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High-Def => General HD Discussion => Topic started by: pogzz505 on Jul 05, 2009 at 07:05 AM
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first time i have watched a 3d movie last friday..Ice age 3 and i wondered kung meron 3d pang HT..
Dont know kung dito dapat lagay ang post mga sir..
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^ You mean blu-ray movies in 3D? Meron na... there's Journey to the Center of the Earth, Polar Express, and My Bloody Valentine. Of the three, the only one I own is Journey to the Center of the Earth. The 3D glasses (x4) are included with the DVD. Watched it on my HTIB... maganda naman.. everyone in my family enjoyed watching Journey.. kahit medyo corny yung story. Maganda lang yung effect ng 3D. :)
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Can't wait to see Coraline in 3D;D the blu ray will be released July 21. HAven't tried watching anything in 3D at all...I read somewhere that it does include 4 3D glasses as well. my only concern is how to put it over my prescription glasses.
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^ You mean blu-ray movies in 3D? Meron na... there's Journey to the Center of the Earth, Polar Express, and My Bloody Valentine. Of the three, the only one I own is Journey to the Center of the Earth. The 3D glasses (x4) are included with the DVD. Watched it on my HTIB... maganda naman.. everyone in my family enjoyed watching Journey.. kahit medyo corny yung story. Maganda lang yung effect ng 3D. :)
sir how was it..sa movies kasi pag inalis glasses medyo blurred ang pictures na parang layered..
pano sa bluray? may settings ba na puwede 2d lang..?
and i admit maganda yung experience na parang you don't want to go 2D anymore..
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Usually, DVD's or BD's that have 3D versions include the original 2D version as well.
When you remove the 3D glasses, you also get a blurred image, because the blue & red (or green & red) colors are offset, to give a stereographic effect. Also note that conventional TV screens (CRT, LCD, LED, Plasma) are not capable of projecting 3D images the way you see them in digital cinemas. Because of this limitation, you don't get to see the same colors that you saw in the digital cinema.
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kasama din pala yung 2D version..
pero kung sa LCD tv natin gagamitin bale may lack of colors..
kung projectors siguro maganda..
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You need a special projector & screen to reproduce the intended colors. Also, the DVD/Blu-ray themselves are not encoded to give out the proper images that would do so. Even if you have the equipment that can deliver true digital 3D (as in the digital theaters), if your source (DVD/Blu-ray disc) was only encoded using the old 3D technology (using blue-red / green-red color separation), you're still stuck with "old" 3D.
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By the way, Samsung already has 3D-ready DLP HDTV's. Check this out: link (http://www.dlp.com/hdtv/3-d_dlp_hdtv.aspx)
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I assume the Panasonic Plasmas are not 3-D compatible, tama ba?
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Hmm. Maybe not. The website I mentioned above lists only some models from Samsung and Mitsubishi.
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Thank you for your inputs.
Indeed the 3D BluRay /DVD disc won't have a 3D effect when played on a Panny Plasma screen and a BluRay/DVD player. I tried it and it suck big time. Don't buy these 3D disc. Just watch it in 3D theaters instead.
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http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201001/10-002E/index.html (http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201001/10-002E/index.html)
Would this be the solution here?
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http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201001/10-002E/index.html (http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201001/10-002E/index.html)
Would this be the solution here?
Yes that's the one.
Don't confuse the old anaglyph 3D using those red and blue cellophne cardboard spectacles with the new 1080p stereoscopic 3D just coming out this year.
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this will soon be the next holy grail of our HT addiction... ;D
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Yup another new level of HT experience...darn no wonder there's no cure for SARS! ;D
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I guess soon theres also going to be 3D games. :)
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It looks like it's not enough that your TV has 120hz frame rates to display stereoscopic 3D. There are models out there trumpeting 120hz or even 240hz frame rates but only accept hdmi input at 60hz at the most and have no hdmi1.4 sockets. They also cannot show 1080p 3D.
In order to show 1080p 3D, a TV needs to accept 48hz to 120hz input because you are effectively taking in two 1080p video signals at 24hz or 60hz maximum each to be processed for 3D viewing. To those thinking of future-proofing their TV investment by buying 120hz LCD TVs, hold on. Check if it accepts 48hz to 120hz input which I think is possible only with HDMI 1.4 sockets (smaller than 1,3, also refereed to as microHDMI) for full 1080p 3D.
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Most recent HDMI cables sold by monoprice, 1.3 spec, already support 3D. However, they're releasing the 1.4 versions soon just to clear out any confusion.
Oh, and 1.4 has internet connectivity, which to me is of equal importance.
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Accdg to some sources online, HDMI 1.3 can only support 1080i 3D, not 1080p 3D. Their maximum bandwidth are the same but there's some difference is frame signaling in stereoscopic 1080p 3D over HDMI requiring the shift to 1.4.
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he,he madaling magpalit ng HDMI cable..ang mahirap magpalit ng 3D capable HDTV..
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I hope stereoscopic 3D will take-off this year. Let anaglyphic 3D be a thing of the past and bring IMAX 3D right in our homes. Major electronic brands made announcements at CES that they are going to ship new 3DTVs, projectors and blu-ray players starting 2nd quarter this year.
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"Everything with Blu-ray 3D is happening extremely fast. January isn't even over yet and Amazon already has a compatible player up for preorder: the Samsung BD-C6900, announced mere weeks ago at CES. At the time of writing, it appears as "temporarily out of stock", with no fixed availability date. It carries a price tag of $399.99."
Blu-ray.com
I think the page has bee removed na at Amazon.... ;D
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even the Nvidia 3D vision kit is selling fast Paul, just 2 weeks ago its being offered by several merchants now only Computer Brain has it on stock. Price went up also from a mere $170+ to $189.99 as of this writing.
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To those with the nvidia video cards and 3D glasses, have you tried downloadiing those 3D stereoscopic trailers or movies to watch them on your monitor? If so, how was it? TIA
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The NVIDIA 3D kits...they need compatible or special 3D monitors/displays right?
A big question going through my mind is if we need to replace our current HDMI receivers if indeed our "old" hdmi cables can't carry 3D?
Some 3D capable projectors aren't that hard to swallow and new TVs will only command a small premium of $100- $200 based on the comments in CES.
However once you couple that with the need for a new receiver, it becomes a bit too much...all the more if your receiver is one of the higher end ones. And we haven't talked of the $70-$100 active shutter glasses required to view 3D content (multiply that a few heads in the house and you get the idea.)
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Wala pa bang gumagamit ng 120hz PC monitors here? with a 3D Nvidia card?
I've never really seen the need for new receivers ever since HD started. Same with 3D.
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nVidia GeForce 3D Vision Kit. Amazon customer's review. By K. Gish (California):
I'll try to be brief, as to not simply reiterate too much of the other reviewers.
1) These nVidia glasses work very well, and the glasses have wider field of view than the eDimensions 3D glasses (which I bought 2 years ago). The 3D effect is fully adjustable in the two key dimensions: separation (amount of 3D effect) and convergence (how far away the objects appear). Having a 60 Hz refresh rate for each eye is critical; my eDimension glasses with an older 60 Hz LCD monitor could only give 30 Hz per eye and lots of flicker. I haven't tried the eDimension with the new 120 Hz monitor.
2) My computer set up is not excessive, but not wimpy either: AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ 3.0GHz; nVidia 8800GTS; 2 Gb DDR2-800 RAM; ViewSonic VX2265wm 120Hz LCD monitor; Windows 7 Home Premium 32-bit. This is about the bare minimum set up for good 3D.
3) Make sure you uninstall your current GeForce drivers before loading the new GeForce + 3D Vision drivers (collectively downloadable as the "Full Driver CD" from nVidia's website). I had mismatched drivers at first (from Windows 7), and got excessive ghosting and got the right-eye signal going to the left eye. Reinstalling with fresh drivers from nVidia solved the problem. Now I have no ghosting, no flicker, great 3D effect.
4) I've only tested one game so far, World of Warcraft, which looks beautiful. There's a setting in WoW to allow the cursor to adjust its depth to match the interacting object - nice! Takes 15-30 minutes to get used to, but then it's fantastic. Setting the convergence (or "screen depth") to a low value makes the objects appear far away and is easier on the eyes.
5) Caveats: (a) you need Windows Vista or 7; XP will not work. (b) There are only two LCD monitors at the moment that offer true 120 Hz refresh rates: ViewSonic VX2265wm FuHzion 3D/120Hz LCD Display (Black) and Samsung Syncmaster 2233RZ 22" 3D Gaming LCD Monito; many LCD TVs claim 120 Hz, but this is upscaled, and none currently take 120 Hz input; some DLP TVs will work - check nVidia's website.
Other feedbacks (http://www.amazon.com/nVidia-GeForce-3D-Vision-Kit/dp/B001PV6MCS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1264839010&sr=8-1)
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nVidia GeForce 3D Vision Kit. Amazon customer's review. By K. Gish (California):
2) My computer set up is not excessive, but not wimpy either: AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ 3.0GHz; nVidia 8800GTS; 2 Gb DDR2-800 RAM; ViewSonic VX2265wm 120Hz LCD monitor; Windows 7 Home Premium 32-bit. This is about the bare minimum set up for good 3D.
Drat
5) Caveats: (a) you need Windows Vista or 7; XP will not work. (b) There are only two LCD monitors at the moment that offer true 120 Hz refresh rates: ViewSonic VX2265wm FuHzion 3D/120Hz LCD Display (Black) and Samsung Syncmaster 2233RZ 22" 3D Gaming LCD Monito; many LCD TVs claim 120 Hz, but this is upscaled, and none currently take 120 Hz input; some DLP TVs will work - check nVidia's website.
and double drat
I'd be upgrading everything, I might as well buy an entirely new PC. thanks Paul.
Any idea how much this PC will cost, including the 3D glasses and the nVidia card? TIA
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I'd be upgrading everything, I might as well buy an entirely new PC. thanks Paul.
Any idea how much this PC will cost, including the 3D glasses and the nVidia card? TIA
Geez...last year I just upgraded my PC & spend over 30k & the specs not even near the one mentioned by Amazon's customer. Don't think I'm going to upgrade again so soon...plus the graphic card & then the 3D card pa...gosh! :-[
A new PC that meet such high specs may be in the range of 60k + another 9k for the nVidia GeForce 3D Vision Kit....oh I forgot to add the 3D LCD display pa 15k...all in all may cost around 90k :o :o
*Eh we forgot to include a Blu-ray drive... ;D
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grabe ang mahal..watch na lang kaya tayo lagi sa IMAX..
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grabe ang mahal..watch na lang kaya tayo lagi sa IMAX..
Mas lalong yayaman SM niyan, ;D
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he,he oo nga p400..grabe din..
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I guess soon theres also going to be 3D games. :)
i guess soon there's also going to be 3D P*RN ;D
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alam ko may mga ps3 3d games na..
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Ah finally found this over the web, so at least don't need to change HDMI cables. Sorry Xbox360, you can't do 3D...at least for now.
They reason Sony is able to add 3D onto the PS3 is because both HDMI 1.3 and HDMI 1.4 has the same 340Mhz(10.2Gbps) bandwidth.
This would not have been possible if the PS3 was a HDMI 1.2 device with 165Mhz(4.95Gbps) bandwidth, which is why existing Xbox 360s cannot be upgraded to support 3D.
However, HDMI 1.4 does allow for features like ethernet/USB over HDMI and 4K resolution (its able to fit that resolution on the same bandwidth because 4Kx2k is limited to 30 Hz, compared to 60 Hz). Theoretically, some (but not all) of those other 1.4 features could be added via firmware.
Although that ethernet/USB over HDMI function sounds good to start that itch. ;D
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Panasonic prices its first 3D HDTV: $5,900
If you want to be an early adopter of 3D HDTV technology, get ready to shell out a pretty hefty chunk of change. Panasonic has announced pricing and shipping information for its upcoming TH-P54VT2 3D-capable plasma TV in Japan.
The good news is that the screen hits Japanese stores in just 2 months; it's scheduled to ship April 23. The bad news is that it's priced at about $5,900 in yen, according to CrunchGear. That's a pretty steep price for any HDTV. The slightly smaller TH-P50VT2 will be a little more affordable, retailing for the equivalent of $4,800. Compared to similar, non-3D screens' prices, it looks like the cost of adding 3D to your HDTV comes out to around $800.
(http://bitstream.soundandvisionmag.com/.a/6a00df3521c63688340120a87e8ed2970b-800wi)
http://bitstream.soundandvisionmag.com/blog/2010/02/panasonic-prices-its-first-3d-hdtv-at-nearly-6000.html
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3D TV at CES 2010 - Was it Actually Like HD a Decade Ago? (Part 1)
This is a good read:
http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/articles/2010/02/3d_tv_at_ces_2010_was_it_actually_like_hd_a_decade_ago_part_1.php
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Soon, all movies will be on 3D. Even some crappy melodrama. ;D
My question is when will they start to convert all the back titles in 3D?
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Disney and Pixar already have 3D masters ready at hand.
I remember them showing Cinderella and Beauty and the Beast in 3D in SDCC a year or two ago.
Oh my. Here we go again double dipping...
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I already posted this on the other room and would like to post it here since mas sikat sya hehe...
I'm eyeing the Acer 5360 HD 3D pero sobrang mahal and I'm getting married already the price is 39900 while I found another Acer projector x1261 at 27780php which has 3d capability. More than 10k ang difference... the question is it worth it to pay an extra 10K for HDMI connectivity? Hay... I have a PS3 and xtreamer So maybe ang sagot ko is yes but not really sure kung ganun kalaki ang difference. Sad
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Picture quality will suffer while watching movies because X1261 will have to downscale everytime it detects a widescreen HD source. It has a native resolution of 1024x768 hence, it is a 4:3 3D ready business projector.
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I already posted this on the other room and would like to post it here since mas sikat sya hehe...
I'm eyeing the Acer 5360 HD 3D pero sobrang mahal and I'm getting married already the price is 39900 while I found another Acer projector x1261 at 27780php which has 3d capability. More than 10k ang difference... the question is it worth it to pay an extra 10K for HDMI connectivity? Hay... I have a PS3 and xtreamer So maybe ang sagot ko is yes but not really sure kung ganun kalaki ang difference. Sad
How can it display 3D without HDMI?
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popejerico, if your main intention is to view widescreen SD/HD movies, then the said Acer 5360 will not be suitable. As the other members have said, it's meant for business presentation, SD 4:3 viewing, etc. The 3D is a marketing plot for unsuspect buyers.
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How can it display 3D without HDMI?
thru VGA or component video
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3D would be best viewed in huge screens (PJ) and I wouldn't spend $5,900 (as what pchin posted) just to experience 3D in a 50" flat.
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popejerico, if your main intention is to view widescreen SD/HD movies, then the said Acer 5360 will not be suitable. As the other members have said, it's meant for business presentation, SD 4:3 viewing, etc. The 3D is a marketing plot for unsuspect buyers.
You have it all mixed up Acer H5360 is a very much suitable projector for HD viewing as it is a 720p native whereas Acer X1261 is a 4:3 1024x768 native beamer.
I beg to disagree Paul but I started to experience it last night . . . I don't think its a marketing plot, the 3D features of the Acer H5360 performs very well and it really works. I tried playing the Avatar 3D, Batman AA & NFS Shift and the popout was awesome no ghosting and no flickering. I threw in the Bolt 3D trailer and some demo movies in stereo 3D and wow it was so amazing unlike anaglyph 3d where the colors are messed up, in S3D its intact . . . you really have to experience to believe what others have to say about these projector. Games are visually beautiful and more fun to play now I dont think I can ever go back to 2D gaming again. ;D
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3D would be best viewed in huge screens (PJ) and I wouldn't spend $5,900 (as what pchin posted) just to experience 3D in a 50" flat.
I second that pang-pj talaga ang S3D bitin sa maliit na screen esp. if you already experienced watching in IMAX.
eto, mas mura:
Samsung's 3D HDTVs arrive February 26, starting at just under $2,000
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/12/samsungs-3d-hdtvs-arrive-february-26-starting-at-just-under-2/ (http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/12/samsungs-3d-hdtvs-arrive-february-26-starting-at-just-under-2/)
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You have it all mixed up Acer H5360 is a very much suitable projector for HD viewing as it is a 720p native whereas Acer X1261 is a 4:3 1024x768 native beamer.
I beg to disagree Paul but I started to experience it last night . . . I don't think its a marketing plot, the 3D features of the Acer H5360 performs very well and it really works. I tried playing the Avatar 3D, Batman AA & NFS Shift and the popout was awesome no ghosting and no flickering. I threw in the Bolt 3D trailer and some demo movies in stereo 3D and wow it was so amazing unlike anaglyph 3d where the colors are messed up, in S3D its intact . . . you really have to experience to believe what others have to say about these projector. Games are visually beautiful and more fun to play now I dont think I can ever go back to 2D gaming again. ;D
So when can I come over Bro? ;D
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sus! nag-paalam pa eh ang lapit mo lang :D Txt mo na lang dre kung kelan mo gusto.
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sus! nag-paalam pa eh ang lapit mo lang :D Txt mo na lang dre kung kelan mo gusto.
Aprub! 8)
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You have it all mixed up Acer H5360 is a very much suitable projector for HD viewing as it is a 720p native whereas Acer X1261 is a 4:3 1024x768 native beamer.
I beg to disagree Paul but I started to experience it last night . . . I don't think its a marketing plot, the 3D features of the Acer H5360 performs very well and it really works. I tried playing the Avatar 3D, Batman AA & NFS Shift and the popout was awesome no ghosting and no flickering. I threw in the Bolt 3D trailer and some demo movies in stereo 3D and wow it was so amazing unlike anaglyph 3d where the colors are messed up, in S3D its intact . . . you really have to experience to believe what others have to say about these projector. Games are visually beautiful and more fun to play now I dont think I can ever go back to 2D gaming again. ;D
nice brader, how much did you get the 3d glasses for?
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You have it all mixed up Acer H5360 is a very much suitable projector for HD viewing as it is a 720p native whereas Acer X1261 is a 4:3 1024x768 native beamer.
Opss...my bad. Yes, I was referring to the Acer X1261 (as I did mention 4:3 viewing) & its marketing plot. Too many model numbers got my eyes confused. ;D
So when can I come over Bro? ;D
Same ques bro. Congrat to bro Luther....going 3D na! :)
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nice brader, how much did you get the 3d glasses for?
got it for $189.99 fr. a merchant at Amazon . . . the first time I checked last Jan. it was only $170+
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Same ques bro. Congrat to bro Luther....going 3D na! :)
You can drop by anytime, does your driver still know how to get here? txt me ;)
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got it for $189.99 fr. a merchant at Amazon . . . the first time I checked last Jan. it was only $170+
wow, mahal pala. well, based on your review, its well worth the money! ;D
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@Paul -- let me know when you are coming. ;) I want to try that 3D thing with Debbie! ::)
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You have it all mixed up Acer H5360 is a very much suitable projector for HD viewing as it is a 720p native whereas Acer X1261 is a 4:3 1024x768 native beamer.
I beg to disagree Paul but I started to experience it last night . . . I don't think its a marketing plot, the 3D features of the Acer H5360 performs very well and it really works. I tried playing the Avatar 3D, Batman AA & NFS Shift and the popout was awesome no ghosting and no flickering. I threw in the Bolt 3D trailer and some demo movies in stereo 3D and wow it was so amazing unlike anaglyph 3d where the colors are messed up, in S3D its intact . . . you really have to experience to believe what others have to say about these projector. Games are visually beautiful and more fun to play now I dont think I can ever go back to 2D gaming again. ;D
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! Wag naman maginggit? :-( So ano connection mo ngayon sa PJ mo brader? HDMI or VGA? :p Kuha sana ako hanap ako ng 24 months to pay hahaha! Nakita ko nga sa page mo, ang lupet!!!
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wow, mahal pala. well, based on your review, its well worth the money! ;D
Compared to buying a new 1080p pj lumabas na mas mahal lang ng konti . . .
3D route
P39,9K(Acer H5360) + 9,4K(3D glasses) + 6,8K(video card) = P56,1K
1080p route
$1000 + shippping ? = around P53K or 75K if prefered to buy locally.
. . . but mind you that 'konti' doesn't translate to the 3D experience ha, at least for me its priceless :D
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Are the 3D glasses you bought a pair or a piece? :D
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@Paul -- let me know when you are coming. ;) I want to try that 3D thing with Debbie! ::)
hehe patay tayo . . . baka iba ang mag-pop out nyan :D
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WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! Wag naman maginggit? :-( So ano connection mo ngayon sa PJ mo brader? HDMI or VGA? :p Kuha sana ako hanap ako ng 24 months to pay hahaha! Nakita ko nga sa page mo, ang lupet!!!
HDMI brader, meron kasama na DVI-HDMI cable ung glasses. Tnx :)
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You can drop by anytime, does your driver still know how to get here? txt me ;)
Tnx bro...I can't wait to see your 3D gear in action. ;) It's been quite long since my last visit, probably he can't recall na. Will PM you about the address.
@Paul -- let me know when you are coming. ;) I want to try that 3D thing with Debbie! ::)
Sure will let you know...hehe I foresee there will be an EB at Luther's HT soon na. ;D
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Are the 3D glasses you bought a pair or a piece? :D
1 pair bro I mean, good for 1 person lang.
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^thanks bro, a bit pricey pa pala esp if 2 or 3 kayong manunuod. Pero panigurado, the enjoyment factor is more than x2 or x3!!!
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Tnx bro...I can't wait to see your 3D gear in action. ;) It's been quite long since my last visit, probably he can't recall na. Will PM you about the address.
Sure will let you know...hehe I foresee there will be an EB at Luther's HT soon na. ;D
Paul, hope you can make it in the afternoon..have work at 6PM. ;)
Guess it's time to change that handle to dts-3D 8)
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Compared to buying a new 1080p pj lumabas na mas mahal lang ng konti . . .
3D route
P39,9K(Acer H5360) + 9,4K(3D glasses) + 6,8K(video card) = P56,1K
1080p route
$1000 + shippping ? = around P53K or 75K if prefered to buy locally.
. . . but mind you that 'konti' doesn't translate to the 3D experience ha, at least for me its priceless :D
yes yes. i would say the experience is well worth it brader. enjoy! sama din ako pag pumunta sina sir froot. ;)
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Guess it's time to change that handle to dts-3D 8)
dts-3D it is ;D
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yes yes. i would say the experience is well worth it brader. enjoy! sama din ako pag pumunta sina sir froot. ;)
Ok aynz
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dts-3D it is ;D
AHYEAH!!!!!!!! (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h134/donnel111/emoticon-0178-rock.gif)
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interesting read...
3D Blu-ray Player Commonly Asked Questions (http://www.retrevo.com/my/5875/article/19681214?cmpid=Email)
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interesting read...
3D Blu-ray Player Commonly Asked Questions (http://www.retrevo.com/my/5875/article/19681214?cmpid=Email)
Quote from the above FAQ:
1. "Two important features will make Blu-ray players able to play 3D movies. HDMI 1.4 is the latest cabling standard that supports a high bit rate necessary to send the extra data the TV needs to display two different images to each eye for the 3D effect."
2. Concerning PS3: "Partly due to the built-in graphics processing power, a firmware upgrade (due this summer) may be all you need to upgrade your PS3 to 3D. Unfortunately you won't be able to upgrade the HDMI port to 1.4 so that may become an issue."
3. Concerning AVR: "Unfortunately your old receiver won't support 3D at least full 1080p 3D that will require an HDMI 1.4 port. If you try and send an HDMI 1.4 signal through an HDMI 1.3 port, the 3D information will be stripped off before it gets passed on to the TV"
From a separate HDTV authority that reported:
1. HDMI versions 1.3 and 1.4 have sufficient bandwidth (10.2 Gbps) to transport dual 3D images with full 1080p resolution even at 60 fps frame rate.
2. Firmware upgrades could be applied to earlier HDMI versions to implement 3D protocols. The firmware upgrade could be applied to version 1.3 hardware, which already has more than the bandwidth capacity needed to transport uncompressed 3D at full resolution for each eye (3D Blu-ray).
3. In theory, the full 10.2 Gbps of bandwidth of the HDMI specification for versions 1.3 or 1.4 is not actually required to implement 3D, not even the 3D Blu-ray full 1080p dual frames, because most of its content would be 2X1080p24 (film base) or 2X1080i60 (video source) for which the 4.95 Gbps bandwidth of v1.0 would be sufficient.
There are still many questions & confusions. The worst case scenario is the requirement of HDMI 1.4 in all hardware aspects i.e. BD player, AV receiver & HDTV. These will cost an arm, leg & kidney eh. :'(
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Sony Blu-ray Players to do 3D 1080p with HDMI 1.3
"Surprisingly, Sony has announced that they’re going to be sending full 1080p 3D signals over existing cables. Of course, that’s not the whole story. . . .
. . . There’s been a lot of confusion with the advent of 3D and HDMI 1.4, and the initial word was that HDMI 1.3 just couldn’t handle 3D in 1080p. As Sony pointed out though, that’s not really the case. Their new Blu-ray players can hack a 1080p signal using your existing HDMI cords."
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/3D/Sony/Industry_Trends/Sony_Blu-ray_Players_to_do_3D_1080p_with_HDMI_1.3/4269 (http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/3D/Sony/Industry_Trends/Sony_Blu-ray_Players_to_do_3D_1080p_with_HDMI_1.3/4269)
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PS3 firmware update 3.20 to include 3D video output option
(http://i.afterdawn.com/storage/pictures/550/3dvideooutputps3.jpg)
http://www.blasteroids.com/news/news_item.cfm/21652/ps3_firmware_update_3_20_to_include_3d_video_output_option (http://www.blasteroids.com/news/news_item.cfm/21652/ps3_firmware_update_3_20_to_include_3d_video_output_option)
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Sony Blu-ray Players to do 3D 1080p with HDMI 1.3
. . . There’s been a lot of confusion with the advent of 3D and HDMI 1.4, and the initial word was that HDMI 1.3 just couldn’t handle 3D in 1080p. As Sony pointed out though, that’s not really the case. Their new Blu-ray players can hack a 1080p signal using your existing HDMI cords."[/url]
Good...This reinforce the article I read earlier that HDMI 1.3 has sufficient bandwidth to transport dual 3D images with full 1080p resolution for each eye (3D Blu-ray). Strike one, one more to go.... ;D
3D SARS Attack List:
1. 3D Blu-ray player
2. 3D display
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Tatamaan ung receivers :(
Nonetheless, a good guide in upgrading and planning, from AVguru:
All 3D Blu-ray players output FHD3D movies at 24 fps. Both LED LCD and CCFL backlit FH3D HDTVs internally convert the signal to sequential display (alternating left and right frames) at 240Hz (synchronizing with shutter glasses that provide 120 views per second for left and right eyes [120+120 =240]. All announced FHD3D plasma displays internally convert the 3D Blu-ray movie signals from “over/under” to frame sequential at 120 Hz for 60 views per second for each eye.
Surround Sound Receivers
Unfortunately, your current HDMI equipped surround sound receiver will not pass the new FHD3D signal and no upgrades are possible according to both Sony and Denon. Why? A system called EDID (Extended Display Identification Data) currently handles communications between your TV, receiver and source components and it works fine. However, when your new 3D television communicates that it is an FHD3D television, the receiver will not understand because the 3D ID was not part of the standard when your receiver was designed. The receiver will shut off the HDMI signal and your new 3D TV screen will go black.
Your only solution will be to replace your receiver with a new one that’s 3D compatible or use one of a number of available “work arounds.” You can still use your current HDMI receiver with Panasonic’s upcoming 3D Blu-ray player because it includes a separate “audio only” HDMI output. Connect the video HDMI directly to your 3D set and the audio HDMI to your receiver to decode Dolby TruHD or DTS lossless codecs. No other manufacturer has announced this feature. You can also use coax or optical digital “outs” from the 3D Blu-ray player but you won’t get lossless audio and you’ll still have to connect the 3D Blu-ray player directly to the 3D HDTV to see the picture.
3D HDMI Cables
Will your existing 1.3 HDMI cables handle the FHD3D signal or will you have to replace them? The only way to really know is to connect it and see if they work. Some will, some won’t. If the cable can handle the 6.75 Gbps FHD3D data rate, it probably will.
There are two types of legacy 1.3 HDMI cables: Category 1 and Category 2. The former must be able to handle at least 6.69 Gbps signals; any cable that slightly exceeds its minimum requirement will work. Category 2 HDMI 1.3 cables handle signals up to 10.2 Gbps. These will certainly work.
The HDMI 1.4 standard has optional features for both TV and source component makers, including an audio return function and Ethernet connectivity (which allows one Ethernet signal to be carried to other connected components via HDMI if the maker includes this 1.4 feature).
To streamline HDMI cable selection Silicon Image dispensed with the old numerical system and replaced it with the following categories (source: hdmi.org website):
Standard HDMI Cable
The Standard HDMI cable is designed to handle most home applications, and is tested to reliably transmit 1080i or 720p video – the HD resolutions that are commonly associated with cable and satellite television, digital broadcast HD, and upscaling DVD players.
Standard HDMI Cable with Ethernet
This cable type offers the same baseline performance as the Standard HDMI Cable shown above (720p or 1080i video resolution), plus an additional, dedicated data channel, known as the HDMI Ethernet Channel, for device networking. HDMI Ethernet Channel functionality is only available if both linked devices are HDMI Ethernet Channel-enabled.
Automotive HDMI Cable
Designed for internal cabling of vehicles equipped with onboard HD video systems. Tested to a more robust performance standard, and capable of withstanding the unique stresses of the motoring environment such as vibration and temperature extremes.
High Speed HDMI Cable
The High Speed HDMI cable is designed and tested to handle video resolutions of 1080p and beyond, including advanced display technologies such as 4K, 3D, and Deep Color. If you are using any of these technologies, or if you are connecting your 1080p display to a 1080p content source, such as a Blu-ray Disc player, this is the recommended cable.
High Speed HDMI Cable with Ethernet
This cable type offers the same baseline performance as the High Speed HDMI Cable shown above (1080p video resolution and beyond), plus an additional, dedicated data channel, known as the HDMI Ethernet Channel, for device networking. HDMI Ethernet Channel functionality is only available if both linked devices are HDMI Ethernet Channel-enabled.
http://hdguru3d.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=180:what-you-need-to-know-about-3d-and-hdmi&catid=35:hdguru3d-news&Itemid=59
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You can still use your current HDMI receiver with Panasonic’s upcoming 3D Blu-ray player because it includes a separate “audio only” HDMI output. Connect the video HDMI directly to your 3D set and the audio HDMI to your receiver to decode Dolby TruHD or DTS lossless codecs. No other manufacturer has announced this feature. You can also use coax or optical digital “outs” from the 3D Blu-ray player but you won’t get lossless audio and you’ll still have to connect the 3D Blu-ray player directly to the 3D HDTV to see the picture.
Good move fr. Panasonic! . . . practically no need for 3D A/V receiver upgrade. Hope same workaround applies when Sony releases its 3D firmware for the PS3. HDMI >>> connected directly to >>> 3D display and
Optical out >>> connected to receiver. Tiis muna w/o HD audio. ;D
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Good move fr. Panasonic! . . . practically no need for 3D A/V receiver upgrade. Hope same workaround applies when Sony releases its 3D firmware for the PS3. HDMI >>> connected directly to >>> 3D display and
Optical out >>> connected to receiver. Tiis muna w/o HD audio. ;D
Are you still keen on getting an HD audio even though we failed on this one during our last blind test and preferred the standard DD/DTS? ;D
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Surround Sound Receivers
Your only solution will be to replace your receiver with a new one that’s 3D compatible or use one of a number of available “work arounds.” You can still use your current HDMI receiver with Panasonic’s upcoming 3D Blu-ray player because it includes a separate “audio only” HDMI output. Connect the video HDMI directly to your 3D set and the audio HDMI to your receiver to decode Dolby TruHD or DTS lossless codecs. No other manufacturer has announced this feature. You can also use coax or optical digital “outs” from the 3D Blu-ray player but you won’t get lossless audio and you’ll still have to connect the 3D Blu-ray player directly to the 3D HDTV to see the picture.
Strike two! Only one to go! ;)
3D SARS Attack List:
1. 3D Blu-ray player
2. 3D AV Receiver
2. 3D HD display
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Strike two! Only one to go! ;)
3D SARS Attack List:
1. 3D Blu-ray player
2. 3D AV Receiver
2. 3D HD display
congrats!
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congrats!
Better don't get too excited yet until the final 3D specs are out. ;D At least it's good to know some of our existing gears can be used & without the need of getting new hardwares. :)
Are you still keen on getting an HD audio even though we failed on this one during our last blind test and preferred the standard DD/DTS? ;D
Luther mentions using optical out to his existing AVR (no HD audio) so there is no hurry to get a 3D AVR....DD/DTS is good to go na. ;D
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Are you still keen on getting an HD audio even though we failed on this one during our last blind test and preferred the standard DD/DTS? ;D
konti lang ;D cos IME not all 'encodes' are that good and I'm a bit cautious I may still crave for HD audio for topnotch titles, movies worth buying in BD . . . but still not a big deal.
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New Blu-ray 3D Disc Players From Sony Available in March
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It seems that Sony is constantly working on creating a full ecosystem of stereoscopic 3D-ready products and it will not just provide us with a new range of 3D-ready TVs (BRAVIA LX900 series) and the software update to add S3D support to their PlayStation 3 cConsole, there will be much more. The Sony BDP-S570 Blu-ray Disc Player, announced at CES, for example will be the first of the company’s devices capable of playing 3D Blu-ray Disc movies with no firmware upgrade. It should be available in March with a price of about $250 USD and Amazon is already taking pre-orders with a release date announced as March 9th. If you are looking for a new more affordable Blu-ray 3D Disc Player, you’ll have another choice with Sony BDP-S470 Blu-ray Disc Player which will be ready to play Blu-ray 3D Disc movies on a 3D enabled TV after a firmware upgrade. This one is also expected in March with a price of about $200 USD and again it is already available for pre-order at Amazon with an expected release date of March 16th. Completing the “3D picture”, the range of Sony Home Cinema products recently announced at CES including the BDV-E370, BDV-E870, BDV-E970W, BDV-F500 and BDV-F700 will all also offer 3D-ready status, but they will require firmware update for the Blu-ray 3D support. With all that said, you should also not forget that the first Blu-ray 3D movie titles are not going to hit the market anytime before summer along with the compatible 3D TVs from Sony and other brands, so you should consider if you want to be prepared with a 3D-compatible player early…
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may demo ang Sony Bravia 3D sa MOA..
i tried it and whoo..ang galing..trailers ng ps3 games..Killzone 2, Motorstorm Pacific Rift..
they don't have a price yet..
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Yes i saw it too at moa. Looks promising but im still waiting for panasonics 3d tv.
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Trailers pa lang yan, its a another story while you're into it. Gaming is much immersive and expect extended playability, you may be tempted to pause while playing or repeat your favorite games over and over b'cos of the visual effects. ;D
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Looking to purchase my first projector. Was looking at the Epson 8100/ 8500UB or Panasonic PT-AE4000E, but now looking to hold out on a 3D model. I'm hoping that Epson will bring out a Full 3D Projector.
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Early Adoption of 3-D
Q: I was wondering if it makes any sense to wait a while before I buy 3-D hardware. I was one of the first to buy an "HD ready" TV, only to buy a "Full HD" TV two years later. Is there a chance the same thing might happen again technically? I mean, can they make 3-D "more 3-D" in a few years with certain techniques like they HD went from 720p to 1080p?
A: Early adoption of any new technology is always a risky proposition. Some people are more eager to live on the bleeding edge than others. If you're feeling skeptical about the new 3-D technology and have the patience to wait a bit, it may be a good idea to hold off buying a new 3-D TV for a product generation or two. I certainly don't see any harm in waiting… other than that you won't be able to watch 3-D content for a while, of course.
I don't think that 3-D TVs will become "more 3-D" in the same sense that HDTVs transitioned from 720p to 1080p. It looks to me like the industry has settled on the 1080p 3-D standard and plans to stay there for a while. In that respect, the 3-D rollout is likely to be much smoother than HDTV initially was. Even Blu-ray suffered the quagmire of its "Profiles" in early generation players. On the other hand, the proper technology for 3-D appears to be in place from the start for this launch.
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Joshua_Zyber/HD_Advisor/58_HD_Advisor_Fury/4715
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Anyone knows the easiest way to convert 3d sbs mkv to 3d anaglyph?