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High-Def => General HD Discussion => Topic started by: Ice Storm on Aug 16, 2006 at 11:53 PM
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2006 brings us the first wave of HD-DVD & BD players. 2006 also brings us the first generation prosumer & consumer HD video cameras so when will you get your HD dispaly?
In my case I'm thinking late 2007-2009 or as soon as there is local HD content.
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Me, as soon as i hit the "Lotto" jackpot ;D ;D ;D But now, i have to be contented with my Sony 32DX750 (surplus) ;) ito lang kasi ang kaya na malapit-lapit sa HD eh. ;D ;D Di kaya ng budget :-[ ang LCD o plasma :'(
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I purchased an hd ready lcd.....but fo the hd-dvd and blu-ray maybe in the next 3-4 years when the format is readily available here....
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I have my CRT HDTV ready since 2004.
I'm maximixing "HD" using HTPC.
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When they've settled on the winning format. Right now it seems HD-DVD has the edge with twice the number of titles available and better performance from the Toshiba launch product than from the Blu-Ray camp. But that could change. That's probably a good 2-3 years down the road. I started my DVD hobby 4 years after its world debut in 97. So going HD might take about the same time.
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Question -- is buying a CRT HD-ready TV like the samsung slimfit tv a good enough investment into the HD generation? Or is going plasma or LCD still the way to go? I'm not talking about aesthetics, I'm basing this strictly on function.
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Regardless, whether it's plasma, LCD or CRT, slim or otherwise, as long as it's HD-ready at least and with HDMI v1.1 terminal (minimum physical spec), any should be able to display the 720p and/or 1080i resolution offered by HD-DVD and BR discs (provided it's native res is indicated as such). What is lacking in "HD-ready" sets is the digital HD tuner that can accept digital HD broadcasts either off the air or via satellite cable. Or that it lacks an HDMI terminal (though some have )which to me makes it worthless as a future investment.
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When I have the money. Wala pang pambili eh.
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With some more thinking, I am not entirely that confident I can have the means to sustain an HD hobby as I can now with regular DVDs. For two main reasons:
(1) The HD titles are quite expensive (though there's already one HD title on sale at Amazon.) Expect the first titles to arrive here next year at around 3T per. And with no alternative markets as these titles are said to be hack-proof (no such thing really), content makers will not have the same pressure from these alternative markets to bring down their prices. At least not in the foreeable future.
(2) And with CHINA excluded from getting the HD technology to manufacture HD sets in huge numbers as they now do with DVD players, I don't see the prices of HD players falling below $300 over the next two years, the way they did with DVD players.
This, in addition to HD monitors still mostly above the 100T mark. The prices can fall over the next 3-5 years. But they won't be anywhere near the low prices we are experiencing now with DVD titles and their gears. Then again, I wouldn't mind being wrong here. For me to indulge in HD with the same intensity I do now with DVD (or used to), I would have to double my salary within 2 years. ;D
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Has HD via HTPC way back 2002 using a Sony vhp 1252 CRT projector. Then changed HTPC to a dedicated scaler in 2004 (720p). Changed display late 2005 to PT Ae900 because my CRT is already 5 years old and is already blooming when I increase contrast. The real question for me is... When can I afford 1080p? ;D
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Most, if not almost ALL HD displays commercially available can't recognize 1080p input signals as yet. Only up to 1080i. There are new models coming out that do, but quite pricey. According to most AV forums on the net i've visited lately, you really don't need 1080p travelling between the player and the monitor. That's because most HD displays can upsample 1080i signal they receive to 1080p without any motion artifacting. Since the HD-DVD disc is already encoded at 1080p, the player simply streams them as 1080i (cheaper) and because all the information are in the stream to be recomposed into 1080p by an upsampling display, then the display looks just as great as if it received 1080p signals. It would be entirely different if the source discs were encoded in 1080i, upsampling to 1080p will produce motion artifacts visible on a big screen.
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i have the same question.
I currently have a sony 32HD900 surplus TV connected via Component cable to my computer. 720p60 resolution. Capable of going 1080i30 but I find the fonts too small already.
Question is:
If I upgrade to a same size LCD TV like this:
http://www.streetprices.com/Electronics/Consumer/TV/LCD/32_inch/SP7975926.html
will it have the same resolution (720p/1080i) and clarity with this and the HDMI input? Or should I expect better?
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HDTV ready since 2001 including receiving HD programs thru cable and OTA.
Pre-ordered Sony Blu-ray player which is arriving in November. ;D
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i have the same question.
I currently have a sony 32HD900 surplus TV connected via Component cable to my computer. 720p60 resolution. Capable of going 1080i30 but I find the fonts too small already.
Question is:
If I upgrade to a same size LCD TV like this:
http://www.streetprices.com/Electronics/Consumer/TV/LCD/32_inch/SP7975926.html
will it have the same resolution (720p/1080i) and clarity with this and the HDMI input? Or should I expect better?
Check my reply in your other thread.
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for me the real question is: when will HD be ready? ;D ;D ;D ;D
the only 720p/1080i material i can watch right now are movie trailers and short demo clips.... they're great as appetizers but the main course will still be 480p DVDs and 480i cable (in my case anyway).... a salesguy once told me ABS-CBN is planning to broadcast HDTV some time in the future but i don't know if he's just bluffing.
i started downloading from torrent yesterday and its a pain because the file size of a full video is around 4-12GB..... found only a couple of movies so far (star wars II and 5th element), most of the available videos are TV episodes saved from HDTV broadcast.... anyway i hope my download goes well.
i may not be looking in the right places though.
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According to some AV forums on the net, there are now about 200 titles in HD-DVD and half of that in Blu-ray. The discs are encoded at 1080p with the launch Toshiba, RCA and Samsung players outputing at 1080i via HDMI 1.1. The models will increase over the next 6 months with the launch of the Blu-ray equipped PS3 this Christmas and the HD-DVD upgrade for xbox 360 players. It's only now released in the US and Japan, not yet in Europe. HD is not just ready, it's already here now. ;D
If you're using HTPC, there may be a bit more complication. There are laptops that have Blu-ray drives and can play blu-ray discs encoded at 1080p. And unless the video and sound cards have HDMI, you can you only watch with the attached LCDs. Some have opined you'd need the new Windows Vista to max HD and will need the new Windows Media Player that comes with the Vista OS, but I am sure there are freeware players that can play HD media. Both video and audio signals can be carried in one HDMI cable so I am not sure if there combined video and audio expansion cards that can do this. You definitely will need lots of video memory to buffer the immense HD datastreams.
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If you're using HTPC, there may be a bit more complication. There are laptops that have Blu-ray drives and can play blu-ray discs encoded at 1080p. And unless the video and sound cards have HDMI, you can you only watch with the attached LCDs. Some have opined you'd need the new Windows Vista to max HD and will need the new Windows Media Player that comes with the Vista OS, but I am sure there are freeware players that can play HD media. Both video and audio signals can be carried in one HDMI cable so I am not sure if there combined video and audio expansion cards that can do this. You definitely will need lots of video memory to buffer the immense HD datastreams.
From the MSI website:
MSI NX7600GT Diamond Plus is the first VGA card equipped with the HDMI technology today. Along with this simple connectivity, the audio/video signals on PC will be correspondingly transmitted to LCD or Plasma TV for users. In addition, MSI NX7600GT Diamond Plus has the solid and powerful 3D engine technology that is smoothly complaint to the most 3D games available on the market nowadays.
More here: http://www.msi.com.tw/program/newsrelease/news_page.php?UID=487
Then in a few months time XXXXXXXX company will release a software player that can play HDDVD and BlueRay media/discs.
Ulead DVD MF5 Plus is capable of burning to BluRay Disc/Madia and HD DVD Folders (soon to burn to disc).
Intervideo WinDVD BD for VAIO is available only for OEM release. This has not been made to the public. And AFAIK, it cant play commercial BluRay disc/ BDMV (only burned with in the software as BDAV)
I read from other thread that if HTPC handle copy protection of HD DVD (DRM).... as per JPADUA "Actually in the Case of HDCP enabled cards, this is a requirement of windows vista so that the video card can send to HD signal to your TV. If your video card does not have HDCP, vista will downsize the video to 480p. With XP however, you can play HD on a HDTV."
There are reports that the film industry will not impliment HDCP until 2012 or so.
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There are reports that the film industry will not impliment HDCP until 2012 or so.
It will be good to consumers if they don't implement it at all, ever. ;D
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When prices have gone down and the market is flooded with choices for the player & disks.
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When prices have gone down and the market is flooded with choices for the player & disks.
Actually, that's the same response I read from conservative posters in some AV forums on a similar question. And I share the same. But if I can afford, I won't sit it out.
Accrdg to HD gurus out there, there's no reason to sit it out and wait for the format war to settle. If you look at it, the launch Toshiba HD-A1 HD-DVD player has a street price of around $490 - cheaper than most upsampling DVD players from Denon and other mid-priced DVD players. Rather than get any of those expensive upsampling DVD players which are said to be garbage compred to HD, get the HD Tosh.
And compared to the Samsung Blu-ray player, the Tosh got better reviews in terms of price/performance. And you get pictures on an appropriate HD display that are simply awesome to say the least, according to those HD gurus who have seen it. None of the finest DVD players upsampling a 480i DVD material to 1080i can match it. To start with, the discs are already encoded at 1080p. They cost around $30 each at amazon, but surprisingly there are already a few on SALE like The Last Samurai, Sleepy Hallow at $19.95, and Bourne Supremacy at $24. It's not that much more than most SD titles out there. Still, $490 today gives you the best possible picture that simply makes the finest upsampling SD DVD player display not worth looking. And the sound, well, compared with compressed lossy DTS, the lossless DolbyTrue HD and DTS HD outputs at an uncompressedd 5.1 LPCM via the same HDMI cable. It's like having DVD-A for your audio tracks. So if you already own a High def LCD display which I believe you already have, what's $490 for a player and a dozen $24 titles to start with? ;D According to many early takers on the Tosh player and titles, it's the best d**n thing that ever happened to their HT experience since the introduction of DVD in 1997.
Only problem is, the Tosh model is in short supply with a huge demand for it at the moment. HD has only been introduced in the US and HT enthusiasts in Europe and Japan can't get enough of it. ;D Surprisingly with such a demand, the prices on the Tosh and the titles are actually falling. ;D
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Hmm, Good analogy. But nothing much I can do with depleted resources ;D
Actually, that's the same response I read from conservative posters in some AV forums on a similar question. And I share the same. But if I can afford, I won't sit it out.
Sama ako dito...i cant afford ;D ...yet
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i wonder what they intend to do with the millions of HDTV's that have already been sold but aren't HDCP capable..... that's a big enough market that some enterprising company will probably fill their needs.... DivX-HD anyone?
i saw 2 HD-DVD titles at Megamall -- The Last Samurai and another title, was it Batman Returns (can't remember)...... at $490 for the player and 200 titles to choose from its not a bad idea, but are they available at that price locally?
Spiderman 2 at 1080i and 12GB is taking forever to download, i might give up on this soon.
there's always the cheaper high-definition alternative --- going to the movies. ;D ;D
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I heard there's a good chance HDCP might not be implemented at all, at least not within 2 years. More prompted by the myopic and paranoid fear of content makers that their digital materials will be copied outright, the concept seems good on paper, but the implementation is another thing. At this time, they can't even agree on whether to implement the new region scheme.
Those $490 Tosh HD players will not be available locally, maybe not before Christmas. They will yet to debut HD in Europe. Them first before us. Right now, the only way to get a Tosh HD player is to order one online or have overseas friends/relatives bring them here. I read it's still region-free and still can't recognize those flags for HDCP content protection. The titles may be appearing sooner in local shelves with eager businessmen wanting to be first. But I wouldn't be surprised if they're priced at twice the current R1 prices.
Yup, nothing beats the theater movies when it comes to HD. That's film - the almost unreachable goal of HD efforts. ;D
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Yup, nothing beats the theater movies when it comes to HD. That's film - the almost unreachable goal of HD efforts. ;D
I also noticed this when I watched Phantom of the opera in a THX moviehouse. I was seated close to the screen and the resolution was SOOOO clear at that distance considering the screen was hyooooge.
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HD is really aimed at putting film resolution at home with large screens. No more jagged edges and visible aperture lines when you are up close with regular TVs, even HDTV using CRTs. The bigger the screen size, the more resolution you need, 720p and 1080i are awesome with 36" to maybe 60" screens. But beyond that, you would need superHD resolution at around 1920p or more.
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A 1080i resolution with a 1080p PJ will be good enough for screen up to 100 inches, 4k technology is still for cinema digital projectors at maybe 125 thousand dollars :)
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currently using a dlp tv and and hdmi player..
pq is almost identical with non hdtvs since i dont have any hd dvds ;D
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Reviewing my first post in this thread, I don't know now if I still want to wait out 3-4 years for the winner to emerge. One disadvantge of joining and reading those US and British AV forums, you get to be influenced by early adopters with their enthusiasm on the HD phenomenon, expecially when for a measly $400 or so, you get to experience it now. But that's them. I am still enjoying my 28" Sony WS surplus so there's really no rush for me. But for sure I have substantially cut back on my DVD buying. Good thing the many SALE periods allow me some purchases here and there, but I am no longer avidly visiting Astros nor the marketplace here as I used to. Definitely no regular priced DVDs for me since summer.
Perhaps when those 36" LCDs with HDMI start coming out under 50T or thereabouts by late next year, I can join in. And hopefully the next generation HD-DVD players from China would be here for less than 20T. Looking forward to autumn or christmas of 2007 for this. If I could save just 5T per month which was my usual DVD expenses last year, starting this month, I would have enough to cover much of an LCDHDTV by next year's Christmas. Then just use my bonus for a player. Now if I win the lotto between now and then, betterrer. ;D
Now where's that thread about kicking this DVD collection habit. I think if you've seen what HD can do, the DVD habit goes into coma.
But only to be taken up by something more expensive and infintely more enticing. ;D
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This thread about enthusiasm on the HD era is in direct contrast to those who are trashing out the
HD capabilities of the PS3.
They say why need an HD capability on the PS3 when owners of LCD HDTVs around the world are quite small yet?
Where are you now trashers? :P
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Antay antay lang. The prices of HD TV & MONITORS are going down fast and before we know, they will be very affordable. Once it goes into mass production and market we expect them to go down. Kasali na ako sa inyo to see developments going around in this hobby and when it goes within our reach then we go and get it, of course kung kayang kaya na ng powers natin. Cheers!
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In my head I'd probably go scouting for a HDTV after the NTC makes its mind up on what format local cable or satellite will follow. I'd feel silly buying a set that wont work locally. A TV's a 8 year investment for your average joe.
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In my head I'd probably go scouting for a HDTV after the NTC makes its mind up on what format local cable or satellite will follow. I'd feel silly buying a set that wont work locally. A TV's a 8 year investment for your average joe.
The tuner section will be the critical factor. You can wait for the 1080p sets to go down. I believe that this will be the de facto standard in 2 years time because going 4k will mean getting a very huge display just to see the difference.
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Just 1 piece of equipment to go and I will be in 1080p heaven(panasonic pt ae1000 projector). I have both hd dvd and blu-ray player at hand. As of last count, I have 22 hd dvd disc and 7 blu ray disc, Yippy ;D
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Just 1 piece of equipment to go and I will be in 1080p heaven(panasonic pt ae1000 projector). I have both hd dvd and blu-ray player at hand. As of last count, I have 22 hd dvd disc and 7 blu ray disc, Yippy ;D
there's HT nirvana....and ur taking it another level...HD nirvana :o :o wow!! ;D ;D congrats
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Just waiting prices of HD projectors at least those 720p to go down the 70k level. It seems i still have 1 more year to go. ;) tiis tiis lang muna ..
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The tuner section will be the critical factor. You can wait for the 1080p sets to go down. I believe that this will be the de facto standard in 2 years time because going 4k will mean getting a very huge display just to see the difference.
The NTC has already decided to adopt the European DVB-T system for digital TV in the Philippines. This means that you will need either a set-top box or a TV with a built in DVB-T tuner. Needless to say, digital TV's from the US will be incompatible as they use the competing ATSC standard.
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ako HD-gaming pa lang thru AE900 + xbox 360. :(
about HD-movies, i'm still waiting for the x360 HD player to arrive.
about HD-audio??? a eto ang medyo malabo. . .wala pa yata available amp/receiver in the market that can decode dts-HD & Dolby TrueHD.
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The NTC has already decided to adopt the European DVB-T system for digital TV in the Philippines. This means that you will need either a set-top box or a TV with a built in DVB-T tuner. Needless to say, digital TV's from the US will be incompatible as they use the competing ATSC standard.
But when will digital broadcast actually start in the Philippines? 5 years, 10 years, 15 years? Japan will end all analog broadcasts by 2011 but they have actually started digital broadcast for like 3 years now. It's a very very expensive shift in terms of equipment and infrastructure for broadcasters and networks, thus should be done gradually. I'd say digital tuner/TV system should be the least of concerns right now as regards HDTV use in the Philippines. I think by the time the Philippines actually begins digital TV, present-day HDTVs would be very much outdated anyways. Certainly, compatible digital tuner boxes would be made available by then. HDTVs are very much usable right now. Problem is the price and the lack of real HD contents to justify the price and maximize the capability of the HDTV (for the mainstream households). I've been into HD in Tokyo for about 3 years now and the latest addition is the HD-DVD add-on drive for the X360. When will I go HD in Philippines? I don't know, but it will most likely be triggered by availability of affordable HD-DVD or BD players. HDTV and analog contents quite simply don't match in my opinion. It absolutely s*cks to watch ABS-CBN (TFC) through HDTV.
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ABS-CBN is already conducting digital DVB-T (albeit in SD only for now) test broadcasts on channel 51 (UHF) in Metro Manila. I'm not sure how it looks though but if I can get my hands on a USB DVB-T tuner for PC's, I'll be sure to let you guys know ;)
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IF I had tons of extra cash lying around (which unfortunately I do not :( ) I would have probably jumped into the HD (players) bandwagon the moment the rave reviews of the Toshiba HD-A1 came out. But what about Blu-Ray? I would buy one too as soon as an excellent player comes out. Anyway, I have tons of extra cash lying around, remember (just as a premise, not as a fact)?
Now back to reality. Since money doesn't grow on my trees, I cannot gamble on a particuar technology which might eventually lose the format war in the end, and consequently compel me to invest again on the winning technology.
The last time I checked, Ricoh has developed a lens that should be able to read both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD discs while NEC has already developed a chip that should be able to allow a single player to support both formats. Of course the next hurdle would be the politics between the 2 rival camps and those companies who pledged their support for one technology or the other. Let's just hope that they would be able to overcome all that for the "real" benefit of the consumers like us.
When would that be? With how fast technology is evolving nowadays, I'm hoping that would be mid to late next year.
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I still dont have a HDTV, and hopefully my tosh CRT RPTV will last until the introduction of HD broadcast in our country....cguro nman medyo affordable na mga 1080P LCD tvs nun..... :)
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I still dont have a HDTV, and hopefully my tosh CRT RPTV will last until the introduction of HD broadcast in our country....cguro nman medyo affordable na mga 1080P LCD tvs nun..... :)
Munskie, baka meron ka ng 2160p by the time digital broadcast becomes mainstream sa Pinas.
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ganun din..hehehe...new technology, baka di pa rin ma afford at that time....hehehe ;D ;D
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ganun din..hehehe...new technology, baka di pa rin ma afford at that time....hehehe ;D ;D
Tumpak!!!!!
Sinong nagsasabing nagiging affordable ang LCD? Last year yung pinikit kong 37V, almost 300K yen. Ngayon yung gusto kong 46V na full HD panel with HDMI 1.3 and blah blah tweaks, more than 400K yen..he he he
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Tumpak!!!!!
Sinong nagsasabing nagiging affordable ang LCD? Last year yung pinikit kong 37V, almost 300K yen. Ngayon yung gusto kong 46V na full HD panel with HDMI 1.3 and blah blah tweaks, more than 400K yen..he he he
Sige mag-upgrade lang kayo dyan sa japan sir para yung mga pinagsawaan nyo e makarating na dito . . . . sa pier. :D
Sigurado maraming mag-aabang nyan. . . .kasama na ako dun. :D
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One week ko palang nilalaro ang HD-DVD player and I only have 3 discs which I have seen for I think 3x each. Duda na nga si Misis dahil bakit ko daw inuulit ulit panoorin si Keanu, Clooney at Tom ;D. Sabi ko ang tinititigan kong mabuti e si Sandra Bullock, si Amanda Peet, at si Tom (sige na nga) ;D. When I watch DVD, I would only concentrate on the story and the entertainment value. With HD, nadagdagan ng dimension because I also became more observant of the actor's/actresses complexion (preckles, pimples and moon holes), the beauty of surroundings/backgrounds and the artistry of the camera angles and shots. It so happened na one of my discs is a combo type so I made direct comparison with DVD again and again. Kaya I really needed to watch the movie at least 2x.
Right now, I don't feel at all na I'm taking any gamble on a technology that may potentially lose the format war, if there really is going to be an all-out war. I'm enjoying every bit of watching HD movie. I have only seen a short sample of Blu-Ray movie played through PS3 and comparing that with HD-DVD, I definitely think that we are in for a very very long standoff. If ever the HD-DVD loses and becomes obsolete, by that time, I would have squeezed every bit of home entertainment out of it already. I guess the same would be true for current owners of BD players. All I need right now are more and more HD titles. My TVs, though not native 1080p are better than good at the moment.
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my thoughts exactly, sir clondalkin ;D.....kahit na matalo ang hd dvd...im sure marami na titles mapapanood ko sa player na yun. yung return sa investment ko is maxing out na sa enjoyment in watching HD.....one more thing....If I wait...some of the good movies out there in dvd....and those I like, I would have to buy them again in HD copy, once HD goes mainstream. with the choice ive made, im minimizing double dips.....just my thoughts folks..... :)
With HD, nadagdagan ng dimension because I also became more observant of the actor's/actresses complexion (preckles, pimples and moon holes), the beauty of surroundings/backgrounds and the artistry of the camera angles and shots. It so happened na one of my discs is a combo type so I made direct comparison with DVD again and again. Kaya I really needed to watch the movie at least 2x.
totally agree with this....drawback nga nung umpisa eh.....ive spend more time focusing on the PQ rather than the movie itself.......kaya nawawala sa plot ng movie......but if theres a great drawback....this is it..hhehehe...you can watch it naman again.... ;D ;D
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I'm very happy that you're happy with your HD-DVD purchases mga sirs. ;D ;D ;D Heck, if the "hybrid" high-def player doesn't make any progress by mid of next year, I myself might even jump into the HD-DVD or BD technology (whichever proves to be better at that time). :-\
I just hope none of us goes through the Betamax - VHS days again because this time around, the players (as well as the materials) are several times more expensive (and we have more than a couple of Betamax players that we eventually had to throw/give away because they were just gathering dust). ;)
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I just hope none of us goes through the Betamax - VHS days again because this time around, the players (as well as the materials) are several times more expensive (and we have more than a couple of Betamax players that we eventually had to throw/give away because they were just gathering dust). ;)
actually sir...in the case of the price of HD DVD, particularly the HD-A1 (msrp $499 but bought mine at $399)....its much cheaper than in the days when Betamax or VHS were first released...i just forgot the link but ive read when betamax was first released the prices were between $800-1500....ditto with DVD players when they were released....mas mahal nga lang if you dont have a HD-capable monitor yet......you have to upgrade that one too....but kung players lang pag uusapan..its much cheaper to adopt now.... ;D ;D
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actually sir...in the case of the price of HD DVD, particularly the HD-A1 (msrp $499 but bought mine at $399)....its much cheaper than in the days when Betamax or VHS were first released...i just forgot the link but ive read when betamax was first released the prices were between $800-1500....ditto with DVD players when they were released....mas mahal nga lang if you dont have a HD-capable monitor yet......you have to upgrade that one too....but kung players lang pag uusapan..its much cheaper to adopt now.... ;D ;D
My 1997 magazine mentioned that DVD players are about to be released that time...at US$1,000
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My 1997 magazine mentioned that DVD players are about to be released that time...at US$1,000
and you still have to factor in inflation rate pa....(tama ba? inflation rate).....so thats more xpensive pa...
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My first region free JVC DVD player costed me 69,800 yen which is higher than the present cost of a 60GB PS3. It still works great but doesn't have component video out and doesn't play any of the DVD recordable formats. Switching between NTSC and PAL is through slide switch at the back. It's got karaoke function that we never used. Big frame.
I don't know how much my mother shelled out for our first Sony Betamax in 1978 or 1979. Noisy and highly mechanical top loading bay with control buttons wider than fingers (the type the you literally push down mechanically, then latches). WIRED remote. It was probably subsidized by her uber rich boss then. It came with my late father's first VCX Presentation tape (priceless) and a horror movie taped from US TV called "Burnt Offerings" that scared me like hell.
It's really the HDTV and the HT that cost so much when going HD.
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Just 1 piece of equipment to go and I will be in 1080p heaven(panasonic pt ae1000 projector). I have both hd dvd and blu-ray player at hand. As of last count, I have 22 hd dvd disc and 7 blu ray disc, Yippy ;D
Congrat alvinthx2 for owing both paradises. Whoever wins at the end, you'll still be a winner ;D
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I own a 42" SONY 3LCD HDTV 720p & have been considering to get my hands wet on the HD world but need to consult with a few HD gurus first. With all the on-going hype & excitement...it's indeed very very tempting to get a HD player. :)
Whoa finally the SONY's pupular 1080p Bravia LCD namely X-series already arrived & available in our local market but at a whoping P280,000 for an entry starter of 40" :o While prices are dropping for the other models.
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Congrat alvinthx2 for owing both paradises. Whoever wins at the end, you'll still be a winner ;D
forwat war solved for alvinthx2 and neilno..... ;D
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Bravia x line=P280000 (just 40 inches) or
1 1080p projector(Mitsubishi or Panasonic
1 PS3
1 Toshiba HD A1
1 Draper screen material 106 inch
;D
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Actually, that's the same response I read from conservative posters in some AV forums on a similar question. And I share the same. But if I can afford, I won't sit it out.
Accrdg to HD gurus out there, there's no reason to sit it out and wait for the format war to settle. If you look at it, the launch Toshiba HD-A1 HD-DVD player has a street price of around $490 - cheaper than most upsampling DVD players from Denon and other mid-priced DVD players. Rather than get any of those expensive upsampling DVD players which are said to be garbage compred to HD, get the HD Tosh.
..... It's like having DVD-A for your audio tracks. So if you already own a High def LCD display which I believe you already have, what's $490 for a player and a dozen $24 titles to start with? ;D According to many early takers on the Tosh player and titles, it's the best d**n thing that ever happened to their HT experience since the introduction of DVD in 1997. ;D
Well said mate..now my HD appetite is getting really wet!! ;D
Bravia x line=P280000 (just 40 inches) or
1 1080p projector(Mitsubishi or Panasonic
1 PS3
1 Toshiba HD A1
1 Draper screen material 106 inch ;D
Whoa...u mean we can get all those above items with a total cost of 280k? Cool ... provided we have the space to set up the 106" screen ;)
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Here's something to consider:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/5/22839/57074
An excerpt:
"The skills you used to rely on to get you around in the world: highly refined social climbing skills, office politicking skills, internet-browsing skills, report-writing skills, memorandum-drafting skills – these, you realize, are skills ill-suited to the Post Carbon Era. You would be better off now, perhaps, to have a different set of skills: negotiating skills, conflict resolution skills, bow-hunting skills, fire-making skills, or carpentry skills.
"Additionally, all the stuff you have accumulated, that once stood you in such good stead with your fellow man, and in fact may have helped you attract a mate – your 52" plasma TV, your deluxe nail-head block-framed leather sofa, your environmentally-friendly unbleached paper lamp shades – all that stuff, you realize, is worth roughly the equivalent of all those skills you have:
"Diddly Squat."
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The tuner section will be the critical factor. You can wait for the 1080p sets to go down. I believe that this will be the de facto standard in 2 years time because going 4k will mean getting a very huge display just to see the difference.
4K's for commercial digital theaters and I doubt it'll be a standard in middle-class Pinoy homes for the next quarter century.
In my mind I'm going LCD monitors such as a 27-inch Samsung SyncMaster 275T (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5606) ($999) or 24-inch Samsung SyncMaster 245T (http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/01/07/samsung_throws_out_24_lcd_with_3000_contrast/) ($799) both sporting 1920x1200 (16:10 aspect ratio) and HDCP. They have 15 pin D-Sub (VGA) [Xbox 360], DVI-D [PC or Mac], S-Video [cable & satellite boxes], Component [PS3 or Wii] & Composite ports. Kulang na lang yung HDMI [PS3 or HD-DVD or BD] which the 24-inch BenQ FP241W (http://benq.us/products/LCD/?product=638&page=specifications) LCDs have. Most of my entertainment comes from computers and video consoles so a LCD monitor is a more logical step than a 16:9 HD display.
I've been reading the CES reports and imo it isnt time for me to go replacing my CRT TVs with LCD or Plasmas unless power consumption becomes an issue or when terrestrial/satellite/cable TV goes HD. By the time local TV starts going HD we could expect 1,000,000:1 contrast ratios, 1080p and 100% NTSC color reproduction. LCoS/SED/LED/OLED may be the next best thing as well.
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Good for you, sir Ice Storm.
"A fool and his money are soon parted", goes an old saying. Wise words to remember in today's high tech world of marketing savvy.
By the time local TV starts going HD we could expect 1,000,000:1 contrast ratios, ...
Siguro nga, but that would only be the marketing claim, not the true contrast ratio.
A new movie in a movie house should have a contrast ratio of about 500:1, yet ludicrous claims of LCD and plasma TVs having a contrast ratio of 7,000:1 to 10,000:1 are common.
To make all of this a little more concrete, let's enumerate some specimen contrast ratios. If you're reading these words, the contrast ratio of the page before you is about 80:1. If you're looking at them on your monitor, the ratio is closer to 50:1. If you go to the movies and watch a good, clean print, the ratio (given the right scene) might be 500:1. http://www.da-lite.com/education/angles_of_view.php?action=details&issueid=56
The audio industry used to do this with their PMPO specs. This time, it's the video industry that loves to throw those specs around.
But I can't say I blame them. It's good for business. And when business is good, prices naturally gravitate to lower levels.
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Finally I've jumped into the HD bandwagon.... :D
The temptation was too great to resist! :P
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Sana nga ngayon na, kaya lang when i discovered that PS3 doesn't have an upconversion feature. I decline.
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I presume you have a HD or HD ready display device already. Although the PS3 does not up-convert regular SD material, it is not a reason why you cant enjoy HD. Especially if you have a set with odd resolution like 1366x768 or 1280 x1080 05 or 1280 by 768 because your display WILL STILL up-convert it to its native resolution.
Most up-converting DVD players are not up to par anyway with the exception of players from Oppo digital,High end Denon,high end Pioneer ,some Panasonic decks ,Linn and a few others. Even players from Krell, Lexicon are not the best in terms of PQ.
You might get the Pioneer 696 hdmi capable player as your SD deck as it was rated 5 stars at WHAT video magazine. The value of the PS3 is outstanding especially as a TRUE HD player as well as its ability to play SACD via HDMI, I could not be happier with this unit. ;D
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Yes, if you own a HDTV or HD display, the PS3 is a good option if you intend to play HD games & enjoy HD (Blu-ray) movies on your HD display. It's still a cheaper way of getting a stand-alone BD player that cost a lot.
If you just want to upscale your SD DVD movies, you're better off getting other cheaper player in the market that does a good job or leaving your display convert your video source to its native resolution as explained by alvinthx2 :)
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Thanks for the inputs, guys! I'm inclined to get PS3 because of the price. HD player na, may libre pang game console. ;D Anyway, i'm looking at an option of "borrowing" an upconverting player muna to see the difference.
BTW, ang PS3 ba backward compatible ba to play PS and PS2 games?
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Yep, PS3 is backward compatible to play PS and PS2 games so you don't have to keep your old system. :)
Speaking of the PS3 price, it sells around 60-70k (60GB) locally :o It makes more sense to import directly from the USA & save huge $ :)
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^ the 20gb version PS3 is now only 28k at greenhills, the 60gb is 36k :)
[quote"Ice Storm"]In my mind I'm going LCD monitors such as a 27-inch Samsung SyncMaster 275T ($999) or 24-inch Samsung SyncMaster 245T ($799) both sporting 1920x1200 (16:10 aspect ratio) and HDCP. They have 15 pin D-Sub (VGA) [Xbox 360], DVI-D [PC or Mac], S-Video [cable & satellite boxes], Component [PS3 or Wii] & Composite ports. Kulang na lang yung HDMI [PS3 or HD-DVD or BD] which the 24-inch BenQ FP241W LCDs have[/quote]
im also planning to get this kind of setup. dont worry about the lack of hdmi of the samsung bro, since that lcd is hdcp ready we can just use a dvi-hdmi adaptor w/ no difference in quality :)
is the samsung 24inch already available here?
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20k ang 20gb at 30k ang 60gb na PS3 sa napagtanungan ko. ;)
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^ the 20gb version PS3 is now only 28k at greenhills, the 60gb is 36k :)
get down boy....yeah...get down... ;D ;D
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Below the US retail price yan ha, if US version. I don't know about Japan price.
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Nice price...didn't expect to go down so soon....more more... ;D
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yup, that's nice indeed. Might go HD sooner than expected if the price continues to drop. ;D ;)
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Thats the only thing I am waiting for, price drops.
I could start going to HD when:
HD players are in the 10+k range.
HDMI receivers drop their ridiculous price leaps just bec they now have HDMI
all HDMI receivers/pre pros access audio as well as video (Not all access audio pala)
HDMI receivers have the new surround format decoders.
HD players have 1080p
1080p PJs are below 100k
HD disks are below $20
Looks like I still have to wait awhile... :)
Read a 1999 HT mag recently & DVDp's were at $450 that time. Considering thats 2 years from 1997 & 50% of the $1k initial price of DVDp's. Maybe next year is a safe bet. But with China in the picture... maybe earlier.
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I'm with you on that Mat...me too will wait untill all those listed become affordable before I upgrade my gears ;D
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I'm with you on that Mat...me too will wait untill all those listed become affordable before I upgrade my gears ;D
I just recently decided that I will drown myself w/ watching massive quantities of miniseries for the meantime while waiting for a clear winner & for prices to come down. 8)
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When am I going HD?
When I see more HD discs than DVD discs at Astrovision stores. ;D
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If I can already afford the price ;D
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That will be a very very long wait barrister ;D
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When am I going HD?
When I see more HD discs than DVD discs at Astrovision stores. ;D
Pag on sale na sila for P299 :D
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if the player will be below 10k ;)
the disc would be 300 din ;D
but for sure may bago ulit pag nakapag hd na.
a new technology/format ???
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That will be a very very long wait barrister ;D
Mas grabe pa nga si sir Matz, e ;D ;D ;D
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pag may pir**ed HD-DVD discs na.... :) :) :)
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pag may pir**ed HD-DVD discs na.... :) :) :)
GO CHINA GO!!!!!!!!!!! ;D :D
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Before the year ends meron na cguro $200 HD DVD player.....courtesy of China.....content lang problem ng HD DVD side.... :)
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content? NOT a problem, CHINA pa!
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its still early, given the ease in manufacturing hd dvds if people do decide to get those budget hd dvd players in mass then we will get more titles. a big if but you never know ;D
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pag may pir**ed HD-DVD discs na.... :) :) :)
It's just a matter of time & tech advancement that everything can be hacked & reproduced..
When there's a will, there's a way :P But I'm sticking to my "No Piracy" policy hehe ;D
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Bit the bullet and got a LCD HDTV. I'm using the computer to display native 720p content and boy what a joy. :)
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hmmmmm parang meron na nga p****d HD-DVD discs e ..... nde ko lang sure .... but anyway i live near quiapo ..... and there was a time na whenever i go to buy DVDs ..... most of the shops (more like all) are selling cheap p**** DVDs .... tas meron isa duon naka display nyang mga DVDs (HD-DVD ata kaya mas mahal p350 ata nuon ) ..... i always wondered bakit sya lang ang mahal ata ?? and i'm sure nde original ang benta nya.
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pero ngayon wala na yung store duon hehehehe wala ata kasi bumibili pa nun HD-DVD
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Bit the bullet and got a LCD HDTV. I'm using the computer to display native 720p content and boy what a joy. :)
Congrat DViant for getting your HD LCD. ;) What's your LCD size?
Now all you need is to add either a PS3 or Xbox 360 or any other HD standalone player to enjoy the new HD movie experience! :)
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32-inch lang as they're dirt cheap and does 720p well. I have a Xbox 360 connected via VGA & a Wii connected via component. The 360 via component does 1080p and 720p only but via VGA it does the native resolution of the LCD which is 1366x768. Wii only goes up a paltry 480p so I might go back to my EDTV. Waiting on two 2-meter length HDMI to DVI cables from HK.
When HD broadcast is the norm locally I'll probably upgrade to a 1080p HD display that would be beyond 100 inches.
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@Deviant
so it would be better to use component with xbox360 as you'll go up to 1080i (1920x1080 interlaced) ?? rather than VGA 1360x768 ...... asking because i have also 1080i LCD max VGA resolution 1360x768 with xbox360 ..... but have not tried using component cables instead.
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tdbur
it is better to use VGA with a 1360x768 LCD HDTV so you your Xbox 360/LCD will need not scale.
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yeah after reading quite a lot about video resolutions ..... i guess i'm satisfied with the VGA cable and xbox360 ..... 1080i as it seems wouldn't be good for fast motion pictures .... anyway the picture/video is already quite amazing using the vga cable and xbox360 ...... the best pq i've seen though is when i play the downloaded xbox360 intro video na sobrang linaw talga hehehehe .... i'm testing now playing all kinds of DVD discs on my xbox360 ..... most are just fine nothing spectacular to the eye. i guess i just wonder how to get the same picture quality that i see with the xbox intro video ..... i wonder if an upscaling DVD player would come out with the same quality. i'll take snapshots and post it later
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When am I going HD? Sorry, not yet interested.
For me, one of the most annoying video artifacts is posterization, where gradual transitions of shades and color are rendered as bands or stripes.
I was hoping that the higher resolution of HD video would solve it, but it seems that HD has not given us much of an improvement.
The posterization in the underwater scenes of Supreman Returns DVD is particularly bad. Did HD video eliminate the posterization?
After a google search for HD reviews, it turns out that the posterization/banding is present even on the HD discs. Home Theater Spot's David Vaughn says:
"I really had high hopes for this one on HD DVD, and for the most part it delivers. Color saturation is outstanding on the VC-1 encoded 1080P transfer, but heavy posterization is evident in a lot of the underwater sequences. In fact, this is the worst posterization that I have seen on HD DVD."
Here's an example of HD posterization from avsforum.com (pls. click to enlarge):
(http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/6651/pebandax0.th.png) (http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pebandax0.png)
Planet Earth, VC-1, HD-DVD/Blu-Ray, provided by avsforum member "House"
This kind of an image cannot possibly encourage me to go HD at this time.
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When am I going HD? Sorry, not yet interested.
For me, one of the most annoying video artifacts is posterization, where gradual transitions of shades and color are rendered as bands or stripes.
I was hoping that the higher resolution of HD video would solve it, but it seems that HD has not given us much of an improvement.
The posterization in the underwater scenes of Supreman Returns DVD is particularly bad. Did HD video eliminate the posterization?
After a google search for HD reviews, it turns out that the posterization/banding is present even on the HD discs. Home Theater Spot's David Vaughn says:
"I really had high hopes for this one on HD DVD, and for the most part it delivers. Color saturation is outstanding on the VC-1 encoded 1080P transfer, but heavy posterization is evident in a lot of the underwater sequences. In fact, this is the worst posterization that I have seen on HD DVD."
Here's an example of HD posterization from avsforum.com (pls. click to enlarge):
(http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/6651/pebandax0.th.png) (http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pebandax0.png)
Planet Earth, VC-1, HD-DVD/Blu-Ray, provided by avsforum member "House"
This kind of an image cannot possibly encourage me to go HD at this time.
In graphics, posterisation is removed when using grains or noise. This could also be the case in videos and the reason some films are intentionally grainy, to defeat the hard edges and posterisation and give it a soft transitions of gradients.
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hmmmmm parang meron na nga p****d HD-DVD discs e ..... nde ko lang sure .... but anyway i live near quiapo ..... and there was a time na whenever i go to buy DVDs ..... most of the shops (more like all) are selling cheap p**** DVDs .... tas meron isa duon naka display nyang mga DVDs (HD-DVD ata kaya mas mahal p350 ata nuon ) ..... i always wondered bakit sya lang ang mahal ata ?? and i'm sure nde original ang benta nya.
I also saw that in quiapo before. Dont believe that. I dont think its hddvd. Alam mo naman dito they just put the hddvd logo and say it is real clear na hd siya so it will sell. I think those are just dvd 9s. Originals from magna, viva are 299 na. They are joking selling at this price or higher. They are just trying to fool people.
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In graphics, posterisation is removed when using grains or noise.
I noticed that too. On my TV, I observed that increasing sharpness reduces posterization. I don't mind that the increased sharpness makes the picture grainier; what I do mind is that it also worsens edge enhancement.
This could also be the case in videos and the reason some films are intentionally grainy, to defeat the hard edges and posterisation and give it a soft transitions of gradients.
If so, what I don't get is why Superman Returns still has extreme posterization despite the fact that it is already intentionally grainy (excessively grainy, in fact).
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New to this thread.
Posterization is my main beef with DVD too, I hate the fog scenes near the end of Children of Men (SD) and underwater scenes in Planet Earth (SD) where those banding are most evident. Both times, I wished I already have High-Def, as I imagined how much more glorious those scenes might be without the posterization. But if those are still present in first generation High-Def releases on both HD-DVD and BluRay, then I could wait a little longer...
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Here's an example of HD posterization from avsforum.com (pls. click to enlarge):
(http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/6651/pebandax0.th.png) (http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pebandax0.png)
Planet Earth, VC-1, HD-DVD/Blu-Ray, provided by avsforum member "House"
Compare the above VC-1 encoded image with BBC's HD image:
(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7052/bbcbandhm2.th.png) (http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bbcbandhm2.png)
Planet Earth, BBC h.264/AVC broadcast image, provided by avsforum member "TheLion".
It appears that the source master is fine, and that the posterization is traceable to the VC-1 encoding.
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Happy Feet (Blu-ray) review:
With all of the praise hyped above, then why only 4.5 paws? Well, the film boasts some of the worst posterization that I have yet witnessed on HD DVD or Blu-Ray. My personal opinion is that this has something to do with the VC-1 encoding, which has shown a tendency of not being able to handle the gradients of color very well. If you look closely at the blue sky's you can see it pretty clearly at times, but the underwater sequences are where you will really see it in full form. Other than this flaw, the overall picture is pretty d**n good and most viewers probably won't notice the posterization unless they know what they are looking for. ...
http://www.hometheaterspot.com/fusionbb/dvd-review.php?sequence=1880 (http://www.hometheaterspot.com/fusionbb/dvd-review.php?sequence=1880)