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Home Theater => Sources => Audio Only Sources => Topic started by: Weng! on Mar 29, 2006 at 04:11 PM
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dunno if this has been posted here before. but this seems to be very interesting esp. for the diy'ers.
Read reviews here (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31123)
some modders site:
http://www.methe-family.de/cd.htm
http://dogbreath.de/PS1/index.html
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your ps1 should be the model with the female rca outs for audio.
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yup, that is the SCPH-1xxx series (SCPH1001-USA, 1002-EU & 1003-yata sa ASIA)
pero some modders did said that the multi/av out produces better sound than the built-in RCA outs if unmodded. stock PS1 (1xxx series) already is a good cdp according to them. audio output mod was done by by-passing the op-amp before the rca out. the multi/av out doesn't have an op-amp that is why it is better, "daw".
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wow! ok po ito ah.
Thanks sa link GneW.
try ko po yan dis weekend :)
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post ur comparison with other cdp sir. tell us the model of ur ps too.
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sayang - pina arbor ko na sa pamangkin ko PS ko when i bought a PS2 :(
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yes post ko po result dito... hopefully workin pa yun ps ko.
kaso I can only compare it to hk dvd player(ala pang dedicated na cdp)
post ur comparison with other cdp sir. tell us the model of ur ps too.
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yes post ko po result dito... hopefully workin pa yun ps ko.
kaso I can only compare it to hk dvd player(ala pang dedicated na cdp)
sir,
waiting for your reviews. if ur adventurous enough try modding it and post the improvements over the stock. hanap pa me SCPH-1000 series. yung PS ko ay SCPH-7501 (2nd to the worst audio model ;D)
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matagal na ko naghahanap, pero no luck so far, puro scph-75xx ang nakikita ko :P
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Had i read this before, hindi ko sana binenta yung PS1 ng mga kids ko.
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paano ba mag convert ng PS1 from 110v to 220v? 1000 pesos kasi charge sa amin e. sabi nila na cap at transistor lang "daw" ang papalitan. kung yun lang sana, kaya kung e diy. tulong mga kapatid ;)
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Pre, para maging 220V iyung 110V kailangan magpalit ng transformer mo. Note kailangan malaman mo ang output voltages dun sa may secondary side nung original transformer mo para tama ang pagpalit. Hindi ko kabisado ang PS1 pero baka dalawang output voltages meron sa may secondary side. Kung di ka sanay sa paggamit ng voltmeter (analog man o digital) mas maganda siguro bumili ka na lang ng automatic voltage regulator para konti lang abala sa iyo. Tutal may regulator naman diyan na nagkakahalaga ng Php 100. Puwede na siguro eto unless gusto mo talaga maayos. Lagpas Php 500 mga iyon. Marami dun sa Ace Hardware, DIY, Handyman at sa Raon. Take your pick.
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Pre, para maging 220V iyung 110V kailangan magpalit ng transformer mo. Note kailangan malaman mo ang output voltages dun sa may secondary side nung original transformer mo para tama ang pagpalit. Hindi ko kabisado ang PS1 pero baka dalawang output voltages meron sa may secondary side. Kung di ka sanay sa paggamit ng voltmeter (analog man o digital) mas maganda siguro bumili ka na lang ng automatic voltage regulator para konti lang abala sa iyo. Tutal may regulator naman diyan na nagkakahalaga ng Php 100. Puwede na siguro eto unless gusto mo talaga maayos. Lagpas Php 500 mga iyon. Marami dun sa Ace Hardware, DIY, Handyman at sa Raon. Take your pick.
sir rascal,
thanks sa suggestion. smps po ang psu ng ps1 at may dalawang output daw, 3.6v at 7.6v. pwede rin palitan ng transformer pero dalawa kelangan. hiramin ko nalang ang converted ps1 ng pinsan ko at tingnan sa loob kung anong bago or pinalit by comparing it to my 110v unit. kung complicated sya, then i will just burn my 1000 pesos to the shop who does the conversion.
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Naku iyung power supply nung PS1 ay SMPS - Switched Mode Power Supply. Paki check naman kung wide range yan. Ang pagkakaalam ko kaya nyan 100 - 240Vac (actually 80 - 264Vac dahil sa design margin).
Hindi simple kasi magbago ng transformer ng SMPS, daming matatamaan. Sa primary side pa lang nung transformer may aux winding na! Tapos critical pa iyung inductance, wire gauge and winding technique. Minsan may belly band na naka ground etc etc.
Kung pang low line - 110Vac lang yan mas mabuti pang igastos mo na lang iyung 1000 pesos mo sa AVR. Wala ka ng sakit sa ulo sa pag-aabala sa transformer. Nga lang butas bulsa. hehehe ... ganun talaga ...
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ahh ganun pala meron pang transformer ang smps. akala ko na papalitan ng linear psu kaya 2 ang sinabi ko na kelangan. wala talaga akong alam sa smps ;D.
ipa convert ko nalang kesa bili ng avr. meron na akong avr dito sa bahay pero iba pa rin ang 220v kasi di ka na mag aabala na magkamali ang pag konek.
kagaya nung sa pinsan ko na may orig 110v na ps1 tapos nakonek sa 220v....sabog. pero dinala nya dun sa shop at convert sa 220v por 1000 pesos gumagana uli.
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Want to revive this thread uli. I have a very well maintained SCPH-1000 PS1. Just bought it from a friend. It's playing right now, stock pa. Once I have myself acquainted with the sound of the stock, saka ko gagawin yung mods. Ang unang napansin ko sa stock, mababa yung output, pero maganda soundstage, malawak and malalim. Ok din ang separation pero di pa kasing ganda ng NON-OS dacs. Napansin ko lang sa kanya is mass laid back sya, di forward yung vocals na parang mahiyain ng konti. Bka kulang ito ng gainstage, not so sure. Last observation, medyo rolled off yung highs and lows, kaya malamang sabi nila na parang nag-floflow lang ang music, di na didistract attention mo sa details. Medyo mahirap i-control with the ps2 controller, wala akng tv na nakakabit, so bulag ako with respect to skipping forward and backward ng tracks, pindot pindot lang. ;D
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good for u sir dohbert to own a SCPH 100x unit. i almost got one but somedy bought it ahead of me. offered the guy (new owner) to exchange with my SCPH 7501-220v/play-pirated console but has not closed the deal yet.
pls update us on your mods. where did u get the ps2 remote control and how much? is that a 1001 or 1002 unit?
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Hi weng, this is a scph-1000 Japanese Model. Wala pa akong remote control, nagpapabili pa. I'm planning on recasing the whole thing and giving it a separate linear PSU. Cge, once I've done the bypass balitaan ko kayo. Malaki daw ang improvements.
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Was able to source another psx with RCA outputs, this one is model SCPH-3000. It was released one year after the release of SCPH-1xxx series in 1994. The only difference between them is that the svideo output was removed in the latter version, for cost cutting purposes lang. Otherwise, they have the same DAC and opamp output, which is the only thing that matters for those after its audio. This will probably be the unit I'm going to mod. By the way, they say that these ps models are almost analog sounding. Since I don't have a TT, I cant comment on it, but another thing I noticed on the cd playback of these machines, it seems to be a tad slooower. Baka dahil sa clock nya, pero yung clock frequency nya is supposed to be the correct one. ???
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I have the SCPH-7502, how is this model for playing CD?
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To be honest sir, that model isn't really ideal for audio. Try to get those models with Audio RCA outputs at the backside. Models SCPH-1xxx or SCPH-3000. Hope this helps.
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I have the SCPH-7502, how is this model for playing CD?
your console is just like mine 7501 (US model). this model is 2nd the the worst in audio after the 9xxx models. read the link i posted on the beginning of this thread to see what models to look for.
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After 1 week of playing with the audio playback of the playstation1, I highly recommend using this as an alternative to more expensive cd players. I tried listening to the stock unit for 3 days and thereafter made the appropriate mods. I removed all the caps connected to the DAC, then attached a MKP cap directly to it, with the other end of the cap connected directly to the rca outputs. One thing I immediately noticed with the mod is the harshness in the highs caused by the electrolytics was definitely gone, in fact, the highs are bit more extended than before. However, as regards the low end, since my speakers don't go beyond 40hz, I didn't notice much difference in that department. As before, this cd player is very very quiet, and like any good dac, its ability to resolve really minute details in music is quite amazing. Another thing I noticed with the capacitor change pala, the tonality of intruments seems more accurate now.
Here are some pics I took with my celfone:
This is a pic of the psx with the regular controller attached for playback control.
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g101/D0Hbert/Sony%20PS1/Image023.jpg)
This is another pic, but with the IR module attached, now I can use my remote to control the playback
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g101/D0Hbert/Sony%20PS1/Image026.jpg)
This is a pic of the topside, if you'll notice the red thingy sticking out from the bottom, that's a big 3.3ufMKP capacitor used as DC blockers. The white thingy you see there is a styro I used to push the lock to have the psx in playback mode, tinanggal ko na kasi yung top cover, di masyadong maisara because of the big capacitor.
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g101/D0Hbert/Sony%20PS1/Image024.jpg)
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wow sayang, scph-5000 yung sa akin
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dohbert,
hwowww, galing!!! re-case mo nalang sir kagaya nito.
MST (Music Station Tube).
(http://www.methe-family.de/picture/psfertroeh.JPG)
click here (http://www.methe-family.de/cd.htm) to view how it was constructed. translate nalang from german to english using web based translator.
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Dear Dohbert,
Any success on your modification?
JoeyGS
After 1 week of playing with the audio playback of the playstation1, I highly recommend using this as an alternative to more expensive cd players. I tried listening to the stock unit for 3 days and thereafter made the appropriate mods. I removed all the caps connected to the DAC, then attached a MKP cap directly to it, with the other end of the cap connected directly to the rca outputs. One thing I immediately noticed with the mod is the harshness in the highs caused by the electrolytics was definitely gone, in fact, the highs are bit more extended than before. However, as regards the low end, since my speakers don't go beyond 40hz, I didn't notice much difference in that department. As before, this cd player is very very quiet, and like any good dac, its ability to resolve really minute details in music is quite amazing. Another thing I noticed with the capacitor change pala, the tonality of intruments seems more accurate now.
Here are some pics I took with my celfone:
This is a pic of the psx with the regular controller attached for playback control.
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g101/D0Hbert/Sony%20PS1/Image023.jpg)
This is another pic, but with the IR module attached, now I can use my remote to control the playback
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g101/D0Hbert/Sony%20PS1/Image026.jpg)
This is a pic of the topside, if you'll notice the red thingy sticking out from the bottom, that's a big 3.3ufMKP capacitor used as DC blockers. The white thingy you see there is a styro I used to push the lock to have the psx in playback mode, tinanggal ko na kasi yung top cover, di masyadong maisara because of the big capacitor.
(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g101/D0Hbert/Sony%20PS1/Image024.jpg)
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Was able to get our old Sony Playstation (SCPH-5501) from the attic and was able to obtain another from a friend (SCPH-1001). Tried the SCPH-1001 two days ago and I must say it really sounds analog-like.
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congrats rascal, the scph-1001 is the best candidate for cdp purposes.
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I have checked the schematics and found that the DAC and output analog section for both the SCPH-1001 and 5501 are the same. As to why, many people say the SCPH-1001 is better I still have to find out.
However, basing on specifications and layout the SCPH-5501 looks better than SCPH-1001. For one the laser assy of the 1001 is very close to the switching PSU which means this should be more prone to noise.
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However, basing on specifications and layout the SCPH-5501 looks better than SCPH-1001. For one the laser assy of the 1001 is very close to the switching PSU which means this should be more prone to noise.
i believe that is why the smps is one of the items in the mod list.
i've been silently fiddling with the idea ever since it was posted in a foreign forum, i hope someday i can get my hands on another one.
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After 1 week of playing with the audio playback of the playstation1, I highly recommend using this as an alternative to more expensive cd players. I tried listening to the stock unit for 3 days and thereafter made the appropriate mods. I removed all the caps connected to the DAC, then attached a MKP cap directly to it, with the other end of the cap connected directly to the rca outputs. One thing I immediately noticed with the mod is the harshness in the highs caused by the electrolytics was definitely gone, in fact, the highs are bit more extended than before. However, as regards the low end, since my speakers don't go beyond 40hz, I didn't notice much difference in that department. As before, this cd player is very very quiet, and like any good dac, its ability to resolve really minute details in music is quite amazing. Another thing I noticed with the capacitor change pala, the tonality of intruments seems more accurate now.
You did not use same value caps? Have you tried replacing it with ceramic?
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Using modified Sansui S-M7 bookshelf speakers, to my ears the Sony SCPH-1001 and SCPH-5501 sounded quite similar. Don't know how they would sound in better speakers.
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My Sony Playstations
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d87/rascal101/Snapshot029.jpg)
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A friend of mine gave me his Playstaion 1 SCPH-1001 (swerte ;D). Still working but the problem is, it was stock for 5 years na at puno na ng dust pati loob so i removed all the dust inside and cleaned the lens with a wet cotton buds, kaya lang when i played some cds and games, ayaw nya magbasa. all are ok except for it's reading capability, ano kaya ang problem nito? Btw, namo-move ba dapat manually yung lens rack? di ko kasi ma-move yung sa lens rack ng unit ko e, stack-up lang kaya 'to kaya ayaw mag-basa or do i have to replace the lens na, may mga available lens pa ba in the market for PS1? I need your advice mga bro, ano dapat kong gawin?
And one more thing nga pala, do i need a memory card ba to play an audio cd, wala na kasing memory card 'to e. Thanks.
Thanks,
reynold :)
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Sir Reynold,
May adjustments sa Playstation para makapag-read pa siya dito sa site na ito
http://dogbreath.de/PS1/LaserAlignment/Laser.html
Kung sa tingin mo hindi na kayang i-adjust or i-align pa iyung lens bumili ka na lang sa Deeco ng bago. Php 500 last time tumingin ako sa Deeco Farmers Cubao.
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Sir Reynold,
May adjustments sa Playstation para makapag-read pa siya dito sa site na ito
http://dogbreath.de/PS1/LaserAlignment/Laser.html
Kung sa tingin mo hindi na kayang i-adjust or i-align pa iyung lens bumili ka na lang sa Deeco ng bago. Php 500 last time tumingin ako sa Deeco Farmers Cubao.
Hi bro, I cleaned my PS1 last saturday, removed all the dust inside, cleaned the lens and put enough oil on some part of the lens tray/rack... it worked!!! :D (though there are cds na medyo hirap sya basahin, i'll read the link you gave me, baka makuha pa sa konting adjustments :))
Tama nga sila, the PS1 sounds good talaga, to think na stock pa ang PS1 ko (No Mods yet and Not yet burned-in in 3 days as suggested by some audiophiles accdg to the reviews), i can't describe exactly how it performs, but it sounded almost the same as my Sony 333esd... or should i say better than my Sony 333esd, mas Airy and mas malawak ang soundstage ng PS1 SCPH-1001 :) :) :)
...pag na-solve ko ang reading capability ng PS1 ko, malamang ito na ang magiging main CDP ko ;)
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Hindi ko ginawa iyung mga mods sa PS1 (base sa internet) dahil napansin ko nag tunog CD siya noong nag-short ako ng coupling caps. Iyung 1 PS1 (model SCPH-5501), pinalitan ko na lang ng 10uF SMD ceramic caps iyung original na 10uF electrolytic caps. Mas maganda mids at mas detalyado compared sa unmodded PS1 (model SCPH-1001) while still retaining iyung visibility noong mga iba't ibang instruments. Analog sounding pa rin.
Previously, sinubukan ko rin lagyan ng back to back electrolytic na 22uF + 8uF SMD ceramic, mas maganda nga kaya lang naging frontal masyado mids tapos humina mga instruments. Hindi ko nagustuhan.
Compared sa 3 highly modded CDP ko dito sa bahay so far, ito para sa akin ang pinaka-analog sounding sa lahat :)
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BTW, I also modified the switching PSU of the playstation to decrease input noise and output ripple. This way the output voltages would be more linear. Did not consider changing to linear PSU because of size constraints (I also didn't like external PSUs).
The changes:
1. Changed the output caps to Oscon caps and added 0.1uF decoupling caps
2. Changed input rectifier to BYV26D
3. Changed bulk cap with higher capacitance
4. Added 0.33uF X2 differential cap at the AC input
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Sir Rascal,
I've tried last night the link that you gave me, nababasa na ng PS1 ko almost all of my cds, there are times nga lang na humihinto for a second yung song and then play uli. Napansin ko lang, hindi ko kasi makuha yung exact value ng Bias and Gain, nag-iiba din kasi yung value everytime pihitin ko yung focus or isa dun sa dalawa...
Right now ang value na nakukuha ko ay...
1.83v (Laser Intensity ata ito)
1.77v (Bias)
1.75v (Gain)
Wala bang magiging negative impact 'to sa PS1?
Thanks bro :)
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Mataas ata iyung laser intensity kasi ang sinabi sa link ay 11.4mV. Sinabi rin ay:
The voltage has to be measured when the laser is in the upper position. Hold the security switch (B in uppermost image) pressed (put something into the hole)
Ginawa mo ba ito?
Tungkol naman sa bias at gain, hindi naman kailangan eksakto e. Ang hirap i-set ng eksakto kasi specially hindi precision trimmer ang gamit ng Playstation.
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Speaking of ps1 lens assembly, how are those sold at deeco? Namimili ba or ma-jitter? The replacement assembly I got from one of the stores in raon is really bad. It will read the cds fine, pero ma jitter, puro tsk tsk tsk sa background. I tried bypassing the coupling cap stage entirely at one point pala, and actually this will give a better resolution to the sound, just make sure may coupling cap sa input ng app or pre-amp ;D
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I can't say because I haven't tried them yet. However, when I asked the saleslady about the warranty at Deeco Cubao she said "no warranty". She added further, "gumagana iyan kasi factory tested naman iyan eh" ???
Nawalan tuloy ako ng gana bumili.
Anyway, I have a friend who will be "donating" a ps1 this April. Hope April comes real soon ;D ;D ;D
Yup, shorting the caps will give better resolution indeed. However, how did you find the sound as far as the details are concerned? Wala bang nawawala na dating naririnig mo?
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Mataas ata iyung laser intensity kasi ang sinabi sa link ay 11.4mV. Sinabi rin ay:
The voltage has to be measured when the laser is in the upper position. Hold the security switch (B in uppermost image) pressed (put something into the hole)
Ginawa mo ba ito?
Tungkol naman sa bias at gain, hindi naman kailangan eksakto e. Ang hirap i-set ng eksakto kasi specially hindi precision trimmer ang gamit ng Playstation.
Ay yung bias at gain lang pala ang nasukat at in-adjust ko, di ko pala nasukat yung intensity na dapat dun nakalagay yung pointer ng multi-meter ko... try ko mamaya yung intensity kung naka-11.4mV.
Thanks sir rascal :)
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Regarding details, its still there even with the coupling caps, however, they are not as forward sounding. But then again, it might just be a case of bad coupling caps. They've done tests on what coupling caps are best for the ps1. I havent followed the thread for a while, since I've changed my setup temporarily to a computer based music server. I'll start a different thread on this.
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hi sirs,
im a newbie. i hope this thread is still active...
where can i buy used playstation 1 with the specific model that is good for cdp use?
how about remote control?
salamat po :)
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Easter revival of the "top-loader" thread. Hehehe.
My suggestion: Try posting an LF. There might be people around who'd like a 2nd home for their PS1s.
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Easter revival of the "top-loader" thread. Hehehe.
My suggestion: Try posting an LF. There might be people around who'd like a 2nd home for their PS1s.
thanks stagea
will ask some friends as well :)
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For the remote....I bought generic PS1/PS2 IR remote where you place the IR receiver in the joystick port. You can buy them in playstation shops.
hi sirs,
im a newbie. i hope this thread is still active...
where can i buy used playstation 1 with the specific model that is good for cdp use?
how about remote control?
salamat po :)
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For the remote....I bought generic PS1/PS2 IR remote where you place the IR receiver in the joystick port. You can buy them in playstation shops.
hi joey,
thanks for the info....hows the performance of the ps1 as cdp? are u enjoying it?
cheers :)
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My PS1 is still in stock form and modification will still be lined up. But as a stock unit, you can already hear its potential.
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i have a ps1 but its the model 900x ang sama ng tunog. When i opened it, iba ang design sa loob very dissimilar dun sa pinakita sa model scph 100x.....im still on the look for model 100x, ang layo kasi ng raon.
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SCPH-9000 PO PWEDE?
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SCPH-100X series lang po iyung na-establish na maganda tumunog.
Malapit sa Puregold Valenzuela may surplus shop. Dami PS1 SCPH-100X series doon from Japan.
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7001 pwede? meron kasi ako nung 2 model sa anak ko pa dati,,,hinanap ko sa bodega yun ang model code sa likod scph-9000 and 7001 respectively....
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SCPH-100X lang po. Iba ang piyesa at PCB layout ng hindi SCPH-100X.
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Found a Ps1 SCPH-1001 for php400 lang 8)
Where can I buy original lens for this? And for how much?
Mukhang none of the shops in Greenhills have lenses anymore.
One shop even offered me a used lens from one of their stocked Ps1's :P
TIA
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Found a Ps1 SCPH-1001 for php400 lang 8)
Where can I buy original lens for this? And for how much?
Mukhang none of the shops in Greenhills have lenses anymore.
One shop even offered me a used lens from one of their stocked Ps1's :P
TIA
You can buy the lens at Deeco. I found lens being sold at Deeco Cubao and Deeco Quiapo. If my memory serves me right, it used to cost Php 800.00.
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^ Is it original?
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It is not made in Japan more like Taiwan or China. However, I think it is good enough.
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saan pa kaya pwede maka score nito? ::)
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Found a Ps1 SCPH-1001 for php400 lang 8)
Where can I buy original lens for this? And for how much?
Mukhang none of the shops in Greenhills have lenses anymore.
One shop even offered me a used lens from one of their stocked Ps1's :P
TIA
What's this? Buying more junk again? :o
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my decade old PS1, still functioning!
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm89/tuneman_504/caloyjeloatbp007.jpg)
Serial Input/ Output:
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm89/tuneman_504/caloyjeloatbp009.jpg)
anong klaseng cable po ang kinakabit dito?
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hi alihug,
please check the model number of your ps1. the model reviewed by stereophile and recommended for cdp use is model scph 1000. puede rin scph 1001-1002
was able to get a model scph 1001 from raon and luckily umaandar ang unit.
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Bro, saan sa Raon? How much?
Thanks.
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is it really worth it to try PS1? maganda ba talaga tumunog? may nakita kasi akong tindahan na merong PS1 for P1300, scph-1000 made in japan. mga limang units yung may ganitong serial. yung iba kasi eh, scph3000, scph3500, and scph5000. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D feedback naman mga sirs kung saan sya comparable. mas maganda pa kaya sya sa NAD525 na ginagamit ko ngayon? TIA
;D ;D ;D ::) ;D ;D ;D
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at that price, why not buy it na.
Got mine for php400 in a junk shop :o
Not so sure about the SQ compared to NAD CD player since I've never heard a NAD sing yet.
I can say however, that the difference was night & day when compared to my Panasonic Q CD player.
Ps1's volume output is a tad lower than other CD players.
I had to increase my volume 15% more. But it didn't matter since the SQ more than made up for it.
My music sounded much more pleasant and listening fatigue was gone when using it.
I didn't even realize my system sounded bright before hooking up the PS1.
just make sure it powers on and it reads discs. Also, PS1 lenses are readily available in ebay.
BTW can you PM me where that tindahan is? ;D
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pm sent ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
cge i will try to experiment muna. basta priority ko muna ang power amp. still looking pa for a nice power amp eh. panay sony lang ang nakikita ko. :(
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shrek7, bro pa PM naman kung saan ang store...thanks! ;D
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is it really worth it to try PS1? maganda ba talaga tumunog? may nakita kasi akong tindahan na merong PS1 for P1300, scph-1000 made in japan. mga limang units yung may ganitong serial. yung iba kasi eh, scph3000, scph3500, and scph5000. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D feedback naman mga sirs kung saan sya comparable. mas maganda pa kaya sya sa NAD525 na ginagamit ko ngayon? TIA
;D ;D ;D ::) ;D ;D ;D
sir syd theres no way that PS1 can be better than your NAD. I have tried listening to both. Apart from a significantly better SQ, ease of use and appearance and the prestige that comes with it, would always be and edge for the NAD ;) based on my impressions only though as this matter can alwasy be subjective
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I think that it is hard to compare with Sony and Philips on CDP technology. Apart from their pioneering work, you only have to look at their product line up to see how far they have moved forward. As such, we should not underestimate the Sony Playstation 1.
This is my opinion only ... I think the reason why many people liked the Playstation 1 for audio is because subjectively, it sounds very similar to the vinyl or analog sound which is very difficult to achieve in CD players.
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sana me magbenta diyan.... ::) kahit dalawa bibilin ko basta mura! ;) kelangan na itong masubukan.
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hi alihug,
please check the model number of your ps1. the model reviewed by stereophile and recommended for cdp use is model scph 1000. puede rin scph 1001-1002
was able to get a model scph 1001 from raon and luckily umaandar ang unit.
sir the model is scph-5503
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Ok yan, It's been discussed that the SCPH-55** series uses the same DAC as the SCPH-100* series.
And they say sounds exactly the same :)
Only thing missing in the 55** series is it has no RCA output just the standard PS A/V port.
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Mga sir, newbie here sa pinoydvd.
I just want to revive this thread again. Would like to ask sa mga well inclined about electronics kasi I want to modify yung SMPS ng PS1 ko. Meron ba diyan na pwede mag share ng diagram or pics na mga parts and the board kung saan yung mga papalitan and mga values nila. Thanks
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Sir,
You can try this link http://dogbreath.de/PS1/
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is it really worth it to try PS1? maganda ba talaga tumunog? may nakita kasi akong tindahan na merong PS1 for P1300, scph-1000 made in japan. mga limang units yung may ganitong serial. yung iba kasi eh, scph3000, scph3500, and scph5000. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D feedback naman mga sirs kung saan sya comparable. mas maganda pa kaya sya sa NAD525 na ginagamit ko ngayon? TIA
;D ;D ;D ::) ;D ;D ;D
Sir, pa PM din po nung store at location. Thanks! ;D
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Last night fellow member funk firm invited me to his place for an audio session.
He requested that I bring my Ps1 so that we could compare the SQ against brainf's modded Cayin CD player (forgot what model)
I was reluctant to bring it because I feared the Cayin CD player would blow it out of the water.
I bought my Ps1 from a junk/surplus shop behind GMA 7 for php500.
What would you expect from a php500 CD player?
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4052/5165550787_3af48033e5_z_d.jpg)
When I arrived it was apparent funk firm and brainf were excited to finally hear the Ps1.
After all connections were made we played the same material on both CD players at the same time.
The Cayin sounded great very detailed and crisp, when we switched to the Ps1 I noticed the Ps1's volume output was a few notches lower than the Cayin.
But only after a few seconds we concluded that the Ps1 was definitely very pleasant to the ears.
And it only got better the longer we listened to it.
Sabi nga ni funk firm "very analogue sounding"
At that moment I was very proud of my Ps1 ;D
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4145/5166150650_bc8d70e5a4_z_d.jpg)
Later on after about 30 minutes of basking in the beautiful Ps1 SQ I suggested that we compare it with the turntable.
Wowowee! I would say the Ps1 came 95% close to the turntable's sound character.
You can still hear the brush of the record and the record sounded a little bit more open.
But for php500 how can I complain.
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1428/5166148704_564004de01_z_d.jpg)
funk firm enjoyed the Ps1 very much that he didn't want me to take it home ;D
I came out very happy and satisfied after this session that I felt the need to take glamor shots of my Ps1. ::)
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Hi all,
Thank you Juancho for sharing your PS1 joys with us (and for the ride home - hehe!). I'll try filling in the blanks here - the Cayin used was modded CDT-15A (aftermarket 1ppm precision clock board, pair LM4562 buffer, matched pair EH 6922 tubes and Mundorf Mcaps). A-B comparison was done via a diy Pass B1 feeding Doc Endrik's Muse Power Amp and NHT speakers. (The back-end is very clean, dynamic, transparent and revealing but without sounding harsh or overly clinical). Doc and I had started earlier with an A-B with his modded Sony 337ESD (which is a stellar performer, btw) and the Cayin, so spent the latter part on PS1-Cayin, then PS1-Rega turntable. :)
Juancho is spot on with his descriptions and it was fun listening to the different presentations of the same material.
All in, an evening well spent!
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I can not get enough of the Sony Playstation 1. I now have 3 of them ... hehehe
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Thrilled with your PS1 Juancho! Kelan mo kame sasamahan sa surplus shop sa may Puregold Valenzuela to buy one? Your PS-1 is non-fatiguing to the ears. Thanks for letting us audition it. :)
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@brainf
thanks for filling in the blanks
@rascal
do save some for us
@funk firm
sure doc, kelan?
:)
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Sir,
You can try this link http://dogbreath.de/PS1/
@ Rascal,
Thanks for the link but the psu of Mick is different from mine. I have the spch5000.Are there other links that could teach me to replace some of the basic parts to upgrade the smps? I've been trying to look around but to no avail. I hope you could help me.
Thanks!
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@juancho,
Don't worry.
@ambut (Mark),
Pls txt me when you will be going to Spin Electronics.
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@ Rascal - okay will text you when I'll be in Spin. Sadly can't go this week cause I'm sick. Were you able to check The image I sent you? I'm not sure if we have the same PSU.
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Yes. I was able to check out the image you've sent.
I sent you an email just now. Pls check.
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sir rascal. anu po ba dapat ko palitan or ipagawa kasi i have a scph 1000 pero pag naka on sya wala lumalabas na sony playstation for the opening pero umiikot yung cd sa loob.. what you think po sa ganun problem?
tia! :)
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hi alihug,
please check the model number of your ps1. the model reviewed by stereophile and recommended for cdp use is model scph 1000. puede rin scph 1001-1002
was able to get a model scph 1001 from raon and luckily umaandar ang unit.
bookmarked ;)
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Same here, very nice info. ;D
Now, have to watch out for this whenever I go to flea market.. :o :o :o
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sir rascal. anu po ba dapat ko palitan or ipagawa kasi i have a scph 1000 pero pag naka on sya wala lumalabas na sony playstation for the opening pero umiikot yung cd sa loob.. what you think po sa ganun problem?
tia! :)
Bro, hindi ko pa na-encounter ang ganyang problema pero sa tingin ko parang hindi nag boot up properly. Hindi ako sure pero mukhang BIOS related. Sa Greenhills doon sa Virra Mall maraming magaling gumawa doon. Try mo.
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sir ang PS2 slim pwede for audiophile quality cdp??
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Iba po ang PS2. PS1 lang po specifically SCPH-100X.
Btw, na try ko na rin iyung SCPH-550X at kinumpara ko sa SCPH-100X, iba ang tunog.
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Iba po ang PS2. PS1 lang po specifically SCPH-100X.
Btw, na try ko na rin iyung SCPH-550X at kinumpara ko sa SCPH-100X, iba ang tunog.
salamat sir!
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hello guys, ps1 user also....any tried the suggested upgrades for the ps1? feed back naman mga sirs? ;) i tried replacing the 10uf capacitor with a mundorf supreme cap and it sounded even better...
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hello guys, ps1 user also....any tried the suggested upgrades for the ps1? feed back naman mga sirs? ;) i tried replacing the 10uf capacitor with a mundorf supreme cap and it sounded even better...
Mukhang mas mahal pa Caps mo kay sa PS1 player mo bro. ;D ;D ;D
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;D mismo....i took out the caps from an old diy pre-amp that im no longer using....worth it naman bro ;) improved depth and SQ....
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@AAUDIO
I have recently traded my scph 9 series with a 1001 seriers; did the bias and gain mod as per internet tutorial, ok ang SQ and any quality na cd basa na!
since yung power supply malapit sa eye i put somewhat shielding aluminum and drilled holes atop the small transformer pra madecipate agd ang heat...habang tagal gamit mas maganda tunog.
i wanted to upgrade it more so i was wondering where to purchase mundorf supreme cap? sir ? any pix how to replace parang dun sa bias n gain adjustment tuturial sa net na naka link sa topic na to?
can u pls post the mod u did sir with step by step direction?
TIA
@JUANCHO
Ive put my kenwoodldcd/pioneerdvd/sonydvd player at the backburner momentarily; wala sinabi sq nito sa PS1cdp, halos ktapat nia eh SACD or vinyl like....
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talagang nahihiwagahan nako sa PS1 na to. san pa kaya makakabili nito?
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Merun ako nakita kanina sa gilid ng quiapo overpass ng SCPH-1001 not to be sure... 1800Php bigay sakin.
Mas maganda talaga output sounds ng 100x series... ;)
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^sige makadalaw nga ng quiapo before holy week. kaso do i have to mod the PS1 to get good sound from it? di ako magaling sa ganitong mod mod
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@JUANCHO
Ive put my kenwoodldcd/pioneerdvd/sonydvd player at the backburner momentarily; wala sinabi sq nito sa PS1cdp, halos ktapat nia eh SACD or vinyl like....
Congrats bro john, maganda talaga tumunog ang Ps1 :)
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@warmaster
Yung mod purposes SA bias n gain adjustment nag purpose nun para ma accommodate lhat quality cd., as for sound quality improvement yup yung ini inquire ntin Kay AAUDIO replacing d caps to mundorf
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replaced the lens, got one at Deeco Raon for 500bucks.
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@AAUDIO
I have recently traded my scph 9 series with a 1001 seriers; did the bias and gain mod as per internet tutorial, ok ang SQ and any quality na cd basa na!
since yung power supply malapit sa eye i put somewhat shielding aluminum and drilled holes atop the small transformer pra madecipate agd ang heat...habang tagal gamit mas maganda tunog.
i wanted to upgrade it more so i was wondering where to purchase mundorf supreme cap? sir ? any pix how to replace parang dun sa bias n gain adjustment tuturial sa net na naka link sa topic na to?
can u pls post the mod u did sir with step by step direction?
TIA
@JUANCHO
Ive put my kenwoodldcd/pioneerdvd/sonydvd player at the backburner momentarily; wala sinabi sq nito sa PS1cdp, halos ktapat nia eh SACD or vinyl like....
hello sirs,
here is the link for the PSI output stage mod....http://www.dogbreath.de/PS1/output/output.html
the mundorf supreme cap is quite big to fit inside the PS1...im still looking for a replacement capacitor that will fit inside the player...
:)
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Due to the limited space, I believe your best bet is a monolithic capacitor. It is much better than the original electrolytic. Then parallel a small polypropelene capacitor (MKP series).
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thanks sir rascal,
yun ba ang ginamit mo sir? if yes, what capacitance value did you use? at the moment, am using 2.2 supreme mundorf.
thanks
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Sa Playstation ko naka surface mount ceramic capacitors ako. Parehas din ito sa monolithic capacitors (iyung monolithic kasi basically ceramic din siya). Hindi kasi available mga surface mount ceramic capacitors sa Maynila. Meron lang monolithic dun sa Quiapo - Amco Marketing sa G. Puyat. Bale 1uF pinakamalaki nila. Bale 2 na 1uF na naka parallel ang kailangan mo.
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thanks sir rascal ;)
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mga sir 4 digits ba ang model ng ps1 meron kase inalok sa kin yung workmate ko scph-102 ang model
which is 3 digits. paki feedback naman po mga sir regarding this matter.
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mga sir 4 digits ba ang model ng ps1 meron kase inalok sa kin yung workmate ko scph-102 ang model
which is 3 digits. paki feedback naman po mga sir regarding this matter.
hindi pala eto pwede coz this is the newer version na small size no a/v out.
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hindi pala eto pwede coz this is the newer version na small size no a/v out.
scph 1000 or 1001....yan sir ang ok for cdp use and yes i think yan yung white na play station player....try mo sir sa raon kung meron pa just stick with the scph 1000 or 1001 model...happy hunting
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Good day mga Sirs,
Pasensya na po, lurker lang ako dito sa PDVD but this topic got me really curious. May mga tanong lang po sana ako regarding PS.
1. Is the playstation's wonderful found due to it's DAC? The AKM 4309BM chip?
2. Can the lens/eye be replaced by those of CD-Rom drives', I mean, just the lens, not the whole assembly?
3. Can a 100v stock PSU be modded to accommodate 220v?
Reason of these questions is that I gambled in buying an SCPH-7000 and upon opening it, saw the AKM 4309BM DAC chip on it. The unit is "Made in Japan" and is running on 100v. Defective daw sabi nung binilhan kong pawnshop. I live far from Manila and therefore parts would be difficult to find and am considering salvaging lens from a CD-Rom drive. Are there any way that I can revive this PS, or is it worth reviving, anyway?
Thanks for your replies po mga Sirs. . .
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i suggest you better look for model scph 1000 or 1001 since balak mo na rin lang gastusan...this is the exact model that is recommended for cd audio use.
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mga sir ask ko lang pwede ba yung ps1 gawing audiophile CDP yung new model na maliit?na ka limutan
ko na kung anong model.salamat po....
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no. scph 1000 or 1001 lang ang "audiophile" quality
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thanks sir rasta try ko mag hanap sa mga repair shop....
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thanks sir rasta try ko mag hanap sa mga repair shop....
try mo sa raon, manila sir....just look for the recommended model ;)
happy hunting
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up lang natin...
just want to ask, if the 3.3uF 50volts electrolytic type that's being used in the 1st page (specifically the bigger cap) is still available? how much per piece?
thanks. :)
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up lang natin...
just want to ask, if the 3.3uF 50volts electrolytic type that's being used in the 1st page (specifically the bigger cap) is still available? how much per piece?
thanks. :)
available yan...bahala na ang butihin nating kaibigan sa sabado
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available yan...bahala na ang butihin nating kaibigan sa sabado
senks bro, hope makakuha ung kaibigan natin mabuti.....hehehe
::) ::) ::).......inisprayan ko na temporarily ung cover ng ps1 ng itim...still thinking what design for the casing...dami magaganda sa net eh....nakakalito...
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up for this thread.
i wnet to my older brother's room
and i found his ps1 wrap in plastic and in very good condition.
but, the model of these player is 1000
same lang ba sila sa ibang model?
i will try to hooked up tonight to my DSP-A1.
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up for this thread.
i wnet to my older brother's room
and i found his ps1 wrap in plastic and in very good condition.
but, the model of these player is 1000
same lang ba sila sa ibang model?
i will try to hooked up tonight to my DSP-A1.
it's better if it has this connectors (A/V) at the back....
(http://www.rareps1games.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/-232131506409672011.jpg)
:)
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Yes. Only the PS1 SCPH-1000 and SCPH-1001 has these RCA jacks.
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Sir, confirm po ba talaga based from your experience the sound quality of these specific ps1 units?
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Depende na lang po sa nakikinig. Iba iba kasi pandinig ng iba't ibang tao.
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Depende na lang po sa nakikinig. Iba iba kasi pandinig ng iba't ibang tao.
+2 ;D
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Pwede kayang transport ito, meron ba option for digital out?
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I don't think that the Playstation 1 model SCPH-1000 and 1001 has a digital out.
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painform naman mga sir pag meron kayo makita sa mga surplusan.wala ako makita around qc.
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Last night fellow member funk firm invited me to his place for an audio session.
He requested that I bring my Ps1 so that we could compare the SQ against brainf's modded Cayin CD player (forgot what model)
I was reluctant to bring it because I feared the Cayin CD player would blow it out of the water.
I bought my Ps1 from a junk/surplus shop behind GMA 7 for php500.
What would you expect from a php500 CD player?
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4052/5165550787_3af48033e5_z_d.jpg)
When I arrived it was apparent funk firm and brainf were excited to finally hear the Ps1.
After all connections were made we played the same material on both CD players at the same time.
The Cayin sounded great very detailed and crisp, when we switched to the Ps1 I noticed the Ps1's volume output was a few notches lower than the Cayin.
But only after a few seconds we concluded that the Ps1 was definitely very pleasant to the ears.
And it only got better the longer we listened to it.
Sabi nga ni funk firm "very analogue sounding"
At that moment I was very proud of my Ps1 ;D
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4145/5166150650_bc8d70e5a4_z_d.jpg)
Later on after about 30 minutes of basking in the beautiful Ps1 SQ I suggested that we compare it with the turntable.
Wowowee! I would say the Ps1 came 95% close to the turntable's sound character.
You can still hear the brush of the record and the record sounded a little bit more open.
But for php500 how can I complain.
(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1428/5166148704_564004de01_z_d.jpg)
funk firm enjoyed the Ps1 very much that he didn't want me to take it home ;D
I came out very happy and satisfied after this session that I felt the need to take glamor shots of my Ps1. ::)
puede pong makita yung connection sa likod? s-cart cable lang kasi ang gamit ko...puede ba yung 3.5mm to rca cable?
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Your thoughts on this? What makes it sound so great?
Playstation One As Audiophile CD Players:
http://www.stereophile.com/cdplayers/708play/#Uvc1oD7zeygXVSOW.97
http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/leben2/system_3.html
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-fl8OP5oPl8/maxresdefault.jpg)
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Optimized PCB layout and design perhaps coupled with the AKM D/A chip?
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I believe that the necessary circuits were used on the Sony Playstation 1 to achieve very good sound quality. There was no cutting corners.
After doing modification on my Sony CDP M11 (entry level CDP) http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,43433.0.html (http://www.pinoydvd.com/index.php/topic,43433.0.html), I am convinced that using application notes and recommended circuit for the specific D/A converter used in your really does wonders to the sound quality. It is not enough to simply replace capacitors to better ones but to understand each circuit block so that the appropriate circuit or components can be added.
In this modification, I replaced the output circuit used by the Sony CXD2552BQ D/A chip on this CDP - the 2 pcs daughter boards on top of the picture to the right of the transformer. The original output circuit used by the CDP is much more simplified one and does not really achieve the sound quality I had in mind.
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d87/rascal101/top_tilt_view3.jpg) (http://s33.photobucket.com/user/rascal101/media/top_tilt_view3.jpg.html)
If the modification was simply replacing capacitors I believe I would not have achieved a very good sound quality level.