Author Topic: FYI: Be wary of Media Players models introduced after Feb 2012. (Read 3651 times)

scifi-fan · « **on:** Dec 07, 2011 at 09:38 PM »

I just want to put forth this information hoping it will help the community.

We all know that content manufacturers would like nothing better than we keep buying the same releases over and over and over (How many copies of Star Wars can one own?).

We also know that as legitimate owners of content, it is also our right to legitimately back them up.

The next salvo the content manufacturers in this tug of war is coming.

It's called CINAVIA.

Cinavia is a form of protection wherein playback devices are embedded with this technology to prevent unauthorized content from being displayed.

What it is is a audio watermark that's embedded into the audio/video tracks and when a Cinavia enabled device tries to play it back it will kick in.

Users of PS3 already have begun to experience this when playing back ripped m2ts files from cinavia protected content.

I'm here to inform you that starting February 2012, SOC (System on a Chip) manufacturers intending to sell devices designed to play media files will be MANDATED to include Cinavia protection embedded on their devices. This includes Sigma, Realtek, Broadcomm, Marvell, Intel etc etc.

Hence. If you intend to continue enjoying playing back media files even those with Cinavia watermarks, make sure you get a media player that was manufactured PRIOR TO FEB 2012 or else you risk a media player that's Cinavia enabled.

I've been aware of this impending issue for some time now and unfortunately this is just NO way to remove watermarks in audio/video tracks embedded with Cinavia protection, it can be movies, tvshows from digital cable systems etc etc.

If you are unsure, make sure you do your research first before you put down money for a media player.

Remember, this applies to any model of media player introduced after Feb 2012.

vortex1 · « **Reply #1 on:** Dec 08, 2011 at 08:23 AM »

The audio is disabled during the entire movie? naku, this will be the death of the NMT industry.

Good thing i have my Blu-ray collection for back up.

Tempter · « **Reply #2 on:** Dec 08, 2011 at 09:00 AM »

There's always a way around...

mikz023 · « **Reply #3 on:** Dec 08, 2011 at 09:20 AM »

Quote from: scifi-fan on Dec 07, 2011 at 09:38 PM

I've been aware of this impending issue for some time now and unfortunately this is just NO way to remove watermarks in audio/video tracks embedded with Cinavia protection, it can be movies, tvshows from digital cable systems etc etc.

Sir, clarify ko lang po.. un mga Bluray disk is meron Cinavia protection din if it was manufactured after Feb 2012?

Clondalkin · « **Reply #4 on:** Dec 08, 2011 at 09:47 AM »

Quote from: vortex1 on Dec 08, 2011 at 08:23 AM

The audio is disabled during the entire movie? naku, this will be the death of the NMT industry.
Good thing i have my Blu-ray collection for back up.

No problem.

Just get an NMT with full BD Navigation capability NOW...hehehe...the full BD rips will just keep on coming ahead of the encodes for sure.

number1 · « **Reply #5 on:** Dec 08, 2011 at 11:42 AM »

C300 affected?

Judging history, these protection schemes will get by passed anyway. There is always a way.

scifi-fan · « **Reply #6 on:** Dec 08, 2011 at 12:44 PM »

Quote from: number1 on Dec 08, 2011 at 11:42 AM

C300 affected?

Judging history, these protection schemes will get by passed anyway. There is always a way.

I hope you guys are right...

At the moment there's NO way to remove the watermarks in a lot of films already released (example SALT).

Watermarking has been effecting in other mediums for establishing true ownership of content (photos, videos, music). Heck I use them myself on digital images I make personally and even at work to protect it from piracy.

FYI.. C300 is not affected. I think they planned this as a loophole to allow them to not have to embed Cinavia protection in the player.

Eddie · « **Reply #7 on:** Dec 08, 2011 at 01:03 PM »

Quote from: number1 on Dec 08, 2011 at 11:42 AM

C300 affected?

Judging history, these protection schemes will get by passed anyway. There is always a way.

haha. true that.

rthirtyfourgtr · « **Reply #8 on:** Dec 08, 2011 at 01:10 PM »

sino/alin po ba ang regulating body na nag-e-enforce nito sa media player manufacturers? possible kaya na magkaroon pa rin ng media players na non-conformant?

scifi-fan · « **Reply #9 on:** Dec 08, 2011 at 01:23 PM »

Lots...

Bluray alliance
HDMI consortium
Dolby
DTS

Basically all the above control the various codecs, interfaces and security.

Chip manufacturers (Sigma, Realtek, Intel, Marvell, etc etc) will not be able to release their products without the proper licensing from the above.

In this case it's the bluray alliance who made the rule.

rthirtyfourgtr · « **Reply #10 on:** Dec 08, 2011 at 01:29 PM »

i see, sort of indirect enforcement ang magyayari. like say for example DTS being part of BDA, can refuse license to chipmakers not implementing CINAVIA

scifi-fan · « **Reply #11 on:** Dec 08, 2011 at 02:57 PM »

Correct.

mikz023 · « **Reply #12 on:** Dec 08, 2011 at 03:59 PM »

Quote from: scifi-fan on Dec 08, 2011 at 12:44 PM

I hope you guys are right...

At the moment there's NO way to remove the watermarks in a lot of films already released (example SALT).

Watermarking has been effecting in other mediums for establishing true ownership of content (photos, videos, music). Heck I use them myself on digital images I make personally and even at work to protect it from piracy.

FYI.. C300 is not affected. I think they planned this as a loophole to allow them to not have to embed Cinavia protection in the player.

Sir, how can we know if the films like BD disk have watermarks?

scifi-fan · « **Reply #13 on:** Dec 08, 2011 at 05:00 PM »

http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=41885

HD_MOVIES · « **Reply #14 on:** Dec 08, 2011 at 07:19 PM »

kaya bili na today ng a300 or prodigy..

dont wait until february 2012

marami na ring sigurong programs that can strip the CINAVIA codes during remux..

Wildfire™ · « **Reply #15 on:** Dec 08, 2011 at 07:41 PM »

does it mean 2nd hand bd's are also affected?

rthirtyfourgtr · « **Reply #16 on:** Dec 08, 2011 at 07:45 PM »

^ as i understand it, no. assuming your blu-ray player supports cinavia, it wouldn't matter as long as your disc is legit

toys4geeks · « **Reply #17 on:** Dec 08, 2011 at 07:46 PM »

Quote from: Clondalkin on Dec 08, 2011 at 09:47 AM

No problem.

Just get an NMT with full BD Navigation capability NOW...hehehe...the full BD rips will just keep on coming ahead of the encodes for sure.

+1

Wildfire™ · « **Reply #18 on:** Dec 08, 2011 at 08:10 PM »

sana limubas na ung c300

rthirtyfourgtr · « **Reply #19 on:** Dec 08, 2011 at 08:12 PM »

based on some further reading, turns out CINAVIA will only be required on players that need BDA license. this includes Blu-Ray disc players, hybrid media players (ones with Blu-Ray disc support), and also media players with Full BD navigation (for BD ISO)

i'm guessing it's possible that new media players may still be manufactured without CINAVIA implementation, as long as it doesn't feature BD ISO/Full BD Navigation. after all, a large majority of media player owners don't really keep full ISO copies

motion55 · « **Reply #20 on:** Dec 09, 2011 at 05:43 PM »

Quote from: number1 on Dec 08, 2011 at 11:42 AM

C300 affected?

Judging history, these protection schemes will get by passed anyway. There is always a way.

And if the NMT makers do not find a way, they're history.

There will always be a backdoor firmware or else it's suicide for them.

toys4geeks · « **Reply #21 on:** Dec 09, 2011 at 08:48 PM »

My take, if it's on the chip, fooling it will be very challenging for any manufacturer.

I Love keeping bdmv and Iso, for the full bd navigation that go with it.

HD_Afficionado · « **Reply #22 on:** Dec 23, 2011 at 03:34 AM »

Thank you for the advise sir Scifi-Fan. This is very informative.
Will keep this in mind.