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MPBL is slowly gaining grounds. After the inaugural season, the league is now at 24 teams if I'm not mistaken. The likes of Pasig, Manila, San Juan, Marikina and some provincial teams have joined. I am following the MPBL FB page and articles have indicated several former PBA players are set to play again in this league. Certainly not of the superstar status but some of these players used to be really good in college. Reihl Cervantes, Joseph Yeo, Roger Yap, heck even Jojo Tangkay will play again. According to the FB page, Paras brothers will play in one Team while Prince Rivero is also in the line up of another team. Leo Najorda, Reed Juntilla will be playing as well. Gerald Anderson is alos in the line up of Marikina. I don't know if there is anything wrong with me but I am more excited with this league than the PBA. I have lost interest in the league that seems to just favor one Team or two.
Anyone else watching MPBL?
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Any grassroots, regional-based league is always good ........ like I always say on the hoops threads, basketball is one sport where an IMMENSE number of local talent is guaranteed.
However, the MPBL should follow the lessons learned from the old MBA.
The MBA got killed because it did not set the right rules when it came to ownership, costs, salaries, parity, etc ......... imagine, Vince Hizon receiving a monthly salary of 700k-800k/month (and he wasn't event the best player on his team).
Eh paano pa ang mga loaded metro teams like M.Manila?
Pati ABS-CBN hindi na kinaya ang lumalaking gastos kaya kumalas.
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^dami nga daw naging utang ng MBA.
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May strict rules ang mpbl re fil foreign players. only 1 fil foreign players per team. And the rules on describing fil foreign itself is strict. Ex bobby ray parks jr is considered fil foreign. Basta if 1 of your parents are not filipino citizen when you were born, youre considered fil-foreign... dapat talaga both parents are filipino when you are born. Actually inaappeal to ni parks, but i dont think uubra appeal nya. Rules are rules. Bawal rin dito naturalized foreinger.
Yes mpbl is interesting league and para syang mba v2.. i believe the founders of this league has learned from the mistakes of mba. They will probably monitor the salary cap strictly. And maganda dito, its a semi commercial league (team co ownership) with location/regional ties, so andun parin ang pride of each team when they play home court. Win win kumbaga.
Salary base is really controlled... ( think of this as a better d league) ..i think malabo lumipat dito mga major players mg pba.. which was the mistake of mba when they first launched..( they wanted to compete with pba head to head, so they offered big salaries directly to the players just to play in this league)... now i see the league actually not afraid to have its own identity and market.. which is good.
Mas masarap intensity ng mga laro dito..
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....... They will probably monitor the salary cap strictly.
....... Mas masarap intensity ng mga laro dito..
Monitoring/enforcing salary caps has looooooong been a joke with Pinoy basketball, both professional and amateur (collegiate).
Basta may pulitiko or malaking korporasyon na sumawsaw, tiyak unti-unti yang guguho.
I'm very doubtful, pero sana nga tumagal itong MPBL.
On the flipside, walang duda na mas exciting ang mga laro dito ........... it's a combination of homecourt (something the PBA will never have), unheralded players, unheralded coaches, larong buko, etc.
Anyone here remembers how crazy those old MBA games were .......... panalo di ba.
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May strict rules ang mpbl re fil foreign players. only 1 fil foreign players per team. And the rules on describing fil foreign itself is strict. Ex bobby ray parks jr is considered fil foreign. Basta if 1 of your parents are not filipino citizen when you were born, youre considered fil-foreign... dapat talaga both parents are filipino when you are born. Actually inaappeal to ni parks, but i dont think uubra appeal nya. Rules are rules. Bawal rin dito naturalized foreinger.
I was about to ask regarding fil-foreign players, buti nabanggit mo na. This is a good rule. I stopped watching the PBA kasi nainis na ako with the influx of fil-foreign players, parang nawalan na ng opportunity yung mga home grown players natin. masyado na naging commercialized at parang nawala na yung filipino pride.
sana nga itong Maharlika eh mag succeed. masarap kasi yung feeling nung nanunuod ka ng basketball na parang nasa barangay ang atmosphere hehe.
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Monitoring/enforcing salary caps has looooooong been a joke with Pinoy basketball, both professional and amateur (collegiate).
Basta may pulitiko or malaking korporasyon na sumawsaw, tiyak unti-unti yang guguho.
I'm very doubtful, pero sana nga tumagal itong MPBL.
On the flipside, walang duda na mas exciting ang mga laro dito ........... it's a combination of homecourt (something the PBA will never have), unheralded players, unheralded coaches, larong buko, etc.
Anyone here remembers how crazy those old MBA games were .......... panalo di ba.
I know salary issue is a joke.. daming bonus, taya, on the side, etc.. but at least you leave it to the team owners to worry about it. Yan ang mali ni abscbn sa mba.. they subsidized most of the salaries of the major players just to get them to stick around. Ayun.. in the end.. bagsak.
Actually, dami na ata g pulitiko imvolved here... as for the corps.. meron narin...you really need money to get these players...
But then again, andito yung regional pride.. so if ever baka mag progress to ala pba but with regional aspects.
Of course andyan rin yung risk ng mga players na nagbebenta ng laro..
But its hella fun to watch!
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Any grassroots, regional-based league is always good ........ like I always say on the hoops threads, basketball is one sport where an IMMENSE number of local talent is guaranteed.
However, the MPBL should follow the lessons learned from the old MBA.
The MBA got killed because it did not set the right rules when it came to ownership, costs, salaries, parity, etc ......... imagine, Vince Hizon receiving a monthly salary of 700k-800k/month (and he wasn't event the best player on his team).
Eh paano pa ang mga loaded metro teams like M.Manila?
Pati ABS-CBN hindi na kinaya ang lumalaking gastos kaya kumalas.
i was hoping di maging tulad ng MBA. though posible ding mag ka ganyan.Imagine Rayray Parks playing? Tatanggap kaya ng barya yun? nakatuwang manuod ng punung puno yung venue
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im also excited to see yung mga ex pba players na magagaling naman di nga lang nabigyan ng break sa pba or sadyang di nakapag perform dun. inaabangan ko din yung mga player na di umabot sa malalaking liga pero mahusay mag laro.
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Write up about the new players
http://www.foxsports.ph/basketball/mpbl/858024/mpbl-new-key-players-will-click-together/
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i was hoping di maging tulad ng MBA. though posible ding mag ka ganyan.Imagine Rayray Parks playing? Tatanggap kaya ng barya yun? nakatuwang manuod ng punung puno yung venue
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Yup gusto ni rayray parks maglaro.. pero yung team na paglalaruan nya, may fil foreigner na ata... thats why he wants to appeal his case.. pinoy naman daw sya...naglalaro nga sa phil team..
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After reading about the filams, parang nawalan nako ng gana.. i only liked it because its all local players nung inaugural season , parang may inter barangay vibe na commercialized. di na sila natuto sa pba..
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Write up about the new players
http://www.foxsports.ph/basketball/mpbl/858024/mpbl-new-key-players-will-click-together/
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makakapaglaro kaya si Cardona eh nakakulong yun diba? payagan kaya siya maglaro kung makapag piyansa?
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same topic :
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,216760.0.html
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same topic :
http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,216760.0.html
I suggest we merge it with the other thread.
Btw, what's wrong with Fil-Ams? This ridiculous MPBL rule seems like, to me, a double standard reeking of racism and xenophobia. For instance, why is Gerald Anderson NOT considered a Fil-Am while Rayray Parks is?
If we have an international celebrity even remotely filipino, we shout "#PinoyPride" to the high heavens. But when it comes to coming to our country and making a name for themselves here, we say F you, we would rather let the local talent get a break.
Trust me, if the local talent can't shine with Fil-Ams around, then it doesn't deserve to be on professional sports.
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I suggest we merge it with the other thread.
Btw, what's wrong with Fil-Ams? This ridiculous MPBL rule seems like, to me, a double standard reeking of racism and xenophobia. For instance, why is Gerald Anderson NOT considered a Fil-Am while Rayray Parks is?
If we have an international celebrity even remotely filipino, we shout "#PinoyPride" to the high heavens. But when it comes to coming to our country and making a name for themselves here, we say F you, we would rather let the local talent get a break.
Trust me, if the local talent can't shine with Fil-Ams around, then it doesn't deserve to be on professional sports.
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I think they will classify gerald anderson a fil foreigner player. Kaya sya yung 1 fil foreign player of the team he will play with.
I think nothing is wrong with fil foreign players.. they just want to limit their entry.. They dont want it kike the pba of the 2000s when there were tons of fil ams, and affected ang locals.. true that filam raises the game of some local players, but not all... besides, sa sobrang dali kumuha/gumawa ng fake na papel dito sa pinas... mahirap na.. remember sonny alvarado, rob parker etc? Even upto this day i still have my doubts on asi taulava.
I think its their way of saying... they aknowlege the fil foreign players, but the focus is still on local talents.
I personally see nothing wrong with their rules.. its their league, therefore their rules... sana lang nga walang double standard.
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I suggest we merge it with the other thread.
Btw, what's wrong with Fil-Ams? This ridiculous MPBL rule seems like, to me, a double standard reeking of racism and xenophobia. For instance, why is Gerald Anderson NOT considered a Fil-Am while Rayray Parks is?
If we have an international celebrity even remotely filipino, we shout "#PinoyPride" to the high heavens. But when it comes to coming to our country and making a name for themselves here, we say F you, we would rather let the local talent get a break.
Trust me, if the local talent can't shine with Fil-Ams around, then it doesn't deserve to be on professional sports.
I'm not yet fully familiar with the MPBL rules on Fil-Ams, foreigners, etc ......... it does sound a bit lean & contradictory even.
But in general, IMO there should be a limit to Fil-Ams on local pro & amateur basketball leagues.
Best example, years ago the PBA instituted the 5-per team rule. This was just about the sweet spot, since it weeded out those less-talented Fil-Ams, Fil-Shams and ensured that only those standouts got in rosters.
In a way, it also helped some teams from shooting themselves. If Tim Cone had it his way, his past teams would be 90% Fil-Ams ....... and there was a LOT of Fil-Am duds then. Some duds, you can see a mile away.
Ex. Tim Cone drafting Migs Noble (over Ritualo, Avenido, Tolomia, etc) ........ Tim Cone trading Duremdes for the draft rights to Brandon Cablay.
Perry Ronquillo drafting Mike Hrabak (over Caguioa, R.Yap, etc) even if no one has ever seen him play, Ronquillo included. WTF.
There's absolutely no shortage of local talent in any city, any barangay in the country, hence my rants against imports playing in collegiate leagues.
As for Fil-Ams, they should be allowed to play. but realistic & fair limit be put in place.
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http://www.foxsports.ph/basketball/mpbl/857289/understanding-mpbls-fil-foreigner-issue/
No surprise since si duremdes was one of the anti fil am players back the. Sa pba.
http://news.abs-cbn.com/sports/05/17/18/mpbl-team-officials-react-to-league-ruling-on-fil-foreign-players
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For me, for every fil am sa line up, thats 1 less opportunity for local.. pba is not gaining new fans, mpbl is.. they started strong why change.. i know some will disagree, just my 2c..
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For me, for every fil am sa line up, thats 1 less opportunity for local.. pba is not gaining new fans, mpbl is.. they started strong why change.. i know some will disagree, just my 2c..
Gawa nalang ng bagong league.. fil foreign league..baka magka following rin.
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http://www.foxsports.ph/basketball/mpbl/857289/understanding-mpbls-fil-foreigner-issue/
No surprise since si duremdes was one of the anti fil am players back the. Sa pba.
http://news.abs-cbn.com/sports/05/17/18/mpbl-team-officials-react-to-league-ruling-on-fil-foreign-players
To be fair to Duremdes, it was a different time, different conditions, back when he and a few other protested during their PBA days ........ Fil-Shams ang kinakalaban noon.
But now, it appears that Duremdes needs to be fair in his classification rules ........ parang may nabasa pa ako na mayroong 6'4" height limit for Fil-Ams, Fil-Foreigners ?!! C'mon, this thinking is too defeatist and unrealistic.
I read somewhere that MPBL teams are now at 20++ .......... siguro, pwede na ang 2 or 3 per team na Fil-Ams (classitifications be made fair) ......... absolutely no IMPORTS please.
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An honest question, ano ba talaga ang kategorya ni rayray parks? Di ba dito pinanganak yun at dito din lumaki at nag aral?
Di ba sya Filipino citizen?
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An honest question, ano ba talaga ang kategorya ni rayray parks? Di ba dito pinanganak yun at dito din lumaki at nag aral?
Di ba sya Filipino citizen?
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Filipino citizen sya.. has ph passport.. even plays for ph team.
Ang rules ata ni duremdes, dapat both parents are filipino citizens at the time of birth. If 1 is foreigner, automatic fil foreign ka.
Doesnt matter if youre born here.. or born abroad, basta important parents mo both pinoy citizen upon your birth.
Ex, kunwari may dalawang magasawa na foreigner, tapos nag apply for filipino citizenship and na approve, tapos nag tour sa usa and nagkataon dun pinanganak anak nila and naging automatic green card holder anak nila... pinoy parin yan and pwede maglaro sa mpbl.
Yan ang intindi ko sa rules..
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^yun kasi ang problem. Under Phil laws, Parks is a natural born citizen.
So under his rules, does that mean guys like Castro or Abueva or even Pingris may be classified as Fil-Fors?
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dapat siguro basehan dapat full blooded pinoy pareho
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^yun kasi ang problem. Under Phil laws, Parks is a natural born citizen.
So under his rules, does that mean guys like Castro or Abueva or even Pingris may be classified as Fil-Fors?
im not familiar with abueva, ping, and players ng pba now.. but if one of their parents are not pinoy at the time of their bith.. then yes theyre filfor..
again since this is a semi pro league, they can have their own rulings... wala naman yan kinaiba sa age 50 and above league, age 40 and above league wherein they have their own ruleset..
maybe in the future they will adjust their rules to fil foreigners if there is already a need.. for now i think they can afford to enforce their own rules kasi nga they have the following and target market.
sasabihin lang siguro nila, kung ayaw nyo sa amin kasi limited fil foreign players, e di sa pba kayo manood.
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I'm not sure why everyone wants to bring back the 80's and 90's of pinoy basketball (import height limits, no fil-foreigners, no foreign coaches, etc). Everyone has fond memories of it (me included) but the sad fact is that this was the era when Philippine basketball DECLINED internationally.
At a time when basketball leagues all over the world have far more global/relaxed roster prerequisites (see Europe, Middle-east leagues, and even communist China), we still want to stand by on our "full-blooded pinoys" only rule. And this height limit crap (6'4"??) is laughable even by high school and college basketball standards.
We may want to note that "full-blooded pinoys" genetically do not exist and are merely offshoots of legal technicalities. If we wanted it that way, we would not have seen players like Robert Jaworski and Ricardo Brown play.
Duremdes needs to move forward. We are not in 1995 anymore.
And btw, if someone challenges this MPBL policy at the Court of Arbitration for Sport, this league will get publicity it won't need. Besides, the CAS has ruled on cases like this many times and the results have always favored the player, not the league.
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I'm not sure why everyone wants to bring back the 80's and 90's of pinoy basketball (import height limits, no fil-foreigners, no foreign coaches, etc). Everyone has fond memories of it (me included) but the sad fact is that this was the era when Philippine basketball DECLINED internationally.
At a time when basketball leagues all over the world have far more global/relaxed roster prerequisites (see Europe, Middle-east leagues, and even communist China), we still want to stand by on our "full-blooded pinoys" only rule. And this height limit crap (6'4"??) is laughable even by high school and college basketball standards.
We may want to note that "full-blooded pinoys" genetically do not exist and are merely offshoots of legal technicalities. If we wanted it that way, we would not have seen players like Robert Jaworski and Ricardo Brown play.
Duremdes needs to move forward. We are not in 1995 anymore.
And btw, if someone challenges this MPBL policy at the Court of Arbitration for Sport, this league will get publicity it won't need. Besides, the CAS has ruled on cases like this many times and the results have always favored the player, not the league.
Might be OT.. but yep agree. even Tab Baldwin observes the following:-
Tab Baldwin believes local basketball coaching has become “relatively insular,” and when coaches search outside of the country to learn more about the game, they go Stateside instead of Europe.
Without trying to be too negative, I think that it’s somewhat immature. I think part of the reason that is is that I think the Philippines has cloistered itself in basketball terms,” Baldwin explained.
“You know, it had a period in the ’90s and early 2000s where it was outside of international basketball. You can go back in history and it was very involved in international basketball. It had a great reputation. But then what happened in the ’80s, ’90s, early 2000s is we became very insular and even in the PBA it’s not a league that brings in foreign coaches often . . .
“We’re relatively insular compared to other nations, and I think what that means is we don’t get the stimulus of knowledge or information and when we do look outside, where do we look? We look to the US, we look to the NBA, which is not really a reservoir of basketball knowledge.”
Baldwin added: “The NBA is dominated by talent, Europe is dominated by wisdom in basketball. So I think if you want to advance your intellect within the game, my advice is to look to you Europe, and that’s what I try to do.”
http://news.abs-cbn.com/sports/05/22/18/basketball-ateneo-coach-tab-baldwin-shares-his-thoughts-on-ph-coaching
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Mahirap ang position ni Duremdes right now. I believe all he wants is to establish balance in the league, but from the looks of it, he's
just making up rules as he goes. E.g. that height limit on fil-fors is idiotic, considering that even "pure" Pinoys nowadays are getting taller. Probably he should go back to the stakeholders and team owners and seek their help on which rules would be more effective.
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Mahirap ang position ni Duremdes right now. I believe all he wants is to establish balance in the league, but from the looks of it, he's
just making up rules as he goes. E.g. that height limit on fil-fors is idiotic, considering that even "pure" Pinoys nowadays are getting taller. Probably he should go back to the stakeholders and team owners and seek their help on which rules would be more effective.
yung limit sa filfor naman na 6'4 ay siguro para lang mabawasan yung reliance ng mga team sa filfor para manalo,or discourage nila yung mga team na umasa sa filfor since grass root program nga yung league nila at gusto mabigyan ng chance na makapaglaro yung hindi pinalad sa PBA. kung pure pinoy naman wala naman atang height limit. for me since bago pa lang yung liga, Ill give them few more season to fine tune their rules and regulation but I like their vision of giving chance to those athlete that didnot have enough "luck" in PBA. and masaya manood ng laban na merong home team, iba yung atmosphere pag sa bahay mo naglalaro or dayo lang hehehehehe.
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26 teams next season.. expect dadami pa yan as election season approaches... extra mileage rin yan..
then after 2019.. babagsak uli ang teams maybe 12 to 15max
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i think duremdes should review the philippine constitution. i assume that he attended his classes in college. as far as i can remember, ph constitution was part of the college curriculum, regardless of the course, during his time. part of article iv, section 1 says, the following are citizens of the philippines ... Those whose fathers or mothers are citizens of the Philippines;
further, a filipino citizen who marries an alien retains his or her filipino citizenship unless renounced.
from what i understand parks's mother was a filipino when he was born. parks is thus a natural born filipino, who is entitled to all rights due to filipinos. [unless parks renounced his filipino citizenship]
duremdes's act for me is no different from some catholic schools that deny enrollment to children whose parents aren't married in church--punishing a child for something he or she had no control of.
not a fan of parks. not even a basketball fan anymore, though i do read the results of the games.
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I won't be surprised if somehow Pacquiao (and his alipores) was the cause of all these nonsense rules. ;D
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i think duremdes should review the philippine constitution. i assume that he attended his classes in college. as far as i can remember, ph constitution was part of the college curriculum, regardless of the course, during his time. part of article iv, section 1 says, the following are citizens of the philippines ... Those whose fathers or mothers are citizens of the Philippines;
further, a filipino citizen who marries an alien retains his or her filipino citizenship unless renounced.
from what i understand parks's mother was a filipino when he was born. parks is thus a natural born filipino, who is entitled to all rights due to filipinos. [unless parks renounced his filipino citizenship]
duremdes's act for me is no different from some catholic schools that deny enrollment to children whose parents aren't married in church--punishing a child for something he or she had no control of.
not a fan of parks. not even a basketball fan anymore, though i do read the results of the games.
Like I said, it seems he's after league balance, something na nawawala na sa PBA. His heart is in the right place, but he has to work on the mechanics.
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I won't be surprised if somehow Pacquiao (and his alipores) was the cause of all these nonsense rules. ;D
pac is a senator, right?
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pac is a senator, right?
Yes.
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again its not about legality issues.. legally, parks is a filipino citizen. sa league technical rules sya na classify as filam. basically yan yung rules na gusto ng league kaya wala talagang magawa..
di naman yan naiba sa mba nun, nung 8 seconds to cross the halfcourt and the 3pt dunk..
simply said, its their league, so its their rules.
i agree the 6ft4 rule is a bit silly.. but then again.. its their league.. their rules
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I'm not sure why everyone wants to bring back the 80's and 90's of pinoy basketball (import height limits, no fil-foreigners, no foreign coaches, etc). Everyone has fond memories of it (me included) but the sad fact is that this was the era when Philippine basketball DECLINED internationally.
IMO, Philippine basketball declined because we tried to imitate the NBA too much. we ditched the international/amateur rules in favor of NBA rules. we relied too much on one on one moves, forgot about the zone, did not develop our shooters (which is very much needed to break the zone), etc. ok lang naman fil-for as they will elevate our level of play and forced our local players to play harder.
saka sabi naman ng Maharlika eh they will not compete with PBA (I think as of now), and I think their objective is to have that kind of league na parang larong barangay but on a much higher level. and maybe discover some talents that will help our national team.
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IMO, Philippine basketball declined because we tried to imitate the NBA too much. we ditched the international/amateur rules in favor of NBA rules. we relied too much on one on one moves, forgot about the zone, did not develop our shooters (which is very much needed to break the zone), etc. ok lang naman fil-for as they will elevate our level of play and forced our local players to play harder.
saka sabi naman ng Maharlika eh they will not compete with PBA (I think as of now), and I think their objective is to have that kind of league na parang larong barangay but on a much higher level. and maybe discover some talents that will help our national team.
Philippine hoops (pro, amateur, playground, etc) in general, has always patterned itself with the NBA-style of play ........ IMO it's more that we stayed stagnant while the rest of Asia developed their own (national team) programs and stuck with it.
Double-edged sword ang PBA ........ it's the face of Pinoy basketball, pero siya din ang isang malaking hadlang sa pag-develop nang international game natin.
Have to disagree a bit about developing shooters ......... IMO the real-ones are 'born' with it, starting really young.
It was only during Toroman that he purposely got wings who have decent shooting forms and have them shoot - mga converted shooters .......... Baracael, Ababou, Ramos, etc.
Bihirang-bihira na ang dead-shot .......... Caidic is hands-down the best we ever had.
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Yes.
<lips sealed>
Bihirang-bihira na ang dead-shot .......... Caidic is hands-down the best we ever had.
well, the late jun papa and jimmy mariano, among others were dead shots.
as for outside shooters getting rare, i can't help but feel that some don't bother to develop it because a jump shot rarely makes it to the play of the day or highlight reel.
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Have to disagree a bit about developing shooters ......... IMO the real-ones are 'born' with it, starting really young.
It was only during Toroman that he purposely got wings who have decent shooting forms and have them shoot - mga converted shooters .......... Baracael, Ababou, Ramos, etc.
Bihirang-bihira na ang dead-shot .......... Caidic is hands-down the best we ever had.
agree that shooters are born with it. but there are some players that have potential that we just need to develop. why not hire Chip Engelland or someone like him. kung si Ricky Rubio nga ngayon eh laki ng improvement sa shooting, when he came to the league eh he can't make a jumpshot to save his life.
Caidic-type of player is a once in a lifetime player. parang wala pa ako nakita ngayon or after he retired that comes close to being a dead-shot like him.
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as for outside shooters getting rare, i can't help but feel that some don't bother to develop it because a jump shot rarely makes it to the play of the day or highlight reel.
Yes, shooting doesn't usually make the highlight reels ......... outside of the Splash Bros these past few years.
Larong barangay pa lang kitang-kita na .......... halos lahat, shooting guard ang laro, gusto fastbreak at lay-up ang gawin.
Kapag may maka consecutive outside jumpers, madidinig mo na diyan "shooter yun, dikitan niyo na".
Like I said, it was Toroman who first attempted to put some Euro-style play with GILAS by developing/converting some wings into shooters ......... Baracael, Ababou, Ramos, etc.
Back to the MPBL ........ let's hope Duremdes and company, get their rules together real quick.
Parang gusto ko mag-buo nang team at sumali ........ Cubao Snatchers
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again its not about legality issues.. legally, parks is a filipino citizen. sa league technical rules sya na classify as filam. basically yan yung rules na gusto ng league kaya wala talagang magawa..
It's not necessarily a technical rule regarding the league or the sport of basketball. It's essentially a rule potentially preventing employment of qualified Filipino citizens.
They can't make up their own citizenship rules which supersede that of the citizenship laws of the country. They can't re-classify Parks' citizenship based on a rule which essentially infringes on his rights as a Filipino citizen just because he is half-black half-Filipino.
The MPBL, at the end of the day, is a business operating on Philippine soil so it must adhere to the laws of the land, including the laws regarding citizenship.
I'm not a lawyer so someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Like I said, it seems he's after league balance, something na nawawala na sa PBA. His heart is in the right place, but he has to work on the mechanics.
If he wants parity and equity in the league, he can start by not allowing San Miguel and PLDT to get a foothold in it. ;D
These ridiculous rules in the PBA did not end up with a balanced league so what makes him think that it will work in the MPBL?
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It's not necessarily a technical rule regarding the league or the sport of basketball. It's essentially a rule potentially preventing employment of qualified Filipino citizens.
They can't make up their own citizenship rules which supersede that of the citizenship laws of the country. They can't re-classify Parks' citizenship based on a rule which essentially infringes on his rights as a Filipino citizen just because he is half-black half-Filipino.
The MPBL, at the end of the day, is a business operating on Philippine soil so it must adhere to the laws of the land, including the laws regarding citizenship.
I'm not a lawyer so someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
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i read somewhere that they classify themselves as a small semi pro league ata.. and that being their argument, di daw sila under ng SBP, or PSC or any governing body? so hence they can play around with their own rules..
and maybe their argument is, the team can employ parks naman... but he cant play unless he is the sole fil-foreigner in that team. he can be part of the coaching staff or whatever..
which makes me think.. paano yung mga small commercial league?? are they also governed by a governing body?
but then again.. here's the news...
http://news.abs-cbn.com/sports/05/23/18/mpbl-ray-parks-sigurado-na-sa-mandaluyong-el-tigre
ang in question ata now is the other fil-foreigner na kampi ni parks..
here are more writeups on the supposed rule they are trying to uphold.
https://www.spin.ph/basketball/news/commissioner-kenneth-duremdes-open-to-controversial-mpbl-fil-foreign-rule-in-future-seasons
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If he wants parity and equity in the league, he can start by not allowing San Miguel and PLDT to get a foothold in it. ;D
These ridiculous rules in the PBA did not end up with a balanced league so what makes him think that it will work in the MPBL?
I'm the biggest PBA critic out there .......... but in fairness to the PBA, the 5-Fil-Am per team rule, did prove to be effective and stymied the influx of less-talented, yet much hyped Fil-Ams.
It also forced some teams to let go of their aging, yet still serviceable, Fil-Ams .......... of course, there's always a way to "go-around" these rules as SMCorp had farm-teams (AIR21, BARAKO, GLOBALPORT, etc) where they can stash picks, Fil-Ams, etc.
What clearly sunk the PBA boat are the unfair, unethical, illegal practices of both SMCorp & MVP teams ......... these covered salary cap violations, draft picks hoarding, maintaining farm teams, unfair trades, etc.
Duremdes' heart seems to be the in the right place, but his rules and restrictions are just too primitive and way-off.
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I'm the biggest PBA critic out there .......... but in fairness to the PBA, the 5-Fil-Am per team rule, did prove to be effective and stymied the influx of less-talented, yet much hyped Fil-Ams.
I would disagree on this one.
At the end of the day, it wasn't the policy which prevented low-tier fil-ams to come in, but rather the performance of a lot of Fil-Am busts who got picked in many 1st round PBA rookie drafts. Do you guys remember Kelani Ferreria, Denver Lopez, Migs Noble, and many others?
The policy which DID prevent low-level fil-for talent from making the PBA Draft is the requirement to have college basketball or D-League experience prior to joining the PBA.
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maybe next time the pba will also have a draft combine workout patterned like nba.
anyways.. hope mpbl and pba capture back the interest of thr pinous to local hoops
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I would disagree on this one.
At the end of the day, it wasn't the policy which prevented low-tier fil-ams to come in, but rather the performance of a lot of Fil-Am busts who got picked in many 1st round PBA rookie drafts. Do you guys remember Kelani Ferreria, Denver Lopez, Migs Noble, and many others?
The policy which DID prevent low-level fil-for talent from making the PBA Draft is the requirement to have college basketball or D-League experience prior to joining the PBA.
Of course, performance is always a factor .......... I do remember those names and how they played, particularly Migs Noble whom I mentioned in an earlier post in the thread.
Let's just say that if there wasn't this 5-FilAm rule, coaches like Tim Cone would stock his teams with Fil-Ams to the high heavens and won't care if Duremdes & Marlou Aquino protested.
This 5-FilAm rule basically made SMCorp teams optimize on the 5 Fil-Ams to retain.
Of course, SMCorp teams have other means to 'cheat' the league ........ but this 5 Fil-Am rule was a step in the right direction.
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si parks part yan ng fil am na di makapasok sa pba?
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si parks part yan ng fil am na di makapasok sa pba?
Parks is eligible, just didn't make himself available for the last PBA draft.
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yung haba ng laro di ba sobra haba? Parang 11 months ata mas mahaba pa sa NBA?
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opening day ng MPBL.magaling maglaro yung Sazon ng Marikina. Si Gerald Anderson nasa bench pero di naman nag laro.
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opening day ng MPBL.magaling maglaro yung Sazon ng Marikina. Si Gerald Anderson nasa bench pero di naman nag laro.
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May hamstring injury daw si GA... mahusay yung masaglang ng gensan..
May second game si rayray parks.. and bong go.. hahahaha
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Magaling nga parang yung player ng Magnolia si Jun Simon
May hamstring injury daw si GA... mahusay yung masaglang ng gensan..
May second game si rayray parks.. and bong go.. hahahaha
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Parang mas masarap nga manood nito... lakas ng puso
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Parang mas masarap nga manood nito... lakas ng puso
Wasn't able to watch the game but its entertaining di ba.. local vibe.. i heard f2 logistics is supporting paranaque team.. once they establish ruling on transfer of players, contracts, and eventually draft, kabahan na pba..
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12 MN di pa din tapos laban ng Muntinlupa at Manda.Ang gagaling ng player ng Munti tindi nung Moralde, Mangahas at Jaime
Si Parks parang primadonna maglaro pa ekek na feeling sya ang pinaka magaling sa MPBL.
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Kala ko ako lang nakapansin kay parks... parang angas diba? Pero baka ganun talaga itsura nya pag naglalaro?
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Kala ko ako lang nakapansin kay parks... parang angas diba? Pero baka ganun talaga itsura nya pag naglalaro?
hindi ganyan.napapanuod ko sya sa ABL eh. yung itsura at galaw nya parang sinasabi sa kalaban di ko kayo ka level. Parang yung varsity player na ginawang import sa inter baranggay kung maka asta
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http://www.foxsports.ph/basketball/mpbl/872730/ray-parks-says-mpbl-just-stepping-stone-for-him-they-dont-want-me-this-league/
wow.. kahiya naman sa kanya
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di ata sanay sa pisikal na laro or yung larong pang liga ng barangay(not saying na pang barangay lang level ng MPBL) hahahahhahaha. medyo maangas nga ang dating ni Parks.yung tipong kala niya siya na pinakamagaling.pero bat siya nagtitiyagang maglaro sa MPBL? hehe bat di siya maghanap ng ibang liga na kasing taas ng playing standard niya hehehehehehe.
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di ata sanay sa pisikal na laro or yung larong pang liga ng barangay(not saying na pang barangay lang level ng MPBL) hahahahhahaha. medyo maangas nga ang dating ni Parks.yung tipong kala niya siya na pinakamagaling.pero bat siya nagtitiyagang maglaro sa MPBL? hehe bat di siya maghanap ng ibang liga na kasing taas ng playing standard niya hehehehehehe.
either may hinihintay na team yan sa pba.. or baka ayaw kunin ng pba?
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someone please remind me the name of the player who was always whining about the physical contact during his time in the uaap.
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either may hinihintay na team yan sa pba.. or baka ayaw kunin ng pba?
most probably inaantay na may top pick yung team na nag-aalaga diyan para sure na makuha siya,baka nga naman masulot kagaya nung nangyari dati,na inalagaan nung isang team yung papasok na rookie tapos pagdating ng draft pick ibang team ang kumuha hahahahaha
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Puro offensive foul naman talaga yung ginawa nya eh.sa sobrang arte nya sa laro at feeling superstar akala nya papaboran sya. Di nga sya umubra kay Mangahas at Jaime
http://www.foxsports.ph/basketball/mpbl/872730/ray-parks-says-mpbl-just-stepping-stone-for-him-they-dont-want-me-this-league/
wow.. kahiya naman sa kanya
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di ata sanay sa pisikal na laro or yung larong pang liga ng barangay(not saying na pang barangay lang level ng MPBL) hahahahhahaha. medyo maangas nga ang dating ni Parks.yung tipong kala niya siya na pinakamagaling.pero bat siya nagtitiyagang maglaro sa MPBL? hehe bat di siya maghanap ng ibang liga na kasing taas ng playing standard niya hehehehehehe.
Di pa ito sumisikat mukhang palubog na.Parang ito ang maging most hated player sa MPBL
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kagabi nanood ako openning. kulit ng gensan na team. talagang gensan GSW. hahaha.
si gerald anderson dba marikina?? bakit naka pang casual lang sya kagabi? di sya naglalaro?
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kagabi nanood ako openning. kulit ng gensan na team. talagang gensan GSW. hahaha.
si gerald anderson dba marikina?? bakit naka pang casual lang sya kagabi? di sya naglalaro?
hamstring injury daw hehehee,duda ko pang hatak lang ng spectator yan pag may laro hehehehehe.para pati yung mga fans manood din kahit hindi naman talaga basketball fan :D :D :D
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hamstring injury daw hehehee,duda ko pang hatak lang ng spectator yan pag may laro hehehehehe.para pati yung mga fans manood din kahit hindi naman talaga basketball fan :D :D :D
true, pero mahusay ata talaga yan si GA.. but i dont think professional level.. baka semi pro.. like this.. o baka naman kasi di sya binabantayan sa mga nilalaruan nya... pero search mo sa youtube.. may kamay e.
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mahal siguro bayad sa kanya para lang makahatak ng manonood. siya pa team captain.
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true, pero mahusay ata talaga yan si GA.. but i dont think professional level.. baka semi pro.. like this.. o baka naman kasi di sya binabantayan sa mga nilalaruan nya... pero search mo sa youtube.. may kamay e.
yeah may nakita din akong video niya na naglalaro,marunong din naman, kumbaga papasa na varsity team A/B
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May kayabangan din kase
https://www.facebook.com/officialmpbl/
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galing pala ni Gerald. 0 points laban sa san juan. di pinag usapan ng mga fans nya. haha
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https://www.spin.ph/basketball/column_one/pacquiao-simply-doesnt-get-it-mpbl-rule-on-fil-foreigners-limit-discriminatory
It's hard not to agree with the article.
Pacquiao simply doesn't get it
From: Dodo Catacutan
AS a boxer who was without equal, Manny Pacquiao united Filipinos from all over the world with the power of his punches and the overflowing national pride stirred by his victories.
As a politician, he tears us apart by the carelessness of his words and the recklessness of his actions.
Pacquiao has largely been forgiven, even tolerated, for his cringe-worthy comments on a number of national issues. But the champion boxer just keeps stepping in and taking a stand that inevitably divides us.
Days ago, officials in a basketball league Pacquiao owns (eponymously named MPBL) enforced a rule limiting teams to only one Fil-foreign player who could be no taller than 6-foot-4. Meaning, any passport-bearing Filipino player with foreign blood, whether born here or overseas, has to fight for that one spot open in each of the MPBL's 26 teams.
And, should this Fil-foreigner happen to have been sired by a tall dad and had grown a shade over 6-feet-4, sorry na lang siya. That's it for him!
You'd think a two-term lawmaker and now senator of the Republic would be first to recognize that such a rule is plainly and simply discriminatory and would knock some sense into his minions' heads. Unfortunately, not.
Pacquiao not only stood by the rule but also justified it in the most insensitive manner, saying it's only right to keep out these players because "nasasapawan ang mga Pilipino," as though these Fil-foreigners weren't Filipinos.
Fans of both Pacquiao and the MPBL were quick to leap to his defense, saying the senator was only looking after the welfare of homegrown players with little chance to shine in a PBA teeming with Fil-foreign players. Besides, they crow, he owns the league and has all the right to enforce whatever rule he fancies.
His league, his rules, right?
Wrong.
No league, amateur or professional, big or small, can impose rules that trample on people's rights. Fil-foreigners, if Pacquiao bothers to read the constitution that he as senator has sworn to uphold, are guaranteed the same rights as every citizen of this country.
As for his belief that keeping Fil-foreigners out of his league can spur the development of homegrown players, Pacquiao needs only to be reminded that he couldn't have become tough enough to beat Dela Hoya and Cotto and Hatton had his handlers taken the same myopic attitude and cherry-picked his opponents early in his career.
It's time we stop the double standard when it comes to Fil-foreigners. We can't keep rooting for the Jasmine Triases then disown Fil-Ams in the next breath; we can't keep hoping to see Jordan Clarkson play for our national team yet bar Fil-foreigners from our own leagues.
I've been a sportswriter for three decades, and wherever this job has taken me, there have always been Filipinos happy to see a fellow Filipino. Yet I know that these countrymen, wherever they are, inevitably deal with discrimination, in some form or degree, and bear these silently.
That explains why the most ardent Pacquiao fans are likely based overseas. Because, by cheering for the legendary Pacman as he beats the crap out of every foreign opponent, our foreign-based kababayans are, in fact, rooting for Pacquiao to win their battles for them.
I myself lived and worked in Hong Kong for seven years, and one of my proudest moments there came in 2009 when I giddily walked inside a newsroom filled with British workmates, the afternoon after Pacquiao knocked cold a feared brawler from Manchester named Ricky Hatton.
But I, too, have seen discrimination against our kababayans in a foreign land. I know how it feels. It makes you angry. It diminishes your faith in people. It tears at your soul.
I can only imagine the hurt that a Fil-foreigner feels when he is discriminated against in his own land.
Read more at https://www.spin.ph/basketball/column_one/pacquiao-simply-doesnt-get-it-mpbl-rule-on-fil-foreigners-limit-discriminatory
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Game-fixing. And it's MP's home province, too.
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May strict rules ang mpbl re fil foreign players. only 1 fil foreign players per team. And the rules on describing fil foreign itself is strict. Ex bobby ray parks jr is considered fil foreign. Basta if 1 of your parents are not filipino citizen when you were born, youre considered fil-foreign... dapat talaga both parents are filipino when you are born. Actually inaappeal to ni parks, but i dont think uubra appeal nya. Rules are rules. Bawal rin dito naturalized foreinger.
Yes mpbl is interesting league and para syang mba v2.. i believe the founders of this league has learned from the mistakes of mba. They will probably monitor the salary cap strictly. And maganda dito, its a semi commercial league (team co ownership) with location/regional ties, so andun parin ang pride of each team when they play home court. Win win kumbaga.
Salary base is really controlled... ( think of this as a better d league) ..i think malabo lumipat dito mga major players mg pba.. which was the mistake of mba when they first launched..( they wanted to compete with pba head to head, so they offered big salaries directly to the players just to play in this league)... now i see the league actually not afraid to have its own identity and market.. which is good.
Mas masarap intensity ng mga laro dito..
malabong lumipat mga PBA players na sikat pa sa league na to. MPBL is still considered as amateur league with a maximum of 40,000php a month. unlike sa PBA 40,000 minimum. star player ng MPBL katumbas lang ng sahod sa bangko ng PBA.