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In terms of Stereo music, alin ang mas gusto mo, Dynaudio or Vifa Tweeter ? :)

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Re: Which is Good sounding tweeter for you, Dynaudio or Vifa ?
« Reply #1 on: Nov 04, 2011 at 08:36 PM »
Casual stereo listening, I vote for Vifa, particularly the ring radiators.  If you can OEM the Vifa ring radiator tweeters + Scanspeak paper cone woofers, that would be the bomb. Classic combination.


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Re: Which is Good sounding tweeter for you, Dynaudio or Vifa ?
« Reply #2 on: Nov 04, 2011 at 09:16 PM »
Casual stereo listening, I vote for Vifa, particularly the ring radiators.  If you can OEM the Vifa ring radiator tweeters + Scanspeak paper cone woofers, that would be the bomb. Classic combination.



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Re: Which is Good sounding tweeter for you, Dynaudio or Vifa ?
« Reply #3 on: Nov 04, 2011 at 10:28 PM »
Casual stereo listening, I vote for Vifa, particularly the ring radiators.  If you can OEM the Vifa ring radiator tweeters + Scanspeak paper cone woofers, that would be the bomb. Classic combination.


Against which dynaudio model have you compared the vifa xt?
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Re: Which is Good sounding tweeter for you, Dynaudio or Vifa ?
« Reply #4 on: Nov 04, 2011 at 11:23 PM »
It depends sa model and implementation imho. Higher models ng Dynaudio and Vifa can both sound very good when utilized properly.

On-axis, I favor the ring radiator Vifas. Pero kung wide dispersion ang habol, then domes might be better suited for that.

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Re: Which is Good sounding tweeter for you, Dynaudio or Vifa ?
« Reply #5 on: Nov 05, 2011 at 01:33 AM »
Very airy ang vifa for me, which i like.

Ang tanong, ano ang bagong niluluto ni master Anthony.
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Re: Which is Good sounding tweeter for you, Dynaudio or Vifa ?
« Reply #6 on: Nov 05, 2011 at 05:17 AM »
Dyns for me.  Just tested my Audience 42 before I ship it off for sale, and damn, they sound really good with my Luxman amp. . . ;D

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Re: Which is Good sounding tweeter for you, Dynaudio or Vifa ?
« Reply #7 on: Nov 05, 2011 at 09:20 AM »
Vifa for me. may bago nanaman? :D

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Re: Which is Good sounding tweeter for you, Dynaudio or Vifa ?
« Reply #8 on: Nov 05, 2011 at 03:53 PM »
Heard the audience before. if compared it to a vifa used by sf, specifically yung double-ring radiator tweeters, im betting on those vifa's. Pero kung dynaudio esotar tweeters yan (also being used by sf in some models) i'll bet on the dynaudio esotars  ;)
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Re: Which is Good sounding tweeter for you, Dynaudio or Vifa ?
« Reply #9 on: Nov 05, 2011 at 05:17 PM »
Looking to match for the new aaudio high end series.....Opps.... ;D ;D I like the Vifa tweeter use in the 1m plus speaker of Sonus Faber.
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Re: Which is Good sounding tweeter for you, Dynaudio or Vifa ?
« Reply #10 on: Nov 05, 2011 at 05:25 PM »
I vote for the xt25s, really great sounding tweets specially when mated with hybrid/solid state amps, pangit nga lang off axis response pero pag on axis they sound really good.  8)

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Re: Which is Good sounding tweeter for you, Dynaudio or Vifa ?
« Reply #11 on: Nov 05, 2011 at 05:36 PM »
Ang tanong, ano ang bagong niluluto ni master Anthony.

oo nga ano kaya ang bago  ;D

Vifa XT25 din vote ko

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Re: Which is Good sounding tweeter for you, Dynaudio or Vifa ?
« Reply #12 on: Nov 05, 2011 at 07:04 PM »
Hmmm, something in the works sir? :)
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Re: Which is Good sounding tweeter for you, Dynaudio or Vifa ?
« Reply #13 on: Nov 06, 2011 at 01:26 AM »
Very airy ang vifa for me, which i like.

Ang tanong, ano ang bagong niluluto ni master Anthony.

bagong line-up sir ng pang pure Audio. ;D

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Re: Which is Good sounding tweeter for you, Dynaudio or Vifa ?
« Reply #14 on: Nov 06, 2011 at 01:43 AM »
Sabi ko na nga ba eh.  ;D

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Re: Which is Good sounding tweeter for you, Dynaudio or Vifa ?
« Reply #15 on: Nov 06, 2011 at 07:01 AM »
Something to look forward to.......sana there can be a demo during the Xmas party :)


bagong line-up sir ng pang pure Audio. ;D

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Re: Which is Good sounding tweeter for you, Dynaudio or Vifa ?
« Reply #16 on: Nov 06, 2011 at 07:15 AM »
the vifa nipples xt25 is the current diy favorite. they say it's the best $30 tweeter. go na master para ma-audition na kina sir mark sa eb.  ;)
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Re: Which is Good sounding tweeter for you, Dynaudio or Vifa ?
« Reply #17 on: Nov 06, 2011 at 07:42 AM »
I vote for the xt25s, really great sounding tweets specially when mated with hybrid/solid state amps, pangit nga lang off axis response pero pag on axis they sound really good.  8)

I agree. These are among the nicest tweets in their surprisingly affordable price range, as long as you stay on-axis. They are low distortion drivers, which may not be very true with some price-comparable soft domes.

The XT25s are suitable for crossing low, especially with higher order filters. They can easily integrate into a 2-way arrangement with big woofers because they can take up a big chunk of the midrange. Aside from this, like most ring radiator tweets, most big woofers perform significantly better on-axis (less breakup in the critical midrange region). This downside of having big woofers would be significantly diminished, as you're already locked into on-axis listening with the tweeter choice anyway. :D




Something like the Peerless SLS 830668 / 830669 woofer may work with the Vifa XT25BG60-04 (the tweet would need some attenuation).
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Re: Which is Good sounding tweeter for you, Dynaudio or Vifa ?
« Reply #18 on: Nov 06, 2011 at 01:32 PM »
I agree. These are among the nicest tweets in their surprisingly affordable price range, as long as you stay on-axis. They are low distortion drivers, which may not be very true with some price-comparable soft domes.

The XT25s are suitable for crossing low, especially with higher order filters. They can easily integrate into a 2-way arrangement with big woofers because they can take up a big chunk of the midrange. Aside from this, like most ring radiator tweets, most big woofers perform significantly better on-axis (less breakup in the critical midrange region). This downside of having big woofers would be significantly diminished, as you're already locked into on-axis listening with the tweeter choice anyway. :D


Something like the Peerless SLS 830668 / 830669 woofer may work with the Vifa XT25BG60-04 (the tweet would need some attenuation).

+1 with the peerless sls woofers.  :) +1 din with crossing them low, probably at 2.5khz third order.  8) the tweets are reasonably flat, 1khz to well above 20khz and they can go as high as 40khz...

couple of big name brands are using the tweets on their flagships like Mission, Sonus Faber, Polk Audio, etc. that in itself says a lot about the tweets.  :)
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Re: Which is Good sounding tweeter for you, Dynaudio or Vifa ?
« Reply #19 on: Nov 06, 2011 at 02:34 PM »
+1 with the peerless sls woofers.  :) +1 din with crossing them low, probably at 2.5khz third order.  8) the tweets are reasonably flat, 1khz to well above 20khz and they can go as high as 40khz...

couple of big name brands are using the tweets on their flagships like Mission, Sonus Faber, Polk Audio, etc. that in itself says a lot about the tweets.  :)

When coupled with bigger SLS woofers (the 10" 830668, for example), crossing the XT25s at 2kHz may be a better idea to minimize the audibility of cone breakup. A nice 3rd or 4th order filter would be great when crossing that low, but the tweeter is robust enough to get by with just a 2nd order filter at 2kHz (1.5kHz or so may be even doable with a 4th order design). The clincher is that it has to be a good implementation, since the crossover happens right smack in the midrange and imperfections may be very audible because of that.

While the tweeter itself could probably work with a 1kHz shallow HPF at lower volumes, the smaller radiating area of ring radiators limit maximum usable output at very low crossover points (distortion would set in early). Doing a steeper slope in the 2kHz region would likely enhance the speaker's flexibility tremendously.

Two SLS 830668 woofers paralleled in a D'Appolito configuration (flanking the tweeter) sounds like a sweet idea, if the cabinet could be tall enough to position the tweeter correctly. The two woofers would deliver about 94dB sensitivity (half space) at 2.83V, which matches almost perfectly with the XT25BG60-04. A higher order LPF may be useful to cleanup the woofer output beyond 2kHz. There shouldn't be any need for driver attenuation, if built properly. The tweeter of course would have to be in its own chamber, to minimize interaction.

The reason I thought about this is because I prefer the sound of unattenuated drivers. Most passive attenuation circuitry on drivers tend to take away some of the openness in the sound (or color it noticeably at least), and I think it's partly because of the lack of driver damping that results from its insertion into the circuit (and/or the fact that its electrical characteristics is closer to purely resistive, thus not sympathizing with the driver's impedance curve).

Active crosses are a great alternative, but it can be just as (or even more) destructive if implemented poorly (and most people are not geared for an active layout).

This 2-way config that I mentioned earlier could yield a truly full range speaker (and a unique one, in this age of mostly smaller drivers) in the right enclosure, but the success would bank largely on how well the crossover works. Of course, a 3-way or 4-way design utilizing shallower filter slopes may indeed be easier in many cases.
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Re: Which is Good sounding tweeter for you, Dynaudio or Vifa ?
« Reply #20 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 08:35 AM »
When coupled with bigger SLS woofers (the 10" 830668, for example), crossing the XT25s at 2kHz may be a better idea to minimize the audibility of cone breakup. A nice 3rd or 4th order filter would be great when crossing that low, but the tweeter is robust enough to get by with just a 2nd order filter at 2kHz (1.5kHz or so may be even doable with a 4th order design). The clincher is that it has to be a good implementation, since the crossover happens right smack in the midrange and imperfections may be very audible because of that.

While the tweeter itself could probably work with a 1kHz shallow HPF at lower volumes, the smaller radiating area of ring radiators limit maximum usable output at very low crossover points (distortion would set in early). Doing a steeper slope in the 2kHz region would likely enhance the speaker's flexibility tremendously.

Two SLS 830668 woofers paralleled in a D'Appolito configuration (flanking the tweeter) sounds like a sweet idea, if the cabinet could be tall enough to position the tweeter correctly. The two woofers would deliver about 94dB sensitivity (half space) at 2.83V, which matches almost perfectly with the XT25BG60-04. A higher order LPF may be useful to cleanup the woofer output beyond 2kHz. There shouldn't be any need for driver attenuation, if built properly. The tweeter of course would have to be in its own chamber, to minimize interaction.

The reason I thought about this is because I prefer the sound of unattenuated drivers. Most passive attenuation circuitry on drivers tend to take away some of the openness in the sound (or color it noticeably at least), and I think it's partly because of the lack of driver damping that results from its insertion into the circuit (and/or the fact that its electrical characteristics is closer to purely resistive, thus not sympathizing with the driver's impedance curve).

Active crosses are a great alternative, but it can be just as (or even more) destructive if implemented poorly (and most people are not geared for an active layout).

This 2-way config that I mentioned earlier could yield a truly full range speaker (and a unique one, in this age of mostly smaller drivers) in the right enclosure, but the success would bank largely on how well the crossover works. Of course, a 3-way or 4-way design utilizing shallower filter slopes may indeed be easier in many cases.

D'Appolito does sound like a good idea, kaya lang with 2 10" woofers the enclosure is going to be pretty big, though i'm sure it will perform equally.  8)

what do you think ivan about this woofer? it looks like a good alternative, cheaper too.  :D

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parang bagay sila with the XT25BG60-04 ( this model if i'm not mistaken has better off axis response )

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Re: Which is Good sounding tweeter for you, Dynaudio or Vifa ?
« Reply #21 on: Nov 07, 2011 at 09:58 AM »
D'Appolito does sound like a good idea, kaya lang with 2 10" woofers the enclosure is going to be pretty big, though i'm sure it will perform equally.  8)

what do you think ivan about this woofer? it looks like a good alternative, cheaper too.  :D

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parang bagay sila with the XT25BG60-04 ( this model if i'm not mistaken has better off axis response )

It looks doable, but you may have to attenuate the tweeter a bit to match with that woofer (this should be easy, if you're biamping).

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Re: Which is Good sounding tweeter for you, Dynaudio or Vifa ?
« Reply #22 on: Nov 08, 2011 at 04:35 PM »
Something to look forward to.......sana there can be a demo during the Xmas party :)



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Re: Which is Good sounding tweeter for you, Dynaudio or Vifa ?
« Reply #23 on: Nov 10, 2011 at 03:31 PM »
When coupled with bigger SLS woofers (the 10" 830668, for example), crossing the XT25s at 2kHz may be a better idea to minimize the audibility of cone breakup. A nice 3rd or 4th order filter would be great when crossing that low, but the tweeter is robust enough to get by with just a 2nd order filter at 2kHz (1.5kHz or so may be even doable with a 4th order design). The clincher is that it has to be a good implementation, since the crossover happens right smack in the midrange and imperfections may be very audible because of that.

While the tweeter itself could probably work with a 1kHz shallow HPF at lower volumes, the smaller radiating area of ring radiators limit maximum usable output at very low crossover points (distortion would set in early). Doing a steeper slope in the 2kHz region would likely enhance the speaker's flexibility tremendously.

Two SLS 830668 woofers paralleled in a D'Appolito configuration (flanking the tweeter) sounds like a sweet idea, if the cabinet could be tall enough to position the tweeter correctly. The two woofers would deliver about 94dB sensitivity (half space) at 2.83V, which matches almost perfectly with the XT25BG60-04. A higher order LPF may be useful to cleanup the woofer output beyond 2kHz. There shouldn't be any need for driver attenuation, if built properly. The tweeter of course would have to be in its own chamber, to minimize interaction.

The reason I thought about this is because I prefer the sound of unattenuated drivers. Most passive attenuation circuitry on drivers tend to take away some of the openness in the sound (or color it noticeably at least), and I think it's partly because of the lack of driver damping that results from its insertion into the circuit (and/or the fact that its electrical characteristics is closer to purely resistive, thus not sympathizing with the driver's impedance curve).

Active crosses are a great alternative, but it can be just as (or even more) destructive if implemented poorly (and most people are not geared for an active layout).

This 2-way config that I mentioned earlier could yield a truly full range speaker (and a unique one, in this age of mostly smaller drivers) in the right enclosure, but the success would bank largely on how well the crossover works. Of course, a 3-way or 4-way design utilizing shallower filter slopes may indeed be easier in many cases.

D'Appolito does sound like a good idea, kaya lang with 2 10" woofers the enclosure is going to be pretty big, though i'm sure it will perform equally.  8)

what do you think ivan about this woofer? it looks like a good alternative, cheaper too.  :D

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parang bagay sila with the XT25BG60-04 ( this model if i'm not mistaken has better off axis response )

Magandang project ito. Count me in if your planning to explore the possibilities. I'm also planning to make a new set of speakers for my stereo. I plan to build the woofer enclosure inside a cabinet para nakatago.  :D

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Re: Which is Good sounding tweeter for you, Dynaudio or Vifa ?
« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2012 at 09:32 AM »
Mga sir meron po bang local distributor ng Vifa XT25BG60-04?

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Re: Which is Good sounding tweeter for you, Dynaudio or Vifa ?
« Reply #25 on: Aug 13, 2012 at 02:21 AM »
Mga sir, ask ko lang po if bagay yung Dual rings sa woofer na to:



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Specifications: • Power handling: 60 watts RMS/90 watts max • VCdia: 1" • Le: 0.35 mH • Impedance: 8 ohms • Re: 7.0 ohms • Frequency range: 35-7,000 Hz • Fs: 35 Hz • SPL: 90.0 dB 1W/1m • Vas: 1.38 cu. ft. • Qms: 3.02 • Qes: 0.33 • Qts: 0.29 • Xmax: 5 mm • Dimensions: Overall diameter: 5-1/2", Cutout diameter: 4-7/8", Depth: 2-5/8".


THANKS mga sir :)

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Re: Which is Good sounding tweeter for you, Dynaudio or Vifa ?
« Reply #26 on: Aug 13, 2012 at 02:26 AM »
Mga sir, ask ko lang po if bagay yung Dual rings sa woofer na to:



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Aurum Cantus midwoofers feature high-performance cone materials, long-excursion designs, and high quality construction. The AC-130MKII utilizes an extremely stiff cone made of carbon fiber and Kevlar for the maximum clarity and detail. A high compliance design allows this woofer to produce clean bass in mid-sized enclosures.

Specifications: • Power handling: 60 watts RMS/90 watts max • VCdia: 1" • Le: 0.35 mH • Impedance: 8 ohms • Re: 7.0 ohms • Frequency range: 35-7,000 Hz • Fs: 35 Hz • SPL: 90.0 dB 1W/1m • Vas: 1.38 cu. ft. • Qms: 3.02 • Qes: 0.33 • Qts: 0.29 • Xmax: 5 mm • Dimensions: Overall diameter: 5-1/2", Cutout diameter: 4-7/8", Depth: 2-5/8".


THANKS mga sir :)

Cheers :)

It's hard to tell until it's completed, but a reasonable speaker should be doable with the proper enclosure/baffle and crossover design. Having the right test equipment to refine the design afterwards would also be helpful.

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« Reply #27 on: Aug 13, 2012 at 02:34 AM »
Ohhh... I see... :)

Thanks so much sir. :)
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Re: Which is Good sounding tweeter for you, Dynaudio or Vifa ?
« Reply #28 on: Aug 13, 2012 at 08:14 AM »
For me Both Dynaudio and Vifa Tweeters are Excellent. It all depends on speakers design implementation.
Just to add the Cone tweeters have a wide dispersion while the ring type are more focus.
Now, it's all end's with our Listening preferences.....
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