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Home Theater => Audio => Tubes => Topic started by: parasound on Apr 15, 2017 at 10:13 AM
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All check! kumpleto na, waiting na lang for power transformer & choke (niluluto pa ni Edrel S)
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Trial lay out, in preparation for cutting hole for transformers, tubes & capacitor mount.
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Received the power transformer & choke last night from Mr. Edrel S,
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Start cutting the aluminum chassis for power transformer mount (using Dremel 3000)
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Thanks
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Hole Saw trial,
28mm dia & 50mm dia
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Update
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Wiring na lang
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Ayos..... 8) 8) 8)
Kainggit ung Trapo.... >:D >:D >:D
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Marami pa available yan brod, pili ka lang Tango U808 or FW20s. Good for your 45
Ayos..... 8) 8) 8)
Kainggit ung Trapo.... >:D >:D >:D
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Galing mo naman Ronald. Asan na yun sa akin :D :D :D
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another tubero is born, i remember S2KOV, andy is now in canada...
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Kaya mo din yan sir, basta meron proper tools & parts. Then advise and help from our tube gurus like sir Tony
Galing mo naman Ronald. Asan na yun sa akin :D :D :D
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it is hard to go wrong with a SET amp as a newbie project,
simplicity makes this a fine way to start with tubes....
as you gain more experience, then you can move on the the bigger tubes...
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Yes Sir Tony, the first time i met Andy (s2kov) was at the wiredstate Nov Hifi show way back 2005, then the last time we exchange message was when he still based in SG.
another tubero is born, i remember S2KOV, andy is now in canada...
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i still get messages from Andy from time to time....
this 2A3 worked best when biased at 250 volts plate and 60mA cathode current, this is the thing to watch out for on power up...
so to complete the operating points, 250volts plate, 60mA current, and -45 volts grid bias....
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Thanks Sir Tony, will set it to 250Vi use Bourns 100 ohms 2 watts VR (hum pot) - https://www.bourns.com/pdfs/3590.pdf
i still get messages from Andy from time to time....
this 2A3 worked best when biased at 250 volts plate and 60mA cathode current, this is the thing to watch out for on power up...
so to complete the operating points, 250volts plate, 60mA current, and -45 volts grid bias....
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ever wondered why the plate load reflected 2.5k primary?
that is because at a plate voltage of 250 volts, plate resistance is 800 ohms approx. so that three times that or 2400 will give more or less power with reasonable distortion...max power is at twice plate resistance but distortion will be higher...
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Wiring Done
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Pero meron Hum
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https://youtu.be/EFB0A1lWs2k
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good job.....congrats...
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thanks sir tony, to be continued on December. rewiring ulit
good job.....congrats...
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i told your friend when i talked to him about the basic practice that i follow when building amps, you can also use tagboards, that will make
your amp look clean, but the basic principles of running B+ and ground returns will be the same...
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Yes sir, Lessons learned, tira lang kasi ng tira, hehehe. But this time drawing ko na para mas madali at malinis ang layout ng parts, then i will use turret board. Time na lang kailangan ko, back to work na ulit.
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https://youtu.be/sSTQOZddQik
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23 weeks ang rotation mo?
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yes sir.
23 weeks ang rotation mo?
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Wiring Done
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Pero meron Hum
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Master TonyT told me that humming is a common feature of direct heated tubes.
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Malaman natin pag balik ko at na i re layout yung components and tamang grounding..
Edrel S currently building one (same circuit) for him, malaman kung saan nagkamali.
Thanks
Master TonyT told me that humming is a common feature of direct heated tubes.
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Master TonyT told me that humming is a common feature of direct heated tubes.
more so with 300b because of the 5 volts in the heaters, humdingers are definitely required...
there are those who advocate the use of Rod Coleman regulators,
but as Tim de Paravicini would have it, "i do not mix water with wine"
i tend to agree....:D
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Malaman natin pag balik ko at na i re layout yung components and tamang grounding..
Edrel S currently building one (same circuit) for him, malaman kung saan nagkamali.
Thanks
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grounding is real...
in all my builds, i use a common psu ground point,
where all wires that need to be at 0 volts are joined there...
another principle is that all B+ psu wires need a return to 0 volts ground, if you do this, then hum are avoided...
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Maraming salamat Sir Tony for your very informative advise.
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Nald,
Do not connect your safety gnd and your signal gnd directly together.
Your safety gnd should be as short as possible connected directly to your chassis.
Then the center tap of your power transformer connected to the first negative terminal of the filter capacitor.
Do not use this as the start of star gnd since this is the noisest. Tap another wire going to the 2nd filter capacitor. This point can now be considered as the start of star gnd or gnd bus.
From the 1st capacitor terminal, install a gnd loop breaker circuit to connect to chassis for safety.
Your audio circuit already indicated which terminal need to be connected to gnd bus. Just follow it and you will be good.
Cheers.
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yes, safety ground connects to one of the bolts holding the IEC power inlets,
it is bolted to the chassis at that point...this protects the user from shocks in case there is a power leakage to chassis...
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Thanks Loi, will do that. Inip na nga ako, sana December na bukas. Nakaka home sick tuloy. Miss ko na mga alaga ko. Mabuti ka pa every weekend nahihimas mo volume knob ng 45 mo.
Nald,
Do not connect your safety gnd and your signal gnd directly together.
Your safety gnd should be as short as possible connected directly to your chassis.
Then the center tap of your power transformer connected to the first negative terminal of the filter capacitor.
Do not use this as the start of star gnd since this is the noisest. Tap another wire going to the 2nd filter capacitor. This point can now be considered as the start of star gnd or gnd bus.
From the 1st capacitor terminal, install a gnd loop breaker circuit to connect to chassis for safety.
Your audio circuit already indicated which terminal need to be connected to gnd bus. Just follow it and you will be good.
Cheers.
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Yes sir Tony..
yes, safety ground connects to one of the bolts holding the IEC power inlets,
it is bolted to the chassis at that point...this protects the user from shocks in case there is a power leakage to chassis...
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Correction.. mali yung 1st layout drawing ko
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if you are up to it, you can use a video pentode instead of the 6sl7,
to really push the 2A3 around, a strong driver with lots more
current than the 6sl7 can provide is desireable...
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Like 12GH7 sir tony?
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yes...12by7, D3a, 12HL7 etc...even the el84 will do nicely...
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ok sir, will experiment later pag na perfect na itong circuit na ito,
thanks.
yes...12by7, D3a, 12HL7 etc...even the el84 will do nicely...
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Update..
Rewiring done by Mr. Felix, Thank you very much po sa wiring and NOS Mullard GZ37
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