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DVD Forum => DVD-ROM & DVD Backup => Topic started by: Haywire on Apr 21, 2006 at 08:21 AM
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mga sir 2 klase po ba ang blank dual layer DVD disc DVD+R and DVD-R? nag try kasi ako mag burn sa DVD+R dual layer ayaw mag play sa DVD player no disc pero sa computer nag play sya ano po kaya dahilan? ???
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normaly ang dual layer ang size nya ay 8.5g. halos lahat ng original dvd's with dts ay dual layer na.and dapat ang dvd player mo ay multi formato high format na. make sure kung anong format ang naburn mo. yung iba kasi kapag nagburn at dvdr +- ay laging parang data.try to use muna ng dvdr na 4.7 g
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Tnx maybe i need to change the booktype ;D
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saan nakakabili ng dual layer dvd+r/dvd-r media dito sa pinas? at magkano price range niya? nagtanong kasi ako sa cdr king quiapo, the saleslady just gave me a blank stare
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saan nakakabili ng dual layer dvd+r/dvd-r media dito sa pinas? at magkano price range niya? nagtanong kasi ako sa cdr king quiapo, the saleslady just gave me a blank stare
that's weird ... cause i know they sell 2 kinds of dual layer dvd+Rs... RiData (200pesos) and Imation (300pesos... or was it 350? ahhh... i forgot. lol).
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that's weird ... cause i know they sell 2 kinds of dual layer dvd+Rs... RiData (200pesos) and Imation (300pesos... or was it 350? ahhh... i forgot. lol).
i think its 350, still expensive...
i'd rather split my movies into two dvd5 than buy an expensive dvd9...
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Many new players can read DVD+R, and many new burners can now handle dual layer. I bought RiData and TDK DVD+R for around P200 (you can get cheaper brands and prices, around 120 pesos or so), burned using a Sony DVD-RW, and the disks played correctly on a Nextbase.
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san ka nakabili?
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Stores that specialize in selling blank CDs and DVDs usually have them.
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In greenhills di ko lang maremember yung name ng store i was able to buy a Verbatim DVD+R DL for only P250.
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Pwede nyo naman compress and DVD 9 to DVD 5 hindi masyado halata ang quality ny picture.
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I saw today a CD-R King DVD+R dual layer at CD-R King V-Mall for P50.00. I bought one to test it on my dvd-writer, although I still have to actually to backup a dual layer DVD disc on it. So far, DVD Decrypter reports that the disc has a media ID of CMC MAGD01 and is indeed dual layer while the supported write speed is 2.4x. According to the digitalFAQ.com video guide, the media is categorized as 3rd class media (meaning, quality can be questionable, about 50-60% success rate).
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I got interested when I saw it's in P50 price. Thanks for quoting the success rate of this media. It helped me to make a decision. :)
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Since, it only carried an affordable (usual price is 120Php/180Php) 50Php price, I decided to get 10 discs at the CDR-King in Gilmore, and 8 of my burns with those 7.9G and 8.1G ISO that I downloaded were successfully burned with my BenQ burner P4 1.6/ASUS MB/Ge Force 3500 using Nero 6, however, I am not sure about the Liteon SOHW-1693S since the Hellboy-Sword Of Storms(Animated)7.85 G ISO that I burned with my Liteon on my P4 3.0 DualCore/MSI MB/GEForce 6 series utilizing Nero OEM went on to burn the disc at 4X speed and when I looked at the data surface, it burned itself with 2 overt layers, however, it played OK with my Pioneer 696AVS, but seemingly was unable to navigate the layer change with my old reliable Nextbase(I've not tried this with my Xtreme/Philips).
The other coasters was mainly due to my fault since I tested the speed capability on my Liteon(again) using only the Nero OEM, and I didn't know that it did burn the disc, making it unusable, resulting to a 100 pesos worth of research. :'(
For info to those interested. ;)
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Warning:
I got another batch of the generic Dual Layer DVDs and this time they took a new tube out at the CDR King inside the Gilmore IT center, and 2 failed to burn indicating a possible batch defect, hence, I returned the 8 remaining discs and exchanged them for a 512 mb flash disc.
For info to those interested. :-\
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Before I read alfie's most recent post, I bought three more dual layer DVDs from CDR-King to add to the one disc I bought previously. It is just today that I was able to test a disc. So far, with this one disc, the burn was successful. I just don't know until when this disc's reliability will last. I used Nero Express 6 and LG DVD-Writer GSA-H10N for this burn.
By the way, it's just now that I noticed that the disc's label says 'DAUL LAYER'! Ang laki na nga font na ginamit nila, and yet they missed the wrong spelling. They must have the same proofreader as Viva! ???
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Don't forget to check the "verify" box. Sometimes, a successful burn can still contain data errors.
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I found some great DL generics: ILLUSION DVD+R DL, 8X. Made by MKM (Mitsubishi Kagaku Media), the manufacturer for Verbatim.
Data from Nero CD-DVD Speed 4.7.5.0 (Disc Info Tab), using Samsung DVD writer SH-S202N:
Disc Type DVD+R DL
Manufacturer Verbatim
MID MKM 003 000 (00h)
Write Speeds 4X - 6X - 8X - 10X
P50 each from Datamax at Greenhills V-Mall 3rd Floor.
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I found some great DL generics: ILLUSION DVD+R DL, 8X. Made by MKM (Mitsubishi Kagaku Media), the manufacturer for Verbatim.
Data from Nero CD-DVD Speed 4.7.5.0 (Disc Info Tab), using Samsung DVD writer SH-S202N:
Disc Type DVD+R DL
Manufacturer Verbatim
MID MKM 003 000 (00h)
Write Speeds 4X - 6X - 8X - 10X
P50 each from Datamax at Greenhills V-Mall 3rd Floor.
Can you check the inner hub code and the outer hub code as to what's written there? I have seen these discs you are talking about at the same store you are referring to. The codes in the inner/outer hub will prove the authenticity of this media as Mitsubishi-made. There are a lot of manufacturers that mimic the Media ID of other companies for compatibility with burners but are actually less reliable than the real media itself. If it is indeed real MCC/MKM media, then it's most probably B-grade MCC/MKM coming from the factory as only Verbatim/Mitsubishi-branded MCC/MKM-coded media are A-grade.
The Illusion brand is known for "faking" MCC/MKM media codes - that's why I stay away from these. Non-Verbatim/Mitsubishi MCC/MKM discs are for sure to be of lower quality and less reliable than those of the aforementioned brands - if they're not fake, that is.
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I found some great DL generics: ILLUSION DVD+R DL, 8X. Made by MKM (Mitsubishi Kagaku Media), the manufacturer for Verbatim.
Data from Nero CD-DVD Speed 4.7.5.0 (Disc Info Tab), using Samsung DVD writer SH-S202N:
Disc Type DVD+R DL
Manufacturer Verbatim
MID MKM 003 000 (00h)
Write Speeds 4X - 6X - 8X - 10X
P50 each from Datamax at Greenhills V-Mall 3rd Floor.
He-He...Barrister...sa Quiapo ang source niyan'.....kuha ko sa muslim suki ko ay 30 pesos/disc kasama ang libreng casing for 10 discs.....sa Norzagaray St. iyan......maraming natira, kunti lang ang may gusto nang DL, kasi mura pa rin mag-isplit, sa 2 disc single layer, pero ako sa DL disc game ko siya ginagamit......na-ku-corrupt kasi kung na-isplit iyun' data eh.
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Can you check the inner hub code and the outer hub code as to what's written there? I have seen these discs you are talking about at the same store you are referring to. The codes in the inner/outer hub will prove the authenticity of this media as Mitsubishi-made. There are a lot of manufacturers that mimic the Media ID of other companies for compatibility with burners but are actually less reliable than the real media itself. If it is indeed real MCC/MKM media, then it's most probably B-grade MCC/MKM coming from the factory as only Verbatim/Mitsubishi-branded MCC/MKM-coded media are A-grade.
The Illusion brand is known for "faking" MCC/MKM media codes - that's why I stay away from these. Non-Verbatim/Mitsubishi MCC/MKM discs are for sure to be of lower quality and less reliable than those of the aforementioned brands - if they're not fake, that is.
So far no coaster for me, I have consumed 10 discs.....burned for PC games, Data and of course DVD backup of favored movies,wherein the bargain cost is 199 pesos, whereas Illusion only costs 30-35 pesos in Quiapo....and I assure you you'll label them B-grade.
From my experience, a good reliable burn is affected primarily by;
1) Burner itself for e.g. Pioneer burners are more reliable than LG
2) Burning software for e.g. ImageBurn vs. DVD Decrypter Vs. Nero version 6 vs version 7 vs. version 8
3) Disc media
4) lastly....the data...since at times, you'd think it's the media, however, the decryption to ISO was faulty(that's why, I always go to the 2 step file decryption then Iso build practice).
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Reliability, consistency, and compatibility are the three key aspects needed for "backups" - a disc that will be unreadable after a year containing important data is not worth the extra savings in my opinion. Although if you're only going to use these discs for burning "downloaded pirata" games, and along the same lines, dual-layer movies then it's perfectly suited for that. Data that needs to be read in 2 years or more - save up and get the reliable quality discs. For what it's worth DL discs are still not as reliable in terms of longevity as compared to SL discs.
The actual quality of a burn is primarily affected not by the burner alone, but also by the combination of the writer with the media. Although I'd also say that the Pioneer is a very good burner, you'd be surprised by how new LG writers burn any type of disc well (from the most expensive to even the cheapest ones burn beautifully!), while the Pioneer is picky and refuses to read badly-treated media. New (and cheap) Samsungs are phenomenal too - and this comes from a former Plextor/Pioneer hardcore fan. I've never had issues with the software - as long as your hardware can deal with the sustained transfer rates then everything'll be peachy - although ImgBurn is well-known to deal well with layer break issues, and is highly recommended for DL media.
Since this forum is primarily focused on DVD "backup", I recommended not using any fake/cheap/low-quality media (and stick to SL instead of DL, with ECC-redundancy) for data you intend to keep. Using it for games (which usually "get old" after playing it for a year) or that popular movie you missed in the cinemas (and actually isn't worth keeping) is actually acceptable, but not for critical data. I've been burned too many times (get it? ;)) from using cheap media for those important stuff only to find out years later (started writing CDs in 1998, DVDs in 2001) that my supposed "backups" cannot be read.
A word of advice: you get what you pay for. :)
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A word of advice: you get what you pay for
Not True...a common misconception;
As long as you know what you're doing. ;)
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I used those disc (Illusion DL), no codes on disc itself, MD0002 lang ang nakasulat sa disc. Most probably kinopya lang nga sa Mitsubishi. I got around two coasters (out of @20), but that is way better than what I got with CDRKing Vine DL (3 out of 4 yata - write failed, and layerbreak not changeable according to ImgBurn).
Datamax ko rin binili. I also tried their ProData DL brand (also as reliable) but 2.4x lang write, so matagal... They also have a cheap one na generic (28 each), but I dare not touch those. Gusto ko lang sa Datamax, walang pila, unlike CDR-King, na ubos maghapon mo just to get a couple of discs...
BTW, I use these as pangbackup sa expensive/rare orig DVD na I really like. I don't know how they will fare with other types of media (ie Divx, MKV, data files), so your mileage may vary...
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I've been burned too many times (get it? ) from using cheap media for those important stuff only to find out years later (started writing CDs in 1998, DVDs in 2001) that my supposed "backups" cannot be read.
WOW :o
Really ???
P4 had a debut in 2000, the 1.4 cost around $400
People were still paying a huge sum for a P3 CPU.
DVD-ROM was still expensive but available in 2001
PinoyDVD started back in 2001.
DVD decrypter was initially released back in 2003...Macrovision was able to shut it down 2005.
DVD writers became commercially available in 2004,and most of the discussions started in 2005.
So if...you're burning DVDs quite ahead than some of the professional video editors here, then, that explains why..."you've been burned many times"...... one member I know, was still into VCDs back in 2005. :P
Anyway.....the thread is just to inform members of the availability of dual layered discs,and my response is only to attest that the Illusion brand is just as capable. :P
I cannot at this time confirm that the there will be no DVD rot after 2 years, since my Original Superman DVD 18G dual sided Warner release which I bought for a premium price was the very 1st one to suffer from a DVD rot, so seemingly it can happen wheter the DVD media you bought is expensive and branded or not. ;)
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Thanks for your inputs! I had no idea that media IDs are being faked.
Until I read your posts, I never bothered doing a physical comparison of the discs, since I thought a media ID check was sufficient.
Comparing the Illusion with my Verbatim, here are the differences I noticed:
- The hub codes are different;
- The dye colors are different -- Verbatim is redder; Illusion is bluer; and
- The inner edge of the dye is smooth on the Verbatim, wavy on the Illusion.
On a side-by-side physical check, the Illusion definitely looks like a fake MKM. Ang masasabi ko lang ay bagay na bagay pala ang pangalang "Illusion" :P
If it is indeed real MCC/MKM media, then it's most probably B-grade MCC/MKM coming from the factory as only Verbatim/Mitsubishi-branded MCC/MKM-coded media are A-grade.
I don't get it. Why would Mitsubishi make A-grade and B-grade discs with the same MKM 003 ID? If they don't use a different ID for the B-grade disc, doesn't that defeat the very purpose of using a media ID?
Tama si sir evo69. A successful burn is not good enough if the disc will quickly become unreadable.
That's what I said in 2006 when more members were more interested in low price than quality:
Always use high quality discs kahit mahal. Otherwise, nonsense ang pag back-up kung masisira din agad.
;)
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Just curious, how much is the price range of good quality DVD-R in the Philippines right now?
The only 2 brands clearly marked "Made in Japan" (in Japan) are those made by Taiyo Yuden and TDK, and the cheapest price is about 17 pesos per disk. Even though Taiyo Yuden is recognized in Japan as the most premier DVD-R mare, I prefer TDK because Taiyo Yuden's brand sounds corny (THATS). ;D
Last time I bought Mitsubishi Chemicals' DL disks (made in Singapore), I had to shell out about 160 pesos per disk kaya I still dont back-up with DL disks.
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The only 2 brands clearly marked "Made in Japan" (in Japan) are those made by Taiyo Yuden and TDK, and the cheapest price is about 17 pesos per disk. Even though Taiyo Yuden is recognized in Japan as the most premier DVD-R mare, I prefer TDK because Taiyo Yuden's brand sounds corny (THATS).
Wow....Naka-kaingit ka naman talaga. ;)
Prices in Quiapo:
Cheapest DL is 35/piece, 30/10 pieces and up (starting price of 40 pesos, pero pag sinabi mon'g "si CDR King eh' ganito...", price goes low)
Cheapest Single layer is 5.50/100 pieces for Taiyo Yuden "Kuno' siguro or rejects"
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The only 2 brands clearly marked "Made in Japan" (in Japan) are those made by Taiyo Yuden and TDK, and the cheapest price is about 17 pesos per disk. Even though Taiyo Yuden is recognized in Japan as the most premier DVD-R mare, I prefer TDK because Taiyo Yuden's brand sounds corny (THATS). ;D
In the Philippiines, the high-quality discs are Verbatim and Imation. I think they're all Taiwan-made.
Experienced users still say Taiyo Yuden is the best, but it's hard to find here; besides, they say that new Verbatims have even better standalone compatibility than Taiyo-Yuden.
So in the Philippines, Verbatim (MCC and MKM) is regarded as the best; Imation (CMC Mag and MKM) is second-best. Hindi sikat ang TDK dito.
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WOW :o
Really ???
P4 had a debut in 2000, the 1.4 cost around $400
People were still paying a huge sum for a P3 CPU.
DVD-ROM was still expensive but available in 2001
PinoyDVD started back in 2001.
DVD decrypter was initially released back in 2003...Macrovision was able to shut it down 2005.
DVD writers became commercially available in 2004,and most of the discussions started in 2005.
So if...you're burning DVDs quite ahead than some of the professional video editors here, then, that explains why..."you've been burned many times"...... one member I know, was still into VCDs back in 2005. :P
Anyway.....the thread is just to inform members of the availability of dual layered discs,and my response is only to attest that the Illusion brand is just as capable. :P
I cannot at this time confirm that the there will be no DVD rot after 2 years, since my Original Superman DVD 18G dual sided Warner release which I bought for a premium price was the very 1st one to suffer from a DVD rot, so seemingly it can happen wheter the DVD media you bought is expensive and branded or not. ;)
I used my Tito's Yamaha CD-writer while in senior year high school (SCSI man! Those were really bulky and slow!). He was a professional recording engineer, and recorded his own piano music at home. I used it to burn my very first VCDs (high school short film) and music cd compilations (I stole a few 550MB from his stash <- hell yeah 550MB TDK CD-R discs! About 60mins!) And yes those dates are real and not "invented"/"illusioned". :)
The office/studio I worked at had a G4 Quicksilver with a Pioneer A03 Superdrive, 2x DVD-R only. That was late 2001. And yes, I am a professional and I specialize in post-production and DVD design. Even though it wasn't my own I took care of that baby, and I loved the idea of burning DVD-Videos for clients. I also used it to burn my own and a director-friend's startup demo reels, and it really helped in getting quite a few jobs. We used Apple-branded MCC00RG20 (Verbatim DVD-R 2x Made in Singapore) and was our main workhorse until I got my own G4 Quicksilver (refurbished with a Pioneer A04) mid-2002. PCs were behind surely in the DVD burning department, but I got Macs so there. :P Too bad you PC guys only had DVD burners much later only by 2004, but I digress.
Macrovision wasn't essential for creating your own DVDs. I wasn't talking about duplicating pressed DVDs, but on creating my own - so the Macrovision issue is moot.
Pressed DVDs actually have varying qualities, and sometimes even burned SL DVDs have better optical qualities than some pressed discs (I stress "some"). I have DVDs from 2003 that are still readable (Apple-branded MCC01RG20) though I've already disposed of my older discs as they have been reburned onto newer, more "stable" discs. These are a combination of MCC03RG20 for videos (Verbatim 16x DVD-R) or MCC004 for data (Verbatim 16x DVD+R) along with a duplicate on HP-branded CMC MAG M01 (16x DVD+R) with ECC (error code correction) added. I wanted to use premium 8x Taiyo Yudens although wala akong makuhanan (for now). I'll know by 2012 (5 years from backup - I did it in 2007) if my kapraningan works. ;D And I store my discs vertically, with dehumidifiers (aka. silica gel :P), away from light. Love of work + love of data/backups + love of burning = lots of burned discs. 8)
Thanks for your inputs! I had no idea that media IDs are being faked.
Until I read your posts, I never bothered doing a physical comparison of the discs, since I thought a media ID check was sufficient.
Comparing the Illusion with my Verbatim, here are the differences I noticed:
- The hub codes are different;
- The dye colors are different -- Verbatim is redder; Illusion is bluer; and
- The inner edge of the dye is smooth on the Verbatim, wavy on the Illusion.
On a side-by-side physical check, the Illusion definitely looks like a fake MKM. Ang masasabi ko lang ay bagay na bagay pala ang pangalang "Illusion" :P
I don't get it. Why would Mitsubishi make A-grade and B-grade discs with the same MKM 003 ID? If they don't use a different ID for the B-grade disc, doesn't that defeat the very purpose of using a media ID?
Tama si sir evo69. A successful burn is not good enough if the disc will quickly become unreadable.
That's what I said in 2006 when more members were more interested in low price than quality:
;)
All discs aren't made equal. They also vary depending on location (Taiwan/India/Japan/China/Mexico/various locations in Europe/Malaysia/Thailand - some that I remember) and depending on manufacturing plant (Verbatim has 4 manufacturers making discs using Mitsubishi Technology - CMC Taiwan (Plants A, 6, and 7), Prodisc, Moser Baer India, and Taiyo Yuden). From these there are varying grades that are sold to different "brands". Buying Verbatim or Mitsubishi-branded discs will ensure that you will get A-grade MCC media, and other brands are sold the lower quality batches. For example CMC MAG M01 can be found under imation, Philips, HP, TDK, Maxell, Memorex, and other unknown brands. CMC MAG AM3 is also used by many manufacturers. Buying a known "good" brand will somewhat give you a better chance of getting quality media - HP-branded discs are more reliable in the burning department than imation. Brands do not make their own discs - except for Verbatim (supplies its own technology to disc manufacturers) and Taiyo Yuden (which makes their own media in Japan only). Media Codes (MID) can be faked by a DVD pre-writer from the "faker's" plant to make sure it has "some" compatibility with a burner using another well-supported code, but does not ensure its quality and reliability. The "stamped" codes (inner hub and outer hub) of the DVD cannot be faked as these come from the machine itself, and properly identifies the maker/type of DVD manufacturing equipment used. Verbatim has a universal outer hub code for a disc series, while the stampers for the polycarbonate on the inner hub are almost like signatures for the plant's equipment (PAPA/PAP6/PAP7 for DVD+R or MAPA/MAP6/MAP7 for DVD-R - CMC Taiwan, xxxxxxxx-xxxxxxxx or xxxxxxxx+xxxxxxxx for DVD-R or DVD+R respectively - Prodisc Taiwan). Knowing these will certainly help in the decision of buying discs, that which I am addicted to (have around 1700 blanks - so I know what I'm buying).
For what it's worth, buying Made in Japan Verbatims will get you real Taiyo Yudens - although these are considered to be B-grade TY discs. Funny, ain't it? But still, they're Taiyo Yudens! :) A- or B-grade doesn't matter as much with TY blanks as with other lesser-quality media. ;D
Just curious, how much is the price range of good quality DVD-R in the Philippines right now?
The only 2 brands clearly marked "Made in Japan" (in Japan) are those made by Taiyo Yuden and TDK, and the cheapest price is about 17 pesos per disk. Even though Taiyo Yuden is recognized in Japan as the most premier DVD-R mare, I prefer TDK because Taiyo Yuden's brand sounds corny (THATS). ;D
Last time I bought Mitsubishi Chemicals' DL disks (made in Singapore), I had to shell out about 160 pesos per disk kaya I still dont back-up with DL disks.
Taiyo Yuden are only Made in Japan, any other that claims it is TY but not Made in Japan is clearly fake. "That's Write" is TY's in-house brand marketed by That's Fukushima, Japan. Other well-known TY are Panasonic 16x DVD-R and Fujifilm DVD-/+R (only 8x and Made in Japan, Fuji has moved to using other manufacturers for 16x discs). If you buy it online you'll pay around 17-19 pesos per single-layer disc (without shipping though!). Taiyo Yuden supposedly made DVD-R DL discs (TYG11) pero wala akong makita anywhere, they're primarily on the SL disc-making business lang ata. TDK also made its own in-house "dye" but quickly used other dyes only recently - so be wary of TDK blanks, not all are TY/TDK (not Made in Japan is the obvious 'hint'). Discs from Verbatim's Singapore plant are only DL (MKM001 2.4x/MKM003 8x) due to production limitations (size, maliit lang Singapore and mahal ang lote! ;)) - which explains why they outsource to CMC Taiwan (probably the world's biggest manufacturer of optical discs). Due to DL being a relatively "new" optical disc technology, SL pa rin ang recommended dahil "subok" na (and they're a hella lot cheaper noh!).
In the Philippiines, the high-quality discs are Verbatim and Imation. I think they're all Taiwan-made.
Experienced users still say Taiyo Yuden is the best, but it's hard to find here; besides, they say that new Verbatims have even better standalone compatibility than Taiyo-Yuden.
So in the Philippines, Verbatim (MCC and MKM) is regarded as the best; Imation (CMC Mag and MKM) is second-best. Hindi sikat ang TDK dito.
Verbatim, I agree. imation... hindi masyado. They use a lot of different disc-manufacturers and are variable quality. imation only designs their discs and doesn't manufacture them, and they don't get A-grade discs like HP or Maxell from CMC Taiwan. On the compatbility aspect - yes, Verbatims are more compatible than Taiyo Yudens (mas maganda lang ang basic disc characteristics ng Taiyo Yuden kesa Verbatim pero Verbatim dyes/polycarbonate/reflective layers are designed to be more compatible with standalone devices, Taiyo Yuden are more "reliable" and stable sa disc longevity). On imation using MKM (MCC code is for SL, MKM is for DL), 2.4x lang yun and gumagamit din sila ng RICOHJPND00 (maganda Ricoh in my experience, I like their single-layer RICOHJPN03 16x DVD+R) code sa 2.4x nila na DL so it's not a sure thing na you'll get MKM when you buy imation 2.4x 8.5GB DVD+R DL. Yung 8x naman nila gumagamit ng Ritek - [rant] I don't trust Ritek DVDs (pero maganda CDs nila) lalo na yung ARITA 8X 4.7GB DVD-R (Ritek G05) na binebenta sa CD-R King. Good luck kung aabot ng a few months or even a year - meron iba a few weeks lang di na readable. (Sorry - [/rant])
Sooo... Verbatim ensures that you get quality Verbatim-technology media (buying Mitsubishi is the same, mas kilala lang ang Verbatim sa US and EU) and not unlike other discs na hindi ka sigurado kung ano makukuha mo. Taiyo Yuden is the same deal, that is, if you can find some authentic ones. Buying other brands (lalo na imation - Prodisc, MBI, Ritek, CMC, Fuji, Optodisc, Ricoh... at kung ano pang dye/manufacturer/ekek!) is like playing lotto - di mo alam kung panalo ka hehehe. So if you're a CD-R King guy (or makakahanap ng place na pwede yung "tingi" sa DVD), buy two each of the branded ones and try them out on your drives and standalones. Use DVD Identifier para at least alam mo kung ano yung disc. When unsure, go to Videohelp's DVD Media Database (http://www.videohelp.com/dvdmedia) to check disc infos. Marami ding ibang forums online that specialize on blank media, like CDFreaks or CDRLabs (actually marami pang iba, Google is your friend (http://www.google.com)).
I hope this helps, di nagpapalaki ng ulo, pero I know what I'm saying kasi I invest in blank DVDs, and dahil kuripot ako, I get the best bang for my buck. Kung may makikita kayong guy sa mga CD-R King or sa mga other bentahans ng blank optical media na matagal nagiisip (dahil kuripot nga at ayaw magsayang ng pera) at maraming hinahakot (yung umaabot ng libulibong gastos pang DVD/CD lang), ako na iyon. ;)
Signed,
evo69 (adik sa dibidi at sidi, kolektor at tagaubos ng quality media) :D
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Lupit ng post mo master evo69.
Ako din may DVD+RW since 2001. Toshiba ang brand. 18K pa ang bili ko sa taiwan. Yund blank dvd+r nun
ay 200 pesos pa. Ridata ang brand. Yung mga back-up disc ko ngayon halos 60% na lang ang nari-read.
Thanks sa post mo. Breakthrough ito...
;D ;D ;D
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Hehe wala lang akong ginagawa ngayon eh, so feel kong magtype ng mahaba. Na-carpal tunnel ata ako sa haba sorry. ;D
Gusto ko lang malinawan ang mga tao na komplikado actually ang pagpipili sa mga blank DVD, single or dual layer man. Akala ko din dati na ginagawa talaga nung mga kompanya sarili nilang discs. Yun pala oonti lang talaga gumagawa, meron pang outsourcing at kung ano pa.
I also believe people should know what they're buying, kahit na maunahan at maubusan nila ako nung mga magagandang discs (pasabi nalang sa akin kung saan at magtira kayo!) ;D ;D ;D
Bawat linggo ako bumibili ng discs, sobrang adik na talaga. Hanggang di ako makakahanap ng supplier/importer ng That's Write/Panasonic/TY discs dito sa Pinas lagi kong tatahakin ang mga lansangan sa kakahanap ng may stock pa ng Verbatim o Mitsubishi para di ako maubusan. Mas mahal pa gastos ko sa discs kesa sa damit o pagkain! Watdapak! :p
I need to join something like "mediaholics anonymous". Seriously. :-[
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Evo69, why do you need thousands of blank disks nga ba? :) You're not into piracy business right? ;D ;D ;D
I use hundreds of TDKs and Thats for high def back-ups, digital photo back-ups and home video back-ups.
Which has the potential to last longer - Back-up on a high quality DVD-R or hard disk drive back-up?
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Hehe if I was in the piracy business I'd be pressing/replicating my own discs :) Much cheaper that way ;) But I don't want to invest in something like that - too expensive for short runs for clients.
And collecting and using quality media for me is somewhat of a hobby, an addiction. I don't ever want to run out of blank media! :D
I do post-production and shoot live performances, music videos, and the occasional "kaibigan" projects - like transfers of old video documentaries to DVD, stuff like that. I also do short runs of CD albums for the slaving and non-abot-kaya "kakilalas" - actually anything I could dabble into. I like choosing my own projects, I hate "the man" and corporate desk jobs. ;) And burning the project files (and using multiple discs) makes the consumption worse.
You use hundreds of TDKs and That's? (8x TDK and 16x That's?) Care to tell me where you get such great media? (You can PM me if you want to keep it a secret lol) :D I have a half-empty spindle of TDK (16x CMC Taiwan though) and found a retailer of 16x That's Write (I prefer the 8x TY though) but overly overpriced (90-120 per disc! In slim jewel cases).
As for optical vs magnetic backups, I'd choose magnetic (HDD, tape). Although the costs are higher for magnetic due to the "storage equipment" for tape, and while hard disk drives are actually getting cheaper (by the minute), they'll only be truly safe if you store them properly. Pero if you use a hard drive backup, if you're not going to use it after backing up (and only for backing up), mas matibay siya theoretically and robust, lalo na pag may hardware RAID-1/5 like some high-end external enclosures. Ako I opted for the optical (DVD) backup plan kasi it's actually cheaper for smaller files (project and/or documents) and I could put ECC (error code correction) sa discs and add redundancy using multiple discs without incurring a hefty investment - kung kelan lang need gumastos. From experience kasi yung mga internal HDDs di ka talaga sure kung kelan mamamatay kahit may UPS or line conditioner ka lalo na pag laging tinatakbo. So dun ako sa ikkeep ko lang and read when needed. Footage are on miniDV/DV/DigiBeta tape naman and it's easy to duplicate and split P2/XDCAM/whatever digital storages on DVD, so DVD backups work for me. Multipurpose pa, di lang for storing, pwede rin for duplication of many copies for a client, personal use, and whatever I could think of (coasters!).
Cost per GB/MB - better ang HDD. Storage conditions - advantage ang DVD basta walang ilaw, kahit may magnetic interference (same other requirements as HDD - humidity, temperature). Flexibility - depende: small files, DVD; big files, obviously HDD. Compatibility - almost the same (DVD=HDD). Reliability - depends on media/HDD. Consistency - no assurance! (that's why I do double backups)
I also use external HDD backups for some projects that I know will need constant access to, pero I normally reduce the clutter to the essential data to be backed up and transfer it to DVD. I don't have the capital to invest in a lot of external HDDs and do redundancy on multiple units, so basically I use what works best for me depending on the situation. :)
Personally, I have double backups with ECC of personal data and home photos/videos on DVDs. If it's something I use everyday I burn one on cheaperbut decent media and have duplicates specifically for storage. I don't touch those in storage until my "work/constant access" disc gets unreadable. ;)
Potentially - HDD can last longer. I still have a 500MB internal HDD (40 conductor, 1-word lang yung company na parang pangalan ng tao) na gumagana (stashed somewhere) na circa 1990s, and a few WD Caviars and Seagate drives (all 4GB or less) na gumagana pa. DVDs can easily be crushed and destroyed with overexposure to light.
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Thanks Evo69. Im based in Tokyo kaya I have ready access to Made in Japan TDK and Thats (8x and 16x whatever is on sale). At first, I used to buy disks with individual cases but the price merit of those in spindles of 50s is so significant, and then when you reach the hundreds, the storage space requirements of cases is too much, not to mention it's time consuming to sort through the identically dull cases when you want a particular disk. Now I just keep burned DVD-Rs in some cutesy Elecom designed rectangular block shaped DVD holders that my wife chose, nicely filed vertically next to each other in the PC room. Then I use external hard drives for downloaded high def stuff larger than 4.5GB, or contents I havent watched. Siguro I also have your sickness but not as malignant it seems. There are times when I just cant have complete peace of mind unless I do double back-ups -and my wife cant understand that.
BTW between the 2 of us, I am the pirate. ;D
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Thanks Evo69. Im based in Tokyo kaya I have ready access to Made in Japan TDK and Thats (8x and 16x whatever is on sale).
I envy you! Honestly. Staying on topic, have you seen Taiyo Yuden DL Discs there? Or are they simply mythical?
At first, I used to buy disks with individual cases but the price merit of those in spindles of 50s is so significant, and then when you reach the hundreds, the storage space requirements of cases is too much, not to mention it's time consuming to sort through the identically dull cases when you want a particular disk. Now I just keep burned DVD-Rs in some cutesy Elecom designed rectangular block shaped DVD holders that my wife chose, nicely filed vertically next to each other in the PC room.
Or you could use something like this:
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...which is ideal for storing a lot of media in a small amount of space. I'm planning to get one from CD-R King which supposedly has this (but have been unable to track down one in their stores):
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...but unfortunately due to their great inventory (sarcasm), I'm left to storing my backups in Amaray DVD cases, slim jewel cases, and CD/DVD binders.
Then I use external hard drives for downloaded high def stuff larger than 4.5GB, or contents I havent watched. Siguro I also have your sickness but not as malignant it seems. There are times when I just cant have complete peace of mind unless I do double back-ups -and my wife cant understand that.
Women... :P My girlfriend urges me to stop wasting my time adding ECC redundancy, saying 2 backups should be enough (and so she could spend more time with me :)). Better to be safe than sorry! Do you, by any chance, use DL discs to backup your important stuff? If yes, what is your preferred brand/MID?
BTW between the 2 of us, I am the pirate. ;D
Lol I knew it ;)
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I envy you! Honestly. Staying on topic, have you seen Taiyo Yuden DL Discs there? Or are they simply mythical?
No I havent. All color variations and models of THATS that I've seen here are all SL DVD-R. But I'll check yung mga Japanese brands of DL. Perhaps one of them is made by Taiyo Yuden.
I have made back-up copies of every concert DVD I own using AnyDVD in 2x DVD+R DL disks para may mapanood sila sa Pilipinas (about 20 titles only). I used Mitsubishi Kagaku Media because it's the cheapest (pero mahal pa rin). Buti nalang walang sablay kahit isa because if there was, nakakaiyak sa mahal yung disk.
For my most valued data (family pics and home videos), multi-redundant back-ups in 2 hdds in Tokyo and 2 hdds in Manila, plus another back-up in single layer DVD-Rs, plus regular maintenance of the master C-VHS, Hi-8 and Mini DV tapes.
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Akala ko ako lang praning ;) Redundancy is worth it when memories are at stake ;) The TY DLs may be a limited run, I only heard about it from CDFreaks.com - and no one has any sample of the media itself.
Mahal nga dual-layer, pero mas magmumura naman surely as the technology matures... single layer dati nung unang labas kasing mahal din nung dual layer nung unang labas... sana magmura at gumanda agad technology ng dual layer para sulit na magbackup ng DVD-Videos and mas madali magstore ng data! :) Ayaw mo ba i-dub yung C-VHS/Hi-8/analog tapes mo to miniDV? Wala pa namang genloss from analog-digital dub diba? Mas robust pa yung miniDV, madali amagin VHS and Hi-8 eh, from experience.
100 pesos per disc ang isang MKM003 (Made in Singapore Verbatim 8x 8.5GB DVD+R DL) dito sa Pinas, 1000 isang 10-pack spindle. Kung gagawin nilang 40-50 pesos per disc I think it's worth it to invest in DL media na... perfect kung 30-35 pesos yun, x2 lang ng regular Verbatim SL media. I think it'll stabilize in a year or two... pero baka by then I'm experimenting na with BD-R/E... At 18.5k++ a drive and 600 per 25GB disc... masakit pa talaga sa bulsa kung bibili now hehe. ::)
Sa mga naghahanap sa Pinas 8x Verbatim DVD+R DL at Datawrite V-Mall will be the best 100 pesos you'll spend for DL media. Meron rin palang generic Ricoh sa Crystal CD-R World sa V-Mall din for 80 ata, unsure lang kung totoo and maganda, I didn't have time to check the disc out talaga, pero Ricoh discs in my opinion are good.
Any news from Quiapo-farers? Meron bang nagbebenta ng magagandang DL dun na mas mura sa brick and mortar stores like Datawrite or CD-R King? Baka may bagsak presyo doon na gusto niyo naman i-share, kahit di dual layer pupuntahan ko hehehe. ;D
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Evo meron palang Taiyo Yuden na DL but it's DVD-R. Made in Japan
Yun isa pang Made in Japan na DL DVD na nakita ko is JVC. Baka Taiyo Yuden din ang may gawa.
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Evo meron palang Taiyo Yuden na DL but it's DVD-R. Made in Japan
Yun isa pang Made in Japan na DL DVD na nakita ko is JVC. Baka Taiyo Yuden din ang may gawa.
Any pricing on those DVD-R DL discs? Para I have an idea lang ;) Thanks!
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my brothers in warez...
ano bang software gamit nyo in burning with dts/dd 5.1 or 7.1 ds
so far Adobe Primier at itong convertXtodvd palang ung ginagamit ko
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ConvertXtoDVD (formerly DivXtoDVD) is a software to convert and burn your
videos to DVD. With ConvertXtoDVD and in a few clicks you can backup your
movies to DVD playable on any home DVD player.
ConvertXtoDVD supports most popular format such Xvid, MOV, VOB, Mpeg,
Mpeg4, MP4, AVI, WMV, DV and stream formats. It converts your files into
a compliant DVD Video set of files and burns it on a DVD media.
The aspect ratio can be automatically selected or forced to a specific format.
The program works for NTSC and PAL video formats and creates chapters
automatically. Multiple audio tracks are supported. Version 2 uses a completely
rewritten interface with subtitles support and a lot of new settings.
Features:
* Video formats supported: avi, divx, xvid, mov, mkv, flv, mpeg-1, mpeg2-,
mpeg-4, nsv, dvr-ms, tivo, ts, ifo, vob, asf, wmv, realmedia, rm, rmvb, ogm,
existing files from digital camcorders, TV/Sat, capture cards, etc. No external
codecs needed like avi codec download
* Create DVD menus with different templates available, possibility to add
background video, image or audio, have chapter and audio/subtitle menus
* Conversion advisor wizard, control of the conversion speed vs. quality
* Fast and quality encoder, typically less than 1 hour for converting 1 movie, and supports Multi-Core processors!
* Included burning engine with burn speed control choice of SAO or packet writing methods, supports all DVD formats
* Custom and or automatic chapter creation with markers and preview window
* Advanced file merging possibilities
* Audio formats supported internal and external: AC3, DTS, PCM, OGG, MP3, WMA and more...
* Subtitles files supported internal and external: SRT, .SUB/IDX, .SSA with
color and font selection, and supports tags like italic, bold
* Video output for video standard (NTSC, PAL), TV Screen (Widescreen 16:9,
Fullscreen 4:3) and DVD Resolution (Full D1, Boradcast D1, Half D1, SIF), or
choose automatic for all choices listed above. Also convert video from NTSC
to PAL or PAL to NTSC
* Video post processing settings like video resize-pad/cropping and de-interlacing options
* Multilingual support
* Optimized for Windows 2000 / XP / Vista
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I just use the convertXtoDVD for DVD conversion, then create iso via DVD Shrink or Image Burn.
I usually use ImageBurn for burning.
Other than Imageburn, of course it's Nero 8. ;)
Now, I do'nt think the audio is affected by the burning software, it has to do with the encoding, and from experience, convertXtoDVD only encodes via DD 5.1.
Once, I was able to convert a file to DD-Ex, but I do'nt know how I did it. :(
Help din...paano nga kaya. ;)
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I have created a lot of coasters from the P20 DVD-R DL Brown Bear design & the P60 Sparkle DL from CDR-King. At first I thought it was the software (DVD Flick,NERO) then tried changing the DVD-RW drive but no success. The burning process stops midway or everything just hangs. Lately, I tried using ConvertX to DVD and I was able to do a successful burn of an mkv movie converted to DVD but had problems in playability i.e. from stuttering to total non-playability.
I only noticed these problems when burning video files >4GB in DL DVD-Rs. Never had problems burning videos with single layer DVD-Rs/RW. But if I burn data files in these DL discs, I find no problem.
Is this an optical media problem? Would I have better success on more expensive & branded DL discs? TIA
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I only noticed these problems when burning video files >4GB in DL DVD-Rs. Never had problems burning videos with single layer DVD-Rs/RW. But if I burn data files in these DL discs, I find no problem.
Is this an optical media problem? Would I have better success on more expensive & branded DL discs? TIA
I have made a complete back-up of all my concert DVDs using Mitsubishi Kagaku brand DVD+R DL and it was 100% reliable. I actually made 2 copies for each.
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I have made a complete back-up of all my concert DVDs using Mitsubishi Kagaku brand DVD+R DL and it was 100% reliable. I actually made 2 copies for each.
Good for you sir! I am still in the search of a more reliable DVD-R DL here. Experimenting is just expensive, time consuming and frustrating. :-\
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Use only DVD+R for DL media.
DVD-R is better for single layer media due to better compatibility with standalone players. However, for dual layer media, DVD-R is unrealible.
For DL, I use only Verbatim DVD+R, manufacturer is MKM (Mitsubishi Kagaku Media). Never had a single coaster.
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Use only DVD+R for DL media.
DVD-R is better for single layer media due to better compatibility with standalone players. However, for dual layer media, DVD-R is unrealible.
For DL, I use only Verbatim DVD+R, manufacturer is MKM (Mitsubishi Kagaku Media). Never had a single coaster.
OK sir thanks for the advise. I'll look for them discs. BTW, is there an available DVD+RW DL discs?
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Use only DVD+R for DL media.
DVD-R is better for single layer media due to better compatibility with standalone players. However, for dual layer media, DVD-R is unrealible.
For DL, I use only Verbatim DVD+R, manufacturer is MKM (Mitsubishi Kagaku Media). Never had a single coaster.
I agree with this one, I tried backing up a DL media using a DVD-R DL and always had errors but when I tried a DVD+R DL, it worked on the first try.
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BTW, is there an available DVD+RW DL discs?
I haven't seen one yet. :(
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BTW, burn your DVD+R DL on ImgBurn.
It's the best today, and it's free: http://www.imgburn.com/index.php?act=download
Author is "Lightning UK!", the same genius who wrote the venerable DVDDecrypter program.
Automatically sets Booktype to ROM, allows you to choose your layer break position, supports seamless layer break.
Supports IFO/BUP 32K padding, to ensure that there are 16 sectors between the end of the IFO and the start of the BUP, so that no ECC block contains any portion of an IFO file and its associated BUP. Nero still does not have this feature until now.
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Anyone seen a dual-layer lightscribe discs?
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Anyone seen a dual-layer lightscribe discs?
Meron Verbatim-branded 8x, pero wala pa ata dito sa Pinas.
DVD+RW DL discs are theoretically possible, pero the reflectivity of the discs due to the materials used and the physical design of DL discs means that it will hardly reflect the laser - hindi siya kaya mabasa ng lahat ng drives. For all it's worth walang gumawa ng DVD+RW DL for mass consumption because of this problem, and I don't think they'll ever make one in the future.