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DVD Forum => DVD-ROM & DVD Backup => Topic started by: firewired on Aug 04, 2005 at 08:14 PM
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Strange new policy at CD-R King Gilmore: whenever you buy discs that are packaged in plastic cake boxes, you have to pay an extra Php15 for the container. Are they for real?! Can we verify if this is true across all branches? The guy behind the counter was new... and he couldn't look at me straight when I asked him point blank if this was a new policy.
If he was trying to put one over me, the whole damn store will get a piece of my mind tomorrow.
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Strange new policy at CD-R King Gilmore: whenever you buy discs that are packaged in plastic cake boxes, you have to pay an extra Php15 for the container. Are they for real?! Can we verify if this is true across all branches? The guy behind the counter was new... and he couldn't look at me straight when I asked him point blank if this was a new policy.
If he was trying to put one over me, the whole d**n store will get a piece of my mind tomorrow.
What the . . . >:(
In CD-R King Annapolis Carpark (beside Virra Mall in Greenhills, where the old Virra PC stores are now), they charged me P20 for the 25 cd container!
I also asked why that is so but did not get a straight answer. Since I didn't relish the prospect of the pristine disks being removed from their case and then being manhandled and repacked with their plastic, I decided to pay extra. But now that you mentioned it, I don't think they should charge extra at all--at the very least, we are saving them the additional work of handling, counting and inspecting the disks.
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Actually it's +Php15 for the 10-piece cake boxes and +Php20 for the 25-piece cakeboxes. It doesn't make sense since they never used to charge for the container if it was shrinkwrapped with the discs. This time, when I refused to pay, they promptly ripped off the shrinkwrap, unpacked the discs, and wrapped it up in that sticky cling wrap plastic tape. Talk about irritating.
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This isnt too surprising... CD-R King isnt a customer-oriented company. Sa mura we get what you paid for.
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yup, cdrking is no different from those divisoria and quiapo stores.
ot, speaking of very bad customer service, another store i detest is columbia computer stores. they forced you to check in stuff even if it is valuable when they cannot guarantee that it will get lost. that's why i always to compex or electroworld.
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This isnt too surprising... CD-R King isnt a customer-oriented company. Sa mura we get what you paid for.
i certainly hope you're talking about customer service and not about product quality... :P
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yup, cdrking is no different from those divisoria and quiapo stores.
ot, speaking of very bad customer service, another store i detest is columbia computer stores. they forced you to check in stuff even if it is valuable when they cannot guarantee that it will get lost. that's why i always to compex or electroworld.
yup... might want to avoid "octagon" as well... same policy kasi same company. ::)
BTW, didn't CD-R king start out at quiapo? ... or was it las salle ba? (can't exactly recal which started first... but gee! they are EVERYWHERE nowadays.)
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don't know which one started quiapo or lasalle... pero dati sa quiapo ako bumibili ng mga blank cd-r sa "YYCS" it's a hardware store and near entrance, there's a corner bilihan ng maraming blank CD-Rs tapos on the 2nd floor! meron silang large duplicating machine. ;D and one time nakita ko sa TV news! na raid yung YYCS bco'z of illegal activities daw! then after a few weeks... sumulpot yung CD-R KING sa quiapo tapos laging gulat ko sila din yung mga nagbebenta! I remember sa buy&sell magazine dati YYCS ang nakalagay dun.
haay... dadami na naman ang mga nakatambak kong plastic cake boxes sa bahay. ;D
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i certainly hope you're talking about customer service and not about product quality... :P
Customer Service... though the state of writeable and rewriteable media product quality has universaly been declining since Kodak stopped making their blanks. Simple reason is that cost is an issue. Brands dont matter either as about 1-2 dozen manufacturing plants churn out the world's supply of blanks.
With the declining cost of HDD on a per GB basis it becomes a more attractive option than CD or DVDs. After going through a few thousand CD-Rs I'm buying massive HDDs. Silicon Valley has a 200GB Seagate PATA drive for P6,100. Comes out to be P30.50/GB w/ 5 years warranty with Seagate's local distributor.
CD-R King started in Quiapo.
What do you guys do with your blanks? Burn downloaded fan films? :)
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Customer Service... though the state of writeable and rewriteable media product quality has universaly been declining since Kodak stopped making their blanks. Simple reason is that cost is an issue. Brands dont matter either as about 1-2 dozen manufacturing plants churn out the world's supply of blanks.
With the declining cost of HDD on a per GB basis it becomes a more attractive option than CD or DVDs. After going through a few thousand CD-Rs I'm buying massive HDDs. Silicon Valley has a 200GB Seagate PATA drive for P6,100. Comes out to be P30.50/GB w/ 5 years warranty with Seagate's local distributor.
CD-R King started in Quiapo.
What do you guys do with your blanks? Burn downloaded fan films? :)
you ha... LOL. syempre i use it to back up files i don't need on my pc anymore... ya know, finished projects and the like. ;)
i think the more interesting question is... what do you guys do with your coasters? :D
and only recently... been using them to "save" old audio CDs that have become victims of CD-ROT (before they become completely unplayable)... grabe! it strikes when you least expect it. usually it's the imported ones pa... grrrrrr! >:(
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What do you guys do with your blanks? Burn downloaded fan films? :)
I burn copies of my DVDs for one thing. After a couple of bad experiences, I've stopped lending out my R1s and R3s. Last I checked, that's still allowed under 'fair use' although the studios are lobbying really hard to remove that right in the US.
Going back to the topic, so I guess charging for the cake box is now a chain wide policy in CD-R King? Really stupid. Next time, I'll just bring my own container.
You're right about the service issues too. Some of these CD-R King counterpeople are just plain rude.
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Actually it's +Php15 for the 10-piece cake boxes and +Php20 for the 25-piece cakeboxes. It doesn't make sense since they never used to charge for the container if it was shrinkwrapped with the discs. This time, when I refused to pay, they promptly ripped off the shrinkwrap, unpacked the discs, and wrapped it up in that sticky cling wrap plastic tape. Talk about irritating.
Ah ok.
Oh well (as a consolation to myself), even with the added cost of the container, it's still cheaper to get the disks from CDR-King than from regular PC stores.
Another bad policy that has been mentioned before is their refusal to grant warranty for DVD disks, unlike CDRs/RWs. It doesn't make sense, since the possibility of certain disk brands being incompatible with one's DVD-writer is much greater than that for CDRs and CD-writers.
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They shouldn't add an extra charge for the containers especially if you're buying the whole lot because the "cost" of the container is already factored into the blank media that you're buying. That's like saying that you'll buy laundry detergent in a supermarket and the bagger will open the cardboard container and dump the detergent in one of the shopping bags.
I think the reason they're doing this is because they want to squeeze an additional 20 pesos from our pockets.
Would someone know the number of CD-R King's main office. Maybe we can barrage them with calls complaining about this practice.
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Thanks for the Info guys.
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Oh crap! Thats a cheap way suck extra bucks from your customers.
I guess thats the price of not having any serious competitor for writable media. Kontrolado nila ang presyo talaga. Friggin b@stards! >:(
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They shouldn't add an extra charge for the containers especially if you're buying the whole lot because the "cost" of the container is already factored into the blank media that you're buying.
At CDR King, empty containers are separately offered for sale. They are factored into CDR King's selling prices as a discounted per-disc price. In other words, since the price of the container was already deducted from the price of the disc, you will have to pay extra if you want that container included.
The retail price of CDR King discs are incredibly cheap. So cheap that competing retailers are scratching their heads trying to figure out how CDR King sometimes manages to sell at prices lower than the purchase prices offered by legitimate distributors.
Asar nga ang mga retailer-competitors sa CDR King dahil napakamura ng retail price nila. Pero OK na rin dahil it's the end-users who benefit in the long run. As indie boi says, mura pa rin kahit kasama ang bayad sa container.
One exclusive Philippine distributor once wondered how CDR King was able to maintain inventories of that distributor's brand, when CDR King had never purchased a single disc from it at the time.
The distributor notified CDR King about the problem and informed them that Philippine retailers had an obligation to purchase only from the exclusive Philippine distributor. Unfortunately, CDR King ignored the distributor's pleas.
Infuriated by the snub, the distributor threatened legal action against CDR King, warning the latter that it will cause the issuance of subpoenas duces tecum to compel CDR King to present receipts, invoices and other importation documents in court and to reveal its overseas supplier.
Realizing that such a legal move might open it to BIR and BOC (Bureau of Customs) investigations, CDR King offered a compromise: From now on, CDR King agrees to buy the subject brand only from the exclusive Philippine distributor. The distributor agreed.
Presently, CDR King purchases an average of more than 300,000 CDs per month from that distributor. And that's just for one brand - a mind-boggling quantity!!!
One last note. The distributor has been doing the math, and based on its estimates, CDR King's purchases of 300,000 CDs per month from them is still a low figure. The distributor suspects that CDR King, in violation of its agreement, is still importing thousands of discs of the subject brand from an unauthorized overseas supplier. The distributor is not contemplating legal action at this time - not yet, at least.
Would someone know the number of CD-R King's main office. Maybe we can barrage them with calls complaining about this practice.
Hindi ka papansinin - unless you threaten litigation. ;D
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one more thing, walang sistema ang CD-R king to accomodate the people...kumbaga, kung sino malakas mambalya siya ang uunahin na pagbentahan...almost branches ganito ang observation ko ..sa may goldcrest sa glorietta, sm manila and recently sm san lazaro..no wonder lagi ma nag aaway kasi hindi sila first come -first serve.. ???
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Yeah... and malas mo pa kung "inday" or "dudong" pa ang kukuha ng order mo... susungitan at dadabugan ka pa kapag madami ka tanong about cd-rs...
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Asar nga ang mga retailer-competitors sa CDR King dahil napakamura ng retail price nila. Pero OK na rin dahil it's the end-users who benefit in the long run. As indie boi says, mura pa rin kahit kasama ang bayad sa container.
Ganon nga lumalabas, kaya okay na rin, hindi pa nabuksan.
Realizing that such a legal move might open it to BIR and BOC (Bureau of Customs) investigations, CDR King offered a compromise: From now on, CDR King agrees to buy the subject brand only from the exclusive Philippine distributor. The distributor agreed.
Presently, CDR King purchases an average of more than 300,000 CDs per month from that distributor. And that's just for one brand - a mind-boggling quantity!!!
One last note. The distributor has been doing the math, and based on its estimates, CDR King's purchases of 300,000 CDs per month from them is still a low figure. The distributor suspects that CDR King, in violation of its agreement, is still importing thousands of discs of the subject brand from an unauthorized overseas supplier. The distributor is not contemplating legal action at this time - not yet, at least.
Hehe, naisahan sila ng CDR-King!
Now with the legit purchases, it's a bit harder to prove they are illegally importing those branded disks.
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Infuriated by the snub, the distributor threatened legal action against CDR King, warning the latter that it will cause the issuance of subpoenas duces tecum to compel CDR King to present receipts, invoices and other importation documents in court and to reveal its overseas supplier.
Realizing that such a legal move might open it to BIR and BOC (Bureau of Customs) investigations, CDR King offered a compromise: From now on, CDR King agrees to buy the subject brand only from the exclusive Philippine distributor. The distributor agreed.
Hey barrister, do you represent the distributor? You're right on the money with the BIR/BOC point. CD-R King would be very vulnerable to such an investigation. They should be careful.
Btw, if you compare CD-R King's prices to online stores like Meritline and Rima.com, CD-R King is still pricier when it comes to Class A professional grade media. If you have relatives coming home from abroad, do yourself a favor and buy original (Made in Japan) Taiyo Yudens. They cost about Php23 each for the 8X discs, Php14 for the 4X discs.
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As indie boi says, mura pa rin kahit kasama ang bayad sa container.
Sorry, ha. Si gaol pala ang sinasabi ko, hindi si indie boi.
Hey barrister, do you represent the distributor?
Hindi naman.
You're right on the money with the BIR/BOC point. CD-R King would be very vulnerable to such an investigation. They should be careful.
Actually, the BIR/BOC angle was part of the threat.
Ang problema kasi, you really can't say that it was doing anything illegal by buying from an unauthorized overseas seller.
The distributor and the manufacturer were bound by an exclusive regional distributorship agreement, but that agreement was only between them. For example, if a Chinese distributor sells outside his region to CDR King, the violation was committed by the Chinese seller (who is a party to the contract) and not by the unauthorized Philippine buyer (who has no privity of contract with them). Moreover, since the discs are not fakes, it would seem that piracy, unfair competition and/or IPR laws were inapplicable.
However, since the distributor was sure that there had to be a lot of underdeclaration of income and underdeclaration of importation going on, they decided to use that strategy to pressure them to buy from the exclusive distributor. Besides, hindi niya puwedeng sabihin kung sino ang seller dahil siguradong magagalit sa kanya ang seller na 'yon. Fortunately, it worked -- not perfectly, but they're happy enough with the results.
If you have relatives coming home from abroad, do yourself a favor and buy original (Made in Japan) Taiyo Yudens. They cost about Php23 each for the 8X discs, Php14 for the 4X discs.
That's excellent advice. My only problem is baka hindi compatible sa Lite-On ko. But I'll do that once I get my hands on one and get a successful test burn.
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and only recently... been using them to "save" old audio CDs that have become victims of CD-ROT (before they become completely unplayable)... grabe! it strikes when you least expect it. usually it's the imported ones pa... grrrrrr! >:(
Another reason not to use optical media. Music these days are like fashion items. They're nice to listen to now but a few months later you'd wonder... wtf is this crap?
I burn copies of my DVDs for one thing. After a couple of bad experiences, I've stopped lending out my R1s and R3s. Last I checked, that's still allowed under 'fair use' although the studios are lobbying really hard to remove that right in the US.
Going back to the topic, so I guess charging for the cake box is now a chain wide policy in CD-R King? Really stupid. Next time, I'll just bring my own container.
You're right about the service issues too. Some of these CD-R King counterpeople are just plain rude.
Wouldnt it be far simpler and less time consuming to go to.... bad people? :) You already own the original so just pay bad people for their time and services for backing up up for you. Like audio casette tapes DVDs depreciate over time. Right now all DVDs would depreciate once HD-DVD or BDs come out.
Presently, CDR King purchases an average of more than 300,000 CDs per month from that distributor. And that's just for one brand - a mind-boggling quantity!!!
No wonder piracy is so prevailent... :)
one more thing, walang sistema ang CD-R king to accomodate the people...kumbaga, kung sino malakas mambalya siya ang uunahin na pagbentahan...almost branches ganito ang observation ko ..sa may goldcrest sa glorietta, sm manila and recently sm san lazaro..no wonder lagi ma nag aaway kasi hindi sila first come -first serve.. Huh
The cheap price figures into cheap labor. Cheap labor = not the best labour.
Btw, if you compare CD-R King's prices to online stores like Meritline and Rima.com, CD-R King is still pricier when it comes to Class A professional grade media. If you have relatives coming home from abroad, do yourself a favor and buy original (Made in Japan) Taiyo Yudens. They cost about Php23 each for the 8X discs, Php14 for the 4X discs.
Thing is though CD-R king has to maintain inventory, pay rent, pay cheap labor, pay taxes, pay customs, pay bribes while maintaining a healthy profivt margin.
Corruption and high cost of doing business in the Philippines results in high prices.
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the problems you are talking about are not limited to cdr-king..kahit mga computer hardware stores may ganon din or even real hardware (yung pang construction ehehe) stores..may mga ganon puslit system..
yun naman walang pila pila sa mercury ganon din mas grabe pa kung dumating na yung suking senior citizen nila...nako ang tagal! ehehe
swerte lang talaga ng cdr-king dahil sila lang ang may murang presyo kaya no choice tayo but put up with their business practices..saan ka naman makakakita ng business na halos walang advertising, word of mouth lang, tapos na ang tataray ng mga tindera, some products have iffy quality pero dinudumog pa rin?
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the problems you are talking about are not limited to cdr-king..kahit mga computer hardware stores may ganon din or even real hardware (yung pang construction ehehe) stores..may mga ganon puslit system..
yun naman walang pila pila sa mercury ganon din mas grabe pa kung dumating na yung suking senior citizen nila...nako ang tagal! ehehe
swerte lang talaga ng cdr-king dahil sila lang ang may murang presyo kaya no choice tayo but put up with their business practices..saan ka naman makakakita ng business na halos walang advertising, word of mouth lang, tapos na ang tataray ng mga tindera, some products have iffy quality pero dinudumog pa rin?
and yet... inspite of all these valid gripes, they have drummed up enough business to expand to a point where they are in almost every major mall, school district and computer shop hub. i think there really is merit to giving people a good deal inspite of ... urm, "less than ideal" shopping conditions. ;D
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Wouldnt it be far simpler and less time consuming to go to.... bad people? :) You already own the original so just pay bad people for their time and services for backing up up for you.
Sorry, "bad people"? I don't get you. Why would I pay someone to backup my stuff? And why would making a copy be a bad thing? Like the United States, the Philippines provides for fair use in its copyright law although this has never been tested for digital media content. In the US, the Betamax ruling cleared the way for people to make copies of copyrighted and/or broadcasted audio and video works for personal use.
Now if I started selling copies or renting out copies... that's different.
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Ice Storm is referring to pirates. His argument is: If you already own an original DVD, buying a pirated DVD of the same title is basically just buying a "copy" of the DVD you have.
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Ah. Now I understand. Never thought about it that way, but that's an interesting point. Anyone care to start a thread in the general DVD Discussion area?
Personally, I've never really considered pirates "bad people" (as described above). There are worse crimes. The fact that the MPAA was able to get someone convicted in India for 6 years for selling pirated DVDs is just plain overkill. In some US states, that's the minimum sentence for second degree rape and second degree murder.
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We're diverging but I'll bite. I call pirates bad people because that's what the law (which ultimately what matters in the end) calls what they're doing. People doing bad things.
As I see it go to the pirates and buy their warez instead of going to CD-R King, fight with their idiot salesgirl, go home, rip DVD, make it fit into a DVD5 (afaik blank DVD9 arent available for resale yet), burn to DVD (praying no coasters), create a colored sleeve, make a colored CD label, stick em together and lend out. For a few more pisos you save time by going to a pirate. Kung sira you go back to em and they exchange. CD-R King has a no return policy for coasters
Unless of course you take joy from doing it yourself.
Diba PDVD discourages discussion on piracy due to it wasting everyone's time or wasting PDVD bandwidth?
Ah. Now I understand. Never thought about it that way, but that's an interesting point. Anyone care to start a thread in the general DVD Discussion area?
Personally, I've never really considered pirates "bad people" (as described above). There are worse crimes. The fact that the MPAA was able to get someone convicted in India for 6 years for selling pirated DVDs is just plain overkill. In some US states, that's the minimum sentence for second degree rape and second degree murder.
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So let me understand your logic:
1. Backing up DVDs is a waste of time.
2. Backing up DVDs is a bad thing? I'm not so clear on your position regarding this point.
3. Since it's a waste of time (and possibly a bad thing(?) to backup DVDs), then just buy from "bad people" since there's no difference.
If you're arguing from the point of convenience, then sure, it's always easier to buy a copy from somebody else. That's not where I'm coming from though.
We closed the original piracy discussion because the thread was getting seriously out of hand and posters were becoming emotionally combative. There may have been other reasons but that was the primary one for me. I'm not asking members to post about their views on piracy. I'm asking them what their opinions are on the limits of fair use. Is buying a pirated version of an original DVD you already own a reasonable interpretation of fair use?
So let's get back to the topic at hand shall we? barrister's point is that complaining to CD-R King's main office isn't going to do any good. We can't boycott them either since there's really nowhere else to go for cheap media. So any other suggestions?
Btw, you are within your rights to demand replacements if the media doesn't perform as specified. I've done it before and told them point-blank that it's illegal to deny a customer replacements regardless of any sign or in-store policy they might have written down. It's a pain to do but you'll get your replacements.
Also, make it a point to demand official receipts. They owe you that. They owe the government that. If they say no, tell them (again) that it's illegal and that they could all get into trouble.
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Sorry, ha. Si gaol pala ang sinasabi ko, hindi si indie boi.
;D
That's excellent advice. My only problem is baka hindi compatible sa Lite-On ko. But I'll do that once I get my hands on one and get a successful test burn.
If I remember a review at cdfreaks.com right, the Taiyo Yudens burn well on Lite-Ons--in fact, generally, they burn well regardless of burner.
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As I see it go to the pirates and buy their warez instead of going to CD-R King, fight with their idiot salesgirl, go home, rip DVD, make it fit into a DVD5 (afaik blank DVD9 arent available for resale yet), burn to DVD (praying no coasters), create a colored sleeve, make a colored CD label, stick em together and lend out. For a few more pisos you save time by going to a pirate. Kung sira you go back to em and they exchange. CD-R King has a no return policy for coasters
It's just me, but I'd rather have control over my backup, i.e., I can choose to shrink a DVD into DVD5 for some movies and spread over 2 DVD5s the other movies I don't want watch with compressed/compromised quality. I also save time from not having to go back to Q or wherever for 1 disk that's unwatchable on my player--also since I don't see the need to come up with colored labels and dvd jackets. As for coasters, I think, once you know the idiosyncracies of your burner, you'd know what dvd blanks work well and what to avoid completely for relatively coaster-free burning. And if there still is a coaster, popping another disk still beats having to go all the way to Q or your suking pirate for a replacement.
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1. In my point of view you could go to a pirate and buy a ready made "backup" to lend out to your friends. You could even not have to open your original/licensed DVD at all and keep it sealed making it "mint" and watch the pirated DVD. How much is the difference between a blank DVD, DVD case, piece of paper & some ink from a felt pen, electricity vs a drive to Virramall for a "backup" + the backup?
2. As you said it is fair use so it isn't illegal. What is bad is what pirates are doing is selling pirated DVDs to those without original copies of the DVD.
3. It is how you present it which makes buying a DVD to "backup" your original DVD that makes it technically... legal... I think. ;) Is it worth the hassle to deal with CD-R King's very competent salesgirls rather than go to a more accommodating pirate?
BTW what does Philippine law have to say about fair use? It cant be identical to that of the US. I just follow what is printed on the DVD or shown before the video is presented just to be safe. ^_^
I've done it before and told them point-blank that it's illegal to deny a customer replacements regardless of any sign or in-store policy they might have written down. It's a pain to do but you'll get your replacements.
Not to mention a waste of your time and not worth the aggravation.
Also, make it a point to demand official receipts. They owe you that. They owe the government that. If they say no, tell them (again) that it's illegal and that they could all get into trouble.
You can nail them on that account. Have the BIR knock em off. Death and taxes... ;)
It's just me, but I'd rather have control over my backup, i.e., I can choose to shrink a DVD into DVD5 for some movies and spread over 2 DVD5s the other movies I don't want watch with compressed/compromised quality.
The above and the statement below contradict. It takes less time to make manipulate a DVD to what you want than go to Quiapo? Do you by chance live in Baguio?
I also save time from not having to go back to Q or wherever for 1 disk that's unwatchable on my player--also since I don't see the need to come up with colored labels and dvd jackets. As for coasters, I think, once you know the idiosyncrasies of your burner, you'd know what dvd blanks work well and what to avoid completely for relatively coaster-free burning. And if there still is a coaster, popping another disk still beats having to go all the way to Q or your suking pirate for a replacement.
Again you spend on learning from one's mistake. You also spend electricity and internet time to learn how to defeat DRM/Macromedia and learn how to make backups. Once you have that knowledge you spend more time and money buying spindles worth of blanks and spend computer time and electricity to make DVDs.
In the end it doesn't matter what I or others think but makes you happy. All I wanted to do was share what insights i've learned from having the same hobby. Time was I used to backup thousands of movies to Super VCD (was before DVDRs are cheap) but when I saw how much time and money I've spent doing this I stopped cold turkey. I have 1 whole wall covered with CDs that cant be reused unlike say a HDD. I also dont want to sell it cause I'm not a pirate.
Funny thing is the DVDs we try to save from damage will soon be made obsolete with the introduction of BD & HD-DVD. I have yet to hear of a DVD that appreciates in value.
If I recall correctly pirates now offer DVD9 copies of movies these days... so no more DVD5s. ;)
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The above and the statement below contradict. It takes less time to make manipulate a DVD to what you want than go to Quiapo? Do you by chance live in Baguio?
Huh? ???
As I said, it's just me. As it's said, time is relative, and relative to my situation, the answer is yes, less time and effort, because with my schedule and Quiapo not just being around the corner from my house and work I need to make time to get to go there. And no, I don't live in Baguio.
If I recall correctly pirates now offer DVD9 copies of movies these days... so no more DVD5s. ;)
I thought so too, but not really true, at least not the so-called DVD9 copies I've checked using DVDinfo on my burner. They're actually just DVD5 disks.
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As you said it is fair use so it isn't illegal. What is bad is what pirates are doing is selling pirated DVDs to those without original copies of the DVD.
It is how you present it which makes buying a DVD to "backup" your original DVD that makes it technically... legal... I think. ;) Is it worth the hassle to deal with CD-R King's very competent salesgirls rather than go to a more accommodating pirate?
Fair use is backing up your own copy. You could argue that acquiring a pirated copy is fair use as well since you own the original, but the purchase/transaction itself is considered illegal because of the nature of the goods.
On the other hand, you don't violate any laws by buying blank DVD-Rs and backing up your original DVDs. Heck, from my understanding of the law in its current form (and barrister, if you're reading this, please correct me if I'm wrong), it doesn't even address gray areas like backing up optical media you rented and optical media you borrowed. Republic Act No. 9239 (also The Optical Media Act of 2003) is very specific in censuring commercial activities like the illegal replication and sale of copyrighted content but it's pretty quiet when it comes to personal use.
BTW what does Philippine law have to say about fair use? It cant be identical to that of the US. I just follow what is printed on the DVD or shown before the video is presented just to be safe.
The fair use provision in RA 8293 (also the Intellectual Property Code of the Philippines) is patterned after its US counterpart and is contained under Section 185.
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Ah ok.
Oh well (as a consolation to myself), even with the added cost of the container, it's still cheaper to get the disks from CDR-King than from regular PC stores.
Another bad policy that has been mentioned before is their refusal to grant warranty for DVD disks, unlike CDRs/RWs. It doesn't make sense, since the possibility of certain disk brands being incompatible with one's DVD-writer is much greater than that for CDRs and CD-writers.
another pahabol... they wont replace any dvd disk on greenhills or any branch except gilmore..
i dont know why
they said pinagbibigyan lang kayo pag sa gilmore kayo bumili..
reason?
di daw nila alam..
actually with their stupidity of giving really bad customer service.. i found other distributor of cds which came cheap..
from spindles cdr and casing and from cd labelling.. basta bulk..
never again ill buy from cdrking except dvd r disc since i havent found any stores selling dvd fakes..
for sales inquiries about cdr that im selling.. pls email
[email protected]
thnx..
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hi guys, i bought a spindle 50 pack dvd-r the ones that are generic, 4x optical quantum ang nakalgay sa labas, its still unopened, bought it last aug 13, do yu think i can replace it with those etop brand? heard good feedback about those medias. i bought it sa sm centerpoint and i have the receipt.
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No harm in trying. The eTop DVD-Rs are great. I burn 'em at 6X and they play flawlessly.
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No harm in trying. The eTop DVD-Rs are great. I burn 'em at 6X and they play flawlessly.
Sir Firewired,
Which CD-R King branch do you buy these eTop DVD-Rs? Gilmore? I haven't seen them in Megamall nor Podium. And how much are they per disc?
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They are available in 10-piece packs from Gilmore branch. Retail is Php12 per disc so it's pricier than the usual generics. Discs are orange and rated at 8X. Used most of it to backup raw DV footage and my old edits so I burned at 4X to be on the safe side.
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They are available in 10-piece packs from Gilmore branch. Retail is Php12 per disc so it's pricier than the usual generics. Discs are orange and rated at 8X. Used most of it to backup raw DV footage and my old edits so I burned at 4X to be on the safe side.
Thanks for the info. Have to check out Gilmore coz I haven't been there for a long time.
It's hard to find cheap but good quality DVD-R's at CD-R King Megamall and Podium. They only have the Philips and Sony brands at Php30/pc.
To get back to the topic, I totally agree that the "No Return, No Exchange" policy should be complained to the proper authorities considering that DVD writers are choosy in the blanks that they prefer. This also goes for the suposedly 'free' cakes. Lastly, better service orientation to the saleladies. Minsan feeling mo ayaw nilang mag-benta! >:(
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E-top is already available in CD-R King megamall. I was there yesterday. I wanted to get this but because of a very very tight budget I had to settle for the cheaper media. But based on Firewire's recommendation I'm gonna get me those next time. I need reliable media for backing up my MP3s and comics scans.
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E-top is already available in CD-R King megamall. I was there yesterday. I wanted to get this but because of a very very tight budget I had to settle for the cheaper media. But based on Firewire's recommendation I'm gonna get me those next time. I need reliable media for backing up my MP3s and comics scans.
Thanks for the info indie boy! Will check-out CD-R King Megamall later in the afternoon.
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I suggest buying a pack of 10 first for testing on your drive. It was recognized by my Pioneer A07 so I was able to burn reliably at high speeds. On the other hand, My laptop's DVD+R/-R/RAM Matsucrapa drive is extremely picky and recognized the eTop discs as 2X only.
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I just looked at my purchase at SM Megamall -- and pleasantly discovered that I actually bought the E-Top media, hehe. Dami ko kasing nabili this past week from different branches of CD-R King that I've mixed up the brands. E-Top is really good.
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I was disappointed when I went to CD-R King Megamall around 11am today only to find out that they've ran out of the E-Top DVD-R. They only had the DVD+R variety with the same rated speed (8x) and price (Php12/pc). I asked one saleslady as to when they will replenish their stock and as usual, walang silbe ang sagot coz hinde raw nila alam kung kailan magkakaroon.
I tried my luck and went back around 2pm. Low and behold, they have replenished their E-Top DVD-R stocks. Bought 30pcs. to test. They do charge Php15 for the 10-disc holder but opted not to buy them.
Sir Firewired, I've noticed that the writable part of the E-Top disc looks like the the Top DVD-R's that was sold by CD-R King a couple of months ago for Php8 each. I hope that they perform the same way also. Will let you know if my BTC writer likes them by tomorrow. Keeping my fingers crossed. ;)
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I've also tried both DVD+R and DVD-R of e-Top and i have to say consistent talaga yung burn. I posted some scans of the DVD+R at the DVD+R compatibility thread. The DVD+R has a MID code of EMDP000 while the DVD-R, DKMZ01 (the same dye used for the good batches of the Premium DVD-R). I just hope CDR-King will keep on selling these media as it works great for both my data and movie backups.
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Exactly! Except that while the old Premium DVD-R maxed out at 4X, the eTop version handles 6X without difficulty. Have you tried scanning an 8X DVD-R burn? I'd do it myself but the Pioneer drives aren't compatible with the tests.
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Not yet, but I do have a scan for one burnt @4X. Hindi kasi kaya ng enclosure ko ang 8X speed. I'll try it on a friend's BenQ and I'll post it kung available na.
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I bought a 256 MB Flash Drive from CDR-King Megamall last July and have been using it extensively until 3 days ago, it cannot be identified by the computer anymore. Even the LED light doesn't light. They have a sticker with the date when I purchased it on the flashdrive. May warranty daw ang flashdrive. I will try to have it replaced...hope they would be accomodating enough. :-\
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kasi bibili pa kasi ng bulok na kagamitan dyan e..
sa sunod dont buy there junks except cds..
ayan tuloy... :-\ :-\
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snapy- mukhang malaki ang galit mo sa cdr-king ah...ill try the replacement tomorrow baka naman mag-ok. kung hindi...sasama nako sa kampon mo >:D >:D >:D
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Went to CDR-King Megamall and asked if I can have my defective flash drive replaced. The attendant just frowned and looked at the package I brought. The package was complete with the flash drive, box, manual and CD driver but I wasn't able to find the receipt though. They asked for the receipt and I wasn't able to bring it. They told me that if I come back with the receipt, they will send the flash drive to their main office for assessment if it can be repaired if not then they will think about it if they will replace it. The waiting period daw is one month for them to repair it or replace it. :-\
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doc mel -- charge to experience na lang yan ;D
bros, pa post naman pic ng e-top .. tnx
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ok ung E-top sa Liteon dvdr..kaya lang dapat 4x lang ang burning speed mo..kasi humihinto :(
Anyway, kung gusto nyong masira ang araw nyo, just drop by CDRKing in MegaMall...Kung bibili ka, dapat siguro nsa mood ka...kasi kung wala, sira talaga araw mo At kung napatapat ka pa sa model employee nila...ibabagsak na lang sa istante ung binili mo na parang hindi fragile ung mga disks...At eto pa, ikaw ang may kasalanan pag di mo sila inintindi. Ive never been treated so bad... to think na ang dami kong binili...pag 2 piraso bibilin mo...isasagot sayo. "huh, 2 piraso?!!" sabay simangot. hmm... 1 lang ba ang may ari ng lahat ng CDRKing? or franchise ito? Mr.Owner ng CDRKing sa megamall.., kung nasan ka man... wla lang
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ok ung E-top sa Liteon dvdr..kaya lang dapat 4x lang ang burning speed mo..kasi humihinto :(
Anyway, kung gusto nyong masira ang araw nyo, just drop by CDRKing in MegaMall...Kung bibili ka, dapat siguro nsa mood ka...kasi kung wala, sira talaga araw mo At kung napatapat ka pa sa model employee nila...ibabagsak na lang sa istante ung binili mo na parang hindi fragile ung mga disks...At eto pa, ikaw ang may kasalanan pag di mo sila inintindi. Ive never been treated so bad... to think na ang dami kong binili...pag 2 piraso bibilin mo...isasagot sayo. "huh, 2 piraso?!!" sabay simangot. hmm... 1 lang ba ang may ari ng lahat ng CDRKing? or franchise ito? Mr.Owner ng CDRKing sa megamall.., kung nasan ka man... wla lang
to think about it.. i got some information abt whos handling cdrking..
1. yes isa lang mayari ng lahat..
2. no its not franchised and they would not allow franchise since mababa na daw ang tubo ders no room for franchise
3. the owner of this is NICHOLSON SANTOS.. since nung simula cya ang owner ng hardware nung wala pa ang cdrking...
4. nasaan cya? according from my source of information.. naglilibot lang yan and not checking his stores.. minsan makikita mo pa daw yan sa SM naglilibot lang... wla lang he doesnt care about his shops..
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Sna magkaroon na sila ng matinding competitor, para naman may choices tayong mga consumer...ska para na rin gumanda ang customer service nila... :)
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Sna magkaroon na sila ng matinding competitor, para naman may choices tayong mga consumer...ska para na rin gumanda ang customer service nila... :)
actually may iba namang shops tulad sa recto na tago nga lang... i buy those cds like melody white.. ok naman ung performance.. pero kung sa dvd di ko pa alam kung saan bibili ng maganda..
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There's also a new shop along Ogpin St named CDR2GO. Similar and items nila sa CD-r king per di ganun karami. Last time I went there meron silang Melody, Sigma and some other brands na DVD recordables. Don't know if the quality is ok. Di ko pa na-try bumili.
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There's also a new shop along Ogpin St named CDR2GO. Similar and items nila sa CD-r king per di ganun karami. Last time I went there meron silang Melody, Sigma and some other brands na DVD recordables. Don't know if the quality is ok. Di ko pa na-try bumili.
actually melody white platinum is good for cdr.. sigma same din.. but i dont know if the price.. can u give good feedback abt d price?
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E-top is already available in CD-R King megamall. I was there yesterday. I wanted to get this but because of a very very tight budget I had to settle for the cheaper media. But based on Firewire's recommendation I'm gonna get me those next time. I need reliable media for backing up my MP3s and comics scans.
Nakabili na rin ako ng E-top na dvd-r 8x na yan, yes my liteon dvd16x dual drive can detect 8x burn speed but cannot proces sand burn it corretly at 8x, error sya at verification, pero burning it at 4x no problem sya. So far since this is one of the cheapest 8x kuno avail at cd-r king, im opt to buy number of these pangbackup lang ng ps2 games and some of my orig dvds na rin for protection purposes.
Again it only burns at 4x, dont attempt at 8x, badly burned sya for sure.
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Ngapala since this is about cdr king bad policy.......just my opinion, ang mga sales ladies nila kahit saan ako mapuntang branch nila have a common grounds..........suplada at bastos. I know many are aware of these akaya lang no choice tayo sa mga mall kasi sila lang ang may mga "ok" na dvds and cds.
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Nakabili na rin ako ng E-top na dvd-r 8x na yan, yes my liteon dvd16x dual drive can detect 8x burn speed but cannot proces sand burn it corretly at 8x, error sya at verification, pero burning it at 4x no problem sya. So far since this is one of the cheapest 8x kuno avail at cd-r king, im opt to buy number of these pangbackup lang ng ps2 games and some of my orig dvds na rin for protection purposes.
Again it only burns at 4x, dont attempt at 8x, badly burned sya for sure.
i really dont know if it is advisable to buy tons of these.. since cdrking pumapalit ang quality ng dvd all d time..
cguro buy 20s muna cguro.. mahirap na magkamali..
and for d malls.. tama cya nga lang cd nagbebenta sa malls.. pero if naiinis ka na talaga .. look to quiapo.
meron doon like cdr2go na shop.. maybe u can buy from them
like sa akin nakabili ako melody good cd.. pero sa friend ko galing
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Ngapala since this is about cdr king bad policy.......just my opinion, ang mga sales ladies nila kahit saan ako mapuntang branch nila have a common grounds..........suplada at bastos. I know many are aware of these akaya lang no choice tayo sa mga mall kasi sila lang ang may mga "ok" na dvds and cds.
In fairness yung mga salesgirls sa CD-R King Quiapo are accommodating. Lalo na yung chubby na salesgirl.
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In fairness yung mga salesgirls sa CD-R King Quiapo are accommodating. Lalo na yung chubby na salesgirl.
baka nandoon parati ung boss nila.. since sa quiapo nagstart ang shop
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i really dont know if it is advisable to buy tons of these.. since cdrking pumapalit ang quality ng dvd all d time..
cguro buy 20s muna cguro.. mahirap na magkamali..
and for d malls.. tama cya nga lang cd nagbebenta sa malls.. pero if naiinis ka na talaga .. look to quiapo.
meron doon like cdr2go na shop.. maybe u can buy from them
like sa akin nakabili ako melody good cd.. pero sa friend ko galing
My only advice is go for RIDATA+/-8X. Wala talagang problem kahit at 8x. BTW, my lite-on can detect and burn ridata dvd-r 8x at 12x actual speed....confusing ha? but real. Good for PS2 backup and PC stuff backups.
RIDATA RW 4x kahit paulit ulit full reformat ok lang 4x parin unlike IOMEGA4x, after reformat/full deletion 2x na lang and then 2nd time around full reformat/deletion 1x na lang. Just some info guys on RW.
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My only advice is go for RIDATA+/-8X. Wala talagang problem kahit at 8x. BTW, my lite-on can detect and burn ridata dvd-r 8x at 12x actual speed....confusing ha? but real. Good for PS2 backup and PC stuff backups.
RIDATA RW 4x kahit paulit ulit full reformat ok lang 4x parin unlike IOMEGA4x, after reformat/full deletion 2x na lang and then 2nd time around full reformat/deletion 1x na lang. Just some info guys on RW.
are ridata still on stock nowadays?
since ridata na dvd nagbabago din ng production ng cd.. like my plextor could not detect ridata dvds+R na bago
the MID CODE changes too..
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baka nandoon parati ung boss nila.. since sa quiapo nagstart ang shop
I don't think so. Siguro takot lang silang magtaray dahil nasa Quiapo na sila. Hirap magkaroon ng kaaway dun e, hehe.
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If you're using a lite-on dvd writter od cd writters, mayroon silang free software avail at their web that will check the manufacturer and material used sa media nyo, thats how I usually check the media like Ridata dvd+r (gold color) and dvd-r (blue color) are detected as RITEK as manufacturer. I found that the liteon software is good in detecting ridata(ritek), iomega and HP medias, yung mga generic is somehow medyo doubtful ako but atleast you may have some idea on the material used. That is.....for lite-on dvd/cd writter drives only.
Sorry mods off topic na eto, fyi lang po sa mga liteon users.
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http://72.21.52.170/~cdrking/
new website.. check this out ??? ???
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Good News! CDR-King has modified their no-replacement policy for DVD Discs. According to the sales girl, they now replace also defective DVD discs as long as returned within 7 days from purchase date. ;D Kaya, dapat check kaagad ung discs isa-isa before stocking it. ;)
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Good News! CDR-King has modified their no-replacement policy for DVD Discs. According to the sales girl, they now replace also defective DVD discs as long as returned within 7 days from purchase date. ;D Kaya, dapat check kaagad ung discs isa-isa before stocking it. ;)
op teka..!! saan ka nagtanong nyan? at kailangan mo tinanong yang policy na yan?
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Bro -- first week of January, kasi napansin ko yung karatula nilang "RETURN POLICY" tinanong ko kung kasama na ung DVD and the salesgirl in SM Fairview CDR King said yes. ;D I even asked for reconsideration for the other DVD-Rs i still got and still with receipts which are not compatible with my writer, pero sabi nya, strictly within 7 days from purchase lang daw. ::)
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Bro -- first week of January, kasi napansin ko yung karatula nilang "RETURN POLICY" tinanong ko kung kasama na ung DVD and the salesgirl in SM Fairview CDR King said yes. ;D I even asked for reconsideration for the other DVD-Rs i still got and still with receipts which are not compatible with my writer, pero sabi nya, strictly within 7 days from purchase lang daw. ::)
ah dats good.. pero dapat tanungin ko ung SM MEGAMALL pag nagpalit na sila ng policy
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Why not start a company that will rival CDR-King? For all we know he is cheating the country by not paying the correct taxes right? Any takers? ??? Or atleast, start something, siguro alamin natin kung sino supplier nya and then let us start from there or rival his prices by getting discs from his suppliers rivals.....
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Why not start a company that will rival CDR-King? For all we know he is cheating the country by not paying the correct taxes right? Any takers? ??? Or atleast, start something, siguro alamin natin kung sino supplier nya and then let us start from there or rival his prices by getting discs from his suppliers rivals.....
ok its a good idea.. but there is a problem..
1st.. i think cdrking is the only importer .. like ridata arita benq.. but i dont know the others..
2nd.. are you willing to go taiwan and ask factories for cds?
3rd.. who are the suppliers of the cds here kung meron.. who are they?
kung alam mo mga suppliers nyan.. cge i agree lets make cd business here...
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Then how can you compete if you'll pay proper taxes while they're smuggling? Maski pa raid mo yan siguradong may padrino yan. You will end up losing money on your venture or follow suit in not paying proper taxes.
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for other customer support ask directly to him..
Registrant: Make this info private
cd-r king
2F Sampaloc Lane
Virramall Shopping Center
San Juan, Greenhills
PH
Domain Name: CDRKING.COM
Administrative Contact :
Santos, Nick
[email protected]
2F SM FAIRVIEW
fairview, fairview
PH
Phone: +63-2-2474252
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one more thing, walang sistema ang CD-R king to accomodate the people...kumbaga, kung sino malakas mambalya siya ang uunahin na pagbentahan...almost branches ganito ang observation ko ..sa may goldcrest sa glorietta, sm manila and recently sm san lazaro..no wonder lagi ma nag aaway kasi hindi sila first come -first serve.. ???
Been to SM Megamall branch, my Line na silang ginagawa. But Ang tagal pa ring pumili at magbenta ang mga tao dun. Need more staff for the work.
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Been to SM Megamall branch, my Line na silang ginagawa. But Ang tagal pa ring pumili at magbenta ang mga tao dun. Need more staff for the work.
it is becoz of the computation of taxes.. plus mapili kasi mga tao sa cd sa sobra daming pagpipiliin.. dey need bigger area with lots of man power.
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http://72.21.52.170/~cdrking/
new website.. check this out ??? ???
takte bago site nila ha.. check nga ninyo..
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it is becoz of the computation of taxes.. plus mapili kasi mga tao sa cd sa sobra daming pagpipiliin.. dey need bigger area with lots of man power.
di lang yan, nililista nila sa isang long pad ang lahat ng details ng order mo, kaya sa isang customer ang tagal bago matapos.
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I was able to get a TDK dual layer dvd from CDRking for P200. however, it seems to have been sold out. Finally used it to backup my slowly dying Infernal Affairs dvd.
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the prices of dual layer dvd recordable media seems to be going down (not fast enough tho. LOL.)
um, what kind were you able to get po? was it a dvd+r or -r?
thanks. ;D
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Mas Subok ko yung I-omega -r
for video and data kahit anong brand ng DVD burner pwde
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Mas Subok ko yung I-omega -r
for video and data kahit anong brand ng DVD burner pwde
ah teka.. diba familiar ka sa mga ibat ibang MID ng iomega..
some ppl here says some iomega sablay ha.. ???
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Sa glorietta magalang na at mababait ang sales clerk. Minsan hindi :P
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It seems that all of the branded DVD R cds that CDR King is selling is made by CMC except for the TDK 16x which is really by TDK.
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It seems that all of the branded DVD R cds that CDR King is selling is made by CMC except for the TDK 16x which is really by TDK.
e ang mahal naman non.. 25 yata isa..
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sa Podium branch masungit din... I just asked which brand has the largest capacity ang sagot eh... "pare pareho lang yan" with matching simangot and buntong hininga... >:(
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I wonder why all their frontliners have the common unwelcome attitude? Are they underpaid? Noticed this in Virra Mall branch, until to the latest malls, "ganun pa rin??". It's good that their Megamall branch closed (or did they just moved somewhere?), for me, that branch has the worse salespersons.
Same bad fate happened to me when I use to buy TDK CD-R for Consumers. I use to buy 2-5 boxes of this by the 10's. Out of 10, kalahati ang sablay, worst part is no exchange daw, kasi "sealed" yung CD's. Very risky.
Well, I just do hope that someday, someone will make her own shop and call it CD-R Queen, with a BETTER AND MORE COMPETENT frontliners.
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I wonder why all their frontliners have the common unwelcome attitude? Are they underpaid? Noticed this in Virra Mall branch, until to the latest malls, "ganun pa rin??". It's good that their Megamall branch closed (or did they just moved somewhere?), for me, that branch has the worse salespersons.
Same bad fate happened to me when I use to buy TDK CD-R for Consumers. I use to buy 2-5 boxes of this by the 10's. Out of 10, kalahati ang sablay, worst part is no exchange daw, kasi "sealed" yung CD's. Very risky.
Well, I just do hope that someday, someone will make her own shop and call it CD-R Queen, with a BETTER AND MORE COMPETENT frontliners.
ah mga tsiong.. tama naman kasi kailangan talaga ng matinding kompetensya para ayus ayusin nila ung customer service..
bcoz of those things.. i wouldnt buy anything from them except DVDs.. which i havent found any shops
that has more options to buy..
any DVD shops are welcome.. just tell me where to buy..
another thing.. same reactions.. 50% satisfied and 50% unsatisfied. check TPC site for more info..
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sa Podium branch masungit din... I just asked which brand has the largest capacity ang sagot eh... "pare pareho lang yan" with matching simangot and buntong hininga... >:(
Hahahaha! na dali rin ako jan...Nung bumibili ako...bigla ba naman ilagay ung (Lunch break) na sign board sa taas ng istante. :o
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DIS GUY IS NUTS!!.. lahat ng computer accessories binebenta na lang.. kulang na lang shabu e..
i dont know if all in the site are available in those shops nya.. kaht cable accessories meron na din..
kala ko cd lang to.. how d heck this guy do those things..
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Ok nga eh ;D....saw a 1 gig RS-MMC Kingston brand going for only 1.2K ;D ;D ;D
Complete with the lifetime warranty. ;)
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Ok nga eh ;D....saw a 1 gig RS-MMC Kingston brand going for only 1.2K ;D ;D ;D
Complete with the lifetime warranty. ;)
eh? sinabi bang lifetime warranty yan? as in papalitan nila ng buo yan pag nasira?
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i'm sure "limited warranty" yun. and anyway, warranty does not necessarily mean "replacement". most stores have a 5-day to one month "replacement warranty". beyond that, you'd have to leave the unit for evaluation and repair. replacement lang kung irreparable, di ba? :-\
and yup, they do replace defective items... a friend of mine recently had his 1GB usb flash drive replaced at their market! market! branch when the initial unit would fail after getting filled beyond 500MB. as far as i know, the replacement is working fine.
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sa pagkakaalam ko hindi direct hire yung mga sales lady nila..lahat thru agency at mukhang wala naman incentive kung malaki sales and kung may kulang sa inventory kaltas agad sa kanila (na parang ang laki ng sweldo nila to absorb such penalty)..which explains their sales drive eheheehe, pansin niyo walang nagtatagal ang bilis ng turnover ng employees nila!
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sa pagkakaalam ko hindi direct hire yung mga sales lady nila..lahat thru agency at mukhang wala naman incentive kung malaki sales and kung may kulang sa inventory kaltas agad sa kanila (na parang ang laki ng sweldo nila to absorb such penalty)..which explains their sales drive eheheehe, pansin niyo walang nagtatagal ang bilis ng turnover ng employees nila!
yep tama ka doon.. dat explains kung bakit matataray sila.. and another thing.. alam ko wla din sila alam sa market kung paano tumakbo ang company nila...
hay mauutak talaga ang mga tsinoy.. =/
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eh? sinabi bang lifetime warranty yan? as in papalitan nila ng buo yan pag nasira?
afaik, pagdating sa lifetime warranty, you have to deal with the manufacturer, not the shop where you bought it...
yung warranty sa shop eh limited lang...
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A question for those victimized by the "Bad Policy". Do you still buy from CD-R King? If so, why? I generally blacklist companies from my life if they wrong me.
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A question for those victimized by the "Bad Policy". Do you still buy from CD-R King? If so, why? I generally blacklist companies from my life if they wrong me.
yeah TRUE!!! ako binaklist ko na rin tong kumag na to.. except for dvds as long i can replace this supplier..
medyo mahirap kumuha ng dvd ngayon e..
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mind you there are different warranties.
Seagate has 5 years warranty sa hard disk nila.
Local practice is that for the first year the store where you bought it from handles warranty
2-3 years after purchase the Distributor handles warranty
and the rest is handled by Seagate Singapore themselves.
So if it is lifetime warranty approach the maker of the CD or DVD
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Probably bec. there aren't a lot of competitors around (i.e., stores selling mostly recordable disks and accessories).
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Do you know where i can find thermistors?
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Do you know where i can find thermistors?
Thermistors?
::)
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Create a new thread for this, fella. You can also Google "thermistors Philippines".
Do you know where i can find thermistors?
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Just bought cdr and dvd-r from CDR King in SM Valenzuela and Monumento North Mall.
Both stalls have very respectfull people and happy faces all around. :o ;D
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Just bought cdr and dvd-r from CDR King in SM Valenzuela and Monumento North Mall.
Both stalls have very respectfull people and happy faces all around. :o ;D
:)
ah masuerte.. cguro nagpalit na ng tao.. who knows.. depende sa mga tao e..
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ya malamang medyo bago-bago pa..pero meron din mababait rare nga lang ..hindi dumaan sa "training" ehehehe
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Actually I have seen them there for a long time now. The clerks at SM Valenzuela branch have been there since the mall opened last year.
Anyway, whatever training they receive, they should be aware of the basic courtesy that they should be extending to their customers. They are not the only ones who sell blank cds. ;D
I wonder why they don't sell black cdrs anymore? Good thing those black cdrs are still available at some shops in Caloocan.
8)
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depende talaga sa stores ung service nila. ang maaayos makipag-deal ay ung nasa sm valenzuela, monumento, megamall (some of them), and the one in ayala mrt. ang pinakabastos na na-encounter ko ay 'yung nasa quiapo. since my encounter with the quiapo salespersons, i told myself not to buy from them anymore. although, when they gave me wrong dvds (dvd-rws instead of dvd-r), bait-baitan sila! mas mahal kasi ung dvd-rw. sana pala di ko na isinoli 'yun sa kanila! :-X
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ang ayaw ko lang naman talaga is der product.. paiba iba sila ng MID e.. so i have no idea what cd or dvd to buy.. minsan ok minsan namili.. although same brands naman..
un lang..
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I wonder why all their frontliners have the common unwelcome attitude? Are they underpaid? Noticed this in Virra Mall branch, until to the latest malls, "ganun pa rin??". It's good that their Megamall branch closed (or did they just moved somewhere?), for me, that branch has the worse salespersons.
Same bad fate happened to me when I use to buy TDK CD-R for Consumers. I use to buy 2-5 boxes of this by the 10's. Out of 10, kalahati ang sablay, worst part is no exchange daw, kasi "sealed" yung CD's. Very risky.
Well, I just do hope that someday, someone will make her own shop and call it CD-R Queen, with a BETTER AND MORE COMPETENT frontliners.
haha..i was actually thinking of this kind of business! at first cd-r queen ang naisip ko na name but my bro said dapat something higher than the 'king', kaya dapat CD-R Emperador, but then a friend told me it would sound like an 'alak' daw...at kung pataasan na lng din naman ang laban, why not CD-R GOD? ;D
business world is a complete alien to me. actually nagtitingin-tingin pa lang ako ng possibilities. ang hirap kasi alamin kung nasaan ang supplier ng CD-R King and they are able to sell things very cheap...
btw, i'm new here! ;D
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cdrgod,
Welome to the wonderful world of PinoyDVD! 8)
It is very easy to "kill" the King, check mate does it all the time. ;D ;D ;D
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CDr-King Checkmate sounds good ;D
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How about CD-R Ace? ;D
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DVD-R King na lang, tapos may catch phrase ka na "It would take a lot of CD-R Kings to fill out one DVD-R King". Hehehe.
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blu-ray god beats em all!
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DVD-R King na lang, tapos may catch phrase ka na "It would take a lot of CD-R Kings to fill out one DVD-R King". Hehehe.
really nice one sir! :D hehehe..
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DVD-R King na lang, tapos may catch phrase ka na "It would take a lot of CD-R Kings to fill out one DVD-R King". Hehehe.
hehehehe... i like this one...
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Bought again from SM Valenzuela yesterday. When I got there medyo madami tao, but when the sales clerks saw me they acknowledged my presence and said "Hi Kuya! Hindi mo yata kasama mga kids mo?". ;D "Tapusin ko lang sandali ito Kuya", she said while attending to another customer.
Then a group of teenagers came and were asking questions like "Miss, ano pinagkaiba nun 6 pesos at 8 pesos?", "Mas ok ba ang burn pag si Garfield kaysa kay Mickey Mouse?". ;D ;D ;D
I thought the clerks would be unruly but they respectfully replied, "Depende kasi sa writer nyo yan sir, minsan kahit na mahal yun blank na ginamit hindi maganda ang burn sa ibang writer".
Looks like this thread and many other threads from other forums have punched through CD-R King's management and taught their employees how to be polite and treat their customers. ;D ;D ;D
Or is it just this branch? ::)
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Baka kc kasu-sweldo lang ng mga yun hehehe
Or baka dumating na yung 13th month.
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Baka kc kasu-sweldo lang ng mga yun hehehe
Or baka dumating na yung 13th month.
Baka nga ::). Pero I have asked my neighbors to "observe" the clerk's attitude and so far all is good naman.
Sana nga palagi na sila ganyan, kapag mabait sila for sure yun mga customers hindi na magwawala sa gigil. ;D ;D ;D
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A question for those victimized by the "Bad Policy". Do you still buy from CD-R King? If so, why? I generally blacklist companies from my life if they wrong me.
CD-R King lang kasi nagbebenta ng cd for as low as 8 pesos.
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CD-R King lang kasi nagbebenta ng cd for as low as 8 pesos.
ah eh di po ... ako nagbebenta ng blank cd for 7 per piece
may iba pang stores dyan can sell low prices..
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Bought again from SM Valenzuela yesterday. When I got there medyo madami tao, but when the sales clerks saw me they acknowledged my presence and said "Hi Kuya! Hindi mo yata kasama mga kids mo?". ;D "Tapusin ko lang sandali ito Kuya", she said while attending to another customer.
Then a group of teenagers came and were asking questions like "Miss, ano pinagkaiba nun 6 pesos at 8 pesos?", "Mas ok ba ang burn pag si Garfield kaysa kay Mickey Mouse?". ;D ;D ;D
I thought the clerks would be unruly but they respectfully replied, "Depende kasi sa writer nyo yan sir, minsan kahit na mahal yun blank na ginamit hindi maganda ang burn sa ibang writer".
Looks like this thread and many other threads from other forums have punched through CD-R King's management and taught their employees how to be polite and treat their customers. ;D ;D ;D
Or is it just this branch? ::)
e pano naman.. wla kasing porciento ung mga nagbebenta dyan.. dapat may 5% share cla sa sales..
and also observe other stols.. baka dyan nga lang sa branch na yan
or pinalitan na mga tao nila..
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snapy,
the clerks there are still the ones posted since the mall opened last year (or 2 years ago, not sure).
mamya punta ako ulit to buy dvd-r and will see kung good/bad mood sila. ;D ;D ;D
musta na kaya customer relations sa ibang branch? ::)
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The salesperson on SM BAcoor CDRKing somehow need to understand the meaning of good morals and right conduct. They seems to be pressured pagmadami na nakapila and the attitude is quite different? Tired maybe. Understandable. But thats the nature of their business and thats how they profit. The worst I saw is one of the attending personel is eating chippy while selling dvds and exchanging money to the customers, then dips back her finger to the chips straight to her mouth then holds the dvds and money again and again and again. Too bad, but she manage to wipe her fingers naman sa pants nya when selecting the dvds....hehehe. :o
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Medyo OT, pero ang ganda ng "gold" Verbatim CD-Rs na nabili ko sa CD-R King. Parang yung "vinyl" yung feel ng taas nung CD-R, albeit gold sya.
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Just got photo paper last week for P60 per pack to try lang. Sadly...out of 20 pcs, 15 ang defected. May mga uka uka ang surface...baka masira pa print head ko nito. So guys, u better check what ur buying ha b4 paying :) Wala daw sila warranty dito eh. Thou tried ko din P125 per pack nila and ok naman.
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Is the Cash Invoice slip given by the CDRKing can be considered as Official Receipt? They are imposing EVAT.
Thanks.
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Is the Cash Invoice slip given by the CDRKing can be considered as Official Receipt? They are imposing EVAT.
Thanks.
Anyone?
Thanks.
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I think it has to be labeled as an OR and should have TIN, etc.
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lumipat na sa mas malaking stall yun branch sa sm valenzuela! ;D dami stocks parang sa moa branch nila.
mabait naman yun mga clerks, especially yun mga dati na pero yun mga bago medyo snobbish... ;D ;D ;D
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I've bought stuff out of 5 different CD-R King outlets and there's definitely a consensus. All shop personnel from these different branches don't know what the hell they're selling. All they know is:
1. Stand behind counter.
2. Wait for customer to ask for item from shelf.
3. Get item from shelf.
4. Get money from customer.
5. Package item and distribute to customer. Give change to customer when applicable.
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1. Only one employee on duty per day. The rest can sit down and eat/gossip with each other during the entire shift.
2. Do not entertain questions from customers.
That's the CD-R King employee manual ;D Too bad great shops can't have great service.
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OMB orders CD-R King to pay P1.5M for illegal importation
By Erwin Oliva
INQUIRER.net
First Posted 17:46:00 02/05/2008
MANILA, Philippines -- The Optical Media Board (OMB) has ordered CD-R King, one of the country’s biggest suppliers of optical media and related technology products, to pay P1.5 million in administrative penalties.
This was after the OMB, through the Bureau of Customs, found that the company was allegedly importing optical media discs without proper import permits from the agency, according to Cyrus Valenzuela, officer-in-charge of legal service division of OMB, in an interview.
The OMB sent its order Tuesday to CD-R King, informing them of their administrative violation of provisions of Republic Act 9239, or the Optical Media Act of 2003.
CD-R King is a registered company allowed by the OMB to import blank, rewritable optical discs. Valenzuela said that the OMB is also seeking the cancellation of the license of CD-R King to sell optical media in the country. CD-R King, however, still has a chance to appeal to OMB about the cancellation of its license, the government executive said.
The OMB has asked the CD-R King to produce a report of optical media discs they have brought into the country.
“They were ordered to give their inventory for the past three years The law requires them to maintain inventory of up to five years,” the government executive said.
The Bureau of Customs seized optical media discs on January 21 allegedly being imported by CD-R King, which OMB later found to be lacking proper import permits.
Coincidentally, OMB has recently conducted its “validation inspection” to verify a tip it received that the same company was using unlicensed software in its operations in the country.
“We were disappointed to find that CD-R King might be using pirated software in their operations,” said Atty. Rosendo Meneses, Executive Director of the Optical Media Board, in a separate interview.
OMB is now verifying the software inspected in CD-R King branches if they’re indeed legitimate software, the government executive said.
At least 20 agents of the OMB were sent to branches of CD-R King, namely SM Fairview, Park Square, MRT Ayala Station, Starmall, SM Marilao, Trinoma, SM Megamall and SM Valenzuela.
The OMB’s inspection sought to verify allegations that CD-R King was using pirated software, the agency said. This was also after they’ve conducted their own surveillance of the company.
Valenzuela said CD-R King is given until end of the week to show that they were not using any unlicensed software.
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Oh man, this is a big blow for CD-R King. Tho they are the king but that doesn't mean they can simply get away from the law. ;D
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maybe prices of blank discs may go up...
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I went to mrt and glorietta branch a few days ago and I noticed that they dont have dvd-rs and only a few more cd-rs. The people queueing is also a handful.
After reading this now I know why, But the king always finds ways around. I remember a local distributor(?) filed a case against them. After shelling out a hefty fine, they were back in business when the smoke cleared.
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It's sad, but that's the way it is here with the law...money talks!!! :-\
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tama papasakan lang ng pera ang bunganga ng taga omb tapos ang problema!
sana mga empleyado ng cdr ang inusisa nila para gumanda serbisyo ahahaha!
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Hindi naman kaya mga walang alam ang salesperson nila kaya ganoon na lang sila ka-suplado para iwas sa tanong? ;D ;D ;D
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out of stock na mga dvd rs nila d2 sa mall of asia, 1 brand nalang natira!
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yun mga nagbabalak na mag venture into cdr and dvdr selling now is the time to setup shop! ;D ;D ;D
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OMB orders CD-R King to pay P1.5M for illegal importation
By Erwin Oliva
INQUIRER.net
First Posted 17:46:00 02/05/2008
MANILA, Philippines -- The Optical Media Board (OMB) has ordered CD-R King, one of the countrys biggest suppliers of optical media and related technology products, to pay P1.5 million in administrative penalties.
This was after the OMB, through the Bureau of Customs, found that the company was allegedly importing optical media discs without proper import permits from the agency, according to Cyrus Valenzuela, officer-in-charge of legal service division of OMB, in an interview.
The OMB sent its order Tuesday to CD-R King, informing them of their administrative violation of provisions of Republic Act 9239, or the Optical Media Act of 2003.
CD-R King is a registered company allowed by the OMB to import blank, rewritable optical discs. Valenzuela said that the OMB is also seeking the cancellation of the license of CD-R King to sell optical media in the country. CD-R King, however, still has a chance to appeal to OMB about the cancellation of its license, the government executive said.
The OMB has asked the CD-R King to produce a report of optical media discs they have brought into the country.
They were ordered to give their inventory for the past three years The law requires them to maintain inventory of up to five years, the government executive said.
The Bureau of Customs seized optical media discs on January 21 allegedly being imported by CD-R King, which OMB later found to be lacking proper import permits.
Coincidentally, OMB has recently conducted its validation inspection to verify a tip it received that the same company was using unlicensed software in its operations in the country.
We were disappointed to find that CD-R King might be using pirated software in their operations, said Atty. Rosendo Meneses, Executive Director of the Optical Media Board, in a separate interview.
OMB is now verifying the software inspected in CD-R King branches if theyre indeed legitimate software, the government executive said.
At least 20 agents of the OMB were sent to branches of CD-R King, namely SM Fairview, Park Square, MRT Ayala Station, Starmall, SM Marilao, Trinoma, SM Megamall and SM Valenzuela.
The OMBs inspection sought to verify allegations that CD-R King was using pirated software, the agency said. This was also after theyve conducted their own surveillance of the company.
Valenzuela said CD-R King is given until end of the week to show that they were not using any unlicensed software.
I remember one article of Conrado De Quiros in the PDI, lambasting OMB (then chaired by Bong Revilla) for having pirated software installed on OMB computers.
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My letter via email to CDR King:
Greetings CDR King.
I am one of your regular customers of your products. Recently last December 29, 2013, i purchased an aroma diffuser from your Kenko brance at Ever Commonwealth QC, as a gift for my family. A photocopy of the sales invoice 40121 is attached. It ceased to function on January 19, 2014 so i brought it back on January 21, 2014 at the same outlet for repair. Also attached herein is service form control number 93008. Your tech crew gave me a call after a week and told me that there are no parts available so i waited another 2 weeks. Being said, i gave them a call and i was informed that there are still no parts available. I went back to your Ever Commonwealth branch and informed them of such. They said they will do their best to followup my repair problem. Again, after a few weeks of waiting, i went back a while ago to said branch and was informed that i have to wait for a replacement part to arrive. I told them that i cannot wait any longer. I requested for a change of item instead but was told that it is not possible.
Hence, i am writing to you this letter to tell you of such incident and to formally request your office for a change of item of similar value. I feel that 49 days of waiting time is sufficient for your company to repair said item. I am respectfully waiting for your immediate reply.
Nelson de Leon
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My letter via email to CDR King:
Greetings CDR King.
I am one of your regular customers of your products. Recently last December 29, 2013, i purchased an aroma diffuser from your Kenko brance at Ever Commonwealth QC, as a gift for my family. A photocopy of the sales invoice 40121 is attached. It ceased to function on January 19, 2014 so i brought it back on January 21, 2014 at the same outlet for repair. Also attached herein is service form control number 93008. Your tech crew gave me a call after a week and told me that there are no parts available so i waited another 2 weeks. Being said, i gave them a call and i was informed that there are still no parts available. I went back to your Ever Commonwealth branch and informed them of such. They said they will do their best to followup my repair problem. Again, after a few weeks of waiting, i went back a while ago to said branch and was informed that i have to wait for a replacement part to arrive. I told them that i cannot wait any longer. I requested for a change of item instead but was told that it is not possible.
Hence, i am writing to you this letter to tell you of such incident and to formally request your office for a change of item of similar value. I feel that 49 days of waiting time is sufficient for your company to repair said item. I am respectfully waiting for your immediate reply.
Nelson de Leon
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-RjsfhuZzkKs/Ux7pSruDBEI/AAAAAAAACjQ/vWBg14K_JoQ/s219-p/Aroma+Repair+Receipt.jpg)
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You have been very patient with them already. They should have replaced your item if they didn't have the part(s) in the first place. I think it's about time to take some legal actions and let them pay for everything including your lawyer. I know it's such a small amount (of the item) but somebody has to do it to get their attention.
Pandaraya ang ginagawa nila sa consumers nila. Consumers (us) who made them an empire. Empire of many defective and disposable items.
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You have been very patient with them already. They should have replaced your item if they didn't have the part(s) in the first place. I think it's about time to take some legal actions and let them pay for everything including your lawyer. I know it's such a small amount (of the item) but somebody has to do it to get their attention.
Pandaraya ang ginagawa nila sa consumers nila. Consumers (us) who made them an empire. Empire of many defective and disposable items.
I will again try to give them an email tonight. Kapag walang reply, i will go to DTI muna. Thanks for reminding.
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Update:
Pinalitan na ng new unit yesterday. Working when we tested it. Pag-uwi sa bagay, kamukha din ng very first unit ko, its not working.
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labo ah. im pretty sure you tested it thoroughly bago nyo tinanggap yung replacement. baka nag babahay lang sir. hehe
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labo ah. im pretty sure you tested it thoroughly bago nyo tinanggap yung replacement. baka nag babahay lang sir. hehe
Tested it for less than a minute. Ang labo talaga.
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Update:
Pinalitan na ng new unit yesterday. Working when we tested it. Pag-uwi sa bagay, kamukha din ng very first unit ko, its not working.
Niyek.. yan talaga ang mahirap sa kanila e, marami rin silang products na "consumable lang" talaga. Although sometimes, may tumatagal naman, like my HDMI cable and LAN cable which I have already been using for 5 years na. Swerti-swertihan lang talaga
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Niyek.. yan talaga ang mahirap sa kanila e, marami rin silang products na "consumable lang" talaga. Although sometimes, may tumatagal naman, like my HDMI cable and LAN cable which I have already been using for 5 years na. Swerti-swertihan lang talaga
Yup. Sa costing probably nila, mascheaper pa ang mag-RMA kesa maglagay ng employees for QC.
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At umaasa na consumer will just get impatient and skip all the hassle and just buy a new one.
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At umaasa na consumer will just get impatient and skip all the hassle and just buy a new one.
Is Cherry Mobile owned by the same company which owns CDR-King?
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http://www.pepper.ph/cdr-king-express-eatery/
CD-R King Express Eatery!
Di ko makita yung isang CDR King thread.
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http://www.pepper.ph/cdr-king-express-eatery/
CD-R King Express Eatery!
Di ko makita yung isang CDR King thread.
With five-second return of food policy?
April 1 ngayon hehehehehehe
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One week replacement warranty ang donuts.
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With five-second return of food policy?
April 1 ngayon hehehehehehe
lol uunga april fools!