Topic: Sub & Sat vs Floorstanders

[Ragnar]

hi Matzter,

hindi ba mas mabuti kung yung floorstanders, yun na rin ang gamitin mo sa HT and audio?  partneran mo na lang ng matching center for HT?  ang iba lang are the electronics, pero yung speakers the same.  kung mag o-audio ka, kabit mo yung floorstanders sa stereo electronics, pag HT, kabit mo yung floorstanders sa receiver?

Ty

From what I learned from master hans adriane: To have the best of both worlds, get a separate audio and HT setup.

Solution: Get a very good sat/sub system, hang it on the walls (the sats, not the sub  ). Then get  floorstanders for a separate audio setup.

I recently heard a new release Infinity speaker system, small bookshelf speakers but the sound was BIG. It sounded like floorstanders during a HT demo.

[hattori_hanzo]

hi Matzter,

hindi ba mas mabuti kung yung floorstanders, yun na rin ang gamitin mo sa HT and audio?  partneran mo na lang ng matching center for HT?  ang iba lang are the electronics, pero yung speakers the same.  kung mag o-audio ka, kabit mo yung floorstanders sa stereo electronics, pag HT, kabit mo yung floorstanders sa receiver?

Ty

good thinkin! meron namn nabibiling speaker box switches diba? menos pa sa multiple speakers purchase...

[MAtZTER]

hindi ba mas mabuti kung yung floorstanders, yun na rin ang gamitin mo sa HT and audio?  partneran mo na lang ng matching center for HT? 

Yep, thats what I am doing now, floorstanders (entry level) with matching center. But I prefer not to keep switching wires & plugs at the back of the setup.

For a 'best of both worlds' setup, I meant having a separate tube audio setup (at least for my taste) from the HT setup, with better audiophile floorstanders, which usually dont have center speakers. This way:

1.) You could upgrade/sell your floorstanders easily without being concerned with selling the center speaker.
2.) you can splurge on a more expensive floorstander without being concerned with another expensive center speaker (or surrounds).
3.) No more tedious switching of setups
4.) You could retain the 5.1 sat(or bookshelf)/sub speaker for HT, which IMO, may be good enough for a small HT room like mine. I also realized after a year of HT that you dont need super kick a$$ speakers for HT, but for audio...whew! ibang usapan na yan...
5.) A tube guru also told me that speaker switching boxes, etc. is not recommended with tube gears cuz it might damage the tube amps when no speakers are connected to the tube amps when its turned on.

 And speaker switching boxes, as of what I know can do 1 source=>speaker A or B or A+B. I do not know if there is a speaker switching box that does 2 sources=> 1 speaker  I dont think I would risk this too, if the internal circuitry is faulty you will risk shorting both your amps.

But dont take my recommendations seriously, its just a theory I formed and will hope to do for myself someday, once I get enough funds. I just think it might be a practical way to go for my budget. This idea is inspired from our fellow pinoydvd member New Age's setup.

just my 2 cents bros.

[john5479]

another thing to consider is the different placements of speakers for audio and ht.

It is ideal that you have an all in one setup but you really have to spend a lot.

[av_phile1]

 And speaker switching boxes, as of what I know can do 1 source=>speaker A or B or A+B. I do not know if there is a speaker switching box that does 2 sources=> 1 speaker  I dont think I would risk this too, if the internal circuitry is faulty you will risk shorting both your amps.

Any well made speaker switching box will do.  Just reverse the connection.   The speaker choices will be your different amps. And the lone amp terminal will be your speaker connection.  The internal circuity is essentially passive.  Except switchers using DC-powered vacuum electro-mechanical or micro-relays which have better contacts. 

[MAtZTER]

Any well made speaker switching box will do.  Just reverse the connection.   The speaker choices will be your different amps. And the lone amp terminal will be your speaker connection.  The internal circuity is essentially passive.  Except switchers using DC-powered vacuum electro-mechanical or micro-relays which have better contacts. 

But what if you turn on both speaker A +B (source A+B) in this manner, wouldnt that cause your 2 amps to short circuit?

[H a n $]

Sir Matzter,

Musta project mo tuloy ba??

[hattori_hanzo]

Yep, thats what I am doing now, floorstanders (entry level) with matching center. But I prefer not to keep switching wires & plugs at the back of the setup.

For a 'best of both worlds' setup, I meant having a separate tube audio setup (at least for my taste) from the HT setup, with better audiophile floorstanders, which usually dont have center speakers. This way:

1.) You could upgrade/sell your floorstanders easily without being concerned with selling the center speaker.
2.) you can splurge on a more expensive floorstander without being concerned with another expensive center speaker (or surrounds).
3.) No more tedious switching of setups
4.) You could retain the 5.1 sat(or bookshelf)/sub speaker for HT, which IMO, may be good enough for a small HT room like mine. I also realized after a year of HT that you dont need super kick a$$ speakers for HT, but for audio...whew! ibang usapan na yan...
5.) A tube guru also told me that speaker switching boxes, etc. is not recommended with tube gears cuz it might damage the tube amps when no speakers are connected to the tube amps when its turned on.

 And speaker switching boxes, as of what I know can do 1 source=>speaker A or B or A+B. I do not know if there is a speaker switching box that does 2 sources=> 1 speaker  I dont think I would risk this too, if the internal circuitry is faulty you will risk shorting both your amps.

But dont take my recommendations seriously, its just a theory I formed and will hope to do for myself someday, once I get enough funds. I just think it might be a practical way to go for my budget. This idea is inspired from our fellow pinoydvd member New Age's setup.

just my 2 cents bros.

Sir question lang diba sa showroom particularly Dai-ichi megamall, naka speaker switching box sila, kaya hindi na nahihirapan mag hook up yung sales person pag may nag auaudition, same with their showroom in raon. I believe yung ibang showrooms din with other brands also practice this, hindi ba nakakasira ng gears yun? dahil mas prone sila sa sinasabi mong damage dahil sa dami ng nag auaudition sa kanila?

Saka if nakakadiminish naman ng quality output yung speaker switching box nila, diba dapat nagpapaimpress nga sila sa buyer kaya the best hook-ups ang ginagawa nila sa mga gears nila?   

[john5479]

On the flipside visiting particular audio shops like listening in style, avdriver, upscale audio, hyperaudio's shop....they don't use speaker switching boxes

[av_phile1]

But what if you turn on both speaker A +B (source A+B) in this manner, wouldnt that cause your 2 amps to short circuit?

The effect would be a bridging of the two amps.  Not adviseable for most amps not designed for bridging.    But so far the speaker switch boxes I've seen and used in the past do not allow A + B.  If the type you consider has this, just be careful not to engage it.

[hattori_hanzo]

sir question if I use a power amp to power my existing AVR hindi ba misisira yung AVR ko kahit walang naka hookup na speakers?

its like this...

my AVR has pre-outs so I connected it with a power amp. so basicaly yung speakers ko naka connect sa power amp. parang yung AVR acts as a pre amp nalang. kahit ba walang speakers nakakabit sa AVR hindi ba masisira yung amp section ng AVR? 

[MAtZTER]

Sir Matzter,

Musta project mo tuloy ba??

Alin  ? Tuloy na yung tube pre amp. Hybrid muna, kulang sa funds eh  .

Sir question lang diba sa showroom particularly Dai-ichi megamall, naka speaker switching box sila

If you are using generic wires, maybe this is ok.

But I use branded cables in bi amp configuration (2 cables/speaker), so I dont think speaker switching is viable for me.  But thanks for your suggestion though. I am sure the speaker switch box would be of help to other people's config. 

[Ragnar]

thank you for your response matzter.

i guess kanya kanya lang talaga. i think better kung maganda ang speakers mo for both HT and audio.  yung gagastusin mo sa HT small speakers, gamitin mo na lang sa center.  I dont mind switching between amps.  Basta may banana plugs, ok na din

Sabi nga nila, to each his own.

Maraming salamat

Yep, thats what I am doing now, floorstanders (entry level) with matching center. But I prefer not to keep switching wires & plugs at the back of the setup.

For a 'best of both worlds' setup, I meant having a separate tube audio setup (at least for my taste) from the HT setup, with better audiophile floorstanders, which usually dont have center speakers. This way:

1.) You could upgrade/sell your floorstanders easily without being concerned with selling the center speaker.
2.) you can splurge on a more expensive floorstander without being concerned with another expensive center speaker (or surrounds).
3.) No more tedious switching of setups
4.) You could retain the 5.1 sat(or bookshelf)/sub speaker for HT, which IMO, may be good enough for a small HT room like mine. I also realized after a year of HT that you dont need super kick a$$ speakers for HT, but for audio...whew! ibang usapan na yan...
5.) A tube guru also told me that speaker switching boxes, etc. is not recommended with tube gears cuz it might damage the tube amps when no speakers are connected to the tube amps when its turned on.

 And speaker switching boxes, as of what I know can do 1 source=>speaker A or B or A+B. I do not know if there is a speaker switching box that does 2 sources=> 1 speaker  I dont think I would risk this too, if the internal circuitry is faulty you will risk shorting both your amps.

But dont take my recommendations seriously, its just a theory I formed and will hope to do for myself someday, once I get enough funds. I just think it might be a practical way to go for my budget. This idea is inspired from our fellow pinoydvd member New Age's setup.

just my 2 cents bros.