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Re: NBA 2011
« Reply #240 on: Jul 09, 2010 at 04:26 PM »
Maybe what Garnett said about LBJ's free agency affected his decision.

"Loyalty is something that hurts you at times because you can't get youth back. I can honestly say that if I can go back and do my situation over, knowing what I know now with this organization, I'd of done it a little sooner.



But not in the way LeBron did it. The Cavs were waiting. He could have said so earlier so they can go after other quality players. He could have kept it quiet.

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Re: NBA 2011
« Reply #241 on: Jul 09, 2010 at 04:32 PM »
i think the issue here isn't just plain loyalty. if lebron wanted to win or cement his legacy, he should have chosen new jersey. he will have brook lopez and devin harris, he can play in brooklyn in 2 years and he can make it his team.

what made this "decision" awful was that -
1. he took the easy way out - partnering with Bosh and Wade in Wade's team. Heat is Wade and Wade is Heat. Wade delivered a ring in 2006. Should James win a title in Miami, Wade will also win another ring.
2. he isn't the go-to-guy anymore. what can James do that Wade can't? they're virtually exchangeable skills-wise. yeah James is a better passer, but seriously, it's not like it's a major difference.
3. he left Cleveland in a TV show for god's sake! that's a terrible insult to Cleveland fans.

i figure if James quietly chose to sign with New Jersey, or even New York or Chicago, he won't have the same backlash as this. he wouldn't have sold his soul to the devil to win. By choosing Miami w/ Wade and Bosh AND doing it in National TV, James... well, he gave up his legacy.

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Re: NBA 2011
« Reply #242 on: Jul 09, 2010 at 04:41 PM »
It seems that Lebron really needed a father figure and he has seen that with Pat Riley. Maybe if Cleveland was able to get Jerry West as GM before Lebron made his DECISION, he wouldn't have left. Unfortunately, Pat isn't a real father figure but a ruthless taskmaster.
Kobe is lucky to have Phil Jackson and he knows it.

I think the major problem with Lebron is his entourage of yes men. They have led him to make perhaps his worse decision. But it does remind me of how Shaq left Orlando to join the Lakers.

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Re: NBA 2011
« Reply #243 on: Jul 09, 2010 at 05:05 PM »
Those 3 average close to 30 pts per game. Who's gonna give way to who? At least 1 of them will lose market value after the contracts expire. I wonder who'll that be.

That will probably be Wade. I didn't realize till I read somewhere that even though they all came in the league together, Wade is already 28. Nag college pa kasi siya (I knew this but didn't connect it to his age). So 6 years from now, di na siya max player.

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Re: NBA 2011
« Reply #244 on: Jul 09, 2010 at 05:08 PM »
The Lakers are still the team to beat, until the Heat completes their roster. The Heat is like a 3-headed monster, without arms, legs and teeth (yet). So wait and see pa din what other pieces are going to be added. But I think the roster spots will be filled-in with minimum salary players and vets looking to hook-up with a chance for a championship. Or they can go over the tax to sign quality players. But at this point, I think the Lakers, Magic & Celtics are still ahead.

You can't go over the tax when you sign free agents. You can go over the tax when you sign your own player or when you trade (cheaper player for a more expensive player). But the heat don't have anyone to trade so no go on those 2 scenarios. They can't go over the tax to fill their roster this year.

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Re: NBA 2011
« Reply #245 on: Jul 09, 2010 at 05:21 PM »
You can't go over the tax when you sign free agents. You can go over the tax when you sign your own player or when you trade (cheaper player for a more expensive player). But the heat don't have anyone to trade so no go on those 2 scenarios. They can't go over the tax to fill their roster this year.

I see...thanks for the clarification. The NBA salary cap structure is quite complicated.  ???

In this case, the Heat should have asked for a better package when they traded Beasley. Otherwise they maybe be hard-pressed to get players willing to take the minimum salary.

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Re: NBA 2011
« Reply #246 on: Jul 09, 2010 at 05:29 PM »
Well, Stephen Smith who made the fearless forecast about Miami being the destination of Lebron, Wade and Bosh has a new prediction: Lakers and Heat finals; Phil Jackson versus Pat Riley.
I think its kinda predictable at this point but I'm not even sure that Miami can get past Boston the way they played during the post season this year. Also, the Thunder figures to be a thorn on the Lakers 3 peat hopes as they are the only good team from the Western Conference that didn't lose any important players.
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Re: NBA 2011
« Reply #247 on: Jul 09, 2010 at 05:49 PM »
The arguments against this Heat team, regardless of how it rounds out, being a contender right off the bat is complete nonsense.

These words actually came out of Jon Barry's mouth during the hourlong James special announcing his decision: ``It depends on the people they're going to get around them.''

Huh?

So, the Lakers didn't win because Kobe Bryant is the most versatile scorer in the game or because Pau Gasol is the most skilled big man, but because of everybody else's abilities?

That's like saying special teams win championships in football. A field goal can win a game, but a team doesn't build around a kicker.

When it comes to the Lakers' latest championship team, Ron Artest was just a kicker (and not a very good one). Shooters, defenders, specialists -- those guys are a dime a dozen.



Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/07/09/1722430/basketball-reality-will-be-better.html#ixzz0tBBRVDds


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Re: NBA 2011
« Reply #248 on: Jul 09, 2010 at 06:31 PM »

@truewinner_KG tweets ... "Lebron woke up this morning as a young jordan n is goin to sleep tonight as scottie pippen #changeup"

i disagree.
It should be "Wade woke up this morning as a young Kobe n is goin to sleep tonight as a Derek Fisher."
Unless the Heat gets a good PG, I see Dwayne doing the job. Lebron is the MVP and Wade will oftentimes take the backseat. It's the ultimate sacrifice. Miami is now officially Lebron's Team.
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Re: NBA 2011
« Reply #249 on: Jul 09, 2010 at 06:53 PM »
one injury to any of the three and this mini dream team will turn out to be a nightmare.  Boston's big three that resulted in a ring back in 08 was very different in the sense that the team already had a core to begin with prior to the signing of Garnet and Allen but Miami is like rebuilding right now albeit with 3 superstars plus a bunch of players who are yet to be named and signed......way to early to predict that they will reach the finals let alone get past Orlando (core intact for 4 years) and Boston (core intact for 3 years).

This same scenario happened back in 04 I think when the Lakers loaded up with Malone and Payton to bolster the Shaq and Kobe tandem....they got to the finals that year alright but they were soundly beaten by a team who have been together for quite awhile already in Detroit. 

Maybe the King will finally get his ring after Kobe gets his 7th or 8th.
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Re: NBA 2011
« Reply #250 on: Jul 09, 2010 at 07:37 PM »
Well, Stephen Smith who made the fearless forecast about Miami being the destination of Lebron, Wade and Bosh has a new prediction: Lakers and Heat finals; Phil Jackson versus Pat Riley.
I think its kinda predictable at this point but I'm not even sure that Miami can get past Boston the way they played during the post season this year. Also, the Thunder figures to be a thorn on the Lakers 3 peat hopes as they are the only good team from the Western Conference that didn't lose any important players.

Add Chicago as another Heat-buster come playoff time.  I like their starting 4 (esp. the Boozer-Noah frontline) - they just need a good SG and a couple of role players off the bench.  Orlando maybe, kaso Vince Carter is still there.

Sa West, have to agree that Oklahoma is quietly assembling and maturing into a pretty dangerous squad...  Durant can be the NBA's next poster boy.  Dallas should also be competitive.  Tahimik din ang San Antonio - but they usually come up with solid moves during the off-season.

BTW, looks like Miami is getting Mike Miller.  I suppose he has to come off the bench to relieve LBJ and/or Wade.

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Re: NBA 2011
« Reply #251 on: Jul 09, 2010 at 09:35 PM »
i disagree.
It should be "Wade woke up this morning as a young Kobe n is goin to sleep tonight as a Derek Fisher."
Unless the Heat gets a good PG, I see Dwayne doing the job. Lebron is the MVP and Wade will oftentimes take the backseat. It's the ultimate sacrifice. Miami is now officially Lebron's Team.

To each his own...Miami will always be Wade's team...

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Re: NBA 2011
« Reply #252 on: Jul 09, 2010 at 09:38 PM »
Funny, I never realized that Lebron refers to himself in the 3rd person. He did that when he was told that people were burning his jersey.

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Re: NBA 2011
« Reply #253 on: Jul 09, 2010 at 09:49 PM »


BTW, looks like Miami is getting Mike Miller.  I suppose he has to come off the bench to relieve LBJ and/or Wade.



Riley is really that good.

If he can add Brad Miller to their roster, then they'll have 5 players who were at one time played for the USA Basketball Team.

How about Coach K, maybe Riley can convince him to leave Duke, too?
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Re: NBA 2011
« Reply #254 on: Jul 09, 2010 at 10:10 PM »
Maybe the King will finally get his ring after Kobe gets his 7th or 8th.

... and Lebron will probably be playing with Kobe by that time.

To each his own...Miami will always be Wade's team...

i agree... to each his own.
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Re: NBA 2011
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Re: NBA 2011
« Reply #256 on: Jul 10, 2010 at 12:32 AM »
Lebron just ruined his reputation and legacy. I agree, he can no longer be like Kobe or Jordan. Should he win a championship, it will always be because of Wade and Bosh and not soley because of him.

Jordan needed Pippen to win the championship but all the credit went to Jordan. Same goes for Kobe. He needed his team mates to win but Lakers will be remembered as Kobe's team.

James should have stayed with the Cavs and the Ring, should they be able to get one, will be sweeter

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Re: NBA 2011
« Reply #257 on: Jul 10, 2010 at 12:46 AM »

I don't think Lebron is thinking the legacy or a hero thing anymore...
all he wants now is the ring....   

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Re: NBA 2011
« Reply #258 on: Jul 10, 2010 at 01:05 AM »
I don't think Lebron is thinking the legacy or a hero thing anymore...
all he wants now is the ring....   
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Re: NBA 2011
« Reply #259 on: Jul 10, 2010 at 01:09 AM »
lebron will never ever be a kobe or a jordan and im talking about being a skilled basketball player here. jordan and kobe have always been known for their great offensive skills but oenthing that they both have that lebron doesnt is DEFENSE. All his basketball life, lebron juts wanted to score and shoot something that does not make me consider any player good at all, anyone from the NAB has the capacity to be a scorer given the chance but what makes some of them the best at their prime is the over all skills they have

Wade, Bosh  and Lebron in Miami gives you a barrage of scoring machine but not one of a defensive gem, whats the point of them scoring if they can not even avoid the other players from scoring.

i would say the big 3 EGOS would fit IMO, they can not be at par with Garnett, Allen and Pierce as these 3 plays good defense together, compliment each other well together and this has been evident even when they were not playing together before.

MIAMI in the NBA championship? im not an expert but i dont think so not even an eastern conference finals would happen. i like the chances of chicago better, boozer, rose and noah, now that too me is a big 3 even bigger than wade bosh and lebron
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Re: NBA 2011
« Reply #260 on: Jul 10, 2010 at 01:10 AM »
I don't think Lebron is thinking the legacy or a hero thing anymore...
all he wants now is the ring....   

if he wanted the ring, he should have gotten a smaller pay and joined boston, or lakers
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Re: NBA 2011
« Reply #261 on: Jul 10, 2010 at 01:14 AM »
I think people get too drunk with the notion that a superstar has to prove himself a winner by being "the man" of his team and leading them to a championship that they forget what basketball really is: team sport. No matter how badly James look now, if he wins a championship with the Heat, it's because of him being part of a team. You have to be mature enough to accept that one man can't do it alone. MJ had Pippen, Pippen, Grant, Paxson, Rodman, Harper, Kukoc, Longley, Cartwright. Kobe had Shaq, Harper, Horry, Fisher, Pau, Bynum, Artest etc. The list goes on.

What people are up in arms about is the way Letraitor, I mean, Lebron, went about with the jumping ship. He turned it into a circus and really spat on the face of Cleveland with how callous his decision making process went about. Oh well, we can't blame stars who want an easy way to a possible ring. Maikli lang kasi window of opportunity nila to play competitively and on a competitive team.

Sports Illustrated's Michael Rosenberg got it spot on with this article:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/michael_rosenberg/07/08/lebron.event/index.html?eref=sihp

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GREENWICH, Conn., July 8, 1990 -- Michael Jordan announced on national television he's leaving Chicago to join the Detroit Pistons. Jordan said it was tough to bolt Chicago, where he was the most popular athlete in many years, because he thinks he has a better chance to win a championship if he plays with Pistons star Isiah Thomas. Jordan said by playing together, he and Thomas "won't have the pressure of going out and scoring 30 every night."

That would have sounded absurd, right? Well, it is no more absurd than what LeBron James is doing. Jordan was 27 years old in 1990, slightly older than James is now. He had never been to the NBA Finals. He had been beaten up by the Celtics and Pistons for years. He doubted his supporting cast was good enough.

But he never doubted himself.

And it became very clear Thursday night that LeBron James does doubt himself. James will be a champion in Miami -- if not next year, then sometime after that. If you put James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh together and give Pat Riley five years to find the complementary pieces, that team will win a championship.

But James does not have the heart of a champion. He does not have the competitive fire of Jordan, the bull-headed determination of Kobe Bryant, the quiet self-confidence of Tim Duncan, the willful defiance of Isiah or the winning-is-everything hunger of Magic Johnson.

He is an extremely gifted player who wants the easy way out.

And how do we know this?

James said so himself.

Oh, not in so many words. But once ESPN was done ESPN-izing its LeBron coverage -- filling it with babbling experts, needless hype and Jim Gray submitting his top six entries in the Stupidest Question Ever contest -- the self-proclaimed King said everything you need to know about him.

1. "You have to do what's best for you, and what's going to make you happy."

This is what's going to make him happy? Sharing a stage with two other stars? Really?

I guess that's all LeBron is: A complementary player with superstar talent. We should have figured this out before: He got that giant CHOSEN 1 tattoo on his back and calls himself King James because he is desperate for reassurance.

There is no greater challenge in sports getting drafted by a godawful team, planting your flag in a city and working like crazy until you have turned that team into a champion.

LeBron James didn't want the challenge. He wanted to play with his buddies.

2. "We don't have the pressure of going out and scoring 30 every night or shooting a high percentage."

Whoa. Hold on there. Scoring 30 a night is too much pressure for one of the five most talented players ever?

Find me another all-time NBA great who would utter those words. Jordan would rather do an adidas commercial than say that. Bryant must have laughed as he heard the so-called "King" say that. Larry Bird? The next time he complains about pressure will be the first. Magic was the greatest team player of the last 40 years, but he was also so competitive that he wanted to play Jordan one-on-one in a promotional event -- and this was when Magic had won titles and Jordan had not, so Magic had more to lose.

3. "I know how loyal I am."

The man just dumped his hometown(s) on national television. Cleveland (and, by extension, Akron) happens to be the most tortured sports city in America. To do that, then say "I know how loyal I am" ... wow, wow, wow.

I wish I could sit in on one of LeBron's meetings with his advisers. Does he make them all wear mirrored sunglasses, so that when he looks at them he sees himself?

We really don't ask that much of our sports stars. Try not to get arrested for anything big. Don't curse at the fans. You know, small stuff. We even understand that 95 percent of the time, they will make career decisions based on money -- we might not love it, but we understand it.

But see, the biggest thing that we ask of our sports stars is this: Take the competition as seriously as we do.

When LeBron James loses to Boston in the playoffs, we want him to take the heat, not take the Heat's offer. We want him to spend the summer adding to his game, calling and texting his teammates, plotting to do better next season.

Instead, well ...

4. "It's about joining forces with the other two guys."

He sounds like a nine-year-old playing Star Wars games with his buddies at a sleepover. And again: I do believe this Miami team will win a title. But it won't be as easy as he wants it to be. Miami will have the weakest bench of any contender next season After that, the NBA will have a lockout, and the league could eliminate the mid-level exception, which would be Miami's best tool for adding talent.

So this is a cop-out, but it's not as easy of a cop-out as it appears. And that brings us to ...

5. "This is the greatest challenge for me."

LeBron James just jumped into an elevator and wants us to think he can fly. Sorry, but we know better. We know that he did something Michael, Magic, Bird and Bill Russell never would have done. We know he ditched Cleveland for an All-Star team.

But you know what? In Miami, anything short of a title will be a failure. Nobody outside of Miami will root for this team, and nobody in Miami roots for anybody. They're too busy enjoying the weather.

I thought he would stay in Cleveland, because I thought all he cared about was adoration. I was wrong about Cleveland, but he is wrong about adoration. He thinks he'll get it by winning a title. He has insulated himself from the world, surrounded himself with yes men. He has no idea how much backlash he is about to get.

That's one of the great ironies of this -- James is trying to flee pressure, but he will just face more of it. He is trying to maximize his "brand," but he just damaged it.

The first time I watched LeBron James live, I thought he could be the greatest player ever. The sad truth for us, for him, and for the NBA is that he never really believed it himself.

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Re: NBA 2011
« Reply #262 on: Jul 10, 2010 at 02:54 AM »
great article sir battou.. just as how i feel about this lebron thing
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Re: NBA 2011
« Reply #263 on: Jul 10, 2010 at 05:13 AM »
if he wanted the ring, he should have gotten a smaller pay and joined boston, or lakers

much better kung yun ang ginawa nya.. kaso kahit papaano may pride pa rin yung mama... wanted the ring and of course my big moolah pa rin.

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Re: NBA 2011
« Reply #264 on: Jul 10, 2010 at 06:47 AM »
Marvs, agree w/ you...pag olats, puro drama lang ito hehehe! :D :D :D :D :D

Seems Eric will eventually be booted out, Riley will be back as coach, like what happened to Van Gundy :D

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Re: NBA 2011
« Reply #265 on: Jul 10, 2010 at 07:21 AM »
Korver is following Boozer to Chicago. Fills the Bulls' need for a shooter, but they still need help in the backcourt.

Mike Miller is not a Miami Heat.. yet.
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Re: NBA 2011
« Reply #266 on: Jul 10, 2010 at 07:23 AM »
If MJ, Kobe, Magic and Bird were the John McClane...Maximus....John Rambo.....Rocky of the modern NBA......

Lebron James is now......Vincent Chase.  ;D

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Re: NBA 2011
« Reply #267 on: Jul 10, 2010 at 07:59 AM »
when lebron got beat by the celtics in the east semifinals, we expect him to take the heat... not take the heat's offer WTF he..he

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Re: NBA 2011
« Reply #268 on: Jul 10, 2010 at 08:07 AM »
lebron will never ever be a kobe or a jordan and im talking about being a skilled basketball player here. jordan and kobe have always been known for their great offensive skills but oenthing that they both have that lebron doesnt is DEFENSE. All his basketball life, lebron juts wanted to score and shoot something that does not make me consider any player good at all, anyone from the NAB has the capacity to be a scorer given the chance but what makes some of them the best at their prime is the over all skills they have

Wade, Bosh  and Lebron in Miami gives you a barrage of scoring machine but not one of a defensive gem, whats the point of them scoring if they can not even avoid the other players from scoring.

i would say the big 3 EGOS would fit IMO, they can not be at par with Garnett, Allen and Pierce as these 3 plays good defense together, compliment each other well together and this has been evident even when they were not playing together before.

I agree that James does not play defense as good as Jordan or Kobe. And he can never be compared seriously to either of them anymore with this move. But to be fair, he does play defense. Specially if he wants to. All three of them can as they showed when they were on the US team.

And Allen (and to a lesser extent Pierce) did not play defense before he (they) met Mr. Thibodeau.


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MIAMI in the NBA championship? im not an expert but i dont think so not even an eastern conference finals would happen. i like the chances of chicago better, boozer, rose and noah, now that too me is a big 3 even bigger than wade bosh and lebron

I agree that they're short 4-5 more decent role players to be a champion team. They'll get it unless the new CBA prevents them from getting those players. But I have to disagree that Boozer, Rose and Noah are better than Lebron, Wade and Bosh. That's quite a stretch for me already. :)
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Re: NBA 2011
« Reply #269 on: Jul 10, 2010 at 08:20 AM »
Miami may not get the talent it wants to fill out the roster.

Current CBA expires the end of next season....that means free agents now are looking for lucrative deals covered by current CBA.....and now with all money going to the big 3, it will be a stretch that MIami big 3 will have the support the Celtics Big 3 of 2008 enjoyed.

Remaining free agents are looking to land  with teams that have lots of salary cap space...and that means LA Clippers...New York...New Jersey...and Cleveland.   It might be enticing to play with Miami Trio...but they have to get their good deals first.

That is unless you're a veteran in search for the ring......TMac.....AI???   Oh my bring them on......!!!!  ;D ;D

Case in point...

Korver to Bulls...
Felton to New York....