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Community => Big Talk => Chit-Chat => Religion => Topic started by: dpogs on Jan 22, 2016 at 10:41 AM
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...ngayon po kung gusto nyong magpatuloy na pag-usapan ang aming relihiyon, mabuti man o masama ay hindi po namin kayo pinipigilan doon, ang isang pakiusap lang namin ay sana po gumawa na lang kayo ng bagong "thread" at doon nyo po pag-usapan kung ano man ang gusto nyong pag-usapan...
As requested
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Cross posting from the other thread...
nakakalungkot lang na may mga ibang tao na kung magsalita at mag paratang ay ganun na lang na para bang alam na alam nila lahat ng mga pangyayari gayung hindi naman sila kaanib at hindi din naman nila alam kung ano ang doktrina na sinusunod namin.
Why not be transparent about it? INC's are not the only ones occupying the Philippines, you should know that by now.
kami po ay gusto naman naming malaman ang katotohanan kaya naghihintay kami kung ano kahihinatnan ng mga kaso.
Do you honestly think that something fruitful and fair will stem from this indictment? Just the serving of the warrant alone reeeeekss of harassment, with a wanton disregard for procedures, who can argue with that?
The same way we want our Gov't leaders to be accountable and transparent, shouldn't we be looking at Religious Leaders, not pinpointing INC Leaders, with the same lens?
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My post from the other thread...
That is exactly the matter that boils my blood. The manner in which the police carried their supposed to be legal and valid operation. Is this countenanced by the PNP? Jackryan, you are correct in pointing out the lack of delicadeza on the part of these arresting officers who later admitted being members of the INC. We need to listen to any good and justifying reason from the PNP if they will admit that this is an SOP.
The INC of course has to use its power and influence but obviously it is ruining their reputation further in the community. I would like to believe that Zabala should just stop talking because nobody in his right mind would believe him that the INC has no hand in the progressing events.
Likewise, pardon me but I do not have the full peace of mind with the chosen lawyer of Menorca. Where are the known lawyers of our society? Takot din ba sila?
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perhaps a mod can cut and move posts in the other thread to here.....
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I was watching TV Patrol last night and saw the part wher they interviewed Menorca's wife. I remember cussing at the TV as the chief of police of Manila had the balls to accuse Menorca of resisting arrest. Who in their right mind would consent to being arrested like that, to think ni badge or arrest warrant e walang maipakita yung dalawang ungas?
Sinasabi ko sa asawa ko, kung ako yung inaresto ng ganun e ang dali pilayan nung matabang baboy na pulis then combohan mo ng tuhod sa mukha, then sa presinto na tayo magkapaliwanagan, assuming na totoong pulis nga yung mga yun at hindi mga aso ng inc.
I read some comments na nagtataka bakit parang walang nakikialam sa inc. Lapit na eleksyon e, nuff said.
Parang lahat na lang ginagawa nila para magalit ang mga non inc members sa kanila. Sikat inc ngayon, mostly for the wrong reasons.
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Thanks Dpogs for creating this thread which is long overdue.
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But the previous thread be either renamed " Mag 102 Yrs na INC" or be close coz their centennial celebration is way long over.
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WHEN I posted copies of the INK exposure volume titled THE POWER & THE GLORY: THE CULT OF MANALO last October 2015, two or three INK members of this site could have made a complaint to the administrator and my post was locked without warning me of the move. When I reposted it because I was not given any admonition of a qualifiable violation, my account was suspended for a month. I sold four copies of that rare, viciously suppressed volume, and I was compulsed to make a photocopy duplicate because I cannot locate anymore the Baguio publisher for added copies. PDVD could've been browbeatened by these INK foot soldiers lurking on this site to consider my item as "pirated" - as it is admittedly xeroxed copies. I'd admit to that but only because when I try to locate the book's author and publisher in Baguio the neighbors stated that indeed the fellow lives there but he cannot be found in his house for years. INK thugs or adherents to be found within the local judiciary and police could've have hounded the man to hide and fear for his life. Without the fellow I cannot obtain any more addditional copies.
What is it about a book that the insidious INK machinery needs to be mobilized to suppressed it and chased away its hapless author? And why should any man who wants to leave the church be hounded, harassed, threatened, kidnapped, libeled, and get brutally silenced like what befell Marcos Mataro?
Best of luck to Master DPOGS for jumpstarting a very timely thread, I'm sure a number of you here has despaired in seeing how a religious machine has grown to be too untouchable and sinister, and it is imperative that its gut out to be examined.....
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^kaya nga forced into exile si Soriano, bag bumalik sya dito, baka ma ninoy aquino sya.....
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Yes, why don't they just allow the whole truth to come out and let justice takes its course.
PS. Any chance that the subject line for this post can be updated by the original author to just reflect INC. At the rate things are going, surely we can all agree all this dirt coming out is contrary to "100 years of God's blessings". Or, maybe, we should keep it because it is now divine intervention that allowed this to come out. I am sure our INC brothers in the forum are also for the real and honest truth, and nothing else...
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I am just wondering about the court process of serving a warrant. According to the Chief of Police, an unknown person who is supposed to be a lawyer of the complainant came to the Police station and seek assistance in serving the warrant issued by a court in Lanao. So the said Police Chief instructed his policemen to serve the same incognito, and thats it. ;D This Chief of Police should be sacked! >:(
I think it is simple delicadeza that the Police Superindent of this tracker team (wearing shorts, refusing to show their badge nor proper warrant papers should be sacked / suspended) should have inhibited himself being an INC member himself...
Just really smack of strengthening public opinion that the INC leadership today is vent on hiding things.
I guess, we have to sit tight for another public mass action that would paralyze the flow of traffic very soon in Metro Manila... :(
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Quote from: rochie on Today at 10:29 AM
and thread na to ay ginawa para po sa mga myembro ng INC nung 100 anniversary para magkabatian kahit dito sa forum lang,nagkataon lang na nung nagkaroon ng malaking issue nung nakaraang taon ay dito pa din nag popost ang mga hindi kasapi para magtanong kung anong nangyayayari at malugod namang sinasagot ng ibang mga myembro base sa kanilang kaalaman,nakakalungkot lang na may mga ibang tao na kung magsalita at mag paratang ay ganun na lang na para bang alam na alam nila lahat ng mga pangyayari gayung hindi naman sila kaanib at hindi din naman nila alam kung ano ang doktrina na sinusunod namin.
ngayon po kung gusto nyong magpatuloy na pag-usapan ang aming relihiyon, mabuti man o masama ay hindi po namin kayo pinipigilan doon, ang isang pakiusap lang namin ay sana po gumawa na lang kayo ng bagong "thread" at doon nyo po pag-usapan kung ano man ang gusto nyong pag-usapan. kami po ay gusto naman naming malaman ang katotohanan kaya naghihintay kami kung ano kahihinatnan ng mga kaso. konting respeto na lang po sa gumawa ng "thread" na ang layunin nya ay dito magkausap usap,magbatian at magbahagi ng mga kaganapan sa loob ng INC. siguro naman po ayaw nyong mangyari sa inyo na sa loob mismo ng bahay nyo ay kung ano anong masasamang salita at paratang ang ibinabato sa inyo ng mga "bisita" nyo.
salamat po sa mga nakakaunawa.
So close this thread and move to the new one?
However, IMHO to keep this as a private folder for INC members only in principle, doesn't seem appropriate too given that the forum sections are for general public postings for all members of pinoydvd regardless of religious beliefs.
Anyway, enjoy the weekend everyone!
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But the previous thread be either renamed " Mag 102 Yrs na INC" or be close coz their centennial celebration is way long over.
Precisely a valid and objective observation, if you ask me...
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WHEN I posted copies of the INK exposure volume titled THE POWER & THE GLORY: THE CULT OF MANALO last October 2015, two or three INK members of this site could have made a complaint to the administrator and my post was locked without warning me of the move. When I reposted it because I was not given any admonition of a qualifiable violation, my account was suspended for a month. I sold four copies of that rare, viciously suppressed volume, and I was compulsed to make a photocopy duplicate because I cannot locate anymore the Baguio publisher for added copies. PDVD could've been browbeatened by these INK foot soldiers lurking on this site to consider my item as "pirated" - as it is admittedly xeroxed copies. I'd admit to that but only because when I try to locate the book's author and publisher in Baguio the neighbors stated that indeed the fellow lives there but he cannot be found in his house for years. INK thugs or adherents to be found within the local judiciary and police could've have hounded the man to hide and fear for his life. Without the fellow I cannot obtain any more addditional copies.
What is it about a book that the insidious INK machinery needs to be mobilized to suppressed it and chased away its hapless author? And why should any man who wants to leave the church be hounded, harassed, threatened, kidnapped, libeled, and get brutally silenced like what befell Marcos Mataro?
Best of luck to Master DPOGS for jumpstarting a very timely thread, I'm sure a number of you here has despaired in seeing how a religious machine has grown to be too untouchable and sinister, and it is imperative that its gut out to be examined.....
I have friends and even distant relatives who became INC members, I cannot believe they will tolerate the kind of bullying being shown right now of their elders... but hope that one day, they will be awakened to the real and honest truth.
To your point and experience above, I cannot believe myself that even in this forum, it seemed that you have experiened a similar concentrated efforts by some of its members as you detailed above...
I am asking myself why I am even bothering to post here... I think it's mixed. On one hand, I need to stand up as a Filipino citizen to demand a chance on how they are exerting undue pressure on public institutions to achieve their goals whether lawful or not, in general. But, then on the flipside, I just think the events of the last 48 hours as shown on news about that arrest and the recent mass demonstrations that bogged down the Metro still lingers in my mind. Hope they are not foolish enough to do it again.
Anywa, back to regular programming. I am headed back to home theater stuff and gadgets.
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^i share your sentiments.......
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^kaya nga forced into exile si Soriano, bag bumalik sya dito, baka ma ninoy aquino sya.....
The same thing happen to Mr.Soriano they file libel case,rape case etc. to silence him.
If only Mr.Manalo is brave enough to face Mr.Soriano on a one on one debate on national television.Probably walang Menorca case at walang nagrally sa Edsa.
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Bilib ako talaga kay Atty Trixie Angeles for representing Menorca. She's putting her life at stake here. At wala na talagang ibang gustong humawak ng ganitong kaso especially male lawyers. Syempre theyre dealing with the police in their other cases, ayaw nila ma markahan.
Kung walang media doon, baka RIP Menorca na.
Btw who is this lawyer? She seems to need styling. Is she a member of a firm, or working alone?
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http://www.controversyextraordinary.com/2016/01/inc-threat-to-democracy.html
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Pasubaybay .....
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Buti pumalag si Pnoy. And sana this May election, kung sino man i-annoint ng INC ay wag iboto. Para maipakita na hindi na tama mga ginagawa ng liderato.
Style nga lang dyan, iaanoint din yung leading sa survey at palalabasin na sila nagpapanalo.
Sana tigilan na ang mga courtesy call sa religious leaders. Kaya nga may separation of church and state.
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,181516.msg2296590.html#msg2296590
Our politicians are among those scammed. How so? They think the INC is a kingmaker.
Estimated membership of the INC: 2 million. That's about 2% of the population. How can 2% of the population block vote a presidential candidate into office? Impossible.
But how does the INC convince people that they are indeed a kingmaker?
Very easy. Wait until a few days before the date of the elections before announcing your choice. Look at the surveys, and endorse the candidate leading the surveys. The survey leader wins the elections, and people think you block voted him into office.
In the last surveys before the 2010 presidential elections, Pulse Asia result (April 2010) was P-Noy for president and Roxas for VP. SWS result (May 2010) was P-Noy for president and a tie for Roxas & Binay for VP.
Taking the surveys into consideration, which is the best choice? P-Noy and Mar Roxas, of course.
May 5, 2010 (only 5 days before elections), INC announces its official endorsements:
Iglesia Ni Cristo endorses Noynoy Aquino, Mar Roxas
Posted by akosistella on May 5, 2010
https://pulitika2010.wordpress.com/2010/05/05/iglesia-ni-cristo-endorses-noynoy-aquino-mar-roxas/ (https://pulitika2010.wordpress.com/2010/05/05/iglesia-ni-cristo-endorses-noynoy-aquino-mar-roxas/)
The survey results were obviously the basis for their choice.
Result?
Aquino and Binay. Talo si Mar Roxas, na ang INC endorsement ay kinopya lang sa survey.
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Now let's look at their senatorial endorsements for 2010. Out of the top 12 senatoriables, the INC chose 11.
I said on May 5, 2010:
If Biazon wins a senatorial seat, the INC endorsement might have something to do with it.
Actual results? Biazon loses, of course:
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Bakit masyadong sigurista?
Kasi sinuportahan nila si Danding Conjuangco for president in 1992. Resulta, hindi lang talo, kulelat pa. Lesson learned.
But the general public, did they notice that the INC cannot make a king? No.
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http://www.splendorofthechurch.com.ph/2016/01/24/ang-iglesia-ni-cristo-inc-at-ang-mafia-by-ramon-tulfo/
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nakakalungkot lang na may mga ibang tao na kung magsalita at mag paratang ay ganun na lang na para bang alam na alam nila lahat ng mga pangyayari gayung hindi naman sila kaanib at hindi din naman nila alam kung ano ang doktrina na sinusunod namin.
no need to become a member, Kung ano yung puno siyang bunga. Ang bunga nakikita.
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kami po ay gusto naman naming malaman ang katotohanan kaya naghihintay kami kung ano kahihinatnan ng mga kaso.
Sapat na batayan yung doctrina niyo upang malaman kung ano ang katotohanan sa religion niyo.
nakakalungkot lang na may mga ibang tao na kung magsalita at mag paratang ay ganun na lang na para bang alam na alam nila lahat ng mga pangyayari gayung hindi naman sila kaanib at hindi din naman nila alam kung ano ang doktrina na sinusunod namin.
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Sapat na batayan yung doctrina niyo upang malaman kung ano ang katotohanan sa religion niyo.
ano ang silbi ng doktrina kung puro pang-bubully ang ginagawa?
sino ang tunay? sapat na bang manalo ka sa pagbasa ng bible?
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ano ang silbi ng doktrina kung puro pang-bubully ang ginagawa?
sino ang tunay? sapat na bang manalo ka sa pagbasa ng bible?
yan din yung isa main issue
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pano kung sa pag dating na muli ni kristo ay itakwil nya ang bible?
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pano kung sa pag dating na muli ni kristo ay itakwil nya ang bible?
It would not be possible lalo na ang old testament because Jesus even quoted the Septuagint version of the OT as far as I know.
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Jesus knows his flock and his flock knows him.....no amount of bible reading can alter this...
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Jesus knows his flock and his flock knows him.....no amount of bible reading can alter this...
Correct! But without the bible, how will you know His will so that you can become a flock?
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It would not be possible lalo na ang old testament because Jesus even quoted the Septuagint version of the OT as far as I know.
Sir,
the bible as we know it was compiled back in 600AD +- at the behest of a king, when he called for a meeting of religious leaders at the time, to discuss issues relating to Jesus, Christianity etc.,
if I remember my studies correctly, the council was created so that there would be a single/common/united narrative where Christianity was concerned,
and this is the reason why so many books/gospels were excluded, such as the gospel of Mary, Judas,
gnostics etc. etc.
our bible was compiled by 300 ++ people and a lot of the books were written long after Jesus' death
so I would agree with Sir Tony- should Jesus ever come back, He probably won't recognize the bible that we are using
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Correct! But without the bible, how will you know His will so that you can become a flock?
by faith....everything naman is by faith....Jesus can tell as He can look into your heart,
kung ang pakikipagdebate mo ay para lang magpa-impress, makalikap ng maraming member
at makuhanan mo ng marming ikapu.....Kita ng Diyos yan.....walang nalilihim sa kanya....
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Sir,
the bible as we know it was compiled back in 600AD +- at the behest of a king, when he called for a meeting of religious leaders at the time, to discuss issues relating to Jesus, Christianity etc.,
if I remember my studies correctly, the council was created so that there would be a single/common/united narrative where Christianity was concerned,
and this is the reason why so many books/gospels were excluded, such as the gospel of Mary, Judas,
gnostics etc. etc.
our bible was compiled by 300 ++ people and a lot of the books were written long after Jesus' death
so I would agree with Sir Tony- should Jesus ever come back, He probably won't recognize the bible that we are using
Hindi ata kasama ang old testament?
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kung ang pakikipagdebate mo ay para lang magpa-impress, makalikap ng maraming member
at makuhanan mo ng marming ikapu.....Kita ng Diyos yan.....walang nalilihim sa kanya....
Yun lang. Hehe!
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Hindi ata kasama ang old testament?
Sir,
the Old Testament was compiled way before that, and features books written over a thousand year period, if I'm not mistaken
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Sa dami ng galamay para na silang HYDRA... hail hydra...
Sa tingin ko may problema dito yung bago nilang lider na uto uto...
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Sir,
the Old Testament was compiled way before that, and features books written over a thousand year period, if I'm not mistaken
Yes sir! Which Jesus even quoted.
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Kung ang isang organized religion o church ay mayroong central office, ganito ang kadalasang mangyayari. :-(
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by faith....everything naman is by faith....Jesus can tell as He can look into your heart,
kung ang pakikipagdebate mo ay para lang magpa-impress, makalikap ng maraming member
at makuhanan mo ng marming ikapu.....Kita ng Diyos yan.....walang nalilihim sa kanya....
Lahat ng tao my kanya kanyang faith..but sino at ano ang magsasabi na ang faith o pananampalataya mo patungkol sa Dios ay tama?
Kaya pinasulat ng Dios ang Bibliya to know exactly his will for us human.
Ang mahirap sa tao nakasulat na ayaw pang sumunod at ang dahilan ay meron syang sariling faith.
At meron din mga tao at lider ng mga relihiyon na ginagamit ang bibliya para magnegosyo kinakalakal nila ang salita ng Dios na nakasulat sa Bibliya at binabaluktot pa ito sa madalas na sitwasyon.
Tandaan po natin na may kalaban ang Dios at yan ay ang Demonyo
Gagawin nya lahat ng kasamaan para mailigaw ang tao. Gusto ng demonyo huwag natin maintindihan ang bibliya para hindi natin malaman ang katotohan patungkol sa Dios upang tayo ay magkagulo at magkawatak watak.
Pero hindi papayagan ng Dios mangyari ang balak ng Demonyo.Available na lahat ng paraan para malaman natin ang nilalaman ng bibliya in our modern time.
"Sapagka't ang anomang mga bagay na isinulat nang una ay nangasulat dahil sa ikatututo natin, upang sa pamamagitan ng pagtitiis at pagaliw ng mga kasulatan ay mangagkaroon tayo ng pagasa."
Roma 15:4 (Ang Dating Biblia)
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^pag nagbalik ba si Jesus, tatanungin ka ba tungkol sa bible?
aalamin ba nya ang laman ng utak mo kung ilang bersikulo at capitulo ang kaya mong irecite?
sa palagay ko, hindi ang laman ng utak mo at ng bulsa mo ang mahalaga kay Jesus,
bagkus ang laman ng puso mo, at hindi mo yan maikukubli sa kanya...
mabobola mo ang demonyo pero hindi ang Dyos....
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^pag nagbalik ba si Jesus, tatanungin ka ba tungkol sa bible?
aalamin ba nya ang laman ng utak mo kung ilang bersikulo at capitulo ang kaya mong irecite?
sa palagay ko, hindi ang laman ng utak mo at ng bulsa mo ang mahalaga kay Jesus,
bagkus ang laman ng puso mo, at hindi mo yan maikukubli sa kanya...
mabobola mo ang demonyo pero hindi ang Dyos....
but it is necessary for son of God to read the Bible day and night. for without it the care of this world will devour him/her.
ang isang taong hindi nagbabasa ng Bibliya ay "questionable" o nakakaduda ang kanyang pananampalataya.
kung ikaw ay isang taong nagsasabing may pananampalataya kay Jesus ngunit sinasabi mong hindi mahalaga ang pagbabasa at pag-aaral ng Bibliya, may isang malaking katanungan sa iyong pananampalataya - yan ba ay tunay o isang pagpapanggap lamang.
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With all due respect sirs, pero mukhang lumilihis na po tayo sa intended subject of the thread. Salvation nanaman ang bagsak natin diyan which is already discussed in the other religion threads. ;)
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^pag nagbalik ba si Jesus, tatanungin ka ba tungkol sa bible?
aalamin ba nya ang laman ng utak mo kung ilang bersikulo at capitulo ang kaya mong irecite?
sa palagay ko, hindi ang laman ng utak mo at ng bulsa mo ang mahalaga kay Jesus,
bagkus ang laman ng puso mo, at hindi mo yan maikukubli sa kanya...
mabobola mo ang demonyo pero hindi ang Dyos....
Sino ba dito nagsasabi na yun ang tatanungin ng Diyos? Hehe!
Paano mo malalaman na ang laman ng puso mo ay sang-ayon sa gusto Niya?
Nun ikaw ba ay nanligaw sapat na ba na katwiran yun mahal mo ang nililigawan mo para sagutin ka niya? Hindi mo ba inaalam ang paborito niyang pagkain, lugar pasyalan, paboritong damit etc.?
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With all due respect sirs, pero mukhang lumilihis na po tayo sa intended subject of the thread. Salvation nanaman ang bagsak natin diyan which is already discussed in the other religion threads. ;)
Agreed. I think this kind of discussion/debate should be in the other inc or religious thread.
What makes inc so powerful anyway? Why do they hold such a huge influence over almost everything? Sila ba maituturing natin na local version ng scientology?
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With all due respect sirs, pero mukhang lumilihis na po tayo sa intended subject of the thread. Salvation nanaman ang bagsak natin diyan which is already discussed in the other religion threads. ;)
Agreed sir! My apologies. hehe! master Tony! Lipat tayo sa kabilang thread!
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Sino ba dito nagsasabi na yun ang tatanungin ng Diyos? Hehe!
Paano mo malalaman na ang laman ng puso mo ay sang-ayon sa gusto Niya?
Nun ikaw ba ay nanligaw sapat na ba na katwiran yun mahal mo ang nililigawan mo para sagutin ka niya? Hindi mo ba inaalam ang paborito niyang pagkain, lugar pasyalan, paboritong damit etc.?
not for us mere mortals to judge, but nothing can be hidden from God...
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With all due respect sirs, pero mukhang lumilihis na po tayo sa intended subject of the thread. Salvation nanaman ang bagsak natin diyan which is already discussed in the other religion threads. ;)
i beg to disagree, this has everything to do with the issue at hand...
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Agreed. I think this kind of discussion/debate should be in the other inc or religious thread.
What makes inc so powerful anyway? Why do they hold such a huge influence over almost everything? Sila ba maituturing natin na local version ng scientology?
Maraming naluklok sa posisyon (PNP, NBI, etc) dahil sa endorsement ng INC... :):):)
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Maraming naluklok sa posisyon (PNP, NBI, etc) dahil sa endorsement ng INC... :):):)
And syempre, once in position, obligated sila to do manalo's bidding, yes?
Hindi ko lang naimagine na ganun pala ka-pervasive sila sa high positions in government. Kaya pala ang lalaki ng balls nila. ;D
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And syempre, once in position, obligated sila to do manalo's bidding, yes?
Hindi ko lang naimagine na ganun pala ka-pervasive sila sa high positions in government.
Mafia. They always make offers all others can't refuse, one way or the other.
And syempre, once in position, obligated sila to do manalo's bidding, yes?
Kaya pala ang lalaki ng balls nila. ;D
This is a sad, sad, realization. Hope this thread produces something constructive like to have an inside look on how the regular INC Members view these debacles and have their chance to be a saving grace for their faith, emphasis on the INC faith as Faith = faithful or ordinary lay people / Religion = leaders.
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And syempre, once in position, obligated sila to do manalo's bidding, yes?
Hindi ko lang naimagine na ganun pala ka-pervasive sila sa high positions in government. Kaya pala ang lalaki ng balls nila. ;D
this is the scary part, what if magising na lang tayo isang umaga na hawak na nila ang gobyerno?
yung rally nila sa EDSA, maliwanag na power grab yon......buti na lang walang kumampi sa kanila doon...
public opinion was not at their side...
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this is the scary part, what if magising na lang tayo isang umaga na hawak na nila ang gobyerno?
yung rally nila sa EDSA, maliwanag na power grab yon......buti na lang walang kumampi sa kanila doon...
public opinion was not at their side...
actually, malaki yung religious influences sa government not only INC
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http://joeam.com/2015/09/03/are-boc-and-inc-a-crime-syndicate-why-is-sen-escudero-so-interested/
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actually, malaki yung religious influences sa government not only INC
pero me nabalitaan ka na ba na sang obispo ng katoliko, ipina-pahuli sa nbi ang lider ng ibang religion?
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http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/64529-inc-lobbies-key-government-positions
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tanong ko lang po nasa doktrina ba ng INC na si Jesus ay isang tao? kasi minsan naririnig ko dito sa opisina pag na uusap kaya nasaasbihan na kulto ang INC kasi yun daw ang isang paniniwala ng INC na si Jesus hay hindi Diyos si Jesus ay tao lamang?... ayaw ko din kasi makisali sa usapan pag relihiyon na ang topic hehehehe...kaya dito ko nalang itatanong...
mga bro and sis natin dito sa PDVD na INC member eto po ba ang paniniwala ng INC? salamat po...
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sa kabilang thread bro ang usaping ganito tungkol sa relihiyon. ;)
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With all due respect sirs, pero mukhang lumilihis na po tayo sa intended subject of the thread. Salvation nanaman ang bagsak natin diyan which is already discussed in the other religion threads. ;)
yes precisely this is about salvation of whom? sa mga taong niloloko ng mga lider na nag claim na sa Dios daw sila pero hindi according sa teaching ng ating Panginoong Hesus ang turo nila not biblical and most of all none sensical.
Dyan naman nagugat lahat ng kaguluhan pinaniwala nila ang miembro nila sila lang ang maliligtas! at marami pang maling doctrina na wala sa wisyo.
Its about time to submit this liders of religion to public scrutiny of their doctrine and teaching..I for one believe hindi lahat ng nagsasabi o nagclaim sa Dios sila ay totoo and this recent incident of Menorca case and others proves it.
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tanong ko lang po nasa doktrina ba ng INC na si Jesus ay isang tao? kasi minsan naririnig ko dito sa opisina pag na uusap kaya nasaasbihan na kulto ang INC kasi yun daw ang isang paniniwala ng INC na si Jesus hay hindi Diyos si Jesus ay tao lamang?... ayaw ko din kasi makisali sa usapan pag relihiyon na ang topic hehehehe...kaya dito ko nalang itatanong...
mga bro and sis natin dito sa PDVD na INC member eto po ba ang paniniwala ng INC? salamat po...
Based on the movie Felix Manalo, he said that Jesus is human, not a diety.
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tanong ko lang po nasa doktrina ba ng INC na si Jesus ay isang tao? kasi minsan naririnig ko dito sa opisina pag na uusap kaya nasaasbihan na kulto ang INC kasi yun daw ang isang paniniwala ng INC na si Jesus hay hindi Diyos si Jesus ay tao lamang?... ayaw ko din kasi makisali sa usapan pag relihiyon na ang topic hehehehe...kaya dito ko nalang itatanong...
mga bro and sis natin dito sa PDVD na INC member eto po ba ang paniniwala ng INC? salamat po...
John 20:28-29
Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" 29Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed."
Jesus or Lord is confirming Thomas belief..
I would love to hear the side of our INC. bro. and sis.
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http://www.rappler.com/newsbreak/64529-inc-lobbies-key-government-positions
Thanks for sharing this ---- and I quote,
Shifting loyalties
To be sure, the INC has built a formidable image that it can make or break the political career of those aspiring for public office. Its solid vote is a prized catch for anyone, and could possibly attract the undecided voters to go for the potential winners.
INC spokesman Edwil Zabala said bloc-voting is based on Biblical teachings. “One of the Bible teachings is unity. Unity in serving the Lord God. Unity in faith. Unity in rendering judgment. That's in the Bible. So when members of the Iglesia ni Cristo, for example, here in the Philippines, are asked to vote, we are being asked to render a judgment. So we have to put God, obedience to God first, before obedience to any man-made law. If God requires unity, if God requires that the body of Christ, the Church of Christ be one, we will uphold it no matter how others may react to it.”
Essentially, it seems to be a reverse of the adage, “The voice of the people is the voice of God.”
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Thanks for sharing this ---- and I quote,
Shifting loyalties
To be sure, the INC has built a formidable image that it can make or break the political career of those aspiring for public office. Its solid vote is a prized catch for anyone, and could possibly attract the undecided voters to go for the potential winners.
INC spokesman Edwil Zabala said bloc-voting is based on Biblical teachings. “One of the Bible teachings is unity. Unity in serving the Lord God. Unity in faith. Unity in rendering judgment. That's in the Bible. So when members of the Iglesia ni Cristo, for example, here in the Philippines, are asked to vote, we are being asked to render a judgment. So we have to put God, obedience to God first, before obedience to any man-made law. If God requires unity, if God requires that the body of Christ, the Church of Christ be one, we will uphold it no matter how others may react to it.”
Essentially, it seems to be a reverse of the adage, “The voice of the people is the voice of God.”
Classic example of using Bible for their own gain.
First of all Mr.Zabala has to prove that the "Church of Christ" ( Iglesia ni Cristo) name is in the Bible before claiming their teaching is base on the Bible.
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sa kabilang thread bro ang usaping ganito tungkol sa relihiyon. ;)
Pumayag ka na sir sa ganong topic.
Tutal, ang title ng thread, INC - Doctrines, Issues, Politics, etc. Unang-una nga sa listahan ang topic na "doctrines."
tanong ko lang po nasa doktrina ba ng INC na si Jesus ay isang tao? kasi minsan naririnig ko dito sa opisina pag na uusap kaya nasaasbihan na kulto ang INC kasi yun daw ang isang paniniwala ng INC na si Jesus hay hindi Diyos si Jesus ay tao lamang?... ayaw ko din kasi makisali sa usapan pag relihiyon na ang topic hehehehe...kaya dito ko nalang itatanong...
mga bro and sis natin dito sa PDVD na INC member eto po ba ang paniniwala ng INC? salamat po...
Yes, ganon na nga ang paniniwala ng INC.
Para sa kanila, si Hesus ay taong-tao lang. Yan ang unique sa doktrina nila.
Ang ibang relihiyon na hindi tinuturing ang sarili na Kristiyano (eg. - Islam), ang paniniwala ay si Hesus ay tao lang. Pero sa mga relihiyon na tinuturing ang sarili na Kristiyano, INC lang ang alam ko na ang paniniwala ay si Kristo ay tao lang.
Example kung paano nila sinusuportahan ang kanilang paniniwala:
Datapuwa't ngayo'y pinagsisikapan ninyo akong patayin, na taong sa inyo'y nagsaysay ng katotohanan... (Jn. 8:40)
Ano ang sabi ng panginoong Hesus tungkol sa kanyang sarili? Siya raw ay taong nagsaysay ng katotohanan. Hindi Diyos na nagsaysay ng katotohanan, kundi taong nagsaysay ng katotohanan. Samakatuwid, ang panginoong Hesus mismo ang nagsabi na siya ay tao at hindi Diyos.
Ano naman ang sabi ng Ama?
Ako ang una, at ako ang huli; at liban sa akin ay walang Dios. ... May Dios baga liban sa akin? oo, walang malaking Bato; ako'y walang nakikilalang iba. (is. 44: 6; 8 )
Sabi ng Ama, siya lang ang Diyos, wala nang iba, at wala siyang nakikilalang iba. Kung ganon, hindi maaaring Diyos si Hesus.
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Pumayag ka na sir sa ganong topic.
Tutal, ang title ng thread, INC - Doctrines, Issues, Politics, etc. Unang-una nga sa listahan ang topic na "doctrines."
Yes, ganon na nga ang paniniwala ng INC.
Para sa kanila, si Hesus ay taong-tao lang. Yan ang unique sa doktrina nila.
Ang ibang relihiyon na hindi tinuturing ang sarili na Kristiyano (eg. - Islam), ang paniniwala ay si Hesus ay tao lang. Pero sa mga relihiyon na tinuturing ang sarili na Kristiyano, INC lang ang alam ko na ang paniniwala ay si Kristo ay tao lang.
Example kung paano nila sinusuportahan ang kanilang paniniwala:
Datapuwa't ngayo'y pinagsisikapan ninyo akong patayin, na taong sa inyo'y nagsaysay ng katotohanan... (Jn. 8:40)
Ano ang sabi ng panginoong Hesus tungkol sa kanyang sarili? Siya raw ay taong nagsaysay ng katotohanan. Hindi Diyos na nagsaysay ng katotohanan, kundi taong nagsaysay ng katotohanan. Samakatuwid, ang panginoong Hesus mismo ang nagsabi na siya ay tao at hindi Diyos.
Ano naman ang sabi ng Ama?
Ako ang una, at ako ang huli; at liban sa akin ay walang Dios. ... May Dios baga liban sa akin? oo, walang malaking Bato; ako'y walang nakikilalang iba. (is. 44: 6; 8 )
Sabi ng Ama, siya lang ang Diyos, wala nang iba, at wala siyang nakikilalang iba. Kung ganon, hindi maaaring Diyos si Hesus.
out of context nila kinukuha and verse upang patunayan na si Kristo ay tao lang at hindi dyos. Hindi din naman sinabi ni kristo sa verse na hindi sya dyos.
Kung talagang gusto mong ugatin ang kalagayan ni kristo bilang Dios o Tao sa simula ka dapat humanap ng ibidensya.
`Juan 1:14
Nang pasimula siya ang Verbo, at ang Verbo ay sumasa Dios, at ang Verbo ay Dios. 2Ito rin nang pasimula'y sumasa Dios. 3Ang lahat ng mga bagay ay ginawa sa pamamagitan niya; at alin man sa lahat ng ginawa ay hindi ginawa kung wala siya. 4Nasa kaniya ang buhay; at ang buhay ay siyang ilaw ng mga tao. 5At ang ilaw ay lumiliwanag sa kadiliman; at ito'y hindi napagunawa ng kadiliman.
14 At nagkatawang-tao ang Verbo, at tumahan sa gitna natin (at nakita namin ang kaniyang kaluwalhatian, kaluwalhatian gaya ng sa bugtong ng Ama), na puspos ng biyaya at katotohanan. 15Pinatotohanan siya ni Juan, at sumigaw, na nagsasabi, Ito yaong aking sinasabi, Ang pumaparitong nasa hulihan ko ay magiging una sa akin: sapagka't siya'y una sa akin.
At doon sa sinasabi nyan walng ibang Dyos liban sa Ama.. totoo naman talagang isa lang ang Dios Ama..nasa old testment yang verese na yan so hindi pa bumaba si kristo sa lupa.Sa new testsment pinkikillala syang Dios Anak.. so walng complict doon may isang Dios na Ama at meron Dios na anak.
Sa Juan 10:30 patuloy..Sa verses mababasa na ang mga Judio na gustong bumato sa ating Panginoong Hesus ay katulad ng paniniwala ng INC na sya ay tao alang.
30Ako at ang Ama ay iisa.
31Nagsidampot uli ng mga bato ang mga Judio upang siya'y batuhin. 32Sinagot sila ni Jesus, Maraming mabubuting gawa na mula sa Ama ang ipinakita ko sa inyo; alin sa mga gawang yaon ang ibinabato ninyo sa akin? 33Sinagot siya ng mga Judio, Hindi dahil sa mabuting gawa ay binabato ka namin, kundi sa pamumusong; at sapagka't ikaw, bagaman ikaw ay tao, ay nagpapakunwari kang Dios. 34Sinagot sila ni Jesus, Hindi baga nasusulat sa inyong kautusan, Aking sinabi, Kayo'y mga dios? 35Kung tinawag niyang mga dios, yaong mga dinatnan ng salita ng Dios (at hindi mangyayaring sirain ang kasulatan), 36Sinasabi baga ninyo tungkol sa kaniya, na pinabanal ng Ama at sinugo sa sanglibutan, Ikaw ay namumusong; sapagka't sinasabi ko, Ako ang anak ng Dios? 37Kung hindi ko ginagawa ang mga gawa ng aking Ama, ay huwag ninyo akong sampalatayanan. 38Datapuwa't kung ginagawa ko, ang mga yaon kahit hindi kayo magsisampalataya sa akin, ay magsisampalataya kayo sa mga gawa; upang maalaman ninyo at mapagunawa na ang Ama ay nasa akin, at ako'y nasa Ama. 39Muling pinagsikapan nilang siya'y hulihin: at siya'y tumakas sa kanilang mga kamay.
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I've heard it all before. Matagal ko nang narinig ang mga sagot ng INC diyan.
John 1, may sagot sila diyan:
http://www.studyiglesianicristo.com/Verses/examine-trinity-john1v1j.html (http://www.studyiglesianicristo.com/Verses/examine-trinity-john1v1j.html)
John 10, may sagot din sila:
http://www.studyiglesianicristo.com/Questions/interesting-questions-55.html (http://www.studyiglesianicristo.com/Questions/interesting-questions-55.html)
Kung talagang gusto mong ugatin ang kalagayan ni kristo bilang Dios o Tao sa simula ka dapat humanap ng ibidensya.
Just to make sure we're on the same page, let me clarify: I believe Christ is God and the INC doctrine is false.
If you've read my old posts, I discussed how Christ was called "the only begotten God" (monogenes Theos) in the bible:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,141525.msg2243453.html#msg2243453 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,141525.msg2243453.html#msg2243453)
Not just the only begotten son, but the only begotten God.
Hindi pa ako nakarinig ng paliwanag ng INC sa issue na yan.
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Thanks for sharing this ---- and I quote,
Shifting loyalties
To be sure, the INC has built a formidable image that it can make or break the political career of those aspiring for public office. Its solid vote is a prized catch for anyone, and could possibly attract the undecided voters to go for the potential winners.
INC spokesman Edwil Zabala said bloc-voting is based on Biblical teachings. “One of the Bible teachings is unity. Unity in serving the Lord God. Unity in faith. Unity in rendering judgment. That's in the Bible. So when members of the Iglesia ni Cristo, for example, here in the Philippines, are asked to vote, we are being asked to render a judgment. So we have to put God, obedience to God first, before obedience to any man-made law. If God requires unity, if God requires that the body of Christ, the Church of Christ be one, we will uphold it no matter how others may react to it.”
Essentially, it seems to be a reverse of the adage, “The voice of the people is the voice of God.”
This "unity" in INC doctrine is based on the following verse, among others:
10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. (1 Cor. 1:10)
If God's people should be united in the same mind and in the same judgment, then they should also be united in voting during elections. That is why the INC votes as a block during elections --- to obey the commandment on unity.
The big problem is that the verse is talking about unity in spiritual matters, not worldly matters such as elections. Dinampot yung sitas ukol sa sprituwal at nilapat sa materyal ... :D
Here's a more detailed INC discussion:
http://www.studyiglesianicristo.com/Questions/interesting-questions-a122.html
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I've heard it all before. Matagal ko nang narinig ang mga sagot ng INC diyan.
John 1, may sagot sila diyan:
http://www.studyiglesianicristo.com/Verses/examine-trinity-john1v1j.html (http://www.studyiglesianicristo.com/Verses/examine-trinity-john1v1j.html)
John 10, may sagot din sila:
http://www.studyiglesianicristo.com/Questions/interesting-questions-55.html (http://www.studyiglesianicristo.com/Questions/interesting-questions-55.html)
Just to make sure we're on the same page, let me clarify: I believe Christ is God and the INC doctrine is false.
If you've read my old posts, I discussed how Christ was called "the only begotten God" (monogenes Theos) in the bible:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,141525.msg2243453.html#msg2243453 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,141525.msg2243453.html#msg2243453)
Not just the only begotten son, but the only begotten God.
Hindi pa ako nakarinig ng paliwanag ng INC sa issue na yan.
Hi Barrister,
Glad to hear that we both believed that Jesus is God the the Only begotten Son of God.
They just trying to mix things up and to complicate the verses in the bible.
Hindi naman mahirap maintindihan na may Dios Ama at Dios Anak infact maraming Dios na tinutukoy sa biblia.When Jesus is pertaining to one God he is speaking of God the father and Jesus was presently here on earth.Yan ang ayaw nila tanggapin para bang ikinakahon nila ang Dios na hindi pwede dumami.
Sa nakaka unawa at gustong umunawa walang complict na May Isang Dios AMA at may Dios na Anak.
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The big problem is that the verse is talking about unity in spiritual matters, not worldly matters such as elections. Dinampot yung sitas ukol sa sprituwal at nilapat sa materyal ... :D
You hit the nail on the head there Barrister. ;D
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1 Cor 1, 10-17
A Church Divided Over Leaders
10 I appeal to you, brothers and sisters,[a] in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought. 11 My brothers and sisters, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. 12 What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas”; still another, “I follow Christ.”
13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so no one can say that you were baptized in my name. 16 (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.) 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
My initial impression is, Paul talks about the division of different church leaders due to different disciples, preachers or teachers. Paul is warning the corinth people not to give due importance to who the teacher was but to give importance to the teachings and not the teacher. Same goes with the teachers, that they should stand united in Christ.
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1 Cor 1, 10-17
A Church Divided Over Leaders
10 I appeal to you, brothers and sisters,[a] in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought. 11 My brothers and sisters, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. 12 What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas”; still another, “I follow Christ.”
13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so no one can say that you were baptized in my name. 16 (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.) 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
My initial impression is, Paul talks about the division of different church leaders due to different disciples, preachers or teachers. Paul is warning the corinth people not to give due importance to who the teacher was but to give importance to the teachings and not the teacher. Same goes with the teachers, that they should stand united in Christ.
Correct...Then here come's the Ministers of the INC pertaining these verses as unity for voting a candidate.
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So, ang mga miyembro ba ay taga sunod ni Jesus? O mga taga sunod ni Manalo? O taga sunod ng Sanggunian?
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The way I see it,mas may bearing ang salita ni manalo o ng sanggunian,kesa sa salita ni Kristo mismo.
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The way I see it,mas may bearing ang salita ni manalo o ng sanggunian,kesa sa salita ni Kristo mismo.
parang ganoon na nga... :(:(:(
OR and if it is true that INC members are not allowed to bring or read their Bible and only ministers are allowed, then tagasunod nga sila ni Manalo/Sangunian... :(:(:(
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Pumayag ka na sir sa ganong topic.
Tutal, ang title ng thread, INC - Doctrines, Issues, Politics, etc. Unang-una nga sa listahan ang topic na "doctrines."
Yes, ganon na nga ang paniniwala ng INC.
Para sa kanila, si Hesus ay taong-tao lang. Yan ang unique sa doktrina nila.
Ang ibang relihiyon na hindi tinuturing ang sarili na Kristiyano (eg. - Islam), ang paniniwala ay si Hesus ay tao lang. Pero sa mga relihiyon na tinuturing ang sarili na Kristiyano, INC lang ang alam ko na ang paniniwala ay si Kristo ay tao lang.
Example kung paano nila sinusuportahan ang kanilang paniniwala:
Datapuwa't ngayo'y pinagsisikapan ninyo akong patayin, na taong sa inyo'y nagsaysay ng katotohanan... (Jn. 8:40)
Ano ang sabi ng panginoong Hesus tungkol sa kanyang sarili? Siya raw ay taong nagsaysay ng katotohanan. Hindi Diyos na nagsaysay ng katotohanan, kundi taong nagsaysay ng katotohanan. Samakatuwid, ang panginoong Hesus mismo ang nagsabi na siya ay tao at hindi Diyos.
Ano naman ang sabi ng Ama?
Ako ang una, at ako ang huli; at liban sa akin ay walang Dios. ... May Dios baga liban sa akin? oo, walang malaking Bato; ako'y walang nakikilalang iba. (is. 44: 6; 8 )
Sabi ng Ama, siya lang ang Diyos, wala nang iba, at wala siyang nakikilalang iba. Kung ganon, hindi maaaring Diyos si Hesus.
Kaya sa mga paliwanag ng ministro ng INC at talagang taliwas ang mga interpretation nila at sa mga ilan2 verse lang kukuha at yon na ang ipangliliko sa kaisipan ng mga member nila. The worst part is yong sila lang daw maliligtas, maling katuruan na naman yan as in double destination katulad ng mga calvinist. 1st chapter of John says about Jesus as Lord and connect to Genesis 1st chapter which is the creation. Indeed God is only one BUT in three form; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit!
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This "unity" in INC doctrine is based on the following verse, among others:
10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. (1 Cor. 1:10)
If God's people should be united in the same mind and in the same judgment, then they should also be united in voting during elections. That is why the INC votes as a block during elections --- to obey the commandment on unity.
The big problem is that the verse is talking about unity in spiritual matters, not worldly matters such as elections. Dinampot yung sitas ukol sa sprituwal at nilapat sa materyal ... :D
Here's a more detailed INC discussion:
http://www.studyiglesianicristo.com/Questions/interesting-questions-a122.html
Ginagawa nila ang "UNITY" voting ay para makapang gulang sa gobyerno, makakuha ng position, in short lobbyists sila!
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The big problem is that the verse is talking about unity in spiritual matters, not worldly matters such as elections. Dinampot yung sitas ukol sa sprituwal at nilapat sa materyal ... :D
You hit the nail on the head there Barrister. ;D
Precisely. smh....
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So, ang mga miyembro ba ay taga sunod ni Jesus? O mga taga sunod ni Manalo? O taga sunod ng Sanggunian?
tagasunod sa mga materyal na mga bagay, hindi sa usaping spritual....
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Kaya sa mga paliwanag ng ministro ng INC at talagang taliwas ang mga interpretation nila at sa mga ilan2 verse lang kukuha at yon na ang ipangliliko sa kaisipan ng mga member nila. The worst part is yong sila lang daw maliligtas, maling katuruan na naman yan as in double destination katulad ng mga calvinist. 1st chapter of John says about Jesus as Lord and connect to Genesis 1st chapter which is the creation. Indeed God is only one BUT in three form; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit!
ganyan talaga lahat ng nakabasa me kanya kanyang interpretasyon....
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tagasunod sa mga materyal na mga bagay, hindi sa usaping spritual....
the reality is if hindi nga sila tagasunod ni Kristo... they can't differentiate what is spiritual and what is material/worldly things... :(:(:(
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the reality is if hindi nga sila tagasunod ni Kristo... they can't differentiate what is spiritual and what is material/worldly things... :(:(:(
and this is the sad scary part.....
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http://news.abs-cbn.com/video/global-filipino/01/25/16/menorca-arrest-galvanizes-some-us-based-inc-members
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pero me nabalitaan ka na ba na sang obispo ng katoliko, ipina-pahuli sa nbi ang lider ng ibang religion?
wala pa naman, RC leaders deal more on the national issues eh..
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Did God send an angel to unify the church?
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^malamang hindi, kasi nag-usbungang parang mga kabuti ang mga religious groups...
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^malamang hindi, kasi nag-usbungang parang mga kabuti ang mga religious groups...
For INC, Felix is the Angel (Rev 7:2).
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eh bakit nga me mga sigalot sa loob mismo ng INC? bakit kinailangang iharass si menorca?
madaling sabihin na angel si ka Felix, eh yung mga iniwan nya? hindi kaya demonyo?
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eh bakit nga me mga sigalot sa loob mismo ng INC? bakit kinailangang iharass si menorca?
unang una inde kaiilanman nag send si Jesus ng Angel to unify the Church.
Eph 4:11
11And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherdsc and teachers,d 12to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, 13until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood,e to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ, 14so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes. 15Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, 16from whom the whole body, joined and held together by every joint with which it is equipped, when each part is working properly, makes the body grow so that it builds itself up in love.
Walang Angel diyan na siyang inatasan para ma-unify ang Church.
Ang pamamalakad ng iglesia nila ay pinamumunuan ng angel na inde naman tinaawag ng Dios para ma-equip yung iglesia.
Kaya ganyan kaagulo sa INC.
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Kung Anghel din si Felix Manalo, what happened to his body after he died? Are angels governed by laws of the mortal realm? Sorry di ko pa napapanood yung movie. ;D
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pangalawa, walang sinomang sa mga nasa baba yung nag turo, nag equip kay Felix about the true and sound doctrine...
11And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherdsc and teachers
at saan ni Felix pinagpupulot ang pira-pirasong doctrina na pinagsama sama niya?
at sino ba ang nagdisipulo kay Felix? wag mong sabihin ang Panginoong Hesukristo, dahil nag assign na siya ng mga apostoles, propeta, evangelista, pastor at guro to do the task of equipping church members.
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Kung Anghel din si Felix Manalo, what happened to his body after he died? Are angels governed by laws of the mortal realm? Sorry di ko pa napapanood yung movie. ;D
the point is inde nagtalaga ng angel or human messenger ang Panginoong Hesukristo para mga equip ng church, basa mo uli sa taas yung verse Eph 4:11 on wards.
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Whatever you would like to believe about God or about Jesus, the only test is whether you believe or you will not believe that you will go to heaven. if you believe, then there is no reason to hurt the feelings of others because the truth is the more you hurt them the more you depart from the correct way to heaven.
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me ipinakita bang appointment papers si ka Felix na appointed sya ng God?
hindi ba salita lang nyan yon?
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the point is inde nagtalaga ng angel or human messenger ang Panginoong Hesukristo para mga equip ng church, basa mo uli sa taas yung verse Eph 4:11 on wards.
eh paano nga kung sa pagblik ni Jesus sabihin nyang maramng palpak sa biblia, paano na?
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pero me nabalitaan ka na ba na sang obispo ng katoliko, ipina-pahuli sa nbi ang lider ng ibang religion?
Dati sir... Nasa history ng roman catholic... ;-)
Hindi lang lider sir pati mga miyembro ng ibang religion pinagpapatay..
Kung anuman pinagdaanan noon ng RC malamang lamang pinagdadaanan din ng INC ngyon... Eventually malalampasan din naman nila ito tsaka wala pa sa kalingkingan ng mga pinaggagawa ng RC noon ang mga ginagawa ng mga namamahala ngayon ng INC.
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Dati sir... Nasa history ng roman catholic... ;-)
Hindi lang lider sir pati mga miyembro ng ibang religion pinagpapatay..
Kung anuman pinagdaanan noon ng RC malamang lamang pinagdadaanan din ng INC ngyon... Eventually malalampasan din naman nila ito tsaka wala pa sa kalingkingan ng mga pinaggagawa ng RC noon ang mga ginagawa ng mga namamahala ngayon ng INC.
maraming nasawi sa dark days ng RC, nasa history yan, pero natuto na ang simbahan...
sa makabagong panahon wala ng katulad ng sa INC....
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Dati sir... Nasa history ng roman catholic... ;-)
Hindi lang lider sir pati mga miyembro ng ibang religion pinagpapatay..
Kung anuman pinagdaanan noon ng RC malamang lamang pinagdadaanan din ng INC ngyon... Eventually malalampasan din naman nila ito tsaka wala pa sa kalingkingan ng mga pinaggagawa ng RC noon ang mga ginagawa ng mga namamahala ngayon ng INC.
Gumaganda lalo usapan dito papunta na tayo sa pinagugatan ng malaking kaguluhan sa pananampalatayang Christiano.
Hindi ba taon taon may namamatay sa Quipo tuwing may prosisyon ng Itim na Nazareno. Off topic na ito. ;D
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maraming nasawi sa dark days ng RC, nasa history yan, pero natuto na ang simbahan...
sa makabagong panahon wala ng katulad ng sa INC....
hindi tayo nakakasiguro nyan... one thing is for sure... sa na experienced ng RC before... they now know how to hide their corruptions and transgressions na kung saan kahit mga miyembro nila hindi rin alam :):):)
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Gumaganda lalo usapan dito papunta na tayo sa pinagugatan ng malaking kaguluhan sa pananampalatayang Christiano.
Hindi ba taon taon may namamatay sa Quipo tuwing may prosisyon ng Itim na Nazareno. Off topic na ito. ;D
ang mga namatay, hindi pinatay.....kagustuhan ng may katawan yon....pananampalataya nya...
ibang usapan kung ang member ng simbahan ay dinukot, tinorture, at pinatay.....
malaki ang pinagkaiba nyan....
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hindi tayo nakakasiguro nyan... one thing is for sure... sa na experienced ng RC before... they now know how to hide their corruptions and transgressions na kung saan kahit mga miyembro nila hindi rin alam :):):)
walang krimen na maitatago......lahat ng baho sumisingaw...
ako maraming nabalitaan.....simple lang naman ang explanations diya....
eh kasi tao lang sila.....kaya nga ang sa akin,
kung nagkasala, kasuhan sa korte, ikulong, simple as that...
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walang krimen na maitatago......lahat ng baho sumisingaw...
ako maraming nabalitaan.....simple lang naman ang explanations diya....
eh kasi tao lang sila.....kaya nga ang sa akin,
kung nagkasala, kasuhan sa korte, ikulong, simple as that...
yup agree but to assume that
sa makabagong panahon wala ng katulad ng sa INC....
ay hindi ako sang-ayon... baka nga mas malala pa ang RC sa kasalukuyan... di lang obvious or di lang nailalabas kasi majority ditto sa Pilipinas ay RC pati halos majority ng ating mga kapulisan/pulitiko...
gasino lang ba ang INC - 2% of total population :(:(:(
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sa makabagong panahon wala ng katulad ng sa INC....
what i mean here is that no more of the harassment like that of Menorca's....
ay hindi ako sang-ayon... baka nga mas malala pa ang RC sa kasalukuyan... di lang obvious or di lang nailalabas kasi majority ditto sa Pilipinas ay RC pati halos majority ng ating mga kapulisan/pulitiko...
posible yan...pero......
eh ang mga born against meron din, ginamit sila ng CIA para sa low intensity conflict to fight communism....
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ang mga namatay, hindi pinatay.....kagustuhan ng may katawan yon....pananampalataya nya...
ibang usapan kung ang member ng simbahan ay dinukot, tinorture, at pinatay.....
malaki ang pinagkaiba nyan....
are you saying no one should held accountable? kahit na mamatay ang member sa pagtupad sa isang gawain na ipinaniwala sa kanya na itoy ukol sa Dyos?
thats why malakas ang loob ng mga Lider ng relihiyon magturo ng wala sa wisyo hugas kamay sila palagi...
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are you saying no one should held accountable? kahit na mamatay ang member sa pagtupad sa isang gawain na ipinaniwala sa kanya na itoy ukol sa Dyos?
thats why malakas ang loob ng mga Lider ng relihiyon magturo ng wala sa wisyo hugas kamay sila palagi...
you have to understand na hndi sila pinilit dumalo,
kusang loob silang nagtungo sa kanilang kamatayan...
kahit ang simbahan mismo hindi hinihikayat ang mga ganyang gawain,
pero part of religious freedom yan, right or wrong,
i even think it is wrong but but what to do?
sino sa palagay mo ang dapat managot?
thats why malakas ang loob ng mga Lider ng relihiyon magturo ng wala sa wisyo hugas kamay sila palagi...
totoo yan....lahat ng religion naitatag para magkamal ng salapi at kapangyarihan....
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eh paano nga kung sa pagblik ni Jesus sabihin nyang maramng palpak sa biblia, paano na?
marami namang pumalpak sa bible, si David, si Moses, si Solomon at iba pa...
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posible yan...pero......
eh ang mga born against meron din, ginamit sila ng CIA para sa low intensity conflict to fight communism....
LIC miss mo!!! dagsa dito kasagsagan ng antimarcos at npa
https://books.google.com.ph/books?id=usrRAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA139&lpg=PA139&dq=low+intensity+conflict+born-again+movements&source=bl&ots=UcTGzr8Stl&sig=fLJz-S5qBGF_0SFALDW8RQj8hfw&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=low%20intensity%20conflict%20born-again%20movements&f=false
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THIS forum ought to remained fundamentally a sounding-board of INK atrocities. This church is a clear and present danger - against our right to be governed by honestly-elected officials, and have a "fair deal" in life. How can any one of you here getting a fair deal in this culture when even your driver's license, your car plates, your national and local police honchos, even your receiver/TV standard - is being purloined or poached by this church? Yes, as thorough they are in putting their own people in the plummiest positions in the PNP, the LTO, the Ombudsman, etcetera - the INK has even coerced the government by 2005 to adopt the NHK (Japan) TV standard or ISDB-T for the migration to digital TV broadcasting. Whats contentious about this coercion (done during the Arroyo years where the INK has gained tremendous concessions due to the weak and corrosively corrupt tenancy of Gloria Arroyo) is the fact that if the Philippines were to adopt ISDB-T as our standard, its more expensive for the millions of DTV subscribers, and it runs crosscurrent against much of the world's de facto standard.
Why should a church, out of all people, maneuvers the NTC to adopt a more expensive, technically-limited, broadcast standard when people in the Americas, Europe and Asia has chosen DVB-T altogether? Its because the INK TV station (Net 25, et al.) is setting its digital migration to the Japanese standard.
But some sober heads in the NTC prevailed against the scheme, the schemer was overruled.
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing - Edmund Burke.....
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what should be done, what are you doing ^^^
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THIS forum ought to remained fundamentally a sounding-board of INK atrocities. This church is a clear and present danger - against our right to be governed by honestly-elected officials, and have a "fair deal" in life. How can any one of you here getting a fair deal in this culture when even your driver's license, your car plates, your national and local police honchos, even your receiver/TV standard - is being purloined or poached by this church? Yes, as thorough they are in putting their own people in the plummiest positions in the PNP, the LTO, the Ombudsman, etcetera - the INK has even coerced the government by 2005 to adopt the NHK (Japan) TV standard or ISDB-T for the migration to digital TV broadcasting. Whats contentious about this coercion (done during the Arroyo years where the INK has gained tremendous concessions due to the weak and corrosively corrupt tenancy of Gloria Arroyo) is the fact that if the Philippines were to adopt ISDB-T as our standard, its more expensive for the millions of DTV subscribers, and it runs crosscurrent against much of the world's de facto standard.
Why should a church, out of all people, maneuvers the NTC to adopt a more expensive, technically-limited, broadcast standard when people in the Americas, Europe and Asia has chosen DVB-T altogether? Its because the INK TV station (Net 25, et al.) is setting its digital migration to the Japanese standard.
But some sober heads in the NTC prevailed against the scheme, the schemer was overruled.
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing - Edmund Burke.....
Ang alam ko, ABS-CBN ang naging major influence sa ISB-T. Though you are right. Dapat hindi tayo ISB-T. Dapat japanese standard tayo.
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THIS forum ought to remained fundamentally a sounding-board of INK atrocities. This church is a clear and present danger - against our right to be governed by honestly-elected officials, and have a "fair deal" in life. How can any one of you here getting a fair deal in this culture when even your driver's license, your car plates, your national and local police honchos, even your receiver/TV standard - is being purloined or poached by this church? Yes, as thorough they are in putting their own people in the plummiest positions in the PNP, the LTO, the Ombudsman, etcetera - the INK has even coerced the government by 2005 to adopt the NHK (Japan) TV standard or ISDB-T for the migration to digital TV broadcasting. Whats contentious about this coercion (done during the Arroyo years where the INK has gained tremendous concessions due to the weak and corrosively corrupt tenancy of Gloria Arroyo) is the fact that if the Philippines were to adopt ISDB-T as our standard, its more expensive for the millions of DTV subscribers, and it runs crosscurrent against much of the world's de facto standard.
Why should a church, out of all people, maneuvers the NTC to adopt a more expensive, technically-limited, broadcast standard when people in the Americas, Europe and Asia has chosen DVB-T altogether? Its because the INK TV station (Net 25, et al.) is setting its digital migration to the Japanese standard.
But some sober heads in the NTC prevailed against the scheme, the schemer was overruled.
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing - Edmund Burke.....
what should be done, what are you doing ^^^
I would suggest is to Boycott their candidate for this coming election.
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For the INC vote, I see a toss between Mar and Grace. ;)
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http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/764245/after-3-libel-suits-lowell-menorca-slapped-with-adultery-raps
Happy Valentines day
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^ ang tindi ng nga binabato sa kanya. Hirap!
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Naguuwi ng mga items from hotels tapos ilalagay sa cr nila... Harap harapang iniiputan sa ulo ang lalaki ;-) ... Tanga ba ang babae para gawin niya iyon?
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consentual sex exploited to the hilt....
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battle shifts ground.... america
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For the INC vote, I see a toss between Mar and Grace. ;)
anyone from the yellow ay di kkunin ng inc anyone also who is recommended by abs cbn
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^ I agree, my guess it is split between Mar and Poe
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Pakana ba ng INC ang mga "iboykot ang ABS-CBN" posters?
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INC child brainwashing video :o
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3nmYOQIidqo
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What I experienced from their sunday "classes" for children is far worse than that. All that brainwashing minus the cute kids and that catchy tune.
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there was this young kid who visited us and told me, "kaya hindi kayo mayaman, kasi hindi kayo INC member"...
say what? how can a young boy of about ten years old able to say that and why?
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Talk about spiritual growth... ^-^
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"Obey church administration and you will receive salvation"
Grabe... Ang tindi...
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eh yung sa el pudai, "siksik, lihlih at umaapaw", pag nag-ikapu...sabi ni brother mike...
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(https://scontent.fmnl3-2.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/10392296_1147237211975274_1775832367161968516_n.jpg?oh=7a1e6e7106232383aeecae4e3774947a&oe=5798800B)
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Ano na'ng nangyari dun sa issue with Menorca?
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flew like a bird....alam na...
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(https://scontent.fmnl3-2.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t1.0-9/10392296_1147237211975274_1775832367161968516_n.jpg?oh=7a1e6e7106232383aeecae4e3774947a&oe=5798800B)
this pretty much sums it all. To add, if your religion says that you will be the only ones saved, then you also need a new religion.
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I remember my exGF, ramdam mo ang lalim ng pangaral ng simbahan nila, talagang to the dot kung sundin nila, ibang klase...
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i remember a classmate in high school, nung tinuro ng teacher para magrecite ng topic, aba eh, pati comma, quotation raks at iba pa, nairecite....
religion should teach only one thing, "huwag kang magnakaw" yun lang at titino ang ating mundo...
nagtrabaho ako sa algeria ng higit three years, ang katwiran ng mga local, kaya raw maraming alibaba
ay kasalanan ng may-ari, sa kanila pag tinalikuran mo ang gamit mo, or iniwan mo na lang basta,
ibig sabihin daw noon ay ayaw mona at pwede na nilang kunin....katwirang arabo....
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this pretty much sums it all. To add, if your religion says that you will be the only ones saved, then you also need a new religion.
+1 di lang naman inc.....
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i remember a classmate in high school, nung tinuro ng teacher para magrecite ng topic, aba eh, pati comma, quotation raks at iba pa, nairecite....
religion should teach only one thing, "huwag kang magnakaw" yun lang at titino ang ating mundo...
nagtrabaho ako sa algeria ng higit three years, ang katwiran ng mga local, kaya raw maraming alibaba
ay kasalanan ng may-ari, sa kanila pag tinalikuran mo ang gamit mo, or iniwan mo na lang basta,
ibig sabihin daw noon ay ayaw mona at pwede na nilang kunin....katwirang arabo....
Ok yan sir. Pero bitin yan kasi kung ang itututro lang ng isang institution ay huwag magankaw, wala ngang magnanakaw pero puro bastos, rapists, uncontrolled drunkards, manyaks, basaguleros to name a few. Hehe!
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Ok yan sir. Pero bitin yan kasi kung ang itututro lang ng isang institution ay huwag magankaw, wala ngang magnanakaw pero puro bastos, rapists, uncontrolled drunkards, manyaks, basaguleros to name a few. Hehe!
Pinalitan na niya yan - Love your fellowman na dapat.
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Pinalitan na niya yan - Love your fellowman na dapat.
Yes nakita ko nga kanina sa kabilang thread after ko mag-reply. Hehe! Post mo yan sa LGBT issues, iba na naman ang meaning niyan. Haha!
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Yes nakita ko nga kanina sa kabilang thread after ko mag-reply. Hehe! Post mo yan sa LGBT issues, iba na naman ang meaning niyan. Haha!
Sa mga free thinker kuno... alisin na ang "-man" dapat "Love your fellow" na lang.
Mabalik tayo sa video ng mga bata - nakakatakot ang ginawa nilang iyon ang itanim sa isipan ng mga bata na ang sinumang sumusunod sa administration ay magkakaroon ng kaligtasan.
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Yeah. Pero that's what they believe kasi. Dual kasi ang salvation sa kanila ang alam ko. Jesus and being a member of their church. Without one of them, you cannot be saved based on their doctrines. This came about during FM time when FM was developing his doctrines. It was also during the time when bible expository pa ang uso na bible explanation. The problem lang with exposition, walang boundaries in which to limit yourself in interpreting the bible. Madaling mag-inject ng personal view. Most expository type does not put into consideration the date, time and situation of the book when it was written.
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tama ka nelson....
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religion is truly the "opium " of the people....
it makes the believers lose their critical thinking, their own humanity,
to be replaced by whatever the doctrines their church teaches them...
it teaches the people to accept whatever the government do to them without thinking,
without question without complaints....they can not see what is behind the negativity and the complaining,
they are quick to dismiss, and quickly cringe at mere hint of dissent....
for according to them, the leaders were appointed by god....
and so we have to be subservient always...
so i wonder, which god will allow a president who is no longer qualified for a 3rd term,
to become a dictator?
perhaps they could be talking about another god....
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It can also give people hope. It can also give them a sense of justice. It may also strengthen their moral values. It can also give purpose to their lives.
Depending on how you look at it. Hehe!
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It can also give people hope. It can also give them a sense of justice. It may also strengthen their moral values. It can also give purpose to their lives.
Depending on how you look at it. Hehe!
right again, depende kung sino ang nagsasalita...
me narinig akong kapitbahay na nga born against,
malakas ang sound system nila.... sabi ng pastor pag hindi daw nagbigay ng ikapu.
ninanakawan daw ang diyos.......ano daw?
kaya hayun at kakaunti na lang nag nakikita kong pumapasok, wala nang pang ikapu...
sigurop nahiya ng yung ibang mga members na nagnanakaw sa diyos...
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right again, depende kung sino ang nagsasalita...
me narinig akong kapitbahay na nga born against,
malakas ang sound system nila.... sabi ng pastor pag hindi daw nagbigay ng ikapu.
ninanakawan daw ang diyos.......ano daw?
kaya hayun at kakaunti na lang nag nakikita kong pumapasok, wala nang pang ikapu...
sigurop nahiya ng yung ibang mga members na nagnanakaw sa diyos...
Hehe! That's for the Jews ang alam ko. Why? Because the tithes is used to run the whole jewish system or government during the old testament times. Kapag tithes, as sir atty. Barrister mentioned, it was not simply 10%. May mga rules din governing that sa old testament. Ang alam ko ngayon, you give freely. Why do you give? Because it's a form of giving back to God what God has provided for us. And it is supposed to be used by the church to spread the word, enable the church workers and volunteers and equip them. Kung paano ang measurement, walang measurement. Kaya nga daw ninanakaw because during the old testament, ito na yun pinaka-tax ng mga tao which is used to run the jewish system or government. Di ba supposedly when we don't pay the right taxes, we are in effect, also stealing from the government?
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ej bakit kasi lahat ng nakasulat sa bible inaring lubos ng mga born against...
tahimik na rin ang sound system nila, pero yung banda sige parin kahit hindi kasing ingay...
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ej bakit kasi lahat ng nakasulat sa bible inaring lubos ng mga born against...
tahimik na rin ang sound system nila, pero yung banda sige parin kahit hindi kasing ingay...
Master Tony hindi ko na-gets yun meaning nung "inari yun lahat ng nakasulat". Hehe!
With regards to sound system, you mean yun may banda sa loob ng church ba?
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well as long as nakasulat sa lumang tipan, kanila rin yon...mga hudyo rin sila...;)
yes, maliit na kapilya me banda pag sunday, actually hindi na sila kasing ingay tulad ng dati,,,
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well as long as nakasulat sa lumang tipan, kanila rin yon...mga hudyo rin sila...;)
yes, maliit na kapilya me banda pag sunday, actually hindi na sila kasing ingay tulad ng dati,,,
I see what you mean. Hehe! Hindi lahat ng nakasulat sa lumang tipan is obsolete na. And both the old and new testament is applicable not only for believers but non-believers as well. But if you mean inari nila ang salvation, that is a debatable issue kasi though specific ang bible when it comes to that, a lot of people have taken it out of context by "claiming" it through adding certain verses not relevant to salvation and connecting it.
Ah yun banda. Hehe! I would think na may mali yun simbahan kasi hindi sila dapat nakakabulabog ng neighbor.
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oo nga, tapos makakarinig ka pa na sabi ng pastor, "ninanakawan ang Diyos" muntik na akong mapasugod at magsama ng pulis para hulihin yung mga magnanakaw..... >:D >:D >:D
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But if you mean inari nila ang salvation, that is a debatable issue kasi though specific ang bible when it comes to that, a lot of people have taken it out of context by "claiming" it through adding certain verses not relevant to salvation and connecting it.
Bro pabayaan mo na na ariin ng lahat ng relihiyon ang salvation. Wala namang makapagpapatunay nyan not unless maghukom na. If we take that positively, lahat ng tao ay maliligtas, di ba maganda? hehe
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http://news.abs-cbn.com/global-filipino/05/04/16/inc-families-resign-to-join-defenders
Nasa Canada na pala 'to?! Hanep ah, seeking asylum.
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good for him....
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Sana matalo si bbm at duterte para mawala na yang pakikialam ng inc na yan sa gobyerno. dapat kasi ang mga kandidato di na pinapansin ang mga ganyang religion... :(
Dalhin ko lang sa mas naakmang topic...
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Tama po ba na sina Duterte at Bongbong na ang iboboto nila? O bawal po i-reveal?
Lahat po ba sumusunod dito?
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Tama po ba na sina Duterte at Bongbong na ang iboboto nila? O bawal po i-reveal?
Lahat po ba sumusunod dito?
Lahat daw ng kandidato pumila. Pati si Pnoy nagbakasakali, siguro solid nga talaga sila.
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From what I was told by my INC friends, they are pretty much solid. Sinasabi nila na they feel around 95% vote as per what their elders tell them.
I dont know how true.
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From what I was told by my INC friends, they are pretty much solid. Sinasabi nila na they feel around 95% vote as per what their elders tell them.
I dont know how true.
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Madaling i-trace yan per precinct kung gusto nila. Total of members in a precinct = min votes. Mas lalo na in precincts where registration is, all INC, remember may mga housing or communities sila.
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yun mga nag rally sa EDSA dun matatancha mo na kung gaano sila ka solid. may daan libo ba pumunta dun?
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Mukhang ALDUB na talaga ang ieendorso nila - ALyansang DUterte at Bongbong.
Ano kaya ang pinangako ni Dutz kay Manalo nung nagmeeting sila?
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From what I was told by my INC friends, they are pretty much solid. Sinasabi nila na they feel around 95% vote as per what their elders tell them.
I dont know how true.
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that is true, Manalo is their god....no one dares disobey him or else matutulad sila kay Menorca...
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I interviewed one of my INC friends last night.
The choice of Presidentiable and VP... was presented to them as a "teaching".
Meaning, it is still up to the member whether or not he decides to abide by the teaching.
I asked if their elders will check who they voted for (since may receipt). Hindi daw... pero, my friend honestly believes the INC flock will follow what was taught them. He believes that around 90 to 95% (his figures) will vote Du30.
nbc
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I interviewed one of my INC friends last night.
The choice of Presidentiable and VP... was presented to them as a "teaching".
Meaning, it is still up to the member whether or not he decides to abide by the teaching.
I asked if their elders will check who they voted for (since may receipt). Hindi daw... pero, my friend honestly believes the INC flock will follow what was taught them. He believes that around 90 to 95% (his figures) will vote Du30.
nbc
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they do not have free will, what manalo tells them, that is law....
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they do not have free will, what manalo tells them, that is law....
They have--- but they just cannot resist to go against the dictates of the Supremo.
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They have--- but they just cannot resist to go against the dictates of the Supremo.
so they have the free will to follow blindly....
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Si Duterte, inendorso ng INC.
Kahit inamin ni Duterte na meron siyang dalawang asawa at dalawang girlfriend. One girlfriend works as a cashier, the other girlfriend works at a mall. Sabi pa ni Duterte, "Ano gagawin ko sa karga-karga ko?" Marami raw siyang girlfriend noong bata pa siya, pero ngayon daw, short time na lang.
Inamin din ni Duterte na pumapatay siya ng tao. At pararamihin pa ang papatayin, patatabain pa nga raw ang isda sa Manila Bay.
Kinuwento pa minolestiya niya ang housemaid.
Ngayon, ano masasabi mo sa relihiyon na mag-eendorso ng ganyang tao?
OK lang kung hindi relihiyon, pero kung relihiyon na sinasabing sumusunod sa biliya, tapos ok lang ang mag-endorso ng kahit sino basta number 1 sa surveys, para mapaniwala lang ang mga tao na malakas ang hatak ng boto ng iglesya nila, e matibay na talaga sikmura ng mga ito.
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Si Duterte, inendorso ng INC.
Kahit inamin ni Duterte na meron siyang dalawang asawa at dalawang girlfriend. One girlfriend works as a cashier, the other girlfriend works at a mall. Sabi pa ni Duterte, "Ano gagawin ko sa karga-karga ko?" Marami raw siyang girlfriend noong bata pa siya, pero ngayon daw, short time na lang.
Inamin din ni Duterte na pumapatay siya ng tao. At pararamihin pa ang papatayin, patatabain pa nga raw ang isda sa Manila Bay.
Kinuwento pa minolestiya niya ang housemaid.
Ngayon, ano masasabi mo sa relihiyon na mag-eendorso ng ganyang tao?
OK lang kung hindi relihiyon, pero kung relihiyon na sinasabing sumusunod sa biliya, tapos ok lang ang mag-endorso ng kahit sino basta number 1 sa surveys, para mapaniwala lang ang mga tao na malakas ang hatak ng boto ng iglesya nila, e matibay na talaga sikmura ng mga ito.
this country is really going to the dogs. religion and politics, parehong may vested interests.
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its not going....alredi der na
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Si Duterte, inendorso ng INC.
Kahit inamin ni Duterte na meron siyang dalawang asawa at dalawang girlfriend. One girlfriend works as a cashier, the other girlfriend works at a mall. Sabi pa ni Duterte, "Ano gagawin ko sa karga-karga ko?" Marami raw siyang girlfriend noong bata pa siya, pero ngayon daw, short time na lang.
Inamin din ni Duterte na pumapatay siya ng tao. At pararamihin pa ang papatayin, patatabain pa nga raw ang isda sa Manila Bay.
Kinuwento pa minolestiya niya ang housemaid.
Ngayon, ano masasabi mo sa relihiyon na mag-eendorso ng ganyang tao?
OK lang kung hindi relihiyon, pero kung relihiyon na sinasabing sumusunod sa biliya, tapos ok lang ang mag-endorso ng kahit sino basta number 1 sa surveys, para mapaniwala lang ang mga tao na malakas ang hatak ng boto ng iglesya nila, e matibay na talaga sikmura ng mga ito.
E paano kung relihiyosong tao na nagsasabing na sumusunod sya sa bibliya pero iboboto/ieendorso pa rin si si duterte? Maituturing pa rin bang relihiyosong tao yun?
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Ngayon, ano masasabi mo sa relihiyon na mag-eendorso ng ganyang tao?
iglesia ni manalo.... >:D
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Ngayon, ano masasabi mo sa relihiyon na mag-eendorso ng ganyang tao?
Hindi mapanghusga?
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well you have to understand, as a leader of a church, he has to look after what is good
for his followers.....
how many of his lawyers get to become fiscals, judges.....nbi agents...
how many of his followers in the military and police get promotions....
in other words, how many of his members get to land a government job....
alam na.....
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well you have to understand, as a leader of a church, he has to look after what is good
for his followers.....
how many of his lawyers get to become fiscals, judges.....nbi agents...
how many of his followers in the military and police get promotions....
in other words, how many of his members get to land a government job....
alam na.....
it all boils down to one thing with this endorsement. vested interests. so nawala na yung teachings to tread the righteous path and to stand for what is right and just. all in the name of personal gain.
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it all boils down to one thing with this endorsement. vested interests. so nawala na yung teachings to tread the righteous path and to stand for what is right and just. all in the name of personal gain.
sabi ng iba... hindi lang daw mapanghusga ang INC... toink... kaya kahit sino basta leading sa survey iyon ang endorse nila... toink ulit.
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INC child brainwashing video :o
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3nmYOQIidqo
Maybe Duterte can comission INC to make videos like this for him for his upcoming regime.
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sabi ng iba... hindi lang daw mapanghusga ang INC... toink... kaya kahit sino basta leading sa survey iyon ang endorse nila... toink ulit.
Hindi raw mapanghusga ang INC.
Sample ng aral nila: Paring Katoliko at Pastor Protestante ay mga ministro ni Satanas.
“Kaninong Ministro kung gayon ang mga Paring Katoliko? Mga Ministro ni Satanas na Diablo” (Pasugo, Dis. 1965, p. 5)
“Kaya sa wakas ng lathalaing ito dapat na nating itakwil ang mga paring katoliko at ang mga pastor protestante, sapagkat SILA’Y MGA MINISTRO NI SATANAS. Dapat din nating itakuwil ang Iglesia Katolika at ang iba’t ibang iglesia protestante, sapagkat sila’y hindi sa Diyos, kundi sila’y kay Satanas o sa demonyo. Ang pagtatakuwil ninyo sa kanila at sa kanilang mga maling aral ay pagsunod ninyo sa Diyos, kay Cristo at sa mga Apostol.” (Pasugo, Ago. 1961, p. 39)
Hindi pala mapanghusga, ha. ;D
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soon duterte will make bayad.utang ?
tsktsk
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simple lang ang kabayaran, ilagay ang mga kasapi ng iglesia no manalo sa supreme court, police at militar at sa customs o sa LTO....mahirap bang gawin yon?
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ayos! church n state hiwalay ?
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E paano kung relihiyosong tao na nagsasabing na sumusunod sya sa bibliya pero iboboto/ieendorso pa rin si si duterte? Maituturing pa rin bang relihiyosong tao yun?
Sir I think iba ang function ng leader vs individual. Like what Ka Rene said:
ayos! church n state hiwalay ?
I think the difference sir Rusty lies in the influence. As a leader, you have influence over your people unlike sa individual na medjo suggestive lang.
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Quote from: dpogs on May 05, 2016 at 01:30 PM
Sana matalo si bbm at duterte para mawala na yang pakikialam ng inc na yan sa gobyerno. dapat kasi ang mga kandidato di na pinapansin ang mga ganyang religion... :(
panalo na dpogs.
pwede naman tablahin, insignificant naman na yung figure na naambag nila eh. hehe.
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Local LP line up ang sinuportahan ng INC dito sa amin, except 1 SB....na challenge yata yung hindi isinama....ayun, number 1 na SB tuloy....ha ha ha....panis ang INC, considering na walang pondo yung tao...ako nga rin ay di maniniwalang manalo sya, pero nasa kanya pala ang karisma ng nanay nya na na-car accident/namatay na mayor. Dati ring mayor ang tatay...
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yes, like Poe in 2013, who would haave thought.....the INC relies solely on surveys....
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konti attendees sa evangelical mission? hindi hebi traffic
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olats bbm, split vote inc?
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a myth....
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perhaps pero kakabig cla, panalo c du30
sana wag bigyan ng juicy
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How true?
Atty. Trixie Cruz-Angeles, one female office staff and 2 other unarmed male companions were ganged upon by male guards of the INC while police officers from station 3 QC watched on.
The victims have already been pulled out and taken to east avenue medical center for treatment and medico legal check up.
Atty. Trixie Cruz-Angeles went to No. 36 Tandang Sora Avenue to respond to the request of the occupants for assistance after a truckload of policemen, masked INC guards and members of the Barangay massed outside the said address.
Atty. Trixie and party were ganged upon by masked men as she approached the gate to ask for a copy of the court order which the attackers were purportedly attempting to serve.
The attackers and negligent police officers are still at the scene of the incident as of this posting.
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How true?
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/797621/tension-rises-anew-at-disputed-inc-compound
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With all the EJK, does INC have a stand or it supports the Duterte admin's purging of the poor drug users
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We are always quiet when it comes to politics. We never discuss it nor talk about it during church service. That has been eversince nakakaintindi ako. Lately lang kami nagugulo bec of social media.
Pero not talking about it means we support it , hi di ganoon yon. Killing is killing. Ang nababanggit lang lately sa service is to have stronger faith in God bec of what is happening around us. Wag din maluling sa drugs , alcohol , gambling etc.
Even the issue with angel's camp hindi na namin discuss, kung makaka rinig kayo ng horror stories most likely haka haka na lang ng mga iba members. Pero sa stand ng Tagapamahala hanggat hi di sya nagsasalita wala kami muna stand.
Hanga ako kay ka Eduardo Manalo, napaka tatag nya. And programs lately are very relevant like strengthening the faith, spreading the word of God and most esp helping the less fortunates whether INC member or hindi.
Hope you guys can attend one of our worship services , wala naman perpekto yalaga lalo na sa lumalaking entity pero makikita nyo pa din ang difference.
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Tama ka bro, ignore the noise dahil when something came up to my feed just 2 days ago, sobrang vicious ang nakasulat and my first question is why would someone hit the INC and it's leadership this bad.
Just tune out the noise since your faith keeps you well in the fold.
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