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« Reply #240 on: Sep 19, 2003 at 11:13 AM »


i like Rhea Santos though.. she is d only edge GMA has!! :o


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« Reply #241 on: Sep 19, 2003 at 11:24 AM »
Who do you prefer Mike Enriquez or Rey Langit  ;D

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« Reply #242 on: Sep 19, 2003 at 03:19 PM »
"Yummy!"  ;D

andyan din si candice jiron sa gma news live . so cute when she smiles.

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« Reply #243 on: Sep 19, 2003 at 03:34 PM »
Don't forget Susan Enriquez, siya lang pinanonood ko sa GMA, pero Im torn between her and Doris Bigornia of ABS-CBN.


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« Reply #244 on: Sep 20, 2003 at 11:53 AM »
Who do you prefer Mike Enriquez or Rey Langit  ;D

The Skyman of course kasi malamig yung boses niya.

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« Reply #245 on: Sep 20, 2003 at 11:55 AM »
andyan din si candice jiron sa gma news live . so cute when she smiles.

But the problem is she seldom smile (except siguro when on cam).

She was in our office once and she just sat there poker faced while waiting for his bf (I think?)

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« Reply #246 on: Sep 20, 2003 at 02:20 PM »
o ganon, di nag-smile si candice jiron ??? baka may lq sila ng bf nya. may chance pa ako! ;D sama no?

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« Reply #247 on: Oct 11, 2003 at 11:40 PM »
Medyo "Thunder" na nga ako kasi I still remember, Mike Enriquez is Baby Michael who i used to listen with Hill Billy Willy on the station DWBL on the AM band. Hindi pa uso noon yung FM (Thunder talaga!  ;D ). Then nung lumipat yung mga music format stations from AM to FM, we heard them in DWKC (formerly DWEI, formerly DZHP), the station of RMN.

Buti pa noon nung DJ siya, oki naman ang dating ng boses (malayo talaga sa mukha!)

you forgot to mention jun santiago (voice of dwll)and bernin' bernie.. their biggest competitor(s) back then dwkw 1386 (bingo  lacson,bambi fonacier, long tall howard,ricky dizon) and dzbm 774(robert w. morgan<local>, al w. lider, harry nolan <80's>). of course, dwkw transferred to 89.1 --just like dwbl transferred to 93.9 after the edsa revolution.... 94.7 dzhp became dwll.. DWEI(93.1) was known as "studio 93' in the early 80's became RX93. mike enriquez was responsible for the corny joke format of dwkc , which became such a hit that  dwls97.1 pirated him in 1989 or 1990.

those were the good ol days of listening to radio..
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« Reply #248 on: Oct 12, 2003 at 10:05 AM »

Just read the thread guys. Here’s my opinion:

GMA for the news & investigative reporting. They have the Peabody award & more New York TV awards. Plus they still have “The Probe Team”. I don’t consider local award giving bodies objective.

GMA for the comedy shows. Hands down winner to “Bubble Gang” & “Kool Ka Lang”.  Pero refreshing ang “On Air” & “The Misadventures of Maverick & Ariel” ng ABC5.

ABS definitely for the soaps. Pero di ako nanonood. Mas nakaka-aliw pa panoorin ang bangayan ng “Ang Tamang Daan” (Net 25) & “Ang Dating Daan” SBN 21  ;)

Both for Anime.  
ABS had Kenshin, Tenchi, Sakura Wars, Soul Hunters & Gate Keepers (may nakalimutan ba ako na maganda?). Lahat ng mga sikat sa AXN & Cartoon Network Toonami, kinukuha nila. Nakakainis lang nilagay nila sa afternoon slot at tinagalog ang “Evangelion”. Di kasi pambata ito eh.
GMA had Escaflowne, Gundam, Trigun, Bubblegum Crisis, Yuyu Hakusho & Slam Dunk. Plus they had the Mecha Fever in Voltes V, Daimos, Mazinger Z, UFO Grendaizer & Mekanda Robot. They even showed “Ghost in the Shell” dubbed in tagalog. Nakakainins lang tinagalog nila ang Ranma.  I just wish these two networks would feature “Non-Fantasy-Sci-Fi” anime.

Both for the Showbiz News. Two different views will definitely help people judge "the hot issue of the day" more objectively.

Peace.  ;D

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« Reply #249 on: Oct 12, 2003 at 10:15 AM »

My take lang on the Sky Cable-GMA issue:

GMA won the case. I think Sky still is’nt following the court order. Hmmmmmm.  ???

Sky could remove any channel in their line-up because they have the power to do so. But is’nt it wiser to let the subscriber decide what “free channel” they would watch? The subscriber could easily delete any channel from the memory of his or her TV, right?

Peace.  ;D

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« Reply #250 on: Oct 12, 2003 at 10:35 AM »

With regards to turning ABS CBN workers into talents, I think this happened partly because they lost a number of labor cases, specifically in the nature of illegal dismissal. Di nga lang publicized kasi mga maliliit na tao ang na-tanggal.  Di gaya ng pag-alis ni Mel & Jay, by which ABS also lost the case.  

In addition, ABS also lost the case with regards to their illegal recruitment of Luchi Cruz Valdes from GMA. They took Ms. Valdes considering that she still has a live contract with GMA (I think “pirated” is the proper word for this). This is not the first time they pirated a GMA talent.

GMA naman seems to be taking the "hand-me-downs" of ABS gratefully. The only positive thing going for GMA with this action is that, they are not getting sued due to the expiration or non-renewal of the contracts of these "hand-me-downs". (Ang sama ng term na ginamit ko ano?) :P

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« Reply #251 on: Oct 12, 2003 at 03:27 PM »
meanwhile, according to the pmpc star awards, abs-cbn ang the best this--or is it  last--year. 30 out of 46 awards if you had the patience to sit throught the boring, long-winded awardzzzzzz. but as someone here mentioned, local awrd-giving bodies are indeed suspect, especially since once might perceive the numerous victories a reward to that station for re-joining the awards after years of boycotting the event because they always lost out to gma. i couldn't believe asap could win over sop when its main hosts aren't even singers. and claudine bagging best variety show host...please. willie revillame is best public service host. what's hilarious is that we even have awards for best male and female newsreaders--won by julius babao and korina. yabang pa naman ng speech ni korina. yes , this woman is the paragon of journalism. emulate her lack of objectivity. :P
my personal peeve is in the best comedy actor category. vic sotto won over michael v and ogie, but jon sntos or anyone from ispup wasn't even nominated.
to stay on topic, i used to believe gma was better because they had te best public affairs line up and evening news was just news. now, it seems they're outdoin each other in dumbing us down.

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« Reply #252 on: Oct 13, 2003 at 04:34 PM »
to stay on topic, i used to believe gma was better because they had te best public affairs line up and evening news was just news. now, it seems they're outdoin each other in dumbing us down.

All in pursuit of the mighty ratings that sadly translates to advert pesoses :( :(

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« Reply #253 on: Oct 13, 2003 at 04:48 PM »
GMA's News and Public affairs department just lost its credibility when they censored Probe Teams expose.  

The Probe Team was the one who gave GMA's News and Public Affairs credibility, ironically The Probe Team was not even part of GMA News Department it is a block timer.

With an anchor like Mike Enriquez and Arnold Clavio who would say GMA News department is credible?
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« Reply #254 on: Oct 13, 2003 at 05:04 PM »
GMA's News and Public affairs department just lost its credibility when they censored Probe Teams expose.  

The Probe Team was the one who gave GMA's News and Public Affairs credibility, ironically The Probe Team was not even part of GMA News Department it is a block timer.

With an anchor like Mike Enriquez and Arnold Clavio who would say GMA News department is credible?

I second the motion. Recently, ABS-CBN program "Assignment" exposed Ang Dating Daan wrongdoings to its members thru the confessions of their former members. Just days after,  GMA's Imbestigador also features the same, this time interviewing Ang Dating Daan leader Eli Soriano when he vehemently refused to be interviewed by the Assignment.
Malakas ba si Soriano sa GMA since he's closely related to Kaka (Daniel Razon of Unang Hirit) and Manolo Favis ;D

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« Reply #255 on: Oct 13, 2003 at 05:06 PM »
If the Cojuanco buyin into channel 5 will push thru, Cheche and company will be most welcome there!

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« Reply #256 on: Oct 14, 2003 at 03:15 PM »
GMA's News and Public affairs department just lost its credibility when they censored Probe Teams expose.  

The Probe Team was the one who gave GMA's News and Public Affairs credibility, ironically The Probe Team was not even part of GMA News Department it is a block timer.

With an anchor like Mike Enriquez and Arnold Clavio who would say GMA News department is credible?

I read an article regarding this and Mr. Gozon answered that the Probe Team was using the financial statements circa middle to late 1990s in developing their conclusions. If this is true, it would be really unfair to judge a person or an organization using an un-updated document. Ask any accountant.

Mr. Gozon said  that the censored episode was shown at a much later date daw with additional interviews & updated documents. i don't know when nga lang if it was really shown.  let's ask the probe team website. :P

Anyway, i think both news organizations have their share of biased news anchors. Just read Nestro Torre's column at the Inquirer once in a while.

ABS has Korina, Ted & Noli de Castro. I remember how MGB reported on Los Banos quarrying issue late 1990s. The mayor of Los Banos was so hurt because the interview was edited to suit to their need of sensationalism. (I know the son's mayor & he was present during his father's interview with Noli)

This is the danger of news reporting for all media organizations. The watchers & readers of the news really don't know what parts of their interviews were edited & deleted because these are compromised with advertising time & space.  

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« Reply #257 on: Oct 14, 2003 at 03:22 PM »

GMA Network says it will
keep 'Probe Team' show
Posted: 0:59 AM (Manila Time) | Sept. 30, 2003
By Alcuin Papa and Margie Quimpo-Espino
Inquirer News Service

ABS-CBN interested

THE "Probe Team" television magazine show goes on at GMA Network.

This was the response of the television and radio giant to reports that rival ABS-CBN Broadcasting Corp. was interested in the award-winning program.

 
GMA Network issued the statement after indicating it wanted to ax the show after 16 years over an episode featuring a lifestyle check on Efraim Genuino, chairperson of government casino operator Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corp. (Pagcor).

GMA Network president Felipe Gozon said the show could be canceled only when the two parties "have a date to do so."

The Probe Team is a co-production of GMA Network and the group of the program's producer, Che Che Lazaro. The contract between GMA Network and Lazaro's group is scheduled to end in January.

"A co-production agreement with two groups is like a partnership," Gozon said. "It is based on mutual trust and confidence. When the standards are different, this will affect the image of the two and it is no longer advisable or desirable to continue."

Lazaro flew out of the country a few hours after GMA Network vice president Marissa Flores met with her at Lazaro's home Friday night.

Flores and GMA Network project unit manager Ricky Escudero asked Lazaro at the meeting when she would air the last episode of the show.

GMA Network corporate communications head Butch Raquel said Monday that nothing had been finalized. "We can't speculate on that (transfer to ABS-CBN) if it's still with us," he said.

Raquel indicated that as of now the situation could go either way. "For all we know," he said, GMA Network's axing the show "might never happen."

Talk was rife that GMA Network would drop "The Probe Team" because of the controversy that surrounded the cancellation of the episode on Genuino on Sept. 16.

The network management held off the airing of the episode until Lazaro's group could come up with more documents to support its conclusion that Genuino owned shares in several corporations that he did not declare in his statements of assets and liabilities for February 2001, December 2001 and December 2002.

The day after the management held off the show, The Probe Team went to the University of the Philippines' College of Mass Communication and aired the controversial episode. Lazaro, whose husband, Delfin, is a cousin of Gozon, cried censorship.

GMA Network aired the show last Tuesday with some changes. "We wanted them to put in more supporting data so their conclusion can stand," Gozon said. "Is that censorship?"

"We have the power to destroy a person's reputation," he said. "We can make the reputation of a person very good or very bad. Before you destroy a reputation, you should have basis. We would rather err in good faith. At least we tried."

"The objective is to have a balanced and responsible delivery of news," Gozon added.

Gozon, a lawyer, said what he wanted was simply for The Probe Team to check on updated documents of the companies linked to Genuino. He noted that many corporations were not efficient in regularly submitting amended articles of incorporation. The data the Lazaro group got were documents dated in the early 1980s.

'Why not?'

Over at ABS-CBN Corp., its two top executives gave differing views on whether to get "The Probe Team" if GMA Network would let go of the award-winning show.

"Why not?" ABS-CBN president and chief operating officer Federico Garcia said at a lunch for business journalists Monday. "They started with us."

 
Garcia said ABS-CBN had asked Lazaro to be its news director.

ABS-CBN chairperson and chief executive officer Eugenio Lopez III sounded more noncommittal, citing his network's practice of not co-producing shows.

"All our news are internal," Lopez said. "We don't co-produce."

"All our slots are full," he added.

When asked if ABS-CBN would hire the Genuino episode's producer, Bernadette Sembrano, if she would quit GMA Network, Lopez said it might not be a good idea. "It is demoralizing to always get talents from the outside," he said. "It does not work."

ABS-CBN in the past pirated several talents of GMA Network, such as Luchi Cruz-Valdes, DJ Santa Ana and Karen Davila.

Gozon said the pulling out of Sembrano from anchoring GMA Network's "Saksi" newscast was due to the attitude she displayed on TV.

When the announcement came that the controversial Genuino episode was going to be aired, the camera panned to Sembrano who was looking very angry and upset. She walked out of the set.

"Sembrano is not with 'The Probe Team,' she is with us [GMA Network]," Gozon said. "She should not cross her professional obligation between the two."

Editor's note: GMA Network is a parent of INQ7.net

erratum ko sa last post: 1980s pa pala ang data na ginamit, di 1990s. sorry.


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« Reply #258 on: Oct 14, 2003 at 03:31 PM »
I read an article regarding this and Mr. Gozon answered that the Probe Team was using the financial statements circa middle to late 1990s in developing their conclusions. If this is true, it would be really unfair to judge a person or an organization using an un-updated document. Ask any accountant.

Mr. Gozon said  that the censored episode was shown at a much later date daw with additional interviews & updated documents. i don't know when nga lang if it was really shown.  let's ask the probe team website. :P

Anyway, i think both news organizations have their share of biased news anchors. Just read Nestro Torre's column at the Inquirer once in a while.

ABS has Korina, Ted & Noli de Castro. I remember how MGB reported on Los Banos quarrying issue late 1990s. The mayor of Los Banos was so hurt because the interview was edited to suit to their need of sensationalism. (I know the son's mayor & he was present during his father's interview with Noli)

This is the danger of news reporting for all media organizations. The watchers & readers of the news really don't know what parts of their interviews were edited & deleted because these are compromised with advertising time & space.  


    Nabasa ko rin yung explanation ni Mr. Gozum and I don't buy that, it's pure damage control on their part.  Gagawin pa nilang incompetent at tanga si Cheche Lazaro and the Probe Productions.

    The funny thing is, why make that issue different among the hundreds of issue they already featured?  Why did GMA's management applied a different set of standard regarding that specific subject when they (GMA's News department and their Bias anchors like Mr. Enriquez) practice sensational and unbalance reportage all the time specially when it involves their competition and the Lopezes?  Was it not GMA's News department who publicized Adore Mawanay it is Arnold Calvio who cuddled this faker and gave him hours of air time in his radio show bakit hindi siya sinabihan when Adore was demolishing the reputation of Ping, Loren and Noli?  Is it because these 3 are potential political rival unlike the official featured in the Probe Team na na sa side ni GMA?  Where is that standard then?

   Sana naman wag tangahin ng GMA tayo if I would to choose who is right in this issue I would believe Cheche Lazaro not GMA who have always been bias on it's reporting.

    Of course this is just my humble opinion.  ;D
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« Reply #259 on: Oct 14, 2003 at 03:39 PM »


    Pahabol lang, they did allow that episode to be shown but before they showed it Arnold Clavio read a disclaimer in effect saying that the said feature was not credible and unsubstantiated.  This cause his co anchor in Saksi to walk-out on air.  Bernadette Sebrano walk-out because she is a part of the Probe Team and she was the one who made that feature report.

    Eh di para nga namang sinampal mo on-air yung reporter.  It's no different in saying that Bernadette your a bias and unethical jornalist in front of national TV.

 ;D

    The same subject was aired on ABS-CBN and it really will make you think about the officials honesty.  Besides they are goverment officials di ba dapat they are transparent anough and ready for this kind of scrutiny that is the price of public service kaya di ko bibilihin palusot ng GMA.

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« Reply #260 on: Oct 14, 2003 at 04:46 PM »


    Pahabol lang, they did allow that episode to be shown but before they showed it Arnold Clavio read a disclaimer in effect saying that the said feature was not credible and unsubstantiated.  This cause his co anchor in Saksi to walk-out on air.  Bernadette Sebrano walk-out because she is a part of the Probe Team and she was the one who made that feature report.

    Eh di para nga namang sinampal mo on-air yung reporter.  It's no different in saying that Bernadette your a bias and unethical jornalist in front of national TV.

 ;D

    The same subject was aired on ABS-CBN and it really will make you think about the officials honesty.  Besides they are goverment officials di ba dapat they are transparent anough and ready for this kind of scrutiny that is the price of public service kaya di ko bibilihin palusot ng GMA.
If I were Bernadette Sembrano, baka di lang ganun ang naging reaction ko... talagang sampal sa mukha para sa isang reporter/journalist ung ginawang 'palusot' ng GMA....

In my own opinion, kung di pa siguro pinalabas ito sa UP, malamang di na ito naipalabas sa Probe Team. Someone in the high ups, like Malacanang, probably have something to do with the 'censorship' of this Genuino topic.  I watched the whole show, and it really revealed a lot about the link between Genuino and the First Gentleman. And of course the real kurakot in Mr. Genuino...

So for the GMA's News and Public affairs department, I really think they lost their credibility on this one...

Of course this is also my own humble opinion  ;D
shuffle up and deal!

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« Reply #261 on: Oct 14, 2003 at 05:01 PM »

thanks for the info mr. big boy. di ko kasi napanood ang saksi episode na iyon eh. sad to hear it happened.

anyway, media organizations have the duty to present the truth thru the airing of all sides of an issue. anything less than that is the manipulation of the truth.

kung di nila makuha ang 1 side, they should try to use all their resources to get it because they are the vanguards of truth. this separates the men from the boys in news gathering. kung hindi talaga nila ma-gather, inform the viewers in a subjective way.

what i observed with our news & talk shows nowadays is that some of them air just one side of the story and then announce on national television that their show will be open as a venue for the defense of the other side. hindi na by accident ito kundi style na nila.

(in a way) this is dangerous because the chronological presentation of views can affect the perception of the people.

the timespan from the announcement of one side to the non-response of the other side equals damages. and they (abs & gma) know that damage can be done in just a span of seconds in air time.

instead of avoiding this, they are doing this.
for ratings.

we as viewers should stand guard against this subjective news reporting, kahit kung saang channel pa galing ang item o kung sino man ang nag-rereport.

let us be anti-subjective news reporting, period. not
anti-abs cbn (because of korina et. al.)
nor anti-gma (because of arnold et. al.).

peace.  ;D


 

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« Reply #262 on: Oct 14, 2003 at 09:16 PM »
Excalibur raised good points.

There really should be a paradigm shift in how we view news and public affairs shows. The moment you start thinking of these shows in terms of ratings and not as public service, you already compromise its integrity. That goes for both ABS-CBN, GMA and the rest of the networks. .


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« Reply #263 on: Oct 14, 2003 at 10:16 PM »
     That's idealistic wishful thinking but we are living in the real world Indie Boi.   Media especially broadcast has its responsibility that's true, after all having given the privilege of a franchise to operate they should not betray that trust.

     But having said that the truth is media are run by private companies these companies are not born to give charities they primarily exist to earn, so first and foremost in their agenda is to be profitable and not to give service. Companies should first think of being profitable, all those slogan about public service are merely marketing tools intended for the ultimate end of earning our money.  I myself would not invest in a company that says otherwise.

     That’s not a bad thing.  In media you sell service to TV audience and it makes good business sense to mold these services to the liking of your customers the viewers.  Now if viewers demands corny low quality and lousy programs then they deserve that kind of product.  If they demand good credible news then TV networks don’t have a choice but to give it yan ang market forces.

     All I’m saying is rating/profit is the ultimate goal, public service automatically fallows because it is their business afterall.  But public service is subjective, kung ang audience gusto yung kind or brand of service these networks give them then who are we the minority to dictate what the greater number should watch.  So tama in effect yung sabihin that these networks are providing the services the majority wants.  To a certain extent it is the audience that makes the program the networks give.  The audience has more power to make news credible more powerful than the owners of these networks themselves.

     Kaya if you hate media politics like what GMA did to Probe then don’t watch GMA news or write to forums like this it might reach them naman siguro.  And if market forces is strong enough I’m sure they will listen because they have no choice.

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« Reply #264 on: Oct 15, 2003 at 12:49 AM »
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my personal peeve is in the best comedy actor category. vic sotto won over michael v and ogie, but jon sntos or anyone from ispup wasn't even nominated.
to stay on topic, i used to believe gma was better because they had te best public affairs line up and evening news was just news. now, it seems they're outdoin each other in dumbing us down.

Ang nakakatawa dito is the Lucky Me and that vitamin OBB congratulating EDU as the winner of the best comedian category.
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« Reply #265 on: Oct 15, 2003 at 12:59 AM »
Who's the best?  Neither one of them. :)
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« Reply #266 on: Oct 15, 2003 at 09:54 AM »
  That's idealistic wishful thinking but we are living in the real world Indie Boi.   Media especially broadcast has its responsibility that's true, after all having given the privilege of a franchise to operate they should not betray that trust.

   But having said that the truth is media are run by private companies these companies are not born to give charities they primarily exist to earn, so first and foremost to their agenda is to be profitable and not to give service.  Companies should first think of being profitable, all those slogan about public service are merely marketing tools intended for the ultimate end of earning our money.  I myself would not invest in a company that says otherwise.

  ;D

you have a point there big boy. my question now is, are the owners & investors ONLY interested in profits or dividends? if this is the case, we all know where the ethics of that business lie when they need to decide what will be sacrificed (truth or profit?).  :'( just imagine paano kung ganito ang ethics ng mga drug companies.

  That’s not a bad thing.  In media you sell service to TV audience and it makes good business sense to mold these services to the liking of your customers the viewers.  Now if viewers demands corny low quality and lousy programs then they deserve that kind of product.  If they demand good credible news then TV networks don’t have a choice but to give it yan ang market forces.

   All I’m saying is rating/profit is the ultimate goal public service automatically fallows because it is their business afterall.  But public service is subjective kung ang audience gusto yung kind or brand of service these networks give them then who are we the minority to dictate what the greater audience should watch.  So tama in effect yung sabihin that these networks are providing the services the majority wants.  To a certain extent it is the audience that makes the program the networks give.  The audience has more power to make news credible more powerful than the owners of these networks themselves.
  ;D

you also have a good point there using the argument of the law of supply & demand.

one point lang, kung gusto ng audience eh x-rated in free tv, susundin nila?  ???

we also have to remember that mass media is about perception. perception = marketing. in marketing, you don't just find the demand, you CREATE it.  that's why mass media always create a demand thru good perception. and they always find themselves (the media) at the crossroads of telling the truth or creating a demand thru good perception for the goal of profit.

just an example, the shift in fashion is dictated by creating a demand. fashion affects lifestyle. lifestyle affects the society. but who is helps the fashion industry? the media of course. media can decide what is the next big thing. it is quite simple to deduce the extent of the power of media companies in affecting society as a whole. kung may magandang idea or product but they (media) refuse to expose it, saan pupulutin ang idea na ito?

  Kaya if you hate media politics like what GMA did to Probe then don’t watch GMA news or write to forums like this it might reach them naman siguro.  And if market forces is strong enough I’m sure they will listen because they have no choice.
  ;D

that's why i am urging the pinoydvd people to become anti-subjective news reporting, not just anti-gma. we may be the (intelligent, nax!) minority, but we still have our voices.  ;D

just a question mr. big boy, if abs cbn would find themselves in the same situation like in saksi and did exactly what gma did to probe, would you voice out your opinion here regarding your disgust against abs?  ;)

peace.  ;D

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« Reply #267 on: Oct 15, 2003 at 12:05 PM »
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That's idealistic wishful thinking but we are living in the real world Indie Boi.  Media especially broadcast has its responsibility that's true, after all having given the privilege of a franchise to operate they should not betray that trust.

  But having said that the truth is media are run by private companies these companies are not born to give charities they primarily exist to earn, so first and foremost to their agenda is to be profitable and not to give service.  Companies should first think of being profitable, all those slogan about public service are merely marketing tools intended for the ultimate end of earning our money.  I myself would not invest in a company that says otherwise.

 I didn’t know that there is no room for idealism in the real world. If that’s the case, then maybe everyone should just take all these corruption scandals with a jaded eye and not just care anymore. It is THE REAL WORLD after all.

Having said that, let me just point out that we’re talking about a 30-minute show here. Yes, networks are run by private companies that exist to earn. I agree with that, but to extend it to a 30-minute show? Are we now supposed to just accept the fact that even public service should be profit-driven?

Bantay Bata is an offshoot public service program of ABS-CBN – now I’m being told that even this benign organization has more insidious objectives? That they exist to make a profit out of the misery of abused children?

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That’s not a bad thing.  In media you sell service to TV audience and it makes good business sense to mold these services to the liking of your customers the viewers.  Now if viewers demands corny low quality and lousy programs then they deserve that kind of product.  If they demand good credible news then TV networks don’t have a choice but to give it yan ang market forces.


This is precisely the kind of reasons that promote the dumbing down of mass media and its audience. By arbitrarily saying that the masses will only accept “bakya” programs, you never really promote or encourage growth or maturity in how they view what they want. You seem to have mixed up the profit-oriented goals of a company to the public service responsibilities that a media network has been given because of their position.

The media is considered the fourth estate, the watchdog of society – if you’re saying that the Philippine media is and should be purely driven by just profits alone, then God help us all.


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Kaya if you hate media politics like what GMA did to Probe then don’t watch GMA news or write to forums like this it might reach them naman siguro.  And if market forces is strong enough I’m sure they will listen because they have no choice.

You kinda lost me here. Can you rephrase your sentences?  ;D

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« Reply #269 on: Oct 15, 2003 at 12:23 PM »
    these companies are not born to give charities they primarily exist to earn, so first and foremost to their agenda is to be profitable and not to give service.  


Maybe it's the other way around.  Profit is actually what is left over from the cost of the SERVICE paid for by your customer.  You must first SERVE your customer in order to receive compensation for your SERVICE, after which, what you spent is deducted from that compensation in order to arrive at a PROFIT.  Ok, fine, profit is necessary to keep running, but there are many businesses and organizations out there whose primary goal is to give SERVICE, believing that if you SERVE your customers well, the profits will automatically follow.

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In media you sell service to TV audience and it makes good business sense to mold these services to the liking of your customers the viewers.  Now if viewers demands corny low quality and lousy programs then they deserve that kind of product.  If they demand good credible news then TV networks don’t have a choice but to give it yan ang market forces.

I think we should think about who the true clients of a network are?  Do we pay ABS-CBN or GMA to bring us content?  We do not.  Who pays the networks?  It is advertisers who pay the networks.  We have to factor that in, because to me, the advertisers are THE primary client of the networks.  The job of the network is to DELIVER the audience to the advertisers, thus the whole ratings thing.  If the network does not deliver the audience, the advertiser will not patronize the network, and the network will not be profitable.   The audience is NOT the primary client of any network that needs to be profitable to survive.

Also, maybe we should agree on a definition of the term "public service."  Everyone has their own understanding of the term.  What then is public service (in the context of networks, their shows and their scope of operations)?