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Title: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: gearhead on Oct 01, 2007 at 12:47 PM
i have the software (LP's) to play na and planning to add more pa in the future. problema wala pa akong turntable to play them with. actually, i do have one pero it's out of service for now. it's a 110V unit that was plugged to 220V. i could have it repaired but there are quite a few more problems pa, like putol yung cueing lever and wala na ring dust cover.

so i shopped around for 2nd hand and new tables. some did come around sa b&s section pero i have issues with most of them.... primarily the need to get a separate phono-pre. a pro-ject with phonobox did came kaya lang not replaceable naman ang headshell nya, for the time i want to use another headshell/cart combo. the sl-1200 used is in the range of my budget pero the ones i saw were either repainted, walang dust cover or walang included cart. it is built like a tank but i won't be moving it naman after i have it setup. besides, i'm not a scratch artist also.

researching some more for the features i want, i came upon the Audio Technica AT-PL120. it has a built-in phono pre-amp, a semi-audiophile (not scratch or dj cart) cartridge, s-shaped tonearm, nice dust cover, 10kg base, servo quartz-controlled DD motor, tonearm height adjustment, pitch control. good thing also that both the built-in preamp and included cartridge are both getting quite nice reviews/feedbacks/comments.

here's some pics.

(http://www.covingtoninnovations.com/michael/blog/0512/051221-adjustment.jpg)   (http://images4.thomann.de/pics/prod/185630.jpg) 

(http://lloydskoyd.com/files/atpl120.jpg)  (http://akamaipix.crutchfield.com/ca/reviews/20040224/AT_PL120.jpg)

for @P15k landed price for a brand new unit, ok na kaya ito? how would you compare it ba with the entry level regas/pro-jects/GR's? if someone's interested, u can pm me baka sakali kasi makahingi pa discount if more than one.

thanks for reading and will wait for your comments.
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: docsialu on Dec 19, 2007 at 08:21 PM
mukhang maganda ito ah, where is this selling?
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: gearhead on Dec 19, 2007 at 09:39 PM
had mine shipped from abroad. was looking for a group buy sana pero di na rin nakatiis kasi inaamag na yung mga plaka ko.  :D the unit will be here anytime soon, in time for the christmas season. (hmm... wala pa pala akong plaka na pang-christmas carols).  ::)
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: Superman on Dec 20, 2007 at 01:04 AM
congrats gearhead...seems very similar to the SL-1200mk2...
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: gearhead on Dec 20, 2007 at 01:58 AM
and that's at less than half the price. also, the sl-1200's a bit too much for me in all aspects, be it in size, weight, features, or cash outlay. so the A/T PL-120 is just about perfect for my needs.
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: accastil on Dec 20, 2007 at 06:53 AM
mukhang technics SL1200 ito pre...ganda.
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: The Analog Source on Dec 20, 2007 at 09:10 AM
i also saw a stanton brand thats a carbon copy of the sl-1200. :) bro, saan gawa un at na yan? japan pa din? un stanton kasi made in taiwan
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: gearhead on Dec 20, 2007 at 11:54 AM
i've done quite a semi-extensive research before settling on the audio-technica.
well, not to diss other brands naman but this is just a summary of what i gathered:
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: bongskicool on Dec 24, 2007 at 06:29 PM
ok yan audio-technica TT sir..dumating na ba? nasubukan mo na?..way over my budget din ang technics 1200MK2 (pero pangarap ko pa rin magkaroon)..so i settled muna with this, parang pareho din ng 1200 except dun sa base ng tone arm.. mas kamukha ng 1200 yan sa iyo sir:
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2224/2102509898_3cd618c9c3.jpg?v=0)
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2226/2102507084_0166927f5b.jpg?v=0)
i haven't tried it yet, the counter weight (yun ba tawag dun? un nasalikod ng tone-arm para mag balance) is missing..a friend told me that there is a stanton service center along edsa/munoz sana meron dun, wala pa kasing time pumunta, pero kung wala, kasya din ang pang technics eh.. di ko lang alam kung saan makakakuha..pag mayroon kayo pls. text me..neways, congratz sa B-new audio Technica TT mo sir..enjoy 8) 8)
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: gearhead on Dec 25, 2007 at 04:02 AM
ok yan audio-technica TT sir..dumating na ba? nasubukan mo na?..way over my budget din ang technics 1200MK2 (pero pangarap ko pa rin magkaroon)..so i settled muna with this, parang pareho din ng 1200 except dun sa base ng tone arm.. mas kamukha ng 1200 yan sa iyo sir:

i haven't tried it yet, the counter weight (yun ba tawag dun? un nasalikod ng tone-arm para mag balance) is missing..a friend told me that there is a stanton service center along edsa/munoz sana meron dun, wala pa kasing time pumunta, pero kung wala, kasya din ang pang technics eh.. di ko lang alam kung saan makakakuha..pag mayroon kayo pls. text me..neways, congratz sa B-new audio Technica TT mo sir..enjoy 8) 8)

waaahh.... nauna pa dumating t/t mo. iyong sa akin ilang weeks (months) na nga hanggang ngayon wala pa rin.  :'(  i was promised last week pa and sadly i'm still waiting for it. sayang long vacation pa naman ngayon. 10 albums a day di ko pa maubos pakinggan mga LP's that are waiting for me. iyong iba nga nun sa iyo pa yata galing!

problema nga yan kung walang counterweight. ano kaya ang tracking force niyan kapag ganyan?  ;D  almost sl-1200 heritage din ito, ah. i like that it's probably a bit smaller and probably lighter than even the PL-120. also, the more important thing is the right cartridge/stylus/pre-amp combo for the job. it's what will make the record sing. btw, is that a used one? bagong-bago pa ang hitsura... except of course for the lack of the counterweight. di ba sa iyo yung sony t/t? was it sold na ba? so, ito yung sinasabi mong kapalit. congrats, brother and good luck on your search for a suitable counterweight. hassle ano!!?
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: bongskicool on Dec 25, 2007 at 04:06 PM
waaahh.... nauna pa dumating t/t mo. iyong sa akin ilang weeks (months) na nga hanggang ngayon wala pa rin.  :'(  i was promised last week pa and sadly i'm still waiting for it. sayang long vacation pa naman ngayon. 10 albums a day di ko pa maubos pakinggan mga LP's that are waiting for me. iyong iba nga nun sa iyo pa yata galing!

problema nga yan kung walang counterweight. ano kaya ang tracking force niyan kapag ganyan?  ;D  almost sl-1200 heritage din ito, ah. i like that it's probably a bit smaller and probably lighter than even the PL-120. also, the more important thing is the right cartridge/stylus/pre-amp combo for the job. it's what will make the record sing. btw, is that a used one? bagong-bago pa ang hitsura... except of course for the lack of the counterweight. di ba sa iyo yung sony t/t? was it sold na ba? so, ito yung sinasabi mong kapalit. congrats, brother and good luck on your search for a suitable counterweight. hassle ano!!?

used na ito sir, may crack pa nga sa dust cover..ya, sold na ang sonyTT,..kaasar nga eh hindi ko magamit.. buti na lang may spare pa akong belt drive na TT..Happy Holidays  8) 8) madami dating LPs sa january ;D
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: gearhead on Jan 07, 2008 at 04:17 PM
i've received several inquiries for this unit. if anyone is truly interested i can facilitate the ordering for the group (sort of a semi-group buy). i've got mine from a dealer friend... but this isn't your regular A/T dealer, so support will be very minimal. returns would probably be only limited to shipping damage, plus maybe a few weeks for testing if there's any manufacturing defects. this is also to minimize cost to the bare minimum, but if you want peace of mind it may cost probably a small premium. this isn't too far off naman to ordering online... albeit with lesser risk and minimal hassle (you don't pay the full price until you're sure your unit's in excellent condition and is working).

price will be in the vicinity of P14k give or take (the exch. rate at the time of order will prevail). just remember this includes the built-in preamp already, plus the included cart/stylus combo. i just wanna have a feel of the number of those seriously interested. please signify your intentions na lang here (in the absence of the HT marketplace) and we'll just PM the details afterwards.

(mods: don't know if this is out of bounds already, so i will gladly delete this if it is so.)
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: bongskicool on Jan 07, 2008 at 05:37 PM
i've received several inquiries for this unit. if anyone is truly interested i can facilitate the ordering for the group (sort of a semi-group buy). i've got mine from a dealer friend... but this isn't your regular A/T dealer, so support will be very minimal. returns would probably be only limited to shipping damage, plus maybe a few weeks for testing if there's any manufacturing defects. this is also to minimize cost to the bare minimum, but if you want peace of mind it may cost probably a small premium. this isn't too far off naman to ordering online... albeit with lesser risk and minimal hassle (you don't pay the full price until you're sure your unit's in excellent condition and is working).

price will be in the vicinity of P14k give or take (the exch. rate at the time of order will prevail). just remember this includes the built-in preamp already, plus the included cart/stylus combo. i just wanna have a feel of the number of those seriously interested. please signify your intentions na lang here (in the absence of the HT marketplace) and we'll just PM the details afterwards.

(mods: don't know if this is out of bounds already, so i will gladly delete this if it is so.)

hi sir.. dumating na ba? post ka naman ng impressions mo sa TT n yan.. or maybe actual pics? medyo interesado ako..
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: jetstar on May 01, 2008 at 03:59 AM
Sir, please give a review. I'm also considering this TT.
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: gearhead on May 02, 2008 at 02:10 PM
aaargh. dami pala naghintay ng feedback.

just for whetting your appetite on this unit, i understand i owe it to you guys to give a feedback/review na. to tell you honestly though... it's still all boxed up and waiting to be set up. in the interim time that i was waiting for it and the time it arrived, my interest had been diverted to some other concerns.

but i'm still excited na rin to try this out since kahit di ko siya magagamit masyado, i still don't intend on selling my unit. if anybody's really interested, i could try and order one for you... that is if you're not in a hurry. matagal din kasi ang delivery nila. mine took almost 2 months yata before it arrived.

i don't have much experience pa with T/T's talaga... that is, with the pro type tables. meron kami noon is a phonograph. yung 2nd hand T/T ko naman di ko talaga masyadong nagamit before it was fried sa 220v. sound quality naman woud depend mostly sa ancillary equipment, so i don't know really what kind of feedback i can offer.
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: gearhead000 on Aug 01, 2009 at 09:04 PM
buhayin natin. more than a year had passed from my last post before i finally hauled
this gear out of its box. a few months more and this would have had its 2nd year
anniversary already from the day it was delivered to me last 2008.  ;D

here it is fresh out of the box... with the rca cords still in plastic.

(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6954/dsc4184.jpg)

this is one hefty piece of equipment. the manual says 23.4lbs or around 10kgs.

(http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4928/dsc4189i.jpg)
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: gearhead000 on Aug 01, 2009 at 09:30 PM
the turntable tonearm assembly.

(http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/4421/dsc4186k.jpg)

closer view, now with the counterweight attached and showing the switch for
the built-in phono preamp under the platter:

(http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/1750/dsc4195y.jpg)
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: gearhead000 on Aug 01, 2009 at 09:41 PM
the power switch, speed selector, start-stop button, and voltage selector (115/230V).

(http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/1292/dsc4187.jpg)

it can go +/-10% or +/-20% in pitch control adjustment... one of those features i
may not have much use of though.

(http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/4280/dsc4188o.jpg)
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: gearhead000 on Aug 01, 2009 at 10:06 PM
the backside (or bottom) of the AT-PL120. i couldn't tell if it was some kind of rubber
or just plain ABS plastic. the turntable feet has some kind of suction effect on it
especially on flat, smooth surfaces such as the glass on my sabre a/v rack.

(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/992/dsc4193.jpg)

reading some reviews, some are complaining about the length and quality of the
rca cable, but for my purposes... i find them more than adequate in both counts.
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: gearhead000 on Aug 01, 2009 at 10:16 PM
semi-assembled, still without the platter mat and not powered yet.

(http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/6479/dsc4197.jpg)

now ready to play good music. counterweight, and thus VTF, is set at 2.0 grams.
recommended though is 3-5 grams. anti-skating is set at 1 gm of force. manual
says to adjust same as with the counterweight setting, but i noticed even with
anti-skate at 0 the tonearm is being pulled back away from the spindle already.
tonearm height was adjusted by 1mm to account for the thick rubber platter i got
from an old technics. out of the box the t/t comes with a felt mat.

(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1253/dsc4199l.jpg)
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: Superman on Aug 01, 2009 at 10:42 PM
CONGRATS! Where did you buy this?? Very similar looks with its Technics counterpart (SL-1200)
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: gearhead000 on Aug 02, 2009 at 08:54 AM
CONGRATS! Where did you buy this?? Very similar looks with its Technics counterpart (SL-1200)

thanks, sups! i ordered mine from an importer i know. total cost then last 2007 was
@ P13.9k, though i could see the current price has gone down a bit further.

(http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/2978/dsc4215.jpg)

Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: reznor on Aug 06, 2009 at 04:18 PM
Hi Sir, is it true that there is no ground wire? just the 2 RCA? Is there an issue on hum ba talaga based on amazon feedback?

Thanks
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: gearhead000 on Aug 30, 2009 at 12:51 AM
hi reznor,

yes, there is no ground wire... just the single stereo cable. electrically i can detect
no hum, but sometimes i do get sort of a low rumble of which i'm not sure of the
origin. originally i thought it's motor hum, coz it manifests itself about 3/4ths of the
way up to the end of the record. but lately i noticed that this is only true with some
discs, as others are perfectly quiet.

(http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4628/dsc4217.jpg)
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: gearhead000 on Sep 19, 2009 at 01:27 PM
i'm one happy camper right now.

(http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/6841/dsc5478copy.jpg)

finally got to upgrade my cart to the very well-regarded shure m97xe.

(http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/1020/dsc5479copy.jpg)
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: gearhead000 on Sep 19, 2009 at 01:53 PM
wow, was i in love with this cart from the first listen, which means it even hasn't
a chance to break-in yet. i just came from a shure hi-fi budget cart (M92e) and
a DJ cart (the A/T ATP-2xn), and both are capable units but nothing close to this
amazing cart from shure. i know the sound may not be for everyone though.

(http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/853/dsc5476copy.jpg)

i'm starting to really listen to my records once again. it's just like the music in
them being resurrected from a long entombment. we used to play these discs
using a radio phonograph with ceramic cartridge and sapphire needles.   :o

(http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3709/dsc5484copy.jpg)

now, the music really has a chance to breathe with this fantastic combination.
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: gearhead000 on Oct 11, 2009 at 12:56 AM
add ko lang. presenting again the m97xe.  ;)

(http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/1052/dsc5690.jpg)

isa pa. from the front. 8)

(http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2871/dsc5683.jpg)

and from the top. thanks to bro. jen for the nice original technics headshell.  ;D

(http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/4169/dsc5693.jpg)

alignment is stevenson's, as with the original technics overhang gauge (52mm).
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: gearhead000 on Oct 11, 2009 at 05:26 AM
medyo budget naman.  ::)

(http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/8232/dsc5704.jpg)

the shure m92e in an audio-technica headshell. alignment is baerwald.

(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/796/dsc5702.jpg)

if i use stevenson kasi, it will be much too deep into the headshell. ang pangit. hehe!
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: JoeyGS on Oct 11, 2009 at 08:50 AM
congrats gearhead......so which do you like amongst your carts. ;D
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: gearhead000 on Oct 11, 2009 at 03:31 PM
sir tukayo, the jury's still out on which is superior, as for me they both have their own good suit.

my previous setup was with my h/k 5550 AVR, diamond 9.5 fronts, with the m97xe cart mounted on an A/T headshell. i also had a shure m99e that came with an old t/t mounted on an A/T aluminum headshell. the floods came and i had to dismantle everything. meantime, i ordered a technics headshell thru bro. jen and bought a new m92e coz i wanted it to match the black headshell. the m99e is silver bodied.

initially i had the new m92e with the technics headshell but it was sort of odd looking with the cart sticking out from the short h/s. so i got out the m99e from the A/T headshell instead and transferred the m97xe to the technics. as you can see from the pics, i guess i have them down pat as far as aesthetics go. (so i am left with a spare A/T headshell, an ATP-2XN cart and the shure m99e).  8)

i decided to have a minimalist setup for now not until i am sure no water is ever going to touch my gears. so i have the turntable connected thru a marantz pm-88 SE and a pair of KLH 3-way speakers. i had the chance to compare the KLH with the 9.5 and the wharfe is more forward sounding, with a seeming dip in the KLH's midrange. the 9.5 sort of matches the m97xe quite well, with the slightly brighter and open m92e matching well with the KLH. the m97xe though seems to be the better all-around performer, with more body and cleaner delivery.

i just bought the m92e as an everyday cart for when someone may want to fiddle with the t/t for themselves. (it's not as if they will be missing a lot though with the m92e... it's a damn good performer for the ridiculously low price).   ::)  i'm not sure i could do any more comparisons for now as my neighbors might be annoyed already with me having to repeat whole records for each cart combination.   ;D
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: tarsi on Oct 11, 2009 at 04:18 PM
ang pogi bro hehehe congrats  ;D

im also listening to mine right now ;)

add ko lang. presenting the m97xe.  ;)

(http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/1052/dsc5690.jpg)

isa pa. from the front. 8)

(http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2871/dsc5683.jpg)

and from the top. thanks to bro. jen for the nice original technics headshell.  ;D

(http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/4169/dsc5693.jpg)

alignment is stevenson's, as with the original technics overhang gauge (52mm).
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: gearhead000 on Oct 11, 2009 at 04:39 PM

im also listening to mine right now ;)


you mean the A/T PL-120? or the shure m97xe cart?

anyway, some more of my cart stash... this time the m99e.  ;) as i've said, it
came with an old technics turntable i acquired a long time ago, from which i
also got the rubber mat i am using right now with the AT-PL120, in lieu of the
felt mat that came bundled with it.

(http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/6350/dsc5717.jpg)

there was a time i mistook it for an m92e, albeit silver-bodied. recommended
replacement stylus for it is the n104e though, in lieu of the n99e. it's good that
the n92e stylus (as shown) had been quite a nice fit also.

(http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/7921/dsc5723.jpg)

and the complimentary top view. i don't plan of actually using this though. i'm
fine with the m92e and m97xe combo for now.

(http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/5354/dsc5714.jpg)
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: tarsi on Oct 12, 2009 at 12:19 PM
i meant the 97xe mounted on my dual table sir. :)
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: gearhead000 on Oct 12, 2009 at 12:34 PM
ah! what i really like about this cart is it's not tiring to listen to. it may not be as open sounding as the others but full-bodied and still detailed just the same... and the brush is really effective in more ways than one.
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: tarsi on Oct 13, 2009 at 10:48 AM
what brush? ;D ;D ;D i prefer not using it. to be honest with you, i used to hate how my 97xe sounded in my system and almost sold it to a friend. another friend, accastil, even described the sound like listening with the speakers turned away from you  ;D ;D ;D. this used to be my secondary cart next to my MC one and almost very seldom listened to. but nowwwww.....after some very small modification in my system, it is now like the holy grail of carts to me  :D :D :D (no violent reactions please)................pending the arrival of my new AT MM cart of course ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: gearhead000 on Oct 13, 2009 at 11:56 AM
what brush? ;D ;D ;D i prefer not using it. to be honest with you, i used to hate how my 97xe sounded in my system and almost sold it to a friend. another friend, accastil, even described the sound like listening with the speakers turned away from you  ;D ;D ;D. this used to be my secondary cart next to my MC one and almost very seldome listened to it. but nowwwww.....after some very small modification in my system, it is now like the holy grail of carts to me  :D :D :D (no violent reactions please)................pending the arrival of my new AT MM cart of course ::) ::) ::)

yes, i have read that... and i can understand his reaction. but then, it really needs synergy with the whole system and proper setup too. the first time i mounted it, i got lucky and hit the sweet spot immediately. i had been swapping headshells with it lately and i can hear changes in the aural delivery when the mounting isn't optimum. really have to be patient in setting it up properly.

i tried with the brush down/ brush up and i can't really detect any sonic differences, and since i know the brush was there for a purpose i just opted to use it always.
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: JoeyGS on Oct 13, 2009 at 12:36 PM
Hi Tarsi,

What particular modification made your M97xe sing?

Thanks and regards,
Joey

what brush? ;D ;D ;D i prefer not using it. to be honest with you, i used to hate how my 97xe sounded in my system and almost sold it to a friend. another friend, accastil, even described the sound like listening with the speakers turned away from you  ;D ;D ;D. this used to be my secondary cart next to my MC one and almost very seldome listened to it. but nowwwww.....after some very small modification in my system, it is now like the holy grail of carts to me  :D :D :D (no violent reactions please)................pending the arrival of my new AT MM cart of course ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: Superman on Oct 13, 2009 at 01:08 PM
CONGRATULATIONS, Joey! :D
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: gearhead000 on Oct 14, 2009 at 01:13 PM
thanks, bro. jen. and thanks again sa technics headshell and hassle-free transaction.   ;)
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: tarsi on Oct 15, 2009 at 12:08 PM
hi joey,

i mounted the 97xe on my dual table which has a straight low mass type tone arm since it was initially mounted in my sl1200. replaced my power tubes with a quad winged c (el34), the 12ax7 by a pair of GEs (not sure what particular model since hand me down lang and medyo burado na ung print sa glass) and the 12 au7 with a 5814A.

TO MY EARS (and the wife's ;D), i like the outcome. deeper bass, lusher mids, added high extension and this it what i liked most...wider soundstage. all of these plus the retained overall clarity. though i could still use a little more sparkle in the highs dept.

the thing is, before the changes, the midrange is so pronounced which most of the time makes listening to rock/wave LPs unbearable and almost lifeless.

how does your m97xe sound in your set-up?



Hi Tarsi,

What particular modification made your M97xe sing?

Thanks and regards,
Joey

Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: tarsi on Oct 15, 2009 at 12:18 PM
good for you bro it took me some time to finally like this cart. i was even experiencing slight sibilance with it. but now this cart is getting the playing time it deserves. :D :D :D

yes, i have read that... and i can understand his reaction. but then, it really needs synergy with the whole system and proper setup too. the first time i mounted it, i got lucky and hit the sweet spot immediately. i had been swapping headshells with it lately and i can hear changes in the aural delivery when the mounting isn't optimum. really have to be patient in setting it up properly.

i tried with the brush down/ brush up and i can't really detect any sonic differences, and since i know the brush was there for a purpose i just opted to use it always.
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: gearhead000 on Oct 15, 2009 at 12:45 PM
as i said, when swapping it to another headshell... i had it aligned using the Stevenson protractor. this also corresponds to the technics overhang gauge which i don't have. but i measured the needle tip to collar distance and it is exactly 52mm with the protractor same as what you will get with the gauge. also, the mounting screws are smack dab in the center of the slot.

the thing is i could detect a lot of distortion when playing loud whether in the inner or outer groove. this isn't what i heard upon my initial setup... as i said i hit the sweet spot during my first mounting. the Shure M92 is fully forward in the slot as it was aligned thru the Baerwald protractor, and i couldn't detect those kind of distortion. so what i did was move the cart unit slightly forward, and voila... much less distortion and the sound is now more open and sweet. from the correct point in the protractor, i can see it moved like about 1-2mm, which makes it now 53-54mm from the collar. i remember this to be the same distance when i mounted it initially.

you can try it too, but if you're already contented now... maybe just enjoy the music more.   :D


anyway, here's the link to the protractor i am using if you don't have it already:

KWillis Universal Accutrak Protractor Version 2 PDF Format (http://downloads.nakedresource.com/download_centre/index.php?accutrak_universal_protractor_v2.pdf)
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: JoeyGS on Oct 15, 2009 at 05:35 PM
Hi gearhead,

I am pretty successful utilizing the Baerwald - Technics Protractor.  Download it at vinylengine.com.  Please take note that when you print the protractor do not 'scale to fit'.. It should be printed in actual size.

Regards,
Joey


as i said, when swapping it to another headshell... i had it aligned using the Stevenson protractor. this also corresponds to the technics overhang gauge which i don't have. but i measured the needle tip to collar distance and it is exactly 52mm with the protractor same as what you will get with the gauge. also, the mounting screws are smack dab in the center of the slot.

the thing is i could detect a lot of distortion when playing loud whether in the inner or outer groove. this isn't what i heard upon my initial setup... as i said i hit the sweet spot during my first mounting. the Shure M92 is fully forward in the slot as it was aligned thru the Baerwald protractor, and i couldn't detect those kind of distortion. so what i did was move the cart unit slightly forward, and voila... much less distortion and the sound is now more open and sweet. from the correct point in the protractor, i can see it moved like about 1-2mm, which makes it now 53-54mm from the collar. i remember this to be the same distance when i mounted it initially.

you can try it too, but if you're already contented now... maybe just enjoy the music more.   :D


anyway, here's the link to the protractor i am using if you don't have it already:

KWillis Universal Accutrak Protractor Version 2 PDF Format (http://downloads.nakedresource.com/download_centre/index.php?accutrak_universal_protractor_v2.pdf)
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: JoeyGS on Oct 15, 2009 at 05:38 PM
My m97xe has a big soundstage, tight bass, lush mids, and the highs are a bit dark or warm. The highs lack extension.  Overall, its sound warm and non-fatiguing.  A friend of mine has a different experience where extended highs were pronounced, and this is due to the use of the Aikido phono preamp.


hi joey,

i mounted the 97xe on my dual table which has a straight low mass type tone arm since it was initially mounted in my sl1200. replaced my power tubes with a quad winged c (el34), the 12ax7 by a pair of GEs (not sure what particular model since hand me down lang and medyo burado na ung print sa glass) and the 12 au7 with a 5814A.

TO MY EARS (and the wife's ;D), i like the outcome. deeper bass, lusher mids, added high extension and this it what i liked most...wider soundstage. all of these plus the retained overall clarity. though i could still use a little more sparkle in the highs dept.

the thing is, before the changes, the midrange is so pronounced which most of the time makes listening to rock/wave LPs unbearable and almost lifeless.

how does your m97xe sound in your set-up?



Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: gearhead000 on Oct 15, 2009 at 08:20 PM
i mounted the 97xe on my dual table which has a straight low mass type tone arm since it was initially mounted in my sl1200.

so that's what with your preference for the brush up configuration. this has a high compliance cantilever which goes well with that low mass tonearm.

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replaced my power tubes with a quad winged c (el34), the 12ax7 by a pair of GEs (not sure what particular model since hand me down lang and medyo burado na ung print sa glass) and the 12 au7 with a 5814A.

wow... probably really nice to listen to. congratz.   :)
i am more easy to please. i am still using my pl-120's built-in phono pre.   :-[
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: nizmo on Oct 16, 2009 at 03:35 PM
My m97xe has a big soundstage, tight bass, lush mids, and the highs are a bit dark or warm. The highs lack extension.  Overall, its sound warm and non-fatiguing.  A friend of mine has a different experience where extended highs were pronounced, and this is due to the use of the Aikido phono preamp.



hi brader joeyGS
if you are looking for a cart with highs extended... try the gold ring 1012gx ;D
though it hasn't soundstage as big as the m97xe. 1012gx seems to be well esp in pop/rock/newwave.

Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: JoeyGS on Oct 16, 2009 at 04:28 PM
Thanks Fr Jim for the tip.  However,  If i were to upgrade, I might as well get a cart with both big soundstage and extended highs.  Ipon lang muna.



hi brader joeyGS
if you are looking for a cart with highs extended... try the gold ring 1012gx ;D
though it hasn't soundstage as big as the m97xe. 1012gx seems to be well esp in pop/rock/newwave.


Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: Superman on Oct 16, 2009 at 04:38 PM
Thanks Fr Jim for the tip.  However,  If i were to upgrade, I might as well get a cart with both big soundstage and extended highs.  Ipon lang muna.




,,,and what cart should that be??  ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: JoeyGS on Oct 16, 2009 at 05:32 PM
Naku madami yan...ayoko pang isipin....ipon muna. ;D ;D ;D ;D

,,,and what cart should that be??  ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: nizmo on Oct 16, 2009 at 05:52 PM
,,,and what cart should that be??  ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D

palagay ko kabayang jen.... Audio Technica  Cart ;D ;D :o :o
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: Superman on Oct 16, 2009 at 07:57 PM
Naku madami yan...ayoko pang isipin....ipon muna. ;D ;D ;D ;D


Ano nga?? :D :D :D :D :D Paki-PM naman...hehehe!

PS: Naka-try ka na ng: Audio Technica AT-F3?? Tsaka Denon DL-103, DL-103R, DL-110, DL-109???
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: Superman on Oct 16, 2009 at 07:57 PM
palagay ko kabayang jen.... Audio Technica  Cart ;D ;D :o :o

Father, eh ang dami mo kayang cart, tapos dami mo ring TT!! :D
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: nizmo on Oct 16, 2009 at 08:35 PM
Ano nga?? :D :D :D :D :D Paki-PM naman...hehehe!

PS: Naka-try ka na ng: Audio Technica AT-F3?? Tsaka Denon DL-103, DL-103R, DL-110, DL-109???

mali pala ako.... di pala nag-iipon ng pambili ng cart,
nag-iipon pala ng cart si joeyGS ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: JoeyGS on Oct 17, 2009 at 06:58 AM
Meron an pong F3......Denon siguro....puwede

Ano nga?? :D :D :D :D :D Paki-PM naman...hehehe!

PS: Naka-try ka na ng: Audio Technica AT-F3?? Tsaka Denon DL-103, DL-103R, DL-110, DL-109???
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: JoeyGS on Oct 17, 2009 at 06:59 AM
HIndi naman.....looking for the right match lang po  ;D

mali pala ako.... di pala nag-iipon ng pambili ng cart,
nag-iipon pala ng cart si joeyGS ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: gearhead000 on Oct 17, 2009 at 09:47 AM
i'm playing donna summer right now... and i wouldn't say mcarthur's park and hot stuff sound unexciting with the m97xe. "bad girls" sounded, well... really BAD (in a nice way of course). ;D
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: retro12195 on Oct 17, 2009 at 02:24 PM
i'm playing donna summer right now... and i wouldn't say mcarthur's park and hot stuff sound unexciting with the m97xe. "bad girls" sounded, well... really BAD (in a nice way of course). ;D
sorry for the OT. try SILVER CONVENTION :o
Title: Re: Audio Technica AT-PL120
Post by: gearhead000 on Oct 17, 2009 at 02:55 PM
sorry for the OT. try SILVER CONVENTION :o

wow... is this album HOT..... or NOT!!!   ;D

(http://www.vinylrecords.ch/S/SI/Silver-Convention/Discothequev2/silver-convention-10.jpg)