Are the current models still made in UK?
China-made na rin. Drivers are still made in UK. Like Wharfedales. I think some models of B&W uises drivers made in CHina but assembed in the UK. DOn't know which is better. Drivers made in CHina or just assembled in CHina.
Very soon, everything will be made in China!!!!
di ba talaga maganda ang sound ng new models? the relatively low price is very tempting...
i checked their site and the more expensive 500 thx series seems to have received either BEST BUY or RECOMMEDED from major British magazines. the budget model 900 series uses the same aluminum drivers.
i think i read somewhere in another thread about the kenwood receivers not being a good match bcoz when they brought in a rotel amp, the mordaunts started to sing.
can owners comment on mordaunt compared to other brands/models? i'm seriously considering this bcoz of the price.
di ba talaga maganda ang sound ng new models? the relatively low price is very tempting...
i checked their site and the more expensive 500 thx series seems to have received either BEST BUY or RECOMMEDED from major British magazines. the budget model 900 series uses the same aluminum drivers.
i think i read somewhere in another thread about the kenwood receivers not being a good match bcoz when they brought in a rotel amp, the mordaunts started to sing.
can owners comment on mordaunt compared to other brands/models? i'm seriously considering this bcoz of the price.
Tanong ko lang po guys,
I'm planning to buy a sub and what I have in mind is eiter the 308w sub, yun may pic na naka-post or 970w. Medyo limited budget ko at ito ang nakita ko na medyo ok sa price range na kaya ko.
Which do you think would be better for both movie and audio? My receiver is a HK btw.
av_phile, thanks for the info.. i spoke to ronald of 5th ave in megamall and he said they don't have the 500 series anymore, and have no further plans carrying it. too expensive i guess at 48k. they do have the 908 which is the same as the 502 without the built-in amp. at 30k its "cheap" compared to a mission m52, but its still way above my budget. speaking of the 902, now thats a better priced speaker. i guess im doomed to own bookshelves forever. i wonder how much is that brines-fostex pre-built?
Akyatbundok,
The Mission M73 is less than 15T.
ive done further research and it turns out the ms-904, ms-908 and the mission m73i are all within my budget. ill probably audition all of them. the flagship 908 is feasible bcoz with its 10" passive (sub)woofers, i can sell my mirage sub so i spend "only" 16k. if i get the 904 and keep the sub, i will spend 10k. the real price difference is actually 13k but for me its going to be 6k.
I will get my MS 912 when they got stock. According to Wilson (5th Ave. MEGA MALL), stocks available September, 2nd Week.
According to my MS 902 Manual, Bass is optimized when placed 10-25cm from the wall. Therefore, its not true that MS 902 is thin-sounding. Positioning is critical.
Akyatbundok,
You can probably consider using less expensive speakers for surrounds like the wharfdale diamond 8.1s.
...i think it's much more expensive than a few thousands above the MS907W.
it should do good in ht..the question is if its fast enough for music since its a 12 incher :)
MS Fanatics,
MS 912 is now available at 5th Ave. MEGA MALL. I already got mine today. I-break in ko pa. Hopefully totally broken in by Sept 20 in time for the listening session with akyat and Narayan.
5th avenue also has this new MS Sub. MS909. Looks the same as 907 but bigger.
Cheers.
tama ka dyan, i remeber when we were about to give partial payment para mauwi yung 902 at saka 308 sub kasi wala pa yung ms912 ni nels, ibibigay lang nila kami ng 10% discount. so wat we did, binayaran namin ng buo para maavail yung 20 + add'l. 5% off, inuwi yung both center, rear and sub tapos hinintay na lang dumating yung 912.
the marketing literature talks about having a "digital" amplifier inside. i didn't see any digital inputs in the user manual; maybe they were referring to something else?
akyat,
void na warranty mo niyan.
binuksan mo na eh. ;D
ako naman binuksan ko 9060D ko about 2 months ago. I found out that there are 12 transistors inside. pano 'yon? eh 6.1 lang receiver ko.
anyone can explain? (medyo ot nga lang)
btw guys, i opened up my MS902 bookshelf last night coz i was curious about what they mean by "minimalist" crossover network. i read kasi that nels76's MS912 and av_phile's MS914 have an improved crossover (picture posted in the previous page). looks like it means 1st-order crossover network. there are probably 3 parts only, but they are quality parts like in the picture.
So what did you discover in opening your ms902?
as expected, a 1st order crossover network. i got curious lang... walang magawa i guess. i read somewhere that an aluminum cone is a very good material because of its rigidity, but at a certain frequency limit it rings like a bell, which is why it is best to employ a higher order rolloff going into that frequency limit. connecting the dots, i would guess thats why the 91x series with its larger cone has an upgraded crossover network. funny but i've never experienced that kind of resonance, so i guess the "minimalist" design is ok.
The 914 uses a steeper 2nd order crossover and i think it has 2 crossover points as evidenced by the difference in the capacitor ratings and coil sizes in the picture you posted. (They should be identical if there's only 1 crossover point in a 2-way speaker.)
av_phile,
pre, kamusta ang performance nung 914 mo? heard them for a while and mukhang ok naman. medyo tipo ko should i decide to get a pair for my audio set-up. tnx :D
Tama. 12 power transistors, 2 in push-pull mode per channel, Wala namang power required for the .1 as it needs a powered sub.
narayan, kelan mo balak? baka kung may free time ako makikirinig na rin ako kung pwede. mukhang seryosohan na yan sir!
Is it good and compatible to use MS908 to kenwood 9060d receiver? di ba sya mahihirapan?
Is it good and compatible to use MS908 to kenwood 9060d receiver? di ba sya mahihirapan?
To AKYAT pre panalo talaga yung set up kaya lang pre ingat ka baka maging home boy ka nyan mapabayaan mo mga chika bebeng(joke lang bro)
I noticed in 5th ave.'s listening room, they dont optimize the setup. For instance, they use a budget dvd player & receiver, and they use very long & thin speaker wires that run across the room. Sa iba kasi all-out ang demo, naka separates pa minsan, with the best sub in the lineup. At least people wont have unrealistic expectations. This may also be the reason hindi popular itong brand na 'to sa atin. The good news is that bcoz of this, they're selling it at a great price compared to other countries. And when it starts to sing in your own setup, you'll be pleasantly surprised that its better than you thought.
nasa,
broken in na ba MS Speakers mo?
I am planning to bring my MS 912 to james16 place to compare side by side with his B2.
Update niyo naman kami para madinig din namin MS niyo. I am curious lalo sa setup ni Akyat - ALL MS.
hans adriane, sama ka samin pag punta sa apartment ko.. dun lang ako sa ortigas pre. wala pa sked pero hopefully sa weekend para pwede mag ingay.
okidok sebman, tayo na sa aking boom boom room... kaso mga sir MS lang nandun sa akin ha. sana may makapagdala ng MA. saka syempre, dapat walang talo/panalo para lahat tayo masaya hehehe.
sina kaibigang nels76 at james16 yata ang may balak magsagawa ng friendly comparo.
okidok sebman, tayo na sa aking boom boom room... kaso mga sir MS lang nandun sa akin ha. sana may makapagdala ng MA. saka syempre, dapat walang talo/panalo para lahat tayo masaya hehehe.
sina kaibigang nels76 at james16 yata ang may balak magsagawa ng friendly comparo.
akyat,
sama ko jan ha.
By the way, baka sa place ko na gawin iyong B2 - 912 friendly comparison.
Anatayin lang matapos iyong place.
Wala na HT ko. hu hu hu. :-[ nakaligpit na.
Guys, do you knew if MS would match a yamaha receiver?
Akyat, seen the ref type NS-1000 at the pier nung naghahanap ako ng ampli dun, they really huge pero okay yung sound, they quoted me lowest is 3K for the speaker, pero di yun ang pakay ko that time, sayang nga yun it's a best buy if it cost 80Kyen, sino kaya naka acquire nun.
Another good news for you guys, my friend says he's availing his 25% employee discount on speakers if I'll gonna purchase from their store (SM Fairview), they are selling MS speakers there. If MS is a good match for my Yammy I might consider purchasing their floorstanders, You guys can ride along your purchase of MS speakers with 25% discounts. I'll clarify the prices and details with my friend.
Cheers,
-LtCool-
Guys, do you knew if MS would match a yamaha receiver?
Akyat, seen the ref type NS-1000 at the pier nung naghahanap ako ng ampli dun, they really huge pero okay yung sound, they quoted me lowest is 3K for the speaker, pero di yun ang pakay ko that time, sayang nga yun it's a best buy if it cost 80Kyen, sino kaya naka acquire nun.
Another good news for you guys, my friend says he's availing his 25% employee discount on speakers if I'll gonna purchase from their store (SM Fairview), they are selling MS speakers there. If MS is a good match for my Yammy I might consider purchasing their floorstanders, You guys can ride along your purchase of MS speakers with 25% discounts. I'll clarify the prices and details with my friend.
Cheers,
-LtCool-
nakupo... di pa ako maka-decide!! hehe... bibili na ba kayo? andyan ang MA, andyan ang MS, andyan ang pier. haaaaay...
finally I completed my HT set up, kenwood 9060d and MS 914 as my fronts and 902 as my surrounds. MS din po ang gamit ko for Center and subwoofer. Break-in stage pa sya, just bought it last friday. Di ko lang po alam kung ano ang tamang settings for my sub ;D
bro,
i plan to bring my old MF pre/power amps tomorrow sa 5th Ave. glorieta to hear the 914s lengthily. Try ko rin siguro ang MA904s para maka decide kung alin ang ok.
will post result of audition here.
Bro,
i suggest you give the MS914 a try if you like floorstanders. kindly post if ok to ride along in your purchase with the 25% discount. I am also considering the 914s. thanks :)
thanks mga bro.
actually i was reading this thread before and the kenwood thread, and it was you guys who convince me to buy this set up :D. break in ko muna for 2 weeks pero hanggang -20 db yung volume ng kenwood ,okey na muna yun hehehe...
bro nels.
sorry didnt get to check tong thread na to. ayaw bitawan ng son ko computer. addict na sa ragnarok ::)
auditioned the MS914s. problema practically straight from the box. parang bitin pa for my taste. mas practical and flexible sana for my needs. may have to schedule audition again to be able to decide. ???
auditioned the MS914s. problema practically straight from the box. parang bitin pa for my taste. mas practical and flexible sana for my needs. may have to schedule audition again to be able to decide. ???
narayan,
you may try to audition your MF amp at 5th Ave SM City Cyberzone bec the 914 there were already broken-in. They used it for demo and display purpose. You can look for Gary or Ronald. Malayo nga lang :D
Thanks bro. :D Will try to do that. Anyway, I live in QC.
Bro,
Congrats on your new baby. Dumating din! :D It should be broken in already by saturday coz approx. 10 hrs lang naman ang minimum break in period ng MS di ba?
BTW, nakalibrate na ni levi ang MS speakers ko with my kenwood 9060D AVR last saturday pm. Bumalanse ang bigay ng mga speakers. The new settings are not very far off my settings by ear except for the 907W sub. Swerte ko we live in the same neighborhood. ;D Thanks again Levi :D
james,
ok, will do that early next week sa sm city. have already made arrangements for audition sa kanila.
coolkiks,
My settings are as ff: +2 fronts -1 center +4 surrounds. Please note my speakers are 902s fronts & 903s surrounds. Pareho naman tayo ng center & sub. Your guide should be that the sound loudness coming from your speakers to your listening position be about the same.
For the sub, its at 0, frequency halfway and i just adjust the volume depending on the source material. Tinker with it until you get your preferred sound bro. Enjoy! :D
av_phile,
ang galing ng HT set up ng friend mo! ;D 914s front and surrounds tapos 909W pa ang sub. May I know how much is the discount rate he was given? Thanks
onga sir narayan & av_phile, di kaya tataas ang discount nyan pag 3 pairs of ms-914 ang kukunin? wat about 4 pairs? wat about an extra 909w? thinking of the possibilities lang po. personally, i still haven't decided on my own upgrade yet, pero baka meron lang gusto maki group buy dyan. problem lang siguro sa group buy kung sino magtatago ng receipt.
coolkiks,
My settings are as ff: +2 fronts -1 center +4 surrounds. Please note my speakers are 902s fronts & 903s surrounds. Pareho naman tayo ng center & sub. Your guide should be that the sound loudness coming from your speakers to your listening position be about the same.
For the sub, its at 0, frequency halfway and i just adjust the volume depending on the source material. Tinker with it until you get your preferred sound bro. Enjoy! :D
sir levi, dun sa place ko meron session bukas. nag-confirm na si hans adriane, sebman & narayan. sir nels76, sana makapunta ka pre... sir james16, kita-kits ulit... sir ltcool and slayer kayo din po! text niyo ko ha - 0920-9052125... ummm, may nakalimutan ba ako? pasensya na guys di ko na keep track, kung sakali konting tiis lang sa sikip ng living room ko. lalasingin ko kayo ng coke para maganda pandinig niyo hehe.
Narayan,
Any scheduled eb sa house ninyo?
thanks
levi
Why not invite the guys and bring their gears. I can also bring mine so you can try different combination. I want to try my ST70 with your Energy and Mordaunt and if someone is bringing floorstanders then better.
Bro Akyat,
I heard your 908 yesterday and I can say is that maganda iyong highs and mids niya unlike the B4 na forward sounding talaga. In your face ang tunog.
What I noticed?
Your 908 has still a great potential. The problem is it just couldn't get its needed power from your amps considering that it has a 10" passive sub.
What to do?
I have a recommendation to bi-amp your 908. I forgot to discuss this to you yesterday.
How to do it?
Remove first the metal jumper of your 908.
Then have the front left and right channel of your marantz 7300 connected to the HF of the 908.
Then from the front left and right pre-out of your marantz, connect it to the kenwood, then have the kenwood connected to the LF of the 908.
This setup makes the kenwood dedicatedly driving the passive sub of the 908 and the marantz 7300 dedicatedly driving the mids and highs.
If you don't find this appealing then retain your original setup.
If you hear distortion and a hollow sound upon turning on your system, immediately turn it off. I'll help you do it.
Ltcool, Hans, Sebman, Slayer, rogie, j_albert,
Nice meeting you guys.
J_albert,
Mas malapit ako sa inyo... kaya sorry my friend hehehehe punta tayo kay superman?? sama ka??
Bro Akyat,
I heard your 908 yesterday and I can say is that maganda iyong highs and mids niya unlike the B4 na forward sounding talaga. In your face ang tunog.
there's a new speaker line from MS called avant 900. it looks like a modified 900 series with its ribbed cones, black tweeters, modified spikes, and square-edged cabinets. i dunno if this is supposed to be an improvement, but aesthetically i kinda prefer the declaration 900.
James,
Ganda talaga ng MS MA-porma tapos very nice pa ang sound..
James,
OT may yahoo messenger ka?? hans_adriane akin hehehe forgot to get your cell number 09167300331
James,
Ok thanks got your number...
psssh pre edit your post na baka dumami textmate mo hehehehehe nag-edit na ako ;D
av_phile, do you mean the thx 502's ? i saw they're still in the UK website. quite expensive those speakers - P68k but still with discount if you pay cash. the built-in amp has the same 1-band equa in the 909w.
haven't tried removing the tweeter grills on mine.. i kinda like the visual effect it has with the aluminum shining behind the black grill. plus when my friends bring their kids over those little fingers love to poke at the speakers.
I was with Idol Kimpao at 5th ave yesterday afternoon auditioning the 906 paired it with a Idol's Scott tube amp, eventhough not yet broken in the sound is very promising I feel these baby can give more.. high and mid are nice, mid bass and bass almost there.. wish they break in there demo units next time..
Also saw the 914 mmmhh ganda ng price 16+++ for a floorstander much hear ito unfortunately wla na time hehehe next time ulit..
narayan,
Sir obey ok will wait for your babies to full blown.. ganda nyan sir.. congrats ;D ;D
Narayan,
What happened to your Energy speakers? Did you try using your new preamp with your old speakers or the MS speakers?
Narayan,
Sand filling will improve stability, enhanced bass and clarity..
guys,
the 914s which i got last week has started to show its potentials. The highs are sweet and pleasing to the ears. The bass medyo hard pa compared with my 902s but definitely has more slam due to the bigger woofer. The imaging is very good. Its a great improvement over my old energy floorstanders. :D
wonder what will happen to the bass if the chamber is filled with dry sand ::). paging coolkiks and av_phile- have you tried it? if yes, anong effect? Thanks
narayan,
excited ako marinig yang 914 nyo. lalo na kung broken-in na... im sure maganda yan... ;D ;D ;D
Hans Guru!!! ;D ;D ;D
I totally agree, the 906 is good considering that it wasn't broken-in yet. Highs and mids are great (para sa akin, sayang bigla lang akong kinailangan sa office kaya di nanamin na audition yung 914) bass, we'll there's still big potential for it to improve after break-in but again, out of the box i think its ok.
Hmmmm!! still have a couple of weeks more to decide kung si rica ba o si maui ang i-uuwi ko (still need to audition a properly broken-in B4) Even if i already have the "dough" with me yesterday, i still need to see how does the B4 perform with the scott. Medyo leaning towards ms 906 na rin ako but i'm still keeping my options open.
bos narayan, pa pm naman kung ano findings mo with the 914
;)
sana parehong si rica at si maui ang pwede kong i-uwi ::) ;D ;D
narayan,
For sure yan... freshly tune yan for the next listening session.. hehehehe excited na rin akooo!! :D
narayan,
Ganun ba sir... hehehe thanks.
Thanks. Actually, I like the B4s very much. Have auditioned them sa archi audio and akyat's place. In the end though, overall the 914s filled what I wanted. The price was just a bonus! :D
Ltcool,
Meron ata ulit pre text mo si akyat hehehe teka have you decided on what speaker ka sir??
I would love to join early and bring my MS 912 and sana my Receiver.
Unfortunately, :'(I have a client visit on that day in the morning. Kung makapunta man ako, hahabol na lang but without my gear.
Laki pa man din ng box ng 912, mahirao i-transport.
But I'm still making adjustment sa sked ko. Hope client will agree na cancelled meeting namin sa Sat para makapunta ako sa Session niyo with my gears.
Cheers.
I would love to join early and bring my MS 912 and sana my Receiver.
Unfortunately, :'(I have a client visit on that day in the morning. Kung makapunta man ako, hahabol na lang but without my gear.
Laki pa man din ng box ng 912, mahirap i-transport.
But I'm still making adjustment sa sked ko. Hope client will agree na cancelled meeting namin sa Sat para makapunta ako sa Session niyo with my gears.
Cheers.
ok ako dyan. 1 buwan dyan sa iyo ung 914s kapalit ng 908s ;D.
Nel,
Since a stone throw lang naman house mo kay James pwede naman natin pick up yan tapos sunod ka na lang sa bundok hehehehe...
Narayan,
Excited na ako sa preamp and 914 mo sir... sure hit!! yan and for the shootout bet MA and MS again hehehe..
pre, pwede mo dalin mamaya yung cart at yung 912 para madala kina akyat sa sabado (hahabol ka naman di ba)... gusto mo ibreak-in ko pa at marinig ko din yung HK/Ms combo... makakatulong pa ako sayo nyan... ;D ;D ;D concerned lang ako... ;D
dependent lang naman ako kay .... at baka before lunch kami pumunta dun para maset-up agad...
Hi Guys,
Does anybody here used denon 1804 to their mordaunt speakers?
Cheers
Does anybody here used denon 1804 to their mordaunt speakers?
James, Hans, Narayan, Akyat,
Positive News:
Client cancelled our meeting tom. I can attaend the session.
Later tonight, I will try to retrieve my 912 from the rubbles of Mt. Pinatubo with the help of The Carpenters so that I can bring it tom on the session. This is one exciting evening. An evening of passion and romance (with the rubbles). Sana di pa na-intrude iyong aking 912 from its current location.
See ya.
update naman ito don sa MS 914s ko. as akyat has experienced, medyo maluwag na ang paghinga nito ;D. pinaluwag ng husto nung rotel hehehe. galing ng combi ng ws preamp+rotel amp+rotel cdp+MS 914s ;D ;D ;D.
after the holidays na lang ung listening session. medyo busy during weekends. naka buwena mano lang si roger... hehee. malaaaapit na
psst nels76 saan link niyan?
hanep, mission 780 was 2-time loudspeaker of the year. matindi mga kalaban ha... :o
Pansin ko nga din iyon.
In fact, sa mega test ng MA B2 by What Hi-Fi, hindi din niya nakatapat iyong MS 912. Instead, B2 was compared against Wharfedale & Jamo among others.
Malayo talaga...
any thoughts on the 904?
although i haven't heard the 904, i would prefer the 914 over the 904... bigger woofer + improved crossover... i think within the 900 series the best value floorstander is the 914. its pricing is somewhere between a monitor audio B2 and B&W 601. if you consider the cost of the stands, then it comes out cheaper. of course we're talking "only" a couple of thousand. if price is that close, then the ears should take over from the wallet in making the final decision. i suggest bro to bring your receiver to audition as many speakers as you can. its definitely worth the effort to make sure you're spending your hard-earned money on the best bang for the buck.
Narayan,
Excited na rin kami sa listening session.. Congrats sir sa Rotel mo.. super ganda yan!! 8) 8)
update naman ito don sa MS 914s ko. as akyat has experienced, medyo maluwag na ang paghinga nito ;D. pinaluwag ng husto nung rotel hehehe. galing ng combi ng ws preamp+rotel amp+rotel cdp+MS 914s ;D ;D ;D.
after the holidays na lang ung listening session. medyo busy during weekends. naka buwena mano lang si roger... hehee. malaaaapit na
Sir congrats on your Hi-Fi's, ganda ng rotel sleek na sleek, hope i can join you guys on enjoying the system. At best buy talaga yang WS na preamp, sana wag tumaas yung price pag available na budget ko.
Cheers,
-LtCool-
thanks bro. will let you know pag scheduled na ung listening session :)
Get a load of this:
MS 912 reviewed for the third time by hi-fi world last October, 2003 and she is a winner among others.
MS 912 compared to:
EPOS EL S3
KEF Q1
KEF XQ1
Mission 780SE
Tannoy Sensys DC1
Ruark Etude
Notice the MS 912's Frequency Response Curve - almost flat and no frequency peaking (kaya siguro wide sound stage)
And the Impedance drops to 4ohms at low frequency - at least it is not as power hungry as the others.
http://www.marantz.com/hifi/america/main.html
Nice babies there and nice deal too av_phile.
Happy Listening.
Planning to get 914s too in the coming months ;D
To the guys (Narayan, Akyatbundok, James16, Nels16, and Hans Adriane):
My search for a speaker to mate with my Rotel RA-980BX + WS preamp has finally ended - my final choice is tadahh ...... MS914 :D.
Just in the nick of time before the New Year. Right now I'm listening to my new audio set-up. Would be doing a lot of breaking in before it becomes as good as that of sir Narayan, btw thanks again Narayan for letting me audition my Rotel with your MS914.
I did not however just picked the 914 after the audition at Narayan's place. As the guys said do as manny audition as you can and that I did. FYI I auditioned the following speakers - KLIPSH SF-1, Tannoy MX4-M and M4, a KEF floorstander (didn't get its model), Monitor Audio B4 and B6, and lastly the MS914.
Well as I said before "to each his own" (Maui or Rica, sino pa ba yung isa). After considering all my options and other influences I got to finally picked the 914 ;).
BTW I would like to also thank Epoy of Architectural Audio. Thank you sir for letting me auditioned the MA B4/B6.
Now my search is over :P ... or is it ???. Till the next itch. he he he ;D
Zephyr,
Welcome to the ELITE MS Club
- Wide Soundstage
- Cleaner Sound
- Does not shout to your ears.
nels76
Zephyr,
Welcome to the ELITE MS Club
- Wide Soundstage
- Cleaner Sound
- Does not shout to your ears.
nels76
Elite kasi kaunti pa lang ang bumili ;D ;D ;D
Thanks.
Well I really underestimated the 914s, ang galing pala nito. Was favoring the MA B4 at first but right now have not regretted buying this set, solve na solve. The bass, hinde nahuhuli - just right. And yes, the sounds - definitely cleaner :D
Napakasarap ng pasok ng new year ko ngayon. :D :D
Zephyr
I'm also considering the MS 914, but I notice its freq response.... it has a capability of extending the high freq response to 22K (for DVD-Audio and SACD) but its lowest freq is upto 50Hz only.
Other floorstanders can go as low as 30Hz, like Wharf diamond 8.4. Gale 3040 can go low as 39Hz.
I would like to use this speakers without the help of sub... Is this a problem, or I should not put much concern to this.... ?
Help.
Thanks.
guys, what speaker cable would sound best for the MS Decleration Series? ;)
I'm also considering the MS 914, but I notice its freq response.... it has a capability of extending the high freq response to 22K (for DVD-Audio and SACD) but its lowest freq is upto 50Hz only.
Other floorstanders can go as low as 30Hz, like Wharf diamond 8.4. Gale 3040 can go low as 39Hz.
I would like to use this speakers without the help of sub... Is this a problem, or I should not put much concern to this.... ?
Help.
Thanks.
Zephyr,
You surprised me when you chose MS 914 over other brands. I thought you were already inclined with the B2 during our session at akyakt's place.
Well, congrats anyway.
nels76
Hi, just want to share my opinion regarding these frequency response thing. It may be true that a speaker system may be rated only to reproduce a particular range of frequencies (for the MS912 - 55Hz to 22kHz), but sonically it may sound to have a deeper bass if compared to another speaker system with a lower rating frequency response (like the MA B2 - 42Hz to 22kHz). Some factors that may affect the way these speakers may sound differently may be attributed to their cut off cross over frequencies and their effective volume inside the speaker enclosures which specs are not usually indicated.
MS 912 and MA B2 use metal based drivers and having heard both speakers perform at their finest, I subscribe to what nels and the rest of the gang in their testimony that the bass of the 912s is lower and softer than the B2s or rather deeper and sweeter!!
no offense to the MA fans out there but that's just my pair of ears telling me how it is!!
Hi, just want to share my opinion regarding these frequency response thing. It may be true that a speaker system may be rated only to reproduce a particular range of frequencies (for the MS912 - 55Hz to 22kHz), but sonically it may sound to have a deeper bass if compared to another speaker system with a lower rating frequency response (like the MA B2 - 42Hz to 22kHz). Some factors that may affect the way these speakers may sound differently may be attributed to their cut off cross over frequencies and their effective volume inside the speaker enclosures which specs are not usually indicated.
MS 912 and MA B2 use metal based drivers and having heard both speakers perform at their finest, I subscribe to what nels and the rest of the gang in their testimony that the bass of the 912s is lower and softer than the B2s or rather deeper and sweeter!!
no offense to the MA fans out there but that's just my pair of ears telling me how it is!!
;) ;)
Hmmm... kanino kayang B2 ang gamit ni Akayat... ::)
i guess this makes a listening test alot more convincing than the rated specs... looking at it from the other side of the freq. spectrum, the 912 and B2 are both rated up to 22kHz but the B2 is actually more detailed in the high frequencies. so there you go... one goes higher, the other goes lower... yet one's edge is not too far from the other... they both sound great. i think that choosing between the 2 speakers depends on your type of music too -- do you like to hear more detail or more scale?
Zypher,
Congrats sa 914 mo sir Ganda yan!! + rotel amp mmmhh yammy!!
shhhh... secret... hehe... nahiram ko lang ng ilang linggo... speaker swap baga for R&D.
Slayer,
alam ko kung kanino yan B2 hehehehe.. :-* :-*
Puwede rin kaya ako makipag swap dun sa may B2 para mapademo kay misis at pumayag na mag upgrade ako?! ahahehehehe... ;D ;D ;D teka... OT na. Baka ma sibak tayo! ahehehe... ;D
sir akyat,
puwede swap tayo sub mga 2 weeks from now.
I am curious connecting your 907 to my 9060D. Currently naka 2.1 setup na ko. Unti-unti ng lumalabas ang mga babies ko.
cheers
sir narayan,
kelan po ba yung listening session sa inyo??? ;D
sir narayan,
pwede bang sumama diyan? ;D i could bring my B4 if needed. :)
Narayan,
Uy lapit na ba schedule??
Kimpao,
Cge bring the B4 along...
oo nga sir nalimutan na sched ;D ;D i'm sure break in na MS 914 :D :D
Sir Hans nahiram mo na ba yong tube amp? sabay ulit ako pag tuloy...
no problem :D. ok yan, maririnig ko rin side by side with the MS914s. will pm you pag finalized na bro.
yehey!!
mabuhay ang bagong session!!
putuk.... putuk!!
(http://203.131.66.146:8080/ny1.jpg)
Kimpao and Kwela guys,
Just bought a pair of telefunken 12au7 for my tone premap will bring it sa session natin hehehe pati na yun rca black plate ( thanks to sir ambel )..
hans,
due to insistent kwela group demand, malapit na ;D ;D ;D
akyatbundok,
OT lang, ang ganda ng pic mo. Okay yung exposure mo tamang-tama. Sa antipolo ba to? ;D
Cheeers
thanks tsonggo_26... i took it from my pad, im renting at the 9th floor with a good view of corinthians... grabe magpaputok mga rich pre... i set my digicam to 4sec shutter speed and in this pic i got 7 explosions... pinakamaraming nakuha ko in one shot was probably 18 explosions but my timing was off so hindi pa hinog yung explosions unlike that one.
uy sama ko sa session na yan, gusto ko makarinig ng tubes!
Akayat,
Medyo OT. ;D Are you also into photography... may mata ka with taking shots. :)
thanks slayer, parang naging 2nd hobby na rin... after audio... pwede rin pagsabayin yung dalawang hobby... o tatlo?
iceman,
no problem bro, most likely next saturday after lunch dito sa batasan hills area.
thanks! jan 17? i'll see if i can bring speakers as well :)
pwede bang makisakay ;D di ba taga laguna ka rin
hans,
naks, you are into tube rolling na din ha :o. sige, dalhin mo mga tubes na yan para madinig namin ang difference dun sa stock tubes.
kimpao,
oks na oks para naman may variety :D
iceman,
no problem bro, most likely next saturday after lunch dito sa batasan hills area.
no problem bro, most likely next saturday after lunch dito sa batasan hills area.
thanks! jan 24? i'll see if i can bring speakers as well :)
Narayan,
Sir obet excited na ako hehehhe
James and Nelson,
Paramdam kayooooo!!
slayer,
sa filinvest 1 kami. can meet those coming say sa shell gas station near ever gotesco commonwealth
levi,
can you join bro?
voelker,
malapit ka lang pala. sali na :D
james r u der d kumpleto kwela boys pag wala kayo ;D ;D
thanks slayer, parang naging 2nd hobby ko na rin ang photography after audio... pwede rin pagsabayin yung dalawang hobby... o tatlo? gusto ko matuto noon eh, pero mukhang magastos sa film, kaya when digicams came out... solve! kahit magkamali okey lang.
pero mahirap pagsabayin yung photo tsaka HT.. magastos. Hirap pa mag decide kung anong unahin mong bilhin a camera equipment ba o HT na... hehehe! cge balik na tayo sa topic... ;D
slayer, PM mo rin ako ng gallery mo... tnx!
levi: sir thanks for the clarification, lapit lang pala kayo sir
narayan: sir kung hindi pa crowded pwede bang mag gatecrash?
sir narayan,
hope you can pm me the directions. will bring the b4s and the scott since i'd also like to hear the scotts using 914
ok bro will do that.
... tingin ko gawa ng static yun pag nakalimutan ko patayin yung power amp tapos maglilipat ng interconnects -- bad... minsan may malakas na static sound, balita ko nakakasira daw ng speaker yun esp. tweeter.
james, gising naaaaa!!! hehe... pasok ka na ba? wag ka lalabas ng basa pa buhok baka mapagkamalan kang taga night club hehe... joke
guys nasira ko tweeter ng ms-908 ko, yung right channel... nasa paayusan ngayon ng 5th ave., balitaan ko kayo kung okey sila mag-service... di ako sure kung ano cause eh, pero sure ako hindi na over-drive kasi kahit mas malakas na tugtog kayang-kaya nun... tingin ko gawa ng static yun pag nakalimutan ko patayin yung power amp tapos maglilipat ng interconnects -- bad daw yun... minsan may malakas na static sound, balita ko nakakasira ng speaker yun esp. tweeter.
guys nasira ko tweeter ng ms-908 ko, yung right channel... nasa paayusan ngayon ng 5th ave., balitaan ko kayo kung okey sila mag-service... di ako sure kung ano cause eh, pero sure ako hindi na over-drive kasi kahit mas malakas na tugtog kayang-kaya nun... tingin ko gawa ng static yun pag nakalimutan ko patayin yung power amp tapos maglilipat ng interconnects -- bad daw yun... minsan may malakas na static sound, balita ko nakakasira ng speaker yun esp. tweeter.
james, gising naaaaa!!! hehe... pasok ka na ba? wag ka lalabas ng basa pa buhok baka mapagkamalan kang taga night club hehe... joke
guys nasira ko tweeter ng ms-908 ko, yung right channel... nasa paayusan ngayon ng 5th ave., balitaan ko kayo kung okey sila mag-service... di ako sure kung ano cause eh, pero sure ako hindi na over-drive kasi kahit mas malakas na tugtog kayang-kaya nun... tingin ko gawa ng static yun pag nakalimutan ko patayin yung power amp tapos maglilipat ng interconnects -- bad daw yun... minsan may malakas na static sound, balita ko nakakasira ng speaker yun esp. tweeter.
90 days? naku wag naman sana... overdriven din daw sakin but i bet it was the static thing, so oks lang sakin to pay for parts & labor, mura lang naman yung tweeter... first time i returned my bookshelf (also a tweeter problem), the service from Rey of 5th ave was great coz he gave me a bnew pair as full replacement within 2 days... this time though replace na lang yung tweeter kasi i've been using the speakers for a long time already.
ohhh me.. oooohhh my...
Is this a coincidence or a case of sub-par parts in the MS pseakers ???.
I'm planning to get the 914s wihtin a few weeks also.
Hope everything turns out all right for you guys. ;)
av_phile, akyat,
Well, your report scares me since I also have an all-MS speakers setup (except sub).
But last December, I torture tested my MS 912 during our christmas party. I played it loud such that the woofer was vibrating at about 1cm displacement. The emcee was also shouting during the parlor games. Fortunately, wala naman naging problem. Could it be that the amplifier is also at fault?
Instead, I have a weird problem with my sub. Static is being heard when at low volume. If played loudly, nawawala. (Parang umuubo siya pag mahina iyong sound and the sound is about milliseconds delayed compared to the punch of the front speaker.)
Try to opened my sub and fixed all the connections. At first nawala, then bumalik nanaman.
av-phile,
goodluck sa 914 mo.
nels76
let's see.... that's av_phile & me who've had problems so far.... and nels76, narayan, coolkiks and zephyr who haven't reported problems (yet).
av_phile, they quoted me 2k for the tweeter replacement... dunno how the woofer would cost.
there's a couple of things going round in my head right now... if the tweeter is really the one that's busted, which part of the tweeter would that be? upon close inspection, the tweeter seems intact.... heck i even smelled it and it smells pretty normal to me as in nothing seems burned.
what are the chances that it's just the tweeter part of the crossover? i mean if its just a resistor 2k would be exorbitant... but if its the whole tweeter, i guess the price would be fair.
Guys,
I think it would be a good idea if you can e-mail MS and present them the facts of the case together with what the dealer is asking as part of the after sales service.
Let's just find out how MS would react.
Just me.
2k for just one tweeter or both???
just one tweeter plus labor... do u think that's too much?
let's see.... that's av_phile & me who've had problems so far.... and nels76, narayan, coolkiks and zephyr who haven't reported problems (yet).
Selecting amplifier power
In general, the amplifier power needs to be larger than the speaker's rated power. This is because an amplifier only delivers its rated output power with sinewave signal, and delivers much less with a real signal with dynamics. As a general guideline, it is recommended to use an amplifier delivering 50% more power than the speaker's average ("RMS") power. For example, for a speaker with 450W average power, an amplifier with an output of 700W may be used. If a small amplifier is used, sufficient level will not be reached, nor the perception that it is attained, so the signal will tend to be clipped to compensate, thus endangering the integrity of the speaker.
Source: http://www.doctorproaudio.com/doctor/temas/powerhandling.htm
Selecting amplifier power
In general, the amplifier power needs to be larger than the speaker's rated power. This is because an amplifier only delivers its rated output power with sinewave signal, and delivers much less with a real signal with dynamics. As a general guideline, it is recommended to use an amplifier delivering 50% more power than the speaker's average ("RMS") power. For example, for a speaker with 450W average power, an amplifier with an output of 700W may be used. If a small amplifier is used, sufficient level will not be reached, nor the perception that it is attained, so the signal will tend to be clipped to compensate, thus endangering the integrity of the speaker.
Source: http://www.doctorproaudio.com/doctor/temas/powerhandling.htm
j_albert,
mas maganda kung mas malakas ang amplifier kesa mas mahina ang amplifier rating sa speaker rating. the reason behind it is this:
pag mahina ang amplifier at tinodo mo, distorted na ang output nito diba?? so ang pumapasok sa speakers mo ay distorted sound. yan ang sisira ng speakers mo, distortion.
pag malakas ang amp mo, kahit lakasan mo, hindi pa distorted ang output. at least malinis pa rin ang signal na natatanggap ng speakers mo.
pero of course, lahat ng speakers have their limits. pag tinodo mo beyond their limits, malakas man ang amp o mahina, masisira pa rin.
given the same output, mas less lang ang chance masira ng speakers mo kung malakas or malinis pa ang output ng amp.
cheers.
sir akyat,
baka naman hina-hire pa yung gagawa ng speakers. ahehee ;D
Hi Akyat,
Did you get the price breakdown for parts and labor? And are you getting just one tweeter? They haven't gottne back to me for the price of the woofer.
av_phile, i didn't get a price breakdown... yup, i'm getting just one tweeter... for now anyway... if it sounds different, i'll wait for it to break in... if it still sounds different, then i might have the other tweeter replaced too... but i'm not expecting it to sound different if they do it right.
Mga Bros,
Make sure that it will be replace with a new one and not just rewind speakers...
positive_noise.
Mga Bros,
Make sure that it will be replace with a new one and not just rewind speakers...
positive_noise.
iba talaga ang mga nasa MS Elite, tapos may golden-ear pa na expert pa... ;D
It will surely be a replacement tweeters and not a rewound one. Ask for the defective parts para sure.
Standard Procedure iyon that when you have an electronics repaired, you must ask for the replaced (defective) parts.
Itaas mo. (hik hik)
James,
Musta pala si golden ears naka-decide na ba sa DVD player..
bro, so far ok pa for you to join :)
yup, replacing both tweeters is certainly an option now... but i will have to listen to the replacement first to check if its really needed... if it retains the balance then i'll just keep it as-is, no need to replace the other one.
did you get the company's name? i noticed they refer to themselves as "Super"... anybody know about them?
Sir Narayan,
Baka convoy kami ni Akyat tomorrow going to your place.
bro voelker,
my home address is 12 mt. rindjani, filinvest 1. u may txt me at 09178080242. thanks
thanks - text na lang bukas, sana di traffic sa x.way :)
pwede ba magdala ng speakers at amp?
Sir Narayan,
All ready to go na ako btw got text for Vintage Dog baka di raw pwede 300B tomorrow..
thanks sir narayan! hope to be there tomorrow, bring your own ba to (gear, food, etc)? thanks!
no need na siguro, we have enough gears to play with. you may want to bring cds. thanks
hmmm... i hardly heard the 914 last saturday mga p're, from the few times we hooked it up, it was with a different set of cd player, amp & cable... my impression was that the bass of the b4 could go lower & louder... i think the 914 didn't like the free-space positioning in that setup, being 8-10ft away from the wall... since it doesn't have a front port like the b4, it needs wall reinforcement to deliver its bass... this was also the impression i had with the bookshelf version 912, which i first heard 8ft from the wall in nels76's place, and then 2ft from the wall at my place.
the b4 took center stage after the hafler was fired up... man, what a slammin' setup... would have liked to hear the 914 driven in the same setup as the best-of-show, but this time with front wall reinforcement:
tono/telefunken + hafler xl-280 + drum track #6
mag round 2 tayo mga bosing! hehe
maawa kayo sa B4 ko :'( :'( kung may round 2. yung B4 naman ni hans ;D ;D ;D
maawa kayo sa B4 ko :'( :'( kung may round 2. yung B4 naman ni hans ;D ;D ;D
Kaya pala di maipinta last Sat :) kinakabahan pala :D ;D ;D ok lang yon may warranty pa naman di ba ;D ;D ;D o kaya yong bagong B4 ni sebman (hoist paramdam ka naman )
gusto ko ng tumayo sa harap nung B4 para saluhin yung drivers, kung sakali. ahehehehehehe. O, sebman yung B4 mo naman ang dapat i-stress test. ;D
Uy!! Kelan yan?! ;D
Kimpao and J_albert,
Pre OT kayo MS thread ito dun kayo magulo sa MA thread..
[slayer],
sa inyo daw yung susunod na eb ;D ;D
I just got a call from 5th ave and the cost is 5.2T for both 914 woofers. They don't have any drivers and they'll just get from an existing 912 or 914 speakers in their stock.
Akyat,
I thinks they should have no problem importing parts if they are the licensed distributor.
Hmmm... maybe that's where my tweeter is coming from? I think its a good thing they're doing that, i mean its part of the business to be able to support the customers, the dealers should at least take that into consideration and stock on some parts. Is it really that hard to import parts?
That's should be the case. But you know what? They've been emailing and calling their UK contacts for quotation and no one is answering accdg to 5th Ave. Strange. I know based on my emails with the UK ms office that they no longer support MS products later than 1999 models. MS is now with Maratntz or Audiopartership, LTD. 5th should have contacted them instead. Not in the UK though. But I wouldn't presume to advise them. Thus far, I have not received any reply of my email from the marantz group either.
That's should be the case. But you know what? They've been emailing and calling their UK contacts for quotation and no one is answering accdg to 5th Ave. Strange. I know based on my emails with the UK ms office that they no longer support MS products later than 1999 models. MS is now with Maratntz or Audiopartership, LTD. 5th should have contacted them instead. Not in the UK though. But I wouldn't presume to advise them. Thus far, I have not received any reply of my email from the marantz group either.
we shouldn't take their excuses hook, line and sinker. if these MS speakers were indeed sourced from P.R.O.C., (which is logical because they are a lot cheaper than U.S. or U.K. prices) why would they e-mail or call their UK contacts when they can get in touch with the Chinese manufacturers wherein they got these speakers in the first place. I'm pretty sure their Chinese source has tons of inventories on these drivers and tweeters.
just my foolish thoughts.... ;D ;D ;D
The site also says that if we encounter a problem with the loudspeakers, to contact the dealer (5th ave) or the local distributor (avesco). It's their responsibility, and its good to know they are taking responsibility for it even if it means taking apart bnew units to get the parts. I'm curious though as to why they have such difficulty contacting the source. Isn't it wierd?
kakatakot na yatang kumuha ng MS-- ::)
kakatakot na yatang kumuha ng MS-- ::)
yikes, i was about to buy a MS floorstander as my main.
buti nalang hindi pa ako napabili.
dito muna ako sa DTX ko.
Buti pa ng yung DTX slim that i had used for about 6 months, hindi na-overdriven by the same amplifer that overdrove the 914 in just 3 months. That DTX pair now sits in the audio room of a fellow enthusiast without any problem.
9k pwede? hehe... sori sir barat pa ako saving up to buy my dream amp, sana matuloy pag acquire ko ng accuphase, been drooling for 3 weeks, hoping to drive MS with it.
ano nga pala nangyari? di mo nakuha nung sunday?
Hi Bro,
i agree with you. i believe we should think twice before getting m-s speaker! base from the performance we are seeing right now...
marami pa namang iba... hunt ulit! this makes it enjoyable hobby... magastos nga lang.
enjoy!
positive_noise. ;D
MS speaker owners, may magbebenta na ba sa inyo?
pm me the last price ha... hehe ;D
Agree with you Zephyr,
C'mon av-phile. If you really want to let go of your MS, we're waiting. Sell it to us.
I'm a happy All-MS Setup owner too.
I have a friend looking for MS.
Every brand has a lemon - even high end ones.
Every brand has a lemon - even high end ones.
I just got a call from 5th ave and the cost is 5.2T for both 914 woofers. They don't have any drivers and they'll just get from an existing 912 or 914 speakers in their stock.
Buti pa ng yung DTX slim that i had used for about 6 months, hindi na-overdriven by the same amplifer that overdrove the 914 in just 3 months. That DTX pair now sits in the audio room of a fellow enthusiast without any problem.
Hey hey lets not get carried away, Mordaunt short are good speakers. Ive got MS914 too, been happy powering it with my 100wpc rotel amp and mine is just doing fine.
Just because someone is having problem on aftersales service does not necessarily mean that all MS speaker are of poor quality.
Just my 2 cents :) :)
Hi Bro zephyr,
I'm happy to hear that your m-s speaker is still doing ok! ;) I'm no against ms speaker, actually, i'm considering also in buying this speaker! but from the testimony ng mga ka member natin dito, i believe we should think twice. And i also believe that this is not about ms quality/service... it's more on durability! in the first place, kung hindi nasira ang mga speaker ng mga Bro natin dito! dapat di tayo nagkaroon ng doubt! ;D or baka naman na overdrive lang talaga ng iba ang speaker... which is which??
enjoy!
positive_noise. ;)
av_phile,
You said that your MS 914 is just 3 months old when the woofer gave in.
But check this Picture of your HT Setup dated May 2003. It shows that you already have MS 914. I presume this is the MS 914 you are talking about. And it's not 3 months old lang.
Also learned that you got your MS 914 from a previous owner and already noticed earlier that there is distortion from the woofer.
Be fair, man. Don't use this thread to get back to the dealer. Be accurate in reporting.
http://www.pinoydvd.com/yabbse/index.php?board=11;action=display;threadid=1788;start=480
Well in fairness to 5th ave I think their doing a good thing in terms of customer service.....biro mo kakalasin yung isang unit para magamit mo yung sa iyo.
How often do you see a dealer ... say a car dealer cannibalized a good sealable unit's engine just to fix your car.
Lets be realistic guys, times are difficult right now. I was once in-charge with ordering foreign parts/materials and it took us a sometimes a month or more in getting them.
Not stocking of parts is definitely a bad thing for 5th ave but the cannibalizing of a good unit just to serve your need is I think going the extra mile.
9k pwede? hehe... sori sir barat pa ako saving up to buy my dream amp, sana matuloy pag acquire ko ng accuphase, been drooling for 3 weeks, hoping to drive MS with it.
it just so happens that we like to post about our audio experience here in pinoydvd, good or bad... i am aware of busted speakers that were reported but did not get this kind of bad rap... and i am aware of busted speakers that were never reported... i just posted my experience to warn about transient static when reconnecting your cables while the amp is on.
why would you report your own busted speaker anyway? imagine what it would do to its resale value... i'll give you a good reason -- because i plan to keep it... anybody wanna to sell his MS speaker? pls pm me your last price hehehe... sir yukon, parang stock market nga, pwedeng pagsamantalahan! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
thanks sir positive_noise.
i just wanted to clarify my position on MS, since people tend to absorb facts selectively and form conclusions on their own... when i posted that my tweeter died, what i just wanted to say was: "be careful about changing cables"... and in addition: "hey, now we have a chance to evaluate their customer service"... that's basically it.
av_phile has clarified that he has no problem with MS, just the dealer, about whom he has many negative things to say (again, about the dealer).
but people will make their own interpretation, public perception has a life of its own... and its interesting to note that people now see this as a reflection of MS quality, not the dealer's.
a new curiosity for me, this public perception thing... it will sway people's buying decision... isn't marketing interesting (from a techie point of view)?
Hi Bro av_phile1, :)
What may be reason that burn-out your ms speaker, so that some owner may prevent in doing so. i believe it would not just burn w/out wrong doing. ???
Thanks.
enjoy,
positive_noise. ;D
nobody dissing out the MS, in fact im eyeing also the 914 for my fronts, (muntik na akong mag GALE remember) since that sad news came about, i would have to hold on my money and reassess.not just one customer, a whole lot more. so many people are making decisions because of the advice they get from this site (like me). that dealer should be made to read this thread. i was also considering MS for a separate audio setup within this year and if this is the customer service theyre giving, im having second thoughts already. its just too bad coz people were starting to take notice of the MS speakers.
5th ave will lose one customer if they dont get their act straight.
how about a pinoydvd membership card na may priority sa service? tutal marami naman ditong lurker na nasa audio business... influence peddling baga. :-X
Sir Akyat...
A very very bright idea... it just proves that Jim really acknowledges the existense of our group?
Yeah, I know several guys here who are, at one point of their window-shopping life, Spectra bystanders.
And I do like browsing through all of Hyperaudio's items, Architectural Audio, Sights and Sounds, etc, etc...
Si Rene nga sabihin mo lang ako si "blank" sa PinoyDVD eh sasabihin... "Aaaahhh... ikaw pala si blank?..., kumusta na yong binibenta mong ganito-ganun?".
Why don't we ask the mods here if they have plans of going the next level, I mean, it wouldn't hurt us members if PinoyDVD charges for the IDs.
Andami ko nang nabili sa mga malls dahil sa influence ng PinoyDvD or at least the added knowledge that made me decide to buy this and that from a particular store.(http://www.pinoydvd.com/images/sitelogo.gif)
Imagine your handle or name printed/embossed on a PinoyDVD card... and of course the discounts benefit. Man!, there are thousands of us in here. heheh
kung pipili ako ng dealer, dun ako sa Architectural Audio, sana lahat ng brands carry nila para dun na lang ako bibili hehehe... o kaya Spectra, i remember pinuntahan pa nila Jim yung bahay ni gutierez. ;D
how about a pinoydvd membership card na may priority sa service? tutal marami naman ditong lurker na nasa audio business... influence peddling baga. :-X
haaaay, kung nagbabasa lang ng Pinoydvd ang owner ng 5th/Super/Avesco at nakita nila ang "lost sales" siguro wala na tayo problema. :-\
if your looking for quality brands and excellent customer service, Architectural Audio is the one for you....
...The threat of being exposed in this forum for their lapses might straigthne them up.
Bakit nyo ba tinitira itong "More than Short" na ispeker, ha? Ito pa naman ang pinaka-unang brand na bilib ako, way back in 1993. I just can't recall that model anymore; t'was a two way floorstander, all black, retailed for P17K that time.
Medyo OT but I want to share my experience.
Akyat-bundok, have you brought to MS manufaturer?
I use to own an old B&W model2002, matagal kong di ginamit. When I tried to used this speaker again both my tweety is dead.
I tried to talked to B&W distributor (I think TOYAMA INC.) they told me wala na daw driver para sa speaker ko because its an old model na 1997 pa yata. They refer me to their authorized service center, Its located at West Avenue (no need to mention the named) cause they give a weird suggestion. Pa-rewind ko na lang daw tweeter ko!
What I tried nag email ako sa B&W UK. That same day a certain Mr. Long called me. Hinigni yung postal address ko. They send me 1pair of B&W tweeter for the model2002, FOC. I got it after a week via TNT Skypack, wala ako binayaran. Now thats what you call SERVICE EXCELLENCE!!!
Why dont you try to contact MS directly, baka tawagan nila and 5th avenue to replace your dead tweety since new model pa yata yan.
Just my peso
cheers :)
Bakit nyo ba tinitira itong "More than Short" na ispeker, ha? Ito pa naman ang pinaka-unang brand na bilib ako, way back in 1993. I just can't recall that model anymore; t'was a two way floorstander, all black, retailed for P17K that time.
Good question Positve_noise. Here's what I did.
First I used an Onkyo 100 watt RMS HT receiver. I had the speakers bi-wired with generic 12 gauge for the LF and 16 gauge for the HF. I had the speakers mass-loaded with dry bistay sand. I set them on their spiked feet. Next I play my favourite movies or music at half volume either the whole afternoon or evening on weekends (when at home) and about 2-3 hours every night after office. Then play for about 20 minutes a few selections from a CD in the morning while waiting for the bath water to heat up. That's all i can remember. And I play mostly pop revivals of the 60s and 70s, jazz fussion and ensemble, both instrumetnal and with vocals, and some classical music. So i'd appreciate if you can point out what i did wrong to misuse the speakers.
av_phile,
have you already tried what crisel did?
Maybe MS UK can directly get in touch with its customers if they get to know their problem.
Who knows, baka nahihirapan 5th Avenue is because no support also from MS.
Then give feedback. so that if ever masira din MS namin, we know what to do.
bro av_phile,
Baka hindi naman mis use baka Over use! aba maghapon pala ang gamit mo! masisira talaga yan... He3x! ;D
enjoy!
positive_noise. ;D
Had a DTX and Wharfedale before this, same listening sked, even more, same amp, no problem. Draw your conclusions.
Nakupo, Darth Crisel, hindi kaya yan ang cause dun sa "complain" mo with Upscale?
...then we'll go back to the first which ms speaker are little bit weaker which ms user wouldn't agree! baka meron ka pang ginawang ibang experimento sa speaker mo?? i notice mahilig kang mag experiment.
enjoy!
positive_noise. ;)
I'll keep that offer in mind. Valid until December 2004? ;D
yehey! sir av_phile, the black 914 doesn't exhibit the woofer problems when subject to the same usage? i'll contact you on december ha if i'm not broke... december does that to me sometimes. ;D ;D
mods, kung magkaroon man ng Pinoydvd discount card, bili ako nyan... matagal pa ako mananatili sa hobby na ito siguro 3 dekada pa, o hanggang mabingi ako, whichever comes first... baka sampung brands pa ma-try ko sa time na yan (3yrs average ownership ok na rin di ba?)... isali niyo ang SF at REL heheheh. ;D ;D
ok mga suggestion nyo mga sir... wala bang customer satisfaction rating ang mga dealers tulad ng auto dealers sa US? kung mag Pinoydvd award of excellence na very proudly naka-display sa pinto eh di okey bumili dun.
AV_phile should be grateful to 5th Avenue in the first place for having entertained his warranty claim. According to nels and as admitted by AV-phile, he is not the first owner of the damaged MS 914 and therefore, any warranty claims made by him even if within the warranty period should no longer be entertained much less considered. I am aware that warranty claims are available only to the original purchaser of the product and this is not, as a general rule, transferable to the 2nd owner - simply for lack of privity between the seller and the 2nd owner. In short, 5th Avenue is under no obligation to restitute his speakers at no cost to him since there is no more warranty to speak of.
With due respect, the sales personnel of 5th Avenue are very courteous and customer-friendly, nothwithstanding av_phile's claim to the contrary.
Clear and Concise, audioslave.
Think about this...
Imagine if it is your own business being attacked on the net by, let's say, unsatisfied customers.
Somethings will not be fair.
The dealer (in this case 5th ave) will not have the chance to air his side. We can make our stories against the dealer. We don't know if it's true or not. Can only be confirmed if both sides can be heard. And yet the dealer is being attacked. And potential sales may be lost. Is that fair if it's done to your own business?
Professionalism goes there.
Remember the refurbished DENON incident?
Someone was complaining. And yet still, he made some diplomacy by not mentioning the store where he bought it.
TV, Radio, Internet is open to everyone. We can make so many claims and stories but make sure it will be fair to everyone.
Let's be responsible.
kimpao,
bro... inflammatory that's why I have to delete it...
;)
kimpao,
bro... inflammatory that's why I have to delete it...
;)
pero tuloy pa rin tayo sa PinodyDVD card na idea ni sir Akyat... yahooo!!!
para bang TechNet or MCP card ng Microsoft. eheheh
Akyat,
Musta na sir speaker mo??
By the way a mole from upscale told me na you're eyeing the SF CA. Kung gusto mo magmukhang luma bago mo uwi, sa place ko 1 month lang punong-puno na alikabok yan ;D I'm near NLEX :)
cheers
hey thanks everyone, after going through some of my CD's and listening at normal to relatively loud volume level, i think i'm ready for more overdrive hehehe.
seriously, some of our members have a practice of turning off everything before touching any cable... i think i'll do that too from now on.
wakatta sempai!
nakuha ko na... whew! pareho pa rin ang tunog, di na kailangan ng break-in... satisfied naman ako sa naging resulta dahil binalik yung defective tweeter at mukhang iningatan naman yung speaker... nilagyan pa ng warranty seal para huwag ko buksan hehehe.
hey thanks everyone, after going through some of my CD's and listening at normal to relatively loud volume level, i think i'm ready for more overdrive hehehe.
seriously, some of our members have a practice of turning off everything before touching any cable... i think i'll do that too from now on.
wakatta sempai!
congrats pare!!!
hey thanks everyone, after going through some of my CD's and listening at normal to relatively loud volume level, i think i'm ready for more overdrive hehehe.
seriously, some of our members have a practice of turning off everything before touching any cable... i think i'll do that too from now on.
wakatta sempai!
ot.. akyat pede na yang isabak sa stress test para humabol yung bagong tweeter.. listening session na yan.. ;D ;D
parang gusto ko ngang i-testing ulit kung tama nga ang diagnosis ko na changing cables ang naging dahilan... try ko kaya ulit? baka naman mali ako... hehehe joke lang.
My senses tell me na Evo 1 and Evo 3 ang bilhin ni Akyat hehehe
parang gusto ko ngang i-testing ulit kung tama nga ang diagnosis ko na changing cables ang naging dahilan... try ko kaya ulit? baka naman mali ako... hehehe joke lang.
may alam ba kayong paraan para ma-testing ko yung binalik na tweeter? sa itsura eh malinis pa mukhang wala naman sira... saan ba nasisira yun?
Most likely in the coil windings. Either nag-open dahil sa stress, over-current dahil overdriven daw. Using an ohmeter can check if it's open. Or shorted,
benta mo muna 303 then tsaka ka bili EVO1 para masaya ;D ;D
yikes, is that what they mean by "open tweeter", that it's shorted? the service report says "open tweeter".. buti na lang hindi ko tinest sa amp baka mag-short na naman hehe... i better frame it and hang it on the wall as a reminder. ;D ;D ;D ;D
why not invest on branded speaker cables and interconnects....
some speaker cables and ICs would impart a warm sonic quality while others would just give a natural sound which all boils down to your personal preference.... so if you want to change the sonic characteristic of your front end, just hook up another set of ICs or cables and you will be able to hear the difference....
i'm not a believer of these in my infantile days as a hobbyist but when I heard Bobby's (Isak0411) set up and heeded Carlos' (carlos888) persistent recommendation, I can now attest to the fact that cables and ICs are the missing link to our incessant and perpetual search for audio nirvana.....
;)
audioslave, nakita ko na setup ni bobby... i'm not worthy!!
yup sa CD player si james ang bida.
pero sa tube amp mo... ;) ;) ano kaya pagawa ako kay master andrew ng monobloc tulad niyan?
tulungan kita maghanap ng ST70 hehehe... ano ba susunod na bestbuy mo hans, baka turntable naman, may nakita ako nasa taytay rizal nga lang.
yup sa CD player si james ang bida.
pero sa tube amp mo... ;) ;) ano kaya pagawa ako kay master andrew ng monobloc tulad niyan?
tulungan kita maghanap ng ST70 hehehe... ano ba susunod na bestbuy mo hans, baka turntable naman, may nakita ako nasa taytay rizal nga lang.
Akyat,
Was able to audition EVo1 and first thing na naisip ko is yun 912 ni Nels76 parang similar in bass department, high yun mid laid back din.. but i maybe wrong.. :) :)
Guys,
Any idea on the price of MS 912 bookshelf?? :)
Hans,
Yup.
Nag iisip nga din ako now kasi a friend/client told me that he may buy me a 912 as a gift and to be used as my surround speakers (JBL fronts).
Gusto ko nga sabihin na i cash na lang so that I can choose other speakers hehehe. Sabi ko nung una 914 pero di pumayag hangang 912 lang daw budget.
Anyway, who am I para tumangi di ba.. ;D
Bullet,
Swerte mo naman pre.. consider Sir Narayan advice mas ok yun since you don't neet to buy stand.
bro bullet,
let us know pag nandito ka na. maybe you can join the listening sessions para ma-meet mo din the other pinoydvd members :D
Bro. Narayan,
Thanks for the invitation and it would be my honor to join in any of your listening sessions when I arrive there.
For now, I'm enjoying reading thru the experiences of you guys.
Still using the MF amp? :D
Naku.. OT na yata.
akyat,
Pre still can't forget the sound of Ms908 mo with my amp.. hinahanap ko :( :-\ wish ko another session :-[
match pala e, bili na ng ms908 ;D
Has anyone removed the metal grill off an MS tweeter? I think the manual recommends this to bring out more highs.
Akyat and narayan,
Hope one more session and i can decide kung talagang ganun pa rin. hay gastos gastos :-[ btw yun session pwede na schedule ulit. ::)
John,
Hope nga.. baka lang nadala ako sa looks ng Ms908 mmh pero di ko malimutan :D
John,
Hope nga.. baka lang nadala ako sa looks ng Ms908 mmh pero di ko malimutan :D
pre.. 908 na love mo ngayun ha.. ;D ;D
Has anyone removed the metal grill off an MS tweeter? I think the manual recommends this to bring out more highs.
sebman and j_albert,
mmmh hirap pre both maganda in my dreams lang siguro ang 908.
session na ba hans? kelan? hehe ;)
experiment pa ako sa bagong baby eh, sinisinok pa hindi pa kaya tumapat sa baby mo. ;D ;D
pero may plan na mag tubes, 6 months ahead. :-X
Zephyr,
Sir may PM ka. ;D
Has anyone removed the metal grill off an MS tweeter? I think the manual recommends this to bring out more highs.
John,
Hope nga.. baka lang nadala ako sa looks ng Ms908 mmh pero di ko malimutan :D
av_phile1, i can help you with this one.
i can try removing the grill off my replaced tweeter and report my findings.
hey guys, ano ang agenda?
pre - how much do the 908's cost?
just got a text from my sales rep... he says the ms908 is P29,500 with 20% off till end of feb.
so i guess: P23,600
devils advocate.. kuya hans.. konti na lang dagdag sa B4.. hehehehe peacee ;D ;)
j_albert22.. ampunin mo na yung B4 ni hans.. ;D
zephyr.. pag makaka-join ka.. kaw na lang hatid-sundot sa B4 ko.. kung oks lang.. para mapalaban din sa session yung B4 ko.. unless dadalhin na ni hans yung B4 nya.. para ma-audition na ni j_albert.. hehehe
difference between the Declaration and Avant? hmmm... can't tell bro except for some cosmetic changes, though MS said Avant is an evolution of the Declaration with slightly different woofer and cabinet.
zephyr.. pag makaka-join ka.. kaw na lang hatid-sundot sa B4 ko.. kung oks lang.. para mapalaban din sa session yung B4 ko.. unless dadalhin na ni hans yung B4 nya.. para ma-audition na ni j_albert.. hehehe
Bro, may family affair ako that date.
Sayang nga lang at regular family (reunion) affair ito. Saka baka pag dyan ako pumunta baka multuhin tayo ng erpats ko dahil hindi ako bumisita sa kanyang puntod sa araw na ito. ;)
sebman,
pre, daanan nalang kita.
thanks pre.. basta sundot-hatid yun ha.. hehehe ;D ;) or pede rin ke akyat yung hatid.. baka gusto nyang dalawin si "K" sa angono.. hehehehe
pre, baka ma-censor tayo sa sundot-hatid. ;D ;D ;D ;D ahehehehe. no problem sunduin kita at ihahatid pm mo lang yung directions :)
buti nga si akyat sa angono lang ako binangonan pa :-\
alam niyo yung mga pa pm pm na yan may nangyayari ng upgrades diyan ;D ;D ;D ;D isa rinsa sintomas ng SARs yan. ahehehehehe ;D
thanks pre.. basta sundot-hatid yun ha.. hehehe ;D ;) or pede rin ke akyat yung hatid.. baka gusto nyang dalawin si "K" sa angono.. hehehehe
Sebman,
Was texting J-albert about the .... deal pero no final yet.. hehehe
J-albert,
pre wait ka lang sir by next week baka decision time na..
Iceman,
Pre balita ko eh nsa yo na raw yan B&w303 wowow ok na ok yan sir congrats.
posting for narayan...
reviews of the MS-914:
what hi-fi (5 stars) (http://203.131.66.146:8080/914a.pdf)
hi-fi choice (5 stars) (http://203.131.66.146:8080/914b.pdf)
thanks bro, the reviews will bring smiles to zephyr, av_phile and coolkiks :D
at the request of av_phile1, i'm posting here how to remove the tweeter grill:
WARNING: at your own risk!
i have the luxury of playing around with a damaged tweeter that was returned to me when i had it replaced... i wouldn't recommend doing this at all.
but it was surprisingly easy to do since the damaged tweeter has been removed from the box... first i inserted a nylon string like this:
(http://203.131.66.146:8080/tweet0.jpg)
then i pulled... it didn't take much to pull it out... i thought originally that the grill was lodged deeper, but it turns out it was just lying on the surface... you could easily see the dried adhesive where the grill used to be.
(http://203.131.66.146:8080/tweet1.jpg)
i wouldn't recommend doing this for 2 reasons:
1) the dried adhesive is visible, not exactly a pretty sight.
2) the tweeter has no protection.
if you notice the picture above, there's a small chink close to the center... good thing its just a damaged tweeter that's good for experimentation... i'm really a klutz, while trying to put the grill back on, the grill suddenly flew off my fingers... the tweeter magnet was that strong... well, the grill bounced on the aluminum surface and caused that tiny deformity... with that in mind and avoiding the flying grill, the grill attaches back to its original spot with the strength of the magnet... but with all the vibrations on the speaker box, i'm not sure if it would stay there without fresh adhesive.
So it seems the tweeter dome is easily dented. I recall the wharfedale dome tweeters and those of many other brands are fully exposed. Seems only the MS has a grill in them, could be wrong ofcourse.
Bro Akyat, woud those adhesive marks still be visible if the tweeters are in the cabinet? Thanks.
blowing thru the rear port won't be much help coz the tweeter assembly is sealed in a plastic structure... i keep telling my friend that's the only hope for his deformed dust cap (baby daughter fingered it), just don't let the wife catch you. :-*
av-phile
Pre meron di grill yun sa bronze series ng MA..
you can take grill off MA, some people prefer it (and their manual noted this). its held by magnet i think :>
Nel76,
Sige try ko magdriver sa sat para marinig ko ulit yan 912 mo text kita kung pwede ako sir..
Will there be noticeable difference between "Grilled Tweeter" and "Un-Grilled Tweeter".
other speakers also have something partially covering their tweeter:
- Energy Connoisseur
- PSB Alpha, Image
- Yamaha NS, HX
- others ??
akyat,
Wish wish ko rin na sana meron magdala ng 914.. ;D
if the listening session is firmed up na for this coming sat. feb. 28, cant join you guys :'(. kung sa angono naman ang session, katabi lang yan ng binangonan and heard na meron daw may MS914s dyan and may offer naman na sundot hatid ;D
re: removing the tweeter grill, hmmm i guess that depends on whether the benefit of removing it outweighs the benefit of keeping it... that can vary from owner to owner... keep us posted bro we're interested in your findings...
i even keep the speaker grills on coz i get distracted by the speaker i keep looking at them left & right. ;D
sir narayan.. kina akyat pa rin ang listening session.. baka mapunta lang don yung B4 ko.. hmmmm si zephyr me 914 na?? congrats .. ;)
sir narayan.. kina akyat pa rin ang listening session.. baka mapunta lang don yung B4 ko.. hmmmm si zephyr me 914 na?? congrats .. ;)
Sorry guys can't come either may lakad din ako sa Feb 28. Whats the fuss ba sa 914 ???Sebman
Sir nung december pa ho, would have gone for the MA B4 pero mas madaling i-protect yung speaker ng 914 kaysa B4 sa mga poking hands ng mga kids ko. he he he :)
But for the price vs B4, the 914 is definitely a good buy. Sound wise perhaps you could drop by my house and hear the difference.
BTW san ka ba sa Angono, perhaps I could drop by sa inyo naman.... and have me listen to your B4. ;D
ot..pre.. malapit lang ako sa likod ng munisipyo ng angono.. cge pre schedule natin.. ;D kaw san sa binangonan?
Sa may Quarry rd. Pantok, malapit sa papunta ng St. Monique Valais Sbd.
Yung office ko dyan din sa Angono, sa may tabi ng sementeryo.
PM na lang tayo sir kung kelan. Thanks again.
Sebman,
Text kimpao para sa saturday pre..
:o :o :o :o :o hala ka sebman :o :o :o :o :o :o mwehehehehehe.
Anong nangyari sa session nung sabado?
Anong nangyari sa session nung sabado?
after hearing MS 902s...
might consider this speaker for audio &/or surrounds...if ever diko makakita ng 302...
nice meeting u guys...
thanks...
Blade. 8)
audioslave, discounted na ba yan?
Blade,
balita ko sa 5th Ave wla na ata MS902 bka next month yun shipment of new stocks. nice meeting you sir.
Av_phile,
May I ask as to how did you mass load your MS 914s?
Specifically, I want to know the following:
1. What material you used and special preparation
2. Volume of material put inside
3. Any special or suggested way of putting in material
4. Any observations before and after massloading.
TIA bro ;)
Av_phile,
May I ask as to how did you mass load your MS 914s?
Specifically, I want to know the following:
1. What material you used and special preparation
2. Volume of material put inside
3. Any special or suggested way of putting in material
4. Any observations before and after massloading.
TIA bro ;)
i read somewhere that aside from socks or foam, you can use plastic straws... this was for my previous AE speakers, some users did this to tighten up the bass.
The compartment for mass-loading MS914 is a separate chamber isolated from the rest of the cabinet housing the drivers so there is no danger of sand getting into the drivers. So a plastic bag isn't necessary. I realize some speaker cabinets don't have such a chamber so a plastic bag is in order.
sir buti you mentioned that. i remembered an experience. kasi when i visited 5th avenue before to check MS speakers, i noticed the mass-loading chamber so i asked the salesman if its adviseable to put sand fillings. sabi nya hindi daw. kasi daw yung isang customer na naglagay ng buhangin nasira daw yung speaker kasi dumikit daw yung buhangin sa magnet ng speakers ;D ;D ;D
you mentioned that it is a separate chamber, that only means the salesman doesn't know the product he's selling ;D
wawa naman mga naging at magiging customer nya. misinformed sila.
pang softdrinks Sir, bale magiging madaming maliliit na butas yung port imbes na isang malaki...
mga repapips... just wanna know if anyone of you guys would want to get my 914s? it's 3 months old and will be turning 4 months on the 27th kaya good as new talaga sya. nilipat ko kase audio set up ko from the living room to a small vacant room upstairs where i converted it into a music room. the 914 is an overkill... the bass is flooding the entire area and is just too much to handle...
:-*
kimpao,
try ko yung m32 sa WATT HI FI.... mukhang babagay sa small room ko yun! what other stand mount speakers ang maganda ngayon bro? preferably 90db and above and the price should not exceed what I would get from the sale .... he he he!!
::)
Ahahahaha! kaya pala andun ka kanila carlos. ;D Sir, try mo rin yung klipsch RB-25 at spectra. 94db sensitivity, 8 ohm, 75 watts. not so sure if that's the one priced at 16k
try mo rin yung klipsch RB-25 at spectra. 94db sensitivity, 8 ohm, 75 watts. not so sure if that's the one priced at 16k
good thing the RA-02 can drive 4 ohms speakers. but once you hook it to the RA-02's binding posts, you can no longer use the other set of speaker terminals.
sir Narayan is likewise driving his 914s using a Rotel amp and he's very happy with it.... so do I. but the sad thing is, I'm letting go my 914s to switch to either B&W 602, MA S2 or a Mission M32 or to any other models which I might find suitable to my present needs.
:-*
Despite the parting words with my 914, I still love my 902 and nothing can take it away from my HT system.
I also saw some MS premier systems at Abenson (also affiliated with Avesco, if not mistaken). Seems they're trying to widen their distribution.
Philander,
i think next month pa daw darating yung new shipment nila. hopefully, the 914s would be among those that are coming. meron pa namang 914s dun sa 5th Ave - SM North EDSA Cyberzone ah, why not drop by and take a look at it...
:-*
one minute excitement... thanks, anyway just called them, wala na din daw sila...
kimpao and i were at 5th ave park square the other day and they said that the new batch of MS speakers are in customs already but did not confirm nor deny if it is the avant line. in short d alam nung kausap namin.
well, if you're in a hurry to get the 914's, you can buy mine...
:-*
The 900 series starting with 912, 914, and subs 907 and 909 were renamed CLASSIC.
what's the difference between the 904 & 914? from the site, the only thing i could tell is that the 904 uses a first order crossover, while the 914 has a 2nd order crossover...
anything else? what came first?
MS Declaration Speakers are now on sale at 5th Avenue. 30% discount.
MS 908 is now only 20650
MS 906 is now only 14595
Center is now only 6160
MS Declaration Speakers are now on sale at 5th Avenue. 30% discount.
MS 908 is now only 20650
MS 906 is now only 14595
Center is now only 6160
New series will be here by next week.... kaya sinale is pinauubos na yung mga old series.
naykopo..... mura 'to ah..... nag-sale din ba ng subs?
MS-908 is a passive long-throw woofer, not a passive radiator..... i
You mean an active long-throw woofer...?
Akyat,
Oo nga broken in na MS908 mo kaya yakang yaka ng AMX 8 watts super triode amp..
MS Declaration Speakers are now on sale at 5th Avenue. 30% discount.
MS 908 is now only 20650
MS 906 is now only 14595
Center is now only 6160
New series will be here by next week.... kaya sinale is pinauubos na yung mga old series.
parang ang sarap tuloy mag-upgrade ng speakers sa HT. ;D ;D ;D
Still on sale at 30% discount.
The following models only:
502 (powered woofer) about 45K only from more than 65K
902
903s
904
905c
906
302
304c
308 (subwoofer)
sir phil,
any idea on how much the 902 cost without the discount. Tnx :D
Mordaunt Short fans,
At almost the same price, which is the better buy (regardless of price), the new MS Classic 914 (Php 15,120) or the MS 906 (Php 14595)?
Thanks.
one of the 914 users got his pair for less than 13k which is cheaper than most competing bookshelf speakers w/ stand.
parang kilala ko yata ung mama na yun ;D
Still on sale at 30% discount.
The following models only:
502 (powered woofer) about 45K only from more than 65K
902
903s
904
905c
906
302
304c
308 (subwoofer)
parang kilala ko yata ung mama na yun ;D
according to the specs the 906 has a much lower frequency response, right? anyway, the 914 only has a single driver but the 906 has 2 which is bass and mid/bass drivers. hmmmm.... i think the only way to go about it is to audition both. again, everything will boil down to ones own preference, diba? sir phil, better to bring another set of ears, mas maganda. :D
sir phil,
any idea on how much the 905c cost now and how would you rate it against 304c. Got a pair each of 914 and 912 already and planning to get either a center or sub. Im more leaning on getting a sub but it budget allows it might get the center first he he he. :)
Don't be misled by seeing two bass drivers. The ms906 uses two 130mm(5") woofers while the ms914 uses a single 165mm(6.5") woofer. Knowing that for a given input, a larger woofer cone area can displace greater air mass, the ms914's single 6.5" cone area isn't far behind that of the 906's combined 5 inchers. There's just a 18% increase in cone area.
When I and my office colleagues auditioned the 906 last Christmas, we weren't as impressed as the mighty 908 in the bass department. We then settled for the 914 that sounded more focused and the bass no different but with a more attractive price tag. And since my colleague was going to get the 909W sub anyway, we felt we didn't need the slam of the 908. In fact, we almost got the 912 if not for the fact that together with a stand, it didn't offer much price advantage over the floorstander that would eat the same real estate floor space. So while I was drooling at that KEF Q floorstander at Sound Dimension, it was virtually a no brainer for me to ride on with my colleague's nice discounts so i got another 914 and a center. ;D
Justifying the 914 over the 906 may not be entirely meaningful but let me try:
To my ears, 2-way systems never fail to sound sweeter and more focused than a 3-way system in the same brand series. From someone who have had complex 3-way 4 speaker systems from Sansui in the past, hearing those new 2-way speakers seem like a refreshing antidote. I can correlate that with the technical simplicity of crossover designs which, in a 3-way system, can demand a level of complexity only the more expensive speakers can overcome. 2-way systems can approach the breathtaking simplicity of single point source full range speakers without the high frequency roll-off.
Peculiar to the 906 is its implementation of a 2.5 way crossover using 2nd order design for LF and 1st order for HF. While 2.5 way designs are fairly common (typical when you see two identical woofers and one tweeter), I am a bit uncomfortable with the 2nd order and 1st order disparity between LF and HF, respectively. 2nd order means the signal is phase- shifted 180 degress from the input while the 1st order means a 90 degree shift. In effect, you have a 90 degree phase disparity between the bass and the rest of the drivers. That means there's a lobing or tilting of the bass dispersion pattern relative to the mids and highs, when it should not. Phase shifts may not be entirely audible (that's arguable). You just won't hear the bass as you tilt your head or move around the speakers while the other freqeuncies are still heard. Or it can be very choosy in terms of speaker placement to yield the best soundstage. Not really serious, but I find it disturbing to know that my drivers are not in sync in terms of phase relationship. If I didn't know, it may not matter. But I know. And now you know as well. ;D
It may be argued that MS may have done something to compensate for this. But that would unnecessarily complicate the crossover network, doesn't it? Not unless one of the woofers has an inherent 90 degree shift to begin with. Which I doubt.
OTH the 914 uses a straightforward 2-way 2nd order design for both LF and HF. The signals are phase shifted by 180 degrees. So easy to compensate by simply reversing the polarities of the drivers in the speaker box to regain absolute phase.
So there goes a biased assessment from a 914 user. ;D (I really liked the KEF Q floorstander better.)
Yes, the SRP of MS906 is Php 20850.
I'm comparing the two (regardless of the price) because they have disadvantages and advantages over the other.
The MS914 has bigger woofer, though single only in much bigger and heavier enclosure (effective enclosure volume). OTOH, the MS906 contains smaller but 2 woofers.
Now, which is the better choice?
905c is now only Php 6,160 from 8,800.00
guys, isn't it strange they have a 30% discount on them 902's yet they're out of stock?
why not offer a 99% discount since they're out of stock anyway.... hehehe just being a wise-as$. O0
Recently, MA and Wharfs have their price increases and yet these speakers are on sale. wonder why?????? ??? hehehe....
ah, ok. ever tried those muscle amps (acurus, hafler, accuphase) on a 908 or 906?
yan ang maganda sa 5th ave kung mag-sale eh talagang SALE..... i remember when they phased out Acoustic Research they were selling the top-rated bookshelf for 6k (forgot the model)..... and then when they phased out Epos they sold the ES14 for only 14k with stand!
905c is now only Php 6,160 from 8,800.00
Not sure about 304c, better call them:
5th Shang: 633-8315 to 17
5th ParkS1: 8178756 to 58
.............. Don't be misled by seeing two bass drivers. The ms906 uses two 130mm(5") woofers while the ms914 uses a single 165mm(6.5") woofer. Knowing that for a given input, a larger woofer cone area can displace greater air mass, the ms914's single 6.5" cone area isn't far behind that of the 906's combined 5 inchers. There's just a 18% increase in cone area.
When I and my office colleagues ..........
.....there goes a biased assessment from a 914 user. ;D (I really liked the KEF Q floorstander better.)
Still on sale at 30% discount.
The following models only:
502 (powered woofer) about 45K only from more than 65K
902
903s
904
905c
906
302
304c
308 (subwoofer)
guys, isn't it strange they have a 30% discount on them 902's yet they're out of stock?
why not offer a 99% discount since they're out of stock anyway.... hehehe just being a wise-as$. O0
guys,
i don't know if this is funny or not please do correct me if i'm wrong. anyway, passed by 5th Ave. Park Square to take good look at the newer MS Models (Avant). Was looking at a 914 Classic and a 906 Classic, funny this guy(supervisor ata yun dun) suddenly approached me and told me that those were the newer 914 and 906 Avant models. Geeshhhh...... I told him that these were the older models and not the newer ones as i described to him that the most obvious difference between them is that the Avant series sports a "radial ribbed driver cone" and the Classic dosen't. Another thing, the Avant series didn't came out with a 914 model but instead a 904 model. Funny thing is that he kept on insisting that those were the Avant Series and that they already sold all their stocks of the Classic series (kaya di na daw sale yun). Ok no problem, out of curiosity, so what i did was asked for another stock of the "Avant 906". Sheeeeeeeeeesh!!!!! to the guy's surprise the fresh stock that was brought to us sported a "ribbed cone" and the other 906 didn't. Funny, he kept on insisting that both 906 were avant series. ;D ;D What i did was i gave him my cel # and told him to text me and prove which is which. Hay..... :-\ :-\ if he was able to give me the correct details i would have bought a pair of MS Speakers for my HT upgrade right there and then. :P :P
He didn't know you that's why he kept on insisting. Kung alam nya lng KIMPAO is the the ST President of PDVD and updated at all times, hehehe.... >:D >:D >:D
PEACE Bro!!!!
Ahahahaha!!!! di naman, pre.
OT lang. Pre, musta na yung niluluto mo? Mukhang masarap yan ah!!!! >:D >:D >:D
He didn't know you that's why he kept on insisting. Kung alam nya lng KIMPAO is the the ST President of PDVD and updated at all times, hehehe.... >:D >:D >:D
PEACE Bro!!!!
Honga. Di ka niya nakilala na ikaw ay si Don Kimpao. Kung nakilala ka lang non baka nanikluhod pa iyon. O0
guys,
i don't know if this is funny or not please do correct me if i'm wrong. anyway, passed by 5th Ave. Park Square this afternoon to take good look at the newer MS Models (Avant), tinakasan ko lang sila hans sa phasetron ;D ;D. Was looking at a 914 Classic and a 906 Classic, funny this guy(supervisor ata yun dun) suddenly approached me and told me that those were the newer 914 and 906 Avant models. Geeshhhh...... I told him that these were the older models and not the newer ones as i described to him that the most obvious difference between them is that the Avant series sports a "radial ribbed driver cone" and the Classic dosen't. Another thing, the Avant series didn't came out with a 914 model but instead a 904 model. Funny thing is that he kept on insisting that those were the Avant Series and that they already sold all their stocks of the Classic series (kaya di na daw sale yun). Ok no problem, out of curiosity, so what i did was asked for another stock of the "Avant 906". Sheeeeeeeeeesh!!!!! to the guy's surprise the fresh stock that was brought to us sported a "ribbed cone" and the other 906 didn't. Funny, he kept on insisting that both 906 were avant series. ;D ;D What i did was i gave him my cel # and told him to text me and prove which is which. Hay..... :-\ :-\ if he was able to give me the correct details i would have bought a pair of MS Speakers for my HT upgrade right there and then. :P :P
Just a small correction, the old series of 906 is called Declaration series not 906 classic
Just confirms what I have always known about the sales people at 5th makati. They know virtually nothing of what they are selling.
oooh :o BTW guys been to 5th Ave Shangrila this pm, saw the Avant series of MS and would just like to note that the set of speakers there came in maple color. I was rather looking for a cherry colored 509c to match my 912s/914s at home but the ones there are in maple color only.
Kaya lang Bro Phil bakit P6,255 ho ??? ??? ??? mas mahal ba dyan sa Shangrila :o :o :o
Yung pagka maple nito ayos lang sa tingin ko, medyo may dating. Hindi na rin masama kung imatch with my cherry colored set. he he he :)
BTW may Avant 902 sa Shangrila, saw a pair color maple pero parang mayroon din black pair dun akong nakita. Its SRP is P8,950, -10% daw pag cash.
I might be colored-blind already. Ano ba difference ng maple color sa cherry color? ;D Looking at the MS site, seems to me their new honey maple color looks the same as the cherry color I have.sir mas light lang ng konti yung honey maple from the cherry. honey maple is like MAs' beech color.
Honga. Di ka niya nakilala na ikaw ay si Don Kimpao. Kung nakilala ka lang non baka nanikluhod pa iyon. O0
I might be colored-blind already. Ano ba difference ng maple color sa cherry color? ;D Looking at the MS site, seems to me their new honey maple color looks the same as the cherry color I have.
oooh :o BTW guys been to 5th Ave Shangrila this pm, saw the Avant series of MS and would just like to note that the set of speakers there came in maple color. I was rather looking for a cherry colored 509c to match my 912s/914s at home but the ones there are in maple color only.
new reviews:
Avant 906
Hi-Fi Choice June 2004
- Don't let its good looks distract you - this is one classy blonde worth listening to! This is a hard speaker to fault at the price.
Avant 902, 904, 905c
Audio - January 2004
- Sound staging is portrayed accurately and with great depth. Every detail is reproduced in minute detail... performed better than any of the other models in this test.
MS-309W subwoofer (http://www.mordaunt-short.co.uk/pdf_review/MS%20309.pdf) (What Hi-Fi PDF)
- Group test winner: AE CompactSub, B&W ASW300, MJ Acoustics Pro50, Monitor Audio ASW100, Vibe Alpha1
MS-909W subwoofer (http://www.homecinemachoice.com/cgi-bin/displayreview.php?reviewid=4061) (Home Cinema Choice PDF)
- Best Buy
Parecompute mo lang ng price baka nagkamali lang ng quote. Been in 5th Shang and ParqS1, both quoted 8800.00 (30% discount). I even saw the SRP list at 5th Shang.
sir mas light lang ng konti yung honey maple from the cherry. honey maple is like MAs' beech color.
Sir!!!!!!! musta na? Tagal mo nanaman nawala, ah. Lan@#ya, pinulutan niyo nanaman ako, ah!!!!Ahehehehehehe ;D ;D ;D ;D
is it just me or did Home Cinema Choice just delete the MS-909w review off their site?
thats what we get for linking hehehe...... anyway...... the entire MS Premiere 5.1 satellite package is also discounted and now costs around 18k...... now this is a good price considering it is a direct competitor of the Energy Take 5, whose sub alone cost me 16k.
which brings me to the bigger one, the 909W..... same features but bigger and louder (12" aluminum cone, 300watts)..... MS makes a booboo in the specs stating freq response down to 30hz only..... the homecinemachoice review measured that it can do 15hz.
Is this satellite package the same as the one reviewed here, except the sub?
http://audioholics.com/productreviews/loudspeakers/5.1SpeakerSystemShootout1.php
at the discounted price of 20k (down from 30k) this is really a good buy.... add the 905 center and 903 bipoles and the whole 5-speaker package is only 33k....sir akyat, how do these speakers compare to the B4 in terms of performance when used for musical applications (audio setup only)?
philander,
Congrats sa new MS914 speaker!!! 8)
Thanks.
Got it na, listened for about 6 hours last evening.. will post initial review later.
So MS Elite club, I'm part of it. ;D :D
Thanks.
Got it na, listened for about 6 hours last evening.. will post initial review later.
So MS Elite club, I'm part of it. ;D :D
Pinaninindigan nayan Master!!!!! >:D Kuha ka na ng MS. ;D ;D ;D ;D
So MS Elite club, I'm part of it. ;D :D
Phialnder,
Wait until it's fully broken in. Gaganda pa mids niyan. Congrats pre. Kailan tayo session sa inyo?
My new slave, the Classic MS914
For about 15K for a pair of speakers, from looks to bass to mids to highs, look no further. Consider MS 914. Reasonably priced at its best.
uh oh..... i can feel the itch..... SARS !!
guys bad news...... the 908's are gone!!
an australian customer bought all remaining units --- 8 pairs in all. >:(
i read the speakers are kinda expensive in other countries, i bet he's gonna ship them somewhere else.... otherwise that's one hell of a setup having 16 large woofers in one room.
in europe they're selling the MS-908 at £499 or roughly Php 50,800.
we're selling it here for roughly Php 20,000 or £196.
less than half = our aussie friend is gonna make big profits!
our aussie friend is gonna make big profits!
Mga sir,
I auditioned the MS 906 and the 914 and the former sounds more full (solid) and the latter sounds just a bit less of the same qualities but crisp. The price is almost the same. What would you recommend for fronts the 906 or the 914 being the newer model? Am confused kasi both seem to be great speakers for me am no expert though for use in ht and music 50/50 need some expert advise for a good buy and investment for the long term. ??????
Nels,
Bi pole maganda... sabay ka sir sure kaso problem sa paguwi sa QC ako na uwi :-\ :-\ di na sa Pasay..
wala na ba Avant Black 905C?
::)
Sir I asked the guys from 5th Ave wala daw in black. I gather from your reacts and persistence on the black that going benetton on the speakers where having a maple center and black standers is not a good idea. Tama ba sir? Besides the 914 had a good review from you sir Philaderer so choosing the lesser evil of going all maple against a black TV than having a chopsuey set? ::)
if its any consolation, the center's grill is black.
so if u watch in front of the tv it will look 95% black.... hehe ;)
mine is also chopseuy, maple fronts and black center/rears.
Balik QC ka master?
Hi Philander,
After a long trip from the province, I'm back to learn you're now a bonafide member of the MS club. Congrats on your new 914. Did you also replace your center?
sir akyat
ang linis ah! kelan ka nag-benta ng mga ibang amps mo. Ahihihihihi ;D ;D ;D ;D
slayer
musta pre! tahimik ka ata ngayon mukhang iwas SARS. :D
I think they have the new Avant 905C in black, maybe the one that they dont have is the Declaration 905. Better call Avesco/5th Avenue
ay onga, thanks philander may pic nga pala ako ng chopseuy setup ko.... pati pala sub ko maple, so 3pcs maple 3pcs black.... sa harap 1 black 2 maple, sa likod naman 1 maple 2 black (patungan ko ng phone at toothpick yun sub)..... actually hinde na rin nga match yung black sa TV ko ngayon kasi pinalitan ko ng silver naman yung TV hehe.
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guys bad news...... the 908's are gone!!
an australian customer bought all remaining units --- 8 pairs in all. >:(
i read the speakers are kinda expensive in other countries, i bet he's gonna ship them somewhere else.... otherwise that's one hell of a setup having 16 large woofers in one room.
confirmed na parekuy. called up my trusted contact @ 5th Avenue Shangrila and he said that there were no Black Avant 905C in stock right now. I'm contemplating on getting the Avant 905C too but for now I think I'll just have to keep my MA Bronze Center until that new Black Avant 905C hits the local market soon.
;D :)
Yes, theres no black Avant 905C yet, but black 905c from Declaration series is still available.
Yes, theres no black Avant 905C yet, but black 905c from Declaration series is still available.
The 909w was the first MS sub to implement the notch filtering that allows you to taper off at most one bass peak frequency in your room.. That was actually one of the better features on the MS sub that no other has. The 309 copied that feature.
narayan.
Sir congrats sa MS914 mo ganda... especially nun naka-hooked sa tube amp.. galing!! >:D >:D
narayan.
Sir congrats sa MS914 mo ganda... especially nun naka-hooked sa tube amp.. galing!! >:D >:D
And natikman din nun MS yun gainclone amp, galing talaga.
Mga sir tanong lang po, what is the correct setting for the receiver for the MS floorstanding fronts and rears? There is an option for "Large" and "Small" speakers. Is it safe to assume that since they are floor standers it can be regarded as 'Large" although I am sure it is not referring to the actual size of the speakers but to the capacity.
When I experimented with the adjustments there was minimal change in the sound but what I want to achieve is to maximize the capacity of the speakers with the AVR so I had to ask this questions sir instead of just relying on what I hear is right or okay.
Salamat!
Thank you Sir AvPhile and Sir Philanderer for the info.
Sir Avphile I will put settings to large set my sub at 45hz and see what happens.
Sir Philaderer sorry for not being more specific I am using HK 5550 and MS 906 for fronts, MS 904 for surround, 905 C for center and MS 309 for sub sir. Paano po sir your recommended settings with these units?
Salamat po! :)
rivalz,
Pre try to set your Center/fronts to Large tapos yun sub to LFE+L+R cutoff 50hz.. surround pwede na small.. ;D :D ganda ng AVR mo sir 8) 8)
Salamat sir for the recommendation will try this setting once I solve the PAL system signal of the OSD since my TV isn't multi system. :( As for the receiver salamat sir for the compli I should be thanking you all at PDVD for the choice sir because of all the input. :)
Pre musta have you found the solution sa PAL problem mo kung multi system TV mo no problem na ata??
Try the MS main distributor... AVESCO
sir tanong lang. wala na bang ibang shop na nag-ooffer ng Mordaunt Short kundi 5th? parang nakakatakot ata bumili sa 5th kapag ganyan. O0
Sir Av_phile,
That is not reasonable prices they are quoting. A jump from 5K to 8k is highway robbery sir! They must have been mistaken.
By the way sir how did the 914's get "overdriven"? I am worried the same thing happened to me when the volume was very high at +5 when they put a new stronger source the speakers were LOUD for 15 seconds!!! Can this damage the speakers? "Overdrive them?" How will you know that the speakers are overdriven? What is the most evident indication?
Thanks for the inputs sir AvPhile am not the culprit here yun nga nakakainis e >:(. I always turn down the volume when changing the souce even in DVD some have stronger audio signals then others so to be on the safe side I do that. But I left the system playing a Bocelli concert to get someting in the garage, before I got back I heard the blaring music of the Viva video start up logo! Yun pala they put come cartoons in! Withought lowering the volume SH#T! Am using the 906 as fronts and 904 as rears and 905C as center using HK 5550. Can the AVR "fry" these speakers sir? Maraming salamat po sir.
By the way sir how did the 914's get "overdriven"? I am worried the same thing happened to me when the volume was very high at +5 when they put a new stronger source the speakers were LOUD for 15 seconds!!! Can this damage the speakers? "Overdrive them?" How will you know that the speakers are overdriven? What is the most evident indication?
Try the MS main distributor... AVESCOThanks sir Philander! :)
kailangan pala dobleng ingat ko sa SUB na bibilhin ko sa kanila ;D
The speakers are fine. Just forget about them after you buy the speakers. ;D And God help you if you invoke any warranty claim. ;D
By the way sir Avphile what do you intent to use as spare for the 914's just in case since you are not considering it from them anymore?
Sir Audioslave
So the NAD has a safety feature which you set to reach safe levels only for the speakers fantastic! Do you set the specs of the speakers into the NAD amp? How does the NAD know the capacity of the speakers being driven? Or is it the safety feature of the NAD itself for not burning up? I beleive the 914's are 150w so if the amp has a peak of 80w then it is within safe range and cannot be "overdriven" unless the volume is maxed like what sir AvPhile said right? Sorry sir daming tanong am trying to get a better understanding of this. Cheers! ;D
Sir avphile do you mean you will get the speakers from the 912 and transfer to the 914 body? I think they have the same driver size and you get spare tweeters and othetr parts as well as you mentioned. Are they that easily interchangeable?
Good you checked sir reefshark. I think much caution must be taken to deal with these guys. By the way did you pay the additional cash they were asking?
(sigh) i thought 5th ave/avesco were going to get their act together... no change, they're still the same.
pros: big discounts
cons: terrible (inconsistent) customer service
the happy customers are the ones who never have to come back and avail of their infamous customer support... and its getting worse, too -- it used to be that you would have problems only when you need to have something fixed... now the problems start right when you're about to get your bnew unit. :-X i guess some MS owners i know were lucky not to have experienced those problems (or did you??).
Bad support is bad for business, maybe someone has to inform 5th ave about their customer support. Sayang, they carry pa naman some good brands. :(
In fairness to 5th, the people i've aired my plaint with are courteous. And the manager seemed compassionate in her responses. It's their mother company AVESCO who have these anti-customer policies the 5th have no choice but to comply with. I've pointed these out to them and all they can do is sound apologetic that they have to comply with these policies.
But, at the end of the day, whether it's 5th or Avesco, the customer is pissed off.
Ganda sir! Magkano kaya magiging selling price nyan dito? And I wonder how the subs look like.
Sana hinde ko ma experience yung bad customer service
ng 5th ave if ever something happened with my MS speakers (crossfinger).
Very satisfied pa naman ako sa ms speakers ko specially sa sub
kahit nasa breakin in stage pa.
Siguro naman nothing will bad happen to my speakers unless
kung kakalikutin ko. ;)
peace......
hans & nels,
thanks,
tama kayo mga sir, depende sa approach ng nagco-complain,
I never expected na mapapalitan nga sya ng bago basta ang habol ko
lang that time ma service sya before this coming friday. :) :) :)
magkano po ang MS subs?
According to the tech guy who discovered this, it's rare for this to happen. Normal wear and tear shouldn't, at least not that early. Not even the local Dai-1chi drivers suffer this fate. More often the foam or rubber butyl surrounds give way first. Your guess is probably as good as mine. I can only think of material failure - the adhesives gave way. Or maybe china-assembled products are not as good as how the red coats do it. At any rate, so far the rugby is holding fast.
There goes the thinking that although China made still with good Q.C. for the products hence no degradation in the quality. Dami pa naman gawa sa China these days. But in fairness I guess the system for checking for Q.C. can't be perfect really.
Sir Av_phile1
There goes the thinking that although China made still with good Q.C. for the products hence no degradation in the quality. Dami pa naman gawa sa China these days. But in fairness I guess the system for checking for Q.C. can't be perfect really.
By the way what kind of music do you listen to? Just curious sir so as to affect such a result from the speakers being labelled "overdriven"?
Cheers!
I said "maybe."
I listen to a wide range of musical genre. From pop, light rock, R&B, Fusion, Jazz, to Classical. Except New age, Disco, heavy rock and techno-synthesizer music.
If a speakers were overdriven beyond it's normal operating range, chances are a clunker system.
cheers!
-SR4-
How would you guage safe or within the limits of normal operating range? Interesting insight.
You sound like positive_noise. Can you define what a "clunker system" is?
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Mr. AV_PHILE1,
I have no business in your arguments with positive_noise, as i have said i would appreciate your post if it is
simple and brief.Just for your information clunker means :
clunk·er
Pronunciation: 'kl&[ng]-k&r
Function: noun
1 : badly working piece of machinery
Please refrain from using me as a tool in getting even with Positive noise, my INDULGENCE! >:(
cheers!
-SR4-
Right on Hans.
Kung tipong magaling ka pa sa kausap mo and ang dating
mo eh you know everything in this world baka maantipatikuhan
lang ang sales person sa iyo.
Just handle it with professionalism. ;)
I am firmly focused on listening to my ear
-SR4-
SR4's signature
bro, you don't listen to your ear
instead, you use your ears to listen
;D ;D >:D >:D
can we stop the sarcasm and personal attacks please? and as far as i know this is an audio thread and not a thread on proper english etc.... anyway I cant help but notice that akyat's MS floorstanders matched my gainclone amp...too bad I cant find this one on sale :(
anyway I cant help but notice that akyat's MS floorstanders matched my gainclone amp...too bad I cant find this one on sale :(
What MS speakers did you use with the gainclone amp sir? Observations? Am very intrigued with these amps.
based on my observations and listening experience at akyat's elevated place, kahit anong set up naman ang patugtugin mo kila akyat, they would always sound good. maybe, the acoustics of akyat's living room have something to do with this or the barometric pressure of a higher altitude is contributing to the better sonic attributes of the system set up. i'm still verifying these from my listening experience but from what i've heard so far or every audio equipment that i hear emanating from an elevated place or a higher altitude (like akyat's 9th floor unit) would always sound exceptionally good or better than good as compared to audio equipment being fired at a lower altitude or at ground or sea level. try it and keep your ears glued to what i've noticed so far and tell me if there's a corroboration .... or is it just a figment of my imagination?? ::)
possible :) but not all setups sounded good at akyat's place.
We tried the gainclone amp with MS 908s. The bass was deep, tight, not boomy. The debate now is whether its just the speakers or the room has something to do with it :) still i liked the sound, it wasn't warm sounding but the sound was balanced.
The sound of the speakers though changed from balanced to sweet sounding when the hybrid gainclone amp was used. both amps though sounded great with the MS 908s ;) whether the source was the surplus cd player or the dac i bought at the session, the bass was always there along with the details, though bass was a little bit louder with the dac. but then again those were my observations IMHO :)
based on my observations and listening experience at akyat's elevated place, kahit anong set up naman ang patugtugin mo kila akyat, they would always sound good. maybe, the acoustics of akyat's living room have something to do with this or the barometric pressure of a higher altitude is contributing to the better sonic attributes of the system set up. i'm still verifying these from my listening experience but from what i've heard so far or every audio equipment that i hear emanating from an elevated place or a higher altitude (like akyat's 9th floor unit) would always sound exceptionally good or better than good as compared to audio equipment being fired at a lower altitude or at ground or sea level. try it and keep your ears glued to what i've noticed so far and tell me if there's a corroboration .... or is it just a figment of my imagination?? ::)
based on my observations and listening experience at akyat's elevated place, kahit anong set up naman ang patugtugin mo kila akyat, they would always sound good. maybe, the acoustics of akyat's living room have something to do with this or the barometric pressure of a higher altitude is contributing to the better sonic attributes of the system set up. i'm still verifying these from my listening experience but from what i've heard so far or every audio equipment that i hear emanating from an elevated place or a higher altitude (like akyat's 9th floor unit) would always sound exceptionally good or better than good as compared to audio equipment being fired at a lower altitude or at ground or sea level. try it and keep your ears glued to what i've noticed so far and tell me if there's a corroboration .... or is it just a figment of my imagination?? ::)
Bump. Bump. Bump.
Ano balita doon sa mga MS owners?
Ok naman po. maganda tumunog for me. (Love your own. he he he)
Session tayo sa amin bago ko itali. Next year pa naman.
902 magaling talaga tumunog..... gaya ng karamihan na bookshelf speaker, meron itong optimum volume na pag nilampasan mo eh gugulo ang tunog, minsan magiging bright, minsan mawawala ang detalya ng bass..... medyo may kalakasan na ito at bihira ako umabot sa volume na ito maliban na lang kung maingay sa labas at madaming tao (parang session ba? hehe).
pero habang nasa loob ka ng optimum volume, wow ganda ng balance.... malaki tumunog, minsan napagkakamalan kong 908 ang nakakabit basta walang low bass sa music hindi halata.
Hans,
Oo pre serious na. May mga reservations na nga. may date na rin.
nels,
all my best wishes to the next phase of your life's journey bro:D...tama, ulitin nga natin session dyan sa inyo...i still fondly remember ung 1st session with just you, akyat, james n myself bago full renovation :)
The Infinity guy says that US speakers are better for home theater use than European speakers, which are designed more for sound...
??? ???
Speakers are always designed for sound.
You probably mean for music. Speakers good for music is good for HT. But not the other way around. But if you just want HT, any speakers will do. Music is more demanding. And musical speakers for the home are better specified.
????
If A=B, B is not equal to A. ::)
Ano 'yon? ::)
MS 902 is a cool speaker
I am thinking to use it as a surround back speaker....bagay ba?
????
If A=B, B is not equal to A. ::)
Ano 'yon? ::)
hi guys,
does any1 here knows the contact no. of 5th ave sa Shangrila and who is the best person i could ask? Balak ko kc bumili ng AVant MS-906...Thx
Appreciate if you can provide feedback on the performance of the MS Premiere 5.1 Package paired with a Marantz amplifier. My usage is 70% HT, 30% Music. TIA.
From my auditions nearly two years back, the ms914 did sound the most detailed and revealing in its price range......
How much would the MS914 cost now?
hi guys! are there any other store that carries MS aside from 5th ave?
Hi!
Would anyone have info on MS System 442 Floorstanders? I think they came out in the 80's or maybe earlier. I got a mint pair and would appreciate any info you have on them.
Thanks!
Am not familiar with their earlier models. But I read on the net that MS speakers, especially the series 3 in the 80s garnered awards and great reviews and were well regarded by audiophiles. MS is one British mark that enjoys some pedigree among audiophiles still. MS has been acquired by a company that also sells Cambridge Audio and Gale. I think you can read more in their site at www.mordaunt-short.co.uk
Hi! I was able to find the company in U.K. providing servicing to owners of MS speakers bought before the new owners took over. A guy named Roger sent me the owner's manual of the system 442. Great service, I'd say.
ok po ba yung MS903 bipolar surrounds? wats the pros n cons of bipolars? tnx
hi guys! i finally got my speakers! i got the avant series MS904, MS905c & MS903s! di ko pa masyado natest coz tinanggal ko ulit nakakalat pa kasi mga wires! hehe gna fix them this wknd! ;D
yup bro i got the marantz4500 as well! wat ba tamang setting nung speakers sa avr? naka small lang lahat dapat? tnx bro i know hirap magka SARS! hehe ;D
hehe tnx bro matz!yup, to avoid frequency lost... But I suggest experimenting on the sound...
bro czedryk! meron kasi sa avr na freq i set it nalng sa 100hz...then sa active sub freq san ba dapat iset pag ganun?
tnx sir av!
bro czedryk so i'll set sa avr na 100hz. how about dun mismo sa sub?
bro bee! im using kasi yung dtx 4.10 lang...so its freq range is at 40-220hz...so san po dapat?
ah ganun ba yun bro? eh wat if sa 40 ko sinet? ano difference nun pag 220hz?tnx
yup bro i got the marantz4500 as well! wat ba tamang setting nung speakers sa avr? naka small lang lahat dapat? tnx bro i know hirap magka SARS! hehe ;D
maybe this is the one for me, huh av_phile? ;)
Just be forewarned I am not exactly pleased with their after sales services. See my earlier posts on this. And they don't carry speaker drivers and parts which I'd be more than happy to buy after the warranty period.
My friend also told me about this. His Jamo bookshelf speaker fell and 5th ave. was not able to repair it. Whats worse is that 5th ave had the unit for a very long time and nothing was happening so they just pulled it out. He ended up selling the Jamo bookshelf (one tweeter needed repair) & center for just 2k last week.
bro bee wats YPAO? hehe sori di ko lam yung term na yun... ???
sir av tnx for the tip! so for music i'll set them to large n set the cutoff at 50hz sa avr? then wat if im using the dtx4.10 wc has a freq range "stated" at 40-220hz? so i'll set the sub at the lowest wc is 40hz?
then for ht, set the speakers to small, then u said set the sub to its max freq cutoff...so in my case set it to 220hz? TIA!
With YPAO, setting up the ideal sound environment is finally a breeze.[/i]
Not entirely. And not in all scenarios. It's often easier advertised than realized. Check it here:
http://www.audioholics.com/productreviews/avhardware/Yamaha_RX-Z9p4.php
Care to enlighten us was "POSITEC" is?
Mordant Short normally have "Positec" protection which are self resetting
fuses that cut out if they are overdriven. (My MS3.10's do anyway)
Hi Bumblebee!
I am also using a MS3.10. I like it better than my MS Classic 40, a floorstander.
Very good midrange, but there is a cut-off in high freq.
I am not thinking of upgrading anymore, except for a Harbeth.
Louie
Hope I'm wrong here, but I think they and their sister companies (Abenson and Avesco) have exclusive distribution rights of MS here.
Guys just wanna share,,, i'm on a tour right now and i am currently at bangkok, i was just looking around at audio visual stores when i discovered that they are actually selling the ms speakers the one with the subwoofer on the side for just 12000 pesos!!! :o super cheap and the price is really tempting!!! ;D
OT but i also saw wharfedales,,, i asked for the price of the diamond 9.5 and they are priced at 23000!!!
but the price is really tempting compared here :o
yup how much would the shipping cost if ever?
but the price is really tempting compared here :o
yup how much would the shipping cost if ever?
parang ayoko kc bumili sa 5th ave base on what i read from here, baka magka-problema yung mabili ko sa kanila tapos mahihirapan lang ako. :'(hi ariz. i if you really want the mordaunts, go for it... even if you have to source it from 5th ave. i think you won't have that much of a problem coz this is just passive equipment... unless you plan to drive it real hard. in that case, it might not even be covered by warranty if they find u burnt your drivers doing that. just break it in gently and use it within its intended limits. if there'll be any inherent problem/s i think it should manifest itself in the first few weeks of use.
arizton :) :)
The boxes with styro inside make them huge. And at around 20kilos each, you might be exceeding your baggage allowance. Even if you travel first class. ;D
MS CARNIVAL 6 floorstanders 3way 90db? - any user reviews regarding this newly released model? slim sleek- silkdome tweets and not metallic, parang woven fiber? bass and midbass woofers! <10k @5th av parksq.
I saw in the MS site that they had Festival, Carnival and Pageant ranges way back. I don't know if the Carnival in 5th Ave are new productions of the old range.dont think so. ive heard about ms carnivals early 80s before the music series (ms)
dont think so. ive heard about ms carnivals early 80s before the music series (ms)
airborne3,
congrats on your new c6! pakinig :) ...be patient, after a while lalabas ang tunay na tunog nyan. check out cerwinvgas' sensitivity, i believe 90db+ at big woofers?. the CVs are known to be easier to drive and bass heavy. MS c6 5.5"woofers can only do so much. you may opt for a subwoofer later to augment your lowfreq. needs. keep it coming!(more reviews) ENJOY the music / films !!! :)
bumblebee,
902i (i=improved) ayan na naman ang MS! dati ms10 - ms10i - ms10i pearl edition. same with b&w 601 - 601s2 - 601s3. ;D
i noticed a black round thing at the back of the CS6. try to check the manual whether its a port or its a hole (same as ms904 and 914) that you can pour sand into to mass-load the speaker to tighter bass? (if its for mass loading and you decide to fill with sand, make sure its dry before you pour it in ;D
Di ba sila magkamukha ng Gale 3030/3040?
Ask you guys lang re attaching the feet, is it very important I do that? I have a wood floor kasi so the spikes will poke holes into it. :( A girly concern I know. :D
Anyway, the new Avants 900i should be out soon. According to the site, the 902i is the new king of budget speakers (What HiFi?).
musta naman performance ng c6? better ba than the MS904? tnx
much cheaper kasi yung c6 sa MS904 dba? plus 2 woofers pa
I heard the carnival floorstanders yesterday, bitin & manipis yung tunog. Looks like gale.
hi matz, was it a "broken-in" unit or not? ;D
airborne wc is 20t+ na the MS 904?
airborne basta the impt thing is that its good for u dba?
airborne the MS904 with single woofer ba yung 20t+ na?
My bad! Like I said I wasn't really paying attention to the particular models before, so forget which one was the P20K plus. I remember there was one MS model with built-in sub, that was P26K+ after discount. Thanks for the correction guys. :) Hope this clears things up kt.
MS model with built-in sub? Floorstander ba ito? Any of you guys know what model this is?
That's the MS 502.
And the newer Avant 908.
(http://www.mordaunt-short.co.uk/assets/page_pictures/20050628_092249_908.jpg)
Check out their site here:
www.mordaunt-short.co.uk (http://www.mordaunt-short.co.uk)
Thanks for the link, sir avphile!
Powered ba yung sub na ito?
http://www.mordauntshort.com/assets/documents/WHFFeb06902ilicensedreprint.pdf
I believe they have models with powered and non-powered subs. Just can't recall which. The site should help.
Wala atang nakalagay sa site or I just can't undesrtand some of their terminologies. ;D
about the 908, what i have is the equivalent of the Classic 908 (passive sub)... the Avant is the newer model with the narrower box and feet.
the one with passive sub would be around 20k++, i don't think they would sell the 502 for that price, they used to sell it for 50k++ with MSRP of 68k when i asked 2yrs ago.
about the 908, what i have is the equivalent of the Classic 908 (passive sub)... the Avant is the newer model with the narrower box and feet.
the one with passive sub would be around 20k++, i don't think they would sell the 502 for that price, they used to sell it for 50k++ with MSRP of 68k when i asked 2yrs ago.
Yup I remember that I was "thrilled" at the price quote. I think it could cost about the same as getting a 904 and two B&W ASW10 subs. But I prefer this as I'd have more freedom locating the subs separately from the mains for better bass and imaging.
How is the performance of the Carnival 6 if paired with marantz 4500? thanks!
I saw the units at the Appliance Center in SM Bacoor. I am planning to add the MS speakers and marantz to my existing 5 pc Kenwood set (KS 706HT) and a Ganz Klar GSX 780 subwoofer to complete a 7.1 unit, Is this plan feasible? thanks!
OT: Where can I have my Mordaunt Short subwoofer repaired?
Sensya na sir, medyo naguluhan ako dito... w/c do you prefer: (1) a pair of mains with built-in sub o yung (2) 904 + two subs?
How about (3) mains with built-in subs + subwoofer? O overkill na ba ito?
Sorry for oh so delayed reply. Funny I only saw this today. Just for the record, I prefer to have the subs, powered or passive, on a separate box. That way I'd have more freedom to locate the sub anywhere in the room that gives the best bass response, independent of the mains which require a position to get better imaging. Having better imaging and better bass are two objectives with entirely different, often opposing, speaker placement requirement.
magandang klase na ba ung avant i na set cos i'm planning to but new speakers. what other speakers do you recommend. familiar lang kasi ako sa klipsch, mordaunt short, B&W, jbl. :)
magandang klase na ba ung avant i na set cos i'm planning to but new speakers. what other speakers do you recommend. familiar lang kasi ako sa klipsch, mordaunt short, B&W, jbl. :)
Yup, me too. I have a pair of MS 3.5 bought in 5th Avenue when they still have a store in SM Southmall. It still performs better than the newer ms speakers when properly paired with a good amp. Bought it for 12K back in 97. I still use the pair as my fronts and stereo listening.
I bought it blindly, without any manual that will give me the specs sheet, kaya di alam frequency response + other details. Would anyone happen to own one here too. Thanks.
i don't think Mordaunt Short made specific model manuals for the MS 3.X0 series. i bought a sealed NOS pair of MS 3.40 two months ago here in Davao and what i got inside the box in plastic envelope were two manuals that look common for all speakers in that series. one was for the speaker installation, protection circuit (Positec), warranty conditions, etc. and the other, for installation and handling of the cloth grill cover. i also bought a pair of the original Mordaunt Short stand, which also has its own manual.
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bro kt, no time really to tweak the settings pa (ampli), i think diko pa nakuha yung optimum settings. feeling ko kasi mahina yung sound sa surrounds and feeling ko din magkaiba yung lumalabas na sound nung left and right surround, dapat ba ganun talaga? pero yung subs ok naman ang performance ;D
pero kapag super action movies iba ang dating ng Yammy & Euros set-up ko ;D
magkano ba sir yung mga bookshelfs ng Avant i series.
ok kaya ito for stereo setup using an Onkyo stereo amp?
thanks
up ko lang
hi there sir/mam.
im just new here in forum and having a hard time to find solution for my problem, so sa tingin ko ito na lang yung best way to make it easy for me looking for a solution. im looking for review/comments regarding sa MordauntShort 504 & 506 both are THX Certified and Discontinued Model. ito sana yung gusto kong ma - add for my HT Setup. Malapit ko na kasing kunin but problem is 'di pa ako nakaka kita nang good/bad comments from end user. so any word from you guy will be a big help for me...
Thanks in Advance
A mere P230,000 per pair. ;DWOW :o :o :o
My only caveat with this model? It's still distributed by 5th Ave. >:(Well said Sir AV...
My only caveat with this model? It's still distributed by 5th Ave.
WOW :o :o :oWell said Sir AV...
My experience with 5th Ave after sales is not entirely pleasant.
sir ask ko lang po kung may nakakaalam review ng ms classic 40? matagal syang model pero great britain pa sya gawa.
ms 40 sir. 100watts 8ohms. more on audio sya ryt? ok ba sya sa tube amp?
sir ask ko lang po kung may nakakaalam review ng ms classic 40? matagal syang model pero great britain pa sya gawa.Me CLASSIC 40 ako. Typical british sound, good on midrange, nice bass extension. I find it too bright for my taste due to the metal tweeters.
di ba talaga maganda ang sound ng new models? the relatively low price is very tempting...i have the 502 declaration thx towers for my ht set up and believe me, they would bring the house down if powered with a suitable amp. marantz and cambridge audio gears woudl really make the 502s sing for 2-channel audio. i would pick them anytime over some BnWs and dyna audios...these MS models sound really clean and relaxing. just be careful coz they may sound too dull if paired with wrong gear.
i checked their site and the more expensive 500 thx series seems to have received either BEST BUY or RECOMMEDED from major British magazines. the budget model 900 series uses the same aluminum drivers.
i think i read somewhere in another thread about the kenwood receivers not being a good match bcoz when they brought in a rotel amp, the mordaunts started to sing.
can owners comment on mordaunt compared to other brands/models? i'm seriously considering this bcoz of the price.
Oh yes....go0d sub at 5'th ave. the MS-909..300W...retail....27,200..on sale...for cold cash...21,800.
Great deal?
auditioned the carnival 6 at western appliance sta. lucia. given that it's not really the proper place to audition, my initial impression is that they are bit bright (as most MS do). the tweets aren't shy at what they do. they sound metallic than soft dome to me. don't know if it's the mp3 material used. a marantz sr5600 was used for the audition. it seems the woven woofers need some breaking in as they sound stiff to me thus the tweeters seems overpowering the mid/bass.
anyway, for those wanting to get them... western marketing do have them in black and beech(???). if only someone can share their experience with western in general or vis-a-vis 5th avenue.
auditioned the carnival 6 at western appliance sta. lucia. given that it's not really the proper place to audition, my initial impression is that they are bit bright (as most MS do). the tweets aren't shy at what they do. they sound metallic than soft dome to me. don't know if it's the mp3 material used. a marantz sr5600 was used for the audition. it seems the woven woofers need some breaking in as they sound stiff to me thus the tweeters seems overpowering the mid/bass.
It strikes me as silly for these sales guys to demo a hi fi system using mp3 materials. ;D
auditioned the carnival 6 at western appliance sta. lucia. given that it's not really the proper place to audition, my initial impression is that they are bit bright (as most MS do). the tweets aren't shy at what they do. they sound metallic than soft dome to me. don't know if it's the mp3 material used. a marantz sr5600 was used for the audition. it seems the woven woofers need some breaking in as they sound stiff to me thus the tweeters seems overpowering the mid/bass.
as per my own experrience ripping my own cd's mp3's sound "thinner" but never "brighter", the mp3's tend to lose low end punch and sometimes "darker" than the orig cd's (like SarahBrightman's "Harem" and "LaLuna").
i started ht with MS as well and marantz SR4500. i never regreted having it. it sounds good even for audio.
Any Carnival 9 users out there? I was trying to look for reviews about it but nothing seems to show up in google. I'm actually interested to know how accurate and loud can it go since it's a 10 incher sub. The specs on the MS site doesn't give much detail so I'm totally unfamiliar with it. ???
James16, CTLIM,
Yes. I heard both on a cambridge audio azur540A integrated amp and CD player. Though on vocal jazz, it sounded ok to me, in other types, it lacked bass and quite bright.....Though Ive read in other sites it was a good pairing, it did not quite fit my ears.
What amp would it be good to pair it with to tame the brightness? NAD? Rotel? In the interim, would it be ok to hook it up with a Denon receiver?
Thanks for your inputs...you guys are of real help
id stay away from the entry level carnivals. go for the avant series.
id stay away from the entry level carnivals. go for the avant series.
one reason that comes to mind is that mordaunt speakers are not carried by our more popular suking ht stores and because wharfes and missions (currently) are more popular and has better price points.
Up ko lang po. I'm just curious. In terms of pricing halos parehas ang pricing ng mordaunt at polk, mission speakers eh... anyone care to comment?
I have the carnival 5.1 setup speakers for a year now. right now im recalibrating it again using auddesey eq to optimize the sound quality for movies.my AVR is a denon 1610 now find the calibration for the sub returns a -12 db which is a bit low. Does it mean that the Denon audessey finds the sub to load.
Can any recommend the proper way to calibrate these carnival speakers for optimization in audessey.
thanks in advance
I've listened to the Mordaunt Short Mezzo bookshelf and floorstanding speakers. They sound really nice with a very open and large soundstage with surprisingly good bass produced by the bookshelf models. If I only could afford it I would have a second system with these.
I have the carnival 5.1 setup speakers for a year now. right now im recalibrating it again using auddesey eq to optimize the sound quality for movies.my AVR is a denon 1610 now find the calibration for the sub returns a -12 db which is a bit low. Does it mean that the Denon audessey finds the sub to load.
Can any recommend the proper way to calibrate these carnival speakers for optimization in audessey.
thanks in advance
I have the carnival 5.1 setup speakers for a year now. right now im recalibrating it again using auddesey eq to optimize the sound quality for movies.my AVR is a denon 1610 now find the calibration for the sub returns a -12 db which is a bit low. Does it mean that the Denon audessey finds the sub to load.
Can any recommend the proper way to calibrate these carnival speakers for optimization in audessey.
thanks in advance
wow thanks. will check these out at 5th ave.
Are you planning to use them for HT, or for a dedicated audio setup? :)
The Aviano line might indeed work for you then. However, if you want that extra level of refinement, detail and depth --- then the Mezzo might be the answer (granted that your gear is upto the task).
I think the latter is an achievable entry point to hiqh-quality reproduction.
why? are MS speakers hard to drive? kaya ba ng vsx 520 yung aviano?
ok po ba? mezzo 2 sa Marantz Pm 80 Thanks
@beginner
good evening master raz,.its funny di kita inaabutan sa ym with masters ivan et. al during the afternoon, but only here during late nights. wala lang, im just toying with the idea about hk3490 being paired with mezzos. no intention to buy yet, but curious lang ako how the combo will sound because ivan has good things to say about the 3490. parang pwede na budget meal for pure audio listening. ;D too expensive kasi for me ang ca system
Naku Sir. No need for an expensive system as long as you like what you hear. ;DTaaaamaaaa. :)
I'm usually online at night. Yang si Ivan kse vampira din yan...Natutulog ata ang vampira sa daytime. ;D
Naku Sir. No need for an expensive system as long as you like what you hear. ;DTrue master raz, but most of the time what people happen to like to hear are those from expensive systems.hehe that's why makiki-kinig na lang muna ako sa systems nyo ni master ivan;D
True master raz, but most of the time what people happen to like to hear are those from expensive systems.hehe that's why makiki-kinig na lang muna ako sa systems nyo ni master ivan;D
Nyek, si Master Raz lang may expensive system. Nakalula yan. :o
CD-R King lang po gamit ko.
Nyek, si Master Raz lang may expensive system. Nakalula yan. :o
CD-R King lang po gamit ko.
CDR-King with PSB Imagine floorstanders? :o ;D
CDR-King with PSB Imagine floorstanders? :o ;D
ayan, nabisto ka tuloy ;D
True master raz, but most of the time what people happen to like to hear are those from expensive systems.hehe that's why makiki-kinig na lang muna ako sa systems nyo ni master ivan;D
Haha! Somewhat true for some folks. But hey, if it sounds good... then go for it. One of the things I learned from Master Ivan is listen first before asking for the price. Which is kinda difficult to do. :o
PBS hindi PSB :)= PULSAR BOOMBOX SPEAKER (WITH REMOTE CONTROLLER)
Specifications:
Power: 5V
Speaker Output: 5W / 4©
Frequency response: 150Hz~20kHz
S/N Ratio: e 85dB
Power Supply: Built-in Li-Hi battery
lupit nito guru ivan :) hi tech power supply at kaya 4 ohms ;D.. tube siguro eto.
Warranty Info
Warranty Period : 1 week
Replacement Period : day
good day
got my carnivals 6s a pair of ecosse 2.3 mkIV speaker cable. good match. 2.5 meter pair = 1,800 pesos
mezzo 2s....silver speaker cable...the best :).
good day.
The long wait is finally over... ;D
Guru Joey,
What speaker wires do you use with your Mezzo 2/550A combo?
Thanks!
Wow! Congrats Master Razel! :)
The long wait is finally over... ;D
Guru Joey,
What speaker wires do you use with your Mezzo 2/550A combo?
Thanks!
master raz congrats! tagal ko di naka bisita dito eh ;D
Mga chief any thoughts sa MS302? Never had an experience as mga MS speakers.. Are they ok? FYI guys gamitin ko sya as table top paird with a T-amp also be used pag may outdoor BBQs pocket set-up ba somthing like that.. :) Im having this thought instead of purchasing a ipod speaker which will sound crappy compared sa T-amp and MS302.. Thanks.. ;D
Maganda ang MS302 when partnered well, but it is meant to go with a small sub that will take care of the lows. Sealed na small bookshelves po kasi yan na meant for HT use. It will also work for a low power stereo setup, as long as you have the proper sub to augment it. The MS308W or the MS309W would be a great partner to those small bookshelves / satellites.
mga master, pwede ba humingi ng opinyon para sa avant 904i? musta yung bass production nya? balak ko sana gamitin 50/50 music and HT. wala akong sub so i rely mostly on the floorstander for bass production. any info would be greatly appreciated. :)
Di po ako master, pero here's my take: For music use, pwedeng adequate na yung lows nya. However, for movies mabibitin ka malamang.
A dedicated sub will help greatly (you're missing out on LFE kung wala).
Hi guys looking for 5.1 satellites meron MS ? Thanks. Need something small for a studio condo
Budget arnd 20k
WHAT'S THE IDEAL PARTNERING EQUIPMENT (AMP AND CDP) FOR MS AVIANO 6?
TNX
I think I posted here 6 years ago, I have my Carnival 6 floorstanders. They have served me very well all this time. They're hooked up to my almost 20 year old Onkyo avr. Just want to ask who or what store sells MS Carnival center speakers and sub? Can I use the current series with my old ones? I'll be retiring my good old analog Onkyo and going digital soon, so I can expand my speakers already. No need for surrounds as I have a weird room config to fully appreciate this.
Thanks for any info you can give me.
Thanks! My flat screen just got delivered today, an LG 42KL450. Speakers are passable, but sadly nothing to write home about. I wish i could splurge and buy my avr na, but can't. Haven't figured out how I can connect my Onkyo to it yet so I can use my Carnivals na I've been so used to all this time. I also asked the tech guy who installed my tv, he even looked at it's back to see if it had an optical cable, ayaw maniwala sa akin, sabi ko wala. :D
Yesterday I bought 14 gauge speaker wires from an audio/video shop that cost 90 bucks per meter (for use with my Mezzo 2). I thought it would be an upgrade to the 16 gauge wire that I bought from Watt Hi-Fi in MCS for only 40 bucks per meter (if I remember correctly). What a letdown, the 16 gauge wire blew away the 14 gauge wire! The thinner wire had more detail, better midrange and even better bass! ???
It really happens bro. What works is what works. Different sytems, rooms and combinations have different needs. What sound are you trying to get out of your system, by the way?
I think I posted here 6 years ago, I have my Carnival 6 floorstanders. They have served me very well all this time. They're hooked up to my almost 20 year old Onkyo avr. Just want to ask who or what store sells MS Carnival center speakers and sub? Can I use the current series with my old ones? I'll be retiring my good old analog Onkyo and going digital soon, so I can expand my speakers already. No need for surrounds as I have a weird room config to fully appreciate this.
Thanks for any info you can give me.
@stagea
Hi Ivan! Sorry now lang I've checked this thread out, I've been missing out pala. How apropos your suggesting I get a quote for an entry level Yamaha avr. Luckily I now have the op to buy one on Amazon and balikbayan boxed home. That's why I went here to ask for avr suggestions for my Carnivals. My budget is only $300-350, so far the I've been eyeing the Yamaha RX-471 pasok sa budget and my needs at $329, there's an older model 667 at $320. Also considering the Denon 1612 which is cheaper at $299 but not Amazon Prime nga lang so baka shipping might take time from the seller. Considered the Onkyo's 509/609 but read so many bad reviews and considering the risk of no warranty once shipped and no way to send back, I wasn't considering them na. Sayang at going strong my old Onkyo, so wanted to stick with the brand.
So at this point these are my choices, I would so appreciate your input. Now may offer pa of a center speaker! How cool! What sub can I pair kaya that's not MS? No budget na for the Carnival 7 subs on Amazon. Can I pair it with a Yamaha sub?
Sige wait to hear from you nalang. Thanks again!
@paramount
I was looking at other center speakers na nga sa Amazon til I saw your post. PM'd you! :)
Choose the RX-V667 over the RX-V471. You'd likely be happier with that choice. :)
Great! Will do that. How about a sub? Can't afford the Carnival 7 for now. Looking at budget ones on Amazon, any suggestions? Doesn't have to be strong, my rooms not that big. Thanks again.
There are very affordable options locally. Mahal ata pa-ship ng sub since malaki yung box.
mga masters, may grill ba yung mezzo2 tweeters? or pwedeng ma sundot ng daliri or ballpen yung tweeters nya? :)
@[dcw]aaron
OO, binili ko sa SM city tag 10,800php. Meron nga silang set na binebenta dun pero di ko pa kaya ang budget pati ang Yamaha AVR at dahan-dahan lang muna ako mag upgrade.
Sirs, ok din ba ang mezza / mezza2 for audio? How much po current price nila?
Thanks in advance.
Mezzo 2 is a top notch performer for audio. SRP is around 24th.
good day sin stealer
i paired the carnival 6's with an old marantz 74d...ganda...the marantz drove the carnivals easily. the 74d has a (mm/mc) phono stage. had to let it(74d) go cause the rt channel of the amp got noisy.
so i got me a cambridge audio 550a/540p to drive the carnivals ...ganda rin pero i had to push the 550a a bit to drive the carnivals well. or its just a cambridge gain/volume thing.
the bass of the 6,s..okay naman for music..for video, a sub is a must. the 550a is not a bass beast though the bass is just there and right :)....so are the carnivals.
take out the round plastic cover behind the 6's and fill it with sand. be sure to return the cover. hahaha. bass improvement is noticable when sand filled....hmmm...a bit on the tighter side.
the 6's sound good with vinyl and cds. the 6's sound perfect knowing that you didnt get duped with your 10k.
again good day
^cost around 40k sa cash if im not mistaken. the mezzo6 will suit you if you are looking for a clean detailed sound, and works very well with classical, jazz or any other audiophile grade recording imo. however, i find it a bit bright for my taste when playing mainstream music (very noticeable kung panget ang recording). i'd rather go with mezzo 2 for that music category.
^cost around 40k sa cash if im not mistaken. the mezzo6 will suit you if you are looking for a clean detailed sound, and works very well with classical, jazz or any other audiophile grade recording imo. however, i find it a bit bright for my taste when playing mainstream music (very noticeable kung panget ang recording). i'd rather go with mezzo 2 for that music category.
Thanks Bro.. May i know what shop carry this for possible audition?
5th Avenue Electronic City. http://www.5thavenue.com.ph/content.asp?cid=62
They also carry Yamaha receivers so you'll also get an idea on how it will sound with your current rig. goodluck on your hunt and give us your feedback. ;)
I got my MS 5.1 (Carnival 3, 5, 6 and C9 subwoofer from western Marketing for 29k for 18 months to pay and also start of installment after 3 months . May promo pang Philips am/fm watch timer worth 1k.
Ok na Ok na deal to !
Thnaks Warmaster , may tanong pala ako sayo sorry pang newbing tanong talaga ....need ko ba alisin yun takip sa likod ng carnival 6 floorstander?? yun plastic cover na bilog?
I got my MS 5.1 (Carnival 3, 5, 6 and C9 subwoofer from western Marketing for 29k for 18 months to pay and also start of installment after 3 months . May promo pang Philips am/fm watch timer worth 1k.
Ok na Ok na deal to !
Yamaha 371 will drive them along with My samsug 51 inch plasma from SnS and free bluray 3d player ...hehehe daming promo ko may libre pang philip clock yun MS speakers
sarap naman nyan bago lahat. congrats and keep the gears coming! ;D
Nag try ako ng flacs music , ok na ok tong Mordaunt Carnivals !! Grabe ! perfect music na yata
Nag try ako ng flacs music , ok na ok tong Mordaunt Carnivals !! Grabe ! perfect music na yatathat should be perfect - just don't listen to others setup and stop browsing here you may GET infected by SARS brader
Sa mag experts dito mga sir , tanong newnie ule , sorry ha,sabi nila better daw kung same brand and model kapag nagdual sub
Makakasama ba o makakaganda sa tunog kung kakabit ko pa yun luma kong subwoofer active 150 watts in parallel connection sa amplifier ko para maging dalawa na subs ko. Carnival 9 na bago ko gamit now.
Salamat in advanced ,,,dami kong sobrang speakers mga old school Sony and aiwa 6-8 ohms .
Parang si Master Pat, bago din lahat. ;D
I know this is MS thread, but I'm currently choosing between Mezzo series or the Polk RTI series for my future upgrade from my Wharfe diamond 9s.
Anyone have some personal opinions on Mezzo 6 vs RTI A5/A7?
I'm having a hard time trying to to audition the Mezzo since the 5th avenue stores I've visited don't seem to have them on hand.
BTW, speakers would be primarily for HT use and be driven by an onkyo 360/609.
TIA!
Hi.. Just new in here, I need some help. I just bought lately Carnival 8 for my front speaker to be pair with
my HK 3490 stereo receiver. Dami na din ako nabasa sa forum ne eto and I've learn a lot of things about audio system, that's why I'm asking some opinion to my fellow pdvd member kung ano ang magandang Subwoofer na maging match sa stereo set up, ko pure music lang po ako.
Thanks in advance.....
can you recommend ms carnival 6 for a floorstanding speaker?i'm hunting for a budget floorstand speaker and this carnival 6 the only fs speaker that suits my budget.i've searched it and reviews are impressive..but i would like to hear it from you guys if this is going to a wise buy.thanks a lot.
what do you mean partnered well?..onkyo ht r370 avr 110w per channel 4-8 ohms..would this be matched kaya sa carnival considering 6ohms siya?sensya na po mejo neophite pa lang..thanks ulit!
Anyone already tried pairing the mezzo 2 with marantz for audio?
Can an Onkyo 309 drive the Carnival 6?
san pa ba may carnival 9?Try 5th Ave. in park square makati. doon ko kinuha yong akin. nasa 10k+ yata.
and how much?
Living room set-up is an av receiver with ms aviano 6, how can i improve the soundstage of my speakers?
Buy a dedicated stereo integrated amp or buy a power amp?
Thanks.
Get a stereo amp.
Hello Conan;
Can you suggest a stereo amp? Am thinking of an onkyo a-9010