 at 02:17 PM
Yes, listener preference & system synergy play a major role in deciding which speakers are best suited for specific applications.

Speakers for movies need to have the ability to take the abuse of constant air movement since they mostly provide impact for ambient sound (explosions, low frequency hums from machines etc) and these drivers require heavy mass for their cones. The issue now with heavy mass cone designs is you will lose the ability to produce mid to high frequencies, thus you need to add drivers to specifically handle those tasks.

In movies, phase issues are most of the time negligible because from looking at the widescreen our eyes can tell the brain where the sound is coming from. Quite different with music listening, the brain relies on our ears to pinpoint the location of each sound, without the aid of our eyes the brain will produce a visual image based on data provided by the ears. So a delay in overlapping frequencies or phase issue is easily recognized since music is mostly transient sound, sudden peaks & troughs of frequencies. Crossovers are implemented to negate phase issues but again it depends on quality of parts, design & implementation then how it will  harmonize the drivers seamlessly.

Some engineers came up with an idea to resolve phase issue; by creating a single driver to handle a wide range of frequency - what we know as the full range driver.  ;)

Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: meat_eater on Feb 02, 2015 at 02:31 PM
There is also the aspect of speaker and amp matching for both HT and Audio. So it's not as simple as using a speaker from audio to HT as they both have different amps.  When you change utilization, you also need to check for matching so that you will have the expected output.

This is what I do actually.

HT - Connected to AVR (add C + S + Subs) + TV + AV sources

Stereo - Connected to tube amp + sources.

I initially set my stereo, after which swap ko ng banana, then connected sa AVR, I run audyssey. Viola, setup for both. hahaha. Might not be ideal, pero works for me. hehehe

Like sabi sa una, totoo - mas forgiving ang HT, and mas critical sa stereo, kaya mas me "tweaks" ako sa stereo - toe in, toe out, distance from walls, etc.

Like I've said before, its not exclusive for HT/Stereo - because on a technical standpoint, there really is no such thing. But some might be better than others depende sa applications, kaya dun papasok pa yung system matching.
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: bosyo on Feb 02, 2015 at 02:41 PM
yung friend ko gamit niya ay AN pang music at movies.
bastang nasa sweet spot, tapos na labanan :)

(http://i58.tinypic.com/2em0bko.jpg)

sa akin pwede na ang 2 channels sa movies kasi puro drama, romance lang naman ang pinapanood ko
bastang clear, clean ang dialogue oks na, di na kailangan ang mga effects.

hahhaha

tagay ulet!!!
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: sovrain on Feb 02, 2015 at 04:31 PM
My take? Wala!
wala na akong pambili ng ibang speakers ;D ;D....makikisubaybay lang

tagay din....he he he
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: -mhan- on Feb 02, 2015 at 04:48 PM
para sakin wala din.

depende na sa iba yan, kung may budget, e di wow!

may time nga lang din nag iinarate na ako dahil gusto ko separate din ang pang HT at Music. ;D

sabi nga nila wala basagan ng trip, basta may pambili, e di bira lang ng bira. >:D
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: shoktongxxx on Feb 02, 2015 at 05:28 PM
maganda tagayan dito este talakayan pala hehehe. :D

parang sa speakers pang HT and VIDEOKE, amp pang HT and VIDEOKE di maganda tunog pag pinagpalit sa application.. :-\

shot pa more.. ;)
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: synchro_01 on Feb 02, 2015 at 05:29 PM
In my experience THX designed LCR's (The LCR ones with M-T-T-M configuration) sound sooo dynamic in movies but are satisfactory performers in audio. My set is paired with its obligatory partner THX 6 channel amp and a THX approved pre/processor.

maybe Obsi can chime in on this since he is the THX guru.
Title: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: oicnoreg on Feb 02, 2015 at 05:37 PM
Dalawa na lang ang set up HT at stereo.....

Tagay! Hik... Hik
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: audiojunkie on Feb 02, 2015 at 06:21 PM
Makikitagay rin......

Ang masasabi ko lang... Saan na ang pulutan? ;D ;D


Kampay..!  >:D  ;)
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: sovrain on Feb 02, 2015 at 06:42 PM
Tekha, vaket naging lashingan na ang husapan ;D

shot pah! ;D
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: oicnoreg on Feb 02, 2015 at 07:42 PM

Makikitagay rin......

Ang masasabi ko lang... Saan na ang pulutan? ;D ;D


Kampay..!  >:D  ;)

Sir nelson ay bumili pa hik! ..... Cheers ;-)
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Feb 02, 2015 at 09:06 PM
Si meat eater nagsimula niyan cheers na yan eh. :D
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: ldrtrading on Feb 02, 2015 at 09:09 PM
My take? Wala!
wala na akong pambili ng ibang speakers ;D ;D....makikisubaybay lang

tagay din....he he he

The best that I've read so far...
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: meat_eater on Feb 02, 2015 at 09:10 PM
Si meat eater nagsimula niyan cheers na yan eh. :D

Hahahahaha

Cheers :)
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: CoolTOYZPH on Feb 02, 2015 at 09:41 PM
I like my Audio speakers to whisper and relax me, while I like my HT set-up to excite and thrill me.
Several attempts to mix both desired qualities have not succeeded despite multiple combinations.

I envy those who have succeeded in combining both HT and Audio set-ups.


I've been constantly reading comments that a speaker is good for HT or music & vice versa. Is there really such thing as speakers designed specifically for HT or music? If so, what would be the differences or characteristics that would seperate them.


My take:

Wala.  ;D

For me, both applications would require dynamics, details, broad freq range, accuracy, SPL etc.
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: dodie on Feb 03, 2015 at 12:20 AM
I like my Audio speakers to whisper and relax me, while I like my HT set-up to excite and thrill me.
Several attempts to mix both desired qualities have not succeeded despite multiple combinations.

I envy those who have succeeded in combining both HT and Audio set-ups.


ako boss jojo isa lang gmit ko na pair for ht and audio. palipat lipat lang ako ng IC(7 meters pa ;D)
di lang ako boss  maselan sa HT siguro kse karamihan ng movies ko encoded eh ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: ndotcom on Feb 03, 2015 at 07:59 AM
For me basta may center speaker yung model, series or line ng speakers pang HT yan and will stay away if stereo speakers ang hanap...
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Feb 03, 2015 at 08:24 AM
For me basta may center speaker yung model, series or line ng speakers pang HT yan and will stay away if stereo speakers ang hanap...


Ang focal Utopia BE ata may center speaker.  ;) Ang Samwon brand ng speakers, walang center speaker.  ;D
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: meat_eater on Feb 03, 2015 at 08:32 AM
Nako, eto na ang WORD WAR S (speakers). hehehehe  ;D
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Feb 03, 2015 at 11:22 AM
Nako, eto na ang WORD WAR S (speakers). hehehehe  ;D


Hehe! Hindi naman. And i'm not really trying to make a point. Alam niyo naman hindi ako masyadong subjective.  ;D Para lang ma-prove or disprove din natin ang mga ideas, including mine as well.  ;)

Pero I agree with the guys here na no matter what, preference pa din will rule.

So wala na akong tama and hangover. Let's get back to the topic.

Is there such thing as speakers for HT and speakers for stereo?
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: RXV on Feb 03, 2015 at 11:54 AM
I like my Audio speakers to whisper and relax me, while I like my HT set-up to excite and thrill me.
Several attempts to mix both desired qualities have not succeeded despite multiple combinations.

I envy those who have succeeded in combining both HT and Audio set-ups.



+1

Ganyan din ang nafefeel ko. Kanya kanyang timpla lang. But of course, YMMV.
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: cyberdraven on Feb 03, 2015 at 11:58 AM
personally, there should be no difference.  a speaker is a speaker.  nagkakatalo nalang sa preference.  most that i know, including me, loves warm tone, delicate midrange and laid-back music presentation.  kaiba naman sa HT, i would prefer ung lively and makalansing na tunog, specially on action movies.  hehehe!
Title: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: ♡ lvcdg23™ ✌ on Feb 03, 2015 at 11:58 AM
I like my Audio speakers to whisper and relax me, while I like my HT set-up to excite and thrill me.
Several attempts to mix both desired qualities have not succeeded despite multiple combinations.

I envy those who have succeeded in combining both HT and Audio set-ups.

Jojo,
You should try auditioning the Goldenear Triton 7...
For audio drive the pair with Tube Amp (Line Magnetic with 845 tubes)
For HT use it with Denon or Marantz AVR

;)
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: RXV on Feb 03, 2015 at 12:12 PM
personally, there should be no difference.  a speaker is a speaker.  nagkakatalo nalang sa preference.  most that i know, including me, loves warm tone, delicate midrange and laid-back music presentation.  kaiba naman sa HT, i would prefer ung lively and makalansing na tunog, specially on action movies.  hehehe!

+1 too
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: meat_eater on Feb 03, 2015 at 12:25 PM
personally, there should be no difference.  a speaker is a speaker.  nagkakatalo nalang sa preference.  most that i know, including me, loves warm tone, delicate midrange and laid-back music presentation.  kaiba naman sa HT, i would prefer ung lively and makalansing na tunog, specially on action movies.  hehehe!

So a solution is to get a neutral/flat sounding speaker.

Then connect it to a warm pre amp/amp for stereo, and then to a more dynamic and lively AVR. Best of both worlds :)

Or just a diff setup for both....

But then again it warrants the question, "Is there such thing as speakers for HT and speakers for stereo?"

hehehehe  ;D
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: qguy on Feb 03, 2015 at 03:59 PM
In a perfect world, NONE

Loudspeakers are designed to "Faithfully" re-create what is on the source material regardless if its Susan Wong whispering loves notes to you or a Galactic cruiser travelling at warp speed. Sadly not all loudspeakers and the engineers designing them can do this, their hands are tied due to available technology, cost, size and target market constraints.  So what the manufacturers end up is several "types" of speakers to cater to each need. Some are brash for HT and some are seductively sweet for 2 channel listening, but at the other end of the spectrum, the uber high end, you can have your HT and Music too without compromises
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: majoe on Feb 03, 2015 at 04:24 PM
wala rin  ;D

kahit 2 units na pang center channel speaker, pwede rin i setup na stereo basta ba magugustuhan mo eh, hehe. eh kung 2 subwoofer kaya ?  ::)

pero meron nito.

high end / expensive speakers - pang audio lang baka kasi masira lang sa HT lalu na pag ginamit sa videoke.




Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: majoe on Feb 03, 2015 at 04:39 PM
di pala kasali videoke setup. hehe.

in fairness, mas gusto ko pakinggan yung music o sound track sa closing credits ng movie kesa i play yung music sa dedicated stereo setup. iba ang dating sakin. bakit kaya?  ???
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: qguy on Feb 03, 2015 at 05:10 PM
Your distracted by the video.... try to close the video or close your eyes while still playing the movie

di pala kasali videoke setup. hehe.

in fairness, mas gusto ko pakinggan yung music o sound track sa closing credits ng movie kesa i play yung music sa dedicated stereo setup. iba ang dating sakin. bakit kaya?  ???
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: tony on Feb 03, 2015 at 05:15 PM

My take:

Wala.  ;D



dapat lang.......
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: tony on Feb 03, 2015 at 05:17 PM
Your distracted by the video.... try to close the video or close your eyes while still playing the movie


the video enhances the listening experience, since two senses are at work here....
like listening/watching to concert videos for example, you know where the performers are and
that lessens the brains' work, less guessing by the brain....
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: bosyo on Feb 03, 2015 at 07:52 PM
wala rin  ;D

kahit 2 units na pang center channel speaker, pwede rin i setup na stereo basta ba magugustuhan mo eh, hehe. eh kung 2 subwoofer kaya ?  ::)

pero meron nito.

high end / expensive speakers - pang audio lang baka kasi masira lang sa HT lalu na pag ginamit sa videoke.


dalawang center setup ko dati,  noong college days 85's ata yun
sub passive na pioneer L & R  pang AM radio hanggang ngayon ginagamit ko pa.

hehhehe
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: luis on Feb 05, 2015 at 10:31 AM
in my case the difference lies in the sound characteristic preference.

for movies - more of neutral sounding speakers with warmish receiver.
for music - more of round full body sounding speakers matched with neutral warmish amp.

my actual HT set up: yung fronts ng HT ko nakikisaksak lang sa 2 channel set-up speakers ko. of course my HT has separate center and surrounds.

mas higher level yung speakers ng 2 channel set-up.

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Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: newbie pa rin on Feb 10, 2015 at 08:59 AM
I think it boils down to preference. Ung mga harsh sounding speakers ung madali and ear fatigue, i find them good for HT and will not use them for music.
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: qguy on Feb 10, 2015 at 10:21 AM
True,  you can get away with "cheaper" speakers in HT. I use a Pioneer speakers from a mini compo in our bedroom HT and I can live with it.


 
I think it boils down to preference. Ung mga harsh sounding speakers ung madali and ear fatigue, i find them good for HT and will not use them for music.
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: CoolTOYZPH on Feb 10, 2015 at 10:36 AM
Master Louie, we have tried this combination(Triton7 + Tube Amp/SS Mcintosh) and personal taste finds it a bit too forward and a bit heavy on the low end. Very detailed but lacks warmth. But for HT the Triton 7 is mind blowing.
Jojo,
You should try auditioning the Goldenear Triton 7...
For audio drive the pair with Tube Amp (Line Magnetic with 845 tubes)
For HT use it with Denon or Marantz AVR

;)
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: cyberdraven on Feb 10, 2015 at 06:29 PM
how about watching concerts?  would you opt to use your stereo set-up or HT one?  hehe
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: tony on Feb 10, 2015 at 08:11 PM
HT for me....
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: CoolTOYZPH on Feb 10, 2015 at 08:31 PM
Often my friends and I use a 2.2 system listening to Blu-ray concerts. Sound output from source is set to stereo.


how about watching concerts?  would you opt to use your stereo set-up or HT one?  hehe
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: zram18 on Feb 10, 2015 at 09:28 PM
not only Concerts but also MTVs. Stereo is better
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: nogo on Feb 10, 2015 at 09:36 PM
not only Concerts but also MTVs. Stereo is better
But not if audio is DoldyTrue HD and DTS-MA. 
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Feb 10, 2015 at 11:17 PM
For me, masmaganda ang SQ ng HD audio. May mga magagandang recordings din ng concerts. Yun magaganda, napansin ko, front pa din ang image ng performer pero masarap pakinggan ang mga palakpakan coming from the sides and back.

Kung dvd format, parang walang difference sa SQ ang stereo mode and multi-channel. Pero when you use HD audio ng Bluray, parang halatang masyadong compressed ang tunog kapag nag-stereo ka. Mababa din kasi ang audio resolution ng stereo encoding ng mga bluray vs HD audio. Tunog red book quality ang HD audio for me.
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Feb 10, 2015 at 11:19 PM
And, re topic na HT and music speakers, kung ang pag-uusapan ay preference, some would want it warm and others, bright either for HT or music, would it be safe to say na walang difference supposedly?
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: sovrain on Feb 11, 2015 at 11:41 AM
In one of my  experience sa audition, first is for movie, mangha ako sa sound, maganda! then after a while, I ask naman on 2 channel lang, brought out my own CD, played some, wherein, parang my hanap akong characteristics ng sound na wala doon sa speakers, I ask also their demo CD dahil nga parang di ako kuntento pa...pero ganoon pa rin. So, nagpasalamat ako, got out and went to another store :) ....so, maybe, may difference nga or it's just a personal preference....di rin ako sure ;D ang gulo ko ;D :D :D
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: mak_mak on Feb 15, 2015 at 12:30 AM


Is there such thing as speakers for HT and speakers for stereo?
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Tatay nelson, maganda po kayang gamitin 2 centre channel for stereo?
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: james16 on Feb 15, 2015 at 02:35 AM
Naalala ko ito about a decade ago regarding this topic nung active pa mga gulaman boys tungkol sa pang-HT at music speakers, at isang basehan ko was sa sinehan na maganda ang sounds sa movies, hinde maganda ang sound nya sa music (yung intermission sa next showtime nun). Also sa pagkakatanda ko na for music speakers mas "warm" dapat (more soothing sound at mas gaganahan ka makinig) then for HT, mas "bright" ang okay for the details and sound effects sa movies.
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: Dracula on Feb 15, 2015 at 02:44 AM
Sonus Faber would probably work for a single set-up for HT and Music....although I'm not sure what would work with regards to amplification...I was looking into a NAD and Sonus Faber set-up a couple of years back......
Title: Re: HT & Music Speakers Differences
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Feb 15, 2015 at 10:35 AM

Is there such thing as speakers for HT and speakers for stereo?


Tatay nelson, maganda po kayang gamitin 2 centre channel for stereo?

Baka masmaganda gumamit ka na lang ng isang malaking center speaker or floorstander as center.


Naalala ko ito about a decade ago regarding this topic nung active pa mga gulaman boys tungkol sa pang-HT at music speakers, at isang basehan ko was sa sinehan na maganda ang sounds sa movies, hinde maganda ang sound nya sa music (yung intermission sa next showtime nun).

Minsan sir nasa recording din yun. Plus, mahirap din I-fine tune ang movie house because ang laki niya sir. Kaya madalas warm siya, is because they cannot make it brighter otherwise, kawawa yun mga audience na malapit sa speakers. :D  Probably same reason din why some people like me find most auto-calibrations warm to dark sounding, because katunog ng auto calibration ang movie house.
But that's just me sir.

Also sa pagkakatanda ko na for music speakers mas "warm" dapat (more soothing sound at mas gaganahan ka makinig) then for HT, mas "bright" ang okay for the details and sound effects sa movies.

That's preference sir.