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DVD Forum => DVD-ROM & DVD Backup => Topic started by: firewired on Aug 01, 2004 at 10:51 AM
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You need to download DVDInfoPro (http://www.dvdinfopro.com) for reading the DVD+R's media code. Additionally, you can use the software to test for drive speed and possible media errors.
If you want to cross-reference your findings with other users, visit VideoHelp.com (http://www.videohelp.com/dvdmedia). They run a fairly comprehensive database of branded and generic media ratings. Please note that even if certain DVD+Rs have the same brand/make, chances are you're testing discs from different batches so results may vary greatly from country to country.
In reporting media performance, please state the following:
1. Media code
2. Physical description of the disc
3. Place of purchase
4. Price per piece
5. Claimed burn speed and the speed you burned at
6. DVDInfoPro media test for read errors
7. Test platforms (DVD-ROM and standalone players)
8. Notes (if any)
To see a sample post, please visit the related DVD-R thread (http://www.pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=25648.0).
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BRANDED DVD+R: TDK DVD+R 4X"
1. CMC MAG F01
2. Silver writeable with TDK name and logo.
3. US
4. Price: - - - - - - -
5. Burn rate: - - - - - - -
6. Not tested for errors using DVDInfoPro
7. Successful playback on:
* File Access worked on LITE-ON dvd-rom.
* Played on Philips DVP-642 stand-alone player
8. Notes: - - - - - - -
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Branded DVD+R: Phillips DVD+R 4x
1. n/a
2. gold with black text, Phillips logo
3. n/a
4. P80
5. 4x
6. Not tested with DVD InfoPro but was verified by Nero write verification feature
7. Succesful Playback on various Yamaha & Pioneer DVD players
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IOMEGA DVD+R
1. Media code - CMC MAG F01
2. Physical description of the disc - violet & white, iomega logo
3. Place of purchase - CD-R King Eastwood
4. Price per piece - P25.00
5. Claimed burn speed and the speed you burned at - claimed 4x; burned at 4x
6. DVDInfoPro media test for read errors - no read errors as per DVDInfoPro
7. Test platforms - tested on Lite-On drive and Pioneer 270 player
8. Notes - Burned with Lite-On SOHW 1653S; disc Book Type changed to DVD-ROM using Lite-On Book Type Utility v. 1.3.3
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RIDATA DVD+R
1. Media code - RITEK R03
2. Physical description of the disc - aquamarine & light aquamarine, "RIDATA always right...." logo
3. Place of purchase - CD-R King Eastwood
4. Price per piece - P35.00
5. Claimed burn speed and the speed you burned at - claimed 8x; burned at 8x
6. DVDInfoPro media test - no read errors
7. Test platforms - tested on Lite-On drive and Pioneer 270 player
8. Notes - Burned with Lite-On SOHW 1653S; disc Book Type changed to DVD-ROM using Lite-On Book Type Utility v. 1.3.3
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BENQ DVD+R
1. Media code - DAXON AZ1
2. Physical description of the disc - white & purple, "BENQ" logo
3. Place of purchase - CD-R King Eastwood
4. Price per piece - P25.00
5. Claimed burn speed and the speed you burned at - claimed 4x; burned at 4x
6. Nero DVDSpeed Scandisc - no read errors
7. Test platforms - tested on Lite-On drive, Pioneer 270 and Pioneer 366 players
8. Notes - Burned with Lite-On SOHW 1653S; disc Book Type changed to DVD-ROM using Lite-On Book Type Utility v. 1.3.3
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RIDATA DVD+R 4X
Media Code: RITEKR02
Physical Description:
(http://img145.exs.cx/img145/6200/dvdrridataritekr021gf.jpg)
Purchased at CD-R King Ayala Cebu for Php25.00/DVD
Rated @4X, burned @4X using a Lite-on LDW-411S
Media test: No read errors
Additional Test (K-Probe BLER Scan)
(http://img145.exs.cx/img145/1386/dvdrridataritekr02bler6gb.png)
Additional Test (Nero CD-DVD Speed Transfer Rate Test)
(http://img176.exs.cx/img176/7785/dvdrridataritekr02transfer6wo.png)
Test platforms:
- Successful read on Lite-On LDW-411S
- Successful read on Hitachi GCC-4160N
- Successful playback on Samsung DVD-P248A standalone
Notes: Bitset to DVD-ROM so read is a bit faster
EDIT: Added playback compatibility with Samsung standalone
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RIDATA DVD+R 4X
Media Code: RITEKR02
Physical Description:
(http://img145.exs.cx/img145/6200/dvdrridataritekr021gf.jpg)
Bilib ako dati sa media na ito, pero hindi na ngayon.
Nagha-hang kasi ito sa Pioneer 355 standalone.
Ang RITEK R03 naman (+R, 8x, P35. each), "No Disc" sa Pioneer 366 when burned at 8x, although OK naman when burned at 4x.
Dahil laging rave reviews ang Ritek/Ridata sa mga message forums ng mga kano, akala ko magaling talaga ito. Hindi rin naman pala. Well... to each his own siguro. What works well for one might not work well for another.
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i have yet to try this disc on a standalone but in the cdfreaks forum, they mentioned this media is highly variable. there's a possibility u might get a batch which doesn't work well. so far, i'm getting good burns on this media with a smooth reading curve. the -R 4X (RITEKG04), however, doesn't work well for me.
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Hindi naman siguro batch problem.
Ang totoo, I ALWAYS get a good burn on RIDATAs. Nero Transfer Rate Test ALWAYS shows a very smooth curve (similar to your graph on Reply #6 above), even smoother than some of my CMC 8x burns. Ang problema, sablay sa standalone.
Kahit gaanong kaganda pa ang maging resulta ng burn sa mga test utilities, kung palyado naman ang play sa standalone ko, wala rin.
At any rate, if the R02 works well for you, then I'm happy for you, my friend. To each his own.
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i see. i'll give this media a try on my standalone. i'm planning to use this media only for data backup since i use the CMC -R for movie backups. thanks for the warning tho.
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update on RITEKR02: i burned 2 movies using this media and both played smooth on a standalone samsung dvd-p248a. so i guess in my case, i could also use this media for movie backups :) however, both were burnt using RITEKR02@YUDEN000T02 strategy swap on my FW so i think this could also be a factor
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RITEKR02@YUDEN000T02 strategy swap on my FW
idlewind ano 2 ?
may mga style pala ang burn teach us pls...
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it's actually a tweak to improve your burn on a specific media. the firmware of your writer has its own list of supported media (including the speed) and its corresponding write strategy. sometimes, the write strategy for a given media isn't good and replacing it with another strategy might improve the burn.
there are unofficial firmware for the NEC drives which already contain such tweaks. for Lite-on and BenQ drives, you can modify your firmware manually using patchers like OmniPatcher and MCSE. these are the only drives i know of
however, be warned that doing so voids the warranty of your drive and may render it useless in the event of a misflash
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are the r020 dvd+r any good? i bought it recently from cdrking, just want some feedbacks on it when used as dvd-video and burned at 4x
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are the r020 dvd+r any good? i bought it recently from cdrking, just want some feedbacks on it when used as dvd-video and burned at 4x
so far wala pang paltos yung mga backups ko when i used that. Pro pag +r na cheap ang ok is yung CMC-MAG-F01 (HP 8x) or PRODISC-R04-04 (Iomega 8x). 25 bucks a pop lang. Too bad out of stock na yung HP
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OT: i've observed lately there are problems with the availability of DVD media in CDR-King. here in Cebu, all outlets have run out of stocks. it seems they haven't had any re-stock lately. been checking for 3 weeks now :(
how's the situation there in Manila?
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may mga bagong stocks ang CDRKing tho walang restock ng HP, Philips and Ridata but may mga restock ng Iomega 8x (both + and -) and meron silang Sony ngayon na media tho may pagkamahal, 30 bucks each 8x +/- and a lot of cheap + and - media with 8x speeds
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thanks for the info. these are also the same stocks we have at our local CDRKing. been really waiting for a re-stock of RiDATA and BenQ DVD+R discs
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may mga bagong stocks ang CDRKing tho walang restock ng HP, Philips and Ridata but may mga restock ng Iomega 8x (both + and -) and meron silang Sony ngayon na media tho may pagkamahal, 30 bucks each 8x +/- and a lot of cheap + and - media with 8x speeds
sir, have you tried Philips and Sony brands? ok din ba sila for backups?
thanks!
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havent tried pa yung philips na +/-r pro pareho lang ata sila ng media code ng HP and IOMEGA. Yung sony naman ibang media code and medyo anemic IMHO yung dye. And at 30 bucks each id rather get the IOMEGA ones
Yung Philips na nasubukan ko is yung +RW and DVD+RDL pa lang nila. Yung +RW nila ilang beses ko nang pinatungan ok pa din both on my console and DVD player. Yung DL naman ng Philips ok din after i burned a game there. Bad trip nga lang coz 2.4x sha.. it takes a while to finish burning. Buti sana kung at least 4x man lang hehehehe
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sir, thanks for the fast reply!
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havent tried pa yung philips na +/-r pro pareho lang ata sila ng media code ng HP and IOMEGA. Yung sony naman ibang media code and medyo anemic IMHO yung dye. And at 30 bucks each id rather get the IOMEGA ones
Yung Philips na nasubukan ko is yung +RW and DVD+RDL pa lang nila. Yung +RW nila ilang beses ko nang pinatungan ok pa din both on my console and DVD player. Yung DL naman ng Philips ok din after i burned a game there. Bad trip nga lang coz 2.4x sha.. it takes a while to finish burning. Buti sana kung at least 4x man lang hehehehe
DVD+RDL? You mean dual layer media? Where'd you get this and how much?
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havent tried pa yung philips na +/-r pro pareho lang ata sila ng media code ng HP and IOMEGA. Yung sony naman ibang media code and medyo anemic IMHO yung dye. And at 30 bucks each id rather get the IOMEGA ones
Yung Philips na nasubukan ko is yung +RW and DVD+RDL pa lang nila. Yung +RW nila ilang beses ko nang pinatungan ok pa din both on my console and DVD player. Yung DL naman ng Philips ok din after i burned a game there. Bad trip nga lang coz 2.4x sha.. it takes a while to finish burning. Buti sana kung at least 4x man lang hehehehe
the HP and Philips they used to supply have MIDs of CMC MAG AE1 (DVD-R 8x) and CMC MAG E01 (DVD+R 8x).
and the Iomega DVD+R 8x have an MID of PRODISC R04 (which is a 16x DVD+R id)
but i couldn't even get it to burn at 8x on an LG 4163B writer.
the Sony that they have at the moment have MIDs of SONY08D1 (DVD-R 8x) and SONY D11 (DVD+R 8x). accdg to videohelp.com, the SONY08D1 are of higher quality and better than those CMC and Ritek discs. so although Sony's dye arent much darker than say CMC Magnetics or Riteks, it doesn't mean they are inferior.
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Hmm, I've tried Iomega 8x DVD+R and they are identified as CMC disks (I don't remember the exact designation). I've had some problems but these may be due to the problems I've been having with my external drive enclosure.
I'm trying out the Sony 8x disks as well. So far so good. For both however, I think my average burn speed hasn't gone beyond 4x using a Sony DRU-720 writer in a USB2 external enclosure.
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and the Iomega DVD+R 8x have an MID of PRODISC R04 (which is a 16x DVD+R id)
but i couldn't even get it to burn at 8x on an LG 4163B writer.
i recently upgraded to this burner and it allows 16X burn speed for the iomega DVD+R 8X (PRODISCR04). but due to my USB enclosure's low transfer rate (7MBps), i can only burn these @4X. what firmware are you using btw? mine's currently A104.
the Sony that they have at the moment have MIDs of SONY08D1 (DVD-R 8x) and SONY D11 (DVD+R 8x). accdg to videohelp.com, the SONY08D1 are of higher quality and better than those CMC and Ritek discs. so although Sony's dye arent much darker than say CMC Magnetics or Riteks, it doesn't mean they are inferior.
it also depends on how well supported this media is in your drive. AFAIK, the LG GSA-4163B can burn the SONYD11 and SONY08D1 with great results :) still have to try it myself. i'll post some scans after i run some tests.
Hmm, I've tried Iomega 8x DVD+R and they are identified as CMC disks (I don't remember the exact designation). I've had some problems but these may be due to the problems I've been having with my external drive enclosure.
I'm trying out the Sony 8x disks as well. So far so good. For both however, I think my average burn speed hasn't gone beyond 4x using a Sony DRU-720 writer in a USB2 external enclosure.
a tip for those who have their burners in an external enclosure. run the Nero CD-DVD Speed under Nero's Toolkit, insert a disc on your drive and hit F6 (or Run Test ->Burst Rate from menu). check the reported burst rate. this will give an idea on the transfer speed of your drive. Refer to this (http://www.osta.org/technology/dvdqa/dvdqa4.htm) for the maximum speed you can burn at.
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BenQ DVD+R 4X
Media Code: DAXONAZ1
Physical Description:
(http://img198.echo.cx/img198/6408/dvdrbenqdaxonaz13by.th.jpg) (http://img198.echo.cx/my.php?image=dvdrbenqdaxonaz13by.jpg)
Purchased at CD-R King Ayala Cebu for Php25.00/DVD
Rated @4X, burned @4X using an LG GSA-4163B
Media test: No read errors
Additional Test (K-Probe BLER Scan)
(http://img95.echo.cx/img95/4336/dvdrbenqdaxonaz1gsa4163ba1043d.png)
Test platforms:
- Successful read on Lite-On SOHW-812S
- Successful read on LG GSA-4163B
Notes: Bitset to DVD-ROM so read is a bit faster
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i recently upgraded to this burner and it allows 16X burn speed for the iomega DVD+R 8X (PRODISCR04). but due to my USB enclosure's low transfer rate (7MBps), i can only burn these @4X. what firmware are you using btw? mine's currently A104.
my drive's with A103 only because when i upgraded to A104, it would fail writing to Ritek 4x DVD+Rs which i had lots in stock back then, although it writes okay to the cheaper Premium 4x DVD-Rs. so i flash backed. it could be because my drive is old (Dec 2004 batch with A100 firmware).
i have also tasted those Benqs 4x DVD+Rs (it came in cases which was a bonus).
it looks like a good media based on your scans. (i don't currently have a scanning drive to test media quality). too bad wala na akong makita sa cdrking (megamall / fairview)
pa-post naman po ng SONY08D1 / SONY D11 scans =)
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my drive's with A103 only because when i upgraded to A104, it would fail writing to Ritek 4x DVD+Rs which i had lots in stock back then, although it writes okay to the cheaper Premium 4x DVD-Rs. so i flash backed. it could be because my drive is old (Dec 2004 batch with A100 firmware).
do you mean the RiDATA 4X DVD+R (RITEKR02)? this seems to work well on my LG. here's a scan on the first burn with this media. so far, looking great :D
(http://img95.echo.cx/img95/8172/dvdrridataritekr02gsa4163ba104.png)
i have also tasted those Benqs 4x DVD+Rs (it came in cases which was a bonus).
it looks like a good media based on your scans. (i don't currently have a scanning drive to test media quality). too bad wala na akong makita sa cdrking (megamall / fairview)
so far, the BenQ 4X DVD+R works well on both my Lite-on LDW-411S and my LG GSA-4163B drives. the included case also makes it more attractive than other media of the same price range. too bad it's been out of stocks for weeks already.
pa-post naman po ng SONY08D1 / SONY D11 scans =)
went out hoping to buy these blanks but unfortunately they're also out of stock. guess the scans will have to wait for a while.
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Iomega DVD+R 8X
Media Code: PRODISCR04 / CMC MAGE01
Physical Description:
(http://img287.echo.cx/img287/303/dvdriomegaprodiscr045an.th.jpg) (http://img287.echo.cx/my.php?image=dvdriomegaprodiscr045an.jpg)
Purchased at CD-R King Ayala Cebu for Php25.00/DVD
Rated @8X, PRODISCR04 detected @16X max, CMC MAGE01 detected @8X max
Burned only @4X using an LG GSA-4163B due to USB enclosure limitation
Media test: No read errors
K-Probe BLER Scan (PRODISCR04)
(http://img95.echo.cx/img95/7595/dvdriomegaprodiscr04gsa4163ba1.png)
K-Probe BLER Scan (CMC MAGE01)
(http://img267.echo.cx/img267/10/dvdriomegacmcmage01gsa4163ba10.png)
Test platforms:
- Successful read on Lite-On SOHW-812S
- Successful read on LG GSA-4163B
- Successful read on BenQ DW1620
Notes: This media comes in two batches, one with the PRODISCR04 MID and the other with CMC MAGE01
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i recently upgraded to this burner and it allows 16X burn speed for the iomega DVD+R 8X (PRODISCR04). but due to my USB enclosure's low transfer rate (7MBps), i can only burn these @4X. what firmware are you using btw? mine's currently A104.
it also depends on how well supported this media is in your drive. AFAIK, the LG GSA-4163B can burn the SONYD11 and SONY08D1 with great results :) still have to try it myself. i'll post some scans after i run some tests.
a tip for those who have their burners in an external enclosure. run the Nero CD-DVD Speed under Nero's Toolkit, insert a disc on your drive and hit F6 (or Run Test ->Burst Rate from menu). check the reported burst rate. this will give an idea on the transfer speed of your drive. Refer to this (http://www.osta.org/technology/dvdqa/dvdqa4.htm) for the maximum speed you can burn at.
I see. Do you have any suggestions as to what type/brand of enclosure will allow burning at the dvd-writer's rated speeds, or at least higher than the 4xmax I am getting now from my enclosure?
Thanks!
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i can't really give suggestions since i've only used one brand. yung That's na enclosure ko is only 7Mbps lang for your info.
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Thanks. Mine is the Matrix enclosure with the bag. I tried your suggestion and the burst speed is only 7Mbps also.
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@idlewild
I just got the lg gsa-5163d, i think it's the external version of the lg 4163. What 8x and up dvd+/-r brands work well with lg? How do you test for disk quality--the disc quality test of nero cd-dvd speed appears to be disabled for this drive.
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Based from different articles sa net about dvd medias, one of the best na gamitin is yung may media code na MMC. Natry ko na gumamit nitong MMC na to 6 pesos ata isa sa cdr king yung design nya plain white na may mga clover leaves na nak emboss ok naman, dvd+r siya. Para matest mo, bili ka tigi tigisa nung mga generic na dvdr sa cdr king or kung saan man tapos test burn mo lahat then decide kung alin ang pinakaok sa writer mo.
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@gaol:
LG drives currently don't support PI/PIE scanning like the ones you see on BenQ, Lite-on, Plextoor and some NEC and Pioneer drives. the best you can get are the transfer rate and scandisc tests.
as for media, i've been having good results with the iomega 8X DVD+R. here's a review on the GSA-5163D (http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/191) showing its performance on various media. this might help you decide on what media to use for your drive
@vinnov4:
MMC is a good media. however, i have to say those P6 blanks you get CDR-king are fakes as i've also tried them and the scans don't look good and are far from the real thing (in comparison to those i see on the internet). if you want to go for branded ones, get the Verbatim discs.
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@gaol:
LG drives currently don't support PI/PIE scanning like the ones you see on BenQ, Lite-on, Plextoor and some NEC and Pioneer drives. the best you can get are the transfer rate and scandisc tests.
as for media, i've been having good results with the iomega 8X DVD+R. here's a review on the GSA-5163D (http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/191) showing its performance on various media. this might help you decide on what media to use for your drive
@vinnov4:
MMC is a good media. however, i have to say those P6 blanks you get CDR-king are fakes as i've also tried them and the scans don't look good and are far from the real thing (in comparison to those i see on the internet). if you want to go for branded ones, get the Verbatim discs.
Thanks for the input, vinnov4 and idlewild.
I purchased several disks each of ridata +r/-r 8X, and Philips +r/-r 8X, last night to do some tests also. I guess I'll have to hang on to my Sony DRU-720a during my informal testing to get some disk quality readings before selling it.
I've burned some Sony 8X DVD+R disks with the LG and so far, the results don't seem to be good (surprising since I think you mentioned that feedback for them is good). I've run out of Iomega disks and CDR-King is also out. Hopefully, they will restock soon.
BTW, idlewild, would you recommend flashing the LG drive to A104 RPC1 (its factory firmware is A104 RPC2) to get rid of the region coding? I've been using an older version of AnyDVD and it seems to be working fine.
Thanks again and cheers!
GAOL
P.S. The burst rate of the external LG is 22MB/s for USB2 and 26MB/s for firewire (might be faster if not daisy-chained with a firewire hard disk?), just in case you guys wanted to know.
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I've burned some Sony 8X DVD+R disks with the LG and so far, the results don't seem to be good (surprising since I think you mentioned that feedback for them is good). I've run out of Iomega disks and CDR-King is also out. Hopefully, they will restock soon.
could you please post some scans on this media? i have yet to try it on my LG, but according to a review made in cdfreaks, both Sony +R and -R media have good results.
BTW, idlewild, would you recommend flashing the LG drive to A104 RPC1 (its factory firmware is A104 RPC2) to get rid of the region coding? I've been using an older version of AnyDVD and it seems to be working fine.
Thanks again and cheers!
GAOL
i haven't tried the RPC1 firmware for A104 since i'm already contented with its current firmware (also @ A104). since you're not having any problems with region coding, i'd suggest you stick with it.
P.S. The burst rate of the external LG is 22MB/s for USB2 and 26MB/s for firewire (might be faster if not daisy-chained with a firewire hard disk?), just in case you guys wanted to know.
wish i have an enclosure like yours :)
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could you please post some scans on this media? i have yet to try it on my LG, but according to a review made in cdfreaks, both Sony +R and -R media have good results.
i haven't tried the RPC1 firmware for A104 since i'm already contented with its current firmware (also @ A104). since you're not having any problems with region coding, i'd suggest you stick with it.
wish i have an enclosure like yours :)
I'll see what I can do with the scans and will probably do some more burns. I haven't tried screen capturing in a long long while so I don't know what app to use now for winxp. Suggestions?
I went around looking for a good combo enclosure but I didn't find any. All I could find were USB enclosures in the same inexpensive price range as Thats, and Matrix, so I assumed their burst speeds would be limited also (none of them indicated these specs in their boxes). Ordering online would have cost probably as much as the external writer, maybe even more with shipping so I decided just to get the LG.
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I'll see what I can do with the scans and will probably do some more burns. I haven't tried screen capturing in a long long while so I don't know what app to use now for winxp. Suggestions?
if you're using Nero CD-DVD Speed for quality scans, you can just press the diskette button at the title bar to save the result in PNG format. the same also goes if you're using KProbe.
I went around looking for a good combo enclosure but I didn't find any. All I could find were USB enclosures in the same inexpensive price range as Thats, and Matrix, so I assumed their burst speeds would be limited also (none of them indicated these specs in their boxes). Ordering online would have cost probably as much as the external writer, maybe even more with shipping so I decided just to get the LG.
i think you made the right decision getting the LG :) most USB enclosures in the local market aren't performing as much as the specs stated. i just hope someone could prove me wrong
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@vinnov4:
MMC is a good media. however, i have to say those P6 blanks you get CDR-king are fakes as i've also tried them and the scans don't look good and are far from the real thing (in comparison to those i see on the internet). if you want to go for branded ones, get the Verbatim discs.
I haven't used the dvd+r clover embossed P6 yet, but my friend says it's quite good (by the way it's P8 not 6) and when you'll look at the disc's manufacturer id, it says Verbatim, I also wanted to try the that disc but it's out of stock.
However I've been using the CD Square Studio brand DVD+R 8x for P9, though LG doesn't burn it at 8x as it is forced to be burned at 4x, so far I have burned quite a few into this disc, and it is quite good. Anyone has a head's up if this disc is really good?
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OT ;D
About enclosures, maybe you guys would like to try the ide to usb converter. Exactly the same purpose as an enclosure pero ito wire lang siya and power supply. Good side is you can use it for your dvd drives and hard disks, just plug and play. Bad is you dont have an enclosure. Mahal kase yung enclosure e lalo na yung puwede pang hd and dvd drive. Shineshare ko lang, he he!
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UPDATE!!
DO NOT BUY RIDATA DVD+R
Almost all of my disc here bought yesterday has problems on burning d disc causing numerous problems.. or the cd coasters...
media code
RITEK R03
writer
PLEXTOR 708-A
RATING..
0/10!!
damn bakit ba pumapalit cla ng pinangbebentahan nilang cd.. are they insane?? this causes confusion!!..
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UPDATE!!
DO NOT BUY RIDATA DVD+R
Almost all of my disc here bought yesterday has problems on burning d disc causing numerous problems.. or the cd coasters...
media code
RITEK R03
writer
PLEXTOR 708-A
RATING..
0/10!!
d**n bakit ba pumapalit cla ng pinangbebentahan nilang cd.. are they insane?? this causes confusion!!..
I would agree also for both LG5163d and sony dru-720 writers.
Watch out as well for Philips 8X DVD+R--they are Ritek03 discs at heart--at least the batch of five that I got from CDR King Megamall last week.
Over the weekend I tested the following on my external LG5163d: Sony 8X DVD+R (DVD11), Philips 8X DVD+R (Ritek03 and an unnamed disk), Philips 8X DVD-R (Fujifilm03), Ritek 8X DVD+R, Ritek 8X DVD-R (RitekG05).
I got the best results from Philips/Fujifilm03 8X DVD-R and the RitekG05 8X DVD-R. The Sony DVD11 8X DVD+R was not as good, but the results are acceptable and slightly better than my initial results (maybe because I now connected/daisy-chained both the LG and external HD by firewire instead of HD-firewire and LG-USB).
I don't have an image hosting facility so I can't post the screenshots of Nero CD-DVD, but I can send them to those interested in confirming my results.
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@vinnov4: i've also seen these IDE to USB2 adapters and the good thing is, they're quite inexpensive. i'd like to buy one but i'd like to be sure if it the transfer speed can support 16X writing for a DVD. could you please post the reported burst rate of your drive which uses this adapter? please refer to post #25 of this thread for info on how to get the burst rate.
@snapy: i haven't used RITEKR03 but i must say have no problems with the RITEKR02 discs from RiDATA. i've been using the latter for almost all of my backups and fortunately, all data are still readable even after a couple of months. i'm using both a Lite-on LDW-411S and an LG GSA-4163B. IMHO, not all RiDATA DVD+Rs are really that bad.
@gaol: you can use imageshack's hosting (http://imageshack.us) for the images. i would really love to see those scans :)
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SONY 8X DVD+R (DVD11) SCANS on External LG5163D @ 8X
(http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/9351/lg5163dsonyd1115july200516251z.png)
1st test, Jpeg images, LG on USB2, external HD on firewire
(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5973/lg5163dsonyd11test215july20051.png)
2nd test, JPEG images, LG and external HD daisy-chained on firewire (PC>HD>LG)
(http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/3632/lg5163dsonyd11videotest17july2.png)
3rd test, DVD-video, LG and external HD daisy-chained on firewire (PC>HD>LG)
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PHILIPS 8X DVD+R (unnamed, RITEKR03) SCANS on External LG5163D @ 8X
(http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/5450/lg5163dphilipsplustest115july2.png)
1st test, JPEG images, LG and external HD daisy-chained on firewire (PC>HD>LG)
(http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/6212/lg5163dphilips8xrritek03videot.png)
2nd test, DVD-video, LG and external HD daisy-chained on firewire (PC>HD>LG)
ON Sony DRU-720a in external enclosure
(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/6692/sonydru720aphilips8xrritek0317.png)
DVD-video, Sony on USB2, external HD on firewire
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PHILIPS 8X DVD-R (FUJIFILM03) SCANS on External LG5163D @ 8X
(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/1732/lg5163dphilipsfujifilm8xrtest1.png)
1st test, JPEG images, LG and external HD daisy-chained on firewire (PC>HD>LG)
(http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/8595/lg5163dphilips8xrfujifilm03tes.png)
2nd test, DVD-video, LG and external HD daisy-chained on firewire (PC>HD>LG)
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RITEK 8X DVD-R (RITEKG05) SCANS on External LG5163D @ 8X
(http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/8337/lg5163dritek8xrtest1a16july200.png)
1st test, JPEG images, LG and external HD daisy-chained on firewire (PC>HD>LG)
(http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/597/lg5163dritek8xrg05testvideo17j.png)
2nd test, DVD-video, LG and external HD daisy-chained on firewire (PC>HD>LG)
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RITEK 8X DVD+R SCANS on External LG5163D @ 8X
(http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/4674/lg5163dritek8xrtest116july2005.png)
1st test, JPEG images, LG and external HD daisy-chained on firewire (PC>HD>LG)
(http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/3140/lg5163dritek8xrvideotest17july.png)
2nd test, DVD-video, LG and external HD daisy-chained on firewire (PC>HD>LG)
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thanks for the scans :) based on your posts, the LG seem to favor the FUJIFILM03 and the RITEKG05 as you previously noted. the DVD11 is an acceptable scan, despite the higher PIF values. the RITEKR03 would have given a good quality scan if not for the high spikes at the beginning. your 3rd burn (with the Sony writer), however, is acceptable. also do a transfer rate test on this media to check if there are no readability problems.
another thing, when you do a quality scan on your Sony, you need to select 4X speed as reading in maximum speed introduces more errors. you can also use K-Probe for scanning as it's meant for Lite-on drives and its rebadges.
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@vinnov4: i've also seen these IDE to USB2 adapters and the good thing is, they're quite inexpensive. i'd like to buy one but i'd like to be sure if it the transfer speed can support 16X writing for a DVD. could you please post the reported burst rate of your drive which uses this adapter? please refer to post #25 of this thread for info on how to get the burst rate.
@snapy: i haven't used RITEKR03 but i must say have no problems with the RITEKR02 discs from RiDATA. i've been using the latter for almost all of my backups and fortunately, all data are still readable even after a couple of months. i'm using both a Lite-on LDW-411S and an LG GSA-4163B. IMHO, not all RiDATA DVD+Rs are really that bad.
@gaol: you can use imageshack's hosting (http://imageshack.us) for the images. i would really love to see those scans :)
yes i know.. since dati ridata gamit ko sa lahat.. +R and -R.. d only problem bat biglang namimili tong writer ko na plextor.. any anwsers?
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thanks for the scans :) based on your posts, the LG seem to favor the FUJIFILM03 and the RITEKG05 as you previously noted. the DVD11 is an acceptable scan, despite the higher PIF values. the RITEKR03 would have given a good quality scan if not for the high spikes at the beginning. your 3rd burn (with the Sony writer), however, is acceptable. also do a transfer rate test on this media to check if there are no readability problems.
another thing, when you do a quality scan on your Sony, you need to select 4X speed as reading in maximum speed introduces more errors. you can also use K-Probe for scanning as it's meant for Lite-on drives and its rebadges.
Thanks for the feedback idlewild.
I rescanned the Ritek DVD+R, Philips/RitekR03 DVD+R, and Sony DVD+R DVD11 at 4x as you suggested. You were right, the Philips RitekR03 got ratings of 90+, and the Sony disks also improved. The Ritek DVD+R (no identification as to whether it's also R03) still failed the test.
Given the results, I'm thinking of sticking to the Philips/Fujifilm DVD-R and RitekG05 DVD-R for data backup since they gave excellent results even at 8x scanning. (By the way, they it took both of them over 8 minutes to burn the video disk compared to the other disks that were under 7 minutes.) Since I understand you can't set DVD-Rs to DVD-ROM, they are not as recommended for DVD-video? That means, for my LG, I will have to go for the Sony DVD11 and then the Philips/RitekR03, or maybe the Iomega/CMC which is currently unavailable.
As for K-Probe, I've downloaded v2.4.2 and 2.4.3 but strangely the apps crash out on my pc, so I wasn't able to use them. I've disabled the RPC encoding using the LiteOn app, could this be the reason?
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WARNING FOR ALL THE CUSTOMERS OF CDRKING!!
they do not replace or exchange ALL DVD DISC1!!.. wala daw sa policy nila..
paki complain nga to sa DTI para ma multahan nga to..!!
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I rescanned the Ritek DVD+R, Philips/RitekR03 DVD+R, and Sony DVD+R DVD11 at 4x as you suggested. You were right, the Philips RitekR03 got ratings of 90+, and the Sony disks also improved. The Ritek DVD+R (no identification as to whether it's also R03) still failed the test.
about your Ritek DVD+R, by unnamed, do you mean there is no MID code for the media?
Given the results, I'm thinking of sticking to the Philips/Fujifilm DVD-R and RitekG05 DVD-R for data backup since they gave excellent results even at 8x scanning. (By the way, they it took both of them over 8 minutes to burn the video disk compared to the other disks that were under 7 minutes.) Since I understand you can't set DVD-Rs to DVD-ROM, they are not as recommended for DVD-video? That means, for my LG, I will have to go for the Sony DVD11 and then the Philips/RitekR03, or maybe the Iomega/CMC which is currently unavailable.
it also depends on your standalone player. it is known that DVD-R is more compatible on most players, especially older ones. DVD+R compatibility is mostly seen on newer models. some manuals also come with a list of supported writeable media types so you can check if your burns will be playable.
As for K-Probe, I've downloaded v2.4.2 and 2.4.3 but strangely the apps crash out on my pc, so I wasn't able to use them. I've disabled the RPC encoding using the LiteOn app, could this be the reason?
it might be an incorrect ASPI layer. run Nero's Infotool and go to the ASPI tab. select System ASPI and check the version of your ASPI layer. 4.60 is currently the recommended version.
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about your Ritek DVD+R, by unnamed, do you mean there is no MID code for the media?
It seems that way. As we can see from the CD-DVD scan for the Ritek 8X DVD+R, it doesn't have an ID code, unlike the Philips/Ritek with RitekR03 as its ID.
it also depends on your standalone player. it is known that DVD-R is more compatible on most players, especially older ones. DVD+R compatibility is mostly seen on newer models. some manuals also come with a list of supported writeable media types so you can check if your burns will be playable.
I'll double-check on my Pioneer players.
it might be an incorrect ASPI layer. run Nero's Infotool and go to the ASPI tab. select System ASPI and check the version of your ASPI layer. 4.60 is currently the recommended version.
Hmm, system ASPI is version 4.60 (1021), February 1, 2001.
Thanks!
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It seems that way. As we can see from the CD-DVD scan for the Ritek 8X DVD+R, it doesn't have an ID code, unlike the Philips/Ritek with RitekR03 as its ID.
i see. it's strange it doesn't have a MID code considering it's a branded disc. as the burner uses different write strategies depending on the MID code of a media, it's forced to use the default strategy which does not guarantee a good burn. no wonder you have those results.
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Sa mga older units standalone dvd players ayaw talaga magbasa ng dvd+r. I encountered this on my old nextbase 9000 player dvd-r lang binabasa niya and di din niya mabasa yung isang inauthor ko na dvd sa dvd-r media. Yung mga bago dvd- and + binabasa pati yung ginawa ko.
Posible bang kaya nagiging coaster kase mapili talaga yung dvd writer? Yung Samsung ko kase nasa 20 dvds na nabuburn ko lahat generic wala pang coaster.
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i see. it's strange it doesn't have a MID code considering it's a branded disc. as the burner uses different write strategies depending on the MID code of a media, it's forced to use the default strategy which does not guarantee a good burn. no wonder you have those results.
Looks like the lg really doesn't support/like the ritek disk, as mentioned by the crfreaks review. I checked a blank ritek 8x dvd+r disk and it was identified as ritekr03, but after burning with the lg (using nero express and an iso file) the mid code disappeared. Strange though that with the philips/ritek disk it didn't.
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Looks like the lg really doesn't support/like the ritek disk, as mentioned by the crfreaks review. I checked a blank ritek 8x dvd+r disk and it was identified as ritekr03, but after burning with the lg (using nero express and an iso file) the mid code disappeared. Strange though that with the philips/ritek disk it didn't.
what if you burned plain files and not a disk image (like iso), does the MID disappear too?
anong itsura ng Ritek 8X DVD+R na yan. iyan ba yung white printables or those with the blue surface?
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what if you burned plain files and not a disk image (like iso), does the MID disappear too?
anong itsura ng Ritek 8X DVD+R na yan. iyan ba yung white printables or those with the blue surface?
Same effect. My first test burn was a bunch of jpeg files. The disk is light yellow with a dotted pattern forming an arrow.
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I was able to come across this inexpensive media while I was on a business trip in Manila. It came with a MID code unsupported by my burner. Here's the quality scan of the first burn.
e-top DVD+R 8X
Media Code: EMDP0000
Physical Description: Red, only RW logo
Purchased at CD-R King Ayala MRT for Php12.00/DVD
Rated @8X, detected and burnt @4X using an LG GSA-4163B
Media test: No read errors. SFV verification on data is OK.
Additional Test (K-Probe BLER Scan)
(http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/9042/dvdretopemdp0000gsa4163ba1041o.png)
Test platforms:
- Successful read on Lite-On SOHW-812S
- Successful read on LG GSA-4163B
- Successful read on Asus DVD-E616
- Successful read on BenQ DW1620
- Successful read on Samsung DVD-P248A DVD player
I just hope the burn quality on the remaining discs will remain consistent.
UPDATE: Burnt two more spindles of this disc and I have to say the burn quality is consistent :) The label also claims it's an A-grade media.
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Plano ko kasing bumili ng dvd burner next sweldo. mababasa kaya ng player ko ung mga dvd-r discs? i have a pioneer player na luma na and di ko alam kung nababasa nya ung mga dvd-r discs. magkano na ba agn dvd-r recorder?
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Plano ko kasing bumili ng dvd burner next sweldo. mababasa kaya ng player ko ung mga dvd-r discs? i have a pioneer player na luma na and di ko alam kung nababasa nya ung mga dvd-r discs. magkano na ba agn dvd-r recorder?
you may check www.pcx.com.ph (http://www.pcx.com.ph) for updated price list on pc hardware. Most pc enthusiast and overclockers would recommend liteon bro, di ako sales agent nito ha hehehe......... thats based from experience vs sony, samsung and asus drives. Your movie, divx, mp3, wmv.wma and ps2 backups will be read even if you used +R media both by branded and generic players. Be careful lang sa media to use, be sure to check reviews dito specific for audio and video purposes.
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you may check www.pcx.com.ph (http://www.pcx.com.ph) for updated price list on pc hardware. Most pc enthusiast and overclockers would recommend liteon bro, di ako sales agent nito ha hehehe......... thats based from experience vs sony, samsung and asus drives. Your movie, divx, mp3, wmv.wma and ps2 backups will be read even if you used +R media both by branded and generic players. Be careful lang sa media to use, be sure to check reviews dito specific for audio and video purposes.
my recommendation are LG or BENQ..
check some post here for more info
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Im recommending Lite-on 16x dual drive. Check out reviews both local and US/UK. BTW liteon is the OEM for dell pcs and laptops, and other PC manufacturers. Close competitor is TEAC.
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Any other good reviews on E top media here?
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Any other good reviews on E top media here?
I'm quite satisfied with E-top. Here's a sample scan of the media burned using my Benq 1620 @ 8x.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v692/redisol/emdp0000BENQ____DVD_DD_DW1620_B7U9_.png)
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anyone tried the Nanya DVD+R?s any comments?
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1. Media code: NANYA-CLX-000
2. Physical description: all white, minimalist design with the RW logo on the right side and the DVD logo at the bottom; "CD-R King" printed around the inner ring
3. Place of purchase: CD-R King Gilmore (the one nearer Aurora)
4. Price per piece: Php7.00
5. Claimed burn speed and the speed you burned at: claimed 8x; burned at 8x (8m 12s burn time including lead-in/lead-out).
6. DVDInfoPro media test for read errors - no read errors (DVDInfoPro, DVD Decrypter, Nero CD-DVD Speed)
7. Test platforms - tested on a Pio DV-270, Pio DV-383, and a Fukuda 881
8. Notes - Burned with a Pioneer A07XL branded drive with firmware updated to 1.22 (original version released 09/2005). The Nanya 8X +R disc is specifically listed as supported media.
Overall, the 8X Nanyas performed very well for me, but only after I upgraded the firmware. Before that, the A07 defaulted to a generic write strategy which resulted in problematic burns and disc verification issues.
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san meron e-top na dvd?
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sorry no more etops available..
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Yeah, naubos na ata. The most common "branded" DVD-Rs these days are Azul and Fortis.
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Yeah, naubos na ata. The most common "branded" DVD-Rs these days are Azul and Fortis.
fortis somehow not good.. may isa akong fortis dito ayaw magburn sa LG.. isa lang naman pero 3 binili ko havent tested others..
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Last week my brother in law from Canada gave me as a gift a boxed LG GSA-4167B. I tried using several generic media; Fortis, Across, Melody and a branded one Verbatim Data Life Plus but all failed to burn my data. The recorded message was "buffer too large" at the start of the burning. What could be causing this? CD-R/RW writes flawlessly on this writer.
I know there are owners here of the 4167B drives, what medias have been used on them that wrote without problems so that I can try them myself. Also, the DL12 Firmware update that I have downloaded on the net don't seem to work and is indicating immediately an error on the conversion/update. Current firmware is DL10. Can I skip the DL11 and go directly to DL12?
Thanks.
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Last week my brother in law from Canada gave me as a gift a boxed LG GSA-4167B. I tried using several generic media; Fortis, Across, Melody and a branded one Verbatim Data Life Plus but all failed to burn my data. The recorded message was "buffer too large" at the start of the burning. What could be causing this? CD-R/RW writes flawlessly on this writer.
I know there are owners here of the 4167B drives, what medias have been used on them that wrote without problems so that I can try them myself. Also, the DL12 Firmware update that I have downloaded on the net don't seem to work and is indicating immediately an error on the conversion/update. Current firmware is DL10. Can I skip the DL11 and go directly to DL12?
Thanks.
ano bang data binurburn mo? largers cguro yan ng 2 GB.. alam ko nero nagloloko dyan pag ganyan na kalaki
pwede din i skip 12 ka na agad.. pero ako 10 lang.. as long wlang problem writer mo dont upgrade..
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This is probably a hardware issue not on the drive itself but settings on PC and some drivers causing the errors as I've read it in several forums on the net. I just thought that it was directly media quality that's why I posted it here.
Thanks.
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Last week my brother in law from Canada gave me as a gift a boxed LG GSA-4167B. I tried using several generic media; Fortis, Across, Melody and a branded one Verbatim Data Life Plus but all failed to burn my data. The recorded message was "buffer too large" at the start of the burning. What could be causing this? CD-R/RW writes flawlessly on this writer.
I know there are owners here of the 4167B drives, what medias have been used on them that wrote without problems so that I can try them myself. Also, the DL12 Firmware update that I have downloaded on the net don't seem to work and is indicating immediately an error on the conversion/update. Current firmware is DL10. Can I skip the DL11 and go directly to DL12?
Thanks.
pareho tayo ng dvd writer,lahat naman ng ipasok kung dvd media kahit yung super cheap na dvd+or - r media/cdr/dvdrw/cdrw,etc(kasi pati dvd-ram)6 pesos or so sa cdrking...pwede.it is a multiformat dvd burner.wala pa kong kahit isang coaster and ang data ko is usually 4.7 to even overburn pa ko lagi,ok naman...
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ang gamit ko arita from cd-r king. 8x sya. meron na bang dvd-r na gold ang dye sa ilalim?
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ang gamit ko arita from cd-r king. 8x sya. meron na bang dvd-r na gold ang dye sa ilalim?
ha? may arita ba na dvd? didnot noticed that..
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i've recently bought sony dvd+ and dvd-...both has mid's SONY08D1 / SONY D11 but it says unknown manufacturer ???.
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is there any 'reading scans for dummies' thread here? im a lil clueless in reading disc scans...hanggang disc info lang ang kaya kong basahin lol
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may problema ba verbatim at hp dvds sa standalone players? salamat po.. ok po ba mga media na ito?
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I use LG-DVD Writer (latest model) and try to backup my DTS DEMO no. 9 using PHILIP DVD+R(dvd 9), i just found that the extra feature of dts demo no.9 dont work..it hang, then i try to burn it into dvd5, all extra features works, but less quality coz it compress the file.
any1 here knws a best DVD + R (dual 9), for LG-dvd writer,