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Community => Big Talk => Chit-Chat => Religion => Topic started by: Ice Storm on Aug 17, 2015 at 10:37 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y1xJAVZxXg
I'm in the wrong business.
Hint: "Manila" is mentioned. ;)
Admin: How do I hotlink the youtube video?
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Power!
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A tad heavy handed? A bit too obvious? :)
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Manila paper?
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I was gonna post this. Brilliant piece by John Oliver. He's filling the gap vacated by Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert.
Mukhang mapera ang religion, ah. Mas maraming uto-uto dito sa Pinas. Lots of money to be made.
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I dont look at it that way. If it makes the followers happy that their preacher gets his airplane and $$$ then good on them.
Wish it was me getting the free plane and money.
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may baligtad na payong din kaya sa amerika?
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I was gonna post this. Brilliant piece by John Oliver. He's filling the gap vacated by Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert.
Mukhang mapera ang religion, ah. Mas maraming uto-uto dito sa Pinas. Lots of money to be made.
May pera ba ang relihiyon? Tao may pera pero relihiyon wala. Ginagamit ang relihiyon bilang pamamaraan para makakuha ng pera. Pero kung ako tatanungin mas maraming uto uto sa alak at sigarilyo. Alam naman natin na hindi maganda sa kalusugan pero bakit ba dami inu uto uto.
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religion is big bizness
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Tayo ka ng sarili mong relihiyon at maging tagapangasiwa. Limpak limpak na salapi ang hinaharap mo.
Walang pinagkaiba sa mga ibang samahan kung saan akala mo kaakibat mo sa paninindigan subalit pera lang pala habol sa iyo. Tawag ata dun ay "membership fee".
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rascal101 alcohol and tobacco stimulates the pleasure center of the brain. Try living without foods that do not contain any type of processed sweetener (refined white or brown sugar, muscavado, fructose, high frucstose corn syrup, aspertaine, etc) and you'd notice a less "fuller" life.
It takes active will to get off it.
As for religion it could also give the same "high".
Again, wish I was the evangelist making the tax free cash and other assets. :)
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Ang relihiyon po para sa akin ay hindi nagbibigay ng "high" gaya ng alak at sigarilyo.
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Ang relihiyon po para sa akin ay hindi nagbibigay ng "high" gaya ng alak at sigarilyo.
cigarette/alcohol will give you spirits... :)
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Good work John Oliver
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/08/20/irs-televangelists-john-oliver/
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Kung charismatic lang ako and magaling mag memorize ng Bible passages, I'd really start my own.
My children and my children's children will be set for life.
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Ang relihiyon po para sa akin ay hindi nagbibigay ng "high" gaya ng alak at sigarilyo.
Let me repharase. Religious uplifts you. :)
Lookie lookie the IRS is being pressured to tax televangelsits.
http://uproxx.com/tv/2015/08/last-week-tonight-irs-televangelists/
If successful it may be enough to get people to lobby the BIR to do the same here.Kung charismatic lang ako and magaling mag memorize ng Bible passages, I'd really start my own.
My children and my children's children will be set for life.
Or making youtube videos saying their lives are in danger by their siblings. ;)
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Let me repharase. Religious uplifts you. :)
Lookie lookie the IRS is being pressured to tax televangelsits.
http://uproxx.com/tv/2015/08/last-week-tonight-irs-televangelists/
If successful it may be enough to get people to lobby the BIR to do the same here.Or making youtube videos saying their lives are in danger by their siblings. ;)
Para sa akin ipinamumukha ng relihiyon na kailangan kong maging mapagkumbaba. Ito ay hindi "high" kundi "low". Ipamumukha ng relihiyon na tao lang ako at may hangganan ang lahat at ang bawat sandali ay mahalaga. Kung kayat wala akong panahon para magkaroon ng pakiramdam na "high".
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naku, saan ka naman nakakita ng lider ng relihiyon na ganyan?
tanging si Kristo lang ang naglakad sa mundo na saplot lang sa katawan ang dala,
walang private army or bodyguards, nabuhay ng payak at hindi nagkasala....
so ganitong pamantayan, meron kayang tunay na relihiyon?
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naku, saan ka naman nakakita ng lider ng relihiyon na ganyan?
tanging si Kristo lang ang naglakad sa mundo na saplot lang sa katawan ang dala,
walang private army or bodyguards, nabuhay ng payak at hindi nagkasala....
so ganitong pamantayan, meron kayang tunay na relihiyon?
there is always right and true religion or church but there is no perfect religion/church, not until Christ second coming.
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to me all religions are money makers, simple as that...
makes me wonder, sinong Kristo ang sinasabi nila?
eh kahit naman ang diablo pwedeng magrecite ng bible...
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to me all religions are money makers, simple as that...
makes me wonder, sinong Kristo ang sinasabi nila?
eh kahit naman ang diablo pwedeng magrecite ng bible...
that's it bro
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there is always right and true religion or church
What do you mean by right and true?
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to me all religions are money makers, simple as that...
makes me wonder, sinong Kristo ang sinasabi nila?
eh kahit naman ang diablo pwedeng magrecite ng bible...
(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/003735685/219111389_hitnail_answer_1_xlarge.jpeg)
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to me all religions are money makers, simple as that...
makes me wonder, sinong Kristo ang sinasabi nila?
eh kahit naman ang diablo pwedeng magrecite ng bible...
Hindi ibig sabihin na minamasama mo relihiyon ay tama na sinasabi mo. Pero sa palagay ko marami pa rin naniniwala sa relihiyon at ito ang nagbibigay ng gabay sa kanila sa tamang pamumuhay. Hindi kaya ng isang tao mabuhay na parang isla. Kailangan natin ng kapwa upang mas maliwanagan tayo sa iba't ibang bagay.
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minamasama ang relihiyon?, hindi siguro.... nagsabi lang ako ng totoo.., pero....
tama ka, opinion ko lang base sa 62 years of watching the world events that have unfolded...
pero sino nga kaya ang nagtayo ng relihiyon na hindi nagkamal ng salapi? meron ba?
hindi naman malaking issue, dahil lahat ng ipinundar nila sa lupa, mananatili sa lupa...
ang tao ay ipnanganganak, nabubuhay at sa takdang panahon ay namamatay...
walang mgakapagpapasinungaling sa katotohanan na ito...
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Pero kung titingnan natin halos lahat majority ng world event simula sa panahon ni constatonople ay may kinlaman ang roman catholics - the number 1 highest money maker in the world imho.
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Pero kung titingnan natin halos lahat majority ng world event simula sa panahon ni constatonople ay may kinlaman ang roman catholics - the number 1 highest money maker in the world imho.
totoo rin yan....kaya nga nilahat ko.... >:D
i am a catholic, but i acknowledge that our church committed atrocities and anomalies...
you name it, they probably did it....... :'(
i am not a catholic because of our church, i am a catholic because of Jesus Christ....
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Hindi ibig sabihin na minamasama mo relihiyon ay tama na sinasabi mo. Pero sa palagay ko marami pa rin naniniwala sa relihiyon at ito ang nagbibigay ng gabay sa kanila sa tamang pamumuhay. Hindi kaya ng isang tao mabuhay na parang isla. Kailangan natin ng kapwa upang mas maliwanagan tayo sa iba't ibang bagay.
It's true na kailangan natin ang kapwa. It doesn't follow though na kailangan natin ang religion para mamuhay ng matawasay at mapayapa kasama ng kapwa. Opposite pa nga eh. Yan ang point ni John Lennon.
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to me all religions are money makers, simple as that...
makes me wonder, sinong Kristo ang sinasabi nila?
eh kahit naman ang diablo pwedeng magrecite ng bible...
yan ang tinatawag na false prophets
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It's true na kailangan natin ang kapwa. It doesn't follow though na kailangan natin ang religion para mamuhay ng matawasay at mapayapa kasama ng kapwa. Opposite pa nga eh. Yan ang point ni John Lennon.
GMRC na lang kasi dapat, wala nang relihiyon. ;D
(It's both a joke and serious opinion)
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GMRC na lang kasi dapat, wala nang relihiyon. ;D
(It's both a joke and serious opinion)
agree tayo jan, and john lennon to me makes more sense than pat robertson....
jim jones was one such devil bible toting more than 700 members to their death in guyana...
david koresh led his members to the inferno end in waco texas...
in the catholic church are embezzlers, pedophiles and what have you,
walang nakapagtataka doon, tao lang din naman sila...
yung mga taga iglesia ni soriano, inaakusahan ang mga taga iglesia ni manalo ng
mga krimen laban sa mga kasapi at di kasapi, pero kung susuriin ang kasaysayan,
wala yon sa kalingkingan ng ginawang mga krimen ng simbahang katoliko....
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It's true na kailangan natin ang kapwa. It doesn't follow though na kailangan natin ang religion para mamuhay ng matawasay at mapayapa kasama ng kapwa. Opposite pa nga eh. Yan ang point ni John Lennon.
May punto ko diyan ngunit ang relihiyon ang nagbibigay ng gabay sapagkat sa relihiyon may simbahan at ang simbahan ay samahan ng sumasamba sa Diyos. Sa ibang matatalino sa mundo, marahil hindi angkop sa kanila ang mga sinasabi ng iba't ibang relihiyon kung kaya't iniiba nila ang kanilang daanan (kalsada) angkop sa kanilang paniniwala. Ang masasabi ko lang doon ay, wala naman perpektong relihiyon dahil ang tagapangasiwa ay tao lamang na kumukuha ng inspirasyon sa Diyos. Pero kahit ganun pa man hindi rin maikakait na maraming nagagawang mabuti ang relihiyon. Nasa sa tao na iyon kung iiral ang pagtingin niya sa kabutihan na nagawa ng relihiyon o maling gawain ng mga tagapangasiwa.
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agree tayo jan, and john lennon to me makes more sense that pat robertson....
jim jones was one such devil bible toting more than 700 members to their death in guyana...
david koresh led his members to the inferno end in waco texas...
in the catholic church are embezzlers, pedophiles and what have you,
walang nakapagtataka doon, tao lang din naman sila...
yung mga taga iglesia ni soriano, inaakusahan ang mga taga iglesia ni manalo ng
mga krimen laban sa mga kasapi at di kasapi, pero kung susuriin ang kasaysayan,
wala yon sa kalingkingan ng ginawang mga krimen ng simbahang katoliko....
Dami kasi Katoliko kaya marami ring nagawa hindi tama. Pero ano ba dapat nating tignan ang ginawang kasamahan ng mga taong nasa Katolikong simbahan o iyung mga tamang turo ng Katolikong simbahan?
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I can't follow a church that hasn't even paid for their crimes against humanity.
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Dami kasi Katoliko kaya marami ring nagawa hindi tama. Pero ano ba dapat nating tignan ang ginawang kasamahan ng mga taong nasa Katolikong simbahan o iyung mga tamang turo ng Katolikong simbahan?
kung makikita mo na ang mga kagawad at namumuno ng
anu mang simbahan ay mga tao lamang at hindi mga santo,
madaling maunawaan ang mga nangyari......
si Kristo lamang ang dapat tignan...
yung mga kabuktutan ng mga taong simbahan napag-uusapan lang, hindi na dapat tularan...
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I can't follow a church that hasn't even paid for their crimes against humanity.
yes, i don't even recall if the catholic church ever apologized for the murder of our hero Dr, Jose Rizal...
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yes, i don't even recall if the catholic church ever apologized for the murder of our hero Dr, Jose Rizal...
Hindi kasalanan ng Katolikong simbahan iyun. Kasalanan ng mga prayle na ginagamit ang simbahan para sa kanilang personal na kapakanan.
Bakit mo naman idinugtong na kasalanan ng Katolikong simbahan ito? Kung ganito rin lang eh di puwede nating sabihin na masama ang Amerika tutal sinakop tayo at kasalukuyang sinasakop sa ngalan ng negosyo. Eh paano naman pala mga Intsik na sinasamantala ang Pilipinas? Masama din sila. Huwag na tayong makipag negosyo dahil masama sila. Idawit na natin lahat ng Intsik.
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Hindi kasalanan ng Katolikong simbahan iyun. Kasalanan ng mga prayle na ginagamit ang simbahan para sa kanilang personal na kapakanan.
Bakit mo naman idinugtong na kasalanan ng Katolikong simbahan ito? Kung ganito rin lang eh di puwede nating sabihin na masama ang Amerika tutal sinakop tayo at kasalukuyang sinasakop sa ngalan ng negosyo. Eh paano naman pala mga Intsik na sinasamantala ang Pilipinas? Masama din sila. Huwag na tayong makipag negosyo dahil masama sila. Idawit na natin lahat ng Intsik.
let me remind you that before the Americans colonized us,
the catholic church also exercised political powers...
again let me remind you that we are merely discussing history,
not for me to pass judgement on things past...
just to know that things happened in the past that young people today may never appreciate...
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Hindi kasalanan ng Katolikong simbahan iyun. Kasalanan ng mga prayle na ginagamit ang simbahan para sa kanilang personal na kapakanan.
so the killing and persecution of scientists centuries ago were done for personal reasons and not mandated by the Catholic Church? ever heard of the Catholic Inquisition?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition
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so the killing and persecution of scientists centuries ago were done for personal reasons and not mandated by the Catholic Church? ever heard of the Catholic Inquisition?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition
no, it was never the church itself, it was how the people in the church interpreted
what ought to be done at the time, those people held so much power that they
went mad by the powers that they had.....
thus, the things we see today happening in the INC for example is the result
of having too much money and power in their hands, what are they in power for?
remove the money and they will become meek as lambs...
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But it still doesn't change the fact that it had the approval and endorsement of the church.
"The Inquisition is[1] a group of institutions within the judicial system of the Roman Catholic Church whose aim was to combat heresy."
It's not separate from the Catholic Church. It was an institution within the Catholic Church specifically tasked to combat heresy.
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Hindi lang approval as in acceptance of what is already existing. With official authorization pa, as in officially granting powers before the act is performed.
In the 13th century, the Pope himself issued a papal bull authorizing torture to extract confessions from heretics.
Official practice ang torture noon. Hindi yan gawa lang ng mga masigasig na church members.
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But it still doesn't change the fact that it had the approval and endorsement of the church.
"The Inquisition is[1] a group of institutions within the judicial system of the Roman Catholic Church whose aim was to combat heresy."
It's not separate from the Catholic Church. It was an institution within the Catholic Church specifically tasked to combat heresy.
Yan nga ang sinasabi ko na the Catholic Church also preaches exclusivity in salvation.
Otherwise bakit nila ipepersecute ang kino-consider nila na heretics (Christians din who have different set of beliefs than RC) kung in the end pare-parehas din palang maliligtas?
ang problema lang sa marami, akala nila hindi ganyan ang doktrina sa RC kaya pag nakakita ng ibang exclusivity doctrine sa ibang faith, sinosolo daw ang salvation.
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But it still doesn't change the fact that it had the approval and endorsement of the church.
"The Inquisition is[1] a group of institutions within the judicial system of the Roman Catholic Church whose aim was to combat heresy."
It's not separate from the Catholic Church. It was an institution within the Catholic Church specifically tasked to combat heresy.
yes, anything that the leaders of the church did back then is also the act of the Church...
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Yan nga ang sinasabi ko na the Catholic Church also preaches exclusivity in salvation.
ang exclusivity sa RC ay sa paniniwala na, "si Kristo ang daan sa Ama...." yung yon,
hindi ang pagsapi sa simbahan ng RC...
Otherwise bakit nila ipepersecute ang kino-consider nila na heretics (Christians din who have different set of beliefs than RC) kung in the end pare-parehas din palang maliligtas?
ang problema lang sa marami, akala nila hindi ganyan ang doktrina sa RC kaya pag nakakita ng ibang exclusivity doctrine sa ibang faith, sinosolo daw ang salvation.
kasi naman hindi na kailangan sabihin ng RC yan, sadyang napakaraming members na,
i remember na inutusan ni brother mike ang mga kasapi ng EL Shadai na maghakot ng at least 2 new member ang bawat kasapi....
ang persecution ay pakana ng mga namumuno....hindi aral ng simbahan yan...
wala sa kanila ang pangaral ni Jesus na ibigin ang kapwa...
eh yung Iglesia ni Soriano nga tatakutin ka rin, sasabihan kang hindi marunong makaintindi ng bible,
kulang na lang sabihan ka na bobo ka pag hindi ka umanib sa kanila...
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Hindi lang approval as in acceptance of what is already existing. With official authorization pa, as in officially granting powers before the act is performed.
In the 13th century, the Pope himself issued a papal bull authorizing torture to extract confessions from heretics.
Official practice ang torture noon. Hindi yan gawa lang ng mga masigasig na church members.
dahil noong mga panahon na yon, merong political powers ang RC,
ngayon nila gawin yon, me kakalagyan sila...
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Kasi self sustaining na ang CC kaya di na kailangan gawin yung style nila INS and El Shadai. Everyday may pinapanganak na bata after a few months binyag. Kaya ako pag nagkaanak di ko binyagan habang baby pa. I'll let him decide if he wants to join a religion or not pag malaki na siya. Binyag while infant or anything less than an adolescent is nothing short of child indoctrination.
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^kaya nga money making, KBL tiyak yan....
parang mineral water lang, meron at merong bibile...
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ang exclusivity sa RC ay sa paniniwala na, "si Kristo ang daan sa Ama...." yung yon,
hindi ang pagsapi sa simbahan ng RC...
Hindi official Catholic doctrine ang sinasabi mo na yan sir.
Mas maniniwala ako sa awtoridad Katolika kaysa sa opinyon ng miyembro.
Ang official Catholic Doctrine ay extra ecclesiam nulla salus (outside of the church there is no salvation).
Eto ang paliwanag ng mga papa:
“There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215. (http://catholicism.org/lateran-iv.html))
“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302. (http://catholicism.org/unam-sanctam.html))
"The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441. (http://catholicism.org/cantate-domino.html))
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kasi naman mga lasing sa kapangyarihan ang mga otoridad na yan....
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Official Catholic doctrine pa rin hanggang ngayon ang extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
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masamang modelo ng religion ang RC,
ginagaya ng iba, hindi dapat pinaamarisan...
alam na nga nlang mali susunod pa..... >:(
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Hindi official Catholic doctrine ang sinasabi mo na yan sir.
Mas maniniwala ako sa awtoridad Katolika kaysa sa opinyon ng miyembro.
Ang official Catholic Doctrine ay extra ecclesiam nulla salus (outside of the church there is no salvation).
Eto ang paliwanag ng mga papa:
“There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215. (http://catholicism.org/lateran-iv.html))
“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302. (http://catholicism.org/unam-sanctam.html))
"The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441. (http://catholicism.org/cantate-domino.html))
This is correct.
ang problema, hindi alam ng myembro kaya pag nakakita ng ibang sekta na ganyan din ang belief, akala nila hindi ganyan ang sa kanila.
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so the killing and persecution of scientists centuries ago were done for personal reasons and not mandated by the Catholic Church? ever heard of the Catholic Inquisition?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inquisition
Under the circumstances and prevalent mentality at the time, I believe it was the "right" decision by the Catholic hierarchy. Good decision making I believe is not necessarily about being "right" but being tenable, being able to live with it and being able to implement it.
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Right para sa kanila. Bad for humanity.
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You are right. This is how the world works.
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Official Catholic doctrine pa rin hanggang ngayon ang extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
di pa ba superceded yan sa mga bagong pronouncement ng pope?
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di pa ba superceded yan sa mga bagong pronouncement ng pope?
"Necessary for Salvation
As we have seen, God introduced salvation to the world through his chosen people, the Jews. God’s revelation to the Jews found its fulfillment in Christ, the Messiah, who established the Catholic Church. The grace necessary for salvation continues to come from Christ, through his Church. Those who innocently do not know and embrace this might still attain salvation but those who knowingly and willingly choose to reject it, reject salvation on God’s terms.
The Catechism (once again quoting Lumen Gentium) summarizes all this as follows:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it. (CCC 846)"
http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/what-no-salvation-outside-the-church-means
exactly how other sects teach their own exclusivity doctrine.
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di pa ba superceded yan sa mga bagong pronouncement ng pope?
never in recent memory have i heard anyone from the RC church mention that only catholics will be saved..
in all the masses i have been to, it was never mentioned....
if you are attending masses, you will know the doctrine of the church being recited in the mass itself...
whoever wrote that only catholics will be saved must be lunatics....
salvation is open to all that recognized Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour,
the Messiah that is the only true path to our Father in Heaven...
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Right para sa kanila. Bad for humanity.
wrong is wrong no matter what time.....
very clear from Moses' commandments, "thou shall not kill"....
that is unforgivable......mananagot sila sa Diyos....
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never in recent memory have i heard anyone from the RC church mention that only catholics will be saved..
in all the masses i have been to, it was never mentioned....
if you are attending masses, you will know the doctrine of the church being recited in the mass itself...
whoever wrote that only catholics will be saved must be lunatics....
salvation is open to all that recognized Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour,
the Messiah that is the only true path to our Father in Heaven...
That is why Catholics do not know that is a doctrine of RC.
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That is why Catholics do not know that is a doctrine of RC.
that doctrine is wrong, simply not acceptable to me....
i will get confirmation when i meet my maker....
until that time, no one can tell me otherwise...
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that doctrine is wrong, simply not acceptable to me....
i will get confirmation when i meet my maker....
until that time, no one can tell me otherwise...
it's not about what you think.
Its about whether RC has an exclusivity in salvation doctrine or none.
The fact is indeed it has
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then what?
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never in recent memory have i heard anyone from the RC church mention that only catholics will be saved..
in all the masses i have been to, it was never mentioned....
... whoever wrote that only catholics will be saved must be lunatics....
Are you aware of the Catholic doctrine of Papal Infallibility?
Since this statement was issued by a Pope, then it should be considered by Catholics as infallible ---
“There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215. (http://catholicism.org/lateran-iv.html))
Catholics would not consider the Pope's statement ex cathedra as the pronouncement of a lunatic. They are duty-bound to recognize it as infallible ("Preserved from the possibility of error").
that doctrine is wrong, simply not acceptable to me....
i will get confirmation when i meet my maker....
until that time, no one can tell me otherwise...
If you are Catholic, you cannot say it is wrong. You have the obligation to recognize the statement of the Pope as infallible.
First, leave the Catholic church. Then say it is wrong.
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Under the circumstances and prevalent mentality at the time, I believe it was the "right" decision by the Catholic hierarchy. Good decision making I believe is not necessarily about being "right" but being tenable, being able to live with it and being able to implement it.
Hindi na naman iyan ang official Catholic position.
The Catholic church does not say that the Inquisition was correct during the middle ages. The Catholic church admits that it was wrong.
Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict apologized for the "Christian violence" inflicted by the church through the ages, which is a good thing. This is a commendable act of humility, stated even if they were aware that it could undermine Catholic authority among their members.
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Are you aware of the Catholic doctrine of Papal Infallibility?
Since this statement was issued by a Pope, then it should be considered by Catholics as infallible ---
Catholics would not consider the Pope's statement ex cathedra as the pronouncement of a lunatic. They are duty-bound to recognize it as infallible.
If you are Catholic, you cannot say it is wrong. You have the obligation to recognize the statement of the Pope as infallible.
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Hindi na naman iyan ang official Catholic position.
The Catholic church does not say that the Inquisition was correct during the middle ages. The Catholic church admits that it was wrong.
Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict apologized for the "Christian violence" inflicted by the church through the ages, which is a good thing. This is a commendable act of humility, stated even if they were aware that it could undermine Catholic authority among their members.
yes, but we do not take that seriously, Pope Francis himself says he is a sinner...
Only Jesus is infallible, not man, any pope is only a man....
respect is never imposed, it is earned....
one thing about our church, we can openly criticize it today and not fear na makidnap or maharrass like what we are seeing with the INC now...
during the time of Rizal, the catholic church had political clout to cause his martyrdom...
no more today, our church can not do that anymore...
so here we see a church that evolved over time...
from what i know, INC members are not supposed to join unions,
kaya nga companies are likely to hire them, and yet today we see
about 500 INC members rallying at the DOJ....
what if somebody throws a grenade in the midst of them?
civil war na?
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yes, but we do not take that seriously, Pope Francis himself says he is a sinner...
Only Jesus is infallible, not man, any pope is only a man....
You do not take that seriously? You don't seem to be familiar with Catholic doctrine.
I used to be a devout Catholic, so I know what i'm talking about.
Catholic doctrine believes that the Pope is not infallible in all matters. The Pope can sin, and he can make mistakes like all of us.
When is the Pope considered infallible?
When the Pope speaks "ex-cathedra" (official authoritative teaching), his statement is considered infallible. But he is fallible in other matters.
Why is the Pope infallible when speaking ex-cathedra? Because of the "petrine supremacy" of the Pope. The doctrine of infallibility is based on the power given by Peter to all of his successors, which are the Catholic Popes.
If you reject that very basic doctrine, you have no business being Catholic.
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church doctrine made by man can be changed by man....
church doctrine coming from Christ himself will never change...
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church doctrine made by man can be changed by man....
church doctrine coming from Christ himself will never change...
That's exactly my point.
If doctrine keeps changing, then it was made by man. It did not come from God.
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there are many of us in the church who know that much...
the RC has undergone many transformations,
the pope is now going to investigate pedophiles in the church...
the RC committed a lot of atrocities, lots of sins swept under the rag...
but over time they acknowledged their mistakes and made ammends...
i am a believer in the addage, "a tree is known by the fruit it bears or the shadow it casts..."
and if its of God, then it will endure for thousands of years...
whatever we do today, whatever we say can be nothing in the eyes of God....
Only God truly knows what is in our hearts and minds...
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there are many of us in the church who know that much...
the RC has undergone many transformations,
the pope is now going to investigate pedophiles in the church...
the RC committed a lot of atrocities, lots of sins swept under the rag...
but over time they acknowledged their mistakes and made ammends...
i am a believer in the addage, "a tree is known by the fruit it bears or the shadow it casts..."
Yes, they acknowledged their mistakes. Reform is good for the Catholic church.
But they have never admitted that the doctrine of Papal Infallibility is wrong.
The members have no problem with it, since very few of them are even aware that such a doctrine exists.
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even if they admit it or not, it is wrong, borne out of medieval thinking
that has no place in the modern world...
God is God, man is man, there can be no interchanging of roles....
i think that i may have to write the Holy Father a letter asking for clarification....;)
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Well at least, open-minded ka naman sir. Hindi yung panatiko sa relihiyon.
Tungkol sa unfamiliarity ng Katoliko sa sariling doktrina, bigyan kita ng example.
Noong nagsisimba pa ako regularly, may kinakanta sa simbahan, sabi ng lyrics, "Kordero ng Diyos na nag-aalis ng mga kasalanan ng sanlibutan."
Tanong ko sa mga barkadang Katoliko, ano pagkaalam mo sa salitang "kordero ng Diyos" na lyrics ng himno?
Hindi alam.
O sige, padaliin pa natin. Ano yung "kordero"?
Hindi rin alam.
Tuwing misa kinakanta yon, pero "kordero" lang hindi alam kung ano.
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naroon yung mga panatiko sa harap ng DOJ, huwag daw mangialam si De Lima sa INC,
eh bakit pag election time dinidikta nila sa members kung sino ang iboboto?
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naroon yung mga panatiko sa harap ng DOJ, huwag daw mangialam si De Lima sa INC,
eh bakit pag election time dinidikta nila sa members kung sino ang iboboto?
Ikaw naman sir... ;)
Hindi problema sa kanila yan. Maraming contact ang INC sa gobyerno. Kayang-kayang ipa-dismiss ang kaso.
Yan ang silbi ng practice na sinusuyo sila ng mga kandidato, nagiging malakas sa gobyerno.
Anyway, sa tingin ko mahina naman talaga ang kaso ng complainants, ayos lang ma-dismiss.
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Ang INC, peyborit atakehin ang relihiyon ng Katoliko.
Pero napapansin ko sa mga Katoliko, mababait. Hindi yung lagi na lang naghahamon ng debate.
Pag may kausap kang INC, ganito ang takbo ng usapin:
- Ang Ama, Diyos, di ba?
- Oo.
- E si Kristo, ano siya?
- Diyos din.
- Ilan na ngayon ang Diyos? E di dalawa na?
Laging ganon ang script niyan... :D
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Well at least, open-minded ka naman sir. Hindi yung panatiko sa relihiyon.
Tungkol sa unfamiliarity ng Katoliko sa sariling doktrina, bigyan kita ng example.
Noong nagsisimba pa ako regularly, may kinakanta sa simbahan, sabi ng lyrics, "Kordero ng Diyos na nag-aalis ng mga kasalanan ng sanlibutan."
Tanong ko sa mga barkadang Katoliko, ano pagkaalam mo sa salitang "kordero ng Diyos" na lyrics ng himno?
Hindi alam.
O sige, padaliin pa natin. Ano yung "kordero"?
Hindi rin alam.
Tuwing misa kinakanata yon, pero "kordero" lang hindi alam kung ano.
Ano ang kordero?
Ni google ko ay = tupa?
Namulat kasi ang mga rc members na katoliko na. Napaka rare na may makita akong nagpa comvert to catholic
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Meron bang Televangelists ang Roman Catholic Church?
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Puwede ba si Mike Velarde?
Sabi ni Brother Mike Katoliko daw siya. Pero walang ikapu sa Katoliko; sa El Shaddai meron... ;)
Ano ang kordero?
Ni google ko ay = tupa?
Tama.
"Kordero ng Diyos na nag-aalis ng mga kasalanan ng sanlibutan." --- ang next question ko dapat, paanong nakakaalis ng kasalanan ang kordero?
Kaya lang, kordero pa lang, hindi na alam, e. :D
That's a quote from John 1:29. Sabi ni Juan Bautista sa mga followers niya tungkol kay Hesus --- “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!"
The Lamb of God is Jesus Christ.
Bakit Lamb of God?
Kasi may sacrificial lamb for the forgivenness of sins sa Old Testament. The lamb must be male, without blemish (meaning white, without colored spots), and without defect (meaning bawal ang lamb na pilay, bulag, etc.), to be sacrificed during the feast of the Passover.
Symbolic yon kay Jesus Christ --- male, without blemish or defect (symbolic of Jesus who was without sin), sacrificed during Passover (Jesus also died during the Passover).
During the time of Moses, the lamb was sacrificed for the forgiveness of sins. In the New Testament, Christ became the true sacrifical lamb, who died on the cross for the forgiveness of sins.
18 For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your ancestors, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect. (1 Peter 1:18-19)
Kaya nga Siya ang Kordero ng Diyos na nag-aalis ng kasalanan ng sanlibutan.
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How abouy pope as vicar of christ?
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Alam mo na sagot diyan sir. Lahat halos ng Protestante alam yan.
Vicar of Christ is the representative of Christ on earth; Peter was the first Vicar, Peter became the first Pope; all Popes are the successors of Peter; all Popes are Vicars of Christ.
Sasabihin ng Protestante, iba ang Petra na large rock sa Petros na small stone. Si Pedro ay Petros hindi Petra.
Posibleng ito ang hindi mo pa narinig---
Sabi ng Catholic apologist, hindi puwedeng Petra si Peter, kasi feminine ang Petra. Petros (masculine) si Peter, pareho lang ang meaning ng Petros at Petra noong sinulat yon, parehong large rock. Kung small stone, dapat "Lithos." Si Peter ay Cephas which means rock.
Mahabang usapin yan... :D
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Alam mo na sagot diyan sir. Lahat halos ng Protestante alam yan.
Vicar of Christ is the representative of Christ on earth; Peter was the first Vicar, Peter became the first Pope; all Popes are the successors of Peter; all Popes are Vicars of Christ.
Sasabihin ng Protestante, iba ang Petra na large rock sa Petros na small stone. Si Pedro ay Petra, hindi Petros.
Posibleng ito ang hindi mo pa narinig---
Sabi ng Catholic apologist, hindi puwedeng Petra si Peter, kasi feminine ang Petra. Petros (masculine) si Peter, pareho lang ang meaning ng Petro at Petra noong sinulat yon, parehong large rock. Kung small stone, dapat "lithos." Si Peter ay Cephas which means rock.
Mahabang usapin yan... :D
inde nga si Peter
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
18At sinasabi ko naman sa iyo, na ikaw ay Pedro, at sa ibabaw ng batong ito ay itatayo ko ang aking iglesia; at ang mga pintuan ng Hades ay hindi magsisipanaig laban sa kaniya.
it is not a matter of Petros or Petra but the very words that Jesus said.
inde tuwirang sinabe na si Pedro yung "on this rock"..
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Wors case scenario, id rather be in a churh na kung saan ang lider ay ymay eroplano pero with good, sound biblical doctrime kesa sa church na meek, soft apoken ang lider pero ang doktrina ay pabagobago, umbiblical doctrine.
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Do you really have to choose? ;D
Me plane leader nyo?
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Me plane leader nyo?
Basa ulit...
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Itatanong ko pa ba Kung me Nabasa ako?
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Oo nga, why choose? gawa na lang sarili mong simbahan para magka-eroplano ka rin tapos masusunod pa gusto mong doktrina.
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Itatanong ko pa ba Kung me Nabasa ako?
Kung naintindihan mo un post ko di ka na magtatanong kung may plane o wala. :-)
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I understand your post. What I'm asking is, does your leader have a plane?
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I understand your post. What I'm asking is, does your leader have a plane?
No. Di na Niya kailangan ng eroplano.
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No. Di na Niya kailangan ng eroplano.
Yung leader nyo na tao, Merong plane?
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Yung leader nyo na tao, Merong plane?
Wala nga. And He doesnt need a plane nga.
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Wala nga. And He doesnt need a plane nga.
Yung religious organization nyo, may plane?
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Yung religious organization nyo, may plane?
I dont belong to any religious organization.
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How abouy pope as vicar of christ?
silly doctrine.....made by assuming men thinking they own exclusive rights to Jesus....