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DVD Forum => DVD-ROM & DVD Backup => Topic started by: thesaint on Aug 25, 2008 at 01:10 AM
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Is there anyone know how to convert Bluray to DVD9.
I'm curious lang kasi sa mga bluray copy na nabibili sa tabi-tabi.
As in super bit. Up to 11Mbps ang video bitrate niya kapag 1-1/2
yung movie...Super linaw din kasi sa 32" na LCDTV eh!
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some of these rips are quite bad. I got a dvd of doomsday that had very good picture quality but because of the compression, it appeared that the entire movie was in slow motion. ???
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As in super bit. Up to 11Mbps ang video bitrate niya kapag 1-1/2
yung movie...Super linaw din kasi sa 32" na LCDTV eh!
It is not true that Superbit encodes at 11Mbps. According to Superbit itself, their DVDs are encoded at a bitrate "approximately twice as high (6-7 Mbit/s)" as standard DVDs.
But it is no longer correct to say that 7 Mbps is "twice as high" as regular DVDs, since newer DVD regular releases are now encoded at 8 Mpbs average. Therefore, the Superbit bitrate is in fact even lower than regular DVD bitrates these days!
Does this mean that Superbit DVDs are now irrelevant?
You bet they are. That's why Sony Pictures discontinued the Superbit line as early as January 18, 2007. http://www.videobusiness.com/index.asp?layout=article&articleid=CA6408427
Up to 11Mbps ang video bitrate niya kapag 1-1/2 yung movie...Super linaw din kasi sa 32" na LCDTV eh!
Correct DVD specs require a maximum average video bitrate of 7 Mbps, or up to 8 Mbps maximum average for high-action content; and a maximum peak bitrate of 9.8 Mbps.
Contrary to popular belief, 11 Mbps is actually a bad spec because it violates SD DVD specifications.
That's why those Blu-ray to SD DVD cross-conversions are almost always defective.
On Blu-ray cross-converted to DVD-9, the picture is clear, as long as it is not in motion. Once the picture is in motion, the usual defects are judder/stutter and slow-motion/fast-motion. Sometimes the audio and video are out of sync. Sometimes the layer breaks are non-seamless, or badly positioned, or both.
If you think Blu-ray cross-converted to DVD-9 is better than the orig DVD, that's because you're comparing the fake DVD-9 BD to an old release of an orig DVD.
For example:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JrHyS%2BUtL._SL160_AA115_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51T6VPH0ARL._SL160_AA115_.jpg)
BD SD old release
The orig SD version on the right was good when it was first released, but it is now a low-quality DVD by today's standards.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JrHyS%2BUtL._SL160_AA115_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/516GKCDV98L._SL160_AA115_.jpg)
BD SD new release
The new R1 SD release on the right is a remastered anamorphic version, much better than the old release.
Compare the fake DVD-9 BD with a new SD DVD release encoded from the new high-def master, and you'll see that the orig is always better than the fake.
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sorry OT. how will i know if its SD? :)
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Check your DVD's bitrate using a bitrate viewer program. Download:
DVD Bit Rate Viewer (for PC): http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Video/Other-VIDEO-Tools/DVD-Bit-Rate-Viewer.shtml
MacDVDBitrateParanoia (for Mac): http://web.mac.com/altero/altero/Soft_EN.html
If average bitrate exceeds 8Mbps or peak bitrate exceeds 10Mbps, it's probably BD-sourced; otherwise, it's SD-sourced.
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Check your DVD's bitrate using a bitrate viewer program. Download:
DVD Bit Rate Viewer (for PC): http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Video/Other-VIDEO-Tools/DVD-Bit-Rate-Viewer.shtml
MacDVDBitrateParanoia (for Mac): http://web.mac.com/altero/altero/Soft_EN.html
If average bitrate exceeds 8Mbps or peak bitrate exceeds 10Mbps, it's probably BD-sourced; otherwise, it's SD-sourced.
will try to look into that when i get home. is there anyway you could know it before buying? im talking about original dvds. :D sorry ulit OT ;D last na po sir.
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If you're talking about orig DVDs, they are always encoded from an SD master copy.
It's the fakes that are sometimes cross-coded from a BD or HD DVD copy.
The new version orig SD would be better.
The fake BD DVD-9 started with a high def master, then professionally encoded to Blu-ray. But the last step is where the problem arises: The Blu-ray is cross-converted by the pirate to SD.
In contrast, the new version orig SD was directly encoded professionally to SD by the studio from a high definition master, without the questionable intermediary step of pirated cross-conversion.
is there anyway you could know it before buying? im talking about original dvds.
There is no such thing as a BD-sourced orig SD.
Before buying an orig SD, all you have to know is whether or not you're buying a new version SD or an old version SD.
Just browse amazon.com and the different DVD review sites to update yourself about the latest releases and their respective qualities.
In my Con-Air example on Reply # 2 above, all Con-Air R3 Philippine releases have the old non-anamorphic version. If you want the new remastered version, you will have to get the R1 "Extended Edition" DVD.
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thanks for the enlightment sir barrister. that explains why some of my dvds have poor PQ. :)
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Barrister,
Do you mean is not poassible to have a 11Mbps of bitrate of a DVD9?
Because in my reasearch you can have a 8Mbps on 1 hour of video of DVD5.
also i have of wedding video whose bitrate have a 9-11Mbps...
40mins of video on single layer (DVD5).
Compare ko lang kasi yung transporter (orig) vs BD copy
9 - 11Mbps talaga yung reading sa power dvd at sa pioneer DV600 ko eh!
Kaya masyado lang ako curious about conversion ng BD to DVD9.
Unlike ng DVD9 orig ay 6 - 8 Mbps lang.
Super linaw kasi eh yung mga BD copy eh!
Parang talo pa yung relaease ng R3 orig.
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Barrister,
Do you mean is not poassible to have a 11Mbps of bitrate of a DVD9?
Because in my reasearch you can have a 8Mbps on 1 hour of video of DVD5.
Of course it's possible to have 11 Mbps video bitrate on DVD, and as you said, such DVDs do exist. In fact, it's possible to have bitrates even higher than that.
What I mean is that 8 Mbps average and 9.8 Mbps peak are the maximum bitrates under DVD specifications. If those specs are exceeded, playback problems may be encountered on some players.
Reference:
Video Data Specifications from mpeg.org:
http://www.mpeg.org/MPEG/DVD/Book_B/Video.html
Encoding MPEG-2 for DVD (for the MIT Computer Graphics Group):
"A bitrate of 9.8 Mb/s ... is the maximum bitrate allowed by a DVD. This includes EVERYTHING; video, audio, subtitles, etc. ...
However, there is an additional concern, and that is that some DVD players have trouble playing back DVDs encoded at high bitrates (this is usually exhibited as stuttering and skips in the video). "
http://people.csail.mit.edu/tbuehler/video/MPEG-2.html
also i have of wedding video whose bitrate have a 9-11Mbps...
40mins of video on single layer (DVD5).
The videographer seems to be unaware of proper DVD Video specifications.
Super linaw kasi eh yung mga BD copy eh!
Parang talo pa yung relaease ng R3 orig.
Hindi naman siguro sir. As I said in my Reply # 2 above, you might be comparing with an old DVD release.
I can't discuss DVD-9 BD fakes vs. orig DVDs on a per-title basis, kasi sobrang detailed na discussion na yon, bawal na dito.
As for your first question:
Is there anyone know how to convert Bluray to DVD9.
The pirates have the software for it, but no such software is available commercially or in freeware form on the net. Pero palpak naman ang software nila, kaya laging defective ang mga finished product.
Maybe they're converting from Blu-ray to H.264, then from H.264 to DVD. Puwede ba yon? I'm sure it's going to be a cumbersome process ... some of us have day jobs, you know ... :D Palpak din naman siguro ang finished product, so why bother?
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Ok. thanks for the clarification...
;D ;D ;D
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as what barrister said your upscaler will definitely have issues with playback .. (most of the time)
my previous dv400 though didnt give me much of a headache .. cause i sold it before i reach watching 10 titles .. :)
so if youre having issues with p*r*t*d bddvd9 .. use htpc for playback, just make sure you have a good chipset .. ;)
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I have several BD DVD-9 fakes that have juddered video. I tried reducing the bitrate using DVDShrink. Bitrate reduction was successful, but the video is still juddered. No improvement whatsoever.
I have one BD DVD-9 fake that has a non-seamless layer break on a very bad position. Using ImgBurn, I changed the layer break position, converted to seamless layer break and burned to DVD+R DL. Layer break reauthoring was successful, but the video is now defective, with some parts having delayed slow-motion video while the audio plays at normal rate.
There really is something wrong with those BD DVD-9 fakes.
The orig is still the best!
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barrister have you tried it to play it via htpc?
pero i have to agree mas maganda san yung orig pero madalas wala kasi tayong extended or newer versions (like the one you sampled above) .. i havent puchase any dvd lately though ..
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Sorry sir, wala akong htpc. Sa totoo lang, hindi pa nga ako nakakita ng htpc, e. :-[ :-[
In my view, a properly-authored disc should play correctly on any player --- or at least on all new/newer players.
If you will need an htpc to propely view the disc's contents, then there's something wrong with that disc.
... i have to agree mas maganda san yung orig pero madalas wala kasi tayong extended or newer versions (like the one you sampled above) ...
Well, kung ako ang papipiliin, mas gusto ko na yung old version na maayos, kesa sa new version na palyado.
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Sorry sir, wala akong htpc. Sa totoo lang, hindi pa nga ako nakakita ng htpc, e. :-[ :-[
In my view, a properly-authored disc should play correctly on any player --- or at least on all new/newer players.
If you will need an htpc to propely view the disc's contents, then there's something wrong with that disc.
Well, kung ako ang papipiliin, mas gusto ko na yung old version na maayos, kesa sa new version na palyado.
for me .. DVD9 (orig) > DVD9 hdrip > DVD5 ..
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Sent you a private message. ;)
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share ko lang sa inyo...
i'm converting now my bluray to dvd9 using nero 7.0
kailangan lang may plug-in ng multi audio...
ongoing pa lang ngayon...
kaso lang di ko na nilagyan ng mga menu...
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share ko lang sa inyo...
i'm converting now my bluray to dvd9 using nero 7.0
kailangan lang may plug-in ng multi audio...
ongoing pa lang ngayon...
kaso lang di ko na nilagyan ng mga menu...
update us of the outcome .. and the converting time as well ..
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Converting time almost 2 hrs...
Sablay yung video...Tumatalon...
Audio di naman out of sync...pero 5.1 Dolby
yung dvd bali Iso na 7.8Gig
PC specs:
core 2 E-8400 3.0G
2 Gig memory
inno3d i-chill 8500
750HDD
400HDD
BlurayRW
DVDRW
Hanap pa rin ako ng software para dito...
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Sablay yung video...Tumatalon...
Sayang ... baka meron pang adjustments/options sa Nero before conversion para maayos ang result?
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Converting time almost 2 hrs...
Sablay yung video...Tumatalon...
Audio di naman out of sync...pero 5.1 Dolby
yung dvd bali Iso na 7.8Gig
PC specs:
core 2 E-8400 3.0G
2 Gig memory
inno3d i-chill 8500
750HDD
400HDD
BlurayRW
DVDRW
Hanap pa rin ako ng software para dito...
how much is the bdwriter bro? is it 7.8k and single layer?
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Yup! 7.8k bili ko sa pcx last feb. 4, 2008. LG Single layer.
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sir barrister my cousin buy a lot of BD>DVD9 movies wala naman ako nakikita problem about judder/stutter and it seems na mataas talaga bitrate and super linaw compared sa orig dvd ko lalo na yung mga BD>DVD9 na two disc (1 movie split to 2 DVD9) super linaw talaga, i played it through my dv600 and pv70. if you want sir pahiram ko sayo to test it kasi nagtataka lang din ako kung bakit ganun.
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Yup! 7.8k bili ko sa pcx last feb. 4, 2008. LG Single layer.
nice .. :)
i think i already asked you that question (on another thread)
i just couldnt believe .. too bad though its only a single layer writer .. but then again its still a writer .. :)
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nice ..
i think i already asked you that question (on another thread)
i just couldnt believe .. too bad though its only a single layer writer .. but then again its still a writer ..
Single layer sa write buy it can read dual layer na bluray movie...
Phase out na yata yung model na yun nung time na nabili ko eh!
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Single layer sa write buy it can read dual layer na bluray movie...
Phase out na yata yung model na yun nung time na nabili ko eh!
sayang nga cause its already phased out .. :(
mura na talaga sya bro ..
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Success na. Bluray to DVD9 using nero pa rin.
Just replaced my video card w/c is not HDCP compliant (Inno3d I-chill lite striker)
I'm now using asus 8500 GT 1gig DDR2.
convertion time now 1 and 45 mins.
6.8gig ISO. Walang chapter & menu.
Audio/Video syncronized na. PQ check ko pa comparison ng orig DVD9
Pero mas ok talaga yung clarity ng bluray over DVD9.
Medyo hindi pa rin perfect. Parang may nabago sa kulay eh!
Baka talaga sa codec na yun. Iba yung sa bluray at DVD...
FYI,
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Success na. Bluray to DVD9 using nero pa rin.
Just replaced my video card w/c is not HDCP compliant (Inno3d I-chill lite striker)
I'm now using asus 8500 GT 1gig DDR2.
convertion time now 1 and 45 mins.
6.8gig ISO. Walang chapter & menu.
Audio/Video syncronized na. PQ check ko pa comparison ng orig DVD9
Pero mas ok talaga yung clarity ng bluray over DVD9.
Medyo hindi pa rin perfect. Parang may nabago sa kulay eh!
Baka talaga sa codec na yun. Iba yung sa bluray at DVD...
FYI,
ei thanks for the update bro .. now when are you gonna sell me that bluray rom drive? hahaha ;D ;D
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Barrister,
Do you mean is not poassible to have a 11Mbps of bitrate of a DVD9?
Because in my reasearch you can have a 8Mbps on 1 hour of video of DVD5.
also i have of wedding video whose bitrate have a 9-11Mbps...
40mins of video on single layer (DVD5).
Compare ko lang kasi yung transporter (orig) vs BD copy
9 - 11Mbps talaga yung reading sa power dvd at sa pioneer DV600 ko eh!
Kaya masyado lang ako curious about conversion ng BD to DVD9.
Unlike ng DVD9 orig ay 6 - 8 Mbps lang.Super linaw kasi eh yung mga BD copy eh!
Parang talo pa yung relaease ng R3 orig.
Not promoting pi*** but that's what I observed also ;D
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I have several BD DVD-9 fakes that have juddered video. I tried reducing the bitrate using DVDShrink. Bitrate reduction was successful, but the video is still juddered. No improvement whatsoever.
I have one BD DVD-9 fake that has a non-seamless layer break on a very bad position. Using ImgBurn, I changed the layer break position, converted to seamless layer break and burned to DVD+R DL. Layer break reauthoring was successful, but the video is now defective, with some parts having delayed slow-motion video while the audio plays at normal rate.
There really is something wrong with those BD DVD-9 fakes.
The orig is still the best!
Tried some BD DVD9 copies and so far ok lahat (taas ng bitrate). Maybe they have perfected the art ;D
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Many are saying that these sidewalk "blurays" are mostly defective... to those who disagree, be happy becasue YOU ARE BLESSED with poor eyesight ;D
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Many are saying that these sidewalk "blurays" are mostly defective... to those who disagree, be happy becasue YOU ARE BLESSED with poor eyesight ;D
Have personally tried my titles of both R3 and BD-DVD9 and the PQ are the same. kindly read the thread on TDK. Many members have posted that the BD-DVD9 copies of TDK have PQ way better than the R1 and R3 ;D
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Marami na yatang tools ngayon.
I'm not interested in BD yet, but for those who are, baka puwede kayo mag-test kung anong tools dito sa list ang OK, tapos balitaan nyo kami:
http://www.videohelp.com/tools?d=mkvtoolnix-unicode-2.4.1-setup.exe
Baka puwede ang BD to MKV using DVDFab HD Decrypter then MAKEMKV. Tapos madali na lang ang MKV to DVD.
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Marami na yatang tools ngayon.
I'm not interested in BD yet, but for those who are, baka puwede kayo mag-test kung anong tools dito sa list ang OK, tapos balitaan nyo kami:
http://www.videohelp.com/tools?d=mkvtoolnix-unicode-2.4.1-setup.exe
Baka puwede ang BD to MKV using DVDFab HD Decrypter then MAKEMKV. Tapos madali na lang ang MKV to DVD.
i only use this to split mkv files .. when i have time .. ill convert some mkv to dvd and update this thread :)
(btw converting mkv to dvd*vob will add 200-300mb to the file size)
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Have personally tried my titles of both R3 and BD-DVD9 and the PQ are the same. kindly read the thread on TDK. Many members have posted that the BD-DVD9 copies of TDK have PQ way better than the R1 and R3 ;D
hi surg. is your BD-DVD9 has the imax scenes in the movie? the aspect ratio of the movie changes from 2:40 to 1:85 then back to 2:40. this one has the better PQ.
you got PM. ;D
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yup! it had imax scenes proving that it was indeed copied from bluray. ang layo ng PQ sa R3 ;)
answered your PM ;D
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Mas maganda talaga ang PQ kapag ang ginamit na source ay BD then convert to DVD.
Di ko lang alam kung anong software ang ginamit nila. Maganda kasi yung pagkakaconvert nila eh!
Nag try na ako dati pero sablay yung kulay kapag converted na sa dvd9...
Tinigilan ko kasi ok naman ang MKV 720p eh! 4.5 Gig lang...Tagal nga lang magdownload...
Compared sa BD DVD9 na 7.8 to 8 GIG.
Wala pa me budget para sa tatlong 1.5 tera eh!...
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Tried some BD DVD9 copies and so far ok lahat (taas ng bitrate). Maybe they have perfected the art ;D
same observation here :)
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sir barrister my cousin buy a lot of BD>DVD9 movies wala naman ako nakikita problem about judder/stutter and it seems na mataas talaga bitrate and super linaw compared sa orig dvd ko lalo na yung mga BD>DVD9 na two disc (1 movie split to 2 DVD9) super linaw talaga, i played it through my dv600 and pv70. if you want sir pahiram ko sayo to test it kasi nagtataka lang din ako kung bakit ganun.
may mga nasubukan rin akong movies na bd converted to dvd-9, i don't know, pero wala ako makitang difference sa mga BD Titles ko, super linaw at maganda ang sound quality.
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Let's just make it clear that we are not promoting piracy,
our posts only indicates the observations that we have seen,
however, this is a good topic in which we can start to question na
bakit hindi makakuha ng marketing ploy ang mga studios to release titles
in this format? Not everyone can afford to go BD, and of course consumers would
settle for the next best thing. We can't legalize piracy, but we can find ways to compete
with them. Its a win win solution...
just opinion though
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may mga nasubukan rin akong movies na bd converted to dvd-9, i don't know, pero wala ako makitang difference sa mga BD Titles ko, super linaw at maganda ang sound quality.
I'm not surprised. Konti lang talaga ang nakakapansin niyan.
I keep complaining to the vendor about it. Ang problema, ako lang daw ang nagrereklamo. :D
Here's a sure-fire way to confirm the copy's source. Check the Dolby audio bit rate. If bit rate is 640 Kbps, source is BD; if lower than 640 Kbps (448 Kbps, 384 Kbps, etc.), source is SDVD.
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I'm not surprised. Konti lang talaga ang nakakapansin niyan.
I keep complaining to the vendor about it. Ang problema, ako lang daw ang nagrereklamo. :D
Here's a sure-fire way to confirm the copy's source. Check the Dolby audio bit rate. If bit rate is 640 Kbps, source is BD; if lower than 640 Kbps (448 Kbps, 384 Kbps, etc.), source is SDVD.
Tested 3 titles:
The Dark Knight
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
Transformers
they all gave up 640kbps...
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Tested 3 titles:
The Dark Knight
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
Transformers
they all gave up 640kbps...
ibang klase..hehehe!