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Re:AMX Integrated Tube Amp
« Reply #240 on: Feb 11, 2004 at 01:47 PM »
pwedeng pwede iaudition sir,  try nyo with the alon acustics speakers on display sa phasetron  :) andrew sevilla is open for customizing minsan nga he'll give you options para makatipid.  8)

ahhhh.... the alon IV speakers.  ang sarap sa tenga n'yan, sir!  fyi, that speaker has a sensitivity of 87db only.  pero pakinggan, n'yo...

sorry.  medyo OT ulit.   :)
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Re:AMX Integrated Tube Amp
« Reply #241 on: Feb 11, 2004 at 02:25 PM »
pwede pa 'yun, sir.  'di mo naman sisirain, di ba? heheheh.  ;D

nyeks!? ;D heheh basta sila magkabit... sir alam niyo ba specs nung KT88 PP?  alin ba mas mura, apat na EL34 o dalawang KT88?  ano ba mas maganda tumunog na circuit for multiple tubes, parallel class A o push-pull?

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Re:AMX Integrated Tube Amp
« Reply #242 on: Feb 11, 2004 at 04:40 PM »
ano ba mas maganda tumunog na circuit for multiple tubes, parallel class A o push-pull?
to me, nothing beats a single tube in single-ended mode.

multiple tube designs are a compromise for lower sensitivity speakers, and that's why we have parallel single-ended and push-pull.

here's my take on the matter:

push pull design splits the signal out-of-phase (negative and positive) and reconstructs them (reassemble). tubes must be matched pair and must be kept if sharing the same bias, hence individual adjustable bias to compensate for tube drifting. purists and KISS people do not like this splitting/reconstruction phase and avoids such designs.

single-ended triodes, albeit their lower power, keeps the signal intact.

some groups subscribe to the idea above, and use parallel output triodes, to achieve higher (double) power, reason why some people prefer PSE designs over PP. with the transconductance doubled, and plate resistance halved, it may sound sonically superior over PP. however, there is a general theory that parallel designs don't sound as clean and pure as single-output tube designs, because the final output is influenced by the characteristics of each of the output tubes and coined a term called "muddying up the signal." again this is debatable, urband legend or not, as PSE designs are used by even high-end amplifiers such as the Kondo Neiro which uses 2A3s in PSE configuration.

paralleled tubes must be matched properly to avoid "muddying up."

to confuse you more, there are parallel single-ended push-pull designs. with so many tubes, keeping them matched over time will be terribly difficult.

sometimes, we are greatly influenced by "power" rather than tonal balance, clarity and detail. sometimes, we want bass, overpowering at times, and we like that at the expense of balance, naturalness of the music.

in the end, only you can decide, regardless of the topology, what you will buy. topology can be thrown out the window.
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Re:AMX Integrated Tube Amp
« Reply #243 on: Feb 11, 2004 at 05:40 PM »
sir alam niyo ba specs nung KT88 PP?  alin ba mas mura, apat na EL34 o dalawang KT88?

hmmm...  

siguro mga 3x ng cost ng EL-34 'yung KT-88.   so, kung 1 PHP each ang EL-34 at 3 PhP each ang KT-88 then...   4 pcs of EL-34 at 4 PhP will cost less than 2 pcs of KT-88 at 6 PhP.

that is, kung tama ang assumptions ko...   ::)  

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Re:AMX Integrated Tube Amp
« Reply #244 on: Feb 11, 2004 at 07:20 PM »
« Last Edit: Feb 11, 2004 at 07:21 PM by nels76 »
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Re:AMX Integrated Tube Amp
« Reply #245 on: Feb 12, 2004 at 11:43 AM »
arnoldc, geko, nels76... thanks for all the useful info!

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Re:AMX Integrated Tube Amp
« Reply #246 on: Feb 13, 2004 at 01:47 AM »
kuya hans,

congrats sa new toy mo.... ganda na, galing pa tumunog... all around sya, pwede sa kahit anong type of music na gusto ko...  ;D ;D ;D tapos pwede pa sa movies... ;D ;D ;D definitely value for money... ;D ;D ;D swerte at naka-best buy ka... ;D

na-enjoy ko yung pakikinig sa tubo ah.... ;D

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Re:AMX Integrated Tube Amp
« Reply #247 on: Feb 13, 2004 at 08:40 AM »
kuya hans,

congrats sa new toy mo.... ganda na, galing pa tumunog... all around sya, pwede sa kahit anong type of music na gusto ko...  ;D ;D ;D tapos pwede pa sa movies... ;D ;D ;D definitely value for money... ;D ;D ;D swerte at naka-best buy ka... ;D

na-enjoy ko yung pakikinig sa tubo ah.... ;D

OO nag e pati denon cd player niririmote mo e kahit walang remote ;D ;D at halos kaw na nagoperate kc yong host natin e medyo nadalana ata baka magmagshort ;D ;D

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Re:AMX Integrated Tube Amp
« Reply #248 on: Feb 13, 2004 at 09:05 AM »
J_albert,

Got news that sir James will bring home the Denon CDP hehehe.

James,

Pre baka naman gamitan mo ng remote yun Denon..

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Re:AMX Integrated Tube Amp
« Reply #249 on: Feb 13, 2004 at 09:12 AM »
James,

Thanks sir at nagustuhan mo yun tube amp ko hehe.. was also surprises with the sound..and


Arnoldc

Your right sir, in the end regardless of the topology, sound is atmost importance. :)
« Last Edit: Feb 13, 2004 at 09:13 AM by Hans & France »

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Re:AMX Integrated Tube Amp
« Reply #250 on: Feb 13, 2004 at 11:31 AM »
 :)Sir Hans, anong model ng tube amp mo? is it integrated or do you still need a preamp to make it sing well. and how much? Thanks.
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Re:AMX Integrated Tube Amp
« Reply #251 on: Feb 13, 2004 at 11:33 AM »
Mga sir. yun bang kt-88 integrated na ba or kailangan pa ng preamp?....how much po ba ito?....thanks
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Re:AMX Integrated Tube Amp
« Reply #252 on: Feb 13, 2004 at 11:47 AM »
lance, what i do know is this is already an integrated amp. :)  try to audition first with your speakers ;D

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Re:AMX Integrated Tube Amp
« Reply #253 on: Feb 13, 2004 at 12:07 PM »
puntahan ko nga ngayon... sayang wala akong dalang CD's... balitaan ko kayo.

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Re:AMX Integrated Tube Amp
« Reply #254 on: Feb 13, 2004 at 12:12 PM »
lance, what i do know is this is already an integrated amp. :)  try to audition first with your speakers ;D

i stand corrected, integrated amp pala. ;D ;D.

lance, you won't be needing a preamp for this. tipid ka na. ;D ;D ;D

akyat, way to go!!!!! bili na! o di kaya pagawa ka na ng monoblocks ;D

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Re:AMX Integrated Tube Amp
« Reply #255 on: Feb 13, 2004 at 01:04 PM »
Thanks for the input bro, BTW, how much is the tube of this kt-88, they say approximately 1 year lang daw ang itatagal ng tube. di ba mahirap makabili nito? and if ever san naman nakakabili nito? (tube of kt-88) thanks
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Re:AMX Integrated Tube Amp
« Reply #256 on: Feb 13, 2004 at 01:54 PM »
eto na eto na.... kagagaling ko lang doon.

here's what's displayed:
- tube preamp with a 3rd tube (rectifier??) - 7.5k
- 2A3 SE amp 4wpc - 16.5k
- 2A3 PP amp 10wpc - 26k
- KT88 PP amp 50wpc - 25k

i checked the tube prices:
- EL34 - 1.2k
- russian KT88 - 3k

there are 3 kinds of chassis:
- chromed body with black front plate
- chromed body with silver & fiberglass front plate
- black body with silver chromed front plate

due to time constraints, i was able to test only the KT88 PP driving the giant Alon speakers... ganda ng tunog, its very detailed and sweet, much better than the KT88 SE but that may be bcoz the SE version's 12wpc wasn't able to match the Coral speaker... there are 2 KT88 amps on display, the one i tested had a layout similar to hans' amp -- had 4 driver tubes, 1 big Elna cerafine cap and 2 chokes... the other one had 3 driver tubes and layout was like the TB2A3.

i'm going back this weekend to take some pictures.
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Re:AMX Integrated Tube Amp
« Reply #257 on: Feb 13, 2004 at 02:00 PM »
eto na eto na.... kagagaling ko lang doon.

here's what's displayed:
- tube preamp with a 3rd tube (rectifier??) - 7.5k
- 2A3 SE amp 4wpc - 16.5k
- 2A3 PP amp 10wpc - 26k
- KT88 PP amp 50wpc - 25k

i checked the tube prices:
- EL34 - 1.2k
- russian KT88 - 3k

there are 3 kinds of chassis:
- chromed body with black front plate
- chromed body with silver & fiberglass front plate
- black body with silver chromed front plate

due to time constraints, i was able to test only the KT88 PP driving the giant Alon speakers... ganda ng tunog, its very detailed and sweet, much better than the KT88 SE but that may be bcoz the SE version's 12wpc wasn't able to match the Coral speaker... there are 2 KT88 amps on display, the one i tested had a layout similar to hans' amp -- had 4 driver tubes, 1 big Elna cerafine cap and 2 chokes... the other one had 3 driver tubes and layout was like the TB2A3.

i'm going back this weekend to take some pictures.


sir akyat what brands are the el34? NOS?
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Re:AMX Integrated Tube Amp
« Reply #258 on: Feb 13, 2004 at 02:03 PM »
sir akyat what brands are the el34? NOS?

bro, i didn't have time to check eh, was on my way out when i browsed thru the display... nakita ko lang yung KT88's were svetlana made in russia.

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Re:AMX Integrated Tube Amp
« Reply #259 on: Feb 13, 2004 at 02:07 PM »
eto na eto na.... kagagaling ko lang doon.

here's what's displayed:

- 2A3 SE amp 4wpc - 16.5k


4 wpc? overstated i guess because all the 2a3 i've seen or atleast have known in the internet are 3 to 3.5 wpc. Some of them are even equipped with tango or tamura OPTs.

there are 3 kinds of chassis:
- chromed body with black front plate
- chromed body with silver & fiberglass front plate
- black body with silver chromed front plate

nice designs to choose from! ;D
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Re:AMX Integrated Tube Amp
« Reply #260 on: Feb 13, 2004 at 02:39 PM »
 :(kala ko may integrated amp na less than 15k.
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Re:AMX Integrated Tube Amp
« Reply #261 on: Feb 13, 2004 at 02:42 PM »
oops.. there is, i almost forgot... there's also a KT88 SE amp that's priced at 9k... dunno the specs but it could be similar to the older but flashier KT88 SE with claimed spec at 12wpc... the one on display now has a much simpler look... the old KT88 priced at 12k had a nice & sexy wood chassis with aluminum & gold plate.
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Re:AMX Integrated Tube Amp
« Reply #262 on: Feb 13, 2004 at 03:01 PM »
oops.. there is, i almost forgot... there's also a KT88 SE amp that's priced at 9k... dunno the specs but it could be similar to the older but flashier KT88 SE with claimed spec at 12wpc... the one on display now has a much simpler look... the old KT88 priced at 12k had a nice & sexy wood chassis with aluminum & gold plate.

bro, is it integrated amp? na audition mo na ba ito dati? thanks
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Re:AMX Integrated Tube Amp
« Reply #263 on: Feb 13, 2004 at 05:32 PM »
bro, is it integrated amp? na audition mo na ba ito dati? thanks

can't remember bro.. it might be, coz all of them seem to have a volume pot.. anyway its not too big a deal if its not technically an integrated amp coz you could always ask them to add a volume pot or selectable inputs.. di ko pa ito na-audition bro.
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Re:AMX Integrated Tube Amp
« Reply #264 on: Feb 13, 2004 at 05:35 PM »
Mga sir. yun bang kt-88 integrated na ba or kailangan pa ng preamp?....how much po ba ito?....thanks


the 2a3 & kt88 amps are all integrated amps.  fyi.
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Re:AMX Integrated Tube Amp
« Reply #265 on: Feb 14, 2004 at 01:05 PM »
Lance,

Yun unang models yun below 15k pero pwede ka naman magpagawa sa gusto mong spec sir.. yun amx tube amp ko is EL34 integrated so no more preamp needed.. got it from Sir John

Kimpao,

EL34 is Svetlana made in russia. sir..

Akyat,

Pa-customize na sir ng monoblock.. chrome body da best hehee

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Re:AMX Integrated Tube Amp
« Reply #266 on: Feb 14, 2004 at 02:49 PM »
dadaan ako mamaya sa Phasetron.  meron daw bagong dating na amp.  using 300B power tubes &  6L6 drivers daw.  hmmm...

balitaan ko kayo.   :)
 
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« Reply #267 on: Feb 14, 2004 at 03:20 PM »
Geko,

Ok yan pati price na rin. ;D ;D

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Re:AMX Integrated Tube Amp
« Reply #268 on: Feb 14, 2004 at 05:16 PM »
Sir geko,

baka pwede rin paki pm nung price at ang iyong reviews.

Kuya Hans,

palitan mo kaya ng mullards yung mga tubo ng amp mo,  ;D ;D ;D ;D. mas gaganda ang tunog. Ahehehehehe.

Sir lance,

if i were you try to extend your budget a little bit more.  the tubes will last more than a year maybe 5 yrs. If you replace them with NOS tubes mas maganda at mas durable. ;D  just a suggestion bro. :)

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Re:AMX Integrated Tube Amp
« Reply #269 on: Feb 15, 2004 at 08:35 AM »
kimpao, mullards ba gamit mong el34 sa scott mo? di ko natingnan nung listening session eh.

where'd you get 'em, and if you dont mind, for how much? mahal el34 mullards sa net eh, 75USD (used NOS) cheapest nakita ko per piece!

anyway, sabi nila sa ws svetlana el34's are good. they're a bit cheaper at rene's or mickey's (silver strings)