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Re: Separation of church and state
« Reply #300 on: Jun 21, 2012 at 07:23 AM »
Do you agree with Cebu's Bobit Avila?

Ban on religion is denying Filipino culture

Mind you, nobody knew about the Kabataan Partylist nor its representative Raymond Palatino and we really don’t know what his agenda is? Is it merely to stir controversy so that people would recognize him or his partylist or is this fellow truly an atheist? Whatever it is… this fellow should be censured for trying to destroy Filipino culture. We know too well that the youth is the hope of the Fatherland, but in destroying Filipino culture… this fellow wants to erase our rich religious and historical past.

From day one… one of the things that I never liked in the 1987 Constitution is the creation of the partylist system. This system was poorly thought of or ill-conceived and the various groups never really represented the marginalized sector which was the original purpose of the Partylist. This is why if there was a Constitutional Convention (concon) I would strongly propose that we abolish the partylist system… for it is a waste of taxpayer’s money. They also get their own pork barrels… and we don’t even know if the money these partylist members get can reach their groups.


http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=819468&publicationSubCategoryId=109

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Re: Separation of church and state
« Reply #301 on: Jun 21, 2012 at 05:07 PM »
Priests, youth slam 'anti-God bill'
ABS-CBNnews.com
Posted at 06/20/2012 10:35 PM | Updated as of 06/20/2012 10:35 PM

MANILA, Philippines - Priests and youths have raised a howl over a congressman's proposal to ban prayer services and religious symbols in government offices.


http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/06/20/12/priests-youth-slam-anti-god-bill



Should God be 'banned' in gov't offices?
By David Dizon, ABS-CBN News
Posted at 06/19/2012 9:17 PM | Updated as of 06/20/2012 12:06 AM

...“There should be no religious icons, symbols and ceremonies in government offices. We recognize that we have more than 1 religion in the Philippines. Those Filipinos who go to government offices are not there to affirm their spiritual beliefs but to transact with government,” he told Punto por Punto host Anthony Taberna.

Palatino, who is Catholic, said he has received many complaints from government employees who are “forced” to attend Mass or other religious activities by their superiors even during office hours.

He criticized some government offices who do not transact business during lunch break because they hear Mass.

“There are people who go to government offices during lunch break and they can’t transact because there’s a Mass. Ano yung ma-i-interpret nila? Ito ba ay official na ine-endorse ng government agency?” he said.


http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/-depth/06/19/12/should-god-be-banned-govt-offices

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Re: Separation of church and state
« Reply #302 on: Jun 22, 2012 at 09:17 PM »



The fastest-running chicken in the Philippines!  This guy should be given an award  :D :



Solon withdraws 'Ban God' bill, says sorry
By David Dizon, ABS-CBNnews.com
Posted at 06/22/2012 5:59 PM | Updated as of 06/22/2012 7:11 PM

MANILA, Philippines – Kabataan party-list led by Rep. Raymond Palatino withdrew Friday a controversial bill that seeks to ban prayer services and religious symbols in government offices.


http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/06/22/12/solon-withdraws-ban-god-bill-says-sorry

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Re: Separation of church and state
« Reply #303 on: Jun 22, 2012 at 09:58 PM »
There should be a ban at least of MANDATORY religious services in government offices. I've heard that some government offices REQUIRE their employees to attend mass. Our government is supposed to be SECULAR, it's not supposed to endorse ANY religion whatsoever. It's stupid.

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Re: Separation of church and state
« Reply #304 on: Jun 23, 2012 at 07:33 PM »
Mandatory religious services, of course.

OTOH, what if the government offices in Manila decided to replace their chapels, or give up some of their tight office space for mosques and Buddhist temples?

Then started displaying the Star of David and pictures of Siva, Rama or Ganesh along their halls and in their offices?

Do you think the CBCP and Catholic majority will mind? The protestant minority are already tolerating their blasphemous idols of saints and Mary.

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Re: Separation of church and state
« Reply #305 on: Jun 23, 2012 at 08:34 PM »
....or better yet, yun mga Satanista. What if their religion requires slaughtering of chickens every noontime?

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Re: Separation of church and state
« Reply #306 on: Jun 24, 2012 at 06:25 AM »
Lim: Tyranny

HOUSE Bill 6330 dubbed the Religious Freedom in Government Offices Act has stirred epic condemnation. The common thread of criticism for Kabataan Partylist Rep. Raymond Palatino’s bill which bans religious icons, symbols and ceremonies in government offices is that it curtails religious freedom.

But does it? It bans communal worship of any religion in the premises of a government office. It does NOT ban private worship of any religion by any individual even inside the confines of a government office. The prohibition is on public not private space.

Does Palatino truly misinterpret the Constitution that guarantees “the free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, without discrimination or preference?” Is it not discriminatory to non-Catholics when Catholic icons are displayed in government offices? Is it not preferential to the Catholic faith when Catholic rites are held inside government institutions?

Palatino critics say no one is being compelled to attend Catholic rites inside government offices. No office memo need be circulated. When the boss spearheads any event of any kind, all employees know it would bode better for them to participate.

It’s called moral suasion. It’s why we buy tickets to raise money for the boss’ pet projects. It’s why we buy direct-selling products the boss sells on the side. There is pressure, not necessarily force, to comply or to fall out of grace.

House Bill 6330 seeks to make the state religiously neutral in order to provide all citizens, regardless of faith, the same rights in terms of government. The bill does not seek to have individuals abandon their religion, only to separate matters of faith from matters of the state.

I understand this concept is completely alien to the majority of Filipinos. The Spanish friars, after all, ruled our nation, for 300 years. But you only have to read the books of our national hero, Dr. Jose Rizal, to see that the merger of church and state resulted in religious tyranny.

Palatino has been called crazy, his bill labeled nonsense but who’s really make sense here? Those who say that because the Philippines is 83 percent Catholic, the rest of the population should just shut up and bear with whatever the Catholic majority desires?

Are we saying that in a roomful of people, majority of whom agree to drink cyanide, the minority should just shut up and comply? This is a cult. Not a community. This is tyranny not democracy.

Reactions from both lay and ecclesiastical groups have been telling. Those who choose not to practice the predominant religion in this country are still persecuted for rejecting orthodoxy. That, I say, is curtailment of religious freedom.

Today, the Catholics are up in arms, saying that those who feel offended by Catholic rites and icons should simply shut up because they are the minority. I say beware of the tyranny of the majority. The Inquisition was a moment of great shame in history.


http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/opinion/2012/06/23/lim-tyranny-228385

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Re: Separation of church and state
« Reply #307 on: Sep 28, 2012 at 12:12 AM »
There is no true Seperation of Church and State as Cory's constitution had Bishop Teodoro Bacani of Novaliches in the comcon.

The country would greatly benefit from a true seperation but alas no official can do this as the constituents are not educated enough to make it stick.

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Re: Separation of church and state
« Reply #308 on: Feb 01, 2013 at 07:43 PM »
Separation of church and state part of this video on secularism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA3YF73SNuY

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Re: Separation of church and state
« Reply #309 on: Mar 21, 2013 at 10:35 AM »
isn't this a blatant violation of Separation of Church and State?

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Cops in Cebu to go after 'bikini open' events during Holy Week

Organizers of "bikini open" events this Holy Week in Cebu and other parts of Central Visayas may face arrest, the Philippine National Police regional office warned Thursday.

Regional deputy for operations Senior Superintendent Orlando Ualat said they have teams to look out for such events, radio dzBB's Cebu affiliate Orchids Lapincao reported.

Ualat was quoted in the report as saying additional police personnel will be deployed to the teams, which have instructions to close down such events and arrest the organizers.

In the region, Cebu had been particularly wary of "bikini opens" during Holy Week following a controversial event in 2009.

At the time, then Governor Gwendolyn Garcia filed charges against sexy actresses involved in the bikini show on Bantayan Island in Cebu.

In 2010, one of the starlets involved, Jennifer Lee, apologized to Garcia at the provincial capitol.

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/300263/news/regions/cops-in-cebu-to-go-after-bikini-open-events-during-holy-week

bakit walang nagpo-portesta regarding this?
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Re: Separation of church and state
« Reply #310 on: Dec 25, 2013 at 02:44 PM »
Something worth learning and sharing. It's about a recent development in Utah.

"What irks Mormons, evangelicals, and any religious group seeking to force their dogmata and beliefs on the people is that despite their machinations, the bible is not, and never will be, the Constitution and America’s justice system is not about to let it be."

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/12/24/religious-conservatives-thrown-frenzied-panic-court-impose-biblical-law.html