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Title: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: young_hov on Sep 03, 2002 at 01:03 PM
Hey guys.  Can anyone give me some advice?  I really want to get into audio.  My setup now is really lame.  Here's how it is.  Amp:80's Kenwood 100x2, Speakers: chewed up Pioneer hpm-60's.  I just recently purchased a Technics sl-1300 to get me going.  My budget is really tight so I'm going to have to upgrade one at a time.  Should I go for speakers or a tube amp?  Thanks!
Title: Advice for a Newbie
Post by: audio_tyro on Sep 03, 2002 at 01:39 PM
Hi Young_Hov,

Looks like you're ready for a serious but exciting wholesome hobby (Audio). Gazing at your current set up, it would be good if you change your speakers first. Go for some audiophile-grade speakers. Pioneer HPM-60? One of my friends, Eriv Villanueva, used to have that one so I know well enough how that sound (typical Japanese sound - boomy and bright). Looking back, the first speakers my dad bought (when I was still in Grade Six) were a pair of Pioneer HPM-120 (good bass, but overall still a far cry even from todays budget audiophile-grade speakers).

But let me ask you first: what type of songs do you play in your system? Once I see that, I can have an idea what to recommend to you. And secondly, how much is your budget for your next indulgence? Tell me also how big is your audio room (L x W x H).



Title: Re:Advice for a Newbie
Post by: gaol on Sep 03, 2002 at 03:20 PM
Hey guys.  Can anyone give me some advice?  I really want to get into audio.  My setup now is really lame.  Here's how it is.  Amp:80's Kenwood 100x2, Speakers: chewed up Pioneer hpm-60's.  I just recently purchased a Technics sl-1300 to get me going.  My budget is really tight so I'm going to have to upgrade one at a time.  Should I go for speakers or a tube amp?  Thanks!

If you're on a tight budget for a stereo setup, you might consider a pre-owned B&W DM601s2 for starters.

I'm selling mine because I recently upgraded my speakers for my stereo only setup. I used these both for my entry-level stereo-only setup, and at one time, as fronts for HT. They can do wonders for your current setup and can hold its own once you upgrade the rest.

Check out:

FS: B&W DM601 s2 (http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=7;action=display;threadid=6037)

If you can afford even more, the next up would be the Dynaudio Audience 42s and 52s in the P25K range and up.

Someone told me that a good starter (pre-owned?) tube amp would set you back by P15K-P20K, but I have a feeling it would be wasted on your speakers.   ;)

Cheers!
GAOL
Title: Re:Advice for a Newbie
Post by: greatbop on Sep 03, 2002 at 05:54 PM
Personally I love both Energy and Paradigm speakers.

Sa Paradigm, go check out their PERFORMANCE series.
Sa energy naman the XLT series.  You can get a pair of really good floorstanding for just 400 USD..

Title: Re:Advice for a Newbie
Post by: rtsy on Sep 03, 2002 at 06:08 PM
My budget is really tight so I'm going to have to upgrade one at a time.  Should I go for speakers or a tube amp?  Thanks!

Give Hyperaudio a visit at his shop at the back of Cash & Carry.  He has a pair of NHT Super Zeroes at below PhP8k.  IMHO, speakers dictate a good portion of the the characteristic sound of the system.  I think Hyperaudio also has a pair of Tannoy 603 and a pair of B&W DM302.  You can't go wrong with any of those.

If you don't like it used, listen to Mission m71, B&W DM303, PSB Alpha (don't know latest models).

Good luck and keep us posted.

Also check out:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pinoydiophiles

Title: Re:Advice for a Newbie
Post by: listener on Sep 03, 2002 at 06:58 PM
young_hov

When setting up a stereo system on a tight budget...I suggest you follow this breakdown:  60% of your budget must be spent on speakers, The remaining 40% on electronics. Changing your speakers in your setup must be your first step. You will be surprised with what you will hear when you upgrade to at least an entry level audiophile speaker.
Title: Re:Advice for a Newbie
Post by: young_hov on Sep 04, 2002 at 12:03 AM
@tyro: these hpm-60's must be from my dad's high school days coz the wood is so damn chewed up. ;D My musical tastes range from jazz, soul, funk, 70's, to hiphop and r&b.  I'm on an extremely tight budget coz I'm fresh off college with a measly salary. :'(  I'd say maybe 8-12k.

@gaol: Very tempted dude.  Still weighing my options though. Thanks.

@rtsy: PM'd hyper like you said.  Thanks.

I'm convinced speakers are the next upgrade.  How much would good cables set me back?  Thanks for the help dudes.  
Title: Re:Advice for a Newbie
Post by: M_Shoe_Maker on Sep 04, 2002 at 08:14 AM
Hi young_hov,

Cables you say?  Try IXOS.  Its not as expensive as those fat cables you see in some stores but IMHO their great for the money.

Again try, giving Hyperaudio a visit.  He carries this particular brand of cables.
Title: Re:Advice for a Newbie
Post by: gaol on Sep 04, 2002 at 01:15 PM
@gaol: Very tempted dude.  Still weighing my options though. Thanks.

I'm convinced speakers are the next upgrade.  How much would good cables set me back?  Thanks for the help dudes.  

If you want to listen to them to help you decide, let me know so we can schedule when you can come over....

The popular Ixos 6003 (purple-colored!) costs around P250 per meter and is generally available in most audio stores.

Cheers!
GAOL
Title: Re:Advice for a Newbie
Post by: young_hov on Sep 04, 2002 at 08:02 PM
Hi peeps.  Auditioned a couple of speakers today after work.  I listened to:

1) Mission M72: very well balanced, not too bright
2) B&W 601 S3: very forward and bright
3) PSB something: Nice but 20k is too much

I'm leaning towards the M72's since I simply cant find any other that matches its price/performance.  Upscale and Hyper quoted me at 9.9k.  Woud B&W 303's be a consideration?  Thanks!
Title: Re:Advice for a Newbie
Post by: john5479 on Sep 04, 2002 at 09:20 PM
young_hov: in that price range give the b&w dm303 an audition. you might prefer its sound over the 601 s3.  ;)
Title: Re:Advice for a Newbie
Post by: audio_tyro on Sep 04, 2002 at 10:04 PM
Hi peeps.  Auditioned a couple of speakers today after work.  I listened to:

1) Mission M72: very well balanced, not too bright
2) B&W 601 S3: very forward and bright
3) PSB something: Nice but 20k is too much

I'm leaning towards the M72's since I simply cant find any other that matches its price/performance.  Upscale and Hyper quoted me at 9.9k.  Woud B&W 303's be a consideration?  Thanks!

Hi Young_hov! "..very well balanced, not too bright... very forward and bright... etc.)" You're a lying son-of-a-gun ;D. Newbie huh? yeah right!  :P

Okay, giving you a benefit of the doubt that you're indeed a newbie (yeah right), you can only go listen to the B&W 303 and see if it "overtakes" the M72's presentation.

Also try looking for someone who has a mint Tannoy Mercury or Mercury MX 1 or 2, 2.5. Tannoy's Mercury range have put to shame some of the best minimonitors around. Perhaps a used unit of M1 or MX1 should be approx. P9T (more or less). Actually I have an MX1 as bedroom speakers but have not decided to sell it yet. I will ask my other friends who are also Tannoy owners and will update you.
Title: Re:Advice for a Newbie
Post by: young_hov on Sep 04, 2002 at 10:36 PM
@tyro: Hahaha! I really am a newbie when it comes to home audio!  I have some experience in car audio though.  Ok fine, semi-newbie then!  ;)  I'll probably check out those 303's tom and the one's you mentioned if I find them.  How much for speaker stands dude? Upscale was selling at 3.1k.

Little update for tonight.  I still can't believe it but I found my dad's old 1978 Sansui 7070.  Lo and behold, the darn thing works and it just puts the lame Kenwood to shame.  This might tide me over (until I get the cash for tubes  ::)) once I buy the new speakers.

Thanks for the help guys!      
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: levi on Sep 04, 2002 at 11:55 PM
Hi, I edited your title. Thanks


Levi
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: john5479 on Sep 05, 2002 at 12:19 AM
young_hov, you might want to stick with the sansui amp
for now instead of getting a new one based on your budget. The circa 70's sansui amps are great sounding and well engineered so don't be surprised if your dad's amp is still working up to now. You can also try to find a tannoy M2, i saw one in buy & sell (the ads paper) selling for 7,500 pesos but I don't know if its used or not. speaker stands, a store in makati cinema square is selling lovan speaker stands for 2,200.
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: hyperaudio on Sep 05, 2002 at 07:55 AM
young_hov,
glad to be of help! is that the sansui 7070DB you're talking about. that was one of my dream amps when i was a newbie (or tyro) then. anyway, to get you a starting (on another level), i'm selling the mission m72
& lovan 2400 stand combo for only P12,000 (bn).
welcome to the world of never-ending GASTOS!
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: caohyde on Sep 05, 2002 at 08:40 AM
young_hov,

nice to see you here dude. :D as what hyperaudio said, welcome! welcome to the wonderful world of never ending gastos as sleepless nights.

btw, my offer still stands dude, just let me know. ;D

welcome again... ;D
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: rtsy on Sep 05, 2002 at 09:57 AM
i'm selling the mission m72
& lovan 2400 stand combo for only P12,000 (bn).

Friendly advice:  don't listen to Hyperaudio's Rega Planar 3 and home-brewed tube amps.  Those are really BAD, BAD sounding pieces of gear.  

Please help me remember I said this.  My mind will change when I can afford them.   ;D

Kidding aside, hearing that turntable and those tube amps got me on the road to tubes (via Musical Fidelity X-Cans v2 and perhaps soon the Antique Sound Labs MG Head OTL) and an analogue sounding CD player (TT's don't suit my listen to a couple of random tracks then move to next album habit) w/c range from a ~PhP25k OEM of the nOrh CD1, to the Heart CDP and even perhaps an Audio Note CD2.1x (or at least the Audio Note DAC 1.1x).

Worse, improvements in the system led to investments in more CDs!

Kasalanan mo ito, Hyperaudio.
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: young_hov on Sep 05, 2002 at 10:06 AM
@hyper: You just made my day. ;D  I'm very inclined to go for your offer.  I think I just need to audition the dm303's before I finally make my decision.  Yes it's the Sansui 7070DB!  It really obliterated the Kenwood.  Clean powerful sound!  I can't get enough of those VU meters though. :)  

@cao: Hey man!  I really am trying to restrain myself.  Uy, I think someone outbid you on that Thorens.  Pinoydvd user din ata (henryh?).

After finding that Sansui, I rummaged some more and managed to unearth a Nakamichi.  Had to leave for work so I didn't get the model number.  I'll update you guys later on the model and performance (if it still works).  Dammit, why doesn't my dad tell me these things.  Who knows, I might just find a tube. ::)
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: caohyde on Sep 05, 2002 at 11:30 AM
@hyper: You just made my day. ;D  I'm very inclined to go for your offer.  I think I just need to audition the dm303's before I finally make my decision.  Yes it's the Sansui 7070DB!  It really obliterated the Kenwood.  Clean powerful sound!  I can't get enough of those VU meters though. :)  

@cao: Hey man!  I really am trying to restrain myself.  Uy, I think someone outbid you on that Thorens.  Pinoydvd user din ata (henryh?).

After finding that Sansui, I rummaged some more and managed to unearth a Nakamichi.  Had to leave for work so I didn't get the model number.  I'll update you guys later on the model and performance (if it still works).  Dammit, why doesn't my dad tell me these things.  Who knows, I might just find a tube. ::)


good luck with your treasure hunting dude... i hope you can find what you're looking for... ;D

regarding the thorens, yeah i know... badtrip nga eh... >:( ok lang... ;D i'll revive nalang my more antique TT. ;D the leads are all that i need. ;D
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: greatbop on Sep 05, 2002 at 04:16 PM
I have no idea what sansui 707d is.. but.. yeah.. give Energy or Paradigm speakers a try. Ako personally i didnt like the PSBs as much as Energy's. Tapos Paradigm gives up a bit over energy  but costs way less.

(ie bang for your buck)... If you really feel na you wanna spend just a little bit of cash.. try out ATHENA SPEAKERS... You can't go wrong sa speakers nila.

www.athenaspeakers.com
www.energy-speakers.com
www.paradigm.com

check out energy and paradigm's first. tapos athena's
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: young_hov on Sep 05, 2002 at 11:18 PM
I pulled the trigger tonight and got the Mission m72's.  Hyperaudio gave me an offer I couldn't refuse.  Got them with Lovan stands and Ixos cables.  Yep, I saw the place.  Can I just say before I go on, holy sh*********ttttt!  :-*  There I got it out of my system.

It took me around 30 mins to get everything up and running.  I'm breaking these babies in right now and all I can say is wow.  Amazing how they've changed the complexion of my listening experience.  Just the best bang for the buck imho.  

A big thank you to all you guys for the help and advice.  I realized that this can only be the beginning.  The infinite number of upgrades leaves me wanting so much more.  The flesh is willing but good thing the wallet is not. ;D

Next upgrade will have to be the amplifier.  Tubes in 3-4 months.  Maybe.
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: greatbop on Sep 06, 2002 at 05:10 AM
just wondering... how much did that pair pf speakers cost?
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: caohyde on Sep 06, 2002 at 09:37 AM
I pulled the trigger tonight and got the Mission m72's.  Hyperaudio gave me an offer I couldn't refuse.  Got them with Lovan stands and Ixos cables.  Yep, I saw the place.  Can I just say before I go on, holy sh*********ttttt!  :-*  There I got it out of my system.

It took me around 30 mins to get everything up and running.  I'm breaking these babies in right now and all I can say is wow.  Amazing how they've changed the complexion of my listening experience.  Just the best bang for the buck imho.  

A big thank you to all you guys for the help and advice.  I realized that this can only be the beginning.  The infinite number of upgrades leaves me wanting so much more.  The flesh is willing but good thing the wallet is not. ;D

Next upgrade will have to be the amplifier.  Tubes in 3-4 months.  Maybe.

congratulations!!! be prepared my friend be prepared... ;D
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: young_hov on Sep 06, 2002 at 10:06 AM
@cao: I heard it at hyper's place and I'm still dumbfounded.  A beginner set should set me back around 15k daw.  Oh but no, I'm lusting after those 30-40k models. :o  Hey what's the proper way of breaking speakers in?  Should all the gain knobs be flat and the loudness off?  Thanks dude!

@greatbop: whole set (m72's, lovan, ixos) for 13k.

Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: greatbop on Sep 06, 2002 at 01:21 PM
Heh.. that is cheap.. I bought a pair of Energy Xl 150 speakers and an s8.2  subwoofer for my mini system... and it costed me 19000 php equiv... Just keeps amazes me everytime.

the speakers were just perfect. the subs was overkill though.. Pero I am getting a temporary HTiB.. so papalitan ko nalang yung dalawang subs..

Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: Skabyol on Sep 06, 2002 at 01:54 PM
Hi Young Hov,
Can you clarify what at begginer set consist of?

Thanks.
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: young_hov on Sep 06, 2002 at 03:28 PM
@skabyol: I'm not really familiar with the ins and outs of tubes.  When I said begginer I meant a model for starters (ie. something not too expensive).  If you want to know more about tubes just ask the jedi master of tubes, Hyperaudio. ;)
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: caohyde on Sep 06, 2002 at 04:12 PM
@cao: I heard it at hyper's place and I'm still dumbfounded.  A beginner set should set me back around 15k daw.  Oh but no, I'm lusting after those 30-40k models. :o  Hey what's the proper way of breaking speakers in?  Should all the gain knobs be flat and the loudness off?  Thanks dude!

@greatbop: whole set (m72's, lovan, ixos) for 13k.



dude,

one simple way of breaking in speakers is by playing music at almost exacting levels the whole day for several days. but that's a little bit too much... just listen to them regularly (tone controls flat and loudness on, although it really depends on your sound preference), within a few days or so they'll loosen up and you'll notice the difference. ;)

about the amp, you can settle with the 15k for beginners, but that's normally n integrated amp. separates can set you back 25-40k. hyper was offering me his ST70 power amp and pas 3 pre-amp for about 40k, that was a few months back (sold na yata now eh). :)

the difference between going integrated and separates is that with the integrated amp, you are limited to its features, you can add a power amp or other accessories (ie DAC, equalizer, etc.) to it if it has pre-outs.

swabe yan if you have separates na... especially the dual mono amps... whoa! ;D

 ;) :D ;D
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: young_hov on Sep 06, 2002 at 04:21 PM
@cao: Ya dude that's what Rene said.  The 15k will give me musicality that my solid state can't but feeling ko I might be limited by an integrated amp.  God you were right when you said this was a bottomless pit. ;D Even after break-in, should loudness be on or does it matter if its on or off?  How bout the gain knobs after break-in?  Thanks a mil dude.

Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: caohyde on Sep 06, 2002 at 06:11 PM
@cao: Ya dude that's what Rene said.  The 15k will give me musicality that my solid state can't but feeling ko I might be limited by an integrated amp.  God you were right when you said this was a bottomless pit. ;D Even after break-in, should loudness be on or does it matter if its on or off?  How bout the gain knobs after break-in?  Thanks a mil dude.



actually, tone controls and loudness would really depend on listening taste... you normally turn the loudness function on when you're listening a low volumes, you know, when you can't hear the bass that much or the highs don't sound too loud. but when you're cranking up the volume, i suggest turning those things off (parang sa car-audio lang)  :). in other words, it wouldn't matter. ;D

don't get me wrong, you can start with an integrated amp, ok naman yun dude... get the scott, ok sound nun... ;D the trio is good also... actually, IMO, they're the better sound kenwoods. :) then after the integrated amp bit, you can get a separate power amp, i think both have pre-outs, then pag sawa kana, you can sell the integrated amp, then buy a tube pre-amp. ;D ang gastos talaga... ;D or if you want, save up for the tube pre and power amps. ;D kasi, you also have to take into consideration the peripherals like interconnects and racks and other stuff. ;D

 
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: listener on Sep 06, 2002 at 09:53 PM
Even after break-in, should loudness be on or does it matter if its on or off?  How bout the gain knobs after break-in?  

Activation of the loudness function and the use of the tone controls (Bass and Treble) are all a matter of personal preference but before you tweak those knobs to add bass or treble I suggest you do the following first:

1. Bypass loudness and tone controls
2. play a reference track on the system
3. If bass is thin, move the speakers closer to the back
    wall.
4. If imaging and soundstaging are blurry and not focused, try to toe-in the speakers  toward your "sweet spot".  This can also improve the top end to a certain degree.
5. If the top end is kinda excessive and bright, you can tame the room by adding an area rug, heavy curtains etc.
6. If all else fails then now is the time to adjust the tone controls.

Good luck ;D
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: young_hov on Sep 07, 2002 at 12:58 AM
Thanks for the help guys!   :)
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: Titanium on Sep 07, 2002 at 08:16 AM

Sent u a PM.
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: audio_tyro on Sep 08, 2002 at 12:28 AM
Thanks for the help guys!   :)

Hey, hey, congrats Young_Hov! And welcome to the club!

Before you wonder into a probable chaotic road to in search of sonic nirvana, I thought of suggesting to you a proper path because I don't want you to commit costly mistakes that we have had.

Take note of these five very very important components of your audio chain:
I.   Music source (generally CD player)
II.  Interconnects (to interface your CD player to the Amp)
III. Amplification (whether integrated or separates, it's   up to your pocket)
IV.  Speaker Cables
V.   Speakers

You started off with the speaker upgrade (from the Pioneer HPM-60 to now, the Mission M72). That's a very good move. Speakers do give the most dramatic sonic improvement relative to your previous setup.

Not to sound being a "bad influence" (to never-ending gastus), but later once you'd have saved some lollies and wanted to invest, I would suggest start from Item No. I, which is the source. Why? It's in the source that everything begins, it's where the music gets played! So if your source puts out garbage, do you think the rest of your chain makes the garbage a very clean output? Haha. My friend, no matter how good the rest of your audio chains are (your amp or cables, etc.) garbage in, is still garbage out; "ta@ in", will never be "ice cream" out, it will always be "ta@ out" pa rin. Pardon the toilet humor. I just want to nail down my point.

Also, components need to carefully matched. A Five Star audio equipment will perform well when used with a matched components, and will perform very badly when partnered with some unmatcheable gears. You don't believe me? Take a $$$ speaker cables, let's say the "Tara Labs The One (US$5,200 for a 10-ft. pair), hook them up to the Pioneer HPM-60 and let's see if it beats the sound of your Mission M72 with an Ixos cables. No way tatalunin na niya ang M72 mo! In audio, it doesn't necessarily mean that an expensive component will always outperform a cheaper one. No sir. At least that's good news, right?

So, you have been adviced. Follow numbers I to IV (or V is you want to change your speakers). And you will be less miserable than most of us here, me included!  ;D

Last but not the least, never forget that audiophiles are supposed to be music lovers. So invest in music more, instead of items I to V. Buy more CDs (of LPs if you want) instead of getting getting busy finding faults of your audio gears. When in doubt, just fire a "Help me message" here in Pinoy DVD. Everyone is always ready to help.

May the audio force be with you.

Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: greatbop on Sep 08, 2002 at 04:25 AM
"Not to sound being a "bad influence" (to never-ending gastus), but later once you'd have saved some lollies and wanted to invest, I would suggest start from Item No. I, which is the source. Why? It's in the source that everything begins, it's where the music gets played! So if your source puts out garbage, do you think the rest of your chain makes the garbage a very clean output? Haha. My friend, no matter how good the rest of your audio chains are (your amp or cables, etc.) garbage in, is still garbage out; "ta@ in", will never be "ice cream" out, it will always be "ta@ out" pa rin. Pardon the toilet humor. I just want to nail down my point.
"



I'd acctually start off with speakers. Dahil you might have a good cd player, ano naman ang gagawin ng speakers mo dun sa signal, if it can't interpret those frequency signals?? Plus quality speakers are long term buys.

Ako, i resently bought a pair of energy xl 150 bookself and a s8.2 subwoofer para dun sa mini system ko dahil i like the convenience it brings but hate the sound that are coming off it...

And right then and there an laki na ng difference ng nakuha ko from sound output. better voice clarity. no more sound distortions... picked up more effects..
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: audio_tyro on Sep 09, 2002 at 09:02 AM
Quote
I'd acctually start off with speakers. Dahil you might have a good cd player, ano naman ang gagawin ng speakers mo dun sa signal, if it can't interpret those frequency signals?? Plus quality speakers are long term buys.

Ako, i resently bought a pair of energy xl 150 bookself and a s8.2 subwoofer para dun sa mini system ko dahil i like the convenience it brings but hate the sound that are coming off it...

And right then and there an laki na ng difference ng nakuha ko from sound output. better voice clarity. no more sound distortions... picked up more effects..

Hi there. Yes, you're right but I was actually referring to the next move that Young_hov here might take. He's done with the speakers. So what's next? Are you suggesting him to get an Energy XL150 speakers too? (just kidding). Other people keeps on upgrading speakers but easily forget the rest of the audio chain. That was my point. Sorry if  t'was not so clear.

I guess another way to take is choose from the items "I to V" that I've listed, check your "audio funds" bank account and see which of these fits the budget for your next indulgence.

Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: audio_tyro on Sep 09, 2002 at 09:19 AM
I actually listed items "I to V" but I guess in reality one can always choose which of them must you upgrade in any given time, whether you want to upgrade your cd player, or cables, or interconnects, etc.  I listed items I to V as a checklist so that you wouldn't make the mistake of upgrading only one part of your audio chain, and most often is your speakers. Me for instance, I've owned. Me for instance, I have owned seven (7) different speakers and four (4) different subwoofers already in the span of four years. It was on my 4th or 5th speakers that I've learned that I must upgrade the other part of my audio chain to get better results. Common talaga makalimutan ang ibang components.

That's the reason why I gave Young_hov a suggestion. But if you've only read my note above, I said "speakers do offer the most dramatic improvements...". Pareho pala tayo ng paniniwala no? hehe.
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: young_hov on Sep 09, 2002 at 09:36 AM
@tyro: Thanks man.  Extremely helpful advice.  I would think that it is really true that many forget other important  fixtures of the chain.  As for me, I think I'm going to go with number 3 in the chain....when I've saved up.  :)  I'm looking to start a vinyl collection.  Analog just feels so right.  :D
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: rtsy on Sep 11, 2002 at 10:27 AM
amp, ok naman yun dude... get the scott, ok sound nun... ;D the trio is good also... actually, IMO, they're the better sound kenwoods. :)

Which Scott did you hear?  Where?  I'm having a friend's Scott restored by Hyperaudio.  I'm excited to hear what that can do on my system, assuming I'm able to grab 'em from my friend's tight grasp.
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: rtsy on Sep 11, 2002 at 10:41 AM
the difference between going integrated and separates is that with the integrated amp, you are limited to its features, you can add a power amp or other accessories (ie DAC, equalizer, etc.) to it if it has pre-outs.

Hmmm...

You add a DAC between the digital source and the amps, no problem doing that on an integrated.  No need for separates to add a DAC.  

Ditto for equalizer, you can feed the source into the equalizer then the equalizer outputs into an integrated.  If you have a multiple source system, all you need is a tape loop on an integrated amp.  Connect all sources to the integrated then use the tape out to feed the equalizer.  Then listen to the system choosing the tape input.

With the quality of digital playback or a well-chosen and lovingly maintained/restored analog source and the wealth of room acoustics and speaker placement methods that are easily available onlinenowadays, I have absolutely no idea why you'd want an equalizer.  Maybe perhaps if it's the $$$ TACT.   :P

I think the benefits of going separates are:

1--You can play around with different interconnects between your pre and power amps.  You can do so between source and integrated but this means changing every I/C for every source when you find your chosen I/C.  Tough luck if you end up liking the Audio Note silver I/Cs @ US$350/m!

2--You can upgrade just the pre-amp or just the power amp.  Say you want to move from active to passive pre sections (opens up detail but generally takes weight out of some music) or you want to try out a hybrid system of tube pre and S/S amp.

If you have  source, say a CD player, that has a volume control, you can by-pass the pre-amp altogether and go straight ot the power amp from the source!

3--Typically, it's easier to do bi or even tri-amping with separates.  With integrateds, you'll have to make sure the gain off your integrated is the same as your chosen power amp.

Aside from costs, the downsides of separates are the traditional downsides of a more flexible set-up.  With more things to play around with, you have more things to get wrong.   :P

Generally, an integrated sound better that a separate system at the same price range.

Hope this helps, and maybe confuses.   :P

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pinoydiophiles :P
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: DTS on Sep 11, 2002 at 11:07 AM

Which Scott did you hear?  Where?  I'm having a friend's Scott restored by Hyperaudio.  I'm excited to hear what that can do on my system, assuming I'm able to grab 'em from my friend's tight grasp.

Hi rtsy,

When Hyperaudio is done with your friend's Scott, could you kindly PM me how much it cost to restore it?

Thanks!
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: young_hov on Sep 11, 2002 at 01:27 PM
Wow rtsy.  My head is spinning after the advice. :)  From yours and caohyde's advice, an integrated doesn't sound so bad after all.  Couple of questions though (forgive the ignorance).  My goal of sonic nirvana,  ;D, hinges both on hardware and music.  I'm looking to collect lotsa vinyl and not really cd's.  So I guess what I want to ask is this

1) Will a basic integrated tube amp + m72's + turntable offer dramatic sound improvement over my current solid state + m72's + turntable?  
2) If a resounding yes to question 1, what models would you recommend and how much would these cost?
3) Would changing the cartridge (currently shure m92e i think) offer audible gains even with the solid state?

Thanks alot!  
 
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: M_Shoe_Maker on Sep 11, 2002 at 01:37 PM
Hello young_hov,

I'll jump to #3...

Yes, changing to a better cartridge will definitely give audible gains whether your system is solid state or tubes.  Remember, the cartridge is the first audio equipment to get a taste of your source - the LP.  The cartridge, along with the tonearm, as well as the turntable are very important since it is this first set of gear that would "read and carry" the very small signal from the LP to the phono stage.  

Cartridges are just like amps and speakers.  Prices of which vary from $50 to $10,500.  Its all up to your budget and listening tastes which one you will fancy.



Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: rtsy on Sep 12, 2002 at 02:02 PM
1) Will a basic integrated tube amp + m72's + turntable offer dramatic sound improvement over my current solid state + m72's + turntable?  
2) If a resounding yes to question 1, what models would you recommend and how much would these cost?
3) Would changing the cartridge (currently shure m92e i think) offer audible gains even with the solid state?

I can't answer number 3 as I'm a vinyl virgin (never owned one) and unless I become really rich, a vinyl eunuch (vinyl doesn't suit my listening habit of hear 3-4 tracks in an album at random then change album--rather cumbersome to do on vinyl).  I am however a believer that generally for the same money spent on a TT vs. CD player, vinyl is superior, e.g., the ~PhP20-25k Pink Triangle or Rega Planar 3 I heard at Hyperaudio's is better than all CD players I've heard (e.g., Arcam CD72, lots of Rotels, NAD, etc.).

Read lots of reviews and visit forums like www.audioasylum.com or http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pinoydiophiles for reviews/comments on the Mission m-series and see which amps mate well with it.  To my mind, I really don't care if it's a tube amp of S/S so long as it sounds good in the system.  

Remember that there are bad tube amps just as there are bad S/S ones.

This said, a good entry level integrated is the OEM version of the nOrh SE9 (it's called TS Audio).  A neat little 9wpc SET gem.  <PhP20k.

The Dynaco Stereo 70 is reputed to be a good one.  ~PhP20k.  It's a power amp though so you'd need a passive volume control could <PhP5k from Hyperaudio, depending perhaps on the volume pot you'd get.

On another thread, there was talk of vintage amps like the Scott 299 (I'm having a friend's restored as I type this).  ~US$150 on E-Bay.

For S/S integrateds, be sure to hear the Rotel RA-931mkII @ ~PhP13k though this has been discontinued I think.  Try looking for used NADs 3020/3040 or the newer 302/304 (used to own one), or the current incarnation C340.
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: Blade on Sep 12, 2002 at 02:51 PM
For S/S integrateds, be sure to hear the Rotel RA-931mkII @ ~PhP13k though this has been discontinued I think.  Try looking for used NADs 3020/3040 or the newer 302/304 (used to own one), or the current incarnation C340.

since its hard to find the Rotel RA-931mkII, which amp would match better with my Mission floorstanders? the Rotel RA-971mkII OR the Harman Kardon 670 (pero kung me NAD bakit hindi?)

thanks.......

Blade.


Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: rtsy on Sep 12, 2002 at 04:00 PM
since its hard to find the Rotel RA-931mkII, which amp would match better with my Mission floorstanders? the Rotel RA-971mkII OR the Harman Kardon 670 (pero kung me NAD bakit hindi?)

The last Harman KArdon I heard is the HK610.  That's a nice one.  I don't know about the 670.  Hyperadio has the RA932 and the 02.  That should be good.
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: gaol on Sep 12, 2002 at 09:19 PM
This said, a good entry level integrated is the OEM version of the nOrh SE9 (it's called TS Audio).  A neat little 9wpc SET gem.  <PhP20k.

RTSY,

How does 9wpc translate to ratings for S/S amps? Will this be able to drive, say the pre-Home Concertinos?   ;) ;D

GAOL

P.S. Isn't it obvious that I'm a tube virgin?
 ;D
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: rtsy on Sep 14, 2002 at 06:36 PM
How does 9wpc translate to ratings for S/S amps? Will this be able to drive, say the pre-Home Concertinos?   ;) ;D

P.S. Isn't it obvious that I'm a tube virgin?

First, I am a tube virgin myself, at least for speakers.  I have the Musical Fidelity X-Cans v2 for my headphone system.  Those have a pair of 6DJ8 ECC88s inside.

I'm dying to try that TS Audio 9xpc SET amp on my 'Tinos.  Hyperion, our own SF expert, thinks kaya.

I can't say exactly how 9wpc SET compares in S/S watts but the is an article on Stereophile Archives that talks about this.  Do a search there for "Tubes Do Something Special."

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pinoydiophiles
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: perds on Sep 17, 2002 at 07:37 PM
Hi everybody, I just need some answer of which the people in this forum are truly knowledgeable. Here it goes. I have an Onkyo Integra (A-809) integrated amplifier ,a Bose 901 series V speakers and a Pioneer dvd player. I want to upgrade it to a 5.1 system. How can I make use of what I have now in order for me to save some money?
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: audio_tyro on Sep 20, 2002 at 01:56 PM
Hi everybody, I just need some answer of which the people in this forum are truly knowledgeable. Here it goes. I have an Onkyo Integra (A-809) integrated amplifier ,a Bose 901 series V speakers and a Pioneer dvd player. I want to upgrade it to a 5.1 system. How can I make use of what I have now in order for me to save some money?

Hi Perds! You can choose on either of the following:

1. Sell (or trade-in) your Onkyo integrated (even the Bose if you want); or

2. Keep all you have, buy a center channel, rear speakers, and a subwoofer, and also get a 5.1 receiver  that can be used to drive rears, center and sub. Then use your existing Onkyo Integra to drive your front speakers (Bose). In this sense, you are bi-amping (both amps are connected to your DVD player). The Onkyo integra is connected at the analog (RCA) left & right output of the DVD player; then the 5.1 receiver is hooked up also to the DVD player via a coax digital Cable (Hyperaudio tel. 832-5710) sells a ver good coax cable, the Ixos 102). That's biamping.

The trouble with option #2 is that not all 5.1 receiver will allow you to bi-amp, meaning some 5.1 receiver will not work in 5.1 mode if you will NOT connect all 5 speakers into it. Hindi tutunog yong center and rears mo if you will not also connect the fronts! Like what I've experienced when I helped a friend set up his HT, using Onkyo 494 receiver. At that time we were setting it up, he has not bought rear speakers yet, so we only had the fronts and center. No matter how I adjusted the receiver, no sound comes out of the center channel! Only the front speakers worked. This did not happen to my prologic receiver at home, where I bi-amp using a Rotel 931Mk.2 integrated to drive my Sonus Faber Concertino. Weird! So finally, when I came back the following day, bringing with me surround speakers, the whole darn thing worked already! So I just need to attach all speakers to the receiver so the system would work okay.

My advice to you is, when you audition a 5.1 receiver, ask the dealer to disconnect the front speakers and see if it makes the remaining speakers (center and rears) work. If okay, then you can buy that receiver, and do bi-amping at home. If not, then look for another brand/model of receiver. If you cannot find such a receiver, then you will have to let go of your Integra amp as part of the system, and just get a receiver to drive all of your speakers. I suggest either the Onkyo SR500 or SR600.

Good luck.











Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: perds on Sep 23, 2002 at 08:31 AM
audio_tyro,

thanx for the reply. I will try what you've said. Bili muna siguro ako ng receiver.
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: caohyde on Sep 26, 2002 at 08:19 AM
dude,

how's your set-up coming along? Balita ko you have the nice toys already... ;D

ciao!

caohyde
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: dondon on Sep 26, 2002 at 04:46 PM
rtsy, saw your scott at hyper's,  :)

brought my scott kanina, sana naman magawa.

lupit ng mga gear ni hyper.
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: levi on Apr 05, 2003 at 12:19 AM
bump
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: BuLLeT on Jun 09, 2003 at 12:54 PM
May I  please seek the opinion of Audio enthusiasts regarding a decent used SS integrated amplifier fro stereo listening.

I mean, my probable source will be the used amps in Pier. Can you give advise on what particular brand/model is good enough and worth seeking.

I plan to plunge into two channel music through SS  amps before really trying the world of tubes.

Thanks.
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: av_phile on Jun 09, 2003 at 01:45 PM
May I  please seek the opinion of Audio enthusiasts regarding a decent used SS integrated amplifier fro stereo listening.

I mean, my probable source will be the used amps in Pier. Can you give advise on what particular brand/model is good enough and worth seeking.

Haven't been to pier but have visited a number of jap surplus shops in our area.  Most integrateds/recevrs available don't have remotes, so you bettter be prepared to get-up  from ur listenning chair to change settings.

They carrry many brands mostly Pioneers, Technics, Onkyos, Kenwoods and some Japan domestics brands like Victors (JVC to pinoys) and Mitsubishis not marketed  locally.  

It's hard enough to recommend blindly as there are good and bad models  in every brand.  But with those surplus stuff, you can't tell if parts have been replaced by inferior ones.  Expecially power transistors, its very easy to replace them with "equivalent" transistors that may sound nothing like the origs.  But for their selling prices of 5k to 8k, can you take the risk?

Why don't you window shop and give us a list of the models you've cme across and are considering.  Then the members can give their 2 cents.  

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I plan to plunge into two channel music through SS  amps before really trying the world of tubes.

Thanks.

I fail to grasp the logic here.  are you saying you haven't had the experience of listening to plain old stereo, and plan to make an ss as a jumping ground for a more serious set-up in the future?  Do you have any set-up at the moment or really starting from scratch?  
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: BuLLeT on Jun 09, 2003 at 03:05 PM
av-phile,

Thanks for taking time responding to my query.

Here are some models someone spotted form pier together with the quoted price. I am borrowing the list  from someone from another forum (due credits to him).

denon pma940 - 4000 (200w)
denon pma930 - 3000 (150w)
technics 88a - 3500 (180w)
onkyo a812x6 - 2500 (118w)
onkyo integra a817gt - 2500 (130w)
onkyo integra a815gtr - 2200 (100w)
yamaha ax640 - 3500 (180)
victor jas9 - 2600 (135w)
victor ja277 - 2800 (180)
marantz pm4 - 3500(150w)
marantz pm80 - 4500 (220w)
pioneer sa6850 - 2500 (110w)

I just want to hear some first hand experience with previous owners of the above brands  even if it they are not specifically the same model.

Our family used to own an Onkyo SS amplifier paired with  301 bose speakers from way back circa 80's. They sounded good to me since I was not that exposed to the different  speakers & amps ( I'm a true blooded promdi). After the system was disposed ( for some reason), I had lost connection to the audio world untill recently.

My present set up is an HT consisting of a Marantz AVR and Mission speakers. I enjoy listening & watching concert DVDs on these.

At present I want to have a dedicated stereo set up and I want to try again the SS amp road first and see where it will take me from there.

thanks.
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: rtsy on Jun 09, 2003 at 05:20 PM
My present set up is an HT consisting of a Marantz AVR and Mission speakers. I enjoy listening & watching concert DVDs on these.

At present I want to have a dedicated stereo set up and I want to try again the SS amp road first and see where it will take me from there.

Your Marantz-Mission set up is already a mighty fine sounding set-up even for 2-channel music...assuming you can position your speakers correctly.

Going to an entry level S/S amp for your 2 channel means you're looking at the Rotels, NADs, etc.  It'll likely sound  better than your HT but I'm not so sure it'll be that significant an improvement.

I would suggest you expose yourself to as many stereo amps and speakers so you get a good feel for the sound that you are after.  Only after that do you decide whether you're going tubes (there are cheaper ones more or less in the price range of the Rotels and the NADs) or S/S, or which house sound of speakers you like (Sonus, B&W, Dyn, etc.)
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: av_phile on Jun 09, 2003 at 05:56 PM
Hi Bullet,

Those Marantz-Mission set-up you already have makes for a fine stereo mode listenning just by siwitching off or bypassing  the DSP or 5,1 modes.  Not to disparage stereo, but some reviewers who have listenned to multi-channel SACD and DVD-audio swear they would never go back to plain old stereo.  A stereo set-up is basic.  But if you want to take advantage of those sonic wonders promised by the new audio-only mediums like SACD and DVD-audio that are touted to sound closer to LPs in terms of musicality, you may want to consider upgrading your multi-channel set-up na lang. Afterall, if you want to go back to stereo, just bypass the multi-channl mode.  Even if you want to go the tube route, which I might also do one of these days (or months), I'll go multi channel as well, not  to benefit  HT,  but to max out the promises of the newer audio formats.

By the way is your desire for another stereo to be set-up in another room?  If so, I'm hard pressed to recommened any of those in your list as they all seem very atttractive for their prices, assuming their parts are in tact org.  As an onkyo user myself, I'd be biased towards that.  The integra name is very well respected.   The denon and marantz likewise enjoy high marks among audiophiles.  I'd go for the most powerful among the lot, all things equal.  Just my 2 cents.


Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: rtsy on Jun 10, 2003 at 11:09 AM
Not to disparage stereo, but some reviewers who have listenned to multi-channel SACD and DVD-audio swear they would never go back to plain old stereo.  A stereo set-up is basic.  But if you want to take advantage of those sonic wonders promised by the new audio-only mediums like SACD and DVD-audio that are touted to sound closer to LPs in terms of musicality, you may want to consider upgrading your multi-channel set-up na lang.

One reviewer who considers multi-channel surround as the natural progression from stereo is  the respected Harry Pearson of The Absolute Sound.  

He said so however on a $$$ super high end multichannel SACD, multiple $$$ amps, multiple $$$ speakers in a dedicated and treated listening room.

If you have the moolah and can live with the rather limited and $$$ high resolution software available, and if you're lucky being on the bleeding edge of technology--like you know what'll happen when blue laser flourishes, go on right ahead.  :D

Stereo on the other hand, av_phile is correct, is a pretty old technology.  Not very sexy if you're after bragging rights like "I have 3 or 4 speakers behind me," "or we're right now listening to highly compressed but losslessly so bitstream."

On the other hand, being an old technology, there is a wealth of gear, software, and most importantly, knowledge about it.
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: BuLLeT on Jun 10, 2003 at 12:48 PM
Thanks rtsy & av_phile for the valuable insights.

In the end, I think the most important factor is  listening satisfaction for the end user whether 2 channel or multi channel listening.

With all your inputs, I&#8217;m now leaning on the Rotel integrated amps for the set up I&#8217;m planning. The risk factor on getting those 2nd hand stuff from pier is a little to high for me.

I&#8217;m setting my sights on a Rotel 931Mkll (?) even used or new.  Any idea how much is this amp?

Thanks
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: rtsy on Jun 10, 2003 at 05:27 PM
I'm setting my sights on a Rotel 931Mkll (?) even used or new.  Any idea how much is this amp?

This was sub Php15k new, right?  At this price range, also do check out the TS Audio 34.1 from corrsty or visit Hyperaudio for some vintage integrateds.

Scoot over to http://www.pinoydiophiles.com and look for Audio_Tyro.  He used the 931 mkIII for quite a while.
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: BuLLeT on Jun 11, 2003 at 12:41 PM
Hi rtsy,

I'll heed your advise & get more information form the people that you have referred using those equipments.

Thanks.
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: rtsy on Jun 11, 2003 at 02:07 PM
Your very welcome, Bullet.

I like watching other people spend money.  :D

Seriously, I check http://www.pinoydiophiles.com/ much more often than I do PinoyDVD so shoot me PMs there.
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: jerix on Jun 12, 2003 at 12:25 PM
another question po!  ;D

im presently using 10" speakers for my fronts and surrounds kaya sa receiver ko, puro LARGE ang naka indicate. i have a big SUB kaya halos magiba ang bahay sa lakas ng bass. However kulang na ngayon sa HIGHs.

kung e-indicate ko kaya sa receiver na SMALL ung mga speakers ko, will the sound improves? wala kayang mangyayaring technical problem kung gawin ko to? -- thnks--- ;)
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: av_phile on Jun 12, 2003 at 12:51 PM
another question po!  ;D

im presently using 10" speakers for my fronts and surrounds kaya sa receiver ko, puro LARGE ang naka indicate. i have a big SUB kaya halos magiba ang bahay sa lakas ng bass. However kulang na ngayon sa HIGHs.

kung e-indicate ko kaya sa receiver na SMALL ung mga speakers ko, will the sound improves? wala kayang mangyayaring technical problem kung gawin ko to? -- thnks--- ;)

Setting the receiver's speaker mode to SMALL means that you are engaging the  receiver's  bass management  feature to route the bass frequencies from your main speakers to the sub-woofer. Adviseable only when using bookshelf types.   Nothing to do with the HIGHS.  This is not necessary as you said your speakers are 10 inchers capable of full-range sonic spectral delivery.

When you say kulang na sa HIGHS,  when did you notice this?  Dati ba OK?

This impresision may be the result of your speaker's 10" drivers overwhelming the tweeters.  Do you use tone controls?  Baka toning down the bass might shift the balance giving the HIGHS relative prominence.  Hope this helps.
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: levi on Jun 12, 2003 at 01:03 PM
Just compare between Small and Large. If it still does not produce the high's you want then there must be something wrong. IMO if you remove low freq from your main speakers then the midrange will be emphasize and not the tweeter but as a whole you might notice both improved.
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: jerix on Jun 12, 2003 at 03:14 PM
Levi, av_phile- thnks for your insights bros, maghapon na naman akong mangangalikot bukas---  ;D
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: Courage on Jun 12, 2003 at 03:20 PM
Levi, av_phile- thnks for your insights bros, maghapon na naman akong mangangalikot bukas---  ;D

Yan ang masaya sa Hobby na ito eh ;D
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: rtsy on Jun 12, 2003 at 03:57 PM
kung e-indicate ko kaya sa receiver na SMALL ung mga speakers ko, will the sound improves? wala kayang mangyayaring technical problem kung gawin ko to? -- thnks--- ;)

The best way is to try it both ways.  I don't think you'd have any technical problems whatsoever especially since you've been running on the large setting for quite a while now.

The knee jerk reaction to your question is how can changing crossover settings on the receiver affect the highs when theoretically, it shouldn't.

But...

By setting main speakers to small, you ease the load on your receiver's amplifiers because you don't require them to produce anything below (typically) 80Hz.  This means you have more headroom for frequencies above 80Hz, which can improve the highs.

One of the false notions in audio is that only the bass requires power.  That's untrue.  The extreme highs like cymbals and other high pitched sounds draw quite a bit of power also as these sounds call for extremely fast movement of tweeter coils.

The downside with setting your speakers to small is the sub becomes more easily recognizeable when in an ideal set-up, you shouldn't be able to tell where the sub is placed.
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: rtsy on Jun 12, 2003 at 04:01 PM
Setting the receiver's speaker mode to SMALL means that you are engaging the  receiver's  bass management  feature to route the bass frequencies from your main speakers to the sub-woofer. Adviseable only when using bookshelf types.

I use teeny-weeny Dynaudio Audience 40's but I do prefer listening to it in "large" setting on my receiver.  Mas madaling gawin non-directional yung bass when the bookshelves are running full range.
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: av_phile on Jun 12, 2003 at 05:54 PM
I use teeny-weeny Dynaudio Audience 40's but I do prefer listening to it in "large" setting on my receiver.  Mas madaling gawin non-directional yung bass when the bookshelves are running full range.

That was more a general rule.  Kung kaya ba ng bookshelf model mag LARGE why not.  Lesser directionality on the sub.  Baligtad naman yung iba who I know.  They have floorstanders set to SMALL , kasi may bass pa rin due to the enclosure size. Medyo diminished lang.   And the sub set to low crossover point makes a seamless integration.  Different strokes for differrent people.  
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: rtsy on Jun 12, 2003 at 08:33 PM
Different strokes for differrent people.  

Amen!

So, libre naman to try it both ways.  Oras lang at tiyaga kailangan.  :D

Happy listening!
Title: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: Dime_Licker on Oct 02, 2003 at 12:24 PM
Hi all,

I am new to HT, and just planning to set up my own.  I appreaciate some help in answering very basic (stupid) questions.

1) If my receiver is 6.1, ok lang ba if I only have a 5.1 speaker system?

2) Does wiring really matter?  Should I invest in thick wires even for the surround speakers?

3) Where should I place the bass?  Infront or in the rear?  Can I hide it somewhere?

4) Which is better: a down-firing bass or a front-firing one?

5) What is an "active" bass?

6) Should the receiver have a higher power rating than the speakers?  If my receiver is 95W, and my speakers are 100W -- ok lang ba?

Thanks!
Title: Re:Newbie Stupid Questions
Post by: Grimlock on Oct 02, 2003 at 12:43 PM
You can check out
http://www.crutchfieldadvisor.com/learningcenter/S-XHcy7hGbvEG/home/hometheater.html

for more details. Plus, don't forget to visit other related links. Enjoy!
Title: Re:Newbie Stupid Questions
Post by: Philander on Oct 02, 2003 at 01:05 PM
Hi all,

I am new to HT, and just planning to set up my own.  I appreaciate some help in answering very basic (stupid) questions.

1) If my receiver is 6.1, ok lang ba if I only have a 5.1 speaker system?

Yes, even 5.0, 4.1, 4.0, 3.1, 3.0, 2.1 or 2.0

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2) Does wiring really matter?  Should I invest in thick wires even for the surround speakers?

IMHO, invest more in the front channels, cause this where we can hear differences specially in music listening... with movies, you can't notice or hear differences at all.

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3) Where should I place the bass?  Infront or in the rear?  Can I hide it somewhere?

You can place subwoofer in any place you want, becuase this signal is non-directional. There is a phase control in most subwoofer, where you can adjust if you placed it between (or adjacent to) the front speakers.

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4) Which is better: a down-firing bass or a front-firing one?
Both. Subwoofers are designed to serve one purpose... to give life to LFE. If the manufacturer chooses a particular design... its because they have their own study which resulted to have better characteristics than the other design (corresponds to the materials used).

I think we have a thread regarding this topic.

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5) What is an "active" bass?
You mean, active subwoofer? If so then its has build-in amplifier (either in-board or outboard) to drive the woofer.

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6) Should the receiver have a higher power rating than the speakers?  If my receiver is 95W, and my speakers are 100W -- ok lang ba?

It can be the other way around. Technically, it is more safe (as long that you won't overpower the speakers) to have the receiver that has a higher power rating than the speakers. If your receiver is 95 watts, then you can use the upto 200 watts (nominal power rating and do consider the impedance rating)

HTH.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: levi on Oct 02, 2003 at 02:01 PM
I edited the title....

MOD NOTE:

edited title for uniformity to other newbie threads in other sections. keep on posting.
  :)
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile on Oct 02, 2003 at 02:53 PM
1) If my receiver is 6.1, ok lang ba if I only have a 5.1 speaker system?

No problem, the 6th rear channel, which is the center rear will be phantomed between the L and R rear channels.  Much a like a phantomed center channel if you don't have a center speaker.

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2) Does wiring really matter?  Should I invest in thick wires even for the surround speakers?

Depending on the size of your room, in general, it would be a good idea to use higher gauge or thicker wires for long cable runs.  So your rear speakers can benefit from thicker gauge if the cables will have to run around the room to  the back.  

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3) Where should I place the bass?  Infront or in the rear?  Can I hide it somewhere?

In general, bass is non-directional if the crossover point is low enough.  If can be placed anywhere.  But there are subs that are designed to be placed in specific locations.  Check your subwoofer manual for a recmmmended location.   In general,   placing a sub  near rigid boundaries reinforce bass and putting them in corners give the most reinfocement.   Putting it in the middle of the room provides the least bass, but could be ideal if the sub is quite boomy.

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4) Which is better: a down-firing bass or a front-firing one?

Each design has its advantage and drawback that can be minimized as per recommendations in the user manual.  There are excellent front-firing, side-firing and down-firing subs from any brands.

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5) What is an "active" bass?

Active sub means it has a built-in amp

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6) Should the receiver have a higher power rating than the speakers?  If my receiver is 95W, and my speakers are 100W -- ok lang ba?

I think there's a thread on speaker-amp matching.  This is really not an easy thing to answer.  So many factors to consider, so many dependencies.  And the speaker ratings are often inaccurate, so are the amps.'  But in general, IF you listen only close to half the mximum volume levels, it would be safe to have both amos and speakers at the same inidicated power ratings ckose to within 20% of each other, assuming both are correctly impedance matched.

Just my 2 cents

Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: zeeroo on Oct 03, 2003 at 10:33 PM
what's the difference po ng AV receivers with that of integrated amps?

thanks
:)
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: levi on Oct 04, 2003 at 12:34 AM
Integrated amplifiers are amplifiers with built in pre-amp (a signal switcher with volume, inputs, Bass, Treble, Balance etc).

Receivers are integrated amp with a built in tuner.

AV Receiver are receivers with audio and video switching capabilities.


Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: zeeroo on Oct 05, 2003 at 01:15 AM
if i wanted a 5.1 setup(for the audio only), i could just use an integrated amp? i already got a mini-component so i'll just use its tuner. or are there receivers w/o the tuner and video switching capabilities? i only wanted the audio to be 5.1...

oh, by the way, which is more expensive, the A/V receivers or the integrated amps?

thanks
:)
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: levi on Oct 05, 2003 at 09:13 PM
If you want to get 5.1 then you need a receiver. Its more expensive than  Integrated because it has more features but present prices have gone down. I think you have several options to choose from.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: rtsy on Oct 06, 2003 at 09:42 PM
if i wanted a 5.1 setup(for the audio only), i could just use an integrated amp?

Let's get back to basics first.

Amplifiers have 2 sections:  the pre-amp (where you contol inputs, volume, and where signals from your source is prepared for feeding into the 2nd section, the  the power amp.  If these two sections are in separate chassis, then you have separates.

If the 2 sections are in 1 chassis, then you have an integrated.

A reciever is an integrated amplifier with a built-in tuner in the same chassis.  A receiver can be 2 channel (e.g., NAD 7-series stuff).

An HT receiver is called so because it has amplifier, pre-amplifier (where the Dolby Digital/DTS/etc. decoding happens, a.k.a. the processor and hence the term pre-pro for separate HT components) and in most cases, an FM tuner also.

The difference between a stereo receiver and an HT receiver is the former has 2 channels of pre-amp and amplification only, the latter at least 5.

I am assuming that by your question, you mean this:  "can you just get an integrated STEREO amp for use with the pre and power amp sections in your stereo mini-compo to power a 5.1 system?"

The answer is no.

First, you won't have a 5.1 decoder in whichever you decide to use as pre-amp, processor.

Second, you need at least 5 channels of amplification for 5.1 and your stereo mini-compo would have 2 plus only 2 more on the integrated.

Third, having different amps driving different channels is more likely to give you an incoherent surround soundstage than using the same amps across all channels.

i already got a mini-component so i'll just use its tuner. or are there receivers w/o the tuner and video switching capabilities? i only wanted the audio to be 5.1...

Check first if your mini-compo has an audio out if you like to use it as a tuner.  Most mini-compos don't have this.

A receiver without a tuner isn't a receiver anymore.  :D  

If you think by taking out the tuner and video switching on an HT receiver will allow manufacturers to come out with cheaper products, think again.  Taking out tuners and video switching will only save manufacturers a cent or two as these are really cheap silicon chips manufactured by the millions.

Why do you want 5.1 for audio?

Have you heard a straight stereo system compared to a 5.1 system?  At the same price range (and assuming competent set-up and matching), chances are the straight stereo system would trounce the 5.1 system on stereo material.

Chances are, you'd only want 5.1 for audio if you have a hi resolution multi-channel source (SACD or arguably, even DVD-Audio) as well as a large enough selection of multichannel music software.  In my almost a decade in the hobby, I have yet to meet a music lover with more multi-channel material than stereo albums.  :D

oh, by the way, which is more expensive, the A/V receivers or the integrated amps?

If you're buying new, entry level Rotel stereo integrated, you'd spend sub PhP15k w/c is about what you'll spend for an entry level Yamaha or Onkyo HT receiver.  So in terms of cash outlay, they are within ~15% of each other.

However, if you divide the cash outlay by the number of channels, your cost per channel is higher on the stereo integrated.  And most specially at the entry level or budget range of good gear, you do get what you pay for.

Bottomline, you need to decide what you are out to achieve.

If you listen to lots of multi-channel material and you like effects steering, go 5.1.

If you like simple, good old stereo, it can be pretty amazing what a 2.0 sytem can achieve.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: zeeroo on Oct 07, 2003 at 07:59 AM
A receiver without a tuner isn't a receiver anymore.  :D  
hehe... oo nga ano... my bad... ;D

If you think by taking out the tuner and video switching on an HT receiver will allow manufacturers to come out with cheaper products, think again.  Taking out tuners and video switching will only save manufacturers a cent or two as these are really cheap silicon chips manufactured by the millions.

naisip ko lang po kasi na gamitin yung tuner, cd player, tape deck nung mini component para di naman sayang yung mini compo. tapos w/ the video switching feature, is it still necessary kung ang expected video input mo lang naman eh isa(a dvd input)? di ba pwede nang i-diretso yung video output ng dvd player sa TV?

Why do you want 5.1 for audio?

Have you heard a straight stereo system compared to a 5.1 system?  At the same price range (and assuming competent set-up and matching), chances are the straight stereo system would trounce the 5.1 system on stereo material.
ooopss, what i meant about this was for the movie audio. :) i know na konti pa lang ang mga musical cd's or dvd audios out there & they are priced exorbitantly...

Bottomline, you need to decide what you are out to achieve.

Thanks for all your replies guys.... they were all very enlightening... :)
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Dime_Licker on Oct 07, 2003 at 12:40 PM
Thanks for all the insight.  This forum really helps!

I have a couple of other questions I'm hoping you can shed some light:

What's the significance of Impedance and Sensitivity when choosing speakers?  I'm looking at the Yamaha NS-P236, and the specs are as follows:

     Impedance : 6 Ohms
     Sensitivity : 86 dB/2.83 V/m

These are for the satellite speakers.  Are these good specs?

I hope you can help.  Thanks!!!
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile on Oct 07, 2003 at 01:14 PM
Thanks for all the insight.  This forum really helps!

I have a couple of other questions I'm hoping you can shed some light:

What's the significance of Impedance and Sensitivity when choosing speakers?  I'm looking at the Yamaha NS-P236, and the specs are as follows:

     Impedance : 6 Ohms
     Sensitivity : 86 dB/2.83 V/m

These are for the satellite speakers.  Are these good specs?

I hope you can help.  Thanks!!!

Those specs really have very little to say on the quality of sound you will hear.  Except that they would indicate if the speakers can be an electrical match with your amplifers (impedance) and how much sound pressure level they can deliver one meter from the speakers for an amplifer input of 1 watt or 2.8volts (sensitivity).

Is your amp rated to accept 6 ohms speakers?

Is your amp powerful enough to drive a not so sensitive 86 db speaker?

Just for your info, you would need a 200 watt amp to drive an 86db speaker to arrive at  the same sound pressure level given off by a 100-watt amp driving an 89db speaker, everything else equal.
Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: rtsy on Oct 07, 2003 at 05:10 PM
naisip ko lang po kasi na gamitin yung tuner, cd player, tape deck nung mini component para di naman sayang yung mini compo.

Pwede yan kung may audio out yung mini-compo mo.  Most mini-compos don't have this.

tapos w/ the video switching feature, is it still necessary kung ang expected video input mo lang naman eh isa(a dvd input)? di ba pwede nang i-diretso yung video output ng dvd player sa TV?

Tama yang iniisip mo.  Medyo hassle lang because whenever you change source, palit ka sa HT receiver at sa TV.  Pero if you're looking for the shortest video signal path between source and TV, skip the video switching of the receiver.

That is of course in theory at least for me.  Hindi pa naman ako umabot sa pag-eksperimento kung mas maganda yung vidoe output nang naka-diretso vs. nang dumaan sa video switching sa HT receiver.   8)

ooopss, what i meant about this was for the movie audio. :)

Lemme put it this way...systems that do music well generally has a greater chance of doing movies well.  than systems that do movies well to do music good also.

I'd live with a good sounding simple, straight 2 channel stereo system for movies anytime over a compromised x.y system where x >= 5 and y >= 1.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: rtsy on Oct 07, 2003 at 05:18 PM
Medyo dapat yata ibang thread na ito pero bahala na sina moderators diyan....   :P

What's the significance of Impedance and Sensitivity when choosing speakers?  I'm looking at the Yamaha NS-P236, and the specs are as follows:

     Impedance : 6 Ohms
     Sensitivity : 86 dB/2.83 V/m

These are for the satellite speakers.  Are these good specs?

Two points:

First, it doesn't always mean that if a speaker has low impedance, it can't sound good.  4 Ohm Dynaudios come to mind.  Ditto for sensitivity, di basta sensitive maganda at insensitive pangit.  The 82db (in)sensitive LS3/5a comes to mind.

Second, those single numbers you quoted, often called "nominal," for impedance and sensitivity hardly means anything as those numbers change drastically as the speakers reproduce a different frequency.

Some speaker designs are 8Ohm nominal impedance but dips to 2Ohms on some frequencies making them very current demanding of their partnering amps.

Here's hoping I didn't confuse you more.

Kaya ako, di ko masyadong pinapansin yung mga technical stuff.  Pinakikinggan ko na lang.  Kung maganda, ayos, maski ba low impedance or insensitive yan!
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: joan2 on Oct 11, 2003 at 04:34 PM
the marriage between speakers and amplifiers is a delicate one, there are marriages made in heaven, some made in hell, and a great many in between!!!

while technical stuff attemps to rationalize them, in the final ananlysis it is the end user who will  decide,
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: littlebadboy on Oct 11, 2003 at 11:20 PM
I'm a musician but I don't know much about audio equipment.  I have a 4-track digital recorder which i use whenever a tune comes in mind.  I listen to playback of what I recorded via headphones.  I want to connect my recorder to an amplifier so I can hear what it really sounds like off the headphones.

If I'm on a budget (coz I am just a music hobbyist), what good and cheap stuff (amps and speakers) should I get?  Are those surplus amps mentioned at the other threads good enough for me?  I'm just going to listen to them in my room.  However, I want to listen to my recorded stuff exactly like the way I recorded them so ifI reproduce them, it will sound exactly the way I intended them to be at different sound systems.

thanks in advance!
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: rtsy on Oct 13, 2003 at 10:20 AM
If I'm on a budget (coz I am just a music hobbyist), what good and cheap stuff (amps and speakers) should I get?

What's your budget exactly?

May ways to go about your needs.

If you are handy with a soldering iron, get in touch with ArnoldC for the PhP11k 2A3 Single Ended Triode power amp.  Mate that with the ~PhP15k Fostex BS speakers from vintage_dog and you're likely set to forego significant upgrades for years.

Also visit Hyperaudio and Sensible Audio in Makati Cinema square for used stuff.

Make sure you listen before you buy.  The stuff I've mentioned sound very different from each other so you'd have to find what moves you.

Good luck.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: slowhand on Oct 13, 2003 at 11:33 AM
It can be pretty amazing what a 2.0 sytem can achieve.

This is a point of view that I enthusiastically support, though with a slight twist. What I agree with is the importance of the two front (left and right) speakers. I would (and did) invest in these first, and not be in a hurry to complete a 5.1 setup.

The slight twist is that you need not stop at stereo. You can always add channels later on as funds allow. And if you've planned well, the other channels will be tonally matched. In other words, envision a 5.1 setup you like (but which costs more than your current budget), then assemble it in segments as your budget catches up.

Another advantage of this route is that your system will also be useful for 2-channel music. So if you're lucky you would not need separate systems (and rooms) for audio and video.

Now that I have 5 speakers, it's amazing to discover how many DVDs sound better through their stereo tracks rather than through their 5.1 tracks.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: iceman90a on Oct 13, 2003 at 02:25 PM

Now that I have 5 speakers, it's amazing to discover how many DVDs sound better through their stereo tracks rather than through their 5.1 tracks.

he he  he , reminds me of a quote "what use is reaching the top of the ladder of success only to find it leaning against the wrong wall"

i myself completed a 5.1 set-up only to sell it off to go 2 channel  ;D
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile on Oct 13, 2003 at 02:38 PM
A lot depends on getting the right gears and speakers and their placements and room acccoustics, etc.  to arrive at a set-up that is truly involving.  

After hearing multi-channel DVD-A,  I cen see the promise of high-resolution music in multi-channel format.  I think one has to put the same passion for 5.1, the way he does for 2-channel stereo to  fully appreciate what the new format can do.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: rtsy on Oct 13, 2003 at 05:16 PM
I think one has to put the same passion for 5.1, the way he does for 2-channel stereo to  fully appreciate what the new format can do.

Amen, av-phile.  Now, if I can only find $$$ to also do multi-channel right.  :D
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: wakanga on Oct 14, 2003 at 02:43 PM
guys give me feedback about this article thanks

http://www.lalena.com/audio/faq/theater/
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: indridcold on Oct 16, 2003 at 04:17 PM
Basic but still informative. Speakers from the same manuf should also be timbre matched. I think this should be one of the major considerations.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: slowhand on Oct 17, 2003 at 07:27 PM
Now, if I can only find $$$ to also do multi-channel right.  :D

You mean, like this guy has done?  ;D

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0PwDKAv0QPvt!prTU3a*SCfvMs0tZBQzyivlbGbHYRmc4JhXxZ0to5bQTsqklEKGdfuf7Bj8ZcVScbmZwFCMQlGmCKOXkT6gt/IRS.jpg?dc=4675443287285048148)
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: joan2 on Oct 20, 2003 at 07:35 AM
if i am not mistaken, that is an infinity speaker setup costing around 72,000 us dollars!!!!
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: slowhand on Oct 20, 2003 at 10:10 AM
Yup, the legendary IRS, no less. He's also taken an IRS Gamma panel and laid it on its side as a center; that speaker pair cost "only" $14,000+.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile on Oct 24, 2003 at 11:02 AM
I don't think one has to spend so much like in the above to make multi-channel sound as good or better than a passioantely installed 2 channel set-up.  Maybe just put a couple of REL storm subs for front and back and Sonus Faber Concertos all around.  You don't even need a center speaker or channel as phantoming will often do a better job.  But if you do, get another Sonus Faber Concertino pair for the center.  With this set-up you may need the  Outlaw Audio ICBM for bass management when playing SACD & DVD-A.

Alternatively, get 4 outstanding full range floorstanders from Klipsch, Quad, KEF, Tanoy, SF or B&W or some other well-known brand in the $3-4,000/pair price points.

Then get any 4 or 5 monoblock tube or SS power amps connected to even a pre-owned Rotel, Arcam, NAD, Parasound, Krell, Sunfire or Lexicon multi-channel SS preamp.  Then get a good universal player from great brands like Proceed or Meridian, if they produce one.  I don't think they altogether will cost more than $30T, give or take another $5T.  A far cry from the $100T+ set-up in the above.

But this doesn't mean you can't get an involving multi-channel system at even a fraction of that.  Many who would now enjoy a Harman+wharf or mission 2-channel set-up will benefit from just additng another pair of speakers from the same brand, assuming the receiver is already multi-channel.   Passion does not always equate to $$$, though they help a lot.  It just requires some degree of determined planning to arrive at the system you like.  But firstly, it is important that he must be convinced multi-channel is the way to go.  The rest will follow.

Just my musings.

Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: SOLITUDE on Oct 28, 2003 at 06:23 AM
hi there!  like most of the people who posted here with queries, i am also a newbie trying to figure out what entry-level ht set-up would do for my 12 sq. m. room.

i have gone around some shops, and here are my choices:

tv:  29" Sony kv-dr29m61 drc-mf (already bought)  =)

rcvr:  
onkyo tx-sr501 6.1 115w/ch 6 ohms 0.08% thd @ 19k
denon avr-1604 6.1 75-110w/ch 6-8ohms 0.08%thd @20k
yamaha rx-v440 6.1 95w/ch 6 ohms 0.06%thd @18k

spkr:
mordaunt-short premiere series 15-80w rms 4-8ohms 86db 100-20khz satellite spkrs, 15-80w rms 4-8ohms 86db 100-20khz center spkr, 35-150hz 80w rms active downfire sub @ 20k

energy take 5+1 series 15-100w rms 8ohms 89db satellite spkrs, 15-100w rms 8ohms 89db center spkr, 29-100hz 100w active frontfire sub @ 34k

bose acoustimass 6 series 10 - 150w rms/ch 4-8ohms @ 26k

jbl scs178 10-100w rms 8ohms 86db 35-20khz satellite spkrs, 10-100w rms 8ohms 86db 35-20khz center spkr, 100w active downfire sub @ 25k

i am leaning more towards the onkyo-mordaunt-short combination.  can you give me your opinions and inputs?  would u recommend another rcvr/spkr system under the budget and along the same specs?

thank you in advance!  =)
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile on Oct 28, 2003 at 11:31 AM
i am leaning more towards the onkyo-mordaunt-short combination.  can you give me your opinions and inputs?  would u recommend another rcvr/spkr system under the budget and along the same specs?

thank you in advance!  =)

I am using an Onkyo Integra (main amp only) receiver to drive Mordaunt-Shorts Declaration Series MS914 floorstanders.  Am pretty impressed with the sound at normal listening levels.  Very detailed with excellent attack.  Bass is tight and can be overwhelming.  Am not so sure of the Premiere series, though i understand they are THX certified and has won some awards.  

But whichever speakers you choose, don't get any BOSE accoustimass.  here's why: (no offense meant to BOSE users.)

http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html (http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html)

Just my 2 cents.  
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: levi on Oct 28, 2003 at 11:48 AM
hi there!  like most of the people who posted here with queries, i am also a newbie trying to figure out what entry-level ht set-up would do for my 12 sq. m. room.

i have gone around some shops, and here are my choices:

tv:  29" Sony kv-dr29m61 drc-mf (already bought)  =)

rcvr:  
onkyo tx-sr501 6.1 115w/ch 6 ohms 0.08% thd @ 19k
denon avr-1604 6.1 75-110w/ch 6-8ohms 0.08%thd @20k
yamaha rx-v440 6.1 95w/ch 6 ohms 0.06%thd @18k

spkr:
mordaunt-short premiere series 15-80w rms 4-8ohms 86db 100-20khz satellite spkrs, 15-80w rms 4-8ohms 86db 100-20khz center spkr, 35-150hz 80w rms active downfire sub @ 20k

energy take 5+1 series 15-100w rms 8ohms 89db satellite spkrs, 15-100w rms 8ohms 89db center spkr, 29-100hz 100w active frontfire sub @ 34k

bose acoustimass 6 series 10 - 150w rms/ch 4-8ohms @ 26k

jbl scs178 10-100w rms 8ohms 86db 35-20khz satellite spkrs, 10-100w rms 8ohms 86db 35-20khz center spkr, 100w active downfire sub @ 25k

i am leaning more towards the onkyo-mordaunt-short combination.  can you give me your opinions and inputs?  would u recommend another rcvr/spkr system under the budget and along the same specs?

thank you in advance!  =)

IMHO, I will go for Denon or Onkyo then use Monitor Audio or Mission speakers.  Among your choices, I will go for JBL or Energy. You could check the Bose thread for more details.  Bose Speakers  (http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=10;action=display;threadid=1722)
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: SOLITUDE on Oct 28, 2003 at 10:35 PM
Wow!  Never expected to have a reply from a moderator.  Thanks levi and av_phile!

Know what guys, I can spend a whole day just reading thru all the threads here in pinoydvd.  I am learning quite a lot about ht stuff.  I think I may have been bitten by the ht bug.  hehe.

Anyway, it seems that there is a lot of following here for the harman/kardon - monitor audio combination.  Is it really that good?

Btw, I know that there is also quite a following here for the onkyo-mordaunt/short combo, how would you compare it with the hk-ma combo in terms of price and quality of sound?  This question goes to everyone.

Thanks!
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: z on Oct 30, 2003 at 10:45 PM
hi aside having good cables and speakers for audio setup.  is it advisable to take off the cover of the speaker to improve sound quality? not so familiar with this thing eh. thanks :)
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile on Oct 31, 2003 at 08:47 AM
hi aside having good cables and speakers for audio setup.  is it advisable to take off the cover of the speaker to improve sound quality? not so familiar with this thing eh. thanks :)
In general, yes.  There are some brands whose covers absorb high frequencies.  For serious extended  listening, whether the cloth coves are transparent or not, I always remove the speaker covers.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile on Oct 31, 2003 at 08:49 AM
Anyway, it seems that there is a lot of following here for the harman/kardon - monitor audio combination.  Is it really that good?

Btw, I know that there is also quite a following here for the onkyo-mordaunt/short combo, how would you compare it with the hk-ma combo in terms of price and quality of sound?  This question goes to everyone.

Thanks!

You'll get different recommendations. What  is OK for one may not be so to another.  This is more subjective and personal than anything.  Suggest you visit some AV shops and audition them and hear the difference for yourself, if any.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: james16 on Oct 31, 2003 at 09:43 AM
You'll get different recommendations. What  is OK for one may not be so to another.  This is more subjective and personal than anything.  Suggest you visit some AV shops and audition them and hear the difference for yourself, if any.

i agree... ;D audition is the best way to find out (consider also the music place, cables and sources)...
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: z on Oct 31, 2003 at 08:43 PM
av_phile,

thanks for the advise i'll try to experiment that on my speaker :)

z
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 05, 2003 at 08:55 AM
Z,

Mas pronouce yun sound especially the high frequency if you remove the cover when listening.. same with vocals.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: H a n $ on Nov 05, 2003 at 09:02 AM
solitude,

Regards to HK/MA combo for us (owners) "da best" ito but its not necessary sir na ok sa iba. 8) ::) auditioning is the key + budget, buy the best sounding paired secondary na yun features whether pre-owned or bNew..  :D :D

Happy auditioning!! ;) :)
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: dunforgiven on Nov 19, 2003 at 12:56 PM
Hey guys... some more dummy-newbie questions here:

1. pag sinabing ang av receiver ay 100 watts, ibig sabihin nun per channel 100 watts sya di ba? hindi 100watts total of all channels?

2. ano ba ang tamang impedance rating ng mga speakers? 8 ba or 6 or 4?

3. ano ang ibig sabihin ng Kevlar Cone? At bakit maganda ito (or maganda nga ba)?
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile on Nov 19, 2003 at 01:06 PM
Hey guys... some more dummy-newbie questions here:

1. pag sinabing ang av receiver ay 100 watts, ibig sabihin nun per channel 100 watts sya di ba? hindi 100watts total of all channels?

2. ano ba ang tamang impedance rating ng mga speakers? 8 ba or 6 or 4?

3. ano ang ibig sabihin ng Kevlar Cone? At bakit maganda ito (or maganda nga ba)?

Stereo  or multi-channel amps are rated on a per channel basis.  If you encounter a power spec that is silent on this, most likely it's total for all channels, unless it's a mono amp.

There are no right or wrong impedances.  It's a matter of matching the amp with the speaker in this regard.

Kevlar is lighter and more rigid than most synthetic materials used as speaker cones.  And it's virtulaly non-resonant.  These are desireable traits in spekaer cones.  Whether they are superior or not  depends on the overall design of a speaker that takes other factors into the equation.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: dunforgiven on Nov 19, 2003 at 01:35 PM
thanks av_phile! follow-up dummy questions:

1. meron bang sub na kevlar cone ang gamit? teka, may cone ba ang subs? sa totoo lang hindi ko alam kung ano yung cone na tinutukoy nyo pero hayaan nyo na

2. what does "bottom-out" mean in terms of subs?

3. meron akong nakitang subs na may butas (port yata ang tawag dun) at merong wala. ano ang mas maganda?
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile on Nov 19, 2003 at 03:51 PM
1. meron bang sub na kevlar cone ang gamit? teka, may cone ba ang subs? sa totoo lang hindi ko alam kung ano yung cone na tinutukoy nyo pero hayaan nyo na

Am not that familar with subs using kevlar cones.  FYI, cones are the conical or domed surfaces in drivers.  The term is used rather than diaphram.

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2. what does "bottom-out" mean in terms of subs?

The expression means the speaker has reached it frequency response buttom limit or lowest

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3. meron akong nakitang subs na may butas (port yata ang tawag dun) at merong wala. ano ang mas maganda?
Ported speaker or sub enclosures give off more bass as the port acts like another driver that reinforces the main driver.  Efficiency is almost doubled.  They are preferred for Home theater but frowned at when it comes to  music.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: dunforgiven on Nov 19, 2003 at 04:08 PM
thanks dude. you're a big help
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: T-850 on Nov 25, 2003 at 11:48 AM
hello guys,

im planning to get a subwoofer with a budget of 5K and below.

can someone please give me some tips on what i have to look for and what brands are better off with my budget?

also, i have no idea as to how subwoofers connect to HT, is it thru my receiver or does it interconnect with the speakers?! LOL!... u guys must really think im so innocent but yes i am new to subwoofers and i want to get one because i want some bass in my HT para complete..

please can someone tutor me.. a brief one cause thiis thread has way too much technical terms i can't quite catch up on..

I'll appreciate any help from the friendly pinoydvd members...      
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: silvreforge on Nov 25, 2003 at 11:53 AM
Hello, I own a DynQuest DQ-12 sub to go with my Yamaha RX-V630 receiver and Yamaha NS-7390 and NS-P60 center and surround speakers.  I am not sure what the difference between the volume and dB settings in the sub are.. can anyone enlighten me on this so i can optimize my sub settings?

btw i don't have an SPL meter so i wouldn't know how to "equalize" it objectively. using my receiver's test tone generator isnt much help kasi i cant tell if the sound in the sub is equal to the sound generated in my speakers.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile on Nov 27, 2003 at 10:23 AM
hello guys,

im planning to get a subwoofer with a budget of 5K and below.

can someone please give me some tips on what i have to look for and what brands are better off with my budget?

also, i have no idea as to how subwoofers connect to HT, is it thru my receiver or does it interconnect with the speakers?! LOL!... u guys must really think im so innocent but yes i am new to subwoofers and i want to get one because i want some bass in my HT para complete..

please can someone tutor me.. a brief one cause thiis thread has way too much technical terms i can't quite catch up on..

I'll appreciate any help from the friendly pinoydvd members...      

The DTS or US AUDIO brand of subs would fit into your budget.  They're made by Dai-ichi and would be a good addition to your HT.  Audition them at the Dai-ichi showrom at SM mega and if you like what ou hear you may want to buy from a shop in Raon St Quiapo selling these as they are cheaper there.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile on Nov 27, 2003 at 10:26 AM
Hello, I own a DynQuest DQ-12 sub to go with my Yamaha RX-V630 receiver and Yamaha NS-7390 and NS-P60 center and surround speakers.  I am not sure what the difference between the volume and dB settings in the sub are.. can anyone enlighten me on this so i can optimize my sub settings?

btw i don't have an SPL meter so i wouldn't know how to "equalize" it objectively. using my receiver's test tone generator isnt much help kasi i cant tell if the sound in the sub is equal to the sound generated in my speakers.

It will really be a hit and miss thing  to set the proper db settings among your speakers and subs without an SPL.  Suggest you borrow one who has.  I think it retails for about 1.5T at radio shack.  
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: T-850 on Nov 27, 2003 at 10:30 AM
The DTS or US AUDIO brand of subs would fit into your budget.  They're made by Dai-ichi and would be a good addition to your HT.  Audition them at the Dai-ichi showrom at SM mega and if you like what ou hear you may want to buy from a shop in Raon St Quiapo selling these as they are cheaper there.

thanks av_phile.. last question.. how are subwoofers connected to the HT? and is it better to place it in a corner angle in the room?
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Weng! on Nov 28, 2003 at 07:04 PM
Mga Gurus,

Another newbie who needs help.

My antique integrated amp died a couple of weeks
ago. Now, I wanted to join the HT fever. I am using
BOSE AM5 on my current set-up and wanted to make use of them in my future HT. After reading briefly on the threads, this is what I have planned to start with.

AVR
I am scouting for AVR's and have narrowed my selections on:
1. ONKYO TX-SR500 or 501
2. Marantz SR4300
3. Denon 1603

Which of the above amp is a performer? I am into 50% music and 50% movies. I can only trust and rely on
your expert ears as I cannot audition them because I
am not from Manila. Papabili ko nalang to sa pinsan
ko dyan once I have decided.

SPEAKERS
1. Where can I use the AM5, for the mains or
surround?
2. What brands of speakers will I get to complete a
5.1 setup? I don't want to buy another BOSE because
of the price. WIll the likes of Wharfedale a match? Simple lang po, yet functional ang habol ko...as a start.
My budget for speakers is only around the Wharfe's
range.
3. Is there a big noticeable incompatibility if the
speakers are not of the same brand?
4. Have been eyeing on the US Audio512L sub. Reviews says it is too boomy on music. Will the overall setup be more boomy if it plays together with the AM5?

Please help, newbie talaga ako dito. Salamat nalang at
merong ganitong site na makukunan ng mga valuable
information.

More power to all pdvd'ers.

Regards,

GneW ;)
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: marvs on Dec 01, 2003 at 09:50 AM
Ano ba pwedeng gamiting wires para sa DVD input ng TV?  Pwede na ba yung mga generic na wires na gamit para sa AV?
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: levi on Dec 02, 2003 at 12:13 AM
You have several options. You can use ordinary, generic, diy, and branded. What is your budget? Are you referring to the component TV ( 3 sets of RCA )input?
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: levi on Dec 02, 2003 at 12:25 AM
Mga Gurus,

Another newbie who needs help.

My antique integrated amp died a couple of weeks
ago. Now, I wanted to join the HT fever. I am using
BOSE AM5 on my current set-up and wanted to make use of them in my future HT. After reading briefly on the threads, this is what I have planned to start with.

AVR
I am scouting for AVR's and have narrowed my selections on:
1. ONKYO TX-SR500 or 501
2. Marantz SR4300
3. Denon 1603

Which of the above amp is a performer? I am into 50% music and 50% movies. I can only trust and rely on
your expert ears as I cannot audition them because I
am not from Manila. Papabili ko nalang to sa pinsan
ko dyan once I have decided.

SPEAKERS
1. Where can I use the AM5, for the mains or
surround?
2. What brands of speakers will I get to complete a
5.1 setup? I don't want to buy another BOSE because
of the price. WIll the likes of Wharfedale a match? Simple lang po, yet functional ang habol ko...as a start.
My budget for speakers is only around the Wharfe's
range.
3. Is there a big noticeable incompatibility if the
speakers are not of the same brand?
4. Have been eyeing on the US Audio512L sub. Reviews says it is too boomy on music. Will the overall setup be more boomy if it plays together with the AM5?

Please help, newbie talaga ako dito. Salamat nalang at
merong ganitong site na makukunan ng mga valuable
information.

More power to all pdvd'ers.

Regards,

GneW ;)

Its hard to say which is better. What could be good for me might not be good for you. For normal users any of the brands will sound good but if you are a critical user then I suggest you have to plan to visit Manila for an audition. Regarding your Bose, I suggest you sell it and get matching front and rear speakers. You dont like a jumbo jet sound at the front and Cessna sound at the back as the sound pan from front to rear. Its not the price but the sound. I would rather get a set of Wharfedales, MA or Mission rather than mizx and match especially with Bose. Just my 1 cent advise.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Weng! on Dec 02, 2003 at 01:01 AM
thanks levi,

bubuhaying ko nalang siguro ang stereo set up ko para magamit ang bose for the meantime. mag-ipon nalang muna for a real HT set-up sa sususnod.

tenks ;)
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: rtsyrtsy on Dec 03, 2003 at 03:05 PM
Mas pronouce yun sound especially the high frequency if you remove the cover when listening.. same with vocals.

Some speakers are designed to be heard without grills.  Sonus Faber is a good example.  Hearing them with grills is an excellent way to kill off the highs and details which can be good if you have bright/harsh electronics.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: rtsyrtsy on Dec 03, 2003 at 03:09 PM
1. pag sinabing ang av receiver ay 100 watts, ibig sabihin nun per channel 100 watts sya di ba? hindi 100watts total of all channels?

Usually, per channel.  But read the fine print.

2. ano ba ang tamang impedance rating ng mga speakers? 8 ba or 6 or 4?

No such thing as correct impedance.  In fact, even if you have speakers of a certain impedance rating, it makes sense to listen to your system at different impedance outputs on the amp.

3. ano ang ibig sabihin ng Kevlar Cone? At bakit maganda ito (or maganda nga ba)?

The goal for manufacturers it to make the cones as stiff and light as possible.  Many materials are used.  Paper is one of the simplest and arguably, great sounding.  Doped paper is another attempt.  Polypropelyne I htink is another.  Monitor Audio and some Acoustic Energy uses metal drivers.

Kevlar doesn't necesarily mean better.  I have yet to hear Kevlar cones I like.  But that's me, your ears can be different.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: rtsyrtsy on Dec 03, 2003 at 03:14 PM
im planning to get a subwoofer with a budget of 5K and below.
 

Either you'd hate me for what I'm about to say or you'd thank me for saving you PhP5k.

Subwoofers are among the most demanding components to design.  The reproduction of low frequencies require a good driver driven by a strong amplifier and housed in a solid cabinet.  Each of these costs money.

Net, a PhP5k sub has serious compromises.  If it were my money, I'd save the PhP5k and go by the addage "no bass is better than bad bass."  If I must spend PhP5k, I'd spend them on CD's or DVD's.

Be patient.

This said, I ain't letting go of my dough for anything less than the entry level REL's.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: fantastic_23 on Dec 05, 2003 at 03:11 PM
Hi I am also new with HT, my questions would be

a) is it possible to have two subs in your system?
b) how will i connect the other sub to my receiver since it has only 1 output for the sub?; do i need an extra amp for this?

tnx
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: levi on Dec 06, 2003 at 12:21 AM
Yes it is possible. Just use a Y connector to connect two active subwoofers.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: fantastic_23 on Dec 08, 2003 at 08:01 AM
thanks levi.... ;)
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: bruce wayne on Dec 09, 2003 at 11:29 PM
go to jbl acoustical space megamall,.... i just bought my home theater there. 38,000, jbl speakers with denon receiver. it's quite a good deal u know, WITH WARRANTY!
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: fantastic_23 on Dec 18, 2003 at 11:16 AM
hello, tanong po ulit...

I want to have a dedicated audio system, and reading through some forums. I might go for the ws tube preamp... since i dont want to hook it up with my receiver. what equipment do i still need in order for my pre amp to work?


thanks....
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Philander on Dec 18, 2003 at 11:18 AM
hello, tanong po ulit...

I want to have a dedicated audio system, and reading through some forums. I might go for the ws tube preamp... since i dont want to hook it up with my receiver. what equipment do i still need in order for my pre amp to work?


thanks....

WS Tube Amp.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: fantastic_23 on Dec 18, 2003 at 11:24 AM
wow bilis, thanks.....would happen to know the price? what speakers would match this system?

isa pa pong tanong, how do you connect all this equipment? which goes where, like where does the cd player connected?

Thanks
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Philander on Dec 18, 2003 at 11:37 AM
wow bilis, thanks.....would happen to know the price? what speakers would match this system?

isa pa pong tanong, how do you connect all this equipment? which goes where, like where does the cd player connected?

Thanks


You'll find more info here:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=10;action=display;threadid=17630;start=420
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: fantastic_23 on Dec 18, 2003 at 11:38 AM
thanks philander!  :)
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: dunforgiven on Dec 18, 2003 at 01:07 PM
boss philander (or anybody), question po:

i read through the different speaker threads na kinokompare nila ang iba't ibang models dahil yung iba mas malakas ang bass, or yung iba mas clear ang highs.

kapag may subwoofer ka ba mapapansin mo pa rin yung mga bass na nilalabas ng mga main speakers? 1 example kasi is the wharfdale 8.1 compared to 8.4. Sabi nila mas ok daw ang bass sa 8.4.... ang sa akin naman, e kung may sub naman, bakit kailangan maganda pa ang bass ng fronts?

dummy question lang po ito, hope somebody can share some intellect  :)
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Philander on Dec 18, 2003 at 09:29 PM
boss philander (or anybody), question po:

i read through the different speaker threads na kinokompare nila ang iba't ibang models dahil yung iba mas malakas ang bass, or yung iba mas clear ang highs.

kapag may subwoofer ka ba mapapansin mo pa rin yung mga bass na nilalabas ng mga main speakers? 1 example kasi is the wharfdale 8.1 compared to 8.4. Sabi nila mas ok daw ang bass sa 8.4.... ang sa akin naman, e kung may sub naman, bakit kailangan maganda pa ang bass ng fronts?

dummy question lang po ito, hope somebody can share some intellect  :)


Depends on your preference.

I can only tell mine. When I'm listening to music, I'm using direct mode (bass management is off, sub is off, all speakers are set to large, tone controls are disabled).


Subwoofers can serve a lot of purpose. Like if you want to help the front speakers to help producing low freq signals, or just to produce LFE, or to match the receiver's crossover for you to not miss any frequency (this is helpful if you have non-full range speakers), etc.

With subwoofer, you can still hear the bass reproduction of front/main speakers. Remember the freq. range of the sub is different from the freq range of front/main (Exaggerated example: consider listening to wide range small drivers only without the midrange and/or woofer).

Full range speakers are the best (rare and expensive); it means you can hear the average human hearing range (20Hz to 20Khz). So even if the speaker contains tweeter, midrange and bass driver, if the frequency response is let say is 60Hz to 20Khz, then where is the 20 to 59Hz frequencies? To compensate, you may want to add subwoofer with below 60Hz freq capability, for you to hear the full range sound (given the source is full range)

So the question is not about if you have sub or not. It’s the frequency range. Receiver-speaker matching pa rin. Either try mo to improve your current system and fill what is being missed or start from scratch.

Given your example, I’ll choose 8.1 with very good subwoofer than 8.4 alone.

I’ll choose 8.4 if I have beefy and POWERFUL amplifier.

Magulo ba? Anyway HTH.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: levi on Dec 19, 2003 at 12:28 AM
hello, tanong po ulit...

I want to have a dedicated audio system, and reading through some forums. I might go for the ws tube preamp... since i dont want to hook it up with my receiver. what equipment do i still need in order for my pre amp to work?




thanks....

Amp - Tube or solid state
Source - CD player, Turntable, Tape deck, SACD, DVDA etc
Wires - interconnects and speaker wires
Speaker - bookshelves, floorstander,subwoofers

Source --- Preamp----Amplifier-----Speakers
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: levi on Dec 19, 2003 at 12:36 AM
boss philander (or anybody), question po:

i read through the different speaker threads na kinokompare nila ang iba't ibang models dahil yung iba mas malakas ang bass, or yung iba mas clear ang highs.

kapag may subwoofer ka ba mapapansin mo pa rin yung mga bass na nilalabas ng mga main speakers? 1 example kasi is the wharfdale 8.1 compared to 8.4. Sabi nila mas ok daw ang bass sa 8.4.... ang sa akin naman, e kung may sub naman, bakit kailangan maganda pa ang bass ng fronts?

dummy question lang po ito, hope somebody can share some intellect  :)

Set your subwoofer to produce bass lower than the main speaker can produce. There are also some frequencies that can be handled better by the main speaker. One advantage is a wider frequency range but more expensive because more equipment to buy. In my case, I bought a floorstander so I dont have to use a subwoofer. It has enough bass for my use. If you are a bass freak then get a subwoofer.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: dunforgiven on Dec 19, 2003 at 07:44 AM
boss philander & boss levi,

muchos gracias for the inputs. ngayon nalinawan na ako  8)
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: T-850 on Dec 19, 2003 at 02:06 PM
guys heres what i have, its a little "antique" and i really want to start my HT hobby:

Receiver: Yamaha RXV1070 (it was bought last 1993 pa, with pro logic)

Speakers: BMB speakers (front)
Rear speakers: Jensen

Recently my yamaha receiver produces lower sounds than the usual and is now producing cloudy/static sounds, but you can still hear the sounds from the movie/music. Please note, this is the right and left front channel, the sound from the rears are just fine.

Do you have any idea why this happened?  ???

I'm thinking its because of my latest dvd craze, the receiver  couldn't keep up with the volume!  ???

And can you guys comment on the equipment i have.. give me an analysis please and recommend me whatever you can.

Are the speakers that I have OK?

Also, there this delay time button in the receiver, what is this for?  ???  ::)
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: KEN on Dec 31, 2003 at 09:52 PM
Mga bossing,yung receiver ko ay my preout for Main,Center and Rear channel paano ko ba ito gagamitin to increase the power ng setup ko(RXV-800)?

TIA
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Philander on Jan 01, 2004 at 08:27 PM
Mga bossing,yung receiver ko ay my preout for Main,Center and Rear channel paano ko ba ito gagamitin to increase the power ng setup ko(RXV-800)?

TIA

Buy power amplifiers for center and rear channels. Let the receiver power (to concentarte) the main speakers.

If you want, you can also buy another power amplifier for the main channels.

Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: KEN on Jan 05, 2004 at 08:39 PM
bossing Philander ngayon ko lang kita sagot mo...paano ba yon sir yung output ng receiver ko halimbawa is 100 watts per channel (5 channels); tapos I add a power amplifier na rated 150 watts per channel (2 channels only) and connect my receiver's main/front  magigi bang  100+150 yung front/main ko or 150 watts lang. ?


TIA
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Philander on Jan 06, 2004 at 09:17 AM
bossing Philander ngayon ko lang kita sagot mo...paano ba yon sir yung output ng receiver ko halimbawa is 100 watts per channel (5 channels); tapos I add a power amplifier na rated 150 watts per channel (2 channels only) and connect my receiver's main/front  magigi bang  100+150 yung front/main ko or 150 watts lang. ?


TIA


It will be 100 (x2) + 150 (x2). Receiver and power amp will power two sets of speakers simultaneously.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: KEN on Jan 07, 2004 at 09:01 PM
thanks sir philander...bali two sets of main speakers pala isang 150w at 100w kala ko kasi magiging 150+100 watts sa isang set ng speaker... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Philander on Jan 07, 2004 at 09:07 PM
thanks sir philander...bali two sets of main speakers pala isang 150w at 100w kala ko kasi magiging 150+100 watts sa isang set ng speaker... ;D ;D ;D

Pwede but not advisable, as long na you'll connect it to a speakers that can handle such power and in correct total impedance range.

Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Daemon_Seraphim on Jan 15, 2004 at 02:56 PM
What's the importance of bi-wiring the speakers? Do all speakers suport this?  

1. What are the benefits of bi-wiring speakers? Would it make any diff if you didn't?

@. How does this happen?
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 15, 2004 at 05:05 PM
What's the importance of bi-wiring the speakers? Do all speakers suport this?  

1. What are the benefits of bi-wiring speakers? Would it make any diff if you didn't?

@. How does this happen?

Some excellent speakers from respected names do not support bi-wiring as they don;t believe it makes any  sonic difference.

There are audiophiles who scoff at the idea of bi-wiring as another snake oil.  And there are those who claim they hear sonic difference.  I guess you can always experiment to hear if there are differences.  Personally, i just bi-wire as it effectively doubles the wire-gauge i am using.  

You ma want to chekc this site

http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/audio/biwire/Page1.html

Here;s another site

http://www.audioholics.com/FAQs/000524_biamping_biwiring.php
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Daemon_Seraphim on Jan 20, 2004 at 02:46 AM
For example your speakers (let's say MA's  B2) is rated at 6 ohm impedance. Is this nominal only?

Can the 8 ohm impedance receivers drive this B2 without any hassles in the short term or long term. Wala bang equipment na bibigay pag ganito?
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: nels76 on Jan 20, 2004 at 06:28 AM

D_S,

Read this link

http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=10;action=display;threadid=1615;start=80
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: jerix on Jan 22, 2004 at 08:55 AM
whats the reason of the speaker wire's silver and copper strands? are these designed or intended to go for a particular polarity of the speaker?-- thnx ::)
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 22, 2004 at 09:09 AM
I believe they are just there to distinguish between the positive and negative.  Either can go to whichever polarity you prefer.  I have a gauge 12 pair like those and I just use the silver-tined copper for the positive and plain copper for negative.  Others use it the other way around.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: jerix on Jan 22, 2004 at 09:50 AM
av_phile thnx for the response-- ;D

actually i happened to read before, somewhere here, about the discussion on which of the two (silver / copper) is the better conductor, thats y i came to ask that.

i also noticed from my old speaker wire that the other strand of wire is thinner. is there a reason for this? thnx again
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 22, 2004 at 12:04 PM
Silver is only about 7% better in electrical conductivity.  And those silver-looking wires may actually be silver tinned or plated.

If in doubt, use the thicker gauge for the positive.  Silver wires, dur to their better conductivity, can be one gauge lower.  

Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: nels76 on Jan 22, 2004 at 03:08 PM

What sound improvement can a Source CD Player makes to overall sound reproduction if it is only connected to the amplifier digitally?

I am eyeing a particular brand of DVD Player and will use it also as a CD Player (No budget for a dedicated one). From my research, that brand is good when it comes to audio CD playback quality, but, I noticed that it does not have Stereo Analog out. It will just pass the digital signal to the receiver (Coax or Toslink)

Does Digital Signal have distinct characteristics which may differ from player to player?
Title: Heeeelp: Audio Set-up
Post by: kid on Jan 26, 2004 at 03:54 PM
Members of PinoyDVD:

I want to set-up an entry level for audio. I have a pair of whf 8.3 speaker currently used for my HT set-up. If i will buy an integrated amp, what brand would u guys suggest specifically for rock music? What cables/interconnect shall i use? Also, give me an idea on what to look for good amps and speaker combination for future upgrade.  ;D
Title: Re:Heeeelp: Audio Set-up
Post by: BuLLeT on Jan 26, 2004 at 03:58 PM
Please provide your budget range for the amp so that people can suggests amps for that price range.

There is a ROTEL RA02 for sale at the "Buy & Sell" Section.  

Great amp. at an even greater price. ;D
Title: Re:Heeeelp: Audio Set-up
Post by: Philander on Jan 26, 2004 at 04:08 PM
For Integrated amp, check Pier for such.
Title: Re:Heeeelp: Audio Set-up
Post by: kid on Jan 26, 2004 at 05:28 PM
I intend to buy the nad 304 being sold here in the buy n sell section. is it ok for starters like me?
Title: Re:Heeeelp: Audio Set-up
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 27, 2004 at 09:28 AM
I intend to buy the nad 304 being sold here in the buy n sell section. is it ok for starters like me?

I don't see any reason why not.  It's a good brand.
Title: Re:Heeeelp: Audio Set-up
Post by: kid on Jan 27, 2004 at 03:31 PM
I don't see any reason why not.  It's a good brand.

tnx 4 ur advice..... ill check first other brands, audition them so that i will know what my ear wants to hear hehe
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Daemon_Seraphim on Feb 03, 2004 at 03:42 AM
I read some threads/topics with regard to continous power of certain receivers...

  What does this mean?

 I also know of one brand here that people are talking about is Harman Kardon (and its line of receivers e.g. AVR 130 and AVR 330) that provide continous power. Is there an advantage?

Can it drive most of the speakers out there ( 6 ohm and 8 ohm impedance) ?

What receivers do you know of aside from HK that provides continous power to all of the channels?

Can you list some of the receivers that don't provide you with that kind of power such as that of HK?
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: mixx on Feb 03, 2004 at 07:31 AM
basically continous power is the same as RMS power rating (it is the amount of power that a reciever could produce w/out clipping)


I read some threads/topics with regard to continous power of certain receivers...

  What does this mean?

 I also know of one brand here that people are talking about is Harman Kardon (and its line of receivers e.g. AVR 130 and AVR 330) that provide continous power. Is there an advantage?

Can it drive most of the speakers out there ( 6 ohm and 8 ohm impedance) ?

What receivers do you know of aside from HK that provides continous power to all of the channels?

Can you list some of the receivers that don't provide you with that kind of power such as that of HK?
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 03, 2004 at 01:32 PM
Can it drive most of the speakers out there ( 6 ohm and 8 ohm impedance) ?

What receivers do you know of aside from HK that provides continous power to all of the channels?

Can you list some of the receivers that don't provide you with that kind of power such as that of HK?

All amps and receivers provide continuous power that as per standards should be stated at a speaker load, say 6 ohms, often at  8 ohms,  and across the entire audible audio frequencies, 20 Hz to 20Khz.on a per channle basis. Hence, whether HK, Yamaha, Denon or some other respectable brand, you shouuld see in the technical spec section of the user manual something like this:

Continuous Power per channel:  100 watts RMS at 8 ohms, 20Hz - 20Khz.


Variant:

100 watts RMS continuous into 8 Ohms per channel, from 20Hz to 20Khz.

Many high currrent recievers and amps specific their continuous power rating into 2ohm, 4 ohms in addtion to 8 ohms.  Recievers and amps that do not specify their power  rating other than 8 ohms mean that you should use only 8 ohm speakers to avoid the risk of damaging either amo or speaker.

There are some respectable brands who deviate from this standard and specify the continuous power rating something like this:

100 watts RMS continuous into 8 ohms at 1Khz.

Not indicative of real power that is continuous. many amp can have a higher power rating in the mid-frequencies.  Hence, real continuous power across all the audible frequencies is lower, maybe about 20% lower.

Other recievers and amps that ride on the conmercial appeal of "high power"  make use of the PMPO or PeakMusic Power which has no definitive technical meaning, but more a makerting hype.  Just don't give any importance to ads and banners that speak of 1000 watts PMPO or 10,000 watss PMPO.  I assure you, an HK amp delivering 100 watts RMS per channel will sound a lot more dynamic and  powerful than those touing their power n the thousands in PMPO.

Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Chico on Feb 05, 2004 at 04:38 PM
bro patanong naman. i got a ch2.1 speakers bundled with my old vcd player. kaso, de-ipit. can i convert it for me to connect it to the jacks. gusto ko snang gamitin pansamantala sa bblhin kong dvd player.

k lang ba 2 sa dvd player with ch5.1 audio output.

sna naunawaan nyo terminology ko, bgo lang kc ako sa speaker.

salamat ng marami! mabuhay!
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 06, 2004 at 06:03 PM
bro patanong naman. i got a ch2.1 speakers bundled with my old vcd player. kaso, de-ipit. can i convert it for me to connect it to the jacks. gusto ko snang gamitin pansamantala sa bblhin kong dvd player.

k lang ba 2 sa dvd player with ch5.1 audio output.

sna naunawaan nyo terminology ko, bgo lang kc ako sa speaker.

salamat ng marami! mabuhay!

I pressume your older VCD player has built-in amplifiers for a 2.1 speaker set-up.  If your DVD player also has bullt-in amps for a 5.1 speaker connection. you can just use your existing 2.1 speakers for the fronts.  But most of the DVD players out there with built-in 5.1 amps are your typical HTIB (HT In a Box) that also comes bundled with a 5.1 speaker set.  So your esisting speakers may be redundant.  And your concern na de-ipit yung connection, i pressume you are referring to the spring-loaded speaker terminals at the back of the VCD player.  I am almost certain all HTIBs have the same speaker terminals.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Quitacet on Feb 06, 2004 at 06:08 PM
I tried it also -- connecting my VCD speakers to my DVD player using pinjacks -- but wala tunog na lalabas. Yun nga ang dahilan, tama si av_phile1, kailangan may built-in amp yung player mo para tumunog. O kaya naman bibili ka ng amp.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: kimpOy on Feb 11, 2004 at 08:42 AM
pwde bang nag 5.1 ako the other way around

fronts-matrixed
rear
rear center
sub
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Philander on Feb 11, 2004 at 12:00 PM
pwde bang nag 5.1 ako the other way around

fronts-matrixed
rear
rear center
sub



So far wala pang receiver na capabale nito
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: KEN on Feb 12, 2004 at 06:30 PM
Mga bosing  saan ba mas maganda ang center speaker sa itass or ibaba ng TV set... kasi yung dati kong center pwede patong lang sa ibabaw ng TV but yung bago medyo mabigat at malaki (LCR60 - 11kG).I did try it na sa TV stand (below the TV) kaso parang mas maganda pa tunog noong(IMHO) dati kong center(Canton AV700) na naka patong lang sa TV. or  need to break in the new speaker kasi 2 days old palang sya.


TIA
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: cousin skeeter on Feb 13, 2004 at 01:02 PM
break in lang siguro kailangan dyan pre. although MA yung speakers ko, the center took a loooong time to break-in. when i got it, parang hindi sya match sa fronts ko even though MA center din.but now ok na. even in music when i set my avr to 3 channel or prologic 2, musical na rin pati center ko.
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: kane on Feb 14, 2004 at 12:20 PM
 ???
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: greatbop on Feb 14, 2004 at 12:48 PM
wih that budget, you're pretty much stuck with Home Theater in a Boxes.


(HTiB). check out the HTiB thread for suggestions.
Title: Re:Recommend an audio set-up
Post by: MiniCooper on Feb 14, 2004 at 01:21 PM
hi!  im a newbie when it comes to this.  Wanna build sana an entry level audio set-up.  What components do i need?  How much kaya budget?  pwede na ba 30-35K?  What kind of speakers?  I have no idea talaga eh.  Recommend naman kayo oh.   :)  

Im not really an audiophile, I dont have a trained ear nga when it comes to sound, just want to have a system in my room for music.  Btw, maliit lang yung room, mga 12x12 feet.

Thanks guys,  hope you can help me.   ;D


I think you can still come up with a decent Audio Setup with that money.  You may use around 10K for bookshelf speakers (ex. Wharfdale's) and use the 20K for an Amp, CD player and cables.  

Cannot say much about prices and brands available as I am offshore.  Do check out the listings from pinoydvd members who are selling used gears. You see a lot of great gears exchanging hands here in pinoydvd.

btw, you may also opt for a good micro system.  I got myself the Onkyo MC35TECH for our bedroom and it only cost me $350.

just my 2 cents..
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: H a n $ on Feb 14, 2004 at 01:31 PM
Ken,

if you plan to place your center speaker below you tv better tilt the speaker upward and align to your ears so that the sound will not be lower and para clear din..
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: BuLLeT on Feb 14, 2004 at 01:36 PM
You can try auditioning booksheslves from MIssion,Monitor Audio,AE, Wharfedale, MS or any other brand that you can listen to.

Discern what sounds pleases you most and then you can begin to hunt for the amp. (SS or Tube) to match with your speakers.

As mentioned above, you can try the buy & sell section for quality used gears.
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: H a n $ on Feb 14, 2004 at 01:40 PM
bluestreak,

BTW do you already have a TV, and DVD player o yun 35K budget eh wla pa??

Kung meron ka na.. try to look at the buy and sell section for your AVR meron dun 10k to 19k, I suggest HK brand meron pa atang 2550 and 1550 models, for speaker you can get 13 to 14K speaker package kay Nirvblakr i think they have a 5.1 setup speakers na or go for Wharfdale diamond series.. 8.3, or the ( WH-1 set center / surround )..
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: KEN on Feb 14, 2004 at 02:24 PM
Thanks Hans&France,Cousin skeeter youre maybe both right I need the  speaker to give sometime to break in and tilting it upward is really a good idea....


thanks again...
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: kane on Feb 14, 2004 at 09:14 PM
thank for your replies.  yung 30-35K (if thats enough) is for stereo setup lang.  tama ba?  not gonna watch movies w/ it, separate pa yung HT.  thanks!
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: Archangel on Feb 14, 2004 at 11:11 PM
thank for your replies.  yung 30-35K (if thats enough) is for stereo setup lang.  tama ba?  not gonna watch movies w/ it, separate pa yung HT.  thanks!

From one newbie to another, I would really suggest that you save up more.  Don't be in too much of a hurry since hasty purchases could mean short and costly upgrade cycles. In the meantime you can research and audition to your heart's content.  

If you really must spend now, get good quality speakers that you can use in the meantime in your HT setup, assuming there is one.
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: downtown on Feb 14, 2004 at 11:59 PM
If you're lokking for a simple setup, the Denon DM-31 is available here for around 23K, i think. It's a highly rated micro system that uses Missions speakers, and includes a CD player, a MD player can be added.
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: Archangel on Feb 15, 2004 at 09:06 AM
This would be my system if I were starting from scratch:

NAD cd player 521BEE~15K
Tono preamp-12.8 bnew  
Hafler power amp~15K used
Monitor Audio B2~11.7K bnew
Analysis Plus cables~15K (2 ICs, 1 8-foot pair Clear Ovals)]
Mang Jun speaker stands~4K
Yaden AVR~2.K
Component rack~3K for a ACE hardware rack

Total~78.5

The cables are expensive but keepers that should last several upgrades.  There are alternatives that should save you at least a few thousand.  The tono and Hafler combo offer the flexibility of tubes and power for the B2s.  Alternatively you can get for roughly the same price an all tube WS setup using the 2A3 amp.  Or if you want to simplify things even further a NAD C370 for 30K would be a good solid state amp to get you feet wet with enough power for the B2s. The B2s are still the best buy speakers under 20K for me especially since positioning is crucial for the AE Aegis 1.  

If you go the integrated amp route, then you save the cost of an interconnect (2-5K). If you can wait for the Wiredstate integrated amp then that should save you another 15K.  The estimated cost then would just be a shade over 58K.

The major considerations behind these choices are my room which is small and my listening preferences which run the length of the spectrum from heavy metal to jazz vocals and the occasional classical music.

Other people here are more experienced and could perhaps offer cheaper alternatives such buying used equipment.  Somebody is having a moving out sale at the wiredstate.com's marketplace and there are several combos at the buy and sell section.  That NAD C350 is especially tempting even if you use the power amp section only with the tono.  

Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: BuLLeT on Feb 15, 2004 at 12:45 PM
If you want to start with a minimalist set up, you can begin with :

An integrated amp
  - tube (Wired State DIY project/AMX) 15K or less
  - SS - NAD or ROTEL (Check the buy & sell Section)

CD Player
  - Your choice if second hand or brand new

A pair of speakers
  - bookshelf/standmount
  - floorstander

IC
- from DIY to exotic

And Good softwares hehehe

Then enjoy the music and the experience. ;D

 
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: Archangel on Feb 15, 2004 at 06:21 PM
thanks archangel!

dami pala components.   :o  pero ok lang.  but wala bang medyo minimalist ang dating?

I would really go after that NAD C350 in the buy and sell section and then pair it with a Harman Kardon HD 750 cd player if one is still available.  The cost of this pair is only 23K!
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: arthurallanj on Feb 16, 2004 at 12:48 PM
bro Ken,
nabasa ko kasi sa librong How To Build Your Own Home Theater, that it's best to place your center speakers below your tv, as long of course that your tv is also placed on an ideal height. The base of your tv being 2-3ft above the floor. Although, manufacturers recommend them being placed on top, it's just for convenience and it would, of course, be easier to place them on top of the tv than to build a shelf for the center speaker below the tv. But never forget that it would be most ideal if the center speaker is placed on the same level of your front speakers, meaning the tweeter of your center speaker should be on the same level of your front speakers' tweeters, if that's imposibble to achieve, they should not a exceed a difference of 60 cms. between them. You could learn more of this at www.dolby.com. TC.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: KEN on Feb 16, 2004 at 02:41 PM
Thanks Arthurallanj I Think I really need to read/research tungkol dito sa bisyo natin...bigat na sa bulsa aral kapa he...he...he  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: Jayem Ares on Feb 16, 2004 at 10:23 PM
hi newbie din ako.

gusto ko rin sana mag set ng audio system for movies in my room.

pwede po ba paunti-unti ang bili/dagdag ng speakers para sa receivers like, front speakers lang muna then saka na ang para sa rear.

... ano po ba ibig sabihin ng tube amp?

Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: darkwing on Feb 17, 2004 at 02:57 AM
hi newbie din ako.

gusto ko rin sana mag set ng audio system for movies in my room.

pwede po ba paunti-unti ang bili/dagdag ng speakers para sa receivers like, front speakers lang muna then saka na ang para sa rear.


Yup, that is what I'm planning to do, buy a good pair of front speakers and a receiver first..
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 17, 2004 at 10:19 AM

... ano po ba ibig sabihin ng tube amp?



These are amps that use vaccum tubes as opposed to solid state amps that use transistors as active parts in the amplification process.  Tube or valve amos were the percussors of solid state amps, reaching their peak production sometime in the 50s and early 60s when transistors became the fashion and gradually assumed the roles of vacumm tubes in sound amplifcation.  All receivers and amps you find in many consumer electronic shops these days are solid state devices.  If you happen to find a tube amp, they're mostly antiques or preowned ones with a few newly produced units from speciality manufacturers and priced heftily.  
Title: Re:Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: BuLLeT on Feb 17, 2004 at 01:20 PM
hi newbie din ako.

gusto ko rin sana mag set ng audio system for movies in my room.

pwede po ba paunti-unti ang bili/dagdag ng speakers para sa receivers like, front speakers lang muna then saka na ang para sa rear.

... ano po ba ibig sabihin ng tube amp?



Of course pwedeng pwede. You can start by setting a budget for yourself and then audition as many gears as you can.

Then narrow your choices to what you prefer and what your budget can achieve.

An AVR, a pair of speakers and a DVD player can get you started. ;D

Good Luck!
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: berniebau on Feb 19, 2004 at 11:44 PM
Question: How about the length of your speaker cables? Lalo na yung Fronts and Center, I heard dapat daw magkasing haba. Malaki ba ang epekto kapag malaki ang difference? Maapektohan ba nya yung DELAY settings sa receiver?  Eto mas simpleng tanong.. Yung Left and Right Channel ba dapat parehas ang length ng speakers? Kasi paano kapag nasa isang side yung AVR mo at wala sa gitna. tska yung surrounds sa isang side lang naman ng pader nakalatag ang cable. makalat kasi at mahal kung sobra sobra ang speaker wire.   Naisip ko lang kung ano anu ang iba't iba nating paniniwala. 8)
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: alfred on Feb 20, 2004 at 12:21 AM
berniebau:::Although equal LR peaker cable would be ideal, having uneven length to some "extent" is acceptable. Delay adjustments depends upon the distance of your speakers, usually the center and the rear from the listener.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 20, 2004 at 02:23 PM
Having equal cable lengths for all your speakers is recommeneded.  I do it just for peace of mind.  Tehnically, distance matters when talking of wire impedances.  But we're talking kilometric here.  So, unless your left and right speakers are separated by the enture length of the US congress building, a few feet of cable inequalities won't matter.  
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: slowhand on Feb 20, 2004 at 02:39 PM
In my setup, my left surround speaker's wire is longer by two meters (because the amp is on one side of the room). I thought it wouldn't make much difference. But I found out that I had to increase its level by 1db relative to the right surround.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: berniebau on Feb 20, 2004 at 02:53 PM
Pareho tayo av_phile, for peace of mind.. parehas na lang ang left and right.  Although in my mind, a difference of (kahit siguro) >5m is negligible.  Kaya lang sa experience ni slowhand 2m pa lang iba na.  

Slowhand: Did you hear the diference talaga, o gumamit ka ng SPL meter o something?
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: slowhand on Feb 20, 2004 at 04:13 PM
Slowhand: Did you hear the diference talaga, o gumamit ka ng SPL meter o something?

As measured by SPL meter, which confirmed my listening impressions.

Edit to add: That is my specific experience. You'd have to measure your system to find out how different-length cables might sound. Cheers.

Edit to add: Just checked my construction notes and the left surround wire is 4 meters longer, not 2 as earlier reported. And +1db is correct.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: alfred on Feb 21, 2004 at 12:26 AM
slowhand's experience could be due the to room acoustics iregularities, kind of cables used, AVR's outputs (factory calibration) or a combination for the latter.
as what av_phile1 has said, we are talking about kilometers here. I would rather cut the speaker wires to size rather than expose it to other RF which it could pickup.

my two cent.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Koolkat on Feb 22, 2004 at 04:44 PM
hi guys! I'm kinda new here and I really need some help.  I recently bought a promac 5.1 home theater system in raon. I t was working perfectly the first few uses.  But after my third movie the sound on the front left speaker started to fade out .  I thought that one of the cables just got loose.  But when I checked it out there were no problems with the connection.  When we returned it to raon yesterday my dad said it was working perfectly fine.  But when we tried to set it up again , same result.it still wasnt working.  Sme thing happend to the xenon 2.1 speakers I bought previously.  It was woking perfectly the first few uses and then one of the speakers started to fade out.  When we brought it toa repair shop they said it was fine.  But when we hooked it up again same thing happened.  I'm really getting frustrated.  Is there something wrong with the connections.  I mean I am following the instructions properly so there shouldnt be any problem.  Besides, it wouldnt work in the first place if I wasn't doing correct thing.  I'm not really a techie so I was wondering if any of you have any answers to my questions.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: levi on Feb 23, 2004 at 12:13 AM
It might be your DVD player.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Koolkat on Feb 23, 2004 at 03:22 PM
Yes.  I already returned the dvd player and they replaced it with a new one.  I'M going to test it out this evening.  Thanks :)
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Koolkat on Feb 23, 2004 at 04:03 PM
Hey, I have another question.  I just read the difference between dolby surround and dolby digital 5.1.  If a DVD movie doesnt support the dolby digital 5.1, does this mean that it will only play on four speakers even though I have a 5.1 home theater system?  Because I'm thinking that maybe that was the problem I was having when I was watching Tears of the Sun (R3).  The front left speaker wasn't working.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 23, 2004 at 04:56 PM
Yes and no.  A dolby surround would have a pro-logic encoded material that is just using 4 channels, while a Dolby Digital in 5.1 (some Dolby Digital encoded disc are in mono or stereo depending on the masters used) uses discreet 5 channels plus LFE.

But that doesn't mean the left front speakers may not work.  In either formats, or in any format for that matter, BOTH L and R front speakers should be working. In dolby surround or prologic, the surround channel is in mono.  While in dobly digital 5.1, the surround channels are usually in stereo.  But you should have the complete front channels.  
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Koolkat on Feb 23, 2004 at 05:11 PM
Thanks.  That just confirms na sira talaga yung nabili kung unit.  Kahit ganong higpit ang gawin ko sa mga connections, hindi talaga tumutonog e.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: gren on Feb 24, 2004 at 11:54 AM
I'm not sure if this has been posted, but I've been looking around and found this nice resource in whathifi:

http://www.whathifi.com/soundadvice.asp

dealing with topics ranging from basic, to technical to common sense.  This is probably a good read for a lot of us:

http://www.whathifi.com/newsMainTemplate.asp?storyID=37&newssectionID=3

have fun.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Jayem Ares on Feb 24, 2004 at 09:05 PM
pwede po ba A/V ang receiver for listening cds?
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: MiniCooper on Feb 25, 2004 at 08:46 AM
pwede po ba A/V ang receiver for listening cds?

definitely!  a lot of the newer A/V receivers are very good in this area.  matching the speakers, source and cable is the key.  :)
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: slowhand on Feb 25, 2004 at 09:13 AM
gren,

that's a great link, better than most "advice" columns. Much of it is already common knowledge but the one about "Upgrading: When to Stop" should be mandatory reading for all of us, hehe.
Title: Beginner Inquiries
Post by: docbacky on Feb 25, 2004 at 06:11 PM
I am new in setting up my HT. What are the advantages and the disadvantages of having a:

A) 6.1 set up
B) 5.1 set up
C) 2 channel set up

What is the least expensive but quality AVR that one can get in setting up a HT?

Thank you...
Title: Re:Beginner Inquiries
Post by: greatbop on Feb 25, 2004 at 08:45 PM
a and b:) the advantage of 6.1 is having a back surround channel. if your left and right surrounds are too far apart from each other, you'd sometimes lose a bit of imaging there. the back surround takes care of that.

c:) a sony or kenwood receiver is as cheap i'll go. And even then the cheaper ones are mostly good for satellite speakers upto smallish bookshelves lang.

Title: Re:Beginner Inquiries
Post by: greatbop on Feb 25, 2004 at 08:48 PM
about 2 channel setuo:

tha'ts how music is intended to be played back. and that's how you should listen to it.



Title: Re:Beginner Inquiries
Post by: vinnov4 on Feb 25, 2004 at 09:08 PM
Or kung budget user ka try amplified 5.1 speakers. Check out the rongxin thread.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Chico on Feb 26, 2004 at 12:53 PM
1st set...

how will i know if a dvd player has a dts decoder or none? im asking this coz i got the chance to audition the daewoo 802 dvd player. ive noticed that the player doesn't carry a dts logo neither sorround or out, only dolby digital. so i presumed that it only has an ac-3(DD) decoder. but to my biggest surprise, when i open the audio menu, it contains 3 options, ac3 5.1, dts 5.1 & stereo, so which is which?
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Chico on Feb 26, 2004 at 01:01 PM
2nd set ...

what happen if i play dvd's encoded in dts with the player that has no dts decoder?  will the output be in stereo sound, in DD or none at all? pls help.

thanks.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 26, 2004 at 02:53 PM
2nd set:

All DVDs that I know of are endoded with DD as their default multi-channel audio format. Though some are in mono or stereo only depending on the film master.

 A DVD with DTS encoding should still play as it usually has a DD track which the player senses and will play only the DD track or, if you choose, the 2 ch PCM track which is standard for all players.  Exceptions are the Columbia/Tristar SupertBit labels, most of which have  DTS tracks only.  So you may not hear any sound.


 1st set

f a player has a DTS option in its menu, the player may have an internal decoder or at the very least, pass the DTS signal out its digital terminal.  Not putting the logo on the face may just be a manufacturing oversight.  You can always test by playing the DTS tracks on the DVD.  If you can hear sound in a set-up with analog connection between the player and the receiver, then it has built-in DTS decoder.  Otheriwse, there's none.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Chico on Feb 26, 2004 at 04:26 PM
thanks av_phile1.

can i just test the dts decoding functionality by selecting dts ch5.1 in the audio menu-->inserting a dvd that carries a dts logo only? if its yield a sound then it has a decoder, if it's none, there r 2 things, first it only has dts output & 2ndly no decoder at all. tama ba ako bro? wla kc akong amplifier.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 26, 2004 at 05:09 PM
Yup, you got it.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: PaulNikki on Mar 04, 2004 at 07:16 AM
Hi! I'm a real newbie here. Kung bibili po ba ako ng Dai-ichi na DTX kailangan ko pa po ba ng a/v/ receiver or amplifier. Ang DVD player ko kasi ay Promac 4808 at meron syang output sa likod na 5.1. Kung bibili ba ako ng speaker na 5.1 na Dai-ichi kailangan pa ba amps. Thanks
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: onedown on Mar 04, 2004 at 08:53 AM
PaulNikki, not familiar with the model of your dvd player. but if it is a stand-alone player, then you will be needing a receiver or an amp.

the outputs of stand-alone dvd players can't drive the speakers properly.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Mar 04, 2004 at 10:29 AM
Hi! I'm a real newbie here. Kung bibili po ba ako ng Dai-ichi na DTX kailangan ko pa po ba ng a/v/ receiver or amplifier. Ang DVD player ko kasi ay Promac 4808 at meron syang output sa likod na 5.1. Kung bibili ba ako ng speaker na 5.1 na Dai-ichi kailangan pa ba amps. Thanks

Am also not familiar with the RPomac model.  How do you use your DVD player?  How is it connected now?
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Philander on Mar 04, 2004 at 11:47 AM
Hi! I'm a real newbie here. Kung bibili po ba ako ng Dai-ichi na DTX kailangan ko pa po ba ng a/v/ receiver or amplifier. Ang DVD player ko kasi ay Promac 4808 at meron syang output sa likod na 5.1. Kung bibili ba ako ng speaker na 5.1 na Dai-ichi kailangan pa ba amps. Thanks

Yes you still need amplifer or receiver unless if the package you will buy from Daichi or DTX is their HTIB (meaning 5.1 amplied with active subwoofer).
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: PaulNikki on Mar 06, 2004 at 12:29 AM
Am also not familiar with the RPomac model.  How do you use your DVD player?  How is it connected now?

Nakakabit lang siya sa TV ko na Sony AR21N60 using the generic cable. Ang sound nga pala ng TV ay 10w each.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Mar 06, 2004 at 01:25 PM
If the 5.1 dai-ichi model is self-powered, then you can connect this directly to the dvd player via its 5.1 analog RCA outs. Otherwise you would need a 5.1 HT receiver.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: PaulNikki on Mar 06, 2004 at 05:00 PM
Thanks. so una ko palang gagawin is to scout for an affordable receiver. then piecemeal ko bibilin ang dtx or bibili na lamang ako ng mga daiichi na htib.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: rav7118 on Mar 09, 2004 at 01:50 PM
mga tol, newbie din po.

pwede ko bang gamitin/ikabit ang speakers (2) ng compo (kenwood) sa tv (sharp with subs) para magkaroon ng semblance ng ht sound? kung pwede paano po ba ito? tnx
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: dunforgiven on Mar 09, 2004 at 03:45 PM
mga tol, newbie din po.

pwede ko bang gamitin/ikabit ang speakers (2) ng compo (kenwood) sa tv (sharp with subs) para magkaroon ng semblance ng ht sound? kung pwede paano po ba ito? tnx

pwede kung merong left and right audio out yung tv mo, pero even if, i doubt if you'll get a semblance of what HT is with this setup
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: rav7118 on Mar 10, 2004 at 08:56 AM
tnx dunforgiven,

mukhang mag-iipon na lang ako para makabili ng ht set-up (he!he!).
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: BJMP on Mar 16, 2004 at 09:24 AM
How about mga Sir if i'm using a old dolby pro-logic receiver, do i need to go on V type (like Rear Speaker output should be higher than the front Speaker, and center speaker should lower than the Front Speaker)? or let it be flat? TIA

BJMP
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: KEN on Mar 18, 2004 at 04:53 PM
Mga Bossing...I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this question pero post ko na rin.

Ano ba sir ang ibig sabihin nong 3 char. code sa label ng mga Cd's. Something to do yata with the way the CD was recorded pero di ko sigurado baka pwedeng paki post  naman ang mga differences ng nga ibat ibang codes...


TIA
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Philander on Mar 18, 2004 at 05:14 PM
Mga Bossing...I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this question pero post ko na rin.

Ano ba sir ang ibig sabihin nong 3 char. code sa label ng mga Cd's. Something to do yata with the way the CD was recorded pero di ko sigurado baka pwedeng paki post  naman ang mga differences ng nga ibat ibang codes...


TIA


Analog (A) or digital (D) recording equipment was used in the recording, mixing and mastering sessions

Like DDD - Digital ang ginamit sa entire recording, mixing to mastering.

AAD - Analog Recording and mixing; Digital ang mastering

ADD - Analog ang Recording; Digital ang mixing and mastering sessions

More info here:
http://www.rogernichols.com/EQ/EQ_91-10.html
Title: Help!(newbie)
Post by: pages on Mar 19, 2004 at 04:40 AM
hello,

I'm sorry but I don't know much yet about speakers but I'd love to have 5.1 speaker system. I have several questions:

1. I heard that there are active and passive speakers, what's their difference?

2. I've seen DVD players, specially those new ones with DTS decoder already. How can I achieve a 5.1 experience if my DVD player doesn't have a DTS decoder? (actually my DVD player is a PS2)

3. Is there a 5.1 speaker system that has only 2 inputs(left and right) and not 6 coming from DVD player that has DTS decoder?

4. Is there a 5.1 speaker system that has a DTS decoder? If so, what brands and models are these and where can I get them? (I'm looking for a low-end only. ex. nextbase) :)

I know guys that my questions is redundant, only asked in different angles... but I don't know how to ask it the right and efficient way.

thanks in advance guys. :)
Title: Re:Help!(newbie)
Post by: arthurallanj on Mar 19, 2004 at 10:16 AM
here are MY answers to your questions:
Q1: Active speakers have built-in amplifiers. Passive speakers don't. So with active speakers, you don't need an amplifier anymore. With passive speakers, you do.
Q2: To my knowledge, the PS2 has a digital audio out. If it does, this means, you need a digital amplifier to be able to decode that digital signal and utilize the 5.1 audio.
Q3: Yes, there are. But this doesn't allow you to experience 5.1 audio. The only ways you can experience 5.1 audio is by either, digitally, using a digital amp with a digital source (i. e. DVD player), or analog, having a 5.1 channel amp and a source that has a built in digital decoder.
Q4: Yes, there are. But most 5.1 speaker system that has digital decoding properties are quite expensive. The most inexpensive 5.1 system that has digital decoding properties that I've seen so far are the ones from Kinyo (around 7K at Raon). It has 5 satellites and a sub and is Dolby Digital certified and has Pro logic capabilities for 2ch sources (i.e. audio cds, vcds). Maliit lang sya. There are also 5.1 systems that are inexpensive, but cannot decode digital signals, bale they're just 5 speakers na may amp lang and may sub, they rely on the on-board decoder of the dvd player, since your PS2 doesn't have this, this wouldn't be appropriate for you, unless you decide to buy an inexpensive dvd player(2.5K) that has a built in decoder.

Now, note that I never mentioned DTS in any of my answers. Let's get something clear. DTS is kinda like a brand of digital encoding and decoding. Dolby is another. Those two are kinda similar. There's Dolby Digital, and then there's DTS. Almost all the time, if a certain equiptment is Dolby certified, it is also DTS certified. But there are, of course, equiptments that can decode Dolby, but can't decode DTS. So, be careful about this. My friend has a xenon dvd player that has this problem. Now, DTS has become more popular these days than Dolby because DTS has lesser compression, resulting in a clearer, more natural sound. Dati kasi, Dolby was like the forerunner in this field, ngayon medyo nauuna na ang DTS, kaya medyo mas naging standard ang DTS kesa sa Dolby. Now, since you're on a budget, a 5.1 system like the Kinyo I suggested might be adequate for you already since you're using your PS2 as a player which doesn't have a built-in digital decoder. Plug and play na lang yan. The only reason why some enthusiasts opt for dvd players with built-in decoders is because of the fact that you don't need a digital amp to decode the 5.1 audio, since digital amps are quite expensive (12K up, amp pa lang yan). They just buy inexpensive amps that have 5.1 input (3.5K) and speakers to go with it/or complete 5.1 systems(with speakers and amps). Some just buy a Home-theater-in-a-box, like nextbase, may dvd player na, speakers, and amp na. These start from 8K up. Now, also remember the disadvantage of buying complete systems, they're much harder(costly, too) to upgrade and might have limited options, too. Buying your equiptment component by component is more ideal since mas madaling mag upgrade and mas mama-maximize mo ang use nya(i.e. buying an amp would enable you to use it for other sources like a vhs, tuner, cassette, vcd players, etc.). Now, don't worry about asking questions, because that's one of those times that you learn. Besides, ever heard of the expression, "teaching is learning again". TC, bro.
Title: Re:Help!(newbie)
Post by: Philander on Mar 19, 2004 at 10:35 AM
hello,

4. Is there a 5.1 speaker system that has a DTS decoder? If so, what brands and models are these and where can I get them? (I'm looking for a low-end only. ex. nextbase) :)

I know guys that my questions is redundant, only asked in different angles... but I don't know how to ask it the right and efficient way.

thanks in advance guys. :)


Yamaha Tss1, Yamaha Tss10, Logitec Z-680
Title: Re:Help!(newbie)
Post by: kid on Mar 19, 2004 at 11:47 AM
If you really want to experience the full capability of Dolby Digital and DTS decoded DVDs, you need to get at least an entry level of branded HT equipment. I was told that generic amps are not really good because it is only prologic. If the seller is saying that it is 5.1 channel, dont believe in them. It is only prologic which means that it can only produce 4 channel output.

Hope this will help you...  :D
Title: Re:Help!(newbie)
Post by: arthurallanj on Mar 19, 2004 at 02:17 PM
If you really want to experience the full capability of Dolby Digital and DTS decoded DVDs, you need to get at least an entry level of branded HT equipment. I was told that generic amps are not really good because it is only prologic. If the seller is saying that it is 5.1 channel, dont believe in them. It is only prologic which means that it can only produce 4 channel output.

Hope this will help you...  :D
Bro,
I just wanna say na meron naman talagang generic na 5 channel talaga, try reading sa forum about ng Sakura amps, there are a couple of guys there that can attest to that. They've mentioned the Sakura AV-387/377. And meron ding Sakura na 5 channel amp talaga without any processors like ProLogic. These guys have these equiptment, so they kinda know. I also happen to own a Sakura too. And besides, pages plans to use his PS2 as his player, so he needs a digital amp. Out of the question ang generic amps with 5ch inputs. I only suggested the Kinyo because he mentioned that he's on a budget and this is the most inexpensive system I've seen that would be appropriate to use with his PS2. :)
Title: Re:Help!(newbie)
Post by: pages on Mar 19, 2004 at 02:34 PM
hi arthurallanj,

are you on YM or something? where I may chat with you? I really appreciate your answers... it's very useful and informative.

also to you guys, thanks.
Title: Re:Help!(newbie)
Post by: pages on Mar 19, 2004 at 02:50 PM
all you guys know that I wanna watch DVDs on my PS2, it's not that I don't wanna buy a DVD player that has DTS decoder... the thing is, so I may also experience the 5.1 experience when I'm playing a DVD game on my PS2. you know, like hitting 2 birds with one stone.

is this possible... I'd buy a 5.1 passive speakers, I don't have amps yet right? then I'll buy a digital amp or something that can decode the digital audio signals from PS2 to 5.1. or what type of amp I should buy that can do that? again, I'm on a quite tight budget, still a student,  saving on my allowances. :(  you know cheap but not that bad. :)
Title: Re:Help!(newbie)
Post by: greatbop on Mar 19, 2004 at 02:59 PM
^Not every PS2 game supports OPTICAL OUTPUT.

so you will still need to connect your ps2 using the regular a/v cables.

another thing, using the ps2 as a dvd player severely limits the lifespan of the console.

Title: Re:Help!(newbie)
Post by: arthurallanj on Mar 19, 2004 at 03:00 PM
Bro,
click on my name to see my e-mail add or you could send me a private message na rin dito sa pinoydvd mismo para mas madali. On line naman ako e.
 As I suggested earlier, look for complete systems na lang like the Kinyo I mentioned. But as I would always give as an advice, paunti-unti mo na lang bilhin ang mga gamit mo para better choices. PM me ang budget mo and what your expectations are from the system you plan to buy. Don't worry, alalayan kita all the way, from choices and decisions to guidance. TC.
Title: Re:Help!(newbie)
Post by: arthurallanj on Mar 19, 2004 at 03:07 PM
Bro pages, one more thing pala, make sure your PS2 has at least a digital out(Optical or Coaxial). Check mo bro and tell me kung ano ang mga nakalagay dyan for options.
And bro greatbop, ok din lang naman as long as ang game nya at least in stereo, we'll leave it up to the Pro Logic Decoder to deal with the 2 ch signal. And he just also wants to experience gameplaying in multichannel sound rin naman e. :)
Title: Re:Help!(newbie)
Post by: pages on Mar 19, 2004 at 03:17 PM
gosh! I guess I should've started questioning first about PS2.
I really don't know much about the PS2, what a shame.
:(  all I know is there are games that are THX certified or something. anybody here knows much about PS2? someone here already experiencing 5.1 with PS2? I know that there are cables you can buy besides from the regular audio cables that comes with it.
Title: Re:Help!(newbie)
Post by: arthurallanj on Mar 19, 2004 at 03:21 PM
Bro, sent you a PM. TC.:)
Title: Re:Help!(newbie)
Post by: pages on Mar 19, 2004 at 03:29 PM
gee... this is a shameful question....
how can I check my PM?  ;D
Title: Re:Help!(newbie)
Post by: Philander on Mar 19, 2004 at 03:34 PM
gee... this is a shameful question....
how can I check my PM?  ;D


Click this:
http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=;action=im
Title: Re:Help!(newbie)
Post by: indridcold on Mar 19, 2004 at 03:46 PM
pages, if aside from the regular jacks that you see on your PS2, there is another input/output, usually with a plastic stub inserted in it, then you may have optical out. Its important that you have a digital output on your PS2 para you can course the signal to a digital decoder e.g. an AV receiver. The receiver will decode the DTS or dolby signal and output the same to the speakers connected on it. Hope this helps.
Title: Newbie Question re: Decoders
Post by: Galactus on Mar 19, 2004 at 05:01 PM
Guys

I just bought a JVC XV-N38SL DVD player.  

I want to buy a 5.1 Speaker System, and from what I've read in this forum, I have to buy a separate receiver/decoder, kasi RCA jacks lang meron yung player ko.

My question is, is there a 5.1 surround speaker system na may onboard decoders? Para di na ko bumili ng receiver/decoder. Nanghihinayang rin akong i-dispatch ung player ko, since less than 2 months pa lang ito.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re:Help!(newbie)
Post by: kid on Mar 19, 2004 at 05:13 PM
Bro,
I just wanna say na meron naman talagang generic na 5 channel talaga, try reading sa forum about ng Sakura amps, there are a couple of guys there that can attest to that. They've mentioned the Sakura AV-387/377. And meron ding Sakura na 5 channel amp talaga without any processors like ProLogic. These guys have these equiptment, so they kinda know. I also happen to own a Sakura too. And besides, pages plans to use his PS2 as his player, so he needs a digital amp. Out of the question ang generic amps with 5ch inputs. I only suggested the Kinyo because he mentioned that he's on a budget and this is the most inexpensive system I've seen that would be appropriate to use with his PS2. :)

Those amps were reformatted from prologic to a 5.1 channel. I was talking to a technician in raon when i was scouting for a generic amp. He said that those amps nga daw are reformatted. If i really want to experience a 5.1 channel better, he recommended to buy branded receivers. When i auditioned one of the generic amps in raon, ive noticed that their center, sorround and rear speakers have diiferent settings. Nakakalito syang i set up. So i concluded na tama ung sinabi ng technician sakin.

Peace....
Title: Re:Help!(newbie)
Post by: pages on Mar 19, 2004 at 10:55 PM
Yes! I've seen it. my PS2 has an optical out...
what now? I guess I need to buy a jack or cable for it... afterwhich, is there an amp or a speaker that can receive so I can have a 5.1?
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: ultraman on Mar 19, 2004 at 11:39 PM
Pages,
         I think, branded amps only (not sure) has digital optical out. Generic amps have none. Digital out will cost you around 7k. But if you are on a tight budget, you can have your optical out for only 3 hundred pesos at Raon. GREAT BUY!!! ;)  If you want to learn more about ps2, try this site.. pinoypsx.com
Title: Re:Help!(newbie)
Post by: arthurallanj on Mar 20, 2004 at 01:39 PM
Yes! I've seen it. my PS2 has an optical out...
what now? I guess I need to buy a jack or cable for it... afterwhich, is there an amp or a speaker that can receive so I can have a 5.1?
Question din bro, is there an RCA jack there that says Digital Out/Coaxial? If it does, you now have 2 options, you either choose to use the optical out, which means you'd have to buy an optical cable, around 300 pesos, or you could use the Coaxial digital out, with which you could just use an ordinary good quality RCA cable, this is, of course, less expensive. You then connect this to a decoder that you eventually would decide to buy. I also saw this Kinyo complete system once on the web. why not surf for it. Remember, ang Kinyo has a decoder, built-in amps, satellites and a sub na, so although, medyo lampas sya sa budget at 7K, wala ka nang kelangan pa idagdag. You can also view nga pala your PMs at the bottom of the main page.
Bro punk,
I have a Sakura AV1600, although mono lang ang amp nya for the surrounds, it has a legit Pro Logic processor. Now, a fellow pinoydvder(?) says he also has an AV-327 that also has a ProLogic decoder, but this time has discrete amplification for the left and right surrounds. The fact is, may pangit na generic amps (for Sakura, or any other amp for that matter) at may maganda rin. Generic amps require more patience and time in order for you to find one that you like or need. Now, the Kinyo I've seen has a digital input and is Dolby Digital certified. This is what I recommended for pages since he's on a budget nga. And his budget is actually kulang pa nga for what I recommended. And this is the least expensive system that I've seen na may digital decoder. So, as of now, buying a more expensive BRANDED amp is kinda out of the question. He has about 5K lang. And I don't know any system that comes closer to his budget than that Kinyo I've seen(7K). ;)
Title: Re:Newbie Question re: Decoders
Post by: Philander on Mar 21, 2004 at 11:09 PM
Guys

I just bought a JVC XV-N38SL DVD player.  

I want to buy a 5.1 Speaker System, and from what I've read in this forum, I have to buy a separate receiver/decoder, kasi RCA jacks lang meron yung player ko.

My question is, is there a 5.1 surround speaker system na may onboard decoders? Para di na ko bumili ng receiver/decoder. Nanghihinayang rin akong i-dispatch ung player ko, since less than 2 months pa lang ito.

Thanks in advance.

Yamaha Tss1, Yamaha Tss10, Logitec Z-680
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: arthurallanj on Mar 22, 2004 at 10:00 AM
Bro galactus and bro pages,
Cehck out this site:
www.kinyo.com
Good day and TC. ;)
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: pages on Mar 22, 2004 at 02:57 PM
none. there is no digital out coaxial, only optical.
that kinyo that you're suggesting has DD decoder right? but what about DTS formatted DVDs, will it be able to decode it too?

anyway, I'll be visiting that Raon are sometime this week. got to bring a friend though, am not familiar with the place. hopefully, I'll have good news.

thanks man for all the guidance. :)
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: arthurallanj on Mar 23, 2004 at 11:17 AM
none. there is no digital out coaxial, only optical.
that kinyo that you're suggesting has DD decoder right? but what about DTS formatted DVDs, will it be able to decode it too?

anyway, I'll be visiting that Raon are sometime this week. got to bring a friend though, am not familiar with the place. hopefully, I'll have good news.

thanks man for all the guidance. :)
I haven't seen any DTS DVDs that are not DD encoded so far. So I don't think that will be your problem. And Kinyo also has models that can decode DTS. But, the major concern here, is if your PS2 can decode DTS. If your PS2 has the DTS logo, then it can. I'm sorry I'm not into gaming so I'm not really familiar with the PS2. But the fact is, if your player cannot decode a digital signal, even if your receiver can, it's no use. The player must be able to decode the signal itself. This is the case of my friend who purchased a xenon dvd player that can decode DD but not DTS, kahit na ikinabit na namin sa Yamaha DSP-AX430 using an optical cable, wala pa rin. Hope this helps.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: qball on Mar 24, 2004 at 02:32 AM
But the fact is, if your player cannot decode a digital signal, even if your receiver can, it's no use. The player must be able to decode the signal itself. This is the case of my friend who purchased a xenon dvd player that can decode DD but not DTS, kahit na ikinabit na namin sa Yamaha DSP-AX430 using an optical cable, wala pa rin. Hope this helps.

If the dvd player can't decode the dts signal the receiver will be the one to decode it by using the digital connection. The setting of your friend's dvd player on the audio menu must be set to digital out to let the signal pass thru the coax/optical out of the dvd player.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: arthurallanj on Mar 24, 2004 at 08:57 AM
If the dvd player can't decode the dts signal the receiver will be the one to decode it by using the digital connection. The setting of your friend's dvd player on the audio menu must be set to digital out to let the signal pass thru the coax/optical out of the dvd player.

Bro,
I'm not saying that my info is completely accurate ha? But that's exactly what we did, kasi if we weren't able to do that, e di sana pati ang DD wala ring tunog. When the dvd player's audio was set to Dolby Digital (via remote), maayos sya, but when we set the audio to DTS, silent sya. So I assumed na may Dolby Digital compatibility sya, but none for DTS. The dvd player, to my mind, broke the link. Even though the source is encrypted in DTS, and the receiver is DTS compatible, too, the dvd player isn't. What connects the data of the dvd disc to the receiver is the dvd player. Since the dvd can't read the DTS encryption since it's not DTS compatible, the connection or the link to the receiver is broken. I'm not saying that this is true to all cases, but this is what happened to us. But if I'm wrong, all the better, since pages wouldn't have any problems with his system anymore.

this is how I kinda look at it:
dvd disc->dvd player->receiver->speakers

Thanks for the notice, bro. TC.:)
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Philander on Mar 24, 2004 at 09:47 AM
This is more in the settings od the Xenon DVD player. Maybe the settings in the Xenon DVD player are not correct. Recheck. Digital out of the DTS signal should be in bitstream format. OR the Xenon dvd player do not support DTS Digital out or it phohibit DTS Digital out.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: arthurallanj on Mar 24, 2004 at 10:09 AM
Sir Phil,
this is actually what I've come to conclude, the erring part of the system is the Xenon dvd player. But I'll recheck and test other equiptment to be even more enlightened. Thanks.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: audioek-ek on Mar 24, 2004 at 01:32 PM
ano ba da best performer na HTIB? Sa mga meron na kwento naman o kasi I'm planning to buy one,thanks ???
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Mar 25, 2004 at 10:23 AM
Depends on your budget.  Sky's the limit ba??
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: arthurallanj on Mar 25, 2004 at 10:30 AM
Depends on your budget.  Sky's the limit ba??

Bro AV,
Is there really a limit ba? ha ha ha, mamumulubi ka talaga sa hobby na to. :D

Bro audioek-ek,
Kung medyo malaki din naman ang budget mo, like 25K up, wag ka nang mag HTIB. The way I see it kasi, HTIBs are for budgets lang and sa mga nagmamadali and sa mga gustong madalian, as in the easy way. BUT, different strokes for different folks. :)
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Galactus on Mar 29, 2004 at 06:51 PM
Hey Guys

Where can I buy the Logitech z-680? And what's the price range?

Ok na sana yung Yamaha Tss-1 or Tss-10, kaya lang 6 watts per channel lang pala yung sats.  

Many thanks!
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Jayem Ares on Mar 31, 2004 at 08:04 PM
my dvd player is union, it has DD & DTS surround logos in the front. I am able to play DTS titles with it, with the 5 analog outs.

Does it mean that  I dont need a decoder for dts?

Can i just use the famous Rongxin speakers for a better sound?

Is there a distributor /retailer of Rongx here in Pangasinan?
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Philander on Apr 01, 2004 at 11:02 AM
my dvd player is union, it has DD & DTS surround logos in the front. I am able to play DTS titles with it, with the 5 analog outs.

Does it mean that  I dont need a decoder for dts?

Yes.

Quote
Can i just use the famous Rongxin speakers for a better sound?

Yes.
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Philander on Apr 01, 2004 at 11:03 AM
Hey Guys

Where can I buy the Logitech z-680? And what's the price range?

Ok na sana yung Yamaha Tss-1 or Tss-10, kaya lang 6 watts per channel lang pala yung sats.  

Many thanks!

Villman.

http://www.villman.com.ph/products/specs/logitech/z-680.asp?code=z-680_thx&ref=logitech/z-680.asp (http://www.villman.com.ph/products/specs/logitech/z-680.asp?code=z-680_thx&ref=logitech/z-680.asp)


Php 18999.00
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: CaptainKidd on Apr 04, 2004 at 08:32 PM
Hi guys, pareho pala kami ng dilemma ni Galactus.  :(  
I'm using a Pioneer DV233 and RCA lang din ang audio nya.  I was planning on getting a 5.1 HT.  
Do you think it's better to get the Logitech Z-680 rather than buying a receiver and 5.1 speakers?  18,999 is a bit pricey for me.  

Is a receiver the same with an amplifier?   :)  Dumaan kasi ako sa raon a while ago and I was eyeing for the Promac Pro5.1 speakers for 3,700.   Ok kaya kung yan nalang bilhin ko and bili nlang ako ng receiver?  

Medyo nalilito na kasi ako eh.  Newbie kasi me sa HT setup.   ;D

How much kaya ang Yamaha Tss1 and Yamaha Tss10?  
thank's guys!


Villman.

http://www.villman.com.ph/products/specs/logitech/z-680.asp?code=z-680_thx&ref=logitech/z-680.asp (http://www.villman.com.ph/products/specs/logitech/z-680.asp?code=z-680_thx&ref=logitech/z-680.asp)


Php 18999.00
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: bravoexo on Apr 12, 2004 at 11:11 AM
Sayang, wala nang Cambridge Audio anywhere around....   Those DTT series of Creative really rocks!
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: arthurallanj on Apr 13, 2004 at 12:45 PM
Hi guys, pareho pala kami ng dilemma ni Galactus.  :(  
I'm using a Pioneer DV233 and RCA lang din ang audio nya.  I was planning on getting a 5.1 HT.  
Do you think it's better to get the Logitech Z-680 rather than buying a receiver and 5.1 speakers?  18,999 is a bit pricey for me.  

Is a receiver the same with an amplifier?   :)  Dumaan kasi ako sa raon a while ago and I was eyeing for the Promac Pro5.1 speakers for 3,700.   Ok kaya kung yan nalang bilhin ko and bili nlang ako ng receiver?  

Medyo nalilito na kasi ako eh.  Newbie kasi me sa HT setup.   ;D

How much kaya ang Yamaha Tss1 and Yamaha Tss10?  

thank's guys!


Bro,
at that price, you get the entire DTX 9.5 Slim Series speaker system(towers, center, rears)7,410, a DTX 4.10 sub 5,500, a generic dvd player 2,800, and a Sakura AV387 amp 3,325. And note that this is already a full sized system. BUT, as I would always give as an advice, paunti-unti na lang muna, you'd make better decisions. IF you're patient enough, and as a rule of thumb, buy the best equiptment that you can afford, so walang regrets eventually. AND of course, set a limit. Decide on what would be enough for you and what would give you contentment. This is what you must establish. What would make you happy? Kasi there is practically no limit to this hobby, so establish kung what is enough for you. And it would also be best to buy equiptment na component talaga and not integrated systems. Don't opt to buy HTIBs since less flexible ang mga ito and mas maganda syempre ang mga compo. UNLESS, happy ka na sa HTIB. Just my 2 cents. Oh and aaah, ang receiver usually has a radio receiver, AM and FM, ang amp, amplifier lang. :)
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: porch_zero on Apr 14, 2004 at 11:34 AM
meron kasi akong sansui receiver model R-30 sa bahay. pero walang speakers.  ano kayang speakers ang kelangan kong bilin? 6 ohms ang impedance ng receiver na ito.  sa mga speakers ba, pano mo malalaman ang capability ng isang speaker? meron bang case na hindi compatible ang isang speaker sa receiver/amp?

gusto ko lang magkaron ng decent sound tong receiver na ito. not necessarily na dumadagundong yung kwarto ko.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Apr 14, 2004 at 11:50 AM
I really don't see a serious problem matching the current crop of commercial speakers with commerical receivers or amps, old and new.   Knowing that your Sansui wants 6-ohm loads is good. Knowing further what your power rating is should start you off on your quest.  Offhand, many Wharfedale speakers have 6-ohm ratings.  But 8-ohm speakers would be just fine.  In solid state, when in doubt, always get a higher impedance speakers - usually 8 ohms.  A lower impedance speaker could have more chances of ruining itself or the amp if it has lower impedance than what the amp expects.  Likewise, do get speakers with maximum power ratings that are close to what your receiver or amp can deliver in terms of RMS or continuous power.  A severely underpowered amp driven to clipping at high volumes will ruin the speakers just as much as an ovepowered amo can.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: porch_zero on Apr 14, 2004 at 12:17 PM
thanks sir avphile!  O0
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: lance on Apr 15, 2004 at 01:58 PM
What is the use of tube buffer? Does it in any way affect the sounds of a certain amp? What about the rectifier? What it means if it is tube rectified or ss rectified? How it affect the sounds of an amp? Thanks :-X
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: ultraman on Apr 15, 2004 at 07:31 PM
          kaibigan, tanong lang po.. I tried making pindot pindot my DVD set-up and one time i saw his terms.. I just want to utilize my units capability kaya konting tulong lang po. O0
          Ano po ibig sabihin ng SPDIF and VSS?
          Whats center delay and rear delays are for?
          How am i going to configure my audio system? ( ALL LARGE SPEAKERS, SMALL SPEAKERS OR MIXED SPEAKERS) I'm using DTX speakers.
           What does bandpass mean in terms sa subwoofer?

          TNX.......
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Philander on Apr 16, 2004 at 10:30 AM
          kaibigan, tanong lang po.. I tried making pindot pindot my DVD set-up and one time i saw his terms.. I just want to utilize my units capability kaya konting tulong lang po. O0
          Ano po ibig sabihin ng SPDIF and VSS?
          Whats center delay and rear delays are for?
          How am i going to configure my audio system? ( ALL LARGE SPEAKERS, SMALL SPEAKERS OR MIXED SPEAKERS) I'm using DTX speakers.
           What does bandpass mean in terms sa subwoofer?

          TNX.......

SPDIF - Sony Philips Digital Interface - coaxial digital out

VSS - Virtual Surround System

Delay - measure of sound reproduction with respect to the position of the speaker to the listerner in order to "virtually copy" the accurate time response in reproducing the sound

For DTX speaker settings- if you do not want to add deep bass in the subwoofer and the LFE (low frequency effects) will be handled only by the to Subwoofer, use LARGE; use Small, if you want to have bass management and deep bass and LFE will be handled by SUB.

This might help:
Here are some areas where "calibration" is usually done in an HT set-up:

(1)  Set all the 5 channels to the have identical volume levels.  I think you also have to set the subwoofer about a few dbs higher than the other speakers, but this depends on the power of the sub as well.  You either use an SPL meter in your listening position or just trust your ears.

(2)  Set the delay time on the surround speakers relative to your listening position so that the sound from both arrives at your ears about the same time as the fronts.  Your receiver manual should tell you how to do this.  Some receivers can set the delay in terms of distance from the listening position (1 foot = 1 millisec), others in time.

(3)  Set the bass management of the receiver in terms of crossover frequency you prefer.  In some recievers, this is taken cared of by selecting either "small" or "large" for the fronts and surrounds.  But this calibration is also used other than for HT purposes.


Bandpass - circuit that allows signals between two specific frequencies to pass, but that discriminates against signals at other frequencies. The main function of such a filter in a transmitter is to limit the bandwidth of the output signal (frequencies) to the necessary to convey data at the desired frequency. Like if you want your subwoofer to handle the freqency range from 20 Hz to 150Hz.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: ultraman on Apr 16, 2004 at 11:40 PM
               @Philander,,, thanks for your info. helped a lot. tnx uli sir.. sa uulitin O0
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: porch_zero on Apr 23, 2004 at 10:44 AM
correction on the impendance of my vintage sansui receiver.  8 ohms ang impedance nito.  and im currently using speakers with 6 ohms impedance. this setup has been working fine, sounds naman is ok.  would the difference in impedance cause any serious trouble with my receiver and speakers in the future? ang nakikita ko kasing mga speakers presently, puro 6 ohms eh.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Apr 23, 2004 at 11:11 AM
Those old sansui receivers can better handle lower loads though they are not necessarily of high current design.  I shouldn't worry unless I listen at full power.  If the Sansui gets too hot to touch, just aim an electric fan to it.  Do they get that hot when listening at normal levels? If not, no need to worry. 
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: porch_zero on Apr 23, 2004 at 12:06 PM
last night, at normal levels and about 3 hours of use, the sansui got hot, but not that much.  so i think i should not worry about this. 

btw, what is a classic case of a speaker-amplifier getting ruined because of incompatibility? kasi i'm still confused with picking the optimal speakers for a simple amplifier setup.  kasi usually di ba, hindi naman nakaindicate ang power rating sa mga speaker itself? tama ba itong haka haka ko?
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Apr 23, 2004 at 01:08 PM
The incompatibility would have to be severe to ruin either amp or speaker. 

Driving a 100 watt speaker with a 15-watt amp that is maxed out can fry tweeters due to clipped harmonics being sent by the amp.  Similarly, driving a 15-watt speaker from a 100 watt amp at high volumes can send the over-driven woofer cone flying in all directions or just burning the voice coils to a crisp after a few hours of non-stop use. 

Using a 4-ohm speaker mated to solid state amp that is not high-current (meaning in simple terms,  it can only drive 8 ohm - 16 ohm speakers, no less) will fry the power transistors within a few hours, if not minutes, or trigger the protection circuit, if it has one,  everytime you increase the volume beyond a certain point. 

Many speakers have nominal power rating and impedances stated at the back.  Most indicate their minimum and maximum input power that it can safely be driven with.  Sensitivity figures like 89db are likewise indicated.  Frequency responses,  like 30Hz - 23Hz are indicated.   Even the Dai-1chi speakers I used in the past had a frequency reponse CURVE plastered at the back.   Complete information such as these indicate good and confident speaker design.  I wouldn't consider any speaker that doesn't have these info at the back. (Some old JBL speakers I've seen have this info in front.) 
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: KEN on Apr 28, 2004 at 03:27 PM
Mga bossing tanong lang po...

Yung RXV-800 receiver po ay my "direct processor" button and when I check the manual it says when "on" it bypass the bass,treble and ext.bass. My Cd player(RCD02) presently is connected via coax (digital) would it make a difference ba kung I connect my player to the receiver via the analog connection and switching the "direct processor" to on?

TIA
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Apr 28, 2004 at 04:00 PM
Mga bossing tanong lang po...

Yung RXV-800 receiver po ay my "direct processor" button and when I check the manual it says when "on" it bypass the bass,treble and ext.bass. My Cd player(RCD02) presently is connected via coax (digital) would it make a difference ba kung I connect my player to the receiver via the analog connection and switching the "direct processor" to on?

TIA

Am not so sure about the signal path your CD goes through.  Your direct button may work either way.  My understanding is that using the digital connection just bypasses the internal DAC/processor of your CD player and routes the digital streams to the processor/DAC of the receiver.  After the receiver, the decoded analog signal then goes through the normal analog preamp circuits containing the bass, treble, balance, volume controls.  So the bypass swtich should simply bypasses these controls except volume and the decoded analog signals go directly to the power amp.  This is the implementation in some receivers.

But if the receiver has digital bass, treble, volume controls integrated with its other digital processing functions, the bypass switch may not yield any sound at all as you would be bypassing the entire digital circuit altogether, including all digitally connected source. SO there's no sound when this is activated, is there? You would need to connect the analog output of the CD player to the analog input of the receiver to benefit from this.   If so, that means the receiver actually does an ADC or analog to digital conversion for all your analog input.  Not very nice as your entire CD signal path passes through a DAC twice.  So a bypass switch would be a good thing. 

In this latter case, if the internal DAC of the CD players does a better job, using the bypass switch can yield a better sound.  IF the receiver has a better DAC, use the digital connection. 
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: KEN on Apr 28, 2004 at 05:18 PM
Thanks sir Av-phile1,

actually di ko pa na try kasi I was still thinking over kung bibili ako ng quality analog cable(Qunex2), incase I switch to analog connection ok lang ba yung coax(digital - ix0s105 2m) na gamiting ko para sa sub, presently Im using RS coax alin ba ang mas ok yung ixos or RS para sa sub. (cannot afford pa tday QED spiral para sa sub.)


TIA
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Apr 28, 2004 at 05:25 PM
I am not a believer of special cables for subs.  Any well-constructed interconnect cable will do the job.  A video coax cable has a 75 ohm impedance, also ideal for digital coax interconnecting, not necessary for ordinary audio interconnects.  But their shiedling is good enough to make them work just as well.   
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: KEN on Apr 28, 2004 at 05:37 PM
Sir Av_phile1 thanks ulit,

 I'm just thinking of econimizing/justifying the purchse of a new analog cable para sa CD and honestly para kasing di ako satisfy sa sound ng audio setup ko kaya baka kako thru cable upgrade(cheaper) ay maging ok. Sir ano palagay mo getting a seperate Intgrtd amplifier(RA-02) will improve the audio quality ng setup ko or its not practica(cost will not justify the improvement)kasi once I get a seperate I will be force to get a new pair of speakers for the audio setup only.
 
TIA
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Apr 28, 2004 at 06:05 PM
See my post to your querry at Setup Upgrading.

Let me add, if your budget permits go the separate route.


Otherwise, you would still need to save a bit more to upgrade your receiver to a more musical HT receiver that is adequately powered.  You can go for a harman-kardon, NAD or Rotel HT receiver.  These are high-current recievers that won't dissappoint in either music or HT. 
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: KEN on Apr 28, 2004 at 06:30 PM
Thanks sir Av, think your right got to go for the separate route...ipon muna ng kaunti pa, grabe tong SARS sa PinoyDVD from cable to separate na...atleast happy naman(joke lang).
 
Thanks again sir av
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: wanderlust on Apr 29, 2004 at 11:15 AM
What is the use of tube buffer? Does it in any way affect the sounds of a certain amp? What about the rectifier? What it means if it is tube rectified or ss rectified? How it affect the sounds of an amp? Thanks :-X

reposting this as i am intrested also to know the answer to this questions.

thnx.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Apr 29, 2004 at 02:37 PM
None, nada, zilch, as far as I am concerned.  Not that it matters to me.  ;D  But ofcourse, tube lovers would say otherwise. 
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: KEN on May 04, 2004 at 06:19 PM
Dear Guru's need help again...

I'm new to seperate audio system and here's my situation currently I'm eyeing RA01/RA02 for audio amps to pair it with my RCD02, but I have only 1 pair of main speaker which is presently connected to RXV800(w/5chn pre out) for HT...eto po yung mga tanong ko..

1) pwede po bang kunin ko yung main LR preout ng RXV800, tapos connect it to RA01/RA02 and connect main sprk to RA01/RA02 ?

2)pwede rin ho bang sa RXV800 yung volume control for both HT and audio setup(kasi mas mura yata yung RA01 w/remote compare to RA02 he..hee..he)?

3)Incase po na pwede ok lang ba yung ganoong setup for audio and HT ? or nabalewala lang yung pag add ng RA01/RA02 since connected parin sya sa RXV800?(RCD02 connected sa RA01/RA02)?

need your advise/help very much...


TIA
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on May 04, 2004 at 09:20 PM
Dear Guru's need help again...

I'm new to seperate audio system and here's my situation currently I'm eyeing RA01/RA02 for audio amps to pair it with my RCD02, but I have only 1 pair of main speaker which is presently connected to RXV800(w/5chn pre out) for HT...eto po yung mga tanong ko..

1) pwede po bang kunin ko yung main LR preout ng RXV800, tapos connect it to RA01/RA02 and connect main sprk to RA01/RA02 ?

If the RA01 or 02 has L and R Main Inputs, you can connect the RXV800 front L and R pre-outs to this.  Then connect the main front L and R speakers to the Rotel.  I wouldn't worry about power as the RXV800 is overrated at 100wpc.  There is some likelihood the Rotel's conservative 40wpc is more than a match to the RXV800's power rating.

But I'm afraid the rotel may  not have main-ins for this.  I would suggest to use instead the RXV800's TAPE L and R RECORD OUT and connect this to the RA-02's TAPE IN or any of its line inputs.  This is a fixed level signal so you can use the Rotel to control your front volume.  Then connect your front speakers to the Rotel instead of the Yamaha.
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2)pwede rin ho bang sa RXV800 yung volume control for both HT and audio setup(kasi mas mura yata yung RA01 w/remote compare to RA02 he..hee..he)?

If you use the RXV800's pre-outs, yes, but you can't (see above) unless you want to overdrive the RA02 by connecting those Yamaha pre-outs to the Rotel's line level input.

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3)Incase po na pwede ok lang ba yung ganoong setup for audio and HT ? or nabalewala lang yung pag add ng RA01/RA02 since connected parin sya sa RXV800?(RCD02 connected sa RA01/RA02)?

Hindi naman.  If you follow my suggestion in (1), on pure 2-channel music-only mode, connect your cd player to the RA02 CD/Aux IN and just listen to the Rotels.   No need to power On the RXV800. 

On HT mode,  you would need to control two volume controls:  one from the RA02 for the fronts and another from the RXV800 for the other channels. ( The DVD player is connected to  the Yamaha.)  Rather complicated, but you get better sonic purity on 2-ch mode. 

Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: KEN on May 05, 2004 at 02:01 PM
Thanks Sir AV_phile1,malinaw na sa akin lhat just need little more time to save for RA01/Ra02  ;D The real reason for adding RA01/RA02 is to improve my 2 chn music listening...thanks again
Title: Re: Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: KEN on May 06, 2004 at 06:28 PM
Tanong lang mga sir I'm a newbie...

already made my mind on getting RA02 to pair it w/RCD02, after lots of idea/info. from av_phile1. The problem is medyo taas price dito ng Ra02 (25-27K) compare dyan sa atin 17K ata kya parang nag dadalawang isip ako bec. of the price difference and also saw this special offer selling Quad 306 power amp(50w/2chn-new w/box uk made) 4x cheaper than cost of RA's. I can get 2 of these and still wala pa sa kalahati ng RA02 but Im worried of the ff:

1)service
2)110v only
3) not good looking - like huge heatsink sa  CPU/Fan ng computer.
4)Very old model

need your opinion/advise...

TIA

Title: Re: Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: Sauron Cookie on May 06, 2004 at 08:21 PM
Ken,

Check out audioreview.com for reviews. Actually, i already checked it and the reviewers were very happy with the quad  :)

Don't worry if it's old, hey i have a 20-year old tube amp and i absolutely love it.

Don't worry if it's 110v, hey that's why there are avrs or maybe you can have it converted.

Don't worry about looks, if it sounds magical to your ear, heck why not?

Service, that i'm not sure of but from what i read that thing is pretty durable.

One thing is for sure, audition before you buy with components similar to what you have or maybe you can home audition it before purchasing.

Just my two cents.

Happy hunting.  ;D

Title: Re: Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: Sauron Cookie on May 06, 2004 at 08:31 PM
Ken,

Pahabol, if you do decide to get the quad which is a solid state power amp, i would recommend that you pair it with a tube preamp to give it some warmth  :)
Title: Re: Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: KEN on May 08, 2004 at 04:36 PM
Thanks Souron Cookie...

just checked Audioreview and TNT Audio and it seems  306 is not bad at all as you said it would be better to listen/test it first with my gear...Ill try to talk to the shop if they would allow me to home test it( i doubt they will agree...)but nothing's loss in trying...

and most important of all better start talking to wify that it is the sound that matters most  not the looks ;D ;D;D(just incase I go for the Quad's)... Thanks again Sourin Cookie.
Title: Re: Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: slowhand on May 08, 2004 at 07:34 PM
I've heard those Quads and used to own a Quad 405 amp for years. Quad amps sound great and a definite step above the Rotels and NADs, imo. They are vivid, warm, and rich sounding. Well-built too. Unless they were abused they could outlive you.
Title: Re: Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: KEN on May 09, 2004 at 02:05 PM
Hi Slowhand,

They also have  Quad 405-II's with a matching pre-amp(one with dip switches on top)just didn't get the model, 405's seems surplus or may be demo unit coz its not on the box and looks used.The only model I saw there that still look fresh and with boxes are the 306's.

I'm planning to go back again to that shop this Friday. Yes you're right regarding their build, from their looks alone they look like very solid like tanks...if you wont mind just curious "used to own a Quad 405 amp for years" just to have more info. on this product.

Thanks
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Philander on May 11, 2004 at 02:40 PM
This is a nice article:

How Speakers Work
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/speaker3.htm

Good for newbies (like me), and for better understanding about speakers...

Title: Re: Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: slowhand on May 13, 2004 at 08:50 AM
Hi Ken,

Wondering what your question is. Anyway, I used the Quads to drive a Wharfedale 504, then Celestion SL6s. A coupl'a comments:

* They produce 100wpc but are more powerful than the specs suggest. Big, meaty sound.
* Those Quads *405 and 306) have a sharp upper-frequency rolloff (past 20khz) so if you're a high-frequency fanatic and your speakers are exceptional in this range (only the expensive ones, usually) you may want to try it out first.
* Also, their power diminishes as impedance drops, so I couldn't use them with my current speakers, whose impedance goes down significantly.
* They take forever to warm up, so don't like being turned off. They consumer very little power though, so no prob.
* They combine a high-quality Class A stage with a powerful stage, so best of both worlds.
* Class A means those heat sinks at the front can get warm. No prob with that too. (I like the way they look, BTW.)

Overall, a great little amp, when used with gear that matches them. I gave mine away when I changed speakers, and regret doing so.

Which store is selling them?
Title: Re: Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: KEN on May 15, 2004 at 08:19 PM
Hi slowhand ,

Sorry for the confusion what I meant was that baka kako you had some bad experinced with the Quad's...Now I know the reason na, you change speakers.

Manage to test the 306 on the showroom only with Canton and Yammy CDP and they really sound good.But I'm not sure how they will mach with my RC02/602 combination and secondly need pa yata preamp... though my rxv800 has sets of preout.

With its price its really tempting to get it, I'm still finding ways of justifying it to wifey(done deal nakasi yung RA02 next month ngalang)
hope its worth the risk..he..he..he incase di ok sound nya just from it looks/build alone i might find other application for it...

The shop that's selling it, is also the local dealer of Canton speakers here in Jeddah, mga luma ngalang yung model nya ng speaker but they really sound good but pricey...

Thanks again slowhand for the info...and goodluck to me  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: KEN on May 27, 2004 at 04:34 PM
Help/advise needed...

Got this 3 units of QUAD 306 and RXV800 for HT, already connected the Main and Rear preout of the RXV800 to the QUAD's but having problem on how to connect the center preout. I tried using 'Y' cable adapter from RXV800 preout to QUAD 306  to have L and R input. I did try puting 2 center speaker but doesnt sound good(C speakers are placed on top and bottom of TV) ...I'm using 2 different speaker brand (B&W LCR60 and Canton AV700). I would prefer to have only 1 center speaker...How to do it ?

TIA

Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on May 27, 2004 at 05:25 PM
It would be nice if you could bridge the two amps to drive your center, just tone down the center volume.  But you don't need to have both channels drive two center speakers.  This could in fact smear the center channel as you have two centers of different timbre qualities.  Just use one channel to drive one center.   The stereo amplifer will understand.  ;D  You can have two centers provided they are identical. 

Alternatively, if the center speaker is bi-wireable, you can have one channel drive the tweeter and the other channel drive the woofer. 
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: KEN on May 29, 2004 at 03:07 PM
Just tried sir Av_phile1 advise -vertircal bi amp(amp R ch ->Spk hi & amp L ch->Spk low) for my center speaker. Improvement was amazing.

Honestly I'm not happy with my LCR60 I feel my old Canton AV-700 is better,since I'm using 602's for mains I keep it. But with the new configuration for my center speaker, I'm more than happy now with it, gives a new life to my HT/audio setup...if you can and have a facily to bi amp try it you wont regret doing it, It really do wonders (IMHO)...

Info. on how to bi amp

http://www.soundstage.com/synergize/synergize031998.htm

TIA
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on May 31, 2004 at 09:42 AM
Good to hear you finally got the sonics you wanted.  Congrats Ken
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: KEN on May 31, 2004 at 08:20 PM
Thanks sir av_phile1 for your assistance and other forum mebers...its really great to be member of this forum...
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Yahoo! on Jun 02, 2004 at 05:49 PM
sirs,
     i have a 5.1 sakura 387 amp and surplus amps from pier (sony 333esxII, sansui D607 and luxman LV-117).  will it be okay if i use the sakura's rear channel out as input to any of these amps? will this cause damage to these surplus amps? pre-amp po ba ang magiging tawag nun sa sakura?  does it matter to the amps if the inputs were already amplified?  what if mas mataas naman yung input,  e.g. 160wpc output, and the receiving amp is only capable of delivering only 90wpc, will there any damage to any of the components?

thanks
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: KEN on Jun 02, 2004 at 07:42 PM
hi seacrmnd,
halos parehas din ang sitwasyon ko noon my receiver ako at 3 amps ang pagkakaalam ko  and as what I did dapat yung preout ng receiver or amp na balak mong gawing pre-amp ang i-input mo sa bawat additional amps.Di ko alam kung may preout yung sakura amps mo.Sa pagkaka alam ko rin walang problem kung mas mababa ang wattage ng additional amp kesa praamp kasi yung aking 100w/5ch yung preamp ko pero yung amps na kinabit ko 50watts lang,ngalang high current/class A yung ginamit ko kaya masmaganda sa pandinig ko(IMHO) kaya yung speaker doon ko nalang kinabit sa 50watts na amps.

Better wait for the posting  ng mga expert and guru's...newbie din lang ako...
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Jun 03, 2004 at 12:17 PM
sirs,
     i have a 5.1 sakura 387 amp and surplus amps from pier (sony 333esxII, sansui D607 and luxman LV-117).  will it be okay if i use the sakura's rear channel out as input to any of these amps? will this cause damage to these surplus amps? pre-amp po ba ang magiging tawag nun sa sakura?  does it matter to the amps if the inputs were already amplified?  what if mas mataas naman yung input,  e.g. 160wpc output, and the receiving amp is only capable of delivering only 90wpc, will there any damage to any of the components?

thanks

There are ways to bypass the amp of your Sakura.  And I bet those surplus integrateds from Sony, Luxman and Sansui  have much better sounding and specified amp sections.  If your 5.1 Sakura has 5.1 PRE-OUTS, you can use this to mate with the MAIN-INs of your surplus amps.  This way, your 5.1 receiver acts as a separate AV preamp/processor.  This is done by many audiophiles who don't find the amps of AV receivers satisfactory.  In fact, many mid-high priced HT receivers have excellent digital processing features that rival similarly priced AV preamps from Krell, Sunfire, Aragon and Rotel.   But the amp sections often leave much to be desired.  So they use the reciever's multi channel PRE-OUTs to feed better external power amps, multichannel or a stack of stereos and monoblocks. 

First check if your Sakura has 5.1 RCA-terminated PRE-OUTs.  I think Sakura uses REC OUT instead.  Hopefully it's not just for the front L and R but include C and SL and SR as well.  In case it's only for front L and R (which I suspect), then you can  use only one external surplus stereo amp to power the fronts.

Second, see if your surplus amps have MAIN-INs.  I think your surplus amps are integrated amps, and if I recall my old integrateds, there are jumper wires at the back of these that connect an RCA-terminated L and R Preamp-output to the L and R Main Amplifer Input RCA jacks.  Take these jumpers out.  Connect the Sakura's PRE-OUT to the MAIN-IN of the surplus amps.

If there are no MAIN-INs from your surplus amps, you may use any line input (except phono) or the REC IN of the Tape Monitor loop.  This may slightly overdrive the amp.  A pre-out or rec-out from a receiver may already have some voltage gain, whereas the line out of many players don't. 

At any rate, NEVER route the speaker output from any channel of your Sakura to any line level input of your surplus amps.  Not only will it yield totally unlistenable sound, but it can overdrive your surplus amps.   This can be done in powered subwoofers using their high level connection for the simple reason that the sub's high level speaker inputs have a signal attenuating circuit prior to feeding its internal amp.  Nothing of the sort exists in line leve inputs of your surplus amps. 

Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Yahoo! on Jun 03, 2004 at 01:16 PM
thanks sir av_phile.  i like the sound of sansui and luxman than sony.  i'm still trying to fully digest the principles you've discussed here.  :)
how about sir if i use an rca y-splitter from the output of my DVD player(phillips 727K and Kebao 2089) and use them as input to sakura and better sounding surplus amps, will this be a feasible solution?  i think both dvd player have DD and DTS decoders built-in.
the reason i want to connect sakura's out to the other amps is to have volume control to the rear speakers which sakura provide as well as volume control to the center speaker of course aside from the main volume control.

well as for my curiosity, my old generic DVD player (bought this early 2001) has an SCART out, has this connection ever been used in the Phillippines? should there be any noticeable quality improvement or downgrade if ever this is used?

sir av_phile, hats off po ako sa inyo... thank you very much for the invaluable and priceless information you've been sharing to the PDVD community.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Jun 03, 2004 at 05:56 PM
Thanks bro Seacrmnd,

The SCART I believe is for European use only. 

Here's one connection option you may want to consider using all your surplus integrateds but bypassing the sakurra altogether:

Using your Kebao player's analog outputs, connect them to your surplus integrated's line level inputs.  Say, the player's front L&R to the Luxman's CD L&R input, the rear L & R to the Sony's CD input, and the center to your Sansui's CD L & R (biamping the tweeter and woofer, if the center is biwireable).  Then you'd have independent volume controls for front, rear and center.  Connect the player's LFE out directly to your powered subwoofer.   Then use the Kebao's Output Level control as your Master Volume control.  Can't do this with your Philips as it may not have an output level control.  If it has, then do the same but to a different line input of each surplus amp.  You just have to use 3 selectors when shifting from one player to another.  Rather cumbersome.   You can still use the Sakura as a video switcher, though.

In answer to your question on using rca splitters, you can,  but I don't see the use unless you want to situation the surplus amps in another room with their own set of speakers.  So you can hear the same source in two rooms.

Caution: While you can attain the flexbility of having independent volume controls for front back and center, this is a rather complicated connection option that may not yield satsifactory listening levels if you don't level match all the 3 amps to the same SPLs at your listening position.  But the spirit of experimentation that makes this hobby really exciting is there.  So enjoy.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Philander on Jun 03, 2004 at 06:03 PM
The SCART is an AV standard connection interface in Europe. Pangalan pa lang European na (Syndicat des Constructeurs d'Appareils Radiorécepteurs et Téléviseurs)

There are available CRT/TV/Projection TV here that has SCART interface, most (if not all) of which are imported.

There are also available SCART to 2ch analog Audio, S-video, composite video, component video in one cable. You can get this at Most AV shops in Raon.
Title: Re: Recommend an audio set-up
Post by: JT on Jun 08, 2004 at 03:30 PM
hi!  im a newbie when it comes to this.  Wanna build sana an entry level audio set-up.  What components do i need?  How much kaya budget?  pwede na ba 30-35K?  What kind of speakers?  I have no idea talaga eh.  Recommend naman kayo oh.   :)  

Im not really an audiophile, I dont have a trained ear nga when it comes to sound, just want to have a system in my room for music.  Btw, maliit lang yung room, mga 12x12 feet.

Thanks guys,  hope you can help me.   ;D


Here's some interesting articles for this ...  Ear Cleansing.

Question: You ask us to trust our ears when shopping for audio equipment. But I'm not an audiophile. What should I listen for?

If you are capable of becoming emotionally involved with music, you are an audiophile. Your criteria for evaluating a sound system should simply be how closely it makes recordings sound like live music. This implies you know how live unamplified music sounds and that you can find well-made recordings of it for use as demonstration material.

Why use pristine recordings of acoustic instruments (including voices) playing in natural acoustic settings when that may not be what you typically listen to? If you just use your favorite CD of electrical instruments, there is no natural sound in the real world to serve as a basis for comparison. The same is true to a lesser extent of recordings of acoustic instruments made in dead studios with reverberation added afterward. If you use a poor fidelity recording of acoustic instruments, then your selected sound system will optimally compensate for that recording's faults, but equally color every other recording the same way. It will not do justice to newer, better fidelity recordings.

In my experience here at the store, the best recordings of acoustic musical instruments in a natural ambience are made by the small, specialist labels: Telarc, Sheffield Lab, Chesky, Reference Recordings, etc. Using them, if you sit in the "sweet spot" of the sound system and close your eyes, you should be able to "suspend disbelief" that the musicians are in the room with you. Or does the music just sound like a good hi-fi?

The best preparation you can make for an audio purchase is also the best preparation for enjoyment of your purchase once it is home: listen to live unamplified music. Pay attention to and enjoy the sensations of what you are hearing. You don't even have to like the particular music selection; just notice all the wonderful textures revealed in the notes.

For example, the Dayton area is overflowing with small theater companies, many of whom do not use amplification. Listen to the different actors' voices speaking and singing in that setting. Notice their timbres. How open do the voices sound in the high frequencies? Do they each seem to have unique textures? After attending such a performance, the next time you hear someone talk through a sound reinforcement system, notice the differences in the voice timbres from what you heard live. You'll realize that, although the sound reinforcement system is much louder, much of the rich texture of the voices it amplifies is lost.

If you or your friends own an acoustic guitar, strum a few chords. Notice the unique twang of each strum. If there is another model of acoustic guitar handy, notice the differences in the twang between them. Also notice how the guitar resonates in the room. Again, you won't notice that same richness in mic'd guitars or guitar recordings played on average hi-fi systems.

If you or a friend or neighbor has a small grand piano, play chopsticks on it. As you do, vary the speed with which you strike the keys and note the change in sound. Notice the sharp added intensity when the hammers first hit the strings and the gradual dying away as you hold the keys indefinitely. When someone else plays the keys, stand near the lid opening and notice the richness of the sound.

Do you have a child who plays in the school band or orchestra? Chances are you're tired of listening to practicing, but spend a little time in the same room just listening to the presence of the instrument - a sax, trumpet, drum, tuba, whatever. Each has a palate of tonal colors in a live setting that you don't hear on your car radio, boom box, rack system, or twenty year old component system.

At least once this year go to a classical music concert in a nice hall, even if you don't think you like classical music. Listen to an unamplified ensemble of strings. I never liked classical music as a child because recorded strings sounded so boring. In a live hall they have a magical sheen that I've never heard fully reproduced on any hi-fi, although hi-fi continually comes closer.

All of this richness is not necessarily loud (although a live unamplified big band can blow you over with rich sound). Amplification of public performances trades quality of sound for quantity. Yes it's necessary. But a good hi-fi can do so much better. Unfortunately, many people have only heard amplified concerts.

And many people have rather mediocre hi-fi’s. I'll even venture that for a lot of you readers, your best sounding music source is the factory sound system that came with your car. While these have greatly improved in the last decade, they are still far from accurate.

And what do people generally have for music sources? CDs, tapes, and FM radio. Most recorded and broadcast music is highly processed to give the music the maximum impression of power. This sacrifices much of the musical detail.

So unless we make a special attempt, most of us have little idea what live music in a real acoustic space performed by sensitive musicians can sound like. If true, we are depriving ourselves of a genuinely sensuous experience!

Yes, there are certainly times when I love to have synthesizers and electric guitars and mega bass reach my primal senses. A sound system that can accurately resolve the subtleties of acoustic music can also sound absolutely mahhhhvelous on this music. But well below this primal experience is another level of richly varied, if more delicate, sensation that arises from a direct link between our ears and the music being performed. This level is the biggest challenge for a sound system to reproduce, but if it gets somewhat close, I promise you a level of intimacy with music in your home that will surprise and delight you!

Go cleanse your ears with "all-natural" music and see if it opens your senses. If it does, you'll understand my passion for great audio, absorb a little of that passion yourself, and become a more discriminating "audiophile" when auditioning equipment than you ever imagined!

Title: Re: Recommend an audio set-up
Post by: av_phile1 on Jun 11, 2004 at 05:46 PM



If you are capable of becoming emotionally involved with music, you are an audiophile. Your criteria for evaluating a sound system should simply be how closely it makes recordings sound like live music. This implies you know how live unamplified music sounds and that you can find well-made recordings of it for use as demonstration material.

Why use pristine recordings of acoustic instruments (including voices) playing in natural acoustic settings when that may not be what you typically listen to? If you just use your favorite CD of electrical instruments, there is no natural sound in the real world to serve as a basis for comparison. The same is true to a lesser extent of recordings of acoustic instruments made in dead studios with reverberation added afterward. If you use a poor fidelity recording of acoustic instruments, then your selected sound system will optimally compensate for that recording's faults, but equally color every other recording the same way. It will not do justice to newer, better fidelity recordings.


Excellent article there.  Couldn't agree more.  The real problem really is getting your hands on those recordings out there that can qualify as recordings of performances in an unamplified and natural environment.  And training our ears to distinguish between natural and aritfical sounds by attending live performances in halls and theaters, not open air rock/pop  concerts where you hear giant JBL speakers around you and not the performers.   For the most part, these are classical and jazz ensemble music, which many have difficulty appreciating or would care to listen.
Title: Re: Audio Setup Newbie
Post by: Dracula on Jul 18, 2004 at 03:46 PM
I saw this in a store you guys think this a reasonable enough price?

B&W 602 S3 for 30k, marantz 7200 for 25k, atacama stands for 6k

everything here in the UK is expensive aside from REL subwoofers a little hesitant at going shopping in the audio stores for fear of finding out later when I get home that I was better off waiting a year and buying in the philippines (may SARS yata ako kaya ang hirap magtiis na hindi bumili ang babait pa naman ng mga tao sa audio store nakakahiyang lumabas ng hindi bumibili ;D ;D)
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: eric_draven on Aug 30, 2004 at 12:56 PM
Mga sirs, i don't know much abt this HT stuff kaya i need to ask lame questions...
A relative recently gave me a 5.1 speaker system. Yung made in China lang. The brand is Telefunken and yung subwoofer nya is the amplifier n din. Ok lng b ang performance/sound ng mga ganitong systems? Personally ok lang naman sken and the directional sounds (surrounds, front and center) are ok. Pero I don't have anything to campare it with and I know na la binatbat ito sa mga branded HT systems.  ;D Just wanted to know if the quality of these "generic" systems are ok enough or if I'm missing out on a lot of quality good audio. Tnx!  :D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: iceman90a on Aug 30, 2004 at 01:03 PM
Mga sirs, i don't know much abt this HT stuff kaya i need to ask lame questions...
A relative recently gave me a 5.1 speaker system. Yung made in China lang. The brand is Telefunken and yung subwoofer nya is the amplifier n din. Ok lng b ang performance/sound ng mga ganitong systems? Personally ok lang naman sken and the directional sounds (surrounds, front and center) are ok. Pero I don't have anything to campare it with and I know na la binatbat ito sa mga branded HT systems. ;D Just wanted to know if the quality of these "generic" systems are ok enough or if I'm missing out on a lot of quality good audio. Tnx! :D

as long as YOU enjoy it - OK yan :)

di naman contest dito eh ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Aug 30, 2004 at 02:05 PM
I didn't know Telefunken is now made in China.  THis is a respected brand from Europe, if not mistaken. Like Grundig.   Or is it different? 
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: random on Aug 30, 2004 at 03:43 PM
mga sir tanong lang. can I connect a subwoffer to a NAD 352 AMP? if it is possible, how?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: KEN on Aug 30, 2004 at 06:16 PM
Mga sir importante ba na yung mga system natin ay grounded ? Kasi yung receiver(Yammy RXV800) ko di ko malaman paano i connect sa ground built in yung power cord walang pin para sa ground connection but yung CDP and amps can be connected sa ground and I'm using balance interconnect. Natanong ko ito kasi parang may kaunting current doon sa system  ko. I notice it when I used my index finger and slowly rub it on the top/front metal plate ng receiver parang there is something bet. my skin and the metal plate when ever my other hand touches our flooring or if I'm on bare foot kung di ko naman hawakan yung sahig at may sapin ako sa paa wala naman akong nararamdaman.Paano ko i connect sa ground yung receiver ?


TIA
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: eric_draven on Aug 30, 2004 at 07:01 PM


as long as YOU enjoy it - OK yan :)

di naman contest dito eh ;D

Sir iceman tnx! Kahit papaano eh nakakaenlighten although I feel insecure sympre of other HT systems. Kakainggit. I'm still a student kaya la tlga budget although i'm getting hooked na with all these HT mania going around.  ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: eric_draven on Aug 30, 2004 at 07:11 PM
I didn't know Telefunken is now made in China.  THis is a respected brand from Europe, if not mistaken. Like Grundig.   Or is it different? 

really?! I'm not sure... it says so in the box na it's made in China. Anyway the model is TSP 610. Anybody know if this is good? The speakers are a complete copy of a Sony HT system (nde ko lng alam yung model). Parehong pareho yung floorstand (tama b?) speakers nya. Saw it sa mall recently.  ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 06, 2004 at 02:52 PM
Hi, eric_draven, try a google search of the word "telefunken" and you'll get sites in German.   ;D
Like this one:

http://www.telefunken.de/
 
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: eric_draven on Sep 06, 2004 at 06:48 PM
Hi, eric_draven, try a google search of the word "telefunken" and you'll get sites in German.   ;D
Like this one:

http://www.telefunken.de/
 

ok. tnx sir!  :D
Title: Re:Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: JojoD818 on Sep 06, 2004 at 08:05 PM
Hey guys... some more dummy-newbie questions here:

1. pag sinabing ang av receiver ay 100 watts, ibig sabihin nun per channel 100 watts sya di ba? hindi 100watts total of all channels?

2. ano ba ang tamang impedance rating ng mga speakers? 8 ba or 6 or 4?

3. ano ang ibig sabihin ng Kevlar Cone? At bakit maganda ito (or maganda nga ba)?

1. If it says 100W total then it's 20W per channel if it's 5 ch, otherwise it would be 100W per channel.

2. Loudspeakers comes in 4, 8, 16, and 32 ohms (with some excemptions, of course). However, Speaker systems especially for home use comes in the popular 4, 6, or 8 ohms. the overall impedance presented by the speaker is defined by the drivers itself (woofers, midrange, or tweeters)  and of course the built-in crossover. You should check your amp's output impedance and make sure you match it with the proper speaker. Never connect a lower impedance speaker to an amp if yournot sure the amp can handle it as a load.

3. Kevlar material is popularly used for bullet -proof vests. Now, speakers started using paper cones, polypropelene, coated paper, and so many other materials for the cones. Since the physics of speakers demands a light (to efficiently move air), yet rigid cone (stronger material to avoid tears and clapping), design engineers adopted the use of Kevlar becasue of it's strength and light weight. It is supposed to be very good btw.

This are my answers, others may have a different perspective though.  ;)
Title: Newbie Home Theater Setup: Gurus please help
Post by: cardo on Sep 11, 2004 at 07:36 PM
Hi Guys,

I'm new to this forum and this is post number 1 hehehe

I'm moving onto a new house and planning on setting up my own HT... yun midlevel lang...

I'm a newbie to HT but have some background on car audio...

Anyway, my budget is 50-60k for the speakers and receiver(processor ba tawag dun?), 15k sa DVD player and mga 80-90k for the TV.

May mga naaudition akong package systems, like the Boston Acoustics Digital theater 7000. Ganda! I was so impressed pero not sure if that was just me since it was my 1st time to check out HT systems.

here is a link http://products.consumerguide.com/cp/electronics/review/index.cfm/id/20075

I'm not familiar with HT brands(although I'm familiar with denon, Harman, JBL, Infinity, Bostons since these brands have car audio too) and where to get and audition some. Maybe you can suggest something for my budget.

If you had my budget what system would you build up?

sorry, daming tanong hehehe my first time in HT.

thanks!!!
Title: Re: Newbie Home Theater Setup: Gurus please help
Post by: iceman90a on Sep 11, 2004 at 07:42 PM
check out Architectural Audio at New World Hotel - they'll hook you up, or at least discuss with you your options and requirements ;D

Title: Re: Newbie Home Theater Setup: Gurus please help
Post by: cardo on Sep 11, 2004 at 08:00 PM
thanks ice! This is in Makati I pressume?

quick question lang.... I think I'm getting the hang of this HT after reading some of the posts/FAQs here.

Q:
Pede ba yun setup na to? 2 floor standing 3 way speakers as front... then center channel, then 2 way bookshelf or satellite yun rear speakers. Tas, 5.1 Receiver will power the speakers, DVD player, then powered sub.

Kung floor standing, masmaganda pag separate 2 ch amps? then the receiver will power the center and rear speakers? pwede kaya to?

Title: Re: Newbie Home Theater Setup: Gurus please help
Post by: iceman90a on Sep 11, 2004 at 08:14 PM
thanks ice! This is in Makati I pressume?

quick question lang.... I think I'm getting the hang of this HT after reading some of the posts/FAQs here.

Q:
Pede ba yun setup na to? 2 floor standing 3 way speakers as front... then center channel, then 2 way bookshelf or satellite yun rear speakers. Tas, 5.1 Receiver will power the speakers, DVD player, then powered sub.

Kung floor standing, masmaganda pag separate 2 ch amps? then the receiver will power the center and rear speakers? pwede kaya to?



yup pwede - but i would hold off on the separate amplifiers for the fronts, try using just the receiver first...

here's a site that was very helpful to me (aside from pinoydvd) when i was starting out...

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?&postid=517124#post517124
Title: Re: Newbie Home Theater Setup: Gurus please help
Post by: cardo on Sep 11, 2004 at 08:47 PM
ok, thanks!

In a sense, hindi maooverwhelm yun rear speaker mo even if they are satellites and your front is bookshelf or floorstanding... hmm parang car audio din pala... the more important speakers are on the front hehehe

Yup, that link is informative. Already bookmarked hehehe  ;D

Sa home theater may mga things ba as Time Alignment, Parametric EQ's etc? Or plug n play lahat and just insert your DVD then leave all the processing to the receiver?
Title: Re: Newbie Home Theater Setup: Gurus please help
Post by: iceman90a on Sep 11, 2004 at 08:53 PM
may delay setting din for center and surrounds, channel level settings, bass control, etc. depends on how far you want to go ;D
Title: Newbie: Is this a good match? ps help
Post by: markygail on Sep 13, 2004 at 10:23 PM
Guys,

Match ba yung wharf 8.1(fronts) wharf center(center) wharf cube(rear) and DTX 4.10 sa Yamaha rx-v440?

pls guys help me. sobrang daming threads na kasi dito. no time to search since dialup lang ako.

and kindly update me naman po ng mga prices nila.


Thanks
Title: Re: Newbie Home Theater Setup: Gurus please help
Post by: cardo on Sep 14, 2004 at 12:34 PM
thanks ice!


well, nakapag canvass ako over the weekend here sa filinvest. there were a couple of shops that carry HT packages...

tanong ko lang how is yamaha? do they make their own speakers? is yamaha a midlevel HT brand or do they belong to the big boys of HT? medyo pricey din yun mga packages nila.

here is the Yamaha package:
http://img24.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img24&image=DSC00857.jpg
http://img38.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img38&image=DSC00863.jpg

hows about NHT? They have this package, 2 Floor standing, 2 bookshelves, center sub and a marantz receiver. but it was more than the yamaha, almost 100k+ na...

anyways, I made my first puchase with a 50inch toshiba  ;D
(http://img44.exs.cx/img44/4276/Image411.jpg)
Title: Re: Newbie Home Theater Setup: Gurus please help
Post by: kimpOy on Sep 15, 2004 at 09:04 AM
cardo!!!

pare nandito ka na rin....magastos dito he..he
anyways congrats sa TV mo... inggit ako

about sa yamaha, ok ang receiver niya, for HT talaga lalo na yung mga mid level up to the flagship model,
about the speakers, medyo pricey siya, yoo will bew better kung ibang brand like mordaunt short, Monitor audio, etc etc

75K budget for HT, pare sobrang daming mong options.

if that was my money
siguro HK330 and B&W ang bibilhin ko.
Title: Re: Newbie Home Theater Setup: Gurus please help
Post by: cardo on Sep 15, 2004 at 11:09 AM
kimpoy,
thanks!

kita ko yun B&W, forgot the model name pero I saw a couple of towers and they were like 50k a pair hehehe. di kaya ng powers ko hehehe.

Hows about NHT? I saw them, and heard them and they were WOW! Wow din ang price hehehe. It looked good coz the finish on them were like those expensive pianos. Shinny and glossy in black wood.
Title: Re: Newbie Home Theater Setup: Gurus please help
Post by: kimpOy on Sep 15, 2004 at 02:51 PM
etong hobby kasi natin msyadong subjective...(kanino ko na kasi narinig yun)
that's the beauty, kaya dont take my word or anybody's word, you have to get your butt off that seat and audition he..he


in my auditioning expedition, i was impressed by Harman Kardon and Monitor Audio Bronze Series parang made for each other.

Title: Re: Newbie Home Theater Setup: Gurus please help
Post by: wanderlust on Sep 15, 2004 at 02:57 PM
sir  what b&w model your referring? there are lower priced models for this brand and a have had encountered not a few members here who owns or once owned an HK B&W combi... giving out good and positive feedbacks.

congrats on the TV.
Title: Re: Newbie Home Theater Setup: Gurus please help
Post by: cardo on Sep 15, 2004 at 04:36 PM
i forgot the name of the BnW but they were 3 ways in black wood finish...

hey guys,
How do feel about athena speakers?

http://www.athenaspeakers.com
Title: Re: Newbie Home Theater Setup: Gurus please help
Post by: jcob on Sep 15, 2004 at 04:55 PM
Sir,

All the brands (speakers and receiver) are very good. But you have to listen to all of them  and compare it.

There's a lot of pre-owned HT gear on the buy & Sell section of this site you can also check the wiredstate site buy & sell section. I know iceman is selling his Monitor Audio speakers  and Rel subwoofer for a very good price. I also saw another REL subwoofer being sold at wiredstate.

Have'nt really heard the REL, but this subwoofer is highly regarded in the HiFi industry. I think for the asking price of these sellers, you'll save almost 50% if you'll buy brand new.

Just my opinion..
Title: Re: Newbie Home Theater Setup: Gurus please help
Post by: wanderlust on Sep 15, 2004 at 05:15 PM
read good reviews about athena, specially for there HT line of speakers, but i havent really heard them in action though. and i am yet to meet an athena user here.....
Title: Re: Newbie: Is this a good match? ps help
Post by: kid on Sep 15, 2004 at 06:06 PM
wharf speakers and yammy avr are a good match. some members here started their HT with this combo.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: CeeV on Sep 30, 2004 at 05:34 PM
1) If my receiver is 6.1, ok lang ba if I only have a 5.1 speaker system?


No problem, the 6th rear channel, which is the center rear will be phantomed between the L and R rear channels.  Much a like a phantomed center channel if you don't have a center speaker.

AV_Phile...so you mean the 6th channel is also powered up or gumagana kahit wala naka-hook up na speaker?

would it hurt the 6.1 AV receiver if for the moment am just have to hook it up to a two channel stereo mode lang?...don't have the Moolah pa for the entire Speaker set up..and besides am more incline to audio and 2gether with my wife pa-minsan2 lang mag HT..thanks and more Power/Watts to you guys!!!
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Philander on Sep 30, 2004 at 05:42 PM
AVRs have settings for speakers: You can set the speakers to LARGE, SMALL or NONE
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Cy on Oct 04, 2004 at 08:29 AM
mga sir help naman po,

i have this set-up po:

source: Philips DVD 727K
amp: NAD C320BEE
spkr: Wharf 8.3

Now eto po ung problem, on playing audio, there are songs na parang hindi nya kayang i-handle, i mean, i feel like listening sa FM station na hindi tama ang frequency, basag and tunog (hindi nmn po hiss yung ndidinig ko) even iset ko po yung vol. at 7o'clock.

o nga po pala im using 12gauge generic spkr cable and interconnect na free from dvd player.

yung interconnect kasi ito yung suspect ko(pwede po ba ito yung cause?), sabi ko baka busted o kaya lumuluwag, kaya lang pano kung hindi, broke na nga ako baka maging broken hearted pa :'(  btw, 2 wks old pa lang po  yung amp & spkr.

tnx in advnce... ;)
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: kid on Oct 04, 2004 at 10:13 AM
Cy,

terminated ba yung interconnect mo sir? may break-in period pa kasi yang amp and speakers mo sir.

when playing audio, try using a cd player and u'll see the difference in sound quality.

happy listening and welcome to PinoyDVD!
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Cy on Oct 04, 2004 at 01:52 PM
sir punk,

thank you sir, scout na lng muna ako ng cd player. pansin ko nga sir indi sya ganun for movie, ok naman.

btw, ano po ba ibig sabihin ng "terminated" sa mga interconnect ???? sori sir, totally noob talaga...

tnx.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: kid on Oct 04, 2004 at 03:19 PM
Cy,

terminated ay yung mga binibiling buo like the branded ones, factory terminated tawag nila dun. ganda yang setup mo sir, warm sounding system yan. dating setup ko rin yan when i was just starting. try to change your wires and IC to hear more improvement in your current system.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: bigfoot2 on Oct 12, 2004 at 02:12 AM
Question regarding speaker stands.

Is it ok to use speaker stands made of wood or do I really need to use one of those metal stand with spikes? I plan to make a pair using 3/4" marine ply. If its okay to use wood, any additional tips I need to know before I construct them.

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Oct 12, 2004 at 06:50 PM
My understanding is that wood or plyboard is not exactly the preferred materials for speaker stands, much less as speaker baffles.  They have resonant peaks within the audible range.  That means they will sing together with your speakers at certain frequencies, muddling what comes out of the speakers.  But if you can make them rigid enough not to resonate (which i doubt), then go ahead. 

Those metal stands also resonate but at a much higher frequency, and filling them with construction sand is said to bring the resonance outside of the audible range by making them more solid and heavy.  And those floor spikes are used to anchore the speaker more securely to the floor, through a carpet, if its carpeted, so they don't move .  Additionally, those spikes decouple much of the vibrations the speakers tend to transmit over the floor and back.  They work on the principle that the lesser the contact space between two objects the better.   Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: masterjericho on Dec 19, 2004 at 08:42 AM
hello peeps!

need an advise on this

i want to add a floorstander to my current set up, just want to inquire what would be the

best / recommended equipment. requirement would be : cost (under 10k), durability and

perfomance.

well, i have a yamaha rxv440 packaged with yamaha nsp106. the floorstander will be my

main A speaker while the 2 satellites will now be main B. quite satisfied with my set up

but I would like to try and add a little "ump" and be much presentable.  ;D

now, this is my dilemma,


1. since i am using yammy package, one of my option is to buy floorstander from yamaha too

... wala lang... hehe to make it uniform. although i know that there are far more better speakers

with better price.


2. wharfedale 8.3 / 8.4 -- mejo confused lan ako kung ano mas maganda sa dalawa.  kumbaga

what will make me buy more than the other and naturally, to other brands as well... i've heard

also na power hungry to eh, kayanin kaya?


3. other brands like daiichi, konzert and etc...


4. kalimutan na lang lahat ng ito and just buy myself an ipod mini  O0


TIA


Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: levi on Dec 20, 2004 at 10:50 PM
Its not safe to use speaker A and B at the same time especially at high volumes. Just get the floorstander and satellites can be used for the rear. If you want more "ump" why not add a good subwoofer?
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: berniebau on Dec 22, 2004 at 05:27 AM
regarding no. 2

palagay ko mas ok kung 8.3 + sub if the budget permits.  kung hindi naman, ok naman ang 8.4. kaya lang hindi ko lam regarding power handling ng 440.  ang perception ko sa 8.3 mas "musical" kaysa sa 8.4. (the latter being to boomy, daw). sabi kasi sa threads dito. naka 8.4 din ako, feeling ko hirap ang amp ko(SR500). kaya gusto ko tulungan ng sub. or upgrade the amp/ i'm thinking of 650 kaya napabasa ko dito sa yamaha thread.  :)
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Control on Dec 22, 2004 at 08:45 AM
2. wharfedale 8.3 / 8.4 -- mejo confused lan ako kung ano mas maganda sa dalawa.  kumbaga

what will make me buy more than the other and naturally, to other brands as well... i've heard

also na power hungry to eh, kayanin kaya?


Sir, you could try Wharfe Diamond 8.3 or Diamond 9.4. Audition them just to be surely it satisfies your taste  ;)
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: jerix on Dec 22, 2004 at 08:55 AM
Its not safe to use speaker A and B at the same time especially at high volumes. Just get the floorstander and satellites can be used for the rear. If you want more "ump" why not add a good subwoofer?

Sirs m curious about this--- can anyone further explain this please--   ::)
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 22, 2004 at 04:21 PM
This has something to do with impedance handling.  Operating both speaker A and B at the same time will halve the effective impedance being seen by the amp.  That's because most A and B speaker connections are done in parallel. 

Not many receivers allow this.  It's often either Speaker A OR B, not A + B.  The few that do usually can handle speaker loads of 4 ohms.  Some have speaker impedance switches.  But, if you have 4 or 6-ohm speakers for either speakers A or B, operatinb both will yield an effective impedance less than 4ohms.  Unless the amp specifically says it can handle loads lower then 4ohms, the amp will heat up unnecessarily and could go into thermal runaway at high volumes.  Then you can kiss it goodbye.  ;D

Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: berniebau on Dec 23, 2004 at 10:50 AM
aliw talaga magbasa ng post ni sir av_phile1. dami kang mapupulot... :)

anyway, with my receiver, A+B pede sabay, pero fronts lang gagana sa speaker A. or lahat ba ba pag sinabing speaker A fronts lang talga? review ko nga ang manual. hehehe :P
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: jerix on Dec 23, 2004 at 10:57 AM
Indeed this is a very good additional info for me, kaya pala napapansin ko once i crank up the volume up to 3pm OVERLOAD cia-- and receiver voluntarily OFF himself :-\ lower than this hindi naman. maybe ill operate A and B at normal level na lang or better as recommended di na sila mag duet--  ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: berniebau on Dec 23, 2004 at 11:06 AM
nareview ko na.. hehehe kapag speaker A nga fronts lang ibig sabihin... so kapag A+B working.. hindi pede multichannel, like DD/DTS/etc.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: kid on Dec 23, 2004 at 11:10 AM
what's the purpose of connecting both A & B speakers to the amp? is it really a good sounding one?
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 23, 2004 at 11:40 AM
Speakers A and B connections/selection are meant to accommodate TWO sets of speakers (often in stereo mode) in TWO different rooms.

Some receivers will allow A + B operation so you can have two stereo pairs operating at the same time in two different rooms or even in the same room giving out the same program. (To distinguish this from the multi-room facility of most HT receivers.)  So you get 2 stereo pairs.  But it's still STEREO. 4 speakers in stereo.   Not Multichannel.

Will such a set-up sound better?  That's all up to the listener.  But for sure the impedance seen by the amp's individual channels is halved.  The total power is theoretically doubled (if the amp is high-current enough to allow this), but is spread to more speakers.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: kid on Dec 23, 2004 at 12:39 PM
Got your point Sir AV_phile  ;)

So you can use them for HT and Audio. There is not much improvement in sound quality if you use both A & B, you will just overload it  ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: masterjericho on Dec 23, 2004 at 10:44 PM
hi peeps!

thanks for the infos...

im on to wharf hunting... hehehe  ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: masterjericho on Jan 02, 2005 at 11:48 AM
arrgh!!! here i am again... hirap talaga pag mejo newbie pa...

already set my eyes on Wharfedale 9.5 but saw a forumer selling his

Mordaunt Short 914 at a bargain price.

question is, if you were me, what will you choose?

alin kaya mas maganda dito?  ???

tia
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Control on Jan 03, 2005 at 11:19 AM
arrgh!!! here i am again... hirap talaga pag mejo newbie pa...

already set my eyes on Wharfedale 9.5 but saw a forumer selling his

Mordaunt Short 914 at a bargain price.

question is, if you were me, what will you choose?

alin kaya mas maganda dito?  ???

tia

Sir, sensitivity wise, I'll choose MS..power hungry kasi ang wharfe..Lalo na si Mr. Audioslave pa.. Maingat sa gamit yan (Trust me coz I personally know the person).. But it's still up to you Sir...
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: kid on Jan 03, 2005 at 01:07 PM
Audition them both Sir..... kaya lang mas lamang na MS kasi broken in na yun  ;D and let your ears decide  ;)

Good Luck!
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: jeckjeck on Jan 03, 2005 at 03:01 PM
arrgh!!! here i am again... hirap talaga pag mejo newbie pa...

already set my eyes on Wharfedale 9.5 but saw a forumer selling his

Mordaunt Short 914 at a bargain price.

question is, if you were me, what will you choose?

alin kaya mas maganda dito?  ???

tia

get the MS... mura na 'yan! You can use your left-over cash pa for other stuff! For a newbie, start with the basic and the ones that will give you the best savings... Once you develop your taste, then start to upgrade slowly... I use MS myself also purchased 2nd hand here sa Marketplace... basta trusted yung seller, go for it!  ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: jerix on Jan 13, 2005 at 07:23 AM
Good day to all,

just wanna know whether the magnetic interference to the TV brought about by the close distance of an unshielded speaker to it is true even if the said speaker is not being used --  ::) salamat po!
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: gaol on Jan 13, 2005 at 08:27 AM
Good day to all,

just wanna know whether the magnetic interference to the TV brought about by the close distance of an unshielded speaker to it is true even if the said speaker is not being used --  ::) salamat po!

Yes. The speaker magnet is active even if it's not being used.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: james16 on Jan 13, 2005 at 08:49 AM
Good day to all,

just wanna know whether the magnetic interference to the TV brought about by the close distance of an unshielded speaker to it is true even if the said speaker is not being used --  ::) salamat po!

i would strongly suggest na ilayo nyo po yung unshielded speaker sa tv nyo po dahil cgurado malaki epekto nya po sa picture quality sa tv.....
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: jerix on Jan 13, 2005 at 03:32 PM
bro Gaol, James tnks for ur inputs --- so once the discoloration or color bleading on the TV disappears as i move out the speaker or place something thick in between, (this is what im thinkin now, actually-  ::)) ok na yun. ;)
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: james16 on Jan 14, 2005 at 04:26 AM
bro Gaol, James tnks for ur inputs --- so once the discoloration or color bleading on the TV disappears as i move out the speaker or place something thick in between, (this is what im thinkin now, actually-  ::)) ok na yun. ;)


opo, para sakin ok na yun... ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: masterjericho on Jan 16, 2005 at 05:06 PM
thanks for your advises...

have already bought a floorstander...  O0

another newbie question, do speaker cables/wire length

matter? i know that the longer will affect impedance. but hw

about the shorter lengths?


i was so excited that i didnt bother checking this.


i initially bought 4 meters ( maybe 12 gauge ??? ) of speakercables and got home

thinking 2 meters each for my "new" fronts  :)

then i found that my speakers can be bi-wired so i thought making  the cables 1 meter biwired

each.


so problem now, is this advisable? (having just 1 meter in length). or should i buy four 2 meters

cable wires? or is there really a minimum length for speaker wires?


Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: bumblebee on Jan 17, 2005 at 08:27 AM
thanks for your advises...

have already bought a floorstander...  O0

another newbie question, do speaker cables/wire length

matter? i know that the longer will affect impedance. but hw

about the shorter lengths?


i was so excited that i didnt bother checking this.


i initially bought 4 meters ( maybe 12 gauge ??? ) of speakercables and got home

thinking 2 meters each for my "new" fronts  :)

then i found that my speakers can be bi-wired so i thought making  the cables 1 meter biwired

each.


so problem now, is this advisable? (having just 1 meter in length). or should i buy four 2 meters

cable wires? or is there really a minimum length for speaker wires?





the thicker the wire, the better.

the shorter the wire, the better.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Jan 17, 2005 at 10:05 AM
At the lengths and gauges you mentioned, it doesn't matter. 

If you want a more detailed and informed article, check this site:

http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/audioprinciples/interconnects/SpeakerCablelength.php
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: arthurallanj on Jan 25, 2005 at 02:50 PM
Questions from a newbie (ME) Hehehe  ;D: What do these acronyms stand for? OEM & VGA
What's the difference between VGA and DVI? Anybody can answer. Thanks.  ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: MAtZTER on Jan 26, 2005 at 10:57 AM
Questions from a newbie (ME) Hehehe  ;D: What do these acronyms stand for? OEM & VGA
What's the difference between VGA and DVI? Anybody can answer. Thanks.  ;D

DVI (Digital Visual Interface) is available only for LCD, DLP or Plasma TVs. Although Samsung has released a new RPTV with VGA and DVI input. What excites me about DVI is that, with the new High Definition DVD players, it can upconvert our 480 video signals to 720 or 1080 (correct me if I am wrong) for a clearer video. What doesnt excite me are the prices of the TVs with DVI input  ;D

Quoted from Mouldingo from Samsung DVD HD941 Thread:

DVI-D and HDMI(High Definition Multimedia Interface) are almost the same. They are signal cables which route digital signals from your player or source to your monitor. DVI-D is prevelant in PC hardware. Mid and Hi-end video cards and newer LCD computer monitors have this. HDMI has audio, something DVI-D doesn't. Many newer HD TV have either one of them or both. Pioneer, NEC and Sony has HDMI while Hitachi and Samsung has DVI-D. Hitachi's latest 42" plasma has both. Samsung DVD-HD748 has DVI-D while DVD-HD948 has HDMI. HD948 includes an adapter cable so you can connect HDMI to a DVI-D Monitor. But there are some issues regarding use of the adapter. Pioneer DV-969AVi had HDMI only while Denon DVD player 2910 and 3910 have both outputs. HDMI and DVI-D are the only way you can view upscaled video, and may be the only way to watch HD-DVD or Blu-ray. You can only access Faroudja through your component video, it is a progressive program which improve your video signal to 480P.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: arthurallanj on Jan 26, 2005 at 01:36 PM
DVI (Digital Visual Interface) is available only for LCD, DLP or Plasma TVs. Although Samsung has released a new RPTV with VGA and DVI input. What excites me about DVI is that, with the new High Definition DVD players, it can upconvert our 480 video signals to 720 or 1080 (correct me if I am wrong) for a clearer video. What doesnt excite me is the prices of the TVs with DVI input  ;D

Quoted from Mouldingo from Samsung DVD HD941 Thread:

DVI-D and HDMI(High Definition Multimedia Interface) are almost the same. They are signal cables which route digital signals from your player or source to your monitor. DVI-D is prevelant in PC hardware. Mid and Hi-end video cards and newer LCD computer monitors have this. HDMI has audio, something DVI-D doesn't. Many newer HD TV have either one of them or both. Pioneer, NEC and Sony has HDMI while Hitachi and Samsung has DVI-D. Hitachi's latest 42" plasma has both. Samsung DVD-HD748 has DVI-D while DVD-HD948 has HDMI. HD948 includes an adapter cable so you can connect HDMI to a DVI-D Monitor. But there are some issues regarding use of the adapter. Pioneer DV-969AVi had HDMI only while Denon DVD player 2910 and 3910 have both outputs. HDMI and DVI-D are the only way you can view upscaled video, and may be the only way to watch HD-DVD or Blu-ray. You can only access Faroudja through your component video, it is a progressive program which improve your video signal to 480P.

So what differences do VGA, DVI, and component video signals have? Thanks

Oh and ahh, maraming surplus TVs na may DVI input. Mura pa. Just goes to show kung gaano tayo ka delayed sa technology.  ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: MAtZTER on Jan 26, 2005 at 01:55 PM
Component = analog
DVI = digital
VGA = dunno, digital? not all TVs have this

So the Faroudja upconvert via component is analog and the DVI upconverts digitally.

What kind of TVs are these surplus with the DVI input ? And where are they being sold?
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: MAtZTER on Jan 28, 2005 at 07:53 PM
I just found out that my rear back surround, a pair of 120w manex 4-way bass reflex speaker system,  has an impedance of 4 ohms. The RXV-450 manual says that all surrounds has to be 6 ohms.

I found this among the stuff my mom won from raffles, Sayang, they are pretty nice speakers pa naman. It has a directional mounting device that makes it good for rear/ rear back surrounds. What if I use 2 of these in series? would it be worse for the AVR?


Stats on the box:
4" super bass subwoofer
2 1/4" stronium ferrite magnet midrange (Are these real or BOLA?)
1 3/4" dome super tweeter
1" super piezo tweeter
Freq response : 60-22,000 Hz
120w, 4 ohms

Pag walang choice I could use these 4 ohm speakers as Speaker B since the manual says this is OK.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: arthurallanj on Jan 29, 2005 at 10:11 AM
I just found out that my rear back surround, a 120w manex 4-way bass reflex speaker system,  has an impedance of 4 ohms. The RXV-450 manual says that all surrounds has to be 6 ohms.

I found this among the stuff my mom won from raffles, Sayang, they are pretty nice speakers pa naman. It has a directional mounting device that makes it good for rear surrounds. What if I use 2 of these in series? would it be worse for the AVR?


Stats on the box:
4" super bass subwoofer
2 1/4" stronium ferrite magnet midrange (Are these real or BOLA?)
1 3/4" dome super tweeter
1" super piezo tweeter
Freq response : 60-22,000 Hz
120w, 4 ohms

Pag walang choice I could use these 4 ohm speakers as Speaker B since the manual says this is OK.

If you use these speakers in series then okay sya, the amp will see it as an 8 Ohm load, but remember, series.

I think you cannot use two pairs of speakers if one of them has a 4 Ohm impedance. To my knowledge, Yamaha amps canm handle 4 Ohm loads at the front channels if, and only if, you use just one pair of speakers, not two. I think it's best you check again since the back of the amp says, speaker A or B: 4 Ohms, speaker A & B: 8 Ohms. So, the minimum impedance for attaching 2 pairs of speakers would be 8 Ohms on both pairs.  ;)
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: jackryan on Jan 29, 2005 at 10:16 AM
If you use these speakers in series then okay sya, the amp will see it as an 8 Ohm load, but remember, series.

I think you cannot use two pairs of speakers if one of them has a 4 Ohm impedance. To my knowledge, Yamaha amps canm handle 4 Ohm loads at the front channels if, and only if, you use just one pair of speakers, not two. I think it's best you check again since the back of the amp says, speaker A or B: 4 Ohms, speaker A & B: 8 Ohms. So, the minimum impedance for attaching 2 pairs of speakers would be 8 Ohms on both pairs.  ;)

Quick question related to this question, how come with car speakers typically have ratings that indicate 4-8 ohms or in other words variable value... would a subwoofer speaker for a car be used for HT applications particularly if it happens to have such a variable ohm value ?
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: MAtZTER on Jan 29, 2005 at 12:57 PM
If you use these speakers in series then okay sya, the amp will see it as an 8 Ohm load, but remember, series.

I think you cannot use two pairs of speakers if one of them has a 4 Ohm impedance. To my knowledge, Yamaha amps canm handle 4 Ohm loads at the front channels if, and only if, you use just one pair of speakers, not two. I think it's best you check again since the back of the amp says, speaker A or B: 4 Ohms, speaker A & B: 8 Ohms. So, the minimum impedance for attaching 2 pairs of speakers would be 8 Ohms on both pairs.  ;)

Correct ka dyan about the fronts! Thanks for the info on the series. I just checked the manual and it says the surrounds have to be 6 ohms or higher, so 8 ohms in series would do. All my WH-2 (center & bipole surrounds) also says that their impedance is 4-8 ohms. so I guess pwede sila i-series when I move to our new house s few months from now.

I learned something new today...

 Man, I love pinoydvd!

Gna make the necessary kalikots now...
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: bumblebee on Feb 04, 2005 at 12:03 PM
sirs,

i have a question. how does the volume control works? is this a linear increase/decrease in spl or watts?  :-[

thanks.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: AlvinladeN on Feb 04, 2005 at 01:06 PM
mga bozz, meron bang test tone CD na magtetest kung tama yung 5.1 setup ko? san ba makakabili nito? pwede ba to i DIY? TIA :)
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: MAtZTER on Feb 04, 2005 at 09:26 PM
mga bozz, meron bang test tone CD na magtetest kung tama yung 5.1 setup ko? san ba makakabili nito? pwede ba to i DIY? TIA :)

I just finished testing mine awhile ago through DIGITAL VIDEO ESSENTIALS. I just borrowed it from a friend so I dunno where to buy it.  Anyone know?
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: jeckjeck on Feb 04, 2005 at 09:56 PM
mga bozz, meron bang test tone CD na magtetest kung tama yung 5.1 setup ko? san ba makakabili nito? pwede ba to i DIY? TIA :)

If you have the Indiana Jones or Star Wars Trilogies, the discs come with the THX calibration feature. I used that to calibrate my audio and video and super okay yung results especially sa video... ganda na ng mix ng brightness, color & contrast  ;D
Title: NEWBIE HERE!
Post by: jobm on Feb 12, 2005 at 02:21 PM
hi all! been lurking around for quite some time, and decided to come out of my shell. (as i don't understand a whole lot of jargon here :() found out this site earlier this year from someone in an audio store in greenbelt, architect audio yata yon??? and one person who was very accomodating told me about this forum. (forgot his name but still have his card in the office;)) anyway, i hope to learn a lot of things from here like component video, coaxial cables, home theaters and all that stuff i really have no clue about.

as an intro, i have your basic components like a Philips 29" pixel plus, a Xenon DVD player, 4 medium-sized speakers from a Sony mini component that doesn't work anymore, and a PlayStation 2. I'd like to ask for some suggestions on how i can maximize these to have a decent system which i can enjoy, and not necessarily wake up the neighbors :)

hope to hear from all of you :)

jobm
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: MAtZTER on Feb 13, 2005 at 08:08 AM
Question guys...

I just acquired a set of 8 ohms Mission speakers (fronts, Dipole surrounds, and center)courtesy of the marketplace.

I have now moved the impedance switch of my yammy 450 to handle 8ohm loads. The setting allows 8 ohms + for fronts & surrounds.

My previous setup used 6 ohms DTX towers & 4-8 ohm WH-2 center & surround. Previously, the impedance mode was in 4 ohms & above  for front and 6 ohms & above for surrounds. If I want to use A+B, I have to have 8 ohms & above for each speaker.

Yammy 450 is 85wpc @ 8 ohms & 130wpc @ 6 ohms. If I want to retain my 6 ohm DTX towers for speaker B, I have to switch back to the 6 ohm mode. If I use this mode with all other speakers  in 8 ohms, will there be an effect in the overall quality of the sound? Is it best to use the 8 ohm mode & forget the DTX? or is using the 6 ohm mode ok for the 8 ohm speakers.

Thanks in advance  :)
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: MAtZTER on Feb 13, 2005 at 08:49 AM
I just found out that my rear back surround, a pair of 120w manex 4-way bass reflex speaker system,  has an impedance of 4 ohms. The RXV-450 manual says that all surrounds has to be 6 ohms.

I found this among the stuff my mom won from raffles, Sayang, they are pretty nice speakers pa naman. It has a directional mounting device that makes it good for rear/ rear back surrounds. What if I use 2 of these in series? would it be worse for the AVR?

I used the above in series and it was good for rear back surround.
The better thing was it was a tonal match for the new mission speakers I got from the marketplace.
And the best thing of all is... its FREE.... Thanks mama! ;D
Title: Re: NEWBIE HERE!
Post by: purple_jedi on Feb 13, 2005 at 04:13 PM
welcome to PDVD forum jobm. first thing's first,  invest on a decent av receiver so you can hook up all your current gear  :)
Title: Re: NEWBIE HERE!
Post by: purple_jedi on Feb 13, 2005 at 04:17 PM
welcome to PDVD forum jobm. first thing's first,  invest on a decent av receiver so you can hook up all your current gear  :) check out members' recommendations here http://www.pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?board=62.0http://
Title: Re: NEWBIE HERE!
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 14, 2005 at 11:00 AM
I pressume your Xenon DVD player is connected to the Philips TV via S-cable or component out for video and a stereo RCA cable for L and R audio channels.

There's really nothing much you can do with the 4 Sony speakers unless the TV has stereo and rear speaker out terminals.  You would need at least an HT receiver which is the control center or heart of most HT set-ups.   Then you can hook up the TV, player and speakers to form one home entertainment center.  No guarantees that the Sony speakers will work fine as they are most likely 4-ohm speakers that most receivers will have difficulty driving.  If they are 4-ohm speakers, your best bet would be a NAD receiver, an HK or a yamaha with the 4-ohm/8-ohm impedance selector switch at the back.  If they're 8-ohm speakers, any commercial moderately powered HT receiver will do. 
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: spiderdude on Feb 17, 2005 at 04:57 PM
Hi guys, ask ko lang my Kenwood AVR says 8ohm lang siya. I heard masisira raw yung amp pagumamit ng 6ohm na speaker. I like to buy Wharfedale  Diamond 9 but 6ohm siya but in the brochure, it says its compatible to 8ohm AVR. So panu na? I am bit confused. Thx 
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: bumblebee on Feb 17, 2005 at 08:38 PM
Hi guys, ask ko lang my Kenwood AVR says 8ohm lang siya. I heard masisira raw yung amp pagumamit ng 6ohm na speaker. I like to buy Wharfedale  Diamond 9 but 6ohm siya but in the brochure, it says its compatible to 8ohm AVR. So panu na? I am bit confused. Thx 

variable naman ang impedance ng speakers e. an 8 ohm speaker may go as low as 4 or even 2 ohms during play. expect the amp to heat up faster than it normally would.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: 24bit on Feb 22, 2005 at 07:49 PM
mga bozz, meron bang test tone CD na magtetest kung tama yung 5.1 setup ko? san ba makakabili nito? pwede ba to i DIY? TIA :)

I have an ultimate DVD sampler (2 Disk) for setting Home theater. PM me if you are interested to buy it.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Lennon on Feb 28, 2005 at 06:10 PM
Guys, a stupid newbie question:

I have a Pioneer VS-600DVD mini compo with DTS with front and small surround speakers. Is it possible to make a 5.1 setup out of this? Can I just buy an affordable AV receiver (e.g. Konzert) and an additional  center and sub? I'll still use the mini compo to play my DVDs/CDs. Pwede ba to? I'd appreciate your expert opinions. Thanks.
Title: Newbie: DVD Mini-Compo to 5.1 Setup?
Post by: Lennon on Mar 03, 2005 at 01:58 PM
Help please. I've already posted this in the sticky but nobody seemed to notice it so I decided to start a new one. Mods, feel free to delete if you deem necessary.

I have a Pioneer VS-600DVD mini compo with DTS with front and small surround speakers. Is it possible to make a 5.1 setup out of this? Can I just buy an affordable AV receiver (e.g. Konzert) and an additional  center and sub? I'll still use the mini compo to play my DVDs/CDs. Pwede ba to? I'd appreciate your expert opinions. Thanks.
Title: Re: Newbie: DVD Mini-Compo to 5.1 Setup?
Post by: bumblebee on Mar 03, 2005 at 02:09 PM
Help please. I've already posted this in the sticky but nobody seemed to notice it so I decided to start a new one. Mods, feel free to delete if you deem necessary.

I have a Pioneer VS-600DVD mini compo with DTS with front and small surround speakers. Is it possible to make a 5.1 setup out of this? Can I just buy an affordable AV receiver (e.g. Konzert) and an additional  center and sub? I'll still use the mini compo to play my DVDs/CDs. Pwede ba to? I'd appreciate your expert opinions. Thanks.

Lennon, anu-ano output ng pioneer na yan? optical? coaxial? 5.1?
Title: Re: Newbie: DVD Mini-Compo to 5.1 Setup?
Post by: Lennon on Mar 03, 2005 at 02:44 PM
Lennon, anu-ano output ng pioneer na yan? optical? coaxial? 5.1?

Boss bumblebee, I have to double check when I get home. Pero as far as I remember (sana tama), the audio outputs are only optical and the regular RCA. Will that do? ???
Title: Re: Newbie: DVD Mini-Compo to 5.1 Setup?
Post by: bumblebee on Mar 03, 2005 at 02:56 PM
Boss bumblebee, I have to double check when I get home. Pero as far as I remember (sana tama), the audio outputs are only optical and the regular RCA. Will that do? ???


if you have the optical out, you can get that konzert, provided of course, it has optical in.

hope that helps :)
Title: Re: Newbie: DVD Mini-Compo to 5.1 Setup?
Post by: Lennon on Mar 03, 2005 at 03:49 PM
if you have the optical out, you can get that konzert, provided of course, it has optical in.

hope that helps :)

Thanks.

If it's not too much to ask, maybe you can also help me out with regards to the center speaker and sub. I honestly don't understand how to match different speakers so I'd appreciate your help. All I know is the bookshelf speakers that came with my mini-compo has the following specs (Nominal impedance: 6 ohms, Freq. response: 40 Hz to 20kHz, max. power: 140 W). I don't know which of those is significant. The rear surround speakers are those small ones (like the size of PC speakers) but there are no ratings so I don't know the specs.

About the Konzert AV, I don't have a particular model in mind. I just read that it's one of the cheaper types you can buy from Raon for under 3K. Maybe someone can help me out with that too. What's the highly suggested Konzert model nowadays? I scanned the Konzert AV thread but majority of the posts were already outdated.

Help please, coz I don't know what things to consider to get these stuff together to form a 5.1 system. Thanks a bunch.
Title: Re: Newbie: DVD Mini-Compo to 5.1 Setup?
Post by: bumblebee on Mar 03, 2005 at 04:06 PM
you can use the konzert to power your speakers instead of the pioneer. matching speakers mean having the front left, right and center to be of the same brand and model. since you mentioned dts and optical out, i assume the pioneer can output raw dts signals for the konzert to process. as for the sub, you'll a need a powered one.

btw, how much are you willing to shell out? kc you might as well get another generic player w/ 5.1 outs and some generic powered 5.1 speakers if the budget is too tight.
Title: Re: Newbie: DVD Mini-Compo to 5.1 Setup?
Post by: Lennon on Mar 03, 2005 at 04:32 PM
you can use the konzert to power your speakers instead of the pioneer. matching speakers mean having the front left, right and center to be of the same brand and model. since you mentioned dts and optical out, i assume the pioneer can output raw dts signals for the konzert to process. as for the sub, you'll a need a powered one.

btw, how much are you willing to shell out? kc you might as well get another generic player w/ 5.1 outs and some generic powered 5.1 speakers if the budget is too tight.

So you mean to say if I get a generic DVD player with 5.1 outs and some generic 5.1 spkrs, I won't be needing an AVR? So I won't be able to use the speaker system for TV viewing?
How much of a budget are we talking about if I want to buy an AVR, center speaker and sub (btw, how do I know if its powered?) to match my existing sytem (Yung mga tipong Konzert lang)? And how much cheaper/expensive is it (more or less) compared to your suggested solution?

Thanks a lot for your help. Pasensiya na for asking so many questions coz newbie talaga ako e.
Title: Re: Newbie: DVD Mini-Compo to 5.1 Setup?
Post by: bumblebee on Mar 03, 2005 at 07:15 PM
let's say a generic player costs 3k. there are generic 5.1 speakers for 3k also. so that's 6k.

if you opt for the avr, the cheapest brand new sub i can recall  (for the knozert) is already 6k.

Title: Re: Newbie: DVD Mini-Compo to 5.1 Setup?
Post by: Lennon on Mar 04, 2005 at 12:38 PM
Is it okay if I just buy a Konzert AVR and a Rongxin 5.1 speaker set to go along with my DVD Mini-Compo player?
Title: Re: Newbie: DVD Mini-Compo to 5.1 Setup?
Post by: bumblebee on Mar 04, 2005 at 12:54 PM
Is it okay if I just buy a Konzert AVR and a Rongxin 5.1 speaker set to go along with my DVD Mini-Compo player?

if you do that, the konzert will just perform the processing of the signals. sayang ang amp section nito. and the powered rongxin will need 5.1 pre outs from the konzert, if ever the konzert have these.

powered speakers are usually used w/ dvd players w/ built in dd and dts processing. you can always use avrs w/ 5.1 outs pro overkill na ito ;D

so if you really want an avr, you'll need passive speakers (not powered).

and powered subs.
Title: Re: Newbie: DVD Mini-Compo to 5.1 Setup?
Post by: Lennon on Mar 04, 2005 at 01:44 PM
if you do that, the konzert will just perform the processing of the signals. sayang ang amp section nito. and the powered rongxin will need 5.1 pre outs from the konzert, if ever the konzert has this.

powered speakers are usually used w/ dvd players w/ built in dd and dts processing. you can always use avrs w/ 5.1 outs pro overkill na ito ;D

so if you really want an avr, you'll need passive speakers (not powered).

and powered subs.

Okay. I think I'm finally getting it.
If I go the generic DVD player plus rongxin 5.1 speakers route, is there a way for me to use this audio setup for TV viewing, console gaming, and the like?

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Newbie: DVD Mini-Compo to 5.1 Setup?
Post by: bumblebee on Mar 04, 2005 at 01:52 PM
Okay. I think I'm finally getting it.
If I go the generic DVD player plus rongxin 5.1 speakers route, is there a way for me to use this audio setup for TV viewing, console gaming, and the like?

Thanks again.


you'll need an avr for 5.1 gaming. unless the powered speakers have built in decoders. the rongxin is intented for sources w/ 5.1 outs.
Title: Re: Newbie: DVD Mini-Compo to 5.1 Setup?
Post by: bumblebee on Mar 04, 2005 at 01:59 PM
it would help if you can tell how much you can afford ;D
Title: Re: Newbie: DVD Mini-Compo to 5.1 Setup?
Post by: Lennon on Mar 04, 2005 at 02:26 PM
you'll need an avr for 5.1 gaming. unless the powered speakers have built in decoders. the rongxin is intented for sources w/ 5.1 outs.

I see. My budget for now is only around 6k.  Do you know of any generic powered speakers that have built in decoders?  ???
Title: Re: Newbie: DVD Mini-Compo to 5.1 Setup?
Post by: bumblebee on Mar 04, 2005 at 02:37 PM
the only ones i know are in the 10k+ range and are branded-yamahas, logitechs.

benta mo na lang yung pioneer mo, tapos iwork out natin yung budget ;D
Title: Re: Newbie: DVD Mini-Compo to 5.1 Setup?
Post by: Lennon on Mar 04, 2005 at 02:49 PM
Last question (hopefully), are all generic 5.1 speaker sets powered?
Title: Re: Newbie: DVD Mini-Compo to 5.1 Setup?
Post by: bumblebee on Mar 04, 2005 at 02:55 PM
Last question (hopefully), are all generic 5.1 speaker sets powered?

all the generic sets ive seen are powered.
Title: Re: Newbie: DVD Mini-Compo to 5.1 Setup?
Post by: Lennon on Mar 04, 2005 at 05:50 PM
Ah okay. Thanks a bunch, dude.  :D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Quitacet on Mar 07, 2005 at 02:05 PM
Guys,

Is there a way to connect two DVD players to a common 5.1 Speaker system? The player won't be used at the same time (i.e. one will be used for DVDs, the other for listening to CDs, MP3s, WAV files).

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: jeckjeck on Mar 07, 2005 at 04:42 PM
Guys,

Is there a way to connect two DVD players to a common 5.1 Speaker system? The player won't be used at the same time (i.e. one will be used for DVDs, the other for listening to CDs, MP3s, WAV files).

Thanks in advance!

dude, AVRs usually have several inputs for multiple sources. just hook up your "video" dvd siguro to the digital input (the black one) then attach the "audio" dvd to one of the analog inputs (red & white)... you can then switch sources on the AVR controls 
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: d00dZ on Mar 07, 2005 at 04:43 PM
Question for the electrical experts:

What do I need a

- surge protector

- UPS

- AVR

- line conditioner for

 for?

Do I need ALL of these?  :o Which should I prioritize if I'm gonna get them one by one coz of budget constraints?  :-\ Thanks
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Quitacet on Mar 07, 2005 at 06:31 PM
dude, AVRs usually have several inputs for multiple sources. just hook up your "video" dvd siguro to the digital input (the black one) then attach the "audio" dvd to one of the analog inputs (red & white)... you can then switch sources on the AVR controls 

Bro. is there a possible way to connect two players to a common 5.1 speaker system without having to use an AVR? Is there an adaptor, connector, jack, or anything that I can use so that the input on the 5.1 speaker system would come from both players? Thanks again!
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Quitacet on Mar 08, 2005 at 10:56 AM
Bumping!

Is there a possible way to connect two players to a common 5.1 speaker system without having to use an AVR? Is there an adaptor, connector, jack, or anything that I can use so that the input on the 5.1 speaker system would come from both players? Thanks again!
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Mar 08, 2005 at 03:06 PM
I have to wonder why you want to play two DVD players simultanously connected to one set of 5.1 speakers without going through a selection switch that AVRs offer.  They're powered speakers I suppose, right?

You could use  Y cables for each input to the line-in termnals of the 5.1 speakers.  You could either DIY or find one from electronic shops, Radio Shack or in ACA hardware. 
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Quitacet on Mar 08, 2005 at 03:34 PM
I have to wonder why you want to play two DVD players simultanously connected to one set of 5.1 speakers without going through a selection switch that AVRs offer.  They're powered speakers I suppose, right?

You could use  Y cables for each input to the line-in termnals of the 5.1 speakers.  You could either DIY or find one from electronic shops, Radio Shack or in ACA hardware. 

No sir, the two players won't be played simultaneously. I just want to use one powered 5.1 speaker system for the two players.

Thanks very much!
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: turismo1997 on Mar 19, 2005 at 05:13 PM
mga bro, me newbie question ako..

yung previous receiver ko eh spring clip type yung connection na ginagamit para sa speaker wires. kung palitan ko na yung speaker ko at banana plug type yung speaker connections nya, me babaguhin pa ba ako? thanks
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: bumblebee on Mar 19, 2005 at 08:00 PM
mga bro, me newbie question ako..

yung previous receiver ko eh spring clip type yung connection na ginagamit para sa speaker wires. kung palitan ko na yung speaker ko at banana plug type yung speaker connections nya, me babaguhin pa ba ako? thanks

you can use bare wires for both ends.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: keema on Mar 21, 2005 at 07:09 AM
hi! tanong ko lang po..lahat po ba ng receivers parepareho lang? wag nyong sama yung wattage. nagkakaiba lang ba sa mga features yun? pagdating naman sa sounds, nasa receiver pa ba yun or sa speakers na yun?
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: turismo1997 on Mar 21, 2005 at 08:59 AM
you can use bare wires for both ends.

thanks
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: bumblebee on Mar 21, 2005 at 09:03 AM
hi! tanong ko lang po..lahat po ba ng receivers parepareho lang? wag nyong sama yung wattage. nagkakaiba lang ba sa mga features yun? pagdating naman sa sounds, nasa receiver pa ba yun or sa speakers na yun?

different receivers have different sound characteristics. both amp and speakers dictate how a system will sound. with the speakers usually having the greater effect.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: mcbry on Mar 21, 2005 at 09:27 AM
hi! tanong ko lang po..lahat po ba ng receivers parepareho lang? wag nyong sama yung wattage. nagkakaiba lang ba sa mga features yun? pagdating naman sa sounds, nasa receiver pa ba yun or sa speakers na yun?

there are receivers that are known to perform great in ht and there are also receivers that are know to perform great ni music... there are also receivers that perform great in both ht and music...  :)
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: keema on Mar 24, 2005 at 08:11 AM
tanong lang ako ulit mga sirs...ano yung DAC's sa receiver? mas maganda ba kung mas mataas?? para san ba yun? napapansin ba yun pag nakikinig ka na or nanonood ka ng movie?  ano ang DAC's ng harman kardon avr 330? tyaka yung sa yamaha rxv 650?
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: d00dZ on Apr 21, 2005 at 03:09 PM
San ba nakaka-iskor ng SPL meter? How much? Thanks.  ;)
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: kid on Apr 21, 2005 at 03:41 PM
keema,

DAC - Digital Analog Converter

Despite the popularity of digital devices, real world signals are typically represented by analog signals. Digital control systems process real world analog signals by using an analog-to-digital converter (ADC) to convert analog signals to digital. Conversions back to analog signals are accomplished using a digital-to-analog converter (DAC)  ;)
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: MAtZTER on May 10, 2005 at 05:10 PM
Will there be significant loss of sound quality if you splice/ connect 2 speaker wires? Of the same guage & different guage?

TIA :)
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on May 10, 2005 at 05:22 PM
Just have the junction properly soldered.  As always, connections between terminals and wires and between wires should be as tight as possible.  Go for identical gauges and construction quality.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: KEN on May 22, 2005 at 05:48 PM
Mga bros, sir and guru's ,

I'm just curious, ito yung yung audio setup ko

RCD02(HDCD)         CDP
RC03                      Preamp
Quad 306(biamp)    power amp

I'm using analog interconnect. Tanong ko sana alin ba ang may DAC CDP or the preamp ? Incase I got a 24/192 external DAC ? would it improve the sound of my setup ? would the external DAC makes the RCD02 HDCD decoder useless ?

TIA
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: bumblebee on May 22, 2005 at 06:26 PM
Mga bros, sir and guru's ,

I'm just curious, ito yung yung audio setup ko

RCD02(HDCD)         CDP
RC03                      Preamp
Quad 306(biamp)    power amp

I'm using analog interconnect. Tanong ko sana alin ba ang may DAC CDP or the preamp ? Incase I got a 96/192 external DAC ? would it improve the sound of my setup ? would the external DAC makes the RCD02 HDCD decoder useless ?

TIA

yung CDP ang mayroong DAC. w/ an exteral DAC, transport na lang ang role nung RCD02.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: KEN on May 22, 2005 at 06:49 PM
yung CDP ang mayroong DAC. w/ an exteral DAC, transport na lang ang role nung RCD02.

Sir thanks sa reply, does it mean na bale wala ng yung HDCD ng RCD02 as if all CD's,  HDCD or non HDCD when play will  sound the same ? pasensya na sa tanong.


TIA
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: bumblebee on May 22, 2005 at 09:03 PM
Sir thanks sa reply, does it mean na bale wala ng yung HDCD ng RCD02 as if all CD's,  HDCD or non HDCD when play will  sound the same ? pasensya na sa tanong.


TIA

i don't know much about this, but if the external DAC can decode HDCD then you get to listen to the extra 4 bits of info.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: KEN on May 22, 2005 at 09:11 PM
i don't know much about this, but if the external DAC can decode HDCD then you get to listen to the extra 4 bits of info.

sir yung RCD02 CDP can decode HDCD on its own w/out the X DAC pero yung X DAC hindi ata pero 24/192 ito. Panano kaya ito...


TIA
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: bumblebee on May 22, 2005 at 09:48 PM
sir yung RCD02 CDP can decode HDCD on its own w/out the X DAC pero yung X DAC hindi ata HDCD capable  pero upsample to 24 bit at 192k. Panaano kaya ito...


TIA

X-DAC. v3 po ba? ;D from what i've read from MF's site, this is the finest DAC in the planet. HDCD is 20-bit. baka kayanin nung X-DAC :-\ best to audition na lang sir. and hopefully, we can get answers from the more knowledgable people here.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: KEN on May 22, 2005 at 10:06 PM
X-DAC. v3 po ba? ;D from what i've read from MF's site, this is the finest DAC in the planet. HDCD is 20-bit. baka kayanin nung X-DAC :-\ best to audition na lang sir. and hopefully, we can get answers from the more knowledgable people here.

oo ata yung X-DAC v3, ganda nga sana kung ma audition kaso hindi pwede...other members  kindly post your ideas...


TIA
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Jason_10 on May 22, 2005 at 11:59 PM
my room and bathroom is being renovated. ive always wanted a pip in music for my bathroom. is it possible to tap from the center speaker wire to another ceiling speaker? any adverse effects?
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: bumblebee on May 23, 2005 at 01:27 AM
my room and bathroom is being renovated. ive always wanted a pip in music for my bathroom. is it possible to tap from the center speaker wire to another ceiling speaker? any adverse effects?

possible. but the amp should be powerful enough to handle the effective load. also, if your bathroom is tiled, expect a lot of brightness.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Jason_10 on May 23, 2005 at 11:47 PM
i see. ive a pioneer vsx d510(100w/channel) avr and a kenwood crs 177w center speaker (100w max input). can it power the other speaker if ever? btw, my bathroom is made of wooden ceiling and tiles.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: ASuL on Jun 07, 2005 at 04:31 PM
i just want a simple set-up...planning to build on an all second hand equipment. i only have a budget of 10K.  i just want a pair of bookselves and simple 5.1 av receiver mostly for movies. what are my options?

speskers? for 2-3K
av receiver? for 7-8k

i'll hook it up with a 21 inch tv and an entry level dvd player watching mostly pirated dvds in a 12-14 sqm room

kaya ba? suggestion please...thanks in advance
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: parasmi on Jun 08, 2005 at 06:34 PM
ASuL ,

you're on the right track in starting muna with a 2-channel set-up. dagdag na lang pa unti-unti once you have the budget  :)

you can browse sa assorted buy and sell section of this site, bili ka Buy and Sell paper (or visit http://www.buyandsellph.com), bidshot.com, ebay.ph

 ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: rganimo on Jun 22, 2005 at 05:09 PM
i'm also new in HT but what i did was to  check out different stores offering different brands, right there you can do some testing; I tried HK, NAD, Yamaha, Denon but i chose NAD because i was able to test it using klipsch speakers.

i can refer you to AV Surfer in Robinson's Galleria (look for Nilo) to check out their stuff...they have an HT room and you can test a variety of speakers there--infinity or klipsch...

we all have different taste for listening....i suggest you look for bargains which is enough for your ample budget, 30 to 40K is a good start....I found one at Av Surfer.. i think they have lots of stuff there....
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: leomar on Aug 19, 2005 at 09:44 AM
newbie here!

kunyari for a student budget meal  ;D ;D i have a logitech x530 5.1 speaker set and i want it as a beginner ht setup, do i need to buy an AVR or this will be enough if i connect it to a generic dd/dts dvd player?

pls help!

Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: bumblebee on Aug 19, 2005 at 10:06 AM
newbie here!

kunyari for a student budget meal  ;D ;D i have a logitech x530 5.1 speaker set and i want it as a beginner ht setup, do i need to buy an AVR or this will be enough if i connect it to a generic dd/dts dvd player?

pls help!



You'll need an receiver if you are gonna use passive speakers. If you're gonna use your x530, get a dvd player w/c has 5.1 analog outs, no need for a receiver.
Title: receiver, amp, speaker and shaker connections questions
Post by: agmjr on Sep 21, 2005 at 09:23 AM
sir tulong naman po, baka may ma share kayo na idea. i have an av receiver for the speakers and a separate amp that i used to connect the bass shakers. okey naman siya.  the amp (denon) is so good that i also used it for audio listening using my two front speakers.  everytime i do this (listening to audio) i have to physically transfer the connection from the receiver to the amp (and also i physically removes the interconnects for my bass shakers). meron bang paraan para di na ako maglilipat ng interconnects when i feel like watching dvd and listening to audio? will connecting the shakers at speaker set b of the amp do the trick o hindi ko puede gawin ito? ty po
Title: HTS setup help
Post by: dragonrower on Dec 01, 2005 at 05:56 AM
hi, i have a friend planning to build an HTS, needs some input regarding mga expertise nyo about the setup, ito yung quotation ng isang store sa cebu coz my friend lives there

http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=save00459ho.jpg

unfortunately, meron siyang funny encounter with that high priced store here;

http://www.my-pcexperts.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=7941
Title: Re: HTS setup help
Post by: Joe on Dec 01, 2005 at 06:18 AM
If I could afford that kind of setup, I definitely would have a professional calibrate my system...
Title: Re: HTS setup help
Post by: bumblebee on Dec 01, 2005 at 07:46 AM
hi, i have a friend planning to build an HTS, needs some input regarding mga expertise nyo about the setup, ito yung quotation ng isang store sa cebu coz my friend lives there

http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=save00459ho.jpg

unfortunately, meron siyang funny encounter with that high priced store here;

http://www.my-pcexperts.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=7941

Hi dragonrower.

Tell your friend that in this hobby, it's the hobbyist's ears that decide. No need for professional installation etc. Besides, everything's plug and play. And w/ that amount, dapat nga libre na yung installation.
Title: Re: HTS setup help
Post by: synchro_01 on Dec 01, 2005 at 09:02 AM
Hi dragonrower.

Tell your friend that in this hobby, it's the hobbyist's ears that decide. No need for professional installation etc. Besides, everything's plug and play. And w/ that amount, dapat nga libre na yung installation.


Plug and play??   :o for a small average system utilizing a single entry level  HT receiver, the usual 6 or 7 HT speaker set up  and CRT based monitor yes but for a system like the one quoted above it is far from being plug and play....you cant just bring that kind of rig home and expect it to run and perform to its potential after a few hours of tinkering with it with your HT buddies. That sort of system takes days to install and calibrate.  Installation and calibration are two very different things.  If I read it right the system quoted above will use a front mounted DLP and motorized screen. Installing those devices on the ceiling isnt a joke and calibrating a front mounted DLP projector is not a job for the novice or for the weekend HT enthusiast. You will need special instruments and measuring devices to mount and calibrate a DLP. There are people who are trained specifically in the USA (ISF trained and certified) to calibrate these devices so that they will perform at its best.

anyways...what is Php40K for system installation and calibration if the owner can spend upwards of Php1.250M on the gears alone. 

if I were to invest Php1.3M in HT gears then its gonna boil down to purchasing the system from Listening in style and A/V driver.  Those two IMHO are the leaders in the HT industry here in the Philippines and both JR and Stephan are very professional guys.
Title: Re: HTS setup help
Post by: D75C on Dec 01, 2005 at 09:37 PM
A little too overkill for my If the budget is okay with you then why not diba?

From the equipment listed they're not selling you crap. I anticipate an HDMI connection to the projector. The Focal's are excellent speakers by the way. Expect a big surprise with the interconnects and speaker cables. That might be an extra 10-20k, depending on the cable brands you choose.

Lastly, I'm a little iffy on the THX calibration and their ISF system integration. If that's their claim to fame then they better show you LEGIT certificates that they took the courses in the US. Also when they come there, they better not be armed WITH JUST an SPL meter and a calibration DVD like Avia or Digital Video Essentials.

If not, they just wrote that in the quote to make VERY "secure" on your purchase with them. Otherwise they should rephrase that as "installation and setup fee" plus a thank you note saying "we ripped you off for another 40K on top of the 20% profit margin"

Title: Re: receiver, amp, speaker and shaker connections questions
Post by: D75C on Dec 01, 2005 at 09:53 PM
You can hook up the shakers to the Speaker B connection of your Denon. It's technically possible and will definitely work. However, you'd be putting additional strain to your receiver amp.

If you have an extra pre-out for your LFE/Sub-out.  You can split that by using a y-plug (2 female RCAs to 1 male RCA) and wire them individually to the respective jacks on your bass-shaker power amp.

If not, check your subwoofer, most of the new models are capable of being daisy-chained so you can have multiple subs. If you find another set of pre-outs at the rear panel of your sub, you can hook up your amp there.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: HTS setup help
Post by: ricky on Dec 01, 2005 at 11:01 PM
Hi dragonrower.

Tell your friend that in this hobby, it's the hobbyist's ears that decide. No need for professional installation etc. Besides, everything's plug and play. And w/ that amount, dapat nga libre na yung installation.

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HUH? no need for professional installation? Bro hindi ito HTIB ;D Dragonrower if your friend can afford that kind stuff i suggest he gets it INSTALLED AND CALIBRATED by a PROFESSIONAL INSTALLER. TAWARAN  lang nya kasi hindi porket mayaman eh kaya na isahan.
Title: Re: HTS setup help
Post by: dragonrower on Dec 02, 2005 at 03:19 PM
thanks for all your input, my friend already decided what he wants, thanks again

mods can lock this thread now  ;)
Title: Re: HTS setup help
Post by: bumblebee on Dec 02, 2005 at 07:39 PM
Points taken, Sirs. Thanks for the info :)
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: newbie pa rin on Dec 02, 2005 at 08:01 PM
Guys just have a question,

Im using avery low tech na ht setup.
I used pioneer speakers from my pioneer compo.
100 watts iyung front 60 or 40 iyung center or surround.
Im using a nextbase dvd player and a promac amplifier.

How would I know if the output is multi channel or stereo lang na lumalabas sa 5 speakers?
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: bumblebee on Dec 03, 2005 at 05:44 AM
Guys just have a question,

Im using avery low tech na ht setup.
I used pioneer speakers from my pioneer compo.
100 watts iyung front 60 or 40 iyung center or surround.
Im using a nextbase dvd player and a promac amplifier.

How would I know if the output is multi channel or stereo lang na lumalabas sa 5 speakers?

The nextbase should have 5.1 output. The Promac should have 5.1 input. Isa-isahin mo yung input sa Promac. Kung ano lang yung may input, yun corresponding channel lang na iyon ang dapat tumunog.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: leomar on Dec 05, 2005 at 09:32 AM
Guys just have a question,
How would I know if the output is multi channel or stereo lang na lumalabas sa 5 speakers?

kapag lahat tumotunog ng pare-parehong sound all at the same time, 5-channel-stereo un...

kapag center lang ang tumutunog kapag dialouge,
fronts lang kapag may bakbakan,
at may tunog ang rear kapag may lumilipad na eroplano galing sa likod
discreet 5-channel un...

kapag walang tunog pero may picture at buhay naman dvd at component mo, baka naka-mute un  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Paltik on Dec 18, 2005 at 06:28 PM
Hey guys, im quite new to this thing. im not really much of an audio guy, but last week i purchased these from a friend:

1.) JBL Northridge Series NSP-1 (4 bookshelf, 1 center)
(http://www.homestead.com/prosites-allmanmusic/files/NSP1L.gif)
 
2.) JBL Power Bass PB10
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b351/Paltik357/jblwoofer3.jpg)
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b351/Paltik357/jblwoofer1.jpg)
 
3.) Kenwood KRF-X9060D-G
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b351/Paltik357/KRF-X9060D-G.jpg)

4) Monster Cable THX
150 ft Gauge 16 monster cable

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b351/Paltik357/monster2.jpg)
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b351/Paltik357/monster1.jpg)





i installed the speakers on the walls like so (center speaker is on top of TV):

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b351/Paltik357/jblspeakers2.jpg)

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b351/Paltik357/jblspeakers.jpg)

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b351/Paltik357/jblspeakers4.jpg)




my question is, did i position my speakers right? they are angled toward my couch and the foot of the bed. will the sound be better if i had purchased speaker stands instead? the set up takes up only half of the room. 
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Kevlar on Dec 24, 2005 at 12:24 PM
Your surround speakers are way misplaced
if they are direct firing/monopole speakers.

They should be placed at or near ear level and
aimed directly at your ears or your listening position.

The surround speakers should be placed in a close
to 180 degree angle near your sides (slightly to the back),
and aimed directly at your listening position.

Check out this link for more tips/suggestions:
http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=42227.0

Same for your main speakers.  They should all be vertically
aligned with your center speaker and placed at or near ear level.

- Kevlar
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Paltik on Dec 24, 2005 at 07:22 PM
thanks kevlar,

ill try to make some adjustments  :)
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: keema on Dec 25, 2005 at 08:02 PM
mga sirs, question ko lang po..bumilil kse po ako ng yamaha rxv457..tanong ko lang kung kaya nyang magpatunog ng floorstanders na speakers. bigay kayo ng brand and model. tyaka okay ba kung mataas yung sensitivity ng speakers mo? tapos pagdating sa sub anong okay na brand, yung mura lang...
tyaka pagdating sa mga wires na gagamitin mo, kailangan ba yung okay talga? anong guage ng wire ang kailangan?
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: everythingyouwant on Feb 09, 2006 at 11:22 PM
ipod to a logitech z5300 or z5500 pc speakers.possible ba?how to connect the two?plug and play ba or do i need to buy cables pa?thanks...noob obviously po. ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: elvenears on Feb 09, 2006 at 11:39 PM
mga sirs, question ko lang po..bumilil kse po ako ng yamaha rxv457..tanong ko lang kung kaya nyang magpatunog ng floorstanders na speakers. bigay kayo ng brand and model. tyaka okay ba kung mataas yung sensitivity ng speakers mo? tapos pagdating sa sub anong okay na brand, yung mura lang...
tyaka pagdating sa mga wires na gagamitin mo, kailangan ba yung okay talga? anong guage ng wire ang kailangan?

1.depende yan sa impedance ng speakers sir !!adjustable ata yang rxv457,kung di ako nag kakamali 4-16 ohms yan ...check mo manual mo kung pano mag adjust ng impedance sa receiver mo.wharfedale 9.5 pwede yan para sa fronts mo,6 ohms impedence nyan ....kung etong wharf na to ang biblin mo kaya yan!!!

2.mas mataas na sensitivity mas maganda .....mas mataas na sensitivity mas madaling i-drive yan ng amp mo...yun ay sa pagkaka-alam ko

3.sa sub wharfedale din mura na ok...pero if you compare it to other brands ,lets say mission ...natural na mas maganda ang mas mahal ...so it all boils down to budget issues ;D

4.sa cable ......subjective to...dito na pumapasok yung myths sa iba pero sa iba they state na may difference .....of course mas mataas ang conductivity mas maganda ...may mga thread dito specifically for cables you might want to check that out!! ;D personally i use audioworks 16 AWG
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: elvenears on Feb 09, 2006 at 11:55 PM
ipod to a logitech z5300 or z5500 pc speakers.possible ba?how to connect the two?plug and play ba or do i need to buy cables pa?thanks...noob obviously po. ;D


pwede yan sir kaya lang yung dalawang front speakers mo lang ang gagana....kung gusto mo it will require custom job para sa mga interconnect mo pero i doubt it kung may lalabas na base!!ang mangyayari dyan ay 2 channel out sa i-pod abg gagawin mong interconnect ay 2 coming from ipos na mag-i-split into 6.....left out from ipod into 3 connectors going to the logitech left channels (rear and front)...same goes for the right...personnaly i would not recommend this kasi ano?sa tuwing magpapatugtug ka ng ipod ikakabit mo ang interconnect na to?isa pa isang channel lang ang magkakaroon ng base.......hope this helps ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: spy45cal on Feb 28, 2006 at 08:38 PM
Anybody who know how to compute my room size to sq.m.?
158 inches haba
134 inches lapad
138 inches taas

Another queastion is kung ilang sq.m. ba para masabi na ang size ng room is small, medium or large?
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: newbie pa rin on Mar 01, 2006 at 01:52 PM
Anybody who know how to compute my room size to sq.m.?
158 inches haba
134 inches lapad
138 inches taas

Another queastion is kung ilang sq.m. ba para masabi na ang size ng room is small, medium or large?

12 inches = 1 ft.
3 fts = 1 m
158 /12/3 = 4.39 m
134/12/3 = 3.72 m

you have around 16.33 sqm IMO i'd say a small room.

pag sinama mo ang height cube na yon.
158 * 2.54 / 100
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: spy45cal on Mar 01, 2006 at 07:44 PM
12 inches = 1 ft.
3 fts = 1 m
158 /12/3 = 4.39 m
134/12/3 = 3.72 m

you have around 16.33 sqm IMO i'd say a small room.

pag sinama mo ang height cube na yon.
158 * 2.54 / 100

Thanks bro... :)
Ano ba ibig sabihin ng IMO?
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: BongerDude on Mar 02, 2006 at 07:25 PM
IMO = in my opinion
IMHO = in my honest/humble opinion

di ko rin alam to dati, sinearch ko lang sa wikipedia  : ;)
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: spy45cal on Mar 02, 2006 at 09:59 PM
IMO = in my opinion
IMHO = in my honest/humble opinion

di ko rin alam to dati, sinearch ko lang sa wikipedia  : ;)

Haaaay salamat manm alam ko na ibig sabihin ng IMO and IMHO, Tagal ko na iniisip ibig sabihin yun lan pala....hehehehe.... ;D
Thanks alot bro... ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: BongerDude on Mar 03, 2006 at 01:23 PM
eh yung SARS? yung HPO alam ko na eh... ang HPO(hold-purchase-order) daw ang panlaban sa SARS..ano ung SARS?
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: budgijie on Mar 03, 2006 at 01:43 PM
sa aking palagay, ang tinatawag nilang SARS dito eh yung virus na sumasanib sa katauhan ng isang HT at dvd addict. yung ayaw na huminto sa pagbili ng dvd tsaka halos oras oras kung magpalit ng HT gears.

mag-ingat tayo sa virus na yan dahil ayon sa tsismis eh sobrang gastos daw ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Munskie on Mar 03, 2006 at 01:54 PM
eh yung SARS? yung HPO alam ko na eh... ang HPO(hold-purchase-order) daw ang panlaban sa SARS..ano ung SARS?
sa aking palagay, ang tinatawag nilang SARS dito eh yung virus na sumasanib sa katauhan ng isang HT at dvd addict. yung ayaw na huminto sa pagbili ng dvd tsaka halos oras oras kung magpalit ng HT gears.

mag-ingat tayo sa virus na yan dahil ayon sa tsismis eh sobrang gastos daw ;D
heto po victim story ko...kinakasal na lang, nahawaan pa po ako ng SARS.  di tsismis na sobrang gastos, talagang bubutasin po bulsa nyo.  buti na lang me HPO na ngayon, mabigat kasi kamay ng misis ko...dati ayaw ko magpagamot sa HPO (tinatago sa misis yung gears), kaya lang matinik, kala ko po eh di maalala yung mga gears, kaya ayun, heard it all day long.  pero meron din po mga hpo-buster dyan, magaling po sila at hindi takot sa chain of command.  ;D ;D  sori po mods kung OT
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: MAtZTER on Mar 03, 2006 at 02:31 PM
di tsismis na sobrang gastos, talagang bubutasin po bulsa nyo. 

Talagang magastos! di na ako bumibili ng bagong cell phone, damit o sapatos dahil tuwing shopping, lahat ng gastos hinahambing ko sa pambili ng DVD, DVD player, CD, CD player, ampli, line conditioner, interconnect , PC (pang HTPC). So in the end...di ko na lang binibili... ;D

Quote
pero meron din po mga hpo-buster dyan, magaling po sila at hindi takot sa chain of command.

Aha! kilala ko ata yan! adik yan adik!  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Munskie on Mar 03, 2006 at 02:41 PM
Talagang magastos! di na ako bumibili ng bagong cell phone, damit o sapatos dahil tuwing shopping, lahat ng gastos hinahambing ko sa pambili ng DVD, DVD player, CD, CD player, ampli, line conditioner, interconnect , PC (pang HTPC). So in the end...di ko na lang binibili... ;D

Aha! kilala ko ata yan! adik yan adik!  ;D ;D
hahaha...lol...me too!! cellphone ko basta me text n call, ok na sya. pag me nakuha naman extra disposable income, compute kaagad....ilang dvd kaya yun? hehehe o btw, tinamaan kaba sir matz?  ginawa ko na rin yun, nag KUDETA ako (bought gears without my then fiance's knowledge), nadali ako ;D ;D

message to newbie's:  kahit po magastos tung hobby natin...nakakarelax naman po ng mabuti.... ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: budgijie on Mar 04, 2006 at 06:50 AM
basta pag inaway ni misis or gf, ganito lang sasabihin "eto na nga lang bisyo ko di mo pa mapagbigyan". wag na wag kalimutan mag practice ng facial expression, kailangan malungkot na malungkot ka.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: BongerDude on Mar 05, 2006 at 11:28 AM
Now we know. hehehe. Ang masama neto, pag nahawaan ka ng SARS at walang magbibigay sayo ng HPO, patay ka. Buti nga kayo sir Matz, sir Munskie merong komocontrol sa inyo at nagbibigay ng HPO.. eh saken wala.. tsk.. dapat may mainvent na gamot sa SARS para sa mga taong walang access sa HPO
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: leomar on Mar 06, 2006 at 10:00 AM
@matz

ako naman bumili ng bagong phone PERO ang lagi ko ginagawa nag-lalaro (puro games kasi laman) o pinapanood ang mga .avi/.3gp files at nagiisip kung paano iconnect ang phone sa magandang sound system!

whew HT pa rin pala ang patutunguhan, HTCP! hehe
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: bachwitz on Mar 07, 2006 at 10:13 AM
eh yung SARS? yung HPO alam ko na eh... ang HPO(hold-purchase-order) daw ang panlaban sa SARS..ano ung SARS?

S-erious A-udio R-eplacement S-yndrome. 

Ingat ka dito bro, contagious to. ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: BongerDude on Mar 07, 2006 at 12:57 PM
S-erious A-udio R-eplacement S-yndrome. 

Ingat ka dito bro, contagious to. ;D

Ahhhhh! now i know! acronym pla yun kala ko wala lang... hehehe thnx bro.

oo nga contagious sobra at di ako mkatulog kung ano-ano iniicp kong pangarap na HT setup... at pag nagkapera compute agad kung ano pwedeng add on sa existing setup!
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: rascal101 on Mar 07, 2006 at 01:07 PM
Now we know. hehehe. Ang masama neto, pag nahawaan ka ng SARS at walang magbibigay sayo ng HPO, patay ka. Buti nga kayo sir Matz, sir Munskie merong komocontrol sa inyo at nagbibigay ng HPO.. eh saken wala.. tsk.. dapat may mainvent na gamot sa SARS para sa mga taong walang access sa HPO

Self control? Hirap talaga SARS lalo na kapag nakarinig ka ng magandang set-up. Isa sa solusyon sa problema mo (kung medyo kinakapos sa datung) - DIY.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: spy45cal on Mar 07, 2006 at 04:14 PM
Naku mga bro infected na ata ako ng SARS na yan.... ;D
Di na ko nakakabili ng mga bagong damit ko and halos ayaw ko na talagang galawin yung salary ko para madaling maka ipon pambili ng mga speakers and bagong DVD's....  ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: ricky on Mar 07, 2006 at 06:50 PM
For me may sarili ako remedy sa SARS, I just save up to buy the gears that i really want kahit medyo MAHAL and MATAGALAN pa sya bago ko mabili para hindi ako ma SARS agad ;D and i dont deprive myself from checking out new gears that i want,the secret is i audition it para maicompare ko sa present gear ko so ill know kung sulit ba mag upgrade or hindi :) luckily wala pa ako nakikita na sulit ipalit ;D ;D ;D One lucky iwas SARS i made is yung denon dvd player(thanks mat) and yung oppo dvdp(thanks kato) ;D ;D ;D pero yung htpc mukhang malabo maiwasan ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: spy45cal on Mar 18, 2006 at 07:42 AM
Mga dude...

Ano ba ibig sabihin ng entry level and descent speaker?
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: DVD_Freak on Mar 18, 2006 at 09:41 AM
Mga dude...

Ano ba ibig sabihin ng entry level and descent speaker?

Entry level meaning beginner's gear.  dun sa mga nagstart pa lang mag set up ng HT.

As for descent speakers...it depends on your receiver.  But usually these are bookshelf speakers  mga 75-100 watts and priced mga 3.5K-5 or 6K.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: spy45cal on Mar 18, 2006 at 09:47 AM
Entry level meaning beginner's gear.  dun sa mga nagstart pa lang mag set up ng HT.

As for descent speakers...it depends on your receiver.  But usually these are bookshelf speakers  mga 75-100 watts and priced mga 3.5K-5 or 6K.

Panong depende sa receiver? BTW i have a hk235... ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: spy45cal on Mar 18, 2006 at 09:52 AM
Ok lan ba na naka connect pa din yung  ordinary RCA jack(audio out) ko sa tv and nakakabit din yung digital out(audio) to avr? Ginawa ko to para may choice ako to choose wether to use my receiver or direct audio out to my tv...  Medyo worried lan ako baka may masira...

TIA
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: DVD_Freak on Mar 18, 2006 at 09:54 AM
Panong depende sa receiver? BTW i have a hk235... ;D

Depende meaning if entry level ang receiver...they will have a hard time powering up floorstanders.  Just as a high priced receiver is too powerful for a bookshelf speaker primarily used as mains.  Thus a decent speaker ireally depends on what combination you use.

I have a Yammy so I have no experience with HK
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: spy45cal on Mar 18, 2006 at 10:10 AM
Depende meaning if entry level ang receiver...they will have a hard time powering up floorstanders.  Just as a high priced receiver is too powerful for a bookshelf speaker primarily used as mains.  Thus a decent speaker ireally depends on what combination you use.

I have a Yammy so I have no experience with HK

Thanks bro... BTW I'm planning ko pair my hk with Wharfe diamond 9 series... Yun lan kaya ko for now e, tsaka nalan ako mag uupgrade ng speakers pag medyo maliki na naipon ko.... ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: BongerDude on Mar 18, 2006 at 08:55 PM
Mga bro, may mga bobong tanong lang po ako:

1.) ano ibig sabihin ng BI-WIRE at BI-AMP? Tsaka pano yun ginagawa at anong effect pag ginawa yun?

2.) pag meron akong amplifier for example, rotel ra03, pwede ko ba gamitin yun as additional amp kung may pre-outs ang avr ko para ipower yung floorstanders sa 5.1? pano yun baka ndi magpantay yung tunog? syempre diba floorstanders lang ang ipopower nya?

3.) bakit minsan kinanakabitan ng y splitter ang mga sub?

Salamat po sa mga tutulong!
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: spy45cal on Mar 18, 2006 at 09:41 PM
Mga bro,

Ask ko lan kung pano ko ikakabit yung speaker wire ko from HK 235 to front speaker (Diamond 9.5)?

avr + (positive)             HF+ or  LF+

avr - (negative)            HF- or LF-

TIA
Title: Home theater set up..need help..
Post by: ert on Apr 10, 2006 at 10:48 AM
hi! i'm planning to build a new home theater sa new house namin..the size is 5x6..
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c372/ert913/hometheater.gif)

yung sa left side..maglalagay pa ako ng projection tv..so yung projector screen pwede niya icover yung projector tv..kaya ba ng 100" yung room? i'm planning to put 2 rows of seat..sa tingin nyo magpagawa ako sa audio visual driver international? or i can do it by myself? ang mahal kasi ng binigay nila na quote..around 1.2million..so what do you think guys? what amplifier should i use? thx select or thx ultra2? will it make a difference? thanks again!
Title: Re: Home theater set up..need help..
Post by: alvinthx2 on Apr 11, 2006 at 01:37 PM
you can easily spend 1.2m on your room but then you can spend as low as 300k to have a superb setup as long as the acoustic characteristics are done right. If you allow me, here are some suggestions:

projector; pt ae900
screen: dalite or draper 92 by 52(106 diagonal) 1.3 or less gain screen
B&k reference 50 II preamp processor(use balance connection)
B&k 2007 (7 channel ref amp), please check model number, I am not sure
Monitor audio GS series speakers of Revel Concerta series
cables and interconnects(lower end series from reputable manufacturers like Xlo, Mit , Transparent,etc
A good scaler DVDO and dvd player (oppo digital 971h(199 dollars) or denon 5910(3500 dollars)
A good acoustician for your room. demand a reverberation time of .4 to .6 seconds for the these freq. 125,250,500,1k,2k,and 4k. you should be able to verify the results with a reverberation meter. Have your projector color analyzed and have it set at d6500. Have the installers balance your Spl at 85dB(or 75dB depending on your reference material).
Title: Re: Home theater set up..need help..
Post by: ert on Apr 11, 2006 at 02:07 PM
you can easily spend 1.2m on your room but then you can spend as low as 300k to have a superb setup as long as the acoustic characteristics are done right. If you allow me, here are some suggestions:

projector; pt ae900
screen: dalite or draper 92 by 52(106 diagonal) 1.3 or less gain screen
B&k reference 50 II preamp processor(use balance connection)
B&k 2007 (7 channel ref amp), please check model number, I am not sure
Monitor audio GS series speakers of Revel Concerta series
cables and interconnects(lower end series from reputable manufacturers like Xlo, Mit , Transparent,etc
A good scaler DVDO and dvd player (oppo digital 971h(199 dollars) or denon 5910(3500 dollars)
A good acoustician for your room. demand a reverberation time of .4 to .6 seconds for the these freq. 125,250,500,1k,2k,and 4k. you should be able to verify the results with a reverberation meter. Have your projector color analyzed and have it set at d6500. Have the installers balance your Spl at 85dB(or 75dB depending on your reference material).

thanks for your help..where can i buy these items? and do you think na 100" diagonal is enough? having 2 row seat? kasi baka masyadong malapit yung viewing distance ko :)
Title: Re: Home theater set up..need help..
Post by: Meridian-Audio on Apr 11, 2006 at 09:58 PM
Sir,
YGPM.. ;)
Title: Re: Home theater set up..need help..
Post by: alvinthx2 on Apr 13, 2006 at 05:06 PM
if you sit around 11.5ft and over from the screen then 106 inch would be your optimum screen size. You will not spend 1.2 m for your room with the equipments that I have suggested.

B&k products are not available here in the Philippines but can be bought at Ebay or better yet have some relatives in the US buy them for you. they are one of the better pre/pro power amp combination that can kick ass and still be affordable. Even the best receivers from Denon and Yamaha cannot surpass the quality of these units. Aragon and Outlaw are also some brands to consider.

With regards to Speakers, the ne GS line from Monitor audio are worth waiting for especially if you dont have somebody that will help you with acoustics. Revel has the Concerta series available at Audio Visual Driver Inc(they are the distributor). These speakers have been reviewed everywhere and passed with flying colors. You will spend around 200k for the whole 7.1 system.

Wait for the bluray players coming this spring but for now get the oppo digital 971h and use their Dvi output. They have the best picture quality for anything lower than 3000 dollars and they just cost 199US.

Acoustics should not cost an arm and a leg but because there are only a few people that knows the right stuff it becomes very expensive. A big audio video store is not a guarantee that they know their stuff.

Title: Re: Home theater set up..need help..
Post by: sillyputty on Apr 13, 2006 at 05:44 PM
wow! 1.2m budget!!!!
kasama na ba dun yung theater seats and carpentry? o equipment and installation lang?
sana ako din may ganyang budget nung ginawa ko yung ht room ko  ;D

no need for thx/thx-ultra but thats just me.  ;)
you could probably lower your budget to 500k for everything and still have a to-die-for setup as long as you know where to buy your stuff.

assuming i have your money and using your requirements...
60k for projtv
150k for dlp pj
10k for screen
30k for wires/interconnects- mahal ang mahabang dvi o hdmi cables  >:(
100k power-amp
70k pre-pro
20k tuner
15k for stand/rack
20k for sound-proofing or acoustic treatments
200k for 6 lazy boy seats...3seats per row
200k for speakers
50k for carpentry/labor
total of less than 1m.
Title: Re: Home theater set up..need help..
Post by: hattori_hanzo on Apr 13, 2006 at 06:26 PM
darn!  :o  1.2M heres my suggestion:

(http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d16/hanns76/SYN-HERCULES.jpg)

1.) Panasonic AE900 or Samsung 102" inch plasma screen.
2.) JBL Synthesis THX certified Home Theater
 
JBL SYNTHESIS HERCULES™ POWER BY THE CUBIC FOOT
AT THE CENTER, THE WHOLLY EXTRAORDINARY SK2-1000 four-way speaker system with dual 10-inch woofers, featuring beryllium midrange and ultrahigh-frequency compression drivers and a specially designed Bi-Radial combination horn. To the left and right, flagship K2 S9800 three-way loudspeakers, incorporating JBL’s most advanced professional technologies. All around you, six S1A dipole ambient surround speakers, each with dual 2-inch high-frequency and dual 8-inch mid-bass drivers. And from everywhere and nowhere, gloriously rich, clean bass from four S1S-EX 18-inch, 800-watt subwoofers. In all, 13 exceptionally refined loudspeaker systems, driven by the SDP-40 processor/controller, an SDEC-2500A digital equalizer and no fewer than 10 S800 amplifiers. A no-expense-spared entertainment system for listening rooms of up to 75,000 cubic feet.

SYSTEM CONTAINS:
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2  –   K2 S9800 (Dark Gray)   3-Way, 15-Inch Floorstanding Speaker 
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1  –   SK2-1000DG   3-Way, Dual 10-Inch Center Speaker 
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4  –   S1S-EX   18-Inch THX® Ultra2 Subwoofer 
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6  –   S1A   Dipole-Radiating THX® Rear Surround Loudspeaker
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1  –   SDP-40   THX® Surround Processor/System Controller
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1  –   SDEC-2500A   THX® Digital Equalizer 
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10  –   S800   2 x 200 Watt, 1 x 800 Watt THX® Power Amplifier 

heres the floor plan:
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75,000 CUBIC FEET
2,120 CUBIC METERS
8000 WATTS
94dB CINEMA HIGH FREQUENCY
94dB MUSIC HIGH FREQUENCY
96dB LOW FREQUENCY

this has customized reclining leather seats with cup holders, drapes, acoustic panels, bass traps, cables and wirings, misc.

Furman line conditioners

so okey na ba to sayo?  ;D oopppsss I forgot! by the way 1.2M Pesos ba or US dollars  ;D ;D ;D ? 
Title: Re: Home theater set up..need help..
Post by: ert on Apr 17, 2006 at 09:23 AM
i've already asked sa audio visual driver and sa listening room..cguro un budget around nsa 500k bumaba na hehe..d pa kasama un mga carpets and seats...bbgay sa akin ng audio visual un quotation by wednesday..para may idea rin ako..

guys! what do you recommend the viewing distance for a 100" screen? kakasya ba sya sa 5x6 with 2 seat rows? parang alangnin kasi..thanks!
Title: Re: Home theater set up..need help..
Post by: Meridian-Audio on Apr 17, 2006 at 04:42 PM
i've already asked sa audio visual driver and sa listening room..cguro un budget around nsa 500k bumaba na hehe..d pa kasama un mga carpets and seats...bbgay sa akin ng audio visual un quotation by wednesday..para may idea rin ako..

guys! what do you recommend the viewing distance for a 100" screen? kakasya ba sya sa 5x6 with 2 seat rows? parang alangnin kasi..thanks!

Minimum distance ka ng 11 ft para sa 100" diagonal screen.. Kasya pa 2 rows of four para may walkway ka pa on both sides..
Title: Re: Home theater set up..need help..
Post by: ricky on Apr 17, 2006 at 11:14 PM
Hi ert wow cool budget,if i were you i'll try to audition muna as much as you can ;D Having a big budget like this to spend does not necessarily will give you the best gears that you'll enjoy esp if is biased-ly recommended by sellers:(. As what alvin and sillyputty said,you can get a KICK-ASS set-up for a fraction of the cost. here are my suggested GEARS for your 5x6 space;
2pc ROTEL RMB-1095(5x200w power amp) 2pcs so you can bi-amped your front speakers
1pc ROTEL-RSP1098 7.1 pre/pro
7.1 speAKER set of B&W 7series or whichever brand you like ;D
Panasonic PT-ae900, best for the price
dalite screen
Oppo 971 or htpc that can Already play 1080p and hd dvd(around 40t) ;D
La-z-boy rocker/recliner

Goodluck bro and congrats in advance ;D
 
Title: Re: Home theater set up..need help..
Post by: audibleillusions on May 06, 2006 at 06:22 PM
hi! i'm planning to build a new home theater sa new house namin..the size is 5x6..
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yung sa left side..maglalagay pa ako ng projection tv..so yung projector screen pwede niya icover yung projector tv..kaya ba ng 100" yung room? i'm planning to put 2 rows of seat..sa tingin nyo magpagawa ako sa audio visual driver international? or i can do it by myself? ang mahal kasi ng binigay nila na quote..around 1.2million..so what do you think guys? what amplifier should i use? thx select or thx ultra2? will it make a difference? thanks again!



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Title: Re: Home theater set up..need help..
Post by: MAtZTER on May 11, 2006 at 12:18 PM
Quote
assuming i have your money and using your requirements...
60k for projtv
150k for dlp pj

For practicality, I would suggest putting a 32" LCD TV instead of a RPTV for the following reasons:

You already have a big screen (for PJ)
There would be more space to put your center speaker and gears in the niche
I find TV reception in 42+ in TVs a bit unclear compared to 32"
The prices of LCD and plasmas have dropped

In my experience, 3.5 meters away from a 96" screen is ok.


just my 2 cents
Title: Re: Home theater set up..need help..
Post by: audiobear on May 24, 2006 at 03:59 PM
I think it is better to stick with AVDI for quality and warranties of gears you need for your HT. Do you know that only AVDI is a certified calibrator of ISF(imaging science foundation) the best calibrators you can get for your projectors and other displays. The first thing to do is buy a good speaker then highest wattage of amp you can afford for me a good audio will be more rewarding with regards to movie and music. One more thing don't go for receivers , seperates are the way to go. Happy hunting.
Title: Re: Home theater set up..need help..
Post by: audibleillusions on May 25, 2006 at 12:52 PM
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Title: Re: Home theater set up..need help..
Post by: Full HD 3D on May 27, 2006 at 11:33 AM
Allow me,If it will be a dedicated home theater room, i would suggest that you go for for Carada screen. I think quality is more stable and can go head to head with Stewart screen but without the cost.Go for receiver with pre-out then supply it with good power amp for front and center,let receivers drive the surround. When the technologies  advances again,change the receiver without costing an arm & leg, you still get the receiver to do other function like pipe in music,children's room video game playing with the sound of an arcade in their own room .


My peso cent.....
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: chiemonyo on Jun 03, 2006 at 10:22 AM
Mga bro,
Ask ko lan kung pano ko ikakabit yung speaker wire ko from HK 235 to front speaker (Diamond 9.5)?

avr + (positive)             HF+ or  LF+

avr - (negative)            HF- or LF-

TIA

I think, wala naman ata sya difference kung sa  LF+ or sa HF+ mo ikakabit yung AVR+ mo kung nakakabit pa yung gold plated jumpers mo and naka single-wire method ka lang eh.. pag kasi naka single-wire connection ka lang, para ring naka parallel yung HF+ mo sa LF+ and yung HF- sa LF- ( speaker ). So I think theres no big difference kung san mo lagay yung wire dun, basta tama yung Polarity ng connection mo from the avr to the speakers.
Please correct me if i'm wrong mga sir  :).. tnx and just my .02  ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: kaitan on Jul 03, 2006 at 02:08 PM
hello pipol,

i saw an akira hts system in makro a few months ago. at first glance, it looked good. the sound too was good. the bad thing was, the promo guy for that brand was not around, so i could not get more info about it.

anyone heard of this? a review will be appreciated.

thanks y'all,

kaitan
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: thx_dts71 on Aug 26, 2006 at 11:40 AM
Hi all,

I am new to HT, and just planning to set up my own.  I appreaciate some help in answering very basic (stupid) questions.

1) If my receiver is 6.1, ok lang ba if I only have a 5.1 speaker system?

2) Does wiring really matter?  Should I invest in thick wires even for the surround speakers?

3) Where should I place the bass?  Infront or in the rear?  Can I hide it somewhere?

4) Which is better: a down-firing bass or a front-firing one?

5) What is an "active" bass?

6) Should the receiver have a higher power rating than the speakers?  If my receiver is 95W, and my speakers are 100W -- ok lang ba?

Thanks!


answer:

1. 5.1 spkr system is ok. add on lng kc back surround s 6.1. any time makkabli k o dagdag mo n lng
2. not so important as long n "stranded wire"gamit mo. awg #18 sa center/surround. awg#14 para s mains L+R
    pwede nga flat cord(the one used in extension cord) but if u have budget buy monster cable.
3.anywhere u can place your sub as long n abot RCA cable mo.but 4 me, the best placement is in front beneth the tv(lagay mo s flooring h)
4. it depends on your sub. front anf down firing is a sub design only.
5.active bass or sub is an sub enclosure with seperate control.nsa box kasama n ang PowerAmp,x-over, RCA input/output. but the best is a servo type sub.ganda ng 2nog. ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: thx_dts71 on Aug 26, 2006 at 11:42 AM
Hi all,

I am new to HT, and just planning to set up my own.  I appreaciate some help in answering very basic (stupid) questions.

1) If my receiver is 6.1, ok lang ba if I only have a 5.1 speaker system?

2) Does wiring really matter?  Should I invest in thick wires even for the surround speakers?

3) Where should I place the bass?  Infront or in the rear?  Can I hide it somewhere?

4) Which is better: a down-firing bass or a front-firing one?

5) What is an "active" bass?

6) Should the receiver have a higher power rating than the speakers?  If my receiver is 95W, and my speakers are 100W -- ok lang ba?

Thanks!


answer:

1. 5.1 spkr system is ok. add on lng kc back surround s 6.1. any time makkabli k o dagdag mo n lng
2. not so important as long n "stranded wire"gamit mo. awg #18 sa center/surround. awg#14 para s mains L+R
    pwede nga flat cord(the one used in extension cord) but if u have budget buy monster cable.
3.anywhere u can place your sub as long n abot RCA cable mo.but 4 me, the best placement is in front beneth the tv(lagay mo s flooring h)
4. it depends on your sub. front anf down firing is a sub design only.
5.active bass or sub is an sub enclosure with seperate control.nsa box kasama n ang PowerAmp,x-over, RCA input/output. but the best is a servo type sub.ganda ng 2nog.
6. ok lng ganyan design. wag lng i-overload system mo.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Daemon_Seraphim on Sep 20, 2006 at 03:09 PM
I have a question medyo naguguluhan lang ako sa setups:

Let's say I want to have a  multi channel setup for movies and 5.1 encoded concerts but I also would like to listen to stereo music.  Would it require 2 separate setups. 

Example:
Setup 1
Multi Channel
DVD Player---->Harman Kardon 335 --->> MA Speakers / Mission Speakers/Wharfedale

Is the setup above good for Stereo sound already? If not what other components should I be buying or setting up for a Stereo sound listening?

Thanks for the inputs
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 20, 2006 at 03:20 PM
All receivers have 2 channel / stereo modes. You can of course listen to 2 channel sources with an AVR.

Quote
If not what other components should I be buying or setting up for a Stereo sound listening?


Get a good CD player in the future. With DVD players, the AVR will handle the DAC. I tested entry level CDP's and surplus CDP's, I dont hear so much difference from the sound from a DVD player with the HK handling the DAC. But the higher model CDP's (in my case) made a very obvious difference.  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 20, 2006 at 08:10 PM
If you're using toslink connection between your players to the receiver, using the same connection, there'd be no sonic difference between commercial digital players because all of them conform to the same s/pdif standard.    But using the analog outs will yield subtle sonic differences becasue each player brand implements different DAC chips, op amps and analog filterning designs.   
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Daemon_Seraphim on Sep 21, 2006 at 03:55 AM
I just need to buy a CDP then. Essentially the CDP's DAC will handle the processing right?
What recommendations do you have for good entry to mid level CDP's?

Setup 2
Stereo Listening =  CDp -->> HK 335 receiver -->>MA/Mission?Wharfes

Is this right?

Where do power amplifiers come in or integrated stereo amplifiers for that matter?

Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: parasmi on Sep 21, 2006 at 07:00 AM
Ayaw ko na kasi yung hassle of switching one amp to another, so my question will be..... OK lang ba to connect 2 amps to only one pair of speaker?

Thanks  :)
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: bumblebee on Sep 21, 2006 at 08:20 AM
No. Use a switch.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 21, 2006 at 08:30 AM

Let's say I want to have a  multi channel setup for movies and 5.1 encoded concerts but I also would like to listen to stereo music.  Would it require 2 separate setups. 

Example:
Setup 1
Multi Channel
DVD Player---->Harman Kardon 335 --->> MA Speakers / Mission Speakers/Wharfedale

Is the setup above good for Stereo sound already? If not what other components should I be buying or setting up for a Stereo sound listening?

Thanks for the inputs

The HT receivers from HKs, Rotels, NADs, Marantz and Onkyos rarely disappoint when listening in stereo mode, especially the mid-levels and up.  Your set-up should be fine for both multi and 2-ch modes. 

A good DVD player can play CDs as well.  A toslink connection would yield the same audio quality among many decent digital players for the same media. 
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 21, 2006 at 08:37 AM
Ayaw ko na kasi yung hassle of switching one amp to another, so my question will be..... OK lang ba to connect 2 amps to only one pair of speaker?

Thanks  :)
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Use one of those Speaker A, B C... selector/switch boxes at ACE hardware.  Just reverse the direction and connect your two amps to the speaker terminals and your lone speaker to the amp terminal.  Instead of your amp selecting which speaker to use (for which this box is meant to be used), it will now be your speaker selecting which amp to use.  Just don't ever switch both amps at the same time.   ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: parasmi on Sep 21, 2006 at 08:53 AM
Thanks sir ;) Would there be any signal loss to this?



Use one of those Speaker A, B C... selector/switch boxes at ACE hardware.  Just reverse the direction and connect your two amps to the speaker terminals and your lone speaker to the amp terminal.  Instead of your amp selecting which speaker to use (for which this box is meant to be used), it will now be your speaker selecting which amp to use.  Just don't ever switch both amps at the same time.   ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: scofield on Sep 21, 2006 at 09:57 AM
alin DAC ba ang gumagana pag analog ang connection or digital ang connection.

DAC ba ng CDP ang gumagana pag analog ang connection or DAC ng AVR?
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: bumblebee on Sep 21, 2006 at 10:01 AM
analog connection = CDP DAC
digital connection = AVR DAC
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: scofield on Sep 21, 2006 at 10:20 AM
ah kaya pala. posible kaya na ang DAC ng CDP at AVR from one manufacturer ay pareho?
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 21, 2006 at 05:27 PM
If you're using toslink connection between your players to the receiver, using the same connection, there'd be no sonic difference between commercial digital players because all of them conform to the same s/pdif standard.    But using the analog outs will yield subtle sonic differences becasue each player brand implements different DAC chips, op amps and analog filterning designs.   

Oops, thats correct sir!   ;D I forgot to mention the connections used. Rephrasing for clarity's sake:

Get a good CD player in the future. With DVD players (via digital), the AVR will handle the DAC. I have used entry level CDP's and surplus CDP's (thru analog), I dont hear so much difference from the sound from a DVD player (thru digital) with the HK handling the DAC. But the higher model CDP's (in my case) made a very obvious difference (thru analog). :o :o :o
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: MAtZTER on Sep 21, 2006 at 05:37 PM
analog connection = CDP DAC
digital connection = AVR DAC

With HK, it is also possible to use the AVR DAC thru analog. just press the stereo button in the remote and if the "DSP" lights up, then its using the AVR DAC. Press again and if the DSP logo is off, then it uses the DAC of the source.

Also, regarding DACS, receivers have DACS, but 2 channel integrated amps and pre amps usually dont (maybe 2 channel receivers do have DACS, I havent checked it out yet.). So I once tried a DVDp for my 2 channel setup, then used a CDp (entry level) a few months later, the difference was big.

Therefore:

Receiver+ DVDplayer, AVR handling the DAC --> ok lang
2 channel + DVD player--> CDp is better recommended

Receiver or stereo setup and mid (up) level CDP - best

Sabi nga ng Watt HiFi mag.." There are lots of CD players, blah blah blah..but the action begins at L150 pounds (british)"
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: jitter on Nov 15, 2006 at 03:16 PM
its been ages since the pros visit this thread. im hoping that someone can view and answer my questions gusto ko sana gumawa ng sariling topic but i guess its more appropriate to post here coz im a newbie. enough of that.


good day guys! im very confused these past few days thinking of whats best to buy under my budget. coz we all want naman to maximize our money for at least the best for us. so as listed heres my problem.

budget: 70-80k max
room : only for living room setup about 35sqm.
looking for: since i have a small living room im keeping it simple as i can and minimal.

im stuck with bose acoustimass 10 ryt now. kinda pricey (52k unit only) gusto ko kasi simple and maliit lang. they sound decent at least for me. but im worried about what next to get if i ended up choosing these. may promo sila which im not into the promo thing alam nyo na promo is good way to dispose trash but since im a newbie in audio i didnt know how decent thier promo is.

acoustimass 10 + onkyo reciever model: ts-530 priced at 83k = good buy ba? medyo lagpas sa budget na 3k pero mukhang bearable if only 3k pero nanghihinayang din ako sa3k coz pwede na siyang pambili ng dvd player. any alternatives and suggestion on how can i juiced out my 80k budget.thanks guys!

Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Nov 15, 2006 at 03:32 PM
Welcome to this forum.  Hope you get to read more about the Bose Accoustimas in the speaker section.  I am no Accoustimas fan and 83k to my experience will buy you so much better speaker + receiver (though onkyo is one of the better ones out there.)   35sqm is not exactly that small that you would need satellite cubes to save space.   I suggest you viist a few AV shops at park square makati and in Shangrila edsa and audition their set-ups.  I wouldn't want you to miss out on the better set-ups which your budget can very well afford.  But if you must insist on the accoustimas, I least you'd know what you are missing.  Just my 2 cents.  ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: MAtZTER on Nov 15, 2006 at 03:37 PM
My golly, 83 k? please, wag mo patulan yan.  ;D

80k can buy you a very decent HT.

If you want simple & maliit, go for the "budget" star of the HiFi Show: Q acoustics speakers

click here: http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=58806.0

Their model 1010 small satellites are stunningly good sounding for their price. And whats more, you can get a 5.1 set for only 40k. I believe ( my 2 cents) this would beat the BOSE, specially in the HT arena, hands down.

(http://www.qacoustics.co.uk/images/qacoustics/cinema_pack.jpg)

That leaves you a big 40k budget for your amps. DO NOT scrimp on your amps as you have a big area (are you sure its 35 sqm? thats big!) and you need the power of good amps to fill your room with sound. A 25k Yamaha 659 would have sufficed if your living room is say, 3x5m (15 sq).

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Another surprising setup I heard was the Infinity Beta HCS (36k). Surround speaker size satellites plus a sub & they sounded like floorstanders when combined with a top mid level Harman Kardon 630 (50+k). You can audition this at the JBL showroom in Megamall (its about 35 sqm too!). But insist on using a top receiver like the HK 635, the entry level models dont fill the room with as much sound and was quite bright, IMO.

For your size requirement, these 2 speakers wont disappoint. Believe me, before I audutioned these speakers, I was so skeptic on how small speakers could perform (I thought they were HTiB's). These 2 speakers/ speaker sets opened my eyes (and ears) to what small speakers plus powerful AVR's can do.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: parasmi on Nov 15, 2006 at 03:44 PM
that's right, you may want to consider other speakers other than BOSE  ;D that alone will save you a lot of money for the rest your system  ;)

aside from the usual AV stores, check out the buy and sell section on this site. there are lots of good deals there. it's the  BONUS season, people are getting rid of there gears to upgrade  ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Nov 15, 2006 at 03:51 PM
I am not abreast with prices these days, but I think even the Klipsch Pro Media and The Mordaunt-Short Premiere series , having about the same footprint as the accoustimas, cost less and perform better. 
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: MAtZTER on Nov 15, 2006 at 04:05 PM
aside from the usual AV stores, check out the buy and sell section on this site. there are lots of good deals there. it's the  BONUS season, people are getting rid of there gears to upgrade  ;D

I agree, try considering those pre owned AVR's that were powerful kick @$$ AVR's 2-3 years ago, whose prices are almost the same as a brand new entry level AVR. They just dont have the latest fancy features (w/c you might not need, ipod? etc) but power & performance wise, they can make the brand new entry level AVR's eat dust.

(http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/2852/1010smallsi7.jpg)

I am trying to get myself one of these little cuties for my bedroom setup. Did I mention they are in REAL WOOD?  :)
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: jitter on Nov 15, 2006 at 06:06 PM
maraming salamat sa mga replies nyo guys! how nice naman the people here in pinoydvd  :D  good thing ive landed here. ill try to check out those brand/model  and some at the parksquare too for audition. most malls kasi offer sony, bose and jbl so sila ung first brand na nakita ko.  and i guess ill do some research din.



Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: scofield on Dec 06, 2006 at 11:05 AM
question lang po..worried kase ako sa mga bagong format ng dvd. iniisip ko kase na baka in the near future tumigil na ang production ng standard dvd dahil nga sa mga bagong format ng dvd.

iniisip ko lang na puwede bang gamitin yung mga hd dvd sa standard dvd player?

pwede ba yung standard dvd sa mga hd dvd player?

kung wala na ang mga standard dvd at puro hd dvd na lang ang mabibili natin sa market, assuming nag mura na ang hd player, pero hindi pa rin nag mumura ang mga hd display...what do I expect kung ang player ko hd capable pero yung tv ko hinde.

halimbawa: player ko hd capable display ko 32 inch na hinde capable sa 1080i, 720p/i?

thanks
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Munskie on Dec 06, 2006 at 11:28 AM
dont you worry bro.  Standard DVD is here to stay pa....the HD market is still considered a niche market, in other words, di pa mainstream.  Matagal tagal bago kakagatin ng masa ang HD or in the US as they may say, the Joe-6-Packs (J6P).

HD DVD discs cannot be played on DVD players, but HD DVD players on the other hand...are backwards compatible, but only region 1 discs.  hope this helps you...  :) :)
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: scofield on Dec 06, 2006 at 11:32 AM
ah ok. :) siguro matagal pa yun.

paano nga kung standard lang yung display ko na hindi kaya magproduce ng hd. yung mga hd player ba pwede mag produce ng standard signal? hehehe kase baka mas mauna mag mura yung mga hd player kesa sa mg display.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: MAtZTER on Dec 06, 2006 at 02:38 PM
Maganda yan pag maging mainstream yung mga HD DVD's tapos maging presyong VCD na lang yung mga DVD natin @ P99!

Ayus yan, lalo na pag TV mo ay 32" below, di naman gaano pansin yung difference ng HD sa SD sa maliit na TV.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: corsy on Dec 10, 2006 at 05:09 AM
Hi guys.. I'm definitely an HT newbie. (and also a pinoy dvd newbie).  I'm trying to setup (or buy an  all-in-1 system). Budget is 20-25K lang. po.  Really need help! and hoping for your suggestions. thanks! :)
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: sassyboy on Dec 11, 2006 at 04:19 PM
Hi please enlighten me.

Does all big screen television capable of processing 1080i, 720p, 720i signals? if my tv is atleast 32inch but without hdmi input can i benefit from a hd signals?

Kailangan ba yung player at yung tv ko can output and accept 1080i, 720p, 720i? or pwedeng yung player lang ang mag labas ng hd signal?

What is the difference betweed RGB and component (Y, Pb, Pr)? Di ba pareho lang ng cable ang ginagamit dito?
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: MAtZTER on Dec 11, 2006 at 04:30 PM
Hi guys.. I'm definitely an HT newbie. (and also a pinoy dvd newbie).  I'm trying to setup (or buy an  all-in-1 system). Budget is 20-25K lang. po.  Really need help! and hoping for your suggestions. thanks! :)

Bro, at that budget, you might be only able to buy a HTiB or a 2nd hand separates from the B/S section. I would still go for the 2nd option of course. Separates are much better than HTiB's in terms of sound quality, kahit segunda mano.

My general advice to newbies is to save up some more (at least 40k) & buy the best your money can buy instead of getting a so-so setup now (so-so din yung sound) & upgrading them slowly. This is very costly & time consuming (and what happened to me).
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: laklak on Feb 11, 2007 at 10:53 PM
Hi, Im about to setup our HT system at home. Basically the only thing new in my system is the LCD monitor, the rest of the system would be "recycled" from our old system.

My system includes
Pioneer VSX-D508 AV Receiver (Circa early 00's)
Bose 301 Series IV speakers (circa 1996)
Sound Bites satellite speakers
Generic Center speaker

My Questions

1. My Bose 301 was originally used in tandem with a Pioneer AM/FM 2channel Amplifier. I guess this speaker is 3-way, would this matter if I use it as  the fronts for my system? I read in one of the threads here that fronts should be 2-way.  Im thinking of getting a DaiIchi center speaker, do you think it would match?

2. Is it okay to use "no name" brand speaker wires?

3. Im thinking of adding a subwoofer, im not particular with the brand, could you suggest a brand that is cheap but with reasonable quality. My idea of cheap is between PHP1.5K to PHP2K


Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Mrk on Mar 26, 2007 at 09:11 AM
Hi please enlighten me.

Does all big screen television capable of processing 1080i, 720p, 720i signals? if my tv is atleast 32inch but without hdmi input can i benefit from a hd signals?

Kailangan ba yung player at yung tv ko can output and accept 1080i, 720p, 720i? or pwedeng yung player lang ang mag labas ng hd signal?

What is the difference betweed RGB and component (Y, Pb, Pr)? Di ba pareho lang ng cable ang ginagamit dito?

isa rin yan sa tanong ko eh...pero sa linaw ata ng picture nagiiba yan...

mas malinaw ata yung component compared sa video out single rca and s-video if im not mistaken
Title: Harman Kardon AVR 145 + JBL SCS 188
Post by: godlykdude on Sep 04, 2007 at 02:59 AM
Hey Guys,

I just got an HT system from Abenson.  It's a Harman Kardon AVR 145 receiver with JBL SCS 188 speakers.  The HK receiver only supports 5.1 but the JBL speakers are meant for 6.1. Meaning 1 speaker will be a spare.  I got the whole package for 41,700 Php.  The original price was 49999.  I paid cash that's why they sold it to me at that price.  Even threw out a Harman Kardon IPOD docking station so I thought it was a bargain.  At first I just needed a speaker system to address the issue of poor sound of my LCD TV that I am using with my HD DVD (Xbox 360) and Blu Ray (PS3) players.  Guess the Abenson's sales people's sales talk proved to be effective as it forced me into buying it.  I was breezing through different showrooms and I thought this was the best as far as value for money is concerned.

Anyway, my question is I would like to ask for your opinion if this was indeed a wise choice as far as the price is concerned.  I do not have any experience with tinkering with audio equipment and I am practically  a noob when it comes to this, how can I get the best out of this equipment? 

I set it up in my room which is quite small coz it's just a condo-apartment (6x4 meters).  I mainly used the supplied wires for the speakers.  I used an optical cable to connect my HD-DVD and Bluray players and used a regular RCA cable for the LFE input-Subwoofer.  The high-end cables are damn too expensive and I'm not sure if I'm willing to dish out that much again.  I am quite happy with the performance of the current set up although I haven't made any adjustments.  But if you could give some suggestions on the setup, I would appreciate it. 

Best regards...
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: scofield on Sep 04, 2007 at 10:57 AM
sir parang medyo mahal ata yan kuha mo jan. dapat sa abenson din ako kukuha two years ago pero hindi ko kinuha dahil ayaw nila pumayag sa tawad ko. hanggang sa mapadaan ako sa showroom ng HK sa SM north. up to now satisfied ako, only regret is sana bago ko nabili yung mga speaker ko ay nakilala ko rin yung mga ibang brands.

nonetheless enjoy your new toy. maganda yan.. ;)
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: godlykdude on Sep 05, 2007 at 12:41 AM
Yeah, sana dun din ako sa HK SM North kaya lang nainip ako sa paghihintay na maidemo sakin yung halos kaparehong unit.  Kalapit lang yung Abenson and I thought pareho din naman since sabi dun sa Showroom, sila din daw nagsusupply sa Abenson, Automatic Center and SM North so pare-pareho lang ang price.  Anyway, I think maybe if I haggled more, I would've gotten it at a lower price.  But I don't mind much about it now that I am enjoying the HD + HT experience.  If you have suggestions on how I can get the most out of this equipment, please feel free to give your suggestions.  I will appreciate it.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: av_phile1 on Sep 05, 2007 at 11:46 AM

Does all big screen television capable of processing 1080i, 720p, 720i signals? if my tv is atleast 32inch but without hdmi input can i benefit from a hd signals?


Not all big screens are capable of high definition display.  Remember those Sony and Philips screens with DRC or line doubling abilities.  They are just NTSC resolution but can display nicely on 32" screens because of their line doubling capabilities.

High Definition starts at 720p and 720i. Many european and american high def broadcasts are at these resolution. It's definitely much better than your DVD quality 480i resolution.

Most large screen HD capable TVs like LCDs and Plasmas have a native resolution of 720p.  All LCD native resolution are progressive but can accept interlaced signals.  The more expensive ones can accept 1080i signals and upscale them to 1080p.


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Kailangan ba yung player at yung tv ko can output and accept 1080i, 720p, 720i? or pwedeng yung player lang ang mag labas ng hd signal?

Your player can output at any resolution.  Be it standard 480i DVD up to 1080p high def found in HD DVD and Blu-ray discs if you have the proper player.  The HDTV will just upscale or downscale to its native resolution.  Ideally, you should have a display capable of displaying the player's output resolution. 

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What is the difference betweed RGB and component (Y, Pb, Pr)? Di ba pareho lang ng cable ang ginagamit dito?

Nope, they belong to different analog signal standards. 
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: scofield on Oct 08, 2007 at 07:17 PM
one question: pareho lang ba ang magiging out put ng digital connection (optical or coax) at 6.1 or 7.1 analog direct in sa AVR?

Ibig ko pong sabihin ay ganito:

dvd player ko connected sa optical in ng avr = dolby digital or dts

dvd player 5.1output connected sa 6channel direct ng avr = din ba sa dolby digital or dts? assuming may built in dolby and dts decoder yung dvd player ko.

why I asked this: namamahalan na kase ako sa optic cable at coax cable. pero madami akong stock ng ordinary rca cable yung mga free sa dvd player. ;D  may extra kase akong player pareho ko silang ginagamit.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: kingkydoo on Oct 09, 2007 at 07:26 AM
one question: pareho lang ba ang magiging out put ng digital connection (optical or coax) at 6.1 or 7.1 analog direct in sa AVR?

Ibig ko pong sabihin ay ganito:

dvd player ko connected sa optical in ng avr = dolby digital or dts

dvd player 5.1output connected sa 6channel direct ng avr = din ba sa dolby digital or dts? assuming may built in dolby and dts decoder yung dvd player ko.

why I asked this: namamahalan na kase ako sa optic cable at coax cable. pero madami akong stock ng ordinary rca cable yung mga free sa dvd player. ;D  may extra kase akong player pareho ko silang ginagamit.

Sir, it's either you use the analog connection (6 RCA cables), or the digital connection (optical or co-axial).
BTW, yung free RCA cables na provided ng dvd player ay low quality lang (manipis ung wires). Actually, you could use it naman. But if you want optimum sound quality, I suggest investing in better RCA cables.

Sir, kung gusto mo ng cheap but quality co-axial cable, meron naman binebenta ang ace hardware, P199 lang, 3.7m na, black yung color niya. (BTW, you can also use the co-axial cable as an RCA, and vice-versa. Pareho lang yung material na ginamit)
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: scofield on Oct 09, 2007 at 05:07 PM
^thanks alam ko nga meron coax na less than 200, meron nga rin 500pesos na optical sa ace pero sayang eh. kuripot mode ako ngayon eh. hehehehetry ko na lang yung 6 direct analog muna.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: tonedeaf on Oct 12, 2007 at 01:23 PM
Hi all!

I'm using this long weekend to fiddle around with the wires and settings of my set-up. Here are some questions which occurred to me while I was unplugging all the wires and dismantling the whole thing.

1. what is the use of 2 sets of front speakers? Di ba eto yung speaker A (fronts, center, rears) and B(fronts only)? Can you use them together? or are  you supposed to allocate one set for one use (like HT) and the other set for another purpose (like music)?

2. the flooring of my house is parquet. the spikes at the bottom of my floorstanding speakers (fronts) cause all sorts of scratches on the floor. can i just remove the spikes? i figure, its not like i have an ideal set-up anyway (no sound insulation, no carpets, no thick curtains etc), what's one more violation?  ;D

a. in the alternative, can i just put like mini floor mats below the spikes (assuming for the sake of argument that i can find one, and that the effect isn't too horrible, design wise)?

3. i kind of misjudged the length of wires i use for the set up. for example, i got this really long component video cables when the distance between the tv and receiver is only maybe 2-3 feet. and then the speaker wires for my surrounds are likewise a little long. is it okay to tie them up and consolidate so the wires aren't too messy?

4. do you use the FM function of your receiver to listen to radio?

5. how do you set the speakers to 'large' or 'small'? i've been reading the manual and i can't seem to find what button to press?

6. what's the meaning of the letters "HF" and "LF" at the back of my front speakers?



Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: mb88 on Oct 12, 2007 at 02:27 PM
Good day!

Hereunder are my inputs/suggestions to address your queries:

1. AVReceivers or amps have A+B speaker outputs to offer flexibility to the consumer should he plan to use two sets of front speakers for the AVR or to use it for bi-amping a single set or to use two different speakers for HT and music as you mentioned, or to use both sets for both music and HT. Possibilities and combos are many and it would depend on your preference and liking. Try it out.

Be very cautious, however of the impedances of your speakers and the nominal load that your amp can handle. Normally, AVRs or amps are safe for 4-8ohm loads. Should you decide to run 2 speakers simultaneously, make sure that each is at least 8ohms to give your amp a safe 4ohm load for the fronts. Running low ohm loads will make your amp run hotter and eventually shut it down. After prolonged use, it will surely damage your AVR 

Be forewarned also that doing so, you will eventually be able to compare different speakers and know their different signatures with the ability to do side by side tests. More importantly you will now be able to identify characteristics that you like and dislike, and distinguish your sound that will initially be your reference in auditioning other gear. Do the same for a different amp and it shall be your entry to the never ending quest of your sonic nirvana.

2. I suggest you put 25 centavo coins between the spikes and your floor and test it also without spikes. If you do not hear any difference, who cares?  :D To me floor mats dont look good. It's too Nova Villa to me  :) but if you want them, it's your choice

3. Tidying up the wires is good. Just make sure that it is looped and you dont fold it at the ends to damage it. Also, avoid joining signal cables (RCA.Component,etc) with power cables to prevent unwanted noise that may go into the signal path 

4. I dont. Reception isnt that good in my area

5. Sorry, I am not familiar with your AVR but normally it is the arrow and/or  +/- buttons. Press SET UP and use the arrows to toggle from different settings. I am sure your manual can guide you best

6. HF=High freq (tweeters), LF=Low freq (mids/low). You can route Speaker A to HF and Speaker B to LF
Please refer to your speaker manual first and disconnect the jumper before doing this.   

Hope this helps
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: tonedeaf on Oct 12, 2007 at 02:41 PM
Good day!


6. HF=High freq (tweeters), LF=Low freq (mids/low). You can route Speaker A to HF and Speaker B to LF
Please refer to your manual first and disconnect the jumper before doing this.   

Hope this helps

i use ixos 6003 speaker wires. it's got 3 wires intertwined. the persons who set it up put one of the wires in +HF and the other in -HF. ok, good to know this.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: mb88 on Oct 12, 2007 at 02:59 PM
Your speakers have jumper cables connecting the [HF+ and LF+] and [HF- and LF-]. That is why using one set of wires will "connect" both the LF and HF already. I think leaving it as is will be best.

Buying a new set that will run from speaker B may not introduce a significant sonic difference but will surely look good
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: streetsmart on Oct 12, 2007 at 10:01 PM
3. Tidying up the wires is good. Just make sure that it is looped and you dont fold it at the ends to damage it. Also, avoid joining signal cables (RCA.Component,etc) with power cables to prevent unwanted noise that may go into the signal path 

Good advice but let me add a detail: It's best to have your AV cables completely separate from your power cables because the power cables may cause noise. However, this is often not completely possible. If the AV and power cables should cross each other, make sure that they do so at a 90 degree angle. Never locate them in parrallel.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: MAtZTER on Oct 15, 2007 at 10:09 AM
1. what is the use of 2 sets of front speakers? Di ba eto yung speaker A (fronts, center, rears) and B(fronts only)? Can you use them together? or are  you supposed to allocate one set for one use (like HT) and the other set for another purpose (like music)?

5. how do you set the speakers to 'large' or 'small'? i've been reading the manual and i can't seem to find what button to press?

1.) I wouldnt suggest using them together. But using one 5.1 set for HT plus 1 pair of FS/BS for music is a good idea. Example: a 5.1 satelite/sub set for HT and a pair of BS/FS for music. I believe in using specialty musical speakers for music & HT speakers for HT (thats just me).

2.) I used to have an Onkyo 494 like yours. It doesnt have speakers settings for large or small, instead its on the subwoofer settings. Setting 1 for giving all the LF to the sub, setting 2 for half LF to fronts & half to the sub, setting 3 for all LF to the fronts (I think).
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: kingkydoo on Oct 16, 2007 at 07:23 AM
Good advice but let me add a detail: It's best to have your AV cables completely separate from your power cables because the power cables may cause noise. However, this is often not completely possible. If the AV and power cables should cross each other, make sure that they do so at a 90 degree angle. Never locate them in parrallel.

Question, are speaker wires "power cables" or "signal cables"?
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: streetsmart on Oct 16, 2007 at 09:12 AM
Question, are speaker wires "power cables" or "signal cables"?

"AV" cables are Audio-Video cables. The speaker wires carry the audio signal and are therefore part of the AV cables. AV cables can also be called signal cables because they carry the audio-video signals.

The general rule is that the AV cables should not run in parrallel with the power cables.
Title: newbie set-up
Post by: niceNslow on Oct 16, 2007 at 10:20 PM
may budget na ako but nalilito kung anong brand and set-up ang gusto ko, before na puro plano alam ko kung ano ng brand ang gusto ko but now na may budget na and malapit na ako bumili, bigla-bilglang nalilito na ako. yung room size is 12ft(long) by 9ft(wide), ano ba magandang display para sa maliit na room, projector(benq w100) or lcd(samasung or sony)? wharfedale yung unang choice ko, mission yung pangalawa, parehong bookshelf. sa surround ano magandang brand? sa center speaker? sa sub? ang receiver ko pala is sansui na 5.1. dapat din ba na id go for hd or yung 1080p stuff?
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: tonedeaf on Oct 16, 2007 at 10:37 PM
2.) I used to have an Onkyo 494 like yours. It doesnt have speakers settings for large or small, instead its on the subwoofer settings. Setting 1 for giving all the LF to the sub, setting 2 for half LF to fronts & half to the sub, setting 3 for all LF to the fronts (I think).

thanks. will check this out.  ;D
Title: Re: newbie set-up
Post by: niceNslow on Oct 17, 2007 at 04:09 AM
reply naman kayo?
Title: Re: newbie set-up
Post by: Philjonc on Oct 17, 2007 at 07:11 AM
may budget na ako but nalilito kung anong brand and set-up ang gusto ko, before na puro plano alam ko kung ano ng brand ang gusto ko but now na may budget na and malapit na ako bumili, bigla-bilglang nalilito na ako. yung room size is 12ft(long) by 9ft(wide), ano ba magandang display para sa maliit na room, projector(benq w100) or lcd(samasung or sony)? wharfedale yung unang choice ko, mission yung pangalawa, parehong bookshelf. sa surround ano magandang brand? sa center speaker? sa sub? ang receiver ko pala is sansui na 5.1. dapat din ba na id go for hd or yung 1080p stuff?
for small room, use lcd, get all mission speakers for front/surround/center, velodyne sub, your receiver should have hdmi as well as your source(dvd player). enjoy dude!
Title: Re: newbie set-up
Post by: kingkydoo on Oct 17, 2007 at 07:40 AM
Sir, huwag siguro projector ang gamitin niyo, baka maduling kayo.  :o

An LCD TV would do. Pwede rin siguro plasma (40" up).

Ok wharfedale's. If you could afford more, then try mission's.
Title: Re: newbie set-up
Post by: niceNslow on Oct 17, 2007 at 06:02 PM
wala yata hdmi yung sansui receiver ko but for now siguro gamitin ko muna ito then upgrdae na lang sa sunod. salamat sa mga reply. dagdag pa kayo ng mga input pls?
Title: Re: newbie set-up
Post by: audiojunkie on Oct 17, 2007 at 07:49 PM
wala yata hdmi yung sansui receiver ko but for now siguro gamitin ko muna ito then upgrdae na lang sa sunod. salamat sa mga reply. dagdag pa kayo ng mga input pls?


It means you already have sansui AVR... If you are getting plama or LCD w/ HDMI to time  to get new AVR with same option but if possible have pre-outs of 5.1 or 7.1 channels incase you want to power amp in the future. If more on movies check yamaha or HK but 50/50 music/HT Denon or Marantz. Wafe or mission are both bang for the buck but audition them to suit your taste... ;D 
Title: Re: newbie set-up
Post by: niceNslow on Oct 18, 2007 at 07:16 AM
@audio
salamat sa reply sir. audition ako bukas kung mission or wharfedale or paradigm, parang kinakabahan nga ako eh, parang hindi kasi approachable yung kausap ko sa phone, but who knows. wish me luck guys!
Title: Re: newbie set-up
Post by: accastil on Oct 21, 2007 at 09:24 AM
id go for a plasma, a very good one(but you need to darken the room). for the speakers, id go for the cheapest (but decent) possible options. the receiver, any decent one with at least 100wpc rms will do.

to be more specific:
sony LCD (the flagship model para malupit ang resolution)
denon or onkyo AVR or anything cheaper but decent.
dai-chi all around
a subwoofer.
Title: Re: newbie set-up
Post by: Mo®pHeOu$ on Oct 22, 2007 at 08:56 PM
Try to audition everything that you are looking for.  Okey lang sa mga stores yan ganyang sistema.  From there, you will be able to choose which are the ones that would satisfy your taste. 

Good luck and happy hunting.  :D
Title: help for a starter HT
Post by: southice on Mar 11, 2008 at 10:46 AM
can u guys recommend a good brand that doesn't hurt the budget that much for a simple home theater setup 42" lcd tv/rec/player/ etc. what else do i need to consider. thanks  :)
Title: Re: help for a starter HT
Post by: John E. on Mar 11, 2008 at 11:23 AM
Id say

1)visit the  audio-video store board first and canvass pricess of what you need which corresponds with your budget.

i would recommend if you're in makati

THE HOME THEATER  
Prince Tower - Ground Floor
Tordesillas corner Bautista Streets
Salcedo Village, Makati

PM Butch HT

Sights and Sound

Shangri-la Mall

PM E-Reply

Theater Works if in QC area

PM Nemisis

and

Cyber_mms

kung nasa cavite area ka naman.

they all have good prices and nice deals that will suit your budget...

2) research the net on the recommeded products and choose what you think is suited for your taste and budget. hindi mo narin kailangan lumayo sa PDVD ka na mag research! try to vist the gallery section.

3) audition these gears! you must do this for first hand experience! wag mahiya at accommodating naman ang mga stores na ito! friendly with good customer service.

at bago ka bumili

4) visit http://pinoybazaar.forumotion.com/index.htm for cheap pre-owned gears baka may magustuhan ka na mas mura ;D if you are not sensitive with pre-owned.

for a top 10 check list of gears for a simple HT

1) LCD (toshiba, samsung, panasonic)
2) audio video receiver (yamaha, onkyo, denon etc...)
3) DVD player (pioneer, samsung etc...)
4) speakers fronts (bookshelf or floorstanders), center, surrounds and 4.1) subwoofer (b&w, mission, wharfedale or pwede rin A-Audio contact nerveblocker)
5) wires and connections (HDMI, optical, coaxial etc...)
6) voltage regulator
7) tv rack or wall bracket
8) audio/video rack (sabre ask your suking HT store or PM Matzer)
9) line conditioner
10)speaker stands

yun it gets complicated as time passes by  ::)

11) HD player
12) tube amp
13) audio set-up

etc...etc...
Title: Re: help for a starter HT
Post by: John E. on Mar 11, 2008 at 11:25 AM
 ;D pag kailangan mo naman ng posters for wall decor baka makatulong si ctlim ;)
Title: noob question
Post by: defjam on Apr 16, 2008 at 04:20 PM
newbie question lang...kasi im planning to set up my HT palang, but i usually watch downloaded movies ung mga avi file na 700mb lang and currently using an old htib.If i set up a new ht(avr, speakers, sub etc.) meron ba diff sa sound? o same lang?salamat po ;D
Title: Re: noob question
Post by: bigshot_inter on Apr 16, 2008 at 06:32 PM
audio quality will depend on the type of audio codex (ac3, vbr mp3, etc...) and quality of audio encoding ( 128kbps, 192kbps,...) on the video file. A good HT system will definitely bring out the flaws of a poorly audio encoded video file.
Title: Re: noob question
Post by: audiojunkie on Apr 16, 2008 at 06:39 PM
newbie question lang...kasi im planning to set up my HT palang, but i usually watch downloaded movies ung mga avi file na 700mb lang and currently using an old htib.If i set up a new ht(avr, speakers, sub etc.) meron ba diff sa sound? o same lang?salamat po ;D

depende sa decoding capability of your AVR. Those latest models w/ Dolby prologic IIx and DTS NEO will improve the AQ of your viewing environment but not Night & Day compared to DD or DTS encoded movies.  ;D
Title: Re: noob question
Post by: defjam on Apr 16, 2008 at 07:18 PM
im gonna get the onkyo 604 kasi and ung mga avi file na download ko is 128/kbps mp3 lang...should i expect improvement?i can download files din naman w/c is ac3 encoded. which one is better?
Title: Re: noob question
Post by: defjam on Apr 17, 2008 at 02:34 PM
need more responses.thanks! ;D
Title: Re: noob question
Post by: audiojunkie on Apr 17, 2008 at 04:19 PM
im gonna get the onkyo 604 kasi and ung mga avi file na download ko is 128/kbps mp3 lang...should i expect improvement?i can download files din naman w/c is ac3 encoded. which one is better?


download only those files w/c is ac3 encoded. it is better...  ;D

Title: Re: noob question
Post by: defjam on Apr 17, 2008 at 05:30 PM
thanks sir!
Title: Re: help for a starter HT
Post by: dinz23 on May 16, 2008 at 03:29 PM
musta na sir? nabuo na ba ang HT mo?
Title: HT questions and clarifications
Post by: penguin230 on Jul 22, 2008 at 01:28 PM
hi, im new here and i have some questions about Ht :) im not really new to Ht as my dad is also into the stuff. anyway, we have Sony Bravia klv-32s310a. Based upon the specs, it is 1080p capable but only has a display resolution of 1366 x 768. does this mean that it will downscale any 1080i or 1080p hd movies i play down to 1366 x 768? or to 720p or 720i?

also, my dad just bought a new tv rack wherein our center channel speaker cant fit. so the options would be to put it on the floor directly in front of the rack , but as much as possible i want the setup to be as clean looking as possible. another option would be stand it vertically beside the tv. or to simple remove it.

is standing it on the side greatly affect the sound? we do have another, smaller pioneer center speaker that i might opt to use instead of the one we are using now and put it in front of the tv. il try to provide pictures of the setup soon. any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks!  :)

- jb
Title: Re: HT questions and clarifications
Post by: oReOsHaKe on Jul 22, 2008 at 01:38 PM
hi, im new here and i have some questions about Ht :) im not really new to Ht as my dad is also into the stuff. anyway, we have Sony Bravia klv-32s310a. Based upon the specs, it is 1080p capable but only has a display resolution of 1366 x 768. does this mean that it will downscale any 1080i or 1080p hd movies i play down to 1366 x 768? or to 720p or 720i?

also, my dad just bought a new tv rack wherein our center channel speaker cant fit. so the options would be to put it on the floor directly in front of the rack , but as much as possible i want the setup to be as clean looking as possible. another option would be stand it vertically beside the tv. or to simple remove it.

is standing it on the side greatly affect the sound? we do have another, smaller pioneer center speaker that i might opt to use instead of the one we are using now and put it in front of the tv. il try to provide pictures of the setup soon. any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks!  :)

- jb

The video output will be downscaled to TV's native resolution if your TV is capable, if not, you may have to set your player or receiver to send the nearest resolution (720p) to your TV.

An option is to put your center speaker on top of the TV via 2 brackets with a thick plywood on it.  Ideally, the center speaker should be on top or below your TV. 
Title: Re: HT questions and clarifications
Post by: penguin230 on Jul 22, 2008 at 10:11 PM
thanks for the reply. im afraid putting the center speaker above the tv wont be possible because there are french windows behind it. the smaller pioneer center speaker however can fit in the rack exactly below the tv. will there be issues on mixing and matching the speakers? especially if the others are not pioneer?
thanks again!  :)

- jb
Title: Re: HT questions and clarifications
Post by: eksi on Jul 23, 2008 at 05:21 PM
thanks for the reply. im afraid putting the center speaker above the tv wont be possible because there are french windows behind it. the smaller pioneer center speaker however can fit in the rack exactly below the tv. will there be issues on mixing and matching the speakers? especially if the others are not pioneer?
thanks again!  :)

- jb

if you cannot place bracket above your tv, maybe you could consider having DIY additional stand for your tv wherein you can insert your center speaker.  as suggested by oreoshake, its better below or above your display. i was advised before that center speaker should match atleast your fronts.
Title: Re: HT questions and clarifications
Post by: penguin230 on Jul 23, 2008 at 08:24 PM
ohh ok. il try to come up with something :) if all else fails i just might put in on the floor just in front of the amp. thanks!
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: corsy on Sep 15, 2008 at 08:56 PM
Hi po! I just want to ask kung malaking difference in terms of quality ng digital coaxial sa monster cable (or pareho lang sila po?) and sa RCA cable. hehe!

Kasi yung DVD to receiver ko connected using 1 monster cable na nakita ko lang sa bahay. I'm wondering kung magiimprove yung sound quality kung bibili ako ng digital coaxial cable (w/c costs 1,200 sa ansons :-|).

And if ever ,as ok nga mismo yung digital coaxial san kaya pwede makabili ng mura mura :-)

Sorry daming tanong! thanks po :-)
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: streetsmart on Sep 16, 2008 at 10:32 AM
Wag ka na magtapon ng pera mo. Pareho lang yan.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: corsy on Sep 17, 2008 at 04:04 AM
thanks po! sorry newbie  talaga :D
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: tonedeaf on Oct 28, 2008 at 10:53 PM
how do i get the sound of my TV to come out of my HT-set up, instead of the TV speakers? i know, i know, no TV channel provides stereo sound, or anything close to it  ;D i just want to know how it works.
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: newbie pa rin on Oct 29, 2008 at 05:09 AM
how do i get the sound of my TV to come out of my HT-set up, instead of the TV speakers? i know, i know, no TV channel provides stereo sound, or anything close to it  ;D i just want to know how it works.

just connect your TV's audio out or is it audio in to your HT set up
vice versa if you want to use your TV's speaker
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: Butthole on Nov 13, 2008 at 11:10 AM
Good Day. I've been itching to upgrade my HTiB (samsung) since we got our LCD package. While I'm trying to build up my budget, I would like to ask:

Would a pre/pro+power amp be better than an AVR receiver alone (considering best bang-for-the-buck)?
Title: Plasma Setup
Post by: WOS on Jan 14, 2009 at 04:21 PM
Hi!

Just bought a plasma tv and need advises/suggestions/recommendations on the easiest and least expensive setup on how to watch downloaded tv shows from my computer. 

I live in a condo unit and plasma TV is in the master bedroom while computer is outside the room.

Also, any recommendations on a reasonable priced wireless headphone that has volume control?  This would use basically for watching TV.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Plasma Setup
Post by: odyopayl on Jan 15, 2009 at 04:28 PM
Hi!

Just bought a plasma tv and need advises/suggestions/recommendations on the easiest and least expensive setup on how to watch downloaded tv shows from my computer. 

I live in a condo unit and plasma TV is in the master bedroom while computer is outside the room.

Also, any recommendations on a reasonable priced wireless headphone that has volume control?  This would use basically for watching TV.

Thanks in advance.
For a downloaded TV show? use you TV speakers instead of using headphones. But for Movies a headphone or HT in a box will work fine.
Title: Re: Plasma Setup
Post by: Lancito on Jan 15, 2009 at 04:30 PM
Get an NMT (E-great, Popcorn Hour, HDX etc.) or WDTV.
Title: Re: Plasma Setup
Post by: WOS on Jan 15, 2009 at 08:45 PM
Sorry for the mixed-up.

What I meant was downloaded tv shows & movies are on my PC, which is outside our room, while the plasma is inside the master bedroom.  I would like to watch the downloaded tv shows & movies on the plasma.

What is the best & economical set-up?
Title: Re: Plasma Setup
Post by: jojitv on Jan 25, 2009 at 05:48 AM
Move your PC to the bedroom. ;D j/k

How far is your plasma from the PC? If it's not to far, you can connect it using a VGA cable similar to this..

(http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/4171/5601zx0.jpg) (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10201&cs_id=1020105&p_id=560&seq=1&format=1#largeimage) (http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/5388/5602vf8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

You can have it routed thru your ceiling so it's hidden....


Or get an NMT as Lancito has suggested. More expensive but a lot easier to do.
Title: newbie needs help
Post by: e2icroyc on Jun 23, 2009 at 07:37 PM
First of all my name is Roy Corachea, i am now residing here in Vienna, Austria. I have been bitten by the bug(audio world). i started with my hobby on car audio for 2 years now, i can say that i am satisfied with how my car audio sounds. I am forum member of KAC and you can see my ride there if it interest you. just search KROY2 Trajet.  since i always look at KAC, i ended up reading the topic about Home Theater, there is were i found out about pinoydvd. i´ve been lurking here for quite sometime and been reading and learned alot of info about HT.

i realized i have invested so much on my car audio but i only use my car on week ends,probably 3 hours a week. from that realization comes another hobby. i am now bitten by HT bug.

i need your help on somethings.

our flat is small.  the area/wall where i will be hanging our Samsung 40" LCD TV is 130cmX205. my plan is to hang it on the center.
im am now 95% decided on buying an ONKYO HT system.
here is the link.
http://www.eu.onkyo.com/products/HT-S5205.html
i have a normal dvd player to hook to the receiver.
since the space were i will hang the LCD is to big, my wife tells me that she thinks a 50"TV would be better. i know it will look better but the tv we are eyeing is just 19cm wider and 14.6cm taller. still the wall is too big and the difference is not that big. a 55" will of course be better. my idea on the other hand is to  get a projector and a pulldown white screen. just like most of the set-up here in Pinoydvd.
the only 50" i can afford is a samsung plasma PS 50B430 or PS50B450. but again it does not make such big difference on the size.
if you were on my shoes given the facts, will you get a 50" plasma  or the 40" lcd plus projector. lcd is half the price of the 50" Plasma and it is a sony lcd projector.

by the way sofa will be just 3 meters away from  tv. i´llpost picture of the house later will wait for your help and suggestions.
Title: Re: newbie needs help
Post by: iiinas on Jun 23, 2009 at 07:55 PM
welcome sir roy to pdvd.

it really depends on how you will be using your set-up, is it exclusively for movies or will there be tv/cable/games viewing & playing also. because if its for both tv/cable/games and movies. then the more practical route is to go lcd/plasma, since using your pj (projector) for tv/cable/games viewing & playing will be too costly in the long term. but if you think 50" is still too small, i suggest you can go small lcd (32" or 37") for your tv/cable and games fix and a pj with a pull down screen (over the small panel) for movies. this way you get best of both worlds and i think with this combination, the cost will just be about getting a 50" or 55" lcd or plasma.

for your 3 meters viewing length, you can go as big as 82"-85" for your projector screen. i think that will be big enough for movie viewing. but one think you should consider, make sure the room has very little or no ambient light at all, projectors work best in dark rooms, even with brand's advertising that their pj's have high lumens, its still the best to view this in the dark, ala theater. and investment in heavy curtains and drapes will come to mind.

this is my humble opinion. i think there will be a lot more suggestion in the coming moments. goodluck on your new found hobby!  ;D
Title: Re: newbie needs help
Post by: e2icroyc on Jun 23, 2009 at 08:31 PM
sir bale existing na yong 40" na lcd eh. nasa bedroom sya ngayon and ililipat sa living room/HT ;D .
for all around nga po. tv/movie/gaming.

plan ko lang kumuha ng projector to be used for movies. bale existing LCD sa likod tapos pull down screen na lang kung pj na. don´t get me wrong mga sir, though mali nga ata pag ka sulat ko. malaki po ang 50" na plasma nga  lang maliit pa din sya compared sa whole wall na 205cmX130cm. ibig ko pong sabihin ay kahit 50" na ang ikabit malaki pa ding ang matitirang sides sa paligid.

ok po kaya yong 50"plasma from samsung, if i go for 50" plasma ito po kasi pinagpipilian namin ni mrs.
Title: Re: newbie needs help
Post by: iiinas on Jun 23, 2009 at 08:43 PM
sir bale existing na yong 40" na lcd eh. nasa bedroom sya ngayon and ililipat sa living room/HT ;D .
for all around nga po. tv/movie/gaming.

plan ko lang kumuha ng projector to be used for movies. bale existing LCD sa likod tapos pull down screen na lang kung pj na. don´t get me wrong mga sir, though mali nga ata pag ka sulat ko. malaki po ang 50" na plasma nga  lang maliit pa din sya compared sa whole wall na 205cmX130cm. ibig ko pong sabihin ay kahit 50" na ang ikabit malaki pa ding ang ma***rang sides sa paligid.

ok po kaya yong 50"plasma from samsung, if i go for 50" plasma ito po kasi pinagpipilian namin ni mrs.

hmmm, i think if that's the case, then i will keep the 40" lcd on your bedroom for the cable/tv/games thing. then just set up the pj on the living room. because by doing so, you free up another 1 feet of space for the screen which translates to another 5"-7", so from an 82"-85" pj screen you can now go 87"-92" screen, because the screen can be mounted just against the wall without brackets, this is usually done to give space to the pj screen going down in front of an installed lcd/plasma panel. this way, you also save money.

i understand your point. i went through the same thing when i bought my first 37" lcd, then found out within months that i want something bigger, but a 50" does not look so big anymore, a 60"< is very interesting but the price is just unreachable. so the pj was really the way to go. you will not go wrong with a pj, the experience is truly cinematic.  ;D 
Title: Re: newbie needs help
Post by: e2icroyc on Jun 23, 2009 at 10:41 PM
ang hirap pala sir nitong bagong hobby ko. hirap mag decide. i actually still have a jvc tv(tube) makapal masyado pero flat screen nya.yon yong nasa salas dati kaso ang laki sobra walang mapapaglagyan sa bedroom except kung sa pasamano ng bintana. mas gusto ko actually yong lcd tapos may projector pa din sa salas. haay nalilito na ako. asking for opinion kasi para di ako magkamali ng decision.  malaking pera din kasi ito. pero is 40" already ok. laki kasi talaga nong wall na paglalagyan eh. im also thinking of putting dvd holders na lang sa both sides ng lcd to make it look fuller. ok kaya yon or makaka distract ba yon habang na nonood na ng tv.

here is more or less how it will look like
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/e2icroyc/Slide1-1.jpg)

this with comparison 2 50"
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/e2icroyc/Presentation150.jpg)

ito naman with dvd holder sa tabi ng 40"
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/e2icroyc/Slide3-1.jpg)
is it practical or is it worth to buy the plasma?
Title: Re: newbie needs help
Post by: iiinas on Jun 24, 2009 at 12:51 AM
ang hirap pala sir nitong bagong hobby ko. hirap mag decide. i actually still have a jvc tv(tube) makapal masyado pero flat screen nya.yon yong nasa salas dati kaso ang laki sobra walang mapapaglagyan sa bedroom except kung sa pasamano ng bintana. mas gusto ko actually yong lcd tapos may projector pa din sa salas. haay nalilito na ako. asking for opinion kasi para di ako magkamali ng decision.  malaking pera din kasi ito. pero is 40" already ok. laki kasi talaga nong wall na paglalagyan eh. im also thinking of putting dvd holders na lang sa both sides ng lcd to make it look fuller. ok kaya yon or makaka distract ba yon habang na nonood na ng tv.

here is more or less how it will look like
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/e2icroyc/Slide1-1.jpg)

this with comparison 2 50"
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/e2icroyc/Presentation150.jpg)

ito naman with dvd holder sa tabi ng 40"
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/e2icroyc/Slide3-1.jpg)
is it practical or is it worth to buy the plasma?

for a 3 meter viewing length, a forty or even a fifty incher will really look small. regardless whether you want to put the 40" lcd in the ht area or let it stay in the bedroom is up to you. your main decision right now is actually whether to go with a bigger 50" plasma or a really big pj screen. as i have stated before and what i still think is the best option, is to get the pj screen. since it will save you money and in the end give you better viewing pleasure.

i think you are really at a crossroads here. so the best thing to do is to audition, go to an av shop with both pj set-up and 50" panel showing. look at the picture quality and screen size of both, in the end it does not matter what other people want, its really what you and your wife want. goodluck.
Title: Re: newbie needs help
Post by: e2icroyc on Jun 24, 2009 at 02:24 PM
thank you sir iiinas, looks like we will go for the PJ screen. we decided to mount the 40"lcd in the living room already and decided not to buy the 50" plasma. my bad, the 40 incher was not that small after all. iba pala pag naka kabit na. i will go to an av store to audition a good PJ and probably a 32"lcd for the bedroom.

salamat sa input sir iiinas, malaking tulong po.

i´ll post my DIY HT sa HT gallery.
Title: Re: newbie needs help
Post by: iiinas on Jun 24, 2009 at 02:58 PM
thank you sir iiinas, looks like we will go for the PJ screen. we decided to mount the 40"lcd in the living room already and decided not to buy the 50" plasma. my bad, the 40 incher was not that small after all. iba pala pag naka kabit na. i will go to an av store to audition a good PJ and probably a 32"lcd for the bedroom.

salamat sa input sir iiinas, malaking tulong po.

i´ll post my DIY HT sa HT gallery.

no problem, will await your ht at the gallery.  ;D
Title: Re: newbie needs help
Post by: Huddaf on Jun 24, 2009 at 03:06 PM
Uy welcome to pdvd Roy! Lets wait and see your design sa HT Picture Gallery! More power!  ;)
Title: setting-up my first home entertainment system: dedicated AVR(?) vs pc
Post by: jduval on Aug 01, 2009 at 10:49 AM
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setting-up my first home entertainment system: dedicated AVR(?) vs pc

any comments, suggestion or info will greatly be appreciated
Title: Re: Newbie Questions ( FAQ )
Post by: j0hans0n on Aug 08, 2009 at 06:31 PM
curious newbie here,

about tubes (in amplifiers),
would they break or easily burn out with loud music/fast-paced/pc-console-games/movies/rnb/hiphop audio?
what are their limitations?
on a basic two channel setup, would more tubes also mean better sound or just more power?

anyway, damay ko na iba ko pang questions:
i plan to get DIYed audio everything, hahaha
BS ProaClones, JD Tube amp, JD Tube Preamp, cjtrader diyed rca
plus a diyed subwoofer (from whoever can make me one), plus perhaps an SS amp for it (since i don't know if bass duty still needs to be tube driven :D )
would these fit my room size of 24sqm?

ito pala room schematics ko :D
(http://i337.photobucket.com/albums/n389/j0hans0n/Room-1.jpg)

thanks
hehe
Title: Re: Newbie Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: sientobente on Sep 20, 2009 at 03:28 PM
Hi. Also a newbie. I have questions about DTS, Dolby etc. I have read wikipedia and stuff but I can't seem to grasp it. My question is, if the receiver is lets say DTS something, even if the source is a 3.5mm jack coming from my computer, it can reproduce a theater like sound? thanks.
Title: Re: Newbie Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: iiinas on Sep 20, 2009 at 04:37 PM
Hi. Also a newbie. I have questions about DTS, Dolby etc. I have read wikipedia and stuff but I can't seem to grasp it. My question is, if the receiver is lets say DTS something, even if the source is a 3.5mm jack coming from my computer, it can reproduce a theater like sound? thanks.

dts and dolby digital are multi channel digital sound, these are usually available/encoded on movie disc/file. from a player (dvd/bluray/media) for you to be able to enjoy these digital sounds (dolby and dts) your player should have a digital output jack (hdmi, optical or coax) if you dont have these jacks then you cant enjoy these formats. as for playing in a computer, as long as you have a file encoded with either dts and dolby, you should buy an optical cable which have an adapter which can be use for a 3.5mm audio jack, insert that to your computer, connect the other end of the optical cable to your receiver, then sound should come out.

remember, if the file/disc is not encoded with either dolby or dts, even if your receiver can decode the formats, it wont play these sound formats.  :)
Title: Re: Newbie Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: sientobente on Sep 21, 2009 at 03:25 AM
dts and dolby digital are multi channel digital sound, these are usually available/encoded on movie disc/file. from a player (dvd/bluray/media) for you to be able to enjoy these digital sounds (dolby and dts) your player should have a digital output jack (hdmi, optical or coax) if you dont have these jacks then you cant enjoy these formats. as for playing in a computer, as long as you have a file encoded with either dts and dolby, you should buy an optical cable which have an adapter which can be use for a 3.5mm audio jack, insert that to your computer, connect the other end of the optical cable to your receiver, then sound should come out.

remember, if the file/disc is not encoded with either dolby or dts, even if your receiver can decode the formats, it wont play these sound formats.  :)

great explanation sir.  :) it makes things a lot clearer right now.  :)
Title: Re: Newbie Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: jepoi on Dec 14, 2009 at 04:16 PM
dts and dolby digital are multi channel digital sound, these are usually available/encoded on movie disc/file. from a player (dvd/bluray/media) for you to be able to enjoy these digital sounds (dolby and dts) your player should have a digital output jack (hdmi, optical or coax) if you dont have these jacks then you cant enjoy these formats. as for playing in a computer, as long as you have a file encoded with either dts and dolby, you should buy an optical cable which have an adapter which can be use for a 3.5mm audio jack, insert that to your computer, connect the other end of the optical cable to your receiver, then sound should come out.

remember, if the file/disc is not encoded with either dolby or dts, even if your receiver can decode the formats, it wont play these sound formats.  :)

mejo related na question po...

what if i do have the receiver that can decode these files, and a source that has one of these (for example DTS 5.1), pero yung nakakabit na speaker sa receiver ko e 1 sub, and fronts lang (basically a 2.1 set-up), yung ibang signals ba (mid/center & surround) hindi na maririnig?
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: blackie on Dec 14, 2009 at 04:54 PM
If you choose DTS 5.1 as the way you want to hear it..... Then expect to see a movie without any dialogue and whirring helicopters and passing bullets from behind.  If you do not plan to get a center channel and surround speakers, try pressing the audio button of your dvd player, the disc may have been encrytpted in 2.0  (mono) which kind of defeats the purpose why you chose to select DTS in the first place.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 15, 2009 at 05:27 AM
DD and DTS are sound formats the modern receiver decodes and are independent of the listening or speaker modes you set on the receiver.  Once the receiver decodes the format, your speaker set-up can be 5.1 or 4.1 with a phantom center or even stereo which downmixes the 6 channels into 2 so you still hear everything but not in surround mode.   
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: jepoi on Dec 18, 2009 at 10:57 AM
i think i get it... pa-verify...  ;D

so, if 2.1 pa lang setup ko, from the source, select ko muna stereo out.  pag nakumpleto ko na surround (and center), that's when i can select those 5.1 audio tracks, right?

so, pano yung mga files (mkvs for example) na isa lang ang audio track (na 5.1 format), can the receiver do the down-mixing?  (eto na ata yung sinabi ni boss av_phile1, hindi ko lang naintindihan, ahehe...)
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: jepoi on Dec 24, 2009 at 10:02 PM
up...
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: Philander on Dec 24, 2009 at 10:16 PM
i think i get it... pa-verify...  ;D

so, if 2.1 pa lang setup ko, from the source, select ko muna stereo out.  pag nakumpleto ko na surround (and center), that's when i can select those 5.1 audio tracks, right?

so, pano yung mga files (mkvs for example) na isa lang ang audio track (na 5.1 format), can the receiver do the down-mixing?  (eto na ata yung sinabi ni boss av_phile1, hindi ko lang naintindihan, ahehe...)

Yes. That is correct.

If you are using digital out of your DVD/Source player to your receiver, then you can set your receiver to have 2.1 channel only. In a usual hometheater system (Receiver or even HTIB), you have the option to configure speaker set-up. If the center or subwoofer is present or there are surround speakers connected. The speaker size and distance, etc.

So if you have a source of 5.1 audio and you have configured your receiver to say... 2.1 basically the receiver will process the sound and produces 2.1 audio. This is called downmixing.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: jepoi on Dec 25, 2009 at 07:16 AM
ah, ok.  thanks for the explanation sir!

another question...

so, assuming i already have the 2.1 speaker setup.  ang next na ba dito 5.1?  hindi ba pwedeng center muna bibilhin ko before the surrounds?  parang wala pa kase akong naririnig na 3.1 speaker setup eh.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 25, 2009 at 12:24 PM
Unfortunately, walang choice for 3.1.  You can set the receiver to 5.1 and just have a 3.1 speaker set-up but you won't hear the rear channel information.  If I were you, I'll get the rear speakers first since you can always have a phantom center mode.  Those rear channel are what makes the enveloping surround sound work if correctly placed. 
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: Philander on Dec 25, 2009 at 12:59 PM
Unfortunately, walang choice for 3.1.  You can set the receiver to 5.1 and just have a 3.1 speaker set-up but you won't hear the rear channel information.  If I were you, I'll get the rear speakers first since you can always have a phantom center mode.  Those rear channel are what makes the enveloping surround sound work if correctly placed. 

Hi Av_phile1, ang pagkakaalam ko merong 3.1 setup sa receiver. In may Marantz receiver as well as on my Samsung HTIB. You can "ON" the speaker to fronts (default of course), subwoofer, and center... thus 3.1.

There's an option for 4.1 as well where you can ON the speakers for fronts, sub, and surround.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: av_phile1 on Dec 26, 2009 at 06:51 PM
Must be the newer receivers.  Thanks for the update, I'm obviously not.  Then fine, it's just a matter of turning on the channels that have the speakers.  
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: vx2 on Jan 25, 2010 at 12:12 AM
I hope someone sees this thread.

Anyway, my question is this. I have already found the optimal placement for the center and left right speakers. My problem comes in when im planning to put in the surround left and right. Putting the bookshelf speakers into stands and placing them behind the sofa is all and good but I don't want to dig up the floor to make the wires pass by.

Since the sofa is positioned, to the left a window and to the right a door, i am planning on mounting the surround left and right on 1.) the left atop the window clearance 2.) the right atop the door clearance. After this I plan to have them angle downward aiming the sofa.

Would that work? I'd be placing them roughly 7-8 feet high and tilting about 30 degrees or something. Also, since the distance from the window to the bathroom are not exactly the same relative to the sofa, i'd just have to hope the automatic equalizer on the receiver will fix this (if not by me manually.)

thoughts? (I plan to do the same for the 7.1 surrounds, back left, back right if in case i finish wiring it).
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: Philander on Jan 25, 2010 at 12:28 AM
^^

I think that would work.

MOst of the recent models of receivers have auto calibration features (older models have manual setting but still, the objective is the same) where it automatically calculates the distance, size, position, etc of the speakers connected to the receivers and produces the desired settings and configuration with respect to the position and size of the speakers and the listening area.
 
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: vx2 on Jan 25, 2010 at 09:49 AM
Thanks sir.

I'm just concerned that if I go with this set-up it might sound like the sounds are coming from "above" rather than the real sides. Hopefully, a downward angle will alleviate that.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: vx2 on Jan 25, 2010 at 10:54 AM
P.S.

Any idea whhere can i get bookshelf mounts which features tilting and swivel? (or just tilting for that matter)  :D
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: dips15 on Feb 02, 2010 at 04:04 PM
Just wondering.  I've set-up TSi 100s/CS10 and 9dfs with a Denon 1709 imported from the US.  Been using this for a couple of months already but I have a problem of not having enough volume for some sources.  I don't know if I have any connections done wrong but there are some videos that are hardly audible even when maxed out.  In comparison, the same files have no problem with my HTIB. 

I don't think the 1709 shouldn't be that weak with 80 watts per channel while the TSi 100 and CS10 shouldn't be that hard to drive at 8 ohms and at 89 and 91db respectively. 

While I do get a loud enough volume at times with some movies, I do get these volumes at around 80-100 percent of the max volume and I haven't managed to get enough power from my amp to get the higher volumes to see the drivers of my speakers move.

This is the first AVR I've set-up so am not sure if I missed some kind of setting since the user interface of the Denon isn't exactly user friendly.

Any ideas on what I missed or does my Denon just lack the power for what I'm looking for?
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: av_phile1 on Feb 02, 2010 at 06:00 PM
There are many DVD titles with sound tracks that are inherently weak to allow for the encoding of much stronger signals during the moments that require them like explosions. But having said that, you can do the following:

First off, are you using a BD or DVD player?  How are they connected?  If you are connected via multichannel analog, check if your player has an output level control physically or on the menu and maximize it.  I would suggest you use the digital connection SPDIF/Toslink so you can bypass the player's analog circuits.

Check your speaker connection. Are the speaker polarities observed?.  A perception of weak volume is common if polarities are reversed in some speakers.  

Disconnect all interconnects and just listen with the FM tuner in stereo mode, Dolby prologic and multichannel stereo mode to ensure all amps are fine, Are they still weak?


Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: dips15 on Feb 02, 2010 at 08:49 PM
There are many DVD titles with sound tracks that are inherently weak to allow for the encoding of much stronger signals during the moments that require them like explosions. But having said that, you can do the following:

First off, are you using a BD or DVD player?  How are they connected?  If you are connected via multichannel analog, check if your player has an output level control physically or on the menu and maximize it.  I would suggest you use the digital connection SPDIF/Toslink so you can bypass the player's analog circuits.

Check your speaker connection. Are the speaker polarities observed?.  A perception of weak volume is common if polarities are reversed in some speakers.  

Disconnect all interconnects and just listen with the FM tuner in stereo mode, Dolby prologic and multichannel stereo mode to ensure all amps are fine, Are they still weak?




Thanks.  Most of my viewing is through HD-Pro NMT, PS3 or DVD.  Connections are through Toslink or coaxial spdif.  Although even through coaxial digital input, increasing the volume through my NMT still helps. 

Will try your suggestions when I have the time.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: vx2 on Feb 03, 2010 at 01:16 PM
Would anyone advise me on which set up is better or more conducive?

1. Bookshelves
(http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq189/vx2_bucket/1.jpg)



2. DFS, and if so, should it be tilting? It is hoisted pretty high, would that be a problem?
(http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq189/vx2_bucket/2.jpg)

I want to make use of the "multi-zone" thing once in a while that's why i'm considering bookshelves as surrounds, however, i wouldn't mind sacrificing this if DFS would really "draw" me in. Next problem however is the placement.

Or is this whole thing overkill for a room of this size?
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: et414 on Feb 03, 2010 at 01:25 PM
dipoles are usually recommended as side surrounds only. direct radiating for the rest including back surround channels.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: vx2 on Feb 03, 2010 at 01:28 PM
Thanks!

Do i need to tilt the dipoles or find a way to lower them? If you can see on the picture the left side(window side) is kind of angular and all, will this reduce effectiveness?

Bookshelves for Surround Back then?
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: et414 on Feb 03, 2010 at 01:47 PM
anong dimensions ng room mo?
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: vx2 on Feb 03, 2010 at 03:33 PM
14 feet long, about 8 feet wide ( up to 10 feet if around the angled extension windows.)

This is my bedroom though, so about half of that occupies a bed and thus my seat will be a bit in front of the bed.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: et414 on Feb 03, 2010 at 06:04 PM
oh so that's why the seats are so near the front :) yeah bookshelves for the back but imo you don't really need them if you only have one row of seating and you're going to be in the sweet spot most of the time.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: vx2 on Feb 04, 2010 at 08:08 AM
Yeah. But that can be adjusted if I place my bed sideways  ;D

Oh btw, the dipoles, do I need to lower them or angle them or whatnot?
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: Galactus on Mar 08, 2010 at 10:23 AM
I'm planning on buying a new AVR, preferably something which can decode Dolby True HD and DTS HD Master Audio signals.  I currently own a Samsung HTZ-220 HTIB, so I plan on using the provided 5.1 speakers for the meantime, while saving up for separate speakers.  (I'm eyeing either the Onkyo 507 or Pioneer 819)

However, I read in another forum that modern AVR's cannot amplify passive subwoofers (which the HTZ-220 has).  Mahina daw ang sound output kasi line-level amplification lang, aside from the fact na RCA jack ang connector sa likod ng AVR.  Malamang, magso-solder pa ako since proprietary connection yung sa Samsung.  So, I have to buy pa daw an active sub?  (Gastos na naman!  :-[)

Is this true?  May work-around ba so I can use the passive sub to give out decent bass?
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: vx2 on Mar 08, 2010 at 10:55 AM
^^i don't think the HTIB's speakers are compatible with dedicated AVRs. They have proprietary plugs that are different. Are they cube-ish plugs or they just wires?
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: Galactus on Mar 08, 2010 at 01:33 PM
Cubish, parang RJ-45 jacks.  I plan to cut them anyway kung sakaling nakabili na ako ng bagong AVR.  So it's not going to be a problem. 

One more thing, the Sammy speakers are rated at 141 watts @ 3 ohms.  Kaya ba siya ng Onkyo 507?
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: gunslinger on Mar 08, 2010 at 02:23 PM
If I were you I'd sell the HTIB to fund your new set-up. :) Kahit 2.1 lang muna mabuo mo and then work your way to purchase the rest to complete your HT. Madami dito sa Marketplace ang pre-owned but attractively priced gears. You can stretch your money a long way if you are patient in looking for what you need. ;)
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: CMac on Mar 08, 2010 at 10:20 PM
@VX2

i'm not sure if you've already purchased dipoles, but bipoles are way better. dipoles as i've read, requires you to be in the "null" point (not really sure the exact term used). in other words, you need to be in a specific loaction to get the ideal radiation from dipoles or else the 2 drivers will cancel each other out. i've no experience with dipoles only bipoles so extra reading online will give you a clearer view w/c is better for your setup.

anyway, i think a wharfe dfs' (if that's the dfs that you're referring to) have bipole config.

additional: high end bipole surrounds have switches for both bi/di config pala
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: vx2 on Mar 09, 2010 at 12:17 AM
thanks HEXA. I'm deciding on whether to put in dipoles/bipoles or just another pair of bookshelves.

I'll do some research on bipoles, can you give any suggestions?
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: CMac on Mar 09, 2010 at 08:11 PM
I really like the bipole dispersion instead of BS. Especially in cramped spaces - localization of BS is more apparent which should not be the case. the general rule is that the surrround sound should not distract you from the display/TV in front. I cannot suggest a specific brand because bipoles with 2 drivers cost a lot.

Just my humble suggestions.
- drivers with at least 5 inches for that added thump
- i would choose 2 mid range drivers instead of just one with 2 tweeters. if budget is limited, one mid driver would still do the trick
- I agree that using multizone can give you that music ambience, therefore you can just get bookshelves for the back surrounds. no one listens to stereo using bipoles anyway. :) According to an article i've read before, the reviewer and his guest prefered bipoles for all the surround tasks (7.1). it's intensely immersive daw. but i'll still go with BS for the back surrounds in accordance to your preference of using the multizone feature.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: fweyd on Apr 09, 2010 at 12:03 PM
Hey guise. Wow. I haven't posted here in a long time.

Anyway, I've been enjoying my very simple 4.0 stereo setup. 2 Floor Standing and 2 Rear Bookshelves. I mainly use it for music as I am in between the 4 speakers. :D

Those are connected to an OLD Yamaha Stereo Sound Receiver RX-V490. Stereo lang. It has 4 speaker connectors at the back, one for Speaker Set A and Speaker Set B. That's where I connected my existing speakers. Pero I was thinking sana of getting a USAudio Sub for my room(really small, 3x3m lang). I need a little more rumble para party na dito sa room. Hahaha.

I was wondering can I connect the USAudio sub to my Receiver? Wont it get overloaded or something?

Longlive PinoyDVD 8)
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: symbian74 on Apr 17, 2010 at 11:36 PM
This is an extremely newbie question but please indulge.  :D Currently my LN37B530 only plays through the built-in speakers in TV mode. How do I hook it up to the HT-Z220? Through a left-right audio cable or through some other means? I'd like to utilize the speaker set-up even for TV viewing. Thanks.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: Philander on Apr 17, 2010 at 11:57 PM
This is an extremely newbie question but please indulge.  :D Currently my LN37B530 only plays through the built-in speakers in TV mode. How do I hook it up to the HT-Z220? Through a left-right audio cable or through some other means? I'd like to utilize the speaker set-up even for TV viewing. Thanks.

Usually, there is monitor out* (audio and video out) in a samsung LCD TV.

Check this image, though for Samsung LN40B530 model

(http://images.televisioninfo.com/images/upload/Image/Reviews/Samsung/LN40B530/callouts/images/Samsung-LN40B530-ports-back_23.jpg)

Check the link here for respective labels
http://www.televisioninfo.com/content/Samsung-LN32B530-LN37B530-LN40B530-LN46B530-and-LN52B530-LCD-HDTV-Review-1345/Connectivity.htm


You can use this analog audio out to connect to the stereo-in of you HTZ 220 using analog stereo RCA cable, then the HTZ 220 will be the one to amplify (and process using DSPs if you like) the audio from TV/Cable or if the LCD has USB input for MP3/videos.



*- Mostly audio out only
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: constyne on Sep 22, 2010 at 05:23 PM
mg sirs, bago lang po ako dito....sorry din po kung mali ata napuntahn ko na topic... hingi lang ako ng opinion nyo.... meron po kasi akong harman kardon avr 255 model, rated 50 watts per channel, then my balak po ako bumili ng  speakers ko, tpos nag tanung ako dito sa glorietta SA automatic center nagbebenta din sila ng HK ask ko kung kaya idrive ng ampli. gang 250 WATTS khit daw gang 350WATTS kaya dw.. taMa po ba ito, di ba masisira ampli ko...and planning to buy n rin aq ng center speaker bose VCS 10 ok lng po ba ito... tnx.. sana matulungan nyo ako... nga po pala ang minimum input power ng speaker ko sana na bibilhin eh 30 watts...
Title: set up
Post by: carlo.A on Oct 17, 2010 at 10:51 AM
im about to set up my gears soon. just bought the speakers last night. my reciever is due to arrive by the end of the month or early next. anyway, any tips on the set up because the placing will be on a corner. the back of the tv and the front speakers will be a corner.

my bedroom is on rectangular and i want to utilize it the most. so ill be putting the sofa also on the corner facing the ht. how should i set up the surround speakers? is having the front speakers on a corner bad?
Title: Re: set up
Post by: jao143 on Oct 17, 2010 at 11:08 AM
it would be helpful if you can post pics of your room.
Title: Re: set up
Post by: carlo.A on Oct 17, 2010 at 11:10 AM
i will. sobra gulo pa e. will be transferring to that room e.  hassle part of the room is that puro cabinet sya
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: ulolin on Oct 22, 2010 at 10:05 AM
sorry if this is the wrong thread... I have a pair of speakers... just need to know what do you usually go for ordering an enclosure....
Title: Re: set up
Post by: odyopayl on Oct 22, 2010 at 05:20 PM
i will. sobra gulo pa e. will be transferring to that room e.  hassle part of the room is that puro cabinet sya
or make an sketch with dimension of your room and where is the sofa and monitor
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: warmaster on Nov 15, 2010 at 05:02 PM
i have an ld460
an xbox 360 connected via hdmi
lg bd550 connectied via hdmi
pioneer dv120k via component

i'm looking into having a 2.1 speaker system that can decode dts and has optical input (for the tv) and coaxial digital input (for the pioneer dvd player)

ano po ba mga options ko? i don't wanna spend too much on the speaker system i think mga 9 or 10k ang limit. i'm not to keen on adding amplifiers and seperate recievers because i want to keep my setup simple and clean (hence 2.1). i have a very small room that i think would benefit from a 2.1 system with virtual surround.

any suggestions would be helpful thanks
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: slicksteiner on Nov 27, 2010 at 09:31 PM
have LD460, unfortunately there is no audio out that comes from analog only optical.. how do i connect my ld460 to my trusted old component that has only rca inputs? is there such a thing as a optical to rca converter here in the philippines?
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: LLG on Dec 16, 2010 at 08:28 AM
Good Morning Sir/s, hope you find the time to entertain this noob here :).

I would just like to know your inputs/advice as I am considering to purchase/use an Altec Lansing VS4121 or Altec Octane7 for a basic 2.1 speaker set-up to go with my pioneer dvd player-LG Plasma set-up.

I understand that originally these are PC/Laptop/MP speakers by nature but I'm currently on a budget and considering I only plan to put them in a  small-medium sized room, I figure I won't need anything too powerful naman to fill it up with sound while watching movies.

I also know of Altec's MX and Expressionist lines which could have been more suitable for my intended use but sadly stocks here are very hard to come by plus they cost twice as much than the VS and Octane7 series. Has anyone tried using their VS or Octane7s with their DVD Players? Will there be any negative effects on the dvd-tv set-up in the long run?  ???

Currently, I tried plugging my Creative 2.1 desktop speakers/Sub to my dvd player (via 3.5-RCA conversion cables) while my dvd's hdmi is plugged to the tv. Tried running tokyo drift's race scenes and no problems so far.

Would the experts advice against this kind of set-up? ??? What are the cons of this set-up po?
Hoping to get your inputs and suggestions mga Sir/s before I go out and purchase the VS or Octane7s. ;D

Thanks in advance. ;D
Title: Re: set up
Post by: Tonteng on Dec 19, 2010 at 02:14 PM
Sir kamusta po yung set nyo? :)
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: bher2 on Feb 09, 2011 at 09:12 AM
just got my new LCD from SnS..

the problem is due to limited funds, nagiisip ako kung pwede na paisa isa lang muna ang bibilhin ko na hardware. since i had my LCD TV, is it ok to buy next a DVD Player? then sunod ang 5.1 speakers?
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: iiinas on Feb 09, 2011 at 09:19 AM
just got my new LCD from SnS..

the problem is due to limited funds, nagiisip ako kung pwede na paisa isa lang muna ang bibilhin ko na hardware. since i had my LCD TV, is it ok to buy next a DVD Player? then sunod ang 5.1 speakers?

tama yan, with the player, you can directly plug it into the tv first for the audio. then upgrade to speakers and receiver once you have the money.

Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: jepoi on Feb 18, 2011 at 09:29 AM
Would it be ok to have these:

Yamaha RX-V467
2 pairs of Polk TSi 200s (as front left, front right, surround left and surround right)
Polk CS10 (center)
Mirage S8 sub


for a small room HT setup?
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: jepoi on Feb 21, 2011 at 08:24 AM
up for my question...
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: iiinas on Feb 22, 2011 at 05:44 AM
Would it be ok to have these:

Yamaha RX-V467
2 pairs of Polk TSi 200s (as front left, front right, surround left and surround right)
Polk CS10 (center)
Mirage S8 sub


for a small room HT setup?

how small is small? 10 sqm, 15 sqm? the gears you have chosen will serve you well. but my advise is to save up for a bigger sub. an 8 incher might not satisfy you long term.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: warmaster on Feb 23, 2011 at 09:55 AM
lahat ba ng speakers kailangan pang i break in? how do i actually do it right and for how long? thanks in advance
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: cjay31 on Apr 21, 2011 at 04:06 PM
Hi noob here. We got Sharp VCD micro system it has video out and video/AUX IN left and right. Just want to know my options. Can i hookup a dvd or bd player on this? Sayang naman kasi to. Kaya po bang audio coming from vcd micro system then video source is dvd/bd player connected to my hdtv

Thanks
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: Tavus on May 30, 2011 at 03:30 PM
heres a question:
I already have decent sub. My rooms about 4x4.5meters big.
Should i go floorstanders or bookshelves if i mostly watch movies?
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: jcsantamarina on May 30, 2011 at 04:48 PM
heres a question:
I already have decent sub. My rooms about 4x4.5meters big.
Should i go floorstanders or bookshelves if i mostly watch movies?

Depends on your budget bro and the receiver you'll use to drive the speakers.
(",)
If it's not a concern, then go for floorstanders.
I have a 3x3.5 space with RTi A3's on an Onkyo 509.
My space is filled at 85% volume.
Enough to silence the noise cOming from the pool area of our condo when there are parties.
I've also tried a T-amp with the RTi A3's and I have solid sound at 50-60% volume.
I think that when We move to a bigger place, I can simply get a bigger AVR and still maximize my speakers.
HTH!
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: Tavus on May 30, 2011 at 08:09 PM
Depends on your budget bro and the receiver you'll use to drive the speakers.
(",)
If it's not a concern, then go for floorstanders.
I have a 3x3.5 space with RTi A3's on an Onkyo 509.
My space is filled at 85% volume.
Enough to silence the noise cOming from the pool area of our condo when there are parties.
I've also tried a T-amp with the RTi A3's and I have solid sound at 50-60% volume.
I think that when We move to a bigger place, I can simply get a bigger AVR and still maximize my speakers.
HTH!

Well I have a harman kardon receiver. If the bookshelves and sub woofer can still sound as good as floorstanders then i might as well go bookshelves. whats the point of floorstander anyway; only if you rooms big?
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: jhelenz on May 30, 2011 at 08:15 PM
heres a question:
I already have decent sub. My rooms about 4x4.5meters big.
Should i go floorstanders or bookshelves if i mostly watch movies?
why not go visit a audio video store and demo a bookshelf + sub and a floorstander +sub.then make a decision if a bookshelf + sub is good enough for you
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: Onkyo606 on May 30, 2011 at 09:41 PM
heres a question:
I already have decent sub. My rooms about 4x4.5meters big.
Should i go floorstanders or bookshelves if i mostly watch movies?

i went floorstanders because of the following reasons

1. i had the chance to get it at a very nice offer
2. i prefer listening to music without the subwoofer and the FS i got has the best review among speakers of
   the same price range for audio listening.
3. it has a very small build and footprint so it does not occupy much space in my smallish room

there is not much of a gain from my bookshelf to my floor standers when we talk about movies as i set them to 80hz anyway and most of the LFE is being carried by my subwoofer at least from my listening capabilites. if not becasue of the very good offer, i wouldnt have shifted to floor standers as the cost is double my bookshelf. i would always go for a decent bookshelf and an excellent subwoofer.

people would have different opinions about this but to me, i find no value having an excellent speaker if its not matched by an excellent subwoofer
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: lncc63 on Jun 01, 2011 at 09:23 PM
Floorstanders do not necessarily out perform bookshelves.  This is made all the more true since you have a "decent" sub.   

I suggest you go to avshop and ask them to let you listen to various fronts.  Honestly speaking, for me at least, the RTi A3s give the other floorstanders I heard that are even twice their cost close competition, very close.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: Courage on Jun 01, 2011 at 09:43 PM
Floorstanders do not necessarily out perform bookshelves.  This is made all the more true since you have a "decent" sub.   

I suggest you go to avshop and ask them to let you listen to various fronts.  Honestly speaking, for me at least, the RTi A3s give the other floorstanders I heard that are even twice their cost close competition, very close.

+1. Thats why i'm lovin my A3's everyday... Sarap pa himasin...
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: streetsmart on Jun 02, 2011 at 09:06 AM
Floorstanders do not necessarily out perform bookshelves.  This is made all the more true since you have a "decent" sub.   

I suggest you go to avshop and ask them to let you listen to various fronts.  Honestly speaking, for me at least, the RTi A3s give the other floorstanders I heard that are even twice their cost close competition, very close.

A bookshelf in combo with a good sub may actually be much better than a big floorstander. The reason is that you can optimize the location of the bookshelf for proper imaging and then optimize the location of the sub for bass. The optimal locations of each are normally very different.

In theory, this should be true for both movies and music ... but a lot of people may think otherwise.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: Questor on Jun 02, 2011 at 09:19 AM
In my case, I prefer the sound of my bookshelf speakers mated with a tube amp cabled to a TT, ipod playing lossless files and sacd player. The system image well, good for goosebump-inducing vocals. As to  HT, the slam of the THX Mordaunt Short towers with built in subs can't be touched by anything else I have.  :)
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: manerdie on Jun 02, 2011 at 12:28 PM
hi guys..i need your help...this is my current set-up
32 panny C10x2 lcd
konzert 4channel amp
bose 501 speakers
wd tv gen 1
ipod dock

i want to upgrade my audio system but i dont know whats the best set up below 15k
should i go with HTIB?  i have an average size room(10x10 or less)...what can you suggest?
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: lncc63 on Jun 02, 2011 at 07:29 PM
Even more that their "muscles" are stretch. Wow!
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: krijtin on Jun 16, 2011 at 03:02 PM
EDIT: Sorry, wrong thread!
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: quatro27 on Jul 18, 2011 at 06:18 PM
hi noob here... I just wanna asked about the LG HT805PM may binibenta kasi rito mukhang maganda siya dahil pwede siya saksak ng optical at maganda raw ang sounds. Ang problema ko lang kung ginamit toh sa games like call of duty black ops maririnig mo ba ang mga footsteps ng kalaban san nang gagaling. Anyone has use this speaker sa gaming?
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: drachx on Sep 04, 2011 at 11:17 PM

hello,

this is for videoke purpose

i have kumyoung, shure mike and planning to buy behringer mike mixer ...

next step would be ammp/speaker

ano ba alternative sa konzert amp and speakers? i need clarity/quality  of voice, ayoko nman nung masydo malakas pang indoor lang

tia
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: alvalentin12 on Jan 08, 2012 at 09:04 AM
mga sir, very noob question..can i hook up another speaker dun sa amplifier ko???it only has two speaker outlet???thanks
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: markcrenz on Jan 08, 2012 at 08:19 PM
^ no! most amps are destroyed by overloads caused by speakers in parallel.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: jlester87 on Jan 09, 2012 at 09:41 AM
hello,

this is for videoke purpose

i have kumyoung, shure mike and planning to buy behringer mike mixer ...

next step would be ammp/speaker

ano ba alternative sa konzert amp and speakers? i need clarity/quality  of voice, ayoko nman nung masydo malakas pang indoor lang

tia


Daiichi Euros 6, bagay na bagay sa videoke, lahat ng bisita namin na-iimpress sa vocal quality ng sound niyan pagdating sa videoke...

My videoke setup:
HDT 98pro(n)
HDT Mic
Onkyo TX-NR900
Euros 6 floorstanders
JBL Passive subwoofer driven by diy av-735 amp
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: rubberdickey on Jan 18, 2012 at 04:50 PM
Daiichi Euros 6, bagay na bagay sa videoke, lahat ng bisita namin na-iimpress sa vocal quality ng sound niyan pagdating sa videoke...

My videoke setup:
HDT 98pro(n)
HDT Mic
Onkyo TX-NR900
Euros 6 floorstanders
JBL Passive subwoofer driven by diy av-735 amp

Mga Sir tanong ko lang po gusto ko rin kasi mag setup ng videoke sa bahay with limited budget mga 10k ano ba yng mga dapat kung bilihin at saan puedeng bumili ng equipment maraming salamat..
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: wacksy1021 on Feb 21, 2012 at 01:38 PM
Recently upgraded my speakers from Wharfes to Polks. I already have new TSI 400 fronts and CS20 center powered by my trusty onkyo 609. In completing my 7.1 set up i have been looking at the following choices for the rears:

4 TSI 100's plus i'll just buy speaker stands (17,000 + 5000 for the stands, 22k total) or
2 TSI 100's plus 2 OMW3 (17,000 + 2500, 19,500.00 totaL) or
2 TSI 200's and 2 TSI 100's plus speaker stands (21,000 + 5000 for the stands 26k total) or
2 TSI 300 plus 2 TSI 100 plus speaker stands (16,500 + 8,500.00 + 2,5000, 27.5k total) or
2 TSI 300 plus 2 OMW3 (16,500 + 8,500.00, 25k total)

I have a dedicated HT room at around 22-24 sq.m. Iniisip ko lang kasi the amount of the bookshelves plus the stands is almost the same as the floor standers that is why I considered also another floorstander for my side surrounds. Also planning to upgrade my amp in the near future, maybe an onkyo 809....

If you had this problem which will you choose as the surrounds, budget is within all the options I just want a value for money set up and surrounds to match well with my fronts and center...

Is the upgrade to floostanders as surrounds with the small difference in price worth the extra power of the speakers and or will the bookshelves be fine just using as surrounds...

Your opinions and suggestions will be greatly appreciated...

Thanks in advance mga gurus...
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: [dcw]aaron on Feb 25, 2012 at 08:31 PM
question lang mga sir re bi wiring..is there really a difference between these two setups?

(http://www.brilliancehifi.co.uk/images/how-to-bi-wire-speakers-1.gif)

and

(http://www.brilliancehifi.co.uk/images/how-to-bi-wire-speakers-2.gif)

based on the above pics will there really be a difference or let's say an improvement if you bi-wire or just plainly using the supplied bridge/link of the speakers? di ko kasi maintindihan ang logic eh kasi on both setups iisa lang naman ang source sa ampli eh..thanks!
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: SoundProof on Apr 10, 2012 at 10:31 AM
Mga sir/s,

ask ko lang if anong magandang set up HT for a small room?  (2.5m x 2.8m) height siguro mga 10'

possible kaya po ba ito? 3.1 or 5.1 if pwede.
plan ko is kahit 40" lcd or more kung anong mas appropriate na size.

TIA
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: panzimus on Aug 28, 2012 at 09:26 PM
a total newbie sa speakers mga bossing. I just want an advice sa decent set-up, for audio listening lang. room is around 10sqm lang. wala pa talaga akong gamit (speaker, amp, player) kasi sobrang newbie lang talaga ako sa speakers. plan ko po is PC ang source. i also have a wide range of music preference (rock, jazz, house, etc.) so I'm not sure if there's a speaker that could cover all of them. pero majority naman ng music ko is rock (incubus, deftones, up dharma down, taken by cars, foo fighters, etc.). budget nga pala is 10k-15k and might push to 20k if ever. highly appreciate ko po help niyo. thanks!
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Aug 29, 2012 at 06:52 AM
a total newbie sa speakers mga bossing. I just want an advice sa decent set-up, for audio listening lang. room is around 10sqm lang. wala pa talaga akong gamit (speaker, amp, player) kasi sobrang newbie lang talaga ako sa speakers. plan ko po is PC ang source. i also have a wide range of music preference (rock, jazz, house, etc.) so I'm not sure if there's a speaker that could cover all of them. pero majority naman ng music ko is rock (incubus, deftones, up dharma down, taken by cars, foo fighters, etc.). budget nga pala is 10k-15k and might push to 20k if ever. highly appreciate ko po help niyo. thanks!

What is your preference in sound? Bright, neutral or warm?
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: panzimus on Aug 29, 2012 at 07:01 AM
just a little bit warm bossing...
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: rmgmatmat on Sep 27, 2012 at 04:20 PM

  i will upgrade my receiver from pioneer vsx-d811s to HK AVR 155....
 
  baka lang may gustong bumili nitong pioneer ko!

  salamat.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: jackdee on Oct 11, 2012 at 10:47 AM
hey guys

may i ask if the bada line conditioner model LB-3300 can plug in to 110v?
coz my system are mostly 110v.


TIA
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Oct 11, 2012 at 11:21 AM
  i will upgrade my receiver from pioneer vsx-d811s to HK AVR 155....
 
  baka lang may gustong bumili nitong pioneer ko!

  salamat.

Post ninyo sa marketplace sir.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: odyopayl on Oct 11, 2012 at 02:01 PM
question lang mga sir re bi wiring..is there really a difference between these two setups?

(http://www.brilliancehifi.co.uk/images/how-to-bi-wire-speakers-1.gif)

and

(http://www.brilliancehifi.co.uk/images/how-to-bi-wire-speakers-2.gif)

based on the above pics will there really be a difference or let's say an improvement if you bi-wire or just plainly using the supplied bridge/link of the speakers? di ko kasi maintindihan ang logic eh kasi on both setups iisa lang naman ang source sa ampli eh..thanks!
Yes, on the other set-up you need a new set of Speaker Cable. Just kidding, some speakers claimed when they use the stock shorting bar (this is the connection on the Mid and high binding post) they find the highs too bright and when they use separate speaker cable then there is an improvement.
For me, I't might be the effect of the cable that makes the highs tame. On Theory using two identical cables gives benefit on the current handling of the cable (again for the cable).
Other will use the same wire as the speaker cables in replacement of the shorting bar.
For me, I would rather do this during Bi-Amping (Separate Amp between Midbass and Tweeter) to give me the full benefit of the bi-wiring.
Again, this is just me. If you can hear the benefit of the bi-wiring in your system, then that's it!
I also made experiment on the bi-wiring when your amp has this A+B speaker selector. You can use the A for the Midbass and the B for the Highs then set the speakers to A+B settings.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: baroki on Oct 26, 2012 at 11:59 AM
ano suggestion nyo na cheap 2.1 setup maxed out na sa P25k (no idea ako)? i am looking at Pioneer VSX521 + front + sub. as tempting as used items are, gusto ko kasi isang bilihan na lang so sa bnew bagsak ko kasi galing pa ako laguna. gagamitin ko sa PS3 at movies via laptop with HDMI in a 12 sqm room. next time na ako kukuha ng center at rear. thanks!

or i go for onkyo htib @ 25k?
Title: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: lmstaana on Oct 27, 2012 at 05:06 PM
Hello Gurus!

Newbie po.

My AVR has 2 sets of speaker output. A (5ch) & B (2ch). I am using a pair bigger floorstander speakers connected to B for music. Connected to A right now are my old satellite speakers from an HTIB. Maliliit lang po sila. My HTIB btw, is the type na nakabundle pag bili ng TV.

Ang gusto ko po sana ay magamit din ang tower speakers ko for the fronts of the  5.1 output. Pede ko po ba ikabit parin yung LR ng 5.1 sa floor stander? Magiging 2 sets of wire na po ang kakabit sa bigger speaker.

I am using Onkyo SR313 and MS Carnival 6 for this setup. Yung AVR po ay my speaker switching para maging A->AB->B ang speakers. Nag aalala po ako baka may masira pag AB speakers na po ang active.

Thanks in advance for your guidance.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: ThinkGranny on Nov 30, 2012 at 02:37 AM
Sirs,

My first time to invest an av receiver and speaker.

Plan to purchase: Onkyo 818 av rvr adn Polk Audio RTi A5

I would like to know if it is compatible.

Please advise what to add like subwoofer, cables, avr.

My plans is to connect my xbox360 to Onkyo 818.

Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: Timithekid on Nov 30, 2012 at 05:31 AM
Sirs,

My first time to invest an av receiver and speaker.

Plan to purchase: Onkyo 818 av rvr adn Polk Audio RTi A5

I would like to know if it is compatible.

Please advise what to add like subwoofer, cables, avr.

My plans is to connect my xbox360 to Onkyo 818.



Onkyo's and Rti's pair really well.  If just for gaming only a sub will be necessary.  SVS has nice introductory prices for the sb1000 and the pb1000.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: justincaps on Dec 01, 2012 at 10:28 AM
Hello gurus! Newbie here. My dad and I plan to set up a home theater system in our A/V Room. It's our first time to do such set up. Our budget for the set up is 200k including the TV. We are changing our old Samsung Bordeaux 40" LCD TV with a Samsung 46" Full HD LED TV. A/V receiver would be Onkyo. Our HT set up would be for TV viewing, DVD/Blu-Ray viewing, and PS3 gaming.

I'm currently looking at Pioneer, B&W, and Bose for our speakers and subwoofer. What are your suggestions for good alternatives?
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: Timithekid on Dec 01, 2012 at 11:11 AM
Hello gurus! Newbie here. My dad and I plan to set up a home theater system in our A/V Room. It's our first time to do such set up. Our budget for the set up is 200k including the TV. We are changing our old Samsung Bordeaux 40" LCD TV with a Samsung 46" Full HD LED TV. A/V receiver would be Onkyo. Our HT set up would be for TV viewing, DVD/Blu-Ray viewing, and PS3 gaming.

I'm currently looking at Pioneer, B&W, and Bose for our speakers and subwoofer. What are your suggestions for good alternatives?

Welcome to pinoy dvd.  200k is a good budget for a full 5.1.  You mentioned 3 brands, have you auditioned them?
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Dec 01, 2012 at 06:06 PM
Hello gurus! Newbie here. My dad and I plan to set up a home theater system in our A/V Room. It's our first time to do such set up. Our budget for the set up is 200k including the TV. We are changing our old Samsung Bordeaux 40" LCD TV with a Samsung 46" Full HD LED TV. A/V receiver would be Onkyo. Our HT set up would be for TV viewing, DVD/Blu-Ray viewing, and PS3 gaming.

I'm currently looking at Pioneer, B&W, and Bose for our speakers and subwoofer. What are your suggestions for good alternatives?

Since you have your own AV room, i'd keep the 40" for TV viewing and just add a projector system. Nothing beats big screen for me especially inside a dedicated room. However, if you are very particular with the PQ, then a more expensive PJ should also be considered.

Then sunod na ang mga audio 5.1 to 9.2 system.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: justincaps on Dec 01, 2012 at 10:05 PM
Since you have your own AV room, i'd keep the 40" for TV viewing and just add a projector system. Nothing beats big screen for me especially inside a dedicated room. However, if you are very particular with the PQ, then a more expensive PJ should also be considered.

Then sunod na ang mga audio 5.1 to 9.2 system.
We are changing the TV na because we want to get the more energy efficient LED TV. Tried watching a blu-ray movie with Samsung's UA46EH5000R a few weeks before, PQ was above average. Pwede na sa amin. Siguro if we have the budget for a good PJ, then we'll buy one.

Added another brand to our list. Polk Audio. I think this is the set up we will be getting:

TV: Samsung UA46EH5000R Full HD LED
A/V Receiver: Onkyo TX-NR609
Front Loudspeakers: Polk Audio RTiA7
Rear Loudspeakers: Bowers & Wilkins CM9
Center Speaker: Polk Audio CS20
Subwoofer: Bowers & Wilkins ASW610 or Pioneer TODOROKI S-RS3SW

Any suggestions for good surround speakers?
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: Courage on Dec 01, 2012 at 10:13 PM
We are changing the TV na because we want to get the more energy efficient LED TV. Tried watching a blu-ray movie with Samsung's UA46EH5000R a few weeks before, PQ was above average. Pwede na sa amin. Siguro if we have the budget for a good PJ, then we'll buy one.

Added another brand to our list. Polk Audio. I think this is the set up we will be getting:

TV: Samsung UA46EH5000R Full HD LED
A/V Receiver: Onkyo TX-NR609
Front Loudspeakers: Polk Audio RTiA7
Rear Loudspeakers: Bowers & Wilkins CM9
Center Speaker: Polk Audio CS20
Subwoofer: Bowers & Wilkins ASW610 or Pioneer TODOROKI S-RS3SW

Any suggestions for good surround speakers?

Try polk OMW speakers... Para match sa fronts and center mo
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: justincaps on Dec 01, 2012 at 10:52 PM
Which of the 2 subwoofers I mentioned is better?
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: Timithekid on Dec 02, 2012 at 06:29 AM
We are changing the TV na because we want to get the more energy efficient LED TV. Tried watching a blu-ray movie with Samsung's UA46EH5000R a few weeks before, PQ was above average. Pwede na sa amin. Siguro if we have the budget for a good PJ, then we'll buy one.

Added another brand to our list. Polk Audio. I think this is the set up we will be getting:

TV: Samsung UA46EH5000R Full HD LED
A/V Receiver: Onkyo TX-NR609
Front Loudspeakers: Polk Audio RTiA7
Rear Loudspeakers: Bowers & Wilkins CM9
Center Speaker: Polk Audio CS20
Subwoofer: Bowers & Wilkins ASW610 or Pioneer TODOROKI S-RS3SW

Any suggestions for good surround speakers?

I would suggest the fronts and center to be timber matched, if you really like the A7, match it with an CSi A6 center.  As for the rear loudspeakers, the CM9 is actually a bigger loudspeaker and (IMHO) better than the Rti A7 so their performance would not be maximized as rear speakers, as a suggestion I would either select an Rti A1 bookshelf as your rear should you select the A7 as front or select the CM1 as a rear surround if you decide to go for the CM9 as your fronts.  if you choose the B&W route, consider listening to the CM centre 2 as your center channel for a full B&W set up.  A CM series set up though would likely go over your 200k budget.

CM9 = 128,000 SRP ==>Main Left and Right Channel
CM1 = 43,000 SRP ==> Rear Left and Right Surround
CM Centre 2 = 53,000 ==> Center Channel

these 5 speakers alone would go over 200k, and you still don't have a sub...not unless you can source the loudspeakers from another place to land cheaper prices.

As for the Rti setup, my suggestion based on your choices would be this:

Rti A7 = 49,990 ==> Main Left and Right Channel
Fxi A6 = 24,990 ==> Rear Left and Right Surround
CSi A6 = 19,990 ==> Center channel
(Rti A1 = 14,990 ==> as a surround back left and right or front wide left and right channel) ===> this is for a 7.1 set up.
Total = 109960 for a full 7.1 = Almost all audio video shops carry Rti's and since these are SRP's you will probably acquire them for 10-15% less.

then you go dual sub set up for a 7.2 ( SVS PB1000 at 26,000 @) = seek out Mike C

that will take you to a total of  161960 SRP.

You can spend the rest on a very good Audio Video Receiver, since you are looking at an Onkyo, purchase one that has enough power in it to drive the Rti set up to a maximum, look for an Onkyo 1009 or 3008 (both are priced at 50,000). = seek out Ernest (handle is elim)

Your new total will take you to 211,960.  with the discounts you will get you will more or less spend 190,764.  you can spend the rest of the money for speaker cables, bannana plugs, stands or mounts  And just stretch your budget to grab a new TV or drop the 7.2 and go 5.1 so that you are still within the 200k.  Going a projector route is a totally different discussion altogether and doing so will mean some changes to this approach.

Obviously since the pure B&W set up will force you to go over budget, I would not suggest it.  The Rti route though is very affordable and already presents a full 7.2 or 7.1.

I hope you have listened to the brands your mentioned because the two brands discussed have a different sound behavior (Rti = bright, CM = Neutral to Warm).

Enjoy your journey and I hope I was able help.

 
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: ♡ lvcdg23™ ✌ on Dec 02, 2012 at 07:36 AM
Hello gurus! Newbie here. My dad and I plan to set up a home theater system in our A/V Room. It's our first time to do such set up. Our budget for the set up is 200k including the TV. We are changing our old Samsung Bordeaux 40" LCD TV with a Samsung 46" Full HD LED TV. A/V receiver would be Onkyo. Our HT set up would be for TV viewing, DVD/Blu-Ray viewing, and PS3 gaming.

I'm currently looking at Pioneer, B&W, and Bose for our speakers and subwoofer. What are your suggestions for good alternatives?

Bro I suggest getting a slightly bigger display. A 46" TV upgrade from 40" doesn't really have a significant difference. Try considering 50-55" display...

As for the speakers try looking into these brands aside from B&W and Polk:

1. Infinity Primus
2. Goldenear 3D Array + Supersat 3
3. Aaudio Genesis Line - gawang Pinoy at dekalidad ;)
4. Paradigm Monitor series
5. PSB Alpha series

As for the subwoofer audition mo SVS PB1000 and SB1000...

I think your 200K would be ok for a 5.1 set up. Or you could settle first with a 3.1 set up and get a better AV-Receiver, front left, right and center speaker then save a little for the matched surrounds.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: justincaps on Dec 02, 2012 at 10:48 AM
Bro I suggest getting a slightly bigger display. A 46" TV upgrade from 40" doesn't really have a significant difference. Try considering 50-55" display...

As for the speakers try looking into these brands aside from B&W and Polk:

1. Infinity Primus
2. Goldenear 3D Array + Supersat 3
3. Aaudio Genesis Line - gawang Pinoy at dekalidad ;)
4. Paradigm Monitor series
5. PSB Alpha series

As for the subwoofer audition mo SVS PB1000 and SB1000...

I think your 200K would be ok for a 5.1 set up. Or you could settle first with a 3.1 set up and get a better AV-Receiver, front left, right and center speaker then save a little for the matched surrounds.
Can't go the 55" route because of the TV cabinet that my mom bought and installed at the A/V Room. It can't fit TVs that are larger than 46"s
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: bportanez on Dec 07, 2012 at 08:38 PM
Hi Guys,

Sorry for the very noob question. I'm not familiar on how an AV reciever is integrated in an HTPC setup that uses HDMI.

I have a 32" Samsung (LA32D550) that is connected to an HTPC via HDMI. Will this be the setup if an AV reciever that supports 5.1 setup is included?

1. HTPC -> A/V Reciever -> TV  (all connections via HDMI)
2. HTPC -(HDMI)-> TV -(dts 2.0+Digital Out)-> A/V Reciever


Thanks for the response!
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: Timithekid on Dec 07, 2012 at 08:42 PM
#1
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: bportanez on Dec 07, 2012 at 08:55 PM
@Timithekid

Thanks sa response. Wil the video signal just pass through the receiver then go to the TV, or is there a technology in the receiver that limits the type of video quality that can pass through it (1080, 720, etc)?
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: Timithekid on Dec 08, 2012 at 07:35 AM
@Timithekid

Thanks sa response. Wil the video signal just pass through the receiver then go to the TV, or is there a technology in the receiver that limits the type of video quality that can pass through it (1080, 720, etc)?

Most if not all receivers are 1080p.  Some entry level receivers are even 3d capable so its not really limiting.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: hls on Jan 14, 2013 at 02:57 PM
Hi Guys,
Newbie question:
which is better connection? thru optical/coaxial or thru rca (ic's) ic's rin ba ang optical/coaxial? ;D
from nmt/cdp to amplifier...for audio (music) only
Thank you guys...
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: drew6376 on Feb 04, 2013 at 02:13 PM
Hi Guys, im very new here obviously.

Pls, need help on setting up a basic HT. i was planning to buy an htib for my new LED as an upgrade to my basic dvd w/no HD capablities, but decided to purchase a BR player instead and later a pair of bookshelves spkrs and a center speaker. i dont have a sub and surround yet but my next step would be to purchase an av reciever. now i didnt have the slightest idea it would be this hard and expensive to set up an HT via a reciever, if i knew i would have simply settle w/ any HTIB. so now my question is do i really need an AV reciever to have a 5.1 setup for my blue ray that only has an hdmi and a set of RCA  out or is there an alternate way to have a cheaper ampli for a 5.1 set up to connect to my BR player that again is connected to my LED via hdmi??? Thanks in advance!!
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: Timithekid on Feb 04, 2013 at 02:32 PM
Hi Guys, im very new here obviously.

Pls, need help on setting up a basic HT. i was planning to buy an htib for my new LED as an upgrade to my basic dvd w/no HD capablities, but decided to purchase a BR player instead and later a pair of bookshelves spkrs and a center speaker. i dont have a sub and surround yet but my next step would be to purchase an av reciever. now i didnt have the slightest idea it would be this hard and expensive to set up an HT via a reciever, if i knew i would have simply settle w/ any HTIB. so now my question is do i really need an AV reciever to have a 5.1 setup for my blue ray that only has an hdmi and a set of RCA  out or is there an alternate way to have a cheaper ampli for a 5.1 set up to connect to my BR player that again is connected to my LED via hdmi??? Thanks in advance!!

what is your budget for a receiver?  your set up does not need to be 5.1 in an instant, start with a 2.1 (Left,Right and a sub) then slowly build.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: drew6376 on Feb 05, 2013 at 05:09 AM
what is your budget for a receiver?  your set up does not need to be 5.1 in an instant, start with a 2.1 (Left,Right and a sub) then slowly build.

Thanks for the reply! Besides a simple htib, i also considered buying an an active studio monitors at first since i really dont have any knowledge about amps. But i decided to buy a blue ray first then i bought a pair of 100w speakers a couple of weeks ago thinking it was cheaper. i was only planning to hook it up later to an active sub  w/c i thought was possible. then i found out after reading tons of info online that i might still end up needing an amplifier or an av reciever for my set up w/c really wasnt part of my budget in the first place. Now, I guess i really dont have much of a choice but to stretch my budget, although i dont think i can afford to spend more than 10k right now just for an avr alone. Any suggestions pls??? thanks!   
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: Timithekid on Feb 05, 2013 at 08:06 AM
Thanks for the reply! Besides a simple htib, i also considered buying an an active studio monitors at first since i really dont have any knowledge about amps. But i decided to buy a blue ray first then i bought a pair of 100w speakers a couple of weeks ago thinking it was cheaper. i was only planning to hook it up later to an active sub  w/c i thought was possible. then i found out after reading tons of info online that i might still end up needing an amplifier or an av reciever for my set up w/c really wasnt part of my budget in the first place. Now, I guess i really dont have much of a choice but to stretch my budget, although i dont think i can afford to spend more than 10k right now just for an avr alone. Any suggestions pls??? thanks!   

With that budget what you can afford(to my knowledge) is a pioneer 521(8k) or a 2nd hand receiver.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: grohl on Mar 13, 2013 at 02:50 PM
hi mga sir, good match po ba ang marantz PM5004 amplifier sa polk Rti A1 speakers?  i was thinking of getting the yamaha A-S500 pero wala na stock , the marantz is the only other option na available na kaya ng budget ko. dito po ako sa riyadh, saudi naka base and wala masyado audio stores dito.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: R0N on Mar 14, 2013 at 04:08 PM
Post ko na lang pala dito,

Guys just wanna ask, pwede naman siguro ako mag pa assist sa Sight and Sound sa pag pili ng Sound System ko (kung anong magandang Speaker, Amplifier, Sub woofer etc.) right?

Balak ko kasi mag set up ng sarili ko na home theater, pero gagawin ko bibilin ko unti unti.

Good for small room lang sana ang gusto ko, hindi ko po kailangan malakas ang sounds, basta "PANALO" yung sounds okay sakin. hehe  ^-^

Thanks guys in advance, your reply is highly appreciated.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: mbtorn on Mar 14, 2013 at 05:11 PM
Post ko na lang pala dito,

Guys just wanna ask, pwede naman siguro ako mag pa assist sa Sight and Sound sa pag pili ng Sound System ko (kung anong magandang Speaker, Amplifier, Sub woofer etc.) right?

Balak ko kasi mag set up ng sarili ko na home theater, pero gagawin ko bibilin ko unti unti.

Good for small room lang sana ang gusto ko, hindi ko po kailangan malakas ang sounds, basta "PANALO" yung sounds okay sakin. hehe  ^-^

Thanks guys in advance, your reply is highly appreciated.

For me, my own personal preference will dictate the system i am going to build. From this, i will first do a lot of research and then i will list all the gears i think will fit my requirements. Then, i will do the most important part of my system build-up, i will personally audition each of the gears i am interested in. This will validate the results of my research and i will not stop auditioning gears until i am satisfied with them. I know this will take a lot of my time but i will learn a lot during the process. I can listen to the advice of those sales people in the dealership but i will not take their advice as the gospel truth, i will still be the one will make the decision which gears to buy. Of course, i have to accept certain constraints like how much money am i willing to spend (or my budget), will these gears match my room, etc. When i am now ready to take the plunge in this hobby, then i am pretty sure i have done my best and i am buying what i want and what i need. :)

   
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: R0N on Mar 15, 2013 at 11:26 AM
^
Well noted and thanks for the sharing.
I might as well try that, ask for their suggestion and will audition it one by one :)

But for the brand, for you what is the recommended for each parts? (i.e. Jamo Speakers, Pioneer for the amplifier etc.)
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: Timithekid on Mar 15, 2013 at 05:52 PM
^
Well noted and thanks for the sharing.
I might as well try that, ask for their suggestion and will audition it one by one :)

But for the brand, for you what is the recommended for each parts? (i.e. Jamo Speakers, Pioneer for the amplifier etc.)

Audition parin ng sagot dyan sir kasi may receiver speaker matching.  Some speakers behave differently when used with particular brands.  To get you started, yamaha+wharf maganda ang pairing, pioneer+wharf maganda din.  Onkyo + polk ok din ang pairing.  Marantz + b&w is also very good.  Kailangan talaga sir mapakinggan mo kasi its your taste that needs to be satisfied.  I've tried a pioneer + klipsch and found it medyo matinis(bright) but to my brother it was just right so that should serve as an example na personal preference counts a lot.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: R0N on Mar 16, 2013 at 10:46 AM
^
Well noted, So ang tamang pag set up ganto ba?

1.) Speaker
2.) Receiver
3.) Subwoofer
4.) Amplifier

I'm only familiar with Speaker (Meron kasi sa bahay Jamo ang tatak nung speaker, tapos nakakabit sya sa Pioneer, hindi ko alam kung ano yun basta yung Pioneer meron volume, pwede eh adjust yung volume kung surround, etc.) pero sa mga receiver, subwoofer, amplifier hindi ko sure kung ano itsura at para saan.

I'll try, tama ba?
Yamaha (Receiver) + Wharf (Speaker)
Onkyo (Receiver) + polk (Speaker)
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: markcrenz on Oct 22, 2013 at 03:31 PM
You're lucky your receiver's not yet fried. Don't parallel the subs with the speakers!!! Aside from potential damage to your receiver, you'll get very boomy bass around the 100-200hz area. Get a separate amp for your subs, a mono amp that can handle half the impedance of your sub or a high power stereo amp. Definitely safer and better.

I'm almost sure hindi pareho ang sensitivity ng centers mo so connecting them together (in series, not parallel) will not produce equal sound from each speaker. Pwede mo rin subukan but I suggest putting one sideways on each side of the tv. Much better of course if you use just one center speaker, baka ubra naman ipatong sa tv kung walang space sa baba, just use blutack para kumapit.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: remington on Oct 22, 2013 at 03:40 PM
sumisigaw na ng "HELP" yung reciever  ^-^
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: drew6376 on Oct 22, 2013 at 10:29 PM
Salamat mga sir sa quick response! so mali pala ung pinagawa sakin nun binilan ko ng subs. tsk. anyway im not sure about sa pagpatong ng center sa tv kasi manipis un tv laki nun center hehe di tlga ubra.. follow up question po kung pede.. how do i use the zone 2 feature sa receiver? kylngn ba tlga ng another amp or pwede din ba un mga powered na monitor speakers na maliit lang? thanks
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: drew6376 on Oct 23, 2013 at 02:52 AM
eto pla un specs ng pio vsx519 : Surround Power   110 x 5 ; 5 channels; 1 kHz w/ 0.05% THD @ 8 ohm. it has 2-Zone Audio w/c i havent tried yet. so ami i overloading my receiver?  also im connecting my bluray player via hmdi to receiver and hdmi to led tv. is better to use optical for audio? hope someone responds. thanks in advance
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: remington on Oct 23, 2013 at 09:28 AM
hindi mo ipapatong sa LED tv mo sir kailangan lagyan mo ng bracket na pagpapatungan para mailagay mo sa ibabaw ng tv. Kung mataas tilt mo ng konti pababa or else pwede din bili ka ng dedicated stand for your center speaker. ^-^
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: drew6376 on Oct 23, 2013 at 11:46 AM
hindi mo ipapatong sa LED tv mo sir kailangan lagyan mo ng bracket na pagpapatungan para mailagay mo sa ibabaw ng tv. Kung mataas tilt mo ng konti pababa or else pwede din bili ka ng dedicated stand for your center speaker. ^-^

haha sorry di ko nagets.. thanks sir for the advice! ill think about it
Title: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: royc on Nov 27, 2013 at 11:03 AM
I'm planning to build an entertainment stand and would like the amp and speakers placed side by side. I am limited to a 1.2 meter length for the 3. Height is 0.5 meters from the floor. Will this affect imaging and sound stage? Any fixes? TV will be above the amp. TIA!
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: markcrenz on Nov 27, 2013 at 11:11 AM
speakers would be too close, fine for a desktop setup but would tend to sound more "mono" as you listen farther.
Title: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: royc on Nov 28, 2013 at 06:22 AM
speakers would be too close, fine for a desktop setup but would tend to sound more "mono" as you listen farther.

Listener would be 2-3 meters away. Will it still sound mono? Setup will be between 2 doors so space is limited.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: markcrenz on Nov 28, 2013 at 10:38 AM
better if you can simulate your planned setup using your existing gears
Title: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: royc on Nov 29, 2013 at 06:52 AM

better if you can simulate your planned setup using your existing gears

Thanks, will check if I can improvise a similar setup for testing.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: russman on Feb 15, 2014 at 02:31 PM
question mga idol, noob pagdating sa HT. I bought:

Pioneer VSX 523 K
Polk Audio PSW 110
Polk Audio TSI 100

Hindi ko alam kung maayos yung combination ko, kasi di ko inaudition, pero parang bitin yung fronts ko, so Im planning to add another bookshelf for fronts? Any advise naman po sana. Thanks
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: disturbed on Feb 17, 2014 at 10:42 AM
question mga idol, noob pagdating sa HT. I bought:

Pioneer VSX 523 K
Polk Audio PSW 110
Polk Audio TSI 100

Hindi ko alam kung maayos yung combination ko, kasi di ko inaudition, pero parang bitin yung fronts ko, so Im planning to add another bookshelf for fronts? Any advise naman po sana. Thanks

gano kalaki listening area sir? I suggest you change them to floorstanding then use the bookshelf (tsi 100) as surrounds..
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: faithyap18 on Feb 20, 2014 at 06:43 PM
Hi! I'm a newbie... I just want to ask how can I purchase items from this site? I can't find the marketplace? :-[
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: sovrain on Feb 20, 2014 at 08:53 PM
^nasa may central, he he he, joke.....pindot lang sa forum, yun na :)
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: -mhan- on Feb 21, 2014 at 09:25 AM
ok rin ba ang BS na gamiting surround? or mas ok parin yung pang surround speaker talaga? wharfedale sana kunin ko kasi mura lang, pansamantala lang sana, habang nagiipon ng FS ng Dali para yung fron ko gawing ko surround in the future. ^-^

i have DALI fronts and center and Denon Reciever.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Feb 21, 2014 at 07:10 PM
ok rin ba ang BS na gamiting surround? or mas ok parin yung pang surround speaker talaga? wharfedale sana kunin ko kasi mura lang, pansamantala lang sana, habang nagiipon ng FS ng Dali para yung fron ko gawing ko surround in the future. ^-^

i have DALI fronts and center and Denon Reciever.

Mas ok pa rin ang BS compared to surround speaker na smaller. But if your talking bipole/dipole configuration sa surrounds, ibang usapan naman. matter of preference sa effect. One has the effect of being in the middle of the surround scene while the other will place you at the back. In your case, i'd get the same speaker as your fronts.
But if you ask me, kung kaya ng budget and room, i'd go for a big BS or small FS speaker with the presumption na ganun din ang fronts and center mo.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: tonedeaf on Feb 21, 2014 at 10:43 PM
I've got a subwoofer question.

Recently got a Denon 1713 and did the Audyssey set up. Based on the instructions, I had to lower the volume to less than 50% because I was getting -12dB. After finally getting an acceptable level, what do I do next - do I turn the volume back up to 50%? Or will it be controlled by the sound level I set for the receiver?
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Feb 22, 2014 at 12:16 AM
I've got a subwoofer question.

Recently got a Denon 1713 and did the Audyssey set up. Based on the instructions, I had to lower the volume to less than 50% because I was getting -12dB. After finally getting an acceptable level, what do I do next - do I turn the volume back up to 50%? Or will it be controlled by the sound level I set for the receiver?

After running Audyssey, yes you can turn the volume up to suit your preference.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: markcrenz on Feb 22, 2014 at 12:02 PM
I've got a subwoofer question.

Recently got a Denon 1713 and did the Audyssey set up. Based on the instructions, I had to lower the volume to less than 50% because I was getting -12dB. After finally getting an acceptable level, what do I do next - do I turn the volume back up to 50%? Or will it be controlled by the sound level I set for the receiver?
You mentioned acceptable level, I suggest you leave it as is for a few hours of use to get a "feel" the Audyssey calibration. If you still think that the sub level is too low you can increase it by a few dB via the receiver. Easy lang sa pag-adjust ng gain, baka 'di makaya ng sub mo. Best not to change the gain on the sub itself if Audyssey had already set the sub level to within +/- 3dB.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: tonedeaf on Feb 22, 2014 at 08:39 PM
^my sub level is actually -9.5. I was trying to tweak the volume to get to the +/-3dB range, but if my sub is at -3 (at only about 40% volume), parang masyado na siyang malakas. but i'll try Audyssey again one of these days, and check the new results. all my other speakers are in the -5dB to -7dB range, except for the sub.

Another question, this time on speakers:

I seem some floorstanders which are described as two-way or three-way. is "more" necessarily better?
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: panzimus on Mar 03, 2014 at 11:26 PM
Gurus, I just recently purchased a subwoofer for my HT. I'm finally now at 2.1 set-up (Yey!) after more than a year on just 2.0 previously. Tumagal din naman ako on that set-up kasi for me ok pa naman na walang sub. And syempre antay antay talaga sa MP for a great deal on subs. Now my question is, would adding a center speaker improve the HT considerably? as of now kasi di pa ko pede sa surrounds, no space pa talaga. So, should I go for the 3.1 (tama ba?) or just leave it sa 2.1 muna?
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: tonedeaf on Mar 03, 2014 at 11:34 PM
^for HT, definitely!
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: panzimus on Mar 04, 2014 at 01:19 AM
thanks sir tonedeaf! will look and wait for center speakers now in MP that will match my set up.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: synchro_01 on Mar 04, 2014 at 01:28 AM
Gurus, I just recently purchased a subwoofer for my HT. I'm finally now at 2.1 set-up (Yey!) after more than a year on just 2.0 previously. Tumagal din naman ako on that set-up kasi for me ok pa naman na walang sub. And syempre antay antay talaga sa MP for a great deal on subs. Now my question is, would adding a center speaker improve the HT considerably? as of now kasi di pa ko pede sa surrounds, no space pa talaga. So, should I go for the 3.1 (tama ba?) or just leave it sa 2.1 muna?

Let's just say that adding a center will make your sound field a solid 180degrees spread. Going full bore with surrounds is getting the full 360 degree treatment.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: markcrenz on Mar 04, 2014 at 09:08 AM
Now my question is, would adding a center speaker improve the HT considerably?
dapat voice matched ang center sa fronts for the improvement to be considerable. IF you can get a good center image from just your fronts AND you have a narrow listening area you can do away without a center. in my experience pangit pa ang overall sound pag di match ang center sa fronts.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: panzimus on Mar 04, 2014 at 07:05 PM
thanks sir synchro and sir markcrenz.

napaisip tuloy ako ulit sa surrounds. hahahahaha! and yes, hahanap ako ng kamatch ng fronts ko for the center.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: disturbed on Mar 04, 2014 at 07:08 PM
^ you can get the polk audio OWM3 sa MP..I used those as surrounds..I mounted them sa wall since wala din ako space sa room..I put them on a wall using a mount that can pivot up/down side..
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: panzimus on Mar 04, 2014 at 07:34 PM
^thanks sir disturbed, will check it out.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: BongerDude on Mar 10, 2014 at 02:38 PM
Question:

My Cayin A55TP has outputs for 8ohm speakers and 4ohm speakers.

6 ohms ang speakers ko na ikakabit.  San ko sya ilalagay?  The previous owner told me sa 4ohms ko ikabit.  Bakit sa 4ohms and not sa 8ohms?

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: markcrenz on Mar 10, 2014 at 05:51 PM
Question:

My Cayin A55TP has outputs for 8ohm speakers and 4ohm speakers.

6 ohms ang speakers ko na ikakabit.  San ko sya ilalagay?  The previous owner told me sa 4ohms ko ikabit. Bakit sa 4ohms and not sa 8ohms?

Thanks in advance!
Even the owner's manual will tell you so. You may burn your amp with too much current when playing at high output levels if you connect your 6 ohm speakers to the 8 ohm tap.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: airomjosh on Mar 26, 2014 at 08:07 PM
Hello mga brader, I'm interested on setting up an HT but I have no idea on  how much would it cost to build a decent HT set up? A shop here in China offered me this set-up for 60k pesos.

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l638/powerdeals26/41bbbb0a-6f1c-48e4-8016-29f09838bfd0_zpsbf595139.jpg)

is this set up a good start? is the price a good buy? if ever i bite the offer, what else do i need to complete the set-up? TIA
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: mbtorn on Mar 26, 2014 at 08:46 PM
Hello mga brader, I'm interested on setting up an HT but I have no idea on  how much would it cost to build a decent HT set up? A shop here in China offered me this set-up for 60k pesos.

(http://i1127.photobucket.com/albums/l638/powerdeals26/41bbbb0a-6f1c-48e4-8016-29f09838bfd0_zpsbf595139.jpg)

is this set up a good start? is the price a good buy? if ever i bite the offer, what else do i need to complete the set-up? TIA

This a good HT starter set up for 60K. You will just need a media player (nmt) or a universal bd player and you're good to go.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: airomjosh on Mar 26, 2014 at 09:31 PM
@mbtorn

thanks for the quick reply bro.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: lifebringer on Jul 01, 2014 at 01:19 AM
Hi guys, I'm just a newbie and going to setup my ht for the first time and going to buy the fronts first due to a limited budget. I would like to ask for your help what speakers are better wharfedale 10.7 or dali zensor 7? What avr should match them that has a bluetooth bec. I would like to play the music through my smartphone. The speakers will be used 60% for music and 40% for movies. I really love to listen to music with clarity and detail. My budget is 18k to 30k for the speakers and 20-25k for the avr. Would you also please let me know where I can find any dealers for dali and wharfs? And if it is not too much to ask, would you also please let me know any Manila dealer that you know who can provide the best price? Thank you very much in advance for your help! Looking forward to hear from you! God bless!
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: Timithekid on Jul 01, 2014 at 03:12 AM
Hi guys, I'm just a newbie and going to setup my ht for the first time and going to buy the fronts first due to a limited budget. I would like to ask for your help what speakers are better wharfedale 10.7 or dali zensor 7? What avr should match them that has a bluetooth bec. I would like to play the music through my smartphone. The speakers will be used 60% for music and 40% for movies. I really love to listen to music with clarity and detail. My budget is 18k to 30k for the speakers and 20-25k for the avr. Would you also please let me know where I can find any dealers for dali and wharfs? And if it is not too much to ask, would you also please let me know any Manila dealer that you know who can provide the best price? Thank you very much in advance for your help! Looking forward to hear from you! God bless!

Cant comment much on the Dali's because I've never heard a pair before but for the 10.7's and your mentioned 60-40 use, then I would say its good for your purpose, assuming of course that your audio preference is 2.0 and not 2.1. 

There is a thread here that discusses receiver-speaker matching, look for that na lang.  Ang topic starter is Barrister.  But to get you started, a pioneer-wharfedale combo is an excellent match.  I used to own a combo before I switched and I will still highly recommend it to anyone.  Just make sure that you audition the 10.7's and find it to your liking.

Most of the new receivers will allow you to use your smartphone to play music so I dont think that will be a problem when choosing a receiver.

As for you dealer question, wharfs are carried by a lot of stores so just find which one is near you and pay them a visit.  If from the south(alabang, paranaque, las piñas area) there is hifi lounge in festival mall.  If you are in makati there is Watts Hifi in makati cinema square.  if you are further north there is listening room and listening in style found in megamall and then there is Sights and Sounds in Shangrila mall.  There are a lot more dealers as you go further north to the QC area and a lot of them can be seen  posting their stuff at the marketplace so I would suggest you visit the MP first before going anywhere else.  Prices are competitive so you will probably get the same quote from the dealers.  (give or take a few hundred to maybe as much as a thousand)
Title: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: royc on Jul 01, 2014 at 09:41 AM
Meron ding wharfs sa glorietta
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: lifebringer on Jul 01, 2014 at 05:46 PM
Thank you so much sir Timithekid and royc!
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: psyche.!ns!de on Jul 06, 2014 at 07:05 PM
Hello mga sir, I would like to know if my set-up will work:
An electret ultrasound microphone (48V phantom) >> 48V phantom power supply >> XLR 3 cable(6.35mm jack) >>USB to 6.35mm adpater >> computer.
We will use it for our project in our school. Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: Nelson de Leon on Jul 06, 2014 at 08:21 PM
Hello mga sir, I would like to know if my set-up will work:
An electret ultrasound microphone (48V phantom) >> 48V phantom power supply >> XLR 3 cable(6.35mm jack) >>USB to 6.35mm adpater >> computer.
We will use it for our project in our school. Thanks in advance!

For recording or for amplification?
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: psyche.!ns!de on Jul 06, 2014 at 09:11 PM
For recording or for amplification?

For recording po
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: johndrueco on Apr 23, 2015 at 09:14 AM
good day sir's. I know that this has been brought out before but I having hard time finding it. question is: how to connect my preamplifier to my power amplifier. thanks in advance
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: Courage on Apr 23, 2015 at 09:35 AM
good day sir's. I know that this has been brought out before but I having hard time finding it. question is: how to connect my preamplifier to my power amplifier. thanks in advance

Your pre-amp should have a pre-out. Use rca cable connect your pre-amp pre-out to rca ins of your amp.
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: johndrueco on Apr 23, 2015 at 12:11 PM
ty sir courage. how about setting of the selector both for preamplifier and the power amplifier? thanks again
Title: Re: Newbie and Not-so Noob Thread: Questions (FAQ) on Setting up
Post by: psi on Jun 20, 2016 at 10:59 AM
Hi! Is it adviceable to change my receiver's spring clip to binding post? If so, where can i buy quality binding post? Tnx