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Home Theater => Displays => Flat Panels => Topic started by: SiCkBoY on Feb 11, 2008 at 11:10 PM
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Do you plug your TVs to any power strip or surge protector? Or is it plugged straight to the power outlet? What's the best and safest way to go about this?
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Skin ang ginawa ko is..
Outlet --> Surge protector --> AVR --> TV
Hope this helps..
:)
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nope. just a power strip with a fuse.
if you really want to go SAFE then go get a UPS. it should provide you stable power even if there is a brownout...you would have enough time to shutdown your system properly.
i dont even bother anymore...even with my laptop. good thing electricity is stable nowadays.
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My setup is:
Outlet ---> AVR ---> Surge Suppressor ---> TV
The surge suppressor is also supposed to clean intereference from your other house appliances.
The best protection I know of would be to use a sine wave UPS. With this, there is never a time when your appliance is directly connected to an external power source. Instead, the external power source is only used to supply power to and recharge your UPS batteries while your appliance directly sources its power from the UPS batteries. The UPS batteries produce a perfect sine wave power output at all times and also operates as a buffer to shield your appliance from "dirty" electrical power.
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I agree with tetablanco. I'm currently plugging my TV to a surge protector but I'm planning to purcahse a UPS to better protect my toys, my AVR is connected to an AVR but due to its low power rating (just 500watts max) I am constraint to use it solely for my AVR alone. Best way to set it up is via
outlet ---> surge protector ---> UPS ---> TV / AVR / players
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So, what kind of AVR do you use? Same with computer AVRs?
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Dati derecho ang LCD ko sa wall outlet.
Pero that changed after frequenting PDVD.
Ngayon
Outlet --> 1000w AVR --> Power Strip (with fuse) --> LCD
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Hi,
I suggest a servo AVR to protect your valuable electronic devices... These devices are vulnerable most especially when power has just been restored in your area after a power outage or fluctuation...
thanks!
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Most AVR's do not have surge protection.
So try also line conditioners with surge protectors.
Not only do you protect your gear from surge, you get better picture & sound quality for your HT!
Bada 3000w capacity line conditioner:
reviews here (http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=75093.msg780452#msg780452) (post #23) :
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/LB-3300body.jpg)
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/LB-3300blackfront.jpg).
Protect your precious investment with LCD & plasmas! Works even for PC's amplifiers, etc.
Repair cost from electrical surge damage may cost you MORE than the line conditioner itself! Think of that!!!
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This is one of my dilemma. I will be wall mounting my plasma tv. Problem is, I want the wall to be clean. I just wanna see the tv on my wall, meaning I don't want wires/cables running from the wall outlet and cable outlet which is located below the tv (near the floor). So I instructed the technician to "raise" the convenience outlet and cable outlet to be located behind the tv. Now, what I forgot is the line conditioner/Voltage regulator. I thought of just plugging the tv straight to the convenience outlet behind. My technician suggested to install a good grounding in my convenience outlet. Will this help protect surges? What can you suggest I should do? TIA
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I agree with tetablanco. I'm currently plugging my TV to a surge protector but I'm planning to purcahse a UPS to better protect my toys, my AVR is connected to an AVR but due to its low power rating (just 500watts max) I am constraint to use it solely for my AVR alone. Best way to set it up is via
outlet ---> surge protector ---> UPS ---> TV / AVR / players
There are two types of UPS - the Back Up type and the SMART type. For the Back Up type, the UPS batteries supply power only when the primary source (i.e. electric plug) is cut. For the SMART type, the UPS batteries directly supply power AT ALL TIMES so you get a perfect sine wave power output. Obviously, the SMART type is more expensive than the Back Up type. However, you might be able to get a good UPS deal from tipidpc.com . Buy a second-hand APC SMART UPS then get brand new batteries + diagnostics from the local APC service center (along EDSA near Gate 5 to Greenhills). The total cost would then be about 1/4 of the regular retail cost - comparable to a new Back Up type UPS.
;D
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There are two types of UPS - the Back Up type and the SMART type. For the Back Up type, the UPS batteries supply power only when the primary source (i.e. electric plug) is cut. For the SMART type, the UPS batteries directly supply power AT ALL TIMES so you get a perfect sine wave power output. Obviously, the SMART type is more expensive than the Back Up type. However, you might be able to get a good UPS deal from tipidpc.com . Buy a second-hand APC SMART UPS then get brand new batteries + diagnostics from the local APC service center (along EDSA near Gate 5 to Greenhills). The total cost would then be about 1/4 of the regular retail cost - comparable to a new Back Up type UPS.
;D
tnx bro.. that information surely helped me in scouting a UPS for my gears.. :D :D
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There are two types of UPS - the Back Up type and the SMART type. For the Back Up type, the UPS batteries supply power only when the primary source (i.e. electric plug) is cut. For the SMART type, the UPS batteries directly supply power AT ALL TIMES so you get a perfect sine wave power output. Obviously, the SMART type is more expensive than the Back Up type. However, you might be able to get a good UPS deal from tipidpc.com . Buy a second-hand APC SMART UPS then get brand new batteries + diagnostics from the local APC service center (along EDSA near Gate 5 to Greenhills). The total cost would then be about 1/4 of the regular retail cost - comparable to a new Back Up type UPS.
;D
Ayus to ah! Ako rin gamit ko lang from outlet -> to power strip -> to surge protector. Diko pa afford line conditioner e, saka UPS! konting ipon pa.
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READ!!!
Most AVR's do not have surge protection.
So try also line conditioners with surge protectors.
Not only do you protect your gear from surge, you get better picture & sound quality for your HT!
Bada 3000w capacity line conditioner:
reviews here (http://pinoydvd.com/board/index.php?topic=75093.msg780452#msg780452) (post #23) :
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/LB-3300body.jpg)
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b290/mhyap/LB-3300blackfront.jpg).
Protect your precious investment with LCD & plasmas! Works even for PC's amplifiers, etc.
Repair cost from electrical surge damage may cost you MORE than the line conditioner itself! Think of that!!!
Copying from another thread:
Its true and really works!
Share ko lang experience ng client ko who bought several plasma last year, I told him to buy a LC to protect his unit from unwanted electrical surges etc and he told me wag na gastos lang yan! kaya na ng voltage regulator ko yan ( STAVOL :o ) ayun, nasa panasonic service center na plasma nya since last week pa yung dalawa..... charges for power supply cost ha ( 8,750 EACH puhunana ) kung di under sa panasonic binili 12,999 yan tapos may labor charge pa..... di sana yung malaking BADA na yung binili nya sa worth nag repairs nya. :D
Yesterday we installed it w/2 Bada 3500. Now double expenses nya. :(
power surge can destroy you unit lalo na HD its very sensitive
Also remember guys that POWER SURGE is an EXTERNAL FACTOR! And is not covered by your warranty!
It falls under abuse. Its not your plasma TV's fault it got hit by a power surge (di ba?). Its your electical line's fault.
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This is one of my dilemma. I will be wall mounting my plasma tv. Problem is, I want the wall to be clean. I just wanna see the tv on my wall, meaning I don't want wires/cables running from the wall outlet and cable outlet which is located below the tv (near the floor). So I instructed the technician to "raise" the convenience outlet and cable outlet to be located behind the tv. Now, what I forgot is the line conditioner/Voltage regulator. I thought of just plugging the tv straight to the convenience outlet behind. My technician suggested to install a good grounding in my convenience outlet. Will this help protect surges? What can you suggest I should do? TIA
That will not help you from surges. But putting a ground line is still necessary as it helps aid the performance of your line conditioner.
I would suggest that you ask your electrician to fix the grounding then tap that line somewhere to connect to your line conditioner and voltage regulator. Your current hidden plug may look good, but remember that you might spend much much more in repair costs (pwera usog) if you dont protect your gears.
If your area isnt prone to voltage spikes, then the line conditioner with surge protection is all you need.
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That will not help you from surges. But putting a ground line is still necessary as it helps aid the performance of your line conditioner.
I would suggest that you ask your electrician to fix the grounding then tap that line somewhere so you can use your line conditioner and voltage regulator. If your area isnt prone to voltage spikes, then the line conditioner with surge protection is all you need.
Thanks Mat. BTW, what is the smallest line conditioner there is? Yung pang TV lang. I hope you can provide dimensions so I can look for a place for it. Thanks.
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the Bada is one of the smallest 1 around. Look for it in any of your nearest AV specialty shops like Theater Works, Stop, Look & Listen, Listening in Style, SGT Home Theater, Sights & Sounds, etc etc.
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Where is BADA made from? thanks!
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Made in China, just like almost everything else nowadays.
Bada has been in the HiFi business in China for the last 20 years. Using international HiFi components, assembled in China. Their high end HiFi gears (amps, CD players) use top int'l. parts like Toshiba, Burrbrown, etc.
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is it true that the cheap avr usually used in pc's worth 250 pesos can cause more harm than good.
i assume that they are the relay type?
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Archie - hindi pang HT ang mga AVR na mabibili mo sa mga computer shops. It can't handle the load of you HT toys. I tried it before and the AVR conked in less than a month. Pang PC use lang ata talaga siya. IMHO, you better off using really heavy duty AVRs (STAC, Stavol etc) na servo type.
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Would a Bada line conditioner suffice?
(LCD tv -> line conditioner ->outlet) ???
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As long as your area isnt prone to voltage fluctuations, yes.
But if it is, a Bada LC plus voltage regulator is recommended.
Power surge, may destroy your gears : instantly. Voltage fluctuations: over a period of time.
So give priority to your surge protection.
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Last ::)
LCD > servo type AVR > outlet
(pwedeng to follow na lang line conditioner)
Thanks!
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Last ::)
LCD > servo type AVR > outlet
(pwedeng to follow na lang line conditioner)
Thanks!
best:
LCD>servo type AVR>surge protector (kahit the cheaper P500 kind for the meantime)>outlet.
If you want improvements in your pic quality & audio quality (home theater & music) get the line conditioner when funds allow.
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Last, last ;D doesn't the Bada line conditioner comes with surge protector?
best:
LCD>servo type AVR>surge protector (kahit the cheaper P500 kind for the meantime)>outlet.
If you want improvements in your pic quality & audio quality (home theater & music) get the line conditioner when funds allow.
what's the AVR for? Voltage fluctuations? And the Bada LC takes care of power surges? ???
Pasensya na po a, mukhang 101 type of explanation/ for dummies kelangan sakin :D
I hope mahaba pasensya natin... want to make sure kasi before I purchase anything...
Thanks!!!
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You got that ;D
AVR = regulates the power that's being received by your gears from the outlet
- Stavol, STAC etc
Bada LC / Surge Protector (i.e. APC) = protects your gears from sudden bursts of power from the outlet (i.e. electricity coming back after a black out)
- APC, Bada, Xindak
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Yes, plus the LC improves your picture quality & sound quality (specially for home theaters & music setups) through "cleaning" your electric current.
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again again :)
Outlet --> LC --> Voltage Regulator --> Plasma
or
Outlet --> Voltage Regulator --> LC --> Plasma
Probably either is fine but which is the better setup? Just bought a Bada LC. Thanks guys.
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^Hmmm...Interesting...
Option #1 - Protects you AVR and gears from sudden burst of power (especially after a black out). But not sure if the PQ and the SQ will be (that) improved since your gears will pass through the AVR before the LC.
Option #2 - Your gears are protected from sudden burst of power via the LC; PQ and SQ is improved because of the LC; question is will the sudden burst of power damage your AVR (if it doesn't have surge protection).
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medyo OT pero share ko lang to as it concerns electrical surges:
saw a program in discovery channel where they simulated a lightning storm by pumping 300,000 volts of electricity into the mains of a makeshift home to see how plugged appliances will be affected and if lightning will cause fire, explosions, electrocution, etc.
here's the observation, a person speaking in the handset could get electrocuted when lighting strikes an electrical line as electricity will flow into the phone. Interestingly, that 300K volts did not have any noticeable effect on the PC and I think a tv that were plugged in the outlet. Those two ran fine. Just don't know how it would affect the life of the tv and the pc.
ako as precaution gamit pa rin surge protector with avr and ups
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again again :)
Outlet --> LC --> Voltage Regulator --> Plasma
or
Outlet --> Voltage Regulator --> LC --> Plasma
Probably either is fine but which is the better setup? Just bought a Bada LC. Thanks guys.
Mas maganda siguro yung 2nd choice, Outlet --> Voltage Regulator --> LC --> Plasma.
Bakit kamo? Kasi, pag inuna mo yung LC before the AVR, may posibilidad na ma-adulterate uli ng AVR yung conditioned current na inilabas ng LC mo. Remember ang AVR, may motor yan at relay na pumipitik every now and then. Yung pitik ng relay at ikot ng motor ay pwedeng mag introduce uli ng distortion sa na-conditioned mo ng current. To all gurus and seasoned engineers hare, please comment na lang kung tama itong theory ko.
Thanks.
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Makisingit lng po, I talked to one very experienced electronics engineer and a founder of an electronics society here in the Philippines about the benefits of avr on appliances and surprisingly he doesn't believe in avr's (including servo types). He told me no servo is fast enough to monitor and stabilize electric fluctuations. He said it's just a waste of money. He was more inclined to ups and a certain gadget that, right now slips my mind. :-[
He also told me that modern appliances and pc has built in voltage regulators just for the same purpose of avr.
What we didn't discuss is the benefits of line conditioners and surge protectors, but I guess it won't hurt (except for the wallet ;D) to add but within practical boundaries. :)
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I'll join in guys... ;D
OUTLET =======>BADA LC=======>ALL MY GEARS!!! :P
I still don't have an AVR and plan to buy one soon. Any recommendations... :)
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my setup:
outlet ---> plug type surge protector ---> APC UPS w/ surge protector ---> appliance (TV)
I haven't lost anything that could be attributed to a power surge, voltage fluctuation, in 4 years.
Oh, I should add, all my outlets are 3-prong (w/ grounding)
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Just wanna share this and please comment. An electrical engineer told me this. Did you notice why your plasma/lcd plug is so big? He said it has a fuse inside. It acts like a surge protector to protect your plasma. So plugging it into a well grounded wall outlet should be fine. Your views please.
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Mas maganda siguro yung 2nd choice, Outlet --> Voltage Regulator --> LC --> Plasma.
Bakit kamo? Kasi, pag inuna mo yung LC before the AVR, may posibilidad na ma-adulterate uli ng AVR yung conditioned current na inilabas ng LC mo. Remember ang AVR, may motor yan at relay na pumipitik every now and then. Yung pitik ng relay at ikot ng motor ay pwedeng mag introduce uli ng distortion sa na-conditioned mo ng current. To all gurus and seasoned engineers hare, please comment na lang kung tama itong theory ko.
Thanks.
Sir, you are correct. AVR's can cause sound degradation after a filtered line. I noticed it myself. Its not a huge difference though.
BUT the problem is most of our commercially available AVR's do not have grounding plugs, w/c is important for the LC's.
Plus, in the specific instance of the Bada LC with a 3000w capacity, plugging it to a 1,500w AVR may waste the remaining 1,500w capacity, in case you are plugging everything in it...plasma tv (400w), receiver (500w), power amp (800w), HTPC (550w) subwoofer (500w) PLUS the xx% power allowance for the AVR. As long as you have a a 3000w AVR with grounding, then there is no problem. But its hard to find. :)
Just wanna share this and please comment. An electrical engineer told me this. Did you notice why your plasma/lcd plug is so big? He said it has a fuse inside. It acts like a surge protector to protect your plasma. So plugging it into a well grounded wall outlet should be fine. Your views please.
Hi sir, contact sir Nemesis, a plasma dealer, and learn of his numerous woes on buyers who were skimping on buying protection for their TV's.
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Hi sir, contact sir Nemesis, a plasma dealer, and learn of his numerous woes on buyers who were skimping on buying protection for their TV's.
Yup, I was there in SL&L last weekend and I noticed a plasma on the floor leaning sa wall - sabi ni ma'am Belen it belongs to a customer who just plugged the plasma sa outlet lang daw. Nag brownout daw, tapos pag balik ng kuryente - ayaw na daw si plasma :(
Right there - I bought a Bada LC at kahit wala pa akong widescreen, I'm sure it would also be helpful to my other gears :)
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Yup, I was there in SL&L last weekend and I noticed a plasma on the floor leaning sa wall - sabi ni ma'am Belen it belongs to a customer who just plugged the plasma sa outlet lang daw. Nag brownout daw, tapos pag balik ng kuryente - ayaw na daw si plasma :(
Right there - I bought a Bada LC at kahit wala pa akong widescreen, I'm sure it would also be helpful to my other gears :)
Ibang klase ka talaga bro, nadagdagan nanaman ang mga box set mo ;D ;D ilabas na sa kahon yan!
Ako im using "Audio Prism Quite Line" to filter out electrical noise. Cost only 1.5k pero very effective . We even tested it using a Noise Sniffer.
First we plugged the noise sniffer directly to the outlet. There was so much static going on, talagang it will tell you how dirty our line is.
We tried to plug a Line Conditioner di ko na lang sasabihin kung ano yung brand pero hindi yon Bada. We then measured the noise, suprisingly walang pinagbago dami pading electrical noise.
We then plugged the Quiet Line next to the outlet then measure the electrical noise. 80% of the noise nawala, very minimal na lang madidinig mong static.
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Ibang klase ka talaga bro, nadagdagan nanaman ang mga box set mo ;D ;D ilabas na sa kahon yan!
Ako im using "Audio Prism Quite Line" to filter out electrical noise. Cost only 1.5k pero very effective . We even tested it using a Noise Sniffer.
First we plugged the noise sniffer directly to the outlet. There was so much static going on, talagang it will tell you how dirty our line is.
We tried to plug a Line Conditioner di ko na lang sasabihin kung ano yung brand pero hindi yon Bada. We then measured the noise, suprisingly walang pinagbago dami pading electrical noise.
We then plugged the Quiet Line next to the outlet then measure the electrical noise. 80% of the noise nawala, very minimal na lang madidinig mong static.
Sir san mo nabili itong Audio Prism Quiet Line?
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Speaking of AVR and Line Conditioners. Is there such a thing as built in/in-wall AVR or Line conditioner? The ones that you can embed to the wall.
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Got it from Watt Hi-Fi MCS :)
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Ibang klase ka talaga bro, nadagdagan nanaman ang mga box set mo ;D ;D ilabas na sa kahon yan!
Ako im using "Audio Prism Quite Line" to filter out electrical noise. Cost only 1.5k pero very effective . We even tested it using a Noise Sniffer.
First we plugged the noise sniffer directly to the outlet. There was so much static going on, talagang it will tell you how dirty our line is.
We tried to plug a Line Conditioner di ko na lang sasabihin kung ano yung brand pero hindi yon Bada. We then measured the noise, suprisingly walang pinagbago dami pading electrical noise.
We then plugged the Quiet Line next to the outlet then measure the electrical noise. 80% of the noise nawala, very minimal na lang madidinig mong static.
Whahahahahaha - box sets! Natawa ako dun ah! :D ;D
Iba talaga yan si boss Dex - yan ang audio guru ko! ;) Yan ang dahilan at may SARS daw ako! :D ;D
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Ako im using "Audio Prism Quite Line" to filter out electrical noise. Cost only 1.5k pero very effective . We even tested it using a Noise Sniffer.
First we plugged the noise sniffer directly to the outlet. There was so much static going on, talagang it will tell you how dirty our line is.
We tried to plug a Line Conditioner di ko na lang sasabihin kung ano yung brand pero hindi yon Bada. We then measured the noise, suprisingly walang pinagbago dami pading electrical noise.
We then plugged the Quiet Line next to the outlet then measure the electrical noise. 80% of the noise nawala, very minimal na lang madidinig mong static.
We also conducted that noise sniffer test using the Bada and the commercially available panther line filter. There was zero noise with the Bada (but gears have to be up & running) and with the Panther there was some 40% noise reduction in the PM , office hours. It was still noisy.
I tested the panther again at a residential area at around 2am early morning (no washing machines, industrial machines working at that time) and the panther can filter out some 80%.
So if you watch on your HT or listen to music at around 2am, maybe the panther will do.
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....So if you watch on your HT or listen to music at around 2am, maybe the panther will do.
This is so true. Kasi right now naka Panther power strip pa lang yung buong HT gears ko. Pag mga 1am ako nag mumusic, parang pino at heavenly yung sound... pero pag sa hapon or early evening, medyo iba, medyo coarse yung sound eh (subjective?!? ::)). Ipon, ipon muna for the Bada LC, sana pagbibili nako nun makakuha ako ng magandang discount! :D
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APC has a promo now: ups with free surge protector.
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Just want to share my current setup:
3-pronged Outlet -> Meiji 1.5KW Servo-AVR -> 1KVA PowercomAce UPS -> Devices.
I also used coaxial surge arrester on my TV, A\V Receiver and Cablebox.
all grounded using PLDT Grounding pole outside the house.
(http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mxXU71M-5-fTVyBTqDvzUmQ.jpg)
(http://www.hamcq.com/images/detailed/1/f-connector-grounding-block.jpg)
but planning to ship this from the US, replacing my 1KVA PowercomAce and probably this should also do most of the job protecting all my autovolt and 120V gears. :)
http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/pfc-sinewave-series/CP1350PFCLCD.html?selectedTabId=resources&imageI=#tab-box (http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/products/ups-systems/pfc-sinewave-series/CP1350PFCLCD.html?selectedTabId=resources&imageI=#tab-box)
(http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/product-files/product/images/CP1350PFCLCD-FP-600px.jpg)
(http://www.cyberpowersystems.com/product-files/product/images/CP1350PFCLCD-Back-600px.jpg)
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I use a Belkin power strip the 8-outlet 3-prong black version
Ayusin ko pa grounding line ko kase ayaw umilaw ng ground indicator
Yung protected indicator lang ang buhay
Still shopping for a line conditioner - saan available yung BADA?