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DVD Forum => General DVD Discussion => Topic started by: thomastipp on May 02, 2008 at 03:04 PM
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Hi, with the prices of dvds sold in local stores dropping constantly, this hobby is becoming dull. DVD collecting used to be for those privileged few who could afford such luxuries.
I started collecting because it made me feel special since not all could afford original dvds. But now everyone can buy an original for as low as 150.
Price drops have also severely devalued my collection. I mean these dvds were once selling for P895 a pop back then.
Another thing, this trend is severely affecting those selling R1 dvds in the marketplace since people have become more accustomed to R3 prices. How hard is it to sell used R1's for 500 when a year ago that was the norm.
I'm not against these price drops, it's just that it might be too low already, close to being worthless. And I don't want my collection to be worthless.
Time to upgrade to blu-ray I guess :-\
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its all because of piracy in our country....
going hi def doesnt solve the problem, since high definition movies can now be easily downloaded thru the net.
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my view is that original dvds will never become worthless as long as you get enjoyment out of them. pirated dvds won't be able to consistently match the quality of original dvds as they don't follow any standards.
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my view is that original dvds will never become worthless as long as you get enjoyment out of them. pirated dvds won't be able to consistently match the quality of original dvds as they don't follow any standards.
well said..
i remember during those days that i eventually bought Saving Private Ryan for 1kplus, but now, around 250 na i think
also Behind Enemy Lines....
At least, anyone will now urge to buy dvd origs for as low as 150
Kaya lang din, R3's are not well presented, so prefer ko pa rin ang imported one, which cost 450 up..
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collecting stuff in general is not about how much money you spend in getting the stuff (assuming you got it at a "reasonable price" the moment you acquired it), it's about the satisfaction you get by owning the stuff...saka hindi naman talaga magmamahal yan, unless you keep it sealed (and unless very extraordinary yung dvd/edition nung movie)...but then, there's minimal, or no satisfaction at all there kasi hindi mo napanood...for me, the declining price of original dvds is more of a boon than a bane...for the same amount of money (more or less), you get to buy more dvds now...
yep, nakakahinayang minsan dahil yung mabibili mo ngayon ay mas mura bukas...BUT, di ba mas maganda kasi mabibili mo na bukas yung di mo kayang bilhin ngayon?...and with the peso getting stronger, medyo mas affordable na ang mag-online shopping sa amazon...just a thought! :)
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Very well said, amethyst_arr. And I'm glad to have heard a fresh perspective on the subject.
I think it's great that local (and imported) DVDs are becoming more affordable. How would you rate the value of a movie like Lawrence of Arabia, for example? By the rare, out-of-print Superbit DVD release or the single disc bare-bones DVD release at Astrovision?
And then, there's the pricing. The Superbit can run you around P299 nowadays, if you can find it. The single disc is about P199 and under. Do those low prices affect the value of the movie itself? To be fair, PQ and SQ are my only criteria. That's why I got a copy of Batch '81 despite already owning the VCD release.
I have over 400 original DVDs in my "collection", but I refuse to be called a "collector" simply because value is semantic. If I saw a sealed R3 Superbit DVD copy of LOA at Astrovision for P100 I'd snatch it up without even thinking of its current or future "investment" selling price.
Cost should never dictate the worth of one thing.
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For me, it's a double edged sword.
DVD prices are going down that means more DVD's for me :D
However, it's difficult to save some money :-\
Especially with all the recent sales
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DVD prices are dropping because the studios as pushing for the new HD formats. SD DVD is now on its product decline stage. They want the market to shift to HD - a new product milking cow, er, life cycle. ;D
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With R3 DVD prices plummeting down, somehow I tend to question the quality of the discs and packaging specially those that maintain their prices low all year round. Some of them are no better than those p-dvds.
No question on those that lower the prices on sale days.
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DVD is not an investment. Like cellphones and computers, it lost its value the minute you bought it. There's also the lack of quality of the products - how can you say your fullscreen DVD5 version of Saw has more value than the widescreen high-bitrate R2 DTS-ES DVD9 version Bobot just bought from the street vendor? I can't even sell all my legit DVD5 titles. They're nearly worthless.
The pricing plan is just screwed up. They've trained their customers to buy DVDs only during the P175/P199 sale. That is the now perceived value of their DVDs. They price their new release titles as high (and often higher) than Amazons. When it won't sell, they drop the price and expect people to buy it. When it drops down to P550, it's not "new release" anymore. It doesn't carry as much bang as when it first landed on the shelves and so we'll just keep waiting until it hits rock bottom. Ghost Rider 2-DVD dropped from P895 to P199 in just 11 months.
All new DVD titles (blockbuster hits) should be priced at P500, it should be the 2-DVD version and forget about the "budget" edition. This will get people excited again on release dates. For every DVD they sell during its release date, that's one less P199 they have to sell 11 months down the road.
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The pricing model of CDs and DVDs and most other merchandise is hinged on recovering production and distribution cost in the first delivered batches, say the first 1000 units or so or the first 6 months. That includes some hefty profits already. After this recovery period, anything sold is just icing on the cake, so they can afford to discount heavily as all the sales proceeds are essentially profits. ;D Also, the mix of popular titles and not-so-popular titles create cross-subsidies, meaning the popular ones can recover the costs of unpopular titles. Sometimes just one popular title can subsidize 3-5 or more unpopular titles.
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It's a blessing if you are buying dvds on sale, but its a curse, when you are the ones selling it, because you cannot have it sold at a good price anymore. Wala ng bumibili ng 500 and above. Lahat gusto 199, 299, 300.
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Yup, it's a blessing to consumers. It's a curse to those who think that DVD collection is an investment. ;D
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Wala ng bumibili ng 500 and above. Lahat gusto 199, 299, 300.
True dat. When I see something P375 or over, I think to wait a few more months before getting it.
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For me its a Blessing!
Around 9 to 8 years ago, standard DVD movies' prices were at $20++ and before in Philippine Stores the prices for region1 movies were atleast $1500 (this is back in yr1999 to 2000) but now you can easily get a DVD movie for $3.99 to $5.99.
I beg to disagree on "not a collectible" or "hinde nagmamahal". I think that thought is basically applicable depending on the geographical location and the type of DVD (standard, Limited Edition or Exclusive). In Phillipines, maybe applicable but in North America and Europe its a different ballgame.
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I guess that was also said about laser discs when DVD was just starting. These days, they fetch anywhere from 25 cents to 50 cents apiece in the US. Could be more to individual collectors.
Selling your Laser Disc collection
We pay 25 to 50 cents for many Laser Discs. We are uncertain how long we will continue to buy Laser Discs due to the expanding market in selling DVDs and selling CDs. Because of their relatively low value, we will only buy these at our store; sorry, no mail collections.
http://www.prex.com/sell.html
So dispose of your DVD collection while you can. They still command good prices in the US, up to $4 apiece and higher for criterion and boxed sets. Once Blu-Ray becomes mainstream, there's a high chance DVDs too will go the way of Laser Discs. ;D Maybe longer for nicely packaged editions.
Selling DVDs
When Selling DVDs to us, we pay up to $4.00 per disc for most feature-length movies; higher prices for many TV on DVD Box Sets and more for some deluxe issues such as Criterion Collection editions. As with CDs, when selling DVDs, the discs, liner notes and cases must be in excellent condition to get full price.
http://www.prex.com/sell.html
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DVD won't go as fast as Laserdisc simply because it is very well established and
all HD players are backwards compatible, so that tells me that a number of collector's will still hold on their DVD's.
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Yup, not as fast. Again, that really depends on how successful Blu-Ray can replace DVD, if at all. ;D But right now, I wouldn't place a bet on it, either way. ;D
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Is DVD collecting really just for the "privileged few"??
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What is the picture and sound quality of Laserdisc comparable to? VCD or DVD? I can't seem to remember.
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What is the picture and sound quality of Laserdisc comparable to? VCD or DVD? I can't seem to remember.
Laserdisc PQ is definitely much better than VCD
Its resolution is 435i while DVD is 480i
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DVD is here to stay for a long time. I still see racks of VCDs in Astro and Videocity. We haven't even phased that out yet.
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Is DVD collecting really just for the "privileged few"??
No more na...a lot of ordinary folks can afford it na esp when there's a sale. :)
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DVD is here to stay for a long time. I still see racks of VCDs in Astro and Videocity. We haven't even phased that out yet.
Yes, I still see a lot more VCD's in the Top Ten Bestsellers of Odyssey than DVD's.
To an average Juan Dela Cruz, DVD's are still "kinda high end".
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Is DVD collecting really just for the "privileged few"??
Is it the DVD or the Home Theater Setup that's for a privileged few? An average Juan Dela Cruz can own a P175 Superbit title but not any "Juan" ( pun intended ) can own a 40" LCD TV and an Onkyo HT setup which are quite expensive. It doesn't mean that if you own an original DVD you'll have the ultimate HD experience, which is only available for the privileged few. True the dvds are now cheap. But we must realize that watching that cheap superbit title from a regular 21" inch CRT and watching it in a giant LCD screen with a 6.1 speaker system are two different experiences. The latter, I believe, is for the so called privileged few.
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Yup, it's a blessing to consumers. It's a curse to those who think that DVD collection is an investment. ;D
Are you a collector? Or are you a businessman? If you're a collector, the drops are welcome. Now you can enjoy more dvds with your kids at less expense. If you're a merchant, you have a problem. I agree with upinsmoke that DVDs are never an investment from a salesman point of view. But if you're just a collector, like most of us, it still is fun really. As I've said before in a previous thread, the greatest adrenaline rush for me is not buying per se but in the FIND - finding a title that's cheap and affordable.
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Hi, with the prices of dvds sold in local stores dropping constantly, this hobby is becoming dull. DVD collecting used to be for those privileged few who could afford such luxuries.
I started collecting because it made me feel special since not all could afford original dvds. But now everyone can buy an original for as low as 150.
Price drops have also severely devalued my collection. I mean these dvds were once selling for P895 a pop back then.
Another thing, this trend is severely affecting those selling R1 dvds in the marketplace since people have become more accustomed to R3 prices. How hard is it to sell used R1's for 500 when a year ago that was the norm.
I'm not against these price drops, it's just that it might be too low already, close to being worthless. And I don't want my collection to be worthless.
Time to upgrade to blu-ray I guess :-\
same as my cassette tapes beta/vhs collection inamag lang pinamigay ko na...
thats the way it is bro. just grin and bear it
as to orig dvd? i think affected sila sa proliferation P-dvd (excellent pq copied from orig/hd/br) @50-70php@- still way much cheaper than the orig. & pls lets not blame the buyer, sa hirap ng buhay ngayon...; blame the system just look around manila ;D
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Is it the DVD or the Home Theater Setup that's for a privileged few? True the dvds are now cheap. But we must realize that watching that cheap superbit title from a regular 21" inch CRT and watching it in a giant LCD screen with a 6.1 speaker system are two different experiences. The latter, I believe, is for the so called privileged few.
True. Thanks to technology advancement, nowdays many average 6PJ can own an affordable HTIB 5.1. :)
In reality many ordinary folks are still happy watching DVD with their small TV w/out a proper 5.1 setup.
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Sooner or later, you wont need a DVD to watch. With the latest technology of rent a movie eg; Netflix or by downloading, all you need is a (2) or more terabyte hard drive to watch your collection. Simply plug your flat or Pj then your ready to go.
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DVD is here to stay for a long time. I still see racks of VCDs in Astro and Videocity. We haven't even phased that out yet.
Not here. But in many other countries, VCDs are unheard of. ;D When the evolution of the home theater and home video formats are discussed, VCDs only merit a footnote. ;D
While I won't bet that BDs will replace DVDs anytime soon. I can bet that DVDs will still be here long after their last day of production in the US. ;D
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Even with the massive price drop, DVD collecting is still a high-end hobby. A commoner who makes minimum wage of P350 a day, after all the deduction taken out, can only afford one DVD from those "sale". Would you work 8 hours for one DVD?
If Juan De La Cruz got bitten by the home theatre hobbyist bug, he will use his money to buy equipment piece by piece from Raon. He will then cross the underpass to get his DVD. Those sales were never intended to get Juan De La Cruz to the nearest Astro store.
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It's really a pain to see a DVD you bought for 895 devalued to 100, in six months time. And it's even more painful, if your copy is still sealed. :) R3 are no longer collectible and almost no resale value, shipping or effort to meet up often cost more.
Now, if I see a good title at 695 or 550, chances are i will pass it up. No sense dumping a few hundreds a piece down the drain. You wonder if the intellectual property is expensive or is the distributor milking the first-adopters. So unless the title is Ironman, I will probably save my money and wait. I always thought that if I didn't get a title when it was release, I might miss it on account of it selling out... Foolish of me, very very few title released in the past two-years sold out and never reached bargain bin.... only the 300 collector's set comes to mind...
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Like Ghost Rider, in 11 months time it went from php895-php199
5 months ago, I found a mispriced Ghost Rider Extended Cut at php299.
I was happy to find a "bargain"
Had I waited a few more months I could have bought it for php199 :P
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I guess what the OP was saying is that you value things you collect because they really are valuable (expensive) and not everyone can get their hands on them. A sense of exclusivity if you will. A few years ago when DVDs cost 800-1000 a piece my friends would look at my collection and become really envious. I guess some people get a big kick out of that feeling when people envy you. But today with DVDs really being sold cheap at stores its no big deal anymore, anyone can just buy one. I think thats what he meant by the "privileged few" remark.
Just my .02 cents.
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Yup that's how it was in the old days when we started collecting. Our library was a conversation piece, and friends would just drop by to take a look. But we weren't really in it for the attention. We really just loved movies and the idea of being able to collect them like books... irresistible!
I've always been a realist about this hobby. We're not talking about rare stamps or coins that can truly be classified as collectors items. Nothing will ever be OOP in this day and (digital) age. And even if we start anew with HD, the format will eventually be commoditized if the studios have their way.
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We really just loved movies and the idea of being able to collect them like books... irresistible!
Took the words right out of my mouth.
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firewired hits the bull's eye! :D When the price drops, thus more affordable for us & to buy more (hopefully to impress our friends with the huge collection?). ;D
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Those sales were never intended to get Juan De La Cruz to the nearest Astro store.
I think that was the intention. THose 199 and 299 sales were stretching it a bit to ask Juan de la Cruz to patronize legits instead of those in Quiapo.
But they couldn't be more wrong. ;D
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difference in opinion. i think the 150-299 markdown is a steal but my brother whines and says that prices are a rip off. :)
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THose 199 and 299 sales were stretching it a bit to ask Juan de la Cruz to patronize legits instead of those in Quiapo.
But they couldn't be more wrong. ;D
o nga...guess majority of Juan de la Cruz are still buying from Quiapo ;D
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Unless DVD goes down to P100 it is still a rip off for many Juan de la Cruz's out there. Commoners buy those DVD's on sale to take advantage of the promo but for many of us here buying these DVD's is not just because it's "mura" but because of our passion to this hobby. I may still consider myself one of the commoners out there that spend time falling in line to pay for the DVD's I bought but I guess the difference is I experience and enjoy watching my DVD's at a different level. :)
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Are these DVD's worth 100ph in the future be DVD5 or 9? If DVD9, then I would not argue and be more happy about it, if it is DVD5, I'd still pass.
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Are these DVD's worth 100ph in the future be DVD5 or 9? If DVD9, then I would not argue and be more happy about it, if it is DVD5, I'd still pass.
I hope it's DVD9. ;D
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i think it's both a blessing and a curse.
it's a blessing because people who once cannot afford to buy original titles are now able to do so. this brings the number of the "privileged few" a tad higher. a lot of people will now be able to enjoy our experience with original dvds. let's just welcome them into the fold. besides, this may be a way of reducing, no matter how little, the number of consumers patronizing p****** titles.
on the other hand, it may also be a curse because the title you bought back then now costs around 80% cheaper. it's like buying a high-end cellular phone today only to find out that the its price considerably drops the following week. you'll get the feeling that you've been had.
i understand sir thomastipp. i was able to experience what he went through. there was this title that i have been looking for for a long time. i was finally able to find one and it was the shop's last copy. i immediately grabbed it. a week after, i found the same title at another shop and was now selling at P150. in this sense, it may be a curse.
nonetheless, the price drops should be taken as a welcome development as more and more consumers will be lured into acquiring original titles.
besides, what really matters is that we enjoy what we have, regardless of how expensive we got it and how less expensive others did.
just my thoughts. :)
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this may be a way of reducing, no matter how little, the number of consumers patronizing p****** titles.
There's a whole lot more of them, actually. ;D The people who buy legits are the minority.
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Are these DVD's worth 100ph in the future be DVD5 or 9? If DVD9, then I would not argue and be more happy about it, if it is DVD5, I'd still pass.
Theoretically, if they replace MPEG2 with the more efficient VC1 video codec, a three hour 480i video can fit into a DVD5 with features and with even better PQ. ;D
Only problem is, our current players would be rendered useless. ;D
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Well, they are the minority, but there's growth there. DVD sales are actually sharply up for legits. Even PinoyDVD.biz, despite it being an online store, supposedly generates sales equal to a typical mall outlet.
Despite the price drops and their moaning and groaning, the distributors actually did well in 2007... so much so that they're seriously looking at VCD phase outs starting this year. Viva's already started if I'm not mistaken.
As studios ramp up for HD, we're going to see prices settle at Php99 for catalog titles, and probably Php199 to Php350 for new releases.
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Despite the price drops and their moaning and groaning, the distributors actually did well in 2007... so much so that they're seriously looking at VCD phase outs starting this year. Viva's already started if I'm not mistaken.
As studios ramp up for HD, we're going to see prices settle at Php99 for catalog titles, and probably Php199 to Php350 for new releases.
That should be expected.....after 10 years. ;D
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As studios ramp up for HD, we're going to see prices settle at Php99 for catalog titles, and probably Php199 to Php350 for new releases.
That's a very welcome news & when it materializes hopefully some of the VCD legitimate consumers will try to convert to DVD bandwagon. If VCD phases out then the effect will be much better for DVD :)
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That should be expected.....after 10 years. ;D
Fortunately, they're more proactive these days. :D Magna already started by repricing a significant chunk of their old releases to Php99.
The logic is simple for them. Remove VCDs then bring DVDs down to VCD price points. The 300 DVD variants, for example, outsold the local 2-disc VCD version so that was a clear indication to them that times are changing. Actually they've already changed, but regional corporate hierarchies can still be pretty dense even with forums like PinoyDVD around.
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Its about time for dvd prices to drop since the elites are shifting to bluray. Time for the masses to feast on dvd copies since dvd player are really cheap nowadays.
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I think DVD price drop is a good thing. Instead of getting knock-offs, there is a higher probability now that consumers will shift to buying the real thing.
Besides, cheaper DVD prices will always be a blessing to us consumers who are on the look out for titles to add to our collection. :)
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I think dvd price drop is inevitable. The only question is how far can they go in terms of lowering their prices.
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Blessing definitely. For our fellow collectors to get the chance to beef up their library. For those with limited budget but can't afford to buy the titles they crave for. For the suppliers / studios to counter piracy. If you still want to go niche, bluray is the new DVD - take ur passion to the next level. :)
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Hi, with the prices of dvds sold in local stores dropping constantly, this hobby is becoming dull. DVD collecting used to be for those privileged few who could afford such luxuries.
I started collecting because it made me feel special since not all could afford original dvds. But now everyone can buy an original for as low as 150.
"...for the privileged few? so this hobby/ dvd collection are "for the privilege few" only, those who can afford to pay P895/up a piece. such views are very offending to those people out there who are beginning to appreciate this hobby at a very reasonable cost...
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I feel privileged even if my "collection" is perceived as "not special" by certain people who judge a thing by cost, and not by its value.
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"...for the privileged few? so this hobby/ dvd collection are "for the privilege few" only, those who can afford to pay P895/up a piece. such views are very offending to those people out there who are beginning to appreciate this hobby at a very reasonable cost...
Admittedly, DVDs were a status statement during its early years from 1997. I remember seeing the first generation Sony and Pioneer DVD players locally available were above 20T and the first few titles were in the 1.2T range, including warner titles - surely a prestige consumer product at that time. (So was Betamax in its early years here, only the rich could have them.) It's only human nature to be peeved when your beloved status symbols suddenly lose their prestige as they become accessible to the masses.
(If the peso had not depreciated to half its value after the Asian currency crisis of 97, the early DVDs available locally would have been priced half as much. But then, so would other imported items. ;D)
The DVD format is starting its decline stage in its product lifecycle. And it's only now that the masses have started to enjoy it benefits - a good 10 years after the format's market debut. The studios would love to abandon that format as it has lost any profit attraction for them. The emerging HD format made sure of that. These days, if you want to maintain any kind of social status statement, go Blu-Ray. ;D It's starting a new product lifecycle at this time and will probably be a prestige consumer product for the next 5 years. ;D
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People in the average class before may think twice or thrice before buying one but now because of its affordable price they now can go and buy some w/o hurting their pockets that much. This price drop have broaden the market of dvd's but I can say that many can't still enjoy this though because ordinary Juan dela Cruz may still settle for fakes because origs may still cost too much for them.
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Dvd price drop is certainly a blessing since people we'll go original (becoz of affordable prices) rather than settling for pirated dvds in quiapo.
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yup why buy a cheap pirated one costing 70-80pesos with worst quality not to mention the hang-ups in the middle of the movie.
dvd now cost <200.00 or <150.00 a piece....
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The problem is, as the prices of legit DVDs go down, so with the sidewalk DVDs. Now you can get sidewalk DVD9s (with bluray or HD dvd marks) for 50 and mind you, these are returnable. ::)
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Blessing, of course..Mas madami nabibiling DVDs, mas madami ginagastos.. ;D
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The problem is, as the prices of legit DVDs go down, so with the sidewalk DVDs. Now you can get sidewalk DVD9s (with bluray or HD dvd marks) for 50 and mind you, these are returnable. ::)
Those DVD9s quality arent bad either but its about time for DVD prices to drop and have the masses feast on them since Bluray copies are already being patronized by the elites even its prices are still high.
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A different story for this Batman: Legacy Set
I bought it about 4-5yrs ago at $20 and after Dark Knight was shown... this boxset now is ranging $75(pre-owned/used) to $140 (new)
(http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b221/xage00/BATMAN01.jpg)
Look at ebay & amazon how consumers go drooling getting mint to new condition of this boxset.
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A different story for this Batman: Legacy Set
I bought it about 4-5yrs ago at $20 and after Dark Knight was shown... this boxset now is ranging $75(pre-owned/used) to $140 (new)
Look at ebay & amazon how consumers go drooling getting mint to new condition of this boxset.
But why? Are they stupid or crazy or something, when the Batman: The Motion Picture Anthology 1989-1997 set is a much better release?
Ah, I see. Both sets and even most of the old Batman film individual DVDs are currently in short supply in the States (at least on Amazon). No wonder. They're so readily available here and at sale prices, it's hard to imagine anyone would pay that much for them. I guess sellers like to take advantage of obsessive-compulsives who can't wait a few weeks for new supplies from the manufacturer.
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;D Not to mention...
This coming December.. WB will possibly release a Blu-Ray set
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But why? Are they stupid or crazy or something, when the Batman: The Motion Picture Anthology 1989-1997 set is a much better release?
Ah, I see. Both sets and even most of the old Batman film individual DVDs are currently in short supply in the States (at least on Amazon). No wonder. They're so readily available here and at sale prices, it's hard to imagine anyone would pay that much for them. I guess sellers like to take advantage of obsessive-compulsives who can't wait a few weeks for new supplies from the manufacturer.
It's the collector market. It doesn't matter which is better as long as it is a different release (e.g. different color, slightly different packaging, limited supply, etc.). If I'm not mistaken, that's how bad movies recoup their profits, right? Release multiple versions of home releases for the collectors/prospectors?
Personally, I can't imagine anyone finding gold in Batman and Robin. Unless you're into themes or have really young kids.