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High-Def => General HD Discussion => Topic started by: barrister on Aug 31, 2007 at 06:13 PM
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HD VMD Now Available in Europe - Experience True High Definition
At euro 179 HD VMD Makes HD 1080p Accessible in Europe
August 30, 2007: 11:51 AM EST
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/LATH06830082007-1.htm (http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/LATH06830082007-1.htm)
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As if the format wars weren't heated enough, a third competitor hits the market:
(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4675/hdvmdlj8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
PRESS RELEASE:
HD VMD Debuts in U.S. - Affordable HD Disc Solution Available to Consumers in Q3'07.
DENVER, Sep 05,2007
$199 Price-Point Drives Affordability into the HD Market
New Medium Enterprises (NME) (OTC Bulletin Board: NMEN - News) today officially launched its HD VMD (Versatile Multilayer Disc) player and disc into the U.S. market with a debut at CEDIA Expo 2007. HD VMD brings maximum-HD 1080p high-quality players to consumers for a groundbreaking MSRP of $199. HD VMD players will be available for purchase in late October.
HD VMD stands to revolutionize the high-definition disc market, providing consumers with the best possible HD experience. Combining the best industrial opto-electronics and disc technologies, HD VMD brings together established DVD red-laser production infrastructure and break-through multilayer discs technology to deliver its maximum-HD picture. HD VMD red laser multilayer disc plans include storage of up to 30 GB of content on a single side disc.
Mahesh Jayanarayan, CEO of NME, Inc. says "U.S. consumers have waited for an HD solution at DVD pricing; and with HD VMD, we believe we have met this desire through a stellar quality, high-definition disc and player at a price point that almost anyone can afford." Jayanarayan adds, "With the launch into the U.S. market this month and an accelerating rollout of HD VMD content and retail distribution partners, we plan to drive adoption of HD in the home."
At $199, consumers can easily create their own HD living rooms; with the security of having a globally adopted format, and a better solution for their existing DVD libraries.
High-Definition at the Right Price -- High-end HD VMD products will enter the market at a groundbreaking MSRP of $199 -- 30 percent less than the least expensive competitive (and low end) product.
Incredible Image Quality -- With true HD resolution 1080p -- and 45Mbps bit rate, HD VMD excels at processing images and delivering the highest quality picture. From animation to fast action, viewers will experience incredible detail and vibrant colors.
Crystal Clear Sound -- With up to 7.1 sound channels, HD VMD delivers immersive and realistic sound that will make listeners feel like they are a part of the action.
Exceptional Standard Definition DVD Upconversion -- HD VMD players upconvert standard definition DVDs to deliver a killer high-definition picture. DVDs have never looked so good.
Global Content Choices -- HD VMD is currently being embraced by content providers around the globe, offering consumers a broad option of content. From U.S. to India to France to China, content from the world's leading film markets will be available to all.
VMD is currently being adopted by content providers and distributors in dozens of regions worldwide, including Australia, Brazil, Central Europe, China, France, Germany, Iceland, India, Japan, the Middle East Russia, Scandinavia, and the United States.
Products Specifications:
Disc (single side) HD VMD15 and HD VMD20
Disc Diameter: 120 mm
Disc Thickness: 1.2 mm
Laser Wavelength: 650 nm
Native Resolution for all models: 1920x1080p
Video codecs: MPEG- 2, VC-1, H.-264
Audio codecs: Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, DTS
Data transfer rate: 45 Mbps
Video bit rate: 45Mbps
Security: AES based
Additional features: USB port, card reader, HDMI, Internet connectivity
MSRP: $199
Link to company press release: http://www.nmeinc.com/press_main.aspx
Related Article: http://tv-shows-on-dvd.blogspot.com
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that's awesome... 30gb media with 199$ player.
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As if the format wars weren't heated enough, a third competitor hits the market:
How about a fourth format: CH-DVD
Foundation of China High Definition DVD Industry Association (CHDA) Heralds New Era of High-Definition Entertainment in China
Industry Leaders Develop and Promote CH-DVD, a New High Definition DVD Standard for Chinese Market
http://www.cnw.ca/fr/releases/archive/September2007/07/c6367.html (http://www.cnw.ca/fr/releases/archive/September2007/07/c6367.html)
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How about a fourth format: CH-DVD
Industry Leaders Develop and Promote CH-DVD, a New High Definition DVD Standard for Chinese Market
Chinese Market only and not globally? Is my understanding right? Being a late bloomer also pays some price. ;D
Thanks barrister, cant wait to have this new format soon given its not so expensive price. I just hope it pars with other branded players in the market.
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Yes sir. The good news is that it's not a new competing format. It's HD DVD based and approved by the DVD Forum.
According to Scott Fulton of Betanews, China is tired of Western video market bigwigs pushing them around, and will only participate in the HD video market if it can use AVS, China's own video codec, which is reportedly even better than VC-1 in some aspects.
It could be that the DVD Forum and China are scratching each other's backs. DVD Forum and HD-DVD agree to back the CH-DVD format; China floods the Western market with ultra-cheap HD-DVD players.
Things are looking pretty bleak for Blu ray these days.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_high_definition_optical_disc_formats
List of Past, Present, Future Optical Disc Formats
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Home_video
They will never stop until they achive UNCOMPRESSED video.
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(http://www.engadget.com/media/2007/10/vudu-review-roundup.jpg)
Video on Demand ---- The Future of HD!
Vudu Goes HD, Thumbs Nose at Blu-ray and HD DVD
This winter, Vudu will give every Vudu owner and new buyer copies of both The Bourne Identity and The Bourne Supremacy, pre-loaded on their boxes in glorious HD. They will also have the opportunity to download The Bourne Ultimatum to own for $25. This is a sign that Vudu—and Universal—are looking past the current format war toward the increasingly inevitable download-only distribution.
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/digital-downloads/vudu-goes-hd-thumbs-nose-at-blu+ray-and-hd-dvd-324913.php
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Just an 'bump' on this thread, in relation to next gen HD trends - looks like the Total HD drive of Warner has come to a screeching halt :-\
News HERE (http://www.allthingshidef.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=3C644C50F0DA47FDA581C56C5FDF5FC7&nm=Hi%2DDef+News&type=news&mod=News&mid=9A02E3B96F2A415ABC72CB5F516B4C10&tier=3&nid=C7491E1770AE48969F7E11B422C989F0) & HERE. (http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/tags/show/Total_HD)
(http://www.engadgethd.com/media/2007/03/snipshot_d418qlebowlk.jpg)
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IMHO, the future of HD is no disc at all... it would be in a form of a flash memory, much like our MMC and SD cards today, but in terms of several terrabyte capacity! At this capacity, uncompressed video can be stored, it is the ultimate HD! There won't be any better video format than the uncompressed video. ;D ;D ;D
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IMHO, the future of HD is no disc at all... it would be in a form of a flash memory, much like our MMC and SD cards today, but in terms of several terrabyte capacity! At this capacity, uncompressed video can be stored, it is the ultimate HD! There won't be any better video format than the uncompressed video. ;D ;D ;D
May punto kay bro, fair enough - very plausible scenario. ;) That made me think though, why it's not being considered as a strong contender now ? ::) Or even before at the outset of the DVD phenomenon - am wondering why it didn't take off in a major way, aside from niche movie downloads vis-a-vis the low-res compression applications. Seems like striking the right balance between the 3C's "Capacity, Clarity & Convenience (Portability)" at the right price is one of the key success drivers...
From Wikipedia:
On Flash Drives
"Flash drive capacities on the market are continuously increasing. As of 2006, 64 MB and smaller capacity flash memory has been largely discontinued, and 128 MB capacity flash memory is being phased out. High-speed USB is now a standard for modern flash drives and capacities of up to 16GB are common."
On HD Discs (BD in particular)
"A single layer Blu-ray Disc can store 25 gigabytes (GB), over five times the size of a single layer DVD at 4.7 GB. A dual layer Blu-ray Disc can store 50GB, almost six times the size of a dual layer DVD at 8.5 GB."
Please note that this excludes portable HDDs which is a different comparison altogether. Portable HDDs are currently working of the 'portability' angle which is clearly the strength of the flash drives (a.k.a. thumb drives).
That said, the current scenario has it at 16-Gig Flash Drives vs. 50-Gig BDs, a considerable gap. Still, there's no denying that tech changes radically overnight so it's very probable that flash drives can speedily narrow down that 30+Gb gap. However, when it comes to marketing these devices in the future, of course various factors would now come into play like Content providers, Pricing schemes, Portability, Supplier support etc, which would lead to a range of permutations on the best vehicle for HD content.
Meantime IMHO, in terms of convenience, pricing and sheer popularity, I reckon the HD discs would pave the way and rule for a couple of more periods. ;) Building on this, DISCS as storage devices has history behind it but Flash Drives in tandem with portable HDDs indeed should figure more prominently in the future - a very realistic possibility. ;)
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1080p? Ang baba naman ng resolution. Wala yan sa lolo ko ...
In the works: Red-Ray players --- 4096 x 2048 resolution!
Blu-ray? Pfft! Red-Ray offers four times the detail!
GADGET NEWS | HOT KIT
April 17th, 2008
http://www.electricpig.tv/news/hot-kit/145821/bluray-pfft-redray-offers-four-times-the-detail.thtml
Red-Ray Players Give You the Mind-Blowing HD Experience
- Ever heard of “Beyond-HD” screen resolutions?
By: Bogdan Botezatu, Hardware Editor
The format war might be over for Toshiba's HD-DVD, but it seems that the next target on the list of casualties will be the victorious Blu-Ray. Those of you who are already prepared to toss the Blu-Ray movie titles and jump in the new format's bandwagon, are advised to wait a little more, as the new format is still in diapers.
The mighty Red-Ray format is a new standard, able to deliver "Beyond-HD" video quality, namely movies at impressive 4096 x 2048 pixels screen resolutions.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Red-Ray-Players-Give-You-the-Mind-Blowing-HD-Experience-83682.shtml
An employee from RED posted on reduser.net forum:
The 4K RED-RAY uses standard "red" laser DVD media. The delivery codec is so efficient we can provide more than 2 hours of 4K plus audio on one dual layer single sided DVD.
http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11698&page=2
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Interesting article from NYTimes entitled "Blu-ray: The Future Has Been Delayed"
Hot on the heels of last week’s report from ABI Research noting that many consumers may not see the picture quality difference between Blu-ray and standard DVDs comes the latest Blu-ray sales figures from NPD Group. And they’re not pretty.
According to NPD, sales of Blu-ray standalone players plummeted 40 percent from January to February, then rose a scant 2 percent from February to March. The general consensus was that once Toshiba dropped its support for the HD DVD format early this year, sales would increase.
In fact, sales of Blu-ray standalone players remain so low that NPD has not yet released actual numbers, for fear that it would be easy to identify individual retailers. The research group will start to give actual figures later this year, said Ross Rubin, director of industry analysis at NPD.
The end of the format wars clearly did little to boost Blu-ray’s prospects. Like others, Mr. Rubin said the much cheaper upconverting standard DVD players are winning consumers’ hearts and wallets.
The price of upconverting players is hovering around $70. And this week, Amazon is giving them away for free when consumers purchase certain Samsung TVs. The result: a 5 percent uptick in upconverting DVD player sales in the first quarter of 2008, compared to same quarter a year ago, and a 39 percent decline in players that don’t have that feature.
With Blu-ray players still costing more than $300 — and a number of players on the market still lacking some Blu-ray features like Internect connectivity — NPD now figures that Blu-ray’s future won’t be clear until this Christmas, when prices should drop to the $200 range.
ABI Research is even less optimistic. In a report released yesterday, the research firm figures it could take until October 2009 until Blu-ray gains a foothold in the market.
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So progressive DVD players show 39% decline in sales, upconverting DVD players show a 5% increase and Blu-ray sales are so slow to be a embarrassment for NPD. BTW in 2008 85% of all Blu-Ray sales will be the Sony PS3.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1024770#post13765602
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Blu-ray disc sales treble
http://www.techradar.com/news/home-cinema/blu-ray-disc-sales-treble-354521
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Blu-ray disc sales treble
http://www.techradar.com/news/home-cinema/blu-ray-disc-sales-treble-354521
What??? ???.. Did I read it right, bluray discs will drop from avg. 28++ dollars presently to 24++ dollars by 2011. Thats an avg of about a dollar or so drop per year..I'm kinda disappointed :'(, Wish it will be more ;D..I guess I was used to buying bd discs last year at avg of 15 to 18 dollars ( I think even lower than 15 bucks on some ) with all the sale, plus amazons additional 10 percent discount. But I guess studios have to make money for the meantime.
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The future of HD lies on internet bandwidth. Fiber to the home at 1Gbps speeds. ;D
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Initially I was skeptical of HD download but after tried out a few movies at just 720p...whoa the PQ is nice! :o It's convenient & discless. Of cos it's just the movie lang...no extra features, commentary, delected scenes, no lossless or PCM audio, etc meron pa DD or DTS at 5.1 ;D
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Toshiba 'gets high resolution' from current DVDs
The Yomiuri Shimbun
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/features/science/20080530TDY01303.htm
Toshiba set to launch "Blu-ray killer" DVD technology
30 May 2008 13:51 by Andre "DVDBack23" Yoskowitz
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/14299.cfm
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Toshiba 'gets high resolution' from current DVDs
The Yomiuri Shimbun
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/features/science/20080530TDY01303.htm
Toshiba set to launch "Blu-ray killer" DVD technology
30 May 2008 13:51 by Andre "DVDBack23" Yoskowitz
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/14299.cfm
After the HD-DVD debacle, I guess Toshiba will have a MOUNTAIN to climb to convince consumers to trust its products again. Daming napaso...
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Interesting thread. I may be holding off going blu for the right reasons. :D
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After the HD-DVD debacle, I guess Toshiba will have a MOUNTAIN to climb to convince consumers to trust its products again. Daming napaso...
I think its true that the trust may be tarnished, but if this player really shows that its the best upscaling player, (maybe) close enough to hd, which I really doubt but who knows. I think this will be a success. IMO, the reason is people don't need to shell out for brand new discs anymore, just this player, thats where the advantage is. I have over 600 dvds and will I rebuy them all in bluray? I really don't think so until prices maybe come down to 10 dollars or less. Now the big question: Is there gonna be money made for this new hd technology for the studios and the rest of them if prices go that low? Whats their point then to go/support high definition if there will be no money to be made for them. Winning is one thing making money off it is another for them. Yes bluray player plays dvd but is it "the best" in terms of pq for our dvds. IMO, I don't think a lot really care about sound (nothing against those who are). Maybe only middle to hard core enthusiast are really interested in sound.
Actually, I really hope also that high def will be a success bec after watching some really excellent transfers, man its really unbeatable at the moment. But last night after watching Predator bluray, man don't even bother buying this unless your a predator/Arnold addict like me ;D (Actually bought it at 19.99)..Stick with your dvd. There are some scenes really sharp (can see the blood and gore better, jungle sharper) but other than that overall walang "IT"... Now how can they justify this upgrade, paying 22 to 27 dollars for it. I don't really know. If its just for sound, which I notice is better even I don't have hdmi receiver. It's really up to the buyer which (AQ or PQ) is worth it for the upgrade.
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lossless sound is still the best ^_^ i don't want to hear any compressed na hehe i don't get it why sabi nila upscaling player is near HD, even my mom knows whether the movie playing is a DVD or BD ???
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lossless sound is still the best ^_^ i don't want to hear any compressed na hehe i don't get it why sabi nila upscaling player is near HD, even my mom knows whether the movie playing is a DVD or BD ???
I think the "upscaling player is near HD" is more of " producing PQ that is good enough for most" We know that dvd is no match for HD, but for those with cash that can purchase the expensive processors or the really good dvd players, I think that is "good enough" PQ wise especially on those catalog titles or even the latest. Now if these toshiba players come in at 199 to 299 price level, its more affordable for most of us, especially for those with a modest to big dvd library, Its worth it. Im sure everybody is waiting for bluray prices to come down. By that time, will there be money made for those studios and CE companies. Is it worth it for them to invest in this?
I think one of the most impt issue here is "How many percent of the market will buy everything in bluray at their existing price right now?" and "Will studios totally remove dvds and just produce in bluray and take the chance?" Ya its true prices will come down in the future (like what happened to dvd) but for sure they want to make money. I may be wrong but I think it took at least 10 years for dvds to reach at these price points. (100, 150, 199, 299 pesos or 7.99, 8.99, 9.99, 12.99 usd). I can't believe these prices when I start seeing 2disc editions at 299 pesos or lower recently . Ya its not like the region 1 versions but these are "good enough" for most of the people..Some may say dvds were also expensive when it started out. But I think the difference here is a lot of people already own the title. Most will only rebuy at low prices or they really love that movie that they would want to pay a premium for it in bluray. (Like what I did with Dirty Harry series ;D) I think most of us are spoiled on low prices of dvds right now and this is the difference. I think this is the reason why I keep complaining about the prices of bluray discs ;D Sorry ;D..I keep comparing them to dvds pricewise, I know its wrong bec you have to pay a premium on a better product but I can't help it. Can you guys? ;D
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well its basically which one you want, SD or HD? hehe
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Toshiba is just delaying the inevitable. They're just squeezing every last drop out of their SD DVD royalties. Hd is still HD...
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well its basically which one you want, SD or HD? hehe
I'm sure Moks007 prefers HD PQ..it's just that everyone wants the price at SD level LOL :P
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hehehe don't we all? kaya ako naka abang lagi sa Gold Box sa Amazon haha
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I think this is the reason why I keep complaining about the prices of bluray discs ;D Sorry ;D..I keep comparing them to dvds pricewise, I know its wrong bec you have to pay a premium on a better product but I can't help it. Can you guys? ;D
Moks, looking at the total number of hd disks you've purchased so far, I don't think you're complaining strong enough. ;D
Catalogue titles will always be difficult to sell. Even I who simply downloads hd contents is getting bored of catalogues. For the most part, I would watch new titles immediately (no matter how much they suck) and those few old films I've never watched and heard of before (like Breaker Morant for instance), - and then check-out popular catalogue titles kung meron pang spare time for viewing - which is usually wala. So tulog lang yung data sa hard drive.
I realize now that my level of excitement for catalogues when I switched from VHS to DVD is definitely higher compared to that of DVD to HD. I remember passing by the rental shop every night after work back in 1998 checking out every single new DVD released.
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Moks, looking at the total number of hd disks you've purchased so far, I don't think you're complaining strong enough. ;D
Catalogue titles will always be difficult to sell. Even I who simply downloads hd contents is getting bored of catalogues. For the most part, I would watch new titles immediately (no matter how much they suck) and those few old films I've never watched and heard of before (like Breaker Morant for instance), - and then check-out popular catalogue titles kung meron pang spare time for viewing - which is usually wala. So tulog lang yung data sa hard drive.
I realize now that my level of excitement for catalogues when I switched from VHS to DVD is definitely higher compared to that of DVD to HD. I remember passing by the rental shop every night after work back in 1998 checking out every single new DVD released.
hehe..I think more than 50 percent of the title I own are from this computation/sale from last year ;D
6 titles blu 27.95 x 6 = 167.70
Less:
Promo discount bogo 83.85
Less:
Additional 10% discount
in Amazon for hidef
purchase 16.77
Free super saver
shipping 0.00
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Total cost 67.08
6 bluray discs at 67.08 x 45 = 3,018.60 pesos
This year?
6 bluray discs at recent up to 50% off at amazon = 22.95 x 6 = 137.70
Less: ??????????????? ;D
Super saver shipping lang ;D 0.00
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Total cost 137.70
6 bluray discs at 137.70 x 44 = 6,058.80 pesos
Huge huge difference. :'(
Thats why this year I got more selective na.
Me naman I prefer catalogs, ;D Ya some new titles are great (Ratatouille, Ironman, Bucket list etc..) but a lot of the day date movie series are getting old na..Indy 4, Rush hour 3, Spiderman 3, Pirates 3, Rambo 4..I'm sure transformer 3 or Ironman 3, Batman 4, Incredible Hulk 5, Meet the In-Laws may suck na ;D..Joke joke, just made up those titles..IMO most of them are getting old na, but of course its a matter of taste. We all have diff preferences/likes in movies. I think directors are running out of ideas for movies ???..I usually purchase these just to complete the series bec sometimes when you look at your dvd rack and see Pirates 3 missing or Rush hour 3 missing, I get irritated (obsessive compulsive?) ;D..I like everything complete so sometimes I just get these to complete the set ;D. However I still like to watch these series out of curiosity and loving the first 2 or 3 hehe..
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I think the "upscaling player is near HD" is more of " producing PQ that is good enough for most" We know that dvd is no match for HD, but for those with cash that can purchase the expensive processors or the really good dvd players, I think that is "good enough" PQ wise especially on those catalog titles or even the latest.
If I may add, IMhO, if you use the really good processors & amps, even the sound is near HD. I have gone to a fellow member's setup with a good receiver and all power amped. We compared the difference of compressed & uncompressed, SD & HD.
There is a difference of course, favouring the uncompressed format. But its not a night & day difference, and IMO (and in my pocket's opinion ;D), its not worth double dipping on that same DVD. Specially for people like me who dont rewatch movies (till about 2-3 years). I actually still have so many R1 titles ( that I have watched before already, somewhere else) that I havent opened! :D
Another dilemma of course, is the companion factor. In my case, its my wife. She also seldom rewatches a movie, so if I ask her if she wants to watch a rerun (maybe even if it was HD), she would choose an unwatched DVD instead.
Better to rent than to buy, LOL. Somebody please open an HD rental shop! (hint, hint to those with huge HD collections ;) )
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I think the "upscaling player is near HD" is more of " producing PQ that is good enough for most" We know that dvd is no match for HD, but for those with cash that can purchase the expensive processors or the really good dvd players, I think that is "good enough" PQ wise especially on those catalog titles or even the latest. Now if these toshiba players come in at 199 to 299 price level, its more affordable for most of us, especially for those with a modest to big dvd library, Its worth it.
I have high hopes for Toshiba's new strategy. There's no official word from Toshiba yet, but here's what I understood from my google searches:
Rumor has it that Toshiba's new upscaler is no scam. It's not going to be the present upscaling model that upconverts the present image in real time. It's going to be a new technology, most probably a multiple-frame SR (Super-resolution) technique.
As an example of SR technique, Wikipedia cites PhotoAcute software, which combines the present frame with 4 prior frames and 4 subsequent frames to make 1 Super-resolution image.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/Super-resolution_example_closeup.png)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super-resolution
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I have high hopes for Toshiba's new strategy. There's no official word from Toshiba yet, but here's what I understood from my google searches:
Rumor has it that Toshiba's new upscaler is no scam. It's not going to be the present upscaling model that upconverts the present image in real time. It's going to be a new technology, most probably a multiple-frame SR (Super-resolution) technique.
As an example of SR technique, Wikipedia cites PhotoAcute software, which combines the present frame with 4 prior frames and 4 subsequent frames to make 1 Super-resolution image.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/Super-resolution_example_closeup.png)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super-resolution
If Toshiba's new player can do that to SD video........
Then HD DVD just might have some company in the cemetery.
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:D :D :D
Hindi naman siguro. SD will never beat HD, that much we can be sure of. Yung picture sa Wikipedia, still picture lang yata, not motion video.
The good thing about Super-resolution tech is that it is not really a new technology. First time I heard about it was in the field of astronomy photos/videos, for further increasing resolution of images from high-powered telescopes.
Toshiba already demoed the tech least year, but they only had computer applications in mind at the time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1qxa1zv5uI
Now that HD DVD is dead and buried, they're thinking about a different approach.
To me, the price of upgrading a player is peanuts. It's the price of upgrading 500 DVD discs to Blu-ray that'll kill you. ;)
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To me, the price of upgrading a player is peanuts. It's the price of upgrading 500 DVD discs to Blu-ray that'll kill you. ;)
I agree. Thats why being stringent in choosing Blu-ray titles is a must for me. ;)
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with Warner Phils. releasing BDs locally at 800, pwede na!!! ^_^
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Hmmm if Tosh's new super-resolution can really do what it claims to do.
Then I am all for it, I wanna see how far can these new players push my current DVD collection.
;)
And I'm not really too keen on going blu.
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If Toshiba's new player can do that to SD video........
Then HD DVD just might have some company in the cemetery.
hehe it's very dull to be lonely. ;D
Thats why being stringent in choosing Blu-ray titles is a must for me. ;)
Same here...now my newest strategy is: Blu-ray + HD Download. :)
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Pioneer develops 400GB Blu-ray compatible disc
Posted at: 11:33am 7th July 2008
by Ben Hardwidge
16-layer disc maintains compatibility with Blu-ray
and provides masses of storage space
(http://www.custompc.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_190/it_photo_95250_28.jpg)
http://www.custompc.co.uk/news/602907/pioneer-develops-400gb-blu-ray-compatible-disc.html
How about Rome - The Complete 1st and 2nd Seasons, plus special features, on 1 high-def disc? :o
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....Rumor has it that Toshiba's new upscaler is no scam. It's not going to be the present upscaling model that upconverts the present image in real time. It's going to be a new technology, most probably a multiple-frame SR (Super-resolution) technique.....
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/Super-resolution_example_closeup.png)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super-resolution
Looks like a "super noise-reduction" technique to me, because the image is still soft, only the noise where removed almost 100%. This is very good if implemented in digital still camera.
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not in the future, but something that's already here:
a 10 million-pixel display, and here is how it looks
(http://dvice.com/pics/Comcast-10-million-pixel-display.jpg)
article here (http://www.dvice.com/archives/2008/06/this_is_what_10.php?p=2#more.)
and this is another version of 10 megapixels, a projector from meridian capable of 4,000 x 2400
(http://www.cepro.com/images/uploads/Meridianteaser.jpg)
that article is here (http://www.cepro.com/article/meridian_m810_projector_processor_delivers_digital_nirvana/#When:16:00:00Z)
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Wow!
It's good to know that "Beyond-HD" resolution is slowly becoming more common.
10 Mp video resolution is commonly called "4K resolution" (4096 x 2048 pixels).
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This is what they should be doing if they really want to kill SD DVD:
Group peers into 3-D future for Blu-Ray
Rick Merritt
EE Times
(08/21/2008 1:59 PM EDT)
SAN JOSE, Calif. — The Blu-Ray Disc Association is developing its position on stereoscopic 3-D under growing pressure from Hollywood studios who want to create a home video market for their rising number of stereo 3-D movies.
http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=210200055
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Samsung: "Blu-ray has 5 years left"
INTERVIEW: Andy Griffiths, director of consumer electronics, Samsung UK
3 September 2008 16:17 GMT
by Stuart Miles
Samsung has said that it sees the Blu-ray format only lasting a further 5 years before it is replaced by another format or technology.
http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/17399/18423/samsung-blu-ray-5-years-left.phtml
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I think the HiDef downloads are starting to eat up the BD at present. So did BD actually really won the war? Too early to tell.
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I think the HiDef downloads are starting to eat up the BD at present. So did BD actually really won the war? Too early to tell.
i agree .. :D
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We are actually somewhat experiencing the future of HD already here in the Philippines, just watch movies at the Gateway Cineplex Dolby Digital Cinemas, they now use the Christie's 2K digital projectors. Many people are still not aware that they were watching 2K digital master projections of their favorite hollywood releases. This is a possible immediate future for Philippine cinema, many of which are now doing digital intermediate mastering at least on HD before recording back to film. The digital theaters would now eradicate the need to output back onto film for theatrical release, significantly cutting down distribution costs for independent producers. 2K resolution (slightly higher than HD) is the desirable minimum (4k would be excelllent!) but HD might do well enough for the already suffering Filipino film industry. I think SM North annex already has a digital 2k theater and many other cineplexes would soon follow suit.
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lol @ HD race..di pa ba masaya yung malinaw na pics? sino ba sa atin ang nanonood ng nakadikit ang mata sa lcd/plasma screens?
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Interesting article here:
Poll finds that physical media is dying...
http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/22/poll-finds-that-physical-media-is-dying-hd-dvd-as-popular-as-blu-ray/
(http://www.crunchgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/harris2.jpg)
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I still prefer physical media though, whatever they may say.
There's nothing like the feeling of having "physically" owned or owning of your favorite movie, music or game. Not to mention quality. (although we might argue of the environment but that's another argument all together.)
Seeing that there's not much price difference between physical and digital downloads, in fact some media are cheaper in physical form than they're downloadable counterparts, I'm still inclined to go the physical route. I mean, digital distribution should lessen the cost to about 30-50% of their original physical forms shouldn't they?
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I still prefer physical media though, whatever they may say.
There's nothing like the feeling of having "physically" owned or owning of your favorite movie, music or game. Not to mention quality. (although we might argue of the environment but that's another argument all together.)
Don't forget the most important point, one that publishers are glossing over—physical media can be resold.
I mean, digital distribution should lessen the cost to about 30-50% of their original physical forms shouldn't they?
They should, but they don't.
I can pick up a brand new copy of Warhawk for the PS3 for around $35 (P 1,600). I can also buy and download the game from the PSN store for $30.
I can buy a mint condition used copy of Warhawk for P1000 (or around $21). If I buy a brand new copy, I can also resell it later on even for as low as P800 (~ $17) which brings my cost of acquisition/play to only $18.
In either case, physical media actually comes out cheaper.
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Don't forget the most important point, one that publishers are glossing over—physical media can be resold.
Oh yes. One of the most important things. Thank you for reminding me that. Physical copies serve also as a nice display or conversational piece.
I can buy a mint condition used copy of Warhawk for P1000 (or around $21). If I buy a brand new copy, I can also resell it later on even for as low as P800 (~ $17) which brings my cost of acquisition/play to only $18.
True. I actually got my copy of Warhawk $10 at Amazon's Black Friday deals last year.
Take this for example, The Killers' Day and Age album:
$11.99 on itunes. That's a 192kbps list of tracks. Good, but not great.
On CD it's $9.99, that's a physical disc with art and inserts and i could do what I want and rip em up to 320kbps or FLAC for better audio fidelity.
Also, Live from the Royal Albert Hall:
$12.99, that includes the whole, uncompressed live music on CD with a DVD of the concert.
on iTunes, that's $12.99 for a lousy compressed video and music.
Anyway on topic, since i've noticed the HD video streaming rentals, like Netflix, do not exist here, we're a long way off. Bandwidth (or lack of) is the primary concern along with international licensing issues.
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If Toshiba's new player can do that to SD video........
Then HD DVD just might have some company in the cemetery.
Well just imagine this, if that technology can do that to an SD Video then imagine what it can do to an HD video. If they can further enhance and upscale a Full HD Video to a Super HD video you can have a really big screen and still ahve a superb detail on the picture.
SD is just that, HD will always be a mile ahead no matter what.
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For me, 1080p should end with 42" TVs. Anything above 42" should already have the 1080p source material upscaled to 2k resolution. The dot pitch of 1080p at 42" already makes the pixels obvious at 4ft viewing.
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For me, 1080p should end with 42" TVs. Anything above 42" should already have the 1080p source material upscaled to 2k resolution. The dot pitch of 1080p at 42" already makes the pixels obvious at 4ft viewing.
I respectfully disagree with this. My 50V 1080p plasma has such fine resolution, that I cannot see the resolution lines that are obviously masking the image on 720p plasmas. My regular sitting distance is between 1.6 to 2.0 meters only.
IMO, 1080p is sufficient up to 65V. For 103V, certainly not enough - but then again nobody is supposed to watch a 103V panel from 4ft.
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But the grids will most likely be obvious starting at 8 ft. The higher the screen size for the same resolution, the wider apart are the grids and the lower the dot pitch. In the same way that some 480 materials can be upscaled nicely on a 32 inch dsiplay. A 1080p matieral will look even more gorgeous upscaled in a 2k 60 inch display.
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Future of HD?
How about HD in 3D? See this Sony article..
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201001/10-002E/index.html (http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201001/10-002E/index.html)
;D
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The future is very bright for HD, even in the Philippines. I'm just about to have my dream beachside house built and in it will be a dedicated Home Theatre. In this room I intend to have a Full HD (3D) front projection system and 7.1 (7.2/ 9.2) surround sound system. The problem is prices. I visited a home cinema retailer here in Cebu to inquire about the price of the Panasonic AE-4000 and Epson HC8100. I almost had a cardiac, they did not have the Panny 4000 but offered the earlier 3000 for 140,000 PhP. I can buy the 4000 and have it shipped from the US for less than 100,000 PhP. They did not have the Epson 8100 but again offered me a hd ready (720P) projector for 130 K. I can get the 8100 shipped price of 70K and that is a full HD (1080P) projector, hell I can even buy the 8500UB for 120K including courier from the States. Talk about pulling our pants down around our ankles. The prices here for electronics is beyond a joke. They wont stop parallel imports until they reduce prices, drastically.
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congratulations on your future ht :)
imo 140k for the ae3000 isn't too bad. when i bought mine from the US, the street price was $2500 with the exchange rate around $1:P49. the local price was P160k. the ae4000 on the other hand, debuted in the states for $2000, $500 less than the ae3000.
front projection systems here in the Philippines are pricier because the market for it is very small compared to the US market. among the locally available brands, imo panasonic has the closest price compared to the states. it around 20% higher. other brands like epson are almost twice as expensive. but i think the prices for other types of displays(32-42" plasma/lcd) are at par with other countries.
if you still think the price for a front projector is bad, just wait till you ask how much a decent screen costs ;D manual screens from Da-lite and OS are around 50k+. electric screens are around 100k ;D lesser known brands are cheaper, around 10-20k.
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I visited a home cinema retailer here in Cebu to inquire about the price of the Panasonic AE-4000 and Epson HC8100. I almost had a cardiac, they did not have the Panny 4000 but offered the earlier 3000 for 140,000 PhP. I can buy the 4000 and have it shipped from the US for less than 100,000 PhP.
Recently, I came across a local retailer who take special order of the Panny AE4000 at around 120k. Yes, it certainly will be much cheaper if you can import the unit yourself.
but i think the prices for other types of displays(32-42" plasma/lcd) are at par with other countries.
Not sure about the other brands but as for SONY Phil, I can say for sure that our local price is ridiculously way too high....there's one time I was eyeing a specific model & shocked to discover the local price was about 60% higher than in Malaysia! :o
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Thanks for the heads up pchin. Do you have a name/ number for the merchant selling the PT-AE4000 for 120PhP?
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Thanks for the heads up pchin. Do you have a name/ number for the merchant selling the PT-AE4000 for 120PhP?
Bro try checking out at Audible Illusions. Also, there's a PDVD member who take special order from US tru seafreight which might arrive around 120k.
If you visit HK, you can buy & hand carry it from Hivizone (around 120k)
http://www.hivizone.com/local-shop/projector.htm
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Recently, I came across a local retailer who take special order of the Panny AE4000 at around 120k. Yes, it certainly will be much cheaper if you can import the unit yourself.
Not sure about the other brands but as for SONY Phil, I can say for sure that our local price is ridiculously way too high....there's one time I was eyeing a specific model & shocked to discover the local price was about 60% higher than in Malaysia! :o
Hi pchin, I'm also interested in contact details of the retailer taking orders for the Panny AE400. Will he provide some sort of warranty too? Thanks! :)
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Audible Illusions address:
Unit D, 50 Timog Ave, QC
Tel: 02-3743620
*Tnx Eric for the correction ;D
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i think you mean Audible Illusions?
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No problem Paul :) just to add, it's right next to where Lexus used to be ;)
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Thanks guys for the quick response.
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Keep zipping between the AE4000 and 8100. Was steering toward the 4000 but after hearing about just how good the image of the Epson is in a light controlled home theatre and how much longer the (cheaper) bulb lasts I think it will be the Epson 8100 / 8500.