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Entertainment => Film & TV Talk => Pinoy Entertainment => Topic started by: anya618 on Jan 16, 2009 at 09:21 AM
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anyone watching these pinoy telenovelas on ch2 and 7?
mukhang ok ung "tayong dalawa", premieres on monday jan19 at abscbn ;D
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anyone? ako lang ba nanonood nito? :-[ ::)
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pinanpanood din ni misis yan and i liked the story.
kaya pinapanood ko na rin. right now. even @ work.
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anyone else watching? ;D
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currently watching 100 days to heaven and my binondo girl sa ch2 :-[
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currently watching 100 days to heaven and my binondo girl sa ch2 :-[
Ba't ka nakasimangot pre? ;D
Channel 2 at 23 lang ang channel na nakukuha sa probinsya kaya medyo nasusubaybayan ko ang ilang telenovela. Some thoughts:
100 Days to Heaven– for a religious show, the main characters seem to be lacking in faith the most. Kumbaga, may hard evidence na sila that God and Heaven exists, tapos nakakita na sila ng napakaraming milagro, yet they still get bothered by trivial things like reconciling with your mother, etc. Yung main character nga dalawang beses ng nakapunta sa langit at pabalik, nabigyan na nang second at third chance tsaka extension pero hirap na hirap ring magtapat sa kanyang anak. It’s a religious themed show with faithless characters.
My Binondo Girl – Surprisingly humorless. Pag nakita mo yung title sequence nya, o kaya yung premise na magpapanggap na lalaki si Kimchu para makuha yung approval ng ama nya, akala mo kahit papaano may sense of humor yung show. Pero parang hindi nakakatawa. Tapos si Gina Pareno pa yata ang ginawa nilang comic relief kaya sayang lang siya. Masyado pang unconvincing yung plot na magpapangap na lalaki si Kimchu kaya kinansel na nila sa kalagitnaan.
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ako alng ang kapuso dito ah
ako naman addict sa amaya, munting heredera at time of my life hehehehehe
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me nanonood ba ng "walang hanggan" sa abs? eto daw nangungunang telenovela ngayon
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been watching Angelito ang batang ama. Charee pineda and Val Concepcion FTW!
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Not sure if this is also true for other stations, but ABS-CBN telenovelas always seem to have a common pattern:
- lead characters always start out as annoying children for about a week or two
- lead character must always go through tremendous suffering and atrocious indignities before undergoing a change in status
- the above is always true whether lead character is deeply religious or some freaking dumbass martyr
- characters spew out lots of bull$hit dialogue not actually possible in real life
towards the end of the series:
- someone always gets shot
- someone always gets kidnapped
- someone always dies
- villain either undergoes drastic character change and is redeemed, or dies
- if lead character dies, he or she is always shown in the afterlife
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Sa GMA naman, laging may nawawalang anak na mapupunta sa mahirap na pamilya. Example: Munting Heredera, Marimar, One true love, Anna Karenina...
laging may baliw na kontrabida
laging engot at walang alam sa batas kahit mayaman sila at pwede mag-hire ng lawyer
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Mabuhay!
Yan mga telenovelas na yan minsan ko lang masulyapan...mapapamorayta talaga ako. suzko!!! mabibilang lang sa daliri ko ang talagang tumatak dahil maganda yung pagkakagawa. The rest KAKASUKA!!!
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I'm forced to watch Please Be Careful with My Heart because ABS-CBN is our client and we're in charge of subtitling for TFC.
My mom and our maid LOVES this show and as far as I know it's CRAZY popular. But I don't get it! Maya is an annoying character who I want to slap half the time. Sir Chief is a dull, uninteresting character who's played by a dull, uninteresting actor so dull and boring that I don't get why ANYONE would fall for him. I think it's partially the fault of the actor. From the very first episode, I already know where this story is headed. YET PEOPLE STILL WATCH AND PEOPLE STILL LOVE IT.
I don't know why! Maybe I'm already too far gone, being a bit of critic who studied screenwriting and has acquired a taste for more intellectual, complex fare like Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, etc. But yes, I don't get it.
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I'm forced to watch Please Be Careful with My Heart because ABS-CBN is our client and we're in charge of subtitling for TFC.
My mom and our maid LOVES this show and as far as I know it's CRAZY popular. But I don't get it! Maya is an annoying character who I want to slap half the time. Sir Chief is a dull, uninteresting character who's played by a dull, uninteresting actor so dull and boring that I don't get why ANYONE would fall for him. I think it's partially the fault of the actor. From the very first episode, I already know where this story is headed. YET PEOPLE STILL WATCH AND PEOPLE STILL LOVE IT.
I don't know why! Maybe I'm already too far gone, being a bit of critic who studied screenwriting and has acquired a taste for more intellectual, complex fare like Breaking Bad, Game of Thrones, etc. But yes, I don't get it.
Idagdag mo na din sa study list mo ang "The Filipino Audience and Their Taste for Films". Hehe!
Madalas kc, probably dahil sa maraming mahirap sa bansa natin, yan mga ganyang stories give us hope na may possibility pa tayong yumaman and at the same time, falling in love. So san ka pa?
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Idagdag mo na din sa study list mo ang "The Filipino Audience and Their Taste for Films". Hehe!
Madalas kc, probably dahil sa maraming mahirap sa bansa natin, yan mga ganyang stories give us hope na may possibility pa tayong yumaman and at the same time, falling in love. So san ka pa?
"Escapism" ang tawag dyan...
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I think it's silly to compare pinoy telenovelas to cable shows like "breaking bad" or "game of thrones". Artistically, a more apt comparison would be to compare it to US soaps, or maybe Korean or Spanish telenevolas. It's like saying that you largely prefer "The Wire" or "The Sopranos" to "The Young and the Restless" or "The Days of our Lives" and then patting yourself in the back about how spectacularly sophisticated your entertainment tastes are.
As such, the question on why shows like "Be Careful With My Heart" are popular should be framed in the context of why soaps are popular in the first place:
"The popularity of soap opera appears to rest on its undemanding nature and its preoccupation with everyday concerns" (Livingstone 1990:56). Indeed, it has been argued that the undemanding nature of soap opera can be seen as a contributory factor to the genre's popularity. For example, a regular viewer of a particular soap opera may find viewing an undemanding activity due to his or her familiarity with the plots and characters.
...Despite this criticism of soap popularity with its viewers, the soap opera remains successful partly due to its element of familiarity and longevity and in doing so, "becomes a part of a family's shared history" (Brown 1994:85).
...the popularity of soap opera here stems from the pleasures offered by the points of identification offered by the characters. We want to watch and discover what happens to those specific characters locked into that specific network of relationships (Glaesner 1990:117).
Why Are Soap Operas So Popular?
http://www.aber.ac.uk/media/Students/sar9501.html
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Ano kaya mangyayari sa ending ng My Husband's Lover? Sino ang magkakatuluyan.... hehe...
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Malamang, they will realize that the gay husband and clueless wife have to stay together for the kids so the gay lover either goes away or commits suicide.
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Puro away at sigawan! hindi maganda na ma expose ang mga tao sa mga to. Sa tingin ko lang. ;)
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BTW, why do you guys think the Catholic Church is getting all their panties in a bunch over My Husband's Lover? Eh, madami ng foreign shows nanagdepict ng gay couples, often in positive light: Glee, Brothers and Sisters, Will & Grace, Modern Family, etc. but when a Pinoy telenovela series does it, depict an honest and for once, not the flaming hairdresser type of gay relationship, they're getting all worried.
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BTW, why do you guys think the Catholic Church is getting all their panties in a bunch over My Husband's Lover? Eh, madami ng foreign shows nanagdepict ng gay couples, often in positive light: Glee, Brothers and Sisters, Will & Grace, Modern Family, etc. but when a Pinoy telenovela series does it, depict an honest and for once, not the flaming hairdresser type of gay relationship, they're getting all worried.
Baka ang sakop lang ng local catholic church is our country. :D
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Hala... mahuhuli na ni Wife ang kanyang husband with the lover... aw!
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Hala... mahuhuli na ni Wife ang kanyang husband with the lover... aw!
nanonood ka pala nito hehehe >:D
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hahaa yes, sir! mukhang magkakabasagan ng puso mamaya... lahat sila mababasag sa mga mangyayari...
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hahaa yes, sir! mukhang magkakabasagan ng puso mamaya... lahat sila mababasag sa mga mangyayari...
napanood lang ni mrs isang episode gusto na subaybayan lol >:D
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Nacurious sa magiging ending si Mrs, sir? hehehe...
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Nacurious sa magiging ending si Mrs, sir? hehehe...
in fairness, taob yung mga kasabay sa timeslot nito ^-^
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Sa GMA naman, laging may nawawalang anak na mapupunta sa mahirap na pamilya.
This trope is also being overused in ABS-CBN telenovelas, as in baby switching at birth between families of opposing social status (rich vs. poor). The switched kids eventually become involved with one another, and their stupid, stereotyped families go to war with one another, often with some evil bastard patriarch or bitchy matriarch (yet another overused trope in itself) making the conflict worse.
This was used in Ina, Kapatid, Anak and is currently being used again in Anna Liza and Muling Buksan ang Puso.
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yan kasi ang mabenta sa mga puso ng karamihan... ;D
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As someone who has been on the inside (Ricky Lee workshopper, writer for ABS-CBN), that is the case. The networks, by and large, make programs that are guaranteed to be hits because these days, the ads don't support the shows, they make the shows so you can watch the ads.
It's not because we lack writers with original ideas. I know A LOT of writers who have EXCELLENT, ORIGINAL, EXCITING ideas for shows (not to brag but yours truly included) but the networks want guaranteed ad revenue. Even if by some miracle your original idea was approved, you will be asked to rewrite it and rewrite it and rewrite it, until it becomes MORE generic and only the shell is left. It's so much so that Ricky Lee has told us that if we manage to get one or two original/new twists and turns into the soaps we're writing, it's considered a triumph for us.
Writers have almost zero power in writing these shows. And they're poorly paid too. I know writers who'd work well into the wee hours for only FOOD and a thank you.
So if you watch a Pinoy telenovela and you notice all of these tropes, it's NOT because of the writers. It's because of the TV network executives and advertisers who want GUARANTEED ratings (i.e. nothing so new that it would risk turning off viewers) and the Pinoys who swallow it all up in big numbers.
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Hindi lang naman dito nangyayari yan, kahit sa mga US shows ganyan... pera-pera lang yan, that's business.
Naiinis ako sa mga US shows dahil walang katapusan, tapos same pattern din, puro characters ang focus gang sa parang hindi na nakakarating sa dapat kapuntahan ng istorya. Kaya anime na lang pinapanood ko kahit parang wala din katapusan, nakakatuwa naman kasi cartoons.. ;D Saka ganda ng mga artworks, dun ako bumibilib ;)
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Hindi lang naman dito nangyayari yan, kahit sa mga US shows ganyan... pera-pera lang yan, that's business.
Naiinis ako sa mga US shows dahil walang katapusan, tapos same pattern din, puro characters ang focus gang sa parang hindi na nakakarating sa dapat kapuntahan ng istorya. Kaya anime na lang pinapanood ko kahit parang wala din katapusan, nakakatuwa naman kasi cartoons.. ;D Saka ganda ng mga artworks, dun ako bumibilib ;)
U.S. shows? Maybe in their daytime soaps/network TV procedurals. Not in cable though! Don't tell me you know how Breaking Bad is going to end.
In the U.S., writers have a bit more power because the head writers are also the producers of the show and their name becomes a brand and sometimes they crossover to become big movie people too: J.J. Abrams, Aaron Sorkin and Joss Whedon are examples of this. Mabigat ang mga pangalan nila and they became a brand because of TV. The shows that become hits in the U.S., the fans get to know, not only yun mga artista, but also the creator who's also the executive producer and head-writer for the show otherwise known as a SHOW-RUNNER.
Over here, we do not know who's the creator of the show (the names of the creator/writer are not prominently displayed in the credits) so the writers have very little chance to make a name and gain power plus I don't think Pinoys are the least bit interested in finding out about writers anyway even in shows that they love.
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As someone who has been on the inside (Ricky Lee workshopper, writer for ABS-CBN), that is the case. The networks, by and large, make programs that are guaranteed to be hits because these days, the ads don't support the shows, they make the shows so you can watch the ads.
It's not because we lack writers with original ideas. I know A LOT of writers who have EXCELLENT, ORIGINAL, EXCITING ideas for shows (not to brag but yours truly included) but the networks want guaranteed ad revenue. Even if by some miracle your original idea was approved, you will be asked to rewrite it and rewrite it and rewrite it, until it becomes MORE generic and only the shell is left. It's so much so that Ricky Lee has told us that if we manage to get one or two original/new twists and turns into the soaps we're writing, it's considered a triumph for us.
Writers have almost zero power in writing these shows. And they're poorly paid too. I know writers who'd work well into the wee hours for only FOOD and a thank you.
So if you watch a Pinoy telenovela and you notice all of these tropes, it's NOT because of the writers. It's because of the TV network executives and advertisers who want GUARANTEED ratings (i.e. nothing so new that it would risk turning off viewers) and the Pinoys who swallow it all up in big numbers.
Haaaayyyy.. dapat ata offshoot ng "May pag-asa pa ba ang Pilipinas?" thread to e... hahahaha.. and sa tingin ko, wala na.. ;D
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sabagay sa US nga rin yung soap opera nila, palit-palit ng partner, amnesia, evil twin, secret whatever din... pati yung revenge wala nang kwenta. even true blood, glee, how i met your mother.
and remember the last few seasons of lost, x-files and smallville?
yung my husband's lover parang kakaiba dahil lang mga gays pero story rin sya ng marital infidelity at over extended na rin ang crying scenes while kuh ledesma's song plays. music video ba ito?
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U.S. shows? Maybe in their daytime soaps/network TV procedurals. Not in cable though! Don't tell me you know how Breaking Bad is going to end.
In the U.S., writers have a bit more power because the head writers are also the producers of the show and their name becomes a brand and sometimes they crossover to become big movie people too: J.J. Abrams, Aaron Sorkin and Joss Whedon are examples of this. Mabigat ang mga pangalan nila and they became a brand because of TV. The shows that become hits in the U.S., the fans get to know, not only yun mga artista, but also the creator who's also the executive producer and head-writer for the show otherwise known as a SHOW-RUNNER.
Over here, we do not know who's the creator of the show (the names of the creator/writer are not prominently displayed in the credits) so the writers have very little chance to make a name and gain power plus I don't think Pinoys are the least bit interested in finding out about writers anyway even in shows that they love.
Maybe I don't know all of them US SHOWS. So bilib ka kay JJ Abrams??? LOST anyone?? I was really LOST hehe!!! How about his movie about some ALIEN(Monster???), though not really sure about this kung sya ang writer or producer hehe!
How about SMALLVILLE??? HEROES??? etc etc.... ;D
Most of the time umiiral lang ang Colonial mentality naten kaya hindi naten nakikita (o ayaw naten makita ;D) ang mga flaws ng ISTEYTSAYD na shows... ;)
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^boss, relax! baka tumaas ang high blood! :D
pero tama nga na mas fair i-compare ang pinoy telenovelas sa us soap operas lang kasi wala naman tayong weekly drama series dito, cable or network man. I think the last time GMA tried, it was with Philip Salvador in Verano, parang action-drama way back in the 90s pero tinalo talaga ng soap operas.Pati mga weekly sitcom, namatay. TV5 tried din with a weekend supernatural, di ko lang maalala.
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sabagay sa US nga rin yung soap opera nila, palit-palit ng partner, amnesia, evil twin, secret whatever din...
Don't forget demonic possession; parang I recall one storyline sa Days of Our Lives in which the lead character was possessed by a demon, LOL
Maybe I don't know all of them US SHOWS. So bilib ka kay JJ Abrams??? LOST anyone?? I was really LOST hehe!!! How about his movie about some ALIEN(Monster???), though not really sure about this kung sya ang writer or producer hehe!
How about SMALLVILLE??? HEROES??? etc etc.... ;D
Please stick to the topic; the shows you mentioned are not soaps or telenovelas--they are scripted weekly dramas. Yup, they are also flawed, pero the discussion is about Pinoy Telenovelas in general.
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I think a fairer comparison to our telenovelas are MEXICAN telenovelas. I think they are the closest comparison. The soaps in the U.S. are VERY different from our soaps. They do tend to be wacky because there's only so much they can do with love triangles and adultery storylines.
Most of the time umiiral lang ang Colonial mentality naten kaya hindi naten nakikita (o ayaw naten makita ) ang mga flaws ng ISTEYTSAYD na shows...
I'm not speaking from a "colonial mentality" point of view. I'm speaking from someone who has worked on the inside, knows quite a bit about how showbiz works (I mean, I have written a Pinoy indie film after all!) and pretty much has a critical eye about that sort of stuff. Hindi ako bilib dahil "isteytsayd". I quit watching Glee because I know the storylines and the quality are getting poor. I find Beverly Hills 90210, The O.C., Brothers and Sisters and One Tree Hill boring as hell.
All your complaints here about Pinoy telenovelas, I'm just saying that all of what you see is not because we lack talent but because the people in power just wants guaranteed money. If I try to pitch a show where the lead character is a corrupt politician who tries to cover up the murder of a prostitute by his mentally ill teenage son and it will be told from a non-linear narrative from the points of view of different characters, I'd either be chased out of the room or be told to rewrite it and water down it so much that it will simply be a conventional gentle drama about an honest politician falling in love with a prostitute (maybe not even a prostitute, baka GRO or Japayuki na lang) who will be changed through the power of prayer.
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Agreed. Alam ko din nman na marami talaga tayong talentadong manunulat, kaso talagang nauuna muna ang pera. And dont get me wrong hindi rin ako bilib sa mga telenobela naten, kaso yan talaga ang gusto ng karamihan karaniwang pinoy. Pero napansin ko kahit papano nagiimprove na naman. Halimbawa yung Juan sa abs, pansin ko medyo improved na ang cinematography(if thats whats its called ;D)
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Well, the fact that My Husband's Lover exists shows that it IS improving even just a little bit. It's still a conventional soap but at least it's tackling a topic seriously that hasn't been tackled in Pinoy telenovelas and it's a hit! Maybe...just maybe...that would tell executives that Pinoys are not averse to new ideas.
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now that they've seen the potential, we can expect more of the same genre soon.{milk it}
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Filipino seryes a hit in Cambodia
http://www.rappler.com/entertainment/38328-filipino-seryes-hit-cambodia
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yung anak ko gusto panoorin yung "got to believe" sa abs-cbn
after nito mrs ko naman "my husband's lover" sa gma7 >:D
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out na on dvd yung "my husband's lover" volume 1 and 2 >:D
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Yung gay lovers din ang nagkatuluyan.... hehehe... but without the kissing scene... SPG daw according to MTRCB...
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Yung gay lovers din ang nagkatuluyan.... hehehe... but without the kissing scene... SPG daw according to MTRCB...
si lally sino nakatuluyan? si ryan agoncillo ba?
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si lally sino nakatuluyan? si ryan agoncillo ba?
Well... yun ang premise nung nagmeet sila ulit ni ryan... pero hindi naman naconclude sa ending...
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Well... yun ang premise nung nagmeet sila ulit ni ryan... pero hindi naman naconclude sa ending...
parang hawig ni ryan si eric pag nakasalamin >:D
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Ang ending, sabi ni lally... my husband's lover also became my bestfriend....
;) *yak!*
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I have a question to anyone watching Pinoy telenovelas like Legal Wife and the like: Do any of these telenovelas take the cheating husband or boyfriend to task? It seems as though Pinoys love it when two women fight over a man despite the fact that the man cheated on both of them.
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sino ba ang puede magsabi sa mga director at mga writers sa mga telenovelas naten na kung puede lang itigil na yung istorya na panget kuno muna yung bida tapos gaganda.
this is so old and an obsolete story. can they not make any good shows anymore? got to believe medyo okay, hehe. tsaka legal wife. hahahaha
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sino ba ang puede magsabi sa mga director at mga writers sa mga telenovelas naten na kung puede lang itigil na yung istorya na panget kuno muna yung bida tapos gaganda.
this is so old and an obsolete story. can they not make any good shows anymore? got to believe medyo okay, hehe. tsaka legal wife. hahahaha
I know this coming from the inside: We have a lot of talented writers with a lot of great ideas for new stories and new concepts for shows. Ang problema is the fact that networks and sponsors want GUARANTEED ratings and new types of stories is a rick. So they stick to the tried and true for the most part.
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I know this coming from the inside: We have a lot of talented writers with a lot of great ideas for new stories and new concepts for shows. Ang problema is the fact that networks and sponsors want GUARANTEED ratings and new types of stories is a rick. So they stick to the tried and true for the most part.
That is sad. Then they are not building talents. its all about business.
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BTW, what is it with Pinoy teleseryes and their sympathetic depictions of two-timing husbands/boyfriends? It's sad that women fight over these losers while they should just leave them for someone better.
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BTW, what is it with Pinoy teleseryes and their sympathetic depictions of two-timing husbands/boyfriends? It's sad that women fight over these losers while they should just leave them for someone better.
Strike whilst iron is hot. Though I agree, they're proliferating the wrong idea.
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I think it's because we live in a culture that tolerates this type of thing. Due to us having no legal divorce law, women HAVE to stay with their husbands and have to put up with them having mistresses so they can relate to "having to fight for their husband's love" despite the fact that they've cheated on them.
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Part of my job description now is having to watch ABS-CBN teleseryes, I have to say most of them have lots of recurring elements they use again and again and again:
1. Family, family, family. ALL of the teleseryes I see are always about family. As far as I know, there is no TV drama/fantasy/dramedy series on ABS-CBN that doesn't center around a family.
2. Love triangles. Practically every teleserye has a love triangle of sorts. All heterosexual love triangles. They may be adulterous love triangles or they may be lovey-dovey teen-kilig type love triangle but it's all there.
3. Rich and poor. There's almost always a rich and poor dynamic going on. Poor people area almost always depicted as noble, hard-working and happy while rich people are either depicted as unhappy or evil.
4. Religiosity. The good guys are always depicted as explicitly religious Catholics.