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Title: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: keating on Jan 05, 2006 at 08:03 AM
Let's talk about the first time our filmmakers shouted CUT! BINHI is the pedigree of ORO PLATA MATA before Peque Gallaga niched a name for himself. When Ms. Virgie Moreno ask him to show the film at the U.P. Film Center, he volunteered to hunt for the producer but it didn't materialize.

This will be a nostalgia trip down memory lane.  :)
Title: Re: Director's First Film Thread
Post by: Noel_Vera on Jan 05, 2006 at 03:32 PM
Mortal (Mario O'Hara, 1975) (http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/noelmoviereviews/message/300)
Title: Re: Director's First Film Thread
Post by: keating on Jan 07, 2006 at 01:32 PM
Noel, I always thought TATLONG TAONG WALANG DIYOS was O'Hara's directorial debut. Finally saw it, the ending is powerful and riveting.
Title: Re: Director's First Film Thread
Post by: Noel_Vera on Jan 08, 2006 at 05:39 AM
Yeah. From the start you can see O'Hara applying magic realism, surrealism and Freudian imagery in a narrative that gives little clue to what's going on; in fact, the film's form follows the story--as the man grows sane, the story grows more coherent, as if the teller of the story was the man himself.

Probably much too complex for audiences at the time, but I think it's a brilliant debut. Then with his second film he takes a quantum leap in scope and quality and comes up with what I consider the greatest Filipino film ever made.
Title: Re: Director's First Film Thread
Post by: marj on Jan 09, 2006 at 08:46 AM
Lino Brocka: WANTED: PERFECT MOTHER (1970)
Title: Re: Director's First Film Thread
Post by: Noel_Vera on Jan 09, 2006 at 09:43 AM
Which far as I know is gone, gone, gone.
Title: Re: Director's First Film Thread
Post by: keating on Jan 09, 2006 at 12:15 PM
Most of Lea Productions films are presumably lost. Sad to know also that Mrs. Blas passed away several years ago.
Title: Re: Director's First Film Thread
Post by: RMN on Jan 09, 2006 at 12:20 PM
Has anyone seen Monologo?
Title: Re: Director's First Film Thread
Post by: keating on Jan 09, 2006 at 05:45 PM
Yeah. From the start you can see O'Hara applying magic realism, surrealism and Freudian imagery in a narrative that gives little clue to what's going on; in fact, the film's form follows the story--as the man grows sane, the story grows more coherent, as if the teller of the story was the man himself.

Probably much too complex for audiences at the time, but I think it's a brilliant debut. Then with his second film he takes a quantum leap in scope and quality and comes up with what I consider the greatest Filipino film ever made.

Did Nora Aunor recoup her investment on this one? The critics embraced the film during its release. And its about time for another Aunor/O'Hara collaboration.
Title: Re: Director's First Film Thread
Post by: Noel_Vera on Jan 10, 2006 at 09:29 AM
Tatlong Taong made money, yes.

Monologo, Mike's short film? No, unfortunately, would like to someday...
Title: Re: Director's First Film Thread
Post by: keating on Jan 10, 2006 at 01:27 PM
Has anyone seen Monologo?

I'm also curious to see Carlitos Siguion Reyna's first short film.
Title: Re: Director's First Film Thread
Post by: renato on Jan 10, 2006 at 10:07 PM
I have a copy of Wanted:Perfect Mother. :)
Title: Re: Director's First Film Thread
Post by: Noel_Vera on Jan 11, 2006 at 04:42 AM
That's cool. Betamax or VHS? Original issue, I assume, or taped off a TV broadcast? You should contact ABS CBN...
Title: Re: Director's First Film Thread
Post by: renato on Jan 11, 2006 at 06:57 AM
I taped it off a VHS I borrowed from Daly City. EP Mode too but the picture quality is quite good (should've made a better copy). I just saw the movie last night and its probably taped from a TV broadcast cos when the governess uses the word "p*ta", the audio was erased.

It's very un-Brocka and not even very good but there are some well directed dramatic scenes, especially the one w/ Boots Anson Roa and Dante Rivero( beautifully photographed by Conrado Baltazar). The humor falls mostly flat except for some of Caridad Sanchez's scenes. Jay Ilagan and Hilda Koronel also appear in the movie for about 3 seconds of screen time each.

How exactly do I contact ABS-CBN about this matter? 
Title: Re: Director's First Film Thread
Post by: keating on Jan 11, 2006 at 08:24 AM
Even Bernal's PAGDATING SA DULO is not available on any video format.
Title: Re: Director's First Film Thread
Post by: jdv1229 on Jan 11, 2006 at 08:28 AM
Most of Lea Productions films are presumably lost. Sad to know also that Mrs. Blas passed away several years ago.

has she really? Vincent Nebrida told me she's still alive 'coz they were asking her if there's still an available print of Tubog Sa Ginto so that they could option the film for a possible dvd release.
Title: Re: Director's First Film Thread
Post by: keating on Jan 11, 2006 at 08:33 AM
They made a tribute to her a few years back. I'll confirm again, Jo. If I'm wrong, I'll correct my post.
Title: Re: Director's First Film Thread
Post by: jdv1229 on Jan 11, 2006 at 10:31 AM
They made a tribute to her a few years back. I'll confirm again, Jo. If I'm wrong, I'll correct my post.

really? maybe Vincent was talking about Aling Toreng...
Title: Re: Director's First Film Thread
Post by: RMN on Jan 11, 2006 at 12:10 PM
How exactly do I contact ABS-CBN about this matter? 

[email protected]

He's the main man of Cinema One
Title: Re: Director's First Film Thread
Post by: keating on Jan 12, 2006 at 07:41 AM
really? maybe Vincent was talking about Aling Toreng...

Yeah, probably Jo. Aling Miling was the one who passed away. It's interesting to note that Lea Prods. movies are wholesome.

And speaking of the late Conrado Baltazar, he's one of our fearless cinematographers and also one of the best. Name it some of Brocka's films stand out (GUMISING KA MARUJA, KAPIT SA PATALIM, JAGUAR) and always have a touch of gritty and realism.
Title: Re: Director's First Film Thread
Post by: renato on Jan 12, 2006 at 07:44 AM
[email protected]

He's the main man of Cinema One

Thanks.
Title: Re: Director's First Film Thread
Post by: marj on Jan 14, 2006 at 04:44 AM
Is Mike de Leon's BILANGGO SA DILIM still extant?  I remember watching it as the inaugural presentation of the video theater in Cubao.
Title: Re: Director's First Film Thread
Post by: Noel_Vera on Jan 14, 2006 at 09:00 AM
Yeah, copies are still around. I like it better than the William Wyler version.
Title: Re: Director's First Film Thread
Post by: keating on Jan 15, 2006 at 12:33 PM
LAV DIAZ on BATANG WEST SIDE as his first movie

"I'm not dismissing my other movies, the shorts I did for Mowelfund, the earlier features. They were vital steps in my growth as a filmmaker. But BATANG WEST SIDE is my first film becasue it is the culmination of my search for a personal aesthetic and a philosophy of cinema, the definitive LAV DIAZ film."

"I am not being selfish. Every artist who respects himself and his work, who recognizes his responsibility towards the society in which he lives, goes through this struggle. This is where I ripped up and threw away the theories, traditional structures, and strictures which were  obstacles to my development and to the development of Filipino cinema. NO COMPROMISE!"
Title: Re: Director's First Film Thread
Post by: Noel_Vera on Jan 16, 2006 at 12:52 AM
I understand how he feels, even if I disagree. Many artists have the impulse to say "this is where my career begins, and this where it ends." And we all have the choice to agree with him or not.
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: keating on Jan 16, 2006 at 12:07 PM
Sometimes artists tend to forget also their first features, even if they acknowledge it, after several passing of years.

MORAL is not Abaya's first feature but she always say that only now it got the accolades it deserves when the movie didn't found its audience back in 1982.

And how about EBOLUSYON.......what will Lav say about that?
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: keating on Feb 06, 2006 at 12:50 PM
TANIKALA (Marilou Diaz-Abaya)

Now I know why this film sank into oblivion. Its not Abaya's fault but the material itself and the script by Edgardo M. Reyes. With a powerhouse cast headed by Susan Roces, Romeo Vasquez, Eddie Garcia & Rita Gomez, Abaya's first directorial debut has fine performances and boasts of outstanding cinematography & production design. This is not her cup of tea, but the feminist angst that she would master starts here in the person of Roces.

The first 20 minutes was quite engaging after that it went nowhere. One must stand the slow narrative to know the mystery behind Roces personality and how she experience the trauma that still haunts her. Abaya was able to rebound vigorously after this mess with the grim and realistic BRUTAL followed by her best film MORAL.
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: keating on Feb 07, 2006 at 12:55 PM
ITIM (Mike de Leon)

I discovered this film back in 1983 during a primetime telecast at channel 9. It had a tremendous impact on me a sort of trauma that everytime Holy Week comes, I want to escape it and wish that Christ didn't die on the cross.

Now more than 20 years had passed and I saw it again last weekend. The memory is still there, still lingers but lessen due to the passing of years. A photographer (Tommy Abuel) comes back in the province and must face some supernatural elements surrounding the past of his father. Charo Santos who would later become of the most influential woman in Philippine Cinema delivers one of her best role to date as the sister of the victim who continues to haunt the father (Mario Montenegro) of the photographer. In his first directorial effort, one can see the genius of Mike de Leon. Its creepy, eerie, every visual shot and images will jolt you long after you have seen the movie.
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: jdv1229 on Feb 12, 2006 at 11:56 AM
Tanikala may have it's flaws most especially the lackluster script which screenwriter Edgardo Reyes had to weave together from a contrived Pablo S. Gomez story. the film is techically superior though. the production design was topnotch  so was the cinematography & editing, also a fine performance by Rita Gomez. Tanikala may not be as impressive as Laurice Guillen's debut film Kasal but the movie has it's own merits.
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: keating on Feb 12, 2006 at 12:19 PM
Very well said, Jo. It has its own merits but I still think its not Abaya's cup of tea.
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: jdv1229 on Feb 12, 2006 at 12:21 PM
Very well said, Jo. It has its own merits but I still think its not Abaya's cup of tea.


i totally agree with you on this one... she would've tried this genre agin with Tony Perez' Delubyo. sayang lang at di natuloy.
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: keating on Feb 12, 2006 at 12:30 PM
ITIM had a big impact on me specially during my growing up years. We use to go to Bulacan during Good Friday and I have to endure those people having penitents at their back with lots of blood. And the scene where Abuel taking pics of those men with lots of blood on their back.......I have to skipped that!
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: jdv1229 on Feb 12, 2006 at 12:34 PM
ITIM had a big impact on me specially during my growing up years. We use to go to Bulacan during Good Friday and I have to endure those people having penitents at their back with lots of blood. And the scene where Abuel taking pics of those men with lots of blood on their back.......I have to skipped that!

bakit naman? natakot ka ba?  ;)
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: keating on Feb 12, 2006 at 12:40 PM
Sort of......psychological horror, man!
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: jdv1229 on Feb 12, 2006 at 12:44 PM
Sort of......psychological horror, man!

kasalanan ko pa pala dahil pinadalhan kita ng kopya...
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: keating on Feb 12, 2006 at 12:52 PM
Harrowing and painful, man. But your copy is so mint! Tangna.....ganda!  ;D
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: jdv1229 on Feb 12, 2006 at 01:11 PM
Harrowing and painful, man. But your copy is so mint! Tangna.....ganda!  ;D

thanks! nagustuhan mo ba 'yung copy ng Kisapmata? uncut 'yon.
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: keating on Feb 12, 2006 at 01:27 PM
I haven't seen that, Jo. But I will, naka-line up na sa sked ko. I want to leave for one week, hehe. Hey, what's the difference of that from the Cinema One copy?

Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: Noel_Vera on Feb 12, 2006 at 02:14 PM
The ending is butchered.
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: jdv1229 on Feb 12, 2006 at 02:17 PM
I haven't seen that, Jo. But I will, naka-line up na sa sked ko. I want to leave for one week, hehe. Hey, what's the difference of that from the Cinema One copy?



not just  the butchered ending... the scene where Jay & Charo made love inside a motel room is included in the one i sent you.
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: keating on Feb 12, 2006 at 02:19 PM
The ending is butchered.

That's too bad. And the Cinema One copy has no opening credits anymore.
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: keating on Feb 14, 2006 at 10:09 PM
The ending is butchered.

Vic Silayan's character in KISAPMATA has parallelisms to Marcos Regime. Totally dictatorial in nature.
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: eman59 on May 05, 2006 at 06:30 AM
If I remember correctly, "Monologo" was tacked at the end of the VHS or Beta release of "Itim."  That's how I saw that short film. 

"Itim" was a splashy debut; it made everyone pay attention.  You can say the same thing for "Crying Ladies."
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: Noel_Vera on May 05, 2006 at 08:44 AM
Crying Ladies is a good debut film, but I wouldn't put it on the same level as Itim...that debut film is more on the league of Bernal's Pagdating sa Dulo, or O'Hara's Mortal...
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: eman59 on May 05, 2006 at 09:54 AM
How about those movie debuts that didn't quite live up to the pre-release hype?  I can think of "Alaga" by Christian Espiritu.  And there was one where Joseph Sytangco (?) played a cross-dresser, was it called "Manikang Papel?"  The director was an artist, I think it was Briccio Santos, but I'm sure I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: Noel_Vera on May 05, 2006 at 10:18 AM
Briccio Santos' debut I wanted to see, couldn't. Still interested. His latest, Cavaliers of the Wind, is a jawdropper, if only because he plays a journalist/James Bond figure (!?) and goes to bed onscreen with a beautiful Russian woman.

He was an effective villain in Kung Mangarap Ka't Magising.
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: keating on May 06, 2006 at 10:12 PM
Was Briccio Santos the one who made DAMORTIS?
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: Noel_Vera on May 07, 2006 at 01:30 PM
Yeh.
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: jdv1229 on May 08, 2006 at 04:18 AM
remember Wilfredo Ma. Guerrero's directorial debut Lady Luck with Lotis Key? he co-directed this movie with Iskho Lopez
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: keating on May 08, 2006 at 07:54 PM
Briccio Santos' debut I wanted to see, couldn't. Still interested. His latest, Cavaliers of the Wind, is a jawdropper, if only because he plays a journalist/James Bond figure (!?) and goes to bed onscreen with a beautiful Russian woman.

He was an effective villain in Kung Mangarap Ka't Magising.

I was surprised that he can act in Kung Mangarap Ka't Magising.
Title: Re: Director's First Film Thread
Post by: edsa77 on May 12, 2006 at 01:15 AM
Most of Lea Productions films are presumably lost. Sad to know also that Mrs. Blas passed away several years ago.

natunaw na..naging vinegar..nakapunta me sa tambakan nila..hay..nakakalungkot
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: pinoymovies on May 16, 2006 at 02:28 PM
Movie ads for Bernal and Brocka's film debut

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Join the Philippine Cinema Vault Yahoo Group to check out more ads of Filipino movies:

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Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: keating on May 16, 2006 at 05:43 PM
Between the film debut of the two master filmmakers Brocka & Bernal, I prefer PAGDATING SA DULO. The story is more genuine in approach, realistic about the life in cinema. All the thespians delivered their best performances most notably Rita Gomez, Vic Vargas, Rosemarie Gil & Eddie Garcia.

Eddie was hilarious as the filmmaker in Bernal's PAGDATING SA DULO.  ;D

Thanks for posting the ads, pinoymovies! Mever Films, the company that released the movie was already around during the 70's? Sounds familiar to me since I always browse the movie page section of Daily Express during my childhood days.
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: keating on Jul 01, 2006 at 10:37 AM
ALAPAAP (Tata Esteban)

I discovered this film back in 1984 during the MMFF along with SHAKE RATTLE & ROLL but only had the chance to see its full uncut glory this year. The poster piqued my curiosity, that face of Tanya Gomez looks so creepy and eerie that you don't want to see it during night times.

It really helps if you have the background in production design to achieve the atmosphere and look of your film. Tata Esteban (RIP) who designed the cult classics PEDRO TUNASAN & SNAKE SISTERS under Celso Ad Castillo managed to create a visual treat with creepy and genuine horror. ALAPAAP is a journey into the rarefied and convoluted world of Jake Vergara (William Martinez) with the help of his two friends, Dave (Mark Gil) and Donald (Michael de Mesa) who are filmbuffs while they  encountered the ghost of a woman named Baeg (Tanya Gomez) in an old house in Baguio. The group's stay at the old house is punctuated by mysterious incidents and weird experiences, suggesting that Baeg's soul is playing havoc on them. She turns the old house into a bedlam. The series of events and incidents are more of a grotesque nature that reminds me of Brian de Palma's CARRIE. A hair blower that rips apart thru the face of Christine (Eva Rose Palma) was effectively done, a dog kills and eats the body of a woman, the mummified body of Baeg occasionally appears and threatens the group inside the house.

Most impressive among the cast is Ed Villapol as the father of Baeg. Outstanding character actor Villapol can turn any role excellently whether comic, villain or supporting. Tata Esteban can now rest in peace but he managed to create a cult classic that has a mixed up of  horror, sex and suspense.

A clean and pristine print can be seen in Cinema One with subs but with several cuts, of course.
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: butsoy on Jul 02, 2006 at 02:44 PM
Does anyone know the ending of "Kaya Kong Abutin Ang Langit"? Coz when it was shown in Cinema One.. The cutted the ending..
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: keating on Jul 02, 2006 at 03:35 PM
If I remember correctly, Gina Alajar narrates how Maricel died at the ending. She was at the place of the accident.
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: jdv1229 on Jul 02, 2006 at 10:25 PM
the ending had Gina finally watching Maricel's body out of the river. at the start of the film she just saw an unknown body being drawn out of the water, the last scene sort of confirmed her suspicisions
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: keating on Jul 30, 2006 at 07:53 PM
SOLTERO (Pio de Castro III)

Well-crafted film that devoids of any hystrionic style of acting that you can find in most Filipino movies. The late Jay Ilagan personified the epitome of a lonely bachelor seeking love and contentment in his life. Its sad to know that both the lead actor and filmmaker are no longer around. Excellent ensemble acting throughout especially the supporting cast.
Title: Re: PAGDATING SA DULO
Post by: keating on Jan 17, 2007 at 08:27 PM
PAGDATING SA DULO  (Ishmael Bernal, 1971)

Paloma Miranda's first acting gig was a success. She was just handpicked while watching the shoot by the filmmaker (Eddie Garcia) who is trying really hard to maintain his artistic integrity while battling the commercialism that pervades too much in the film industry. The scene was really laughable! I almost died laughing while watching that scene when Rita Gomez steps in as Paloma Miranda.

It was 1971 and a man named ISHMAEL BERNAL made his feature film debut via PAGDATING SA DULO. Its a movie within a movie because you see what's happening inside the film industry. Bernal attacked the film in mock style thru the characters of the late Rita Gomez & Vic Vargas. Infuse with social commentary, wit and humor, Bernal made an impressive film debut impossible to forget! The setting sounds true until now if you follow the usual cliches that happened in the real movie industry. Eddie Garcia uttering such lines to his actors like "para kayong mga utak talangka!" is a tough act to follow! I wonder to whom did Ishma patterned his character.

Shot in glorious black and white, this film came out during the influx of the bomba era in the early 70's. Watching a Bernal flick, you always pick up a line after watching it. When Subas Herrero ask Gomez why she speak so fast, she just said......"maikli ang buhay!" such line will be repeated again in other Bernal flicks.

Ishma can now smile from his grave. While his rival Brocka pick up a comics material for his feature film debut, PAGDATING SA DULO has an edge. I want the dvd of this movie. I can't help but to join the small crowd in clapping before the end credits rolled when Pelikula at Lipunan screened it last 2003 at Sm Megamall. I left the theatre in complete happiness.
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: indie boi on Jan 17, 2007 at 08:48 PM
I loved Garcia's monologue on why he doesn't want to be called Direk and insists on Direktor.
Title: Re: PAGDATING SA DULO
Post by: keating on Jan 17, 2007 at 08:51 PM
I think its Eddie's best performance in his entire career, indie! Really tough act to follow!

Cinema One should show it without cuts! I almost died laughing also when his actors can't understand his craft. They are either too dumb or too drunk. Man, sounds really true.  :D
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: keating on Feb 13, 2007 at 06:19 PM
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m132/keating_01/docu1.jpg)

Tata Esteban's cult classic ALAPAAP.
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: keating on Feb 13, 2007 at 06:20 PM
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m132/keating_01/docu2.jpg)

Scenes from ALAPAAP.
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Post by: keating on Feb 13, 2007 at 06:22 PM
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m132/keating_01/docu3.jpg)

More scenes from ALAPAAP.
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Post by: keating on Feb 22, 2007 at 05:50 PM
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m132/keating_01/muvi.jpg)

Classic scene: The late Nida Blanca pour out all her emotions to Gerald Madrid in Jeffrey Jeturian's groundbreaking debut SANA PAG-IBIG NA.

SANA PAG-IBIG NA  (Jeffrey Jeturian, 1998)

Nida Blanca is a rarity in Philippine Cinema. She can deliver her best performance in two genre whether drama or comedy. October 0f 1998, Regal Films organized a small film festival of low budget films shot in just two weeks. In this camp came 3 cinematic gems, Mario O'Hara's BABAE SA BUBUNGANG LATA, Lav Diaz fulll length debut KRIMINAL NG BO. CONCEPCION  and yes, Jeffrey Jeturian's SANA PAG-IBIG NA.

Nida Blanca as the wife who later learned that her son knows very well the mistress of her husband adds another unforgettable performance in her list of filmography along with Brocka's MIGUELITO BATANG REBELDE. Almost all of the cast were excellent from Angel Aquino as the mistress of Chinggoy Alonzo, Vangie Labalan and newcomer Gerald Madrid. Even Pinky Amador in a very brief role as the daughter of Blanca was a stand out.

Jeturian shows a splashy and memorable film debut with such a small budget impossible to forget! I just wish justice for the late Nida Blanca because she gave justice also on whatever role she got during her times in the movies.
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: Noel_Vera on Feb 23, 2007 at 02:22 PM
I remember the screenings. The only problem with Sana, a nice little gem, was that it screened right after Bubungang Lata. Tough act to follow.
Title: Re: Director's Film Debut Thread
Post by: keating on Feb 23, 2007 at 07:36 PM
Were you able to see it, Noel? Jeturian's film debut? Nida Blanca's performance was also a tough act to follow!

And Pinky Amador as the daughter who resent by Blanca was truly a stand out! That scene in the cemetery and when she said goodbye to Nida only confirms it.