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Home Theater => Displays => Flat Panels => Topic started by: Furry on Jan 31, 2005 at 02:46 PM
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Hey all. Has anyone recently bought LCDs for their home theater? I've seen the Hitachi 20" but it's a little bit small but the space it saves makes up for. Any other brands that are good for around 50-70k?
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You can try Syntax, distributed by Kolin. They Have 20" pro d widescreen. Next is 27" WS, dis the one i bought for 89,995 :) . PQ using dvd excellent (IMO)
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Thanks Muttley! where are they selling these and how much does the 20" cost?
The 27" WS you got rocks! :) does it digital enhancement or more pixel technology already?
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SLC-2083 (20") P44,995 (visit anson's in makati)
am not very familiar with the model i bought ;D my consideration in buying is d price. video scaler is faroudja chips though, if that matters to you ;D
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Muttley.. THANKS! you've given me more option. I'm actually in their website right now. Cheers!
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for me, i would not buy a panel more than 17" diagonal since the response time of the bigger panels are very slow.
they will definitely suffer in gaming and fast paced movies.
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LCDs still have a lot to catching up to do. Just came from Automatic Center displays at Gateway Cubao. Has anyone notice why the Syntax display were using the JVC D-VHS as a demo? And why the DLPs, CRT RPTVs and LCD RPTVs were displayed far, far away from the plasmas ??? ???
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before the syntax, i was considering the phillips 36PW???? (forgot the exact model) but it is a 36"CRT widescreen @ P189,000 (Now selling @ 99K according to my contact at western mega, forgot his name but can remember his face) the PQ of the phillips is way way ahead of the syntax but then i have other considerations like placement etc. and to my taste, fast phase movies using the syntax is uhmmm (pause) decent? :)
my setup:
27" syntax lcd tv
676a pioneer dvd player
adcom poweramp
adcom processor
psb speakers
connection: component video
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saw a 32" toshiba lcd tv at sights and sounds shang... it was selling for P195,000... which is about the us msrp... much cheaper than the 32" philips lcd which is selling locally for 300k+
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Nakakalula ang mga prices! brrrrrrrrr :o Thanks for all the feedback on LCD performance.. now i'm having second thoughts.. ;D i've also checked the specs and the Syntax 20" only supports 640x480 resolution which i'm not so fond of. Still thinking... when money ain't enough.. the brain starts to work more!
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we saw the 27" Syntax up close at Alabang town center yesterday.... hmmm kaya ko kaya di muna kumain ng ilang buwan? ;D
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For me now's not yeat a good time to buy an LCD TV. The market's not yet mature so mataas pa ang prices. Wait for 2 more generations and the price will surely go down. Its different of course if you've got lots of mullah then anytime's a good time to buy.
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before the syntax, i was considering the phillips 36PW???? (forgot the exact model) but it is a 36"CRT widescreen @ P189,000 (Now selling @ 99K according to my contact at western mega, forgot his name but can remember his face) the PQ of the phillips is way way ahead of the syntax but then i have other considerations like placement etc. and to my taste, fast phase movies using the syntax is uhmmm (pause) decent? :)
It's amazing how they can discount an unsold 189T tv down to 99T. I think we should hold on to our pessos longer until they discount those unsold LCD and plasma inventories to 50%. ;D
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from market research firm iSuppli Corp:
* today's $4000 37-inch LCD will cost 50% less in 2006
* will drop to $1000 in 2008
* smaller plasmas will fall to below $1000 in 2007
Reason: production will reach over-capacity, as flat panel factories have replaced CRT factories
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Good to hear. 1-3 years more to wait.
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saw a 32" toshiba lcd tv at sights and sounds shang... it was selling for P195,000... which is about the us msrp... much cheaper than the 32" philips lcd which is selling locally for 300k+
Updated price of the award winning toshiba lcd 32" is php 160,000 na lang...did you buy previously? what's feedback, thanks...
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mattmatt: negative sir, i didnt get it, pero it looked nice enuff and the lower price is good
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Got a Syntax Olevia LT27HV for $699 after rebates. Puwede na rin. :)
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It's amazing how they can discount an unsold 189T tv down to 99T. I think we should hold on to our pessos longer until they discount those unsold LCD and plasma inventories to 50%. ;D
I came from China last month. Manufacturer's wholesale prices of Plasmas & LCDs are really low: for example 42" plasma was only below P100k! (sorry, cant tell the exact figure) My companion offered to bring in some 20 pcs for personal distribution among our barkada, but I had to pass, the resolution wasnt very high and walang DVI, HDMI, etc. I would rather cough up some more K's (if I have the K's ;D) to get these features rather than just get a low-res PDP for the sake of having a plasma.
Forgot the prices of LCD's , sorry.
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Got a Syntax Olevia LT27HV for $699 after rebates. Puwede na rin. :)
If I remember correctly, Syntax 27" was around P50k in HK last month.
After going through a lot of HK's AV stores, my conclusion was that CRTs are like dinosaurs there, only less than 5% of the displayed TV's there are CRTs, the rest are PDPs & LCDs. But most of them are more expensive than our local prices though.
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MAtZTER, How big are the screen sizes of the Direct View LCD in HK now?
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MAtZTER, How big are the screen sizes of the Direct View LCD in HK now?
I saw a great variety of sizes ranging from 20" to 40+". But like the reviews said, the 40+" LCD wasnt that good yet.
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Is the 40" LCD a Samsung? The most common LCD 16:9 screen is 32". How are the Sharp Acqous LCD? Kaya na bang talunan yung Plasma?
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Is the 40" LCD a Samsung? The most common LCD 16:9 screen is 32". How are the Sharp Acqous LCD? Kaya na bang talunan yung Plasma?
I do not recall a Samsung LCD that big, though I saw in a HT magazine that Samsung was having a LCD size war with LG.
The 45" lcd was a Sharp Aquos.
Kaya ba talunan yung plasma? - I dont think so, at least not yet. Give it a couple more years of improvement to its technology, it might be able to beat plasma. Its not that good IMO.
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I've been watching those Plasma and LCD displays in Ansons Makati and I am bit curious why in ALL their displays, there's still jagged edges and stair-stepping in diagonal and circular lines on their DVD video samples. Aren't those artifacts supposed to disappear in hi-def plasma and lcds?
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Aren't those artifacts supposed to disappear in hi-def plasma and lcds?
They are supposed to, IF the store was using DVI/HDMI connections & players for hi-res video (720p to 1080i). But I noticed that most stores selling PDPs & LCDs use ordinary progressive scan players and cheap component connections which would show 480i or 480p on a high resolution display. So, I think that may be why you would notice jagged edges. Plus the fact that we usually view TVs up close (2-5 ft) in stores instead of the usual recommended distances(9-12 ft).
The only affordable hi-res dvd player we have locally is the Samsung HiDef players, and it would be a shame if the dealers were selling a different brand PDP and using a Samsung Hi def player (hypothetical situation). Its like advertising for Samsung for free.
Last month, I saw a new model toshiba 60" TV (DLP TV size but its LCD) cleverly using a generic GIEC 1080i DVD player to display really good hi resolution video thru component . This way it doesnt advertise for any competing brand and the video is really hi res.
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medyo OT po itong question ko. saan nakakabili ng generic GIEC 1080i DVD player. at how much
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medyo OT po itong question ko. saan nakakabili ng generic GIEC 1080i DVD player. at how much
Hong Kong, Mongkok Area, less than 10k. with free 1080i DVD(called HVD) . I got a free 1080i House Of Flying Daggers HVD with the one I bought a few months ago.
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Hong Kong, Mongkok Area, less than 10k. with free 1080i DVD(called HVD) . I got a free 1080i House Of Flying Daggers HVD with the one I bought a few months ago.
Nagkasya ba yung 1080i encoded film in one DVD? How many discs were used?
Thanks for the information above.
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Yup, 1 disk only but only DD. No DTS. Parang superbit ang linaw
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The problem with most store demos of flat panels and big-screen displays is that they use p-dvds; even the best of such kinds of software will not show up well in those displays.
Another problem is that those displays are not set up properly. Among many sins, the store people have been trained to bump up the brightness and sharpness (to "impress") using filters and enhancers which tend to create artifacts.
I don't think you need "hi-rez" software (which is upconverted rather than native high-rez), just original 480i/480p with good transfers should show off those displays well.
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I did notice that most mall AV shops do use p-dvds in their demos. But the ones I saw at Anson's with very obvious stair-steps were using the stock ad/demo DVDs from Sony, Pioneer or Panasonic, etc. I was thinking that maybe they wre using composite or s-video connection.
Then again, I recall watching a Toshiba 42" plasma at Sights and Sounds using p-DVD A Bug's Life and using mere COMPOSITE yellow RCA connection. And I have to say my jaw dropped in awe at its colors. No stair-stepping at all. (I suppose any pixar animation is jaw-dropping on any wide screen. ;D) May be the display upscales the DVD's 480p to the display's native resolution of 1080p, regardless of whether composite, VGA, s-video or progressive, right? And even the low bitrate pDVDs would benefit from upscaling, right?
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av_phile, looks like you're seriously auditioning flat panels :)
Agree about Bug's Life - even at its worst, it still looks ok. No mystery why they run this, or other animated films, to show off a display.
I haven't seen the Anson's demo so I can't comment specifically.
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Well, not really. From time to time, I get the urge, but when I see the prices still the same as the last time I checked, I go to Astro na lang. ;D
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prices in hk (and i guess everywhere else except manila >:D ) are dropping every month, and it's really tempting to get one.
27" lcd (from china/taiwan manufacturers - syntax, shinco, etc) prices are less than 50K (as matzter mentioned). i'm eyeing 37" versions from more well-known players (toshiba, LG, etc) and these are around PhP 160-170K - still way better than the pricing/options here. you can get some idea on the current street price at http://www.avbuzz.com/bbs/av/list.php
problem is, how to bring it over. anybody have contacts that can bring these in? i go there every month, i can help in sourcing the product - shipping na lang. ang laki kase eh, di to pwede i checkin ;D
i got a nice 20" widescreen monitor (dell) at a fairly good price, and since the base was detachable, i just handcarried the actual panel. if only i could do that with the 37" ;D
matt, baka magpapasok ka, sabay na ako!
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i got a nice 20" widescreen monitor (dell) at a fairly good price, and since the base was detachable, i just handcarried the actual panel. if only i could do that with the 37" ;D
problem is, how to bring it over. anybody have contacts that can bring these in? i go there every month, i can help in sourcing the product - shipping na lang. ang laki kase eh, di to pwede i checkin ;D
As I know, customs would tax TV's larger than 25" the last time I asked.
Also, I recall when I was going home from China via MTR (from Shenzen) there were people hand carrying 20+" LCD TVs from China.
matt, baka magpapasok ka, sabay na ako!
i'm eyeing 37" versions from more well-known players (toshiba, LG, etc) and these are around PhP 160-170K
I have sources in China but only for generic brands, I dont think you would settle for them ( I wouldnt, kahit mura) since you mentioned you were getting branded ones.
If ever I will get some stuff like that in, I will let you know ;). I am actually considering brining in some AV racks & speaker stands so stuff like that are a bit related.
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Yo Nick, I wasnt able to find the GIEC in Sham Shui Po area. they were selling older models though. I was only able to find it in Mongkok. But going through the streets of SSP was quite a learning experience, very nice electronics!
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May be the display upscales the DVD's 480p to the display's native resolution of 1080p, regardless of whether composite, VGA, s-video or progressive, right? And even the low bitrate pDVDs would benefit from upscaling, right?
AS of the last HT mag I read (feb, 2005), only very few models do this auto upscaling and they are the latest models. The model I read that does that was a 52" Mitsubishi DLP TV and it only upscales to its native 720p and through component connection at least. We have a lot of 1080i TVs but 1080p TVs are very new in the market. I dont think we have it here in the Phils yet.
Most low bitrate P-dvds still look very hazy & dream-like when upscaled (in my experience, RPTV ;D). I also tested a P-dvd at my friend's Samsung 55" DLP TV with a Samsung upscaling DVD player and still the same results & grabe ang pixelation. Same thing on the 42" plasma with the same player.
I am sure there is a benefit somehow, but the degree of benefit also depends on how clear your P-dvd is. Clear video becomes a bit clearer video. Mediocre video gets upscaled to a bit better video, but still mediocre. ;D
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Most low bitrate P-dvds still look very hazy & dream-like when upscaled (in my experience, RPTV ;D). I also tested a P-dvd at my friend's Samsung 55" DLP TV with a Samsung upscaling DVD player and still the same results & grabe ang pixelation. Same thing on the 42" plasma with the same player.
i think thats because most p-dvd disks are only a fraction of the original dvds. most original dvds are in DVD9 format whilst the p-dvd's are typically DVD5. the pirates usually make reduced copies (reduced image quality, removed extra features & audio tracks,etc) of the originals to make em fit onto a DVD5 disc.
when i try to make copies of some of my original dvds i usually get around 40-60% of the original disc. plus it takes a looong time to process those "compressed" discs
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sigh, if only we had these sub-P50k LCD tv's here... even with their 7% sales its still less than P50k (the other 7% sales tax can be redeemed)...
http://www.costco.ca/en-CA/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=10286326&whse=&topnav=&cat=3316&hierPath=79*3316*
(http://www.costco.ca/Images/Content/Product/715689cL.jpg)
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Beautiful!!!!
If I recall right, I saw a sub-50k flat LCD widescreen at SM appliance. It's a Sansui brand. But is only 18" diag. ;D
A 27" LCD widescreen would be about the same size as the 28" flat screens common in Jap surplus (actually just 26" viewable screen area). If not mistaken an LCD this size is around 100T, more or less, at Anson's.
Just curious. Aren't there LCD or Plasma monitors ONLY? I think ALL models I've seen here have built-in 5.1 processors, amps and speakers which I find WORTHLESS in the presence of more profound HT receivers and surround speaker set-ups. Some even have this SRS or simulated surround processors which I find similarly useless. Why not take them out to bring down the prices? Or at least give customers who already own HT receivers/speakers the option not to pay for these?
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av: yung panny meron commercial/industrial plasma models that are readily available, even locally. im just not sure if the latest models are available here.
meron na din ako nakitang commercial/industrial lcd models from panny and samsung pero sa ibang countries. i doubt if they're available here.
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may newish 32" lcd tv sa shops, hitachi 32ld7800ta. you guys seen this? they're listing for P199k, cheapest ive seen is over at anson's. its chock full o inputs, parang madaming component and it has both DVI and HDMI. it even has a motorized swivel zoowee
ive seen positive reviews for the european model (32ld7200) and mukhang popular sya sa uk right now. of course, they're selling for much less over there (pati sa sing and for sure, sa hk), less than P130k or thereabouts.
spec's here: http://www.hitachidigitalmedia.com/DMG/viewProduct_1.jsp?productid=465
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I have been resisting buying LCD tv's here in the UK. The prices are making it hard you can get a 42" lcd for only 150k very difficult to get a hold of a model with progressive scan and component input. Lowest is a Samsung 32" for only 80k madami na kasi gumagamit ng flat panel dito kaya siguro mababa ang price kaso uwi na ako sa November baka mamaya masira pagdating ko sa pinas mahirap yata yun....
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I have to go with Plasma still. LCD just don't have the black level that I like. They are great for games, but not for movies. I can get a hitachi 32 inch hd plasma for less than 140t compared to the 199k of the locally sold hitachi lcd model. Both have the same motorized swivel.
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Heard from CNN that SONY is coming out with their "Bravia" LCD series that are cheaper than their previous LCD TVs. How much cheaper I have no idea.
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may newish 32" lcd tv sa shops, hitachi 32ld7800ta. you guys seen this? they're listing for P199k, cheapest ive seen is over at anson's. its chock full o inputs, parang madaming component and it has both DVI and HDMI. it even has a motorized swivel zoowee
ive seen positive reviews for the european model (32ld7200) and mukhang popular sya sa uk right now. of course, they're selling for much less over there (pati sa sing and for sure, sa hk), less than P130k or thereabouts.
spec's here: http://www.hitachidigitalmedia.com/DMG/viewProduct_1.jsp?productid=465
They're selling it in Glorieta's BPI Madness for Php 185K for 12 months. We were intrigued by this model. You get a free stand and a DVD player. My dad liked its Analog to Digital Converter feature but somehow the salesman cannot show it. We are considering getting the model because of the aforementioned feature. Any comments on the unit?
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They're selling it in Glorieta's BPI Madness for Php 185K for 12 months. We were intrigued by this model. You get a free stand and a DVD player. My dad liked its Analog to Digital Converter feature but somehow the salesman cannot show it. We are considering getting the model because of the aforementioned feature. Any comments on the unit?
Analog to Digital Converter?? and you are considering getting this model for this feature alone?? hehe me thinks the salesman was pulling a fast one on you.
go talk to our good friend matzter, he is selling the unit for P155k cash, without the bullcrap. check his thread:
http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=41106.msg486596#msg486596
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If I recall right, those flat LCD and plasma monitors convert all component, VGA, RGB, S-video and composite analog signals to digital before processing them to be displayed. The only time you don't do any conversion is when the input used is via DVI or HDMI.
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that's just the first step, i figure the video processing (upscaling, etc) do more for the image quality than just the ADC. it was a strange pitch by the salesman, is all
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that's just the first step, i figure the video processing (upscaling, etc) do more for the image quality than just the ADC. it was a strange pitch by the salesman, is all
Thanks for the advice. We were looking at if the LCD can make channels from local broadcast or cable clearer.
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Thanks for the advice. We were looking at if the LCD can make channels from local broadcast or cable clearer.
I strongly doubt that. Upscaling a lousy signal will only result in an enlarged lousy picture. ;D Digitizing a poor analog signal and then upscaling it would only show the poor signal in all its terrible glory. ;D Garbage in garbage out, so they say. Ofcourse, not all channels are bad. The better ones will probably benefit from the upscaling. But really, Plasmas and LCDs look best when fed from good DVD players and game consoles, not cable. Unless the broadcast is HDTV.
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So is the best thing to do if you want to get a plasma or an lcd television is to just watch dvds on the units and stick to the traditional crt television for broadcasts ???
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So is the best thing to do if you want to get a plasma or an lcd television is to just watch dvds on the units and stick to the traditional crt television for broadcasts ???
DVDs and PS2, xbox game consoles.
It's really up to you. If you can get good cable signals, there's a good chance the upscaling will work fine, but certainly far from the quality you can expect from DVDs and game consoles. There was a demo of Dream satellite cable a year back using digital SDTV satellite on a 42" plasma. Nice for still images, pero, sakit sa mata. Pixellations here and there especially in fast moving images. And to think digital cable na yun, malinis yung signal or you don't get any pics, how much worst if analog cable ang ginamit subject to a lot of interference?
IOW, I wouldn't get a plasma for cable or off the air broadcast. In the US for HDTV, but not here. Now if you can get DirectTV digital HDTV satellite signals from the US, which I heard can be done at a price, that's another thing. ;D
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In Singapore, LCD occupies the center main display in great number while the plasma are regaled to the obscure side with much less units on display. This makes me hypothesize that LCDs might be outselling the plasmas in Singapore.
Went to one of the several Sony showrooms there and if I'm not mistaken, the new Bravia KLV-V40A10 costs less than Sing$6,000 or roughly Php 180,000. 42" Plasmas by Philips cost aroung Php 90,000+.
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According to CNN, the Bravias are supposed to be priced lower than the current 2005 Sony models and are hoped to salvage SONY's falling profits.
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I still cannot imagine one getting a plasma when the roadmap clearly points to LCD type panels unless another technology breakthrough comes up... am I missing anything aside well I guess aside from size ?
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LCDs are getting really impressive. Apart from the Bravia that had me drooling, just saw the biiggest LCD screens at the Abenson (or was it SM appliance?? ;D) at Mall of Asia last saturday. It's a 60" Aquos from Sharp. And it's really just fantastic. I didn't dare ask how much. ;D
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Sharp 65" LCD costs around P1m (in Hong Kong, so mas mahal pa dito). The image was stunning for a LCD of that size.
My friend has a catalogue. He was the one who asked the price when we were in HK.
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I had imagined it would cost in that area. But if I recall right, that was also the tag prices of most 42" plasmas when they started here.
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In Singapore, LCD occupies the center main display in great number while the plasma are regaled to the obscure side with much less units on display. This makes me hypothesize that LCDs might be outselling the plasmas in Singapore.
Went to one of the several Sony showrooms there and if I'm not mistaken, the new Bravia KLV-V40A10 costs less than Sing$6,000 or roughly Php 180,000. 42" Plasmas by Philips cost aroung Php 90,000+.
here in thailand, sale ang mga sony products. got these prices from their local paper ads.
SONY Bravia V40A10 at Baht 119,999 (or roughly Php164k) while the S40A10 is at Baht 89,999 (Php 123k). marami pang mga lcd at plasma na less than 100k baht lang.
tempting ang price. di ba masisira ang mga display pag pina door to door?
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I would think the vendor or the door-2-door company would know how to package the thing for a safe transport. And I believe the LCD comes with protective materials in its box which was also shipped from its source factory elsewhere. But ofcourse you can never tell. You could always get insurance. But that would increase the shipping cost.
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i will inquire on the shipping charges and insurance. hopefully the overall price will still be cheaper compared sa atin. but the warranty issue again is another hindrance. they are using PAL system here in thailand. dunno if these units are multi system.