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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #120 on: Jan 08, 2010 at 05:23 PM »
Nothing will prevent a country to impose quotas on film importation if it really wants to, with or without the cultural exception principle in the GATT.  There's also the UNESCO Convention on the protection of cultural diversity any country can invoke for putting quotas.  I am just not convinced it will solve the ills of the local cinema.  Not in this age of internet video streaming and torrents.  It's really a myopic solution for weaklings to hide under the skirt of a protective mother because he can't slug it out with the bullies.  Unfortunately, it won't be a lasting solution unless the weakling rises above his weakness and learns to slug it out.  And I don't see that happening unless the weakling cinema starts to think global and start producing word class films.  That's the only way to fight the bullies in their own turf.  
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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #121 on: Jan 09, 2010 at 01:08 AM »
It's typical for us Filipinos to blame others for our deficiencies and faults.  "Our local cinema is dying", says us, "...and it's Hollywood's fault."

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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #122 on: Jan 10, 2010 at 11:55 AM »
Both India and China have a very large market base.

And is ours peanuts? We're in the top ten line of film producing countries, and our market is the largest in Southeast Asia.

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It's really a myopic solution for weaklings to hide under the skirt of a protective mother because he can't slug it out with the bullies.

You could argue it's a weak thing to hide under the skirt of a protective fiction like free markets, taking the Americans at their word that all they want is a level playing field.

Remember, under the Bush years America had eight years of free markets. Was there abuse? You bet. Would it have been corrected by market forces--what do you think? Free markets are supposed to be self-correcting--I didn't see much self-correction in those eight years.

Free markets had eight years--count them--to prove its case. Well it did--the world economy went to the toilet and millions of people were put out of work. We need a different paradigm.

Actually, I'd call a complete faith and utter faith in the free markets delusional to a monstrous extreme. Free market? Level playing field? Are you kidding me? America's local movie market is the most protective of all--they block book their theaters for Hollywood hits, and woe to the independent that doesn't have the backing of a major Hollywood studio. I can see it, in all the malls and multiplexes here. Not to mention the American audience is if anything less demanding and more ignorant of world cinema than Filipinos ever were. They're sheep, consuming product from an assembly line.

As Harry Tuttle of Screenville put it:

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What is scary is that the domestic American market is the most profitable in the world : more screens than in India or China! Yet they still make the most of their money abroad. And every year they complain about being on a slump... As if any country in the world could not have their cinema industry survive on a smaller budget than theirs!

The aggressive hegemony of the Hollywood culture overtakes the biggest revenue shares in almost every country, leaving peanuts for the local films to pay off their costs. It's not fair.

And these Hollywood blockbusters don't even deserve to take the largest share of the cake, in most cases, because they are not always better films (whether it is better for the entertainment factor for the widest crowd, or better aesthetically) than the local production.

In these conditions, it is perfectly justified to halt the "free market" (which is skewed by the economic pressures coming from Hollywood distributors who sell their products in bundles to saturate the market and turn local exhibitors into dependent addicts) with protectionist laws. The domestic American market is itself THE most protectionist among the "democratic world of industrial countries". Non-American films sell less than 5% of admissions to the American public!


I don't see my proposal as hiding under anyone's skirts, or laying the blame at other countries--there is a real enemy out there, and it has to be dealt with.

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Just because one is good, doesn't mean the other is bad.  

So a managed economy isn't bad? Then we agree. That's good.

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China is a socialist capitalist economy.  And it's interesting to note that despite all the crises and storms that beset a capitalist economy, the societies behind them have weathered and went on to new heights.
 

Yeah. Got the US employment figures a few days ago for December. Eighty five thousand jobs lost. New heights, all right.

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Whereas non-capitalist societies have withered and died, like the soviets who have promptly adopted a capitalist one, and you see it in Cuba.  Not to mention China which easily embraced it.

Europe? India? China is freewheeling, but don't think for a moment they're not managing the importation of goods, film in particular. And as pointed out above, don't even believe for a moment America isn't protective about its domestic film  market.

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Did that prevent them from creating world class products?
 

Talent comes out no matter what the political system. Iran, China, the old Soviet Union--all had world class filmmakers.

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You tell me.  When they start flocking to see films in local film fests.

And you think they don't? Why hasn't Cinemalaya and the Cinema One Originals closed down long ago? The organizers see an emerging market, they're developing it as best they can. Talk to Ron Arguelles, talk to Laurice Guillen.

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You overlooked one fundamental thing.  Japan's domestic market, even as early as the 19th century, is quite mature, sophisticated and demanding because of high literacy rate.
 

And you think we don't? We were under the American educational system till 1946, remember, and it persisted for years afterward. Japan had its first film screening a year after the Lumiere brothers projected their first film, in 1896; we projected our first film in 1897, produced our first feature in 1912, and had our first Filipino directed film by 1919. Our audiences have been supporting the industry until recently, when Hollywood started its expansion on foreign markets. But I've written about this before, here.  

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Any country with a mature domestic market with a large middle class demographics like the US, Japan, Korea and UK can easily compete on a Global scale.


Japan was a basket case coming out of the war. It was a basket case again during the Asian economic crisis, and it doesn't have the vigor it used to have right now. The UK has had it's ups and down; the USA too. When we were under American rule and some years after the war we were in very good shape economically.

Don't buy into the myth of foreign superiority. They've had their ups and downs, and so have we. Check your figures, and your own history.
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What I am saying is for third world countries like the Philippines, the only way to transcend their product mediocrity and compete globally is to think global.  They can't rely on the low standards of catering to an immature domestic market to match global standards, especially one with a very small middle class content.  

Who says we need a big middle class? The Filipino industry was living off its own market for decades, since before the war.

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Now you go back and read your economics and the roots of globalization.

Thing about economic theories, they can change. Globalization has a very sorry reputation at the moment. Check your recent news articles. Textbooks can go out of date.

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That's why you have hollywood leading the pack.  

Now Harry--who's American, by the way, and very knowledgeable about their film industry--tells you exactly why Hollywood leads the pack.
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Brocka? O'Hara, who never finished college? What's wrong with these people, I keep wondering?

More exceptions than the rule.

O'Hara, Brocka, Bernal, Bernal, Ad. Castillo, Jarlego, Posadas, Guillen, de Leon, de Leon, Reyes, delos Reyes, Silos, Conde, Nepumoceno, Diaz, Velasco, Ilarde, Henares, de la Cruz, Torres, Martin, Tahimik, Red, Romana, Ermitano? And that's just off the top of my head?

I'd say there are over a hundred exceptions., and more every year, thanks to Cinemalaya, Cinemanila, and Cinema One Originals That's a lot of exceptions.

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Not really. All those mega corporations are carefully being looked into and regarded with suspicion; more regulations are being put into place. China, that economic powerhouse, is looking inwards. The bloom is off, the boom is over.  Listen to NPR, read The New York Times.

Dream on.

Now that's an argument. ;D

Really, read them. That's reality knocking on your 'globalizing,' free market world.

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I have no problem with that.  The question really is whether what's good in you is good enough to make you what Korea and Japan is today, or even a Taiwan and Malaysia.
 

The myth of the superior foreigner.

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A global economy is quite ruthless and unforgiving.  

Now THIS we agree on. But believing in some fairy tale of an idealized free market where friendly countries let products go in and out through their borders with just a wave hello or goodbye isn't going to make that market any less ruthless, or more forgiving.
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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #123 on: Jan 10, 2010 at 12:39 PM »
It's typical for us Filipinos to blame others for our deficiencies and faults.  "Our local cinema is dying", says us, "...and it's Hollywood's fault."

It's not all Hollywood's fault. Our film producers need to step up, sure, and our indie producers need to sell harder. But they're fighting an uphill battle with the 800 pound gorilla in the room, and they need a more level playing field (as it is, the field's skewed towards Hollywood--not just here, all over the world). The government (and this is how a lot of Americans feel about their government too, nowadays) has a role to play here.

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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #124 on: Jan 10, 2010 at 03:46 PM »
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Not to mention the American audience is if anything less demanding and more ignorant of world cinema than Filipinos ever were. They're sheep, consuming product from an assembly line.

I have read somewhere that during the 1940's, 1950's, 60's even in the early 1970's, the Hollywood movies of Ford, Hawks, Wilder, Hitchcock, etc. were shown side by side with the works of Truffaut, Bergman, Fellini, Kurosawa, etc.

These days, with very few exceptions, foreign-language films never make a dent in the U.S. market outside of the art house circuit. Those with the potential to become breakout hits are usually bought by Hollywood and remade rather than just allowing them to have a wider release.
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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #125 on: Jan 10, 2010 at 04:03 PM »
I have a friend who saw Truffaut's films here in Manila back in the 70s, on commercial screening (art houses? What art houses?). Also King Hu, Liu Chia Liang, Chang Cheh.

Things have simplified since then. What happened? Hollywood did.
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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #126 on: Jan 10, 2010 at 06:33 PM »
Do you guys think that the increased availability of Hollywood movies for home viewing as marked by the dawning of the VCD era (and eventually DVDs), could have contributed to the decline of viewership of Filipino movies in theaters?

I ask this question because in the 70s and the 80s we were the world's largest film-going audience. It's a distinction that has even been cited in Guinness. I just noticed that the numbers started to dwindle in the mid 90s when VHS rentals became more accessible, and which continued with the influx of VCDs and DVDs.

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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #127 on: Jan 11, 2010 at 12:54 PM »
The market has dwindled, but there's enough of it to sustain a production rate of almost ninety films--more than Hong Kong.

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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #128 on: Jan 11, 2010 at 10:03 PM »
Do you guys think that the increased availability of Hollywood movies for home viewing as marked by the dawning of the VCD era (and eventually DVDs), could have contributed to the decline of viewership of Filipino movies in theaters?

I ask this question because in the 70s and the 80s we were the world's largest film-going audience. It's a distinction that has even been cited in Guinness. I just noticed that the numbers started to dwindle in the mid 90s when VHS rentals became more accessible, and which continued with the influx of VCDs and DVDs.

One of the factors probably....count also piracy and cable viewing. People are now tired of going to the movies, instead they just watch at home.

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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #129 on: Jan 11, 2010 at 11:12 PM »
the comfort and convenience of watching DVDs, VCDs and cable channels compared to the hassle of enduring the traffic going to a theater, not to mention hassle of looking for a space to park a car if you are using one to go there.. i say yes, these modern ways of enjoying movies affect the number of people going to theaters these days

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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #130 on: Jan 13, 2010 at 12:49 PM »
Not only that.. With the so many hollywood movies in our respective homes via the different media sources, medyo naging "BADUY" at walang kwento ang ating sariling pelikula. Kitang-kita kasi ang inferior quality ng ating mga gawa almost in all aspects. So if you really want to enjoy and be entertained, bakit ka pipili ng gawang Pilipino? But of course, maliban na lang kung ang inspirasyon mo sa movie watching mo ay yung pagka- Pilipino mo.  ;)
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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #131 on: Jan 14, 2010 at 02:45 PM »
Not only that.. With the so many hollywood movies in our respective homes via the different media sources, medyo naging "BADUY" at walang kwento ang ating sariling pelikula.

It's not that simple. Commercial movies--yeah, I agree. But have you seen, say Last Supper No. 3? Check it out if it gets released on video. Very accessible, and very true, released just this year.

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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #133 on: Jan 27, 2010 at 12:50 AM »
The number of Filipino films made each year; Jean Simmons, 1929 - 2010

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Nice site redesign...also nice article about the Cinemalaya and its inclusion of established directors.
BTW I liked Sherlock Holmes, at least this one is watchable compared to Guy Richie's more recent movie outings. Other of his that I like are Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels and Snatch.

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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #134 on: Jan 27, 2010 at 09:48 AM »
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