suave! aluminium bass drivers! :) though i am satisfied with my S2's, inggit ako dahil i've had my S2's for less than a year and now they've come up with a newer (i hope better) series.
do you know when they would be available locally and how much would they cost?
bejiboys
Naku Thames .... kaka inggit naman ... ok na ako dito sa 603 and 602 ko .... ;D
woodie520 ;)
I need to buy a pair of front speakers with a budget of P32,000. I am looking at B&W 603 Series 2. Do you have any other recommended speaker brands/model that could fit my budget? Where can I get it and who's the contact person.
By the way, OK ba yung Heybrook HB3? How does it compare to B&W 603 Series 2?
Thanks. :)
well, woodie, just in case you want to sell your 603S2, at a good discount from your purchase price ;), let me know pronto! hehe
He he ... di muna ako siguro mag-upgrade ... ok na ako dito sa 603. Pero if ever .. cge inform kita ... :o thanks bro.
woodie520 ;)
I need to buy a pair of front speakers with a budget of P32,000. I am looking at B&W 603 Series 2. Do you have any other recommended speaker brands/model that could fit my budget? Where can I get it and who's the contact person.
By the way, OK ba yung Heybrook HB3? How does it compare to B&W 603 Series 2?
Thanks. :)
Howdie Partner Bullseye. 603 is the right one for your budget. Pero kung gusto mo munang pakinggan, i'm just a PM (Private message) away, let me know kung gusto mong pakinggan ito sa bahay (sa HT setup ko). Oki doks. thanks
woodie520 ;D
He he ... di muna ako siguro mag-upgrade ... ok na ako dito sa 603. Pero if ever .. cge inform kita ... :o thanks bro.
woodie520 ;)
Thanks for the info. Convinced na ata ako sa 603. Halos lahat na kaibigan ko 603 and recommendation. Anyway, sabi nila wag daw magmadali...Good things will come daw for those who wait! :)
By the way, para atang nawala na yung magulo mong pic! Nasira ba yung link?
Bullseye
Woodie,
In case you decide to upgrade inform mo ako sa 602 mo. Thanks
levi
IS2000 are you the same guy from Kotse?
Hey Levi,
Kung mag upgrade ako .. for sure .. aawatin ka ni misis ... he he he .. or kung di si misis .. ur new baby ang mag aawat sa yong gumastos .. he he he ;D pero i'll let you know of course ....
woodie520 ;D
mga bros
how could i treat/clean the white discoloration on the rubber of the kevlar speaker ? :'(
thank you for the replies and the recos
Blade. ???
blade,
Do you want to try Armor-All? I use that on rubber and vinyl in my car. :)
Any opinions on which would be better? Looking for a center to go w/ 603 fronts. Reviews on AudioReview site go from Avoid to Excellent for the CC6.
i think walang 602.5 S2. ang alam ko sa S3 lang merong 602.5.
i think the difference of 602.5 with 603 is that 602.5 only has 2 speakers (1 tweeter, 1 mid) while 603 has 3 speakers (1 tweeter, 1 mid, 1 woofer). 602 and 602.5 are almost the same. 602 is just a bookshelf type while 602.5 is a floorstander.
dazed,
i think sa mga nabasa ko 602.5 is actually 601s3 na floor stander.
But their price difference is very different. Yung 15k na speakers which model is it? the 603s2 or the 602.5s3?
i am thinking of getting the 603 series 3. does anyone know how much it goes for? what is the cheapest store to get if from? someone told me to get it at megamall.
thanks bro. where is this hyperaudio shop located at? is it really cheaper than listening style(megamall)? i will give the guy a callno problem :) his shop is located in makati at the back of cash n carry. just give him a call and tell him i referred you :) (sabay ilag ;D)
just got the news that the prices of B&W speakers
will increase effective oct. 1; by how much i'm not yet
informed. so if you are planning to buy any B&W
speakers, get them now.
I'm planning to add this to my HT setup. Any comments on this floorstanding model? ;)
I'm also eyeing that speaker...
there aren't much reviews on that model,
you may want to check Audioreview.com, there are 6-7 reviews on that model.
My opinion? B&W's like the best speakers under 10,000 USD... pero until i'm willing to pay 5000 USD for a pair of floorstanders.. or 1000 USD for center channels, i'm not touching them! lol
that is a general comment about b&w as a company though..
kinda like buying a Honda Accord as opposed to buying a BMW 5 series. It's worth it. Pero price is twice as much as an accord.
I'm perfectly happy with Energy or Paradigms right now... pero yeah no doubt the money they're asking for is worth it. Pero. money they're asking for it is 5000 usd.
Thanks kawboy and great!
As far as ive heard from other audiophiles, they say that it is truly a good model, can produce more bass as compared to the 602 bookshelf ones. Has the clarity that any audiophile needs. Saw the reviews and as far as I can say, im satisfied with what I read, but I'll take my time to audition it again.
More comments on this model will be highly appreciated =) Thanks! ;D
greatbop,
nice thought. :)
fortunately, the 602.5 is one of their entry level floorstanders and doesn't cost that much. it is playing around the range of 500 USD i think...
F91
Hey, the pleasure is mine, i'd appreciate any feedback from you after your audition, have you checked the reviews for 603? It has better reviews. :)
er... 602.5's 500 USD??
how much is 603 and 604, then? can't be that 'cheap'.. i think..
I saw a review of this and the reviewer said it's better to get the 602 or the 603.
The 602.5 is too boomy daw. I'll try searching for that review I saw....
Ok... eto:
http://www.hifichoice.co.uk/review_read.asp?ID=2112
I would choose the DM602 S3.
greatbop,
I know that 603 costs around 32k PHP here, (even lower on some stores I know) ;), that is around 630 USD. :) I didn't bother asking for 604. ;D
Myki,
You're right, that is what I also read from most reviews, they suggests either a 602 or 603.
Even a 601, according to them, is better than the 602.5 but the reviews for the 602.5 aren't that bad either.
which is why I want to hear more from users of 602.5
:)
the absolute sound magazine gave a very good review of the 602.5. i'll try to get some photocopies for you guys.
I wouldn't be surprised. Tataas ulit ang US Dollar kasi malapit na pasko.
Buti na lang nabili ko na ang 601S3 ko :)
By the way, magkano na nga ba ang 601S3 and 602S3. I have a friend who's also looking for one.
I wouldn't be surprised. Tataas ulit ang US Dollar kasi malapit na pasko.
Buti na lang nabili ko na ang 601S3 ko :)
By the way, magkano na nga ba ang 601S3 and 602S3. I have a friend who's also looking for one.
Myki, magkano bili mo't saan?
I wouldn't be surprised. Tataas ulit ang US Dollar kasi malapit na pasko.
Buti na lang nabili ko na ang 601S3 ko :)
By the way, magkano na nga ba ang 601S3 and 602S3. I have a friend who's also looking for one.
hi guys!
have any of you auditioned the 600s3 model? unlike the 601 and 602 models, the flow port of the 600s3 model is found at the rear, not the front of the speakers.
i think some british HT review magazines and pinoydvd's rtsy have mentioned their preference for the dm303 over the 601s3 and 602s3 series because of the flowport design. i've seen an actual unit at astroplus but haven't had the time to audition them.
anyway, here are my questions
- are the lows of the 600 model better than the dm303? (in my opinion, the 601 and 602 models have such deep lows that subwoofers costing less than 15K hardly improve)
- will they be a good (or at least, acceptable) match to the the b&w lcr-3 or are they better matched with the bigger lcr-6?
thanks guys!
heard the rumor of a price hike for b&ws from another retailer yesterday. he said it will change on the 16th... no mention though on how much/ how many percent.
just got the news that the prices of B&W speakers
will increase effective oct. 1; by how much i'm not yet
informed. so if you are planning to buy any B&W
speakers, get them now.
Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised of the price increase. Our prices here are too low compared to the B&W prices in the US and elsewhere.
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I just upgraded my speakers from 303 to 602. Im still observing but I think I like the 602. Im not saying 303 is not good but initially I like the 602. I need to break in my speakers before I can really give my opinion. My next step is to change my center.
heard the rumor of a price hike for b&ws from another retailer yesterday. he said it will change on the 16th... no mention though on how much/ how many percent.
sounds like a sales tactic since someone posted earlier about the same rumor...kinda gives you a sense of urgency to buy now! :D
heres the previous post:just got the news that the prices of B&W speakers
will increase effective oct. 1; by how much i'm not yet
informed. so if you are planning to buy any B&W
speakers, get them now.
by the way congrat's on your upgrade partner :)
dala rin bato ng panic buying! ;)
bently
Congrats Levi!!!
Trust me, matagal ang break-in ng kevlar woofers. According to the website of B&W, it takes 15 hours for non-kevlar cones (303) and at least a month for kevlar cones.
When I got my second pair of 601s, I connected it after listening to my 2-month old 601s, ang layo ng tunog!! :-)
Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised of the price increase. Our prices here are too low compared to the B&W prices in the US and elsewhere. Also, the dollar is approaching P53 already.
Magkano score mo sa 602s? S3?
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I just upgraded my speakers from 303 to 602. Im still observing but I think I like the 602. Im not saying 303 is not good but initially I like the 602. I need to break in my speakers before I can really give my opinion. My next step is to change my center.
thanks boss levi! parang maki-ki-panic buying na rin yata ako.
parang na-i-imagine ko na yung amoy ng bagong speakers mo sir: sobrang bango pag bagong labas ng kahon.
anyway, batay sa sinabi ni Myki mukhang makakapahinga ng husto ang sub pag pure audio lang ang pinakikinggan with the 602s3.
I just renovated my room, got a velodyne 1012, B&W602S3 and B&WLCR60S3, imagine the smell of the room. Bili ka na rin, Hyperaudio and Sonny of Hometheater gave me a good deal. If you want pa renovate mo na rin sa akin ang room mo :)
I just renovated my room, got a velodyne 1012, B&W602S3 and B&WLCR60S3, imagine the smell of the room. Bili ka na rin, Hyperaudio and Sonny of Hometheater gave me a good deal. If you want pa renovate mo na rin sa akin ang room mo :)
wow!
i think magandang match yang 1012 with the 602. have been using the 1012 with 303s since july: parang malaki ang gap nila sa lows. with the 602 siguro seamless na ang low frequency range basta timplado nang tama at na break-in na sila pareho. in fact, 601 lang sa tingin ko malaking talon na, pero mas maganda nga siguro kung may kaunting allowance.
yun nga ang mahirap, meron na akong lcr-3 to match with my 303s. sa bagay wala pa akong rear center, pero matinding gastusan nanaman para ma-i-match with a 602.
medyo nalalakihan ako sa lcr-60 sir. parang dadapa ang super liit kong TV - pag pinatong ko yun sa ibabaw. masikip yung rack ko kaya dun ko lang puedeng ilagay for now. anyway, did hyperaudio (rene) and sonny tuazon advice the lcr-60 to match with the 602? is the lcr-6 a better 601 match?
sige sir. congrats again for your new setup! i agree that the receiver should go last. unlike the b&ws, receiver prices are headed downwards.
tuff_u_gong,
Yung LCR60 is a good match for both the 601 and 602. The LCR600 is for the floorstanders like the 603 and 604. Yung 600, talagang pang surrounds lang iyon.
whoaah!
ganyan yung prevailing prices ng b&w speakers dito sa sing ah... kala ko pa naman mas mura pa rin dyan sa pinas, ngayon pareho na prices, sigh
whoaah!
ganyan yung prevailing prices ng b&w speakers dito sa sing ah... kala ko pa naman mas mura pa rin dyan sa pinas, ngayon pareho na prices, sigh
tuff, nold: may tawad pa siguro both yung kay hyper n yung shop dito sa sing. pero mukhang mas lower pa rin ng konti yung kay hyper... dito kasi sa sing monopolized daw nung shop yung b&w speakers, kaya more expensive...
makes me wish i bought 601s sa pinas and brought 'em here with me... for the price that they're asking for the b&w 601 eh pwede na ko bumili nung dynaudio audience 42 or quad 11l...
tuff, congrats on ur setup!
Emm,
I suggest you save for a higher model, at least a 2803. B&W's are power hungry. If later on you'll be investing into DVD-Audio or SACD, you will need to supply all your speakers with clean and pure power for the music to really sound its best.
The Denon is very good too but the Onkyo SR700 is in a higher features level than the 1803.
You really need to test it all with your speakers. And please, try it with a Marantz SR5200 or SR6200 (or SR5300, SR6300) as well. After that, just get the one that suits you the best.
I just got my B&W CD-interactive after registering my speakers last week. Lots of info about the B&W speakers and some demo materials.
Bunkieboy,
Yup, I just registered my speakers, but I opted not to join the raffle so I got this CD as a gift.
Levi
tuff,
baka hindi gumagana yung tweeter. try removing the link and connect speaker cable to the tweeter terminals only on the speaker.
Tuff: you are using a rotel right ? it might be that the lr60 needs some break-in because its larger and likes more power, then again with the amp you have it shouldn't be a problem, if its ok with the dealer try replacing it and see if you have the same problem, or try using it on either the left and right channel of your amp and see if it still chesty or bland, baka sa center ang problem..hope not :)
If you connected your 602s3 to the center channel outputs, and it sounded bland too...
then the culprit is not your speaker but your AVR. I'm sure if you connect your LCR60 to the left channel out, the LCR60 will sound great.
Maybe your AVR or DVD player is set to 2-channel mode and not 5.1-channel mode. Maybe lang naman.. :-)
Bunkieboy,
Yup, I just registered my speakers, but I opted not to join the raffle so I got this CD as a gift.
Levi
hi levi (or anyone else who uses the 602s3 and lcr-60 combo)!
i decided to get an LCR-60 late last week. until now i actually still don't like what i hear. parang very chesty and bland ang presentation nya. talaga bang ganun yon o kailangan ko pa talagang i-break in? d kaya may diperensya yung unit ko? di ka ba nanibago at the start after getting used to the LCR-3?
medyo nasanay yata yung tenga ko sa LCR-3 - parang walang nakakawalang detalye doon kahit maliit. i can't seem to get the same performance from the LCR-60. i double checked the polarity of the speakers with good interconnects and ganoon pa din. nasa +5 na nga setting parang mahina at matabang pa rin ang tunog. tried small ang large setting, wala pa rin.
di kaya dahil sa Kevlar yon?
how do i know kung sira? should i use an SPL meter to check kung mahina ang sound pressure?
If they dont want to fix/replace your speaker, you can send an email to [email protected], I think he can help you.
Stephen Baker
>Product Manager
>B&W Loudspeakers UK
>Dale Road
>Worthing
>West Sussex
>BN11 2BH
>Tel: +44 (0) 1903 221500
>
>[email protected]
>www.bwspeakers.com
Levi,
I have a pair of 602 s2 that i'm selling for P15,000 (including stands worth P4,000). Baka you're interested, balak ko kasi mag-upgrade. But don't be mislead about my move, the 602's are excellent speakers for the money, kaya nga 5 stars cya, and it is very easy to drive with 90db sensitivity.
Hope to hear from you
(Contact No. 0917-5405007)
sgc_wdi,
Yes, usually speakers are quoted as pairs except for the Center speaker and the subwoofer.
Too bad for you, the pricing of B&W went up. I got mine just a month ago from Listening Room for only P14,200 for a pair of DM601 S3! :-)
B&W for me is one of the best. But it all depends on your type. Some like it more detailed, more warm, more etc. Some of the speakers that are notable are Sonus Faber, Mission, Dynaudio, and marami pang iba! Look around and listen to them. That's your best bet.
I hope somebody can help me. I've been interested in the 603S3 for quite a while now. I'm even willing to consider the 604S3 if it sounds that great. Is there any place where I can audition them? I'm primarily into audio, but I enjoy video, too. I went to see hyperaudio a couple of days back in the hope that he would have them for auditioning. What he had was the 601 and I was quite impressed with what I heard. Still, I'd like to give the 603 (and possibly the 604) a listen. But I don't know where. Would anybody have any ideas? Upscale MegaMall and Park Square don't have them around, nor does Sights and Sounds Shang and Makati.
sgc_wdi,
Yes, usually speakers are quoted as pairs except for the Center speaker and the subwoofer.
Too bad for you, the pricing of B&W went up. I got mine just a month ago from Listening Room for only P14,200 for a pair of DM601 S3! :-)
B&W for me is one of the best. But it all depends on your type. Some like it more detailed, more warm, more etc. Some of the speakers that are notable are Sonus Faber, Mission, Dynaudio, and marami pang iba! Look around and listen to them. That's your best bet.
Hi Myki,
thanks! darn that's 5000 more than what you got! I haven't the slightest idea on what's a good speaker... I just know that a lot of people is saying Bose is not a very good ht setup. I'm quite satisfied with it, but can't help to think what I'm missing.
I've been reading the Paradigm is also a good brand? how would u compare Paradigm with B&W?
sgc_wdi,That's a good price already, but I was also able to get mine before the price went up, I made a deposit on the 15th of last month. BTW, I got mine...much lower than 14.2..hehe ;D
Yes, usually speakers are quoted as pairs except for the Center speaker and the subwoofer.
Too bad for you, the pricing of B&W went up. I got mine just a month ago from Listening Room for only P14,200 for a pair of DM601 S3! :-)
I hope somebody can help me. I've been interested in the 603S3 for quite a while now. I'm even willing to consider the 604S3 if it sounds that great. Is there any place where I can audition them? I'm primarily into audio, but I enjoy video, too. I went to see hyperaudio a couple of days back in the hope that he would have them for auditioning. What he had was the 601 and I was quite impressed with what I heard. Still, I'd like to give the 603 (and possibly the 604) a listen. But I don't know where. Would anybody have any ideas? Upscale MegaMall and Park Square don't have them around, nor does Sights and Sounds Shang and Makati.
Thanks Aylwin and Levi... I'll look more into these two brands... :)
oh and one more thing, the speakers don't come with the stands right? I checked the B&W website, and the speakers are all in stands.. how much are those stands selling here?
Kasama yung subs?
tnx for the reply
that would be 24K/piece right?
tnx for the reply
that would be 24K/piece right?
i think that would be 24k/pair na.
bought mine about a year ago for 32k/pair. :-\ :'(tnx for the reply
that would be 24K/piece right?
i suggest you don't buy from that store again. they probably gave you their list price. you should've been given a discount for a couple of thousand bucks
killer,
salamat pre! mukhang magiging abnormal na naman ang tulog ko nito sa kakaisip sa mga speakers na 'to! ;D
tingin mo ok lang kung yung receiver ko is rated 165W tapos yung speakers ko are below this level? for example kung makakabili ako ng 603 na 25-150W... tapos yung surround ko for example 120W lang... ano sa tingin mo pre? kailangan ko bang babaan ang ampli ko? kasi alam ko dapat mas malaki ang power rating ng mga speakers sa receiver?
tulong naman mga 'tol! thanks! ;)
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ako nga 2 weeks ng nde makatulog sa 603 kaya eto bibili na ako sa weekend hahaha
Bringing this thread up and at the same time...
I wanna ask kung may chance pa bang bumalik sa dati ang price ng B&W speakers ngayong bumababa na ang dollar?
toyks eto na yung listahan ng prices ng lahat ng 600 series sa brochure
603 s3 - 63,000 1 pc
To all B&W 600 S3 owners,
Do you hear any difference when you have your speakers bi-wired?
Also, can you share any info on what speaker wire you felt is best for this series? I've used cheap 16ga. wire, Acoustic Research 12ga. wire, and currently IXOS 6003 gamma wire.
I just want to know if I'm imagining things or what...
anyone knows the thr prices on these babies
DM603
LCR60?
kimp0y, last i checked (which was a long time ago) the price range of the B&W 602 s3 is in the 19k - 21k price range, same as these speakers:
- b&w 602 s3
- monitor audio B4
- mission 780
Oh pagagawan niyo na.
I was at Robinsons Manila last sunday (11/30) and found a B&W DM 601 at 14.5k. I forgot the name of the store but it is at the 3rd Floor and Beside the Abenson's Store and BOSE Showroom.
Oh pagagawan niyo na.
I was at Robinsons Manila last sunday (11/30) and found a B&W DM 601 at 14.5k. I forgot the name of the store but it is at the 3rd Floor and Beside the Abenson's Store and BOSE Showroom.
pacific yung name ng store... ;D
series 3 ba yan nels76? yiikes ang bilis pala magtaas ng price... i usually ask dun sa b&w showroom sa tabi ng sights & sounds sa edsa shangrila... been eyeing the 602 since series 2 days and that was 19k cash... then when the series 3 came out it became around 21k cash... now its around 24k cash.
got a b&w 303 this weekend thanks to narayan's help... and thanks to greatbuys for the... great buy! ;D
what can i say, its got awesome detail!! this model uses the same nautilus tweeter as the 600 series but not the kevlar woofers. its woofer is made out of some glass composite.
i did a side-by-side comparison with my little mordaunt 902... the B&W has more detailed/forward mids & highs than the MS. matched with my sansui & sony amps which are both very warm sounding, i.e. smooth treble... there is increased resolution in the mids/highs. great match!
my listening area has a cement wall right behind the speakers... the smaller ms902 (5" woofer) had deeper & heavier bass output than the bw303 (6" woofer)... but the 303 had better detail & resolution, resulting in better imaging and separation of instruments. the 303 is more forward - the singer appears to be closer than the speakers, whereas the 902 is laid back - the singer appears to be behind the speakers. i guess this depends on the listener's taste and listening position... i think the ms902 is more suited to near-field listening while the bw303 is the opposite.
ikaw pala ang Roger na nakakuha! :) congrats! naunahan mo barkada ko by one phone call, tagal kasi nya mag decide eh ;)
good buy yan, match na match with warm amps / receivers like your marantz ;)
OY mayroon na naman bagong kapatid sina rica at maui ano kaya pangalan hehehe :D :D nang bagong baby ni akyat ;D
hmmm... kung si maui & rica ay floorstander, etong bukshelf ay... ??? kayo na bahala hehe ;) ;)
Tanong lang mga bosing, I'm on the process of canvassing/buying replacement speaker either para sa
rear or front... my reciever is RXv800 at my front/rear nako na 602S3, ano ba ang ok na combination para sa front and rear
Front Rear
1)602s3 602s3
2)602s3 601s3
3)602s3 600s3
4)602s3 602.5s3
5)602.5s3 602.s3
*center saka na papalitan isa-isa lang...budget hanggang 602.5s3 lang.
TIA
hi, has anyone owned both the 303 and 601? how do they differ in sound? i haven't heard the 600 series, i only have the 303 for reference. since they have the same tweeter, is it safe to say that they exhibit the same characteristic in the highs? how are the 601/602 better than the 303? thanks!
got a b&w 303 this weekend thanks to narayan's help... and thanks to killer-eyes for the... great buy! ;D
what can i say, its got awesome detail!! this model uses the same nautilus tweeter as the 600 series but not the kevlar woofers. its woofer is made out of some glass composite.
i did a side-by-side comparison with my little mordaunt 902... the B&W has more detailed/forward mids & highs than the MS. matched with my sansui & sony amps which are both very warm sounding, i.e. smooth treble... there is increased resolution in the mids/highs. great match!
my listening area has a cement wall right behind the speakers... the smaller ms902 (5" woofer) had deeper & heavier bass output than the bw303 (6" woofer)... but the 303 had better detail & resolution, resulting in better imaging and separation of instruments. the 303 is more forward - the singer appears to be closer than the speakers, whereas the 902 is laid back - the singer appears to be behind the speakers. i guess this depends on the listener's taste and listening position... i think the ms902 is more suited to near-field listening while the bw303 is the opposite.
(http://203.131.66.146:8080/bw1.jpg)
thanks again iceman, ako pala nakagulo sa plano hehe ;D ...i think tama suggestion mo i have a feeling that the 303 would make great speakers for HT. will try them out either as fronts or rears... from the reviews i've read, the 600 series are probably even more refined.
julsp, thanks!... ;D ;D
akyat,
mmmhh si mahal???
pangit naman
pwede si diana Z
sir akyat! saan po ang store nyo? ;D congrats!
hi, has anyone owned both the 303 and 601? how do they differ in sound? i haven't heard the 600 series, i only have the 303 for reference. since they have the same tweeter, is it safe to say that they exhibit the same characteristic in the highs? how are the 601/602 better than the 303? thanks!
Sir Levi room is 5X4 meters, palagay ko nga ay mas ok yung 601S3, sana pala yung una ko na score ay 601S3 para pareho yung front and rear kasi mahilig din akong makinig on 5chanel mode. For now yung center ay ok panaman (Canton AV700) when budget permit ay saka ko nalang palitan,dispose ko muna yung dati kong rear and front (Canton Xl/XS)...
TIA
Im using 602 for my front and 303 for my rear. Both are good speakers but the 602 has better mids, bass and spl. This is because the 602 is bigger in all aspect compared to the 303. Im not saying the 303 is not good, infact I enjoy using it for my 2 channel audio.
Thank you for your input about the MA B2 ;) By the way, am a proud owner of B&W 602 S2, but as I read the discussion on the forum of MA it seems MA is that good. So right now I am having some foolish thoughts ??? of disposing my B&W babies for MA. Perhaps might try to audition this speakers??? For all the B&W die hard followers what do you think?!
Thank you for your input about the MA B2 ;) By the way, am a proud owner of B&W 602 S2, but as I read the discussion on the forum of MA it seems MA is that good. So right now I am having some foolish thoughts ??? of disposing my B&W babies for MA. Perhaps might try to audition this speakers??? For all the B&W die hard followers what do you think?!
my unsolicited opinion - if you have b&w's keep them. if you are shopping for speakers from scratch, get MA :)
I was wondering what the differences are between the BW speakers DM600 and DM601 and is the price difference justified? I have a small room BTW how much are they? Thanks!
Urgent Advise needed ... mga bossing tuloooong naman
I recently upgraded my rear to 601 s3 pero it pales in comparison with my 602 s3 in front (IMHO) specially when I'm in 5 chnl stereo mode.
601 s3 is new, got 1 more day before my option to return/exchange expire...602 s3 is now out of stock from local dealer here...is it worth ba of getting 603 s3 instead ? (its costly)
my receiver's peak is 140 watts and nominal is 100 watts,room size sa ngayon temporary kaya walang bearing pa but for future might have a 5x6. Setup usage is 50/50 HT and audio.
any advise will do...
TIA
i personally dont use 5ch mode when i listen to music. you wont see what sound stage means if you do the 5ch mode. soundstage and more power from your receiver are the benefits that youll derive from stereo listening (2ch). if youre into serious listening, you have to set the receiver to 2ch mode only.
Yeah, but take note...
A properly recorded surround format music CD/DVD can sound just as good as, and often times better, than the best recorded 2-channel music CD."
Sorry for having this seems to be off-topic.
Thanks.
Especially right now, that I've already asked 3 vendors for prices for the 600 series, they couldn't quote for price below 18K for the 601s3. .
reggie,
brand new selling prices po ba yan? which shop?
which store can i get the best price for lcr60 and 602s3? and how much? thanks.... ???
ayos. enygma.. kumpleto na niyan ang B&W set up mo eh iyong Sub mo Velodyne?
Mahal sa UAE ano, tumaas kasi ang dollar against peso kya di worth bumili dyan.
hmmm? might check out some HK's And Marantz!
tnx guys!
:)
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Somebody is selling me this 600 series. What model and series is this? How much sould i buy this? Thanks.
how much is the B&W 602 S3 worth?
i have the 602 S3 and they sell for $600 here in the US. I think you can ge them cheaper there in Manila.
Oh well, di ko na mahintay yung comments here. Got the ASW600 last night, sabay nung yammy DVD player. ;D
Oh well, di ko na mahintay yung comments here. Got the ASW600 last night, sabay nung yammy DVD player. ;D
av_phile, bonus ba? daming pera ah hehe
by the way, if you card it, do they charge extra (6% etc.)
AV_Phile please use B&W subwoofer thread for your comments.
To all you guys wanting a comment on the sub and why i got it, here it is....
I initially wanted a Mordaunt-Short 909w. To me. it's exteriors and facade make it arguably the handsomest and neatest looking sub on earth. And a good visual match to my other MS speakers. At 26T, I probably would have gotten this if only for these reasons. Good thing 5th Ave has it out of stock. And as i heard it in my colleaque's all MS setup last december, it isn't as impressive in music as it is for movies. Not surprised as it has a floor-firing port.
My only firm criteria for getting a sub is it should be musical and can go deep enough for music (apart from being affordable and can fit inside room ;D). And as musical subs go, only sealed-type enclosures will do.
I must confess I have not auditioned all the subs that makati av shops have to offer. If I recall right, most of them are ported or of the bandpass design - yamaha, jbl, jamo, velodyne, and some strange sounding names. I didn't audition a REL as I knew I would easily fall in love with their mid-to-high models that I am sure I cannot afford.
The net has great reviews about the Velo CHT10 saying how well it sounds in music. For that, the cht10 was a contender. I heard one at Tech Central a few months back and seemed to generate the slam needed for movies. But I was unimpressed with it in music (with the often used demo Eagles' Hell Freezes Over).
Dropping by at Sound Dimension, I was struck by the rich, solid and deep bass being demoed. It was a B&W ASW600. I was a bit saddened to hear it was a B&W as I was almost sure it's one of those subs I couldn't afford. I was pleasantly shocked its SRP is in the same range as the CHT10. Out went my Visa.
One listen to it playing the pod race in Phantom Menace (where many 15Hz abounds) and a bass line in a Diana Krall jazz ensemble was all I needed to recognize this was the sub I was looking for. And Sound Dimension shop is only a wee bit smaller than my room. According to the manual, it goes -3db at 26 hz and -6db at 22 hz. It must be flat down to 30hz - a good 20 hz below what my MS floorstander can go. And with a more powerful amp (150 watts RMS), I can't complain with that price.
I'll post my comments later as the sub has yet to be broken-in. But even so, it was giving some new dimension to my favourite music titles that makes them even more listenable.
"Hope it didn't compromise the sonics if your speakers."
yep i hope so too, i was checking it last night and didn't notice any difference in sonics, just cosmetic only. good thing it's the 601 only used for surrounds pero hassle pa rin, medyo may pagka oc pa naman ako when it comes to these speakers hehe
Good buy av_phile1. I have the same subwoofer as yours, an ASW 600 partnered with my B&W 602 series2 and my 601 series3
Bonjit of Sydney
am planning to buy b &w 600 series 3, any comments on satisfied or disgruntled users? for mid size room, was planning 602 as front, 600 as rear, lcr 60 or 600 as center and asw600 as subwoofer, any comments or suggestion is highly appreciated :-\
can you pls. advice where you bought it? and how much? is 601S3 better as rears compared to 600S3 for mid size room?
I have a similar setup...602S3 (fronts), HTM (Center), 601S3 (rears), sunfire MK2 sub.
you can never go wrong with B&W's. Remember to purchase the appropriate speaker stands and you're all set.
can you pls. advice where you bought it? and how much? is 601S3 better as rears compared to 600S3 for mid size room?
mattmatt, you can read our discussions in b&w 600 series threadphil. thanks.
by the way, are from p.i. or the states?
Oh well, di ko na mahintay yung comments here. Got the ASW600 last night, sabay nung yammy DVD player. ;Dany regrets? what front, center and rear speakers you use? :o
I will go for Velodyne. just my 2 cent adviseGd day sir! can you pls. elaborate why you will go for velo?? i have a 25 sq.m. room approximately.. planning to go either for mission volare series or b n w 600 series 3..heard the cht's velo are china made??thanks!!
any regrets? what front, center and rear speakers you use? :o
mattmatt,
I've had my B&Ws for more than a year already and I'm very happy with them. I wanted to upgrade them to Dynaudio's a few months back but they were double the price so I decided to keep what I have.
I have 601S3's for front and back, LCR60, and ASW300. I have a small living room of around 6m x 5m so I decided to go 601 rather than 602. I wanted all the speakers the same since I listen to a lot of multichannel music (DVD-Audio, DTS, and soon SACD).
I wish I got the LCR600 as the center since it is larger.
I use a Marantz SR7200 receiver and it's a perfect match for B&Ws.
Myki
heard the cht's velo are china made??
After a closer look at velo boxes, cht 12 marks made in USA, while the cht 10 says designed and engineered in USA, two different things right??I believe the cht 10 are china made... :o :( O0
The cht's are made in the USA. My mine was. It says so at the back. :)
I have a question on spikes. My B & W 602.5s are floorstanders and came with spikes but I didn't attach them. Just wondering if there is a difference in sound with spikes. My flooring is Narra Planks so I figured the spikes would scratch them. Are the spikes just so the speakers wont move in carpet environments or are there audible reasons as well?
I have a question on spikes. My B & W 602.5s are floorstanders and came with spikes but I didn't attach them. Just wondering if there is a difference in sound with spikes. My flooring is Narra Planks so I figured the spikes would scratch them. Are the spikes just so the speakers wont move in carpet environments or are there audible reasons as well?
Bonjit,
Yup! I'm still very, very happy with my Marantz SR7200. I have no plans on upgrading this since it's a real keeper. I would definitely say Marantz + B&W600 Series 3 is a perfect match.
Consider also the new Infinity Primus 150 for your bedroom... it's super cheap at around P9k lang yata. It's going to be available by July at stores that carry JBL. It had a good review over at StereoReview.
Myki
Since ryn0128 is asking for updates, I would like to get anybodys opinion on w/c is better paired off with B&W 601s3 as the surrounds, a 602 s3 or 602.5 s3? I am planning to upgrade my 601 front speakers and position them as my surrounds. Though the 602.5 have same drivers as the 601s, I would like to know how it handles the mids and bass as opposed to the larger drive units of the 602s. I have to take into consideration that I am veering toward audio listening nowadays and been an avid listener of Jazz and Soul music. My A/V room is about 12 (L) x 14 (W) x 9 (H).
how much would a pair of B&W 602 S3s cost ?23.8k
how much would a pair of B&W 602 S3s cost ?
23.8k
Guys,
Planning to upgrade my dm602 s3 into dm604 s3. Is it worth?
Want to hear from the owners. Thanks.
Thanks guys. The price difference is quite minimal between the 2. However, it all boils down on how the the speakers will create a wide soundstage in terms of mids and lows within my room dimensions. As much as possible, audio listeners want to avoid a throaty bass w/c creates a disturbing resonating sound. Actually 602s3 is my first choice, 602.5 s3 was for consideration. I'll audition the 2 models probably by next weekend. Kaunti pang piga at ipon. ;)
sir, are you going to sell your 602 s3? :)
try sound dimension or sights & sounds at park square 1
sir, wer can i luk 4 the 602 s3 wit dis price?
tnx. :D
ras, color ng 602 s3 mo? Willing ako bilhin basta Calvados yan. ;)
Levi,
Where can I check out these speakers? Is Architectural the one in New World?
The 700 series are beyond my budget. (So I guess so is Usher and Triangle?)
I like the Dynaudio Audience 42 because it sounds great and it's small. My wife actually thinks the 601s are already big speakers. That's another reason why I can't go to 602s.
Myki
mga sir ilan hrs. ba ang recommended to fully burn in the 602's? tia
10 to 14 gauge wires! the smaller the gauge, the better.
or if you have more money to splurge, try getting a branded speaker like ecosse etc.
i'm using a 12 gauge wires for the 602s, will change that to biwires once i transition to tube stereo
Rotel. Any model of receiver.
sir av_phile n sir narayan.......tnx po sir...hindi po ba sobrang mahal ng rotel?? di ko po alam pricing nun e..hehe...may entry - mid level po ba sila na ok pricing..katulad po sa onkyo n yams..pati denon.. mga 14 to 17k to 25k po.. yung kay sir levi na 330...31k po ata yun..bka medyo mahal na for newbies like me po... tnx in advance po.. :)
mga sirs...keep them coming po...all of ur suggestions regarding po some queries on bnw's match with what receiver..TNX IN ADVANCE TO ALL!! :)
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I'm just curious, in this topic, the dm604 s3 is seldom talked about. Anybody here the user of the 604? Your review is highly appreciated. thanks.
seguro no? for the 604 s3 better settle for the 700 series. what do you think?
I'm just curious, in this topic, the dm604 s3 is seldom talked about. Anybody here the user of the 604? Your review is highly appreciated. thanks.
Hi Ras1842!
I have the first generation DM604s in my HT, powered by a Denon amp. Sounds good naman. Powerful midbass and crisp sound. They are 9 years old already! :)
What would you like the 600 series to have (ifever they will come out with the series 4)?
Here's mine:
1. Curved cabinetry
2. Better grilles
For me I hate to hear the new 600 series (4), kasi hindi ko pa nabuo akin s3's.try to audition the complete set of the dm 600s3, try to visit our new showroom
try to audition the complete set of the dm 600s3, try to visit our new showroom
west ave. 107 mezzanine flr, west wing building west ave, quezon city... look for mark
sanchez
Pls try to contact our nearest dealer,,, or try to contact where you buy the B&Wspaekers,,,;)
mark sanchez
Im using HK 330 for my 602S3 and its a very good match. HK tames the brightness of B&W speakers. I also tried the Denon 1803 and the Yamaha 496.
Hi sir levi,
Just inquired about HK330/B&W601 combination... Although the shop owner said that it will work well, he suggests I get the 630 instead; which is way out of my budget.
In your experience in using the above combo, did you notice if the HK330 is having difficulty in driving the 602s? or does it heat-up above the average level?
I just want to make sure if the AVR can drive the speakers effortlessly
This will be a long-term setup (if not final), and I don't want to regret any decision i'll make.
Tnx!!!
No problem with my 330 driving my 602 plus all the surround speakers. It gets warm a bit but I think its normal. There was a time my son put the volume to max so when the amp turned on, it was really loud but it never clipped.
No problem with my 330 driving my 602 plus all the surround speakers. It gets warm a bit but I think its normal. There was a time my son put the volume to max so when the amp turned on, it was really loud but it never clipped.
I am sir... ;D
Now all i need is to pair it with a good sub (for HT purposes)...
You may want to go with a B&W sub to match the rest of your B&W speakers.
Last night I watched Kung Fu Hustle (DTS) and I was just in awe at the LFE coming out of the B&W ASW600. The last chapter where Stephen Chow was falling from the sky really brought out unbelievably loud, solid and extended bass out of this sub - - it was simply wonderful.
good day to all, would it be ok to pair the hk 135 or 235 to b&w 602s3? Or any other brand within the price range. thanks!
You may want to pair your 602S3 with a more powerful amp (330 or 335 at the very least), as these babies are power hungry
I dont think the 602 is power hungry. It can be driven well by my 8watt tono amp.
Im not sure if I got you correctly. The tube amp was able to drive the KefQ5 with ease so its more powerful than the AVR? What kind of Tube amp because there are models that are really more powerful than AVRs. Another thing is that the KefQ5 are very sensitive speakers same with the 602. In my case I use a 8 watt SET so my speaker options are limited. It can drive very well sensitive speakers like the KefQ5 or even the B&W602. Anyway my B&Ws are connected with my AVR and not my tube amps and it can drive them very well.
hey levi, glad to hear that you still have the 602's. I lost count na kasi sa audio upgrade mo. I guess it's one of those sets that you are keeping hopefully. I might be ready for an upgrade real soon but the B&W's are staying.
now back to the topic. I agree with Levi, the 602s3 is not really power hungry. my 35 watt st70 is enough to make them sing. I have one I and use them alternately on my HT and all Tube audio setup. Very nice matchup with my Tono preamp, Hagerman phono preamp and modified ST70. it took a lot of tweaking to tame the slight brightness but I actually got it to sound the way I like it.
if there's one thing I learned from this hobby is that you don't get hung-up with the brand and don't make sweeping statements that one brand blows the other brand. They were all designed and voiced uniquely and they present themselves differently. You decide as to what sounds good to you and what matches with your setup. Remember there are other factors to consider it's all about matching the entire chain.
I have been lucky to hear sets from a friend who can try out different speakers, amps, cables etc. Because he actually volunteered to break them in for customers- he knows a local dealer. boy, there's are mega dollar speakers, cables, etc that just doesn't match well. At the end of the day, we learn, we make notes and we move on.
Cheers!
hi everyone, i'm trying to setup a HT speaker system and one of the speaker brands i'm looking at is B&W. Particularly 603 s3, lcr600 s3, Ds6 for surrounds. But what made me hesitate is that someone told me B&W's 600 series are made in china now. is this true? i know the DM300 series has been made in china for some time already. This same fellow said the older made in england 600 series sound better than the new 600's. I know some will say it doesn't matter where it's made but still it gives me doubts that workmanship and materials may not be the same.
I'm also considering Focal JMLab's Chorus 714s with its complement of CC700s and SR800s(Frenchie made),
JBL Northridge E80 and its complement of EC25 & E10 (US made?)
Infinity Beta 40, C250, Beta 20 surround (china / taiwan made?)
I'm still looking into other brands or options.
AVR will probably be either a Denon 2805/3805(japan made) or HK AVR630(china made). I kind of got discouraged with HK when I found out its made in china. It may be high current and all but there's this nagging feeling about this fact.
hi minicooper.
when did you acquire your B&W speakers? maybe you're right the drivers or enclosures might be made in china.
i was more or less dead set on B&W then this piece of info came along...kinda put a damper on things.
Hi MiniCooper,
I only believe in cable resistance and inductance as the primary things to consider
in choosing the right cable for the job. An ordinary gauge 14 cable should do as
well as an outrageously expensive THX-certified Monster cable of the same gauge.
I assure you, you will not be able to hear any difference between the two if you
were blindfolded.
My B&W 600 series speakers are all made in U. K. It says so at the back portion of the speakers
(near the speaker terminals) and at the user manuals. I don't know if there is a difference in performance
between Chinese made and U. K. made B&W speakers but I believe the savings in cost
(since Chinese labor is very cheap) might make B&W speakers more affordable. I think there
will be not much difference in sound for B&W speakers made in U. K. or B&W speakers made in China.
B&W is serious about quality and customer satisfaction, so I don't think they will risk having their speakers
made in China if it could adversely affect the quality of their speakers.
- Kevlar
Did you forget about capacitance?
Not really. For speaker cables, the effect of cable capacitance
is negligible compared to the effect of either cable resistance
or inductance. The opposite is true of interconnects (capacitance
having more impact than either resistance or inductance).
No argument there, but the effects are often audible only at very long cable lengths.
I perfectly agree with you av_phile1... I just can't believe why so many audiophiles
believe in buying outrageously expensive cables when their typical application
is no longer than 10 ft! ...Some even go to the extent of claiming to be able to hear
'better soundstaging', 'better imaging', 'more holographic sound', and 'more palpable
presence' with their use of those outrageously expensive cables... :)
Oops! I should stop here... I'm way off-topic already... :)
- Kevlar
Mga bosing. just recently aquired a B&W 602S3 match with denon 1800. im enjoying the sound produce by this baby in HT and Audio listening. but i find it lack of bass. what brand and model of subwoofer should match this? should i change my amp or buy a subwoofer? my friend told me if i go for HT its should be velodyne. if i go for Audio listening B&W sub is a must. ??? thanks guys ;D
a tweak for b&w602 users
http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/tweaks/messages/93785.html
Any feedback ? any member tried these tweaks ? kindly post your comment. I'm thinking of doing it...any advise on speaker wire replacement ? I have a extra QED silver anniversary speaker cable, can it be use a replacement for the internal speaker wire ?
TIA
The recommended tweak seems simple enough - just a matter of ensuring good contact where the crossover input meets the terminals. With regards the magical result, I leave that to the tweaker.
With regards changing internal speaker wires, that's often the least tweakers do to pressumably enhance their speakers. We're talking a few inches of wires here, a foot or two at the most, so using exotic silver wires or even thicker gauge wires may or may not improve the sound. But I guess, it really makes no sense using exotic wires between the amp and speaker, if the last 2 inches between the speaker terminal/crossover and the driver is just your hardware variety cable, right? Again, I leave that to the ears of the tweaker. If you know how to go about this, I see no problem with changing wires inside the speakers that you think will do wonders. Just make sure you at least know how to solder. Cold solder points might make things worst.
God willing all ok tweak mo sadik :)
Aywa Sadik, though did not achieve expected result but learned something new. Experimenting...I guest is the best part of this hobby/passion.
cheers
KEN,
If you really want to improve the sound of your B&W stereo system in a way that you can really
hear a 'dramatic' difference, here is my suggestion which requires a good subwoofer
like Velodyne (I suggest the CHT series).
1. Set your B&W stereo speakers to 'SMALL' (not 'LARGE').
(Also set 'subwoofer' to 'ON' if it is not 'ON'.)
2. Set your receiver crossover frequency to 150 Hz. This will send 150 Hz signals
and below to your subwoofer.
3. Set your tone controls to BASS=-6 and TREBLE=0. Compensate for the loss in BASS
of your stereo speakers by increasing the volume of your subwoofer (about 12 o'clock position).
4. Set your subwoofer crossover to 'in' and set your subwoofer crossover frequency
to 110 Hz. (Now don't worry about the 110 Hz - 150 Hz signal; in most receivers like ONKYO,
it will not be completely lost, just reduced in level.)
With this set-up, you're going to need a subwoofer. I assure you however, that you will hear
subtle nuances in music that you will not have heard before. Your B&W 600 series speakers
will sound like the Nautilus 800 if you remove bass from your main stereo speakers
and redirect them to your subwoofer like what is being done in this set-up.
Feel free to experiment with variations of this set-up if you like. Most of all, enjoy tweaking
your B&W system to achieve that 'perfect' sound.
- Kevlar
when i auditioned the 603 vs 704, the 704 sounded much better for me. aint no audiophile but to me the 704 made the music more "alive". the piano for example, sounded more "realistic"like when i hear actual piano keys being struck, while the 603 kinda flat or "soft" or duller. the amp that was used was an Onkyo Integra. don't know if that kind of amp is any good but the 704 sounded much better. but then it costs twice the price of the 603.....but then even if you get two sets of 603's it wont sound any better than one set of 704. hehehe
when i auditioned the 603 vs 704, the 704 sounded much better for me. aint no audiophile but to me the 704 made the music more "alive". the piano for example, sounded more "realistic"like when i hear actual piano keys being struck, while the 603 kinda flat or "soft" or duller. the amp that was used was an Onkyo Integra. don't know if that kind of amp is any good but the 704 sounded much better. but then it costs twice the price of the 603.....but then even if you get two sets of 603's it wont sound any better than one set of 704. hehehe
hi kevlar, wilson audio and revel nice brands to upgrade to. how about them Focal JMlabs? just their alto Utopias cost more than a million pesoses already or maybe the grand Utopias around five million pesoses a pair only. :P
I wish someone on this forum would give feedback on this brand. Particularly the Chorus and Cobalt models.
how about them Focal JMlabs? just their alto Utopias cost more than a million pesoses already or maybe the grand Utopias around five million pesoses a pair only. :P
I wish someone on this forum would give feedback on this brand. Particularly the Chorus and Cobalt models.
anybody use 24bit cd's or higher octave cd's to your system?
kumusta performance nang B&W subwoofer ASW 1000
i saw one selling sa board for 25th
parang mahal ?
kumusta performance nang B&W subwoofer ASW 1000
i saw one selling sa board for 25th
parang mahal ?
mga gurus,
is there a big improvement in performance on a 602s1 to an s3? does both have the same physical appearance?
thanks :)
who owns 603's s3 here? and lcr600? am leaning towards these speakers for an upgrade....
and magkano na street prices ng mga ito...TIA..pa pm naman.. ;D ;D
yes it is. :)thanks Kawboy ;)
hello guys...is this the calvados color? ??? thanks :)
(http://martin.prisjakt.nu/B&W/DM602_2.jpg)
yup that's true, i'll be working on a 16sq m space kaya 603's for me will be adequate na. ordered na those and lcr600 and 601 for surrounds. denon 3805 will be powering them. thanks for the tip kevlar. very much appreciated. :) :)
hello guys...is this the calvados color? ??? thanks :)honestly...
(http://martin.prisjakt.nu/B&W/DM602_2.jpg)
sir kevlar, no,its not the same as the sorrento finish. i think that color is hardly available here.but when i bought my ixos cable,went at B&W showroom at greenhills last year.may in-offer silang calvados finish for 601 or 602s3 ata yun.
just curious about this calvados color......it sure looks nice but when i visited the B&W website, there are only two (2) available colors listed for the 600s3 models, black ash & sorrento finishes..... 8)
thanks sir.... ;D ;D
congrats sir munskie, that's an awesome set-up to say the very least......it will definitely rock your 16-sq.m. room
8)
mga gurus,
is there a big improvement in performance on a 602s1 to an s3?
thanks :)
up lang for more opinions. just wanted to have an ease in mind before making a decision.
yup sir classicman,ako din naguluhan dati. but meron talagang ganyang color pero siguro its just limited. :).... ganda sir classicman noh? :D
ay oo bro ronjet, meron nga niyan, calvados kinuha ko e, di naman siguro limited, try mo sa ibang shops.
kakabili ko lang a few months ago kay sonny t.
yan nga sinuggest niyang color, mas may re-sale value daw.
nagustuhan ko rin nga... mas class tingnan. :)
ay oo bro ronjet, meron nga niyan, calvados kinuha ko e, di naman siguro limited, try mo sa ibang shops.
kakabili ko lang a few months ago kay sonny t.
yan nga sinuggest niyang color, mas may re-sale value daw.
nagustuhan ko rin nga... mas class tingnan. :)
mas gusto ko nga rin ang kulay na yan, sayang :(......pero oks na rin sa akin ang black ash 602s3 & lcr60 ko :D......but am still curious why that color is not recognized or listed at the B&W website ::)
bro kawboy, paki-confirm lang if the boxes containing the speakers has the words "Made in England - Fabrique en Angleterre" printed on them, TIA 8)
sir classicman,im not sir kawboy.but ill answer din yung question mo sir. mine has it on its box,paside siya naka sulat (i mean,patagilid siya naka print,and meron din "DM is a trademark of B&W loudspeakers Ltd.," )but mine is not calvados,sorrento...... im curious why you asked it sir? ::)
ganyan din ang sa akin, sir ronjet......naitanong ko lang yun coz i've heard or read somewhere that the newer batches of B&W speakers (at least the 600 series & below) are now made in china daw ::), although it still has a sticker pasted at the back of the speaker itself that says it is "Made in England", di ko rin alam kung totoo ito o hindi kaya nga curious din ako...... 8)
WOW sir Kawboy! ;D i can say..your one lucky guy! :D kung meron talaga niyan nung time na bumili ako,wala ng isip isip..i'll get the same color too! ;D i said po na limited kasi for me, biruin mo sa dami ng may b&w dito.baka 1 or 2 lang kayo na may ganyan.hehe :D kaya for me,i can consider that is. ;) but wala kasi ganyan e.so i just settle to get the sorrento.(iniisip ko nalng pag natatapat sa control light na mas darker and mas red siya ;D). im not aware din dati na may ganyang color until nakita ko lang yan sa sound and vision ata na magazine or home theatre mag.ganyan kasi yung color ng nireview nila and they said na its look like a real wood daw. that time nga nung binabasa ko yun e,yung color talaga ang unang nagandahan ako,naisip ko na baka sorrento din,only just because na na-edit or sa camera lang. so siguro nga mas mataas re-sale value or siguro ang ibig sabihin nung mas may mataas na re-sale eh, for example, if two guy selling pre-owned b&w speaker, one with sorrento or black color and the other one selling his calvados.i think siguro mas maunang mabibili yung calvados but at the same price.hehe..kaya baka siguro yun ang ibig sabihin ng mas mataas na re-sale value niya. ;) kung meron lang ngayon niyan and di pa ako nakakabili or pagbibili uli,syempre wala ng tanong tanong.that calvados finish will i choose. ;)
up lang for more opinions. just wanted to have an ease in mind before making a decision.
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sirs, question lang po kaya po bang drive ng Yammy RXV450 (85w min. output) ang DM602 S3 120w (90dB) or mas ok kung mag DM601 s3 100w (88dB) na lng ako ? sabi kase ng iba mas mataas n sensitivity dB mas madaling drive.... gusto ko kase yung DM602 kaya lng baka hirap yammy ko kase 120w ang DM602 pero mas mataas naman dB ng DM602 90dB kumpara sa DM601 88dB
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Wala pa raw memo.
Pasensya na sir, hindi ko naitanong, pro parang Toyama lang ata e.
ano na po kaya balita sa sale ng toyama... inaantay na to ni sir classicman. :) hehe
hello guys what speaker cable are you using for 602s? im currently using #12 generic transparent type happy naman ako but would to experiment lang sana ::) ...any suggestions? thanks
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Hello B&W users![/b]
I just received a free copy of the 'Sound Experience' DVD from the B&W 800
series website. ---> http://www.bwspeakers.com/bw800/flash_en.html
It contains documentary about the B&W 800D (diamond) series as well as
sample music videos.
If you would like to get a free copy of the 'Sound Experience' DVD,
just fill up the form in the link below:
http://bwspeakers.pilotbean.com/dvd_promo/getadvd.aspx?lang=en
I didn't expect B&W to really send me the free DVD but I have received it.
(I filled up the form Jan 4 and received my free DVD today, Jan 20).
Try it, you have nothing to lose and a free DVD to gain!
FREE DVD! FREE DVD! FREE DVD! FREE DVD! FREE DVD!
Hello B&W users![/b]
I just received a free copy of the 'Sound Experience' DVD from the B&W 800
series website. ---> http://www.bwspeakers.com/bw800/flash_en.html
It contains documentary about the B&W 800D (diamond) series as well as
sample music videos.
If you would like to get a free copy of the 'Sound Experience' DVD,
just fill up the form in the link below:
http://bwspeakers.pilotbean.com/dvd_promo/getadvd.aspx?lang=en
I didn't expect B&W to really send me the free DVD but I have received it.
(I filled up the form Jan 4 and received my free DVD today, Jan 20).
Try it, you have nothing to lose and a free DVD to gain!
anyone here knows where i can audition B&W 800's ? ::) contact me here at my email add
cbaniqued@gmail.
Just an update...
B&W's free 'Sound Experience' DVD can be quite boring
in some portions like during some of the artists' interviews.
Also, some perfomances are good and sound good while
some well, sound uninteresting. Well, at least it's free... ;)
sir ronjet, inaantay mo rin ata ito eh, hehehe ;D ;D......balita ko kasi 70% off daw sa 600s3 ;D ;D ;D (joke lang po)
update :
just called B&W (west ave showroom) and asked them about their "inventory sale" and sabi wala pa daw memo and wala daw sinasabi pa sa kanila na may inventory sale??? how come na maynagpost na dito? sana po maconfirm if this( upcoming inventory sale) is true... and wala na pala silang showroom sa greenhills. kaya pala wala na sumasagot sa phone nila dun. yung sa west ave nalang daw.
The 'inventory sale' could be related to the 'closing out' of their Greenhills showroom.
Maybe they can consign some of their B&W inventory to Soundroom SM/Ayala
at discounted prices so we can also benefit from the 'inventory' sale (if any).
waah yung sakin wala pa ....last december pa yun !!!! :'(
sir elvenears, dadating din po yun sir. baka nandito na yun sa atin di lang nadadala pa.... just hope na hindi pinagintresan yun.. ;)
FREE DVD! FREE DVD! FREE DVD! FREE DVD! FREE DVD!
Hello B&W users![/b]
I just received a free copy of the 'Sound Experience' DVD from the B&W 800
series website. ---> http://www.bwspeakers.com/bw800/flash_en.html
It contains documentary about the B&W 800D (diamond) series as well as
sample music videos.
If you would like to get a free copy of the 'Sound Experience' DVD,
just fill up the form in the link below:
http://bwspeakers.pilotbean.com/dvd_promo/getadvd.aspx?lang=en
I didn't expect B&W to really send me the free DVD but I have received it.
(I filled up the form Jan 4 and received my free DVD today, Jan 20).
Try it, you have nothing to lose and a free DVD to gain!
Brandon,
I'm sorry, I'm just new here but when I read your post, I immediately sign up the form but until now haven't received the DVD. :( On your opinion do you know what must be the reason why :'(
sir when & where po???
The inventory sale 4 dis did push thru actually but it was offered only to dealers?..> And guess what? Mr. Sonny Tuazon got the offer. According to him pinakyaw niyang lahat yung mga units ng B&W Toyoma . Usually mga display units ito and some are new pa.... I think the deal was made sometime last week and to my surpise and luck :D :D I got the DM603S3 at a very very very ......... attractive offer. And the last I can recall may dm600 s3 pa siya. So guys, what are you waiting for....... ;) call na..... ;D
The inventory sale 4 dis did push thru actually but it was offered only to dealers?..> And guess what? Mr. Sonny Tuazon got the offer. According to him pinakyaw niyang lahat yung mga units ng B&W Toyoma . Usually mga display units ito and some are new pa.... I think the deal was made sometime last week and to my surpise and luck :D :D I got the DM603S3 at a very very very ......... attractive offer. And the last I can recall may dm600 s3 pa siya. So guys, what are you waiting for....... ;) call na..... ;D
The inventory sale 4 dis did push thru actually but it was offered only to dealers?..> And guess what? Mr. Sonny Tuazon got the offer. According to him pinakyaw niyang lahat yung mga units ng B&W Toyoma . Usually mga display units ito and some are new pa.... I think the deal was made sometime last week and to my surpise and luck :D :D I got the DM603S3 at a very very very ......... attractive offer. And the last I can recall may dm600 s3 pa siya. So guys, what are you waiting for....... ;) call na..... ;D
nag iinquire lang naman...hehehe....symptomas pa lang naman ng sars pero di pa naman full blown SARS....meron pa gamot eh...HPO ;D ;D
FREE DVD! FREE DVD! FREE DVD! FREE DVD! FREE DVD!
Hello B&W users![/b]
I just received a free copy of the 'Sound Experience' DVD from the B&W 800
series website. ---> http://www.bwspeakers.com/bw800/flash_en.html
It contains documentary about the B&W 800D (diamond) series as well as
sample music videos.
If you would like to get a free copy of the 'Sound Experience' DVD,
just fill up the form in the link below:
http://bwspeakers.pilotbean.com/dvd_promo/getadvd.aspx?lang=en
I didn't expect B&W to really send me the free DVD but I have received it.
(I filled up the form Jan 4 and received my free DVD today, Jan 20).
Try it, you have nothing to lose and a free DVD to gain!
got my copy too...wass pleasantly surprise ;D ;D
got my copy of this free DVD yesterday after about a month of waiting, it's very nice & well worth the long wait 8)
just tried experimenting with my receiver and sub to have a new sound from my 600s3's 8) ;).. la lang magawa last night kaya i tried changing some setting of my receiver. i adjust the frq crossover setting of my receiver from 80hz to 120hz = and sub from 70hz to 100hz cutoff. 2ohz difference from receiver 120hz to sub 100hz compensated by its their roll-off (tama po ba?) 120 to 100 and 100 to 120 ??? and adjust the treble (tone setting of receiver) from 0 to -2. bass = 0 pa din. my front speaker(602) is always set to SMALL (all of my speakers = to small; sub=on) listening in stereo mode(receiver pala is marantz). noticed huge difference in soundstage! :o 8) and lalong gumanda clarity sa mid... galing! and parang lumakas lalo??? luminaw din yung low freq, ang akala ko,mas hihina o mas lalabo because I set yung crossover(both front and sub) niya sa mas mataas. to my surprise,lalong naging claro and musical.... hmmm.. sorry po, kung medyo magulo,di masyado marunong magexplain e. but meron talagang malaking difference now sa tunog...
if anyone knows who can translate this na mas maganda,pls do po. and kung may advice. willing to know it. ;) sarap para magkalikot. yung voice nung kumakanta is nakadikit na yung tenga ko sa screen ng tv.(stereo mode lang,off yung tv...center is placed below tv)pero parang dun pa din siya nanggagaling.
Congrats bro ronjet,
You've just discovered the 'magic' of B&W's 600 series speakers...
By setting the receiver crossover higher, you have made the midrange
reproduction purer, clearer and DRAMATICALLY better and the
bass reproduction cleaner and fuller!
You should try to experiment more with the crossover settings for your
receiver and subwoofer as well as the volume level balance of your
subwoofer vs. your main speakers. Also try experimenting with the
bass and treble levels, the speaker toe in angle, speaker distance from
the front wall and side wall, subwoofer placement and orientation angle
with respect to the listener, and distance between the main speakers
as well as center speaker placement. Try also Dolby Prologic II processing
and acoustic treatment if you haven't done so yet. If you get the settings right,
chances are, you will never go back to stereo. ;D
You have just realized as I did before, that OPTIMIZING your set up
has tremendous impact on the resulting sound quality. And that they don't
cost a cent and can have a bigger, more dramatic impact than upgrading your
receiver! However, they do cost you LOTS OF TIME, EFFORT AND DEDICATION.
Go on with the experimentation so that like me, you'll be able to truly say,
'Do your speakers sound live? Mine does!' ;D
FREE DVD! FREE DVD! FREE DVD! FREE DVD! FREE DVD!
Hello B&W users![/b]
I just received a free copy of the 'Sound Experience' DVD from the B&W 800
series website. ---> http://www.bwspeakers.com/bw800/flash_en.html
It contains documentary about the B&W 800D (diamond) series as well as
sample music videos.
If you would like to get a free copy of the 'Sound Experience' DVD,
just fill up the form in the link below:
http://bwspeakers.pilotbean.com/dvd_promo/getadvd.aspx?lang=en
I didn't expect B&W to really send me the free DVD but I have received it.
(I filled up the form Jan 4 and received my free DVD today, Jan 20).
Try it, you have nothing to lose and a free DVD to gain!
Brandon or Ronjet: What AVR do you suggest I get for 602S3? For movies and music is yamaha 657
enough or should I get yamaha 1400? I was able to
listen to B&W's and I was really impressed especially sa
vocals :)
thanks also sir brandon :)
ganung nga po nangyari, much clearer lalo yung mid :D yup, I'll try din to set yung DPL II - music. kaya lang i used dipole po for surround. ok lang po ba yun?
Brandon or Ronjet: What AVR do you suggest I get for 602S3? For movies and music is yamaha 657
enough or should I get yamaha 1400? I was able to
listen to B&W's and I was really impressed especially sa
vocals :)
ronjet,siguro nga live masyado room ko, aside from being it a small room. bare wall pa yung right side, back and front! :o ;D hehehe. yung left wall lang and may floor to ceiling na curtain :D ill send you pic if ill have one. ;D ill try to angle it more,kasi siguro dahil sa pagbounce agad nung sound before it reaches me.being so much closer at the wall kasi.
I think dipoles will do for prologic II music since the surround channels are generally 'derived' ambience sounds.
If the music source is in a native 5.1 format however, (Dolby 5.1/DTS 5.1/DVD-A 5.1/SACD 5.1),
rear imaging will be better with direct-radiating/monopole speakers.
As regards yung brightness of the metal tweets, it primarily depends on the source material.
Eagles' 'Farewell' DVD sounds excessively bright with B&W's 600 speakers but their 'Hell Freezes'
DVD sounds warm.
Also, the toe in angle can have dramatic impact on the degree of 'brightness' or 'warmness'
of B&W speakers. Room acoustics also play a role. Too much damping can make B&W's sound
muffled and too dark while too live a room can make them sound bright.
Also check if you amp has ample power if you frequently listen at high volumes.i dont have any amp aside from my receiver, i listen lang naman sir brandon at -20 to -15 both in movies and music. depende po sa recording,transfer. sometimes -24 nga. bihirang bihira yung -13(napansin ko din na mabilis lumakas na pagbaba ng -15 and volume ;D kaya bihira ko maadjust sa ganito).
Amps with limited power will make B&W's sound bright at higher volumes.
Some amps also are just plain 'bright sounding' while some are plain 'warm or dark sounding'.
That's where the treble controls and proper configuration come into play.
Experimentation with settings and adjustments to suit our very specificdefinitely true!
individual taste is the key to happiness in this hobby and the antidote
to frequent equipment upgrading. ;D
Brandon and Ronjet,
Thank you so much for your replies! Mukhang pareho kayo in not recommending Yamaha for B&W :) Meron ako kasi living room na nilagyan ko ng ceiling speakers kaya leaning ako sana towards yamaha coz of speaker B.
Ang Rotel ba or HK meron din speaker B? Also ang Rotel ba meron 6.1 or 7.1? If ever wala sila speaker B, ok
lang ba gumamit ako ng speaker selector (ung sa Ace Hardware) ? Last na po, do you guys use Auto Voltage Regulator? Is it really important to have one? Thanks again, I really appreciate your inputs :) By the way 19 sqm ung room. :)
Dtug. I am using an Onkyo 601 for my B&W 602 and 601 for the past 2 years now. From my experience, B&W have an outstanding performance
even at medium power output for a 12 sq ft room i have.
B&W speakers are very warm souding when they are matched with HK or Onkyo receivers. The clarity of the vocals blended with tight bass will be fully optimized by HK. Construction of the Yammies are well known for HT but will overpower the B&W on the audio side because of its brightness. Audition lang katapat nyan. By the way, HK has zone 2 option. Good luck on your purchase. ;)
Get an AVR like Yaden. Don't get those from computer shops, they're useless. For just Php2.5k+, you're protecting your investment.
Thanks hurricayne! I was informed that hk 330 has a zone 2 option and thanks to the posts here in pinoydvd I've decided to go hk coz of its well known POWER ;D It will be a good match for sure ;D Have any of you guys heard 602s3's paired with velo cht-12r? mag match kaya?
Hi Sauron! Ok ung Yaden kung 2,500 sya. I saw kasi sa Ace Hardware 5,000+ and 1,500 watts. Pag may kidlat ubra kaya ang AVR? :D
Dtug good choice yan HK 330. In fact gusto ko na magupgrade to HK 335 para more power to drive my B&W setup. As for the Velo CHT12R no doubt it will seamlessly blend with B&W 602s3. I myself am using a CHT-10R but for your space CHT12R will do the job. Ika nga ni Matzer, you wouldn't need bass shakers for Velo subs because this will rock the house. If you prefer a sealed sub try auditioning B&W ASW 600 or 650. Good luck bro.
I bought one in 2003 pa. Contact Rene Rivo (hyperaudio/hypertriode) to ask what's the current price and if he has it in stock.
Makisali naman mga tol.
For me I don't adjust trebles or bass when listening to music in 2 channel. However, for 5.1 music (especially movie concerts), my speakers, especially the fronts are being integrated with the sub. Although, there is a scientific method in doing this, what I did is just simple. with a test tone generator I downloaded from the web, playback the low frequencies and adjust the volume of the sub up to the point that you won't notice the transfer of the low bass by the sub to the midbass by your front speakers.
guys, am new here, meron pa bang distributor ng b&w dito sa pinas, co'z when i check their official site, wala ng nakaindicate na philippine distributorship. just wondering tnx. by the way if u guys don't mind, how can i contact mr. sonny tuazon tnx a lot!
bai juvinyl,
I have an Avia DVD which I used calibrate my subwoofer level with reference to my main speaker levels.
However, I realized that as my ears got more discerning and critical, SPL meters and calibration disc
and tone generators became only useful as a starting point in setting up. Afterwards, I had to fine tune
the music to my taste/ears.
Not using the tone controls in my set up does not result to my B&W 600 speakers sounding 'live'
at least to my critical ears, since they are not the expensive Nautilus 800 models.
However, I can assure anybody that with optimization in speaker position, crossover and
tone control settings and subwoofer and main speaker volume balance, my set up sounds
the best it can possibly be, at least to me. That is what ronjet discovered for himself in his set up.
If you are interested, I can give you a demo of the dramatic change my speakers can achieve
from the 'purist' settings (no tone controls and no prologic processing) to my personally
configured prologic II settings. I'm sure it will give you goosebumps for sounding eeriely 'live'
for prologic II setting... ;D
Brandon,
That would be interesting to listen to especially with your speakers, dm604 s3 as fronts. Wow! that's 200 watts a lot of power. And i'm afraid, we might have different listening levels and the sound of your speakers might damage my ears. :(
I heard you broke your fronts once? I saw your speakers at Circuit city at the time ready for shipment to the repair shop. I know now that it was yours becuase circuit told me that there is only 1 b&w 604 s3 owner in cebu. ;D
I know you won't get interested with my setups: I have 5.1 setup wharfedale diamond 8 series with 8.4 as fronts with 44" widescreen rptv. In my music room I have b&w 705 in stereo setup powered by rotel ra-03 with nad c542 cdp and a turntable as sources. My HT setup is seldom used and I spend most of my time listening to music. Now, planning to upgrade my music system to separates, e.g., rb-1080, rc-1070 and nad cdp as amp, preamp source combination.
thanks for reading and have a nice day.
ang lakas siguro ng mga 604 ano.....minimum siguro room dyan at least mga 25-30 sq meters.... ;D
WOW...sana nasa cebu din ako. hehehe..para maki-join sa inyo... and si sir classicman ata may ginagawa na dedicated HT room :D hehe.. di ba sir classicman? all B&W din?
i did bi amped my 603s pero wala naman ako nagastos dun.....pwede lang kasi sa denon 3805 (although from 7.1 naging 5.1 na lang siya)...but i have spare 601s now.....pwede sya audio set-up pero wala pa dough dude....pero kung meron man...HPO pa rin tayo... ;D ;D
sir munskie, wow! asan na yung...S.......A.........R.......S??????..... nagamot ata o baka lumalala?
b.u.m.p. for B&W users :D
matinding question lang mga sir... anong ibang brand speakers and match sa 600series na pwede? in case lang na wala pang center?
paano magtimbre matching if different brand/model for center and fronts?
b.u.m.p. for B&W users :D
matinding question lang mga sir... anong ibang brand speakers and match sa 600series na pwede? in case lang na wala pang center?
paano magtimbre matching if different brand/model for center and fronts?
paano magtimbre matching if different brand/model for center and fronts?
With a pink noise, you can test and alter the tonality using tone control or equalizer. But I don't know if receivers have independent equalization for each channel. Maybe the flagships.
Wharfedales, B&W's and Paradigms sound similar. Actually when I first heard
Paradigms, they really sounded close to B&W's with more bass/treble.
For me, you can use wharfdale diamond 8 or 9 center(much better kung fully broken in na siya). Siya lang ang medyo malapit sa timbre matching since they both use kevlar drivers. Medyo adjust mo lang yung db level niya against sa fronts mo. Medyo matinis kasi ng kaunti yung highs ng B&W considering metal dome tweeter ang gamit niya against silk dome tweeter ng wharfs ;).
In my case kasi dati, una kong in-upgrade yung center ko (from diamond 8 to LCR60) and my fronts were diamond 8.3 kasi madalas ako sa movies and mas emphasized yung sound ng center speakers(vocal / dialouge) and medyo nacompensate niya yung weakness sa highs ng fronts ko resulting to a more seamless integration lalo na kung multi-channel music (dvd concerts). Adjust lang ng kaunti yung level ng center para pumareho sa fronts.
Kung fronts naman uunahin mong iupgrade, ok din siyang option kung mas madalas kang makinig ng music. 2- channel or direct mode lang and hindi gaano sa movies or multi-channel music . Although pwede mo namang macompensate yung levels nila as stated above ;D
My 2 cents... :)
thanks sir toquero, noted that. :) ill try din yung wharf 9cs or 9cm.
I listen mostly to classical music...maybe 95% of the time, with the remaining 5% to all else (including movies). My stereo receiver (2 x 100 watts / into 8 ohms, minimal impedance: 2 ohms) is probably what others would call "bright" (spec sheet lists frequency response as "5Hz-100KHz"), but I really like it sounding as it does with a wide open top. I'm looking for speakers that would just reproduce whatever's coming out of this receiver, without "brightening" it or "muffling/dampening" it. Are B&W speakers good for these purposes, receiver specs, and type of music (classical)? If yes, what model(s) do you recommend?Thanks.
And another thing is, if you in the future really want to upgrade to a B&W center, u can save na lang muna your moolah rather getting a temporary center, iwas sars ba... ;D .You can actually phantom the center speaker from the fronts. Your AVR will do it for you.
Just a suggestion, u can try to contact Mr. Sonny Tuazon and make a good deal in acquiring a B&W center from him. (terms ba?, 35-35-30) ;) Ok siyang kausap. At least parang investment mo na yan, di ka na mag-upgrade at nakuha mo din yung gusto mo if that's u really want. You can't go wrong with a B&W, sulit with every penny..... ;)
my 2 cents....
yup sir toquero,magupgrade din to B&W. :D ill try din you suggestion niyo,to call sir sonny about the "terms" you mentioned. thanks po.
sir, try nyo po B&W 602s3........best bang for the buck bookshelf speakers 8)
I have a B&W 602S3, for your listening preference I suggest your audition MA silver series same price range ng B&W 602S3 then decide which speakers you prefer.
sir, try nyo po B&W 602s3........best bang for the buck bookshelf speakers 8)
I listen mostly to classical music...maybe 95% of the time, with the remaining 5% to all else (including movies). My stereo receiver (2 x 100 watts / into 8 ohms, minimal impedance: 2 ohms) is probably what others would call "bright" (spec sheet lists frequency response as "5Hz-100KHz"), but I really like it sounding as it does with a wide open top. I'm looking for speakers that would just reproduce whatever's coming out of this receiver, without "brightening" it or "muffling/dampening" it. Are B&W speakers good for these purposes, receiver specs, and type of music (classical)? If yes, what model(s) do you recommend?Thanks.
got mine yesterday after a month, natuwa honey ko may napala na daw ako sa pdvd ;D
FREE DVD! FREE DVD! FREE DVD! FREE DVD! FREE DVD!
Hello B&W users![/b]
I just received a free copy of the 'Sound Experience' DVD from the B&W 800
series website. ---> http://www.bwspeakers.com/bw800/flash_en.html
It contains documentary about the B&W 800D (diamond) series as well as
sample music videos.
If you would like to get a free copy of the 'Sound Experience' DVD,
just fill up the form in the link below:
http://bwspeakers.pilotbean.com/dvd_promo/getadvd.aspx?lang=en
I didn't expect B&W to really send me the free DVD but I have received it.
(I filled up the form Jan 4 and received my free DVD today, Jan 20).
Try it, you have nothing to lose and a free DVD to gain!
I listen mostly to classical music...maybe 95% of the time, with the remaining 5% to all else (including movies). My stereo receiver (2 x 100 watts / into 8 ohms, minimal impedance: 2 ohms) is probably what others would call "bright" (spec sheet lists frequency response as "5Hz-100KHz"), but I really like it sounding as it does with a wide open top. I'm looking for speakers that would just reproduce whatever's coming out of this receiver, without "brightening" it or "muffling/dampening" it. Are B&W speakers good for these purposes, receiver specs, and type of music (classical)? If yes, what model(s) do you recommend?Thanks.
sir, try nyo po B&W 602s3........best bang for the buck bookshelf speakers 8)
Will my Yamaha RX-V450 be able to drive this? Thanks.
NO! :P JOKE! ;D
Will my Yamaha RX-V450 be able to drive this? Thanks.
yes sir, kayang-kaya po coz these speakers have high sensitivity at 90dB, actually i had that combo before & was very satisfied w/ them at our old modest-sized HT room :)......IMHO, you don't need a floorstander since you have an awesome sub in a velo 12r, all you need to add is an LCR60 s3 for your center & a decent pair of rears (any brand) & you'll have a great HT set-up for the moment
you can always upgrade your receiver to a higher-powered model (probably an RX-V659 ;D) but your choice of these speakers will be a keeper for about 10 years or even more ;)
just my 2 cents po........ 8)
Hmmmm... Thanks for the advice you honor. ;) Actually velo 10r lang yung sub ko. Kinapos ng budget when I bought the sub. ;D Na curious lang ako sa performance ng B&W 602s3 kasi lately puro yun ang gamit sa mga setup. I'm currently using a Wharf 8.3, wharf center, and WH-2 surrounds. What I'm planning is to upgrade the fronts first. Followed by the center. Then the surrounds if budget permits.
..... capability of your receiver & the drivability of these speakers, i suggest you bring your RX-V450 to an A/V shop carrying the 602s3 & request for an audition para "to hear is to believe" ika nga, hehehe ;D
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you shoud NOT upgrade your receiver now for the simple reason that the introduction of the new tech on HD-DVD & BD will definitely affect their compatibility w/ the new audio format(s) that they will offer, baka maging obsolete din bigla ang new receiver mo ::).........besides, your RX-V450 can very well drive the 602s3 so it can still serve your present needs, they may not be an ideal match but you'll be surprised at the capability of your receiver & the drivability of these speakers, i suggest you bring your RX-V450 to an A/V shop carrying the 602s3 & request for an audition para "to hear is to believe" ika nga, hehehe ;D
Or better yet, find a store that sells both products para hinid hassle kalasin yung HT setup ;D
no...no .... no....
totoo ba to sir leo???? gastos yan ah....
I used to own a Yamaha 496 and its driving well my 602.
Thanks for the info sir levi. Mas gusto ko talaga i-ugrade yung speakers eh. As classicman has mentioned, the speakers usually lasts longer than the receiver. And with the launching of HD-DVD and Blu-ray, baka magkaroon na naman ng bagong technology. Either way, gastos pa rin. ;D
bumili ka na kasi ng 602s3 at baka abutan ka pa ng price increase, hehehe ;D
Hmmmm... Thanks for the advice you honor. ;) Actually velo 10r lang yung sub ko. Kinapos ng budget when I bought the sub. ;D Na curious lang ako sa performance ng B&W 602s3 kasi lately puro yun ang gamit sa mga setup. I'm currently using a Wharf 8.3, wharf center, and WH-2 surrounds. What I'm planning is to upgrade the fronts first. Followed by the center. Then the surrounds if budget permits.
KAYA NAMAN PALA NG AVR MO EH, BILI NA! :P MAGANDA NANAMAN TUNOG NG SETUP MO EH! CURIOUS KA PANG NALALAMAN JAN! :P MAY SARS KA LANG TALAGA ;D ;D ;D hihihihi!!! :P sarap na mag inom nyan pag naka 602 ka na...kaya lang wala ka ng pang inom :P
hindi pa naman sigurado pero malamang, am just anticipating the worst scenario.......bakit, nakabili ka na ba ng bago ;D ;D ;D
bro ron! nandito ka pala sa thread na to ha! ano nanaman balak mo! hehe
bros.....how much na ba 602 5 s3 or 603 s3 na pinaka lowest dto? tnx
Mga B&W Speaker owners ask ko lang.
What receiver did you pair with your speakers?
Im using an HK235 and parang hindi ako satisfied sa tunog.
Masyadong pure wala man lang coloration.
Im planning to change my receiver or change speakers.
Still contemplating which path to take.
Advise/comments would be welcome.
Mga B&W Speaker owners ask ko lang.
What receiver did you pair with your speakers?
Im using an HK235 and parang hindi ako satisfied sa tunog.
Masyadong pure wala man lang coloration.
Im planning to change my receiver or change speakers.
Still contemplating which path to take.
Advise/comments would be welcome.
Mga B&W Speaker owners ask ko lang.I own B&W's (603s, lcr600, and 601s) and the one thing that ive heard about other guru's comments was that B&W's are hard to drive. If you're not satisfied with your set-up, don't change speakers if i may suggest, but pair it with a more powerful amp than say your HK235. Try to audition first though. SGT Home Theater will surely accomodate you. Try comparing your B&Ws with other amps and the one you have, with the same soundtrack, and maybe you'll hear the performance you like. ;D ;D
What receiver did you pair with your speakers?
Im using an HK235 and parang hindi ako satisfied sa tunog.
Masyadong pure wala man lang coloration.
Im planning to change my receiver or change speakers.
Still contemplating which path to take.
Advise/comments would be welcome.
I own B&W's (603s, lcr600, and 601s) and the one thing that ive heard about other guru's comments was that B&W's are hard to drive. If you're not satisfied with your set-up, don't change speakers if i may suggest, but pair it with a more powerful amp than say your HK235. Try to audition first though. SGT Home Theater will surely accomodate you. Try comparing your B&Ws with other amps and the one you have, with the same soundtrack, and maybe you'll hear the performance you like. ;D ;D
If your receiver has pre-outs, you could add a 5-channel power amp to your system ;Dyeah, if HK 235 has pre-outs, you can have a power amp to drive those B&Ws...future proofing pa to.... ;D ;D
ROTEL :Dno SARs for me now.....Im quite content with what I have thank you... ;D ;D ;D (my wife is looking while i'm typing this....holding a very big stick!!) ;D ;D
sir munskie :) ayan nanaman ang sars :) tagulan pa naman ngayon.... :D
tama ka munskie no need for upgrades rght now ;D Your DENON 3805 easily drives your B&W to its full potential. :D Ang galing nung DENON, akala mo MISSION yung B&W sa dali idrive ;D During our viewing we had to decrease the volume a number of times kasi ang lakas talaga and VERY DETAILED pa yung HF which i never expected for a jap amp to handle ;)
tama ka munskie no need for upgrades rght now ;D Your DENON 3805 easily drives your B&W to its full potential. :D Ang galing nung DENON, akala mo MISSION yung B&W sa dali idrive ;D During our viewing we had to decrease the volume a number of times kasi ang lakas talaga and VERY DETAILED pa yung HF which i never expected for a jap amp to handle ;)yup....and I calibrated it at 75db using a sound level meter. Maybe sa soundtrack and size ng room kaya we had to decrease volume. ;D
no SARs for me now.....Im quite content with what I have thank you... ;D ;D ;D (my wife is looking while i'm typing this....holding a very big stick!!) ;D ;D
ROTEL :Dis for sir newbiedin na baka magkasars ulit. hehe. kaya may itch kasi tagulan. hehe
sir munskie :) ayan nanaman ang sars :) tagulan pa naman ngayon.... :D
no SARs for me now.....Im quite content with what I have thank you... ;D ;D ;D (my wife is looking while i'm typing this....holding a very big stick!!) ;D ;D
Oh well...Oh Well... :)bro, kaya nga "no sars for now"...eh dumating, hehehe. ;D ;D
question sir munksie? ano na nangyari sa statement na'to? hehe... 2weeks lang at nagkasars na. hehe. ano na din nangyari sa "big stick"?
Congrats ulit sir munskie! :D
hehehe ;D ang bilis magreply..guilty na nagkasakit ka bro munskie ah. ;D ok, ako na ulit magsasabi for you bro munskie " again, no sar for me NOW." (this exact time)... pero sa totoo lang sir, ganda na sobra ng system mo... :) galing! 8)ronjet, salamat for the kind words.... ;D ;D
guys, which is better to drive 603s3? denon 3805 or yammy 4600? help naman tnx :)sir happy, i have the 603s and the denon 3805. ok na ok naman ang combination nya. especially, i can bi-amp the 603s thru the 3805. kayang kayang i drive naman at 120wpc (240wpc if bi amped). very good marriage so far, as heard by some members who had some ht sessions with me.
pardon for this question......
how much ang price range nang 600 or 700 series?
Yup, quality control and standards are still dictated from England. B&W in China are said to import the drivers from England. The rest are fabricated and assembled in CHina. Not all B&W models are made in China. Same with some Rotel and other British marks. OFten, the low-cost and some mid-priced models are produced in China, with the high-enders still made in England. Same with Japanese marks. Entry levels are produced in CHina and elsewhere but the flagships are still made in Japan. And many brands still retain the "Made In England" labels despite really being made in china. In a global economy, the place of manufacturer is supposed to be transparent to the consumers. The mark would like to retain its brand image in the market. It's the brand you are buying; forget where it's made. The standards of the brand are the same whether in England or in CHina. Pressumably. ;D
If you must have B&W's on a limited budget, skip the entry level 300 series
and save up for the 600 series. If budget is not a problem, or if you are planning
to upgrade from the 600 series, skip the 700 series and get the 800 series instead.
Boto me d2, member din ako ng B&W club forum and to tell you the truth, most of them specially the experienced once tell the same thing. eka nga nila : " If you currently have the 600 series, don itch for the 700, for twice the amount you get just afew improvements, some not even that noticable! just save the money and wait, GO STRAIGHT FOR THE 800's there is where the real improvement is shown".
Note: this may not be the same words but sigurado me na ganito and dating o nga pinararating!
Peace! :)
I would like to solicit you opinions on which is a better audio speaker between the B4 and the 602 S3. I am currently trying to decide which would have the widest sound range from the highs, mid lows and the lows. My music varies from classical, standards, flamencos, sambas, pock, rock etc. I will also be using this with an HT setup but will use this primarily for stereo/audio. The price of these 2 are almost at the same level, so price is not an issue.
Your expert views will count a lot.
Thanks and kind regards.
I would like to solicit you opinions on which is a better audio speaker between the B4 and the 602 S3. I am currently trying to decide which would have the widest sound range from the highs, mid lows and the lows. My music varies from classical, standards, flamencos, sambas, pock, rock etc. I will also be using this with an HT setup but will use this primarily for stereo/audio. The price of these 2 are almost at the same level, so price is not an issue.
Your expert views will count a lot.
Thanks and kind regards.
If this is your first brush with this hobby, I can assure you, you can't go
wrong with B&W 600 S3 speakers. Experiment with their placement, their orientation,
room treatment and set up. Don't be afraid to experiment with those crossover settings,
tone controls and DSP modes and I can assure you, you won't regret the purchase
and you won't have to upgrade for a long, long time. :)
anyone who knows the exact price of B&W 603 S3? and where can i buy this stuff?
guys, which is better to drive 603s3? denon 3805 or yammy 4600? help naman tnx :)
Ive read the Velo thread, and as what you've said, after LFEs, the Display...im in the search for details part na. The Proceed Combo is unhooked now, coz I dont want to overfamiliarize myself with high end SQ. Tell you in 2 channel music, the Proceed really runs away, winning. Ive never heard my 603s sing that well. So clean....and accurate. Crisp!! In HT...what ive noticed is that bass management is so good. Thats what the AVP2 can do. Bass is a solid thump. Walang extrang gapang (standing waves ba yun) which can be disturbing really. uhmm the right word I belive is...tight
Munskie! Wala bang review dyan regarding your new power amp upgrade?
Ive read the Velo thread, and as what you've said, after LFEs, the Display...im in the search for details part na. The Proceed Combo is unhooked now, coz I dont want to overfamiliarize myself with high end SQ. Tell you in 2 channel music, the Proceed really runs away, winning. Ive never heard my 603s sing that well. So clean....and accurate. Crisp!! In HT...what ive noticed is that bass management is so good. Thats what the AVP2 can do. Bass is a solid thump. Walang extrang gapang (standing waves ba yun) which can be disturbing really. uhmm the right word I belive is...tightassah...BASS pala.
Actually in HT, the Parasound-3805 combo doesnt lag that far in the Proceed (except in BAss managemnt---much tighter). Though my Parasound only powers the three front channels, that leaves additional power for the 3805 to power the surrounds. So nobodys getting deprived here. I havent tried bi amping yet, but thats another topic and another review.
Its in two channel audio that separation will be noticed. My final thoughts, the B&W 600 series are a bit power hungry. If youll feed them with an entry level receiver, its like locking a pit bull's jaw with a leather strap. Feed them with a higher end receiver, and theyll perform good. But when you play with separates, thats where the fun begins... :) :)
looking for a speaker to hook up h/k avr 340.. my plan was bw 603 s3 but it will be bright accrdng to some comments here.. and newbie is not happy with his setup h/k 235 and bw speakers (no model indicated)..hmmm, to fully experience (or confirm the comments), I suggest you audition the HK AVR 340-B&W 603 combo...then make your evaluations, ultimately,kasi your ears will be the judge. Most AV shops can accomodate that for you.
im also considering paradigm monitor 7, jm lab chorus 714, dali ikon 6.
ryt nw im using bose 301 with my new h/k.. not happy with the sound!
please help..
looking for a speaker to hook up h/k avr 340.. my plan was bw 603 s3 but it will be bright accrdng to some comments here.. and newbie is not happy with his setup h/k 235 and bw speakers (no model indicated)..
im also considering paradigm monitor 7, jm lab chorus 714, dali ikon 6.
For the 603 S3, Minimum na siguro yung HK 630/635.
Or the other way around, Try B&W 602 s3 for the HK340's.
mag 602 ka na lang then buy a better sub or a used 2channel amp. advantage lang 603/604 sa 602 e yung bass w/c a good sub can compensate(plus pogi points of floorstanders ;D)
pogi points talaga yung 603 floorstander :o :o :o
Tama, Pero sayang naman pogi points pag di maganda ang tunog :)tumpak!!! in this world of super hyped marketing and trends, id take substance over style anytime. its like a very graceful slashing move in basketball, he spun, slipped past defenders, but when he shot the ball, he missed.
Tama, Pero sayang naman pogi points pag di maganda ang tunog :)
according to user reviews and other forums 602 daw best bang for the buck sa 600 series. it's basically the 604 w/o the bass drivers. imho if you wana go bookshelves then the 602 is the way to go, kung floorstanders 604 naman if you have the space. they offer a bigger bass/midrange driver than the 601/603I really desired the 604s rin when I was HT hopping. theyre big and beautiful. kaya na highlight ko yung space, I only have a 16sq room. In your room ET, theyre in living room ba? kaya spacy in your end. in my end, baka kasi gumapang ng gumapang yung bass at di na macontrol or more or less its gonna be boomy. iba pa rin pag tight and detailed di ba? yun nga 603s ko, i have to calibrate them pa, medyo sobra pa sa room ko. i could have opted for the 602s...but of course, im also planning to have a bigger, spacious room someday.
peace :)
in case sa amp or receiver, it aint a bad thing to have much more power. In my case, I primarily used my 603s with a denon 3805 and was pretty satisfied, that was until I was SARsed into powering them by an external power amp. I did get one, and I swear (lumambot ang buhok ko!! hehe just playin) sonically the 603s did performed better. yes, someone at the shop is right, pwede naman I drive ng hk340 yung 603, but question is, how detailed the output is?
if i only knew na ndi kaya ng 340 ang 603 i should opted to buy maybe h/k 435, onkyo 702, denon 2805 or yamaha 659!!! kc FS is really my target speaker..
if not FS bnw, can jbl stage or maybe paradigm monitor 7 sound good with my h/k. just wana ask what amp do ppol use with 603..?
thanks for all the reply.. actuali i hav demo the bnw 603 and 602 just awhile ago but the amp was onkyo 901 (integra).. the sound was good in 602 but lack of bass as compare to 603. re the h/k 340, according to the shop 340 can drive the the 603 coz it is high current as was demo in their shop hooking with dali concept 6 FS which is 150watts.
i just checked and mukang may preouts naman ung hk340 :) imho that's both good news and bad news. the good news is its upgradable the bad news is dagdag gastos once sars hits! ;D i think that's what happened to me... maybe if i'd gotten the 602, i would'nt have gotten the rotel... oh well that's the price you pay for satisfaction ;D nobody ever said this was a cheap hobby ::)
Naku! pano na to mga bossing?bro ric, honest opinion ah, and this is just me, tutal you asked na rin, when i was shopping for speakers last december, I already have in mind the 603s from the start, coz I have a built room na and told myself, ok nato sa kwarto ko at budget ko. But when i chanced upon sound dimension in park square and saw the 604s, I said, WOW!!! ito ang speakers!! i saw 604s pa lang sa web page, but nung nakita ko sa SD, my eyes really lit up. syempre inquire agad ako about price, and even asked kung ok ba yung 604s sa room size ko, the guy said yes, saktong sakto yan, kakayanin na room mo. surprised, I asked again, cgurado ka? sa 16 sqm na room? he answered, akala ko 60 sqm sir!!, sir sobrang sobra yan sa room mo. Then I compared my room sa store size nila, then he commented, kahit daw 602 kakayanin na room ko.
Ung target ko na room to build in the near future for my dedicated HT room is about 22-23sq. m?
mga 14ft by 18ft by 8ft kc.
sosobra ba ung 604?
better off to stick nalang bako with my current setup and just ad sub/s, 1 or 2 CHT 12R maybe?
tapos concentrate nalang ako sa equiptments?
pano bako mga bossing? ???
sosobra ba ung 604?
better off to stick nalang bako with my current setup and just ad sub/s, 1 or 2 CHT 12R maybe?
tapos concentrate nalang ako sa equiptments?
pano bako mga bossing? ???
the HD DVD player bro... :) :)
iv read good reviews sa SVS. I think blending wont be a problem with the 600 series. yung shipping lang. ako rin im not familiar with how to import electronics from US. kung gusto mo talaga hi end sub, why not inquire ka muna sa AVDI? or LIS? they might recommend a brand that could work for your needs....
Upgrade na bro!!! Tapos bento mo sakin 602 mo. Hahaha ;D
kaw talaga bro, pinupuntirya mo ung 602 ko, eh kayang kaya mo naman lamgangan yun! hehehe!
pero bro, kung budget mo 60-70k...id rather get na lang a Velodyne, if pansin mo, pati sa b&W site sa htguide, they usually get Velo.....ull never go wrong with it kasi...me malaking sukli pa. :) :)
suggestion lang yan bro. ;D
nice to be back. :D nawalan din nang sars.. ngayon nakakabasa nanaman ako dito puro upgrade pa din talaga lalo na't malapit na christmas! :)
Congrats pala ng marami sayo Bro Munskie! NICE! :D now ko lang uli nakita!
Welcome back ronjet,tagal mo nawala ah :)
thanks for all the reply.. actuali i hav demo the bnw 603 and 602 just awhile ago but the amp was onkyo 901 (integra).. the sound was good in 602 but lack of bass as compare to 603. re the h/k 340, according to the shop 340 can drive the the 603 coz it is high current as was demo in their shop hooking with dali concept 6 FS which is 150watts.
still hav to bring my h/k tom for a demo just to make sure kc some1 is selling his 603 for 35k 2 months palang daw.. :) not sure kung 22o!
if i only knew na ndi kaya ng 340 ang 603 i should opted to buy maybe h/k 435, onkyo 702, denon 2805 or yamaha 659!!! kc FS is really my target speaker..
if not FS bnw, can jbl stage or maybe paradigm monitor 7 sound good with my h/k. just wana ask what amp do ppol use with 603..?
is paradigm monitor 5 or 7 alternate for bw 602 or 603? kc this will be my 2nd choice if i didnt lyk the bw..
hi, just demoed the BW speakers wid my new HK 340 tdy.. 1st we setup the 603 playing 2 channel stereo. the sound was good but it lacks the sound stage or should i say sound imaging.. wherein the vocals goes in between the 2 fronts.. like the center doing the sound.. why is this so?
then we tried movies in 5.1 setup. i can say that im satisfied with the output. 'cause i dont know how to judge the best sound for HT..
2nd we tried the 602 in stereo. the sound staging was good compared to the 603.. i dont know why.. ??? but when i played micheal jackson's "shes out of my life," it turns out that the sound was a little bright.
so we put back the old setup which is the onkyo integra with 603 hooked up. and agen played the mj song and the sound was not bright anymore. since we dont have the time we werent able to put back the 602.
does the 602 really has brighter sound than the 603?
hi, just demoed the BW speakers wid my new HK 340 tdy.. 1st we setup the 603 playing 2 channel stereo. the sound was good but it lacks the sound stage or should i say sound imaging.. wherein the vocals goes in between the 2 fronts.. like the center doing the sound.. why is this so?
Mga Bossing!
Question lang, pag naka B&W set up k, talaga bang Rotel ang pinaka maganda?
pano ung ibng brand like NAD, high current din sya diba?
Mid-Fi level lang ha, d kaya hi-end eh! hehehe!
correct me if im wrong, I think B&W, Rotel and Classe come from 1 big company...kaya Rotels are used to test the B&Ws. Whether Rotels are the best for B&Ws is very arguable/debatable. Some other brands which are high current match well too.....though for its value, Rotel stands out... :)
Welcome back ronjet,tagal mo nawala ah :)
Nakabili na kasi siguro yan ng bagong B&W, kaya matagal nawala.. ;)
naku! Master Matz..hindi,ganun pa din.2years ng walang palitan ng speakers. (yehey! matindi and vaccine ko:D) yun nga,nagbusy-busy-han lang. at sa time ng kung ano yung inaasikaso... nakita ko ang maganda mong kwarto sa kabilang forum:D (SSCF) hehe... daming nagagandahan din dun sa HT Room mo.. :D Iba tlaga!;)
I listened to a one million peso setup at SGT last weekend. 2 Classe monoblocks (class A/AB) and B&W 803's.wow!! a cool million huh? sanayan na lang cguro sa ears yan....if you let yourself be immersed with high end sound output, masasanay ka nga...thats why in my case I unplugged the Proceed combo, baka diko na ma appreciate yung akin....just like the 1.3 M PJ....what percentage improvement is it over the Pannyae900? uhhmm, lets say 20 percent, and thats being generous, but Panny isnt even a tenth of the cost. ;)
Hmm, sounded really wonderful, but one million?!?! IMHO, for the cost, its not worlds apart nor night & day difference from cheaper setups I have listened to (like a well powered/matched Dynaudio). OR maybe my ears just arent used to the sound of high end gear.
wow!! a cool million huh? sanayan na lang cguro sa ears yan....if you let yourself be immersed with high end sound output, masasanay ka nga...thats why in my case I unplugged the Proceed combo, baka diko na ma appreciate yung akin....just like the 1.3 M PJ....what percentage improvement is it over the Pannyae900? uhhmm, lets say 20 percent, and thats being generous, but Panny isnt even a tenth of the cost. ;)
sir newbie musta na sir? :)hahahaha......regalo ni misis yung huli ;D ;D tsaka in terms of cost:ratio in improvement, its one of the biggest improvement you can do to the HT....lalung lalo na sa PQ.... :) :) so yun hinirit kona...uhhmm....cguro papa vaccine na rin tayo nito, nagbebenta na nga tayo ng mga titles eh..
sir matz.... haha..oo nga. siguro matindi vaccine at wala ding pambili hindi kagaya ni sir munskie na lagi nalang congrats pagnag-greet ako. hehe
sir newbie musta na sir? :)
sir matz.... haha..oo nga. siguro matindi vaccine at wala ding pambili hindi kagaya ni sir munskie na lagi nalang congrats pagnag-greet ako. hehe
Ok naman sir RonJet.
Trying to sell my setup.
hi all,
my wife's boss just setup his HT using B&W but i'm not sure what exact model it was. but its a big one. he paired it with Anthem AVM-30, Toshiba HDDVD, and Samsung Blueray and with Optima projector. by the sound and looks of it would really pack some punch hehehe... and also damage his wallet...
hahahaha......regalo ni misis yung huli ;D ;D tsaka in terms of cost:ratio in improvement, its one of the biggest improvement you can do to the HT....lalung lalo na sa PQ.... :) :) so yun hinirit kona...uhhmm....cguro papa vaccine na rin tayo nito, nagbebenta na nga tayo ng mga titles eh..
hmmm... siguro nga 800's ito!!! may anthem e. ganda naman na partner niyan.. hula ko lang, hindi siguro nadamage wallet niya kung nakbili siya ng mga ganyan. hehehe...naku sir munskie, masama yan para sayo- na nakakarinig ka ng ganyan. heheronjet, ive heard the anthem avm50 courtesy of alvinthx2.....hehehehe, kahit ano gawin ko, kahit ano pa SARS dumapo sa akin, di kaya ng powers ko ang anthem, hehehehe......$4700 :o :o wow!!!
sir munskie ask ko lang kung magigigng ok naman ung tunog kung 603 den sorround 602, wala naman magiging problem sa ht? or mas pangit tumunog kung ganun?medyo malaki kc ung lugar i think 30sqmkung ok yung budget, you may want to consider B&W DS6, ok na ok to sa HT (if thats your priority) then use 600s as back surrounds. switchable monopole/dipole yung DS6....and very good in surrounds. 603 kayang kaya naman i fill up yung 30 sqm, especially if powered by a power amp, and combined with a very good sub like Velodyne. Power is essential where you need them most, at the front, di sa surrounds...... ;D ;D
mga sir overkill na ba ipartner ang 602 sa 603 as sorround? dapat 604 partner ng 602 ryt? gulo talaga.
mga sir overkill na ba ipartner ang 602 sa 603 as sorround? dapat 604 partner ng 602 ryt? gulo talaga.
WE THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE GREAT SUCCESS OF OUR B&W 600 SERIES 3 PACKAGE PROMO!!![/size]
what is the average local price for an ASW 675 sub?
and to those who have heard it, how does it sound? I am looking for overdamped (quick, stiff, dry) bass as oposed to underdamped (prolonged "gapang" bass with lots of decay).
thanks.
what is the average local price for an ASW 675 sub?
and to those who have heard it, how does it sound? I am looking for overdamped (quick, stiff, dry) bass as oposed to underdamped (prolonged "gapang" bass with lots of decay).
thanks.
is that a BW sampler CD?
how wer u ale to request one? tnx
I'm not sure if the free B&W sampler DVD offer is still on-going.
It was like January 2006 (or earlier) when B&W
offered it for free in their website.
Anyway, here's my previous B&W post which had the 'free DVD' link:
http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=56933.616
Alternately, if you'd rather want a direct link
to the B&W 'free DVD' website, click on the link below:
http://bwspeakers.pilotbean.com/dvd_promo/getadvd.aspx?lang=en
I registered my speakers 2 years ago sa bwspeakers.com, and got a free pen.
mukhang pinaginteresan pa nga dito, kasi wala akong natanggap,
They are so accomodating naman... they sent me another one.
di ko sure kung yun pa rin ang giveaways nila...
pero they have another site, www.bowers-wilkins.com
their giveaways here are better (at least on my opinion)
4 cds/dvd to choose from
http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/display.aspx?infid=793
I received mine today. ;)
para di ot. 600 series yung niregister ko. ;D
same... i registered my unit... cguro 3 yrs ago... i get a b&w keychain
meron na bang bagong 600 series ang b&w? how much? thanks
guys! available na ba dito ang mga bagong models ng 600 series?
meron na bang bagong 600 series ang b&w? how much? thanks
also got mine a few days ago.
pwede pala magRE-register hehe. Subukan ko nga. :)
@vtec3
i suggest u audition the speaker with the amp of your budget, at least mid level amp...
try mo audition un store sa may west ave. i think nakakabit dun integra na onkyo 901...
ganda ng sound!! ;D
Just bought B&W 602s3 and Wharf DFS.9 from SGT The Home Theater last August 15. This is to replace my generic DIY front and surround speakers driven by my Yamaha RXV550. Wow, the difference in sound quality is night and day!! Now I realized what I am missing for the past 3 years with the old generic speaker set up, being a 90/10 (HT/music) user. I dunno why peple say that 602s3 are "hard to drive" speakers, actually it is not. My Yammy 550 drives these 602 with ease, mainly because the 602 is rated at 90db sensitivity. And the sound is full bodied, not "manipis" as usually mentioned here. In fact, I have to reduce the sub's and receiver's tone settings by 2 notches as compared to my old speakers. I tried this set-up in karaoke, using Yammy's "Concert Hall" DSP and Shure SM58 microphone, my voice quality improved 10-folds!!! ;D :D ;)
My next project is the Velo CHT-R12, to replace my US Audio 12" sub. ::)
vtec,
bring your 659 with you when you audition with B&W and compare it with their onkyo and if you find it mejo matalas ang tunog compared sa onkyo then you can always look for another brand of speaker, or there is a speaker cable brand which can eliminate too much sharpness in hi's.
;)
vtec,
bring your 659 with you when you audition with B&W and compare it with their onkyo and if you find it mejo matalas ang tunog compared sa onkyo then you can always look for another brand of speaker, or there is a speaker cable brand which can eliminate too much sharpness in hi's.
;)
@vtec3
you got a nice amp der... yammy 659 ang unang choice ko wen i was looking for an amp pero nahypnotise ako
sa cnabi sakin na high current ng harman kardon, kaya un nabili ko is hk 340. so far cant seem to notice the 'wow'
na sound sa combi ng hk340 at bw602s3. if ever u will bring ur amp sa may west ave to audition ng bw pa invyt naman ako.. ;D
sabi nga nila ang bw is bright if hook up with yammy amp but kaw ang magdecide after mo ma-audition.. gluck!!
what's the min. power requirement i need for the fronts?
one of the members here(munskie) used the powerful denon 3805 w/ exactly those speakers and he still benifitted from adding a separate power amp :) like they say, you can never have too much power ;D
mga sirs thanks for your advice!
napuyat ako sa ka ka-browse ng mga set up nyo ;D. ang Rotel ni sir ET is huuuuuge.
sir Matz what an awesome setup, tulo laway ko sa listening room mo.
how's the bada singing right now? did you bought it in hong kong?
cheers
Sya smuggler este importer pala ;D
mga sirs thanks for your advice!
sir Matz what an awesome setup, tulo laway ko sa listening room mo.
how's the bada singing right now? did you bought it in hong kong?
Greetings,
I'm hoping to audition the 685 soon & was wondering if you guys could share any feedback or characteristics of this set?
Planning to use it as front speakers in an A/V set-up w/in 18-20sqm area.
TIA
greetings to all!
finally i was bitten up by AV bug and was able to purchase b&w 603s3 for my dedicated HT setup. though, i’ve auditioned the latest 68s’ series but because of budget constraint i opted to go for soon to be discontinued models. i think the deal was not that bad ‘coz i was able to avail of 30~45% discount considering the speakers are NOS.
i hope you can bear with me and assist to build up my HT system. can you please recommend a suitable AVR in the price range of 30~40K. the set up will be mostly used for movies. sana yung HDMI ready na. gusto ko lang ma narrow down yung pag pipilian at ang dami kasi ???
your expert advice will be highly appreciated.
philjonc,
Thanks bro, wer can I purchase the floorstand at 25k? Also, how can I get in touch with oreoshake? Thanks for the advice.
philjonc,
Thanks bro, wer can I purchase the floorstand at 25k? Also, how can I get in touch with oreoshake? Thanks for the advice.
oo nga saan yang discounted 603? so mga 20k nalang bnew?
wow pano inuwi yun? di ba laki nun
philjonc,
san meron BW 602S3 na 25k? thanks.
Would the NAD c325BEE (50wpc) be sufficient enough to drive the 602s for a 12-15sqm area?602s -> larger version of 601
TIA
go for the b&w speakers, 602s3 for fronts(25k), lcr600(13k) for center, velodyne cht10/12 for subs. surrounds pwede 601(18k) or 303(15k) or any brand will do.
or mission speakers, i believe oreoshake is selling his floorstander at a good price. ;)
try hi-fi lounge,sound dimension, listening group.
Matzter,
Thanks a lot. Sir are you suggesting that I get na the LCR600 instead of LCR60? Another problem Sir, I used my 5 year old Pioneer VSX711 5.1 DTS 100w to my new 603's and was dissapointed. When I cranked to -30db the sign "OVERLOADED" comes out and shuts off the AVR. Bad trip! Kala ko magagamit ko pa pansamantala until budget permits to upgrade. Anyway, yesterday I went to Shang and Mega and checked some AVR's. The most affordable AVR is 1907 85w 16.5k / 2308 100w 39k / 1508's 1708's 75w naman. HK's naman afordable yun entry level pero mababa wattage, yun high end out of budget naman / 705's wala ako makita. Help bro. Thanks.
^mards saksak mo na yan sa yamaha mo para matry! hehe
Cge, dalhin mo yung bada dito para masubukan natin ;D
Hello. I am newbie here. Just got a pair of B&W fronts. I am now planning to get a center speaker to improve the vocals on movies. B&W LCR600 is out of stock and last time the price daw is around 22K. A bit expensive.
I auditioned the Mordaunt Short Avant 905i center speaker, it sounds good. I just don't know if it will match my B&W602.5 S3. Help naman if you have some expereince with the Mordaunt Short center speaker. I plan to buy soon the center speaker to complete my set-up.
Thanks in Advance!
Matzter,
Thanks a lot. Sir are you suggesting that I get na the LCR600 instead of LCR60? Another problem Sir, I used my 5 year old Pioneer VSX711 5.1 DTS 100w to my new 603's and was dissapointed. When I cranked to -30db the sign "OVERLOADED" comes out and shuts off the AVR. Bad trip! Kala ko magagamit ko pa pansamantala until budget permits to upgrade. Anyway, yesterday I went to Shang and Mega and checked some AVR's. The most affordable AVR is 1907 85w 16.5k / 2308 100w 39k / 1508's 1708's 75w naman. HK's naman afordable yun entry level pero mababa wattage, yun high end out of budget naman / 705's wala ako makita. Help bro. Thanks.
avant 905i? meron na ba? thats the center speaker brother of the avant 902i. I like the 902i better than the b&w601s3. malaki kasi ung 602s3 so didnt compare it.
Thanks for all your inputs on my question regarding the center speaker! Does anyone know the contact number of Hifi lounge at Festival Mall? The LCR of B&W is laging out of stock specially the black color.
Still contemplating on the Mordaunt Short Center speaker.
TIA!
Matzter,
I bought 703 yesterday at home theater, hopefully magmatch. Any feedbacks sa 703? Thanks again
salamat mga bosing... any other suggestion? compare b&w s3 to the new 600 series? mas ok ba or better pa din ung luma?anything will do, as long as you pair them with a decent mid-level receiver or a power amp. if budget aint no problem, go for the new models..... :)
^^^ if a company uses the same series model (ie: 601s1, s2, s3) it would actually be mind boggling for ANY well respected manufacturer of quality components to come out with a newer model that is inferior to the model that it replaced.
at the very least, the newer model sounds exactly the same as the old model and just has a more modern / or whatever aesthetic design ang "uso" at the present... or maybe a specific raw material is phased out and the construction is different but in the end, it sounds the same. which is important to any company to track/tag/distinguish the items they manufacture. I assume that they have all the manpower and equipment to test the product before its market launch.
usually, if the model changes... like a 602s3 becomes lets say a "le604" then a product could be launched not just to provide a better sounding speaker... but to fulfill a consumer need that doesnt automatically relate to sounding better... it could be, color, size, construction, shape, etc etc.
Hi B&W people. Thanks for your help! I was able to source out the center speaker I was searching. This forum really works. ;)
Hi, I auditioned different brands of center channel speaker such as Wharfdale (2 models), Mordaunt short, KEF Q9c and even B&W new 600 series. KEF sounds very detailed among all the center speaker I auditioned. But eventually landed to your suggestion on getting the same B&W brand and series 3 center speaker.
Now I noticed all your inputs on my Audio/ HT set-up. The vocals are really clear in parallel with my B&W fronts. I now enjoy the vocal clarity of a center speaker. It is worth the search :o and the price I paid.
Many thanks! :)
Bro Macdon,
Salamat sa pagsama mo sa akin kanina sa Arch Audio, Sound Dimension and finally kila Butch Tuason. Pare here's my plan. I'll keep my current HT set up (BW 603, LCR60, Velo CHT10, and BW 600 na hopefully dumating na) then I'll save for my dream separate Audio setup (BW805 na, hehehe). Mejo marami rami kotse pa kailangan ibenta, hahaha. Anyway, salamat ulit hopefully I'll enjoy my HT kse very early naman to tell if happy ako or hinde e. Tnxtnx
Just had an audition of the new B&W 600 series,
in particular, the new floorstandintg 684 which replaces the 603 S3.
My verdict? Well, apart from the 'new look', I don't hear any sound quality improvement.
I tried so hard to concentrate on any subtle improvements in sound quality but alas,
either there was none or the improvement was just simply marginal that I coudn't hear any.
The price of the new 684 is the same as the old 603 S3, the model it replaced and
considering that the new 600 series (683, 684, 685, 686) are now all MADE IN CHINA,
(the previous 600 s3 speakers were all made in U. K.), I doubt if anybody is going to
upgrade apart from the 683 with its new FST midrange (something never before
offered on the 600 series).
If you have the older 600s3 speakers, (600S3, 601S3, 602S3, 602.5S3, 603S3),
I don't recommend upgrading to the newer 684, 685 or 686 models.
However, if you have the 604s3, the new 683 model with its FST midrange may offer
some improvement. (I have yet to audition it.)
Now if you absolutely abhor the 'MADE IN CHINA' label, you're out of luck as all
the new 600 series (683, 684, 685 and 686) are now all 'DESIGNED IN U.K., MADE IN CHINA'...
I guess I'll stick with my 'MADE IN U. K.' 600 series 3 speakers...
They will just use super thin steel for "kaha" 70hp motor, and ply wood interiors. ;D
Like what many are saying: Very soon everything will be made in China, except babies. ;D
You might encounter tonal mismatch problems with different speakers specially if you dont have the audessy EQ yet..
I would suggest that you try upgrading your power section instead if you feel an upgrade itch. I am sure you will hear more differences w/ that than if you buy a FS.
Onkyo 805? ;) Rotel power amps?
Question, my receiver is an Onkyo TX-SR503 (entry-level). It says on the manual (red-highlight) that It can produce the said wattage at 2-channels, currently, I'm on a 2.1 setup together with a B&W 602S3 and Velodyne CHT-10R combination. Does that mean that my speakers are receiving 130W + 130W @ 6 ohms or is that just a marketing gimmick by Onkyo?
Thanks in advance!
Bro, its just a marketing gimmick. The 75 wpc is the rated output at 8ohms (baka lower pa nga). I once had a TX-SR501, and it had a hard time driving my 602. The B&Ws are very hard to drive.
I see, so I need to upgrade my receiver then to maximize my speakers? Will the Onkyo 605 suffice?
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B&W 602s3
sweet :)
Reymer, that was the best decision you ever made. ;D ;D ;D
Is that the one in sorento finish?
But I like the black better, looks classic.
Hi, Is there a big improvement if you bi-wire the B&W speakers (w/o bi-amping)? My question could have been answered by other treads but I would like to pertain directly to B&W users. Share your experience naman.
Hi, Is there a big improvement if you bi-wire the B&W speakers (w/o bi-amping)? My question could have been answered by other treads but I would like to pertain directly to B&W users. Share your experience naman.
"More Than You Ever Wanted To Know About Bi-Wiring:"
http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/cables/messages/4953.html
Yeah! no problem about how-to-bi-wiring but what I meant is that, the effect of bi-wiring is experiencial and subjective.
My first receiver was an Onkyo 501, then replaced with Yamaha RXV995, then RXV800, then RXV659 + Rotel RMB1075. Now, I use RXV2600 + Rotel RMB1075. As I upgraded my receiver/amps, I really heard improvements with my 602s. As you upgrade your power section, para ka na ring nag-uupgrade ng speakers coz they will really sound better :D Unless you really feel a speaker upgrade is the only way to go.
The B&Ws are very hard to drive.
Sir Juvinyl - I posted that link above not as a direct reply to your post but just as a supplementary info to the whole forum - or to any members here (B&W speakers or not) who would like more info about bi-wiring, etc.
To what extent that link may serve is up to the person who reads it - whether they try it or not. I just felt that before anybody tries it out, that they should have a general idea of what bi-wiring may or may not provide for their system.
:-[ :-[ :-[
I'm sorry macdon, I didn't intend to offend somebody. I was just trying to convey my message. ;D ;D
Thanks for your clarification. Your idea is great!
My golly sir, you dont know how relieved I am to read your post! Really! I finally found someone like me! I thought only I had a rare sickness of constanly changing AVR's. I would love to chat with you someday! Lets form a "AVRholics anonymous" group :D
Of course, aside from the power section, the pre-amp section of a (100k) 9 series may be lots better than the pre-amp section of a (30k) HK 3 series. As you go up the receiver chain, more budget for better parts = better performance. Amp or pre-amp section.
So dont skimp on your receiver/amp! :)
No worries sir ;D - we are all here to learn naman po ;)
My golly sir, you dont know how relieved I am to read your post! Really! I finally found someone like me! I thought only I had a rare sickness of constanly changing AVR's. I would love to chat with you someday! Lets form a "AVRholics anonymous" group :D
The good news is that OCPD comes in levels. So long as it doesn't impair one's social life,
it isn't really OCPD yet but probably 'borderline' OCPD or 'OCPD' tendency only.
If nurtured, it can become 'full-blown' OCPD.
Actually, there is such a thing as 'OCPD' or obsessive-compulsive personality disorder. :)
It is a psychiatric disorder characterized by 'perfectionism' and preoccupation with details,
so much so that the whole point of the activity is lost.
Example:
An audiophile who has OCPD always needs to upgrade his gears regularly;
never contented, and always aiming for perfection to the point that the amount
spent on his audio system costs more than his car, or worse, even his home.
The point of assembling a good audio system which is 'to enjoy music' is lost.
In OCPD sufferrers, much of the time is spent on 'perfecting' the system through
endless tweaking, upgrading, etc. Some spend more than half their time and income
in acquiring new equipment and constantly upgrading them.
They usually have very limited titles, mostly confined to 'audiophile' recordings only
and they would rather spend the whole day in their music rooms endlessly 'tweaking'
and 'listening' to faults in their systems rather than listening and enjoying music,
or alternately, doing something else like playing with their kids or doing some outdoor
activities. This actually impairs their social life and family life (more attention given to audio than to wife, kids or other people).
The good news is that OCPD comes in levels. So long as it doesn't impair one's social life,
it isn't really OCPD yet but probably 'borderline' OCPD or 'OCPD' tendency only.
If nurtured, it can become 'full-blown' OCPD.
hmmmm...... di ba dapat eh....
mga "RESIBER ADIK" ang tawag sa inyo? ;D ;Dherherherherher
Sir Matz, madami din ditong kagaya natin :D
this brings me to ask;
is there any member here who sold their hard-to-drive speaker then later realized that it should be the amp that goes instead? oh well, sige na nga, charge to SARS na lang... ;D
this brings me to ask;
is there any member here who sold their hard-to-drive speaker then later realized that it should be the amp that goes instead? oh well, sige na nga, charge to SARS na lang... ;D
so... has anyone auditioned the new 600 series?
i got to audition the 684 FS at S&S a few weeks ago, it was paired with an Onkyo 705 playing Spider-Man 2 on Blu-Ray
i was expecting to hear something good but was disappointed with what i heard. parang walang kabuhay-buhay yung tunog. maybe it didn't match well with the Onkyo 705? :(
Same here. Auditioned the new series November last year. IMO, the older series sounds better.
older is better... new B&W are made in china
Mga sirs,
May nag pair na ba sa inyo ng 600 series and HK avr? Kumusta naman po?
I'm talking about 601, 602, etc - all series3 - yung UK made pa.
......You might want to use very high HK models for the B&W's. Preferably the 7 series.
sirs,
ask ko lang, what is the ballpark figure of a brand new pair of 603 S3 in Manila (I'm from Cebu) ?
TIA.
Thanks Reymer,
pm sent to ButchHT.
I see a decent "third-hand" 603 S3 on auction on the web. How much should my max bid be?
thanks.
wil be getting a 602 s3 tonyt......
wish me luck!!! :D
wil be getting a 602 s3 tonyt......
wish me luck!!! :D
hurrah !!!
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b226/XYZledge/logopix.jpg)
Im now a FAN !!! ;D
huwaw!!! pamatay naman yan sir! sana magkaroon din ako nyan...
Walang imposible dito sa mundo... if there's a will, there's a way!
;D
Walang imposible dito sa mundo... if there's a will, there's a way!
;D
They are 16.5k SRP
for B&W fans.....saw this lifestyle series..and auditioned them ke SGT when I helped my friend build his condo set-up. He got this for his 6 channel HT set-up.
sir munskie, anong receiver ang ginamit when you auditioned this speakers?the price is for a pair. powered by Denon 1908. very important to have a subwoofer with these speakers. ;)
16.5k? pwede na kung pair... kung per piece yan, ouch.. :P
the price is for a pair. powered by Denon 1908. very important to have a subwoofer with these speakers. ;)
thanks sir munskie. i need speakers like the B&W LM1 & Paradigm Cinema 110, or any speakers which would look (and sound) good on a condo unit living room. only kefq knows the extent & severeness of my SARS. ;D :D
Bili na chief! ;D
Matinding SARS meron yang si Predator ;D . .Good luck on your HT Project bro ;)
predator,
I use Wharfe 8.4's in my condo living room, although I havent seen your place, thing is what I do is keep the speakers right next to the wall and hte equipment rack when not in use then pull them out to the proper listening positions. it helps that hte marble floor has cuts that I use as markers.
ei! tagal magpost dito nung latest 602 owner !!! ;D
imho, the dm303 is way too expensive for its performance... it doesnt come close to the MS avant 902i which is 33% less in price.
teka iilag muna ako, B&Ws are great speakers... but if you ask me, they are not worth their selling prices. overpriced lang cguro dito... id say 20% less the SRP and B&W is just awesome.
Yup, medyo overpriced nga b&w dito sa atin. But still, it's money well spent, IMO. I won't waste my money buying something "cheaper" which I wouldn't enjoy listening to 8)
sir ask ko lng... nakita ko kc yung fs mo n B&W... pano nyo na maintain na ganun kakinis? Anong pinapanlinis nyo? TIA :)
Bro nothing special, punas lang regular ng cotton cloth. Minsan MC cleaner ung body lang(once a year?). Pag hindi ginagamit, may cover na tela. And most important of all, "keep these away from children" :D
Add ko lang, I also put small towels on top of all my speakers para hindi magasgas ibabaw at madumihan specially ung ibabaw ng grills (cloth cover), as you can see with the speaker at the back
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l41/kkkram/DSC02196.jpg)
Subwoofer nalang ang kulang...
....what do u use to clean the rubber shock absorber
of the speaker? nagkaroon kasi ng white marks.... ??? ??? ???
Try "tyre black" or Wipe-out... both of these products are good in cleaning rubber-made materials.
:)
this is actually a general question...
but chose to post here.... ;D
what do u use to clean the rubber shock absorber
of the speaker? nagkaroon kasi ng white marks.... ??? ??? ???
anyone hear have good or bad reviews about the 685?
thanks
And it appears (in the website) that it is now fitted with Mundorf Supreme Caps
Heard this at watt hifi MCS and best bang for the buck! For me this is better than the previous 600 series models. The highs are now sweet and smooth. Give it a listen :)
bro, ito b un nakapalibot or ikot sa speaker mismo?? may nagsabi before un oil daw pang linis ng mga baril...
let us know ano paraan or ano solution nagawa mo.. thanks!
bro,
this is what happened...
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used a thin application of armor all........
problem solved!!! :D
tingin ko rin nung bagyo....
very humid dito eh....
did another precaution.............
BAWAL linisin ! ako lang pwede maglinis & humimas sa kanya......... ;D ;D ;D
I used to bi-wire my 602s3 before, pero, I don't know if my perception was right. I noticed that in a bi-wire situation, the low frequencies of speaker is attenuated a bit. Para bang nabawasan ng kunti yong bass, pero, its becomes clearer and more transparent. Maybe because, in a bi-wire, as you remove the (pls correct me if I'm wrong here) metal connectors at the back of the speakers, the crossover becomes by-passed and the system now uses the crossover of the preamp. So, one deciding factor here is that, if you have excellent preamp, then, bi-wiring is advisable.
IMO, bi-wiring or not, depends on your taste. If you are bass freak, then, don't bi-wire your speakers. At the moment, I no longer bi-wire my 705, for the reason that I can't afford to cough more dough for the second set of wires (cheap ga 11 ixos cable braided). Although, I feel the need, especially that I'm used to listen to vinyl (vinyl is bass heavy in my system), but for now, I leave it as is. Maybe in the future, if I can confirm my perception in bi-wiring, then, I may have to do it.
mga sirs,
what store that offers the best deal for a brand new b&w 685? tnx, mga magkano kaya ito? any estimates?
Try SGT in Tordesillas st in mkti - 8138443/8125235
Hopefully, its less than 25k
Sir, was wondering how much the 685 retails for right now? the 685 is the newer version of the 602s before, am i correct?
Sir, was wondering how much the 685 retails for right now? the 685 is the newer version of the 602s before, am i correct?
Sir, was wondering how much the 685 retails for right now? the 685 is the newer version of the 602s before, am i correct?
i believe the size of the 685 is between the 602 and 601
Decided to call SGT from the contact numbers above (couldn't wait). The 685s is 23.6K and the 686 is 18K+, both discounted already. Very tempting.
ano pong B&w center speaker ang magandang ka-partner ng 603 s2?
sir yung cc6 s2 ba ka match din nya? someone is selling me his cc6.
Since there is no general B&W Speakers thread, I'm posting the news here:
B&W launches the new CM series models. http://blog.svconline.com/briefingroom/2008/08/28/bowers-wilkins-launches-new-cm-series-models/ (http://blog.svconline.com/briefingroom/2008/08/28/bowers-wilkins-launches-new-cm-series-models/)
The CM series are nice looking musical speakers. Pricey nga lang. :o
Pics:
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a114/btf1980/cmline.jpg)
WOW !!! :o :o :o
gaganda !!!
Maganda rin presyo! :o ;D
CM9 $1,500 each
CM5 $750 each
CMC2 $1,250 each
ASW 10CM $1,500 each
yikes! ang pangit naman nyan!
(pag di mo kaya bilhin... siraan mo... para di sumama loob mo...) ;D ;D ;D
Since there is no general B&W Speakers thread, I'm posting the news here:
B&W launches the new CM series models. http://blog.svconline.com/briefingroom/2008/08/28/bowers-wilkins-launches-new-cm-series-models/ (http://blog.svconline.com/briefingroom/2008/08/28/bowers-wilkins-launches-new-cm-series-models/)
The CM series are nice looking musical speakers. Pricey nga lang. :o
Pics:
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a114/btf1980/cmline.jpg)
Ive had the cm series (cm1 & cm7) for quite awhile, all i can say is it sounds divine. Its carries the same driver technology as the 800 series and is very evident in its sound quality and sound stage. they are small speakers though with the cm1 slightly smaller than a wharfdale 9.1.
medyo ot lang
magkano ba market price nang natilus 805 ngayon used ?
medyo ot lang
magkano ba market price nang natilus 805 ngayon used ?
yung unit was bought around yr 2003
how much kaya tawaran ko ?
gentlemen'
where can i get the best deal for a brand new b&w dm685? tnx
Thanks Jake for the helpful links. I've read a lot of articles regarding dipole vs. monopole speakers. The general consensus is dipole/bipole is best for movies while monopole is best for 5.1 channel music. If the price diff. between dipole vs. monopole speakers is small, I will pick up a dipole without a blink. Kaya lang B&W's dipole speakers are priced almost double that of its cheapest bookshelf.
I checked out the HT gallery of fellow PDVD members and notice that at least one member uses B&W switchable dipole & monopole (i.e. DS6) as side surrounds while the rest of the members use B&W 686 or 601 (I haven't seen anyone using 602 as surrounds yet). Also, nobody's selling pre-owned B&W dipole speakers in the marketplace unlike B&W bookshelves [maybe it also mean I can hardly sell it out should I decide to upgrade someday?]. So I was thinking baka hindi kaya sulit ang DS3/DS6 (?) I don't have the chance to audition DS3 since it's only on order basis and out of stock yung local supplier ng B&W (new stocks coming in). The AV stores I asked have only sold a few DS3/DS6 compared to B&W bookshelves. So its either the price is too expensive or the performance is not good? ??? I wouldn't mind spending for good fronts and center since most of the sounds come out of them but I'm having second thoughts on spending much for surrounds unless I get an unrivaled experience out of dipole vs. bookshelf surround system. ::)
BTW, I notice B&W CM line doesn't have dipole speakers. Neither does Dynaudio Audience series, to name a few.
Is buying dipole speakers from other brands a good option? Wharfedale DFS costs P4,500.00; Mission M3 DSI = P8,500+; Paradigm A190 = P21,000...
.....So I was thinking baka hindi kaya sulit ang DS3/DS6 (?) I don't have the chance to audition DS3 since it's only on order basis and out of stock yung local supplier ng B&W (new stocks coming in). The AV stores I asked have only sold a few DS3/DS6 compared to B&W bookshelves. So its either the price is too expensive or the performance is not good? ??? I wouldn't mind spending for good fronts and center since most of the sounds come out of them but I'm having second thoughts on spending much for surrounds unless I get an unrivaled experience out of dipole vs. bookshelf surround system. ::)
BTW, I notice B&W CM line doesn't have dipole speakers. Neither does Dynaudio Audience series, to name a few.
While I do agree that the DS6 S3 is pricey over here, there are other places where they could be had cheaper ;)
I was a DS6 user for about 4 years until i sold those to a fellow PDVD for 10K back in 2005 i think. you do pay a premium for that model but you get loads in return as well in terms of performance and technology however at that time i decided to let my DS6 go because i needed additonal funding for a front speaker upgrade which to me is more important. In retrospect it was a kick ass speaker in terms of surround envelopment and for that cinematic feeling ambiance. From the DS6 i went to tall MB Quart floorstanders as my surround speakers for about 2.5 years. Now that setup really can rock the room with its dynamics specially on the low end though you lose some of the surround envelopment and diffusenes that the DS6 was able to achieve however the impact and downright dynamics that it was able to belt out far compensates for the loss of what the DS6 was able to offer. Due to WAF i had to again re-organize my surrounds and presently my surround speakers are monopole JBL Balcony's which performs well but is a notch down in terms of performance as compared to the DS6 in surround diffusenes and envelopment. If you have a big room, cost is no object and yearn for that cinematic feeling ambiance then go for the DS6.
medyo ot lang
magkano ba market price nang natilus 805 ngayon used ?
malapit ko na makuha yung natilus 805
ano maganda i power sa kanya ?
malapit ko na makuha yung natilus 805
i just got my nautilus 805 with orig stands with rotel pre amp and amp and nad cd player
grabe nag kasya sa kotse ko lahat and bigat sumakit likod :o
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wala siya yung 24pin na wire saan makakabili nito ?
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i just got my nautilus 805 with orig stands with rotel pre amp and amp and nad cd player
grabe nag kasya sa kotse ko lahat and bigat sumakit likod :o
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v632/macks75/natilus/Picture-014.jpg)
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wala siya yung 24pin na wire saan makakabili nito ?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v632/macks75/natilus/Picture-010.jpg)
i just got my nautilus 805 with orig stands with rotel pre amp and amp and nad cd player
grabe nag kasya sa kotse ko lahat and bigat sumakit likod :o
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v632/macks75/natilus/Picture-014.jpg)
pre owned yan
sobra sariwa pa
price too good of deal to pass
pre owned yan
sobra sariwa pa
price too good of deal to pass
guys ano tingin nyo sa HTM61 center speakers? 3 way kasi siya
guys ano tingin nyo sa HTM61 center speakers? 3 way kasi siya
thanks for the feedback guys, we have the 684 speakers kasi, what do you guys think?
Happy new year to everyone!!! buhayin ko lang thread na to, hope you dont mind... baka you guys interested, I saw a black 603 sa Toyoma (display unit) sellng for 45k and a brand new sealed 603 black din sa raon selling for 49k. Also, a second hand black lcr60 beside Watthifi in mcs. Yun lang happy new year ulit to everyone!!!
Happy new year sir. Saan po yung Toyoma? May nakita po ba kayo 602s3? ;D
Hi bro jojitv,
Toyama pala (tel 3762848) hehehe, from quezon ave right turn sa west ave then straight lang, nasa left side before edsa. I just sold my black 602, ang bilis eh 3 hours lang ata posted meron agad dumating sa house and walang tawaran. I sold mine kase i bought a 602 Calvados to compliment my HT set up. Happy ako kase nabuo ko din na pare-pareho color ng 600 series. Thanks bro.
Hi bro jojitv,
Toyama pala (tel 3762848) hehehe, from quezon ave right turn sa west ave then straight lang, nasa left side before edsa. I just sold my black 602, ang bilis eh 3 hours lang ata posted meron agad dumating sa house and walang tawaran. I sold mine kase i bought a 602 Calvados to compliment my HT set up. Happy ako kase nabuo ko din na pare-pareho color ng 600 series. Thanks bro.
Congrats papi! ;D Mukang pang concierto na ang crib nyo ah. Pwede bang dumalaw ulit jan? ;)
Pag may nakita ka na 600s3 in Calvados, paki timbre nalang ha ;D
bro get the sorrento in SD na...bilis! samahan kita para maganda discount, wala ka na makikita nun kahit HK wala na talaga!!!...
Congrats papi! ;D Mukang pang concierto na ang crib nyo ah. Pwede bang dumalaw ulit jan? ;)
Pag may nakita ka na 600s3 in Calvados, paki timbre nalang ha ;D
Gagaya nalang ako sa iyo bro.......mag LSA1 nalang kaya ako :D ;D Von Schweikert ba yun? ;D
design ng VS para sa LSA. phase out na kse VR1 ng VS kaya siguro nag design siya ng kapalit. high end na lang models ng VS bro.
bro pag nakakita ko calvados na 600s3, di ko sasabihin sayo. hehehe para 7.1 na ko calvados.
Mga boss may nakasubok na ba ng CM5 or kahit CM1? is it bright?
Many thanks!
Thanks brod. do you know where I can audition these speakers?
may cm9 na sa sgt?
sayang i bought 685s last month. i would have probably considered cm5s :( i haven't used them yet. baka pwede pa patrade in kay sonny :) hehehe
Very tempting boss macdon especially the piano black finish. pero CM5 lang for me, as the next ruote will be a sub for audio. thanks for the info.
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PROUD OWNER OF 601S3 (NOS) !!! MA ENJOY KO NA DIN ANG B&W !!! ;D 8) ;D
old school
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If you bought 'em from SGT & still in box Im sure pwede. Ive done a similar thing with them before kaya alam ko ahihihi :D ;D
Pang temp lang naman bossing Jon :D ;D Gusto ko din nga ma-audition yang CM5 - ganda nga sya in piano black finish ;)
Audition na mga brader and please post your impression!
Ikaw din ha......pag dumating na mga Concerto mo ;D
Di na umabot ang CM5 Mac, BI kasi tong si Edwin. Still I want to listen that baby yun nga lang wala na funds.
saan service center nang b&w ?
pwede kaya mag order nang rubber surrounds dun ?
saan service center nang b&w ?
pwede kaya mag order nang rubber surrounds dun ?
Parang meron ako nakita Bowers & Wilkins Service Center sa may West Ave. near the Pioneer Service Center.
I already posted this concern in the "Amplifier" section but I thought I may be able to get even more responses here.
I recently bought a 600 series system (683, HTM62, 686). I upgraded from a set of bose speakers. I am still using my old receiver, an entry-level onkyo 504. So far I am happy with what I am hearing, a world of a difference from bose. I don't think I am over-straining my receiver since the most my ears can handle is the volume at 40, which is very loud. I normally listen with the volume at 25-30. And my receiver can go up to 68. Is this the way too tell if you are not over-straining the receiver?
My big question is: should I upgrade my receiver? Will it be a huge difference?
I guess the only way to find out if there is a huge difference is to audition a new receiver at home? Do shops allow you to audition equipment at home?
Another question, is it better to have a pre amp & power amp combination, rather than a single AVR?
Sorry for the numerous questions, I guess browsing different forums make you unsure of what you really want.
Thanks guys.
more or less how much po ang 685 and 686? are they nice as main speakers?
SRP
B&W 686 - P 23,500.00 (bookshelf)
B&W 685 - 29,500.00 (bookshelf)
CM price watch:
According to one of my sources, the upcoming CM5 would have a price difference of Php10k compared to the now selling CM1.
The CM1 uses a 5-1/4" midrange, while the CM5 uses a 6-1/2" midrange, but has a beautiful glossy piano black finish ;)
CM1's streetprice is about 35-36k, so a CM5 would be around 45-46k.
The last time I asked, the 685's price was about 23k streetprice - infact, my 602s3 was a bit more expensive at 25k. I figured that the 602s3 was bigger than the 685 anyway.
care to share where you got the price of the 685 from? ;D
do u guys know how much second hand silver signature goes for bookshelf siya
i might sell mine ;)
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care to share where you got the price of the 685 from? ;D
Very nice review sir macdon. Would you still recommend the CM1 over the 685 if I'm more into HT (75%/25%)? I just have a plain receiver set-up.
Posted by Paul Joppa on August 05, 1999 at 21:08:11:
While I certainly don't want to suggest that science is everything, there are two points about SET amps that are highly predictable:
1) They are usually low power. You want typically 102dB capability for fully satisfactory sound.
The amp adds 10*log(watts) dB to the speaker sensitivity. (base 10 logarithm) Some examples:
45 tube 2 watts = 3dB wants 99dB speaker
2A3 tube 3.5 watts = 5dB wants 97dB speaker
300B amp 8 watts = 9dB wants 93dB speaker
88dB speaker wants 14dB = 25 watts
90dB speaker wants 12dB = 16 watts
You can have lots of fun with less power, if your room is tiny and/or you like chamber music or little-girl-with-acoustic-guitar music, but this is the standard minimum.
2) Most SET amps are without feedback. Triode amps without feedback, SE or push-pull, have a damping factor of 2 or so, not the 50-1000 of heaviily fed-back sand amps. This means the bass resonances of the speaker are "loosened up" a little - expect the bass to change! Speakers whose bass is a little too quick and tight with a feedback amp are likely to come alive with a no-feedback amp, while flabby bass will just get worse.
Below is the so called Paul Joppa 102 db rule:
http://www.audioasylum.com/scripts/d.pl?audio/faq/sets.html
But as said, it depends on lots of things. So actual listening is still the best.
B&W Preowned Speaker Alert
SGT has the ff preowned:
805N - blackash..........65k
CM1 - Rosenut............25k
B&W Preowned Speaker Alert
SGT has the ff preowned:
805N - blackash..........65k
CM1 - Rosenut............25k
Gentlemen
How much is the most affordable b&w bookshelf speakers today? Locally available pa ba dm303 and 6013s?
tnx
Kung ipa mundorf ko kaya ang CM1s ko, does anyone know what will be the effect.
Gentlemen
How much is the most affordable b&w bookshelf speakers today? Locally available pa ba dm303 and 6013s?
tnx
Very nice review sir macdon. Would you still recommend the CM1 over the 685 if I'm more into HT (75%/25%)? I just have a plain receiver set-up.
Question to B&W users:
If you are planning to change speakers what would you prefer to replace your B&W?
Could you also add why you prefer that after experiencing B&W.
Thanks to all who would care to answer my question.
Does the 601s3 can be considered as an audiophile or high fidelityloudspeaker?
pardon my ignorance, but what makes a loudspeaker audiophile quality or highfidelity l.s? criteria pls...
ako din sir interested to any response as i am getting into the audio hobby. ang alam ko lang kasi branded audiophile quality speakers are expensive or really really expensive but dont really know what features, build and criteria to look for.
tia :)
where can i audition the 601, 685 speakers?
whats the best avr to pair with and how much for these set?
thanks! ;D
where can i audition the 601, 685 speakers?
whats the best avr to pair with and how much for these set?
thanks! ;D
where can i audition the 601, 685 speakers?
whats the best avr to pair with and how much for these set?
thanks! ;D
is b&w 685 still a good buy ? where is it made england or china?
im planning to buy 1 this will be my first ht setup
please help
thanks in advance
i'm very proud of my 685s po
they are made in china
+1 ako kay brader eksi. ;D
ayos na ayos 685 ;D
We have the 683, 685 and htm61 available for demo at the shop. You can compare it with the other brands like Polk, jbl, and infinty. :)
Hi Sir, I'm new here and would like to try your suggestion above. Where is your shop located sir? :)
Thanks!
Thanks sir, will try to visit your shop one of these days. :) What's the shop name? AVSHOP? :)
sobrang ganda tumunog nito, even my gf na hindi marunong sa home theater sa lahat ng audition ito ang nagustuhan ;) my dream set ! ;D
gusto ko ito but d lagpas sa budget ito kaya dream set nalang :)
We have the 683, 685 and htm61 available for demo at the shop. You can compare it with the other brands like Polk, jbl, and infinty. :)
Although they may be at the lowest end of the b&w totem pole, the 685 and the htm 62 combination have given me clarity in the mids and highs, and sonic bliss in the HT arena. Worth the money I paid for.
I would wonder, how much more if one would climb the steps up in the b&w ladder?
same with you bro, I'm very satisfied with the performance of 685, htm62 and 686 combo ;)
Congrats bro, you have an all b&w set-up. I am using a KEF Cresta 10 for surrounds and Polk Tsi 100 for
presence speakers. I am still saving up hopefully for a 686 or any pre-owned older b&w bs.
i can give you a good deal on the 685 and 686. :)
Mga sir,
Pwede ba i-remove yung stand ng 685? Balak ko kasi lagay sa computer table ko as speaker only.
Thanks,
BS
Cardinalrich - Thanks for quick reply sir. Antay na lang ng payday makakabili na rin ako :D
I'll let you know sir avshop kung kelan. Wait ko lang moolah ko :)
newbie asking for your experience and wisdom, pls help..
1)sulit po ba ang cm1 over 685 for my plan to build hi-fi stereo set-up?
1.2) like how many percentage points is cm1 better than 685? 20-30% or what?
2)what are the top 3 best synergy stereo integ amp for cm1 (less than 25k php)?
2.1) what about stereo receiver like hk 3490, any good synergy with b&w? or integ amp talaga ang best?
(my music is more on acoustics/folk/classic rock(50%), rock + new wave (30%), jazz/classical (20%)
(if i were to describe what i sound i wish/want: crisp, warm, tipong mapapapikit ka from the sound that you are hearing (like heaven) o kaya naman ay kaya ka nyang pasayawin sa beat pa lang ni bob marley. hehe :)
any thoughts or recommendation would be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance po :)
come by the shop and compare the b&w 683 and the jbl studio L890 side by side. :)
shop is located at unit 205 amaremca bldg, 107a kalayaan avenue, diliman, quezon city. :)
we're open wednesday to sunday, 11am to 8pm. :)
Mga sirs;
What would be the acceptable market price for a pre-owned b&w dm 601 s3? Am contemplating on getting the new CM1 or 685 kc. Thanks guys.
(http://i1.lelong.com.my/UserImages/Items/0811/19/[email protected])
Sorrento finish, with box and manual
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Mga sirs;Sir lakambini, If it's for the cm1 I would consider it an upgrade, but if it's the 685 i will just keep the 601. just me :). Sir ojofool's right, those are for keeps.
What would be the acceptable market price for a pre-owned b&w dm 601 s3? Am contemplating on getting the new CM1 or 685 kc. Thanks guys.
(http://i1.lelong.com.my/UserImages/Items/0811/19/[email protected])
Sorrento finish, with box and manual
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Sir lakambini, If it's for the cm1 I would consider it an upgrade, but if it's the 685 i will just keep the 601. just me :). Sir ojofool's right, those are for keeps.
had this been colored black, i would have run after this ;D
+100 ;DSiguro sir ito yung naka display, nawalang bigla. puro tingin lang ako dyan!!! ;D ;D ;D
I got my 601s3 for 19k in Sound Dimension
Siguro sir ito yung naka display, nawalang bigla. puro tingin lang ako dyan!!! ;D ;D ;D
I asked the guy from SD kung meron pang unit. sabi nya isa na lang daw, dahil nabenta na yung nakadisplay.
26k ba naman sabi sa akin. mukhang good price nakuha ninyo. congrats.
Mga sirs;
What would be the acceptable market price for a pre-owned b&w dm 601 s3? Am contemplating on getting the new CM1 or 685 kc. Thanks guys.
(http://i1.lelong.com.my/UserImages/Items/0811/19/[email protected])
Sorrento finish, with box and manual
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Mga sirs;
What would be the acceptable market price for a pre-owned b&w dm 601 s3? Am contemplating on getting the new CM1 or 685 kc. Thanks guys.
(http://i1.lelong.com.my/UserImages/Items/0811/19/[email protected])
Sorrento finish, with box and manual
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Hello mga Sirs. I'm new in this Forum. I've got a pair of B&W DM 603 S3 sidelined because my son accidentally dented both tweeters! Long Story.. My question is where can I have this replaced? And how much? I am in Cebu and I inquired at Circuit City, the supposed official distributor down south, but they were asking for 9k for both. This already includes shipping to and from manila as the units need to be sent there.
Anyone who can help?
TIA...
What would a fair price be for a prestine pair of pre-owned dm603s3 and lcr60s3 both black ash? TIAPM me if you decided to sell these items. ;)
Hello mga Sirs. I'm new in this Forum. I've got a pair of B&W DM 603 S3 sidelined because my son accidentally dented both tweeters! Long Story.. My question is where can I have this replaced? And how much? I am in Cebu and I inquired at Circuit City, the supposed official distributor down south, but they were asking for 9k for both. This already includes shipping to and from manila as the units need to be sent there.
Anyone who can help?
TIA...
ano gamit niyong brand na speaker wires for your B&W's ?
ano gamit niyong brand na speaker wires for your B&W's ?
got my B&W 600 S3 and Center LCR 600 S3 ........
SWabeng swabe ...... just as I remembered the 685's b)
^^^ salamat ;D
Funny at first when I set it up last night ..... parang na disappoint ako .... I went "Hey .... his doesn't sound right" ..... Kasi bumili nako din Denon AVR 1604 ....... siguro after three hours patulog nako dapat when I unconciously checked the BD player settings .... and nagulat ako naka Night surround effect siya with Dialog enhancer ON ... ;D ayun laking tuwa ko inoff silang lahat .... re-played "Air Force One" and it sounded way better ;D
tuloy 130AM nako nakatulog ;D
Very happy especially for music and concert lots of sound details coming out :) B&W is one great speaker company
ipagpalit ko pa ba ito
sa all new BW speaker o hindi na?
Sir, if you're going with CM or 800 series speakers.... by all means go! Hehehehe.
Basta kaya nung amp/receiver eh mapapansin po talaga ang difference. :)
Kung sa 600 series din, baka incremental lang yung change.
ipagpalit ko pa ba ito
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sa all new BW speaker o hindi na?
at least get a matching center. yung surrounds ok lang na ibang brand. very obvious kasi pag hindi matched yung center and fronts. pag nag-pan iba yung tunog
alright guys here how it goes. already got the 600 line up(683-686, HTM61 and 610 sub) driving by 607 onkyo. planning to upgrade and wanted to have your inputs... syempre BW din dapat ang speaker, like 800 series.... magkano kaya aabutin namin?
800 series?? with ONKYO receiver? ???
oh come on.. ::)
anyway, sa speaker pa lang, isang kotse at house and lot na yaon ah...
guestimate: at least P400,000 for a full 800 series 5.1 setup using 805s as main speakers. kapag kagaya ng kay mr_b&w na setup more than a million na
sa B&W mismo or sa mga dealers. I've had good experience buying from SGT. they delivered my speakers to my house tapos cheke pa binayad ko :)
kung gusto mo idemo punta ka sa B&W showroom sa west ave. near edsa. they usually have an 800 series system for demo. medyo maliit lang nga yung demo room nila. i heard their 800 system + classe electronics and truthfully i wasn't that impressed, probably because of the room. it was acoustically treated but the room was so small, 3mx4m at the most.
Bago lang po ako dito sa forum. Sir, sino po ang naka set up ng B&W 683 at Nad c375? Eto po kasi ang set up ko ngayon. Para po sakin, sobrang satisfied ako, pero any input po kung 683 tapos ibang amplifier ang gamitin ko. Salamat mga sir.
Bago lang po ako dito sa forum. Sir, sino po ang naka set up ng B&W 683 at Nad c375? Eto po kasi ang set up ko ngayon. Para po sakin, sobrang satisfied ako, pero any input po kung 683 tapos ibang amplifier ang gamitin ko. Salamat mga sir.
ipagpalit ko pa ba ito
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Front B&W 602s3
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Center Lcr 600
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Rear B&W 601s3
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Sub Asw600
sa all new BW speaker o hindi na?
@stagea - Naaudition ko na ang rotel 1520, clean sounding kaya lang medyo in your face ang vocals and medyo bright sounding for me. Although I notice that they are using an ordinary rca cable and speaker wires. Baka may effect un sa overall sound. Mas gusto ko kasi ang warm sound. I saw ur signature, ur using a cambridge 840 a. Kumusta sir, warm sounding ba or bright?
By the way, dito ako sa Dubai.
@johnfc, 28t Bada hybrid dito, pareho pala tayo ng gusto medyo nasa warm side din, galing ng mga advise ni sir stagea, bulls eye, Nad has lush vocals talaga which I particularly like, of course it's not the best sounding amp yet (there's always something better out there) but then again the price you have to pay for a better sounding amp, diminishing returns :). I think NAD and B&W goes along very well.
@stagea - I'm using Cambridge Dacmagic as a source. DIY RG59 cable with neutrik profi connector as medium from source to amplifier. Klotz speaker cable gauge 14. I will try ur suggestion. Removing "bungs" and play with bass and tone settings.
Do you think may improvement pa pag bumili ako ng branded phono cable? Ayoko kasing gumastos tapos afterwards, magsisi ako sa nabili ko. Any brand recommendation?
Hey Tom - kumusta ka na classmate? ;D
Did you finally get your B&Ws?
Yup, that Bada hybrid is a killer amp - when I chose 602s3 kina SGT it was connected to that amp ;)
Too bad you dont see alot of those amps nowadays :(
how much are the 683's?
Hi classmate, wala pa rin, nasayo pa eh :) Epos m5's pa din.
@johnfc not sure who uses 683's here, but I'm sure meron din naman. (magparamdam na kayo) :D.
I just checked, and the C375BEE's bass knob is centered at 100Hz (unlike some other brands that prefer centering it at 20Hz). This might not get the tuning right with the ports open. It's still worth trying though.
If you like the overall output of your gear, then you can try switching cables to test for a better match. If you feel that there is something fundamental that's lacking, chances are, no amount of cable switching would be able to correct that (it may make it bearable, but in the end, you'd probably still end up switching gear).
Cables and interconnects that complement a system would depend on how your system sounds in your room, how your components interact electrically, and how you like your sound. You can use them as tweaking tools because of the unique properties, but it's very hard to make a recommendation because different systems can react differently to different cables.
How about the center frequency for treble control? I'm going to experiment adjusting bass and treble controls.
73k afaik.
Eto na sya classmate - gamit ko nalang sa computer:
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How's the Epos doing? Happy ka naman ata sa kanya eh ;D
Ha? Adjustable ba ang center frequency ng tone controls ng c375bee? Based on specs it's fixed to 100Hz for the bass control, and 8kHz for the treble control.
Nice 602s Sir, hard to find these days :)
new b&w 600 series home theater packages available. :)
Hi sir,
pa pm naman po pricelist niyo ng 684, 683, htm61, htm62.. Im looking for upgrade on my fronts and center. Hoping na B&W na ;D hopefully swak sa budget
Hi mga sir,
Ask ko lng kung how the 684 perform on HT? im using onkyo 605. Will it drive the 684? no budget na kasi for a better avr. ;D
TIA ;D
Walang problem yan 684 sa HT, samahan mo ng HTM62 para matched ang front stage mo. :)
A strong AVR will drive it to stronger levels, and would have more control and headroom... pero kung moderate-sized room lang eh di naman dapat issue. Pwede mo naman palitan yung AVR later on pag nasawa ka na sa kanya hehehe.
Thank you sir stagea! :) im planning to upgrade from polk audio tsi 400 to 684.. currently i have onkyo 606 sna ma drive nya 684! ::). Many reviews kasi sir na denon can make the b&w sing! hehe
Thanks sir more power! ;D
606 kaya na niyan. Pwede naman Onkyo and B&W, yan nga ang dala ng Toyama diba. Pero kelangan piliin yung models na tutugma. Iba iba din kasi tunog ng mga models maski same series.
Yung 684 medyo rich yung lows, kaya baka sumakto sa previous gen Onkyos. Yung 683 mas forward and bright, kaya baka mas ok with Denon.
Pakinggan mo bro, tapos kung ok edi order na. :D
Sir stagea thanks sa inputs! tom audition ako 684 and htm62 sa sgt c/o sir butch. They will be run by onkyo 806.. Medyo ang 683 sobra na masakit sa bulsa! ;D kulang na sa moolah! hehe.. Give u sir some feedbacks paired sa 806.
Thank you sir more power! :)
Enjoy bro. Baka for previous gen Onkyos mas bagay pa yan 684 kesa sa 683, baka magbalanse yung tunog (para sakin lang). For HT use eh maganda na talaga yan. :)
Tingin ko uuwi ka with those speaks. ;D Since nandyan ka na rin, akyat ka sa taas if you want to hear competing models from Monitor Audio.
Great choice. Congrats meister_r! :) I wish you a lot of happy listening hours ahead. :)
Did you get the HTM62 as well?
wow. thanks sir.
606 kaya na niyan. Pwede naman Onkyo and B&W, yan nga ang dala ng Toyama diba. Pero kelangan piliin yung models na tutugma. Iba iba din kasi tunog ng mga models maski same series.684 will perfectly match with your onkyo 606 sir,,kung icoconsider mo 683,i think you should also upgrade your amp with aleast 707 of onkyo to make your speaker investment more worthy,,,,,,,,btw 683 sounds more forward compare to 684 because of the FST features(Fixed Suspension Transducer)
Yung 684 medyo rich yung lows, kaya baka sumakto sa previous gen Onkyos. Yung 683 mas forward and bright, kaya baka mas ok with Denon.
Pakinggan mo bro, tapos kung ok edi order na. :D
ano gamit niyong brand na speaker wires for your B&W's ?
There will be a new speaker soon to be released by November. CM8 model. Slimmer than cm9. It will use a smaller woofers and FST midrange. White color will be available. Cant wait to audition!
I come from 600 s3 and 602s3 and now planning on getting an FS.
Little difference if you compare both.
I'm considering a 684, haven't auditioned it yet.
My question is, would I hear a big difference if I get a 684 or not much since it came from the same 600 series.
If I'm to get another brand what would you recommend?
TIA
I come from 600 s3 and 602s3 and now planning on getting an FS.
Little difference if you compare both.
I'm considering a 684, haven't auditioned it yet.
My question is, would I hear a big difference if I get a 684 or not much since it came from the same 600 series.
If I'm to get another brand what would you recommend?
TIA
There will be a new speaker soon to be released by November. CM8 model. Slimmer than cm9. It will use a smaller woofers and FST midrange. White color will be available. Cant wait to audition!
we have the b&w 600 series on liquidation sale. pm me if interested. :)am interested sir,, can you pm me? thanks
reposting by reply on the recommend a speaker thread. I feel the B&W enthusiasts are here. any comments on my coming setup:
front - B&W nautilus 804 floorstanding
center - B&W nautilus HtM4d2gb
rear - B&W nautilus 805
sub- REL R-505
DHC80.2 Integra THX PRE PROC
Mcintosh MC205
Thnks
reposting by reply on the recommend a speaker thread. I feel the B&W enthusiasts are here. any comments on my coming setup:
front - B&W nautilus 804 floorstanding
center - B&W nautilus HtM4d2gb
rear - B&W nautilus 805
sub- REL R-505
DHC80.2 Integra THX PRE PROC
Mcintosh MC205
Thnks
wow!!!! :o :o :o
ganda ng magiging tunog nyan sir!
I think you will burn a big hole in your wallet. ;D
New member guys.
I have a few questions:
1. How much is the 685 and HTM62 nowadays?
2. What amp/avr has good synergy with the 685?
reposting by reply on the recommend a speaker thread. I feel the B&W enthusiasts are here. any comments on my coming setup:This will be no doubt but AWESOME Sir :o Goodluck ;)
front - B&W nautilus 804 floorstanding
center - B&W nautilus HtM4d2gb
rear - B&W nautilus 805
sub- REL R-505
DHC80.2 Integra THX PRE PROC
Mcintosh MC205
Thnks
Sirs,
Anyone had the chance to compare B&W CM1 or CM5 against Dynaudio bookshelfs? Thanks in advance!
I'll go with dyns, good mids and lows. ngo ngo mids ng B&W character ng kevlar driver unlike dyns. Problem naman ng dyns hard to drive. di madaling hanapan ng perfect pair na amp. power hungry. Just me.
reposting by reply on the recommend a speaker thread. I feel the B&W enthusiasts are here. any comments on my coming setup:
front - B&W nautilus 804 floorstanding
center - B&W nautilus HtM4d2gb
rear - B&W nautilus 805
sub- REL R-505
DHC80.2 Integra THX PRE PROC
Mcintosh MC205
Thnks
I'll go with dyns, good mids and lows. ngo ngo mids ng B&W character ng kevlar driver unlike dyns. Problem naman ng dyns hard to drive. di madaling hanapan ng perfect pair na amp. power hungry. Just me.
no offense meant but i beg to disagree sir. :)Gud day sir, can you compare the 685 and the cm1, a lot said that the 685 is really close to the cm1, so givent the price point is it much bettr to go with the 685 than cm1. Bka with the proper drivers you will not see the difference? Thanks
i have the B&W 685 and the CM1. roksan kandy k2 amp gamit ko. flawless with any type of music.
what amp have you tried with them?
napakaclear ng mids sa system ko. :)
Gud day sir, can you compare the 685 and the cm1, a lot said that the 685 is really close to the cm1, so givent the price point is it much bettr to go with the 685 than cm1. Bka with the proper drivers you will not see the difference? Thanks
Just my opinion:Thanks sir ivan for the infos.
The CM1 has better mids and highs. It's a more neutral presentation, as long as you don't tax it with loud playback. The 685 has better bass and seems to play lower (probably because it's bigger). In general, the 600 series has a more intense and exciting sound, while the CM series has a more 'correct' sound. The CM speakers will place instruments correctly in the sound stage (given the right partnering gear), while most systems utilizing the 600 series speakers don't have the coherence to do this consistently well (cymbals for example, might get detached from the location of the rest of the drum set).
Thanks sir ivan for the infos.
no offense meant but i beg to disagree sir. :)
i have the B&W 685 and the CM1. roksan kandy k2 amp gamit ko. flawless with any type of music.
what amp have you tried with them?
napakaclear ng mids sa system ko. :)
Good day!
No offense din sir, sorry. B&W is one of the good brands of speaker, they manufactured speakers for a long time. No contest on there craftsmanship and R&D. Its only my own opinion since I've listen to a lot of speakers, that's the one thing that i notice w/ Kevlar drivers. Different driver materials, has a different sound. Thats why your own preference that matter. I'm not against with B&W its just what i heard in my honest opinion.
Cheers,
I've had B&W 685 and Dynaudio Audience 42 and 52. IMHO Dynaudio way better. We also did side-by-side blind test of B&W 685 with A-Audio Proac clone, clone even won (sold my B&Ws).
Unfortunately, Dynaudio Audience series has been phased out - replaced by the Excite series (prices start at P35k, I believe). I auditioned the new entry level Dynaudio DM series (2/6) and they are good for entry levels, cheaper than Excite - just visit Listening in Style. The A-Audio starts at P5k (!) - contact Anthony/DIYMaster.
Just my opinion:
The CM1 has better mids and highs. It's a more neutral presentation, as long as you don't tax it with loud playback. The 685 has better bass and seems to play lower (probably because it's bigger). In general, the 600 series has a more intense and exciting sound, while the CM series has a more 'correct' sound. The CM speakers will place instruments correctly in the sound stage (given the right partnering gear), while most systems utilizing the 600 series speakers don't have the coherence to do this consistently well (cymbals for example, might get detached from the location of the rest of the drum set).
Good day!
No offense din sir, sorry. B&W is one of the good brands of speaker, they manufactured speakers for a long time. No contest on there craftsmanship and R&D. Its only my own opinion since I've listen to a lot of speakers, that's the one thing that i notice w/ Kevlar drivers. Different driver materials, has a different sound. Thats why your own preference that matter. I'm not against with B&W its just what i heard in my honest opinion.
Cheers,
Mga sirs, can i use B&W 602s as my fronts for my HT setup?
mga sir feedback naman po sa mga nagpa rewind ng 685,nasira po yung 2 tweeter ng 685 ko, medyo mahal po yung 2 tweeter kung papalitan ng bago mga php8k plus, may pagbabago po ba sa tunog kung rewind at kung may pagbabago, malaki po ba, ty po
yes you can sir.
Thanks. It's a little bigger than I thought, just got my 602s3 from my dad. Would be ideal to replace my center as well? Make it bowers too? If so, what model?
Check out the B&w htm61. Let me know if you're interested in checking it out. :)thinks sir avshop can you pm me the price?
Question po: Is it true that Rotel Amp is the perfect match to B&W speakers most specially for the 600 series? Which Rotel amp is highly recommended?
Question po: Is it true that Rotel Amp is the perfect match to B&W speakers most specially for the 600 series? Which Rotel amp is highly recommended?
They're usually a safe match. They belong to the same group, afterall. Which 600 series speaker are you referring to?
just would like to inquire from the expert if there is really an improvement in the Sound
quality if i use a different amp for these speakers??
if you prefer listening to music, try an integrated amp with your b&w. the difference is quite big.
Does anyone tried pairing 602 s3 with hk 3490? Any reviews?
Haven't kept up with gears in years. I'm currently using 602S2 for my fronts (LCR60 for center) and my the B&W 300 (Prism) for rear speakers (should have gotten the 601's before for the rear >:( )
First, are the 685's equivalent to the 602S2? If so, perhaps the 684 should be a worthwhile upgrade? Though price jump is significant. And for those who've tried, is the equivalent new model better than the old 602's?
Second, I also read Rotels drive the B&Ws well. Would they be better than the HKs? (Using an HK AVR330 now). Which shops sell Rotel? Thanks.
MLY Enterprise in kalayaan avenue, QC and Watts Hi-fi in Makati Cinema Square carry Rotel. Listen to it first you might be surprised by the difference since HK for me sounds warmer than Rotel. Try and check the CM series too. The CM5 would be around the 684's price.
Haven't kept up with gears in years. I'm currently using 602S2 for my fronts (LCR60 for center) and my the B&W 300 (Prism) for rear speakers (should have gotten the 601's before for the rear >:( )
First, are the 685's equivalent to the 602S2? If so, perhaps the 684 should be a worthwhile upgrade? Though price jump is significant. And for those who've tried, is the equivalent new model better than the old 602's?
Second, I also read Rotels drive the B&Ws well. Would they be better than the HKs? (Using an HK AVR330 now). Which shops sell Rotel? Thanks.
regarding amplifier change ... i previously own several b&w 600 series and 700 series all i can say sounds change when use with different amplifier . they are well match with rotel amp and classe amp for their higher end models. try to audition different amp you'll be amaze as your b&w change its character...
The 685 is the 601's replacement, afaik. The 684 is more like the 602's replacement (if a bit of a slight upgrade because of the form factor).
Unless you're itching for floor-standers, I suggest keeping the 602 S2 speakers. I think the 684 sounds more mellow, but I don't think it's a big step up from the 602 S2. Shops can let you bring your speakers with you so that you can compare them side by side with your other options.
Cheers,
Ivan
TRUE.
I heard a B & W Bs paired with an el34 pp amp, and the sound was just phenomenal.
And then, we swapped the amp with a Nad Integrated (326bee), and the sound output was - Not good IMHO, dark and rather boring.
The Nad though, sounds fantastic with bright sounding speakers. :)
Then the rotel (forgot what model) - Sounds really good din paired with the B & W, a little bit brighter and "more sparkle", but sounded good.
For me, the el34 would take that round, despite being classified as a cheap chinese amp (Yaqin). It was really good :)
mga sir san po nakakabili ng woofer for 602 s2? nabutas po kase yung surround (suspension) nung isang driver..
Try contacting Toyama.
Nice setup sir. I'm sure you're having loads of fun at the moment. :) Piyesa-piyesahin mo na yan hanggang makumpleto, pati yung 686 surrounds. ;)
Yup, the HTM61 can play significantly louder and matched din naman siya 684. Medyo darker lang yung character nya than the rest of the 600 series models. It's not enough to bother most people, though many do seem to notice it.
Sirs,
with these two set up...
which is better?
(http://www.bowers-wilkins.net/Images/Product/Default/large/685_Theatre_Black-Ash_OFF.jpg)
685 - Front
686 - Rear
HTM 62 - Centre
ASW 608 - Sub
(http://www.bowers-wilkins.net/Images/Product/Default/large/684_Theatre_Black-Ash_OFF.jpg)
684 - Front
686 - Rear
HTM62 - Centre
ASW 610 - Sub
Help me to decide.....no chance for audition kasi orderin ko sa DUBAI...pero napakinggan kona ang 2nd Set up....oki naman siya gamit ang Denon na AVR...so sa YAMAHA A810 not yet... ;D ;D ;D
Maraming salamat
Sirs,
with these two set up...
which is better?
Hi does anyone knows our local distributor of B&W?
Sirs,
with these two set up...
which is better?
(http://www.bowers-wilkins.net/Images/Product/Default/large/685_Theatre_Black-Ash_OFF.jpg)
685 - Front
686 - Rear
Sir paPM naman ng Dubai price ng 2 set up,thanks!
HTM 62 - Centre
ASW 608 - Sub
(http://www.bowers-wilkins.net/Images/Product/Default/large/684_Theatre_Black-Ash_OFF.jpg)
684 - Front
686 - Rear
HTM62 - Centre
ASW 610 - Sub
Help me to decide.....no chance for audition kasi orderin ko sa DUBAI...pero napakinggan kona ang 2nd Set up....oki naman siya gamit ang Denon na AVR...so sa YAMAHA A810 not yet... ;D ;D ;D
Maraming salamat
Bigger place, go for the 2nd option. For small to med room, first option is already enough. But to be future proof already, go for the 2nd na. Look for other sub besides the b&w. Try to look for hsu research subs or svs.
welcome to the club , RUKARUKA
oh bro. long time no show ah hahaha...dito pa ulit tayo nagka abot...musta na ang business?
yung pagkukunan ko sana niyang B&W ay member ng applei.ph din...
siyanga pala nakakuha nako ng set up ko at waiting nalang ako makarating dito sa KOB...
Marantz SR 6006 ang AVR ko at RTIs POLK Audio ang mga speakers ko..A9, CSI A6, FXi A6 at DSWPRO 660 wi ;D ;D ;D
Ikaw bro ano set up mo?
Which stores in the Philippines carry B&W? San kaya best deals?
(https://www.xcite.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/310x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/bw-51-channel-speaker-system-600-series.jpg)kung may kamag anak man wala naman akong pambili.. hehehe..
(https://www.xcite.com/audio-mp3/home-theatre-systems/speaker-systems/b-w-5-1-channel-speaker-system-600-series.html)
eto oh....baka may kamag anak ka kayo sa kuwait...puede niyo ito ipabili....may discount..... ;D ;D ;D
kung may kamag anak man wala naman akong pambili.. hehehe..
we have a set of pre owned b&w 704 and htm 7 and a set of pre owned cm9 and cm center 2 available for sale. :)
come by the shop to check them out. :)
Hi Marc. Any price on these preowned speakers? Color?
Hi mga sirs, ask ko lng po kung may idea kayo how much ung B&W 600 series na speakers and saang mga shops available ang mga ito.
TIA! :)
Kelan kaya maglalabas ng bagong 600 series models?
sir haboky ung sinasabi nyong 25k is ung bookshelf speakers na 685 or 686? i'm targeting kasi ung floorstander nila na 684.for 25k i think its 685 model. 684 most probably 54k srp locally.
sir haboky ung sinasabi nyong 25k is ung bookshelf speakers na 685 or 686? i'm targeting kasi ung floorstander nila na 684.
sir haboky and sir otep_32 thanks po sa replies nyo, gusto ko na rin pong itanong kung anong magandang amp na bagay sa b&w 684, for music use lang po tlga.
sir haboky and sir otep_32 thanks po sa replies nyo, gusto ko na rin pong itanong kung anong magandang amp na bagay sa b&w 684, for music use lang po tlga.
sir haboky and sir otep_32 thanks po sa replies nyo, gusto ko na rin pong itanong kung anong magandang amp na bagay sa b&w 684, for music use lang po tlga.Try mo sir rotel 06 kaya na yan.since madali nman i drive yan.
Which is better?
685
or
Zeppelin Air
Im not sure if this is a fair comparison, isnt the zeppelin air a dock?
Mga sir pa recommend naman po ng stereo integrated amp for 685 kahit mga pre owned na.. Budget 12k to 16k cguro.. Type of music ko usually senti, pop, rnb love songs.. Tnx..
Mga sir pa recommend naman po ng stereo integrated amp for 685 kahit mga pre owned na.. Budget 12k to 16k cguro.. Type of music ko usually senti, pop, rnb love songs.. Tnx..
b&w pairs very well with ROTEL amps. :)
Mga sir pa recommend naman po ng stereo integrated amp for 685 kahit mga pre owned na.. Budget 12k to 16k cguro.. Type of music ko usually senti, pop, rnb love songs.. Tnx..
B&w 600 series is still on sale. :)How much is your DS3 and ASW610XP?
B&w 600 series is still on sale. :)
sir haboky and sir otep_32 thanks po sa replies nyo, gusto ko na rin pong itanong kung anong magandang amp na bagay sa b&w 684, for music use lang po tlga.
sir haboky and sir otep_32 thanks po sa replies nyo, gusto ko na rin pong itanong kung anong magandang amp na bagay sa b&w 684, for music use lang po tlga.
Planning on setting up a stereo system with 685's.
I know that Rotel sweetly paired with B&W's that's why I'm considering RA06SE as the amp.
But Rotel recently released the RA-12 with DAC but not yet available locally.
Should I wait for the RA-12 or just go with the RA06SE?
I would wait. :)
Is there a huge difference between the two? Aside from the DAC of course, meron pa bang advantage yung ra-12?
Is there a huge difference between the two? Aside from the DAC of course, meron pa bang advantage yung ra-12?
B&w 600 series is still on sale. :)Hi sir,
Hi sir,
Is this sale still holds up to now? Please pm me the sale price of 685. Thanks.
B&w 600 series is still on sale. :)
Main difference is the dac. If you have a good dac, go for the ra06se. If you don't have a dac yet, wait for the ra12. :)
Magkano kaya tong RA-12? At 60 watts/ch is this a good amp to drive a 683?
Yup. Sent you pm. :)
Do you have B&W684, how much does it costs? is it ok to pair with onkyo 616?
thanks.....
B&w 600 series is still on sale. :)
How much is your B&W 684 or any B&W that will match the onkyo 616 which is just 100watts/channel
thanks.......
How much is your B&W 684 or any B&W that will match the onkyo 616 which is just 100watts/channel
thanks.......
Mga Sirs,
Recently got a pre owned B&w 601 S3 and LCR60 from fellow Pdvd member.
Question: what specific brand and model AV receiver would you recommend for this speaker in
HT setup for 60/40 music/movie application?
Will use polkaudio sub dsw660i and look for a better surround match nalang later.
Tnx po
2 channel stereo packages
b&w 685 with marantz pm5004 - 41.5k
b&w 685 with marantz pm6004 - 48k
(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff26/marcyao/Bowers%20and%20Wilkins/937.jpg)
(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff26/marcyao/marantz/cd-pm6004_zpsb7a1c4fb.jpg)
:)
ok lang ba na Floorstander ko B&W then yung sorrounds, centre and rear spear is warfdale (DFS, 9cs, 9.1)
I have revisited the B&W 683 FS being driven by a Rotel RB1582 Power and Rotel RC1550 Pre and source was an Onkyo CS-5VL CD/SACD playerThat's right bro.
In one word - Luscious bass and treble!
My only gripe is the midrange is too open and heightened for my taste.
Yeah Ivan is right, amp pairing is key for the 683 if you want for its sound to bloom properly.
b&w pairs very well with ROTEL amps. :)TOTL line vintage sansui's also like my sansui alpha 907 and b&w602 s3.
The new 600 series is out now. :)Nice. I see that it is using the CM10 tweeter now. I sure hope the CM5 sound trickled down the new 600 series Bookshelf. If it did, I'll defintely get a set ;)
http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speakers/Home_Audio/600_Series/Overview.html
(http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz44/jalaba/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsfc464e31.jpg) (http://s812.photobucket.com/user/jalaba/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsfc464e31.jpg.html)
The new 600 series is out now. :)
http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speakers/Home_Audio/600_Series/Overview.html
(http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz44/jalaba/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsfc464e31.jpg) (http://s812.photobucket.com/user/jalaba/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsfc464e31.jpg.html)
Got to listen to the 685 s2. New out of the box, it sounds better than the previous model which was in the same condition --- not broken in. It sounds much much clearer and has a better extension on the top end. The only thing I didn't like is it doesn't sound light on it's feet. A bit sluggish. I'll try to listen again once it gains a few more hours of playing time.Master G, what exactly do you mean by sluggish? because if I were to interpret it, sluggish sounds like this is not a speaker for rock music.(fast transitions)
Master G, what exactly do you mean by sluggish? because if I were to interpret it, sluggish sounds like this is not a speaker for rock music.(fast transitions)Master, i find the lower midbass slow. Like if a stick hits a drum and the sound resonates for less than half a second, the s2 takes more time than that. The s2 though sounds great for male vocals.
Master, i find the lower midbass slow. Like if a stick hits a drum and the sound resonates for less than half a second, the s2 takes more time than that. The s2 though sounds great for male vocals.
More HT sounding less musical?
I can't decide whether to get the new 600 series over the PSB Imagine series.
What amp plan mo to power those speakers? 600 S2 series sounds good on higher model ampli.
Parasound Halo A51 sir. 250watts x 5.Sir, na audition mo na A51? If not, advice ko Lang manipis tumunog...for HT ok,..for audio, not so...
Parasound Halo A51 sir. 250watts x 5.
Sir, na audition mo na A51? If not, advice ko Lang manipis tumunog...for HT ok,..for audio, not so...
Busog na busog pala sir
Parasound Halo A51 sir. 250watts x 5.
Sir any idea how much ngayon Parasound Halo A51? Saan kaya avail for audition? Thanks!
Sir, bought mine is the U.S. last year and converted it to 220v. I think Listening In Style sells this model.
Sir any idea how much dito? pinagpipilian ko kasi emotiva xpa-3 and A51.. Thanks Sir Lancito
Sorry sir no idea. Better to check with jjohnc. He's affiliated with Listening In Style.
Mga Boss.. ive been scouting for a power amp for my 684s. I heard rotel is the way to go.. what model is it any idea how much? or any brand?Kontakin mo ka ernie (banesto) sir. Pakinggan mo yan sa alpha 907. Comment ka after. Hehe try to demo rotel amps with it para ma-compare mo sir
TIA :)
Magkano na brand new ng 685 s1 now? I have heard na on sale daw. :)
may nabasa ako dito na best match daw sa B&W 685 S1/S2 ay SANSUI int amp. >:DDi totoo yan. >:D
it should be: Rotel amp + B&W or
NAD amp + B&W
Madaming ka match ang 600 series speakers. Sold alot of them paired with different Amps. Its up to the clients listening preference for the pairing nalang. No best match for me kasi iba iba preference ng client. So just enjoy your 600 Series with your existing amp/brand, just make sure to feed them well kasi power hungry sila. Hope this helps.
This is why I often recommend people to actually ask the ones who sell these brands day in and day out. Internet comments are fun to read. But at the end of the day, most info are just regurgitated to form a popular opinion that does not really help a budding hobbyist.
Guys, are B&W 685 warm speakers? Thank you.
Guys, are B&W 685 warm speakers? Thank you.
Guys kamusta experience nyo sa 683 s2 when it comes to movies? 2 more weeks left to decide :) vs svs prime tower. ill be using denon x4200 Thanks.
I've requested to demo a B&W set tomorrow at whatts hifi, if you have time you can drop by there to audition.
Guys kamusta experience nyo sa 683 s2 when it comes to movies? 2 more weeks left to decide :) vs svs prime tower. ill be using denon x4200 Thanks.
Wow. Seems like it. Bloomberg and Engadget also mentions this.
http://www.engadget.com/2016/05/03/bowers-and-wilkins-acquired-by-automation-startup/
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-05-03/speaker-maker-bowers-wilkins-sells-out-to-a-tiny-silicon-valley-startup
Cnet gave it 3.5. IMO, without hearing it yet, it looks like a good improvement over what I didn't like about the 685s2... lackluster highs, too laid back.
The Good
The Bowers and Wilkins 606 offers better dynamics and deeper bass than most speakers its size. Its clear sound adds insight into well-recorded music and punch to movies, particularly at high volume. The new silvery Continuum driver and domed driver lends the speaker a sense of class. The speakers also feature magnetic grilles.
The Bad
With the wrong system the speakers can sound too bright, and it's not the best speaker for so-called "badly recorded" music. A price increase over the previous model pushes it into a different class of speakers, but the finish doesn't correspond.
The Bottom Line
The Bowers and Wilkins 606 bookshelves offer bucketfuls of resolution and bass power, but they're more expensive and not as versatile as their predecessors.
i just learned that they have took away with Kevlar cones and moved to Continuum cones (like the ones in 700 series & 800 series). if not for the Kevlar (which I find too old looking), I would have the 683 S2 almost 2 years ago =))
seen on the pictures for the new 600 series, I think I'll lean on getting the white veneer -- when I get one.
also waiting for more professional audio reviews and What Hi-Fi Awards for this series, presumably...
(https://i.imgur.com/vkWAFVXl.jpg)
I have the B&W 606 with me right now for home demo. The CNET review is unfortunately spot on. On certain songs the speakers are painful to the ears. The bass is strong, the treble has a newfound clarity but with the wrong songs like Titanium by David Gueta it's especially painful to listen to. I tried switching the speaker wires to a warmer sounding one but it only helped a tiny bit. Maybe a warmer sounding amp will do the trick but I'll be returning this to the store.
What amp are you pairing it with sir? Thank you
NAD C 368. It's a class D amp which isn't as warm as the traditional class AB amps of NAD. It's a wonderful match with my Dynaudio Emit M20.
Ok sir Thank you! We're planning to use it for HT lang.. Will audition nalang siguro din.. Hopefully meron sa Hifi Show..For HT I see no problem. I use Klipsch for HT and it's quite good. For stereo listening now that's a different story.
For HT I see no problem. I use Klipsch for HT and it's quite good. For stereo listening now that's a different story.
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I have the B&W 606 with me right now for home demo. The CNET review is unfortunately spot on. On certain songs the speakers are painful to the ears. The bass is strong, the treble has a newfound clarity but with the wrong songs like Titanium by David Gueta it's especially painful to listen to. I tried switching the speaker wires to a warmer sounding one but it only helped a tiny bit. Maybe a warmer sounding amp will do the trick but I'll be returning this to the store.
I have to modify my review on this B&W 606. Based on numerous outstanding reviews online and advice from YouTubers that the brightness that I heard was due to the speaker not being fully broken in, I borrowed this speaker again for audition at my home. The speaker has already been played a few times at Watts Hi-Fi store in Makati Cinema Square but it was not yet broken in. I've been listening to it constantly since last Saturday and lo and behold on Friday night the speaker was finally broken in! Gone was the screeching treble (I had my tone settings at -3 for the treble) and super forward midrange. I could finally set my tone settings to flat without cringing! ;D
I've always pit this speaker against my Dynaudio Emit M20 to see if it could take it's place or not. Well after the proper break-in period let's just say that I preferred the sound of the B&W 606! Today I delivered my Emit M20's to Watts Hi-Fi for them to sell it for me! :o :)
How many hours did it take you to break-in the Speakers?More than a week of 3 hours listening per day. The shop was already playing it from time to time so I can't be sure of how long they played it. During my first audition (straight out of the box) one week was definitely not enough.
Break in continues. I am playing with drum covers from Youtube. Astonishing for its small size, Bowers and Wilkins 607 digs some pretty good bass . Onkyo A-9110 volume clock reaches around 10:00 -11:00 o'clock. Why Bowers and Wilkins 607 Speakers? I read a lot of reviews, mostly are on the web. Before, I was able to read some Stereophile Magazines, which I bought from Booksale. I read Whathifi, Enjoymusic, 6moons, and many speaker review sites. The very first time I heard a demo was with Wattshifi. I demoed PSB Alpha B1 and NAD C326BEE amp some years ago. Alpha B1 costs around 12, 000 pesos and C326 was around 20, 000 pesos. I was even planning to simply buy Alpha B1 at this time. Then, considered its replacement model, Alpha P5. However, after watching the review of Thabarmar of Youtube, where he made a comparison between KEF LS50, PSB Alpha P5, and Bowers and Wilkins 607, I went with 607. Thabarmar recommends 607 more than P5. He also stressed 607 as a performer of around 90% of KEF LS50. That was nice to hear, since LS50 is really a big money with a matching amplifier. Hence, I chose 607. In addition, The Master Switch website puts 607 on top of their list too. They consider the said speaker a good value speaker relative to its price and type of sound signature. The said reviews made my decision easier. With regards to pricing in our country, too, speaker prices are different. Some speakers are higher or lower than SRP. I once consider Elac B6 too but its price is high in our country. With regards to 607, its price is lower with regards to SRP. The more lower the price based on SRP, the better and more valuable the speaker is. Hence, price canvassing is I think very important too when buying speakers. Thank you.
Bowers and Wilkins 607 break in continues with Spotify. I think free Spotify will provide music better than Youtube. It has 50 million songs from past to present, wow! There is no need for memory cards, CDs, or external hard drive, all are in the web! I love Spotify. Also, if you have 149 pesos in your pocket, you can opt for Spotify premium, where you can upgrade the bitrate of music to 320 kbps. I simply paid using my load in Smart. Then, Spotify sent me a pin number I encoded in the app, then got a Premium account! There are more details that I hear from a premium versus free. Back to 607, bass gets better, vocals gets better too. New 607 has thin vocals, now it is getting thick and round. Spotify + iFi Zen DAC + Bowers and Wilkins + 607 = Happiness! Spotify = Happiness!What amp are you using?
What amp are you using?
BE PATIENT OF THE BREAK INThe current 600 series really takes a long time to break-in. I made the mistake of returning the first set of 606 that I home demoed, I had it for a week. After a few months I requested to do another home demo, this time I waited three weeks and one day the sound mellowed down (from being so aggressive) and it was finally broken-in.
Break in continues. I remember when I bought my first expensive headphones Grado SR60, around 5, 000 pesos. The sound quality of the Grado SR60 seems not reasonable for 5, 000. I think it sounds like my 1, 000 pesos headphone. I thought of selling the headphone. Then, after a year, I was surprised of the sound quality. The break in is long especially if I am using the headphone for less than an hour a day.
Then, I bought an expensive headphone, AKG 701. Another break in story. The downside of the waiting for a sound quality of around 17, 000 pesos headphone was not realized. Why? The deficient aspect was the amplifier. There was no sufficient drive and force from a 5, 000 pesos amplifier to drive AKG 701, which was considered by many as an inefficient headphone. That is why, even 100 hours of break in was achieved already, the sound quality is terrible. I even preferred my Grado SR60. Hence, AKG 701 was sold to a buyer. I even considered KEF LS50 to be my first passive speakers but I might have another terrible experience if I am unable to match with an amplifier. Hence, I bought an easy to drive speakers in the name of Bowers and Wilkins 607. I also considered Klipsch RP600M, an easy to drive speaker, which I think a great speaker for beginners like me. However, the pricing in our country is way above its SRP. Hence, the winner for the most reasonable priced speaker is the Bowers and Wilkins 607.
Back to Bowers and Wilkins 607. I think the Onkyo A-9110 is sufficient to drive the speakers. The combination was approved by the Master Switch (https://www.themasterswitch.com/ (https://www.themasterswitch.com/)), a website which reviews speakers and amplifiers. Hence, I decided for the combination. Plus, it is where the point of my budget resides. I think other owners have other combinations, too. Hence, we have this website, where we can share experiences.
I think I will give my final verdict after a year. December 2021 is the month that break in ends of the setup, Bowers and Wilkins 607, Onkyo A-9110, and iFi Zen DAC, Atacama Nexus 6i, QED RCA Interconnects, Audioquest Rocket 11 biwirable speaker wires., playing on 3m x 4m room.
Advance Paskong masaya! Bagong taong sagana sa lahat!
What's the used market rate of a 601 s3 and 685 nowadays? I've seen few good pairs on FB marketplace near my relative's place in the UK. Want to know if it's worth the hassle of shipping by sea.
A 602 s2 or s3 would be great :D
get both bai! bato mo sakin un di mo gusto il gladly buy it
may 601s2 at 602s2 ako dati
Thanks. Will check if the height fits an LBC balikbayan box :)
Is it true that the 602 is kinda sluggish compared to the 601 due to the bigger driver? This will be used for a 2-ch listening.
Check natin bai para direct ship na at hindi double handling coming from ormoc.
601s3 nalang ngayon available near my cousin's place. Pero marami available sa ebay. Mas gusto ko sa ebay kasi may delivery at hindi na hassle sa pinsan ko na pupunta sa house ng seller lalo na ngayon. Nakabili ako sa ebay ng NAD3020A at Audiolab 8000A, hinihintay ko end of May :)
I'm not sure about the 602 if they are not responsive but it surely could handle more power than the 601's. I really wanted to own 1 before when these came out, but never got the chance to own or try them. 601 s3 lang yung ma afford ko.
How much was the brandnew 601s3 before? Maybe the cost of importing is almost the same as the used market price here but the problem is availability, wala akong nakitang nagbebenta kahit sa fb at carousel.
What will you pick for 2-ch setup, a 602 s3 or a CM5? Both sets are used but in mint condition. CM5 cost 50% more than the 602 at the current selling price.
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October 2, 2020 was the first day of Bowers and Wilkins 607. Fast forward, July 18, 2021. After around 9 months, here are my observations: (1) These speakers are great for low volume listening. Why? There are plenty details even the level of volume is low. I appreciate this trait of speaker because my ears and neighbors ears are protected. Likewise, I can listen during night time; (2) Now, I know why this setup costs around 50, 000 pesos. The vocalists are singing notes with distinction, meaning when notes are soft, the voice of the vocalist is also soft, likewise with loud notes. Kung nagwi whisper si singer ay maririnig po talaga. Ang galing! kaya po pala mahal ang setup. For example, si Whitney Houston, sa kanta niyang "I believe in you me," sa first part ng song ay parang whisper lang siya kumanta, then slowly lumalakas ang boses niya. Yung piano nagsimula rin na mahina, then slowly lumalakas. Hence, observation ko po, pwede po tayong matutunong maging singer kung gagamit tayo ng hifi speakers. Worth rin po talaga ang pera na binayad. This is my first time with hifi speakers. Ngayon po ay napapa isip na ako mag upgrade ng amplifier ko. Medyo addicting ang tunog. Any input po, para pag ipunan ko na. Sa may mga 607 or 606, share naman po kayo ng amplifiers niyo for pure music listening. Currently using Onkyo A-9110. Thank you. Happy Listening to all! Stay safe and stay healthy! Makinig na lang music sa bahay.
I'm using a NAD C368 amplifier with my 606 Anniversary Edition and also previously with the 1st generation 606. It's a very good match.
Thank you po Conan. Nakita ko po sa signature mo na may Cambridge CXA60 amplifier ka rin po. Kumusta rin po siya sa 606? How does it compare po sa NAD C368? Thank you. Have a great day po!
Friends, which is a better pair, Bowers and Wilkins 607 and Rega Brio or Bowers and Wilkins 607 and Cambridge CXA 81? Thank you.
Friends, which is a better pair, Bowers and Wilkins 607 and Rega Brio or Bowers and Wilkins 607 and Cambridge CXA 81? Thank you.