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Title: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 13, 2016 at 05:03 PM
yung htib ko kasi maibebenta ko na may nag down na. kaya mapipilitan na ko magbuo talaga.ready na budget ko na 60k

wharfedale 230     bnew  18k
wharfedale 220c   bnew  7720
wharfedale dfs      bnew   5420
pioneer vsx531      bnew  14800
marco pilyo             bnew  12500

option ko
yung kay scoob 2nd hand kapg umurong yung dalawang nauna nagpareserve

rtia3 and csi a6 17k(2nd)
psw125(bnew) kapos budget sa svs pera na lng kung may magbebenta second hand na 20k
onkyo 636(2ND)16k

anu mga cable ko n kaylangan bilhin o may kasama n cable eto mga ito at saan at magkanu?

anu po masasabi nyo sa bubuin ko ok ba sya o may mas maganda pa?

mas maganda ba dfs or yung bookshelf pra sa surround?ilalagay sya bali sa wall

yung sub ba tama ang choice ko marco pilyo kaysa polk 125

kaylangan ko ba ng regulator din?anung klase or limit at mga magkanu kaya ito?

music 10 movies 90
music pop,rnb,latest music
room is 12ft by 20ft siguro(hula lang)
marble and hindi sya acoustic treated ba tawag dun
tv 49ku6300
media player asus o play mini
bluray player bibili pa lang

nag audition ko dati pero parang pare parehas lang ang pandinig ko.kaya sgrado ako na newbie ako hehehe

kaya sa inyo na lang ako aasa

pls help

maraming salamat po.

may hangang sat pa ko bago bumili


Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: shoktongxxx on Nov 13, 2016 at 05:12 PM
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psw125(bnew) kapos budget sa svs pera na lng kung may magbebenta second hand na 20k
good choice sir for the sub. 8)
PSW125 din ako bago mag SVS..for start sulit ang PSW125.  ;)
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 13, 2016 at 05:16 PM
good choice sir for the sub. 8)
PSW125 din ako bago mag SVS..for start sulit ang PSW125.  ;)

sir actually binabalak ko yung marco pilyo kaysa sa polk 125.mas maganda ba 125 kaysa dn sa marco pilyo sub?
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 13, 2016 at 05:17 PM
sayang nga yung mga dati lagi nauunahan sa svs sa marketplace  at hindi pa ako ganun ka desido ngayon kasi sure na magbubuo na ko
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: shoktongxxx on Nov 13, 2016 at 05:24 PM
sir actually binabalak ko yung marco pilyo kaysa sa polk 125.mas maganda ba 125 kaysa dn sa marco pilyo sub?
di pa ako naka try nung kay Marco eh..pero sa polk 125 sulit ka na dyan in my experience ha. Dapat nga keep ko nalang yung 125 di sana dual sub na ako. ;)
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: zram18 on Nov 13, 2016 at 05:44 PM
svs pb2000 maganda talaga nasa hifi show sa dusit gapang yung rumbling lfe sound effects buong floor yanig. syempre maganda din presyo supersale at 41k srp 49k.
pilyo sub malakas din bec of d amp4v2 pangit lang form kc patayo saka hiwalay amp pero kung d ka naman maselan ok na as stopgap measure for future svs.
polk125 underpowered ung amp 200 watts lang yata pero ok na rin if compared sa polk 110 saka kung d ka naman malakas magsound sa movie. pero kung polk better ang polk 660wi vs psw125 though 25k price kc malakas amp nya.
better audition all kung ano maganda sa taste mo and trust ur instinct..pag movies spend more on center and sub.
weakness sa planned setup mo ang pioneer 531 kc floorstander gamit mo bka mahirapan cya ipower 5 speakers wid fs as ur left & right. remedy is wag u masyado lakasan volume.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 13, 2016 at 06:49 PM
yun lang mahilig ako malakas volume.nabibitin na ko sa sound ng htib kaya ako maguupgrade.

dapat ba bookshelf na lang?

and mas maganda ba sa surround dfs or bookshelf?
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 13, 2016 at 10:50 PM
meron dn plaonkyo 545(2nd) 18k kso tinatanung ko pa kng may kasamang mic
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: markcrenz on Nov 13, 2016 at 10:55 PM
dapat ba bookshelf na lang?
FS are generally more efficient and has better extension than BS of the same brand in the same line. That means more SPL and bass for the same amplifier power. I don't get it when people say FS would be harder to drive than their BS counterparts.

Title: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: bongchillog on Nov 13, 2016 at 10:57 PM
svs pb2000 maganda talaga nasa hifi show sa dusit gapang yung rumbling lfe sound effects buong floor yanig. syempre maganda din presyo supersale at 41k srp 49k.
pilyo sub malakas din bec of d amp4v2 pangit lang form kc patayo saka hiwalay amp pero kung d ka naman maselan ok na as stopgap measure for future svs.
polk125 underpowered ung amp 200 watts lang yata pero ok na rin if compared sa polk 110 saka kung d ka naman malakas magsound sa movie. pero kung polk better ang polk 660wi vs psw125 though 25k price kc malakas amp nya.
better audition all kung ano maganda sa taste mo and trust ur instinct..pag movies spend more on center and sub.
weakness sa planned setup mo ang pioneer 531 kc floorstander gamit mo bka mahirapan cya ipower 5 speakers wid fs as ur left & right. remedy is wag u masyado lakasan volume.

San yan avail ang pb2000 sir @41k kung hindi na hifi show...


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Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 13, 2016 at 11:12 PM
FS are generally more efficient and has better extension than BS of the same brand in the same line. That means more SPL and bass for the same amplifier power. I don't get it when people say FS would be harder to drive than their BS counterparts.

sir ok n b yung pioneer vsx531 na kukunin ko o may mas maganda na same price din
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: zram18 on Nov 13, 2016 at 11:20 PM
sa dusit hifi show lang un sir anlaki discount dun. 41k cash price nakasulat from 51k srp. pero 1 unit lang mismo ung pandemo nila. room ng soundconcept shop dw sa manila, balik na daw regular price monday. muntik ko nga bilhin un pinigilan ko lang sarili ko. hirap explain kay misis 41k sub saka anlaki bulky 20x21 yata.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Nov 13, 2016 at 11:45 PM
FS are generally more efficient and has better extension than BS of the same brand in the same line. That means more SPL and bass for the same amplifier power. I don't get it when people say FS would be harder to drive than their BS counterparts.
Usually napansin ko, higher sensitivity kapag FS compared to BS of the same series and model.

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Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 14, 2016 at 06:46 AM
anu kaya mas ok pioneer vsx531 bnew 14800
or yung onkyo 545 2nd hand 18k?
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: kaspog08 on Nov 14, 2016 at 08:01 AM
^kunin  mo sir yung midlevel na para upgrade proof..with passthrough, esep esep..wag mag madali :) :)
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: markcrenz on Nov 14, 2016 at 09:16 AM
anu kaya mas ok pioneer vsx531 bnew 14800
or yung onkyo 545 2nd hand 18k?
Mas maganda yung 2nd hand na pioneer vsx 1020, 10k lang neg p yata.  >:D
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: drhiredgun on Nov 14, 2016 at 12:28 PM
Mas maganda yung 2nd hand na pioneer vsx 1020, 10k lang neg p yata.  >:D

Sir Mark, I was quite surprised by the Pioneer VSX-D1S you sold me before. Paired it with Tannoy Fusion Floor standers...and wow! Would highly recommend Pioneers...
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: Pipo_1925 on Nov 14, 2016 at 01:38 PM
Mas maganda yung 2nd hand na pioneer vsx 1020, 10k lang neg p yata.  >:D

+1
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 14, 2016 at 05:07 PM
kanina ko pa hinahanap yung pioneer vsx 1023
hindi ko makita.at hindi ba mas maganda kung pang 4k n bilhin ko na receiver?
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: zram18 on Nov 14, 2016 at 08:20 PM
para sa akin minimum receiver dapat 4k na who knows puro 4k na in d future like hd today. tapos my bluetooth saka hdmi with arc para sa regular tv shows. but thats me.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 14, 2016 at 09:16 PM
para sa akin minimum receiver dapat 4k na who knows puro 4k na in d future like hd today. tapos my bluetooth saka hdmi with arc para sa regular tv shows. but thats me.

e2 rin balak ko.pde yung pioneer vsx531 14800 na bnew at may warranty pa or dn sa mp na 2nd hand na onkyo 545 17k

wla ba dyan maguupgrade ng svs subwoofer nila?yung mababa lang price.pm lng
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 15, 2016 at 07:02 AM
at kng mag bookshelf speaker ko pwede ba siya ilagay s av rack kaysa mag stand?
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Nov 15, 2016 at 07:30 AM
at kng mag bookshelf speaker ko pwede ba siya ilagay s av rack kaysa mag stand?

Pwede naman kung sa pwede but you have to put it sa edge ng AV rack to avoid reflections from the platform of the rack.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: comet on Nov 15, 2016 at 07:33 AM
Sir I recommend the following:
Denon x520BT receiver
PSB Alpha T1 floorstander
PSB XC imagine center
B&W in ceiling speaker
SVS PB1000 subwoofer

Kung kulang budget mo, Ihuli mo na yung surrounds mo.  Kung ako lang, uunahin ko ng budgetan ang SVS.  Dyan mo mafeel na may home theater ka. Pm mo si MikeC for the pricing.

Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: markcrenz on Nov 15, 2016 at 07:58 AM
Pwede naman kung sa pwede but you have to put it sa edge ng AV rack to avoid reflections from the platform of the rack.
... and the rack has to be rigid enough to handle the weight and vibrations.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 15, 2016 at 09:34 AM
mas maganda siguro kung nakahiwalay ang BS, pero kung problema ang stands, mag FS ka na kasi. :)

Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: bongchillog on Nov 15, 2016 at 09:35 AM
sa dusit hifi show lang un sir anlaki discount dun. 41k cash price nakasulat from 51k srp. pero 1 unit lang mismo ung pandemo nila. room ng soundconcept shop dw sa manila, balik na daw regular price monday. muntik ko nga bilhin un pinigilan ko lang sarili ko. hirap explain kay misis 41k sub saka anlaki bulky 20x21 yata.


Ah soundconcept parang eto ang official distributor ng svs nakalagay sa svs site. Kaya nila ibigay yan kahit hindi hifi show.


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Post by: praktikal on Nov 15, 2016 at 11:29 AM
Magkano ba ang price difference ng BS sa FS at magkano naman ang stand? Btw, ang stand hindi tumutunog. ;)
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: markcrenz on Nov 15, 2016 at 01:34 PM
mas maganda siguro kung nakahiwalay ang BS, pero kung problema ang stands, mag FS ka na kasi. :)


mahihirapan daw kasi ang amp pag FS.  :P
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: markcrenz on Nov 15, 2016 at 01:41 PM

Ah soundconcept parang eto ang official distributor ng svs nakalagay sa svs site. Kaya nila ibigay yan kahit hindi hifi show.


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Alam ko si mikec http://www.mkcinternational.com/ official SVS distro sa Phils while Soundconcept carries Velodyne subs. Pero kung 2 na sila distributor, mas maganda for customers, may competition.

edit: ayun nga! https://www.svsound.com/pages/international-dealers
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 15, 2016 at 03:38 PM
mahihirapan daw kasi ang amp pag FS.  :P

:D

Mas maganda pa nga kakalabasan nun overall kung FS gagamitin eh. Efficiency, low end response, plus no need na ng stands.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 15, 2016 at 04:29 PM
mahal yata yung psb alpha t1.ok na siguro yung diamond 230.yung mga speaker cable kaylangan ko ba bumili or may kasama na at ok na ba yun?
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: shoktongxxx on Nov 15, 2016 at 04:31 PM
try mo mag A-audio baka sakali nandun hanap mo :)
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: Pipo_1925 on Nov 15, 2016 at 05:16 PM
mahal yata yung psb alpha t1.ok na siguro yung diamond 230.yung mga speaker cable kaylangan ko ba bumili or may kasama na at ok na ba yun?

bili ka ng speaker cable kay Sir Philip (Anya) monoprice ang brand
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: mhacman on Nov 15, 2016 at 05:32 PM
with your 60K, you could wait for good speakers become available at our MP section -- wait wait ka lang.  don't rush..

for the amp, either maka-tyempo ka ng magandang updated amp na mura, or buy it bnew with warranty.

pwede naman chop-chop muna: amp + BS/FS + sub.  then follow-up with your center. then surrounds will be last.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 15, 2016 at 05:33 PM
anung kaylangan ko bilhin na speaker cable?sabihin ko pang fs at sub lng ba?wla ba specific na tawag dun?monoprice ba dapat kong targetin na brand para hindi kamahalan pero maganda?
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: praktikal on Nov 15, 2016 at 06:46 PM
Don't spend too much on speaker cable. Yung sakto lang. Gamit ko yung tig 35/m lang sa Raon. Lalo pa at more on movies ka.

Swerte mo kasi hindi "trained" ang mga tenga mo. Ayos yan. Wag kang masyadong mag rely sa iba na may trained ears hehehe.... Ikaw ang gagamit hindi kami. Isama mo family mo minsan sa pag audition mo para may input din sila.

Nakapasyal ka na ba sa MCS?
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 15, 2016 at 07:52 PM
san yung mcs?puro around glorieta nagtagal ako spectra.bka this week listening room megamall punta ko
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: praktikal on Nov 15, 2016 at 08:18 PM
Makati Cinema Square.
Title: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: comet on Nov 15, 2016 at 08:19 PM
mas mura ang psb alpha t1 kesa sa price indicated for wharefdale 230. audition ka sa mga audio stores, like watt hifi mcs
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Post by: shoktongxxx on Nov 15, 2016 at 08:29 PM
oo try mo mag audition bago ka bumili. :)
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 15, 2016 at 09:23 PM
sarado n yung nag bebenta ng psb alpha t1.hindi ko tuloy matanung price.bukas siguro.ang concern ko hindi ba masyo ng luma technology nya 2006 pa ata na series eto samantalang yung diamond 230 nasa 2014 or 2015 ata.

sa pagbabasa ko ang hinahanap ko siguro yung warm na sinasabi nila na hindi nakakapagod kapag nakinig pero hindi masyado boomy na parang hindi mo na maintindihan.

kaso ng magaudition ako hindi ko makita pinagkaiba ng polk at wharfedale.kaya basa basa na lng sa mga pros dito.or masyado akong mabilis nagudition at wala ko dala music at movies lang dala ko.hehehe

upgrade na kayo svs benta nyo na lng sa akin svs nyo ng maganda presyo.hehehe

salamat po mga master
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 15, 2016 at 09:30 PM
Don't spend too much on speaker cable. Yung sakto lang. Gamit ko yung tig 35/m lang sa Raon. Lalo pa at more on movies ka.

Swerte mo kasi hindi "trained" ang mga tenga mo. Ayos yan. Wag kang masyadong mag rely sa iba na may trained ears hehehe.... Ikaw ang gagamit hindi kami. Isama mo family mo minsan sa pag audition mo para may input din sila.

Nakapasyal ka na ba sa MCS?

bago ko bilhin papakingan ko mna ng masinsinan iniisaisa ko lng yung mga hindi na pede sa option ko.

maraming salamat sa input mo sir
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: praktikal on Nov 15, 2016 at 09:37 PM
Lawakan mo pa choices mo. Naka try ka na ba ng AAudio speakers? Sked ka ng audition kay Anthony. Teka active pa ba si Anthony dito? Gumagawa pa ba sya ng speakers?
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 15, 2016 at 09:59 PM
Lawakan mo pa choices mo. Naka try ka na ba ng AAudio speakers? Sked ka ng audition kay Anthony. Teka active pa ba si Anthony dito? Gumagawa pa ba sya ng speakers?

stop production na sila.pang pro ata ang line up na ilalabas ata nila
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: praktikal on Nov 15, 2016 at 10:22 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 15, 2016 at 10:45 PM
e kung taga tav 606 v.3 na 5.0 at svs subwoofer.ok ba etong taga na eto?bka may nakarinig na dito mga master
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: mbtorn on Nov 15, 2016 at 11:48 PM
Audition lang ng audition. Wag ka mag madali. Ikaw lang makakapagsabi kung anong sound ang gusto mo. For timbre matching, better kung one brand lang speakers mo, ung sub kahit ano brand puede pero madami kaming gusto ang svs.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: bongchillog on Nov 16, 2016 at 12:25 AM
anung kaylangan ko bilhin na speaker cable?sabihin ko pang fs at sub lng ba?wla ba specific na tawag dun?monoprice ba dapat kong targetin na brand para hindi kamahalan pero maganda?


Buy ka ng 100ft monoprice 12awg kay sir anya. Posted sa mp...


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Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 16, 2016 at 12:02 PM
anyone heard the taga tav 606?is it better than the pioneer selling at appliance store?more on movies naman ako.kapag eto kasi pwede na ko makabili bnew na svs sub
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: praktikal on Nov 16, 2016 at 12:57 PM
Meron palang ganung brand? Di naman ba taga ang presyo? Good looking sfekers.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: mhacman on Nov 16, 2016 at 01:25 PM
TAGA Harmony TAV-606 v.3 set as 5.0, sir.. sold by Decibel Audio.  Meron din yata kay Tein.

=))
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 16, 2016 at 02:22 PM
Meron palang ganung brand? Di naman ba taga ang presyo? Good looking sfekers.

+1. Ako din now ko lang na discover. Pogi, hope to hear one in the future.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: vgsison on Nov 16, 2016 at 07:44 PM
For svs subs and speakers, tried and tested si mikec. I will only buy svs from him.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: Pipo_1925 on Nov 17, 2016 at 01:17 AM
May ok na marantz sa marketplace. 19k
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 17, 2016 at 08:36 PM
gusto ko sna yung may hdcp 2.2 which is yung pioneer 531 or dapat ba tingin ako ibang option.ang nkita ko pdebyung 2nd hand na marantz ska yung isa na nagbebenta ng onkyo 545 or 636 o kaya yung vsx1123 o kaya yamaha 673.kung ang budget pde isagad ng 20k anu mganda bilhin?
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: dodie on Nov 18, 2016 at 12:56 AM
Makati Cinema Square.

tama. punta ka mcs. hanap mo si rex o si amiel sa watthifi....sabihin mo budget mo at specs na gusto mo...sesetupan ka nila sa tindahan. instant audition agad... tapos kain ka sa aidas sa taas, masarap yung chiken inasal doon.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: Pipo_1925 on Nov 18, 2016 at 01:33 AM
gusto ko sna yung may hdcp 2.2 which is yung pioneer 531 or dapat ba tingin ako ibang option.ang nkita ko pdebyung 2nd hand na marantz ska yung isa na nagbebenta ng onkyo 545 or 636 o kaya yung vsx1123 o kaya yamaha 673.kung ang budget pde isagad ng 20k anu mganda bilhin?

Dun ako sa marantz
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 18, 2016 at 08:29 PM
anu pinaka mura na may hdcp2.2 na 7.1 na receiver?at saan(bnew)
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: Kakashi03 on Nov 18, 2016 at 08:47 PM
anu pinaka mura na may hdcp2.2 na 7.1 na receiver?at saan(bnew)


Kulang ang 20k mo bro sa brande new usually entry level lang makukuha mo or kulang pa 20k sa entry level
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: praktikal on Nov 18, 2016 at 10:32 PM
Kung masipag ka lang mag abang, ito sana:

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,210285.msg2464203.html#new

Kaso I doubt kung papakawalan pa ng nakapila. Sayang!
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: shoktongxxx on Nov 18, 2016 at 11:56 PM
Kung masipag ka lang mag abang, ito sana:

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,210285.msg2464203.html#new

Kaso I doubt kung papakawalan pa ng nakapila. Sayang!
sold na ata yan hief. :)
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: Kakashi03 on Nov 19, 2016 at 07:52 AM
Kay sir markrenz may pioneer 1020 that's a good reciever 10k lang ata
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 21, 2016 at 06:24 PM
galing ako sa megamall kahapon pra pakingan yung wharf 200 series na set at pioneer vsx531.impression was parang mahina yung dating even if yung volume is nasa 50 na.nung 65 medyo pwede na at ngkaron n ng dating.

nung bumaba ako sa appliance center sakto may parehas na receiver pioneer 531 ulit.pinatry ko yung todoroki yung 40 na volume parang katumbas na yung 65 sa taas.

pagdating ko sa bahay naisip ko yung sa db na setting sa receiver. tinawagan ko yung sa wharf at
ko kung ilang db naka set.naka set daw ng 0 at hang plus 12 daw yun kaya pwede lumakas.

naisip ko bka naka taas lang yung db sa baba kaya mas malakas yung speaker nila.

question ko ay ok lng ba tinataas yung sensitivity ng receiver?may mawawala ba kapag inalis sa zero

yun ba yung tinatawag sa wharfedale na mahirap idrive?

tumawag din ako sa ibang shop ang sabi sa akin daw dapat onkyo 747 daw amp ang kunin ko.under wattage daw yung amplifier na yun para sa wharf 230

nagdala pala ko ng media player and hard drive.

input naman mga master
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: shoktongxxx on Nov 21, 2016 at 06:34 PM
pagkuha ka speaker consider mo sensitivity ng speaker, 90db pataas dapat para di hirap ang amp.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Nov 21, 2016 at 06:44 PM
galing ako sa megamall kahapon pra pakingan yung wharf 200 series na set at pioneer vsx531.impression was parang mahina yung dating even if yung volume is nasa 50 na.nung 65 medyo pwede na at ngkaron n ng dating.

nung bumaba ako sa appliance center sakto may parehas na receiver pioneer 531 ulit.pinatry ko yung todoroki yung 40 na volume parang katumbas na yung 65 sa taas.

pagdating ko sa bahay naisip ko yung sa db na setting sa receiver. tinawagan ko yung sa wharf at
ko kung ilang db naka set.naka set daw ng 0 at hang plus 12 daw yun kaya pwede lumakas.

naisip ko bka naka taas lang yung db sa baba kaya mas malakas yung speaker nila.

question ko ay ok lng ba tinataas yung sensitivity ng receiver?may mawawala ba kapag inalis sa zero

yun ba yung tinatawag sa wharfedale na mahirap idrive?

tumawag din ako sa ibang shop ang sabi sa akin daw dapat onkyo 747 daw amp ang kunin ko.under wattage daw yung amplifier na yun para sa wharf 230

nagdala pala ko ng media player and hard drive.

input naman mga master
Mahabang explanation yan sir. Relative 0 db. Hehe!
Before you dive into that, check na specs of amp and speaker muna. Then listen to it at your volume preference. Kung match ang specs and ayos ang tunog for you at your preferred volume, okay na din yan.

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Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 21, 2016 at 08:38 PM
kapag kayo ba sir nagcacalibrate ng fs nyo sir tinataas nyo 0db to +1db hangang 3db?
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: mbtorn on Nov 21, 2016 at 08:43 PM
kapag kayo ba sir nagcacalibrate ng fs nyo sir tinataas nyo 0db to +1db hangang 3db?

gamit ka ng SPL meter...using your avr for calibration, run pink noise over your speakers to get a uniform 75db for all your speakers.. adjust as necessary
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 21, 2016 at 09:44 PM
gamit ka ng SPL meter...using your avr for calibration, run pink noise over your speakers to get a uniform 75db for all your speakers.. adjust as necessary

so ibig ba sabihin sir ok lng na umabot let say +4db yung isang speaker tpos yung iba nka 0.bsta pareparehas sila sa spl na 75.

prang oo nga hindi naman pwede na zero lahat kasi magaadjust sya.kaso ang pagkakadinig ko sa 0db ay mahina masyado kahit nasa 40 na sya so ibig sabihin bka umabot sya sa 5db bago ko maramdaman yung maayos na tunog sa 40
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 21, 2016 at 09:48 PM
pwede rin po ba makitingin ang set up configuration nyo kahit yung speaker distance at yung level din ng sensitivity

kapag may time na lang mga sir
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Nov 21, 2016 at 10:07 PM
pwede rin po ba makitingin ang set up configuration nyo kahit yung speaker distance at yung level din ng sensitivity

kapag may time na lang mga sir

Sir yun speakers distance is relative to your seating position and the speakers. Its not something that you copy from others kasi iba iba ng distance.

Re "level of sensitivity", I think your receiver has its own pink noise. All you have to do is to play them and adjust the "loudness. Even without an SPL meter, you have your ears naman to tell you if its louder than the other. If the system starts at front left speaker, then use that as a reference for "loudness". Compare it with the center and all the speakers. Kailangan sa start they have equal "loudness". Then after a few movies or so, adjust according to your preference.
Plus may auto calibration naman ang most receivers so if your not adept to the functions, let the auto calibration do it's job and enjoy your system.

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Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: praktikal on Nov 21, 2016 at 10:27 PM
Mabuti siguro targetin mo na muna ang amp then habang wala pa syo basahin mo ang manual ahead. Importante ang calibration mic in case used ang mabili mo. Mahirap yung manghihiram ka lang dahil for sure panay ang kalikot mo.

Hayaan mo lang mag auto calibrate. Maraming ref. sa net. Kung may mahiram kang SPL meter the better but kung wala naman oks lang yan.

Don't forget your acoustics but pwedeng saka na yan. Again, madami ding ref. sa net about that.

9ft apart for your mains and sweetspot is ideal. I find having the center speaker above the screen/TV better dahil mas malapit sa taas ang ulo ng nagsasalita. Pwede namang to follow na lang muna ang surround ang importante maka 3.1 ka. That way malagyan mo ng magandang budget ang mains. Iwas SARS na rin yan. Kasi kung pagkasyahin mo ang budget mo ngayon for 5.1 o 7.1 baka mapilitan ka lang tyagain ang kasya then later once ipost mo na ang gears mo at maraming pumuri at lalawak na rin ang kaalaman mo dahil lagi kang naka tambay sa PDVD, mangangati kang mag upgrade sooner than you think.

Once ma hook ka dito, yari ka! Hehehe... Unless, after mo mag setup goodbye PDVD agad agad which I doubt haha!

Don't rush. Lapit na December (magkasalungat ata hehe).

Saan ba area mo?
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 21, 2016 at 10:58 PM
nova qc.yung budget ko as in matagal bago ako magupgrade.actually gsto ko lng makita kung normal ba yung front l&r at center ay pwedeng itaas yung 0db?yung surround kasi ok na sya ss 0db.syempre iba pa rin kapag nasa bahay na.ang kinakabahala ko lang ay kpag binili ko yung vsx531 at wharf na set ay paguwi ko ay hindi ko pla pwede taasan yung 0db dahil baka masira speaker or sagad na yung 0db sa front l&r center(mahina kasi para sa akin yung 0db na pang test nila).dapat pala kinalikot ko na yung receiver habang andun.hindi ko rin nakita kung ilang ft yung naka set up.or worst case ang max nya is 0db at pwede lang pahina.kaya ang mangyayari bitin na talaga lakas nya at magsisi ako na sana ibang receiver na lng or ibang speaker na lng.wala din kasi oras magaudition lagi sobra busy at pinakamalapit ay 2hrs na byahe dahil sa trafik

ang kunyari sa tanung ko fronts 0db volume 40
spl 75.kung target ko maging spl 75 pero gusto ko volume nya is 20 lang pwede ko bang gawing +3db sya para maging +3db volume 20 na lang spl 75 pa rin para lumakas lahat.tapos yun ang magiging guide ko para may allowance pa ko sa volume.unlike dun nga sa pagdinig ko

0db daw yung fronts pero nsa 55 na at malapit na masagad sa 80 ay bitin pa rin

pwede ba syang gawin

+4db yung fronts para kahit 30 volume ay malakas na siya

example lang yung number kasi hindi ko madescribe nang maayos

halos kasi lahat ng napanood ko sa youtube at sinearch ko sa net puro -4.5 upto 0db lang yung fronts nila.wla ako nakita sa front na lumagpas ng 0db.kaya worried ako na baka  hangang dun lang capacity ng receiver at speaker dahil sa matching nila or baka sira yung receiver at hindi ko lng alam.

sorry sa mahabang post
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: Pipo_1925 on Nov 22, 2016 at 01:12 AM
Malaki ba yung room niyo sir? Malakas na kasi yung volume na 50 lalo na pag dts yung output niya
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: mbtorn on Nov 22, 2016 at 01:46 AM
yung 0db kasi reference level na yan, sobrang lakas na yan...
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 22, 2016 at 06:42 AM
yung 0db kasi reference level na yan, sobrang lakas na yan...

d ko rin nakita e baka naman nung tinest e hindi 0 db.kaya ako nalilito
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: rochie on Nov 22, 2016 at 07:15 AM
Kung wala kang spl meter meron mga apps for android and iphone na pwede mong ma download. Para di ka mahirapan sir auto calibrate mo na lang tapos saka ka na lang mag adjust or mag tweak pero most of the time sakto naman ang result ng auto calibration based on my experience with pioneer and marantz receivers.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 22, 2016 at 08:43 PM
nakita ko na yung setting 0db sya na pwede hangang plus 12db ata.

anu mas maganda bnew na pioneer vsx531 14800 or 2nd hand na onkyo 545- 17k;636 -16k 110v din

and sa elac b6 and wharf 230 kaya?
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: markcrenz on Nov 23, 2016 at 08:04 AM
If and only if limited lang talaga sa 3 receivers na yan, I'd pick the 636. 531 would be my last choice. Never liked the sound and features of entry level receivers with their wimpy power supplies, ever.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: zram18 on Nov 23, 2016 at 12:37 PM
for me, i prefer to buy the following audio gears:
   receiver-as brand new
   front,center, surrounds speakers-as second/third hand
   subwoofer-as second hand

my reason is that generally, receivers have shorter lifespan than speakers and sub, being a mere electronic item (baka may issues na mabili mo hence no peace of mind kasi mahal magpaayos ng receiver.)

im not comfortable though with entry level receivers like pioneer 531 because of weak power. pioneer 930 is way better if you can allocate a bit more of your budget, or onkyo 737.

kung walang issues/sira, i chose onkyo 545 over 636 mainly because its a bit newer generation than 636 (656 na ngayon and 555).
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 23, 2016 at 01:23 PM
mga magkanu dapat ang iallot ko sir para sa receiver baka mastrecth ko pa konti?magkanu din yung pioneer 930 kaya
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Post by: mhacman on Nov 23, 2016 at 02:47 PM
sir, iirc Php60K budget mo.  kayang ma-stretch to 7.1 ATMOS/DST:X set-up yan...

- brand-new ONKYO HTIB HT-S7800  -- find and wait for a local distributor to sell this here

- brand-new Onkyo 555 or brand-new Denon X1300W or Yamaha (pardon but these are way better with the Pio you're opting)
- look for 2nd-hand speakers and sub

balik ka sa megamall, sa glorietta or sa MCS or ask our kind PDVD gentlemen here who owns a shop posting their lots in MP =))  PM mo sila lahat and ask to help you with your dilemma =))

wag magmadali sir...
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 24, 2016 at 11:28 AM
kung sakaling mag bookshelf ako pwede ba sya ilagay sa av rack?planning to audition the elac b6 kapalit ng wharf 230.hindi kasi pwede sa stand dahil may mga chikiting na sgrado makakatama.kaya balak ko fs para hindi ganun kadali bumagsak
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: comet on Nov 24, 2016 at 12:12 PM
Sir paggawa na lang kayo kay Sir Turbokiller ng stand  na may harang sa sides, front and back sa top plate para di mapatid.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 24, 2016 at 09:04 PM
san ba meron na mura at magandang 14guage na wire para sa surrounds
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: shoktongxxx on Nov 24, 2016 at 09:23 PM
san ba meron na mura at magandang 14guage na wire para sa surrounds
PM mo si paolorenzo dito sa PDVD. ;)
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,95498.900.html
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: Pipo_1925 on Nov 24, 2016 at 11:19 PM
12 gauge mo na lahat
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 25, 2016 at 08:54 AM
yung onkyo444 ba matatawag na mid level receiver na?beside sa 7.1 nya may difference ba sya sa pioneer vsx531?balak ko magpalit ng receiver na bibilhin
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Post by: zram18 on Nov 25, 2016 at 12:16 PM
nop, it's entry level receiver na 7.1

onkyo 444 is almost the same as onkyo 343 with even the same wattage and almost the same features, except that instead of 5.1 eh 7.1 cya.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 25, 2016 at 02:37 PM
nop, it's entry level receiver na 7.1

onkyo 444 is almost the same as onkyo 343 with even the same wattage and almost the same features, except that instead of 5.1 eh 7.1 cya.
anu pinkamurang mid level na receiver na bnew ngayon sa market?
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: mbtorn on Nov 25, 2016 at 03:20 PM
anu pinkamurang mid level na receiver na bnew ngayon sa market?

http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,98784.0.html
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 25, 2016 at 03:31 PM
yumg bnew sana.pero bka ituloy ko n lng sa original plan ko.kulang din sa budget e.kukuha na rin kasi ko ng bnew na pb1000
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: shoktongxxx on Nov 25, 2016 at 06:27 PM
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,98784.0.html
+1.. :)
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Post by: praktikal on Nov 25, 2016 at 08:10 PM
Ok yung Onkyo Tx Nr636 @ 16k ah.
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Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 26, 2016 at 08:08 AM
yung onkyo 636 ba mid level na?


kulang ba talaga sa power yung vsx531 140watts
80 watts per channel

ilan ba yung sa onkyo 636?

at anu ba tinginan para masabi  na maganda yung receiver?
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: praktikal on Nov 26, 2016 at 10:23 AM
95w @ 8ohms pala yang 636. Onkyo is known sa paggamit ng 6ohms sa specs kaya sa unang tingin malakas. Pasked ka ng audition sa mga shops. Try all gears your money can buy. Ok sa Watt hifi sa MCS. Tawagan mo muna kung meron sila ng hanap mo. Don't rush para iwas panghinayang. Lapit na Pasko. 😜
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 26, 2016 at 10:57 AM
wala na sir ako makita better value for money.last choice ko na lang pwede baguhin is front and center.the rest ok na.budget ko umabot 80k.kaso kung bookshelf ngtanung na ko gumagawa ng stand mga 6k kapag solid pra medyo child proof.

tanung ko na lang mga sir sa cable na lang.nkausap ko na si anya at pao.nghahanap lang ako iba option kung anu bibilhin ko cable pra sa lahat ng speaker at sa svs subwoofer(siningit ko sa budget dahil more on movies talaga ako)

bali yung mga speaker wire at sub cable sana na mura pero hindi naman panget at kung saan na rin mismo?
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: ramsey on Nov 26, 2016 at 03:39 PM
Kung svs sub, one time napunta ako megamall Listening Room or Listening in Style ba yun? Dealer na rin sila ng SVS kasi may catalog sila. Order basis yata. AVShop may SVS din.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: shoktongxxx on Nov 26, 2016 at 04:47 PM
Kung svs sub, one time napunta ako megamall Listening Room or Listening in Style ba yun? Dealer na rin sila ng SVS kasi may catalog sila. Order basis yata. AVShop may SVS din.
yup! kay AVShop meron narin SVS.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: zram18 on Nov 26, 2016 at 06:42 PM
recommend ko av shop sa mly kalayaan tabi qc city hall 20% discount wharfedales pero order ka muna 1 day before. kanina lang me bumili wharfe 220 c center saka wharfe dfs. svs pb1000 20% discount din na audition ko kanina.look for james.
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Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 26, 2016 at 06:44 PM
mcs yata yun sa may bandang balintawak.sa kanila 3yrs warranty.

yung mga wires na lang mga sir at sub cable.yung budget ko kasi pang wharf na lng at entry level nasagad ko na sa sub.ngstretch nga lang sa 80k aabutin ko.

Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 26, 2016 at 06:45 PM
recommend ko av shop sa mly kalayaan tabi qc city hall 20% discount wharfedales pero order ka muna 1 day before. kanina lang me bumili wharfe 220 c center saka wharfe dfs. svs pb1000 20% discount din na audition ko kanina.look for james.

sir sa lahat?ayos eto
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: zram18 on Nov 26, 2016 at 06:57 PM
yap,wharfedales at svs 20% discount dun ka order d following day pa makuha. pero wala cla pioneer receiver. onkyo emotiva marantz receiver nila kaya pag pioneer sa listening room ka. speaker wires sa toyama west ave me kumuha 95 pesos per meter maganda na.may mas mura 65/meter pero ung tig 95 binili ko.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: Onkyo606 on Nov 26, 2016 at 08:53 PM
mcs yata yun sa may bandang balintawak.sa kanila 3yrs warranty.

yung mga wires na lang mga sir at sub cable.yung budget ko kasi pang wharf na lng at entry level nasagad ko na sa sub.ngstretch nga lang sa 80k aabutin ko.
the 3 years warranty would matter a lot pag dating sa electronics. the longer the warranty coverage is the better. 20 percent discount for svs is quite huge and if it comes with 3 years warranty panalo yun.

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Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 26, 2016 at 08:57 PM
wala nga lang 20% discount.wla naman sirain na pb1000 noh.wla naman ko nabalitaan
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: zram18 on Nov 26, 2016 at 09:13 PM
sori 15% pala discount nila sa svs. pero halos lahat ng items nila 20%.
i also auditioned their golden ear triton worth 155k pesos..although i cant afford that. hehe
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 26, 2016 at 10:37 PM
may maganda ba na tannoy sa westernappliance?may mapagkukuhaan kasi ako ng one time discount na maganda pero hindi ko pa alam kung mgkanu.ang alam ko lang may tannoy dun pero hindi ko alam model.ang alam ko lang e.yyng pioneer srs88tb.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: shoktongxxx on Nov 26, 2016 at 11:31 PM
wow 20% discount? panalo yun. :)
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: mhacman on Nov 29, 2016 at 05:45 PM
mcs yata yun sa may bandang balintawak.sa kanila 3yrs warranty.

yung mga wires na lang mga sir at sub cable.yung budget ko kasi pang wharf na lng at entry level nasagad ko na sa sub.ngstretch nga lang sa 80k aabutin ko.



is this still a 5.1 set-up?  aabot na sa 80K because of the brand new SVS?  which AVR have you chosen now?

also, go for the better cables like anya's and paolorenzo's.  perhaps for your surrounds only will you go for the cheaper P65/meter wires or lower.  but for the fronts, center & sub, allocate funds for them.
 
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 30, 2016 at 12:05 PM
ayaw nu misis sa second hand na.gusto nya bnew.so pb1000 na bnew na sure kukunin ko.yung 5.0 na lang.tpos yung wire monoprice ni anya na 12 gauge.

yung amp leaning on pioneer vsx531
yung 5.0 may pampagulo mukhang may makukuha ako na malaking discount sa tannoy.
yung psb alpha pwede din

narinig ko na yung elac b6.maganda pero problem ko stand na childproof.

puro bnew na balak ko so kaylangan pagkasyahin mabuti 80k.kasama na wire.sagad na 80k yun lang may go signal kay wifey at ang condition nya bnew lang
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Post by: mbtorn on Nov 30, 2016 at 12:23 PM
ayaw nu misis sa second hand na.gusto nya bnew.so pb1000 na bnew na sure kukunin ko.yung 5.0 na lang.tpos yung wire monoprice ni anya na 12 gauge.

yung amp leaning on pioneer vsx531
yung 5.0 may pampagulo mukhang may makukuha ako na malaking discount sa tannoy.
yung psb alpha pwede din

narinig ko na yung elac b6.maganda pero problem ko stand na childproof.

puro bnew na balak ko so kaylangan pagkasyahin mabuti 80k.kasama na wire.sagad na 80k yun lang may go signal kay wifey at ang condition nya bnew lang

oh well, who wants to argue with our wives ;D
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Nov 30, 2016 at 12:46 PM
happy wife happy life.pero salamat sa mga payo nyo.pinakita ko rin kay wifey mga comments nyo
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Post by: praktikal on Nov 30, 2016 at 01:26 PM
Iba nga naman pag bago.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 30, 2016 at 04:54 PM
oh well, who wants to argue with our wives ;D

No one. None that I know of. ;D

But, instead of arguing, you can always negotiate for more funds. >:D

Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: praktikal on Nov 30, 2016 at 05:26 PM
No one. None that I know of. ;D

But, instead of arguing, you can always negotiate for more funds. >:D


Lalo na kung best buy mula sa mga mapagkakatiwalaang members ng Pdvd, ano ha Master J? Teka, di ba lifetime warranty ang svs from Mike?
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Post by: Onkyo606 on Nov 30, 2016 at 05:32 PM
Lalo na kung best buy mula sa mga mapagkakatiwalaang members ng Pdvd, ano ha Master J? Teka, di ba lifetime warranty ang svs from Mike?
wala namang lifetime warranty. 3 years ang alam ko.

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Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: praktikal on Nov 30, 2016 at 05:37 PM
wala namang lifetime warranty. 3 years ang alam ko.

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Tinkyow!
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: JojoD818 on Nov 30, 2016 at 05:41 PM
Lalo na kung best buy mula sa mga mapagkakatiwalaang members ng Pdvd, ano ha Master J? Teka, di ba lifetime warranty ang svs from Mike?


Oo naman, lalu na pag alam mo na kung ano yun gusto mo, mahirap lang sa umpisa mag decide.

Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: mbtorn on Nov 30, 2016 at 06:02 PM
No one. None that I know of. ;D

But, instead of arguing, you can always negotiate for more funds. >:D



+100 Oo nga naman ;D
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: shoktongxxx on Nov 30, 2016 at 08:58 PM
oh well, who wants to argue with our wives ;D
hahaha.. ;D
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: praktikal on Dec 01, 2016 at 09:26 AM
Swerte mo nga at supportive si wifey samantala ang iba tipid sa budget kaya sa preowned ang uwi pero wag ka ha kasi ang daming abangerz ng preowned na 'ginto' dito at may sulutan pa!

Lakasan lang talaga ng loob at sanayan. Ang onkyo 805 ko sa Bacolod pa galing at ang Dared mp5 at Velo15 sa Tacloban naman 3rd owner na ako pero til now oks na oks lahat. Teka, almost 80-90% pala ng gears ko preowned hehe... Ang isang nagkaproblema lang ako ay ang Nad Integ pero naayos ko with a simple hinang lang... Just sharing.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 01, 2016 at 11:38 AM
simple lang naman ang solution diyan pag hindi supportive ang wife...

downgrade yourself or upgrade your wife...

Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 01, 2016 at 08:44 PM
supportive si wife no need to upgrade.yung budget na pumayag sya kahit ako namamahalan na.matagal kong pinagisipan mga bibilhin ko dahil one time bilihan lng ito.may mas priority akong iba.kapag yumaman ako saka na lng ako mgreresearch at bibili ng pang mid to high end na ht.salamat sa mga taong napagtanungan ko at ngpayo ng kanilang expert na opinion.may ibang mabait may ibang mayabang.hehehe

alam nyo naman kung sino kayo.sa mga mabait pm na lng ko mga sir kapag may tanung pa ko.sana hindi kayo magsawa sa  pagbabahagi ng inyong nalalaman
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Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 01, 2016 at 08:47 PM
@praktikal. swerte mo naman

mahina loob ko wala na akong pangpaayos or pangbili.hehehe

peace of mind na lang habol ko kahit 1yr lang.upgrade naman eto sa pinagalingan ko n htib na sony
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 01, 2016 at 09:07 PM
supportive si wife no need to upgrade.yung budget na pumayag sya kahit ako namamahalan na.matagal kong pinagisipan mga bibilhin ko dahil one time bilihan lng ito.may mas priority akong iba.kapag yumaman ako saka na lng ako mgreresearch at bibili ng pang mid to high end na ht.salamat sa mga taong napagtanungan ko at ngpayo ng kanilang expert na opinion.may ibang mabait may ibang mayabang.hehehe

alam nyo naman kung sino kayo.sa mga mabait pm na lng ko mga sir kapag may tanung pa ko.sana hindi kayo magsawa sa  pagbabahagi ng inyong nalalaman


ayos... makakabuo ka na niyan congrats
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 02, 2016 at 08:53 PM
another question again.kaylangan ba ng auto voltage regulator for av receiver and sub?

will be using sana extension chord na wala ata fuse but with on and off switch na nagkukulay read kapag naka on
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: zram18 on Dec 02, 2016 at 09:11 PM
for peace of mind u better use voltage regulator for ur audio gears kahit yung mura lang.

madalas kc magfluctuate kuryente natin.

ako i use akari brand 2k pesos lang sa ace hardware during d megamall sale.1000output watts servomotor nakasulat.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 02, 2016 at 10:03 PM
pwede na ba samasama na doon tv receiver at sub?
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: bongchillog on Dec 02, 2016 at 10:19 PM
Goldsource avr sa raon ok na ok na... Mura lang at least 1500 watts.


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Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: praktikal on Dec 02, 2016 at 10:27 PM
pwede na ba samasama na doon tv receiver at sub?

Check mo ang load. Wag mo isagad, laging maglagay ng allowance. Yung iba gumagamit pa ng line conditioner. Ang sub ko sa Panther surge protector lang nakasaksak.
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Post by: Onkyo606 on Dec 02, 2016 at 10:45 PM
pwede na ba samasama na doon tv receiver at sub?
there is a thread that will guide you sa pag bili ng tamang voltage regulator and how to compute capacity. ang safe consideration na sinasabi eh use 60 % lang ng actual capacity. may ampere rating yung equipment na makikita sa likod just multiply that sa voltage yung lalabas yung wattage na. so kung 220 volts at 2 amps 440 va na sya. yung pb1000 baka less thant800 yan. check mo ratings sa likod.

madaming members ang di gumagamit ng voltage regulators so far wala naman naging issue sa gamit nila pero meron ding nagkaka issue. mas marami ang gumagamit ng voltage regulator sa palagay ko. may seller dito ng regulators na maganda ang presyo si dfa dar ang name nya. nag deliver sya ng malapit sa manila. samwon at goldsource ang pinakamabenta nya.

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Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 02, 2016 at 10:49 PM
Check mo ang load. Wag mo isagad, laging maglagay ng allowance. Yung iba gumagamit pa ng line conditioner. Ang sub ko sa Panther surge protector lang nakasaksak.
mga magkanu yan at san nakakabili?
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Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 02, 2016 at 10:51 PM
@onkyo606 kapag bumili ako ng lagpas.pwede na sya pagsamasamahin yung  tv avreceiver at sub?3 naman yung pwede pagsaksakan
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Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 02, 2016 at 10:53 PM
Goldsource avr sa raon ok na ok na... Mura lang at least 1500 watts.

yan ba gamit mo?at anu mga sinaksak mo dun yung tv receiver at sub na ba?
 

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Post by: praktikal on Dec 02, 2016 at 10:56 PM
mga magkanu yan at san nakakabili?

Yung Panther? Sa Ace, Handyman, etc. Nasa 350 up depende sa klase. Gamit ko yung apatan yata na may individual switch.
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Post by: bongchillog on Dec 02, 2016 at 10:58 PM
Goldsource avr sa raon ok na ok na... Mura lang at least 1500 watts.

yan ba gamit mo?at anu mga sinaksak mo dun yung tv receiver at sub na ba?


Stavol China mas mahal sya sa goldsource pero malamang pareho lang.
3000va, nakasaksak na lahat. Tv, media player, sub, cable box, extra amp, Receiver, harddrives etc.
110volts ang receiver ko. Sobra sobra pa yong 3000. Kung magdagdag ako pwde pa.


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Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 02, 2016 at 11:33 PM
meron na pla ko surge protector na akari.yun pla gamit ko.will check avr na lang.
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Post by: Pipo_1925 on Dec 02, 2016 at 11:34 PM
2k watts oks na voltage regulator sa gear mo
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Post by: Pipo_1925 on Dec 02, 2016 at 11:36 PM
Goldsource and akari ang alam kong mura na avr
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Post by: Onkyo606 on Dec 03, 2016 at 12:03 AM
@onkyo606 kapag bumili ako ng lagpas.pwede na sya pagsamasamahin yung  tv avreceiver at sub?3 naman yung pwede pagsaksakan
the only way na masasabi mong lagpas pag nag compute ka ng load. kung 3000 watts ang regulator base sa payo ng mga kaibigan ko in the know 60 percent ang dapat gamitin meaning 1800 watts lang ang safe gamitin. para malaman mo kung ano ang total wattage ng gamit mo dapat mo check yung ratings usually nasa likod  yan ng gamit. yung voltage multiply mo sa amperage. yung lalabas yun ang load mo. mahirap ang tantyahan at speculation sa kuryente. pero tulad ng sabi ko madami din ako nabasang members na ok naman ang experience sa walang regulator. para mas madali kang matulungan ng mga members post mo yung nakalagay sa likod ng gamit mo para matulungan ka mag compute.

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Post by: Onkyo606 on Dec 03, 2016 at 12:11 AM
meron na pla ko surge protector na akari.yun pla gamit ko.will check avr na lang.
by the way kapag 110 volts ang isaksak mo nahati into half ang capacity ng avr mo.

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Post by: shoktongxxx on Dec 03, 2016 at 12:24 AM
by the way kapag 110 volts ang isaksak mo nahati into half ang capacity ng avr mo.

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now ko lang nalaman ito so kung 1kw ang capacity gamitan ko ng 100V baba sa 500w yung capacity nung avr?
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Post by: bongchillog on Dec 03, 2016 at 12:40 AM
now ko lang nalaman ito so kung 1kw ang capacity gamitan ko ng 100V baba sa 500w yung capacity nung avr?

Baka ang ibig sabihin for example your receiver is rated 300watts pero 110v. Magiging 600watts consumption since double ang amperes na kain sa 110v


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Post by: Onkyo606 on Dec 03, 2016 at 01:04 AM
now ko lang nalaman ito so kung 1kw ang capacity gamitan ko ng 100V baba sa 500w yung capacity nung avr?
yan ang sinusunod ko. yan din sinabi sa akin ng mga kaibigan ko dito sa forum in the know

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Post by: Onkyo606 on Dec 03, 2016 at 01:06 AM
Baka ang ibig sabihin for example your receiver is rated 300watts pero 110v. Magiging 600watts consumption since double ang amperes na kain sa 110v


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kung 110v ang gamit mo at ang avr mo 3000 watts 1500 watts na lang

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Post by: Onkyo606 on Dec 03, 2016 at 01:22 AM
by the way may thread tayo na titled Whats Up With VA i strongly encourage na ma check din dun yung sinasabi ko baka mali lang ang intindi ko. at least kung mali ako overrated lahat ng avrs ko

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Post by: shoktongxxx on Dec 03, 2016 at 09:04 AM
yan ang sinusunod ko. yan din sinabi sa akin ng mga kaibigan ko dito sa forum in the know

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thanks for sharing sir, now I know. Mas maganda ito para aware tayo. Thanks again chief. :)
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Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 03, 2016 at 11:31 AM
by the way may thread tayo na titled Whats Up With VA i strongly encourage na ma check din dun yung sinasabi ko baka mali lang ang intindi ko. at least kung mali ako overrated lahat ng avrs ko

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thanks will surely read this
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Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 03, 2016 at 11:32 AM
nauwi ko na sa bahay yung pb1000 malaki nga talaga para sa sala ko pero kaya gawan ng paraan.hehehe

salamat sir mike
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Post by: mbtorn on Dec 03, 2016 at 12:44 PM
nauwi ko na sa bahay yung pb1000 malaki nga talaga para sa sala ko pero kaya gawan ng paraan.hehehe

salamat sir mike

that's a great start! congrats!
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Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 03, 2016 at 02:10 PM

sir d ko makita kung saan bands
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Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 03, 2016 at 02:11 PM


sir d ko makita kung saan banda yung whats up with the va?
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Post by: shoktongxxx on Dec 03, 2016 at 02:30 PM
nauwi ko na sa bahay yung pb1000 malaki nga talaga para sa sala ko pero kaya gawan ng paraan.hehehe

salamat sir mike
nice! congrats bro. :)
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Post by: zram18 on Dec 03, 2016 at 02:57 PM
congrats bro!
d ba bitin pb1000 sa big room mo? any short review/comment sa performance ng svs.
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Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 03, 2016 at 03:19 PM
wala pa delivery nung receiver at speaker.sub pa lang meron.mga 5 daw ata dating.mukhang mali tansya ko baka 20 sqm lng eto o less.16ft by 15ft apartment type lng eto.sa left side may hagdanan tpos sa right ng mismong tv ko may maliit na tv para sa yaya.
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Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 03, 2016 at 03:24 PM
anu settings ninyo sa sub?

receiver -3,-2-1,0,1,2,3? etc
sub 12clock,1clock,2clock etc

tapos anu tingin ninyo dapat settings

considering mga 12 ft or 13ft yung harapan mismo ng sub sa listening position.
balak ko ilipat lipat pero gsto ko rin malaman settings nyo?

para alam ko pinakasagad nya sa volume pero in a safe setting.

dati kasi ss htib 6db settings ko pero iba naman sa tunay na receiver at wala volume control sa sub yung dati passive lang sya
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Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 03, 2016 at 04:39 PM
advisable ba na ilagay sa wall yung center speaker
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Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 03, 2016 at 07:15 PM
Baka ang ibig sabihin for example your receiver is rated 300watts pero 110v. Magiging 600watts consumption since double ang amperes na kain sa 110v


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now ko lang nalaman ito so kung 1kw ang capacity gamitan ko ng 100V baba sa 500w yung capacity nung avr?


If you have an automatic voltage regulator rated at 3KVA, the 100V or 110V output should be limited to 1.5KVA or half of the rating of the voltage regulator. Also, if you practice a 60% maximum load that translates to a maximum load of 0.9KVA or 900VA for the 100V/110V output. HTH.

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Post by: shoktongxxx on Dec 03, 2016 at 07:17 PM

If you have an automatic voltage regulator rated at 3KVA, the 100V or 110V output should be limited to 1.5KVA or half of the rating of the voltage regulator. Also, if you practice a 60% maximum load that translates to a maximum load of 0.9KVA or 900VA for the 100V/110V output. HTH.

thanks sir! ;)
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Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 04, 2016 at 10:11 AM
set my sub to

gain                12oclock
av receiver     6db   
80hz all speaker
lfe to only 120hz

is this ok or can i adjust it more?
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Post by: comet on Dec 04, 2016 at 10:21 AM
what are the channel levels post calibration? you can adjust it more thru manual calibration using spl meter
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Post by: comet on Dec 04, 2016 at 10:22 AM
anong receiver at speakers ang nabili mo?
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Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 04, 2016 at 10:26 AM
yung original plan ko na pasok sa budget na bnew

wharf 230,200,dfs,pioneer vsx531,pb1000

ska na ako mag second hand.

kung meron pla may gusto sa inyo alam ko may nagpost ng elac b6 3months used 14k.audiophilippines fb ata

need ko na lang avr at av stand
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Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 04, 2016 at 11:09 AM
what are the channel levels post calibration? you can adjust it more thru manual calibration using spl meter

kung i set ko yung front lr,c,at surround sa 70 sa spl dapat ba 70 din sa spl?

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Post by: comet on Dec 04, 2016 at 11:20 AM
nacalibrate mo na using avr eq?  Not sure ako sa trim levels sa pioneer, usually in decibels yan from -12 to +12.  set mo sa C weigh at slow ang spl at 70.  Sa reading yung 0 corresponds to 70 so dapat +5 ka tumingin sa meter para 75.  Imove mo ang db nung sa channels trim levels hanggang magpantay lahat sa 75 on the spl meter.
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Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 04, 2016 at 12:21 PM
kapag na set ko na lahat ng speaker 75 sa spl
yung SUB din ba dapat 75 din sa spl?
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Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 04, 2016 at 12:29 PM
nacalibrate mo na using avr eq?  Not sure ako sa trim levels sa pioneer, usually in decibels yan from -12 to +12.  set mo sa C weigh at slow ang spl at 70.  Sa reading yung 0 corresponds to 70 so dapat +5 ka tumingin sa meter para 75.  Imove mo ang db nung sa channels trim levels hanggang magpantay lahat sa 75 on the spl meter.

lets say habulin ko yung spl na 75 without adjusting the level or db muna ng speaker ilan dapat yung volume mismo muna sa avr

iset ko ba mna volume 40 then manual calibrate each para maging 75 lahat?

and then kapag natapos ko na limang speaker at na set ko na sa 75 yung SUB ba hahabulin ko ba na 75 din sa spl?

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Post by: comet on Dec 04, 2016 at 07:20 PM
sa avr nilalagay ko sa -20db muna ang volume before calibrating para umabot ng 75db
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Post by: crazyhog on Dec 04, 2016 at 10:31 PM
sa avr nilalagay ko sa -20db muna ang volume before calibrating para umabot ng 75db

pa singit TS, necessary ba doc na e set muna ang volume ( ex -20 ) before calibration? Or case to case bases s ano ang AVR mo?


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Post by: shoktongxxx on Dec 04, 2016 at 11:06 PM
in my case I start with 0 sa lahat ng channel. :)
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Post by: bongchillog on Dec 04, 2016 at 11:23 PM
 Walang audyssey or accueq ang avr?


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Post by: comet on Dec 05, 2016 at 07:32 AM
pa singit TS, necessary ba doc na e set muna ang volume ( ex -20 ) before calibration? Or case to case bases s ano ang AVR mo?


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Sa pagkakaalam  ko fren  di siya magmatter precalibration.  Sa post calibration depende na sa avr mo.  Nung onkyo ginagamit ko ang avr na bahala maggenerate ng audible test tone.  Pero sa marantz, kelangan iadjust ang volume para magkaroon ng audible test tone.  Not sure sa pioneer kung papaano. 
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Post by: praktikal on Dec 05, 2016 at 08:35 AM
Check/follow muna ang user's manual ng avr. Enjoy. After a week or so saka mo kalikutin kapag kinati ka na hehe. May thread dito para sa mga movies with good sfx. Enjoy. Baka Maaliw ka sa sub, don't overkill it. Hth.
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Post by: shoktongxxx on Dec 05, 2016 at 08:44 AM
masaya yan, mayat maya ako kalikot nung akin eh laging kinakati..hehe
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Post by: zram18 on Dec 05, 2016 at 12:16 PM
ang pioneer vsx531 av receiver alam ko walang MCAC automatic calibration.

manual setup mo na lang, madali lang naman.
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Post by: Onkyo606 on Dec 05, 2016 at 03:47 PM
mahirap yatang mag payo kapag wala pang speaker at receiver at kung hindi pa na set up lahat ng gamit parang namamana sa dilim ang magpapayo. pinaka maganda bilin na muna lahat ng gamit, i set up kumpleto ang receiver, front. center at surround kasama ang subwoofer pakinggan at saka magpatuloy ng tanong base sa observation mo sa pakikinig mo.

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Post by: crazyhog on Dec 05, 2016 at 04:21 PM
Sa pagkakaalam  ko fren  di siya magmatter precalibration.  Sa post calibration depende na sa avr mo.  Nung onkyo ginagamit ko ang avr na bahala maggenerate ng audible test tone.  Pero sa marantz, kelangan iadjust ang volume para magkaroon ng audible test tone.  Not sure sa pioneer kung papaano.
Ah ok doc. daghan jud ko matun.an s imo ba :)


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Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 05, 2016 at 04:41 PM
naka set na sya nung saturday pa.

bali yung sub ko sinet ko ng 3oclock yung gain phase 0 tpos lfe
sa receiver +5db


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Post by: bongchillog on Dec 06, 2016 at 02:49 AM
12 ocklock lang sa sub. Try mo muna +3db... then invest in a very good subwoofer cable.. zero phase, max sa crossover.. receiver na bahala


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Post by: Courage on Dec 06, 2016 at 08:25 AM
Pag na set mo na ng ayos yan.. Mag ipon ka, then bili ka ng isa pang PB1000.... he he he...
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Post by: shoktongxxx on Dec 06, 2016 at 08:44 AM
Pag na set mo na ng ayos yan.. Mag ipon ka, then bili ka ng isa pang PB1000.... he he he...
+1. :)
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Post by: wengkapre on Dec 06, 2016 at 09:05 AM
naka set na sya nung saturday pa.

bali yung sub ko sinet ko ng 3oclock yung gain phase 0 tpos lfe
sa receiver +5db

sir, that is too much to start with tapos +5db gain pa sa receiver. you might fry the amp if you set the sub improperly.
start ka lang muna ng proper subwoofer placement >>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsElMmV-_KU
then set gain to 9-10 o'clock, 0º phase
Be sure to set your Fronts, center & surround speakers to small or 80hz, LPF to LFE = 120hz
Set xover to Max or LFE on your sub, then do the calibration from your receiver. Make sure na Ear-Level yung calibration mic mo when you're sitting on your listening position, mas maganda if same level ng tweeter ng front speakers mo.
Based on my own experience, good results after calibration for the sub is -1,0 &/or +1db, then 5db hotter sa receiver.

hth   
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Post by: mike c on Dec 06, 2016 at 09:19 AM
naka set na sya nung saturday pa.

bali yung sub ko sinet ko ng 3oclock yung gain phase 0 tpos lfe
sa receiver +5db

one needs to level match the subwoofer to the main speakers.  kund dinaan sa tancha, masisira ang woofer, and this is not covered by warranty.
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Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 06, 2016 at 05:21 PM
sir, that is too much to start with tapos +5db gain pa sa receiver. you might fry the amp if you set the sub improperly.
start ka lang muna ng proper subwoofer placement >>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsElMmV-_KU
then set gain to 9-10 o'clock, 0º phase
Be sure to set your Fronts, center & surround speakers to small or 80hz, LPF to LFE = 120hz
Set xover to Max or LFE on your sub, then do the calibration from your receiver. Make sure na Ear-Level yung calibration mic mo when your sitting on your listening position, mas maganda if same level ng tweeter ng front speakers mo.
Based on my own experience, good results after calibration for the sub is -1,0 & +1db, then +5db hotter sa receiver.


will try again when i got home

it set my sub -6db  at 12oclock i think.
only tested the ht at 1.5 hrs cartoon and 1hr music.still have issues with the cosmetics of sub.still researching if its normal na hindi pulido yung adhesive nya ss woofer
hth
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Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 06, 2016 at 06:47 PM
decided to stop using it muna as advised by someone.

5.0 mna gamitin ko.
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Post by: mbtorn on Dec 06, 2016 at 06:54 PM
decided to stop using it muna as advised by someone.

5.0 mna gamitin ko.

tinawag mo na ba kay mike c yung concern mo sa sub? madali naman kausap si mike c.
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Post by: Onkyo606 on Dec 06, 2016 at 06:58 PM
decided to stop using it muna as advised by someone.

5.0 mna gamitin ko.
may issue ba yung sub? pwede sigurong isoli within 7 days and request for a refund if you are not happy with it.

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Post by: Pipo_1925 on Dec 06, 2016 at 07:28 PM
decided to stop using it muna as advised by someone.

5.0 mna gamitin ko.

set mo muna sa large yung fronts mo habang wala kang subs
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Post by: shoktongxxx on Dec 06, 2016 at 07:32 PM
decided to stop using it muna as advised by someone.

5.0 mna gamitin ko.
di kaya dapat nag PB2000 ka..baka kasi bitin sayo yung PB1000 eh.
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Post by: zram18 on Dec 06, 2016 at 08:38 PM
for me, sa movies mahina sound ng pb1000 pag medium to large room.
kaya yung iba dual pb1000 or single pb2000 kinukuha. pero pag music ok naman pb1000.
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Post by: praktikal on Dec 06, 2016 at 09:06 PM
Kunan mo kaya ng close up shot then post here para makita kung normal nga ba o hindi ang cosmetic issue sa sub.

Kakabitin ba? Nasa iyo na lahat pero parang di magkaiigi... Hehehe...

Take time at magpapawis ka kakalikot til you hit it. Isang tip sa placement ng sub is to place it sa sweet spot then while playing your chosen test tone, pumwesto ka sa target locations then kung saan ang best doon mo ilagay ang sub. That is kung may option ka other than its location nya ngayon.

Start low on your calib then increase gradually. Dami mong kailangan i-back read. Hth.
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Post by: mbtorn on Dec 06, 2016 at 10:42 PM
sir, that is too much to start with tapos +5db gain pa sa receiver. you might fry the amp if you set the sub improperly.
start ka lang muna ng proper subwoofer placement >>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsElMmV-_KU
then set gain to 9-10 o'clock, 0º phase
Be sure to set your Fronts, center & surround speakers to small or 80hz, LPF to LFE = 120hz
Set xover to Max or LFE on your sub, then do the calibration from your receiver. Make sure na Ear-Level yung calibration mic mo when your sitting on your listening position, mas maganda if same level ng tweeter ng front speakers mo.
Based on my own experience, good results after calibration for the sub is -1,0 & +1db, then +5db hotter sa receiver.

hth   


This pretty sums up what you need to do when calibrating. Be easy on the gain. Imho, bass must be felt but not much heard.
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Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 07, 2016 at 12:11 AM
hindi ako marunong pa magpost sa forum.pinost ko na lang sya sa audio philippines fb.

ayoko nga sya iparefund dahil ok naman yun nga lang ang pinaka lowest na setting na nagawa ko na ramdam naman ang bass is +1db and 1oclock gain.phase 0 lfe 0.kapag hndi pa rin safe eto bitin nga sya.hindi pwede mas malaki kasi hindi na kakasya.

pagka test ko inistop ko mna gamitin at baka mavoid pa warranty.

mas gsto ko nga replacement kaso gusto talaga ni sir mike refund na lang.sana makumbinse pa

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Post by: bongchillog on Dec 07, 2016 at 12:17 AM
Try mo ilipat ng placement. Di naman kailangan nasa harap ang sub. Pwde sya sa gilid ng sofa. Invest for a longer quality cable para umabot sa likod ng sofa.


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Post by: Onkyo606 on Dec 07, 2016 at 12:22 AM
hindi ako marunong pa magpost sa forum.pinost ko na lang sya sa audio philippines fb.

ayoko nga sya iparefund dahil ok naman yun nga lang ang pinaka lowest na setting na nagawa ko na ramdam naman ang bass is +1db and 1oclock gain.phase 0 lfe 0.kapag hndi pa rin safe eto bitin nga sya.hindi pwede mas malaki kasi hindi na kakasya.

pagka test ko inistop ko mna gamitin at baka mavoid pa warranty.

mas gsto ko nga replacement kaso gusto talaga ni sir mike refund na lang.sana makumbinse pa
you mentioned ayaw mo pa refund kase ok naman, what is the reason bakit gusto mo soli kung ok naman?

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Post by: shoktongxxx on Dec 07, 2016 at 12:24 AM
hindi ako marunong pa magpost sa forum.pinost ko na lang sya sa audio philippines fb.

ayoko nga sya iparefund dahil ok naman yun nga lang ang pinaka lowest na setting na nagawa ko na ramdam naman ang bass is +1db and 1oclock gain.phase 0 lfe 0.kapag hndi pa rin safe eto bitin nga sya.hindi pwede mas malaki kasi hindi na kakasya.

pagka test ko inistop ko mna gamitin at baka mavoid pa warranty.

mas gsto ko nga replacement kaso gusto talaga ni sir mike refund na lang.sana makumbinse pa


replacement ng ano?  ???
replacement ng pb2000 na, kasi nga naman kung same item malamang same result labas nyan. Invest more pa brader you wont regret it. IMHO
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Post by: mbtorn on Dec 07, 2016 at 12:26 AM
Curious lang, from sub out ng avr mo panu mo kinabit sa sub?
Title: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: bongchillog on Dec 07, 2016 at 12:28 AM
replacement ng ano?  ???
replacement ng pb2000 na, kasi nga naman kung same item malamang same result labas nyan. Invest more pa brader you wont regret it. IMHO

Sayang yong pb12 plus brader anuh.. mint na mint pa ang driver nun.


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Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 07, 2016 at 12:52 AM
hindi kasya mga sir maliit lang space e.another option is tangalin ko yung maliit na tv at dun ko ilipat yung sub.linagay ko kasi bandang ilalim hagdanan mga 3ft ang height sa ibabaw ng sub na pa slant.

gamit ko yung sub cable ba tawag dun na binili ko kay sir philip.6ft cable

pb1000 pa rin balak ko yung cosmetic lang ang problem ko at mahina kpag default ng autocalibrate parang wla lng dting.pero kpag inadjust e goosebumps ang labas.kaso too hot daw sa sub.kung pwede yung 12oclock plus 1db pwede na rin.



Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: Onkyo606 on Dec 07, 2016 at 01:11 AM
hindi kasya mga sir maliit lang space e.another option is tangalin ko yung maliit na tv at dun ko ilipat yung sub.linagay ko kasi bandang ilalim hagdanan mga 3ft ang height sa ibabaw ng sub na pa slant.

gamit ko yung sub cable ba tawag dun na binili ko kay sir philip.6ft cable

pb1000 pa rin balak ko yung cosmetic lang ang problem ko at mahina kpag default ng autocalibrate parang wla lng dting.pero kpag inadjust e goosebumps ang labas.kaso too hot daw sa sub.kung pwede yung 12oclock plus 1db pwede na rin.
maraming factors why a subwoofer would not perform according to expectations. may times yung reproduction ng movie mismo at music na di maganda. yung size at orientation ng lugar kung saan nakalagay ang subwoofer, yung adjustments done after calibration a  panghuli panglasa ng nakikinig. madalas proper placement ng subwoofer ang culprit kaya kailangang ilipat lipat ng posisyon hanggang makuha yung tunog na gusto.kung may limitasyon sa paglilipat at ayaw din ng mas malaking subwoofer mahirap makuha ang expected results. may kanya kanya ding pang lasa baka di akma sa panlasa mo ang pb1000 kaya talagang mahirap ma meet ang expectation.

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Title: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: bongchillog on Dec 07, 2016 at 01:27 AM
Ok ilabas ko lang ang pic sa problem ni bro jaythan


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For me its a very minor cosmetic issue and should not affect performance.
Extended part na ng bond yong part na yan. Im not an expert though...


Tama din sir onkyo606.
Ano bang source mo ng movies? Bluray? Mkv? Iso? Gaano kalaki ang file? Have you tried movies with dts hd master audio track? Or true hd.

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Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: praktikal on Dec 07, 2016 at 07:33 AM
^ may not affect performance pero kung pwede naman palitan, why not habang maaga pa. Kesa naman laging di ka mapakali. Dyan mo gamitin ang reason why gusto ni wifey ang brand new.

Kagaya ng post ko earlier, laruin mo muna ang pwesto ng sub. Hanap ka kasama kung ayaw mong sumakit ang likod hehe... Yan ang pinagkaiba sa HTIB but milya naman ang pinagkaiba once masetup mo na.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: mike c on Dec 07, 2016 at 08:18 AM
i'm just waiting for sir jaythan to return the subwoofer for a full refund plus transportation cost.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: wengkapre on Dec 07, 2016 at 08:42 AM
to tell you honestly sir, pinakamahirap isetup/calibrate ang subwoofer sa ht system, maaaring nasanay ang tenga mo sa boom boom boom pero wala/kulang naman sa  SQ, so iniiexpect mo na kailangan lakasan ang subwoofer para masatisfy ka, pero hindi kasi ganon pagdating sa subwoofer.
pero based uli sa experience ko, pinakaimportante ay yung PROPER SUBWOOFER PLACEMENT.  It's a BIG NO na ilalagay mo ang subwoofer mo sa gitna ng HT mo lalo na yung nasa gitna ng front wall mo, Null point or whatever they call it yung pwesto na yun. Hindi rin idinidikit sa wall ang sub, dapat may clearance atleast not less than 8" (<correct me na lang guys if i'm wrong).     
Anyway, mas madali ka sana naming matutulungan kung meron kang layout ng HT room mo or kahit picture.

Or maybe SVS is not for you right now, mag-try ka na lang ng ibang sub, try mo kila aaudio/diymaster, marcopilyo for diy subs baka mas masatisfy ka sa mga gawa nila, malay natin di ba?   
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: synchro_01 on Dec 07, 2016 at 09:44 AM
Maybe user expectation is the issue. The SVS sub itself is very capable. The way the issue was described is that to get to the level that the user is happy the gain was cranked all the way up.

Most modern day systems components like subwoofers have a plethora of adjustment parameters that can cater to a wide variety of users tastes but if the expectation is far too great for the component to deliver then its not an issue with the hardware anymore.

Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: bongchillog on Dec 07, 2016 at 09:52 AM
i'm just waiting for sir jaythan to return the subwoofer for a full refund plus transportation cost.

This is the reason kung bakit kay sir mike lang dapat kumuha ng SVS... :)


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Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 07, 2016 at 10:32 AM
naka set na sya nung saturday pa.

bali yung sub ko sinet ko ng 3oclock yung gain phase 0 tpos lfe
sa receiver +5db




guaranteed bottom out ito...



will try again when i got home

it set my sub -6db  at 12oclock i think.
only tested the ht at 1.5 hrs cartoon and 1hr music.still have issues with the cosmetics of sub.still researching if its normal na hindi pulido yung adhesive nya ss woofer
hth



you really need to re-position your sub and follow the advice others have given you.

yan pala may offer na ng refund and transpo cost si mike pwede mo na ibalik.


i'm just waiting for sir jaythan to return the subwoofer for a full refund plus transportation cost.

Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: praktikal on Dec 07, 2016 at 11:02 AM
Anong movie at resolution nito ang sinubukan mo?

Sub ko nasa 11 o'clock lang at never maski 1 o'clock. 3 o'clock?

Saang shop o ht ka nakapag audition nga pala? What you have in mind or expectation prior?

Ang hanapin mo details and balance. A good setup hindi puro boom boom. Having a sub doesn't mean ioverpower nya ang iba. Natural lang na nakatuon ang isip mo sa LFE kaya di ka na makapag concentrate sa palabas. Panoorin mo muna yung may magandang SFX.
Merong thread dito about test movies...pakihanap na lang.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: Waxx on Dec 07, 2016 at 11:15 AM
things i learned since i joined pdvd (with much happy regrets)

tips on audio gears:

1.  location location location
2.  use corrective acoustics (50% of the equation yan)
3.  you haveto have the correct measuring gears to calibrate. di yan play by ear.... if you dont have that, have it calibrated by the pros..
4.  dont overexpect.  if you buy an entry level toyota, dont expect a high end lexus
5.  set aside funds.. as in major FUNDS. magastos na bisyo ang HT.

Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: mike c on Dec 07, 2016 at 11:18 AM
Quote from: jaythan96 on Dec 05, 2016 at 04:41 PM
naka set na sya nung saturday pa.

bali yung sub ko sinet ko ng 3oclock yung gain phase 0 tpos lfe
sa receiver +5db




Quote from: jaythan96 on Yesterday at 05:21 PM

will try again when i got home

it set my sub -6db  at 12oclock i think.
only tested the ht at 1.5 hrs cartoon and 1hr music.still have issues with the cosmetics of sub.still researching if its normal na hindi pulido yung adhesive nya ss woofer
hth

yes, 11db hot and not counting the increase in the analog gain knob equals subwoofer ruining levels.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: -sniper- on Dec 07, 2016 at 11:34 AM
Cosmetic issue

did you not check the item before you took it home? The moment you stepped out of sir mike's compound, you waived any and all claims for cosmetic issues. So, don't rant about it.

On the other hand, if you checked the unit before you went home, you should have seen it there and asked for another unit.

As stated by the other members, it is very diffult to set up the subwoofer. It is a trial and error process. It's not like jack's beanstalk that you throw anywhere and then watch it magically grow.

Your sub is a very superb sub. I just hope that you are not using the supposed cosmetic issue to cover up your inability to use your sub properly and ask for a replacement.

Anyway, an offer from sir mike is on the table. I suggest you take it.

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Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: shoktongxxx on Dec 07, 2016 at 11:42 AM
Sayang yong pb12 plus brader anuh.. mint na mint pa ang driver nun.


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pa OT po.

oo brader sayang nga yun.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: zram18 on Dec 07, 2016 at 12:34 PM
sir can i ask you a favor? please pm me the Stock No. of that pb1000.

im about to buy svs sub pb1000 this month and hindi biro ang 30k pesos for an average person like me. ang wori ko lang, although cosmetic issue lang naman yata yan, baka kasi pag bibili na ako ng svs pb1000, yan mismo ang ma-pick up sa bodega nila. baka kasi mangyari din sa akin nangyari sa u. ako kasi i dont have the luxury of time to return a bulky heavy sub and also the hassles that accompany the return. pag bumili ako, gusto ko one shot na, wala ng balik balik para walang hassle.

its good that sir mike allows return of merchandise with full refund. yung iba kasing av shop, no return-no refund ang policy.

thank you in advance. i know malalagpasan mo rin ang mga pagsubok na gaya nito in our quest for an excellent home theater experience.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: mike c on Dec 07, 2016 at 01:36 PM
sir can i ask you a favor? please pm me the Stock No. of that pb1000.

im about to buy svs sub pb1000 this month and hindi biro ang 30k pesos for an average person like me. ang wori ko lang, although cosmetic issue lang naman yata yan, baka kasi pag bibili na ako ng svs pb1000, yan mismo ang ma-pick up sa bodega nila. baka kasi mangyari din sa akin nangyari sa u. ako kasi i dont have the luxury of time to return a bulky heavy sub and also the hassles that accompany the return. pag bumili ako, gusto ko one shot na, wala ng balik balik para walang hassle.

its good that sir mike allows return of merchandise with full refund. yung iba kasing av shop, no return-no refund ang policy.

thank you in advance. i know malalagpasan mo rin ang mga pagsubok na gaya nito in our quest for an excellent home theater experience.

once opened na ang box, hindi ko na binebenta as brand new.  kaya ako may b-stock thread.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: vtec3 on Dec 07, 2016 at 04:10 PM
This is the reason kung bakit kay sir mike lang dapat kumuha ng SVS... :)


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eto speakers ko lahat kay Sir Mike galing. no problem naman ako ever.

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Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: mike c on Dec 07, 2016 at 04:13 PM
eto speakers ko lahat kay Sir Mike galing. no problem naman ako ever.

(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh246/vt3c3/HT%20Gears%2002_zps01e0dbw3.jpg)

akala ko showroom ko :D
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: wengkapre on Dec 07, 2016 at 04:17 PM
svs showroom sa commonwealth
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: vtec3 on Dec 07, 2016 at 04:19 PM
pati sa office na set-up Sir Mike parang showroom mo din  :)

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Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Dec 07, 2016 at 04:20 PM
svs showroom sa commonwealth

Exactamento!!!
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: shoktongxxx on Dec 07, 2016 at 04:23 PM
parang sarap mag office dyan. :)
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: vtec3 on Dec 07, 2016 at 04:25 PM
Exactamento!!!

master neighbor naku malayo ito sa set-up mo :)
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: mike c on Dec 07, 2016 at 04:30 PM
pati sa office na set-up Sir Mike parang showroom mo din  :)

(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh246/vt3c3/HT06_zps6a8b1d11.jpg)

(http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh246/vt3c3/HT04_zps6de58a22.jpg)

ngayon ko lang nakita mga pics mo
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: vtec3 on Dec 07, 2016 at 04:42 PM
shy ako mag post pictures Sir  :)

dati masipag ako magpatakbo ng Audyssey sa office pero now mayron kasi customer na magalaw lagi binabago tinatamad na ako baguhin
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: stickfighter on Dec 07, 2016 at 11:29 PM
naka set na sya nung saturday pa.

bali yung sub ko sinet ko ng 3oclock yung gain phase 0 tpos lfe
sa receiver +5db


Yikes! Sayang tong sub na'to...talk about break-in.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: mhacman on Dec 08, 2016 at 04:21 PM
Cosmetic issue

did you not check the item before you took it home? The moment you stepped out of sir mike's compound, you waived any and all claims for cosmetic issues. So, don't rant about it.

On the other hand, if you checked the unit before you went home, you should have seen it there and asked for another unit.

As stated by the other members, it is very diffult to set up the subwoofer. It is a trial and error process. It's not like jack's beanstalk that you throw anywhere and then watch it magically grow.

Your sub is a very superb sub. I just hope that you are not using the supposed cosmetic issue to cover up your inability to use your sub properly and ask for a replacement.

Anyway, an offer from sir mike is on the table. I suggest you take it.

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+1

mabuti understanding and considerate ang distributor... you might as well take the offer and charge it to your experience.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: mike c on Dec 10, 2016 at 09:24 AM
Ok ilabas ko lang ang pic sa problem ni bro jaythan


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For me its a very minor cosmetic issue and should not affect performance.
Extended part na ng bond yong part na yan. Im not an expert though...


Tama din sir onkyo606.
Ano bang source mo ng movies? Bluray? Mkv? Iso? Gaano kalaki ang file? Have you tried movies with dts hd master audio track? Or true hd.

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i've received the unit from sir jaythan.
the pictures seem to make the "cosmetic issue" very serious.
closeup picture kasi. 

to the naked eye, it looks normal.
it is just excess adhesive for the dust cap.  (besides being normal, it does not affect performance at all)

i will do a listening test before putting it in the b-stock store.

p.s. sinilip ko itong 150k subwoofer na pinapakinggan ko ngayon, ganon din adhesive ng dust cap nito.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: markcrenz on Dec 10, 2016 at 01:09 PM
Agree the close ups magnify the "cosmetic" issue. I've seen other brand new drivers with much worse adhesives.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 10, 2016 at 01:31 PM
got the refund from sir mike kanina.actually hindi ko kasi sya nainspect nung kinuha ko sya nung last saturday.since  pick up lang ang usapan and no testing.dahil mali set up ko its either refund or no warranty.so since baguhan ako i opted for refund.parang ayoko na nga sanang isoli kanina nung tinuturo na ni sur mike yung tamang pagamit pero since andun na rinefund ko na rin.dapat pala tumawag na lang ako para magpaturo at baka pwede na ulit 3 yrs warranty.

now its either kuha ako svs with one year warranty na lang(other store dahil bad record na kay sir mike)or other sub na lang

yung sa adhesive madami nga nagsabi na wala yun at ok lang late ko nalaman and sana hindi ko na lang sya pinansin.(first instinct kasi check muna physical na hitsura bago loob.hehehe)since new lang ako dito sa ht  madami pa ko kaylangan matutunan talaga.

sorry sa abala sir mike.

special mention sir nelson maraming salamat ss pagalok ng tulong pero nakakahiya talaga. siguro sir kapag may event na lang at pupunta ka.surely dami ako itatanung syo doon.

or kung may ibebenta ka na sub(hehehe)
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: Onkyo606 on Dec 10, 2016 at 01:33 PM
sometimes being too picky would make us lose good opportunities but lessons learned can make us do better judgement the next time.sana makakuha ang ts ng sub na magpapasaya sa kanya

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Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: shoktongxxx on Dec 10, 2016 at 02:01 PM
sometimes being too picky would make us lose good opportunities but lessons learned can make us do better judgement the next time.sana makakuha ang ts ng sub na magpapasaya sa kanya

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I agree. :)
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: shoktongxxx on Dec 10, 2016 at 02:02 PM
anong sub na plan mo kunin? 12" na kunin mo bro laki ng difference nyan sa SQ. ;)
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: praktikal on Dec 10, 2016 at 02:04 PM
Sabi ko diba wag magmadali....?

Mabait lang si Mike C pero lugi sya sa deal na to. Baka nga mas matibay pa ang kapit nyan due to excess glue. Once covered w/ grill wala ng papansin nyan other than sa iyong isipan.

The best talaga you find ample time to audition esp subwoofers dahil mabigat at mahal. Kung nagtyaga ka sanang nagpaturo muna kay Mike at audition 3 subs prior.

Lesson learned that is pero sayang din naman ang mga payo namin syo dahil nagmadali ka. Ayan tuloy sa una palang medyo dismayado ka. Ang sarap pa naman ng feeling na pagkasetup mo mapapangiti ka sa tuwa dahil you experience something different at sulit ang pinag-ipunan.

Now, ano na ang target mong sub?

Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: bongchillog on Dec 10, 2016 at 02:06 PM
@jaythan.

Ano na ang current setup mo ngayon? Yong complete arrived gears


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Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 10, 2016 at 02:16 PM
actually napangiti ako ng todo sa 3oclock at +6db kaso napaisip ako na mukhang mataas masyado.ang ginamit ko na pang testing ng movies na cartoon is 2oclock plus 4db pwede din(yung mga bata natuwadin) kaso mali kasi ginalaw ko pa yung gain nya at sensitivity pagkatapos ng calibration.

pagiisipan ko yung 12 inch dahil sa  budget problem.

i might try to audition marco pilyo sub also kaso wala pa daw box(much cheaper)

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Post by: shoktongxxx on Dec 10, 2016 at 02:20 PM
^good luck on that update mo nalang kami dito. :)
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 10, 2016 at 02:22 PM
@jaythan.

Ano na ang current setup mo ngayon? Yong complete arrived gears

wharfedale 230,200c,dfs-sobrang ok na ko dito dahil sa pandinig ko sobrang satisfied na ako.
yung pioneer vsx531-yun lang kaya sa budget na bnew

no sub yet.wla pa burn in period.baka 3-5 hrs pa lang nagagamit.kahit sa music mamimis mo yung sub.hindi kaya kahit naka large pa setting.



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Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: Onkyo606 on Dec 10, 2016 at 02:31 PM
Sabi ko diba wag magmadali....?

Mabait lang si Mike C pero lugi sya sa deal na to. Baka nga mas matibay pa ang kapit nyan due to excess glue. Once covered w/ grill wala ng papansin nyan other than sa iyong isipan.

The best talaga you find ample time to audition esp subwoofers dahil mabigat at mahal. Kung nagtyaga ka sanang nagpaturo muna kay Mike at audition 3 subs prior.

Lesson learned that is pero sayang din naman ang mga payo namin syo dahil nagmadali ka. Ayan tuloy sa una palang medyo dismayado ka. Ang sarap pa naman ng feeling na pagkasetup mo mapapangiti ka sa tuwa dahil you experience something different at sulit ang pinag-ipunan.

Now, ano na ang target mong sub?
eto pa lang ang unang pag kakataon na may nabalitaan ako na nagsoli ng svs but theres always a first time.

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Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: praktikal on Dec 10, 2016 at 02:34 PM
actually napangiti ako ng todo sa 3oclock at +6db kaso napaisip ako na mukhang mataas masyado.ang ginamit ko na pang testing ng movies na cartoon is 2oclock plus 4db pwede din(yung mga bata natuwadin) kaso mali kasi ginalaw ko pa yung gain nya at sensitivity pagkatapos ng calibration.

pagiisipan ko yung 12 inch dahil sa  budget problem.

i might try to audition marco pilyo sub also kaso wala pa daw box(much cheaper)


Bitin nga syo ang sinauli mong svs... Mag Pilyo ka na nga lang habang pinagiipunan mo ang svs o other known brands.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 10, 2016 at 02:37 PM
mataas nga rin pala yung 2oclock +4db.

Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: Onkyo606 on Dec 10, 2016 at 02:37 PM

ingat lang sa pag gamit ng walang subwoofer at baka yung speaker mo naman ang masira lalong sasakit ang ulo mo sa gastos.

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Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: praktikal on Dec 10, 2016 at 02:44 PM
Sayang yung 12plus hehe...
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Post by: shoktongxxx on Dec 10, 2016 at 02:46 PM
Sayang yung 12plus hehe...
ay oo, kung mabalik lang time na yun ako una mag pareserve nun. ;D
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 10, 2016 at 02:47 PM
sir mahina lang ako gumamit muna.anatayin ko 100 hrs saka ako maguulit ng mga pelikula na gusto ko.

masama din loob ko sa pagsoli ng sub.dahil ss pagiging newbie ko sa adhesive problem at dahil sa mawawala warranty ay napilitan ako.

need ko magcompute kung mag sss loan para sa pb2000 but will try muna marco pilyo bago ang lahat.

pa pm naman kung sino meron marco pilyo dyan na gustong i share nila experience nila or ipost dito

much better kung parehas na nila napakingan yung dalawa.

this time hindi na ko in a rush bumili ng sub

billiard muna para pang clear ng mind
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 10, 2016 at 02:52 PM
yung pb12 plus kasi bash type and 5 yrs na sya gamit at mukhang malaki masyado.sabihin natin na magkaproblema after 1 yr sa kung anung dahilan lumagay ako sa 3yrs na warranty.at isa pa over na yun sa budget ko.

pero siguro kung pinakingan ko yun tapos in safe setting yung gusto ko dating malamang inuwi ko na rin.hehehe

umaasa pa rin ako may darating pa rin na maganda
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Dec 10, 2016 at 02:52 PM
The adhesive in the picture looks very normal for any driver. Mukhang may problem sa settings and movie material na ginamit. Wala pa akong nakita na hindi na-satisfy sa SVS. You should have invited someone to your place to check your setup.
Or baka super taas ng expectation mo talaga that you would need a more powerful sub for that matter. Yun lang wala akong alam na sub na same price ng SVS mo na powerful unless you want to try the DIY route. Which is semi complicated if you don't properly match the amp, enclosure and driver.
Have you tested the SVS in Mike's place before getting it? So you'll have a reference point kasi and you'll know kung ang movie material or setup mo ang problem.

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Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: praktikal on Dec 10, 2016 at 02:55 PM
The adhesive in the picture looks very normal for any driver. Mukhang may problem sa settings and movie material na ginamit. Wala pa akong nakita na hindi na-satisfy sa SVS. You should have invited someone to your place to check your setup.
Or baka super taas ng expectation mo talaga that you would need a more powerful sub for that matter. Yun lang wala akong alam na sub na same price ng SVS mo na powerful unless you want to try the DIY route. Which is semi complicated if you don't properly match the amp, enclosure and driver.
Have you tested the SVS in Mike's place before getting it? So you'll have a reference point kasi and you'll know kung ang movie material or setup mo ang problem.

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Room treatment pa.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Dec 10, 2016 at 02:59 PM
Room treatment pa.


Yes. Pero ang issue kasi ng TS is yun gain or lakas ng lows niya. Kaya most often ang advice natin for beginners is to audition audition and audition so you'll have a reference point as to SQ and loudness. Without proper reference, you really can't tell what good, or malakas etc.

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Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: shoktongxxx on Dec 10, 2016 at 03:04 PM
Room treatment pa.
ito pa isa dapat talaga consider malaki din effect nito plus proper positioning ng sub.
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Post by: praktikal on Dec 10, 2016 at 03:12 PM
Can't really rely on others' experience. Ganyan din naman ako, ask others first pero as addtl info lang. Pero may mga nabili akong pure "bahala na" dahil gusto ko lang talaga.

Baka nga mad mabuting mag Pilyo muna since may budget constraint pa.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 10, 2016 at 03:32 PM
@nelson.hindi e.pick up lang talaga agreement nung last saturday.

pero natry ko na magaudition sa mly nung pb1000 dati.

hindi pala basta pwede adjust lang ng db at gain sa sub.


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Post by: bongchillog on Dec 10, 2016 at 03:32 PM
Bro jaythan how about yong material mo ng movies?
Do you use media player? Or bluray player? Ilang gb ang files?


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Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 10, 2016 at 03:37 PM
Sabi ko diba wag magmadali....?

Mabait lang si Mike C pero lugi sya sa deal na to. Baka nga mas matibay pa ang kapit nyan due to excess glue. Once covered w/ grill wala ng papansin nyan other than sa iyong isipan.

The best talaga you find ample time to audition esp subwoofers dahil mabigat at mahal. Kung nagtyaga ka sanang nagpaturo muna kay Mike at audition 3 subs prior.

Lesson learned that is pero sayang din naman ang mga payo namin syo dahil nagmadali ka. Ayan tuloy sa una palang medyo dismayado ka. Ang sarap pa naman ng feeling na pagkasetup mo mapapangiti ka sa tuwa dahil you experience something different at sulit ang pinag-ipunan.

Now, ano na ang target mong sub?




I have to disagree.

Lugi siguro monetarily but at a certain perspective, I think Mike actually ended up on top of this. ;D

Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 10, 2016 at 03:45 PM
@bonchilog

as of now media player lang with 7gig to 14 gig movies

next pa sa plan yung blu ray player and favorite bd movies
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Post by: zram18 on Dec 10, 2016 at 03:46 PM
does it matter ba mga sir kung media player or bluray player ginamit nya kung parehas naman cla 5.1?
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Post by: shoktongxxx on Dec 10, 2016 at 03:48 PM
does it matter ba mga sir kung media player or bluray player ginamit nya kung parehas naman cla 5.1?
yup, for me depende sa file play mo. :)
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Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 10, 2016 at 03:49 PM
ang alam ko compress yung 14 gb compared to original blu ray cd.kahit na tangalin pa yung mge extra features
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Post by: mbtorn on Dec 10, 2016 at 03:49 PM
SVS pa din ang kunin mo. Basta make sure na tama na yung calibration, positioning at room treatment mo. Bili ka na din spl meter. Ask a pdvd member near your place to help you set up.
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Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 10, 2016 at 03:51 PM
@jojo care to explain it more
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Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 10, 2016 at 03:56 PM
plan ko today is matulog hangang 6 tapos mag bilyar habang umiinom.

ngayon nakatutok na naman ko sa ht at ngbaback read sa binigay ni sir praktikal na link.
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Post by: Onkyo606 on Dec 10, 2016 at 03:59 PM
@jojo care to explain it more
by allowing you to do a refund you have more flexibility sa mga choices mo.

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Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 10, 2016 at 04:10 PM
@jojo care to explain it more


It showed Mike's commitment to customer satisfaction did it not?

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Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 10, 2016 at 05:16 PM
agree
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Post by: Onkyo606 on Dec 10, 2016 at 07:41 PM
yung pb12 plus kasi bash type and 5 yrs na sya gamit at mukhang malaki masyado.sabihin natin na magkaproblema after 1 yr sa kung anung dahilan lumagay ako sa 3yrs na warranty.at isa pa over na yun sa budget ko.

pero siguro kung pinakingan ko yun tapos in safe setting yung gusto ko dating malamang inuwi ko na rin.hehehe

umaasa pa rin ako may darating pa rin na maganda
napaka halaga ng reputation at trust sa hobby na ito. yung mga sellers dito built their reputation in time so it is important to ask them properly about the issue and shy away from doubting na na shortchange ang buyer. in my case naka apat na subs na ako kay mike c and i have not tested any bago ko iuwi.pag dating sa bahay may mga observations ako about cosmetics so immediately nag pm ako to inquire but there was no doubt in my mind na brand new yung mga nabili ko.

svs does not boast of booming ear piercing bass. ang gusto ko sa svs is the extension and clarity. madalas kung marinig there is no replacement for displacement kaya dont expect a lot sa pb1000 pag dating sa strong output mas malaki ang driver mas maganda displacement pero kahit 10 inches lang ng svs can be at par or better sa ibang brand. naalala ko a month ago pumasyal kami sa isang barkada dumadagundong sa garahe nya habang kumakain kami. sabi nya nag rereklamo yung kapitbahay kaya nag ayos sya ng bakod nasa living room ang set up nya mga 25 to 30 sqm kasama kitchen pero ang lakas pa din ng sub nya. akala ko malaki yun pala pb1000..

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Post by: zram18 on Dec 10, 2016 at 08:02 PM
so bakit malakas ung pb1000 na un while others are not? ano kaya ginawa nila sa pb1000 nila? what is the mystery behind..
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: praktikal on Dec 10, 2016 at 08:17 PM
Maraming factors. Placement, room size, calibration, room treatment, source, etc.

Yung setup ko nga mas malakas ang kalabog sa loob ng cr pero syempre puro dagundong lang.

May mga discussions na dito regarding acoustics.

Baka makatulong:
http://www.soundonsound.com/sound-advice/beginners-guide-acoustic-treatment
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 10, 2016 at 09:23 PM
 :)

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Post by: zram18 on Dec 10, 2016 at 09:37 PM
@praktikal
thanks for sharing the topic on acoustic treatment.dami ko natutunan.
so its not just choosing the right gears that matters. kaya pala iba ang sound ng speakers at subwoofer sa mga audio shops compared paguwi mo ng bahay.
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Post by: shoktongxxx on Dec 10, 2016 at 09:47 PM
^exactly pero unti unti makopya mo yan.
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Post by: praktikal on Dec 10, 2016 at 09:52 PM
@praktikal
thanks for sharing the topic on acoustic treatment.dami ko natutunan.
so its not just choosing the right gears that matters. kaya pala iba ang sound ng speakers at subwoofer sa mga audio shops compared paguwi mo ng bahay.
Welcome Rotonda! 😉

Tumpak! Kaya maganda nga sana pwede home audition para makumpara ng buyer ang performance. Yung feeling na ang ganda ganda ng tunog sa shop then pagsetup mo sa bahay ang masasabi mo lang ay, "Ay.....?! Ba't ganun?

Marami namang praktikal na paraan para maayos ang kundisyon ng room.
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Post by: Onkyo606 on Dec 10, 2016 at 11:28 PM
so bakit malakas ung pb1000 na un while others are not? ano kaya ginawa nila sa pb1000 nila? what is the mystery behind..
walang mystery sa pb1000 or any other sub for that matter sa pananaw ko. madaming pagkakataon nagiging subjective din. but many factors can affect the performance nasabi na lahat sa mga previous posts. may times because malapit sa corner yung placement nagkaron ng dapdag lakas. yung layout ng lugar kung saan nakalagay yung set up pinakahuli panlasa ng nakikinig. may pinuntahan ako ng set up dalawang 13 inches at dalawang 15 inches ang sub pero yung bass nya swabe lang at sa ibang panlasa parang mahina considering na apat sya yung isang pinuntahan ko naman dalawang 12 inches parang ginigiba ng lindol yung room nya. yung apat na sub pasok sa panlasa nya yung tamang tama lang na bass yung dalawa pasok sa kanya yung madiin  talaga.

dati naka us audio ako na sub pag nanuod na ako parang magigiba yung kwarto masaya ako.pero nung napag paliwanagan ako nagkaron ako ng paradigm shift nagpalit ako ng svs pb10 di kasing lakas bumayo ng us audio pero worlds apart sa ganda at kalidad  ng tunog.

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Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: vgsison on Dec 11, 2016 at 10:12 AM
Masyado yata mataas expectation nitong TS. I suggest you understand the basics of HT and your components to maximize your gears. Train your ears, read sa contributions ng members here and constantly analyze your system. Dont blame the gears.


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Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: shoktongxxx on Dec 11, 2016 at 12:14 PM
Masyado yata mataas expectation nitong TS. I suggest you understand the basics of HT and your components to maximize your gears. Train your ears, read sa contributions ng members here and constantly analyze your system. Dont blame the gears.


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+1..audition mo muna pagnauwi mo na tsaka mo timplahin sa gusto mo. :)
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Post by: markcrenz on Dec 11, 2016 at 03:33 PM
Masyado yata mataas expectation nitong TS. I suggest you understand the basics of HT and your components to maximize your gears. Train your ears, read sa contributions ng members here and constantly analyze your system. Dont blame the gears.


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Most untrained ears prefer the heavy club type bass quantity over smooth quality bass that extends to 20hz or less. Bka si TS nakasanayan din yung boomboom bass which any decent calibration could and will not provide, kaya akala parang sobrang bitin ang bass.
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Post by: wengkapre on Dec 12, 2016 at 11:23 AM
Most untrained ears prefer the heavy club type bass quantity over smooth quality bass that extends to 20hz or less. Bka si TS nakasanayan din yung boomboom bass which any decent calibration could and will not provide, kaya akala parang sobrang bitin ang bass.

tumpak!
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Post by: zram18 on Dec 14, 2016 at 09:39 PM
whats ur next move bro? still svs or other brand naman?
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Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 15, 2016 at 11:20 AM
mag try ko ng marco pilyo na pioneer and svs pb1000 pa rin at pb2000

ikaw sir nakapag try ka na ba ng marco pilyo diy sub?anu masasabi mo?

yung sa mga master anu din masassbi nyo between diy sub of marco pilyo vs svs

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Post by: shoktongxxx on Dec 15, 2016 at 11:21 AM
mag try ko ng marco pilyo and svs pb1000 pa rin at pb2000
PB2000 na bro. ;)
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Post by: jaythan96 on Dec 15, 2016 at 11:27 AM
@shoktong mahal kasi dre.pero itry ko pa rin.
ang mura lang nung marco pilyo baka kasing lalim at kasing linis din yung bass
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Post by: shoktongxxx on Dec 15, 2016 at 11:30 AM
@shoktong mahal kasi dre.pero itry ko pa rin.
ang mura lang nung marco pilyo baka kasing lalim at kasing linis din yung bass
wala pa ata sya stock nagpunta mga office mate ko last week kay Marco wala pa daw sya Karpentero eh.
Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: zram18 on Dec 17, 2016 at 12:21 AM
talaga cgurong diy speakers is not a lucrative business.
its a mere hobby for audio enthusiasts and audiophiles. kaya pasingit singit lang sa sked nila.
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Post by: shoktongxxx on Dec 17, 2016 at 12:26 AM
busy lahat kasi holiday season eh malamang maraming gawa mga tao this season. :)
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Post by: mhacman on Dec 17, 2016 at 01:50 PM
^ nagsa-sideline sa pag-gawa ng hamon... January, carpentry na ulet hehe
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Post by: shoktongxxx on Dec 17, 2016 at 03:19 PM
^galing ah multi skill. ;)
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Post by: JojoD818 on Dec 18, 2016 at 10:58 AM
magkano kaya ang kilo ng hamon? :D
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Post by: shoktongxxx on Dec 18, 2016 at 11:14 AM
magkano kaya ang kilo ng hamon? :D

nyahahaha.. ;D
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Post by: Onkyo606 on Jan 22, 2017 at 12:55 AM
Ano na kaya nangyari dito?

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Post by: bongchillog on Jan 22, 2017 at 02:23 AM
Ano na kaya nangyari dito?

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Parang may nabasa ako sa ibang thread, nakabili na daw sya sa ibang dealer ng pb1000 din.


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Title: Re: 5.1 set up(need help badly)
Post by: accastil on Mar 18, 2018 at 08:15 AM
just for ht. Is there anything easier to drive than klipschs?
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Post by: CMac on Apr 01, 2018 at 03:28 AM
(cost and availability wise) i think the polks signature series are easy to drive...according to listen up salesman. They look outstanding for the price imo
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Post by: zram18 on Apr 01, 2018 at 08:29 AM
i agree. they are at a lower price than the legendary rti series.
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Post by: JeromeA on Apr 01, 2018 at 11:18 AM
ganda ng comparison ng subs ah. hehe