Topic: Unofficial HTPC users thread: Tips, Tricks, and everything HTPC

[Stagea]

palit video card master, or processor?

Either can resolve the issue. Changing to a modern processor would mean a new board too.

If you're buying this machine, might as well live with it until the thing fails. MPEG-4 and VC-1 are still the most popular distribution formats anyway.

[ninjababez®]

Either can resolve the issue. Changing to a modern processor would mean a new board too.

If you're buying this machine, might as well live with it until the thing fails. MPEG-4 and VC-1 are still the most popular distribution formats anyway.

master malaki ba performance difference nila nito?

Which has better upscaling,gt610 or hd6130 radeon (igp ng e350 ko)?
4k kasi tv pero hanggang 1080p lang yun gt610

ito naman yung specs plano ko kunin pansamantagal hehehe

Gigabyte GAP55A UD3R All Solid Capacitors (Gaming Motherboard)
Intel Processor Core i5 660 3.30Ghz.
6GB RAM DDR3
320GB Hardisk SATA
With Sound and LAN (Internet Ready)
Nvidia GTX 460 1GB 256Bit DDR5 PCIE Video Card
Brand New Case black with used PSU 500W black (True-Rated)

[Stagea]

master malaki ba performance difference nila nito?

Not much. The GT 610 supports the same video formats but can play higher resolution video (but run at the same output resolution.

If you're looking at video playback capability, you may be better served by a modern android box at this price point.

[ninjababez®]

Not much. The GT 610 supports the same video formats but can play higher resolution video (but run at the same output resolution.

If you're looking at video playback capability, you may be better served by a modern android box at this price point.

sa current setup kasi master, maski 1080p may lag pag vlc gamit ko player, kailangan classic gamitin para lang maplay ng matino
http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/E350M1/ with gt610

[Stagea]

sa current setup kasi master, maski 1080p may lag pag vlc gamit ko player, kailangan classic gamitin para lang maplay ng matino
http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/E350M1/ with gt610

Why are you using VLC anyway? VLC uses a software decoder that uses the GPU for hardware acceleration (via DXVA). This saturates the weak CPU in the system as it does most of the work. Use a software that can use a proper modern codec that supports your GPU's hardware video decoder.

[ninjababez®]

Why are you using VLC anyway? VLC uses a software decoder that uses the GPU for hardware acceleration (via DXVA). This saturates the weak CPU in the system as it does most of the work. Use a software that can use a proper modern codec that supports your GPU's hardware video decoder.

ano ma recommend mo master? 

[Stagea]

ano ma recommend mo master?

Anything recent. PowerDVD, Splash, Kodi, etc. can utilize the hardware decoder when configured to do so.

VLC for Windows is just outdated Windows XP era software, hence the lack of proper support for even not so new hardware.

[ninjababez®]

Anything recent. PowerDVD, Splash, Kodi, etc. can utilize the hardware decoder when configured to do so.

VLC for Windows is just outdated Windows XP era software, hence the lack of proper support for even not so new hardware.

thanks master
try ko muna bago "upgrade" hardware

[Arulco]

Parang maganda yung Intel UHD Graphics ng mga 8th generation Core CPUs (Coffee Lake/Kaby Lake-R) for HTPC applications, efficiency wise. Coming soon daw. May nag leak na price list sa PCHUB na.

[Stagea]

Parang maganda yung Intel UHD Graphics ng mga 8th generation Core CPUs (Coffee Lake/Kaby Lake-R) for HTPC applications, efficiency wise. Coming soon daw. May nag leak na price list sa PCHUB na.

I believe it still needs the LSPCON chip to support HDMI 2.0a, like Kaby Lake. The integrated graphics design is allegedly a carryover from Kaby Lake (rebranded). I'm sure overall performance would go up with the added computing cores, however.

[rulesmeister]

Btw, kahit naka 6gb total graphics memory na (onboard+gtx1050ti), may isang file format na magee-stutter pa rin ung video, itong .webm 4k file nasa 100% cpu utilization parati ung A8. All other file formats no issues including HEVC. If kodi on Windows 10, nasa 9-10% lang cpu utilization.

The thing is, flawless ang webm file if played on the minix u9 using kodi.

[Stagea]

Btw, kahit naka 6gb total graphics memory na (onboard+gtx1050ti), may isang file format na magee-stutter pa rin ung video, itong .webm 4k file nasa 100% cpu utilization parati ung A8. All other file formats no issues including HEVC. If kodi on Windows 10, nasa 9-10% lang cpu utilization.

The thing is, flawless ang webm file if played on the minix u9 using kodi.

You may have the same problem as ninjababez. The software you're using isn't using the GPU's hardware decoder. VP8 and VP9 hardware decoding is a recent addition to GPUs, so most applications do not have support for it. Look for a player that can use an external codec, and try having it use the LAV Filters. The latest filters and GPU drivers should help you offload that work.

VP8 is a Google codec (what is in that WebM container). Android has had support for it since Gingerbread, while its successor (VP9) has been supported since KitKat. Android enjoys more software maturity with this codec and has had ready support for hardware decode for a long time, though the hardware that performs this only became commonplace in the past few years.

[Stagea]

To add, graphics memory does not get pooled in use unless you're using split/scissor frame rendering. This is normally for 3D workloads via DirectX, OpenGL, Vulkan or Mantle. Asymmetric Crossfire took full advantage of this mode before it became mainstream, as it was easier to proportion work between GPUs this way.

Going back to topic, you're only able to consume the 4 GB graphics memory in your dedicated GPU for video. You can always choose to disable the APU's integrated GPU (if your BIOS allows you to), if you want to stop reserving memory for it (this will also prevent you from using it on HSA-optimized applications).

[Arulco]

+1 for LAV video decoder. I'm using the new D3D11 native decoder mode with my GTX 1080 and it works really well with the MadVR renderer using the Jinc upscaling algorithm.

On the topic of MadVR upscaling, I tried using NNEDI3 64 neurons but it keeps on crashing due to a bug between OpenCL in the drivers and Windows 10 Creators Update. The new NGU upscaling algorithm is even more demanding on the hardware to achieve the same quality so that's a no-go also. Jinc seems to offer the best balance of performance and quality for me.

I'm using the K-lite codec pack btw, since they seem to have continued the development of the MPC-HC player.

[Stagea]

^^^MadVR is indeed a great tool for those obsessed with image quality and have available processing muscle.

[GIJoe]

ano ma recommend mo master?

get the powerdvd bro

[ninjababez®]

Intel Core2 Quad Q9300  vs AMD E 350
with the right video card, ano mas OK sa playback?  thanks!
malaki ba difference?
yun amd naka 2gb ram lang yun q9300 naka 6gb ram

[Stagea]

Intel Core2 Quad Q9300  vs AMD E 350
with the right video card, ano mas OK sa playback?  thanks!
malaki ba difference?
yun amd naka 2gb ram lang yun q9300 naka 6gb ram

Q9300. The Q9300 competed with Phenoms, while the E350 competed with Atoms.

[ninjababez®]

Q9300. The Q9300 competed with Phenoms, while the E350 competed with Atoms.

for 1080p playback master, ok kaya ito?  https://tipidpc.com/viewitem.php?iid=41910488

Gigabyte Motherboard GA P35 DS3R Gaming Motherboard (All Solid Capacitors)
Intel Processor Q9300 Core2Quad 2.50Ghz. 6m 1333
6GB RAM DDR2
300GB Hardisk SATA
With Sound and LAN (Internet Ready)
Nvidia GTX 460 1GB 256Bit DDR5 PCIE Video Card

[Stagea]

for 1080p playback master, ok kaya ito?  https://tipidpc.com/viewitem.php?iid=41910488

Gigabyte Motherboard GA P35 DS3R Gaming Motherboard (All Solid Capacitors)
Intel Processor Q9300 Core2Quad 2.50Ghz. 6m 1333
6GB RAM DDR2
300GB Hardisk SATA
With Sound and LAN (Internet Ready)
Nvidia GTX 460 1GB 256Bit DDR5 PCIE Video Card

I think we've already discussed this. It'd depend on the format that you're playing.

[ninjababez®]

I think we've already discussed this. It'd depend on the format that you're playing.

yun isa yata master i3; nabenta na kasi nung owner

[Stagea]

yun isa yata master i3; nabenta na kasi nung owner

It's a little slower than the i5 that you previously posted, but aside from that it will support the same formats. It is a step back from your current GPU in format support, though it is a faster machine overall.

[ninjababez®]

^thanks master
hirap pala pag matagal kana di updated sa pc ^_^

[ninjababez®]

from http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/E350M1/ to http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/FM2A75M-ITX/
Processor AMD A8 7600K Kaveri Quad Core processor
ramdam na kaya difference in terms of 1080p playback?  ill leave the scaling sa tv nalang

[Stagea]

from http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/E350M1/ to http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/FM2A75M-ITX/
Processor AMD A8 7600K Kaveri Quad Core processor
ramdam na kaya difference in terms of 1080p playback?  ill leave the scaling sa tv nalang

Yup, quite a significant difference. Kung video playback lang habol mo and you plan to use Windows 10, also consider the G3930. You get more up to date format support for less money.

It offers hardware decode support of 10-bit HEVC and VP9; both are becoming more popular.

[ninjababez®]

Yup, quite a significant difference. Kung video playback lang habol mo and you plan to use Windows 10, also consider the G3930. You get more up to date format support for less money.

It offers hardware decode support of 10-bit HEVC and VP9; both are becoming more popular.

Yup, quite a significant difference. Kung video playback lang habol mo and you plan to use Windows 10, also consider the G3930. You get more up to date format support for less money.

It offers hardware decode support of 10-bit HEVC and VP9; both are becoming more popular.

malaki difference nung celeron bro vs the a8?
Mas mahal na kasi mobo eh lol
Plano ko sa gpu ako babawi in a couple of months

[Stagea]

malaki difference nung celeron bro vs the a8?
Mas mahal na kasi mobo eh lol
Plano ko sa gpu ako babawi in a couple of months

The CPU price difference will more than cover the difference in board price. Even H110-based boards support the G3930 if it was manufactured fairly recently (up to date BIOS).

I have already stated the difference, and that is support for the indicated formats. Whether that is "malaki" for you or not is really up to you. You don't need a dedicated GPU to support modern formats with the G3930 as it already decodes them in hardware.

[Stagea]

To check how well your system handles VP9, launch a recent version of Google Chrome and run a high resolution video.

Here's an example:
https://youtu.be/nRt4Duf7GoI

- Right click on the video and click Stats for Nerds. If the Codec says "vp9," then you are running vp9. If it is not, then disable plug-ins like h264ify.
- Change the quality to see how high you can go before you drop frames; the higher quality settings will need a fast internet connection (unless you're willing to wait and buffer).
- Open Task Manager and check the CPU utilization at each resolution -- a computer that decodes vp9 in hardware should not show a large rise in CPU utilization as the quality is ramped up

[ninjababez®]

^master may nag suggest na mag ganito nalang daw

https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/7th-gen-a8-9600-apu

[Stagea]

^master may nag suggest na mag ganito nalang daw

https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/7th-gen-a8-9600-apu

That takes you to an up-to-date socket, giving you a wide upgrade path. Actual performance wouldn't be much different from the A8-7600. Expect it to handle most bitrates of H.265 and VP9 upto FHD via software decoding. Common older formats can be handled in hardware.

If you're planning to get a dedicated GPU, might as well wait it out and get it together with a Ryzen 3 1200 or equivalent.