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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #30 on: Dec 24, 2009 at 05:06 PM »
About Avatar. I think the reason why no one is delving into Avatar's story, characterization, etc., is because most movie goers just want to be entertained. And most movie goers are not film critics. What they take away from a movie is personal and unique. My initial impressions are just as shallow, if not shallow-er. But hey, ask me to write something about it and give me two hours then I'll give you an effin' review full of references so obscure they're not even on the Internet (or Wikipedia), yet  ;D ;D ;D

Oh and I don't doubt that you can come up with a good review(two hours? hey, I take even longer than that hehehe) ;D

But is story really too difficult to parse in a narrative movie? And I respectfully disagree that story goes out the window in the name of entertainment. Is it that difficult to come away from Avatar with any opinion on the narrative - - -was it any good would make a sufficient starting point.

I still maintain that most people's faculties tend to fixate on(or would that be can't go beyond)  the special effects of a movie like this. Whether it's a mental limitation or just an odd habit is not for me to say.  It's like listening to the most beautiful music in the world and all you can say is that it brings out the best in their home theater system. The "unique and personal opinion" (which is what I personally try to look for in any experience and write down when I write more than any obscurantist anecdote or critical objectivity or whatnot) goes out the window because in the multiplex/CGI culture we live in, movies are just something to take the family/wife/girlfriend to on weekends and are for the most part approached wih all the empathy and intellect one approaches a rollercaster in a theme park. ;D
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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #31 on: Dec 24, 2009 at 05:08 PM »
Which is to say, to get back ontopic, that maybe Bong's little folly might not be such a bad idea.

At the very least, it might create  a restaurant boom. ;D

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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #32 on: Dec 24, 2009 at 05:12 PM »
Most of the more interesting and great Filipino films being shown today ARE the indies. But most of them are shown at most at one or two theaters (if they're shown at all) and in CineManila and Cinemalaya.

I find it mind-boggling that the MMFF has yet to accept any indie/digital films from any of our emerging auteurs. Puro Joel Lamangan na lang. I heard they have a rule that films to be considered for entry must be shot on film. Is that true?

There wasn't any doubt about that. Indie movies are kicking mainstream pinoy movie ass, yet they get minimal exposure, the condemnation of "moralistas" for god knows whatever reason's against whatever version bible they're thumping, and recognition only by international bodies and Chicago-Sun Times movie critics.

If we could have a revival of sorts of the work that de leon/avellana/brocka/o'hara/de leon/ bernal/celso ad/lav/raya/brillante/raymond red have already done -- a special re-screening of their brilliant works that is accessible to the public (and not at some hole in the wall holier-than-thou highbrow film snob pretentious "art" film festival) -- then have government and the private sector support it, then we wouldn't have all of these big studio hacks passing off a romantic teen drama/comedy as the pinnacle of modern Philippine cinema.


It's a mafia thing. These studios are big bullies. They should be covered by the ban,too.

Of course,there's also the overriding fact that most Filipinos won't be caught dead watching ANY Filipino film - - or indeed any film without special effects and lots of action in it (you don't usually hear the Avatar groupies crowing about ,say, Doubt or Julie and Julia. ;D).
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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #33 on: Dec 24, 2009 at 05:28 PM »
Oh and I don't doubt that you can come up with a good review(two hours? hey, I take even longer than that hehehe) ;D

But is story really too difficult to parse in a narrative movie? And if Cameron only wanted film critics to get the story then why did he bother writing an elaborate one when most of his movigoers just want to be entertained anyway and hence, dispense with appreciating the story? And I respectfully disagree that story goes out the window in the name of entertainment. Is it that difficult to come away from Avatar with any opinion on the narrative - - -was it any good would make a sufficient starting point.


Because there are some of us who appreciate story and there are some of us who appreciate entertainment and even some who appreciate both -- because a film is not just about story, it is a combination of the talents of the director of cinematography, effects supervisor, sound designer, editor, etc. Throwing any one element out the door is a dismissal of the talent and work that was poured into that aspect of the film as a whole. There is no black and white.

And it's not difficult "to come away from Avatar with any opinion on the narrative". Everyone has an opinion if you simply ask them instead of assuming that what they say initially encompasses all that they know of the film. It's just that others are more forthcoming with their discussions, unprompted.

A lot of the people posting here have already made comments about the quality of the film side-by-side with the 3D visual effects. Railing against those that only see the forest for the trees is a time-waster.

And yeah, an hour and a half, tops.

To get back on OT:

Bong Revilla's an idiot. In the digital age, more people will turn to piracy because of him. And who is he to tell me that I can't watch something at the same time as everyone else in the world? Capitalist stinker.

Nahahalata tuloy ang katamaran ng ating mga elected officials. Ang kaya lang nilang gawin ay ang mga solusyon na madali, pero nakakasagasa sa karapatan ng mamamayan. Kung may utak nga yang Bong Revilla na yan, dapat makinig muna sya sa panig ng mga mamimili para matuto sya ng lubusan  >:(


It's a mafia thing. These studios are big bullies. They should be covered by the ban,too.

Of course,there's also the overriding fact that most Filipinos won't be caught dead watching ANY Filipino film - - or indeed any film without special effects and lots of action in it (you don't usually hear the Avatar groupies crowing about ,say, Doubt or Julie and Julia. ;D).

There should be a law or group that monitors the local studios and malls with this kind of thing. Checks and balances!

And hey, I love to watch Pinoy films. It's the access that's the problem. Kung may access naman, quality nagiging problema because there are only a handful of good films in a given year. I wish i could have watched Kinatay or Foster Child or maybe films out of Cinemalaya that I don't have to travel across three cities just to see it.  >:(

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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #34 on: Dec 24, 2009 at 09:44 PM »
because a film is not just about story, it is a combination of the talents of the director of cinematography, effects supervisor, sound designer, editor, etc..

Facepalm.

So I ask: is it all "astounding visuals" or is there something else in there for me to waste three hours and my hard-earned cash on? Do the special effects serve the story and vice versa? How about the editing? The sound? All the other elements you mentioned that come together that isn't special effects? And I'm curious what the difference between "story" and "entertainment" is in an "entertainment narrative" such as Avatar? (It's been more than three hours already,minimum)

Qualifiers are well and good and they sort of put things into perspective but even you took several posts and a moderate amount of discourse for the assumed sweeping generalization that "Filipino movies are bad" ("Make Good Movies First")to be qualified as "Filipino indie movies are possibly good but hard to catch".  On  a message board like this(where time is elastic as to not be prone to being wasted) , or any situation that isn't a face to face conversation, first impressions tend to be taken at face value. And can you blame me if I conclude that all three hours of Avatar is nothing but empty SFX after several summations along the lines of "amazing/astounding/mindblowing visuals/effects/PQ.will watch again soon"?

(Oh and excuse me if I'm a bit suspicious about blanket condemnations of Filipino cinema from people who haven't seen much or go by the trailer or,worse,prefer GI Joe instead.I'm not saying you, but it does happen a lot.)

(And yeah, I've read some of the more elaborate reviews and yeah,they've been very helpful. I was just using the forest-for-the-trees crowd as an example of consumer behavior when it comes not just to Hollywood films Vs.Pinoy films but to dumbed-down Hollywood films (i.e.the blockbusters that spark pages of message board thread)  to not dumb films from anywhere . . .trying to keep on-topic and all)

Capitalist stinker. Yeah. You could say the same for the mall theaters who outright ban local films from screening so they can make room for Hollywood product.

At the risk of sounding like an apologist for Bong Revilla, which I'm not - - -may ilan-ilan ding mamamayan na hindi masa at gustong makapanood ng mas maraming pelikulang pilipino at may mga mamamayan din na hindi sumasamba sa simbahan ng Hollywood. Hollywood is a monopoly at the moment. That favors the whims of the Hollywood worshippers. But there's nothing fair or balanced in the programming of films these days. Particulary for that segment of society aforementioned.

But then again, who cares kung masagasaan natin ang karapatan ng mga mamamayang yan? Pinoy na mahilig sa pelikulang Pinoy? Pinoy na ayaw manood ng Hollywood na puro aksiyon at konting istorya  in 3D? Freaks.

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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #35 on: Dec 24, 2009 at 10:05 PM »
Facepalm.

So I ask: is it all "astounding visuals" or is there something else in there for me to waste three hours and my hard-earned cash on? Do the special effects serve the story and vice versa? How about the editing? The sound? All the other elements you mentioned that come together that isn't special effects? And I'm curious what the difference between "story" and "entertainment" is in an "entertainment narrative" such as Avatar? (It's been more than three hours already,minimum)




Just go watch the damn movie old man ;D if you haven't, that is. And for the record, G.I. Joe ROCKS. Oh wait... me stoopid...


Qualifiers are well and good and they sort of put things into perspective but even you took several posts and a moderate amount of discourse for the assumed sweeping generalization that "Filipino movies are bad" ("Make Good Movies First")to be qualified as "Filipino indie movies are possibly good but hard to catch".  On  a message board like this(where time is elastic as to not be prone to being wasted) , or any situation that isn't a face to face conversation, first impressions tend to be taken at face value. And can you blame me if I conclude that all three hours of Avatar is nothing but empty SFX after several summations along the lines of "amazing/astounding/mindblowing visuals/effects/PQ.will watch again soon"?

Life is out there, not in a message board. On another note, I'd rather criticize a movie rather than the audience who watches it.

And I noticed you highlight "Avatar" all the time. Writer ka, noh?

Merry Christmas, X44. Always a pleasure  :)

Back on topic:

Bong Revilla is an idiot.
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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #36 on: Dec 25, 2009 at 10:23 AM »
And I noticed you highlight "Avatar" all the time. Writer ka, noh?


Nah, just another average idiot lurking in  a message board full of it. ;D

Merry Christmas, X44. Always a pleasure  :)

And a Merry Christmas to you,too, sir. ;D


And oh yeah, Bong Revilla is a moron.
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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #37 on: Dec 25, 2009 at 11:10 AM »

He did say that it will face a lot of opposition and it's against GATT rules, so I'm not worried about this. He's probably just making noise to promote his mala-Lord of the Rings Panday.


Then again, why are the likes of James Cameron appealing to China to open its doors to more Hollywood releases???

We cannot expect to implement what other countries like China/South Korea/India are doing...even if they hold off Hollywood movies for a decade, they have a rich enough history to mine film ideas from.


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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #38 on: Dec 25, 2009 at 11:16 AM »
Then again, why are the likes of James Cameron appealing to China to open its doors to more Hollywood releases???

It must be on a country-to-country case. We probably have an agreement with the US regarding this. Or that China is a special case.


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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #39 on: Dec 25, 2009 at 01:29 PM »
It must be on a country-to-country case. We probably have an agreement with the US regarding this. Or that China is a special case.



Hm... I'm not aware of any agreement we have... I just always thought that as long as there is a local Hollywood studio distributor here that means whatever they produce we get to have. But I'm not really sure how these dealings go  :-\

Bong Revilla is an idiot.
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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #40 on: Dec 25, 2009 at 02:14 PM »
It must be on a country-to-country case. We probably have an agreement with the US regarding this. Or that China is a special case.



Fuck China...they've always been given preferential treatment because of the sheer size of their land, the 2 billion+ people, yada yada yada....

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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #41 on: Dec 25, 2009 at 02:22 PM »
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Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"

There are so many things that he could've said instead:

"Limit Star Cinema releases to only 1 a year."

"Limit Regal Films to only 1 a decade."

"Subsidize the restoration of our classics."

"Encourage independent filmmakers by offering grants to those who've received international recognition."

So much more...
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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #42 on: Dec 25, 2009 at 02:31 PM »
I find it really stupid that despite the fact that Kinatay won at Cannes, it STILL didn't receive a wide release. Well, you can view it on the PLDT webside (I haven't yet because my computer's being stupid) but still...

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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #43 on: Dec 25, 2009 at 02:41 PM »

We cannot expect to implement what other countries like China/South Korea/India are doing...even if they hold off Hollywood movies for a decade, they have a rich enough history to mine film ideas from.


Whoa--and we don't? That's the 'damaged culture' theory, where there is something intrinsically wrong with our culture, something inferior about our country that it always lags behind other countries.

I don't buy it. What's more, I don't think our indie filmmakers buy it either--Lav, Raya, John T., Brillante and the rest are putting out story after story after story, and not one of their product look or feel alike (I mean the work of one filmmaker looks and feels different from the other).

I think it's high time we tried putting the brakes on Hollywood encroachment. What are we going to miss--the next Potter movie? The last one was already a pain.

China's a special case, in that they said no. It's really that simple. So did India, and South Korea. Another half of the equation is that they have a vibrant film industry putting out good product.

We do, or at least we used to (in 1998 we made more films than Hong Kong). We do still put out good product--just needs to be marketed and distributed properly. The indie filmmakers haven't figured out how to do that yet. But limiting the importation of Hollywood films was an important part of that equation (in France if I remember right, the Hollywood studios are taxed and a portion of the taxes help pay for the production of French films. I like that idea too).

Just remember, the capitalist system caused the global meltdown. So what about a little socialism this time, hm?

On Avatar--nah, still working on my post. But anyone notice from interviews and so on how highly Cameron thinks of his writing abilities?
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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #44 on: Dec 25, 2009 at 03:28 PM »
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I think it's high time we tried putting the brakes on Hollywood encroachment. What are we going to miss--the next Potter movie? The last one was already a pain.

Speak for your damn self, I wouldn't like missing Deathly Hallows.

I do however like the idea of increasing the taxes of Hollywood movies to help fund and market QUALITY Filipino films. Not more Mano Po's. 

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« Reply #45 on: Dec 25, 2009 at 07:17 PM »
new breed of actors and actresses will also help... ;)

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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #46 on: Dec 25, 2009 at 07:54 PM »
I think it's high time we tried putting the brakes on Hollywood encroachment.

There are so many things that he could've said instead:

"Limit Star Cinema releases to only 1 a year."

"Limit Regal Films to only 1 a decade."

"Subsidize the restoration of our classics."

"Encourage independent filmmakers by offering grants to those who've received international recognition."

I agree. It's an incomplete vision - - - if you could call it that. Those four points are equally as important in fulfilling what Revilla seems to want to achieve.

Except, of course, that it ultimately isn't a cultural issue anymore but  one of commerce.

(The bigger cultural issue is a nation that condemns its own cinema without having experienced it or worse,  a nation that disowns its own culture  - - -and thereby disowning itself - - -and would  prefer embracing and adopting  another)

(It's a phenomenon that seems unique to the Philippines. HK and Japan seem to subsist on a balanced diet of foreign and local cinema. The Philippines doesn't. It only feeds on American films. I could be wrong but if it turns out that the regional cinemas of Davao and Cebu have a measure of support  - - if not pride,which is a given almost - - -from its locals then it's a phenomenon that's unique to the Tagalog region. Or Manila even - -the world capital of Hollywood)

There is a demand for these things (Hollywood movies), a demand that has exagerrated over the years of conditioning as a result of both the slow death of the local film industry and the slow monopolizing of Hollywood. And the vehemence with which the mere suggestion of truncating the influx of Hollywood product is met shows that whoever is benefiting from the monopoly of Hollywood movies in our theaters has the entire nation rooting for them to succeed.

Like someone - - -an American - - - once said somewhere:"We're here to take over the world. If not with missiles then with movies."

Least in this corner of the world, that has come to pass,for better or for worse.
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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #47 on: Dec 25, 2009 at 08:30 PM »
Tax Hollywood films heavily then subsidized the earnings for putting up a good film archive. Don't dictate the producers to limit their films to once a month.....more people will lose jobs!
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« Reply #48 on: Dec 25, 2009 at 09:48 PM »
I don't think anyone is blanketly condemning ALL Filipino films. It's just what Bong Revilla has said is to support NOT Philippine cinema but rather the Philippine movie industry. As in the mainstream studios Bong Revilla works for so they can churn out most of the same junk and make more money. Take note that his past couple of films are mostly just rip-off's of Hollywood movies. Masyado siyang trying hard to keep up sa Hollywood. It seems to me, his response to compete with Hollywood movies is to not work on offering Filipinos something different, maybe even something better in terms of story at least, but to try to emulate/imitate them...only in Tagalog and he gets to keep all the money.
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« Reply #49 on: Dec 25, 2009 at 10:06 PM »
I agree.

Bong Revilla's motives are self-serving and dubious and yes, it doesn't necessarily help Philippine cinema but the Philippine movie industry, which would be the major studios, which is every bit as bad as the worst of Hollywood. And I agree he's a hypocrite in the sense that he's really going for Hollywood aesthetics and Hollywood money in his "work".But ,whether he's aware of it or not, the model he upholds (Korea) is actually an ideal, if difficult, recourse.

I've personally experienced blanket condemnation of Filipino cinema both firsthand and and via snide offhand remarks along those lines through the years. It may be specific to current studio fare  - -which often deserves to be bashed - - -but I think what the attitude is towards our cinema classics and indies is even worse: indifference, if not a begrudging distaste. I think if one asks the average middle class moviegoer, chances are most of them would prefer Hollywood over the output of their own country - - classic,current,indie,whatever. Of course, if the current indie fare is given the runs it deserves, and if we do get some sort of local cinematheque/revival program going, who knows if the attitude might change.

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« Reply #50 on: Dec 25, 2009 at 10:27 PM »
Speak for your damn self, I wouldn't like missing Deathly Hallows.

I do however like the idea of increasing the taxes of Hollywood movies to help fund and market QUALITY Filipino films. Not more Mano Po's.  

The best damn advice I have heard in this entire discussion. But I've never watched a Harry Potter movie on the big screen yet. Technically, I did. But I fell asleep halfway through.
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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #51 on: Dec 25, 2009 at 11:57 PM »
I agree. It's an incomplete vision - - - if you could call it that. Those four points are equally as important in fulfilling what Revilla seems to want to achieve.

Except, of course, that it ultimately isn't a cultural issue anymore but  one of commerce.
...
(It's a phenomenon that seems unique to the Philippines. HK and Japan seem to subsist on a balanced diet of foreign and local cinema. The Philippines doesn't. It only feeds on American films. I could be wrong but if it turns out that the regional cinemas of Davao and Cebu have a measure of support  - - if not pride,which is a given almost - - -from its locals then it's a phenomenon that's unique to the Tagalog region. Or Manila even - -the world capital of Hollywood)
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Like someone - - -an American - - - once said somewhere:"We're here to take over the world. If not with missiles then with movies."

Least in this corner of the world, that has come to pass,for better or for worse.

Then again, Hong Kong has Jackie Chan along with excellent visionary helmers like Johnnie To (who should be lauded for resisting the siren call of Hollywood megabucks)

Japan will always have anime

Heck, see Thailand's action and horror films, and you'd dismiss our local product as inferior.

The problem here isn't the dominance of H'wood product (frankly speaking, I haven't seen the last Harry Potter film...and I don't have plans to catch up with it!!!!)...it's the creative constipation brought about by unreasonable censorship, high taxation and a star system that doesn't encourage risk-taking (how about an action film starring...ten-ten-tarrannn...Sam Milby as a NPA rebel???)

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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #52 on: Dec 26, 2009 at 01:43 AM »
The studios  are a pox on cinema. More so now than before.

But local product isn't just Star Cinema and Regal and Viva in the same way that Thai cinema isn't just Ong Bak 2.




Lav  Diaz, Brillante Mendoza, Raya Martin, Jeffrey Jeturian, John Torres, Raymond Red, Ditsi Carolino, Rey Gibraltar, Khavn de la Cruz, Rico Ilarde, Richard Somes, Aureus Solito, Ato Bautista, Mes De Guzman, Christopher Gozum, Jade Castro, etc etc. etc. etc. etc.

Also, a vast back catalog of classic cinema that deserves revival exhibitions, not to mention extensive restoration.

The rest of the world  - - -including some nutjob named Tarantino - - - seem to think highly of these.




Still. In the end, you can't make Pinoys love their own if they'd really much rather love something else.

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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #53 on: Dec 26, 2009 at 06:40 AM »
Hollywood doesn't necessarily mean bad. Like our industry it produces both good and bad movies.  Aside from that, let's not forget that most of our filmmakers (both mainstream and indie) have been influenced by it.
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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #54 on: Dec 26, 2009 at 02:23 PM »
Hollywood does its share of bad and good movies, true, but the difference is it's distributing those movies all over the world.

And it isn't all 'free market' and 'what people want,' not all the time. Hong Kong's decline as a film industry started when Hollywood started really flexing its muscles overseas, in the '90s. Hong Kong caved in to pressure to open its theater screens to Hollywood films and--whoops, all of a sudden it's all Hollywood. It took Johnnie To, working quietly behind the scenes and almost all by himself, years to give Hong Kong back some of its pride.

Japan was in a long decline, ever since the '60s. But live action films (as opposed to anime) hasn't really recovered, and the competition from Hollywood hasn't helped. Again there it's a matter of political will, not just economic forces.

France hasn't quite hit upon the formula to make its system work. It's very protectionist, but it hasn't captured the popular taste, the way India and South Korea has (China does okay, but there isn't the same sense of excitement).

It's what's going on out there--it's not just laziness of our industry people, or market forces, tho they do exert their own pull; Hollywood is making an overt and concerted effort to conquer foreign markets, and with the US economy backing it up, it's making real strides, not just in the Philippines, but all over the world.

And this economic downturn--well, lemme tell you; almost every industry is in the doghouse here in America EXCEPT the movie industry. And the screaming yowl of idocy from this manure factory just doesn't stop.

(read Deathly Hollows by the way, and not really impressed. Am more interested in the upcoming Narnia films to be directed by Michael Apted, hopefully).

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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #55 on: Dec 26, 2009 at 03:06 PM »
Banning Hollywood films may have worked for South Korea.  But Pinoys are not Koreans.  Banning anything in this country has the exact opposite effect.

Just do the films you want and let them be shown and reap awards in the film festivals around the world.  That's how Korean films started to make waves and getting noticed by a wider audience with films like My Sassy Girl, Shiri, Samaritan Girl, Oldboy, etc.   It's really amazing the Koreans would be the first to take recognition in Cannes and other film festivals before Pinoys who've had a much richer movie making history.  They've even made horror movies that Hollywood copied, like A Tale of Two Sisters.  And to think Pinoy horror tales are supposed to be one of the most freightening in the world.

 

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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #56 on: Dec 26, 2009 at 04:15 PM »
Just do the films you want and let them be shown and reap awards in the film festivals around the world.  That's how Korean films started to make waves and getting noticed by a wider audience with films like My Sassy Girl, Shiri, Samaritan Girl, Oldboy, etc.  

The conditions made it possible for these films to be made, make waves and get noticed by a wider audience. We don't have those conditions ,making it diffuclt to "just make the movies we want". That's putting it a little too simplistically.IMHO.

 

It's really amazing the Koreans would be the first to take recognition in Cannes and other film festivals before Pinoys who've had a much richer movie making history.  

Conde went to Cannes in 1952. Kidlat Tahimik was in Berlin in 1977, Brocka was in Cannes in the 80s. Raymond won a Palme D'Or in 2000. Brillante and Raya have been Cannes mainstays the last two,three years or so. Lav and Pepe Diokno recently won in Venice. There have been several major international retrospectives in the last few years, including a major Brocka retrospective just this year. There's more. We were there before the Koreans.

And yes, I agree, we have a much richer movie history. But does anybody really care abuout that enough these days?

We love to piss on our cinema and parade how bad it is compared to the cinema of other countries. And now we have to add Uruguay to the list of countries that better us. ???

And to think Pinoy horror tales are supposed to be one of the most freightening in the world.

Sigaw was adapted. Scorpio Nights,too. And hey they weren't copied, the filmmakers got paid.

Let's not understimate Pinoy films too much. Love your own,brother. Merry Christmas. :)

 


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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #57 on: Dec 26, 2009 at 05:06 PM »
Banning this or that isn't meant to work on Filipinos, it's what worked on Hollywood distributors. Incidentally it's not mere banning--I remember China and India operate on a strict quota system, South Korea was some kind of taxation and subsidies system, and so on and so forth.

It's not just us Filipinos--Hollywood distributors too. If they undermined Hong Kong cinema, if they undercut Japanese cinema, we need to address their actions too.

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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #58 on: Dec 26, 2009 at 05:33 PM »
The conditions made it possible for these films to be made, make waves and get noticed by a wider audience. We don't have those conditions ,making it diffuclt to "just make the movies we want". That's putting it a little too simplistically.IMHO.

 

Conde went to Cannes in 1952. Kidlat Tahimik was in Berlin in 1977, Brocka was in Cannes in the 80s. Raymond won a Palme D'Or in 2000. Brillante and Raya have been Cannes mainstays the last two,three years or so. Lav and Pepe Diokno recently won in Venice. There have been several major international retrospectives in the last few years, including a major Brocka retrospective just this year. There's more. We were there before the Koreans.

And yes, I agree, we have a much richer movie history. But does anybody really care abuout that enough these days?

We love to piss on our cinema and parade how bad it is compared to the cinema of other countries. And now we have to add Uruguay to the list of countries that better us. ???

Sigaw was adapted. Scorpio Nights,too. And hey they weren't copied, the filmmakers got paid.

Let's not understimate Pinoy films too much. Love your own,brother. Merry Christmas. :)





The nice thing about making films these days is the availability of digital technology in HD or even 2G res  that makes it easy and affordable to those who would like go into the movie industry or just engage in amateur film making.  Video editing and animation software are also very accessible.   A good short-film demo can be your ticket. The popularity of Youtube and other online video sharing sites have made it increasingly easy to get the entire world as your audience for your creativity.  And there have been stories of hollywood producers noticing great work on these sites.

Simplistic?  Maybe.  But all I'm saying is the barriers to making a film is not as steep as before.  If you have the talent and the drive, you can make it.   It won't be a Pixar-grade film ofcourse, but hey, cost is never a hindrance for resourcefulness borne out of compelling creativity. If getting sponsors for a film project is what's stopping you, then perhaps you're not resourceful enough.

The fact that Conde and other Pinoy directors already made waves in Cannes before makes it even more tragic and regrettable.  We already have a foot on the world stage and others beat us to it.  And no, what makes you think I'm underestimating pinoy films?  Until now I'm still on the lookout for Oro Plata Mata on DVD which I consider one of the best films of the 20th century.  

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Re: Bong Revilla: "Limit Hollywood movies to only 1 a month"
« Reply #59 on: Dec 26, 2009 at 06:10 PM »
Until now I'm still on the lookout for Oro Plata Mata on DVD which I consider one of the best films of the 20th century.  

I own it.  ;D

It's no longer available in Astroplus/Astrovision?